Its not about that. Majority of people buy these new chips 5600x 5800x 5900x as well as 10600 10700 10850 10900K for gaming.

Very very few people maybe 1 percent of buyers do testing like how bonchi tristan cstkl1 do. Maybe another 30 percent do their own benchmarks and if no crash thank God already.

The market should cater the majority of users who want to buy something plug and play and game worry-free.
Yes, intel is mature. Ryzen also 3rd gen already cannot be immature la. Consider mature finale version bec they moving to next architecture.

Then u have seisohai youtubers who are paid reviewers giving sohai benchmarks, fanboy or biased comments which lean majority of users to buy zen3 without telling the bad,the skewed tests. And majority 5900x users also run it at stock. Bec is still general population not bonchis and tristanxes.

What is so exciting for non Bonchis and non TristanXes about to run benchmarks every other day weekly to check 'stability' and wait for bioses thats never ending after spending so much?

All core 4.5ghz or single core boost?
single core/first 2/3 core always at 4.95ghz for my 5900X. and the voltage at 1.45 which is quite high iinm? (under stock settings)

in my 4770k, i undervolt abit in Bios, for Ryzen, use PBO to play around to undervolt it instead of messing directly with the CPU voltage?

This post has been edited by sai86: Feb 28 2021, 11:43 AM

I actually dont enjoy tweaking that much since im kinda retired from OC already (mac user lol). I did all the testing is precisely because im getting bsod and a bunch of problems such as pcie bottleneck etc at stock settings . Worst is im also getting below average performance like boost not hitting advertised speed and few % behin reported performance results from youtubers. so no choice need to run all these benchmark to troubleshoot lol like how i did in the old days.

You see my intel rig, pop in the cpu.. plus my mobo already default enabled max power in the bios. everything set cantik cantik at stock already that’s why you dont hear much about my intel experience anymore cuz it works and ive been more productive doing proper stuff instead of stability testing.. only butt itchy pushed my cheap SGD120 32gb ram kit to 3866c18 passed 8passes memtest86 which bsod even at 3200c16 on ryzen... So it also proved that my ram is not faulty.

But cannot say AMD is bad la... the cpu is good but the AGESA is the crap. Also thanks to amd’s competition I can get a rather highend z490i board +10400F under RM1.7k lmao.

This post has been edited by Bonchi: Feb 28 2021, 01:57 PM

It's the overall user experience that counts. There's no point in selling a cutting edge CPU but riddled with system stability issues.
Then there's questionable CPU silicon that bsod depending on ur luck. And now with prices above their original MSRP, it's definitely not worth it to buy into zen 3 platform.
Can't imagine that a consumer having paid top dollars for a cpu and still have to tinker for it to work stably. That's rubbish. Any new system should works ok at stock settings, bios defaults.
Any reviewers mentioned the new Ryzen CPU that gives the most issue or failed the most ?
No. Whatsoever. Silent. No follow-up reviews. Cos that honor belongs to Amd flagship 5950x.

I actually tweak the shit out of my 10900k, and i definitely enjoy seeing small real life gains and STABILITY from it (I mainly game with 1080p high refresh)

The 5900x however..... is just too much of a hassle to the point where i am just wasting my time trying to fine tune pbo limits (ended up just selecting motherboard as it resulted better all core clocks but with high voltage, no F given on degradation since ill be swapping it out in less than a year) and CO. Anything i touch on the PBO limit at the slightest will lead to my games crashing after some time.

16 core running more than 4.4ghz.. kinda weird though. Any 5950X user here to share the exp. I wonder if my first 3 days running at full speed impact the CPU running at so high speed always.

But will continue to push all core to max tomorrow for my new simulation for 48 hours non stop.

Try checking "Minimum processor state" in Advance Power Settings if it is set at 100%.
I also remember some same issue and turn out some program for the motherboard's RGB that caused the CPU to not idle.

Sorry boss. How to check on min cpu state.

I bought MSI X570 Unify hence zero RGB. As heard value for money for it cool board.

I got my 5950x at MSRP at RM3699

I assume cuz you bought bundle... buying the cpu alone is technically impossible . Dont need say 5950x, even old ryzen like 3600 also need to bundle... That’s how im able to sell my used ryzen 3600 in less than a day at the price i bought it

At the taskbar, type "power option" and choose the green battery icon, label should be "edit power plan"
Then click "Change Advanced Power Settings", another window will open. Expand "Processor Power Management" and expand "Minimum Processor State"

Could be other program too, I just roughly remember from others discussion previously so not very sure which program.

Simulation? Monte carlo?
Not sure if Libreoffice OpenCL can accelerate it.

CPU idling eh......

......I just discovered running Qbittorrent......around 100+ connections results in "boosts" state on both 5950x and 3950x.
The software or hardware cpu scheduler too aggressive.

Boosting to 4.6 - 4.9 Ghz just for Qbittorrent running? Tried other torrent clients = same.
My ancient I5-3570K and I3-4330 never turbo boost like this. These oldies just stay at 1600mhz and 800mhz idle when running torrent client.

Not really an AMD issue.

That's a bug that people been complaining about for over half a year.

You can check your disk utilization too, if a torrent file is only DLing at kb speeds, your disk utilization is still at or near 99% most of the time. If you're not DLing but only ULing, the same issue can happen sporadically as well. Doesn't matter if the file is on a SSD or HDD, exhibits the same issue.

No... it's memang AMD's behavior. Modern intel doesnt boost so aggressive as well, infact it's alot more optimized.

This has been my major complain on AMD for a really, really long time as these "boost" causes very high idle temps like 40-50C during a hot day... and also higher power consumption due to high voltage. Somehow it will kept at 4ghz all core at 1.4V as long as there's songs playing lmao... Messing with the minimum state drops it to 3.6ghz but causes crashes zzzzzz. I can only suspect it is very bad programming on the AGESA.

.....It is on RAM drive?

Oh well, I just set the power plan to Power Saver whenever I start torrenting.


-.- just observed both of my CPU boost to 4.6Ghz and stay at that frequency when using Foobar playing FLAC audio only.

This post has been edited by JohnLai: Feb 28 2021, 09:21 PM

Now you know why I've been constantly complaining about high idle temps on AMD cuz im also playing flac audio on foobar ... but this has been around since launch of zen2 and AMD said this is the expected behavior... so turns out it "wasnt an issue" and you just have to deal with it because this is the snappy AMD experience.

dropping the minimum proc state may cause BSOD especially when the chipset mistakenly drop the core voltage to 0.3V but the cpu wanted to boost up. To be honest, I have given up trying to optimize this area and just let the CPU boost. Since my gentle typhoons are pretty silent, I just crank it up to 1600RPM to keep it under 50C even just listening to music.... which eventually as you know, after combination of other issues, I threw the towel and changed to intel

JohnLai So I decided to test how low I can go on the vSOC, and it looks like I've settled on 0.95v for now (n hwinfo/zentimings. Bios at 0.96).

Strangely passed 10000% karhu last night with my rams at 16-19-18-39 1.39v, will test tm5 and hci today, and prolly some occt blends to check for WHEAs.

Its only a 1w soc power improvement, but hey I dont have anything else to do lol.

Oh and I dont torrent using this rig nor do I use foobar, so I dont experience the issues that you do...

Edit: ok everything looks good, I'll use this profile as daily driver and observe further for any hiccups



This post has been edited by x800: Mar 1 2021, 05:24 PM

Control Panel > Power Options > AMD Ryzen Balanced > Change plan settings > Changed advanced power settings > Processor power management > Minimum processor state > Set to 5% > Apply > OK > Save Changes

https://www.notebookcheck.net/Rocket-Lake-S...d.524543.0.html

Seems like rocket lake s will have premium pricing at every core count compared to zen 3. Add in intel’s typical mobo premium and you’ve got a pricey system with likely high (hot) TDP.

Our prices will steer people away from Zen 3 though. Intel prices directly linked to US prices.