Btw chief, your justification above is acceptable. Personally think LRT is a huge win for SW. In fact with the LRT on I no longer felt SW is too overpriced. Its still expensive mind you, but defo not overprice anymore. Btw, landed in Puchong are defo on the up. They makes Damansara DS looks like a bragain now 

WALAUEH, AIYOYO, we reunited...finally...

U want to try the Q & A?

I feel like falling in love again, adinda

Im not alone with these thoughts, u can see various forumers with decent credibility share the same sentiment. We r not talking about ppl who just registered lately, and only made comments on SW thread(no effence to u or Xui Cheng). These r genuine investors and have made decent $$$$ in years of property investment. Looking at sales levels achieved by Zest, Zen and Atmosfera compared to SW, one has to wonder. Its already difficult to sell SW now(at least from the sales performance), imagine u asking ppl to buy your unit at 20%-30% premium later.........
And yes, saw your comments on Zest dev and I think those are fair thoughts especially on what happened to Heron, korean enbloc etc. My thoughts are :

1. Heron is 1st project for TT, definitely there's some learnings TT needs to accept. But SW is SPS's 1st highrise project in KV, there's no guarantee that SW wont turn up to be as bad or worst than Heron, right? SHC builds excellent landed props, but lousy high rise, for example. SW holds no guarantees as well.
it is not the quality i m worried .. it is the developer ignorance to tackle the issue ... 

2. Korean en-bloc - I've warned that potential buyers need to take news like this like pinch of salt. The same for LRT station proposal. If it happens its a bonus. Now at least the LRT and ramp seems will happen as promised, and at RM200psf Zest now looks like a steal 
It is cheap because it is compared against sw etc .. bt tht provided developer can deliver at least 80% .. if like heron, do u still think it is a steal ?

3. SPS promises and sells lifestyle to buyers like your good self. But did they put in in a contract? And pls look at the surrounding new shop lots and retail units surrounding SW site. Most of it is empty. There's no guarantee that SW wont end up the same. SPS has zero track record as far as building lifestyle mall is concerned but trying to sell "lifestyle" units at a premium, above 50% VS other new developments.
Bottomline, all developers r there to make $$$ first. One needs to decide whether what the developer sells you is worth paying for(minus ALL the promises of lifestyle, LRT, Korean enbloc etc), else you'll pay thru your rear-bottom instead.
They dun put in contract ..  this i shud say FAITH .. do u have faith in ur developer ?  and by merely comparing other shoplots with sw is not fair .. u know sw is unique with the waterway and entertainment centre .. and most importantly, sps is vested in sw .. just like ioi mall n pfcc and boulevard, they lease out to ensure good tenant mix .. a good strategy to upgrade the place .. yea i agree "one needs to decide whether what the developer sells u is worth paying for" but dun minus all promises la .. in fact, i m amazed sps didnt sell the lrt point .. now i dun have minus but plus ..   

as a conclusion i think the word "developer" is the answer to most queries .. i m amazed with how sps handle the issue ... n now i can say i have faith in them .. selling fast just dun give me the faith ..

3. When those Heron's owners were crying all the defects, he claimed that these people were funny, he claimed thatit was a 100++ aprtment and what can they expect?
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Adinda Zavier,
I am sorry for putting up all the entry level questions. I thought it is for the benefit of Pai, so that he could understand bit by bit. Pai failed me...

I do hope for a better one.

I give up already, if you read how Pai commented on the complain of Heron's owners, u will know why i said he is seriously lacking of common sense, as all the cracks and popping floor appears to be funny for Him.

And he asked Heronian what can they expect with a100++ aprtment? Surely a men with common sense will not accept popping floor even in a DBKL flat...

Thanks

I tot' they already engage a consultant to see how to best tackle the problem with the existing owners DESPITE they r not obligated to do so as they DLP is over?
if u r comfortable with the way the developer deal with it, then it is alrite for u .. 

Well, honestly dont think we'll get HERON's quality as we paid almost double price psf vis a vis. But if Zest does end up like HERON, then its a learning for me.......thats all. 
Pai ar Pai ... how can u say like that .. if like this, i pay sw 30% more expensive, then the quality shud be better than zest lor ..  Well, honestly, do u know what u r paying ...

Let me remind everyone here while Zest is TT's 2nd high rise project, SW is the first highrise project for SP in KV. SP has zero track record as far as mix development is concerned. There no guarantee that SW will be problem free and the quality will be better than Heron's or Zest's. 
again i m not refering to quality ... but the developer way of doing .. but nvm since u got no prob with it .. 


Any savvy investor will have little or zero faith in developer's promises. We buy when we see value, not based on developer's sweet-talk and nice marketing strategy. Again, SPS has zero track record in building and managing a mix development.
Read thru the Zest thread as there have been many occasions myslef and other foumers warned prospects to only buy Zest if they think its a good buy even without LRT, ramp, Korean-enbloc etc. In this thread, only Cannot Tahan has so far been quite honest with his assesment on SW. 
u dun find me rational anymore ?  now maybe u would think noone rational/honest cos Cannot Tahan said he will buy another one wor ..  Any savvy investor will choose a good developer ..


IMO, cannot sell dont give me faith at all.....
u think sw cannot sell ? ok .. so why ? is it because it is overprice ? fine .. u think zest sell fast rite .. it is good of cos .. now think again .. why zest selling fast ?

Thanks Kenny for xplaining this to our Xui Cheng. She conveniently "forgotten" the date I put my suggestion in her cheap allegations. I suspect her english comprehension is on the low side coz she has problem understanding questions and answering them.

Btw, think SW was priced at close to 60% premium over Zest if we count psf. Zest staring price in its 1st phase was at RM200psf +- while SW cheapest unit was already above RM300psf

1. Correction - U r paying a least 50% more, right?. Pls compare the spec between what u'll get in SW VS what Zest offers, then tell us if its any better.

Pai Oh Pai, i tot u are pioneer but y ur thinking so amateur .. what have u compared ? tiles, facilities, show units ? arent all this based on the faith of developer to deliver what as promised in show unit or in model (fr zest case) ... what written in the s&p doesnt mean u get a better spec .. u think having porcelain tiles meaning more expensive than ceramic ? i hope u dun .. i aint from construction but i have common sense .. u think comparing house spec is similar like u compare computer spec .. haha .. facilities, there are plenty of condos with great facilities .. the question is maintainability .. mind u tht heron buyers were also thinking they r getting a high class condo with great facilities when they first bought it .. of cos u can say what they expect with 100++k apartment .. so is ur 200k apartment, dude ..

2. Cannot Tahan appears to be a long time investor with some experience in investing in Puchong. So I trust that he will have a game-plan, holding power and experience to ensure that he doesnt loose any $$$ later.

Im didnt say u r irrational, but do u have a gameplan, holding power and experience to sustain your unit if what SW did not turn out wonderfully as what the brochures sells you? Do you know what is the rental and seeling prices for condo's nearby?

hmm .. looks like i dun knw anything but u know everything .. fine then ... just to remind u .. investment is about risk as well .. u think zest risk is more justified than sw ? what happen if sw didnt turn out tht way .. how much do u think ppl will pay for it then ... how much will i lose ... now ur part .. what if zest is like heron ... 

Hi Zavier,

Look at Pai the Funny again...He make us laugh.

Wow, words like "retard" also comes out already...sounds like those back street men talking, hahaha, in the US movie...

Pointing out 2 mistakes of him made him MAD, dun know if we point out another 1 or 2, how will he react, be ready to here more aggressive words from him...HEHEHE

He is in a state of denial caused by anger & self esteem.
He still dosent know that he is far behind us, WHY, coz he is always the last person to know:-
1.He has to wait until sep to finally see the market sentiment is good...funny and lousy;
2. He is not aware of the crack...(in his word)...funny and inefficient.

Let's move on Zavier, or this link will become the avenue for AH PAI to clear his name, with deceitful means...HAHAHA

Seeing AH PAI covering 1 blunder with another blunder is definitely amusing...

Thanks AH PAI

You are, definetely.

Do u mind to say....WE are

eugene,

Most probably will take a unit there....won't put much hope that it will fully covers the loan installment....80% for a start would be fine with me.
And I wont be rushing just bcoz of the 1st 50 entitled for 2.5% rebate as I know for very sure NO DEVELOPER will be so strict on this so long they can conclude a sale.
I have encountered a few development previously that the SA called me few days later even the offer meant for ONE DAY only (as claimed) telling me they can convince their boss to extend the offer to me if I really interested in buying.

Regards....

hi zavier,

Even if they did extend to buyers no. 101 to no. 130, only theses 30 buyers will know.
buyer no 1 to 100 won't know. And public wont know as well.

and when it come to numbers....even you are between no. 101 to no. 130, the developer might still tell you that you are within the 1st 100 with reason maybe some earlier units are contra/cancel etc...

All these are marketing strategies....

Regards

So I've read the thread but still could not see what makes you so sure that :

SW will be the land mark of puchong.
If Puchong slump, SW also slump.
If PFCC, IOI Belev, SW commercial blocks all work out, SW will be the 1st one to be benefited.

I did see some actually canceled their purchase on SW some more ( even the TS itself  ) and most ppl think the pricing is rather ridiculous.

Lets see if you can actually point it out or you'll continue doing what u do best, which is beating around the bushes 

Can see that many sour lemon comments at that thread. Certain people are just throwing bad comments on certain projects as themselves are missing the chance to be on a ride...that's life. SW still have few things for catchup before SW to categories it as a succesful one but the potential is there to achieve. I didn't owned one there but I wish too.

An important thing that SPS must take precautions, timing is very important for those shops, shops open together and one by one make lots of different, the most classic case is Berjaya Times Square, failed to make sparkling during the beginning was mainly due to lack of coordination & synchronization of all the shops (openings)..
My 2 bakuli

Someone shown me the LED thing before ... its nice to have but i dont get it tho how it will make SW a landmark leh.  in fact in front of summit oso have, at the cross junction there.

dont shoot me tho Zavier tai ko .. i'm rooting for SW one

SW retail owners shouldnt be too greedy now...........its OK to bite lower rentals in the 1st 3 years then watch SW mall fly to be the next Sunway P or OneU.................... patience can be gold so long as greed is contained...........

haih.............some ppl just dont get it ......... when have I ever said the retail component of SW wont make it? 

As for residentials in SW...........how far it will go will be highly dependant on the retail component in SW............at least until LRT arrives............. a good indicator will be Tropics in PJ..........if u know what I mean.......... 

I agree with Pai. The main reason why most of you guys argue that way is because most of you already have vested interest and hence adopt the defensive mentality despite the obvious truth (not just refering to SW). Kinda like if someone critize yr child, no matter how bad you think he/she is, you will also defend... We on the other hand view this with an objective mind because we neither hate nor love SW.

Can see that many sour lemon comments at that thread. Certain people are just throwing bad comments on certain projects as themselves are missing the chance to be on a ride...that's life. SW still have few things for catchup before SW to categories it as a succesful one but the potential is there to achieve. I didn't owned one there but I wish too.

boss , whats Trigon take up rate today lah? Last I heard around 20% only..........

anyway just to share my experience in Tropics last time..........prior to GSC moving into Tropicana Mall...........there was a good 20% units in Tropics unsold at about 400psf.............................

but the moment GSC moves in.............all units were gone within 4 months.........with last few units were going for a cool 500psf.......... 

Great that u finally admitted. 

Don't care about future value of SW....... So no opinions on SW........just like to clarify......unlike u ........I don't regret not investing in SW......... 

cheers