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timeonce
post Feb 17 2021, 03:59 PM

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Hi guys. This is my first time posting here. As im building my rig. And Im too hasty... i found myself a 5800x and 5900x.

Before i put it to my motherboard. Which one will you guys think i should keep.

I just do normal gaming only and going to use this desktop for working purposes more.
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post Feb 18 2021, 09:35 AM

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QUOTE(xxboxx @ Feb 17 2021, 10:18 PM)
5900X for sure. You bought both CPU?
How much for it?
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Got it for RM2800 kinda mark up abit for 5900x.

I got 5800x as thought no hope for my 5900x for RM2400.. sigh...

Now I'm unsure what should i do with it. If i sell my 5800 open box u think got ppl buy ?? As 5900x is mint in box. 5800x is install to my desktop.

I got MSI unify as my mother board as saw review one of best budget motherboard.
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post Feb 18 2021, 01:22 PM

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Yeah.. do u think should i switch to 5900x now and sell my 5800x or to keep 5800x and sell 5900x. Actually i am not eyeying on profit Just that now i have 2 CPU.. TT. slap face at me for going to greedy and fast for my full cpu built as my old rig got overheated and all component deep fried during cny as i overclock too much and hot weather. So gg.
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post Feb 18 2021, 01:27 PM

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QUOTE(yimingwuzere @ Feb 18 2021, 08:13 AM)
From a gaming perspective performance gain from the 12 cores vs 8 is marginal.

What programs do you use for "working purposes"?
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Microsoft excel on Monte Carlo simulation . VBA with file exceeding 10 million lines with powerbi for visualization. File size for one excel is 1gb and i run multiple at same time. Means huge data crunching for analysis of database.

Then Cyber punk at Ultra level at free time with Assasin Creed Valhalla
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post Feb 18 2021, 01:28 PM

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QUOTE(SSJBen @ Feb 18 2021, 01:23 PM)
Already told you, keep the 5900x.
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Do you think got ppl buy 2nd hand 5800x at Rm2k . Dont mind selling it at loss but then i buy it as set. Not so sure how the buyer claim in future.

But downside is i did liquid metal already. TT

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post Feb 18 2021, 06:04 PM

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QUOTE(Bonchi @ Feb 18 2021, 02:03 PM)
Excel tends to not able to utilize multi threaded workloads that well and even if you have so much power at your disposal.. also better to use ECC ram as if im not mistaken, Ryzen supports it.
But generally, also expect crashing midway with such big datasets (altho 1GB is still considered small) regardless of how many cores or rams.... for this kind of workloads usually xeons are used for reliability.
So for you, just sell whichever you can scalp for the highest margin/profit which is the 5800X at the moment.
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Thank bro. Will look into it. As mention. I dont want be a scalper. As my rig got fried that why i built new rig. And i know its pity for those enthusiast like us wanted to get a rig. That why consider selling it at 2k.

And yeah.. i try find alot of article how to make my excel dont crash but can't find any. Sadly. But i know with more ram , its better. i got 2 set of 32 gb of 16 x 2 corsair vengeance rgb pro 3600. 64gb kinda killing but works well with my rig now.

Wanted to built intel as its cheaper but then I anti Intel nowdays haha.. too much monopoly and wanted give team red a win here.

My initial plan was to get Asus X13 flow but after weeks of pesturing asus malaysia they mention not bringing it in. The Ram is damn fast and got egpu of 3080. But sad part is hdd is only small m2 of 1tb only.


QUOTE(yimingwuzere @ Feb 18 2021, 03:07 PM)
Monte Carlo sim is one of the better multithreaded examples with Excel. But cyberpunk/ACV doesn't get more juice out from the second CCD. So for whether the 5900X is worthwhile - depends entirely on how well his Excel workloads already use his 5800X.

ECC is why Linus Torvalds is a huge fan of Threadripper and ditched his Intel HEDT setup, because to him unofficial support is better than nothing. There's a rant of his about ECC last month in LKML last month IIRC.

I've seen scalpers trying to sell 5800X for 2.3k before.
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Gg.. i should buy ECC ram instead of gaming ram.. Will check whether my MSI unify X570 can support or not. I know it support up ot 5000 mhz speed in ram overclocking. Low profile motherboard. Seem not much people buy this though.
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post Feb 18 2021, 06:53 PM

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QUOTE(Bonchi @ Feb 18 2021, 06:11 PM)
ram has been a problem for this kind of data analytic tasks for me and it became one of the reasons I switched to intel just 3 days ago. But I wont vouch that intel consumer will be 100% crash free with excel, maybe slightly better but ultimately ECC and Xeon is still a better choice for such task. (that's why there are some professional thinkpads and thinkcentre that comes with xeons)

But yeah, belum cuba belum tau. It's always fun to try new tech anyways...and given AMD's pricing now, it wont be a problem selling when it's not suitable. laugh.gif
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Thanks bonchi for sharing. Noted. Will get xeon and ecc ram in future. Or will amd 5800x or 5900x do as well as I think I saw my motherboard support ecc ram as well or to built a threatrepper rig.

Gg. Desktop is so customizable..
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post Feb 28 2021, 07:57 AM

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Hi all,

Sorry for asking a noob question. I realise my AMD5950x is always running at 4.5ghz. Is it good that it is always running so high clock as i see it not running at base clock. As my temp is 68 degree and kinda worry about it.


How do i make it slower for daily usage and to boost clock when I use extensive task. As worry CPU gg.

But nontherless. AMD is damn good. I run it at 100% performance for 72 hours straight and zero issue with it during my simulation task.


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post Feb 28 2021, 05:22 PM

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QUOTE(sai86 @ Feb 28 2021, 11:42 AM)
All core 4.5ghz or single core boost?
single core/first 2/3 core always at 4.95ghz for my 5900X. and the voltage at 1.45 which is quite high iinm? (under stock settings) hmm.gif

in my 4770k, i undervolt abit in Bios, for Ryzen, use PBO to play around to undervolt it instead of messing directly with the CPU voltage?
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16 core running more than 4.4ghz.. kinda weird though. Any 5950X user here to share the exp. I wonder if my first 3 days running at full speed impact the CPU running at so high speed always.

But will continue to push all core to max tomorrow for my new simulation for 48 hours non stop.

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post Feb 28 2021, 06:18 PM

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QUOTE(xxboxx @ Feb 28 2021, 05:54 PM)
Try checking "Minimum processor state" in Advance Power Settings if it is set at 100%.
I also remember some same issue and turn out some program for the motherboard's RGB that caused the CPU to not idle.
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Sorry boss. How to check on min cpu state.

I bought MSI X570 Unify hence zero RGB. As heard value for money for it cool board.
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post Feb 28 2021, 06:25 PM

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QUOTE(targon @ Feb 28 2021, 03:59 PM)
It's the overall user experience that counts. There's no point in selling a cutting edge CPU but riddled with system stability issues.
Then there's questionable CPU silicon that bsod  depending on ur luck. And now with prices above their original MSRP, it's definitely not worth it to buy into zen 3 platform.
Can't imagine that a consumer having paid top dollars for a cpu and still have to tinker for it to work stably. That's rubbish. Any new system should works ok at stock settings, bios defaults.
Any reviewers mentioned the new Ryzen CPU that gives the most issue or failed the most ?
No. Whatsoever. Silent. No follow-up reviews. Cos that honor belongs to Amd flagship 5950x.
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I got my 5950x at MSRP at RM3699
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post Mar 2 2021, 08:36 PM

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QUOTE(Bonchi @ Mar 2 2021, 05:53 PM)
iinm, all x570 itx has active fans and they tend to scream due to the insane power consumption and heat output of the boards... knowing this back then, I was kinda forced to settle with a B450 while x470 itx stock is non existent at that time when I was looking for a board to pair with the zen2.

The gigabyte's thick slab of metal over the nvme actually help absorb some heat as well as it is screwed on pretty tight to its mount.. it does get warm so it is a sign that it is absorbing some of the heat.
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I run MSI X570 unify. the fan dont spin most of the time except gaming. So i think depends on mobo. But my CPU is running hot at 55 degree.

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