Looking for water heater
Any recommendation guys?
water heater, price and quality
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Nov 13 2011, 06:12 PM
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Look for our famous zheilwane  chilskater liked this post
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Nov 14 2011, 12:48 AM
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joven?
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Nov 14 2011, 12:57 AM
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try to find at senheng, last time i saw the price RM500++, including with installation, panasonic brand with jet pump...
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Nov 14 2011, 01:12 AM
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what kinda water heater u wanna get? if its instant water heater... just find zheilwane.... so far his price has been always on par/better with all the fairs whole year round.... no need to wait for any home dec or expo if he has the stuffs you want.... Bijisss liked this post
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Nov 14 2011, 09:15 AM
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whether it is instant or storage water heaters, I have been using Joven for so many years. No problem at all & reliable.
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Nov 15 2011, 06:23 AM
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yeah, find zheilwane, best of the best price ever, I go for Joven i70P, get it from zheilwane at good price
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Nov 15 2011, 06:26 AM
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kekek thanks leeyung, kelvyn & lazzy_dogg. So far, joven has been quite reliable and good after sales service.
For more info & promotions, just join us in facebook https://www.facebook.com/pg/builders.hardwa.../?tab=page_info My showroom is in Kepong https://www.google.com.my/maps/place/3%C2%B...01.647471?hl=en This post has been edited by zheilwane: Sep 27 2017, 01:49 PM |
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Nov 15 2011, 08:57 AM
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how about basic panasonic water heaters?
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Nov 15 2011, 11:21 AM
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QUOTE(kucingfight @ Nov 15 2011, 08:57 AM) how about basic panasonic water heaters? just bought 2 pana DH-3HS2 last night. (simple, no pump type) not installed yet. the long slim dimension.  been using pana all these yrs. no prob also. hopefully these new ones don't disappoint too. hehehe |
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Nov 15 2011, 08:27 PM
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I am using Joven 880P and must say that it is the most disappointing water heater I have ever used. Extremely noisy and cold.
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Nov 16 2011, 09:37 AM
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how about alpha series? anyone pls comment...thanks
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Nov 16 2011, 10:31 AM
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QUOTE(torkl @ Nov 15 2011, 08:27 PM) I am using Joven 880P and must say that it is the most disappointing water heater I have ever used. Extremely noisy and cold. I heard about the similar issue for the 880P too, I havent install my i70P yet, but from reviews over this forum, it seems to be not bad  |
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Nov 16 2011, 11:16 AM
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QUOTE(leeyung @ Nov 16 2011, 10:31 AM) I heard about the similar issue for the 880P too, I havent install my i70P yet, but from reviews over this forum, it seems to be not bad i70p is using silent pump and the price is much more expensive than 880p...so, it can be said is different product..... |
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Nov 16 2011, 11:57 AM
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what is the average cost to install a water heater?
been quote around 200, izit normal? tqtq |
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Nov 16 2011, 11:59 AM
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is that with power point? mine is rm60 or rm80 if not mistaken but already got power point
QUOTE(jeff_v2 @ Nov 16 2011, 11:57 AM) what is the average cost to install a water heater? been quote around 200, izit normal? tqtq |
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Nov 16 2011, 12:04 PM
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QUOTE(Eng_Tat @ Nov 16 2011, 11:59 AM) is that with power point? mine is rm60 or rm80 if not mistaken but already got power point Only Power Point RM180-RM220, installation additional charges, my wireman install it for me FOC  |
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Nov 16 2011, 12:17 PM
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QUOTE(leeyung @ Nov 16 2011, 12:04 PM) Only Power Point RM180-RM220, installation additional charges, my wireman install it for me FOC ic, that power point is conceal or pvc?last time mine in apt fix 2(2.5mm wires) wh point and 4(4mm) aircond point non conceal/used pvc cover my wireman charge me lumpsum rm550 but this is early 2009 la. yes somtimes wireman will install for free, but piping kena provide sendiri lo. |
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Nov 16 2011, 12:32 PM
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QUOTE(Eng_Tat @ Nov 16 2011, 12:17 PM) ic, that power point is conceal or pvc? mine one is concealed last time mine in apt fix 2(2.5mm wires) wh point and 4(4mm) aircond point non conceal/used pvc cover my wireman charge me lumpsum rm550 but this is early 2009 la. yes somtimes wireman will install for free, but piping kena provide sendiri lo. , btw the 4mm is the recommended for aircon? 550 quite cheap, cuz aircon and water heater the point almost same price |
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Nov 16 2011, 01:44 PM
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4mm2, that can power over 30Amps of equipment.
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Nov 16 2011, 02:28 PM
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QUOTE(weikee @ Nov 16 2011, 01:44 PM) 4mm2, that can power over 30Amps of equipment. ic, any references for Amp vs thickness wire? I search around, found AWG (American Wire Gauge)  I roughly calculate, a 2HP aircon 5.4KWsaid it is single phase 5400/240 = 22.5A, means I have to go for 4mm at least? 2.5 mm cant? This post has been edited by leeyung: Nov 16 2011, 02:41 PM |
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Nov 16 2011, 03:07 PM
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generally rating for 2.5mm is around 15A and 4mm is around 25A @240volt rite?
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Nov 16 2011, 11:45 PM
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QUOTE(leeyung @ Nov 16 2011, 10:31 AM) I heard about the similar issue for the 880P too, I havent install my i70P yet, but from reviews over this forum, it seems to be not bad Joven i70 is good. Have been using for sometime and i'm quit satisfy wit it. |
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Nov 17 2011, 01:49 AM
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anybody bought the new alpha smart series 18e that comes with a dc pump and rain shower?
the design looks good, but the rain shower is a bit small.. i am interested to know if the silent pump is "really" silent pump.. This post has been edited by fast_coder: Nov 17 2011, 01:51 AM |
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Nov 17 2011, 03:03 AM
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QUOTE(leeyung @ Nov 16 2011, 02:28 PM) ic, any references for Amp vs thickness wire? I search around, found AWG (American Wire Gauge) 2hp don't drain to much current. The number you got is cooling capacity. Not current. 2HP should be less than 2Kw. Please check the current or power input. Is about 10 amp the most. I roughly calculate, a 2HP aircon 5.4KWsaid it is single phase 5400/240 = 22.5A, means I have to go for 4mm at least? 2.5 mm cant? Added on November 17, 2011, 3:04 am QUOTE(Eng_Tat @ Nov 16 2011, 03:07 PM) generally rating for 2.5mm is around 15A and 4mm is around 25A @240volt rite? Depend the length, and also if its expose or conceal. Usually conceal will be less current cause less cooling. But that number is about right. Can still stress a bit more if length are not too long and expose.This post has been edited by weikee: Nov 17 2011, 03:04 AM |
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Nov 17 2011, 07:09 AM
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QUOTE(weikee @ Nov 17 2011, 03:03 AM) 2hp don't drain to much current. The number you got is cooling capacity. Not current. 2HP should be less than 2Kw. Please check the current or power input. Is about 10 amp the most. Herm, the KW I found from 2HP Aircon is as belowAdded on November 17, 2011, 3:04 am Depend the length, and also if its expose or conceal. Usually conceal will be less current cause less cooling. But that number is about right. Can still stress a bit more if length are not too long and expose. http://www.panasonic.com.my/wps/portal/hom...MKHCUC18MKH20HP The Panasonic Non Inverter 2HP deluxe Under the spec, it is 5.40 kW  |
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Nov 17 2011, 08:06 AM
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QUOTE(leeyung @ Nov 17 2011, 07:09 AM) Herm, the KW I found from 2HP Aircon is as below u scroll down the spec page, u'll see this...http://www.panasonic.com.my/wps/portal/hom...MKHCUC18MKH20HP The Panasonic Non Inverter 2HP deluxe Under the spec, it is 5.40 kW Electricity Rated Voltage 230V Running Current 8.4A Power Input 1,800W |
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Nov 17 2011, 09:07 AM
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1HP is 0.735 KW (electrical motor), I'll add 30% for losses. so 2hp = 2x 0.735 + 30%
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Nov 17 2011, 10:26 AM
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wei kee, do you know the normal pvc pipe can fit hw many 4mm wires?
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Nov 17 2011, 10:45 AM
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QUOTE(Eng_Tat @ Nov 17 2011, 10:26 AM) wei kee, do you know the normal pvc pipe can fit hw many 4mm wires? Don't know, minimal should be 3. You can check in electrical shop. white pvc have few size. |
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Nov 17 2011, 10:51 AM
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i confuse, at first was talking about water heater, then suddenly aircond
lol anwyay, how about power consumption for water heater,how high it will be |
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Nov 17 2011, 11:28 AM
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QUOTE(skng03 @ Nov 17 2011, 08:06 AM) u scroll down the spec page, u'll see this... Woops, sorry for my aging eyes, but was wondering why the current not tally with the power one Electricity Rated Voltage 230V Running Current 8.4A Power Input 1,800W QUOTE(weikee @ Nov 17 2011, 09:07 AM) 1HP is 0.735 KW (electrical motor), I'll add 30% for losses. so 2hp = 2x 0.735 + 30% Ya, that is the way I calculate, but duno how pana come out with the 5.4kW LoLQUOTE(Eng_Tat @ Nov 17 2011, 10:26 AM) wei kee, do you know the normal pvc pipe can fit hw many 4mm wires? my wireman using 4cm PVC pipe, I saw can fit 8 X 2.5mm wiresQUOTE(amirsubhi @ Nov 17 2011, 10:51 AM) i confuse, at first was talking about water heater, then suddenly aircond Haha, sorry, I think i m the one who caused the off topic, btw water heater required 15A cable as typically instant water heater is about 3600Watt (3.6kW)lol anwyay, how about power consumption for water heater,how high it will be |
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Nov 17 2011, 11:32 AM
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I am using Alpha. Very good. Has been using same brand for more than 10 yrs+ but lately it spoilt so i bought new Alpha. Design is good too.
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Nov 17 2011, 11:36 AM
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QUOTE(luvimp @ Nov 17 2011, 11:32 AM) I am using Alpha. Very good. Has been using same brand for more than 10 yrs+ but lately it spoilt so i bought new Alpha. Design is good too. what is the specific model of Alpha you are using? I saw the one with Rain Shower, pretty cool but too small for the shower head  |
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Nov 17 2011, 11:48 AM
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QUOTE(leeyung @ Nov 17 2011, 11:36 AM) what is the specific model of Alpha you are using? I saw the one with Rain Shower, pretty cool but too small for the shower head I am using the instant shower heater, SMART series 18EP.The shower head is big and i find it too heavy to hold for long. Also, water strength increase slightly with the help of pump but surely it is much noisy. But i find it good to be noisy as ppl at outside maybe cant hear that i am singing while taking my shower.  |
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Nov 17 2011, 12:23 PM
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QUOTE(amirsubhi @ Nov 17 2011, 10:51 AM) i confuse, at first was talking about water heater, then suddenly aircond Depend, lol anwyay, how about power consumption for water heater,how high it will be Instant water heater go from 100watt to 3600 watt cause you can adjust the heating element. Storage water heater 3000 Watt (Joven). Solar Power also need power, this you need to check the spec. Added on November 17, 2011, 12:25 pm QUOTE(leeyung @ Nov 17 2011, 11:28 AM) Woops, sorry for my aging eyes, but was wondering why the current not tally with the power one Because of losses. This post has been edited by weikee: Nov 17 2011, 12:25 PM |
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Nov 17 2011, 04:29 PM
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i am using beebest sp2. but one thing i do notice after prolong used the 2.5mm wires gets warm. if you guys doing wiring i suggest go used 4mm.
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Nov 20 2011, 11:09 AM
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QUOTE(weikee @ Nov 17 2011, 12:23 PM) Because of losses. QUOTE(Eng_Tat @ Nov 17 2011, 04:29 PM) i am using beebest sp2. but one thing i do notice after prolong used the 2.5mm wires gets warm. if you guys doing wiring i suggest go used 4mm. Your wiring is not concealed? How "long" is the prolong used? My friends told me beebest also quite silent if compared to Alpha |
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Nov 20 2011, 05:58 PM
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QUOTE(fast_coder @ Nov 17 2011, 01:49 AM) anybody bought the new alpha smart series 18e that comes with a dc pump and rain shower? I just bought a new alpha smart series 18i with DC pump today but still waiting for stock coming. Hope that it wont disappointed me......the design looks good, but the rain shower is a bit small.. i am interested to know if the silent pump is "really" silent pump.. |
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Nov 20 2011, 08:48 PM
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the wiring is inside the pvc case. i guess >30min of continuous usage. i am using silent pump version, not so noisy and the pressure is better then euro uno.
QUOTE(leeyung @ Nov 20 2011, 11:09 AM) icic Your wiring is not concealed? How "long" is the prolong used? My friends told me beebest also quite silent if compared to Alpha |
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Nov 20 2011, 08:50 PM
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QUOTE(Eng_Tat @ Nov 20 2011, 08:48 PM) the wiring is inside the pvc case. i guess >30min of continuous usage. i am using silent pump version, not so noisy and the pressure is better then euro uno. wow, means the exposed PVC after 30 mins of usage, u touch on it you can feel it is warm? |
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Nov 20 2011, 09:55 PM
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actually i open up the case and touch the wire. i was doing some things in the another end at mcb. can feel the wire is warm.
QUOTE(leeyung @ Nov 20 2011, 08:50 PM) wow, means the exposed PVC after 30 mins of usage, u touch on it you can feel it is warm? |
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Nov 20 2011, 10:45 PM
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QUOTE(Eng_Tat @ Nov 20 2011, 09:55 PM) actually i open up the case and touch the wire. i was doing some things in the another end at mcb. can feel the wire is warm. I see, I tot you can feel the PVC is warm btw is warm and not really hot right? |
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Nov 20 2011, 11:23 PM
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If you set max temperature, his high current it sure generate some heat. If is just warm and with good quality cable you don't have to worry much. If lousy quality cable, longer you use it will turn brittle and copper will oxidized.
Don't use 100%, 80% of setting, and reduce pump speed. |
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Nov 21 2011, 09:35 AM
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Yeah its just warm. the setting of pump is full speed and heat is around 70%-80%. I am also using wire approved by sirim. Any way shud have gone with 4mm wires next time.
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Nov 21 2011, 11:01 AM
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QUOTE(Eng_Tat @ Nov 21 2011, 09:35 AM) Yeah its just warm. the setting of pump is full speed and heat is around 70%-80%. I am also using wire approved by sirim. Any way shud have gone with 4mm wires next time. Reduce pump speed, and set to 60%. |
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Nov 21 2011, 02:34 PM
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bro, tak shiok la if pressure not enuff
 i think next year my new home maybe opt for centralise pump with normal wh combo.QUOTE(weikee @ Nov 21 2011, 11:01 AM) Reduce pump speed, and set to 60%. |
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Nov 21 2011, 02:35 PM
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Any experience in Electrolux water heaters? I can't quite remember the model name but it's the slim type.
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Nov 22 2011, 12:47 PM
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joven after sales is just facepalm
keep giving excuse as they don wan to have a site visit they say that i need to turn the heat temperature till more than half to feel the slight heat of the heater.really wtf |
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Nov 22 2011, 01:02 PM
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It all depend of the water temperature and flow. 99& of the market instant water heater use heating element which is very reliable. If water flow too fast you won't get hot water. If water too cold you don't too. Got to play around with water pressure.
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Nov 22 2011, 01:10 PM
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Some maker claim like have temperature control or electronic temperature sensor that can adjust the temperature regardless pressure fluctuates.
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Nov 22 2011, 02:10 PM
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QUOTE(weikee @ Nov 22 2011, 01:02 PM) It all depend of the water temperature and flow. 99& of the market instant water heater use heating element which is very reliable. If water flow too fast you won't get hot water. If water too cold you don't too. Got to play around with water pressure. but i got 5unit in the same house .3 on the same floor.i did turn on the temperature till the max and the water is still cold |
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Nov 26 2011, 09:34 PM
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bought 4x basic panasonic 3JL1. rm235 each
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Nov 27 2011, 12:17 AM
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QUOTE(kucingfight @ Nov 26 2011, 09:34 PM) bought 4x basic panasonic 3JL1. rm235 each ai kucingfight. u shud've asked me abt panasonic water heaters. hehehe... me went shopping ard like crazy for pana, so i got some pricing for diff shops. 3JL1 i got lowest is rm228 from online shop jXXtXX. 3JL1 is the light shower head kind right? |
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Nov 27 2011, 04:56 AM
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QUOTE(metalbod @ Nov 27 2011, 12:17 AM) ai kucingfight. u shud've asked me abt panasonic water heaters. hehehe... me went shopping ard like crazy for pana, so i got some pricing for diff shops. 3JL1 i got lowest is rm228 from online shop jXXtXX. 3JL1 is the light shower head kind right? oh damn..yeah 3JL1 is the most basic..mm i tot i got it cheaper than jintex when checked online..is rm228 cheapest? i din do any price comparison as was tired after whole day of shopping |
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Nov 27 2011, 11:02 AM
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QUOTE(ozak @ Nov 22 2011, 01:10 PM) Some maker claim like have temperature control or electronic temperature sensor that can adjust the temperature regardless pressure fluctuates. yeah i want to know abt this too..Does this work? |
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Nov 27 2011, 08:35 PM
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i am using joven 830i
with pump rm395 cash n carry from ELK sooooooooo good but pump abit noisy...hehehe |
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Nov 27 2011, 08:46 PM
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QUOTE(NelsonBoy @ Nov 27 2011, 08:35 PM) i am using joven 830i If you water pressure is good than just off the pump lal...else just have to go alone with the stupid sound... with pump rm395 cash n carry from ELK sooooooooo good but pump abit noisy...hehehe  |
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Nov 27 2011, 10:52 PM
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QUOTE(Jo_da48 @ Nov 27 2011, 08:46 PM) If you water pressure is good than just off the pump lal...else just have to go alone with the stupid sound... haha not cutting tree then ok d |
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Dec 3 2011, 09:36 PM
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Hi, anyone here has experience with storage heater? what brand and how many litres needed for a house of 4 ppl?
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Dec 5 2011, 12:07 AM
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QUOTE(noien @ Dec 4 2011, 10:53 PM) but dono about alpha dc and panasonic dc |
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Dec 5 2011, 12:27 AM
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QUOTE(zheilwane @ Dec 5 2011, 12:07 AM) Hw good is alpha and panasonic? At least Joven I70P is proven to b silent and good, supported by videos that i posted and also from LYN members feedback. not sure about panasonic .. but alpha have models that are silent & quite last.i'm using alpha S-series. |
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Dec 5 2011, 07:31 AM
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Just tested by i70P that purchased from zheilwane, seriously, I m really impressed by the silent sound
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Dec 5 2011, 08:05 AM
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QUOTE(zheilwane @ Dec 5 2011, 12:07 AM) Hw good is alpha and panasonic? At least Joven I70P is proven to b silent and good, supported by videos that i posted and also from LYN members feedback. no review for alpha and panasonic but 1 of my 3unit joven cant even heat up the water temp and the tech stil cant rectify the prob |
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Dec 5 2011, 08:13 AM
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If it is still under warranty, u can PM me ur details, i will make sure they get it fixed
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Dec 5 2011, 08:32 AM
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QUOTE(Life_House @ Dec 5 2011, 12:27 AM) not sure about panasonic .. but alpha have models that are silent & quite last. Panasonic have a very long history of making water heater. Before you born. i'm using alpha S-series. I trust more on Panasonic than others new comer. |
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Dec 5 2011, 08:47 AM
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QUOTE(ozak @ Dec 5 2011, 08:32 AM) Panasonic have a very long history of making water heater. Before you born. true agreed, i've been using a national (pana) water heater for over 15yrs @ my hometown, and never gave me an issue. I trust more on Panasonic than others new comer. another one here, 7yrs = no prob and my new house, back to the basic panasonic Not to mention, other brands are not really that cheap too (in relative to panasonic) |
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Dec 5 2011, 08:48 AM
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QUOTE(noien @ Dec 5 2011, 08:05 AM) no review for alpha and panasonic but 1 of my 3unit joven cant even heat up the water temp and the tech stil cant rectify the prob Panasonic is for sure the best quality but the design is not favoured by the users because not trendy enough."elephant bathing symbol" However, Japanese company rather prefers number 1 in safety feature than design feature. Sooner or later, panasonic will come out a lot of water heater media ads to expose in the market. To note that, panasonic never made AC pump heater from the moment they started in producing the instant water heater 20 more years ago. Japanese know the consequences of the AC pump heater. So, they say no to problem and complaint. |
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Dec 5 2011, 09:01 AM
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QUOTE(zheilwane @ Dec 5 2011, 08:13 AM) If it is still under warranty, u can PM me ur details, i will make sure they get it fixed it is ok.i call them to ask their technician to come again.and the receptionist QUOTE(iamsobloodysick @ Dec 5 2011, 08:48 AM) Panasonic is for sure the best quality but the design is not favoured by the users because not trendy enough. i do agree.i have a national for about 18 years of age too."elephant bathing symbol" However, Japanese company rather prefers number 1 in safety feature than design feature. Sooner or later, panasonic will come out a lot of water heater media ads to expose in the market. To note that, panasonic never made AC pump heater from the moment they started in producing the instant water heater 20 more years ago. Japanese know the consequences of the AC pump heater. So, they say no to problem and complaint. but panasonic dc pump came out just after i bought my joven |
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QUOTE(iamsobloodysick @ Dec 5 2011, 08:48 AM) To note that, panasonic never made AC pump heater from the moment they started in producing the instant water heater 20 more years ago. Japanese know the consequences of the AC pump heater. So, they say no to problem and complaint. how's the DC pump on the latest panasonic water heater ? is it good as joven / alpha in terms of noise or better still how "lasting" is it ? |
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QUOTE(noien @ Dec 5 2011, 09:01 AM) it is ok.i call them to ask their technician to come again.and the receptionist Huh? i do agree.i have a national for about 18 years of age too. but panasonic dc pump came out just after i bought my joven Panasonic DC pump heater is not new in the market...Sudah lama dah Ada Liao leh.. Yes, last time they named National and now they convert it to Panasonic. |
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QUOTE(iamsobloodysick @ Dec 5 2011, 09:05 AM) Huh? any idea on the quality ?Panasonic DC pump heater is not new in the market...Sudah lama dah Ada Liao leh.. Yes, last time they named National and now they convert it to Panasonic. |
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QUOTE(iamsobloodysick @ Dec 5 2011, 09:05 AM) Huh? then my mistake.coz i din see any in jusco or electrical shop.they have alpha,joven,beebest and only basic model for panasonic.i saw the dc pump panasonic only last week when i went to buy panasonic cordless phone and the sales girl say it is a new model @@Panasonic DC pump heater is not new in the market...Sudah lama dah Ada Liao leh.. Yes, last time they named National and now they convert it to Panasonic. |
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QUOTE(iamsobloodysick @ Dec 5 2011, 08:48 AM) Panasonic is for sure the best quality but the design is not favoured by the users because not trendy enough. It is not all just about that. It is about the OEM type vs the real manufacturing. "elephant bathing symbol" However, Japanese company rather prefers number 1 in safety feature than design feature. Sooner or later, panasonic will come out a lot of water heater media ads to expose in the market. To note that, panasonic never made AC pump heater from the moment they started in producing the instant water heater 20 more years ago. Japanese know the consequences of the AC pump heater. So, they say no to problem and complaint. Panasonic have r&d, resource and manufacturing the heater. So they know from a to z about heater. While others probably just OEM or buy the component and assembly themselves. Stick the brand and sell. |
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QUOTE(ozak @ Dec 5 2011, 09:10 AM) It is not all just about that. It is about the OEM type vs the real manufacturing. +1Panasonic have r&d, resource and manufacturing the heater. So they know from a to z about heater. While others probably just OEM or buy the component and assembly themselves. Stick the brand and sell. U have got the point. |
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Dec 5 2011, 12:13 PM
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Yeah...agree to iamsobloodysick....
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is all the new modal (Joven or Panasonic) both didn't have option to disable the use of pump any more? Or I missing something on the manual?
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QUOTE(Jo_da48 @ Dec 31 2011, 12:23 AM) is all the new modal (Joven or Panasonic) both didn't have option to disable the use of pump any more? Or I missing something on the manual? Joven i70P have a side button to disable the water pump |
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QUOTE(Jo_da48 @ Dec 31 2011, 12:23 AM) is all the new modal (Joven or Panasonic) both didn't have option to disable the use of pump any more? Or I missing something on the manual? Actually I don't see it need a switch. My heater do have a switch but never use it from day 1. The water pressure is pretty stable either low or high. |
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Jan 4 2012, 09:40 PM
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Anyone using S200EP Alpha instant heater? Does it always that loud when the pump is on?
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Any comments on Electrolux heaters? haven't see much ppl comment on safety, price and water heat level
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QUOTE(drakenkorin @ Mar 31 2012, 10:12 PM) Any comments on Electrolux heaters? haven't see much ppl comment on safety, price and water heat level they got do water heater meh ?Added on March 31, 2012, 11:38 pm QUOTE(lowlowc @ Jan 4 2012, 09:40 PM) Anyone using S200EP Alpha instant heater? Does it always that loud when the pump is on? how loud is loud ? you compare it with any other water heater /w pump ?there is a youtube video of joven's pump sound level maybe u can see that one This post has been edited by JinXXX: Mar 31 2012, 11:38 PM |
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any feedback for Alpha Smart-18I ???
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QUOTE(leeyung @ Nov 15 2011, 06:23 AM) yeah, find zheilwane, best of the best price ever, I go for Joven i70P, get it from zheilwane at good price where is zheilwane's shop ? |
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QUOTE(charlieboy61 @ Apr 16 2012, 05:09 PM) where is zheilwane's shop ? check his signaturehttp://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showuser=150953 |
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QUOTE(charlieboy61 @ Apr 16 2012, 05:09 PM) where is zheilwane's shop ? i got Joven i70P from zeilwane..(Zen)...Zen i m promoting you.. .....i bought johnson suisse and joven with him..Zen do you remember me or not,l bought with you 2 joven and i sorento mirror...last 2 weeks ago.
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don't ever buy pensonic water heater ... use 6 months then spoilt already .... now need to dismantle and claim for warranty ... then need to fix it back ... better use panasonic ... my house panasonic use for 15 years already still working
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QUOTE(kelvin_ck1 @ Apr 17 2012, 11:24 PM) don't ever buy pensonic water heater ... use 6 months then spoilt already .... now need to dismantle and claim for warranty ... then need to fix it back ... better use panasonic ... my house panasonic use for 15 years already still working Eh... Why you buy pensonic when you know panasonic is good? |
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another of my joven i80 spoilt. the water heater have some kind of sound after using for a short while. worst thing is when the sound start, the water pressure become low and i din even on the pump
need to call for service again. ntg to do with the water pressure for my house since the other 2 work fine. |
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QUOTE(tomjason @ Apr 17 2012, 09:12 AM) i got Joven i70P from zeilwane..(Zen)...Zen i m promoting you.. thanks bro .....i bought johnson suisse and joven with him..Zen do you remember me or not,l bought with you 2 joven and i sorento mirror...last 2 weeks ago.
Here is my shop http://maps.google.com.my/maps?f=q&source=...4,0.001725&z=19 We are open 2day in conjunction with our stock clearance sales from 10am - 4pm. We are usually closed on sunday |
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QUOTE(Jo_da48 @ Apr 16 2012, 09:28 PM) Thanks. I was also hoping for a phone contact |
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QUOTE(charlieboy61 @ Apr 22 2012, 03:48 PM) Thanks. I was also hoping for a phone contact why not you just PM him or you could just leave your number here and ask him to contact you... |
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QUOTE(lowlowc @ Jan 4 2012, 09:40 PM) Anyone using S200EP Alpha instant heater? Does it always that loud when the pump is on? I am using Alpha water heater, forgot what series was it ..and I won't buy it again ... yes, IT'S LOUD when the pump's on! |
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Sometimes if the incoming water supply to the heater is not strong enough, there is loud sound from the water heater. I have experience this before; using the same water heater, installed at 2 different bathrooms. When the water pressure is strong, no loud pump noise.
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QUOTE(zheilwane @ Apr 22 2012, 08:28 AM) thanks bro i hv bad remark for Joven....Here is my shop http://maps.google.com.my/maps?f=q&source=...4,0.001725&z=19 We are open 2day in conjunction with our stock clearance sales from 10am - 4pm. We are usually closed on sunday I hv finished installed my new Joven i70P on last saturday....but not functioning..both heater and its pump..already contacted Joven...wau very slow respond...i bought 2 joven i70P..one ok..but one not ok. They even said to charge me if due to bad water pressure....i hv installed 2 water heater myself.....one ok..one not ok.. this is the first time my experience with company want to charged (during warranty)....i hv many kind of household products such toshiba,panasonic,alpha, hitachi,bee best,johnson suisse etc...they dont charge for what so ever reason (during warranty) when customer complained they have problem with the product and they came to check. be carefull if to choose Joven.... This post has been edited by tomjason: May 15 2012, 11:20 AM |
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QUOTE(ozak @ Dec 5 2011, 08:32 AM) Panasonic have a very long history of making water heater. Before you born. ditto .. panasonic to me is a trusted brand (for aircond and water heaters at least) I trust more on Panasonic than others new comer. Added on May 2, 2012, 2:25 pmzheilwane, do you sell panasonic water heaters at your shop? This post has been edited by iamwho: May 2 2012, 02:25 PM |
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is joven i80p better than i70p?
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Any users of Panasonic new jet pump series? Please give some feedback is it have powerful, silent pump?
Need it as it has narrower body compare to especially Joven due to my bath area is quite small. Need to know as I wish to use it to power rain shower (8") in my 5th floor apartment. |
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QUOTE(tomjason @ May 2 2012, 11:05 AM) i hv bad remark for Joven.... mine only give me lots of reason before comingI hv finished installed my new Joven i70P on last saturday....but not functioning..both heater and its pump..already contacted Joven...wau very slow respond...i bought 2 joven i70P..one ok..but one not ok. They even said to charge me if due to bad water pressure....i hv installed 2 water heater myself.....one ok..one not ok.. this is the first time my experience with company want to charged (during warranty)....i hv many kind of household products such toshiba,panasonic,alpha, hitachi,bee best,johnson suisse etc...they dont charge for what so ever reason (during warranty) when customer complained they have problem with the product and they came to check. be carefull if to choose Joven.... QUOTE(Auwen @ May 3 2012, 08:41 AM) is joven i80p better than i70p? the same.only the casing is diff |
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May 12 2012, 12:31 PM
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the same.only the casing is diff
[/quote] i80 without pump, i70 with pump, correct me if wrong.. |
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May 12 2012, 12:38 PM
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[quote=AdrianSiang,May 12 2012, 12:31 PM]
the same.only the casing is diff [/quote] i80 without pump, i70 with pump, correct me if wrong.. [/quote] erm,if u r i80p and i 70p then both is the same |
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QUOTE(kelvyn @ Apr 24 2012, 05:42 PM) Sometimes if the incoming water supply to the heater is not strong enough, there is loud sound from the water heater. I have experience this before; using the same water heater, installed at 2 different bathrooms. When the water pressure is strong, no loud pump noise. I am using alpha s series, less than 2 years and start to have problem, the pump will shut off during shower and always need to reset and still won't work. It's rather expensive compared to some other brands but prrformance wise below expectation. Not sure if it's the incoming water pressure or the unit itself. Not sure if it's still safe to use. |
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QUOTE(Dayung73 @ Jul 1 2012, 06:06 PM) I am using alpha s series, less than 2 years and start to have problem, the pump will shut off during shower and always need to reset and still won't work. It's rather expensive compared to some other brands but prrformance wise below expectation. Not sure if it's the incoming water pressure or the unit itself. Not sure if it's still safe to use. Why don't ask the service guy come and check? Don't gambling with your life. |
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QUOTE(ozak @ Jul 1 2012, 06:31 PM) Why don't ask the service guy come and check? Don't gambling with your life. Went to the shop i bought it from, they said will send the service guy but never turned up. Don't know if they did or not, so i don't have faith in alpha anymore. Gonna move out in a few months or i dont plan to install a new one. |
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QUOTE(Dayung73 @ Jul 1 2012, 07:11 PM) Went to the shop i bought it from, they said will send the service guy but never turned up. Don't know if they did or not, so i don't have faith in alpha anymore. Gonna move out in a few months or i dont plan to install a new one. You need to call direct to the alpha service center. Not the shop. |
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QUOTE(ozak @ Jul 1 2012, 07:17 PM) You need to call direct to the alpha service center. Not the shop. I should do that, thanks. |
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Here is a new model by Joven and our new package with CABANA rain shower set.
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QUOTE(tomjason @ May 2 2012, 11:05 AM) i hv bad remark for Joven.... Why exactly same issue like mine.I hv finished installed my new Joven i70P on last saturday....but not functioning..both heater and its pump..already contacted Joven...wau very slow respond...i bought 2 joven i70P..one ok..but one not ok. They even said to charge me if due to bad water pressure....i hv installed 2 water heater myself.....one ok..one not ok.. this is the first time my experience with company want to charged (during warranty)....i hv many kind of household products such toshiba,panasonic,alpha, hitachi,bee best,johnson suisse etc...they dont charge for what so ever reason (during warranty) when customer complained they have problem with the product and they came to check. be carefull if to choose Joven.... I bought 2 x joven i70P. one working OK, one no water come out (sometimes a little bit but the pump not really working). Regret, regret... |
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joven sl30p pump is DC pump or AC pump?on the website juz says booster pump lol like wth...
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Sep 4 2013, 11:35 PM
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Choose DC pump quiet ma.
QUOTE(~Curious~ @ Sep 4 2013, 11:32 PM) joven sl30p pump is DC pump or AC pump?on the website juz says booster pump lol like wth... |
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QUOTE(petlu28 @ Sep 4 2013, 11:35 PM) Choose DC pump quiet ma. yea that was what i readso is joven sl30p using DC pump or AC? |
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In Joven website just have mention "Quiet operation below 70 dB". Anyone can help Curious?
QUOTE(~Curious~ @ Sep 5 2013, 02:14 PM) yea that was what i read so is joven sl30p using DC pump or AC? |
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What is the price for i70P?
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QUOTE Japanese couple found dead in Mont Kiara apartment Don't play play. KUALA LUMPUR: The bodies of a Japanese couple were found in the bathroom of their apartment in Mont Kiara here. City CID chief Senior Asst Comm Datuk Ku Chin Wah said the housekeeper found the bodies of the married couple, aged 38, at around 10am on the 13th floor apartment unit. "We believe the husband was electrocuted while taking a shower. "His wife heard the noise in the bathroom and came to his aid but was also electrocuted," he said when contacted on Monday. The body of the man was in the nude while the woman was fully clothed. It is believed the water heater unit short-circuited leading to the electrocution. SAC Ku said the case has been classified as sudden death. "The bodies have been sent to the Kuala Lumpur Hospital for post mortem," he said adding that police would be taking the statement of the housekeeper soon  Ketchup sos This post has been edited by ozak: Sep 9 2013, 04:00 PM |
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QUOTE(ozak @ Sep 9 2013, 03:59 PM) This one is what kind of heater you think? I bet it is those instant |
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QUOTE(idoblu @ Sep 9 2013, 04:05 PM) This one is what kind of heater you think? I bet it is those instant If rented, probably yes. But in mont kiara, those are expensive condo. Maybe using storage type too. |
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can't get info what type heater using.
QUOTE(ozak @ Sep 9 2013, 04:11 PM) If rented, probably yes. But in mont kiara, those are expensive condo. Maybe using storage type too. |
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QUOTE(petlu28 @ Sep 9 2013, 04:19 PM) can't get info what type heater using. Normally either instant heater or storage heater lah. |
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Sep 9 2013, 04:37 PM
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This news make me headache again.
 QUOTE(ozak @ Sep 9 2013, 04:23 PM) Normally either instant heater or storage heater lah. |
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QUOTE(petlu28 @ Sep 9 2013, 04:37 PM) This news make me headache again. Aiyah. No worry lah. Die is die lor. |
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hahaha okok. Even solar also have problem later.
QUOTE(ozak @ Sep 9 2013, 04:54 PM) Aiyah. No worry lah. Die is die lor. |
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I think more important is to make sure your ELCB is working and earth wire is grounded
over at the Property forum, someone suggested to turn off the heater before taking your shower. thats a good idea if you takut but of course,you cant do this with instant heaters This post has been edited by idoblu: Sep 9 2013, 05:25 PM |
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Purchased Alpha Smart 18i from Perfect Lifestyle fair a week ago, and they have came for installation yesterday,this is the first time in my life that i am installing water heater (all the while,my parents refuse to install heater because worry of electricity leakage),and holy shit,they use a PVC pipe to connect the output of my original rain water shower output to the heater input, and now, I can see the whole PVC pipe naked on the tiles which is about 2 meter long.....
Oh my god,i really can't accept that after spent so much of money to renovate the house,and the ugly part appear in the toilet!!! Really learnt my lesson, anybody here got idea how to overcome this?? except drill hole and put the pipe inside, and redo the tiles?? |
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QUOTE(hontoni1983 @ Sep 9 2013, 05:51 PM) Purchased Alpha Smart 18i from Perfect Lifestyle fair a week ago, and they have came for installation yesterday,this is the first time in my life that i am installing water heater (all the while,my parents refuse to install heater because worry of electricity leakage),and holy shit,they use a PVC pipe to connect the output of my original rain water shower output to the heater input, and now, I can see the whole PVC pipe naked on the tiles which is about 2 meter long..... No way to settle this, unless u replace the pipe with a flexible (steel type) of pipe, then might not so obvious.Oh my god,i really can't accept that after spent so much of money to renovate the house,and the ugly part appear in the toilet!!! Really learnt my lesson, anybody here got idea how to overcome this?? except drill hole and put the pipe inside, and redo the tiles?? Or else the pvc pipe goes on line with the top ceiling roof and paint the roughly same color. got photo? This post has been edited by sovietmah: Sep 9 2013, 05:54 PM |
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QUOTE(hontoni1983 @ Sep 9 2013, 05:51 PM) Purchased Alpha Smart 18i from Perfect Lifestyle fair a week ago, and they have came for installation yesterday,this is the first time in my life that i am installing water heater (all the while,my parents refuse to install heater because worry of electricity leakage),and holy shit,they use a PVC pipe to connect the output of my original rain water shower output to the heater input, and now, I can see the whole PVC pipe naked on the tiles which is about 2 meter long..... Instant water heater will have this problem, any type you use sure will see the pipe. You can use stainless steel pipe that will make it nicer. Have to pay higher price.Oh my god,i really can't accept that after spent so much of money to renovate the house,and the ugly part appear in the toilet!!! Really learnt my lesson, anybody here got idea how to overcome this?? except drill hole and put the pipe inside, and redo the tiles?? |
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QUOTE(weikee @ Sep 9 2013, 05:57 PM) Instant water heater will have this problem, any type you use sure will see the pipe. You can use stainless steel pipe that will make it nicer. Have to pay higher price. If i am him i will hack the tiles. but how come it will be 2 meters long? i couldn't understand, by right at least you should decided the position of ur water heater, more or less 2 feet diff. |
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QUOTE(weikee @ Sep 9 2013, 05:57 PM) Instant water heater will have this problem, any type you use sure will see the pipe. You can use stainless steel pipe that will make it nicer. Have to pay higher price. Even flexible hose will not look nice. PVC will look better compare to flexible steel hose. |
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QUOTE(sovietmah @ Sep 9 2013, 05:58 PM) If i am him i will hack the tiles. but how come it will be 2 meters long? i couldn't understand, by right at least you should decided the position of ur water heater, more or less 2 feet diff. Maybe is few feet if tap from shower head. 2meter bit too much. |
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Why houses/condo nowadays don't come with copper piping for storage heaters?
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QUOTE(idoblu @ Sep 9 2013, 07:46 PM) Why houses/condo nowadays don't come with copper piping for storage heaters? Cheaper cost maMy 20 years old medium cost condo also included |
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After boil off power then still can enjoy hot water?
QUOTE(weikee @ Sep 9 2013, 08:25 PM) Cheaper cost ma This post has been edited by petlu28: Sep 9 2013, 08:32 PM |
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QUOTE(weikee @ Sep 9 2013, 08:25 PM) Cheaper cost ma its also a possibility that owners do not know about these things. just pasang only without realizing that their bathrooms are equipped for storage heaters |
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Sep 9 2013, 08:34 PM
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QUOTE(idoblu @ Sep 9 2013, 08:33 PM) its also a possibility that owners do not know about these things. just pasang only without realizing that their bathrooms are equipped for storage heaters Where got so stupid. Very obvious |
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Sep 9 2013, 08:38 PM
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QUOTE(petlu28 @ Sep 9 2013, 08:31 PM) After boil off power then still can enjoy hot water? Yes still hot water inside. Depend how long it was heated. After my wife bath, she will usually off it. And my 5-10 mins bath is still sufficient. |
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Sep 9 2013, 08:38 PM
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QUOTE(weikee @ Sep 9 2013, 08:34 PM) Where got so stupid. Very obvious if you read some of the questions people are asking just on this page alone, you can see that there must be a possibilitythat they wont know if their homes are equipped for storage heaters or not. copper pipe is concealed. only thing showing is a mixer knob or two depending on design. you'd be surprised how many wont know This post has been edited by idoblu: Sep 9 2013, 08:40 PM |
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Sep 9 2013, 08:43 PM
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Think this way more secure prevent electrocute.
QUOTE(weikee @ Sep 9 2013, 08:38 PM) Yes still hot water inside. Depend how long it was heated. After my wife bath, she will usually off it. And my 5-10 mins bath is still sufficient. |
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Sep 9 2013, 08:59 PM
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QUOTE(idoblu @ Sep 9 2013, 08:38 PM) if you read some of the questions people are asking just on this page alone, you can see that there must be a possibility Haha sometime I wonder...that they wont know if their homes are equipped for storage heaters or not. copper pipe is concealed. only thing showing is a mixer knob or two depending on design. you'd be surprised how many wont know Well When buy new house the developer will put it in the brochure ma. If old house will see got switch but no wires on the bath room + mixer. |
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Sep 9 2013, 09:02 PM
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QUOTE(petlu28 @ Sep 9 2013, 08:43 PM) Think this way more secure prevent electrocute. Higher chances to die in car accident than water heater electrocute. Don't drive car safer. |
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Sep 9 2013, 09:05 PM
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brochures will say "heater point", 2 to 3 years later apa "point" also forgotten lah
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Sep 9 2013, 09:07 PM
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QUOTE(hontoni1983 @ Sep 9 2013, 05:51 PM) Purchased Alpha Smart 18i from Perfect Lifestyle fair a week ago, and they have came for installation yesterday,this is the first time in my life that i am installing water heater (all the while,my parents refuse to install heater because worry of electricity leakage),and holy shit,they use a PVC pipe to connect the output of my original rain water shower output to the heater input, and now, I can see the whole PVC pipe naked on the tiles which is about 2 meter long..... is your bathroom equipped for storage water heater? Oh my god,i really can't accept that after spent so much of money to renovate the house,and the ugly part appear in the toilet!!! Really learnt my lesson, anybody here got idea how to overcome this?? except drill hole and put the pipe inside, and redo the tiles?? This post has been edited by idoblu: Sep 9 2013, 09:14 PM |
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QUOTE(sovietmah @ Sep 4 2013, 02:55 PM) Why exactly same issue like mine. thanks for sharing this info.Initially i plan to use Joven or another brand as i heard they got support. But after heard your story and bad support, sorry,make out my mind to drop Joven as part of my list.I bought 2 x joven i70P. one working OK, one no water come out (sometimes a little bit but the pump not really working). Regret, regret... |
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Sep 9 2013, 09:15 PM
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QUOTE(petlu28 @ Sep 9 2013, 04:37 PM) This news make me headache again. hahah....u can choose dont use water heater. bath using cold water. |
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Sep 9 2013, 09:17 PM
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QUOTE(ozak @ Sep 9 2013, 03:59 PM) Mont kiara. Should be using expensive heater!!!. Then don't mentioned brand- to cover up story |
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Sep 9 2013, 10:58 PM
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QUOTE(ericlaiys @ Sep 9 2013, 09:17 PM) Mont kiara. Should be using expensive heater!!!. Then don't mentioned brand- to cover up story Read many time this kind of case. Last time got read a Sweden couple died in Thailand resort. Electrocuted by instant heater too. Also local here son help farther and both died. Some more got picture. Scary.News normally cannot mention brand. But I know got 2 brand got such case before. |
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Sep 9 2013, 11:23 PM
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Those famous brand also have this kind problem before but still a lot ppl use it. Have another brand didn't use heat element but price expensive.
QUOTE(ozak @ Sep 9 2013, 10:58 PM) Read many time this kind of case. Last time got read a Sweden couple died in Thailand resort. Electrocuted by instant heater too. Also local here son help farther and both died. Some more got picture. Scary. News normally cannot mention brand. But I know got 2 brand got such case before. |
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Sep 10 2013, 07:12 AM
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Got so much worry use gas lo. Even solar you risk lightning.
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Sep 10 2013, 07:36 AM
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Gas also will boom. Take cool water better.
QUOTE(weikee @ Sep 10 2013, 07:12 AM) Got so much worry use gas lo. Even solar you risk lightning. |
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Sep 10 2013, 07:47 AM
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Storage heaters and mini heat pump the safest.
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Sep 10 2013, 08:33 AM
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QUOTE(petlu28 @ Sep 9 2013, 11:23 PM) Those famous brand also have this kind problem before but still a lot ppl use it. Have another brand didn't use heat element but price expensive. I avoid those I know. Just like the rest of ppl. Those never heard will brought it. Those knew it will avoid it. Malaysia is product safe heaven. You don't get sue if your product kill. In US, you kena sue till no underwear. |
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Sep 10 2013, 08:40 AM
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QUOTE(idoblu @ Sep 10 2013, 07:47 AM) Storage heaters and mini heat pump the safest. During gas heater era, not much news I heard about gas explosion. Normally the leaking is very small. Rather a fire than explosion. Gas can leak, cause fire and explosion Gas heater have a safety valve. Which will shutdown when high pressure release. Even if a gas hose broken, the most is fire shut out. Because the gas valve limit the pressure. I saw this kind of situation before during makan steambot. Scary. The most famous news using gas heater is suicide. Specially in HK. Even HK actress use gas heater for suicide. |
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Sep 10 2013, 08:53 AM
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QUOTE(idoblu @ Sep 10 2013, 07:47 AM) Storage heaters and mini heat pump the safest. Eat also can choke. No need to eat. Gas can leak, cause fire and explosion In life we do all the precautions we can, if really want to go is time to go. What we can do is make sure the thing we install are safe and product we get are good brand. Heard from radio today the water heater that cause of death of the couple is instant water heater. |
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Sep 10 2013, 09:01 AM
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QUOTE(ozak @ Sep 10 2013, 08:40 AM) During gas heater era, not much news I heard about gas explosion. Normally the leaking is very small. Rather a fire than explosion. i am just half kidding around, hence my Gas heater have a safety valve. Which will shutdown when high pressure release. Even if a gas hose broken, the most is fire shut out. Because the gas valve limit the pressure. I saw this kind of situation before during makan steambot. Scary. The most famous news using gas heater is suicide. Specially in HK. Even HK actress use gas heater for suicide. at the end.just like electric heaters, there is suppose to have a level of safety thru the ELCB....but as you can see, anything can happen those gas water heaters with the big tank.....I dont think its available here any more. Only those small ones like what Rinnai is selling those with the big tank has a pilot light continuously burning just like stove and oven from yester-years |
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Sep 10 2013, 09:03 AM
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QUOTE(weikee @ Sep 10 2013, 08:53 AM) Eat also can choke. No need to eat. I have no doubts its one of those instant kind. In life we do all the precautions we can, if really want to go is time to go. What we can do is make sure the thing we install are safe and product we get are good brand. Heard from radio today the water heater that cause of death of the couple is instant water heater. |
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Sep 10 2013, 09:13 AM
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Thanks your info. my colleague just say both couple 35 years old ++ only. Left 6 month baby at home. sigh!!!
QUOTE(weikee @ Sep 10 2013, 08:53 AM) Eat also can choke. No need to eat. In life we do all the precautions we can, if really want to go is time to go. What we can do is make sure the thing we install are safe and product we get are good brand. Heard from radio today the water heater that cause of death of the couple is instant water heater. |
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Sep 10 2013, 09:15 AM
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QUOTE(idoblu @ Sep 10 2013, 09:03 AM) I have no doubts its one of those instant kind. The sad news is, they left behind a 6 months old baby. Pray for the baby finding a good home. |
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Sep 10 2013, 09:36 AM
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Really don't no what went wrong. The instalation guy problem? Why the safety device can't protect?
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Sep 10 2013, 09:39 AM
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I am using water heater brand is Eaga.
Seems like china brand? and very hot the water even under the condo's water tank pressure, no local product can compete so far from my experience.  I might be the next one to die u see.. This post has been edited by sovietmah: Sep 10 2013, 09:40 AM |
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I have experienced with 2 water heaters, here are my point of views.
Pensonic - Kinda ok, the trip function seems to work well. Reset and it's fine to go again. Euro Uno - Cheap in price, good in reliability. No problems so far, been using it for about 7 years now & tripped only once due to power shortage as my wife turned on the vacuum while I was showering. |
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Sep 10 2013, 09:47 AM
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is it because of lightning and heavy rain in Mont Kiara area? i do not know because i am not staying at KL.
Just prevent using water heater when there is lightning outside. |
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Sep 10 2013, 09:48 AM
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My colleague already using Joven brand 8 years already. After hear this news he plan change soon.
QUOTE(sovietmah @ Sep 10 2013, 09:39 AM) I am using water heater brand is Eaga. Seems like china brand? and very hot the water even under the condo's water tank pressure, no local product can compete so far from my experience. I might be the next one to die u see.. |
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QUOTE(weikee @ Sep 10 2013, 09:15 AM) The sad news is, they left behind a 6 months old baby. Pray for the baby finding a good home. oh man thats tragic |
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QUOTE(sovietmah @ Sep 9 2013, 05:58 PM) If i am him i will hack the tiles. but how come it will be 2 meters long? i couldn't understand, by right at least you should decided the position of ur water heater, more or less 2 feet diff. Because the pipe is from the top of ceiling until the heater |
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Sep 10 2013, 12:21 PM
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QUOTE(hontoni1983 @ Sep 10 2013, 12:14 PM) Because the pipe is from the top of ceiling until the heater Sounds like not just tiles and pipe need to redo, but the plaster ceiling or somethg else too. |
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QUOTE(hontoni1983 @ Sep 10 2013, 12:14 PM) Because the pipe is from the top of ceiling until the heater Ahh, can it be you already have rain shower with storage heater? |
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dont buy rubine , i get 2 new latest model intelligent series, even with normal pressure the water is just can consider warm.. not hot, even worst when turn on the pump.. just little warm only..
just casing nice but bad quality product ! Not recommande at all.. |
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QUOTE(weikee @ Sep 10 2013, 12:51 PM) Ahh, can it be you already have rain shower with storage heater? I don't think so...but just want to confirm how a centralised storage heater work? issit for every rain shower,there should be 2 pipes connected to a valve,then u can adjust the heat of the water (which in turn connected to valve to adjust how much hot water and how much cold water mix to rain shower) by turning the switch?My house currently only have 1 pipe connecting to rain shower. |
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QUOTE(hontoni1983 @ Sep 10 2013, 01:49 PM) I don't think so...but just want to confirm how a centralised storage heater work? issit for every rain shower,there should be 2 pipes connected to a valve,then u can adjust the heat of the water (which in turn connected to valve to adjust how much hot water and how much cold water mix to rain shower) by turning the switch? Don't need two pipe after the mixer, only one pipe after mixer. and depend what type of mixer use some come with one turning knob and piping conceal.My house currently only have 1 pipe connecting to rain shower. |
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Sep 10 2013, 02:35 PM
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QUOTE(weikee @ Sep 10 2013, 02:01 PM) Don't need two pipe after the mixer, only one pipe after mixer. and depend what type of mixer use some come with one turning knob and piping conceal. This is why I am angry with my developer,give me a nice shower rain on top of ceiling,but never give me the pipe for centralised water heater. Asking my reno sifu now to see how to do it with minimum hacking of tiles.... |
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Sep 10 2013, 03:48 PM
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QUOTE(hontoni1983 @ Sep 10 2013, 02:35 PM) This is why I am angry with my developer,give me a nice shower rain on top of ceiling,but never give me the pipe for centralised water heater. Asking my reno sifu now to see how to do it with minimum hacking of tiles.... maybe got leh, do you see a man hole cover on your ceiling in your bathroom?go up and take a look. Maybe there is a copper pipe there. The part that you can see usually very short length only. it wont be connected to anything. or take a look at your controls for turning on the water. do you see a red and blue dot? This post has been edited by idoblu: Sep 10 2013, 03:50 PM |
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Sep 10 2013, 04:15 PM
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what's an instant water heater? is it those that are mount on the wall type?
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QUOTE(idoblu @ Sep 10 2013, 03:48 PM) maybe got leh, do you see a man hole cover on your ceiling in your bathroom? On my ceiling, there is only one PVC hole which connected to rain shower, and there is no red and blue dot on the controllers to turn on the water,thats why i am very sure there is no built in pipe for centralised water heater,what a shame on the developer...go up and take a look. Maybe there is a copper pipe there. The part that you can see usually very short length only. it wont be connected to anything. or take a look at your controls for turning on the water. do you see a red and blue dot? |
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QUOTE(ccseong @ Sep 10 2013, 04:15 PM) what's an instant water heater? is it those that are mount on the wall type? |
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Sep 10 2013, 09:33 PM
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Anyone using Ariston Water heater? Any comment
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QUOTE(hontoni1983 @ Sep 9 2013, 05:51 PM) Purchased Alpha Smart 18i from Perfect Lifestyle fair a week ago, and they have came for installation yesterday,this is the first time in my life that i am installing water heater (all the while,my parents refuse to install heater because worry of electricity leakage),and holy shit,they use a PVC pipe to connect the output of my original rain water shower output to the heater input, and now, I can see the whole PVC pipe naked on the tiles which is about 2 meter long..... you may change to useflexi hose and a water way instead like mine:Oh my god,i really can't accept that after spent so much of money to renovate the house,and the ugly part appear in the toilet!!! Really learnt my lesson, anybody here got idea how to overcome this?? except drill hole and put the pipe inside, and redo the tiles?? Picture Here |
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Sep 11 2013, 10:23 AM
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QUOTE(IceBikers @ Sep 10 2013, 10:43 PM) Ya this one looks much more better.. |
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Sep 11 2013, 10:25 AM
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QUOTE(idoblu @ Sep 10 2013, 09:52 AM) oh man thats tragic Lucky the relative from Japan have come over and will take care the baby. RIP the parent. |
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Sep 11 2013, 10:51 AM
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QUOTE(weikee @ Sep 11 2013, 10:25 AM) Lucky the relative from Japan have come over and will take care the baby. RIP the parent. News said it is a haunted block. |
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Sep 11 2013, 10:57 AM
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don't scare ppl lor.
QUOTE(ozak @ Sep 11 2013, 10:51 AM) News said it is a haunted block. |
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Sep 11 2013, 12:57 PM
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QUOTE(telasdist @ Sep 10 2013, 09:29 PM) yes.. isn't that the typical water heater that mostly everyone uses? than we're not safe liao?? |
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Sep 11 2013, 01:01 PM
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QUOTE(IceBikers @ Sep 10 2013, 10:43 PM) Ya,looks much better,definitely better than ugly grey colour PVC pipe... |
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QUOTE(hontoni1983 @ Sep 11 2013, 01:01 PM) Ya,looks much better,definitely better than ugly grey colour PVC pipe... You can DIY, get a flexi hose and a water way.. but check how the contractor do the pipe outlet first. |
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Sep 14 2013, 01:46 AM
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wanted to buy a water heater for my grandma but worry she kena "shot" by electricity leakage, then i also gg..
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QUOTE(weikee @ Sep 10 2013, 07:12 AM) Got so much worry use gas lo. Even solar you risk lightning. What kind of lightning risk for solar heaters? You mean risk of lightning hitting the solar panel? |
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QUOTE(jchong @ Sep 14 2013, 08:08 AM) What kind of lightning risk for solar heaters? You mean risk of lightning hitting the solar panel? Yes, and also roof support. And Don't forget many solar panel come with backup heating element too. |
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hi, i wonder can i install the water heater with pump by using the water from tangki.
is the water pressure from tangki + pump enough for shower  thanks. This post has been edited by kitkat: Oct 20 2013, 05:25 PM |
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QUOTE(kitkat @ Oct 20 2013, 05:25 PM) hi, i wonder can i install the water heater with pump by using the water from tangki. It doesn't matter the height of the tangki when you have a pump. It all depends on the force of the pump. Normally a pump would work for a shower. Alternatively you can buy a heater comes with a pump.is the water pressure from tangki + pump enough for shower thanks. |
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QUOTE(stevie8 @ Oct 20 2013, 07:02 PM) It doesn't matter the height of the tangki when you have a pump. It all depends on the force of the pump. Normally a pump would work for a shower. Alternatively you can buy a heater comes with a pump. thanks for your advice. the higher the tangki, the higher the water pressure. I plan to install this, joven 880P for rm370. http://www.joven-electric.com/product_deta...d=2&series_id=8 This post has been edited by kitkat: Oct 20 2013, 07:54 PM |
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Oct 20 2013, 09:35 PM
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QUOTE(kitkat @ Oct 20 2013, 07:49 PM) thanks for your advice. the higher the tangki, the higher the water pressure. It is a good buy. Just make sure you have the right power point for it and not shared.I plan to install this, joven 880P for rm370. http://www.joven-electric.com/product_deta...d=2&series_id=8 |
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Oct 20 2013, 09:45 PM
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QUOTE(stevie8 @ Oct 20 2013, 09:35 PM) It is a good buy. Just make sure you have the right power point for it and not shared. i sharing the power point with one fluorescent light (short one, 2 feet long)I hope enough. |
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Oct 20 2013, 10:00 PM
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QUOTE(kitkat @ Oct 20 2013, 09:45 PM) i sharing the power point with one fluorescent light (short one, 2 feet long) It is ok sharing with a light which consume little power. 2 feet type is 20 watt and plus its ballast maybe takes another 20 watts. Total not more than 40 watts compare to 3kw a power point can support.I hope enough. |
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QUOTE(stevie8 @ Oct 20 2013, 10:00 PM) It is ok sharing with a light which consume little power. 2 feet type is 20 watt and plus its ballast maybe takes another 20 watts. Total not more than 40 watts compare to 3kw a power point can support. water pressure is the only thing i worry.anyway thanks for your advice, will go ahead. |
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QUOTE(stevie8 @ Oct 20 2013, 10:00 PM) It is ok sharing with a light which consume little power. 2 feet type is 20 watt and plus its ballast maybe takes another 20 watts. Total not more than 40 watts compare to 3kw a power point can support. Ballast where got use that much of wattage. |
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Oct 20 2013, 11:17 PM
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QUOTE(kitkat @ Oct 20 2013, 10:06 PM) water pressure is the only thing i worry. Water pressure will not good when coming from the tank. Unless your tank are locate higher.anyway thanks for your advice, will go ahead. |
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Oct 20 2013, 11:31 PM
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QUOTE(weikee @ Oct 20 2013, 11:17 PM) Water pressure will not good when coming from the tank. Unless your tank are locate higher. I believe so, hence hope that the pump will help.... |
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QUOTE(kitkat @ Oct 20 2013, 11:31 PM) I believe so, hence hope that the pump will help.... Alternatively you can connect the heater to direct main water pipe. The direct main pipe is the pipe that fill your tank to the float. Also you can have the option connecting to both with stop valves but only one can be use at a time. Never forget not to turn both on, if you do so the your tank will overflow. |
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Oct 21 2013, 09:40 AM
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However, you can add a non return valve for safety preventing tank overflow or can use both tank and direct. When there is no water supply to tank the heater will draw water from the tank.
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Oct 21 2013, 10:47 AM
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QUOTE(weikee @ Oct 20 2013, 11:16 PM) Ballast where got use that much of wattage. Weikee,If you are referring to electronic or a good ballast you are right. But in here we have to assume inefficient ballast for max calculation. See this web page: http://cannabis.com/growing/electric-How_M...really_use.html It said, "....A good ballast will have a power factor above 0.9 (i.e. more than 90% of the power it draws is used to power the bulb). Cheaper (lower quality) ballasts often have power factors of 0.5 or less. That's right, only half of the power gets to the bulb. So a 150W lamp would be drawing 300W of power."... |
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Oct 21 2013, 11:03 AM
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Not that much in term if wastage. Power factor affect current not watt hour(energy). That is the same trick the so call energy saving device seller con people. They measure by power factor but not energy use. You see they always use ballast to show how inefficient the light can be, and switch on the magic device tada current drop and look like lots if saving. But that only playing with power factor not true energy usage. These base on my limited e&e knowledge I learned sometime back. Most of the technical calculation gip back to the colleague already.
Think a good conventional ballast is around 0.7+ QUOTE(stevie8 @ Oct 21 2013, 10:47 AM) Weikee, If you are referring to electronic or a good ballast you are right. But in here we have to assume inefficient ballast for max calculation. See this web page: http://cannabis.com/growing/electric-How_M...really_use.html It said, "....A good ballast will have a power factor above 0.9 (i.e. more than 90% of the power it draws is used to power the bulb). Cheaper (lower quality) ballasts often have power factors of 0.5 or less. That's right, only half of the power gets to the bulb. So a 150W lamp would be drawing 300W of power."... |
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Oct 21 2013, 11:04 AM
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Kitkat,
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Oct 21 2013, 11:09 AM
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Never connect the non-return valve outside the tank between the outlet pipe. This is because nothing last forever, when you need to change you have problem unless your connection is a union. By installing the non return valve in the tank outlet pipe (as shown in the diagram posted above) you can change it easily by just unscrew it and put the new replacement.
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Oct 21 2013, 11:14 AM
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Need to use good quality valve, never use PVC valve.
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Oct 21 2013, 11:21 AM
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Anyone tried Seers instant water heater ?
http://seers.com.my/our-product/instant-water-heater appreciate feedback. |
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Oct 21 2013, 11:23 AM
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Non- return valves
  Union A union consists of 3 separate pieces + a rubber ring. To connect screw to hand tight. to disconnect unscrew it, you can then change the non-return valve.  |
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Oct 21 2013, 11:27 AM
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QUOTE(daz55 @ Oct 21 2013, 11:21 AM) Anyone tried Seers instant water heater ? I placed a deposit at HomeDec for DC-Heater yesterday. Based on what the sales person mentioned and demonstrated, I'm quite convinced. Main features - low power consumption 350-750watts vs conventional 3000watts, no heating elements hence no risk of electrical shock. A fiend of mine bought the same brand at last year's HomeDec and have no complaints to-date.http://seers.com.my/our-product/instant-water-heater appreciate feedback. |
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Oct 21 2013, 11:47 AM
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QUOTE(*StarGazer* @ Oct 21 2013, 11:27 AM) I placed a deposit at HomeDec for DC-Heater yesterday. Based on what the sales person mentioned and demonstrated, I'm quite convinced. Main features - low power consumption 350-750watts vs conventional 3000watts, no heating elements hence no risk of electrical shock. A fiend of mine bought the same brand at last year's HomeDec and have no complaints to-date. Hi, Are you getting the tank water heater or the instant water heater ? How much is the unit with pump ? |
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Oct 21 2013, 11:59 AM
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Hi guys,
i always wonder does water heaters with pump increase water pressure significantly? is it really necessary to get 1 with pump? looking at normal water heaters vs. with pump, price is almost half. |
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Oct 21 2013, 12:19 PM
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QUOTE(*StarGazer* @ Oct 21 2013, 11:27 AM) I placed a deposit at HomeDec for DC-Heater yesterday. Based on what the sales person mentioned and demonstrated, I'm quite convinced. Main features - low power consumption 350-750watts vs conventional 3000watts, no heating elements hence no risk of electrical shock. A fiend of mine bought the same brand at last year's HomeDec and have no complaints to-date. I wonder how does it work, did they give you the time required to heat up the water from 24c to 50c for the given storage capacity? If reduce power, the time will have to increase. |
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Oct 21 2013, 12:26 PM
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QUOTE(weikee @ Oct 21 2013, 12:19 PM) I wonder how does it work, did they give you the time required to heat up the water from 24c to 50c for the given storage capacity? If reduce power, the time will have to increase. Sales person mentioned that it only takes less than 5 min to heat up IF the switch has been switched off earlier. Unlike conventional ways, she advised to keep the switch on 24/7 (cos it's low power consumption) unless you intend to go for holidays. She had a demo on the plate which is used in their water heaters. With just a little voltage from the cell battery, the plate took merely few seconds to heat up. |
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Oct 21 2013, 12:28 PM
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QUOTE(daz55 @ Oct 21 2013, 11:47 AM) Hi, I am getting the tank heater. If not mistaken, the instant water heater is RM799 with pumpAre you getting the tank water heater or the instant water heater ? How much is the unit with pump ? |
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Oct 21 2013, 12:29 PM
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QUOTE(*StarGazer* @ Oct 21 2013, 12:26 PM) Sales person mentioned that it only takes less than 5 min to heat up IF the switch has been switched off earlier. Unlike conventional ways, she advised to keep the switch on 24/7 (cos it's low power consumption) unless you intend to go for holidays. She had a demo on the plate which is used in their water heaters. With just a little voltage from the cell battery, the plate took merely few seconds to heat up. So you are talking about the tank water heater right ?anyone tried their instant water heater ? |
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Oct 21 2013, 12:30 PM
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QUOTE(*StarGazer* @ Oct 21 2013, 12:28 PM) I am getting the tank heater. If not mistaken, the instant water heater is RM799 with pump OK Thanks !Anyone actually used it before ? |
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Oct 21 2013, 12:33 PM
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QUOTE(daz55 @ Oct 21 2013, 12:29 PM) So you are talking about the tank water heater right ? Not much price difference between instant water heater and tank (40L) but the tank has more savings in energy. I'll post the prices tonight as I do not have the brochures with me right now. In terms of mechanism, I think it works on the same conceptanyone tried their instant water heater ? |
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Oct 21 2013, 12:39 PM
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QUOTE(*StarGazer* @ Oct 21 2013, 12:26 PM) Sales person mentioned that it only takes less than 5 min to heat up IF the switch has been switched off earlier. Unlike conventional ways, she advised to keep the switch on 24/7 (cos it's low power consumption) unless you intend to go for holidays. She had a demo on the plate which is used in their water heaters. With just a little voltage from the cell battery, the plate took merely few seconds to heat up. Try off it till it drop to normal room temperature, I have doubt it can heat up in. 5mins for 20L water, if that happen it can go Guinness world record for the most efficient heating element in the world. Don't forget current is use for heating not voltage. It can have low voltage but high current. I did question them before, the sales agent keep quiet and black face. |
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Oct 21 2013, 02:03 PM
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QUOTE(weikee @ Oct 21 2013, 11:14 AM) Need to use good quality valve, never use PVC valve. thanks very much.will talk to the plumber later. |
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Oct 22 2013, 02:36 AM
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Oct 22 2013, 07:57 AM
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QUOTE(weikee @ Oct 21 2013, 12:39 PM) Try off it till it drop to normal room temperature, I have doubt it can heat up in. 5mins for 20L water, if that happen it can go Guinness world record for the most efficient heating element in the world. mmhh ... well I guess i just have to try it out. Maybe shd just try 1 for starters. Has anyone here tried and able to confirm the electricity charges?Don't forget current is use for heating not voltage. It can have low voltage but high current. I did question them before, the sales agent keep quiet and black face. Do u think it works as the same concept as an air-pot, whereby heated water is stored and kept warm and shd the water drop to a certain temperature, it will auto reheat to restore it ?? This company is also selling air-pot where they claim a cup of drinking water is heated within 3 seconds. |
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Oct 22 2013, 08:07 AM
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QUOTE(*StarGazer* @ Oct 22 2013, 07:57 AM) mmhh ... well I guess i just have to try it out. Maybe shd just try 1 for starters. Has anyone here tried and able to confirm the electricity charges? Storage also heat the water and store it for later use. it can keep the water up to a day and still feel warm.Do u think it works as the same concept as an air-pot, whereby heated water is stored and kept warm and shd the water drop to a certain temperature, it will auto reheat to restore it ?? This company is also selling air-pot where they claim a cup of drinking water is heated within 3 seconds. |
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Oct 22 2013, 10:23 AM
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QUOTE(*StarGazer* @ Oct 22 2013, 07:57 AM) mmhh ... well I guess i just have to try it out. Maybe shd just try 1 for starters. Has anyone here tried and able to confirm the electricity charges? 1, 2, 3, you can have your cup of tea! Microwave oven can't even do that! They can boil the ocean with this technology. Noone needs to die for the homeless during winter, they can just dip themselves in hot water Do u think it works as the same concept as an air-pot, whereby heated water is stored and kept warm and shd the water drop to a certain temperature, it will auto reheat to restore it ?? This company is also selling air-pot where they claim a cup of drinking water is heated within 3 seconds.  This is god sent! |
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Oct 22 2013, 11:02 AM
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Geesh i better be requesting for my deposit to be returned ....
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Oct 22 2013, 11:22 AM
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QUOTE(stevie8 @ Oct 22 2013, 10:23 AM) 1, 2, 3, you can have your cup of tea! Microwave oven can't even do that! They can boil the ocean with this technology. Noone needs to die for the homeless during winter, they can just dip themselves in hot water Aiyah, you guys let him try first lah. If not how to know this product good or bad. This is god sent! If this product bad also, the money lost is him only mah. At least we have some story to read here about this bad and good heater. |
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Oct 22 2013, 11:23 AM
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QUOTE(stevie8 @ Oct 22 2013, 10:23 AM) 1, 2, 3, you can have your cup of tea! Microwave oven can't even do that! They can boil the ocean with this technology. Noone needs to die for the homeless during winter, they can just dip themselves in hot water Can enter world..wait maybe is galaxy record. This is god sent! |
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Oct 22 2013, 11:29 AM
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QUOTE(*StarGazer* @ Oct 22 2013, 11:02 AM) Geesh i better be requesting for my deposit to be returned .... This company may have a good product but the way they market their product is out of norm. Looking at the facebook they condemned and published so much about the electrocution of the Japanese couple, so many similar report, to say that their product is ZERO danger and you are asking yourself to be killed using the conventional Instant water heaters. It is ok to warn buyers but exaggerate too much till frightening all existing users is too much and bad taste. What you want all the existing users to do? Throw away their heaters? A good company should not just warn but come up with not only alternative (buying their product) but also how you can minimize risks if not overcome. I dont think their prodcut is any safer when it is all about water and electricity. Over selling and everything seemed to me are like they have a magic. Don't Kill and super safer of power and instant heating and up their price. |
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Oct 22 2013, 11:31 AM
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QUOTE(ozak @ Oct 22 2013, 11:22 AM) Aiyah, you guys let him try first lah. If not how to know this product good or bad. Ya la, better have one victim than to make all of us their victims.If this product bad also, the money lost is him only mah. At least we have some story to read here about this bad and good heater. |
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Oct 22 2013, 11:43 AM
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QUOTE(stevie8 @ Oct 22 2013, 11:31 AM) Ya la, better have one victim than to make all of us their victims. We learn from ppl mistake and experience. A Japanese couple scarified their life to make us aware the danger of the heater. How to extra safety to makesure our life is more safe. |
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Oct 22 2013, 11:51 AM
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Marketing ma... Looking at the way they described to normal users already know how they run business. It define all physics in hearing water that fast. Maybe a nuclear reactor inside? Or perhaps using law of relativity
Truly I hate people or company using condemned of other product as marketing. Really no business ethics. If is a proven dangerous/hazard/illegal is good to bring out, but something that is accidental can share and put the possibility but not stating it will happen. Driving is even more dangerous. Everyone still driving? QUOTE(stevie8 @ Oct 22 2013, 11:29 AM) This company may have a good product but the way they market their product is out of norm. Looking at the facebook they condemned and published so much about the electrocution of the Japanese couple, so many similar report, to say that their product is ZERO danger and you are asking yourself to be killed using the conventional Instant water heaters. It is ok to warn buyers but exaggerate too much till frightening all existing users is too much and bad taste. What you want all the existing users to do? Throw away their heaters? A good company should not just warn but come up with not only alternative (buying their product) but also how you can minimize risks if not overcome. This post has been edited by weikee: Oct 22 2013, 11:52 AMI dont think their prodcut is any safer when it is all about water and electricity. Over selling and everything seemed to me are like they have a magic. Don't Kill and super safer of power and instant heating and up their price. |
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Oct 22 2013, 11:54 AM
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QUOTE(ozak @ Oct 22 2013, 11:43 AM) We learn from ppl mistake and experience. Some people make use of dead people and misery to push sell their product and make more money. A Japanese couple scarified their life to make us aware the danger of the heater. How to extra safety to makesure our life is more safe. |
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Oct 22 2013, 11:59 AM
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QUOTE(ozak @ Oct 22 2013, 11:22 AM) Aiyah, you guys let him try first lah. If not how to know this product good or bad. Gee ... thanks for the support guys If this product bad also, the money lost is him only mah. At least we have some story to read here about this bad and good heater. Frankly during the sales talk they did not condemn any other brands but merely emphasize that their brand will not get anyone electrocuted as their heating system does not come in contact with water etc etc .... Anyway let's give it a go ... can always try out, if no new things how can we progress ? |
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Oct 22 2013, 12:59 PM
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QUOTE(stevie8 @ Oct 22 2013, 11:54 AM) Some people make use of dead people and misery to push sell their product and make more money. Majority of us here don't have much knowledge about technical. Even a very basic. That is why those saleman easlly use some bad tactic to sell.When they get many question from expect guy, they just walk away. Because you are just 1 in 100 ppl. In develop country, they can close shop if like this. |
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Oct 22 2013, 01:02 PM
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QUOTE(*StarGazer* @ Oct 22 2013, 11:59 AM) Gee ... thanks for the support guys Makesure you come back here and tell us everything after experience it. We need more information. Frankly during the sales talk they did not condemn any other brands but merely emphasize that their brand will not get anyone electrocuted as their heating system does not come in contact with water etc etc .... Anyway let's give it a go ... can always try out, if no new things how can we progress ? |
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Oct 22 2013, 01:27 PM
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any suggestion pls. alpa or joven model
-save energy -silent pump -good quality |
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Oct 22 2013, 01:30 PM
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QUOTE(*StarGazer* @ Oct 22 2013, 11:59 AM) Gee ... thanks for the support guys I do not know why you want to believe there will not be electrocution danger. There is heating element if not how you get to convert electric energy to heat energy? Yes there is no direct contact between the heating element and water but the heating coils is surrounding the copper water pipe for heat exchange. When heating element fail or broken or short circuit it needs not contact water to conduct electric current. The copper pipe will conduct current to water. Here is a diagram of a tankless single unit heater. Frankly during the sales talk they did not condemn any other brands but merely emphasize that their brand will not get anyone electrocuted as their heating system does not come in contact with water etc etc .... Anyway let's give it a go ... can always try out, if no new things how can we progress ? 
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Oct 22 2013, 02:03 PM
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QUOTE(Lim XX @ Oct 22 2013, 01:27 PM) any suggestion pls. alpa or joven model So far i used Joven i70P so far OK.-save energy -silent pump -good quality Bought from Builders Hardware Zheilwane |
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Oct 22 2013, 02:16 PM
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QUOTE(Lim XX @ Oct 22 2013, 01:27 PM) any suggestion pls. alpa or joven model Go get the newer technology, the tankless instant water heater. Anyhow i think it is safer than the conventional instant water heater since there is no direct contact between heating elements and water. -save energy -silent pump -good quality Saving wise, not sure, should be the no much different. In fact the conventional one, direct contact with heating element should be more efficient, dont get mislead. There is no short cut to energy saving from electric energy convert to heat energy regardless of technology. The only saving is how not to loss energy as by product while converting. But check the price first the new technology might be more expensive. |
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Oct 22 2013, 02:22 PM
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QUOTE(stevie8 @ Oct 22 2013, 01:30 PM) I do not know why you want to believe there will not be electrocution danger. There is heating element if not how you get to convert electric energy to heat energy? Yes there is no direct contact between the heating element and water but the heating coils is surrounding the copper water pipe for heat exchange. When heating element fail or broken or short circuit it needs not contact water to conduct electric current. The copper pipe will conduct current to water. Here is a diagram of a tankless single unit heater. They can use ceramic heating to heat up the copper pipe, that will reduce the probability of electric transfer but not NILL. If use ceramic efficiency is not that good. Another method is use induction this can sure guarantee no electric transfer but what if lightning strike? High voltage still have chances electric will jump.
Maybe they use alien technology, must buy and reverse engineer it. |
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Oct 22 2013, 02:25 PM
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QUOTE(damario1928 @ Nov 13 2011, 05:00 PM) Looking for water heater Referring you to this. Good luck and ask for best price if you're serious https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopic=2965146&hl=Any recommendation guys? This post has been edited by ricstc: Oct 22 2013, 02:26 PM |
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Oct 22 2013, 03:44 PM
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QUOTE(weikee @ Oct 22 2013, 02:22 PM) They can use ceramic heating to heat up the copper pipe, that will reduce the probability of electric transfer but not NILL. If use ceramic efficiency is not that good. Another method is use induction this can sure guarantee no electric transfer but what if lightning strike? High voltage still have chances electric will jump. Wow Weikee, Can even think of induction! Maybe they use alien technology, must buy and reverse engineer it.  There will be absolutely no contact. In fact can have an insulation layer like ceramic (or even a vacuum) over the pipe. Oh ya have to be a steel or iron pipe. The heating fins of the tankless and its copper pipe can get corroded over time with the process of oxidation. If use induction a thin layer of stainless steel will take care of oxidation of the pipe. |
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Oct 22 2013, 04:22 PM
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Seriously guys, I was merely answering a question posed by someone earlier. I may not know the mechanics or process (unlike many of u here) but surely the only way to find out is to give the unit a try.
Till now, no one has stepped forward to say they have tried the heater and can confirm it can or cannot do as claimed. Based on feedback of a friend who has used it for a year, he said OK but as with everything in life, only time will tell. |
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Oct 22 2013, 05:09 PM
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QUOTE(*StarGazer* @ Oct 22 2013, 04:22 PM) Seriously guys, I was merely answering a question posed by someone earlier. I may not know the mechanics or process (unlike many of u here) but surely the only way to find out is to give the unit a try. of course it will work. the important thing is how much does it cost?Till now, no one has stepped forward to say they have tried the heater and can confirm it can or cannot do as claimed. Based on feedback of a friend who has used it for a year, he said OK but as with everything in life, only time will tell. thanks This post has been edited by idoblu: Oct 22 2013, 05:09 PM |
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QUOTE(idoblu @ Oct 22 2013, 05:09 PM) of course it will work. the important thing is how much does it cost? Hi @idoblu, I managed to get the pricing at the recent homedec but my fear is once I post the prices, suddenly for no reason kena bombarded again (when i'm just sharing for the benefit of those interested) thanks |
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Oct 22 2013, 05:28 PM
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QUOTE(*StarGazer* @ Oct 22 2013, 05:18 PM) Hi @idoblu, I managed to get the pricing at the recent homedec but my fear is once I post the prices, suddenly for no reason kena bombarded again (when i'm just sharing for the benefit of those interested) i think they are not bombarding you but the product..... anyway seers have 3 kinds of water heaters - instant, storage and heat pump my guess is you got the storage kind. even the 40L cost around RM1400 which is like 3 times the cost of a normal storage heater at seers website here they explain how it works - see if it makes sense to anyone  |
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Oct 22 2013, 05:35 PM
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Yes we are commenting on the product not you (StarGazer)
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Oct 22 2013, 05:38 PM
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QUOTE(idoblu @ Oct 22 2013, 05:28 PM) i think they are not bombarding you but the product..... The product is just like any other storage heater product with only dual tank. With maybe a better insulation, but still will have leakage of heat. Their so call energy saving look like is just the insulation. For that price I rather use rinnai gas. anyway seers have 3 kinds of water heaters - instant, storage and heat pump my guess is you got the storage kind. even the 40L cost around RM1400 which is like 3 times the cost of a normal storage heater at seers website here they explain how it works - see if it makes sense to anyone |
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Oct 22 2013, 05:43 PM
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hahaha...i was about to say "inb4 weikee says rinnai gas heater"
looking at the picture and explanation from Seers sales here - https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...post&p=62899187 i find it odd that the heated water needs to travel from tank 1 to tank 2 when there are two heating source C, one in each tank maybe i see the picture wrong? we all curious on how it works....some of us are a bit skeptical so Stargazer, please dont take it the wrong way  :This post has been edited by idoblu: Oct 22 2013, 05:52 PM |
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Oct 22 2013, 06:10 PM
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thanks mates .. i know i know ...
Anyways here's the pricing for those interested - instant water heater (no pump) - RM699 instant water heater (with pump) - 799 kitchen dispenser - 638 40L tank (3 pax) : single tank 783, double tank 1350 60L tank (4 pax) : single 828, double 1485 100L tank (6 pax) : single 945, double 2115 Centralised 100L tank : 3870 btw the sales person said that 2 tanks more efficient cos they work on the principle that heat goes up and is retained at top tank while the bottom tank does another round of heating from the cold water. This means that both tanks are working concurrently, top tank will transfer the heated water down while bottom tank will heat and allow the heat to go up as needed. I hope that makes sense, I'm not much of a science person but think the concept sounds quite logical wor *haha* |
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Oct 22 2013, 06:20 PM
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The selling point for seer is good insulation and low current usage therefore no need independent wiring, rest still the same to me. The heating temperature look fast but the use 30c to start and 60c to end.
Ceramic still have hot wires inside which is also run on electric. How can it not pose any danger? Maybe due to manufacture defective ceramic crack and expose the wires..run on 12v it won't kill But to get 850watt it need to supply 70+amps. i think the large chunk of weight is on the Ac to DC converter. QUOTE(idoblu @ Oct 22 2013, 05:43 PM) hahaha...i was about to say "inb4 weikee says rinnai gas heater" looking at the picture and explanation from Seers sales here - https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...post&p=62899187 i find it odd that the heated water needs to travel from tank 1 to tank 2 when there are two heating source C, one in each tank maybe i see the picture wrong? we all curious on how it works....some of us are a bit skeptical so Stargazer, please dont take it the wrong way : |
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QUOTE(*StarGazer* @ Oct 22 2013, 06:10 PM) thanks mates .. i know i know ... As all said you got us wrong. Even though I commented "badly" on the product (actually commented badly on the company and not the product) because they claimed this and that like saving electricity bill and especially they claimed the product to be super safe that it won't kill. It is because they gives us (consumers) a false sense of safety and due to that we take no precaution to check or maintain if the product is still in good working condition after years of use. Such is dangerous and irresponsible. We die they don't after taking our money.Anyways here's the pricing for those interested - instant water heater (no pump) - RM699 instant water heater (with pump) - 799 kitchen dispenser - 638 40L tank (3 pax) : single tank 783, double tank 1350 60L tank (4 pax) : single 828, double 1485 100L tank (6 pax) : single 945, double 2115 Centralised 100L tank : 3870 btw the sales person said that 2 tanks more efficient cos they work on the principle that heat goes up and is retained at top tank while the bottom tank does another round of heating from the cold water. This means that both tanks are working concurrently, top tank will transfer the heated water down while bottom tank will heat and allow the heat to go up as needed. I hope that makes sense, I'm not much of a science person but think the concept sounds quite logical wor *haha* Also, If i were to buy a heater between the conventional instant water heater and this, I would buy this like you! though it is much expensive. The reason is safety. (again I want to qualify, yes it looks to me safer than conventional type but not 100% safe).I do not know why you choose the storage type. You should just get the instant one, each for each bathroom unless you already have hot and cold pipe ready in all the bathrooms and intend to have a pump so as to enjoy great shower, like rain shower. This post has been edited by stevie8: Oct 22 2013, 07:38 PM |
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Oct 22 2013, 07:46 PM
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They centralized 100L tank is close to a solar heater's price that use little or no electricity and safer from electrocution. Might as well go for solar. The reason ppl go for solar is not just cost of consumption (electric bill) but also for safety plus use as much as you like with no pain except for the cheap water bill.
As others commented due to high price for the storage it is better to get the conventional type. Safety wise more or less same, still the new one is safer by a bit not significant to me. For the instant, it depend. There is always a price to pay. |
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Oct 22 2013, 07:49 PM
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Have you decided which model or type to buy and the reasons for it so that we can help input for you to get a suitable one(s) since you only paid the deposit and still can change your mind changing to another type, ultimately the decision is yours.
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Oct 22 2013, 08:08 PM
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*StarGazer*,
Seriously, we are here to learn from our experience and the experience of others so that we will not be fool forever. I myself was fool as you come across my thread regarding my DB with too few MCBs and it could be not because the electrician fooling me, it could be he himself was not knowledgeable. No one is 100% correct. Here you have me and if my solar heater ko today i will still go for solar and yet for Weikee he is a die hard gas storage heater user. And if he is 100% correct then I would be 100% wrong!  And now we are crazy about this new heater if it could be better. |
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Oct 22 2013, 08:39 PM
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Hi all, thanks for all your comments. I know where you are coming from and noted all comments and kind advice. I'll respond tomorrow ya cos a bit hard to type on my tab now. Have a good evening ahead. Cheers!
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Oct 23 2013, 09:13 AM
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QUOTE(stevie8 @ Oct 22 2013, 07:49 PM) Have you decided which model or type to buy and the reasons for it so that we can help input for you to get a suitable one(s) since you only paid the deposit and still can change your mind changing to another type, ultimately the decision is yours. Hi morning folks, I still undecided and have some options for my 4 bathrooms and kitchen -Option 1 : Instant water heaters for all 4 bathrooms ie, 4 x RM699 = RM2796 + kitchen dispenser (under sink) RM638 = RM3434 Option 2 : Master bathroom 40L single tank RM780 + 2 bedrooms (shared) 40L double tanks RM1350 + Ground Floor bathroom & kitchen 40L double tanks RM1350 = RM3480 Option 3 : Master bathroom 40L single tank RM780 + 2 bedrooms /Ground Floor bathroom & kitchen 60L double tanks RM1485 = RM2265 Option 4 : Centralised 100L tank RM3870 Options 2-4 are not inclusive of the installation of the hot water pipes. I was told that it could be from RM600-900 per point. While my earlier intention is to have the centralised version, it will very much depend on the piping charges. Hence I am more inclined towards Option 3, besides cheaper, there are only 2 storage tanks for the house and hopefully less to pay for the piping. What do you think .. pls advise This post has been edited by *StarGazer*: Oct 23 2013, 09:13 AM |
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Oct 23 2013, 09:17 AM
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QUOTE(stevie8 @ Oct 22 2013, 07:35 PM) I do not know why you choose the storage type. You should just get the instant one, each for each bathroom unless you already have hot and cold pipe ready in all the bathrooms and intend to have a pump so as to enjoy great shower, like rain shower. |
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Oct 23 2013, 09:22 AM
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QUOTE(*StarGazer* @ Oct 23 2013, 09:17 AM) That's the thing - I have yet to confirm if my unit already has the hot pipe in place or not. If it's in place then it could be the centralised storage ... otherwise the piping charges is a lot to pay for (exceed my budget) New house or old? New house ask developer |
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Oct 23 2013, 09:22 AM
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QUOTE(stevie8 @ Oct 22 2013, 08:08 PM) *StarGazer*, Hi Stevie8, thanks for your comments. I understand that we are all sharing and learning from each others experience Seriously, we are here to learn from our experience and the experience of others so that we will not be fool forever. I myself was fool as you come across my thread regarding my DB with too few MCBs and it could be not because the electrician fooling me, it could be he himself was not knowledgeable. No one is 100% correct. Here you have me and if my solar heater ko today i will still go for solar and yet for Weikee he is a die hard gas storage heater user. And if he is 100% correct then I would be 100% wrong! And now we are crazy about this new heater if it could be better. I have tried gas storage before a long long time ago - i must say that the heat is consistent and the hot water is really HOT. Sorry for asking this dumb question - is is still like the old days where u can actually see the flames (i must say that sight is quite scary though I enjoy my shower a lot) ... hehehe |
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Oct 23 2013, 09:27 AM
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QUOTE(weikee @ Oct 23 2013, 09:22 AM) New house or old? New house ask developer Hi weikee, new house. I was told there is a heater point for master and living .. dunno if it means ready with piping or not ? I may need to confirm again later. |
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Oct 23 2013, 11:01 AM
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QUOTE(*StarGazer* @ Oct 23 2013, 09:27 AM) Hi weikee, new house. I was told there is a heater point for master and living .. dunno if it means ready with piping or not ? I may need to confirm again later. When developer refers it as heater point they mean instant water heater power point and a cold pipe for the instant heater. You can just check. If i am right, there should be a switch with red light or red colour button switch on the outside of the bathroom side by side with the bathroom light, and 3 wire protruded from the wall 6 feet above floor and a stop valve below 2 feet fr floor and an outlet pipe from the same wall 5 feet high. |
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Oct 23 2013, 11:44 AM
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QUOTE(stevie8 @ Oct 23 2013, 11:01 AM) When developer refers it as heater point they mean instant water heater power point and a cold pipe for the instant heater. You can just check. If i am right, there should be a switch with red light or red colour button switch on the outside of the bathroom side by side with the bathroom light, and 3 wire protruded from the wall 6 feet above floor and a stop valve below 2 feet fr floor and an outlet pipe from the same wall 5 feet high. Thanks weikee - that's a good piece of info. I learned something new again today |
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Oct 23 2013, 01:16 PM
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QUOTE(*StarGazer* @ Oct 23 2013, 11:44 AM) Thanks weikee - that's a good piece of info. I learned something new again today Hai ya, Stevie is not Weikee and Weikee is not Stevie la. Btw, refer to your sales and purchase agreement on the last few pages called "Schedule". It details items and water piping and power and lighting points that comes fixed with your house. |
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Oct 23 2013, 01:40 PM
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QUOTE(*StarGazer* @ Oct 23 2013, 09:13 AM) Hi morning folks, I still undecided and have some options for my 4 bathrooms and kitchen - did you check whether your house has all the necessary piping for centralized heated water?Option 1 : Instant water heaters for all 4 bathrooms ie, 4 x RM699 = RM2796 + kitchen dispenser (under sink) RM638 = RM3434 Option 2 : Master bathroom 40L single tank RM780 + 2 bedrooms (shared) 40L double tanks RM1350 + Ground Floor bathroom & kitchen 40L double tanks RM1350 = RM3480 Option 3 : Master bathroom 40L single tank RM780 + 2 bedrooms /Ground Floor bathroom & kitchen 60L double tanks RM1485 = RM2265 Option 4 : Centralised 100L tank RM3870 Options 2-4 are not inclusive of the installation of the hot water pipes. I was told that it could be from RM600-900 per point. While my earlier intention is to have the centralised version, it will very much depend on the piping charges. Hence I am more inclined towards Option 3, besides cheaper, there are only 2 storage tanks for the house and hopefully less to pay for the piping. What do you think .. pls advise centralized means copper piping going to all your long bath, shower, basin, kitchen sink, etc..... if you gonna put in your own piping to make it really centralized, then might as well get solar (1st choice) or heat pump (2nd choice) but if paying an exorbitant amount just for regular storage heaters is your choice, then so be it mind you, doing all the piping, you will need to redo all tiling as well and hacking etc....really big elephant just for hot water in a hot country.....LOL This post has been edited by idoblu: Oct 23 2013, 01:42 PM |
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QUOTE(stevie8 @ Oct 23 2013, 01:16 PM) Hai ya, Stevie is not Weikee and Weikee is not Stevie la. sorry guys ... i am all Btw, refer to your sales and purchase agreement on the last few pages called "Schedule". It details items and water piping and power and lighting points that comes fixed with your house. with this heater saga *LOL* Will check the SPA for that part. Thanks This post has been edited by *StarGazer*: Oct 23 2013, 01:49 PM |
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QUOTE(idoblu @ Oct 23 2013, 01:40 PM) did you check whether your house has all the necessary piping for centralized heated water? Hi @idoblu, yeah will check and see 1st ... btw solar when the weather is rainy or haze, does it affect the overall temperature of the system ?centralized means copper piping going to all your long bath, shower, basin, kitchen sink, etc..... if you gonna put in your own piping to make it really centralized, then might as well get solar (1st choice) or heat pump (2nd choice) but if paying an exorbitant amount just for regular storage heaters is your choice, then so be it mind you, doing all the piping, you will need to redo all tiling as well and hacking etc....really big elephant just for hot water in a hot country.....LOL |
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Oct 23 2013, 01:50 PM
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some solar has an electric element build in, they call it a backup
what kind of house is this may i ask new development or old? This post has been edited by idoblu: Oct 23 2013, 01:52 PM |
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QUOTE(idoblu @ Oct 23 2013, 01:50 PM) some solar has an electric element build in, they call it a backup DSL intermediate typewhat kind of house is this may i ask |
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QUOTE(*StarGazer* @ Oct 23 2013, 01:52 PM) DSL intermediate type well it probably wont have centralized pipingbut most likely you have copper piping that is localized for each bathroom and they only go to the shower and long bath if you have one you can easily check this - 1. look to see if you have a mixer (the knobs that controls the water) 2. take a look inside your plaster ceiling to see if there is a short copper pipe just above the showers does your master bathroom have a long bath? |
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Oct 23 2013, 02:23 PM
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QUOTE(idoblu @ Oct 23 2013, 01:57 PM) well it probably wont have centralized piping Master - no long bath. Showers for all bathrooms. Thanks for the tip @idoblubut most likely you have copper piping that is localized for each bathroom and they only go to the shower and long bath if you have one you can easily check this - 1. look to see if you have a mixer (the knobs that controls the water) 2. take a look inside your plaster ceiling to see if there is a short copper pipe just above the showers does your master bathroom have a long bath? |
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Oct 23 2013, 03:02 PM
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QUOTE(*StarGazer* @ Oct 23 2013, 01:49 PM) Hi @idoblu, yeah will check and see 1st ... btw solar when the weather is rainy or haze, does it affect the overall temperature of the system ? With our kind of hot hot hot rain hot hot&rain hot hot&rain weather no problem. Hot&Rain mean rain half day 1-2 hrs hot day is good enough to heat up the whole tank for the day or 2 days use.My solar heating element ko after few years and did not replace also no problem. Sometime with 3 days continuous rain, on the last day using full hot water still comfortably warm. You just need 1 to 2 hrs of good sun for a day. When it is hot hot days for 3 continuous days the water is super hot. Need just move a little to hot say 1/5 hot 4/5 cold water. Aslso becasue our cold water is already on the high side, ie. 30 degree C, so need no much hot water mixed. Imagine this: A good warm shower is 38 degree C (our body temperature is 37 degree). one part hot water 80 degree mix 5 parts cold water at 30 degree (80+30x5)/6 =38.33 degree. It means you need only 1/6 of hot water mix. A 60 gallons hot water means you get 60 x 6 gallon of warm water for shower. Of course there is wastage in the storage losing heat and also cold water in hot pipe between showers. Is my calculation correct? A good hot water shower is 42 degree C. Still you get plenty. you do the calculation. |
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Oct 23 2013, 03:11 PM
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Sorry, There are mistakes in the assumption and calculation.
I re-calculate using different method. Assuming 90 degree C hot water in the tank, it is 1/4 hot and 3/4 cold to achieve a 37.5 degree warm water shower. Anyway, in real world (not mathematics calculation), the heater continues getting heating up by the sun as you use during the day giving you endless supply and also the next morning it continues...Therefore, the above calculation applies to continuous raining/no sun days and night use. This post has been edited by stevie8: Oct 23 2013, 03:17 PM |
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Oct 23 2013, 03:57 PM
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QUOTE(stevie8 @ Oct 23 2013, 03:02 PM) With our kind of hot hot hot rain hot hot&rain hot hot&rain weather no problem. Hot&Rain mean rain half day 1-2 hrs hot day is good enough to heat up the whole tank for the day or 2 days use. My solar heating element ko after few years and did not replace also no problem. Sometime with 3 days continuous rain, on the last day using full hot water still comfortably warm. You just need 1 to 2 hrs of good sun for a day. When it is hot hot days for 3 continuous days the water is super hot. Need just move a little to hot say 1/5 hot 4/5 cold water. Aslso becasue our cold water is already on the high side, ie. 30 degree C, so need no much hot water mixed. Imagine this: A good warm shower is 38 degree C (our body temperature is 37 degree). one part hot water 80 degree mix 5 parts cold water at 30 degree (80+30x5)/6 =38.33 degree. It means you need only 1/6 of hot water mix. A 60 gallons hot water means you get 60 x 6 gallon of warm water for shower. Of course there is wastage in the storage losing heat and also cold water in hot pipe between showers. Is my calculation correct? A good hot water shower is 42 degree C. Still you get plenty. you do the calculation. QUOTE Sorry, There are mistakes in the assumption and calculation. I re-calculate using different method. Assuming 90 degree C hot water in the tank, it is 1/4 hot and 3/4 cold to achieve a 37.5 degree warm water shower. Anyway, in real world (not mathematics calculation), the heater continues getting heating up by the sun as you use during the day giving you endless supply and also the next morning it continues...Therefore, the above calculation applies to continuous raining/no sun days and night use. stevie *kowtow* subject to the pipe costing, u may just make me switch camp |
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QUOTE(*StarGazer* @ Oct 23 2013, 03:57 PM) stevie I went to Homedec last Sat. There was one selling solar 66 gallons vacuum tube type at 3,800 inclusive of installation. I did not ask for warranty as i wasn't interested to buy cause i already got one. Usually they give you 10 yrs. So long as the co still survive you worry free for at least 10 yrs. The vacuum type can bring the temp up to 99 degree! *kowtow* subject to the pipe costing, u may just make me switch camp |
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Oct 23 2013, 04:16 PM
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Installation means take up the heater to roof and connect to your cold and hot pipe. Not piping.
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Oct 23 2013, 04:49 PM
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I would like to know if storage 25L enough for 2 person? Then storage tank share better or individual better?
QUOTE(stevie8 @ Oct 23 2013, 04:16 PM) I went to Homedec last Sat. There was one selling solar 66 gallons vacuum tube type at 3,800 inclusive of installation. I did not ask for warranty as i wasn't interested to buy cause i already got one. Usually they give you 10 yrs. So long as the co still survive you worry free for at least 10 yrs. The vacuum type can bring the temp up to 99 degree! |
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QUOTE(petlu28 @ Oct 23 2013, 04:49 PM) I would like to know if storage 25L enough for 2 person? Then storage tank share better or individual better? I like to say enough but if you like to take 30mins shower than maybe not enough lah. Even if not enough, the only penalty you need to pay is wait another 15mins or so for it to heat up another tankful. Really no big deal. Not sure what you mean by sharing but if you want to use one tank for two bathrooms, it's possible if the bathroom are side by side. My old condo is set up this way and I had the plumber link both bathrooms to one tank. You must also understand that if you got two person taking showers at the same time in the separate bathrooms, you habis your hot water faster and may exhaust your 25L capacity This post has been edited by idoblu: Oct 23 2013, 08:59 PM |
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QUOTE(idoblu @ Oct 23 2013, 08:58 PM) I like to say enough but if you like to take 30mins shower than maybe not enough lah. 25L ??? how much? 1 large plastic mineral water bottle is 1.5L. 17 bottle only!!! How la? So little? No la, it supposes to work like instant water heater, heat as you use?! Or to be mixed with cold water??? Better check out properly. Even if not enough, the only penalty you need to pay is wait another 15mins or so for it to heat up another tankful. Really no big deal. Not sure what you mean by sharing but if you want to use one tank for two bathrooms, it's possible if the bathroom are side by side. My old condo is set up this way and I had the plumber link both bathrooms to one tank. You must also understand that if you got two person taking showers at the same time in the separate bathrooms, you habis your hot water faster and may exhaust your 25L capacity |
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Oct 23 2013, 09:26 PM
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QUOTE(stevie8 @ Oct 23 2013, 09:16 PM) 25L ??? how much? 1 large plastic mineral water bottle is 1.5L. 17 bottle only!!! How la? So little? No la, it supposes to work like instant water heater, heat as you use?! Or to be mixed with cold water??? Better check out properly. Of course need to mix with cold water. How to shower with 70C hot water? That's why it goes thru a mixer before you get it in your shower head. If worry not enough, ma buy bigger tank lo....I already said it depends on your needs. The price difference between the various capacity is very little only. If you got a long bath, you need at least a 50L This post has been edited by idoblu: Oct 23 2013, 09:30 PM |
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Oct 23 2013, 09:39 PM
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QUOTE(idoblu @ Oct 23 2013, 09:26 PM) Of course need to mix with cold water. How to shower with 70C hot water? That's why it goes thru a mixer before you get it in your shower head. You are right Idoblu. I basically just want to provoke Petlu and get him to imagine how much or how little is 25L using mineral water bottle so that he can visualise. If worry not enough, ma buy bigger tank lo....I already said it depends on your needs. The price difference between the various capacity is very little only. If you got a long bath, you need at least a 50L Cheers |
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QUOTE(stevie8 @ Oct 23 2013, 09:39 PM) You are right Idoblu. I basically just want to provoke Petlu and get him to imagine how much or how little is 25L using mineral water bottle so that he can visualise. Tell the boss to buy the 35L, I think just a hundred ringgit more. Too big also no good, takes longer to boil so makan letrik. Too small, water finish faster but heat up also faster Cheers Few years ago, I bought only Rm500+ for 35L I bought all mine from paramax Puchong. I heard Top Ten light shop also got Joven. This post has been edited by idoblu: Oct 23 2013, 10:19 PM |
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Oct 23 2013, 10:24 PM
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If want to centralized it, need to consider where the on/off switch or plan to switch it on 24x7? I use individual storage per toilet, and each have its own switch. Smaller tank mean faster heat up, and save some energy because don't need to heat up larger quantity of water and not using 1/2 of it.
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QUOTE(idoblu @ Oct 23 2013, 01:57 PM) well it probably wont have centralized piping Nowadays new houses don't use copper piping anymore for cold water supply. I think in Klang Valley now the standard pipe is ABS type.but most likely you have copper piping that is localized for each bathroom and they only go to the shower and long bath if you have one I also agree that in the case of link houses it's unlikely that the developer will supply hot water piping (unless they include a solar hot water system). The usual is just to provide a water heater point and the normal cold water pipe to the shower. This post has been edited by jchong: Oct 23 2013, 11:16 PM |
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QUOTE(weikee @ Oct 23 2013, 10:24 PM) If want to centralized it, need to consider where the on/off switch or plan to switch it on 24x7? I use individual storage per toilet, and each have its own switch. Smaller tank mean faster heat up, and save some energy because don't need to heat up larger quantity of water and not using 1/2 of it. Agreed with you.But seriously, I think 25L hot water is seriously a lot. need to mix with cold water summore. probably can produce 50L or more. |
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Oct 24 2013, 09:32 AM
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Ok Thanks you guys advise. Just get price for 25L RM400 per tank. Installation RM250 per tank.
I also have think if centralized the switch ON/OFF put outside bedroom look so ugly too. QUOTE(weikee @ Oct 23 2013, 10:24 PM) If want to centralized it, need to consider where the on/off switch or plan to switch it on 24x7? I use individual storage per toilet, and each have its own switch. Smaller tank mean faster heat up, and save some energy because don't need to heat up larger quantity of water and not using 1/2 of it. |
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QUOTE(sovietmah @ Oct 24 2013, 09:14 AM) Agreed with you. Can mix more than that. But seriously, I think 25L hot water is seriously a lot. need to mix with cold water summore. probably can produce 50L or more. Normally 32-35C is hot enough. You can't stand more than 38C. It is very easy for you guy to do the experiment. Get a thermometer, boil a 1L of water to 60C. Than pour in cool water till you feel comfort with the temp. Than see what is the temperature. And how many Liter of water in there. |
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QUOTE(ozak @ Oct 24 2013, 10:46 AM) Can mix more than that. We can calculate:Normally 32-35C is hot enough. You can't stand more than 38C. It is very easy for you guy to do the experiment. Get a thermometer, boil a 1L of water to 60C. Than pour in cool water till you feel comfort with the temp. Than see what is the temperature. And how many Liter of water in there. Assumption: 1. Heater tank volume 25L 2. Heater tank temperature 60C 3. Tap water temperature 30C Mix Heater tank 25L with Tap water 25L = Volume 50L, temp=(60+30)/2=45C mix the new 50L volume at 45C with another 50L tap water at 30C = Volume 100L, Temp=(45+30)/2=37.5C Therefore, 25L 60C hot water can give you 100L warm water at 37.5C (when added 75L of 30C tap water) |
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Ai ya, use solar la.
60 gallons = 60 X 4.5 liter = 270 liter of 90C hot water. Using same method: 270L 90C + 270L 30C =540L 60C 540L 60C + 540 30C =1080L 45C 1080L 45C + 1080L 30C =2160L 37.5C You are getting 2 tonne of water = 2meter x 2 meter x 2 meter of shower water!!!! can last you many many days shower till you die!!! This post has been edited by stevie8: Oct 24 2013, 11:45 AM |
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QUOTE(stevie8 @ Oct 24 2013, 11:44 AM) Ai ya, use solar la. 60 gallons = 60 X 4.5 liter = 270 liter of 90C hot water. Using same method: 270L 90C + 270L 30C =540L 60C 540L 60C + 540 30C =1080L 45C 1080L 45C + 1080L 30C =2160L 37.5C You are getting 2 tonne of water = 2meter x 2 meter x 2 meter of shower water!!!! can last you many many days shower till you die!!! |
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QUOTE(stevie8 @ Oct 24 2013, 11:31 AM) We can calculate: Good one.. i think 1 time bath less than 30-40L.Assumption: 1. Heater tank volume 25L 2. Heater tank temperature 60C 3. Tap water temperature 30C Mix Heater tank 25L with Tap water 25L = Volume 50L, temp=(60+30)/2=45C mix the new 50L volume at 45C with another 50L tap water at 30C = Volume 100L, Temp=(45+30)/2=37.5C Therefore, 25L 60C hot water can give you 100L warm water at 37.5C (when added 75L of 30C tap water) Unless use bathtub. |
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QUOTE(petlu28 @ Oct 24 2013, 11:52 AM) Solar can't afford. There are traders starting importing from China. Cheap cheap like RM2k for 60 gallon vacuum tube. China export solar heater to USA. Quality ***** 5 stars. Volume(Whole) sale at RM1K for a reasonably good unit. |
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Why low price? There is no electronics except a electric heater (optional). It is only ss tank, insulation, copper coil for heat exchange, and double layer vacuum tubes.
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Oct 24 2013, 12:10 PM
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During Homedec last week have ask price for Solar Power too. Sales person say Rm4K++ free water pump grundfos & include installation.
QUOTE(stevie8 @ Oct 24 2013, 12:05 PM) Why low price? There is no electronics except a electric heater (optional). It is only ss tank, insulation, copper coil for heat exchange, and double layer vacuum tubes. |
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Oct 24 2013, 12:17 PM
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QUOTE(sovietmah @ Oct 24 2013, 12:00 PM) Good one.. i think 1 time bath less than 30-40L. a standard showerhead uses about 15 to 25 litres of water per minute - a three star rated water efficient showerhead uses as little as 6 or 7 litres per minute.Unless use bathtub. a standard showerhead uses at least 120 litres of water per eight-minute shower whereas a water efficient model uses less than 72 litres or 40 per cent less water Source: http://www.waterrating.gov.au/consumers/water-efficiency To be considered water efficient the max output is limited to 9 litres/min. Of course if super efficient can be lower to 6-7 litres/min. However, personally I think the showering feel of these efficient showerheads will be less nice. This post has been edited by jchong: Oct 24 2013, 12:24 PM |
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Oct 24 2013, 12:20 PM
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QUOTE(stevie8 @ Oct 24 2013, 12:02 PM) There are traders starting importing from China. Cheap cheap like RM2k for 60 gallon vacuum tube. The main solar unit itself is reasonable.China export solar heater to USA. Quality ***** 5 stars. Volume(Whole) sale at RM1K for a reasonably good unit. It's the piping (incl hacking of walls, repair after hacking and relaying the tiles) which adds to the expense. Can be a few thousand RM for 3 bathrooms. Not to mention the inconvenience. |
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Oct 24 2013, 12:24 PM
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I got hack 3 bathroom. Just can't afford solar unit price only.
QUOTE(jchong @ Oct 24 2013, 12:20 PM) The main solar unit itself is reasonable. It's the piping (incl hacking of walls, repair after hacking and relaying the tiles) which adds to the expense. Can be a few thousand RM for 3 bathrooms. Not to mention the inconvenience. |
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Oct 24 2013, 12:26 PM
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QUOTE(petlu28 @ Oct 24 2013, 12:24 PM) I got hack 3 bathroom. Just can't afford solar unit price only. So you are using tank type?For solar heater, the returns will come in the long term through reduction in electricity cost. |
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Oct 24 2013, 12:31 PM
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Yes i plan using storage tank. 3 bathroom 1 by 1 buy tank.
QUOTE(jchong @ Oct 24 2013, 12:26 PM) So you are using tank type? For solar heater, the returns will come in the long term through reduction in electricity cost. |
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Oct 24 2013, 12:56 PM
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QUOTE(jchong @ Oct 23 2013, 11:14 PM) Nowadays new houses don't use copper piping anymore for cold water supply. I think in Klang Valley now the standard pipe is ABS type. I'm talking about the short piece of copper piping provided for hot water in each bathroom.I also agree that in the case of link houses it's unlikely that the developer will supply hot water piping (unless they include a solar hot water system). The usual is just to provide a water heater point and the normal cold water pipe to the shower. Most development I've come across do come with these. Those with long baths, will definitely have it. This post has been edited by idoblu: Oct 24 2013, 12:57 PM |
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Oct 24 2013, 01:18 PM
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QUOTE(jchong @ Oct 24 2013, 12:20 PM) The main solar unit itself is reasonable. You are right but if you choose centralised storage still need to do hot piping.It's the piping (incl hacking of walls, repair after hacking and relaying the tiles) which adds to the expense. Can be a few thousand RM for 3 bathrooms. Not to mention the inconvenience. The cost of hot piping is not really expensive. the hot pipe come from roof to ceiling and direct down to your bathroom where you hack only one row of tiles (provided you do not want hot water for basin). The problem is piping to downstair bathroom. There is also money needed for a pump RM1K and Rain shower set x 3 bathroom. You can get a set for RM450. But the benefit is here who else will give you 10 yrs warranty. Mattress maybe. Worry not hot water run out you can shower for hr all at once in all bathroom and no need to stop the valve while shampoo, zero electric bill unlimited hot water. You want super hot you got super hot, you want cold you have it. you can use it to kill germs or clear your toilet with super hot water. If you find any bug in the toilet, spray them with it and see they die and wash down the drain hole. |
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Oct 24 2013, 01:34 PM
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If don't want use cooper then can use S/S piping also can. I have get the price for cooper piping RM65 [19 feet] & S/S RM38 piping [20 feet]. My plumber told me just buy 5 stick enough.
QUOTE(stevie8 @ Oct 24 2013, 01:18 PM) You are right but if you choose centralised storage still need to do hot piping. The cost of hot piping is not really expensive. the hot pipe come from roof to ceiling and direct down to your bathroom where you hack only one row of tiles (provided you do not want hot water for basin). The problem is piping to downstair bathroom. There is also money needed for a pump RM1K and Rain shower set x 3 bathroom. You can get a set for RM450. But the benefit is here who else will give you 10 yrs warranty. Mattress maybe. Worry not hot water run out you can shower for hr all at once in all bathroom and no need to stop the valve while shampoo, zero electric bill unlimited hot water. You want super hot you got super hot, you want cold you have it. you can use it to kill germs or clear your toilet with super hot water. If you find any bug in the toilet, spray them with it and see they die and wash down the drain hole. |
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Oct 24 2013, 02:48 PM
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QUOTE(petlu28 @ Oct 24 2013, 01:34 PM) If don't want use cooper then can use S/S piping also can. I have get the price for cooper piping RM65 [19 feet] & S/S RM38 piping [20 feet]. My plumber told me just buy 5 stick enough. Better to use ss pipe. Cheaper and bigger diameter (thinner wall but tougher). Also bad heat conductor, lose less heat to surroundings. 5 sticks = 100 feet should be just enough. Anyway is short can always go and buy again. Surplus, problem return good? So better buy lesser |
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Oct 24 2013, 02:49 PM
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BTW, buy all 15mm size or half inch. Dont buy any bigger than this, waste water and longer wait for hot water.
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Oct 24 2013, 03:00 PM
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Also insulate all the hot pipe all the way from heater. Use the one they use for aircond
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Oct 24 2013, 03:37 PM
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I heard my plumber now a lot owner using S/S because cheap.
QUOTE(stevie8 @ Oct 24 2013, 02:48 PM) Better to use ss pipe. Cheaper and bigger diameter (thinner wall but tougher). Also bad heat conductor, lose less heat to surroundings. 5 sticks = 100 feet should be just enough. Anyway is short can always go and buy again. Surplus, problem return good? So better buy lesser |
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Oct 24 2013, 04:03 PM
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QUOTE(petlu28 @ Oct 24 2013, 03:37 PM) I heard my plumber now a lot owner using S/S because cheap. Setback is hard to cut. Also hard to make bend, so advisable to use one piece of copper for end bending and positioning especially to be concealed in the wall. |
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Oct 24 2013, 04:08 PM
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Are you means joining part using cooper?
QUOTE(stevie8 @ Oct 24 2013, 04:03 PM) Setback is hard to cut. Also hard to make bend, so advisable to use one piece of copper for end bending and positioning especially to be concealed in the wall. |
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Oct 24 2013, 04:11 PM
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Got angle ss ma. Why need to use copper in between.
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Oct 24 2013, 04:34 PM
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I mean cutting ss is more difficult to cut copper. ss though is thin but tough. The cutting knife blunted easily after cutting few piece unlike cutting copper. So have to use saw.
 Yes there are socket you can make 90 degree turn but sometimes there are 60 degree turn or 50 degree turn or long turn (not sharp turn) due to obstacle like existing pvc pipe in the way and you need no socket to make these bends.   |
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Oct 24 2013, 04:40 PM
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Is OK la, skilled plumber can do it. My house hot water are SS.
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Oct 24 2013, 04:41 PM
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Ok but as waikee saying have angle i think more easier.
QUOTE(stevie8 @ Oct 24 2013, 04:34 PM) I mean cutting ss is more difficult to cut copper. ss though is thin but tough. The cutting knife blunted easily after cutting few piece unlike cutting copper. So have to use saw. Yes there are socket you can make 90 degree turn but sometimes there are 60 degree turn or 50 degree turn or long turn (not sharp turn) due to obstacle like existing pvc pipe in the way and you need no socket to make these bends. |
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Oct 24 2013, 04:41 PM
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Let's say the cold pipe out let and hot pipe outlet has to be 6 inches apart but it is a little more than 6 inches (for rain shower installation). You can bend along the copper pipe line to be closer to the pvc cold pipe easily. Of course you can bend pvc cold pipe but you either fire(heat) it then bend to position or use a nail to hold it in position before cement/concrete.
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Oct 24 2013, 04:42 PM
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thanks your idea. The S/S angle not expensive right?
QUOTE(weikee @ Oct 24 2013, 04:11 PM) Got angle ss ma. Why need to use copper in between. |
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Oct 24 2013, 04:49 PM
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QUOTE(petlu28 @ Oct 24 2013, 04:42 PM) thanks your idea. The S/S angle not expensive right? For water heater piping you dont use SS but copper fittings for ss pipe la.This post has been edited by stevie8: Oct 24 2013, 04:50 PM |
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Oct 24 2013, 04:50 PM
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look like a bit complicated.
QUOTE(stevie8 @ Oct 24 2013, 04:41 PM) Let's say the cold pipe out let and hot pipe outlet has to be 6 inches apart but it is a little more than 6 inches (for rain shower installation). You can bend along the copper pipe line to be closer to the pvc cold pipe easily. Of course you can bend pvc cold pipe but you either fire(heat) it then bend to position or use a nail to hold it in position before cement/concrete. |
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Oct 24 2013, 04:53 PM
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QUOTE(stevie8 @ Oct 24 2013, 04:34 PM) I mean cutting ss is more difficult to cut copper. ss though is thin but tough. The cutting knife blunted easily after cutting few piece unlike cutting copper. So have to use saw. I heard that the copper pipe can goes green stain?Yes there are socket you can make 90 degree turn but sometimes there are 60 degree turn or 50 degree turn or long turn (not sharp turn) due to obstacle like existing pvc pipe in the way and you need no socket to make these bends. Is that because of the copper pipe quality? or all copper will have this problem? |
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Oct 24 2013, 08:11 PM
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QUOTE(sovietmah @ Oct 24 2013, 04:53 PM) I heard that the copper pipe can goes green stain? That's copper corrosion. No harm one. In developed countries and especially US all homes use copper piping till today. The corrosion will stop once one of the ingredient is used up. Like GI/Iron pipes or even stainless steel there is corrosion mainly due to oxidation or cause by oxygen. Water is a universal solvent, it dissolves all things coming into contact with it even glass get dissolved. It is a matter how much been dissolved depending on the material. Sugar, salts for example get dissolves easily. Water can contain minerals like iron, copper, gold all things in the world. Metal and things like glass are in minute quantity. If you think copper is not safe then the plastic pvc pipe is also not save, it get dissolved in water also. Only those people who want to sell you their filter products will tell you it is harmful to health. If that is the case the filter casing itself get dissolved!!! Plus the filter mediums also get dissolved, of course, in minute quantity insignificant to health drinking it. Our body needs all sort of things in minute quantity and our body will wash away excesses. That's what your kidney and liver for. Do you drink? You are killing your liver when you drink too much alcohol. You drink coke?, you drink coffee? even tea. The food you eat, the veg organic or not with lots of chemical from soil. you eat fish? While you are ok because our bodies take care of it all the times unless you take too much of it at once your body and its organs cannot cope. Is that because of the copper pipe quality? or all copper will have this problem? Anyway, SS is better than copper as 304 SS is rust free (provided got no chippings). Why not many using SS was because it used to be more expensive than copper pipe until now that some smart fello come up with a new thin SS pipe using copper fittings. The SS pipe used to be as thick as GI pipe mainly because it needs thread to make connection. Now with copper connection or fittings thin SS pipe is used and cheaper than copper. (Copper pipe is more expensive than the thin ss is becasuse copper pipe is too soft and has to be thicker. More volume cost more). Moreover, the thick SS like GI pipe is so rigid and difficult to connect and no bending. A SS fittings costs RM4, whereas a pvc fitting cost RM0.40 and a GI fitting cost RM1-2. Copper fittings is as expensive as SS fitting. |
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Oct 24 2013, 08:40 PM
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BTW, There are copper coil in heater for heat transfer. Also there are copper in women's bodies, the IUD.
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Oct 24 2013, 11:09 PM
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Anyone here use joven i80? I would like to know how is review. Is it reliable?
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Oct 25 2013, 11:03 AM
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QUOTE(stevie8 @ Oct 21 2013, 11:04 AM) Kitkat, bro, just feedback to you after your helps.Click the image for more explanation.
finally mange to install the water heater with built in pump via water tank (tangki air), direct connect. the tank is about 2.5 - 3 feet above the shower head, without the pump the pressure is insufficient. after turn on the pump ther pressure just nice, everything working fine. i using joven 880P. the water isnt very very hot but just fine for me. again, thanks for your advice. |
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Oct 25 2013, 01:00 PM
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QUOTE(kitkat @ Oct 25 2013, 11:03 AM) bro, just feedback to you after your helps. Great to hear that. you are most welcome finally mange to install the water heater with built in pump via water tank (tangki air), direct connect. the tank is about 2.5 - 3 feet above the shower head, without the pump the pressure is insufficient. after turn on the pump ther pressure just nice, everything working fine. i using joven 880P. the water isnt very very hot but just fine for me. again, thanks for your advice. By the way, if your piping is exactly what I suggested, ie from tank and from direct with non-return valve; from your description, when you on the pump the pump is pulling water both from tanki and direct. The reason I am saying this is because it is good to use the tank water, otherwise the tank water become stale or become dead water. Since water is also drawn from tanki it is constantly being replenished from direct which contain chlorine and it "clean" the tank or sanitized the tank killing micro organism or germs. |
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Oct 25 2013, 01:13 PM
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QUOTE(stevie8 @ Oct 25 2013, 01:00 PM) Great to hear that. you are most welcome i force to use water tank mainly thanks for syabas. By the way, if your piping is exactly what I suggested, ie from tank and from direct with non-return valve; from your description, when you on the pump the pump is pulling water both from tanki and direct. The reason I am saying this is because it is good to use the tank water, otherwise the tank water become stale or become dead water. Since water is also drawn from tanki it is constantly being replenished from direct which contain chlorine and it "clean" the tank or sanitized the tank killing micro organism or germs. this few years, about 2-4 days of everyweek, we facing low pressure or totally out of water at night. and almost everyweek sure have 1-3 days no water supply due to here broken lah there bocor lah, otherwise wangsa maju bump not working lah... i made many many complains and i guess you know the results. their number 1800885252 already in my mind. |
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Oct 28 2013, 04:22 PM
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QUOTE(*StarGazer* @ Oct 23 2013, 02:23 PM) Master - no long bath. Showers for all bathrooms. Thanks for the tip @idoblu *StarGazer*Read this - something to be aware of https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...&#entry64164677 |
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Oct 28 2013, 05:49 PM
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QUOTE(idoblu @ Oct 28 2013, 04:22 PM) *StarGazer* thanks for the heads up @idoblu. I may just end up buying their instant water heater or maybe their hot water dispenser Read this - something to be aware of https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...&#entry64164677 This post has been edited by *StarGazer*: Oct 28 2013, 05:50 PM |
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Oct 28 2013, 06:16 PM
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any one can recommend me instant wh with booster pump for less than 350-400? need to used two for rental house.
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Oct 28 2013, 09:58 PM
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QUOTE(idoblu @ Oct 28 2013, 04:22 PM) *StarGazer* Nice sharing Read this - something to be aware of https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...&#entry64164677 |
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Oct 29 2013, 03:43 PM
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Look like Seer product not so popular in here.
QUOTE(stevie8 @ Oct 28 2013, 09:58 PM) Nice sharing |
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Oct 29 2013, 10:39 PM
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QUOTE(petlu28 @ Oct 29 2013, 03:43 PM) Look like Seer product not so popular in here. Installation RM300, 6 foot piping RM600. Total RM900 for this kind of heater simple installation!!!Do you know that installation for a 60 gallon solar heater is only RM600 which includes 1. Two skilled workers with long ladder dangerously take the heater up the roof. Secured the brackets, install and put the 60 gallon tank in position, 2. fix the non-return valves two pieces, 3. one hot and one cold steel stop valves 3. copper piping one cold to tank and one hot to hot inlet (to bathrooms) 4. Connect heater element to power source at the roof. 5. Pressure testing for leak by switching on pump 6. And if pump bought together with solar heater, pump installation is free of charge So much work and materials. |
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Oct 30 2013, 10:17 AM
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wow!!! I seen their price higher than others brands too.
QUOTE(stevie8 @ Oct 29 2013, 10:39 PM) Installation RM300, 6 foot piping RM600. Total RM900 for this kind of heater simple installation!!! Do you know that installation for a 60 gallon solar heater is only RM600 which includes 1. Two skilled workers with long ladder dangerously take the heater up the roof. Secured the brackets, install and put the 60 gallon tank in position, 2. fix the non-return valves two pieces, 3. one hot and one cold steel stop valves 3. copper piping one cold to tank and one hot to hot inlet (to bathrooms) 4. Connect heater element to power source at the roof. 5. Pressure testing for leak by switching on pump 6. And if pump bought together with solar heater, pump installation is free of charge So much work and materials. |
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Nov 8 2013, 05:39 PM
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Hi there, I'm looking for a good and reliable plumber to help install hot water piping(copper/SS) for my double storey house, plan to install solar water heater. Anyone can share a good contact with me? Many thanks in advance.
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Nov 9 2013, 10:19 AM
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QUOTE(kucingfight @ Nov 27 2011, 04:56 AM) oh damn..yeah 3JL1 is the most basic..mm i tot i got it cheaper than jintex when checked online..is rm228 cheapest? i din do any price comparison as was tired after whole day of shopping kucingfight What's the difference between DH-3JL3 & DH3HS2 ? Thanks. QUOTE(metalbod @ Nov 27 2011, 12:17 AM) ai kucingfight. u shud've asked me abt panasonic water heaters. hehehe... me went shopping ard like crazy for pana, so i got some pricing for diff shops. 3JL1 i got lowest is rm228 from online shop jXXtXX. 3JL1 is the light shower head kind right? metalbodThe online shop is it jintex? Thanks. This post has been edited by CP88: Nov 9 2013, 10:26 AM |
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Nov 28 2013, 09:18 PM
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=Minimum Flow Rate:3 liter / minute
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Dec 2 2013, 03:26 AM
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hi, anyone know where to buy the water heater under kitchen sink??
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Dec 2 2013, 11:33 AM
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QUOTE(janding @ Dec 2 2013, 03:26 AM) hi, anyone know where to buy the water heater under kitchen sink?? Probably need to figure out bout 20A wiring and water piping.You plan to use it to wash plate? |
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Dec 2 2013, 01:26 PM
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QUOTE(sovietmah @ Dec 2 2013, 12:33 PM) Probably need to figure out bout 20A wiring and water piping. yes, plan to use it at dry and wet kitchen. Do you have any ideal where can u get it?You plan to use it to wash plate? |
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Dec 2 2013, 02:11 PM
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QUOTE(janding @ Dec 2 2013, 01:26 PM) yes, plan to use it at dry and wet kitchen. Do you have any ideal where can u get it? Hi janding u can get the under sink heater from hereThere are some not-so-good feedback (expensive installation etc) for this brand but thus far it's the only under the sink heater which I know of. As you may know, this will require proper wiring and piping. Hope it helps. |
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Dec 2 2013, 06:57 PM
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QUOTE(*StarGazer* @ Dec 2 2013, 03:11 PM) Hi janding u can get the under sink heater from here hi, many many thanks There are some not-so-good feedback (expensive installation etc) for this brand but thus far it's the only under the sink heater which I know of. As you may know, this will require proper wiring and piping. Hope it helps. . will check it out . |
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Dec 7 2013, 10:11 PM
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Just for sharing, currently using Beebest SP2 instant water heater.
The water is hot and powerful and yet the pump is silent (DC Pump - much longer life pump). It has no fancy and not a great looking water heater but it purposeful and even my very low water pressure also can turn ON the water heater. (because certain water heater brand, when pressure is too low, it not able to turn On the heater). And the price is very reasonable below RM480 before installation cost. P/S, before using Beebest, I'm using multiple AC Pump Instant Water Heater brands before before but it's very noisy when you use after a year or 2 years onwards... |
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Dec 8 2013, 12:56 PM
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I had been thru few units of beebest sp2 in the past, and it does work great compare to panasonic or euro uno i tried and mine the longest serving sp2 in the house is 4 years++ and mid last year i bought another 6 for rm400 per unit.
QUOTE(Rojak @ Dec 7 2013, 10:11 PM) Just for sharing, currently using Beebest SP2 instant water heater. The water is hot and powerful and yet the pump is silent (DC Pump - much longer life pump). It has no fancy and not a great looking water heater but it purposeful and even my very low water pressure also can turn ON the water heater. (because certain water heater brand, when pressure is too low, it not able to turn On the heater). And the price is very reasonable below RM480 before installation cost. P/S, before using Beebest, I'm using multiple AC Pump Instant Water Heater brands before before but it's very noisy when you use after a year or 2 years onwards... |
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Hi, may I know where do you the Beebest SP2 ? Since it cheaper than my Beebest SP2 that I installed last year.
Besides that, I plan to change my Euro Uno (AC Pump) with Beebest SP2 within this week. My Euro Uno (AC Pump) is very very loud (few houses nearby also can hear it) when I used it for almost 5 years. And it started to trip to turn off by itself sometimes when i using it. (Electronic defects - Not Electric Shock). QUOTE(Eng_Tat @ Dec 8 2013, 12:56 PM) I had been thru few units of beebest sp2 in the past, and it does work great compare to panasonic or euro uno i tried and mine the longest serving sp2 in the house is 4 years++ and mid last year i bought another 6 for rm400 per unit. |
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Dec 11 2013, 08:16 PM
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i bought in Masai, Johor i need to get the shop name. not sure still can get this price or not, because back then i bought together with 11 unit of AC.
QUOTE(Rojak @ Dec 11 2013, 06:45 PM) Hi, may I know where do you the Beebest SP2 ? Since it cheaper than my Beebest SP2 that I installed last year. Besides that, I plan to change my Euro Uno (AC Pump) with Beebest SP2 within this week. My Euro Uno (AC Pump) is very very loud (few houses nearby also can hear it) when I used it for almost 5 years. And it started to trip to turn off by itself sometimes when i using it. (Electronic defects - Not Electric Shock). |
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Dec 14 2013, 09:29 PM
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Oh i see. No wonder...
I bought only 1 water heater, therefore, the price is not as cheap as yours. I get it installed today and it working well. The pump is really silent and the water can be very hot when turn to max. QUOTE(Eng_Tat @ Dec 11 2013, 08:16 PM) i bought in Masai, Johor i need to get the shop name. not sure still can get this price or not, because back then i bought together with 11 unit of AC. |
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Dec 18 2013, 06:43 PM
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now i just bought Alpha m3ep from senq for rm389.00 not sure how good is this.
QUOTE(Rojak @ Dec 14 2013, 09:29 PM) Oh i see. No wonder... I bought only 1 water heater, therefore, the price is not as cheap as yours. I get it installed today and it working well. The pump is really silent and the water can be very hot when turn to max. |
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Jan 5 2014, 12:10 AM
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Hi Folks,
Looking at water heaters in the market now...which one has the best value for money? Thanks.... |
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Jan 11 2014, 10:54 PM
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are we not supposed to use water heater with pump when the water pressure is strong enough ? i've been told by the alpha's technician . newly bought and KO'ed within a few days . thier product lousy or the technician bullshitting me ?
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Jan 12 2014, 12:05 PM
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QUOTE(telur @ Jan 11 2014, 10:54 PM) are we not supposed to use water heater with pump when the water pressure is strong enough ? i've been told by the alpha's technician . newly bought and KO'ed within a few days . thier product lousy or the technician bullshitting me ? If the pressure is high enough, you can switch off the pump. But not sure is your heater have such a switch. |
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Jan 12 2014, 12:46 PM
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QUOTE(ozak @ Jan 12 2014, 12:05 PM) If the pressure is high enough, you can switch off the pump. But not sure is your heater have such a switch. My new joven pump for my mom house don't have switch to off the pump. Then older Centon have it. |
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Jan 12 2014, 12:57 PM
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QUOTE(ozak @ Jan 12 2014, 12:05 PM) If the pressure is high enough, you can switch off the pump. But not sure is your heater have such a switch. Yes it has the on off switch that you mentioned for the pump . But i want the strong pressure to be even stronger . Im not satisfield hehe |
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Jan 12 2014, 02:16 PM
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QUOTE(weikee @ Jan 12 2014, 12:46 PM) My new joven pump for my mom house don't have switch to off the pump. Then older Centon have it. My heater have a knob to turn off the pump. 5yrs old heater. |
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Jan 12 2014, 02:23 PM
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QUOTE(telur @ Jan 12 2014, 12:57 PM) Yes it has the on off switch that you mentioned for the pump . But i want the strong pressure to be even stronger . Im not satisfield hehe The way of getting high pressure for hot water is not correct. Such a small pump in a heater where enough pressure to pump. The heater pump is help for low pressure only. Get a proper pump if want a higher pressure. A storage heater would be better. |
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Jan 12 2014, 06:19 PM
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QUOTE(Eng_Tat @ Dec 18 2013, 06:43 PM) now i just bought Alpha m3ep from senq for rm389.00 not sure how good is this. how was ur review on the water heater?i bought it too at sengheng for RM389 with my points, is a good deal but quite noisy. |
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Jan 14 2014, 10:26 AM
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Hmm, i think mine i consider as acceptable for the noise when i tested, maybe need to used sometimes more to see if it will become noisy after a while, i think its as quiet as my beebest sp2. another heater that i have is euro uno, cant remember model but that is very noisy. this alpha i bought 5 of this heater for my rental properties. so let see can this heater be reliable. i have 8 beebest sp2 for past 4 yrs, only 1 have electrical board/elcb issue. for pump heater i think its quiet cheap already.
QUOTE(StephenStriker @ Jan 12 2014, 06:19 PM) how was ur review on the water heater? i bought it too at sengheng for RM389 with my points, is a good deal but quite noisy. |
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Jan 16 2014, 09:37 PM
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dear sifu..need some advice. bought deka water heater with dc pump for new house but look like hv forumer comment not so good before tis. anybody use tis brand before? n found that water pressure at 1st floor too low. is it I need to install a pump after water tank or jz use tat water heater pump enough...thanks..
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Feb 6 2014, 01:56 PM
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anybody using beebest water heater brand? hows the quality and dc pump performance?
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Feb 6 2014, 01:58 PM
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QUOTE(exkaizen @ Feb 6 2014, 01:56 PM) anybody using beebest water heater brand? hows the quality and dc pump performance? died after 5 years ... i guess its good. |
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Feb 6 2014, 02:07 PM
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Still prefer Panasonic or Centon(used for 6 years then the DC pump gone).
Anyway, water heater shall be changed after 6-7 years. |
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Feb 6 2014, 03:38 PM
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I'm using Electrolux EWE361AXDW. Simple and utilitarian. I like it for its elegant appearance and the plastics and manufacturing quality seems to be a shade above a majority of the rest of other makes.
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Feb 17 2014, 04:08 PM
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i'm looking for water heater with rain shower function.
which brand recommended? what is water heater common lifespan? |
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Feb 17 2014, 10:35 PM
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Plan to buy Alpha brand with pump .. not sure which one is the best
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Feb 17 2014, 10:36 PM
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Mar 3 2014, 09:43 AM
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Is this a good deal?
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Mar 4 2014, 05:43 PM
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QUOTE(weikee @ Jan 12 2014, 12:46 PM) My new joven pump for my mom house don't have switch to off the pump. Then older Centon have it. weikee, mind sharing the model no? i also lazy on/off the pump daily. |
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Mar 4 2014, 05:56 PM
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QUOTE(monkey9926 @ Mar 4 2014, 05:43 PM) weikee, Don't have to on / off, it will switch on automatically Every time you on the water heater. It apply for all build in pump. mind sharing the model no? i also lazy on/off the pump daily. The older Centon can adjust pump speed, or turn off the pump it not required. is just a manual knob. |
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Mar 10 2014, 02:16 PM
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sifu sifu here,
after almost finish wet works only i realised my contractor did not provide straight water from meter to the kitchen and ground floor bath. from meter all my water go to water tank and distribute out. will i have problem with pressure ? do u advise to put all water heater with pumps? or install groundfos pump? |
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Mar 10 2014, 04:36 PM
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For a double storey house, the ground floor toilet water heater no need to use pump also can?
The pressure from tangki is enuff to pressurized ground floor water heater? |
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Mar 11 2014, 12:09 AM
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QUOTE(chinkw1 @ Mar 10 2014, 04:36 PM) For a double storey house, the ground floor toilet water heater no need to use pump also can? Do some simple testing. Put a hose on the tap. Raise the hose up 2 meter with a stick. Open the tap and see the water flow out good enough.The pressure from tangki is enuff to pressurized ground floor water heater? |
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May 5 2014, 06:29 PM
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Looking for water heater with rainshower... Visited homedec and saw few brands... Alpha, Deka, Rinnai, Joven, Cornell.... Any recommendation?
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May 5 2014, 10:57 PM
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QUOTE(davlee @ May 5 2014, 06:29 PM) Looking for water heater with rainshower... Visited homedec and saw few brands... Alpha, Deka, Rinnai, Joven, Cornell.... Any recommendation? joven got new model, can try. |
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May 6 2014, 10:39 AM
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which company included installation for heater purchase?
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May 6 2014, 11:13 AM
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Is Centon a good brand?
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May 6 2014, 01:12 PM
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QUOTE(daylight2013 @ May 6 2014, 10:39 AM) which company included installation for heater purchase? most electrical shop got outsource for people to do. |
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May 6 2014, 01:33 PM
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QUOTE(davlee @ May 5 2014, 06:29 PM) Looking for water heater with rainshower... Visited homedec and saw few brands... Alpha, Deka, Rinnai, Joven, Cornell.... Any recommendation? Joven & Rubine also has new models for rain shower with water heater.Rubine has a new sleek design...Joven has always been a reliable brand..the choice is yours. Actually u guys can consider getting one without rain shower then add on other rainshower set c/w handshower the quality is much better than those provided by the instant water heater set. Price is only slightly more..but you can get better quality & bigger shower head. Just my suggestion. |
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May 6 2014, 02:10 PM
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QUOTE(a.n.d.y @ May 6 2014, 01:33 PM) Joven & Rubine also has new models for rain shower with water heater. Thanks for the suggestion. Not a bad idea actually... Actually all those brands that I mentioned, also comes with rainshower model but Rinnai has the best looking rainshower head. Some rainshower just looks very flimsy and plasticky...Rubine has a new sleek design...Joven has always been a reliable brand..the choice is yours. Actually u guys can consider getting one without rain shower then add on other rainshower set c/w handshower the quality is much better than those provided by the instant water heater set. Price is only slightly more..but you can get better quality & bigger shower head. Just my suggestion. |
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May 6 2014, 03:39 PM
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May I know if we purchase 3 unit of water heater plus 2 unit of fan, will the installer charge installation fee per item or one price for all 5 item?
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May 6 2014, 04:58 PM
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Installer usually will charge per item. But you can ask for more discounts or lumpsum since they come in one trip.
QUOTE(MtV @ May 6 2014, 03:39 PM) May I know if we purchase 3 unit of water heater plus 2 unit of fan, will the installer charge installation fee per item or one price for all 5 item? |
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May 6 2014, 06:58 PM
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QUOTE(MtV @ May 6 2014, 03:39 PM) May I know if we purchase 3 unit of water heater plus 2 unit of fan, will the installer charge installation fee per item or one price for all 5 item? Installer will usually charge per item and also depends on the complexity of your setup...example no existing power points or piping..But definitely can ask for discount since its only 1 trip as bro Eng_Tat says |
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May 7 2014, 10:27 AM
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QUOTE(MtV @ May 6 2014, 03:39 PM) May I know if we purchase 3 unit of water heater plus 2 unit of fan, will the installer charge installation fee per item or one price for all 5 item? i also asking same question..after drop a visit to electrical shop, charges as below:- water heater installation - RM70, adding power point- RM60 fan installation with existing hook- RM45, without existing hook- RM80 Price reasonable everyone?  |
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May 7 2014, 10:28 AM
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Price above is per item price ya
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May 7 2014, 10:32 AM
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QUOTE(daylight2013 @ May 7 2014, 10:27 AM) i also asking same question.. If water pipes are there already(mine are flexible type), installation can nego to rm50. Just put 3 wires in, hack 4 small holes for screws, secure the heater and close shop after drop a visit to electrical shop, charges as below:- water heater installation - RM70, adding power point- RM60 fan installation with existing hook- RM45, without existing hook- RM80 Price reasonable everyone? Wiring the water heater is reasonable, if they tap the wire from the distribution box. If they tap from nearest plug point, use a 1.5l 100plus bottle and poke their ars rm80-100 for installing a fan without hook are the market price  |
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May 7 2014, 10:41 AM
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Joven water storage, 2 days used KO liao
Complain joven monday, now wednesday still no body call me !!!!! This post has been edited by samngcheesan: May 7 2014, 10:41 AM |
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May 7 2014, 10:45 AM
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QUOTE(supersound @ May 7 2014, 10:32 AM) If water pipes are there already(mine are flexible type), installation can nego to rm50. Just put 3 wires in, hack 4 small holes for screws, secure the heater and close shop but can it be tap to nearest point? if my master bath room far away from DB, then need travel a long long cable? Wiring the water heater is reasonable, if they tap the wire from the distribution box. If they tap from nearest plug point, use a 1.5l 100plus bottle and poke their ars rm80-100 for installing a fan without hook are the market price |
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May 7 2014, 10:52 AM
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QUOTE(daylight2013 @ May 7 2014, 10:45 AM) but can it be tap to nearest point? if my master bath room far away from DB, then need travel a long long cable? You can, but make sure it is from the light point. As lights are not that power hungry  But you have to know by testing the fuse on the distribution box. If original already 1 fuse serve the whole room, then it will be quite risky. |
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May 7 2014, 10:59 AM
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QUOTE(supersound @ May 7 2014, 10:52 AM) You can, but make sure it is from the light point. thanks for your advise. i should test it out. just avoid to share with aircon point. As lights are not that power hungry But you have to know by testing the fuse on the distribution box. If original already 1 fuse serve the whole room, then it will be quite risky. |
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May 7 2014, 11:03 AM
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QUOTE(davlee @ May 5 2014, 06:29 PM) Looking for water heater with rainshower... Visited homedec and saw few brands... Alpha, Deka, Rinnai, Joven, Cornell.... Any recommendation? Last year, after running all over electrical shops, finally decided to go with BeeBest with rain shower (model S8R). It comes with decent rainshower and runs on DC motor, which is much quieter compared to AC motor. I liked its ELCB and motor cutoff. Their support is located at Jelutong, Shah alam. WHich was my other consideration as well. Element comes with 5yrs warranty.So far, I'm happy with it. As for Storage tank, I went with Pecol. Been having it for the last 10yrs. Working great. Just recently replaced the element. |
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May 7 2014, 03:43 PM
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QUOTE(daylight2013 @ May 7 2014, 10:59 AM) thanks for your advise. i should test it out. just avoid to share with aircon point. Technically you shall avoid sharing. But then if confirmed already is just lights that are using that particular fuse, then it should not be a big problem. Have to know that, water heater(with pump) the power requirement are not that high. It will be high when the heater starts to work.Like my house, I install the water heater just because of low pressure. The heater seldom use. |
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May 7 2014, 03:52 PM
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What about for bathrooms upstairs? Have not buy any water heater yet. The lady boss of a hardware shop tell me that if water pressure is good, no need to buy heaters with pump. So far as I see, when I turn on the wall tap, the water pressure is good. So is it ok to buy without pump?
QUOTE(ozak @ Mar 11 2014, 01:09 AM) Do some simple testing. Put a hose on the tap. Raise the hose up 2 meter with a stick. Open the tap and see the water flow out good enough. |
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May 7 2014, 04:46 PM
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QUOTE(S'aimer @ May 7 2014, 03:52 PM) What about for bathrooms upstairs? Have not buy any water heater yet. The lady boss of a hardware shop tell me that if water pressure is good, no need to buy heaters with pump. So far as I see, when I turn on the wall tap, the water pressure is good. So is it ok to buy without pump? just buy with pump, won't regret if anything happen. |
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May 10 2014, 09:50 AM
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For water heater with pump, Joven or Alpha better?
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May 10 2014, 11:03 AM
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QUOTE(supersound @ May 7 2014, 03:43 PM) Technically you shall avoid sharing. But then if confirmed already is just lights that are using that particular fuse, then it should not be a big problem. Have to know that, water heater(with pump) the power requirement are not that high. It will be high when the heater starts to work. Hi supersound,Like my house, I install the water heater just because of low pressure. The heater seldom use. Just wondering y u didn't install a main pressure pump for your whole house? |
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May 10 2014, 07:44 PM
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QUOTE(chinkw1 @ May 10 2014, 09:50 AM) For water heater with pump, Joven or Alpha better? i personally like Alpha which is more stable and durable. |
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May 10 2014, 10:17 PM
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QUOTE(chinkw1 @ May 10 2014, 09:50 AM) For water heater with pump, Joven or Alpha better? What ever brand you buy, the protecting circuit must be checked once every few years.Unless you want your self to come out in the newspaper saying you died during shower. Each year in Malaysia sure have 1-3 person died on this reason. |
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May 11 2014, 01:17 AM
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QUOTE(S'aimer @ May 7 2014, 03:52 PM) What about for bathrooms upstairs? Have not buy any water heater yet. The lady boss of a hardware shop tell me that if water pressure is good, no need to buy heaters with pump. So far as I see, when I turn on the wall tap, the water pressure is good. So is it ok to buy without pump? You need to know, how good is good the pressure. Something a figure to see, check and measure. Without this, the lady boss thinking preesure is not what you think the pressure is it. So you got to ask yourself, how to tell. Got to try to avoid the later argument with the boss if mistake buying the wrong heater. |
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May 11 2014, 09:37 PM
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How to really check? When I turn on the taps, water flow is good.
QUOTE(ozak @ May 11 2014, 02:17 AM) You need to know, how good is good the pressure. Something a figure to see, check and measure. Without this, the lady boss thinking preesure is not what you think the pressure is it. So you got to ask yourself, how to tell. Got to try to avoid the later argument with the boss if mistake buying the wrong heater. |
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May 12 2014, 09:40 AM
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i brought 3 joven water heater, 1 with rain shower, 2 normal, but all 3 with dc pump.
i felt that the water pressure isn't that strong even after i turn on the pump, perhaps my house water pressure is really low.  due to it being new model, the contractor don't even know how to assemble it, end up i have to do it myself, and i had already paid him. will update more after some usage. |
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May 12 2014, 06:48 PM
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QUOTE(fkinmeng @ May 12 2014, 09:40 AM) i brought 3 joven water heater, 1 with rain shower, 2 normal, but all 3 with dc pump. Hi, how much did you pay please? Thanksi felt that the water pressure isn't that strong even after i turn on the pump, perhaps my house water pressure is really low. due to it being new model, the contractor don't even know how to assemble it, end up i have to do it myself, and i had already paid him. will update more after some usage. |
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May 12 2014, 06:49 PM
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Hello all, I'm looking at water heater with dc pump. What is the reasonable price range I should budget for each of them? What's the brand and model please? Appreciate your kind help ! Thanks.
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QUOTE(BrandNewStart @ May 12 2014, 06:49 PM) Hello all, all looking at water heater with dc pump. What is the reasonable price range I should budget for each of them? What's the brand and model please? Appreciate your kind help ! Thanks. I'm using rinnai with dc pump and rainshower.Price at rm620. |
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QUOTE(exkaizen @ May 12 2014, 07:06 PM) I'm using rinnai with dc pump and rainshower. Thank you. Is it model A360-R? Thanks again.Price at rm620. |
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QUOTE(BrandNewStart @ May 12 2014, 09:13 PM) Thank you. Is it model A360-R? Thanks again. yes... this the one..http://www.rinnai.com.my/product/category/9/64 |
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May 12 2014, 10:55 PM
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QUOTE(exkaizen @ May 12 2014, 10:07 PM) TQ!! |
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QUOTE(BrandNewStart @ May 12 2014, 06:48 PM) Hi, how much did you pay please? Thanks rm620 for rain shower with dc pump.rm500+ (can't remember exact figure) for dc pump only. |
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May 14 2014, 07:09 AM
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Bro, i dont think you shall tap wires from lighting point for WH. most lighting wires are 1.5mm if provided by developer or even the wire man. the MCB rating for lighting is usually 6A.
QUOTE(supersound @ May 7 2014, 10:52 AM) You can, but make sure it is from the light point. As lights are not that power hungry But you have to know by testing the fuse on the distribution box. If original already 1 fuse serve the whole room, then it will be quite risky. |
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May 14 2014, 09:53 AM
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QUOTE(Eng_Tat @ May 14 2014, 07:09 AM) Bro, i dont think you shall tap wires from lighting point for WH. most lighting wires are 1.5mm if provided by developer or even the wire man. the MCB rating for lighting is usually 6A. Tell you what, the whole house are using low quality wire by default. That's why I'll lay new wire for high power consumers as far as possible. Using it for short period of time(as said, water heater won't take much power if the thermostat not set to max heat), so in some sense need to compromise a bit on this.For safety sake, yes you are right. |
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May 14 2014, 10:02 AM
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bought rinnai water heaters during the fair... anyone used them before?
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May 14 2014, 10:11 AM
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QUOTE(alexng2208 @ May 14 2014, 10:02 AM) bought rinnai water heaters during the fair... anyone used them before? From where?And after sales service support good or not |
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QUOTE(supersound @ May 14 2014, 10:11 AM) From where? aiyo, the homedec lor, pricing so attractive make me wanna buy niaAnd after sales service support good or not around 500+ (lower 500s) for each without the rainshower thing since i bought hansgrohe shower hand thing dunno about anything else because never bought their things before |
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May 14 2014, 10:22 AM
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QUOTE(alexng2208 @ May 14 2014, 10:14 AM) aiyo, the homedec lor, pricing so attractive make me wanna buy nia Sorry, my bad.around 500+ (lower 500s) for each without the rainshower thing since i bought hansgrohe shower hand thing dunno about anything else because never bought their things before I mean is made from where When buying electric appliances, after sales service support are very important. That's why I never buy any item in Homdec. |
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May 14 2014, 10:24 AM
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QUOTE(supersound @ May 14 2014, 10:22 AM) Sorry, my bad. japan lor. rinnai all their things they told me from jiponI mean is made from where When buying electric appliances, after sales service support are very important. That's why I never buy any item in Homdec. |
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QUOTE(alexng2208 @ May 14 2014, 10:24 AM) japan lor. rinnai all their things they told me from jipon http://www.rinnai.com.my/main/service/contactLooks like is from Japan, but made in where are a question mark  Service centers also not much, so |
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QUOTE(supersound @ May 14 2014, 10:34 AM) http://www.rinnai.com.my/main/service/contact made in japonLooks like is from Japan, but made in where are a question mark Service centers also not much, so should be japon Q less service centers mean = awesome product no need service (i hope) Update: Rinnai Corporation is a company based in Nagoya, Japan, that manufactures gas appliances, including energy-efficient tankless water heaters,[1] home heating appliances, and boilers. Incorporated in 1920, Rinnai has 20 branches, six domestic production facilities, and 86 sales offices globally including Australia, Brazil, Hong Kong, Indonesia, Italy, Malaysia, New Zealand, China, Singapore, South Korea, Taiwan, Thailand, the United Kingdom, Vietnam, and the United States. The company produces its own branded tankless water heaters, as well as rebranded units sold by manufacturers such as Bradford White and GE. From Wiki. They have 6 domestic = made in japon This post has been edited by alexng2208: May 14 2014, 10:38 AM |
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QUOTE(alexng2208 @ May 14 2014, 10:37 AM) made in japon When the sellers stressing that it is from Japan, then I on the spot walked out(they are cheating) should be japon Q less service centers mean = awesome product no need service (i hope) Update: Rinnai Corporation is a company based in Nagoya, Japan, that manufactures gas appliances, including energy-efficient tankless water heaters,[1] home heating appliances, and boilers. Incorporated in 1920, Rinnai has 20 branches, six domestic production facilities, and 86 sales offices globally including Australia, Brazil, Hong Kong, Indonesia, Italy, Malaysia, New Zealand, China, Singapore, South Korea, Taiwan, Thailand, the United Kingdom, Vietnam, and the United States. The company produces its own branded tankless water heaters, as well as rebranded units sold by manufacturers such as Bradford White and GE. From Wiki. They have 6 domestic = made in japon |
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May 14 2014, 10:45 AM
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QUOTE(supersound @ May 14 2014, 10:41 AM) When the sellers stressing that it is from Japan, then I on the spot walked out(they are cheating) rinnai not japan? i always thought that it was... |
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May 14 2014, 11:01 AM
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QUOTE(alexng2208 @ May 14 2014, 10:45 AM) rinnai not japan? i always thought that it was... A Japan company does not means everything will be made in Japan Usually they will build the manufacturing plant in third world countries to reduce cost. |
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May 14 2014, 11:03 AM
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QUOTE(supersound @ May 14 2014, 11:01 AM) A Japan company does not means everything will be made in Japan but but but Usually they will build the manufacturing plant in third world countries to reduce cost. the wiki entry mentioned that they have 6 domestic plants... |
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May 14 2014, 11:05 AM
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QUOTE(alexng2208 @ May 14 2014, 11:03 AM) but but but I can have 20 domestic plants but I won't tell you where are them located the wiki entry mentioned that they have 6 domestic plants... |
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May 14 2014, 11:09 AM
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QUOTE(supersound @ May 14 2014, 11:05 AM) I can have 20 domestic plants but I won't tell you where are them located well... i agree but they do have a shanghai plant to cater to chinese market.... so possible. will snap pix when i get it so i can confirm |
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May 15 2014, 01:59 PM
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anyone using panasonic water heater with the e-cycle thing? good?
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May 28 2014, 03:02 PM
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QUOTE(ashly @ May 15 2014, 01:59 PM) anyone using panasonic water heater with the e-cycle thing? good? How about the water heater seers...how much for 200L. |
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May 29 2014, 10:05 AM
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Joven vs Alpha, which one is more suited for rented units?
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May 29 2014, 10:25 AM
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QUOTE(Ardam @ May 29 2014, 10:05 AM) Joven vs Alpha, which one is more suited for rented units? I don't think it will make any difference. But most importantly is the booster pump of ur rented unit whether it's strong enough. |
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May 29 2014, 10:33 AM
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QUOTE(chinkw1 @ May 10 2014, 09:50 AM) For water heater with pump, Joven or Alpha better? You may first decide whether to use dc pump or ac pump. Dc pump cost more but it gives 5years warranty, and selling point is that the sound won't be as loud as ac pump, and it saves more electricity. Whereas ac pump only give 1year warranty, and cheaper compared to dc pump. |
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May 29 2014, 10:57 AM
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QUOTE(PSM Home @ May 29 2014, 10:25 AM) I don't think it will make any difference. But most importantly is the booster pump of ur rented unit whether it's strong enough. Thanks PSM, mind to tell how can I check where is the booster pump and how to determine whether it's strong or not? |
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May 29 2014, 11:18 AM
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QUOTE(Ardam @ May 29 2014, 10:57 AM) Thanks PSM, mind to tell how can I check where is the booster pump and how to determine whether it's strong or not? Booster pump will normally be installed beside your tangki, and it is always under the rooftop. As for the checking, what we normally do is we can first turn on the water tap, then turn on the shower water to see whether the water remains strong or has gone weaker. It also depends how many toilets you have. But the best way is to call up your plumber |
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May 29 2014, 11:31 AM
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dont buy JOVEN, 2days used KO liao
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May 29 2014, 11:31 AM
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QUOTE(Ardam @ May 29 2014, 10:05 AM) Joven vs Alpha, which one is more suited for rented units? dont ever think about JOVEN... |
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May 29 2014, 11:52 AM
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QUOTE(samngcheesan @ May 29 2014, 11:31 AM) dont buy JOVEN, 2days used KO liao Sounds like you had a really bad experience with the product. Mind to share? |
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May 29 2014, 12:07 PM
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QUOTE(PSM Home @ May 29 2014, 11:52 AM) Sounds like you had a really bad experience with the product. Mind to share? only used for 2days, the heater KO, u shyiok or not? some more call to joven, they only able to come to repair on week day, saturday & sunday cannot come.... i need to apply 1day off just for this joven thing!!!!! |
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May 29 2014, 01:34 PM
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QUOTE(samngcheesan @ May 29 2014, 11:31 AM) dont buy JOVEN, 2days used KO liao i got 3 units, haven use, install at new house.  |
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May 29 2014, 03:33 PM
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I have 3 units of Rubine water heater (built-in ac pump) bought on January. 1 in the ground floor bathroom and the other 2 in the first floor bathrooms.
They were all running fine until the water disruption started in Selangor. One of the 1st floor unit doesn't function well anymore. When I turn it On and use, the pump sounds very weak and it dies off after a while leaving the water pressure extremely slow. But funnily, the water pressure is like normal from the taps in the same bathroom. The other 2 units are working fine. Is the problem with my piping or water heater? |
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May 29 2014, 11:06 PM
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i got the plumber to run a bypass with one way valve at the tank to all the bathrooms on upper floors ($300 incl 3 valves & install)
and then bought Joven water heater without the pumps (it cost much lesser  compared to those with pump function) yet quiet And believe me the water pressure is good and i save on electricity bills long term and maintenance/investment on water pumps though i still dont pay for water bill as i used less than RM15 a month! This post has been edited by StevenL: May 29 2014, 11:11 PM |
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May 30 2014, 09:08 AM
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QUOTE(fkinmeng @ May 29 2014, 01:34 PM) i got 3 units, haven use, install at new house. dont worry la, I got 3 Joven, use for 7 years also no problemBut mine are storage heaters, not instant. If instant ones, then good luck to you. (no matter what brand) This post has been edited by idoblu: May 30 2014, 09:11 AM |
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May 30 2014, 09:25 AM
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QUOTE(idoblu @ May 30 2014, 09:08 AM) dont worry la, I got 3 Joven, use for 7 years also no problem is instant ones that bad? But mine are storage heaters, not instant. If instant ones, then good luck to you. (no matter what brand) |
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May 30 2014, 09:32 AM
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QUOTE(fkinmeng @ May 30 2014, 09:25 AM) is instant ones that bad? not bad but more parts to break down and you might get electrocuted storage heaters are more straight forward. its like a big kettle. |
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May 30 2014, 10:50 AM
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Ok, I'll opt for Alpha this time.
Next question, where to get 3 units at a bargain? Not using it myself, just for a rent-out unit. |
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May 30 2014, 10:52 AM
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QUOTE(Ardam @ May 30 2014, 10:50 AM) Ok, I'll opt for Alpha this time. You can go to the shop that is nearby to your place. Or subsequently, you can come to our showroom too Next question, where to get 3 units at a bargain? Not using it myself, just for a rent-out unit. |
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May 30 2014, 10:55 AM
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QUOTE(PSM Home @ May 30 2014, 10:52 AM) You can go to the shop that is nearby to your place. Or subsequently, you can come to our showroom too Ok, let me do some legwork and compare. |
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May 30 2014, 11:37 AM
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QUOTE(fkinmeng @ May 30 2014, 09:25 AM) is instant ones that bad? You didn't read the news last yrs? A Japanese couple died electrocute by water heater in mont kiara. |
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May 30 2014, 11:43 AM
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QUOTE(ozak @ May 30 2014, 11:37 AM) You didn't read the news last yrs? A Japanese couple died electrocute by water heater in mont kiara. every year thousands die from road accidents. do you still drive / ride / take bus / take cab? how many get electrocuted vs how many installed water heaters ?? |
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May 30 2014, 11:44 AM
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QUOTE(ozak @ May 30 2014, 11:37 AM) You didn't read the news last yrs? A Japanese couple died electrocute by water heater in mont kiara. well i did, but i seldom use, it's mainly for guest.worried now. |
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May 30 2014, 12:51 PM
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QUOTE(fkinmeng @ May 30 2014, 11:44 AM) well i did, but i seldom use, it's mainly for guest. Don't worried la. I also use instant heater. Ha...ha...ha.. worried now. |
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May 30 2014, 12:56 PM
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Get a reputable product, and a good installer. Don't cheap on product and installation even is for rent. Your tenant is still human being.
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May 30 2014, 01:06 PM
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QUOTE(weikee @ May 30 2014, 12:56 PM) Get a reputable product, and a good installer. Don't cheap on product and installation even is for rent. Your tenant is still human being. i engaged the service of the electrical shop to install for me, their contractor don't even know how to install the latest joven RS model, end up i have to do it myself. |
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May 30 2014, 01:34 PM
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Whatever, water heater is not expensive please don't buy a cheap quality water heater and engage some cheap not trained to install. A good brand is only like RM 150-200 difference. Life is definitely worth more than that. Even is for rented.
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May 30 2014, 01:35 PM
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QUOTE(fkinmeng @ May 30 2014, 01:06 PM) i engaged the service of the electrical shop to install for me, their contractor don't even know how to install the latest joven RS model, end up i have to do it myself. I install all the instant water heater myself, and I can say my quality of work are much better than many contractors. |
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May 30 2014, 02:49 PM
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QUOTE(fkinmeng @ May 30 2014, 01:06 PM) i engaged the service of the electrical shop to install for me, their contractor don't even know how to install the latest joven RS model, end up i have to do it myself. How do tell that your installation is correct and safe? |
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May 30 2014, 03:05 PM
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QUOTE(fkinmeng @ May 30 2014, 09:25 AM) is instant ones that bad? mine storage tank also |
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May 30 2014, 03:05 PM
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QUOTE(ozak @ May 30 2014, 02:49 PM) How do tell that your installation is correct and safe? the fella there looking, he don't know how to fix the rain shower, but wiring he do la. |
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May 31 2014, 12:15 PM
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QUOTE(Ardam @ May 30 2014, 10:55 AM) Ok, let me do some legwork and compare. Please also be aware of whether the product is a "stolen" product. Coz I have some customer who told me that they bought it in a very cheap price, though it's actually a "stolen" product. |
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May 31 2014, 09:11 PM
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I know this questions is pretty general but which shop gives a good competitive price for joven water heater?
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May 31 2014, 10:17 PM
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QUOTE(janson_kaniaz @ May 31 2014, 09:11 PM) I know this questions is pretty general but which shop gives a good competitive price for joven water heater? Most of the dealer offering the price that is around the same. It's the service and the location that is convenient to you. |
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May 31 2014, 10:20 PM
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QUOTE(PSM Home @ May 31 2014, 10:17 PM) Most of the dealer offering the price that is around the same. It's the service and the location that is convenient to you. I'm not sure whether to go for electrical shop or shops in malls like jusco/senq and whether the prices r the same.Also, when they say installation is included, does it mean removing the old one as well? I have an old water heater with the tank being positioned 2 meters from the ground. Do they mind to climb up and remove the old one? This post has been edited by janson_kaniaz: May 31 2014, 11:19 PM |
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Jun 1 2014, 06:40 PM
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does jusco/senq even sell storage heater? i know they sell those instant one tho. and they will get third party installer to attend the installation.
QUOTE(janson_kaniaz @ May 31 2014, 10:20 PM) I'm not sure whether to go for electrical shop or shops in malls like jusco/senq and whether the prices r the same. Also, when they say installation is included, does it mean removing the old one as well? I have an old water heater with the tank being positioned 2 meters from the ground. Do they mind to climb up and remove the old one? |
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QUOTE(janson_kaniaz @ May 31 2014, 10:20 PM) I'm not sure whether to go for electrical shop or shops in malls like jusco/senq and whether the prices r the same. Is only install, no removal of storage. You need to pay the removal. Instant water heater usually they can help remove because is easy job.Also, when they say installation is included, does it mean removing the old one as well? I have an old water heater with the tank being positioned 2 meters from the ground. Do they mind to climb up and remove the old one? |
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Jun 1 2014, 09:14 PM
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QUOTE(weikee @ Jun 1 2014, 08:12 PM) Is only install, no removal of storage. You need to pay the removal. Instant water heater usually they can help remove because is easy job. Any idea how much is the cost of removal? I'm planning to change the tank type to instant type but still they need to help me to remove the old one. I'm afraid there is some drilling and wiring required as well since I don't want the instant panel to be located 2metres from the ground lol |
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QUOTE(janson_kaniaz @ Jun 1 2014, 09:14 PM) Any idea how much is the cost of removal? I'm planning to change the tank type to instant type but still they need to help me to remove the old one. I'm afraid there is some drilling and wiring required as well since I don't want the instant panel to be located 2metres from the ground lol If you have the tank type, you have a mixer right? Why downgrade to Instant? Storage tank are much better and safer too. |
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Jun 2 2014, 10:50 AM
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which brand will u choose between Joven vs. Alpha ?
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Jun 2 2014, 10:56 AM
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QUOTE(weikee @ Jun 2 2014, 08:45 AM) If you have the tank type, you have a mixer right? Why downgrade to Instant? Storage tank are much better and safer too. it's quite old already (10-15yrs). and seems like the water pressure is decreasing over the years. |
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QUOTE(janson_kaniaz @ Jun 2 2014, 10:56 AM) it's quite old already (10-15yrs). and seems like the water pressure is decreasing over the years. Water pressure is incoming problem right? If you spend money to remove, must well spend money to replace it. The amount of money you spend to remove may be only slightly less than installing one. |
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Jun 2 2014, 11:08 AM
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QUOTE(janson_kaniaz @ Jun 2 2014, 10:56 AM) it's quite old already (10-15yrs). and seems like the water pressure is decreasing over the years. Water pressure is decreasing? You might need to call your plumber to climb up and ave a look  Better fix it before it's too late my friend. |
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Jun 2 2014, 11:19 AM
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QUOTE(PSM Home @ Jun 2 2014, 11:08 AM) Water pressure is decreasing? You might need to call your plumber to climb up and ave a look how much to hire plumber to check on the integrity of the water piping? most likely they need to climb up to the water tank at the roof to investigate... Better fix it before it's too late my friend. |
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Jun 2 2014, 11:24 AM
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To disconnect storage heater, you need to also get plumber to disconnect all the old piping. You can't leave the water inside the storage stagnant for too long. The incoming and outgoing piping need to be drain and seal.
There is no free lunch in this world. Ask your friend for any good plumber. Sorry I don't like to recommend / introduce people in forum. Too many problem already. |
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Jun 2 2014, 11:35 AM
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QUOTE(weikee @ Jun 2 2014, 11:24 AM) To disconnect storage heater, you need to also get plumber to disconnect all the old piping. You can't leave the water inside the storage stagnant for too long. The incoming and outgoing piping need to be drain and seal. haha ok will doThere is no free lunch in this world. Ask your friend for any good plumber. Sorry I don't like to recommend / introduce people in forum. Too many problem already. btw, what is the reason the tank type is safer? if switched on and unattended, the temperature will keep rising but i assume there is temperature trip or something. it is also inconvenient as need to wait a few minutes for water to heat up... |
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Jun 3 2014, 09:43 AM
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just realized my joven water heater has a very unique problem where the pump on/off button is missing, even though it's suppose to be there.
joven QC/QA. |
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Jun 3 2014, 10:09 AM
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QUOTE(fkinmeng @ Jun 3 2014, 09:43 AM) just realized my joven water heater has a very unique problem where the pump on/off button is missing, even though it's suppose to be there. Sorry to hear that but seems like you got trolled joven QC/QA. Probably you can take fr an exchange if you've just bought it? |
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Jun 3 2014, 10:40 AM
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QUOTE(PSM Home @ Jun 3 2014, 10:09 AM) Sorry to hear that but seems like you got trolled now waiting for the shop's reply. really hope can exchange. Probably you can take fr an exchange if you've just bought it? |
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Jun 3 2014, 11:55 AM
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Jun 3 2014, 12:07 PM
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QUOTE(chinkw1 @ Jun 3 2014, 11:55 AM) which brand will u choose between Joven vs. Alpha ? It's really up to personal's choice. But speaking about Alpha, we have a good offer coming. |
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QUOTE(fkinmeng @ Jun 3 2014, 10:40 AM) now waiting for the shop's reply. really hope can exchange. I notice the newer WH with build in pump do not have speed control and on/off for pump. Saw few difference model & brands don't have. You may have a old packing, but new design unit. |
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Jun 3 2014, 12:33 PM
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QUOTE(weikee @ Jun 3 2014, 12:25 PM) I notice the newer WH with build in pump do not have speed control and on/off for pump. Saw few difference model & brands don't have. You may have a old packing, but new design unit. i brought 3 sets of the exact same water heater, all dc motor, but 1 of it was with rain shower.the 1 with rain shower didn't come with on/off for pump even though it suppose to, the other 2 have on/off for pump. all 3 however has no speed control. |
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QUOTE(fkinmeng @ Jun 3 2014, 12:33 PM) i brought 3 sets of the exact same water heater, all dc motor, but 1 of it was with rain shower. If they are the same batch this company QC is having big problem.... If difference batch number can be design update. Let see what answer you get from the shop.the 1 with rain shower didn't come with on/off for pump even though it suppose to, the other 2 have on/off for pump. all 3 however has no speed control. This post has been edited by weikee: Jun 3 2014, 02:36 PM |
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Jun 4 2014, 08:43 AM
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QUOTE(weikee @ Jun 3 2014, 02:36 PM) If they are the same batch this company QC is having big problem.... If difference batch number can be design update. Let see what answer you get from the shop. after some check, it seems that the on/off for pump is there, just that they used the wrong sticker for it.after pressing hardly for a few times at the "estimated" place for the on/off for pump, it finally worked, but felt that it was slightly noisier than the rest, maybe just paranoid. disappointed with joven now. |
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QUOTE(fkinmeng @ Jun 4 2014, 08:43 AM) after some check, it seems that the on/off for pump is there, just that they used the wrong sticker for it. Why you need a ON/OFF switch for a pump? Since you decide that the pressure is not enough and require a pump in the heater.after pressing hardly for a few times at the "estimated" place for the on/off for pump, it finally worked, but felt that it was slightly noisier than the rest, maybe just paranoid. disappointed with joven now. |
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Jun 4 2014, 09:20 AM
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QUOTE(ozak @ Jun 4 2014, 09:10 AM) Why you need a ON/OFF switch for a pump? Since you decide that the pressure is not enough and require a pump in the heater. the problem is, when i first turn on the water heater, the pump was off, hence i need the switch to turn on the pump.yes it's that bad. |
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Jun 4 2014, 09:23 AM
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Any idea what are the differences between AC and DC pump apart from noises?
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QUOTE(fkinmeng @ Jun 4 2014, 09:20 AM) the problem is, when i first turn on the water heater, the pump was off, hence i need the switch to turn on the pump. So you buying the heater but wrong label with the pump knob. Not that you want a ON/OFF switch for a heater.yes it's that bad. |
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QUOTE(Wolger @ Jun 4 2014, 09:23 AM) Any idea what are the differences between AC and DC pump apart from noises? Hi, you can refer to post #419Aside from the noise, Dc pump will cost more but it gives 5years warranty, and it saves more electricity. Whereas ac pump only give 1year warranty, and cheaper compared to dc pump. |
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Jun 4 2014, 09:26 AM
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QUOTE(ozak @ Jun 4 2014, 09:24 AM) So you buying the heater but wrong label with the pump knob. Not that you want a ON/OFF switch for a heater. for joven dc pump, it seems that all come with the on/off switch for pump, but yeah, mine came with an additional wrong label. |
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QUOTE(fkinmeng @ Jun 4 2014, 09:26 AM) for joven dc pump, it seems that all come with the on/off switch for pump, but yeah, mine came with an additional wrong label. Cause I found out that the switch is useless. My heater also have a switch for the pump. But many yrs use, never off before. Cause the water pressure is always low. |
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Jun 4 2014, 09:47 AM
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QUOTE(ozak @ Jun 4 2014, 09:38 AM) Cause I found out that the switch is useless. My heater also have a switch for the pump. But many yrs use, never off before. Cause the water pressure is always low. Same goes to mine. I thought my heater got problem when I first bought it (2 years ago). The button just doesn't seem taking any effect. And when I asked the sales person in the showroom i'm working here regarding the low water pressure, they told me that the reason water pressure is low is most likely caused by the water pump that I had... |
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QUOTE(jagadis @ May 29 2014, 03:33 PM) I have 3 units of Rubine water heater (built-in ac pump) bought on January. 1 in the ground floor bathroom and the other 2 in the first floor bathrooms. Anyone can guide?They were all running fine until the water disruption started in Selangor. One of the 1st floor unit doesn't function well anymore. When I turn it On and use, the pump sounds very weak and it dies off after a while leaving the water pressure extremely slow. But funnily, the water pressure is like normal from the taps in the same bathroom. The other 2 units are working fine. Is the problem with my piping or water heater? |
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Jun 5 2014, 09:56 AM
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For highrise unit of 27 floors, is it necessary to buy heater with pump for unit at level 2 or 3?
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Jun 9 2014, 11:22 AM
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DC or AC is good?
planning to get Beebest.. this brand is the cheapest with rain shower. |
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Jun 9 2014, 01:11 PM
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QUOTE(fnm83 @ Jun 9 2014, 11:22 AM) DC or AC is good? DC better but cost more.planning to get Beebest.. this brand is the cheapest with rain shower. |
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Jun 9 2014, 01:32 PM
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QUOTE(fkinmeng @ Jun 9 2014, 01:11 PM) DC better but cost more. why DC is better?what about electricity consumption? DC better or AC better? |
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Jun 9 2014, 02:05 PM
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QUOTE(fnm83 @ Jun 9 2014, 01:32 PM) why DC is better? DC pump last longer, less noise.what about electricity consumption? DC better or AC better? DC consume less electricity. |
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Jun 9 2014, 02:15 PM
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QUOTE(fkinmeng @ Jun 9 2014, 02:05 PM) DC pump last longer, less noise. You forget to add AC to DC conversion, this also will generate noise, added complexity of the circuits making it another potential problem.DC consume less electricity. |
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Jun 9 2014, 02:30 PM
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Noise as in electrical noise.
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Jun 9 2014, 02:44 PM
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QUOTE(weikee @ Jun 9 2014, 02:30 PM) Noise as in electrical noise. so it is just good enough if i am getting AC water heater.another question, for a water heater that have built in pump, is that possible to turn off water heater function (sometimes, its good to shower in a cold water especially El-Nino is coming soon) and turn on the pump only? |
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Jun 9 2014, 03:10 PM
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QUOTE(fnm83 @ Jun 9 2014, 02:44 PM) so it is just good enough if i am getting AC water heater. So far 3 units of build in pump I used all allow pump to run while the heating element is switch off. The newer Joven Instant water heater I am using now don't allow the pump to be switch on/off and can't control pump speed.another question, for a water heater that have built in pump, is that possible to turn off water heater function (sometimes, its good to shower in a cold water especially El-Nino is coming soon) and turn on the pump only? |
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Jun 9 2014, 03:15 PM
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QUOTE(weikee @ Jun 9 2014, 03:10 PM) So far 3 units of build in pump I used all allow pump to run while the heating element is switch off. The newer Joven Instant water heater I am using now don't allow the pump to be switch on/off and can't control pump speed. what brand are u using now?would you mind to recommend your water heater installer? been reading about wiring all stuff so need the one that really know what they are doing. |
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Jun 9 2014, 04:06 PM
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QUOTE(fnm83 @ Jun 9 2014, 03:15 PM) what brand are u using now? Latest is using Joven. Previous two model was Centon. This water heater with build in pump really not lasting. At most I use the first generation Centon for 5 years. would you mind to recommend your water heater installer? been reading about wiring all stuff so need the one that really know what they are doing. I install myself. |
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Jun 9 2014, 04:52 PM
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QUOTE(fnm83 @ Jun 9 2014, 02:44 PM) so it is just good enough if i am getting AC water heater. Back to the AC/DC topic, aside from the noise, Dc pump will cost more but it gives 5years warranty, and it saves more electricity. Whereas ac pump only give 1year warranty, and cheaper compared to dc pump.another question, for a water heater that have built in pump, is that possible to turn off water heater function (sometimes, its good to shower in a cold water especially El-Nino is coming soon) and turn on the pump only? To be honest, if you feel that your house's water pump is strong enough then you can switch off the built-in pump from the heater, as the built-in only helps a bit |
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Jun 11 2014, 11:36 PM
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can i know wat brand water heater can save on electricity and more safety
and also very quite or less noise. ??? and also wat is pump or without pump??? This post has been edited by mustmust009: Jun 11 2014, 11:40 PM |
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Jun 12 2014, 12:39 AM
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QUOTE(mustmust009 @ Jun 11 2014, 11:36 PM) can i know wat brand water heater can save on electricity and more safety Heating element is still operate the same since the first come into marker. All the same. and also very quite or less noise. ??? and also wat is pump or without pump??? Want more efficient use Gas heater. For more budget get Solar, but ROI is close to 0% |
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Jun 12 2014, 09:20 AM
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There are some AC that can reclaim back the heat exhausted to heat water. There are M&E exhibition at KLCC (today is last day), some brands are showcasing their stuff there.
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Jun 12 2014, 09:31 AM
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QUOTE(tohtiengchiah @ Jun 12 2014, 09:20 AM) There are some AC that can reclaim back the heat exhausted to heat water. There are M&E exhibition at KLCC (today is last day), some brands are showcasing their stuff there. This concept is been around for many years. Singapore promoting it very aggressive and die off. There are some challenges in the technical issue. One I remember was the piping that complicate things and cost. Another is when A/C running it for long hours after heated up the all water what happen? Cold the water? If they already address the earlier challenge and price are reasonable it will be a good future use. |
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Jun 15 2014, 09:57 AM
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Is Milux Water Heater is a good brand? How's tje performance looks like?
Saw one on offer with Rain Shower set only RM588 (DC Pump) |
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Jun 15 2014, 11:26 AM
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Is Alpha IM9 good???
AC pump with control for pump. Heard the sales person say AC pump stronger compared to DC pump. Still not sure to get DC or AC? |
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Jun 16 2014, 08:46 AM
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Hi all,
I just installed 3 units of Joven water heater with pam together with Deka rainshower sets in 3 bathroom upstairs. I noticed the water coming out from the rainshower is not as expected. Anyone has any suggestion to rectify the problem? Thanking in advance.... |
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Jun 16 2014, 09:03 AM
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QUOTE(vjeyamahla @ Jun 16 2014, 08:46 AM) Hi all, can clarify what do you mean by "not a expected" please, tqI just installed 3 units of Joven water heater with pam together with Deka rainshower sets in 3 bathroom upstairs. I noticed the water coming out from the rainshower is not as expected. Anyone has any suggestion to rectify the problem? Thanking in advance.... |
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Jun 16 2014, 09:06 AM
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QUOTE(vjeyamahla @ Jun 16 2014, 08:46 AM) Hi all, Expected to be slow flow, because the flow rate are low. If you need higher flow rate it need external pump, or your water heater installed in ground floor. Than again with good flow rate you will have problem with warming the water especially in rainy day. I just installed 3 units of Joven water heater with pam together with Deka rainshower sets in 3 bathroom upstairs. I noticed the water coming out from the rainshower is not as expected. Anyone has any suggestion to rectify the problem? Thanking in advance.... To really enjoy hot water rain shower, is either storage heated, Solar, Gas, or high power instant water heater. |
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Jun 16 2014, 01:29 PM
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QUOTE(weikee @ Jun 16 2014, 09:06 AM) Expected to be slow flow, because the flow rate are low. If you need higher flow rate it need external pump, or your water heater installed in ground floor. Than again with good flow rate you will have problem with warming the water especially in rainy day. Thanks, weikee...Would installing an external pump help? What type, DC or AC ? Where to install, inlet or outlet? Sorry for asking... Newbie at this. Any information would greatly be appreaciated...To really enjoy hot water rain shower, is either storage heated, Solar, Gas, or high power instant water heater. |
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