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post Jan 7 2015, 06:36 AM, updated 11y ago

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Nvidia (NASDAQ: NVDA; /?n'v?di?/ in-vid-ee-?) is an American global technology company based in Santa Clara, California. The company invented the graphics processing unit (GPU) in 1999. GPUs drive the computer graphics in games and in applications used by professional designers. Their parallel processing capabilities provide researchers and scientists with the ability to efficiently run high-performance applications, and they are deployed in supercomputing sites around the world. More recently, Nvidia has moved into the mobile computing market, where its processors power phones and tablets, as well as auto infotainment systems. Its competitors include Intel, AMD and Qualcomm.

The following are the most notable product families produced by Nvidia:
[.] GeForce - the gaming graphics processing products for which Nvidia is best known.
[.] Quadro - computer-aided design and digital content creation workstation graphics processing products.
[.] Tegra - a system on a chip series for mobile devices.
[.] Tesla - dedicated general purpose GPU for high-end image generation applications in professional and scientific fields.
[.] nForce - a motherboard chipset created by nVidia for AMD Athlon and Duron microprocessors.

FAST FACTS
> Founded in 1993
> Jen-Hsun Huang is co-founder, president and CEO
> Headquartered in Santa Clara, Calif.
> Listed with NASDAQ under the symbol NVDA in 1999
> Invented the GPU in 1999 and has shipped more than 1 billion to date
> 7,000 employees worldwide
> $4 billion in revenue in FY12
> 2,300+ patents worldwide

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QUOTE(skylinelover @ Jan 7 2015, 06:36 AM)
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Nvidia (NASDAQ: NVDA; /?n'v?di?/ in-vid-ee-?) is an American global technology company based in Santa Clara, California. The company invented the graphics processing unit (GPU) in 1999. GPUs drive the computer graphics in games and in applications used by professional designers. Their parallel processing capabilities provide researchers and scientists with the ability to efficiently run high-performance applications, and they are deployed in supercomputing sites around the world. More recently, Nvidia has moved into the mobile computing market, where its processors power phones and tablets, as well as auto infotainment systems. Its competitors include Intel, AMD and Qualcomm.

The following are the most notable product families produced by Nvidia:
[.] GeForce - the gaming graphics processing products for which Nvidia is best known.
[.] Quadro - computer-aided design and digital content creation workstation graphics processing products.
[.] Tegra - a system on a chip series for mobile devices.
[.] Tesla - dedicated general purpose GPU for high-end image generation applications in professional and scientific fields.
[.] nForce - a motherboard chipset created by nVidia for AMD Athlon and Duron microprocessors.

FAST FACTS
> Founded in 1993
> Jen-Hsun Huang is co-founder, president and CEO
> Headquartered in Santa Clara, Calif.
> Listed with NASDAQ under the symbol NVDA in 1999
> Invented the GPU in 1999 and has shipped more than 1 billion to date
> 7,000 employees worldwide
> $4 billion in revenue in FY12
> 2,300+ patents worldwide

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NVIDIA - http://www.nvidia.com/page/home.html
GeForce Drivers - http://www.geforce.com/drivers
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post Jan 7 2015, 09:13 AM

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I'm late! Any estimation when GM200 arrive?
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QUOTE(ongweiping @ Jan 7 2015, 09:13 AM)
I'm late! Any estimation when GM200 arrive?
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I saw on IdealTech's pricelist..end of January. nod.gif

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QUOTE(Minecrafter @ Jan 7 2015, 11:01 AM)
I saw on IdealTech's pricelist..end of January. nod.gif

Also.. rolleyes.gif
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2015 already where's ur upcoming rig? i'm waiting 28th for BR1M.. wanna sell my processor to buy xeon
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QUOTE(ngkhanmein @ Jan 7 2015, 12:20 PM)
2015 already where's ur upcoming rig? i'm waiting 28th for BR1M.. wanna sell my processor to buy xeon
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Could be at the end of this month,or next or March.But what's for sure..before GST kicks in yo.. sweat.gif
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post Jan 7 2015, 12:51 PM

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QUOTE(Minecrafter @ Jan 7 2015, 11:01 AM)
I saw on IdealTech's pricelist..end of January. nod.gif

Also.. rolleyes.gif
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You mean GTX960 right? I mean those 980Ti or Titan 2 etc. Something like true 780Ti true successor.
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post Jan 7 2015, 12:53 PM

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y nvr pick green card? due to ur mobo support crossfire?
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QUOTE(ongweiping @ Jan 7 2015, 12:51 PM)
You mean GTX960 right? I mean those 980Ti or Titan 2 etc. Something like true 780Ti true successor.
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LOL!My bad,always have the GM200 name mixed up. doh.gif

QUOTE(ngkhanmein @ Jan 7 2015, 12:53 PM)
y nvr pick green card? due to ur mobo support crossfire?
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No good competition from NVidia around RM500-600 price range.And no,only Z97 will help in dual cards,due to x8 speed on 2 PCI-E lanes.
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post Jan 7 2015, 05:44 PM

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should i go for 970 or should i wait for 960 ? wanted to play Unity and BF 4 as my highest demand games. currently using Sapphire R7 250X @.@
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QUOTE(pspslim007 @ Jan 7 2015, 05:44 PM)
should i go for 970 or should i wait for 960 ? wanted to play Unity and BF 4 as my highest demand games. currently using Sapphire R7 250X @.@
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QUOTE(Minecrafter @ Jan 7 2015, 12:56 PM)
LOL!My bad,always have the GM200 name mixed up. doh.gif
No good competition from NVidia around RM500-600 price range.And no,only Z97 will help in dual cards,due to x8 speed on 2 PCI-E lanes.
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only SLi requires minimum x8 speed to work each GPU

Crossfire will work even with just x4
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updating my gpu bios allows the power limit to be raise from 106 to 110 biggrin.gif .
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post Jan 9 2015, 12:00 AM

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Gtx 960 is sli capable biggrin.gif biggrin.gif

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QUOTE(acapniamaxtor @ Jan 9 2015, 12:00 AM)
All GTX x60 is SLI-able. hmm.gif
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post Jan 9 2015, 06:38 AM

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just bought 3DMark on Steam at a discount, man the Firestrike is intense shit
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CPU score drag entire thing down laugh.gif
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QUOTE(marfccy @ Jan 9 2015, 06:38 AM)
just bought 3DMark on Steam at a discount, man the Firestrike is intense shit
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post Jan 9 2015, 07:42 AM

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want to ask the sifus here where can i get this gpu i dont seem to find any evga seller here

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/nvidia...ell,3941-6.html

unless i buy from amazon and im afraid that i will kena tax by malaysian customs
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post Jan 9 2015, 09:33 AM

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QUOTE(marfccy @ Jan 9 2015, 06:38 AM)
just bought 3DMark on Steam at a discount, man the Firestrike is intense shit

CPU score drag entire thing down laugh.gif
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Just curious, is your GTX 780 running at stock or overclocked speeds?

Coming from my previous 780 AMP! to the 970, I can see that there is improvements in terms of the Graphics Score for 3DMark, however in Unigine it doesn't perform as well. sweat.gif
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QUOTE(rav3n82 @ Jan 9 2015, 09:33 AM)
Just curious, is your GTX 780 running at stock or overclocked speeds?

Coming from my previous 780 AMP! to the 970, I can see that there is improvements in terms of the Graphics Score for 3DMark, however in Unigine it doesn't perform as well. sweat.gif
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purely stock, 863/1502MHz

have yet to test it on 100MHz OC

wait, 970 drop score in Unigine compared to 780? hmm.gif
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post Jan 9 2015, 05:57 PM

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QUOTE(marfccy @ Jan 9 2015, 03:30 PM)
purely stock, 863/1502MHz

have yet to test it on 100MHz OC

wait, 970 drop score in Unigine compared to 780? hmm.gif
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Yup, perhaps the GM204 doesn't handle Unigine very well. tongue.gif CPU all running at stock speeds, monitor 1080p.

GTX 780 (clockspeed 1006MHz) - FPS 58.5, Score 1473

GTX 970 (clockspeed 1152MHz) - FPS 55.2, Score 1391
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QUOTE(marfccy @ Jan 9 2015, 03:30 PM)
purely stock, 863/1502MHz

have yet to test it on 100MHz OC

wait, 970 drop score in Unigine compared to 780? hmm.gif
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overclocking the gpu increases the score by quite a lot brows.gif
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http://www.guru3d.com/files_details/monste...k_download.html

Hey Nvidia Look new benchmark using CRYengine +Nvidia gamework effect..
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QUOTE(rav3n82 @ Jan 9 2015, 05:57 PM)
Yup, perhaps the GM204 doesn't handle Unigine very well. tongue.gif CPU all running at stock speeds, monitor 1080p.

GTX 780 (clockspeed 1006MHz) - FPS 58.5, Score 1473

GTX 970 (clockspeed 1152MHz) - FPS 55.2, Score 1391
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mere 3FPS though, i suppose new drivers might fix it

and i thought only AMD Omega driver cause drop in synthetic benchmarks hmm.gif

QUOTE(alfiejr @ Jan 9 2015, 06:16 PM)
overclocking the gpu increases the score by quite a lot  brows.gif
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ill do that when im back, just bought it on sale this morning, only tested Sky Diver and Firestrike

even on Firestrike normal, my system is chugging. 4K Firestrike will kill me sweat.gif
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pumped GPU to 963/1602MHz and ran Firestrike again
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with Shadowplay turned off, i pumped couple of more points
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QUOTE(S4PH @ Jan 9 2015, 07:42 AM)
want to ask the sifus here where can i get this gpu i dont seem to find any evga seller here

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/nvidia...ell,3941-6.html

unless i buy from amazon and im afraid that i will kena tax by malaysian customs
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this guy got sell rclxms.gif got 1 from him last 2 years laugh.gif

https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/2632567
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High Performance, Affordable, Small Graphics Cards from ZOTAC - CES 2015

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Ahem-ahem,the K|ngP|n GTX980 from EVGA soon.. whistling.gif drool.gif laugh.gif
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post Jan 10 2015, 08:52 AM

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I'm running on Intel g2020 and 650ti boost. will i get much gain by replacing the 650ti boost with 970?
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QUOTE(limadekad @ Jan 10 2015, 08:52 AM)
I'm running on Intel g2020 and 650ti boost. will i get much gain by replacing the 650ti boost with 970?
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Of course,yes.. icon_idea.gif brows.gif

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/product/1040?vs=1355

But umm,your CPU is gonna cause bottlenecking. wink.gif
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QUOTE(Minecrafter @ Jan 10 2015, 10:42 AM)
Of course,yes.. icon_idea.gif  brows.gif

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/product/1040?vs=1355

But umm,your CPU is gonna cause bottlenecking. wink.gif
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How bad is the bottleneck we're talking about?

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QUOTE(limadekad @ Jan 10 2015, 10:47 AM)
How bad is the bottleneck we're talking about?
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I've no idea how bad it is,unfortunately,you've to see itfor yourself. tongue.gif hmm.gif

But still,some performance increase jumping from the GTX650Ti Boost to the GTX970. wink.gif
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QUOTE(limadekad @ Jan 10 2015, 10:47 AM)
How bad is the bottleneck we're talking about?
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It depends on the games you play, and the resolution you play. Of course you will notice a difference but it's unbalanced with your CPU. You better upgrade your CPU first
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QUOTE(marfccy @ Jan 10 2015, 05:21 AM)
pumped GPU to 963/1602MHz and ran Firestrike again
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with Shadowplay turned off, i pumped couple of more points
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nice increase, mine is around 92xx. I think having a beefy cpu like the core i7 will boost the score even more sweat.gif
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QUOTE(marfccy @ Jan 10 2015, 05:21 AM)
pumped GPU to 963/1602MHz and ran Firestrike again
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with Shadowplay turned off, i pumped couple of more points
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nice bro , for some reason if I OCed and add more voltage my pc will starts to turn off (complete shutdown) no restart .

Suspect I will be needing new PSU soon . Temp looks okay though

This is the last push I managed before

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QUOTE(alfiejr @ Jan 10 2015, 01:06 PM)
nice increase, mine is around 92xx. I think having a beefy cpu like the core i7 will boost the score even more  sweat.gif
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yeah, as from the pictures above, the Physics test screw my CPU upside down laugh.gif

EDIT: though, even with Sandy Core i5, im still surprised at its performance level

QUOTE(shikimori @ Jan 10 2015, 01:59 PM)
nice bro , for some reason if I OCed and add more voltage my pc will starts to turn off (complete shutdown) no restart .

Suspect I will be needing new PSU soon . Temp looks okay though

This is the last push I managed before
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yeah man, could be PSU problem. suggest you get a new one if you really want to push it maximum

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QUOTE(shikimori @ Jan 10 2015, 01:59 PM)
nice bro , for some reason if I OCed and add more voltage my pc will starts to turn off (complete shutdown) no restart .

Suspect I will be needing new PSU soon . Temp looks okay though

This is the last push I managed before

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I think it's because you're using an Acbel PSU.. laugh.gif Brands like Acbel have crap PSUs AFAIK. wink.gif
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QUOTE(Unseen83 @ Jan 9 2015, 08:36 PM)
http://www.guru3d.com/files_details/monste...k_download.html

Hey Nvidia Look new benchmark using CRYengine +Nvidia gamework effect..
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is this any good or can go further ?

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LOL right after ended the benchmark my nvidia driver have stopped working .. Dayum I really need to amp up the voltage but then again that will cause shutdown cry.gif

QUOTE(Minecrafter @ Jan 10 2015, 04:05 PM)
I think it's because you're using an Acbel PSU.. laugh.gif Brands like Acbel have crap PSUs AFAIK. wink.gif
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for single card I suppose it serves me well but now have 2 970s despite the low power consumption I still have issues . Maybe just like u said this cap ayam acbel is a noGO

can give me some recommendation for PSU ? I got plenty of hdd , 2 ssd + soundcard T_T oced my proc as well .
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QUOTE(shikimori @ Jan 10 2015, 09:17 PM)
is this any good or can go further ?

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LOL right after ended the benchmark my nvidia driver have stopped working .. Dayum I really need to amp up the voltage but then again that will cause shutdown  cry.gif
for single card I suppose it serves me well but now have 2 970s  despite the low power consumption I still have issues .  Maybe just like u said this cap ayam acbel is a noGO

can give me some recommendation for PSU ? I got plenty of hdd , 2 ssd + soundcard T_T oced my proc as well .
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No budget? tongue.gif

CoolerMaster V700 80+ Gold Full Modular RM499
CoolerMaster V750 80+ Gold Semi Modular RM409

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QUOTE(shikimori @ Jan 10 2015, 09:17 PM)
is this any good or can go further ?

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LOL right after ended the benchmark my nvidia driver have stopped working .. Dayum I really need to amp up the voltage but then again that will cause shutdown  cry.gif
for single card I suppose it serves me well but now have 2 970s  despite the low power consumption I still have issues .  Maybe just like u said this cap ayam acbel is a noGO

can give me some recommendation for PSU ? I got plenty of hdd , 2 ssd + soundcard T_T oced my proc as well .
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oh hey that benchmark laugh.gif

i tried it too
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QUOTE(Minecrafter @ Jan 10 2015, 09:43 PM)
No budget? tongue.gif

CoolerMaster V700 80+ Gold Full Modular RM499
CoolerMaster V750 80+ Gold Semi Modular RM409

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QUOTE(shikimori @ Jan 10 2015, 09:17 PM)
is this any good or can go further ?

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LOL right after ended the benchmark my nvidia driver have stopped working .. Dayum I really need to amp up the voltage but then again that will cause shutdown  cry.gif
for single card I suppose it serves me well but now have 2 970s  despite the low power consumption I still have issues .  Maybe just like u said this cap ayam acbel is a noGO

can give me some recommendation for PSU ? I got plenty of hdd , 2 ssd + soundcard T_T oced my proc as well .
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oh my.. i can't use Crossfire on that benchmark.. like i say it favour Nivdia gpu.. unless i mod the crossfire profile setting.. but that give me to high score.. but good score MAN! thumbup.gif
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I tried that benchmark too, with my gtx 780. flex.gif

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QUOTE(shikimori @ Jan 10 2015, 09:48 PM)
got scold by my mom spending money on pointless thing  . Sigh , what's the point working hard if you cant spend seriously   sad.gif  .
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typical parents advice

get a house
get a pretty wife
get a lot of kids
feed them all till they grow up working and you retirement

you can skip car because old junk should do

fuk dat...i probably rent a home and cook myself laugh.gif sick of they busy body my affairs doh.gif

planning 2 find rented by 2016 rclxms.gif

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QUOTE(skylinelover @ Jan 12 2015, 11:25 AM)
typical parents advice

get a house
get a pretty wife
get a lot of kids
feed them all till they grow up working and you retirement

you can skip car because old junk should do

fuk dat...i probably rent a home and cook myself laugh.gif sick of they busy body my affairs doh.gif

planning 2 find rented by 2016 rclxms.gif
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Well...every parents like that one...me also kena but i already have a car and now in process to buy a house brows.gif . Gotta love GTX970 every game i can churn out max setting there is. Previously my old red card 7850 served me pretty good but this green card is a whole new level!
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Guys i need some help on pricing about my GPU. currently im using GTX 780 and i wish to sell it because going to upgrade for better GPU and i dont know how much should i sell. any advice and info that can be share ? icon_question.gif
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QUOTE(TunaManiac @ Jan 15 2015, 02:40 PM)
Guys i need some help on pricing about my GPU. currently im using GTX 780 and i wish to sell it because going to upgrade for better GPU and i dont know how much should i sell. any advice and info that can be share ? icon_question.gif
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Depending if your 780 is reference or not. But generally I think RM1k is about what most people will pay for a 780 now.
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guise i want to ask is my cpu bottleneck my gtx 970?

cpu i5 4460
gpu msi gtx 970 "tiger"

playing metro last light using nvidia recommended setting get average 40-50 fps only. checked on gpu bench can get about 76.7fps

edited: using msi afterburner to check my cpu usage is 70%~ and gpu 98%

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QUOTE(TunaManiac @ Jan 15 2015, 02:40 PM)
Guys i need some help on pricing about my GPU. currently im using GTX 780 and i wish to sell it because going to upgrade for better GPU and i dont know how much should i sell. any advice and info that can be share ? icon_question.gif
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Why upgrade? 780 still stronk mang rolleyes.gif
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QUOTE(ssxcool @ Jan 15 2015, 05:51 PM)
guise i want to ask is my cpu bottleneck my gtx 970?

cpu i5 4460
gpu msi gtx 970 "tiger"

playing metro last light using nvidia recommended setting get average 40-50 fps only. checked on gpu bench can get about 76.7fps

edited: using msi afterburner to check my cpu usage is 70%~ and gpu 98%
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No,the CPU isn't causing any bottleneck. wink.gif
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QUOTE(Minecrafter @ Jan 15 2015, 07:25 PM)
No,the CPU isn't causing any bottleneck. wink.gif
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then why i do not get above 60 fps? using very high setting

i feel so cheated by anandtech gpu bench cry.gif cry.gif
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QUOTE(ssxcool @ Jan 15 2015, 08:27 PM)
then why i do not get above 60 fps? using very high setting

i feel so cheated by anandtech gpu bench  cry.gif  cry.gif
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QUOTE(ssxcool @ Jan 15 2015, 05:51 PM)
guise i want to ask is my cpu bottleneck my gtx 970?

cpu i5 4460
gpu msi gtx 970 "tiger"

playing metro last light using nvidia recommended setting get average 40-50 fps only. checked on gpu bench can get about 76.7fps

edited: using msi afterburner to check my cpu usage is 70%~ and gpu 98%
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hmm.gif what resolution your playing ? and please post the LINK bench you saw got 76Fps.. smile.gif

update:

is this it ? i think i found it.. on 1080P ?

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/GPU14/852

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Metro LL 1080P Very high i got

Average Framerate: 55.33
Max. Framerate: 94.78
Min. Framerate: 32.60

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QUOTE(amxpayne67 @ Jan 14 2015, 01:29 PM)
Well...every parents like that one...me also kena but i already have a car and now in process to buy a house brows.gif . Gotta love GTX970 every game i can churn out max setting there is. Previously my old red card 7850 served me pretty good but this green card is a whole new level!
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bagus bagus laugh.gif rclxms.gif

i choose rent because i aint buying with jacking up prices thanks 2 kiasu land flocking from the causeway 2 settle down without PR ship doh.gif shakehead.gif

yeah card is great but you got any plans in changing monitor 1440p brows.gif icon_idea.gif
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QUOTE(ssxcool @ Jan 15 2015, 05:51 PM)
guise i want to ask is my cpu bottleneck my gtx 970?

cpu i5 4460
gpu msi gtx 970 "tiger"

playing metro last light using nvidia recommended setting get average 40-50 fps only. checked on gpu bench can get about 76.7fps

edited: using msi afterburner to check my cpu usage is 70%~ and gpu 98%
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I'm also on i5 4460, but Asus GTX 970. Asked the same question as you and was told CPU + GPU is a good pair.

As long as no stutter I'm happy tongue.gif
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Just got my zotac gtx970 from lazada any comments on this brand
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QUOTE(Unseen83 @ Jan 15 2015, 09:18 PM)
hmm.gif  what resolution your playing ? and please post the LINK bench you saw got 76Fps.. smile.gif

update:

is this it ? i think i found it..  on 1080P ?

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/GPU14/852

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Metro LL 1080P Very high i got

    Average Framerate: 55.33
    Max. Framerate: 94.78
    Min. Framerate: 32.60
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QUOTE(S4PH @ Jan 16 2015, 12:23 AM)
Just got my zotac gtx970 from lazada any comments on this brand
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How much?

I now dilemma, to upgrade a gpu or buy new phone or save for holiday trip sweat.gif
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How much?

I now dilemma, to upgrade a gpu or buy new phone or save for holiday trip sweat.gif
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save for holiday better. YOLO
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QUOTE(skylinelover @ Jan 15 2015, 09:24 PM)
bagus bagus laugh.gif rclxms.gif

i choose rent because i aint buying with jacking up prices thanks 2 kiasu land flocking from the causeway 2 settle down without PR ship doh.gif shakehead.gif

yeah card is great but you got any plans in changing monitor 1440p brows.gif icon_idea.gif
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I have no need to upgrade to 1440p. With this card, 3 x 1080p is enough for me brows.gif Now eyeing Dell S2415H. Slim border IPS 1080p panel so hnggghhh drool.gif
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QUOTE(ssxcool @ Jan 16 2015, 12:31 AM)
ya, anandtech penipu scammer
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hm have you try benchmark it change tesselation Normal instead Very high ? Anandatech did say/show detail Setting only thing we know is Resolution 1080p and Quality is Very High. maybe rest is off or normal... hmm.gif


add on: i try the same setting 1080p /Quality V.High the rest off / normal still manage to get 62 Fps average... rclxub.gif so i just fug it i put on Dual Gpu than i got 85Fps average rclxm9.gif icon_idea.gif brows.gif

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One of the leaks about GTX960 specifications.. brows.gif
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Source: http://www.techpowerup.com/208934/nvidia-g...-confirmed.html

Nvidia will launch it on the 22nd of January 2015.Also,look at the overclocked vs stock picture.. shocking.gif


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QUOTE(Minecrafter @ Jan 16 2015, 02:45 PM)
One of the leaks about GTX960 specifications.. brows.gif
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Source: http://www.techpowerup.com/208934/nvidia-g...-confirmed.html

Nvidia will launch it on the 22nd of January 2015.Also,look at the overclocked vs stock picture.. shocking.gif
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That 128 bit memory sweat.gif , the power requirement of a single 6 pin power connector is really nice though especially for SFF. The clock speed is pretty decent for reference board.
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QUOTE(alfiejr @ Jan 16 2015, 07:59 PM)
That 128 bit memory  sweat.gif  , the power requirement of a single 6 pin power connector is really nice though especially for SFF. The clock speed is pretty decent for reference board.
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Yeah right?But NVidia is using the lossless texture compression thingy tech or whatever the name is.. sweat.gif

Yup,if the price is $150-170 then i'll grab. biggrin.gif
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^^ grab GTX960 rather than u get R9 270
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QUOTE(ngkhanmein @ Jan 16 2015, 08:21 PM)
^^ grab GTX960 rather than u get R9 270
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If only i've a bigger budget..or the price is around R9 270. tongue.gif plus the R9 270 is a decent card. biggrin.gif Well,not as good as GTX960 for sure.

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QUOTE(Minecrafter @ Jan 16 2015, 08:29 PM)
If only i've a bigger budget..or the price is around R9 270. tongue.gif plus the R9 270 is a decent card. biggrin.gif Well,not as good as GTX960 for sure.
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you wait so long, the budget should be increasing with every month pass by, unless you're not saving.

that being said.. buy current gen, not 2 gens ago card.
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QUOTE(xhakox @ Jan 16 2015, 12:59 AM)
How much?

I now dilemma, to upgrade a gpu or buy new phone or save for holiday trip sweat.gif
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got voucher from lazada at rm1079 thumbup.gif
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QUOTE(Minecrafter @ Jan 16 2015, 08:29 PM)
If only i've a bigger budget..or the price is around R9 270. tongue.gif plus the R9 270 is a decent card. biggrin.gif Well,not as good as GTX960 for sure.
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i already gave up amd. no budget i rather earn more to buy nvidia. i used AMD more than 10 yrs. seriously driver & hardware really not good. especially heat!
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QUOTE(raydenex @ Jan 16 2015, 08:31 PM)
you wait so long, the budget should be increasing with every month pass by, unless you're not saving.

that being said.. buy current gen, not 2 gens ago card.
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Not saving that much,since budget have been set. biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(ngkhanmein @ Jan 16 2015, 08:39 PM)
i already gave up amd. no budget i rather earn more to buy nvidia. i used AMD more than 10 yrs. seriously driver & hardware really not good. especially heat!
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Well,that's you.Me,no idea.

The heat issue.. doh.gif You can just get..let's say,R9 290,not the reference for sure,get one like the Vapor-X Tri-Fan version. tongue.gif For all reference cards,yes,the temperature may not be that good. wink.gif
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QUOTE(Minecrafter @ Jan 16 2015, 08:19 PM)
Yeah right?But NVidia is using the lossless texture compression thingy tech or whatever the name is.. sweat.gif

Yup,if the price is $150-170 then i'll grab. biggrin.gif
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Only works if developers are using Nvidia's Gameworks API. Unfortunately, most developers don't.

2GB Vram is silly, even if it's a mainstream card. The 960 right out of the box should be near equal to a 770.
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QUOTE(SSJBen @ Jan 16 2015, 10:39 PM)
Only works if developers are using Nvidia's Gameworks API. Unfortunately, most developers don't.

2GB Vram is silly, even if it's a mainstream card. The 960 right out of the box should be near equal to a 770.
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A local retailer already posted price for gigabyte gtx960 windforce RM989, gtx960 G1 gaming RM1059, stock arrive next week
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QUOTE(SSJBen @ Jan 16 2015, 10:39 PM)
Only works if developers are using Nvidia's Gameworks API. Unfortunately, most developers don't.

2GB Vram is silly, even if it's a mainstream card. The 960 right out of the box should be near equal to a 770.
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Agree, 2GB is simply not enough if you wanna play most newly released triple A titles at high settings@1080P , they just consumed too much memory. If true 960=770 then oc it a bit might edge a bit closer to the gtx 780 drool.gif
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http://wccftech.com/nvidias-flagship-maxwe...am-massive-die/

GM200 incoming brows.gif
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QUOTE(ngkhanmein @ Jan 16 2015, 08:39 PM)
i already gave up amd. no budget i rather earn more to buy nvidia. i used AMD more than 10 yrs. seriously driver & hardware really not good. especially heat!
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haha same here flex.gif rclxms.gif
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QUOTE(skylinelover @ Jan 16 2015, 11:56 PM)
haha same here flex.gif rclxms.gif
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QUOTE(llk @ Jan 16 2015, 10:56 PM)
A local retailer already posted price for gigabyte gtx960 windforce RM989, gtx960 G1 gaming RM1059, stock arrive next week
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That's poor pricing right there. RM300+/- more can get a GTX970. Even with the 970's fiasco in the last couple of weeks, it still remains an amazing buy.

Also from AMD's side, if the R9 285X will be priced at just under RM1k, then the 960 is at a poor place.


QUOTE(alfiejr @ Jan 16 2015, 11:30 PM)
Agree, 2GB is simply not enough if you wanna play most newly released triple A titles at high settings@1080P , they just consumed too much memory. If true 960=770 then oc it a bit might edge a bit closer to the gtx 780  drool.gif
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Yeah, I mean... consoles themselves has over 5GB of of RAM usage albeit they are used differently. So for a 960 to have only 2GB, poor decision Nvidia.
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QUOTE(ReverseDark @ Jan 16 2015, 11:46 PM)
The GTX960 coming soon lol

http://wccftech.com/nvidia-geforce-gtx-960...tor-priced-200/
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QUOTE(SSJBen @ Jan 16 2015, 10:39 PM)
Only works if developers are using Nvidia's Gameworks API. Unfortunately, most developers don't.

2GB Vram is silly, even if it's a mainstream card. The 960 right out of the box should be near equal to a 770.
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Oh i see.. icon_rolleyes.gif hmm.gif

Ikr..well,let's wait for the benchmarks to roll out first. biggrin.gif

QUOTE(llk @ Jan 16 2015, 10:56 PM)
A local retailer already posted price for gigabyte gtx960 windforce RM989, gtx960 G1 gaming RM1059, stock arrive next week
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The Gainward GTX970 4GB is priced at RM1099.. sweat.gif Well,don't know if the price is still the same,due to the currency exchange.. sweat.gif
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QUOTE(Minecrafter @ Jan 17 2015, 07:43 AM)
Oh i see.. icon_rolleyes.gif  hmm.gif

Ikr..well,let's wait for the benchmarks to roll out first. biggrin.gif
The Gainward GTX970 4GB is priced at RM1099.. sweat.gif Well,don't know if the price is still the same,due to the currency exchange.. sweat.gif
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If that's the case, might as just well get a GTX970 instead... doh.gif

The pricing doesn't make any sense for me. rclxub.gif

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BTW, the leaked nVidia slides are hilarious and pretty misleading at the same time:

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...especially when the chart starts at a certain value instead of 0. sweat.gif
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QUOTE(chocobo7779 @ Jan 17 2015, 07:55 AM)
If that's the case, might as just well get a GTX970 instead... doh.gif

The pricing doesn't make any sense for me.  rclxub.gif

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BTW, the leaked nVidia slides are hilarious and pretty misleading at the same time:

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...especially when the chart starts at a certain value instead of 0.  sweat.gif
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Ikr,if it were to be priced around the RM800-900 range,then that is better IMO. sweat.gif

laugh.gif Imagine someone getting confused saying that the memory clock is only 1Gbps.. laugh.gif

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QUOTE(Minecrafter @ Jan 17 2015, 08:02 AM)
Ikr,if it were to be priced around the RM800-900 range,then that is better IMO. sweat.gif

laugh.gif Imagine someone getting confused saying that the memory clock is only 1Gbps.. laugh.gif
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The pricing for GTX960 is that much? It should be around MYR700-800 then it will be acceptable IMO. If like this AMD will pretty much dominate mid tier card. Plus used HD7970 can get around MYR800 too...
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Straight GTX 970 la. 4GB VRAM is very important for future games since PS4/XBoxOne crossplatform games now have huge texture's sizes already and going to bloat the VRAM. For example COD Advanced Warefare ate more than 2GB VRAM if set textures to max even on 768p.
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QUOTE(chocobo7779 @ Jan 17 2015, 07:55 AM)
If that's the case, might as just well get a GTX970 instead... doh.gif

The pricing doesn't make any sense for me.  rclxub.gif

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BTW, the leaked nVidia slides are hilarious and pretty misleading at the same time:

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...especially when the chart starts at a certain value instead of 0.  sweat.gif
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Ermm..I think the data they are trying to present is still interpretable. You are referring to the overclocker's dream slide right? Biasalah manufacturers sure wanna put a certain base value to show how "high" their clock speed can be right? If put "0" how does it relate in terms of the chart scale?
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QUOTE(lucidlts @ Jan 17 2015, 01:13 AM)
No love for gm200 :sad: btw l read that gtx960 rumoring gonna retail at 300$ at thailand
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QUOTE(terradrive @ Jan 17 2015, 09:03 AM)
Straight GTX 970 la. 4GB VRAM is very important for future games since PS4/XBoxOne crossplatform games now have huge texture's sizes already and going to bloat the VRAM. For example COD Advanced Warefare ate more than 2GB VRAM if set textures to max even on 768p.
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Speaking of which, lots of people are now reporting that the 970 really only can access up to 3.5-3.6GB of VRAM. I have not actually checked into this yet, so I cannot say for now. hmm.gif
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GIGABYTE GTX 960 WINDFORCE 2GB GDDR5 256B (GV-N960WF2OC-2GD) RM 989.00

GIGABYTE GTX 960 G1 GAMING 2GB GDDR5 256B (GV-N960G1 GAMING-2GD) RM 1059.00


https://www.facebook.com/techviewitsolution...?type=1&theater

no idea how legit is this blush.gif

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QUOTE(ks1230 @ Jan 17 2015, 01:01 PM)
GIGABYTE GTX 960 WINDFORCE 2GB GDDR5 256B (GV-N960WF2OC-2GD) RM 989.00

GIGABYTE GTX 960 G1 GAMING 2GB GDDR5 256B (GV-N960G1 GAMING-2GD) RM 1059.00
https://www.facebook.com/techviewitsolution...?type=1&theater

no idea how legit is this  blush.gif
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if that is the price,,,might as well jump shoot over GTX970 LOR laugh.gif doh.gif
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QUOTE(skylinelover @ Jan 17 2015, 01:55 PM)
if that is the price,,,might as well jump shoot over GTX970 LOR laugh.gif doh.gif
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Don't know but I think nVidia must be smoking some 'good stuff' right now... sweat.gif

Why would they price the 960 so close to their 970s? doh.gif
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QUOTE(chocobo7779 @ Jan 17 2015, 03:52 PM)
Don't know but I think nVidia must be smoking some 'good stuff' right now... sweat.gif

Why would they price the 960 so close to their 970s? doh.gif
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So people can continue buying the 970. laugh.gif
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QUOTE(chocobo7779 @ Jan 17 2015, 03:52 PM)
Don't know but I think nVidia must be smoking some 'good stuff' right now... sweat.gif

Why would they price the 960 so close to their 970s? doh.gif
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QUOTE(Acid_RuleZz @ Jan 17 2015, 04:10 PM)
So people can continue buying the 970.  laugh.gif
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Or maybe they have another plan on that? hmm.gif

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QUOTE(Minecrafter @ Jan 17 2015, 04:14 PM)
Or maybe they have another plan on that? hmm.gif
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Let people buy up all their 970s until shortage... then use the opportunity to raise up prices... brows.gif brows.gif

Then people is forced to get the weaker 960s... brows.gif

Note: This is a speculation tongue.gif
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QUOTE(chocobo7779 @ Jan 17 2015, 04:21 PM)
Let people buy up all their 970s until shortage... then use the opportunity to raise up prices...  brows.gif brows.gif

Then people is forced to get the weaker 960s... brows.gif

Note: This is a speculation tongue.gif
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That..with all due respect,only NVidia fanboys would get that if it were to happen. laugh.gif

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QUOTE(chocobo7779 @ Jan 17 2015, 04:21 PM)
Let people buy up all their 970s until shortage... then use the opportunity to raise up prices...  brows.gif brows.gif

Then people is forced to get the weaker 960s... brows.gif

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and then Nvidia troll later when true Maxwell cards are released whistling.gif
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Then nVidia releases a much cheaper card, with slightly less performance than true Maxwell cards. icon_idea.gif

Just like what nVidia has done to the 780s and the Titan. whistling.gif
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QUOTE(SSJBen @ Jan 17 2015, 11:34 AM)
Speaking of which, lots of people are now reporting that the 970 really only can access up to 3.5-3.6GB of VRAM. I have not actually checked into this yet, so I cannot say for now. hmm.gif
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yup tested on shadow of mordor with max textures msi afterburner reports 3.5gb of usage very weird

http://www.dsogaming.com/news/nvidia-gtx-9...ore-than-3-5gb/

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GIGABYTE GTX 960 WINDFORCE 2GB GDDR5 256B (GV-N960WF2OC-2GD) RM 989.00

GIGABYTE GTX 960 G1 GAMING 2GB GDDR5 256B (GV-N960G1 GAMING-2GD) RM 1059.00
https://www.facebook.com/techviewitsolution...?type=1&theater

no idea how legit is this  blush.gif
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normal to have highest end of one range to be same price as lower end of a higher range.

I'll take reference GTX 970 over custom cooler GTX 960 any day.

If you guys look at the memory configuration the GTX 960's memory bandwidth is much reduced compared to GTX 760.
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Comparing with the previous gens, the GTX 760 was quite similar in terms of performance with the GTX 670.

If GTX 960 can't match the performance of GTX 770, thats quite bad considering the gap between GTX 760 and GTX 970 is quite huge
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QUOTE(S4PH @ Jan 18 2015, 12:30 AM)
yup tested on shadow of mordor with max textures msi afterburner reports 3.5gb of usage very weird

http://www.dsogaming.com/news/nvidia-gtx-9...ore-than-3-5gb/
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Tested a couple of games yesterday, namely DA:I and Alien Isolation.

As we all know DA:I is a bit of a hit and miss when it comes to PC optimisation, it's not entirely solid but for the most part it runs decent. My 970 top out at 3.7GB (3702mb to be specific) VRAM on 1440p, max settings. Switch it down to 1080p, max settings and it was hovering around 3680MB. However I did get stuttering once the VRAM went about 3.5GB in DA:I, which is what many others on the internet has already reported.
I wouldn't say the stuttering is terrible till the point of being unplayable, but it can get annoying. Fortunately DA:I isn't a game where you need twitch reflexes, but if this issue crops up in other games then it'll be quite a bad gaming experience.

Alien Isolation on the other hand runs on pretty much any machine and it's example of great optimisation on PC games. Obviously the game isn't stressful enough to use 4GB of VRAM, but what I did was downscale from 4k to 1080p. VRAM usage was around only 3GB. Obviously no stuttering, but I just wanted to try a game where everything is all well and dandy.

Will test a few other games later.


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Comparing with the previous gens, the GTX 760 was quite similar in terms of performance with the GTX 670.

If GTX 960 can't match the performance of GTX 770, thats quite bad considering the gap between GTX 760 and GTX 970 is quite huge
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960 is expected to be near 770 performance. Given Maxwell's track record of OC ability, it's quite a given that the 960 will surpass 770 in performance. It's an assumption of course, but I think at this point it's a safe one.

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QUOTE(SSJBen @ Jan 18 2015, 12:59 PM)
Tested a couple of games yesterday, namely DA:I and Alien Isolation.

As we all know DA:I is a bit of a hit and miss when it comes to PC optimisation, it's not entirely solid but for the most part it runs decent. My 970 top out at 3.7GB (3702mb to be specific) VRAM on 1440p, max settings. Switch it down to 1080p, max settings and it was hovering around 3680MB. However I did get stuttering once the VRAM went about 3.5GB in DA:I, which is what many others on the internet has already reported.
I wouldn't say the stuttering is terrible till the point of being unplayable, but it can get annoying. Fortunately DA:I isn't a game where you need twitch reflexes, but if this issue crops up in other games then it'll be quite a bad gaming experience.

Alien Isolation on the other hand runs on pretty much any machine and it's example of great optimisation on PC games. Obviously the game isn't stressful enough to use 4GB of VRAM, but what I did was downscale from 4k to 1080p. VRAM usage was around only 3GB. Obviously no stuttering, but I just wanted to try a game where everything is all well and dandy.

Will test a few other games later.
960 is expected to be near 770 performance. Given Maxwell's track record of OC ability, it's quite a given that the 960 will surpass 770 in performance. It's an assumption of course, but I think at this point it's a safe one.
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QUOTE(SSJBen @ Jan 18 2015, 12:59 PM)
Tested a couple of games yesterday, namely DA:I and Alien Isolation.

As we all know DA:I is a bit of a hit and miss when it comes to PC optimisation, it's not entirely solid but for the most part it runs decent. My 970 top out at 3.7GB (3702mb to be specific) VRAM on 1440p, max settings. Switch it down to 1080p, max settings and it was hovering around 3680MB. However I did get stuttering once the VRAM went about 3.5GB in DA:I, which is what many others on the internet has already reported.
I wouldn't say the stuttering is terrible till the point of being unplayable, but it can get annoying. Fortunately DA:I isn't a game where you need twitch reflexes, but if this issue crops up in other games then it'll be quite a bad gaming experience.

Alien Isolation on the other hand runs on pretty much any machine and it's example of great optimisation on PC games. Obviously the game isn't stressful enough to use 4GB of VRAM, but what I did was downscale from 4k to 1080p. VRAM usage was around only 3GB. Obviously no stuttering, but I just wanted to try a game where everything is all well and dandy.

Will test a few other games later.
960 is expected to be near 770 performance. Given Maxwell's track record of OC ability, it's quite a given that the 960 will surpass 770 in performance. It's an assumption of course, but I think at this point it's a safe one.
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its always weird how some older gen games that looks way better than current, yet eats up less VRAM sweat.gif

for exp, Crysis 3. its looks superb and beautiful, and it doesnt even chug under <3GB VRAM cards too
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QUOTE(marfccy @ Jan 18 2015, 08:33 PM)
its always weird how some older gen games that looks way better than current, yet eats up less VRAM sweat.gif

for exp, Crysis 3. its looks superb and beautiful, and it doesnt even chug under <3GB VRAM cards too
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I actually love newer memory chugging games to be honest.

For example Far Cry 4's texture looked superb and detailed compared to Far Cry 3 with the same engine. And both running about the same speed on the same hardware.

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QUOTE(terradrive @ Jan 18 2015, 09:43 PM)
I actually love newer memory chugging games to be honest.

For example Far Cry 4's texture looked superb and detailed compared to Far Cry 3 with the same engine. And both running about the same speed on the same hardware.
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i like it as well, but its sort of an unnecessary usage of GPU resource imo

some things we dont notice much during heat of gaming, texture wise, unless its really bad textures or im actively looking for it, its not noticeable to me
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QUOTE(marfccy @ Jan 18 2015, 09:50 PM)
i like it as well, but its sort of an unnecessary usage of GPU resource imo

some things we dont notice much during heat of gaming, texture wise, unless its really bad textures or im actively looking for it, its not noticeable to me
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Im sure its driver issues memory management is screwed up for the 970, btw im still lovin my 970 way better than my r9 290  thumbup.gif
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Perhaps. I never actually noticed this VRAM "bug" back on 344.16, only in 347.09 where this issue is cropping up all over the place. It still sounds like a hoax to be honest. Will need more time to test things out.


QUOTE(marfccy @ Jan 18 2015, 09:50 PM)
i like it as well, but its sort of an unnecessary usage of GPU resource imo

some things we dont notice much during heat of gaming, texture wise, unless its really bad textures or im actively looking for it, its not noticeable to me
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For years developers has been finding ways to compress textures and optimize fillrate for games. Suddenly, devs just say "oh wadaheck" when consoles suddenly have 8GB of RAM. Then suddenly we are getting all these games which needs a gigantic step in VRAM just because, "why not?".
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QUOTE(SSJBen @ Jan 19 2015, 12:48 AM)
For years developers has been finding ways to compress textures and optimize fillrate for games. Suddenly, devs just say "oh wadaheck" when consoles suddenly have 8GB of RAM. Then suddenly we are getting all these games which needs a gigantic step in VRAM just because, "why not?".
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which gave GPU makers ideas of "oh hey, lets make a card that have high VRAM, just cause we can and people will still pay for it. then, we can proceed to release newer cards with slightly abit more VRAM just cause "console demands it"

the idea of utilising more VRAM for graphics is good, but lets face it. going high resolution texture pack is not so important as 4K is still in infancy and yet to be widely adopted. so the needs of extremely high VRAM is not required for now

not to mention, devs will also go "ahh why the hell need to compress?" and then massive influx of uncompressed textures appearing that made GPUs suffer just cause lack of VRAM despite being rather powerful


TLDR version : unless 8GB VRAM GPUs are standards, this is somehow like another scheme to make us upgrade parts too often eventhough the GPU itself is more than capable. the only issue is VRAM throttling perf

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Wait, people want a 960?

You'd think 970 is overkill for you at 1080p, but console parts ain't gonna be so kind to your machine. I play on 1080p almost exclusively and even Tomb Raider struggles to stay over 60fps at all times(obviously it's higher than 60 most of the time, but framerates dropping below 40 is distracting).
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Wait, people want a 960?

You'd think 970 is overkill for you at 1080p, but console parts ain't gonna be so kind to your machine. I play on 1080p almost exclusively and even Tomb Raider struggles to stay over 60fps at all times(obviously it's higher than 60 most of the time, but framerates dropping below 40 is distracting).
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I thought only multi monitor setup use a lot of VRAM? First time heard VRAM throttling
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I thought only multi monitor setup use a lot of VRAM? First time heard VRAM throttling
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its due to massive spam of uncompressed textures by devs, which causes the VRAM to be overloaded and struggling

not so long ago, even 2GB is more than enough for 1440p

but with the introduction of 8GB VRAM in PS4, devs are now taking opportunity to utilise more VRAM

so despite GPU having more than enough power to deal with the game, you get frame drops due to lack of VRAM
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VRAM throttling is one issue. The whole other issue is voltage throttling, pretty much due to Nvidia's "Boost" technology. Seriously hate it. Going through the trouble to disable it through BIOS mods is possible, but most users wouldn't even dare try (despite it being quite safe if you research before doing anything).
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QUOTE(marfccy @ Jan 19 2015, 10:01 PM)
its due to massive spam of uncompressed textures by devs, which causes the VRAM to be overloaded and struggling

not so long ago, even 2GB is more than enough for 1440p

but with the introduction of 8GB VRAM in PS4, devs are now taking opportunity to utilise more VRAM

so despite GPU having more than enough power to deal with the game, you get frame drops due to lack of VRAM
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If you have lower VRAM size then just set your settings for lower sized texture in the game settings, that's all...

But we are in 2015 already. AMD or Nvidia should push 8GB VRAM for their top of the line cards now, since VRAM isn't that expensive anymore.

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GTX 960 is a dud by Nvidia, it's 2015 yet the performance is like a GTX 760...

Performance increase from OC is not much though compared to GTX 780 or GTX 970. And interesting to see the lousy overclocker R9 290 (as everybody been saying) had performance increase as good as 780/970.

Mid range gamers are still screwed for years with lousy performance lol. Most berbaloi GPU still over RM1k laugh.gif

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QUOTE(terradrive @ Jan 21 2015, 09:05 AM)
If you have lower VRAM size then just set your settings for lower sized texture in the game settings, that's all...

But we are in 2015 already. AMD or Nvidia should push 8GB VRAM for their top of the line cards now, since VRAM isn't that expensive anymore.

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GTX 960 is a dud by Nvidia, it's 2015 yet the performance is like a GTX 760...

Performance increase from OC is not much though compared to GTX 780 or GTX 970. And interesting to see the lousy overclocker R9 290 (as everybody been saying) had performance increase as good as 780/970.

Mid range gamers are still screwed for years with lousy performance lol. Most berbaloi GPU still over RM1k  laugh.gif
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I agree GTX960 is a dud. Let's send a clear message to nVidia by boycotting GTX960.
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QUOTE(gogo2 @ Jan 21 2015, 09:48 AM)
I agree GTX960 is a dud. Let's send a clear message to nVidia by boycotting GTX960.
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they should just scrap low end cards and concentrate on mid to high end to enthusiast level . Its redundant and pointless to begin with unless its for those who just want to use dual monitor situation for work

Anyway have anyone tried nvidia 347.12 yet ? LOL tried it and seems to be having less stuttering and flickering at least for me .

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I would hoping that the 960 would have similar to close performance with 770 with a lowered price point.
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QUOTE(Skidd Chung @ Jan 21 2015, 10:25 AM)
I would hoping that the 960 would have similar to close performance with 770 with a lowered price point.
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There is 960 Ti and 960 Ti Boost for that.
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Haha. A bad day 4 mid ranges it seems. laugh.gif doh.gif
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QUOTE(terradrive @ Jan 21 2015, 09:05 AM)
If you have lower VRAM size then just set your settings for lower sized texture in the game settings, that's all...

But we are in 2015 already. AMD or Nvidia should push 8GB VRAM for their top of the line cards now, since VRAM isn't that expensive anymore.

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GTX 960 is a dud by Nvidia, it's 2015 yet the performance is like a GTX 760...

Performance increase from OC is not much though compared to GTX 780 or GTX 970. And interesting to see the lousy overclocker R9 290 (as everybody been saying) had performance increase as good as 780/970.

Mid range gamers are still screwed for years with lousy performance lol. Most berbaloi GPU still over RM1k  laugh.gif
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nah, my negativity on >VRAM is more on how older games still can have awesome textures yet doesnt max out the VRAM in the GPUs
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Older games textures aren't that awesome compared to latest games. Most of them are so blurry including those on titanfall.
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QUOTE(terradrive @ Jan 21 2015, 04:46 PM)
Older games textures aren't that awesome compared to latest games. Most of them are so blurry including those on titanfall.
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Crysis 3 is a 2 year old game yet > latest games.
Skyrim is a 3 year old game, but with mods > latest games.
GTA4 is a game from the last century but with mods > latest games.

All 3 games doesn't even tax VRAM. See the trend here?

Okay, Skyrim and GTA4 needs mods to look great. But even with mods, we're not going above 4GB of VRAM either.

What's happening now a days is that games are having multi layer texture maps and are placing them all to load through PS4/Xbone's VRAM ability to stream via AMD's HSA tech. This isn't available on PC graphics cards, at least not yet. The main engines (Unity, UE4, Cry3, AnvilNext, and so on) all support HSA, so why hasn't Nvidia reel out the appropriate support yet? Nvidia's own Gameworks API doesn't have anything similar either.

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So...the cheapest GTX960 so far is the Palit GTX960 RM899 from IdealTech. hmm.gif
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So...the cheapest GTX960 so far is the Palit GTX960 RM899 from IdealTech. hmm.gif
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QUOTE(SSJBen @ Jan 21 2015, 09:14 PM)
And that's still overpriced. sweat.gif
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QUOTE(terradrive @ Jan 21 2015, 04:46 PM)
Older games textures aren't that awesome compared to latest games. Most of them are so blurry including those on titanfall.
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well SSJBen sort of answered what i wanted to answer sweat.gif

those MP focused games have to be avoid using as examples, as theyre never meant for "high end graphics" anyway, they dont cater to that

even with my Skyrim with 4K res texture pack, even if its filled with bucket full of other graphical mods, it barely taxes 3GB VRAM cards. and it still look superb as well. their stock one was nasty as fuk btw, 128x128 reso max doh.gif

and then suddenly Shadow Of Mordor comes in with Ultra Texture DLC, i tried it. and game keep crashing due to insufficient memory (GPU-Z shows maxing at 3+GB VRAM and being throttled by that)

and then visual checking time, i see no discernible differences (granted i only downsample from 2880x1620p) as their High settings is plenty superb already

the trend of constantly spamming uncompressed textures just because "muh next gen" is getting out of hand these days. Watchdogs look like crap. yet requires >3GB VRAM. what? how???

if this trend continues just cause "marketing tactic of more is better", GPU manufacturers cannot catch up as 8GB GDDR5 are not cheap and easily to mass produced yet (theres a reason workstation cards with 12GB VRAM are obnoxiously priced)


in short, i like how the direction the market is going, but only if the higher VRAM is to be utilised efficiently.
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QUOTE(marfccy @ Jan 21 2015, 09:21 PM)
well SSJBen sort of answered what i wanted to answer sweat.gif

those MP focused games have to be avoid using as examples, as theyre never meant for "high end graphics" anyway, they dont cater to that

even with my Skyrim with 4K res texture pack, even if its filled with bucket full of other graphical mods, it barely taxes 3GB VRAM cards. and it still look superb as well. their stock one was nasty as fuk btw, 128x128 reso max doh.gif

and then suddenly Shadow Of Mordor comes in with Ultra Texture DLC, i tried it. and game keep crashing due to insufficient memory (GPU-Z shows maxing at 3+GB VRAM and being throttled by that)

and then visual checking time, i see no discernible differences (granted i only downsample from 2880x1620p) as their High settings is plenty superb already

the trend of constantly spamming uncompressed textures just because "muh next gen" is getting out of hand these days. Watchdogs look like crap. yet requires >3GB VRAM. what? how???

if this trend continues just cause "marketing tactic of more is better", GPU manufacturers cannot catch up as 8GB GDDR5 are not cheap and easily to mass produced yet (theres a reason workstation cards with 12GB VRAM are obnoxiously priced)
in short, i like how the direction the market is going, but only if the higher VRAM is to be utilised efficiently.
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Workstation card's VRAM is expensive because it's based on ECC RAM, normal gamer's GPU comes with non-ECC RAM which is cheap. Not to mention the expensive part of workstation GPU is the support by the manufacturer.

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QUOTE(shikimori @ Jan 21 2015, 10:10 AM)
they should just scrap low end cards and concentrate on mid to high end to enthusiast level . Its redundant and pointless to begin with unless its for those who just want to use dual monitor situation for work

Anyway have anyone tried nvidia 347.12 yet ? LOL tried it and seems to be having less stuttering and flickering at least for me .
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347.12? I don't even see it on nvidia's driver site...is it official?
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347.12? I don't even see it on nvidia's driver site...is it official?
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QUOTE(shikimori @ Jan 22 2015, 12:19 AM)
developer release  , you can check on guru3d forums .
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Well reviews are out...

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/nvidia...x-960,4038.html

...and it's not particularly impressive, since you can get the R9 280/X for about the same money here... sweat.gif
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347.25 WHQL is released!
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QUOTE(ngkhanmein @ Jan 22 2015, 11:09 PM)
347.25 WHQL is released!
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when will they bring MFAA to sli cards ?

Kinda sad cant used it even though got two maxwell card
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QUOTE(shikimori @ Jan 22 2015, 11:12 PM)
when will they bring MFAA to sli cards ?

Kinda sad cant used it even though got two maxwell card
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bro i'm not keen with SLI. i prefer single. whistling.gif
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QUOTE(SSJBen @ Jan 21 2015, 06:28 PM)
Crysis 3 is a 2 year old game yet > latest games.
Skyrim is a 3 year old game, but with mods > latest games.
GTA4 is a game from the last century but with mods > latest games.

All 3 games doesn't even tax VRAM. See the trend here?

Okay, Skyrim and GTA4 needs mods to look great. But even with mods, we're not going above 4GB of VRAM either.

What's happening now a days is that games are having multi layer texture maps and are placing them all to load through PS4/Xbone's VRAM ability to stream via AMD's HSA tech. This isn't available on PC graphics cards, at least not yet. The main engines (Unity, UE4, Cry3, AnvilNext, and so on) all support HSA, so why hasn't Nvidia reel out the appropriate support yet? Nvidia's own Gameworks API doesn't have anything similar either.
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Don't care about Crysis 3 and GTA4, but you're wrong on modded Skyrim.

It's soooooooooooooooooo easy to run out of VRAM in Skyrim. 4GB can get you a noticeably nicer look of Skyrim's world(and women too, if you know what I mean laugh.gif ), but not at its utmost best. We're talking custom 4k resolutions WITH AA on top of it, and also adding custom quests that may come with their own mesh/texture assets which are all designed for ultra-high definition, with tweaked or added lighting and weather effects.
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QUOTE(chocobo7779 @ Jan 22 2015, 10:57 PM)
Well reviews are out... 

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/nvidia...x-960,4038.html

...and it's not particularly impressive, since you can get the R9 280/X for about the same money here... sweat.gif
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I personally feel the 960 isn't the worthy successor to GTX 760. The performance gain is measly, just like how GTX 560 compared to the GTX 460 last time. Which is sad really, because the *60 cards always brings the best-bang-for-buck factor to the table. Again the high local prices would pretty much hamper any good alternative this card would have brought. sweat.gif I would rather fork out a little more and go with the massively superior GTX 970. The power consumption is pretty impressive though.

I foresee Nvidia is going to harvest GM204 cores that doesn't make the cut into 970, and use it for the so-called GTX 960 Ti. biggrin.gif
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Couple of weeks back, the word is that the 8Gb variant of the GTX 980/970 is coming. But apparently still 256 bit BUS.

http://wccftech.com/nvidia-geforce-gtx-970...d-availability/

Btw, lol at TITAN-X btw, one of the most irrelevant GPUs at the moment imo. tongue.gif

GTX 960? Nahh.... for 1080p gaming, it'll work. But 4k? Not quite.
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At the moment, I'm glad I made the right choice and got the 970 the moment it's out. It's cheaper than now and it's definitely price/performance the best between 960/970/980.
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waiting 8GB VRAM announce. i wish to grab 1~
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QUOTE(ngkhanmein @ Jan 23 2015, 11:19 AM)
waiting 8GB VRAM announce. i wish to grab 1~
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no point grabbing 8GB if not in SLI and ultra hd resolution. tongue.gif
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QUOTE(Acid_RuleZz @ Jan 23 2015, 11:29 AM)
no point grabbing 8GB if not in SLI and ultra hd resolution. tongue.gif
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i goin for 4k ok wat. by the way, how's ur hp lappy? my lappy over-heating!

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QUOTE(rav3n82 @ Jan 23 2015, 09:27 AM)
I personally feel the 960 isn't the worthy successor to GTX 760. The performance gain is measly, just like how GTX 560 compared to the GTX 460 last time. Which is sad really, because the *60 cards always brings the best-bang-for-buck factor to the table. Again the high local prices would pretty much hamper any good alternative this card would have brought. sweat.gif I would rather fork out a little more and go with the massively superior GTX 970. The power consumption is pretty impressive though.

I foresee Nvidia is going to harvest GM204 cores that doesn't make the cut into 970, and use it for the so-called GTX 960 Ti. biggrin.gif
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If they decide to do that..i'm guessing the Ti will be priced close to the GTX970.. sweat.gif
So far,cheapest GTX970 is Zotac's at RM849,AMP! At RM949. tongue.gif

QUOTE(ngkhanmein @ Jan 23 2015, 11:39 AM)
i goin for 4k ok wat. by the way, how's ur hp lappy? my lappy over-heating!
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4K resolution with GTX970?It will struggle. tongue.gif
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QUOTE(Minecrafter @ Jan 23 2015, 03:35 PM)
If they decide to do that..i'm guessing the Ti will be priced close to the GTX970.. sweat.gif
So far,cheapest GTX970 is Zotac's at RM849,AMP! At RM949. tongue.gif
4K resolution with GTX970?It will struggle. tongue.gif
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bro GTX 960 doh.gif

i'm quite satisfied with my 1080p
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QUOTE(ngkhanmein @ Jan 23 2015, 04:01 PM)
bro GTX 960  doh.gif

i'm quite satisfied with my 1080p
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You should've mentioned in your post. biggrin.gif

That will also struggle at 4K TBH. sweat.gif
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QUOTE(Minecrafter @ Jan 23 2015, 04:09 PM)
You should've mentioned in your post. biggrin.gif

That will also struggle at 4K TBH. sweat.gif
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but future i really goin 4k so ok what
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hi guys,i am currently looking for GTX 970, which ones has LED illumination on the card ? Thanks !, and which Cooler Master Casing should i get, btw my PSU is only 550Watt
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QUOTE(pspslim007 @ Jan 23 2015, 05:50 PM)
hi guys,i am currently looking for GTX 970, which ones has LED illumination on the card ? Thanks !, and which Cooler Master Casing should i get, btw my PSU is only 550Watt
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I think the MSI GTX970 Gaming RM1499 has the LED thingy.
What is the brand and model of your PSU?

Casing?Budget tak ada,so i will suggest Storm Scout II... tongue.gif
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Just came back frm LYP. and saw the mythical Titan Z on the shelves at one of the shops. Anyone interested.....ha ha ?

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Anyone got any news about the VRAM issue of 970s?

I'm just reading it now. Haven't done any tests yet. Seems a lot of 970s will not used above 3.5GB RAM and your FPS will drop to a crawl if it goes above that.

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QUOTE(Minecrafter @ Jan 23 2015, 08:55 PM)
I think the MSI GTX970 Gaming RM1499 has the LED thingy.
What is the brand and model of your PSU?

Casing?Budget tak ada,so i will suggest Storm Scout II... tongue.gif
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ah ic, i am also quite interested in the Gold Edition @.@, btw i am using CM Semi Modular 550Watt. btw i heard that MSI can change the colour lighting ? no ? and i`ve also heard that gigabyte also do have Lighting =X
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QUOTE(pspslim007 @ Jan 24 2015, 02:44 AM)
ah ic, i am also quite interested in the Gold Edition @.@, btw i am using CM Semi Modular 550Watt. btw i heard that MSI can change the colour lighting ? no ? and i`ve also heard that gigabyte also do have Lighting =X
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Bro,the Gold Edition costs RM1699,might as well get an SSD.. icon_idea.gif
No,not just the modular and the watts it has,but the model of the PSU... tongue.gif

On that,i have no idea.

BTW,your A10-7850K will cause bottlenecking i think if you use GTX970. whistling.gif
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guys, I just got my gtx 980.

but im getting really low frames on battlefield 4, like <40.

this is some serious problem as the framerate is the same whether im on all low or ultra.

cpu is 4690k at 4.4ghz.

any help here?

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QUOTE(oldKyoo @ Jan 24 2015, 09:02 AM)
guys, I just got my gtx 980.

but im getting really low frames on battlefield 4, like <40.

this is some serious problem as the framerate is the same whether im on all low or ultra.

cpu is 4690k at 4.4ghz.

any help here?
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What resolution you're gaming at? Are you playing multiplayer games?
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QUOTE(rav3n82 @ Jan 24 2015, 10:19 AM)
What resolution you're gaming at? Are you playing multiplayer games?
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Hey, solved it by uninstalling the drivers and reinstalling.

thought i was rekted for that time
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Hello. I have a GTX560 and i5 2400. Just installed COD Advanced Warfare and ever since the intro part of the game, I experience stuttering of video playing and it couldn't even play properly T.T

I am asking if my 560 couldn't able to support CODAW? I can play other game well like AC Black Flag, Metro Last Light, Far Cry 3 etc. I have 4gb ram though.

And by any chance what's the best upgrade in order to replace my 560?

Thanks and have a good day smile.gif
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alright guys and sifu~

too long i have been away this thread..

so let's me start it..want opinions and suggestions

i want use green camp card so i need any explanation about this 3 cards

GTX 780ti
GTX 970
GTX 980

so i'm headache to choose..so help me cause i use this card for a long term

maybe 2-3 years

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QUOTE(FirstAidKit @ Jan 24 2015, 12:10 PM)
Hello. I have a GTX560 and i5 2400. Just installed COD Advanced Warfare and ever since the intro part of the game, I experience stuttering of video playing and it couldn't even play properly T.T

I am asking if my 560 couldn't able to support CODAW? I can play other game well like AC Black Flag, Metro Last Light, Far Cry 3 etc. I have 4gb ram though.

And by any chance what's the best upgrade in order to replace my 560?

Thanks and have a good day smile.gif
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About CoD AW,i've no idea.Recommended GPU is GTX760 for it.
http://store.steampowered.com/app/209650/

Best upgrade?Depends on budget. tongue.gif

QUOTE(primaroti @ Jan 24 2015, 03:09 PM)
alright guys and sifu~

too long i have been away this thread..

so let's me start it..want opinions and suggestions

i want use green camp card so i need any explanation about this 3 cards

GTX 780ti
GTX 970
GTX 980

so i'm headache to choose..so help me cause i use this card for a long term

maybe 2-3 years
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I'd get the GTX970. wink.gif Mind telling us your rig specs? hmm.gif

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QUOTE(Minecrafter @ Jan 24 2015, 03:16 PM)
Best upgrade?Depends on budget. tongue.gif
I'd get the GTX970. wink.gif Mind telling us your rig specs? hmm.gif

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opss sorry..forgot to stated it

intel i5 4670K
8gb ram
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msi z87 gd65 gaming
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hi,

my Leadktek GTX 670 shown some strange thing lately.
the temperature is spiking to 90-100c when in game (watchdogs,far cry 4,fifa 15 and dragon age)

i thought my normal load temp around 75-80c.

idle temp is 40-45c.

i already assemble it, clear dust and replace new thermal.
but still the same.

i dont't OC it.

does my GC went bad?
PSU faulty?

i bought it in 2012. cry.gif rclxub.gif

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QUOTE(Minecrafter @ Jan 24 2015, 07:28 AM)
Bro,the Gold Edition costs RM1699,might as well get an SSD.. icon_idea.gif
No,not just the modular and the watts it has,but the model of the PSU... tongue.gif

On that,i have no idea.

BTW,your A10-7850K will cause bottlenecking i think if you use GTX970. whistling.gif
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hi i am using http://apac.coolermaster.com/en/product/De...ries/g550m.html << PSU, and what u mean SSD ? u mean solid state ? =X
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QUOTE(primaroti @ Jan 24 2015, 03:21 PM)
opss sorry..forgot to stated it

intel i5 4670K
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msi z87 gd65 gaming
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The brand and model of the PSU?In case it's cap ayam. biggrin.gif

QUOTE(pspslim007 @ Jan 24 2015, 03:41 PM)
hi i am using http://apac.coolermaster.com/en/product/De...ries/g550m.html << PSU, and what u mean SSD ? u mean solid state ? =X
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Should be fine,would advise you to get a better PSU in the future. tongue.gif
Solid State Drive. wink.gif

You will notice performance increase,but like what i said earlier,APU may cause bottleneck.
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QUOTE(primaroti @ Jan 24 2015, 03:09 PM)
alright guys and sifu~

too long i have been away this thread..

so let's me start it..want opinions and suggestions

i want use green camp card so i need any explanation about this 3 cards

GTX 780ti
GTX 970
GTX 980

so i'm headache to choose..so help me cause i use this card for a long term

maybe 2-3 years
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There seems to be a memory allocation bug with 970: http://www.overclock.net/t/1537596/lazygam...-allocation-bug

The 980 seems to use its vram fine.
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QUOTE(FirstAidKit @ Jan 24 2015, 12:10 PM)
Hello. I have a GTX560 and i5 2400. Just installed COD Advanced Warfare and ever since the intro part of the game, I experience stuttering of video playing and it couldn't even play properly T.T

I am asking if my 560 couldn't able to support CODAW? I can play other game well like AC Black Flag, Metro Last Light, Far Cry 3 etc. I have 4gb ram though.

And by any chance what's the best upgrade in order to replace my 560?

Thanks and have a good day smile.gif
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Those games chew quite a lot of vram especially in high settings. The 560 has only 1GB of vram , so yeah it will stutter once it goes pass the 1GB mark. Try lower your settings and resolution , monitor the vram usage during ingame using msi afterburner.

Adding another of 4GB for the RAM would also help.
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QUOTE(Minecrafter @ Jan 24 2015, 03:55 PM)
The brand and model of the PSU?In case it's cap ayam. biggrin.gif
Should be fine,would advise you to get a better PSU in the future. tongue.gif
Solid State Drive. wink.gif
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my PSU is Corsair TX 750 watt V1
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QUOTE(alfiejr @ Jan 24 2015, 04:11 PM)
The 980 seems to use its vram fine.
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i see..so someone suggest me 980..anyone?
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QUOTE(primaroti @ Jan 24 2015, 04:25 PM)
i see..so someone suggest me 980..anyone?
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this looks nice tongue.gif http://www.lelong.com.my/gainward-gtx980-p...6-01-Sale-P.htm
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QUOTE(alfiejr @ Jan 24 2015, 04:11 PM)
There seems to be a memory allocation bug with 970: http://www.overclock.net/t/1537596/lazygam...-allocation-bug

The 980 seems to use its vram fine.
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Been talking about this several pages back. I think it's a hardware issue, but I cannot be sure since technically the VRAM is tied to the SMM count where the 970 has lower than the 980. The thing is, going back to the first release driver (344.11/.16), the VRAM allocation is indeed better than the latest R346 branch of drivers. I can confirm this as can those on OCN and G3D.

So... yeah, Nvidia is "looking" into this issue now.

To be honest, the 970/980 should never have been a 256bit card.
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QUOTE(oldKyoo @ Jan 24 2015, 09:02 AM)
guys, I just got my gtx 980.

but im getting really low frames on battlefield 4, like <40.

this is some serious problem as the framerate is the same whether im on all low or ultra.

cpu is 4690k at 4.4ghz.

any help here?
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Can you open GPU-Z/Afterburner/any other monitoring tool to see if your card is being voltage/temp throttled? It's a common issue that's been plaguing Maxwell cards (boost 2.0 idiocy from nvidia).
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QUOTE(THE ZUL @ Jan 24 2015, 03:39 PM)
hi,

my Leadktek GTX 670 shown some strange thing lately.
the temperature is spiking to 90-100c when in game (watchdogs,far cry 4,fifa 15 and dragon age)

i thought my normal load temp around 75-80c.

idle temp is 40-45c.

i already assemble it, clear dust and replace new thermal.
but still the same.

i dont't OC it.

does my GC went bad?
PSU faulty?

i bought it in 2012.  cry.gif  rclxub.gif
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get one of those GPU monitor software, change the fan curve as you desire then run a game. check if the temperature reach over the 80C limit again

i think this is one of those case where the card just isnt cooled properly
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does any1 of 970 owners ever experienced this:

http://www.techpowerup.com/209205/geforce-...-gb-report.html


http://www.guru3d.com/news-story/does-the-...cation-bug.html


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QUOTE(yhsiau @ Jan 24 2015, 09:35 PM)
You're 2 weeks late.


Anyways, it's official: the 970 has a segegration of 3.5GB and 0.5GB VRAM allocation. This confirmed the speculation and it's why the 970 drops performance drastically when it goes above 3.5GB of VRAM.

Here's Nvidia's say: http://www.pcper.com/news/Graphics-Cards/N...GB-Memory-Issue

I call BS on their testing though. The perf drop between the 970 and 980 going over 3.5GB is actually more drastic than "1% or 3%".
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woah ohmy.gif rclxub.gif

i waiting next gen and staying put with GTX770 a little longer laugh.gif rclxms.gif
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rclxub.gif So is the VRAM allocation issue a hardware fault, or a software bug? rclxub.gif
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QUOTE(chocobo7779 @ Jan 25 2015, 09:32 AM)
rclxub.gif  So is the VRAM allocation issue a hardware fault, or a software bug? rclxub.gif
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Gigabyte released a new bios for their GTX970 lineup that fixed the issue, one guy confirmed it last time i checked.
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QUOTE(Acid_RuleZz @ Jan 25 2015, 09:37 AM)
Gigabyte released a new bios for their GTX970 lineup that fixed the issue, one guy confirmed it last time i checked.
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Well, that's OK I think... If it's a hardware fault then those early adopters are going to get messed up... sweat.gif
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QUOTE(chocobo7779 @ Jan 25 2015, 09:38 AM)
Well, that's OK I think...  If it's a hardware fault then those early adopters are going to get messed up... sweat.gif
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More of a design decision than hardware fault to me. That's why the 970 is freaking cheaper compare to 980.
I read some comments that this also happened to the 550s and 660s.

Meanwhile, Inno3D is going to release the 4GB GTX960 in March.

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QUOTE(Acid_RuleZz @ Jan 25 2015, 09:44 AM)
More of a design decision than hardware fault to me. That's why the 970 is freaking cheaper compare to 980.
I read some comments that this also happened to the 550s and 660s.

Meanwhile, Inno3D is going to release the 4GB GTX960 in March.

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Are theyr high on green weed or something..i bet the 4GB woll be priced reeeeally close or more than the cheapest Gtx970.. doh.gif
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QUOTE(Minecrafter @ Jan 25 2015, 10:04 AM)
Are theyr high on green weed or something..i bet the 4GB woll be priced reeeeally close or more than the cheapest Gtx970.. doh.gif
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I reckon 960 price will probably drop in a month or 2. blush.gif
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QUOTE(Acid_RuleZz @ Jan 25 2015, 10:13 AM)
I reckon 960 price will probably drop in a month or 2.  blush.gif
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QUOTE(Minecrafter @ Jan 25 2015, 10:32 AM)
Around RM800 is better,but most of the 960s so far are overpriced.. doh.gif
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Best if RM600-RM700, then will be good replacement for the Radeon 270X

Dunno why the company is slapping two fan or triple fan coolers. Single fan coolers will work fine with the low TDP and can lower the prices of the card

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Best if RM600-RM700, then will be good replacement for the Radeon 270X

Dunno why the company is slapping two fan or triple fan coolers. Single fan coolers will work fine with the low TDP and can lower the prices of the card
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Yeah right?Maybe just to rake in some money.. whistling.gif
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nVidia's statement on the issue:

http://www.anandtech.com/show/8931/nvidia-...mory-allocation
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woah ohmy.gif rclxub.gif

i waiting next gen and staying put with GTX770 a little longer laugh.gif rclxms.gif
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QUOTE(Acid_RuleZz @ Jan 25 2015, 09:37 AM)
Gigabyte released a new bios for their GTX970 lineup that fixed the issue, one guy confirmed it last time i checked.
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Who is this "user"? AFAIK, the Gigabyte club at OCN are still complaining about the VRAM issue on their G1 after the latest BIOS. Of which not only didn't fix anything, but actually increased the base voltage as well.
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QUOTE(ainuddin @ Jan 25 2015, 11:57 AM)
i myself still stuck at 680 bro. not much gaming at all so dont even know what gpu/cpu stuff lately coming out.  rclxub.gif  rclxub.gif  rclxub.gif
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CPU better buy xeon or the i7 haswell non-refresh laugh.gif

fk the broadwell and skylake...i wait until hair white already still no successor 4 the haswell argh vmad.gif this coming from my i5 750

GPU better wait 4 the maxwell successor rclxms.gif i might consider buying single FLAGSHIP

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CPU better buy xeon or the i7 haswell non-refresh laugh.gif

fk the broadwell and skylake...i wait until hair white already still no successor 4 the haswell argh vmad.gif this coming from my i5 750

GPU better wait 4 the maxwell successor rclxms.gif i might consider buying single FLAGSHIP

i sien already in 2 grabbing value 4 money range hahahaha yawn.gif
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i mau buy ps4 better. lelelel. brows.gif  laugh.gif
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QUOTE(SSJBen @ Jan 25 2015, 01:21 PM)
Who is this "user"? AFAIK, the Gigabyte club at OCN are still complaining about the VRAM issue on their G1 after the latest BIOS. Of which not only didn't fix anything, but actually increased the base voltage as well.
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I'm not sure if he know what he's doing. laugh.gif

https://forums.geforce.com/default/topic/80...432322/#4432322
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weird leadtek haven't release any bios at all..
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QUOTE(Acid_RuleZz @ Jan 25 2015, 01:34 PM)
I'm not sure if he know what he's doing. laugh.gif

https://forums.geforce.com/default/topic/80...432322/#4432322
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Just checked IdealTech's FB..Leadtek GTX960 at RM759,that's more like it.

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So do we still recommend the 970? Since the VRAM issue seems to be pointing out to be a hardware issue. sweat.gif

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So do we still recommend the 970?  Since the VRAM issue seems to be pointing out to be a hardware issue. sweat.gif
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advise them not to go GTX970 first until problem is resolved

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So what alternatives are available? sweat.gif
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So what alternatives are available? sweat.gif
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i think we can still recommend GTX970 la, but let the fella know the possible issue of VRAM? hmm.gif
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R9 290 biggrin.gif

i think we can still recommend GTX970 la, but let the fella know the possible issue of VRAM? hmm.gif
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So do we still recommend the 970?  Since the VRAM issue seems to be pointing out to be a hardware issue. sweat.gif
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Well, end of the day, the 970 is still faster than the 780 and R9 290. This is a fact that won't changed, even if a game takes up more than 3.5GB of VRAM. The latest AMD Omega driver did close the gap a little bit and if there are mroe games making use of Mantle in the near future, we could potentially see the 290 to come quite close to the 970 and probably even equalling it in a VRAM intensive game.

Best case scenario is not to buy anything right now. Prices has increased (I just got another MSI 970 for SLI for RM1430 so that's still a decent deal considering the MSI 970 released at RM1.5k a few months ago).

Note: The 970 will indeed start to drop frames like crazy if VRAM allocation goes above 3.5GB. You don't even have to try a game, just open up Kombuster and run the 4GB VRAM stress test then compare it with the 3GB, the frames are nearly double on the latter.

On another side note, I think this is why Nvidia didn't push for 3GB of VRAM on the 960. That puny 128bit bus would have bottlenecked like crazy.
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Hello guys, anyone know where can i buy MSI 970 Gold Edition ?
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Hello guys, anyone know where can i buy MSI 970 Gold Edition ?
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QUOTE(SSJBen @ Jan 25 2015, 06:31 PM)
Well, end of the day, the 970 is still faster than the 780 and R9 290. This is a fact that won't changed, even if a game takes up more than 3.5GB of VRAM. The latest AMD Omega driver did close the gap a little bit and if there are mroe games making use of Mantle in the near future, we could potentially see the 290 to come quite close to the 970 and probably even equalling it in a VRAM intensive game.

Best case scenario is not to buy anything right now. Prices has increased (I just got another MSI 970 for SLI for RM1430 so that's still a decent deal considering the MSI 970 released at RM1.5k a few months ago).

Note: The 970 will indeed start to drop frames like crazy if VRAM allocation goes above 3.5GB. You don't even have to try a game, just open up Kombuster and run the 4GB VRAM stress test then compare it with the 3GB, the frames are nearly double on the latter.

On another side note, I think this is why Nvidia didn't push for 3GB of VRAM on the 960. That puny 128bit bus would have bottlenecked like crazy.
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Erm... for the price of a custom 970, I could get a 290X Lightning... brows.gif

BTW, this is borderline shady and may be classified as false advertising. sweat.gif

...and apparently users are taking out their pitchforks... sweat.gif

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QUOTE(SSJBen @ Jan 25 2015, 06:31 PM)
Well, end of the day, the 970 is still faster than the 780 and R9 290. This is a fact that won't changed, even if a game takes up more than 3.5GB of VRAM. The latest AMD Omega driver did close the gap a little bit and if there are mroe games making use of Mantle in the near future, we could potentially see the 290 to come quite close to the 970 and probably even equalling it in a VRAM intensive game.

Best case scenario is not to buy anything right now. Prices has increased (I just got another MSI 970 for SLI for RM1430 so that's still a decent deal considering the MSI 970 released at RM1.5k a few months ago).

Note: The 970 will indeed start to drop frames like crazy if VRAM allocation goes above 3.5GB. You don't even have to try a game, just open up Kombuster and run the 4GB VRAM stress test then compare it with the 3GB, the frames are nearly double on the latter.

On another side note, I think this is why Nvidia didn't push for 3GB of VRAM on the 960. That puny 128bit bus would have bottlenecked like crazy.
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3GB = definitely a problem.

But GTX960 can address 4GB without issue as long as it use four 1GB GDDR5 chips.
The timing is very suspicious as Samsung recently announced production of 1GB GDDR5 chip few weeks ago.


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always said VRAM no important but now 3.5GB kpkb at here. amd fanboy just buy amd if u're poorfag.
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easily more than 10k this fuking build brows.gif



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QUOTE(skylinelover @ Jan 25 2015, 09:22 PM)
be inspired drool.gif  rclxm9.gif

dream PC 4 all yer mofos flex.gif

easily more than 10k this fuking build brows.gif



i7 5820k
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Since when Haswell-E and geforce considered as workstation? doh.gif

Workstation computer uses Xeon and Quadro la
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QUOTE(JohnLai @ Jan 25 2015, 07:25 PM)
3GB = definitely a problem.

But GTX960 can address 4GB without issue as long as it use four 1GB GDDR5 chips.
The timing is very suspicious as Samsung recently announced production of 1GB GDDR5 chip few weeks ago.
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No. The 960 will have issues using 4GB of VRAM even if it's using only 4 modules. Problem isn't how many VRAM chips are on the board, is how the allocation is done.



QUOTE(skylinelover @ Jan 25 2015, 09:22 PM)
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easily more than 10k this fuking build brows.gif



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That's honestly a stupid build. Spend more than 10k but no custom WC setup and use cheapo CLC? doh.gif
Using a laser sensor mouse? M50x as a headphone just because..?

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I'm not surprised... beuatiful chick + wtf build = view hoarder only tongue.gif
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QUOTE(SSJBen @ Jan 25 2015, 10:18 PM)
No. The 960 will have issues using 4GB of VRAM even if it's using only 4 modules. Problem isn't how many VRAM chips are on the board, is how the allocation is done.
That's honestly a stupid build. Spend more than 10k but no custom WC setup and use cheapo CLC? doh.gif
Using a laser sensor mouse? M50x as a headphone just because..?

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Nope, as long as it is 4 modules, there will be no allocation issue.

Have a look on GTX 960 high level diagram.
All SMM units have proper access to memory controller. A true 128bit width.
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QUOTE(chocobo7779 @ Jan 25 2015, 05:32 PM)
Though wasn't that this is pretty much confirmed unless nVidia issues a fix/recall? hmm.gif
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Nvidia is taking a look at the issue

so well have to wait to see what is their verdict

QUOTE(terradrive @ Jan 25 2015, 10:16 PM)
Since when Haswell-E and geforce considered as workstation?  doh.gif

Workstation computer uses Xeon and Quadro la
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QUOTE(marfccy @ Jan 25 2015, 11:23 PM)
Nvidia is taking a look at the issue

so well have to wait to see what is their verdict

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They already have a verdict; the 970 has a gimped 0.5GB of VRAM and in comparison to the 980, the performance drop according to their "testing" is only between 1-4%. doh.gif

Yeah. yawn.gif
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QUOTE(SSJBen @ Jan 26 2015, 01:34 AM)
They already have a verdict; the 970 has a gimped 0.5GB of VRAM and in comparison to the 980, the performance drop according to their "testing" is only between 1-4%. doh.gif

Yeah. yawn.gif
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i still have a feeling they accidentally cut off too much when they were cutting down on the GM204 chip laugh.gif
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QUOTE(marfccy @ Jan 26 2015, 02:08 AM)
i still have a feeling they accidentally cut off too much when they were cutting down on the GM204 chip laugh.gif
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Isn't everyone shouting 970 the best price over performance? Never before happened?

Well now we know why it is cheap.
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QUOTE(SSJBen @ Jan 26 2015, 01:34 AM)
They already have a verdict; the 970 has a gimped 0.5GB of VRAM and in comparison to the 980, the performance drop according to their "testing" is only between 1-4%. doh.gif

Yeah. yawn.gif
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Regarding MSI Kombustor Memory Burner testing, is it reliable? My 7950 get 12-ish fps when i use 3GB test but 90-ish fps with 2GB test.
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Well, someone managed to chat with nVidia's support....

Meanwhile at Nvidia (a chat from a forum user):

[10:11:39 PM] NV Chat: We have our entire team working on this issue with a high priority. This will soon be fixed for sure.
[10:11:54 PM] Me: So, what is the issue?
[10:12:07 PM] Me: What needs to be fixed?
[10:12:46 PM] NV Chat: We are not sure on that. We are still yet to find the cause of this issue.
[10:12:50 PM] NV Chat: Our team is working on it.


Either this boils down to:

1. Drivers
2. VBIOS
3. GPU hardware itself

If the drivers and the VBIOS are to be blamed, then this is probably a small issue, since they can always update the drivers and the VBIOS. If the GPU itself is the culprit, well.... sweat.gif
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QUOTE(gogo2 @ Jan 26 2015, 06:41 AM)
Isn't everyone shouting 970 the best price over performance? Never before happened?

Well now we know why it is cheap.
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Well, I'm definitely one of them. Still think it's working perfectly for me though. Am able to max out everything thrown at it. Not a multi-mon or 4k gamer here. So, perhaps this ram-gate thingy doesn't apply to me. sweat.gif
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QUOTE(antaras @ Jan 26 2015, 10:34 AM)
Well, I'm definitely one of them. Still think it's working perfectly for me though. Am able to max out everything thrown at it. Not a multi-mon or 4k gamer here. So, perhaps this ram-gate thingy doesn't apply to me.  sweat.gif
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The problem is the principle itself...

Why would they label their 970s as a 4GB card when it can access 3.5GB of them without ending up in massive drops in memory bandwidth? sweat.gif
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Yeah... true... more like false advertising or just plain CON job. Then again, I'm not complaining at the moment.
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Yeah... true... more like false advertising or just plain CON job. Then again, I'm not complaining at the moment.
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Don't worry. nVidia will flash your GTX970 bios to enable all SMM. Your GTX970 will become GTX980. rclxm9.gif

Pay for GTX970. Get GTX980. rclxms.gif

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QUOTE(gogo2 @ Jan 26 2015, 12:19 PM)
Don't worry. nVidia will flash your GTX970 bios to enable all SMM. Your GTX970 will become GTX980.  rclxm9.gif

Pay for GTX970. Get GTX980.  rclxms.gif
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Well, bloody hell... if that's true... then thanks in advance. heh~
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QUOTE(antaras @ Jan 26 2015, 01:37 PM)
Well, bloody hell... if that's true... then thanks in advance. heh~
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I think it will. You know many US people wanna sue nVidia. nVidia will crap out and send out a new firmware to enable all GTX980 feature in GTX970. rclxms.gif




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QUOTE(gogo2 @ Jan 26 2015, 01:45 PM)
I think it will. You know many US people wanna sue nVidia. nVidia will crap out and send out a new firmware to enable all GTX980 feature in GTX970.  rclxms.gif
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Great! Am gonna start a party real soon for this. Let see, who should be in the list... hmm.gif
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QUOTE(gogo2 @ Jan 26 2015, 12:19 PM)
Don't worry. nVidia will flash your GTX970 bios to enable all SMM. Your GTX970 will become GTX980.  rclxm9.gif

Pay for GTX970. Get GTX980.  rclxms.gif
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if that happens i go quick buy another one haha tongue.gif , but yeah a bios update would be nice.
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QUOTE(Acid_RuleZz @ Jan 26 2015, 10:13 AM)
Regarding MSI Kombustor Memory Burner testing, is it reliable? My 7950 get 12-ish fps when i use 3GB test but 90-ish fps with 2GB test.
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Not really reliable, but it's a general idea. The Nai benchmark is also bugged, so all the testing that was done in the last week was wrong too.

I still think the best way to test VRAM (for now) is to use Shadow of Mordor or Skyrim at 4k downsampling with 8k texture mods.


QUOTE(gogo2 @ Jan 26 2015, 12:19 PM)
Don't worry. nVidia will flash your GTX970 bios to enable all SMM. Your GTX970 will become GTX980.  rclxm9.gif

Pay for GTX970. Get GTX980.  rclxms.gif
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Best case scenario, lol! rclxms.gif
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QUOTE(SSJBen @ Jan 26 2015, 04:00 PM)
Not really reliable, but it's a general idea. The Nai benchmark is also bugged, so all the testing that was done in the last week was wrong too.

I still think the best way to test VRAM (for now) is to use Shadow of Mordor or Skyrim at 4k downsampling with 8k texture mods.
Best case scenario, lol! rclxms.gif
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If Nai benchmark is bugged, then why GTX980 doesn't have the gimped memory bandwidth problem?
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QUOTE(terradrive @ Jan 26 2015, 05:04 PM)
If Nai benchmark is bugged, then why GTX980 doesn't have the gimped memory bandwidth problem?
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That's because the 980 has more SMM than the 970. The 980 will always have a higher memory bandwidth, with or without the VRAM issue on the 970. The reason why it is bugged is that because Nai's benchmark only uses up to 3GB of VRAM effectively, not 3.5.

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I think the best way to check is to run some games that pushes to 4GB VRAM and check for stutters compared to GTX 980.

FPS data means nothing because the stutters happened fast but the average framerate aren't affected that much. But the same stutter hampers gameplay.
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QUOTE(gogo2 @ Jan 26 2015, 12:19 PM)
Don't worry. nVidia will flash your GTX970 bios to enable all SMM. Your GTX970 will become GTX980.  rclxm9.gif

Pay for GTX970. Get GTX980.  rclxms.gif
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sweat.gif If they do this, then GTX980 owners gonna sue them.....
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QUOTE(JohnLai @ Jan 26 2015, 07:53 PM)
sweat.gif  If they do this, then GTX980 owners gonna sue them.....
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NVidia can release a firmware to flash gtx 980 to 970... ohwai....
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QUOTE(gogo2 @ Jan 26 2015, 09:02 PM)
NVidia can release a firmware to flash gtx 980 to 970... ohwai....
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Or even a free trade-in to a possible GTX980Ti.. biggrin.gif
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Ai yo yo, you two ar...... doh.gif Trolling mode ar....

Don't forgot SMM unit connection may be disabled by laser cut.


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QUOTE(JohnLai @ Jan 26 2015, 10:02 PM)
Ai yo yo, you two ar......  doh.gif  Trolling mode ar....

Don't forgot SMM unit connection may be disabled by laser cut.
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Impossible. You can't cut a feature using laser. That is so ridiculous.
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QUOTE(terradrive @ Jan 26 2015, 05:24 PM)
I think the best way to check is to run some games that pushes to 4GB VRAM and check for stutters compared to GTX 980.

FPS data means nothing because the stutters happened fast but the average framerate aren't affected that much. But the same stutter hampers gameplay.
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Yes, this is why FCAT should be used more often. Reviewers just got lazy and went back to the old FRAPS/in-game OSD method.

There are also a few reviewers who aren't posting legit 970 reviews. They simply cut down the numbers from their 980 scores and with some maths, come up with a theoretical chart. doh.gif
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Hahaha... Both of them in year end trolling mood... So, now we all get the correct information, what can we end users do? Before some idiot come up with an ass of an answer, I generally think there's nothing much we can do.
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woah so many gate incident lately laugh.gif doh.gif more reason 2 stick with 770 in 4 another year laugh.gif rclxms.gif
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Updated info regarding GTX970 memory issue courtesy of Anandtech
http://www.anandtech.com/show/8935/geforce...mory-allocation
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http://wccftech.com/nvidia-geforce-gtx-970...rns-56-rops-64/

Another response by nVidia... so the VRAM issue is pretty much by design and cannot be fixed... sweat.gif doh.gif
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Damage control - Blame the marketing team.
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Damage control - Blame the marketing team.
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Unless Marketing Team wrote the BIOS to display to CPU Z brows.gif

Or nVidia can blame Asus/MSI/etc for writing wrong spec inside BIOS. laugh.gif
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another write up... from Guru3D
http://www.guru3d.com/news-story/does-the-...cation-bug.html
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QUOTE(gogo2 @ Jan 27 2015, 10:45 AM)
Unless Marketing Team wrote the BIOS to display to CPU Z  brows.gif

Or nVidia can blame Asus/MSI/etc for writing wrong spec inside BIOS.  laugh.gif
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...and the GeForce forums is literally in chaos right now... whistling.gif sweat.gif
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On another note, anyone with issues with DP giving out "no signal" to the monitor? I need to reset the damn thing every time in order to view anything at all. HDMI is not b****ing though. Anyway, only happen on startup.
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QUOTE(antaras @ Jan 27 2015, 12:10 PM)
On another note, anyone with issues with DP giving out "no signal" to the monitor? I need to reset the damn thing every time in order to view anything at all. HDMI is not b****ing though. Anyway, only happen on startup.
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Here a bad news with solution for you.
https://forums.geforce.com/default/topic/77...376386/#4376386
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QUOTE(JohnLai @ Jan 27 2015, 12:13 PM)
Holy macaroni... that's one whole big pile of text to read... ohmy.gif
okay... basically I'm screwed with the damn DP now. Will try and uninstall GeForce Experience and see if it helps or not.
Anyway, thanks for the link. smile.gif
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Well,due to the vRAM thingy with the GTX970,are we gonna still recommend it? hmm.gif sweat.gif

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QUOTE(Minecrafter @ Jan 27 2015, 03:31 PM)
Well,due to the vRAM issue of GTX970,are we gonna still recommend it,though? hmm.gif
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depends if you're a fanboi or not. If you're fanboi, just recommend it.

Else, just recommend 290x 8GB so that everyone can play console port game safely.
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QUOTE(gogo2 @ Jan 27 2015, 03:32 PM)
depends if you're a fanboi or not. If you're fanboi, just recommend it.

Else, just recommend 290x 8GB so that everyone can play console port game safely.
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8GB?Well,if you're playing on 1440p or higher,then i'd say go for it,but 1080p,just stick with 4GB and grab an SSD. biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(antaras @ Jan 27 2015, 01:53 PM)
Holy macaroni... that's one whole big pile of text to read...  ohmy.gif
okay... basically I'm screwed with the damn DP now. Will try and uninstall GeForce Experience and see if it helps or not.
Anyway, thanks for the link.  smile.gif
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Eh? What do you mean? rclxub.gif

The actual solution = update your GPU VBIOS.....But this will depend whether your particular AIB(Asus, Gigabyte, MSI) release new VBIOS to address this particular issue.....
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QUOTE(gogo2 @ Jan 27 2015, 03:32 PM)
depends if you're a fanboi or not. If you're fanboi, just recommend it.

Else, just recommend 290x 8GB so that everyone can play console port game safely.
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r u sure really 8GB vram on 290x? hmm.gif
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QUOTE(JohnLai @ Jan 27 2015, 04:00 PM)
Eh? What do you mean?  rclxub.gif

The actual solution = update your GPU VBIOS.....But this will depend whether your particular AIB(Asus, Gigabyte, MSI) release new VBIOS to address this particular issue.....
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Yes, I read that part too... but some say the problem still persist. Then there's that "solution" I mentioned. Will try that 1st, since it's working for "someone". If still no go, then will do the bios thingy. Thanks. smile.gif
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QUOTE(ngkhanmein @ Jan 27 2015, 04:15 PM)
r u sure really 8GB vram on 290x? hmm.gif
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Yup, Techview selling them... Sapphire R9 290X VAPOR 8GB GDDR5 512B RM 1679.00
https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/3341641
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This recent "scandal" will make my switch to Red team even more easier.
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QUOTE(ngkhanmein @ Jan 27 2015, 04:15 PM)
r u sure really 8GB vram on 290x? hmm.gif
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Kitguru;
http://www.kitguru.net/components/graphic-...wing-a-scandal/

"According to a report by PCPerspective, which cites Jonah Alben, senior vice president of GPU engineering at Nvidia, the GeForce GTX 970 features 56 raster operating pipelines (ROPs) and 1792KB L2 cache, not 64 ROPs and 2MB of cache, as previously reported. In a GeForce GTX 980, each block of L2/ROPs directly communicate through a 32-bit portion of the GM204 memory interface and then to a 512MB section of on-board memory. Since the model GTX 970 lacks part of L2 and ROPs, it cannot effectively use 512MB of 4096MB of onboard GDDR5 memory."

lol I believe even in GPU-Z your GTX970's show 64 ROPs yes? Nvidia did some big con job this time.

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QUOTE(raydenex @ Jan 27 2015, 06:20 PM)
Kitguru;
http://www.kitguru.net/components/graphic-...wing-a-scandal/

"According to a report by PCPerspective, which cites Jonah Alben, senior vice president of GPU engineering at Nvidia, the GeForce GTX 970 features 56 raster operating pipelines (ROPs) and 1792KB L2 cache, not 64 ROPs and 2MB of cache, as previously reported. In a GeForce GTX 980, each block of L2/ROPs directly communicate through a 32-bit portion of the GM204 memory interface and then to a 512MB section of on-board memory. Since the model GTX 970 lacks part of L2 and ROPs, it cannot effectively use 512MB of 4096MB of onboard GDDR5 memory."

lol I believe even in GPU-Z your GTX970's show 64 ROPs yes? Nvidia did some big con job this time.
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This con job have covered over the fact that GTX970 has the worst coil whine in the history of graphic card. sweat.gif
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QUOTE(gogo2 @ Jan 27 2015, 06:30 PM)
This con job have covered over the fact that GTX970 has the worst coil whine in the history of graphic card.  sweat.gif
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Like seriously?
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Like seriously?
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well, isn't that everyone talking about since GTX970 appear in the market? Eventhough it might not be full truth, but the whiners about coil whine make it like the worst thing ever happened to a graphic card..... sweat.gif

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QUOTE(antaras @ Jan 27 2015, 06:31 PM)
Like seriously?
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QUOTE(gogo2 @ Jan 27 2015, 06:34 PM)
well, isn't that everyone talking about since GTX970 appear in the market? Eventhough it might not be full truth, but the whiners about coil whine make it like the worst thing ever happened to a graphic card.....  sweat.gif
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PSU is also one of the factors of coil whine,i think. hmm.gif
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QUOTE(gogo2 @ Jan 27 2015, 06:34 PM)
well, isn't that everyone talking about since GTX970 appear in the market? Eventhough it might not be full truth, but the whiners about coil whine make it like the worst thing ever happened to a graphic card.....  sweat.gif
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yup, in geforce forum , you can see a lot of complaints about it.
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Nvidia should've sold this card with 3.5GB VRAM in the first place.
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QUOTE(antaras @ Jan 27 2015, 06:31 PM)
Like seriously?
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yes, seriously. It's quite bad.

Having the problem myself with my 970
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I'm pretty sure a lot of nVidia users are ready to jump ship into AMD after this scandal... sweat.gif shocking.gif
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QUOTE(terradrive @ Jan 27 2015, 07:08 PM)
Nvidia should've sold this card with 3.5GB VRAM in the first place.
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The funny thing is.. they could've advertised the GTX970 with 3.5gb VRAM and people would have STILL bought it and say what a wonderful price to performance ratio the card is.
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To make it worst.....they actually 'mistated' the ROP counts........
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QUOTE(chocobo7779 @ Jan 27 2015, 08:17 PM)
I'm pretty sure a lot of nVidia users are ready to jump ship into AMD after this scandal... sweat.gif shocking.gif
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hmm bro, for many switching between red and green is a routine every few months or few years, although this time would be rather funny seeing that many reds jumped to green for the GTX970, and for the same reason/card those who are pissed may jump back to red camp. Hilarious.
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im still lovin my gtx970 even if i was conned 512mb of vram lol
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A video discussion from PCPER to better understand the issue.
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QUOTE(raydenex @ Jan 27 2015, 06:20 PM)
Kitguru;
http://www.kitguru.net/components/graphic-...wing-a-scandal/

"According to a report by PCPerspective, which cites Jonah Alben, senior vice president of GPU engineering at Nvidia, the GeForce GTX 970 features 56 raster operating pipelines (ROPs) and 1792KB L2 cache, not 64 ROPs and 2MB of cache, as previously reported. In a GeForce GTX 980, each block of L2/ROPs directly communicate through a 32-bit portion of the GM204 memory interface and then to a 512MB section of on-board memory. Since the model GTX 970 lacks part of L2 and ROPs, it cannot effectively use 512MB of 4096MB of onboard GDDR5 memory."

lol I believe even in GPU-Z your GTX970's show 64 ROPs yes? Nvidia did some big con job this time.
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but ur 980 no this vram thingy so is ok la.. just move on. hope can refund.
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QUOTE(gogo2 @ Jan 27 2015, 06:30 PM)
This con job have covered over the fact that GTX970 has the worst coil whine in the history of graphic card.  sweat.gif
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I don't know about that actually being true... but I had a 290 and it was way worse than my MSI 970 Gaming and Gold editions.

I think the reason why there are so much more reports on coil whine with the 970 is more due to the fact that this is Nvidia's best selling card since the 8800GT. Every single x70 series card prior had coil whine too btw. sweat.gif
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QUOTE(raydenex @ Jan 27 2015, 09:02 PM)
The funny thing is.. they could've advertised the GTX970 with 3.5gb VRAM and people would have STILL bought it and say what a wonderful price to performance ratio the card is.
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QUOTE(JohnLai @ Jan 27 2015, 09:04 PM)
To make it worst.....they actually 'mistated' the ROP counts........
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This. +100000000000

If they actually came clean in the first place, the 970 would still have sell over a million units in 2 months. I mean, despite the fact the 970 has a gimped 0.5GB of VRAM, it is still undeniably the best $350/RM1.1-1.5k in a very, very, long time.

I think most people without bottomless pockets can agree with me if I say the 980 is great, but it isn't $220/RM500-RM700 better than the 970. Hard to deny that fact.
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This. +100000000000

If they actually came clean in the first place, the 970 would still have sell over a million units in 2 months. I mean, despite the fact the 970 has a gimped 0.5GB of VRAM, it is still undeniably the best $350/RM1.1-1.5k in a very, very, long time.

I think most people without bottomless pockets can agree with me if I say the 980 is great, but it isn't $220/RM500-RM700 better than the 970. Hard to deny that fact.
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sweat.gif The only problem is.......any new games will depend on Nvidia for driver optimization so that the slow 0.5gb wont get used wrongly.

It did result in stutter though.

Example, when I rename some of the recent game to (example) game123.exe and try to load the VRAM to breach the 3.5GB limit, it actually stuttering with lotta spike in frametime.

When I rename back to the original game.exe, the stutter is gone and the vram usage stays consistently within 3.5gb limit.

I wonder why no one bother the rename their games executable to test the driver optimization impact like I did?

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QUOTE(JohnLai @ Jan 28 2015, 01:21 AM)
sweat.gif  The only problem is.......any new games will depend on Nvidia for driver optimization so that the slow 0.5gb wont get used wrongly.

It did result in stutter though.

Example, when I rename some of the recent game to (example) game123.exe and try to load the VRAM to breach the 3.5GB limit, it actually stuttering with lotta spike in frametime.

When I rename back to the original game.exe, the stutter is gone and the vram usage stays consistently within 3.5gb limit.

I wonder why no one bother the rename their games executable to test the driver optimization impact like I did?
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stuttering issue really put me off and shit even happen at nvidia optimize game like dying light.
If this ram fiasco causing it I really want a refund

getting 120 fps ++ but stuttering intermittently zzz
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QUOTE(shikimori @ Jan 28 2015, 08:04 AM)
stuttering issue really put me off and shit even happen at nvidia optimize game like dying light.
If this ram fiasco causing it I really want a refund

getting 120 fps ++ but stuttering intermittently zzz
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I pity the game developers as well.
Most of them think GTX970 really 4gb card and so they set the game engine to allocate exactly 4GB.
Then suddenly nvidia driver starts interfering and force the VRAM usage to stay under 3.5GB.

I guess game developers also have headache over this issue.
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This fiasco... ram-gate... As bad as many ppl are painting them now, it won't hurt Nvidia much IF AMD can't challenge them with their next-gen card.
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m'sia accept refund? at US can refund but here i don't think so.
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Not surprised to see the people complaining are also people who don't use resolutions higher than 4k and does not utilize 4GB VRAM. biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(goldfries @ Jan 28 2015, 11:21 AM)
Not surprised to see the people complaining are also people who don't use resolutions higher than 4k and does not utilize 4GB VRAM. biggrin.gif
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They could've just stick to 3GB instead.

The GTX 970 doesn't work too well on 4k reso anyway.
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when I bought GTX970 I never think it will handle the 4k resolution, and I also don't problem to play all the games i play with it.

but I not happy is because nvidia CHEAT us the spec

https://www.change.org/p/nvidia-refund-for-...=share_petition
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QUOTE(Gamer @ Jan 28 2015, 11:38 AM)
when I bought GTX970 I never think it will handle the 4k resolution, and I also don't problem to play all the games i play with it.

but I not happy is because nvidia CHEAT us the spec

https://www.change.org/p/nvidia-refund-for-...=share_petition
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same here but i just wanna see some movies with 4k. "honesty is the best policy"
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Yes, TOTALLY. BUT... am not in agreement with the way NVidia is doing their business though...
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Statement from nVidia employee-cum-mod:-

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Hey,

First, I want you to know that I'm not just a mod, I work for NVIDIA in Santa Clara.

I totally get why so many people are upset. We messed up some of the stats on the reviewer kit and we didn't properly explain the memory architecture. I realize a lot of you guys rely on product reviews to make purchase decisions and we let you down.

It sucks because we're really proud of this thing. The GTX970 is an amazing card and I genuinely believe it's the best card for the money that you can buy. We're working on a driver update that will tune what's allocated where in memory to further improve performance.

Having said that, I understand that this whole experience might have turned you off to the card. If you don't want the card anymore you should return it and get a refund or exchange. If you have any problems getting that done, let me know and I'll do my best to help.

--Peter

now i think who wanna return card or exchange to others card you can do it.
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You guys in luck. nVidia will personally contact your seller and make sure you guys get a refund:-

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I guess that depends on who's card it is. I think that EVGA for example offers a trade-in program, others might offer credit, etc. It's largely up to them. All I'm offering is to help you out, even it means me contacting them on your behalf.


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Not sure the refund thingy will work here in Malaysia though.
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i got respond from Gigabyte, just speechless on the support.

Dear Johnny Wong,

This is the hardware design and since there is nothing wrong with the hardware, there is no return offer on it. Below is the official statement from NVIDIA for your reference.

The GeForce GTX 970 is equipped with 4GB of dedicated graphics memory. However the 970 has a different configuration of SMs than the 980, and fewer crossbar resources to the memory system. To optimally manage memory traffic in this configuration, we segment graphics memory into a 3.5GB section and a 0.5GB section. The GPU has higher priority access to the 3.5GB section. When a game needs less than 3.5GB of video memory per draw command then it will only access the first partition, and 3rd party applications that measure memory usage will report 3.5GB of memory in use on GTX 970, but may report more for GTX 980 if there is more memory used by other commands. When a game requires more than 3.5GB of memory then we use both segments.

Regards,
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hahaha... there. Looks like we're all sticking to our 970s then. XD
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Haha looks like i very lucky sticking with 770 instead of pulling the trigger 4 the dual 970 laugh.gif rclxms.gif
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QUOTE(goldfries @ Jan 28 2015, 11:21 AM)
Not surprised to see the people complaining are also people who don't use resolutions higher than 4k and does not utilize 4GB VRAM. biggrin.gif
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While I agree, there are also some legit complaints from users not on 4k or beyond. There are users who are playing at 1440p and also using SLI 970s, 1440p can indeed breech the 3.5GB VRAM. SLI or not, a game is a stutter fest after that. It's not the average FPS, it's the frametime.

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QUOTE(SSJBen @ Jan 28 2015, 12:50 PM)
While I agree, there are also some legit complaints from users not on 4k or beyond. There are users who are playing at 1440p and also using SLI 970s, 1440p can indeed breech the 3.5GB VRAM. SLI or not, a game is a stutter fest after that. It's not the average FPS, it's the frametime.
ehhh typo there on my post - actually I was supposed to type 2K / Full HD. tongue.gif

SLI users would be the minority, of which I think they will often be using at 4K but whether it goes beyond 3K VRAM would depend on the game and setting, DA:I at Ultra settings should be one of those few titles that take up VRAM.
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QUOTE(goldfries @ Jan 28 2015, 12:52 PM)
ehhh typo there on my post - actually I was supposed to type 2K / Full HD. tongue.gif

SLI users would be the minority, of which I think they will often be using at 4K but whether it goes beyond 3K VRAM would depend on the game and setting, DA:I at Ultra settings should be one of those few titles that take up VRAM.
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Meh. I'm a minority with SLI 970 and 1440p then. sad.gif

For now, fortunately it's only a handful of games that are VRAM hogs. But Dying Light is out now, will try later today to see if it'll be a stutter fest or not.
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QUOTE(Gamer @ Jan 28 2015, 12:15 PM)
i got respond from Gigabyte, just speechless on the support.

Dear Johnny Wong,

This is the hardware design and since there is nothing wrong with the hardware, there is no return offer on it. Below is the official statement from NVIDIA for your reference.

The GeForce GTX 970 is equipped with 4GB of dedicated graphics memory. However the 970 has a different configuration of SMs than the 980, and fewer crossbar resources to the memory system. To optimally manage memory traffic in this configuration, we segment graphics memory into a 3.5GB section and a 0.5GB section. The GPU has higher priority access to the 3.5GB section. When a game needs less than 3.5GB of video memory per draw command then it will only access the first partition, and 3rd party applications that measure memory usage will report 3.5GB of memory in use on GTX 970, but may report more for GTX 980 if there is more memory used by other commands. When a game requires more than 3.5GB of memory then we use both segments.

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i've remembered someone said gigabytes released the vbios that fix the vram. i really don't believe also. hope someone bring this case to court or else don't ever think of refund.

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i think in Bolehland we consumers dont really have the amount of rights and power compared to consumers in overseas country like US or in the Europe.

In those countries, they can refund or return the products within a week or first 30 days should they not satisfy with their products, which, in our Bolehland, not even a possibility... doh.gif doh.gif
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QUOTE(rurushu @ Jan 28 2015, 02:19 PM)
i think in Bolehland we consumers dont really have the amount of rights and power compared to consumers in overseas country like US or in the Europe.

In those countries, they can refund or return the products within a week or first 30 days should they not satisfy with their products, which, in our Bolehland, not even a possibility...  doh.gif  doh.gif
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Wow, nVidia started to send Cybertrooper to every forum:-

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Hey. Sup. How are we holding up?

So some of the modders might know me from ocn, twitter, reddit or even in person but besides being a lurker on the forums, I'm actually the NVIDIA GeForce social media guy. I work for NVIDIA out here in Santa Clara, CA.

I know there's a lot of back and forth talking about is or isn't the 970 a problem, what's the impact, what's next? Let me jump in here and give my 2 cents. While the 970 is just as amazing today as it was a month ago our communication as a company has clearly been problematic.

I get it. I understand why GTX 970 owners are upset.

We posted stats. We didn't properly explain the memory architecture. We never intended to deceive anyone but despite our best intentions many of you got information that you thought you could trust and made decisions based on it.

We let you down.

We screwed up.

So here's where it gets dicey for me: I really think the 970 is an awesome card. I STILL think it's an awesome card and as a gamer and as an NVIDIA employee I can't help but think it wouldn't get the praise it has if it weren't every bit as incredible as I like to think it is.

But, with that said, others might feel different. They might feel deceived and maybe you even feel like you don't have any options. You do.

So, if any of you don't want the card now, knowing what you know, you should send it back. Get a refund or an exchange. Do what will give you the best gaming experience possible and if you need help to get that done let me know.

I can help.


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QUOTE(gogo2 @ Jan 28 2015, 03:22 PM)
Wow, nVidia started to send Cybertrooper to every forum:-

Here is the Anandtech one:-

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Looks like they're desperate for people like not to sue them or anything,i guess.. sweat.gif

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When nVidia gonna send someone to Lowyat forum?
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I need an advice...i have an old gtx560ti gigabyte windforce oc..and its already around three years old..one of the fan on it is no longer working and it only have one fan spinning now..my question is..should i go cheap and replace the cooler with aftermarket parts such as arctic cooler which cost around rm200 including postage and everything or should i just upgrade and buy a second hand gtx760 which cost 500-600 nowadays..seing differences from gtx760 to gtx960, going the 2nd hand gtx760 route is much more better i guess..im asking whether any of my choices would be worth it..
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QUOTE(Minecrafter @ Jan 28 2015, 03:27 PM)
Looks like they're desperate for people like not to sue them or anything,i guess.. sweat.gif
When we're noticed by them. tongue.gif
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Yeah, class action lawsuit is very real. Furthermore they admit it. LOL.

So by giving buyer a refund, they might avoid the lawsuit. sweat.gif
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QUOTE(qeyl90 @ Jan 28 2015, 03:28 PM)
I need an advice...i have an old gtx560ti gigabyte windforce oc..and its already around three years old..one of the fan on it is no longer working and it only have one fan spinning now..my question is..should i go cheap and replace the cooler with aftermarket parts such as arctic cooler which cost around rm200 including postage and everything or should i just upgrade and buy a second hand gtx760 which cost 500-600 nowadays..seing differences from gtx760 to gtx960, going the 2nd hand gtx760 route is much more better i guess..im asking whether any of my choices would be worth it..
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QUOTE(gogo2 @ Jan 28 2015, 03:31 PM)
Yeah, class action lawsuit is very real. Furthermore they admit it. LOL.

So by giving buyer a refund, they might avoid the lawsuit.  sweat.gif
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But they said they have a miscommunication between the team?And the reviewers. hmm.gif Well,i'd say their fault for not telling them the specs clearly,right? rclxub.gif

Or trade in to GTX980? biggrin.gif
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frankly, TLDR version of ram-gate

> users upset cos kenot muh 4K with 3.5GB VRAM


i do agree with the parts where GTX970 is still a whooping powerful card, just not at VRAM intensive games
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QUOTE(rurushu @ Jan 28 2015, 02:19 PM)
i think in Bolehland we consumers dont really have the amount of rights and power compared to consumers in overseas country like US or in the Europe.

In those countries, they can refund or return the products within a week or first 30 days should they not satisfy with their products, which, in our Bolehland, not even a possibility...   doh.gif  doh.gif
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yes you can in Bolehland smile.gif go get refund but be prepare to bring seller/ and their supplier to court smile.gif you fall under malaysia consumer Right, just... it take time but you will wind seller and their supplier will have to refund you + pay you for what ever lost you suffer... it take time and alot patience + money... in America their people don't just gain their right but Fight and suffer for their right to be uphold same in Europe... Just in malaysia we feel too timid and scare "if you think your right is been hurt go fight it.." request for Refund or return product.. see what seller Said if they denied tell them you did not Sign legal contract to accept any of the product that you purchase, and the product you receive is defect or miss-advertise or product faulty or sold by slander means". oh make sure when you call seller Record the conversation also do written letter to the shop Request for Refund... as "product miss sold/miss-advertise/ faulty.. smile.gif

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- http://www.kpdnkk.gov.my/kpdnkkv3/index.php?lang=my
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here for you to made Aduan..

http://eaduan.kpdnkk.gov.my/eaduan/main.php?lang=2

Ecommerce rule of report

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Nvidia should give all 970 owners a discount upgrade to a 980 (something within the means of logic that is), in addition to the refund policy.

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QUOTE(marfccy @ Jan 28 2015, 03:45 PM)
frankly, TLDR version of ram-gate

> users upset cos kenot muh 4K with 3.5GB VRAM
i do agree with the parts where GTX970 is still a whooping powerful card, just not at VRAM intensive games
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So... Dying Light:

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game starts just fine and one thing i noticed memory starts from 1.5 gb and slowly climbing to 3.5gb under 3-4 minutes od gameplay,than memory stays around 3.5 for few minutes and than i get this (picture below), i tried again gameplay and after 10 minutes memory error did not pop up in game, but i noticd game only using 3gb! i go to desktop and see memory erorr, so game did not crash but it did cap memory ingame to 3gb:****

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Mine is still downloading, so probably only tonight can test. But damn, if that's an indication then... sweat.gif
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Sue the crapload out of Nvidia!!! >_<
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QUOTE(SSJBen @ Jan 28 2015, 04:35 PM)
So... Dying Light:

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Mine is still downloading, so probably only tonight can test. But damn, if that's an indication then...  sweat.gif
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Wait for updated drivers...

Or sell 970 cheap cheap and upgrade to GTX 980 drool.gif

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I hope that too, but thing always not what we want., just like what Gigabyte replied.

this worst support i ever experienced.
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QUOTE(Gamer @ Oct 29 2014, 09:26 PM)

I bought the Gigabyte GTX970 G1 Gaming last 2 weeks from hikari85, run silent and cool.
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Well, nVidia confirms there will be an update to alleviate this issue...

http://www.techpowerup.com/209369/nvidia-t...ver-update.html

I know the 970 is a powerful card, but why would they have a huge miscommunication between the engineering and the PR team is extremely confusing.

Don't you think something is fishy behind it? hmm.gif If there is a mistake in the specifications, nVidia could have issued a statement telling that the specifications are incorrect as soon as possible. hmm.gif


...and the petition has reached more than 2500 signatures in just a few days... sweat.gif

https://www.change.org/p/nvidia-refund-for-gtx-970

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http://www.guru3d.com/news-story/middle-ea...tress-test.html

"Utilizing graphics memory after 3.5 GB can result into performance issues as the card needs to manage some really weird stuff in memory, it's nearly load-balancing. But fact remains it seems to be handling that well, it’s hard to detect and replicate. If you unequivocally refuse to accept the situation at hand, you really should return your card and pick a Radeon R9 290X or GeForce GTX 980. But until further notice our recommendation on the GeForce GTX 970 stands as it was, for the money it is an excellent performer. But it whould have been called a 3.5 GB card with a 512MB L3 GDDR5 cache buffer."
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QUOTE(terradrive @ Jan 28 2015, 06:52 PM)
Wait for updated drivers...

Or sell 970 cheap cheap and upgrade to GTX 980  drool.gif
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347.25 IS a game ready driver for Dying Light...

980 is great and all bro, but not RM700 greater than the 970. If tonight kena Toto then different story.


QUOTE(chocobo7779 @ Jan 28 2015, 07:26 PM)
Well, nVidia confirms there will be an update to alleviate this issue...

http://www.techpowerup.com/209369/nvidia-t...ver-update.html

I know the 970 is a powerful card, but why would they have a huge miscommunication between the engineering and the PR team is extremely confusing. 

Don't you think something is fishy behind it?  hmm.gif  If there is a mistake in the specifications, nVidia could have issued a statement telling that the specifications are incorrect as soon as possible.  hmm.gif
...and the petition has reached more than 2500 signatures in just a few days... sweat.gif

https://www.change.org/p/nvidia-refund-for-gtx-970
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Lol the way they say a driver is going to fix the VRAM issue is equally fishy. It's a hardware limitation, no unicorn driver from the next galaxy will do anything to "fix" it.

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QUOTE(chocobo7779 @ Jan 28 2015, 07:26 PM)
Well, nVidia confirms there will be an update to alleviate this issue...

http://www.techpowerup.com/209369/nvidia-t...ver-update.html

I know the 970 is a powerful card, but why would they have a huge miscommunication between the engineering and the PR team is extremely confusing. 

Don't you think something is fishy behind it?  hmm.gif  If there is a mistake in the specifications, nVidia could have issued a statement telling that the specifications are incorrect as soon as possible.  hmm.gif
...and the petition has reached more than 2500 signatures in just a few days... sweat.gif

https://www.change.org/p/nvidia-refund-for-gtx-970
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Definitely weird.

And the update will just alleviate the issue. Does not fix the fact that this is 3.5GB card.
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QUOTE(chocobo7779 @ Jan 28 2015, 07:26 PM)
Don't you think something is fishy behind it?  hmm.gif  If there is a mistake in the specifications, nVidia could have issued a statement telling that the specifications are incorrect as soon as possible.  hmm.gif
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I think it's not really fishy things going on here. Writing 4GB on the front of the case is a lot easier than 3.5GB + 0.5GB. Yup, technically, it's 4GB but... bla bla bla... you know the whole thing here. The thing now is nVidia f***up big time here. Whatever happen to them, they'll have to deal with it. I'm more than happy if they got fined or whatever shit. Gotta keep these companies in check and from giving false advertisement.
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QUOTE(SSJBen @ Jan 28 2015, 07:33 PM)
347.25 IS a game ready driver for Dying Light...

980 is great and all bro, but not RM700 greater than the 970. If tonight kena Toto then different story.
Lol the way they say a driver is going to fix the VRAM issue is equally fishy. It's a hardware limitation, no unicorn driver from the next galaxy will do anything to "fix" it.
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should be less then RM1.4k
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QUOTE(chocobo7779 @ Jan 28 2015, 07:40 PM)
I think you misread alleviate as solve... tongue.gif
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I know, I know. What I meant in my context is that Nvidia is saying they are working on some driver to actually you know... do something, that's why I said "fix". Why hadn't they done so 2 months ago? When everyone raise their pitchforks and get angry, only then they wanna start working on a driver?

As it stands, 1080p users and have RM1.2-1.5k to spend, get a 970. 1440p, tri-1080p, 4k guys, either wait for AMD's next flagship or get a 980.
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QUOTE(SSJBen @ Jan 28 2015, 07:56 PM)
As it stands, 1080p users and have RM1.2-1.5k to spend, get a 970. 1440p, tri-1080p, 4k guys, either wait for AMD's next flagship or get a 980.
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Agreed. To be honest even 980 don't have enough power to run at higher resolution than 1920x1080. I tested few games that can stressed out RAM like Wolfenstein: The New Order and FarCry 4 with 4x DSR (native 1920x1080) Ultra setting, I don't notice any weird slowdown or artifacts like some posted on YouTube, memory usage is way above 3.5GB from GPU-Z utility.

Although the performance of the card is good, great even, I really hate a company that isn't honest. It's as simple as that
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QUOTE(SSJBen @ Jan 28 2015, 07:33 PM)
347.25 IS a game ready driver for Dying Light...

980 is great and all bro, but not RM700 greater than the 970. If tonight kena Toto then different story.
Lol the way they say a driver is going to fix the VRAM issue is equally fishy. It's a hardware limitation, no unicorn driver from the next galaxy will do anything to "fix" it.
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That sucks lol.

What to do? GTX 980 is the card that have no VRAM problems laugh.gif

By the way Nvidia have no problems screwing up. Remember bumpgate? Nvidia GPUs will still sell like hotcakes.

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QUOTE(Najmods @ Jan 28 2015, 08:11 PM)
Agreed. To be honest even 980 don't have enough power to run at higher resolution than 1920x1080. I tested few games that can stressed out RAM like Wolfenstein: The New Order and FarCry 4 with 4x DSR (native 1920x1080) Ultra setting, I don't notice any weird slowdown or artifacts like some posted on YouTube, memory usage is way above 3.5GB from GPU-Z utility.

Although the performance of the card is good, great even, I really hate a company that isn't honest. It's as simple as that
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the GTX970 fiasco, is it a software driver issue? thought they mention it was the hardware side's memory architecture design? if so, how does a software driver would help the situation?? hmm.gif
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the GTX970 fiasco, is it a software driver issue? thought they mention it was the hardware side's memory architecture design? if so, how does a software driver would help the situation??  hmm.gif
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if hardware issue, no matter how good the driver also can't help
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What I don't understand is this;

Prior to this RAM-Gate,
Everyone was like, uhh 970 is the best card and performs better than 780.

After discovering that the 0.5GB RAM is not the same fast RAM,
Uhhh now my 970 sucks and I need refund badly. NVIDIA penipu scammer

My question is that, has the performance of the GTX 970 changed after knowing the issue? If not, then why everyone cried for a refund? Or just people wanted to take this advantage to get a free upgrade to GTX 980 instead?
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QUOTE(alfiejr @ Jan 28 2015, 09:08 PM)
just tested Shadow of Mordor, man the game stutters like crazy when it hits around 3GB onwards. Sigh the only way to reduce it is by reducing the texture sad.gif . Fps wise its very good , maintaining 60FPS at most of the time.
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Fortunately for SoM, the quality difference between high and ultra texture is pretty minimal. It'll be more apparent if you play on 4k and on a big screen (30+ inches), but if not then I think no one should play with ultra textures on SOM in the first place.


QUOTE(rurushu @ Jan 28 2015, 09:18 PM)
the GTX970 fiasco, is it a software driver issue? thought they mention it was the hardware side's memory architecture design? if so, how does a software driver would help the situation??  hmm.gif
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In theory, they can improve the memory allocation. But to what extent I'm not sure. My guess is, not enough to make a difference.
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QUOTE(yaphong @ Jan 28 2015, 09:38 PM)
What I don't understand is this;

Prior to this RAM-Gate,
Everyone was like, uhh 970 is the best card and performs better than 780.

After discovering that the 0.5GB RAM is not the same fast RAM,
Uhhh now my 970 sucks and I need refund badly. NVIDIA penipu scammer

My question is that, has the performance of the GTX 970 changed after knowing the issue? If not, then why everyone cried for a refund? Or just people wanted to take this advantage to get a free upgrade to GTX 980 instead?
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as per my previous post

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frankly, TLDR version of ram-gate

> users upset cos kenot muh 4K with 3.5GB VRAM


i do agree with the parts where GTX970 is still a whooping powerful card, just not at VRAM intensive games

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QUOTE(SSJBen @ Jan 28 2015, 09:38 PM)
Fortunately for SoM, the quality difference between high and ultra texture is pretty minimal. It'll be more apparent if you play on 4k and on a big screen (30+ inches), but if not then I think no one should play with ultra textures on SOM in the first place.
In theory, they can improve the memory allocation. But to what extent I'm not sure. My guess is, not enough to make a difference.
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QUOTE(alfiejr @ Jan 28 2015, 10:02 PM)
yup agree , the difference between the texture settings ain't too much.
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QUOTE(yaphong @ Jan 28 2015, 09:38 PM)
What I don't understand is this;

Prior to this RAM-Gate,
Everyone was like, uhh 970 is the best card and performs better than 780.

After discovering that the 0.5GB RAM is not the same fast RAM,
Uhhh now my 970 sucks and I need refund badly. NVIDIA penipu scammer

My question is that, has the performance of the GTX 970 changed after knowing the issue? If not, then why everyone cried for a refund? Or just people wanted to take this advantage to get a free upgrade to GTX 980 instead?
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If they would have come clean in the first place, I am sure all of us would not even have an issue to begin with. From my personal point of view; small issue made big. And biasalah, people sometimes still carry this mob mentality with them. Don't fully understand the issue, just jump in and join the bandwagon. tongue.gif Awhile ago all everyone so happily praising the 970, suddenly with this RAM-gate fiasco, all cry foul. sweat.gif You can see for yourself, some of those that complain in our forum are those that read from forums/websites and don't even have this dreaded 970 to begin with. I for one hardly have any issue with this 970 playing on 1080p. Most (if not all) of my games are optimized by Geforce Experience. Even with a fully enabled fast memory buffer of 4GB on the 970, I doubt it would have made much of an impact on higher resolutions (particularly 4K). To churn out such amount of pixels would require significant GPU processing power, not just memory buffer alone. Suddenly, all wanna jump ship and go for 290X with humongous 8GB VRAM, as if that would really made much of a difference. biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(rav3n82 @ Jan 28 2015, 10:40 PM)
If they would have come clean in the first place, I am sure all of us would not even have an issue to begin with. From my personal point of view; small issue made big. And biasalah, people sometimes still carry this mob mentality with them. Don't fully understand the issue, just jump in and join the bandwagon. tongue.gif Awhile ago all everyone so happily praising the 970, suddenly with this RAM-gate fiasco, all cry foul. sweat.gif You can see for yourself, some of those that complain in our forum are those that read from forums/websites and don't even have this dreaded 970 to begin with. I for one hardly have any issue with this 970 playing on 1080p. Most (if not all) of my games are optimized by Geforce Experience. Even with a fully enabled fast memory buffer of 4GB on the 970, I doubt it would have made much of an impact on higher resolutions (particularly 4K). To churn out such amount of pixels would require significant GPU processing power, not just memory buffer alone. Suddenly, all wanna jump ship and go for 290X with humongous 8GB VRAM, as if that would really made much of a difference. biggrin.gif
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I thought we already established long ago that having more GPU RAM does not really improve performance when the GPU itself isn't fast enough. I would agree if everyone is double or triple SLI their GTX 970 to run 4K (because the RAM is still limited to single card RAM) then it is an issue. I guess people just take opportunity (like every fanboys) just to jump the gun and take the shoot for trolololol.

I still remember I first got conned by a salesman in Low Yat saying that my ATI X300 with 256MB HyperMemory is a powerful card. Only later I learned that X300 is entry card (not even mid range)... all the additional RAM went unused. doh.gif

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QUOTE(yaphong @ Jan 28 2015, 11:59 PM)
I thought we already established long ago that having more GPU RAM does not really improve performance when the GPU itself isn't fast enough. I would agree if everyone is double or triple SLI their GTX 970 to run 4K (because the RAM is still limited to single card RAM) then it is an issue. I guess people just take opportunity (like every fanboys) just to jump the gun and take the shoot for trolololol.

I still remember I first got conned by a salesman in Low Yat saying that my ATI X300 with 256MB HyperMemory is a powerful card. Only later I learned that X300 is entry card (not even mid range)... all the additional RAM went unused.  doh.gif
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In the case of gtx970, it is fast enough to fill up 4gb. But due to 0.5gb slow ram, your card tanked. So it's like having 3.5gb card.
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QUOTE(SSJBen @ Jan 28 2015, 10:18 PM)
Done downloading Dying Light. Now let's see how it tanks.  laugh.gif
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I wonder if GTX970 will fully support Direct12 eventhough the spec said it does.
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QUOTE(gogo2 @ Jan 29 2015, 06:02 AM)
I wonder if GTX970 will fully support Direct12 eventhough the spec said it does.
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it is said even the GTX600 series would support DX12

heck, even Fermi is rumored to support DX12 sweat.gif

as for whether it supports full, i think itll be like DX11 vs DX9 vs DX10 again?
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QUOTE(marfccy @ Jan 29 2015, 06:16 AM)
it is said even the GTX600 series would support DX12

heck, even Fermi is rumored to support DX12 sweat.gif

as for whether it supports full, i think itll be like DX11 vs DX9 vs DX10 again?
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QUOTE(marfccy @ Jan 29 2015, 06:16 AM)
it is said even the GTX600 series would support DX12

heck, even Fermi is rumored to support DX12 sweat.gif

as for whether it supports full, i think itll be like DX11 vs DX9 vs DX10 again?
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QUOTE(yaphong @ Jan 28 2015, 11:59 PM)
I still remember I first got conned by a salesman in Low Yat saying that my ATI X300 with 256MB HyperMemory is a powerful card. Only later I learned that X300 is entry card (not even mid range)... all the additional RAM went unused.  doh.gif
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QUOTE(gogo2 @ Jan 29 2015, 06:02 AM)
I wonder if GTX970 will fully support Direct12 eventhough the spec said it does.
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I'm quite certain the 970, 980 and the 960 (as well as the 750Ti) will support DX12. However, it will NOT fully support all of DX12's features. I keep my fingers crossed because Nvidia does say on their PR page and spec sheet that the 970 and 980 are fully ready to support DX12, but as we know... we have to take a pinch of salt of what they say.
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gsync also gimmick rite? hmm.gif AMD 4GB really 4GB?
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QUOTE(ngkhanmein @ Jan 29 2015, 02:54 PM)
gsync also gimmick rite? hmm.gif AMD 4GB really 4GB?
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its not a gimmick, it works

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QUOTE(ngkhanmein @ Jan 29 2015, 02:54 PM)
gsync also gimmick rite? hmm.gif AMD 4GB really 4GB?
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Yes, AMD's 4GB of VRAM on the 290/290x is really 4GB of VRAM. It's been that way since the day it was launched. Props to AMD actually, the 290x was slower than the 780Ti at first but recently the 290x actually matches it if not exceeds the 780Ti's performance.
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Wow, to those playing Dying Light... you need to lower LOD to less than 20 to actually play the game. Having it anything more than that and it'll be a stutter fest, unless you don't mind playing at a locked 30fps (in which case, might as well play on a console which is actually a smoother experience).
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G-Sync... Soooo wanted it but the monitors are just too expensive for me. T_T

Anyway, on a different note, Dying Light, how's the game? I'm just too chicken shit to play these kinda games. Life's too short for these kinda games!!! LOL~ tongue.gif
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http://www.maximumpc.com/nvidia_will_help_...ate_coming_2015

Refund anyone ? I'm up for it hehehe hopefully Malaysia will be in the loop and it will be full refund

Then I'm all set for FIJI here we come rclxm9.gif
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QUOTE(antaras @ Jan 29 2015, 05:24 PM)
G-Sync... Soooo wanted it but the monitors are just too expensive for me. T_T

Anyway, on a different note, Dying Light, how's the game? I'm just too chicken shit to play these kinda games. Life's too short for these kinda games!!! LOL~ tongue.gif
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Yes, that's why Nvidia needs to make a cheaper module. Hopefully Gsync 2.0 will be more affordable to the masses.

Dying Light is not scary at all. It's actually intense, if you've played Dead Island then it is similar to that except you're in a city and there's a day/night cycle that changes gameplay. Currently, can't say I'm enjoying the game in terms of performance. 970 SLI at 1440p, I'm getting stutters like crazy. There's no proper SLI profile for the game yet, so I'll have to deal with it but even on a single card playing on 1080p... it's just not that fluid.


QUOTE(shikimori @ Jan 29 2015, 05:38 PM)
http://www.maximumpc.com/nvidia_will_help_...ate_coming_2015

Refund anyone ? I'm up for it hehehe hopefully Malaysia will be in the loop and it will be full refund

Then I'm all set for FIJI here we come  rclxm9.gif
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Asked a few retailers here, they're not doing the refund yet.

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QUOTE(SSJBen @ Jan 29 2015, 03:48 PM)
Wow, to those playing Dying Light... you need to lower LOD to less than 20 to actually play the game. Having it anything more than that and it'll be a stutter fest, unless you don't mind playing at a locked 30fps (in which case, might as well play on a console which is actually a smoother experience).
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ohmy.gif Really ? my obsolete R9 290x on Crossfire have no issues playing it on 33840x2160(4K) High Setting of course disable/Turn OFF Nvidia Gameworks HBAO+ oh i love that game... smile.gif thumbup.gif

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QUOTE(Unseen83 @ Jan 29 2015, 11:26 PM)
ohmy.gif  Really ? my obsolete R9 290x on Crossfire have no issues playing it on 33840x2160(4K) High Setting of course disable/Turn OFF Nvidia Gameworks HBAO+  oh i love that game... smile.gif  thumbup.gif
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You trying to troll or what? Since when was 290x obsolete? Until there's a 390x, 290x isn't obsolete.
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QUOTE(SSJBen @ Jan 29 2015, 11:48 PM)
huh.gif

You trying to troll or what? Since when was 290x obsolete? Until there's a 390x, 290x isn't obsolete.
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Update from nVidia:-

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I'm sorry that what I wrote was poorly worded, I realize I made it sound like there was a special patch or something and that is definitely not the case. We are always working on new drivers that tune performance and add features, the GTX 970 is no different.

Are you having a specific issue with the 970 that I can help you with? Unfortunately we made an error in the reviewer guide but the GTX 970 is one of the best GPU's we've ever built.
http://www.tomshardware.com/news/nvidia-ge...ions,28464.html
Let me know how I can help.

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QUOTE(gogo2 @ Jan 30 2015, 08:58 AM)
Update from nVidia:-
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In other words they're not going to fix it ? Screw Nvidia I'm going to sell my card if they do not offer fix or refund
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QUOTE(shikimori @ Jan 30 2015, 09:01 AM)
In other words they're not going to fix it ?  Screw Nvidia I'm going to sell my card if they do not offer fix or refund
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1. I guess they will try to improve your gaming experience (same like every driver update. Just don't expect 3.5GB become real 4GB)
2. You need to define the word "fix". What is "fix"? If fix it become 4GB is impossible. No way they can fix that. Improve gaming experience will be done though.
3. As usual, nVidia will tell you that the gaming experience is same since the launch of GTX970. They are very proud.

P/S: I notice you have SLI GTX970. I think you are the worst victim here. Most affected person in this problem is SLI GTX970.

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QUOTE(shikimori @ Jan 30 2015, 09:01 AM)
In other words they're not going to fix it ?  Screw Nvidia I'm going to sell my card if they do not offer fix or refund
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Please sell the card. It's your call anyway.
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QUOTE(gogo2 @ Jan 30 2015, 09:07 AM)
P/S: I notice you have SLI GTX970. I think you are the worst victim here. Most affected person in this problem is SLI GTX970.
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Does it have lower benchmark score? No, as far as I can tell.


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QUOTE(ALeUNe @ Jan 30 2015, 09:12 AM)
Does it have lower benchmark score? No, as far as I can tell.
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Benchmark is useless because FPS and stuttering is different. On some games you may have high FPS can get bad stuttering until cannot play. All depends on games, and GTX 980 aren't affected.
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QUOTE(ALeUNe @ Jan 30 2015, 09:12 AM)
Does it have lower benchmark score? No, as far as I can tell.
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Nope. But from across the internet, SLi user are affected the most because they thought they wanna run multi monitor or 4k setup.
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QUOTE(terradrive @ Jan 30 2015, 09:15 AM)
Benchmark is useless because FPS and stuttering is different. On some games you may have high FPS can get bad stuttering until cannot play. All depends on games, and GTX 980 aren't affected.
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Which games have stuttering issue?
To be specific, which games are not supported by GTX970?
Will it be fixed (either by firmware or driver)?
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QUOTE(terradrive @ Jan 30 2015, 09:15 AM)
Benchmark is useless because FPS and stuttering is different. On some games you may have high FPS can get bad stuttering until cannot play. All depends on games, and GTX 980 aren't affected.
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Benchmark vs real life blush.gif
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QUOTE(gogo2 @ Jan 30 2015, 09:17 AM)
Nope. But from across the internet, SLi user are affected the most because they thought they wanna run multi monitor or 4k setup.
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We will need to see how far it affected the 4K games.

As far as shikimori's case is concerned, he is running SLI on U2913WM, which is 1080p.
Is the performance affected? Again, which games? Can it be fixed by either firmware or driver?
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QUOTE(ALeUNe @ Jan 30 2015, 09:17 AM)
Which games have stuttering issue?
To be specific, which games are not supported by GTX970?
Will it be fixed (either by firmware or driver)?
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Some example like Far Cry 4, COD Advanced Warfare. You must set the settings to use lower than 3.5GB VRAM or you'll get stutter. Single card stutter isn't bad but in SLI it's worse.

The worst part is, most people went for GTX 970 SLI because it was the best performance per cost at the time, now they got ******.
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QUOTE(ALeUNe @ Jan 30 2015, 09:19 AM)
We will need to see how far it affected the 4K games.

As far as shikimori's case is concerned, he is running SLI on U2913WM, which is 1080p.
Is the performance affected? Again, which games? Can it be fixed by either firmware or driver?
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Wait for Nvidia's response. The only way it can be fixed is to hard lock the VRAM to 3.5GB and not using more...
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QUOTE(terradrive @ Jan 30 2015, 09:20 AM)
Some example like Far Cry 4, COD Advanced Warfare. You must set the settings to use lower than 3.5GB VRAM or you'll get stutter. Single card stutter isn't bad but in SLI it's worse.

The worst part is, most people went for GTX 970 SLI because it was the best performance per cost at the time, now they got ******.
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If the stuttering on single card is not worse than SLI, it sounds like an unoptimized driver, no?
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QUOTE(ALeUNe @ Jan 30 2015, 09:24 AM)
If the stuttering on single card is not worse than SLI, it sounds like an unoptimized driver, no?
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It's not because of unoptimized driver, it's caused by using over 3.5GB VRAM and cause spikes in frametimes aka stutter. GTX980 have no such thing when ran the same thing. Both using the same driver.

Seriously go read some reviews on this issue on many sites like Guru3D and PCPER.

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QUOTE(ALeUNe @ Jan 30 2015, 09:19 AM)
We will need to see how far it affected the 4K games.

As far as shikimori's case is concerned, he is running SLI on U2913WM, which is 1080p.
Is the performance affected? Again, which games? Can it be fixed by either firmware or driver?
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Performance is affected by:-
a) game played
b) game setting

Again, you have to define fixed.

1) Do you mean fixed like fixed it become real 4GB memory?
Answer: Nope
2) Do you mean fixed like fixed the performance issue?
Answer: As always, nVidia will improve the performance of its driver to increase the performance of its card in games.
But based on this:-
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Seems like there will not be a special patch/ROM/driver fix for the specific 3.5GB/4GB issue.

So there you go.
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Wait for Nvidia's response. The only way it can be fixed is to hard lock the VRAM to 3.5GB and not using more...
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QUOTE(terradrive @ Jan 30 2015, 09:25 AM)
It's not because of unoptimized driver, it's caused by using over 3.5GB VRAM and cause spikes in frametimes aka stutter. GTX980 have no such thing when ran the same thing. Both using the same driver.

Seriously go read some reviews on this issue on many sites like Guru3D and PCPER.
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Performance is affected by:-
a) game played
b) game setting

Again, you have to define fixed.

1) Do you mean fixed like fixed it become real 4GB memory?
Answer: Nope
2) Do you mean fixed like fixed the performance issue?
Answer: As always, nVidia will improve the performance of its driver to increase the performance of its card in games.
But based on this:-

Seems like there will not be a special patch/ROM/driver fix for the specific 3.5GB/4GB issue.

So there you go.
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Already read many reports on the VRAM issue.

http://www.guru3d.com/news-story/middle-ea...tress-test.html

The performance is the same. Still the best bang for a buck card you can get.
Yeah, deal with it.

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Concluding

Our product reviews in the past few months and its conclusion are not any different opposed to everything that has happened in the past few days, the product still performans similar to what we have shown you as hey .. it is in fact the same product. The clusterf*** that Nvidia dropped here is simple, they have not informed the media or their customers about the memory partitioning and the challenges they face. Overall you will have a hard time pushing any card over 3.5 GB of graphics memory usage with any game unless you do some freaky stuff. The ones that do pass 3.5 GB mostly are poor console ports or situations where you game in Ultra HD or DSR Ultra HD rendering. In that situation I cannot guarantee that your overall experience will be trouble free, however we have a hard time detecting and replicating the stuttering issues some people have mentioned.



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QUOTE(ALeUNe @ Jan 30 2015, 09:59 AM)
Already read many reports on the VRAM issue.

http://www.guru3d.com/news-story/middle-ea...tress-test.html

The performance is the same. Still the best bang for a buck card you can get.
Yeah, deal with it.
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If that conclusion make you feel any better, then good. Some people just don't like being cheated. Also this is effectively 3.5GB card.
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QUOTE(gogo2 @ Jan 30 2015, 10:04 AM)
If that conclusion make you feel any better, then good. Some people just don't like being cheated. Also this is effectively 3.5GB card.
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Same here, and the most unacceptable thing here is nVidia took more than 4 months to realize this issue. doh.gif sweat.gif
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QUOTE(gogo2 @ Jan 30 2015, 10:04 AM)
If that conclusion make you feel any better, then good. Some people just don't like being cheated. Also this is effectively 3.5GB card.
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To be honest, I don't feel any bad at all.
Why? It delivers the same result I expected from this card.
Why should I feel sad?

I don't look at the specs alone.
I look at the performance as well.

Look at the performance hit between GTX980 and GTX970.
It makes perfect sense.
So, why should I feel sad? Over that 0.5GB? With the same performance delivered?

http://www.guru3d.com/news-story/middle-ea...tress-test.html
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QUOTE(chocobo7779 @ Jan 30 2015, 10:08 AM)
Same here, and the most unacceptable thing here is nVidia took more than 4 months to realize this issue. doh.gif sweat.gif
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And then top it off with no official announcement. No official spec changes. What we have now is PCPer announcement. LOL
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QUOTE(ALeUNe @ Jan 30 2015, 09:19 AM)
We will need to see how far it affected the 4K games.

As far as shikimori's case is concerned, he is running SLI on U2913WM, which is 1080p.
Is the performance affected? Again, which games? Can it be fixed by either firmware or driver?
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erm , u2913wm not exactly 1080p or 1440p per se but still it requires more than just one 970 to play fluidly on ultra with all eye candy on.

No problem with frame rate as I mention all the time . It's just the frame hitching is unbearable , battlefield 4 stop stuttering now , Dying light gawd awful , Realm reborn once in a while but that's an mmorpg so it could be cpu wise , far cry 4 after new driver update works smooth as butter and ass creed unity is horrendous as usual .

Almost forgot the MGS Ground zero demo also face with stuttering issue . Makes me think twice to retain this card for GTA V . Yes , its my call to sell it but it's sad that NVIDIA back tracking their statement and not taking ownership of the issue . I dont believe on fanboyism but more to consumerism . People would say oh the perfomance is not that bad as per review your not going to get affected that much due to missing 500mb ram but you will know once you experience it yourself .

The card just doesnt like it when being push more than 3.5gb ram than its started to choking
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QUOTE(ALeUNe @ Jan 30 2015, 10:10 AM)
To be honest, I don't feel any bad at all.
Why? It delivers the same result I expected from this card.
Why should I feel sad?

I don't look at the specs alone.
I look at the performance as well.

Look at the performance hit between GTX980 and GTX970.
It makes perfect sense.
So, why should I feel sad? Over that 0.5GB? With the same performance delivered?

http://www.guru3d.com/news-story/middle-ea...tress-test.html
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That is probably why in the first place, nVidia decided not to tell us about this configuration.

They probably thought, well, the performance hit is not noticeable now. We better don't tell all. laugh.gif


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...and nVidia just made a 360 on Twitter... shakehead.gif doh.gif

https://twitter.com/NVIDIAGeForce/status/560878957554569216
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Oh shit expect massive boycotting soon laugh.gif doh.gif
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QUOTE(gogo2 @ Jan 30 2015, 10:16 AM)
That is probably why in the first place, nVidia decided not to tell us about this configuration.

They probably thought, well, the performance hit is not noticeable now. We better don't tell all.  laugh.gif
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Technically the performance is the same as I first bought it.
Technically it is way way better than any previous generation card (i.e. GTX760) in terms of performance.
Technically it is still the best card in MYR1K category.

So, what's there complain? What options do we have?

Not happy from existing owners? Sell it and get something you happy with.
Not happy from potential buyers? Get something you happy with.
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QUOTE(skylinelover @ Jan 30 2015, 11:03 AM)
Oh shit expect massive boycotting soon laugh.gif doh.gif
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Oh shit expect massive boycotting soon laugh.gif doh.gif
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I am still in awe with the performance, power consumption and fan noise after months using GTX970.
Boycotting? What other options with the same performance and price category?
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QUOTE(shikimori @ Jan 30 2015, 10:14 AM)
erm , u2913wm not exactly 1080p or 1440p per se but still it requires more than just one 970 to play fluidly on ultra with all eye candy on.

No problem with frame rate as I mention all the time . It's just the frame hitching is unbearable , battlefield 4 stop stuttering now  , Dying light gawd awful , Realm reborn once in a while but that's an mmorpg so it could be cpu wise , far cry 4 after new driver update works smooth as butter and ass creed unity is horrendous as usual .

Almost forgot the MGS Ground zero demo also face with stuttering issue . Makes me think twice to retain this card for GTA V . Yes , its my call to sell it but it's sad that NVIDIA back tracking their statement and not taking ownership of the issue . I dont believe on fanboyism but more to consumerism . People would say oh the perfomance is not that bad as per review your not going to get affected that much due to missing 500mb ram but you will know once you experience it yourself .

The card just doesnt like it when being push more than 3.5gb ram than its started to choking
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If this card chokes, you can be sure that all cards from the same category choke as well.

Sell it and get higher end cards.
SLI GTX980/crossfire R290X or wait for R390x.

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Agree with terradrive, the main problem once the vram fills up to 3.5 GB , it stutters like no tomorrow, I can vouch on that. There's no problem with the fps bcoz it will always be in the 50-60FPS region.

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QUOTE(ALeUNe @ Jan 30 2015, 11:18 AM)
Technically the performance is the same as I first bought it.
Technically it is way way better than any previous generation card (i.e. GTX760) in terms of performance.
Technically it is still the best card in MYR1K category.

So, what's there complain? What options do we have?

Not happy from existing owners? Sell it and get something you happy with.
Not happy from potential buyers? Get something you happy with.
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Yeah, like I said, if you're happy with the card, then good for you. brows.gif
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An vid made by pcper, this is a pretty clear explanation on how the memory segmentation works for the gtx970


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QUOTE(alfiejr @ Jan 30 2015, 11:50 AM)
An vid made by pcper, this is a pretty clear explanation on how the memory segmentation works for the gtx970

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Weird right? nVidia doesn't talk about this in official channel. It subcontract to PCPer.
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if nvidia introduce gtx 970 with its real specs, even though with the same current price people will still buy it no doubt. the card will still the be the best affordable high-end card atm.. it just that customer only wanted exact information of the product they going to buy.. we hate of being deceived. i know the 4GB are still there but its not working like normal people expectation.. So Nvidia should give prior explanation for the real meaning of gtx 970 4GB memory before they letting their customer buy it. i still remember people proudly saying to me 'my gtx 970 same like gtx 980 but only slightly lower cuda and texture'.. now i can't imagine how frustrated he is..
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QUOTE(gogo2 @ Jan 30 2015, 11:51 AM)
Weird right? nVidia doesn't talk about this in official channel. It subcontract to PCPer.
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yeah it's weird, the only reason I guess they dont want to drop the bombshell is to prevent having the mass of gtx 970 being return back to the manufacturers.
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So I'm an owner of MSI GTX970 Tiger, after reading some news of the GTX970 memory issue, how will this affect me?

It seems to affect high resolution gaming.. am wondering will it hit me as well? Currently using a shitty 19" monitor for gaming purposes.

Its a hardware design issue right? Means for it to be corrected they will have to change their whole hardware.. can't be corrected by software updates right?

Am currently running games like DragonAge Inq & Bioshock Infinite on highest setting level and it still runs fine.. just wondering what would the impact be after reading up on the latest news.
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QUOTE(InvestThing @ Jan 30 2015, 11:56 AM)
So I'm an owner of MSI GTX970 Tiger, after reading some news of the GTX970 memory issue, how will this affect me?

It seems to affect high resolution gaming.. am wondering will it hit me as well? Currently using a shitty 19" monitor for gaming purposes.

Its a hardware design issue right? Means for it to be corrected they will have to change their whole hardware.. can't be corrected by software updates right?

Am currently running games like DragonAge Inq & Bioshock Infinite on highest setting level and it still runs fine.. just wondering what would the impact be after reading up on the latest news.
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19'' the resolution is either 720P or 900P? , shouldn't be a problem. I tested Bioshock Infinite(ran very smoothly ) and DA:I (with all settings on ultra and 4MSAA, the game chew quite a lot of vram and it reaches almost 3GB mark, but it still ran fine). My resolution is 1080P btw.

Your card is the same model as me, you should try overclock it a bit icon_rolleyes.gif
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QUOTE(alfiejr @ Jan 30 2015, 11:56 AM)
yeah it's weird, the only reason I guess they dont want to drop the bombshell is to prevent having the mass of gtx 970 being return back to the manufacturers.
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Probably they hope nobody knows except those in the forum or reading tech news.

QUOTE(InvestThing @ Jan 30 2015, 11:56 AM)
So I'm an owner of MSI GTX970 Tiger, after reading some news of the GTX970 memory issue, how will this affect me?

It seems to affect high resolution gaming.. am wondering will it hit me as well? Currently using a shitty 19" monitor for gaming purposes.

Its a hardware design issue right? Means for it to be corrected they will have to change their whole hardware.. can't be corrected by software updates right?

Am currently running games like DragonAge Inq & Bioshock Infinite on highest setting level and it still runs fine.. just wondering what would the impact be after reading up on the latest news.
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Its hardware issue. They already said not going to fix it because it is design as such. To nVidia, it is not a bug. And yes, it cannot be corrected by software, driver or BIOS.

The outcome of this is that your card is effectively 3.5GB.
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QUOTE(InvestThing @ Jan 30 2015, 11:56 AM)
So I'm an owner of MSI GTX970 Tiger, after reading some news of the GTX970 memory issue, how will this affect me?

It seems to affect high resolution gaming.. am wondering will it hit me as well? Currently using a shitty 19" monitor for gaming purposes.

Its a hardware design issue right? Means for it to be corrected they will have to change their whole hardware.. can't be corrected by software updates right?

Am currently running games like DragonAge Inq & Bioshock Infinite on highest setting level and it still runs fine.. just wondering what would the impact be after reading up on the latest news.
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No is the answer. Am running the Asus variant on 1080 res. No issue what-so-ever. Tomb Raider, Max Payne 3, Skyrim (with high-res texture), Far Cry 4 and Shadow of Mordor. Some might say that perhaps I did not "push" it enough to see the problem though...
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QUOTE(SSJBen @ Jan 29 2015, 06:25 PM)
Yes, that's why Nvidia needs to make a cheaper module. Hopefully Gsync 2.0 will be more affordable to the masses.

Dying Light is not scary at all. It's actually intense, if you've played Dead Island then it is similar to that except you're in a city and there's a day/night cycle that changes gameplay. Currently, can't say I'm enjoying the game in terms of performance. 970 SLI at 1440p, I'm getting stutters like crazy. There's no proper SLI profile for the game yet, so I'll have to deal with it but even on a single card playing on 1080p... it's just not that fluid.
Asked a few retailers here, they're not doing the refund yet.
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QUOTE(gogo2 @ Jan 30 2015, 12:03 PM)
Probably they hope nobody knows except those in the forum or reading tech news.
Its hardware issue. They already said not going to fix it because it is design as such. To nVidia, it is not a bug. And yes, it cannot be corrected by software, driver or BIOS.

The outcome of this is that your card is effectively 3.5GB.
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Dude, you're really having a field day eh? rclxms.gif
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Dude, you're really having a field day eh?  rclxms.gif
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Already have for past few days thumbup.gif
Also do it in Geforce forum.

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Already have for past few days  thumbup.gif
Also do it in Geforce forum.
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Good, pretty much explains everything. Thanks. biggrin.gif
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Good, pretty much explains everything. Thanks.  biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(alfiejr @ Jan 30 2015, 12:02 PM)
19'' the resolution is either 720P or 900P? , shouldn't be a problem. I tested  Bioshock Infinite(ran very smoothly ) and DA:I (with all settings on ultra and 4MSAA, the game chew quite a lot of vram and it reaches almost 3GB mark, but it still ran fine). My resolution is 1080P btw.

Your card is the same model as me, you should try overclock it a bit  icon_rolleyes.gif
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QUOTE(gogo2 @ Jan 30 2015, 12:03 PM)
Probably they hope nobody knows except those in the forum or reading tech news.
Its hardware issue. They already said not going to fix it because it is design as such. To nVidia, it is not a bug. And yes, it cannot be corrected by software, driver or BIOS.

The outcome of this is that your card is effectively 3.5GB.
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Indeed. 'It is not a bug, it is a feature', said nvidia.

I recalled during Geforce 8800 gtx era, when nvidia forced AIB/OEM and its driver to set GPU fan spins faster so that when the gpu failed, it will be out of warranty period, users were complaining about the loud fan and this was exactly what Nvidia said to press/forum, "'It is not a bug, it is a feature".
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QUOTE(JohnLai @ Jan 30 2015, 12:23 PM)
Indeed. 'It is not a bug, it is a feature', said nvidia.

I recalled during Geforce 8800 gtx era, when nvidia forced AIB/OEM and its driver to set GPU fan spins faster so that when the gpu failed, it will be out of warranty period, users were complaining about the loud fan and this was exactly what Nvidia said to press/forum, "'It is not a bug, it is a feature".
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nVidia has been a shady company since then I guess... lol

and ofcourse bumpgate and others..

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nVidia has been a shady company since then I guess... lol

and ofcourse bumpgate and others..
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AMD also shady company as well....

Promise this and that, never deliver....mostly.
1) Promised 4K H264 DXVA acceleration on existing gpu product, last last said only for GCN 1.2 GPU.
2) Where is the power saving mentioned?
3) Mantle API, said will be release before 2015, until now still not publicly available.
4) Legendary 2D mode flickering, black screen, excessive gpu thermal throttling.
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QUOTE(JohnLai @ Jan 30 2015, 12:38 PM)
AMD also shady company as well....

Promise this and that, never deliver....mostly.
1) Promised 4K H264 DXVA acceleration on existing gpu product, last last said only for GCN 1.2 GPU.
2) Where is the power saving mentioned?
3) Mantle API, said will be release before 2015, until now still not publicly available.
4) Legendary 2D mode flickering, black screen, excessive gpu thermal throttling.
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Not as shady as nVidia.

1) well, at least it is broken promise. Your AMD card is still the same spec when you bought it.
2) I'm not sure.
3) Well, your AMD still same spec
4) probably bug or something.

GTX970 issue involved spec changes. Imagine the TV you bought is written 4K AMOLED. But its actually Pentile AMOLED. laugh.gif
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QUOTE(gogo2 @ Jan 30 2015, 12:45 PM)
Not as shady as nVidia.

1) well, at least it is broken promise. Your AMD card is still the same spec when you bought it.
2) I'm not sure.
3) Well, your AMD still same spec
4) probably bug or something.

GTX970 issue involved spec changes. Imagine the TV you bought is written 4K AMOLED. But its actually Pentile AMOLED.  laugh.gif
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1) No comment on this cry.gif
2) sweat.gif
3) I bought R7 260X specifically for mantle API improvement. Turn out the so called 40% improvement for Battlefield 4 is not really true. Still hoping....
4) Actually, it is hardware issue. In fact, most AMD AIB issued VBIOS to disable the power saving ability for its GPU VRAM. GPU core itself unaffected. Which is back to (2)

Then I bought GTX970 only to discover about the 3.5GB issue few weeks later. doh.gif
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QUOTE(JohnLai @ Jan 30 2015, 12:53 PM)
1) No comment on this  cry.gif
2)  sweat.gif
3) I bought R7 260X specifically for mantle API improvement. Turn out the so called 40% improvement for Battlefield 4 is not really true. Still hoping....
4) Actually, it is hardware issue. In fact, most AMD AIB issued VBIOS to disable the power saving ability for its GPU VRAM. GPU core itself unaffected. Which is back to (2)

Then I bought GTX970 only to discover about the 3.5GB issue few weeks later.  doh.gif
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wah, you really sui... laugh.gif

But ok la. Some people say they still very very happy.
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QUOTE(gogo2 @ Jan 30 2015, 12:56 PM)
wah, you really sui...  laugh.gif

But ok la. Some people say they still very very happy.
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I think the only purchase that worth my money is Gainward ATI HD 4850 Golden Sample 1GB.

My first gaming GPU is Geforce 8800gts or x, cant remember, it died after 8 months due to bumpgate cry.gif

Then I bought the HD4850. (This one still alive and running)

Next, directx11 games are too many, decided to get R7 260X when it was out in the market for its Mantle API claim and FreeSync.
There goes the many issue I encountered until the main issue 2d flickering fixed with VBIOS 3 months ago..... (keeping it in box now)

By the time R7 260X fixed by VBIOS update by disabling VRAM power management.....I bought ASUS GTX970 Styrix lor

Then one of the cap was faulty, send for RMA.....I just got it back this week....

.....3.5gb issue confirmed shocking.gif
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QUOTE(JohnLai @ Jan 30 2015, 01:10 PM)
I think the only purchase that worth my money is Gainward ATI HD 4850 Golden Sample 1GB.

My first gaming GPU is Geforce 8800gts or x, cant remember, it died after 8 months due to bumpgate  cry.gif

Then I bought the HD4850. (This one still alive and running)

Next, directx11 games are too many, decided to get R7 260X when it was out in the market for its Mantle API claim and FreeSync.
There goes the many issue I encountered until the main issue 2d flickering fixed with VBIOS 3 months ago..... (keeping it in box now)

By the time R7 260X fixed by VBIOS update by disabling VRAM power management.....I bought ASUS GTX970 Styrix lor

Then one of the cap was faulty, send for RMA.....I just got it back this week....

.....3.5gb issue confirmed  shocking.gif
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eh, if 8 months died, you can't RMA 8800gts meh?

my gpu seldom die on me. But my sapphire HD5850 HMDI dead after 1 year. sweat.gif
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QUOTE(gogo2 @ Jan 30 2015, 01:12 PM)
eh, if 8 months died, you can't RMA 8800gts meh?

my gpu seldom die on me. But my sapphire HD5850 HMDI dead after 1 year.  sweat.gif
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That time, I was young leh.......I simply believed the shop owner who told me warranty only for 6 months.

Fast forward few years, I learn about factory warranty and shop based warranty.
That mother****** cheater shop owner! mad.gif
Incidentally, I also learn more of computing stuff. nod.gif

Edit: grammer mistake, damn autocorrect

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QUOTE(JohnLai @ Jan 30 2015, 01:17 PM)
That time, I was young leh.......I simply believed the shop owner who told me warranty only for 6 months.

Fast forward few years, I learn about factory warranty and shop based warranty.
That mother****** cheater shop owner! mad.gif
Incidentally, I also learn more of computing stuff. nod.gif

Edit: grammer mistake, damn autocorrect
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If that conclusion make you feel any better, then good. Some people just don't like being cheated. Also this is effectively 3.5GB card.
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It is useless to talk with people that don't have good comprehension of what we're aactually talking about. They don't know the difference between frames per second and frametime.
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I think probably he doesn't feel any spike when he play game (maybe due to non-demanding game setting). Furthermore in the PCPer review, the frametimes is worse with GTX970 but not as bad as expected due to 3.5GB VRAM. It seems PCPer is protecting nVidia lololol...


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QUOTE(gogo2 @ Jan 30 2015, 01:30 PM)
I think probably he doesn't feel any spike when he play game (maybe due to non-demanding game setting). Furthermore in the PCPer review, the frametimes is worse with GTX970 but not as bad as expected due to 3.5GB VRAM. It seems PCPer is protecting nVidia lololol...
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pcper only tests two games, they should tried modded skyrim, heard it got very very bad stutters.
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pcper only tests two games, they should tried modded skyrim, heard it got very very bad stutters.
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Yes, I do have the same brand, connected the bridge, now all I need to know is how to enable it in windows ? And how to make sure 2 graphic card is in use when im SLI-ing
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Yes, I do have the same brand, connected the bridge, now all I need to know is how to enable it in windows ? And how to make sure 2 graphic card is in use when im SLI-ing
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do you think the sellers will allow us to return the gtx 970 or maybe exchange it for 290X plus top up?

i bought 2x970 for SLI to use on my 4320x2560 multimonitor res. now i know why it was stuttering when playing at full res. i bought mine from idealtech. hopefully the receive instructions from nvidia soon to allow returns. really felt betrayed.

i thought i was getting good bang for my buck, 4gb vrams for rm1.2k. but we've been cheated on my nvidia so was just after the money. haih....
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do you think the sellers will allow us to return the gtx 970 or maybe exchange it for 290X plus top up?

i bought 2x970 for SLI to use on my 4320x2560 multimonitor res. now i know why it was stuttering when playing at full res. i bought mine from idealtech. hopefully the receive instructions from nvidia soon to allow returns. really felt betrayed.

i thought i was getting good bang for my buck, 4gb vrams for rm1.2k. but we've been cheated on my nvidia so was just after the money. haih....
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hey guys, just curious, since 970 having problem about vram, so i was wondering, is it a good purchase if i want to buy 970 or should i go with other cards ? Thanks !
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QUOTE(pspslim007 @ Jan 31 2015, 02:47 AM)
hey guys, just curious, since 970 having problem about vram, so i was wondering, is it a  good purchase if i want to buy 970 or should i go with other cards ? Thanks !
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Me, too. Having such dilemma.
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QUOTE(pspslim007 @ Jan 31 2015, 02:47 AM)
hey guys, just curious, since 970 having problem about vram, so i was wondering, is it a  good purchase if i want to buy 970 or should i go with other cards ? Thanks !
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Me, too. Having such dilemma.
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just think about this

1. are you playing at >1080p resolution?
2. can you live with not maxing any setting that eats VRAM?

if you answer no and yes respectively to above, GTX970 is still a darn good card. and still bang for buck card too

otherwise, head to red camp and check out their 290X or 290s

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QUOTE(pspslim007 @ Jan 31 2015, 02:47 AM)
hey guys, just curious, since 970 having problem about vram, so i was wondering, is it a  good purchase if i want to buy 970 or should i go with other cards ? Thanks !
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Me, too. Having such dilemma.
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It's still a decent card by all means. The problem arises once it hits that 3.5GB wall , then you will sense stuttering and frame hitching. I suggest hold your purchase for now and see the newer upcoming cards coming out.
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wtf before it was 3.5gb ram fiasco and now they are withholding g-sync without the need to use the actual g-sync module



http://www.overclock.net/t/1538208/nvidia-...dp-1-2-monitors

http://gamenab.net/2015/01/24/nvidia-g-syn...-every-monitor/

http://www.pcper.com/reviews/Graphics-Card...ed-Alpha-Driver

Doesnt work for me but anyone with a laptop maybe could have a success

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wtf before it was 3.5gb ram fiasco and now they are withholding g-sync without the need to use the actual g-sync module



http://www.overclock.net/t/1538208/nvidia-...dp-1-2-monitors

http://gamenab.net/2015/01/24/nvidia-g-syn...-every-monitor/

http://www.pcper.com/reviews/Graphics-Card...ed-Alpha-Driver

Doesnt work for me but anyone with a laptop maybe could have a success
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...so the G-Sync module is pretty much tells the monitor that the user payed for a G-Sync monitor, and enables G-Sync? doh.gif

http://wccftech.com/nvidia-gsync-mobility-...ises-questions/
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hey guys, just curious, since 970 having problem about vram, so i was wondering, is it a  good purchase if i want to buy 970 or should i go with other cards ? Thanks !
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Me, too. Having such dilemma.
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HOLD IT right there laugh.gif just wait 4 newer cards rclxms.gif
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HOLD IT right there laugh.gif just wait 4 newer cards rclxms.gif
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no need go for AMD trust me u will regret later. even with nvidia scandal i still prefer nvidia.
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I been changing back and forth from nvidia to AMD, I dont experience any problem with both. Dont get too attached to one company for no reason.
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QUOTE(Najmods @ Jan 31 2015, 12:51 PM)
I been changing back and forth from nvidia to AMD, I dont experience any problem with both. Dont get too attached to one company for no reason.
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unless AMD releases a card that have good reference cooler, im sticking to Nvidia laugh.gif
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Going to be fair.

Not defending Nvidia here. Jen Hsun Huang should be punched in the face for lying and who ever made the decision for this screw up in marketing should be fired without compensation.

But the point still stands, the 970 has not gotten any slower since launch guys. It's still faster than the 290 and 780. The only card that beats it for price-performance ratio is the 290x currently, but it's not like the 290x is not without it's own problems either.

Play at 1080p? Get a 970.
Play at 1440p? Get a 290x.
Play at 4k and beyond? Dude, why bother asking when your pockets should be bottomless at this point.

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290 also can play quite nice on 1440p cos my friend using U2713 monitor working quite well but really hotter than my card at least 10°c
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QUOTE(ngkhanmein @ Jan 31 2015, 01:33 PM)
290 also can play quite nice on 1440p cos my friend using U2713 monitor working quite well but really hotter than my card at least 10°c
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Of which 970 can also for the majority of games currently. It's just that there are games that will severely tax that 3.5GB VRAM, that's where the 290x will come ahead in performance.
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QUOTE(marfccy @ Jan 31 2015, 01:23 PM)
for my case, its

unless AMD releases a card that have good reference cooler, im sticking to Nvidia laugh.gif
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Reference cooler? There are better 3rd party cooler that done better job for roughly the same money so that is a moot point to bias to one side. Talking about reference cooler, not the entire lineup uses the same great cooler, for example GTX 760 uses crappy stock cooler that never ever touch the boost clock the longer you play the game.
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QUOTE(Najmods @ Jan 31 2015, 01:53 PM)
Reference cooler? There are better 3rd party cooler that done better job for roughly the same money so that is a moot point to bias to one side. Talking about reference cooler, not the entire lineup uses the same great cooler, for example GTX 760 uses crappy stock cooler that never ever touch the boost clock the longer you play the game.
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i prefer the ref cooler method of dumping heat outside of case than letting it recirculate inside

3rd party coolers are indeed superior in every way, but not in the aspect of dumping heat outside of casing

my old GTX660 stock reference cooler did a pretty decent job, even allowing a minor OC and staying well within 76-82C. but thats a 140W card, so it might not count much.

even so, my current 780 cooling perf is rather impressive so far for a reference cooler. 76-78C on room temp Shadow Of Mordor 1440p, all max cept texture and thats with an OC of 100/200MHz (reaching boost clock of 1084MHz). with AC room of ambient 24C, it drops to 73C max, avg 69C

unless AMD is capable to giving to customers reference cooler with the capability like Nvidia-esque TITAN cooler, i have no choice but to stick to NGreedia
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QUOTE(marfccy @ Jan 31 2015, 02:03 PM)
i prefer the ref cooler method of dumping heat outside of case than letting it recirculate inside

3rd party coolers are indeed superior in every way, but not in the aspect of dumping heat outside of casing

my old GTX660 stock reference cooler did a pretty decent job, even allowing a minor OC and staying well within 76-82C. but thats a 140W card, so it might not count much.

even so, my current 780 cooling perf is rather impressive so far for a reference cooler. 76-78C on room temp Shadow Of Mordor 1440p, all max cept texture and thats with an OC of 100/200MHz (reaching boost clock of 1084MHz). with AC room of ambient 24C, it drops to 73C max, avg 69C

unless AMD is capable to giving to customers reference cooler with the capability like Nvidia-esque TITAN cooler, i have no choice but to stick to NGreedia
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You have Carbide Air 540, should be no problem using open cooler cards shocking.gif
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I dont know how to react to this whole fiasco...coming from 1GB HD7850 before, and it is still a good card.
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QUOTE(chocobo7779 @ Jan 31 2015, 10:30 AM)
...so the G-Sync module is pretty much tells the monitor that the user payed for a G-Sync monitor, and enables G-Sync? doh.gif

http://wccftech.com/nvidia-gsync-mobility-...ises-questions/
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So a person pays for a G-Sync monitor,but you can get cheaper monitor that can also have G-Sync?Kinda confused. hmm.gif

QUOTE(ngkhanmein @ Jan 31 2015, 11:16 AM)
no need go for AMD trust me u will regret later. even with nvidia scandal i still prefer nvidia.
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QUOTE(terradrive @ Jan 31 2015, 02:43 PM)
You have Carbide Air 540, should be no problem using open cooler cards  shocking.gif
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Doesn't matter what case anyone is using. Air goes wherever you push it.
So Air 540 or not, if there are fans pushing the hot air to all the other components in the PC, then other things will heat up.
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QUOTE(terradrive @ Jan 31 2015, 02:43 PM)
You have Carbide Air 540, should be no problem using open cooler cards  shocking.gif
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i changed to 3x120mm Silverstone APs

works like magic, no hot spots noticed so far
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QUOTE(Minecrafter @ Jan 31 2015, 03:26 PM)
So a person pays for a G-Sync monitor,but you can get cheaper monitor that can also have G-Sync?Kinda confused. hmm.gif
That's your experience.There's a lot of other people of using AMD cards,working fine.Both NVidia and AMD have their own problems. tongue.gif
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conclusion is we need console for gsync. i still prefer green over red. icon_rolleyes.gif
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QUOTE(ngkhanmein @ Jan 31 2015, 11:16 AM)
no need go for AMD trust me u will regret later. even with nvidia scandal i still prefer nvidia.
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really regret ? woo im using 2x r9 290X crossfire mode (i buy 3 r9 290x in a year) what i experience.. IMPROVE in performance now R9 290x equal to GTX 780 Ti while before under it..and Game MANTLE Support(is like using DX12) Able to Crossfire(dual GPU) without need it to be Same brands/ Clock speed Just same Model (e.g. R9 290 able to dual with R9 290X) oh without using Bridge to Dual or Triple or Quad Gpu... oh finally.. 4GB is 4GB biggrin.gif
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Im currently getting freeze while gaming in BF3 on 1440p with 970gtx.. The error message im getting looks directly linked to directx.Anybody encounter this issue before?.. previously while on 1080 didnt ever get the game freeze..

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QUOTE(Unseen83 @ Jan 31 2015, 05:02 PM)
really regret ?  woo im using 2x r9 290X crossfire mode (i buy 3 r9 290x in a year) what i experience..  IMPROVE in performance now R9 290x equal to GTX 780 Ti while before under it..and Game MANTLE Support(is like using DX12)  Able to Crossfire(dual GPU) without need it to be Same brands/ Clock speed Just same Model (e.g. R9 290 able to dual with R9 290X)  oh without using Bridge to Dual or Triple or Quad Gpu...  oh finally.. 4GB is 4GB biggrin.gif
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i know u're AMD fanboy what.. laugh.gif i'm not dulan with the 3.5gb vram shit but i'm more concern bout the ROP's, bus width & no future driver update. i personally prefer single gpu. if u wanna highlight 4gb is 4gb then go ahead cos i really disrespect to those guys who said b4 vram really not important for gaming.. rmb who said b4.. go *#)#*$(#@($!*(&%^&^#+

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QUOTE(ngkhanmein @ Jan 31 2015, 05:52 PM)
i know u're AMD fanboy what..  laugh.gif
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hi guys, quick question here, i wanna OC my Sapphire R7 250X, and so far i just up around =
GPU Clock = 965mhz
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and i`ve furmark on both 1080 and 720 for like a minute and it stays around 72 celcius Caps. So my question here is, how do i know its the max OC for my GPU and also what is the function for power limit settings and how to use it. Thanks ! (Using AMD Catalyst)
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r9 290 is a good gpu just that the reference cooler screwed up many first time buyers on overheating issue and black screen. I was one of them, unless AMD fixes those concerns id say many green team will jump ship to red team, but this vram issue is subjective to each person's eye to want more detail u gotta pay more, but what nvidia did was not honest. Wished 3dfx was still around
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QUOTE(Unseen83 @ Jan 31 2015, 06:15 PM)
my MSI GT70 20D using GTX780M  so... is that mean i am Nvidia Fan boy too ?  hmm.gif  i thought everyone is End user supporting both company meant non of us experience single gpu company monopoly(Gpu price increase selling at 200%/ company misadvertise their spec) which in term bad for end user..
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QUOTE(pspslim007 @ Jan 31 2015, 07:01 PM)
hi guys, quick question here, i wanna OC my Sapphire R7 250X, and so far i just up around =
GPU Clock = 965mhz
High Performance Memory Clock = 1165mhz
and i`ve furmark on both 1080 and 720 for like a minute and it stays around 72 celcius Caps. So my question here is, how do i know its the max OC for my GPU and also what is the function for power limit settings and how to use it. Thanks ! (Using AMD Catalyst)
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OC until there's artifact in games or facing freezes.

But if you got moolah then go upgrade GPU better hahhah.
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QUOTE(ngkhanmein @ Jan 31 2015, 04:44 PM)
conclusion is we need console for gsync. i still prefer green over red.  icon_rolleyes.gif
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Even if you want to suggest someone,you cannot follow your preferences.It has to be the person asking. tongue.gif Suggest best for the money.

QUOTE(S4PH @ Jan 31 2015, 07:47 PM)
r9 290 is a good gpu just that the reference cooler screwed up many first time buyers on overheating issue and black screen. I was one of them, unless AMD fixes those concerns id say many green team will jump ship to red team, but this vram issue is subjective to each person's eye to want more detail u gotta pay more, but what nvidia did was not honest. Wished 3dfx was still around
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If a person only plays games that aren't a vRAM eater biggrin.gif Then going for GTX970 is the option.

I do agree that NVidia wasn't being honest..it's been a rough week for them. sweat.gif

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QUOTE(Minecrafter @ Jan 31 2015, 08:05 PM)
Even if you want to suggest someone,you cannot follow your preferences.It has to be the person asking. tongue.gif Suggest best for the money.
If a person only plays games that aren't a vRAM eater biggrin.gif Then going for GTX970 is the option.

I do agree that NVidia wasn't being honest..it's been a rough week for them.  sweat.gif
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i never suggest also.. if they prefer AMD go ahead as i know this thread got nvidia fanboys here. even 4gb is 4gb or 8gb is 8gb vram don't really bother me but other specification yes is it bothered me & quite butthurt for the fake specification especially the ROP's & bus bandwidth.
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QUOTE(Minecrafter @ Jan 31 2015, 08:05 PM)
Even if you want to suggest someone,you cannot follow your preferences.It has to be the person asking. tongue.gif Suggest best for the money.
If a person only plays games that aren't a vRAM eater biggrin.gif Then going for GTX970 is the option.

I do agree that NVidia wasn't being honest..it's been a rough week for them.  sweat.gif
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hope a driver fix will come out soon to reduce stuttering
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QUOTE(S4PH @ Jan 31 2015, 08:15 PM)
hope a driver fix will come out soon to reduce stuttering
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You didn't read the latest news saying nVidia won't come out with any fix regarding GTX970?

Here is the official statement from nVidia regarding driver:-
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hope a driver fix will come out soon to reduce stuttering
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Is there anything we can do if the shops dowan to accept return/exchange cos of the gtx970 vram issue?
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Is there anything we can do if the shops dowan to accept return/exchange cos of the gtx970 vram issue?
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burn the shop haha just joking but i don't think they wanna exchange & except the supplier offered to take back every 970. if i strike 4d, i straight away throw 970 into trash then buy 980. thumbup.gif wait someone take legal action with nvidia. i like to see some courtroom. make this scandal way more serious.
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QUOTE(ngkhanmein @ Jan 31 2015, 08:28 PM)
they will be no more driver for 970 in future. mean no driver at all. go buy AMD!
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Rephrase that. Saying no more drivers for 970 basically means that 347.25 is the last driver we'll see that supports Maxwell, that's zero logic.

There will be no fix for the VRAM allocation, but drivers will for new games will continue to roll out.


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Complain straight to Nvidia. Get the shop's name and their main distributor.

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no need go for AMD trust me u will regret later. even with nvidia scandal i still prefer nvidia.
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OC until there's artifact in games or facing freezes.

But if you got moolah then go upgrade GPU better hahhah.
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@.@ ok but can you tell me whats the power setting limit is ? and also is there any easy and faster way to do it ?
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What's your reasons for sticking with nvidia eventually?
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QUOTE(S4PH @ Jan 31 2015, 08:15 PM)
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QUOTE(pspslim007 @ Feb 1 2015, 01:29 AM)
@.@ ok but can you tell me whats the power setting limit is ? and also is there any easy and faster way to do it ?
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Power limit is the ceiling of how much power you GPU can use, when overclocked the card will use more power and if it need more than the limit, your card will throttle/lower the clock down.
If your clocks fluctuates when gaming and it's not overheating, try increase the power limit.
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In which game did it stutters?
Power limit is the ceiling of how much power you GPU can use, when overclocked the card will use more power and if it need more than the limit, your card will throttle/lower the clock down.
If your clocks fluctuates when gaming and it's not overheating, try increase the power limit.
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Thanks for the reply, so yeah btw how do i keep check my Clock speed ingame ? and also how much can i pull the power limit (CM Full Modular PSU 550W)
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Thanks for the reply, so yeah btw how do i keep check my Clock speed ingame ? and also how much can i pull the power limit (CM Full Modular PSU 550W)
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Wished 3dfx was still around
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QUOTE(skylinelover @ Feb 1 2015, 12:08 PM)
i still remember playing the first half life and the first need 4 speed with 3dfx syok mang laugh.gif rclxms.gif good old days GATEWAY PC with pentium 2 cool.gif  cool2.gif
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what year is that 1997/98 ?
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what year is that 1997/98 ?
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1. The l2 cache is shared. Although they can access the same time but the l2 cache will be full faster than other l2 cache
2. Due to issue 1, the fast 0.5gb will be slowed by the slow 0.5gb due to fulled l2 cache.
3. Although they said access to l2 cache is simultaneous, but the path to crossbar is shared. So the effective still 3.5GBP
4. Any game optimize for 4gb card, gtx970 need to reduce setting.
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QUOTE(gogo2 @ Feb 1 2015, 02:07 PM)
1. The l2 cache is shared. Although they can access the same time but the l2 cache will be full faster than other l2 cache
2. Due to issue 1, the fast 0.5gb will be slowed by the slow 0.5gb due to fulled l2 cache.
3. Although they said access to l2 cache is simultaneous, but the path to crossbar is shared. So the effective still 3.5GBP
4. Any game optimize for 4gb card, gtx970 need to reduce setting.
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keep it simple.. we not Semiconductor Engineer.. GTX 970 if you game on 1080p or 1440p on High@ Ultra "BE NO PROBLEM" smile.gif thumbup.gif is just Suffer on 3840x2160 Resolution on any increase setting but the performance hit not that much different... under 10Fps against R9 290X that.. minimal.. for the price End user pay GPU .

From AMD Graphic FAN point of view/opinion laugh.gif (what this guy says.. )

QUOTE(ngkhanmein @ Jan 31 2015, 05:52 PM)
i know u're AMD fanboy what..  laugh.gif
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QUOTE(skylinelover @ Feb 1 2015, 12:08 PM)
i still remember playing the first half life and the first need 4 speed with 3dfx syok mang laugh.gif rclxms.gif good old days GATEWAY PC with pentium 2 cool.gif  cool2.gif
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i got myself a voodoo2 just for nfs se damn those were the days i enjoyed many games on that 3d only card, remember u gotta have a 2d card to pair with it.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3MghYhf-GhU

Lots of insight into the rise of 3dfx from the 4 founders, where/what they're doing now (1 is in Nvidia), the fall of 3dfx and what they did wrong that led to it, the purchase by Nvidia, etc. Interestingly Malaysia is singled out/mentioned at 2:23:00 when asked what was the most surprising thing these founders learned during their time at 3dfx

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3Ddfx Voodoo 3 2000 PCI 16mb SDRAM is my First Graphic cards... 1999/2000 smile.gif

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3Ddfx Voodoo 3 2000 PCI 16mb SDRAM is my First Graphic cards... 1999/2000 smile.gif
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During 98/99 when I was hunting for my 3dfx Banshee 16mb PCI, was already so hard to locate one as most of the stock was the AGP ver. Finally got 1 unit from a shop inside Imbi Plaza 2nd floor, can't remember the name. How was your experience?

Still fondly remember that Creative Labs Banshee.. came bundled with the game Incoming. Good times.
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QUOTE(Unseen83 @ Feb 1 2015, 07:51 PM)
3Ddfx Voodoo 3 2000 PCI 16mb SDRAM is my First Graphic cards... 1999/2000 smile.gif
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My first GPU is S3 Savage 4 8MB + Pentium 3 533Mhz. Then I upgraded it to Geforce 2 MX 400. That Geforce 2 MX 400 was my last Nvidia card. Every card after that is Radeon simply because of price/performance ratio after that, not brand agnostic laugh.gif

After I got myself ATI 9800 Pro, the 6600GT came out, I'm so jealous of 6600GT that time sweat.gif

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QUOTE(Unseen83 @ Feb 1 2015, 05:55 PM)
keep it simple.. we not Semiconductor Engineer..  GTX 970 if you game on 1080p or 1440p on High@ Ultra "BE NO PROBLEM" smile.gif  thumbup.gif  is just Suffer on 3840x2160 Resolution on any increase setting  but the performance hit not that much different... under 10Fps against R9 290X  that.. minimal.. for the price End user pay GPU .

From AMD Graphic FAN point of view/opinion  laugh.gif (what  this guy says.. )
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aiyo don't marah la.. we same kampung one rite? i really anti AMD no offense. icon_rolleyes.gif
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QUOTE(terradrive @ Feb 1 2015, 08:07 PM)
My first GPU is S3 Savage 4 8MB + Pentium 3 533Mhz. Then I upgraded it to Geforce 2 MX 400. That Geforce 2 MX 400 was my last Nvidia card. Every card after that is Radeon simply because of price/performance ratio after that, not brand agnostic  laugh.gif

After I got myself ATI 9800 Pro, the 6600GT came out, I'm so jealous of 6600GT that time  sweat.gif
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same here lol my first graphic card was the s3 graphic card + pentium 1 133mhz

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QUOTE(raydenex @ Feb 1 2015, 08:04 PM)
During 98/99 when I was hunting for my 3dfx Banshee 16mb PCI, was already so hard to locate one as most of the stock was the AGP ver. Finally got 1 unit from a shop inside Imbi Plaza 2nd floor, can't remember the name. How was your experience?

Still fondly remember that Creative Labs Banshee.. came bundled with the game Incoming. Good times.
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at the time i was living in KK Sabah, hm to be frank.. i did not enjoy so much after buy,using Glide API was good experience tho.. few month later i go on internet 3dfx go bye bye after buying boards maker in new mexico or something, than Nvidia buy 3dfx... eh feel bad year for me lolx.. do not know gonna happen to driver support and at the time that gpu very Expensive FOR me.. (student) hmm.gif Banshee.. come out before voodoo 3 2000/3000/4000 right ? like in late year 2000 3dfx bringing out Crazy Gpu.. first Dual GPU Voodoo4/5 4500/5500 .

QUOTE(terradrive @ Feb 1 2015, 08:07 PM)
My first GPU is S3 Savage 4 8MB + Pentium 3 533Mhz. Then I upgraded it to Geforce 2 MX 400. That Geforce 2 MX 400 was my last Nvidia card. Every card after that is Radeon simply because of price/performance ratio after that, not brand agnostic  laugh.gif

After I got myself ATI 9800 Pro, the 6600GT came out, I'm so jealous of 6600GT that time  sweat.gif
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AGP Accelerated Graphic port.. i thought it was the future GPU.. laugh.gif i go on safe up my money to built new Rig late 2001 manage to get Pentium 4 1.6Ghz with Cheap ECS Mobo... with AGP ! this was important for me... biggrin.gif

Add on: geforce 2 MX is Nvidia first GIMP GPU.. haha i experience missing Texture.. missing head in GAME MAFIA haaha brows.gif

QUOTE(ngkhanmein @ Feb 1 2015, 08:39 PM)
aiyo don't marah la.. we same kampung one rite? i really anti AMD no offense.  icon_rolleyes.gif
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your anti AMD ! laugh.gif icon_rolleyes.gif

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Guys, Im currently owning 680, just wonder is there any big difference/upgrade to 970? Wish to play max setting @ 1080p for GTA V.
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Guys, Im currently owning 680, just wonder is there any big difference/upgrade to 970? Wish to play max setting @ 1080p for GTA V.
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How about wait until GTAV comes out first? No one knows how GTAV will perform on PC, even if Rockstar is promising that it will run fine. But what happened with GTA4 on PC was a big slap to those who bought it.
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During 98/99 when I was hunting for my 3dfx Banshee 16mb PCI, was already so hard to locate one as most of the stock was the AGP ver. Finally got 1 unit from a shop inside Imbi Plaza 2nd floor, can't remember the name. How was your experience?

Still fondly remember that Creative Labs Banshee.. came bundled with the game Incoming. Good times.
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U re reminding me back to the era when Creative Labs (CL) are selling graphic cards beside their sound cards.
My 1st CL card - Graphic Blaster Extreme 4Mb (Permedia 2)
Then CL Graphic Blaster Riva TNT 16 Mb (yeah......the bundled Incoming game....fond memories of that)
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Guys, Im currently owning 680, just wonder is there any big difference/upgrade to 970? Wish to play max setting @ 1080p for GTA V.
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Not big jump, if you have 680 must at least aim for 980. That'll be 2 steps performance upgrade.
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If what is said be unseen83 is true, more than 3840x2160 will be severely affected by the memory bug then I will be royally pissed with the 2 x GTX 970 I got.
Im using a 4320x2560 resolution monitor to play games and the reason I got 2 of the 970 is so it can have enough processing power to run, but it will now be severely handicapped because of very slow memory access. And you know when you play games at >4K Resolution, high speed memory is very important. Nvidia should refund all of us for misleading info. The issue wont be so bad if the memory architecture remained the same as the GTX980 And only cut 3 out of 16SP.
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If what is said be unseen83 is true, more than 3840x2160 will be severely affected by the memory bug then I will be royally pissed with the 2 x GTX 970 I got.
Im using a 4320x2560 resolution monitor to play games and the reason I got 2 of the 970 is so it can have enough processing power to run, but it will now be severely handicapped because of very slow memory access. And you know when you play games at >4K Resolution, high speed memory is very important.  Nvidia should refund all of us for misleading info. The issue wont be so bad if the memory architecture remained the same as the GTX980 And only cut 3 out of 16SP.
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Then you should lower the texture settings in the game to make sure you never use more than 3.5GB VRAM. Also don't use MSAA because it eats up VRAM as well. As long as it is under 3.5GB VRAM usage it is fine.
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Then you should lower the texture settings in the game to make sure you never use more than 3.5GB VRAM. Also don't use MSAA because it eats up VRAM as well. As long as it is under 3.5GB VRAM usage it is fine.
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QUOTE(targon @ Feb 2 2015, 07:25 AM)
U re reminding me back to the era when Creative Labs (CL) are selling graphic cards beside their sound cards.
My 1st CL card - Graphic Blaster Extreme 4Mb (Permedia 2)
Then CL Graphic Blaster Riva TNT 16 Mb (yeah......the bundled Incoming game....fond memories of that)
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I think it was called 3D Blaster bro smile.gif
Yup, they used to sell CD writer too, my 4x cdrw drive was a Creative.
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QUOTE(joellim @ Feb 2 2015, 10:15 AM)
If what is said be unseen83 is true, more than 3840x2160 will be severely affected by the memory bug then I will be royally pissed with the 2 x GTX 970 I got.
Im using a 4320x2560 resolution monitor to play games and the reason I got 2 of the 970 is so it can have enough processing power to run, but it will now be severely handicapped because of very slow memory access. And you know when you play games at >4K Resolution, high speed memory is very important.  Nvidia should refund all of us for misleading info. The issue wont be so bad if the memory architecture remained the same as the GTX980 And only cut 3 out of 16SP.
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Yes, you should be royally pissed... But not much you can do bout it too. You right now, have some choices tho. 1, As what AMD fans been preaching the whole while, jump to 290X now and get the 8GB version as well, and gain a few fps in the process. 2, upgrade to 980 and enjoy the extra fps and true 4GB albeit the extra cost along the way. 3, wait for the upcoming AMD cards.
And to those that can't offer solutions, but can only b**** about the same shit countless times, please, spare some of my internet data and not be an idiot of a fanboy.
I hope you fanboys do understand, many that bought the 970 simply do not have choices then. Had AMD been doing their shit right and better priced their cards instead of cheap shooting Nvidia ONLY after this fiasco, AMD should have had a lot more users.
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QUOTE(joellim @ Feb 2 2015, 10:15 AM)
If what is said be unseen83 is true, more than 3840x2160 will be severely affected by the memory bug then I will be royally pissed with the 2 x GTX 970 I got.
Im using a 4320x2560 resolution monitor to play games and the reason I got 2 of the 970 is so it can have enough processing power to run, but it will now be severely handicapped because of very slow memory access. And you know when you play games at >4K Resolution, high speed memory is very important.  Nvidia should refund all of us for misleading info. The issue wont be so bad if the memory architecture remained the same as the GTX980 And only cut 3 out of 16SP.
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Hold on, SLI GTX970 has never had enough power to run 4k/60p on the most recent games from the last 3 months in the first place anyways. 4320x2560? There's no way you're gonna run games at max settings with a SLI 970 as you already know. In which case by then, you'll have to lower settings until you can play them.

Also, Nvidia needs to fix frametimes with SLI 970s.
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Hello guys

i'm thinking to buy MSI GTX 970 4GD5T OC but got few questions

is it good compared to other brand eg asus, msi, zotac etc?

what the diff with MSI GTX 970 Gaming version other than cooler?

did i entitle nvidia free game offer if i buy from shop?

Need some help here. TQ

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