Welcome Guest ( Log In | Register )

 
RSS feedBump TopicReply to this topicStart new topicStart Poll

Outline · [ Standard ] · Linear+

> water heater, price and quality

damario1928
post Nov 13 2011, 05:00 PM


New Member
*
Group: Junior Member
Posts: 12

Joined: Dec 2010
Looking for water heater
Any recommendation guys?
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
kelvyn
post Nov 13 2011, 06:12 PM


Look at all my stars!!
*******
Group: Senior Member
Posts: 3,094

Joined: May 2007
Look for our famous zheilwane tongue.gif
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
DarkTemplar
post Nov 14 2011, 12:48 AM


Getting Started
**
Group: Junior Member
Posts: 62

Joined: Mar 2010


joven?

User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
chun8692003
post Nov 14 2011, 12:57 AM


New Member
*
Group: Junior Member
Posts: 19

Joined: Jul 2011
try to find at senheng, last time i saw the price RM500++, including with installation, panasonic brand with jet pump...

User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
lazzy_dogg
post Nov 14 2011, 01:12 AM


Enthusiast
*****
Group: Senior Member
Posts: 832

Joined: Oct 2004
From: K.Lumpur, Subang



what kinda water heater u wanna get? if its instant water heater... just find zheilwane.... so far his price has been always on par/better with all the fairs whole year round.... no need to wait for any home dec or expo if he has the stuffs you want....
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
kelvyn
post Nov 14 2011, 09:15 AM


Look at all my stars!!
*******
Group: Senior Member
Posts: 3,094

Joined: May 2007
whether it is instant or storage water heaters, I have been using Joven for so many years. No problem at all & reliable.
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
leeyung
post Nov 15 2011, 06:23 AM


1st LYN Pioneer Genuine Marimo Seller
*****
Group: Senior Member
Posts: 885

Joined: Sep 2008

yeah, find zheilwane, best of the best price ever, I go for Joven i70P, get it from zheilwane at good price brows.gif
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
zheilwane
post Nov 15 2011, 06:26 AM


Regular
******
Group: Senior Member
Posts: 1,733

Joined: Jan 2008
kekek thanks leeyung, kelvyn & lazzy_dogg. So far, joven has been quite reliable and good after sales service.

For more info & promotions, just join us in facebook
http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001245528914

My showroom is in Kepong
http://maps.google.com.my/maps?q=3.211593,...psrc=6&t=m&z=18
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
kucingfight
post Nov 15 2011, 08:57 AM


I Want My B00bs back!!
Group Icon
Overclockers United
Group: Elite
Posts: 4,956

Joined: Jan 2003
From: Sitiawan / Shah Alam / Putra Heights /



how about basic panasonic water heaters?
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
metalbod
post Nov 15 2011, 11:21 AM


New Member
*
Group: Junior Member
Posts: 32

Joined: Sep 2008
QUOTE(kucingfight @ Nov 15 2011, 08:57 AM)
how about basic panasonic water heaters?
*
just bought 2 pana DH-3HS2 last night. (simple, no pump type) not installed yet. the long slim dimension.

been using pana all these yrs. no prob also. hopefully these new ones don't disappoint too. hehehe
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
torkl
post Nov 15 2011, 08:27 PM


Getting Started
**
Group: Junior Member
Posts: 187

Joined: Aug 2011
I am using Joven 880P and must say that it is the most disappointing water heater I have ever used. Extremely noisy and cold.
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
tiensong
post Nov 16 2011, 09:37 AM


Regular
******
Group: Senior Member
Posts: 1,010

Joined: Jul 2011
how about alpha series? anyone pls comment...thanks
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
leeyung
post Nov 16 2011, 10:31 AM


1st LYN Pioneer Genuine Marimo Seller
*****
Group: Senior Member
Posts: 885

Joined: Sep 2008

QUOTE(torkl @ Nov 15 2011, 08:27 PM)
I am using Joven 880P and must say that it is the most disappointing water heater I have ever used. Extremely noisy and cold.
*
I heard about the similar issue for the 880P too, I havent install my i70P yet, but from reviews over this forum, it seems to be not bad smile.gif
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
tiensong
post Nov 16 2011, 11:16 AM


Regular
******
Group: Senior Member
Posts: 1,010

Joined: Jul 2011
QUOTE(leeyung @ Nov 16 2011, 10:31 AM)
I heard about the similar issue for the 880P too, I havent install my i70P yet, but from reviews over this forum, it seems to be not bad smile.gif
*
i70p is using silent pump and the price is much more expensive than 880p...so, it can be said is different product.....
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
jeff_v2
post Nov 16 2011, 11:57 AM


Enthusiast
*****
Group: Senior Member
Posts: 958

Joined: Mar 2008


what is the average cost to install a water heater?
been quote around 200, izit normal?
tqtq
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
Eng_Tat
post Nov 16 2011, 11:59 AM


Regular
******
Group: Senior Member
Posts: 1,916

Joined: Nov 2007
From: Bdr Seri Alam,Johor.Kota Bharu,Kelantan.


is that with power point? mine is rm60 or rm80 if not mistaken but already got power point


QUOTE(jeff_v2 @ Nov 16 2011, 11:57 AM)
what is the average cost to install a water heater?
been quote around 200, izit normal?
tqtq
*
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
leeyung
post Nov 16 2011, 12:04 PM


1st LYN Pioneer Genuine Marimo Seller
*****
Group: Senior Member
Posts: 885

Joined: Sep 2008

QUOTE(Eng_Tat @ Nov 16 2011, 11:59 AM)
is that with power point? mine is rm60 or rm80 if not mistaken but already got power point
*
Only Power Point RM180-RM220, installation additional charges, my wireman install it for me FOC biggrin.gif
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
Eng_Tat
post Nov 16 2011, 12:17 PM


Regular
******
Group: Senior Member
Posts: 1,916

Joined: Nov 2007
From: Bdr Seri Alam,Johor.Kota Bharu,Kelantan.


QUOTE(leeyung @ Nov 16 2011, 12:04 PM)
Only Power Point RM180-RM220, installation additional charges, my wireman install it for me FOC biggrin.gif
*
ic, that power point is conceal or pvc?
last time mine in apt fix 2(2.5mm wires) wh point and 4(4mm) aircond point non conceal/used pvc cover my wireman charge me lumpsum rm550 but this is early 2009 la. yes somtimes wireman will install for free, but piping kena provide sendiri lo.
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
leeyung
post Nov 16 2011, 12:32 PM


1st LYN Pioneer Genuine Marimo Seller
*****
Group: Senior Member
Posts: 885

Joined: Sep 2008

QUOTE(Eng_Tat @ Nov 16 2011, 12:17 PM)
ic, that power point is conceal or pvc?
last time mine in apt fix 2(2.5mm wires) wh point and 4(4mm) aircond point non conceal/used pvc cover my wireman charge me lumpsum rm550 but this is early 2009 la. yes somtimes wireman will install for free, but piping kena provide sendiri lo.
*
mine one is concealed biggrin.gif, btw the 4mm is the recommended for aircon? 550 quite cheap, cuz aircon and water heater the point almost same price
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
weikee
post Nov 16 2011, 01:44 PM


Look at all my stars!!
*******
Group: Senior Member
Posts: 7,373

Joined: Jan 2003
4mm2, that can power over 30Amps of equipment.
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
leeyung
post Nov 16 2011, 02:28 PM


1st LYN Pioneer Genuine Marimo Seller
*****
Group: Senior Member
Posts: 885

Joined: Sep 2008

QUOTE(weikee @ Nov 16 2011, 01:44 PM)
4mm2, that can power over 30Amps of equipment.
*
ic, any references for Amp vs thickness wire? I search around, found AWG (American Wire Gauge) shakehead.gif I roughly calculate, a 2HP aircon 5.4KW

said it is single phase 5400/240 = 22.5A, means I have to go for 4mm at least? 2.5 mm cant?

This post has been edited by leeyung: Nov 16 2011, 02:41 PM
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
Eng_Tat
post Nov 16 2011, 03:07 PM


Regular
******
Group: Senior Member
Posts: 1,916

Joined: Nov 2007
From: Bdr Seri Alam,Johor.Kota Bharu,Kelantan.


generally rating for 2.5mm is around 15A and 4mm is around 25A @240volt rite?
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
netcrawler
post Nov 16 2011, 11:45 PM


Enthusiast
*****
Group: Senior Member
Posts: 986

Joined: Jan 2005
From: Seri Kembangan


QUOTE(leeyung @ Nov 16 2011, 10:31 AM)
I heard about the similar issue for the 880P too, I havent install my i70P yet, but from reviews over this forum, it seems to be not bad smile.gif
*
Joven i70 is good. Have been using for sometime and i'm quit satisfy wit it.
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
fast_coder
post Nov 17 2011, 01:49 AM


Getting Started
**
Group: Junior Member
Posts: 58

Joined: Sep 2011
anybody bought the new alpha smart series 18e that comes with a dc pump and rain shower?

the design looks good, but the rain shower is a bit small..

i am interested to know if the silent pump is "really" silent pump..



This post has been edited by fast_coder: Nov 17 2011, 01:51 AM
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
weikee
post Nov 17 2011, 03:03 AM


Look at all my stars!!
*******
Group: Senior Member
Posts: 7,373

Joined: Jan 2003
QUOTE(leeyung @ Nov 16 2011, 02:28 PM)
ic, any references for Amp vs thickness wire? I search around, found AWG (American Wire Gauge)  shakehead.gif I roughly calculate, a 2HP aircon 5.4KW

said it is single phase 5400/240 = 22.5A, means I have to go for 4mm at least? 2.5 mm cant?
*
2hp don't drain to much current. The number you got is cooling capacity. Not current. 2HP should be less than 2Kw. Please check the current or power input. Is about 10 amp the most.


Added on November 17, 2011, 3:04 am
QUOTE(Eng_Tat @ Nov 16 2011, 03:07 PM)
generally rating for 2.5mm is around 15A and 4mm is around 25A @240volt rite?
*
Depend the length, and also if its expose or conceal. Usually conceal will be less current cause less cooling. But that number is about right. Can still stress a bit more if length are not too long and expose.

This post has been edited by weikee: Nov 17 2011, 03:04 AM
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
leeyung
post Nov 17 2011, 07:09 AM


1st LYN Pioneer Genuine Marimo Seller
*****
Group: Senior Member
Posts: 885

Joined: Sep 2008

QUOTE(weikee @ Nov 17 2011, 03:03 AM)
2hp don't drain to much current. The number you got is cooling capacity. Not current. 2HP should be less than 2Kw. Please check the current or power input. Is about 10 amp the most.


Added on November 17, 2011, 3:04 am

Depend the length, and also if its expose or conceal. Usually conceal will be less current cause less cooling. But that number is about right. Can still stress a bit more if length are not too long and expose.
*
Herm, the KW I found from 2HP Aircon is as below

http://www.panasonic.com.my/wps/portal/hom...MKHCUC18MKH20HP

The Panasonic Non Inverter 2HP deluxe

Under the spec, it is 5.40 kW hmm.gif
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
skng03
post Nov 17 2011, 08:06 AM


Regular
******
Group: Senior Member
Posts: 1,449

Joined: Oct 2008


QUOTE(leeyung @ Nov 17 2011, 07:09 AM)
Herm, the KW I found from 2HP Aircon is as below

http://www.panasonic.com.my/wps/portal/hom...MKHCUC18MKH20HP

The Panasonic Non Inverter 2HP deluxe

Under the spec, it is 5.40 kW  hmm.gif
*
u scroll down the spec page, u'll see this...



Electricity
Rated Voltage 230V
Running Current 8.4A
Power Input 1,800W

biggrin.gif
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
weikee
post Nov 17 2011, 09:07 AM


Look at all my stars!!
*******
Group: Senior Member
Posts: 7,373

Joined: Jan 2003
1HP is 0.735 KW (electrical motor), I'll add 30% for losses. so 2hp = 2x 0.735 + 30%
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
Eng_Tat
post Nov 17 2011, 10:26 AM


Regular
******
Group: Senior Member
Posts: 1,916

Joined: Nov 2007
From: Bdr Seri Alam,Johor.Kota Bharu,Kelantan.


wei kee, do you know the normal pvc pipe can fit hw many 4mm wires?
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
weikee
post Nov 17 2011, 10:45 AM


Look at all my stars!!
*******
Group: Senior Member
Posts: 7,373

Joined: Jan 2003
QUOTE(Eng_Tat @ Nov 17 2011, 10:26 AM)
wei kee, do you know the normal pvc pipe can fit hw many 4mm wires?
*
Don't know, minimal should be 3. You can check in electrical shop. white pvc have few size.
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
amirsubhi
post Nov 17 2011, 10:51 AM


The Power Is IN Your Hand!
******
Group: Senior Member
Posts: 1,203

Joined: Apr 2005
From: SumwHeRe In MaLaYsIa



i confuse, at first was talking about water heater, then suddenly aircond

lol

anwyay, how about power consumption for water heater,how high it will be
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
leeyung
post Nov 17 2011, 11:28 AM


1st LYN Pioneer Genuine Marimo Seller
*****
Group: Senior Member
Posts: 885

Joined: Sep 2008

QUOTE(skng03 @ Nov 17 2011, 08:06 AM)
u scroll down the spec page, u'll see this...
Electricity
Rated Voltage  230V
Running Current  8.4A
Power Input  1,800W

biggrin.gif
*
Woops, sorry for my aging eyes, but was wondering why the current not tally with the power one hmm.gif

QUOTE(weikee @ Nov 17 2011, 09:07 AM)
1HP is 0.735 KW (electrical motor), I'll add 30% for losses. so 2hp = 2x 0.735 + 30%
*
Ya, that is the way I calculate, but duno how pana come out with the 5.4kW LoL

QUOTE(Eng_Tat @ Nov 17 2011, 10:26 AM)
wei kee, do you know the normal pvc pipe can fit hw many 4mm wires?
*
my wireman using 4cm PVC pipe, I saw can fit 8 X 2.5mm wires

QUOTE(amirsubhi @ Nov 17 2011, 10:51 AM)
i confuse, at first was talking about water heater, then suddenly aircond

lol

anwyay, how about power consumption for water heater,how high it will be
*
Haha, sorry, I think i m the one who caused the off topic, btw water heater required 15A cable as typically instant water heater is about 3600Watt (3.6kW)
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
luvimp
post Nov 17 2011, 11:32 AM


Getting Started
**
Group: Junior Member
Posts: 189

Joined: Jul 2008


I am using Alpha. Very good. Has been using same brand for more than 10 yrs+ but lately it spoilt so i bought new Alpha. Design is good too.
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
leeyung
post Nov 17 2011, 11:36 AM


1st LYN Pioneer Genuine Marimo Seller
*****
Group: Senior Member
Posts: 885

Joined: Sep 2008

QUOTE(luvimp @ Nov 17 2011, 11:32 AM)
I am using Alpha. Very good. Has been using same brand for more than 10 yrs+ but lately it spoilt so i bought new Alpha. Design is good too.
*
what is the specific model of Alpha you are using? I saw the one with Rain Shower, pretty cool but too small for the shower head sad.gif
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
luvimp
post Nov 17 2011, 11:48 AM


Getting Started
**
Group: Junior Member
Posts: 189

Joined: Jul 2008


QUOTE(leeyung @ Nov 17 2011, 11:36 AM)
what is the specific model of Alpha you are using? I saw the one with Rain Shower, pretty cool but too small for the shower head sad.gif
*
I am using the instant shower heater, SMART series 18EP.
The shower head is big and i find it too heavy to hold for long. biggrin.gif

Also, water strength increase slightly with the help of pump but surely it is much noisy.
But i find it good to be noisy as ppl at outside maybe cant hear that i am singing while taking my shower. laugh.gif
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
weikee
post Nov 17 2011, 12:23 PM


Look at all my stars!!
*******
Group: Senior Member
Posts: 7,373

Joined: Jan 2003
QUOTE(amirsubhi @ Nov 17 2011, 10:51 AM)
i confuse, at first was talking about water heater, then suddenly aircond

lol

anwyay, how about power consumption for water heater,how high it will be
*
Depend,

Instant water heater go from 100watt to 3600 watt cause you can adjust the heating element.

Storage water heater 3000 Watt (Joven).

Solar Power also need power, this you need to check the spec.


Added on November 17, 2011, 12:25 pm
QUOTE(leeyung @ Nov 17 2011, 11:28 AM)
Woops, sorry for my aging eyes, but was wondering why the current not tally with the power one  hmm.gif
*
Because of losses.

This post has been edited by weikee: Nov 17 2011, 12:25 PM
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
Eng_Tat
post Nov 17 2011, 04:29 PM


Regular
******
Group: Senior Member
Posts: 1,916

Joined: Nov 2007
From: Bdr Seri Alam,Johor.Kota Bharu,Kelantan.


i am using beebest sp2. but one thing i do notice after prolong used the 2.5mm wires gets warm. if you guys doing wiring i suggest go used 4mm.
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
leeyung
post Nov 20 2011, 11:09 AM


1st LYN Pioneer Genuine Marimo Seller
*****
Group: Senior Member
Posts: 885

Joined: Sep 2008

QUOTE(weikee @ Nov 17 2011, 12:23 PM)

Because of losses.
*
icic

QUOTE(Eng_Tat @ Nov 17 2011, 04:29 PM)
i am using beebest sp2. but one thing i do notice after prolong used the 2.5mm wires gets warm. if you guys doing wiring i suggest go used 4mm.
*
Your wiring is not concealed? How "long" is the prolong used? My friends told me beebest also quite silent if compared to Alpha
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
cenglee
post Nov 20 2011, 05:58 PM


Getting Started
**
Group: Junior Member
Posts: 64

Joined: Sep 2009


QUOTE(fast_coder @ Nov 17 2011, 01:49 AM)
anybody bought the new alpha smart series 18e that comes with a dc pump and rain shower?

the design looks good, but the rain shower is a bit small..

i am interested to know if the silent pump is "really" silent pump..
*
I just bought a new alpha smart series 18i with DC pump today but still waiting for stock coming. Hope that it wont disappointed me......
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
Eng_Tat
post Nov 20 2011, 08:48 PM


Regular
******
Group: Senior Member
Posts: 1,916

Joined: Nov 2007
From: Bdr Seri Alam,Johor.Kota Bharu,Kelantan.


the wiring is inside the pvc case. i guess >30min of continuous usage. i am using silent pump version, not so noisy and the pressure is better then euro uno.

QUOTE(leeyung @ Nov 20 2011, 11:09 AM)
icic
Your wiring is not concealed? How "long" is the prolong used? My friends told me beebest also quite silent if compared to Alpha
*
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
leeyung
post Nov 20 2011, 08:50 PM


1st LYN Pioneer Genuine Marimo Seller
*****
Group: Senior Member
Posts: 885

Joined: Sep 2008

QUOTE(Eng_Tat @ Nov 20 2011, 08:48 PM)
the wiring is inside the pvc case. i guess >30min of continuous usage. i am using silent pump version, not so noisy and the pressure is better then euro uno.
*
wow, means the exposed PVC after 30 mins of usage, u touch on it you can feel it is warm?
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
Eng_Tat
post Nov 20 2011, 09:55 PM


Regular
******
Group: Senior Member
Posts: 1,916

Joined: Nov 2007
From: Bdr Seri Alam,Johor.Kota Bharu,Kelantan.


actually i open up the case and touch the wire. i was doing some things in the another end at mcb. can feel the wire is warm.

QUOTE(leeyung @ Nov 20 2011, 08:50 PM)
wow, means the exposed PVC after 30 mins of usage, u touch on it you can feel it is warm?
*
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
leeyung
post Nov 20 2011, 10:45 PM


1st LYN Pioneer Genuine Marimo Seller
*****
Group: Senior Member
Posts: 885

Joined: Sep 2008

QUOTE(Eng_Tat @ Nov 20 2011, 09:55 PM)
actually i open up the case and touch the wire. i was doing some things in the another end at mcb. can feel the wire is warm.
*
I see, I tot you can feel the PVC is warm brows.gif btw is warm and not really hot right?
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
weikee
post Nov 20 2011, 11:23 PM


Look at all my stars!!
*******
Group: Senior Member
Posts: 7,373

Joined: Jan 2003
If you set max temperature, his high current it sure generate some heat. If is just warm and with good quality cable you don't have to worry much. If lousy quality cable, longer you use it will turn brittle and copper will oxidized.

Don't use 100%, 80% of setting, and reduce pump speed.
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
Eng_Tat
post Nov 21 2011, 09:35 AM


Regular
******
Group: Senior Member
Posts: 1,916

Joined: Nov 2007
From: Bdr Seri Alam,Johor.Kota Bharu,Kelantan.


Yeah its just warm. the setting of pump is full speed and heat is around 70%-80%. I am also using wire approved by sirim. Any way shud have gone with 4mm wires next time.
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
weikee
post Nov 21 2011, 11:01 AM


Look at all my stars!!
*******
Group: Senior Member
Posts: 7,373

Joined: Jan 2003
QUOTE(Eng_Tat @ Nov 21 2011, 09:35 AM)
Yeah its just warm. the setting of pump is full speed and heat is around 70%-80%. I am also using wire approved by sirim. Any way shud have gone with 4mm wires next time.
*
Reduce pump speed, and set to 60%.
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
Eng_Tat
post Nov 21 2011, 02:34 PM


Regular
******
Group: Senior Member
Posts: 1,916

Joined: Nov 2007
From: Bdr Seri Alam,Johor.Kota Bharu,Kelantan.


bro, tak shiok la if pressure not enuff nod.gif i think next year my new home maybe opt for centralise pump with normal wh combo.


QUOTE(weikee @ Nov 21 2011, 11:01 AM)
Reduce pump speed, and set to 60%.
*
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
eastern
post Nov 21 2011, 02:35 PM


Getting Started
**
Group: Junior Member
Posts: 151

Joined: Oct 2008
From: Land of Gama


Any experience in Electrolux water heaters? I can't quite remember the model name but it's the slim type.

Do share if any of you have the experience of using it. Thank you.
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
noien
post Nov 22 2011, 12:47 PM


Getting Started
******
Group: Senior Member
Posts: 1,675

Joined: Jan 2008
joven after sales is just facepalm
keep giving excuse as they don wan to have a site visit
they say that i need to turn the heat temperature till more than half to feel the slight heat of the heater.really wtf
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
weikee
post Nov 22 2011, 01:02 PM


Look at all my stars!!
*******
Group: Senior Member
Posts: 7,373

Joined: Jan 2003
It all depend of the water temperature and flow. 99& of the market instant water heater use heating element which is very reliable. If water flow too fast you won't get hot water. If water too cold you don't too. Got to play around with water pressure.
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
ozak
post Nov 22 2011, 01:10 PM


Look at all my stars!!
*******
Group: Senior Member
Posts: 6,735

Joined: Jan 2005


Some maker claim like have temperature control or electronic temperature sensor that can adjust the temperature regardless pressure fluctuates.

Does this work?
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
noien
post Nov 22 2011, 02:10 PM


Getting Started
******
Group: Senior Member
Posts: 1,675

Joined: Jan 2008
QUOTE(weikee @ Nov 22 2011, 01:02 PM)
It all depend of the water temperature and flow. 99& of the market instant water heater use heating element which is very reliable. If water flow too fast you won't get hot water. If water too cold you don't too. Got to play around with water pressure.
*
but i got 5unit in the same house .3 on the same floor.
i did turn on the temperature till the max and the water is still cold
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
kucingfight
post Nov 26 2011, 09:34 PM


I Want My B00bs back!!
Group Icon
Overclockers United
Group: Elite
Posts: 4,956

Joined: Jan 2003
From: Sitiawan / Shah Alam / Putra Heights /



bought 4x basic panasonic 3JL1. rm235 each

This post has been edited by kucingfight: Nov 26 2011, 09:34 PM
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
metalbod
post Nov 27 2011, 12:17 AM


New Member
*
Group: Junior Member
Posts: 32

Joined: Sep 2008
QUOTE(kucingfight @ Nov 26 2011, 09:34 PM)
bought 4x basic panasonic 3JL1. rm235 each
*
ai kucingfight. u shud've asked me abt panasonic water heaters. hehehe... me went shopping ard like crazy for pana, so i got some pricing for diff shops. 3JL1 i got lowest is rm228 from online shop jXXtXX. 3JL1 is the light shower head kind right?
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
kucingfight
post Nov 27 2011, 04:56 AM


I Want My B00bs back!!
Group Icon
Overclockers United
Group: Elite
Posts: 4,956

Joined: Jan 2003
From: Sitiawan / Shah Alam / Putra Heights /



QUOTE(metalbod @ Nov 27 2011, 12:17 AM)
ai kucingfight. u shud've asked me abt panasonic water heaters. hehehe... me went shopping ard like crazy for pana, so i got some pricing for diff shops.  3JL1 i got lowest is rm228 from online shop jXXtXX.  3JL1 is the light shower head kind right?
*
oh damn..yeah 3JL1 is the most basic..mm i tot i got it cheaper than jintex when checked online..is rm228 cheapest? i din do any price comparison as was tired after whole day of shopping
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
JinXXX
post Nov 27 2011, 11:02 AM


Look at all my stars!!
*******
Group: Senior Member
Posts: 2,335

Joined: Feb 2007
From: Uarla Umpur



QUOTE(ozak @ Nov 22 2011, 01:10 PM)
Some maker claim like have temperature control or electronic temperature sensor that can adjust the temperature regardless pressure fluctuates.

Does this work?
*
yeah i want to know abt this too..
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
NelsonBoy
post Nov 27 2011, 08:35 PM


l Audio Paradise l
******
Group: Senior Member
Posts: 1,024

Joined: May 2006
From: Klang, Serdang, Seri Kembangan,Cheras



i am using joven 830i

with pump rm395 cash n carry from ELK

sooooooooo good but pump abit noisy...hehehe
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
Jo_da48
post Nov 27 2011, 08:46 PM


Regular
******
Group: Senior Member
Posts: 1,341

Joined: Feb 2011
From: PJ


QUOTE(NelsonBoy @ Nov 27 2011, 08:35 PM)
i am using joven 830i

with pump rm395 cash n carry from ELK

sooooooooo good but pump abit noisy...hehehe
*
If you water pressure is good than just off the pump lal...else just have to go alone with the stupid sound... wub.gif
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
leeyung
post Nov 27 2011, 10:52 PM


1st LYN Pioneer Genuine Marimo Seller
*****
Group: Senior Member
Posts: 885

Joined: Sep 2008

QUOTE(Jo_da48 @ Nov 27 2011, 08:46 PM)
If you water pressure is good than just off the pump lal...else just have to go alone with the stupid sound... wub.gif
*
haha not cutting tree then ok d biggrin.gif
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
windwong
post Dec 3 2011, 09:36 PM


Getting Started
**
Group: Junior Member
Posts: 175

Joined: Nov 2008


Hi, anyone here has experience with storage heater? what brand and how many litres needed for a house of 4 ppl?
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
zheilwane
post Dec 5 2011, 12:07 AM


Regular
******
Group: Senior Member
Posts: 1,733

Joined: Jan 2008
QUOTE(noien @ Dec 4 2011, 10:53 PM)
nod.gif
but dono about alpha dc and panasonic dc
*
Hw good is alpha and panasonic? At least Joven I70P is proven to b silent and good, supported by videos that i posted and also from LYN members feedback.

User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
Life_House
post Dec 5 2011, 12:27 AM


Getting Started
**
Group: Junior Member
Posts: 223

Joined: Sep 2008
QUOTE(zheilwane @ Dec 5 2011, 12:07 AM)
Hw good is alpha and panasonic? At least Joven I70P is proven to b silent and good, supported by videos that i posted and also from LYN members feedback.
*
not sure about panasonic .. but alpha have models that are silent & quite last.
i'm using alpha S-series.

User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
leeyung
post Dec 5 2011, 07:31 AM


1st LYN Pioneer Genuine Marimo Seller
*****
Group: Senior Member
Posts: 885

Joined: Sep 2008

Just tested by i70P that purchased from zheilwane, seriously, I m really impressed by the silent sound shocking.gif
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
noien
post Dec 5 2011, 08:05 AM


Getting Started
******
Group: Senior Member
Posts: 1,675

Joined: Jan 2008
QUOTE(zheilwane @ Dec 5 2011, 12:07 AM)
Hw good is alpha and panasonic? At least Joven I70P is proven to b silent and good, supported by videos that i posted and also from LYN members feedback.
*
no review for alpha and panasonic but 1 of my 3unit joven cant even heat up the water temp and the tech stil cant rectify the prob
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
zheilwane
post Dec 5 2011, 08:13 AM


Regular
******
Group: Senior Member
Posts: 1,733

Joined: Jan 2008
If it is still under warranty, u can PM me ur details, i will make sure they get it fixed
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
ozak
post Dec 5 2011, 08:32 AM


Look at all my stars!!
*******
Group: Senior Member
Posts: 6,735

Joined: Jan 2005


QUOTE(Life_House @ Dec 5 2011, 12:27 AM)
not sure about panasonic ..  but alpha have models that are silent & quite last.
i'm using alpha S-series.
*
Panasonic have a very long history of making water heater. Before you born. tongue.gif

I trust more on Panasonic than others new comer.
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
kucingfight
post Dec 5 2011, 08:47 AM


I Want My B00bs back!!
Group Icon
Overclockers United
Group: Elite
Posts: 4,956

Joined: Jan 2003
From: Sitiawan / Shah Alam / Putra Heights /



QUOTE(ozak @ Dec 5 2011, 08:32 AM)
Panasonic have a very long history of making water heater. Before you born. tongue.gif

I trust more on Panasonic than others new comer.
*
true agreed, i've been using a national (pana) water heater for over 15yrs @ my hometown, and never gave me an issue.
another one here, 7yrs = no prob

and my new house, back to the basic panasonic

Not to mention, other brands are not really that cheap too (in relative to panasonic)
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
iamsobloodysick
post Dec 5 2011, 08:48 AM


Regular
******
Group: Senior Member
Posts: 1,066

Joined: Mar 2005
From: Truly Malaise
QUOTE(noien @ Dec 5 2011, 08:05 AM)
no review for alpha and panasonic but 1 of my 3unit joven cant even heat up the water temp and the tech stil cant rectify the prob
*
Panasonic is for sure the best quality but the design is not favoured by the users because not trendy enough.

"elephant bathing symbol"

However, Japanese company rather prefers number 1 in safety feature than design feature.

Sooner or later, panasonic will come out a lot of water heater media ads to expose in the market.

To note that, panasonic never made AC pump heater from the moment they started in producing the instant water heater 20 more years ago. Japanese know the consequences of the AC pump heater. So, they say no to problem and complaint.
User is online!Profile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
noien
post Dec 5 2011, 09:01 AM


Getting Started
******
Group: Senior Member
Posts: 1,675

Joined: Jan 2008
QUOTE(zheilwane @ Dec 5 2011, 08:13 AM)
If it is still under warranty, u can PM me ur details, i will make sure they get it fixed
*
it is ok.i call them to ask their technician to come again.and the receptionist shakehead.gif

QUOTE(iamsobloodysick @ Dec 5 2011, 08:48 AM)
Panasonic is for sure the best quality but the design is not favoured by the users because not trendy enough.

"elephant bathing symbol"

However, Japanese company rather prefers number 1 in safety feature than design feature.

Sooner or later, panasonic will come out a lot of water heater media ads to expose in the market.

To note that, panasonic never made AC pump heater from the moment they started in producing the instant water heater 20 more years ago. Japanese know the consequences of the AC pump heater. So, they say no to problem and complaint.
*
i do agree.i have a national for about 18 years of age too.
but panasonic dc pump came out just after i bought my joven sad.gif
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
JinXXX
post Dec 5 2011, 09:02 AM


Look at all my stars!!
*******
Group: Senior Member
Posts: 2,335

Joined: Feb 2007
From: Uarla Umpur



QUOTE(iamsobloodysick @ Dec 5 2011, 08:48 AM)
To note that, panasonic never made AC pump heater from the moment they started in producing the instant water heater 20 more years ago. Japanese know the consequences of the AC pump heater. So, they say no to problem and complaint.
*
how's the DC pump on the latest panasonic water heater ? is it good as joven / alpha in terms of noise

or better still how "lasting" is it ?
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
iamsobloodysick
post Dec 5 2011, 09:05 AM


Regular
******
Group: Senior Member
Posts: 1,066

Joined: Mar 2005
From: Truly Malaise
QUOTE(noien @ Dec 5 2011, 09:01 AM)
it is ok.i call them to ask their technician to come again.and the receptionist  shakehead.gif
i do agree.i have a national for about 18 years of age too.
but panasonic dc pump came out just after i bought my joven sad.gif
*
Huh?

Panasonic DC pump heater is not new in the market...Sudah lama dah Ada Liao leh..

Yes, last time they named National and now they convert it to Panasonic.
User is online!Profile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
JinXXX
post Dec 5 2011, 09:07 AM


Look at all my stars!!
*******
Group: Senior Member
Posts: 2,335

Joined: Feb 2007
From: Uarla Umpur



QUOTE(iamsobloodysick @ Dec 5 2011, 09:05 AM)
Huh?

Panasonic DC pump heater is not new in the market...Sudah lama dah Ada Liao leh..

Yes, last time they named National and now they convert it to Panasonic.
*
any idea on the quality ?
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
noien
post Dec 5 2011, 09:08 AM


Getting Started
******
Group: Senior Member
Posts: 1,675

Joined: Jan 2008
QUOTE(iamsobloodysick @ Dec 5 2011, 09:05 AM)
Huh?

Panasonic DC pump heater is not new in the market...Sudah lama dah Ada Liao leh..

Yes, last time they named National and now they convert it to Panasonic.
*
then my mistake.coz i din see any in jusco or electrical shop.they have alpha,joven,beebest and only basic model for panasonic.i saw the dc pump panasonic only last week when i went to buy panasonic cordless phone and the sales girl say it is a new model @@
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
ozak
post Dec 5 2011, 09:10 AM


Look at all my stars!!
*******
Group: Senior Member
Posts: 6,735

Joined: Jan 2005


QUOTE(iamsobloodysick @ Dec 5 2011, 08:48 AM)
Panasonic is for sure the best quality but the design is not favoured by the users because not trendy enough.

"elephant bathing symbol"

However, Japanese company rather prefers number 1 in safety feature than design feature.

Sooner or later, panasonic will come out a lot of water heater media ads to expose in the market.

To note that, panasonic never made AC pump heater from the moment they started in producing the instant water heater 20 more years ago. Japanese know the consequences of the AC pump heater. So, they say no to problem and complaint.
*
It is not all just about that. It is about the OEM type vs the real manufacturing.

Panasonic have r&d, resource and manufacturing the heater. So they know from a to z about heater.

While others probably just OEM or buy the component and assembly themselves. Stick the brand and sell.
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
iamsobloodysick
post Dec 5 2011, 10:14 AM


Regular
******
Group: Senior Member
Posts: 1,066

Joined: Mar 2005
From: Truly Malaise
QUOTE(ozak @ Dec 5 2011, 09:10 AM)
It is not all just about that. It is about the OEM type vs the real manufacturing.

Panasonic have r&d, resource and manufacturing the heater. So they know from a to z about heater.

While others probably just OEM or buy the component and assembly themselves. Stick the brand and sell.
*
+1

U have got the point.
User is online!Profile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
tiensong
post Dec 5 2011, 12:13 PM


Regular
******
Group: Senior Member
Posts: 1,010

Joined: Jul 2011
Yeah...agree to iamsobloodysick....
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
Jo_da48
post Dec 31 2011, 12:23 AM


Regular
******
Group: Senior Member
Posts: 1,341

Joined: Feb 2011
From: PJ


is all the new modal (Joven or Panasonic) both didn't have option to disable the use of pump any more? Or I missing something on the manual?


This post has been edited by Jo_da48: Dec 31 2011, 12:23 AM
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
leeyung
post Dec 31 2011, 08:01 AM


1st LYN Pioneer Genuine Marimo Seller
*****
Group: Senior Member
Posts: 885

Joined: Sep 2008

QUOTE(Jo_da48 @ Dec 31 2011, 12:23 AM)
is all the new modal (Joven or Panasonic) both didn't have option to disable the use of pump any more? Or I missing something on the manual?
*
Joven i70P have a side button to disable the water pump
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
ozak
post Dec 31 2011, 12:34 PM


Look at all my stars!!
*******
Group: Senior Member
Posts: 6,735

Joined: Jan 2005


QUOTE(Jo_da48 @ Dec 31 2011, 12:23 AM)
is all the new modal (Joven or Panasonic) both didn't have option to disable the use of pump any more? Or I missing something on the manual?
*
Actually I don't see it need a switch. My heater do have a switch but never use it from day 1. The water pressure is pretty stable either low or high.
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
lowlowc
post Jan 4 2012, 09:40 PM


Getting Started
**
Group: Junior Member
Posts: 292

Joined: Jul 2011
Anyone using S200EP Alpha instant heater? Does it always that loud when the pump is on?
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
drakenkorin
post Mar 31 2012, 10:12 PM


New Member
*
Group: Junior Member
Posts: 38

Joined: Jan 2011
Any comments on Electrolux heaters? haven't see much ppl comment on safety, price and water heat level
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
JinXXX
post Mar 31 2012, 11:36 PM


Look at all my stars!!
*******
Group: Senior Member
Posts: 2,335

Joined: Feb 2007
From: Uarla Umpur



QUOTE(drakenkorin @ Mar 31 2012, 10:12 PM)
Any comments on Electrolux heaters? haven't see much ppl comment on safety, price and water heat level
*
they got do water heater meh ?


Added on March 31, 2012, 11:38 pm
QUOTE(lowlowc @ Jan 4 2012, 09:40 PM)
Anyone using S200EP Alpha instant heater? Does it always that loud when the pump is on?
*
how loud is loud ? you compare it with any other water heater /w pump ?

there is a youtube video of joven's pump sound level maybe u can see that one

This post has been edited by JinXXX: Mar 31 2012, 11:38 PM
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
exkaizen
post Apr 9 2012, 11:06 AM


An Area No Kishi !!!
******
Group: Senior Member
Posts: 1,200

Joined: Aug 2005
From: Oslo, Norway
-edited-

This post has been edited by exkaizen: Apr 9 2012, 02:46 PM
User is online!Profile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
firekids
post Apr 16 2012, 04:15 PM


Getting Started
**
Group: Junior Member
Posts: 61

Joined: Mar 2009
any feedback for Alpha Smart-18I ???
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
charlieboy61
post Apr 16 2012, 05:09 PM


On my way
****
Group: Senior Member
Posts: 673

Joined: Jun 2009


QUOTE(leeyung @ Nov 15 2011, 06:23 AM)
yeah, find zheilwane, best of the best price ever, I go for Joven i70P, get it from zheilwane at good price brows.gif
*
where is zheilwane's shop ?
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
Jo_da48
post Apr 16 2012, 09:28 PM


Regular
******
Group: Senior Member
Posts: 1,341

Joined: Feb 2011
From: PJ


QUOTE(charlieboy61 @ Apr 16 2012, 05:09 PM)
where is zheilwane's shop ?
*
check his signature

http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showuser=150953

User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
tomjason
post Apr 17 2012, 09:12 AM


Casual
***
Group: Junior Member
Posts: 468

Joined: Oct 2011
QUOTE(charlieboy61 @ Apr 16 2012, 05:09 PM)
where is zheilwane's shop ?
*
i got Joven i70P from zeilwane..(Zen)...Zen i m promoting you.. biggrin.gif .....i bought johnson suisse and joven with him..Zen do you remember me or not,l bought with you 2 joven and i sorento mirror...last 2 weeks ago.

Attached Image
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
kelvin_ck1
post Apr 17 2012, 11:24 PM


New Member
*
Group: Junior Member
Posts: 25

Joined: Jan 2003


don't ever buy pensonic water heater ... use 6 months then spoilt already .... now need to dismantle and claim for warranty ... then need to fix it back ... better use panasonic ... my house panasonic use for 15 years already still working
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
ozak
post Apr 17 2012, 11:46 PM


Look at all my stars!!
*******
Group: Senior Member
Posts: 6,735

Joined: Jan 2005


QUOTE(kelvin_ck1 @ Apr 17 2012, 11:24 PM)
don't ever buy pensonic water heater ... use 6 months then spoilt already .... now need to dismantle and claim for warranty ... then need to fix it back ... better use panasonic ... my house panasonic use for 15 years already still working
*
Eh... Why you buy pensonic when you know panasonic is good? hmm.gif
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
noien
post Apr 22 2012, 07:43 AM


Getting Started
******
Group: Senior Member
Posts: 1,675

Joined: Jan 2008
another of my joven i80 spoilt. the water heater have some kind of sound after using for a short while. worst thing is when the sound start, the water pressure become low and i din even on the pump

need to call for service again.
ntg to do with the water pressure for my house since the other 2 work fine.
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
zheilwane
post Apr 22 2012, 08:28 AM


Regular
******
Group: Senior Member
Posts: 1,733

Joined: Jan 2008
QUOTE(tomjason @ Apr 17 2012, 09:12 AM)
i got Joven i70P from zeilwane..(Zen)...Zen i m promoting you.. biggrin.gif .....i bought johnson suisse and joven with him..Zen do you remember me or not,l bought with you 2 joven and i sorento mirror...last 2 weeks ago.

Attached Image
*
thanks bro smile.gif

Here is my shop
http://maps.google.com.my/maps?f=q&source=...4,0.001725&z=19

We are open 2day in conjunction with our stock clearance sales from 10am - 4pm. We are usually closed on sunday
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
charlieboy61
post Apr 22 2012, 03:48 PM


On my way
****
Group: Senior Member
Posts: 673

Joined: Jun 2009


QUOTE(Jo_da48 @ Apr 16 2012, 09:28 PM)
Thanks. I was also hoping for a phone contact
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
Jo_da48
post Apr 24 2012, 09:26 AM


Regular
******
Group: Senior Member
Posts: 1,341

Joined: Feb 2011
From: PJ


QUOTE(charlieboy61 @ Apr 22 2012, 03:48 PM)
Thanks. I was also hoping for a phone contact
*
why not you just PM him or you could just leave your number here and ask him to contact you...
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
iamwho
post Apr 24 2012, 12:05 PM


Casual
***
Group: Junior Member
Posts: 320

Joined: Jan 2011
QUOTE(lowlowc @ Jan 4 2012, 09:40 PM)
Anyone using S200EP Alpha instant heater? Does it always that loud when the pump is on?
*
I am using Alpha water heater, forgot what series was it ..and I won't buy it again ... yes, IT'S LOUD when the pump's on!
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
kelvyn
post Apr 24 2012, 05:42 PM


Look at all my stars!!
*******
Group: Senior Member
Posts: 3,094

Joined: May 2007
Sometimes if the incoming water supply to the heater is not strong enough, there is loud sound from the water heater. I have experience this before; using the same water heater, installed at 2 different bathrooms. When the water pressure is strong, no loud pump noise.
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
tomjason
post May 2 2012, 11:05 AM


Casual
***
Group: Junior Member
Posts: 468

Joined: Oct 2011
QUOTE(zheilwane @ Apr 22 2012, 08:28 AM)
thanks bro smile.gif

Here is my shop
http://maps.google.com.my/maps?f=q&source=...4,0.001725&z=19

We are open 2day in conjunction with our stock clearance sales from 10am - 4pm. We are usually closed on sunday
*
i hv bad remark for Joven....

I hv finished installed my new Joven i70P on last saturday....but not functioning..both heater and its pump..already contacted Joven...wau very slow respond...i bought 2 joven i70P..one ok..but one not ok. They even said to charge me if due to bad water pressure....i hv installed 2 water heater myself.....one ok..one not ok..

this is the first time my experience with company want to charged (during warranty)....i hv many kind of household products such toshiba,panasonic,alpha, hitachi,bee best,johnson suisse etc...they dont charge for what so ever reason (during warranty) when customer complained they have problem with the product and they came to check.

be carefull if to choose Joven....

This post has been edited by tomjason: May 15 2012, 11:20 AM
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
iamwho
post May 2 2012, 02:24 PM


Casual
***
Group: Junior Member
Posts: 320

Joined: Jan 2011
QUOTE(ozak @ Dec 5 2011, 08:32 AM)
Panasonic have a very long history of making water heater. Before you born. tongue.gif

I trust more on Panasonic than others new comer.
*
ditto .. panasonic to me is a trusted brand (for aircond and water heaters at least)


Added on May 2, 2012, 2:25 pmzheilwane, do you sell panasonic water heaters at your shop?

This post has been edited by iamwho: May 2 2012, 02:25 PM
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
Auwen
post May 3 2012, 08:41 AM


Getting Started
**
Group: Junior Member
Posts: 70

Joined: Jun 2007


is joven i80p better than i70p?
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
muman7
post May 11 2012, 09:32 PM


Getting Started
**
Group: Junior Member
Posts: 83

Joined: Oct 2005
Any users of Panasonic new jet pump series? Please give some feedback is it have powerful, silent pump?
Need it as it has narrower body compare to especially Joven due to my bath area is quite small.
Need to know as I wish to use it to power rain shower (8") in my 5th floor apartment.
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
noien
post May 12 2012, 12:22 PM


Getting Started
******
Group: Senior Member
Posts: 1,675

Joined: Jan 2008
QUOTE(tomjason @ May 2 2012, 11:05 AM)
i hv bad remark for Joven....

I hv finished installed my new Joven i70P on last saturday....but not functioning..both heater and its pump..already contacted Joven...wau very slow respond...i bought 2 joven i70P..one ok..but one not ok. They even said to charge me if due to bad water pressure....i hv installed 2 water heater myself.....one ok..one not ok..

this is the first time my experience with company want to charged (during warranty)....i hv many kind of household products such toshiba,panasonic,alpha, hitachi,bee best,johnson suisse etc...they dont charge for what so ever reason (during warranty) when customer complained they have problem with the product and they came to check.

be carefull if to choose Joven....
*
mine only give me lots of reason before coming

QUOTE(Auwen @ May 3 2012, 08:41 AM)
is joven i80p better than i70p?
*
the same.only the casing is diff
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
AdrianSiang
post May 12 2012, 12:31 PM


New Member
*
Group: Junior Member
Posts: 38

Joined: Dec 2010
the same.only the casing is diff
*

[/quote]
i80 without pump, i70 with pump, correct me if wrong.. smile.gif
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
noien
post May 12 2012, 12:38 PM


Getting Started
******
Group: Senior Member
Posts: 1,675

Joined: Jan 2008
[quote=AdrianSiang,May 12 2012, 12:31 PM]
the same.only the casing is diff
*

[/quote]
i80 without pump, i70 with pump, correct me if wrong.. smile.gif
*

[/quote]
erm,if u r i80p and i 70p then both is the same

User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
Dayung73
post Jul 1 2012, 06:06 PM


New Member
*
Group: Junior Member
Posts: 20

Joined: Jun 2012


QUOTE(kelvyn @ Apr 24 2012, 05:42 PM)
Sometimes if the incoming water supply to the heater is not strong enough, there is loud sound from the water heater. I have experience this before; using the same water heater, installed at 2 different bathrooms. When the water pressure is strong, no loud pump noise.
*
I am using alpha s series, less than 2 years and start to have problem, the pump will shut off during shower and always need to reset and still won't work. It's rather expensive compared to some other brands but prrformance wise below expectation. Not sure if it's the incoming water pressure or the unit itself. Not sure if it's still safe to use.
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
ozak
post Jul 1 2012, 06:31 PM


Look at all my stars!!
*******
Group: Senior Member
Posts: 6,735

Joined: Jan 2005


QUOTE(Dayung73 @ Jul 1 2012, 06:06 PM)
I am using alpha s series, less than 2 years and start to have problem, the pump will shut off during shower and always need to reset and still won't work.  It's rather expensive compared to some other brands but prrformance wise below expectation. Not sure if it's the incoming water pressure or the unit itself. Not sure if it's still safe to use.
*
Why don't ask the service guy come and check? Don't gambling with your life.
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
Dayung73
post Jul 1 2012, 07:11 PM


New Member
*
Group: Junior Member
Posts: 20

Joined: Jun 2012


QUOTE(ozak @ Jul 1 2012, 06:31 PM)
Why don't ask the service guy come and check? Don't gambling with your life.
*
Went to the shop i bought it from, they said will send the service guy but never turned up. Don't know if they did or not, so i don't have faith in alpha anymore. Gonna move out in a few months or i dont plan to install a new one.

User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
ozak
post Jul 1 2012, 07:17 PM


Look at all my stars!!
*******
Group: Senior Member
Posts: 6,735

Joined: Jan 2005


QUOTE(Dayung73 @ Jul 1 2012, 07:11 PM)
Went to the shop i bought it from, they said will send the service guy but never turned up. Don't know if they did or not, so i don't have faith in alpha anymore.  Gonna move out in a few months or i dont plan to install a new one.
*
You need to call direct to the alpha service center. Not the shop.
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
Dayung73
post Jul 1 2012, 07:45 PM


New Member
*
Group: Junior Member
Posts: 20

Joined: Jun 2012


QUOTE(ozak @ Jul 1 2012, 07:17 PM)
You need to call direct to the alpha service center. Not the shop.
*
I should do that, thanks.
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
zheilwane
post Jul 30 2012, 11:02 PM


Regular
******
Group: Senior Member
Posts: 1,733

Joined: Jan 2008
Here is a new model by Joven and our new package with CABANA rain shower set.
user posted image
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
sovietmah
post Sep 4 2013, 02:55 PM


Regular
******
Group: Senior Member
Posts: 1,850

Joined: Nov 2005
QUOTE(tomjason @ May 2 2012, 11:05 AM)
i hv bad remark for Joven....

I hv finished installed my new Joven i70P on last saturday....but not functioning..both heater and its pump..already contacted Joven...wau very slow respond...i bought 2 joven i70P..one ok..but one not ok. They even said to charge me if due to bad water pressure....i hv installed 2 water heater myself.....one ok..one not ok..

this is the first time my experience with company want to charged (during warranty)....i hv many kind of household products such toshiba,panasonic,alpha, hitachi,bee best,johnson suisse etc...they dont charge for what so ever reason (during warranty) when customer complained they have problem with the product and they came to check.

be carefull if to choose Joven....
*
Why exactly same issue like mine.
I bought 2 x joven i70P.
one working OK, one no water come out (sometimes a little bit but the pump not really working).
Regret, regret...
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
~Curious~
post Sep 4 2013, 11:32 PM


Regular
******
Group: Senior Member
Posts: 1,364

Joined: Nov 2007
joven sl30p pump is DC pump or AC pump?on the website juz says booster pump lol like wth...

User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
petlu28
post Sep 4 2013, 11:35 PM


Look at all my stars!!
*******
Group: Senior Member
Posts: 3,389

Joined: Dec 2010
Choose DC pump quiet ma.

QUOTE(~Curious~ @ Sep 4 2013, 11:32 PM)
joven sl30p pump is DC pump or AC pump?on the website juz says booster pump lol like wth...
*
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
~Curious~
post Sep 5 2013, 02:14 PM


Regular
******
Group: Senior Member
Posts: 1,364

Joined: Nov 2007
QUOTE(petlu28 @ Sep 4 2013, 11:35 PM)
Choose DC pump quiet ma.
*
yea that was what i read
so is joven sl30p using DC pump or AC?
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
petlu28
post Sep 5 2013, 02:29 PM


Look at all my stars!!
*******
Group: Senior Member
Posts: 3,389

Joined: Dec 2010
In Joven website just have mention "Quiet operation below 70 dB". Anyone can help Curious?

QUOTE(~Curious~ @ Sep 5 2013, 02:14 PM)
yea that was what i read
so is joven sl30p using DC pump or AC?
*
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
telasdist
post Sep 6 2013, 12:07 AM


Getting Started
**
Group: Junior Member
Posts: 57

Joined: Jul 2013


What is the price for i70P?
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
ozak
post Sep 9 2013, 03:59 PM


Look at all my stars!!
*******
Group: Senior Member
Posts: 6,735

Joined: Jan 2005


QUOTE
Japanese couple found dead in Mont Kiara apartment

KUALA LUMPUR: The bodies of a Japanese couple were found in the bathroom of their apartment in Mont Kiara here.

City CID chief Senior Asst Comm Datuk Ku Chin Wah said the housekeeper found the bodies of the married couple, aged 38, at around 10am on the 13th floor apartment unit.

"We believe the husband was electrocuted while taking a shower.

"His wife heard the noise in the bathroom and came to his aid but was also electrocuted," he said when contacted on Monday.

The body of the man was in the nude while the woman was fully clothed.

It is believed the water heater unit short-circuited leading to the electrocution.

SAC Ku said the case has been classified as sudden death.

"The bodies have been sent to the Kuala Lumpur Hospital for post mortem," he said adding that police would be taking the statement of the housekeeper soon
Don't play play. sweat.gif


Ketchup sos

This post has been edited by ozak: Sep 9 2013, 04:00 PM
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
idoblu
post Sep 9 2013, 04:05 PM


Stars For Sale
*******
Group: Senior Member
Posts: 3,475

Joined: Feb 2008
QUOTE(ozak @ Sep 9 2013, 03:59 PM)
Don't play play.  sweat.gif
Ketchup sos
*
This one is what kind of heater you think? I bet it is those instant
User is online!Profile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
ozak
post Sep 9 2013, 04:11 PM


Look at all my stars!!
*******
Group: Senior Member
Posts: 6,735

Joined: Jan 2005


QUOTE(idoblu @ Sep 9 2013, 04:05 PM)
This one is what kind of heater you think? I bet it is those instant
*
If rented, probably yes.

But in mont kiara, those are expensive condo. Maybe using storage type too.
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
petlu28
post Sep 9 2013, 04:19 PM


Look at all my stars!!
*******
Group: Senior Member
Posts: 3,389

Joined: Dec 2010
can't get info what type heater using.

QUOTE(ozak @ Sep 9 2013, 04:11 PM)
If rented, probably yes.

But in mont kiara, those are expensive condo. Maybe using storage type too.
*
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
ozak
post Sep 9 2013, 04:23 PM


Look at all my stars!!
*******
Group: Senior Member
Posts: 6,735

Joined: Jan 2005


QUOTE(petlu28 @ Sep 9 2013, 04:19 PM)
can't get info what type heater using.
*
Normally either instant heater or storage heater lah.
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
petlu28
post Sep 9 2013, 04:37 PM


Look at all my stars!!
*******
Group: Senior Member
Posts: 3,389

Joined: Dec 2010
This news make me headache again. rclxub.gif rclxub.gif


QUOTE(ozak @ Sep 9 2013, 04:23 PM)
Normally either instant heater or storage heater lah.
*
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
ozak
post Sep 9 2013, 04:54 PM


Look at all my stars!!
*******
Group: Senior Member
Posts: 6,735

Joined: Jan 2005


QUOTE(petlu28 @ Sep 9 2013, 04:37 PM)
This news make me headache again.  rclxub.gif  rclxub.gif
*
Aiyah. No worry lah. Die is die lor. sweat.gif
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
petlu28
post Sep 9 2013, 04:56 PM


Look at all my stars!!
*******
Group: Senior Member
Posts: 3,389

Joined: Dec 2010
hahaha okok. Even solar also have problem later.

QUOTE(ozak @ Sep 9 2013, 04:54 PM)
Aiyah. No worry lah. Die is die lor.  sweat.gif
*
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
idoblu
post Sep 9 2013, 05:01 PM


Stars For Sale
*******
Group: Senior Member
Posts: 3,475

Joined: Feb 2008
I think more important is to make sure your ELCB is working and earth wire is grounded

over at the Property forum, someone suggested to turn off the heater before taking your shower. thats a good idea if you takut
but of course,you cant do this with instant heaters

This post has been edited by idoblu: Sep 9 2013, 05:25 PM
User is online!Profile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
hontoni1983
post Sep 9 2013, 05:51 PM


New Member
*
Group: Junior Member
Posts: 26

Joined: Oct 2012
Purchased Alpha Smart 18i from Perfect Lifestyle fair a week ago, and they have came for installation yesterday,this is the first time in my life that i am installing water heater (all the while,my parents refuse to install heater because worry of electricity leakage),and holy shit,they use a PVC pipe to connect the output of my original rain water shower output to the heater input, and now, I can see the whole PVC pipe naked on the tiles which is about 2 meter long.....

Oh my god,i really can't accept that after spent so much of money to renovate the house,and the ugly part appear in the toilet!!! Really learnt my lesson, anybody here got idea how to overcome this?? except drill hole and put the pipe inside, and redo the tiles??
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
sovietmah
post Sep 9 2013, 05:53 PM


Regular
******
Group: Senior Member
Posts: 1,850

Joined: Nov 2005
QUOTE(hontoni1983 @ Sep 9 2013, 05:51 PM)
Purchased Alpha Smart 18i from Perfect Lifestyle fair a week ago, and they have came for installation yesterday,this is the first time in my life that i am installing water heater (all the while,my parents refuse to install heater because worry of electricity leakage),and holy shit,they use a PVC pipe to connect the output of my original rain water shower output to the heater input, and now, I can see the whole PVC pipe naked on the tiles which is about 2 meter long.....

Oh my god,i really can't accept that after spent so much of money to renovate the house,and the ugly part appear in the toilet!!! Really learnt my lesson, anybody here got idea how to overcome this?? except drill hole and put the pipe inside, and redo the tiles??
*
No way to settle this, unless u replace the pipe with a flexible (steel type) of pipe, then might not so obvious.
Or else the pvc pipe goes on line with the top ceiling roof and paint the roughly same color. got photo?

This post has been edited by sovietmah: Sep 9 2013, 05:54 PM
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
weikee
post Sep 9 2013, 05:57 PM


Look at all my stars!!
*******
Group: Senior Member
Posts: 7,373

Joined: Jan 2003
QUOTE(hontoni1983 @ Sep 9 2013, 05:51 PM)
Purchased Alpha Smart 18i from Perfect Lifestyle fair a week ago, and they have came for installation yesterday,this is the first time in my life that i am installing water heater (all the while,my parents refuse to install heater because worry of electricity leakage),and holy shit,they use a PVC pipe to connect the output of my original rain water shower output to the heater input, and now, I can see the whole PVC pipe naked on the tiles which is about 2 meter long.....

Oh my god,i really can't accept that after spent so much of money to renovate the house,and the ugly part appear in the toilet!!! Really learnt my lesson, anybody here got idea how to overcome this?? except drill hole and put the pipe inside, and redo the tiles??
*
Instant water heater will have this problem, any type you use sure will see the pipe. You can use stainless steel pipe that will make it nicer. Have to pay higher price.
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
sovietmah
post Sep 9 2013, 05:58 PM


Regular
******
Group: Senior Member
Posts: 1,850

Joined: Nov 2005
QUOTE(weikee @ Sep 9 2013, 05:57 PM)
Instant water heater will have this problem, any type you use sure will see the pipe. You can use stainless steel pipe that will make it nicer. Have to pay higher price.
*
If i am him i will hack the tiles. but how come it will be 2 meters long? i couldn't understand, by right at least you should decided the position of ur water heater, more or less 2 feet diff.
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
weikee
post Sep 9 2013, 06:24 PM


Look at all my stars!!
*******
Group: Senior Member
Posts: 7,373

Joined: Jan 2003
QUOTE(weikee @ Sep 9 2013, 05:57 PM)
Instant water heater will have this problem, any type you use sure will see the pipe. You can use stainless steel pipe that will make it nicer. Have to pay higher price.
*
Even flexible hose will not look nice. PVC will look better compare to flexible steel hose.
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
weikee
post Sep 9 2013, 06:26 PM


Look at all my stars!!
*******
Group: Senior Member
Posts: 7,373

Joined: Jan 2003
QUOTE(sovietmah @ Sep 9 2013, 05:58 PM)
If i am him i will hack the tiles. but how come it will be 2 meters long? i couldn't understand, by right at least you should decided the position of ur water heater, more or less 2 feet diff.
*
Maybe is few feet if tap from shower head. 2meter bit too much.
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
idoblu
post Sep 9 2013, 07:46 PM


Stars For Sale
*******
Group: Senior Member
Posts: 3,475

Joined: Feb 2008
Why houses/condo nowadays don't come with copper piping for storage heaters?
My 20 years old medium cost condo also included
User is online!Profile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
weikee
post Sep 9 2013, 08:25 PM


Look at all my stars!!
*******
Group: Senior Member
Posts: 7,373

Joined: Jan 2003
QUOTE(idoblu @ Sep 9 2013, 07:46 PM)
Why houses/condo nowadays don't come with copper piping for storage heaters?
My 20 years old medium cost condo also included
*
Cheaper cost ma
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
petlu28
post Sep 9 2013, 08:31 PM


Look at all my stars!!
*******
Group: Senior Member
Posts: 3,389

Joined: Dec 2010
After boil off power then still can enjoy hot water?

QUOTE(weikee @ Sep 9 2013, 08:25 PM)
Cheaper cost ma
*
This post has been edited by petlu28: Sep 9 2013, 08:32 PM
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
idoblu
post Sep 9 2013, 08:33 PM


Stars For Sale
*******
Group: Senior Member
Posts: 3,475

Joined: Feb 2008
QUOTE(weikee @ Sep 9 2013, 08:25 PM)
Cheaper cost ma
*
its also a possibility that owners do not know about these things. just pasang only without realizing that their bathrooms are equipped for storage heaters

User is online!Profile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
weikee
post Sep 9 2013, 08:34 PM


Look at all my stars!!
*******
Group: Senior Member
Posts: 7,373

Joined: Jan 2003
QUOTE(idoblu @ Sep 9 2013, 08:33 PM)
its also a possibility that owners do not know about these things. just pasang only without realizing that their bathrooms are equipped for storage heaters
*
Where got so stupid. Very obvious
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
weikee
post Sep 9 2013, 08:38 PM


Look at all my stars!!
*******
Group: Senior Member
Posts: 7,373

Joined: Jan 2003
QUOTE(petlu28 @ Sep 9 2013, 08:31 PM)
After boil off power then still can enjoy hot water?
*
Yes still hot water inside. Depend how long it was heated.

After my wife bath, she will usually off it. And my 5-10 mins bath is still sufficient.
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
idoblu
post Sep 9 2013, 08:38 PM


Stars For Sale
*******
Group: Senior Member
Posts: 3,475

Joined: Feb 2008
QUOTE(weikee @ Sep 9 2013, 08:34 PM)
Where got so stupid.  Very obvious
*
if you read some of the questions people are asking just on this page alone, you can see that there must be a possibility
that they wont know if their homes are equipped for storage heaters or not. copper pipe is concealed. only thing showing is a mixer knob or two depending on design. you'd be surprised how many wont know

This post has been edited by idoblu: Sep 9 2013, 08:40 PM
User is online!Profile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
petlu28
post Sep 9 2013, 08:43 PM


Look at all my stars!!
*******
Group: Senior Member
Posts: 3,389

Joined: Dec 2010
Think this way more secure prevent electrocute.

QUOTE(weikee @ Sep 9 2013, 08:38 PM)
Yes still hot water inside.  Depend how long it was heated.

After my wife bath, she will usually off it. And my 5-10 mins bath is still sufficient.
*
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
weikee
post Sep 9 2013, 08:59 PM


Look at all my stars!!
*******
Group: Senior Member
Posts: 7,373

Joined: Jan 2003
QUOTE(idoblu @ Sep 9 2013, 08:38 PM)
if you read some of the questions people are asking just on this page alone, you can see that there must be a possibility
that they wont know if their homes are equipped for storage heaters or not. copper pipe is concealed. only thing showing is a mixer knob or two depending on design. you'd be surprised how many wont know
*
Haha sometime I wonder...

Well When buy new house the developer will put it in the brochure ma. If old house will see got switch but no wires on the bath room + mixer.
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
weikee
post Sep 9 2013, 09:02 PM


Look at all my stars!!
*******
Group: Senior Member
Posts: 7,373

Joined: Jan 2003
QUOTE(petlu28 @ Sep 9 2013, 08:43 PM)
Think this way more secure prevent electrocute.
*
Higher chances to die in car accident than water heater electrocute. Don't drive car safer.


User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
idoblu
post Sep 9 2013, 09:05 PM


Stars For Sale
*******
Group: Senior Member
Posts: 3,475

Joined: Feb 2008
brochures will say "heater point", 2 to 3 years later apa "point" also forgotten lah laugh.gif
User is online!Profile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
Aicira
post Sep 9 2013, 09:07 PM


New Member
*
Group: New Member
Posts: 1

Joined: Sep 2013
Alpha!!
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
idoblu
post Sep 9 2013, 09:08 PM


Stars For Sale
*******
Group: Senior Member
Posts: 3,475

Joined: Feb 2008
QUOTE(hontoni1983 @ Sep 9 2013, 05:51 PM)
Purchased Alpha Smart 18i from Perfect Lifestyle fair a week ago, and they have came for installation yesterday,this is the first time in my life that i am installing water heater (all the while,my parents refuse to install heater because worry of electricity leakage),and holy shit,they use a PVC pipe to connect the output of my original rain water shower output to the heater input, and now, I can see the whole PVC pipe naked on the tiles which is about 2 meter long.....

Oh my god,i really can't accept that after spent so much of money to renovate the house,and the ugly part appear in the toilet!!! Really learnt my lesson, anybody here got idea how to overcome this?? except drill hole and put the pipe inside, and redo the tiles??
*
is your bathroom equipped for storage water heater? hmm.gif

This post has been edited by idoblu: Sep 9 2013, 09:14 PM
User is online!Profile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
ericlaiys
post Sep 9 2013, 09:10 PM


Enthusiast
*****
Group: Senior Member
Posts: 792

Joined: May 2012


QUOTE(sovietmah @ Sep 4 2013, 02:55 PM)
Why exactly same issue like mine.
I bought 2 x joven i70P.
one working OK, one no water come out (sometimes a little bit but the pump not really working).
Regret, regret...
*
thanks for sharing this info.Initially i plan to use Joven or another brand as i heard they got support. But after heard your story and bad support, sorry,make out my mind to drop Joven as part of my list.

User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
ericlaiys
post Sep 9 2013, 09:15 PM


Enthusiast
*****
Group: Senior Member
Posts: 792

Joined: May 2012


QUOTE(petlu28 @ Sep 9 2013, 04:37 PM)
This news make me headache again.  rclxub.gif  rclxub.gif
*
hahah....u can choose dont use water heater. bath using cold water. tongue.gif
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
ericlaiys
post Sep 9 2013, 09:17 PM


Enthusiast
*****
Group: Senior Member
Posts: 792

Joined: May 2012


QUOTE(ozak @ Sep 9 2013, 03:59 PM)
Don't play play.  sweat.gif
Ketchup sos
*
Mont kiara. Should be using expensive heater!!!. Then don't mentioned brand- to cover up story hmm.gif
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
ozak
post Sep 9 2013, 10:58 PM


Look at all my stars!!
*******
Group: Senior Member
Posts: 6,735

Joined: Jan 2005


QUOTE(ericlaiys @ Sep 9 2013, 09:17 PM)
Mont kiara. Should be using expensive heater!!!. Then don't mentioned brand- to cover up story  hmm.gif
*
Read many time this kind of case. Last time got read a Sweden couple died in Thailand resort. Electrocuted by instant heater too. Also local here son help farther and both died. Some more got picture. Scary.

News normally cannot mention brand. But I know got 2 brand got such case before.
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
petlu28
post Sep 9 2013, 11:23 PM


Look at all my stars!!
*******
Group: Senior Member
Posts: 3,389

Joined: Dec 2010
Those famous brand also have this kind problem before but still a lot ppl use it. Have another brand didn't use heat element but price expensive.

QUOTE(ozak @ Sep 9 2013, 10:58 PM)
Read many time this kind of case. Last time got read a Sweden couple died in Thailand resort. Electrocuted by instant heater too. Also local here son help farther and both died. Some more got picture. Scary.

News normally cannot mention brand. But I know got 2 brand got such case before.
*
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
weikee
post Sep 10 2013, 07:12 AM


Look at all my stars!!
*******
Group: Senior Member
Posts: 7,373

Joined: Jan 2003
Got so much worry use gas lo. Even solar you risk lightning.
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
petlu28
post Sep 10 2013, 07:36 AM


Look at all my stars!!
*******
Group: Senior Member
Posts: 3,389

Joined: Dec 2010
Gas also will boom. Take cool water better.

QUOTE(weikee @ Sep 10 2013, 07:12 AM)
Got so much worry use gas lo. Even solar you risk lightning.
*
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
idoblu
post Sep 10 2013, 07:47 AM


Stars For Sale
*******
Group: Senior Member
Posts: 3,475

Joined: Feb 2008
Storage heaters and mini heat pump the safest. biggrin.gif
Gas can leak, cause fire and explosion laugh.gif

This post has been edited by idoblu: Sep 10 2013, 07:48 AM
User is online!Profile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
ozak
post Sep 10 2013, 08:33 AM


Look at all my stars!!
*******
Group: Senior Member
Posts: 6,735

Joined: Jan 2005


QUOTE(petlu28 @ Sep 9 2013, 11:23 PM)
Those famous brand also have this kind problem before but still a lot ppl use it. Have another brand didn't use heat element but price expensive.
*
I avoid those I know.

Just like the rest of ppl. Those never heard will brought it. Those knew it will avoid it.

Malaysia is product safe heaven. You don't get sue if your product kill. In US, you kena sue till no underwear. biggrin.gif
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
ozak
post Sep 10 2013, 08:40 AM


Look at all my stars!!
*******
Group: Senior Member
Posts: 6,735

Joined: Jan 2005


QUOTE(idoblu @ Sep 10 2013, 07:47 AM)
Storage heaters and mini heat pump the safest.  biggrin.gif
Gas can leak, cause fire and explosion  laugh.gif
*
During gas heater era, not much news I heard about gas explosion. Normally the leaking is very small. Rather a fire than explosion.

Gas heater have a safety valve. Which will shutdown when high pressure release. Even if a gas hose broken, the most is fire shut out. Because the gas valve limit the pressure. I saw this kind of situation before during makan steambot. Scary. sweat.gif

The most famous news using gas heater is suicide. Specially in HK. Even HK actress use gas heater for suicide.
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
weikee
post Sep 10 2013, 08:53 AM


Look at all my stars!!
*******
Group: Senior Member
Posts: 7,373

Joined: Jan 2003
QUOTE(idoblu @ Sep 10 2013, 07:47 AM)
Storage heaters and mini heat pump the safest.  biggrin.gif
Gas can leak, cause fire and explosion  laugh.gif
*
Eat also can choke. No need to eat.

In life we do all the precautions we can, if really want to go is time to go. What we can do is make sure the thing we install are safe and product we get are good brand.

Heard from radio today the water heater that cause of death of the couple is instant water heater.
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
idoblu
post Sep 10 2013, 09:01 AM


Stars For Sale
*******
Group: Senior Member
Posts: 3,475

Joined: Feb 2008
QUOTE(ozak @ Sep 10 2013, 08:40 AM)
During gas heater era, not much news I heard about gas explosion. Normally the leaking is very small. Rather a fire than explosion.

Gas heater have a safety valve. Which will shutdown when high pressure release. Even if a gas hose broken, the most is fire shut out. Because the gas valve limit the pressure. I saw this kind of situation before during makan steambot. Scary.  sweat.gif

The most famous news using gas heater is suicide. Specially in HK. Even HK actress use gas heater for suicide.
*
i am just half kidding around, hence my laugh.gif at the end.
just like electric heaters, there is suppose to have a level of safety thru the ELCB....but as you can see, anything can happen

those gas water heaters with the big tank.....I dont think its available here any more. Only those small ones like what Rinnai is selling
those with the big tank has a pilot light continuously burning just like stove and oven from yester-years biggrin.gif
User is online!Profile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
idoblu
post Sep 10 2013, 09:03 AM


Stars For Sale
*******
Group: Senior Member
Posts: 3,475

Joined: Feb 2008
QUOTE(weikee @ Sep 10 2013, 08:53 AM)
Eat also can choke. No need to eat.

In life we do all the precautions we can, if really want to go is time to go. What we can do is make sure the thing we install are safe and product we get are good brand.

Heard from radio today the water heater that cause of death of the couple is instant water heater.
*
I have no doubts its one of those instant kind.




User is online!Profile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
petlu28
post Sep 10 2013, 09:13 AM


Look at all my stars!!
*******
Group: Senior Member
Posts: 3,389

Joined: Dec 2010
Thanks your info. my colleague just say both couple 35 years old ++ only. Left 6 month baby at home. sigh!!!


QUOTE(weikee @ Sep 10 2013, 08:53 AM)
Eat also can choke. No need to eat.

In life we do all the precautions we can, if really want to go is time to go. What we can do is make sure the thing we install are safe and product we get are good brand.

Heard from radio today the water heater that cause of death of the couple is instant water heater.
*
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
weikee
post Sep 10 2013, 09:15 AM


Look at all my stars!!
*******
Group: Senior Member
Posts: 7,373

Joined: Jan 2003
QUOTE(idoblu @ Sep 10 2013, 09:03 AM)
I have no doubts its one of those instant kind.
*
The sad news is, they left behind a 6 months old baby. Pray for the baby finding a good home.
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
ozak
post Sep 10 2013, 09:36 AM


Look at all my stars!!
*******
Group: Senior Member
Posts: 6,735

Joined: Jan 2005


Really don't no what went wrong. The instalation guy problem? Why the safety device can't protect?
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
sovietmah
post Sep 10 2013, 09:39 AM


Regular
******
Group: Senior Member
Posts: 1,850

Joined: Nov 2005
I am using water heater brand is Eaga.
Seems like china brand? and very hot the water even under the condo's water tank pressure, no local product can compete so far from my experience. drool.gif
I might be the next one to die u see..

This post has been edited by sovietmah: Sep 10 2013, 09:40 AM
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
celicaizpower
post Sep 10 2013, 09:47 AM


Bikers Forever!!!
****
Group: Senior Member
Posts: 652

Joined: Jan 2009
From: Cheras



I have experienced with 2 water heaters, here are my point of views.

Pensonic - Kinda ok, the trip function seems to work well. Reset and it's fine to go again.

Euro Uno - Cheap in price, good in reliability. No problems so far, been using it for about 7 years now & tripped only once due to power shortage as my wife turned on the vacuum while I was showering.
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
telasdist
post Sep 10 2013, 09:47 AM


Getting Started
**
Group: Junior Member
Posts: 57

Joined: Jul 2013


is it because of lightning and heavy rain in Mont Kiara area? i do not know because i am not staying at KL.
Just prevent using water heater when there is lightning outside.
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
petlu28
post Sep 10 2013, 09:48 AM


Look at all my stars!!
*******
Group: Senior Member
Posts: 3,389

Joined: Dec 2010
My colleague already using Joven brand 8 years already. After hear this news he plan change soon.

QUOTE(sovietmah @ Sep 10 2013, 09:39 AM)
I am using water heater brand is Eaga.
Seems like china brand? and very hot the water even under the condo's water tank pressure, no local product can compete so far from my experience.  drool.gif
I might be the next one to die u see..
*
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
idoblu
post Sep 10 2013, 09:52 AM


Stars For Sale
*******
Group: Senior Member
Posts: 3,475

Joined: Feb 2008
QUOTE(weikee @ Sep 10 2013, 09:15 AM)
The sad news is, they left behind a 6 months old baby. Pray for the baby finding a good home.
*
oh man thats tragic sad.gif

User is online!Profile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
hontoni1983
post Sep 10 2013, 12:14 PM


New Member
*
Group: Junior Member
Posts: 26

Joined: Oct 2012
QUOTE(sovietmah @ Sep 9 2013, 05:58 PM)
If i am him i will hack the tiles. but how come it will be 2 meters long? i couldn't understand, by right at least you should decided the position of ur water heater, more or less 2 feet diff.
*
Because the pipe is from the top of ceiling until the heater
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
sovietmah
post Sep 10 2013, 12:21 PM


Regular
******
Group: Senior Member
Posts: 1,850

Joined: Nov 2005
QUOTE(hontoni1983 @ Sep 10 2013, 12:14 PM)
Because the pipe is from the top of ceiling until the heater
*
Sounds like not just tiles and pipe need to redo, but the plaster ceiling or somethg else too.
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
idoblu
post Sep 10 2013, 12:31 PM


Stars For Sale
*******
Group: Senior Member
Posts: 3,475

Joined: Feb 2008
*deleted

This post has been edited by idoblu: Sep 10 2013, 12:34 PM
User is online!Profile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
weikee
post Sep 10 2013, 12:51 PM


Look at all my stars!!
*******
Group: Senior Member
Posts: 7,373

Joined: Jan 2003
QUOTE(hontoni1983 @ Sep 10 2013, 12:14 PM)
Because the pipe is from the top of ceiling until the heater
*
Ahh, can it be you already have rain shower with storage heater?
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
annmix
post Sep 10 2013, 01:09 PM


Getting Started
**
Group: Junior Member
Posts: 119

Joined: Apr 2009


dont buy rubine , i get 2 new latest model intelligent series, even with normal pressure the water is just can consider warm.. not hot, even worst when turn on the pump.. just little warm only..

just casing nice but bad quality product ! Not recommande at all..
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
hontoni1983
post Sep 10 2013, 01:49 PM


New Member
*
Group: Junior Member
Posts: 26

Joined: Oct 2012
QUOTE(weikee @ Sep 10 2013, 12:51 PM)
Ahh, can it be you already have rain shower with storage heater?
*
I don't think so...but just want to confirm how a centralised storage heater work? issit for every rain shower,there should be 2 pipes connected to a valve,then u can adjust the heat of the water (which in turn connected to valve to adjust how much hot water and how much cold water mix to rain shower) by turning the switch?

My house currently only have 1 pipe connecting to rain shower.
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
weikee
post Sep 10 2013, 02:01 PM


Look at all my stars!!
*******
Group: Senior Member
Posts: 7,373

Joined: Jan 2003
QUOTE(hontoni1983 @ Sep 10 2013, 01:49 PM)
I don't think so...but just want to confirm how a centralised storage heater work? issit for every rain shower,there should be 2 pipes connected to a valve,then u can adjust the heat of the water (which in turn connected to valve to adjust how much hot water and how much cold water mix to rain shower) by turning the switch?

My house currently only have 1 pipe connecting to rain shower.
*
Don't need two pipe after the mixer, only one pipe after mixer. and depend what type of mixer use some come with one turning knob and piping conceal.
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
hontoni1983
post Sep 10 2013, 02:35 PM


New Member
*
Group: Junior Member
Posts: 26

Joined: Oct 2012
QUOTE(weikee @ Sep 10 2013, 02:01 PM)
Don't need two pipe after the mixer, only one pipe after mixer. and depend what type of mixer use some come with one turning knob and piping conceal.
*
This is why I am angry with my developer,give me a nice shower rain on top of ceiling,but never give me the pipe for centralised water heater. Asking my reno sifu now to see how to do it with minimum hacking of tiles....
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
idoblu
post Sep 10 2013, 03:48 PM


Stars For Sale
*******
Group: Senior Member
Posts: 3,475

Joined: Feb 2008
QUOTE(hontoni1983 @ Sep 10 2013, 02:35 PM)
This is why I am angry with my developer,give me a nice shower rain on top of ceiling,but never give me the pipe for centralised water heater. Asking my reno sifu now to see how to do it with minimum hacking of tiles....
*
maybe got leh, do you see a man hole cover on your ceiling in your bathroom?
go up and take a look. Maybe there is a copper pipe there. The part that you can see usually very short length only. it wont be connected to anything.

or take a look at your controls for turning on the water. do you see a red and blue dot?

This post has been edited by idoblu: Sep 10 2013, 03:50 PM
User is online!Profile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
ccseong
post Sep 10 2013, 04:15 PM


New Member
*
Group: Junior Member
Posts: 43

Joined: Feb 2012
what's an instant water heater? is it those that are mount on the wall type?
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
hontoni1983
post Sep 10 2013, 05:51 PM


New Member
*
Group: Junior Member
Posts: 26

Joined: Oct 2012
QUOTE(idoblu @ Sep 10 2013, 03:48 PM)
maybe got leh, do you see a man hole cover on your ceiling in your bathroom?
go up and take a look. Maybe there is a copper pipe there. The part that you can see usually very short length only. it wont be connected to anything.

or take a look at your controls for turning on the water. do you see a red and blue dot?
*
On my ceiling, there is only one PVC hole which connected to rain shower, and there is no red and blue dot on the controllers to turn on the water,thats why i am very sure there is no built in pipe for centralised water heater,what a shame on the developer...
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
telasdist
post Sep 10 2013, 09:29 PM


Getting Started
**
Group: Junior Member
Posts: 57

Joined: Jul 2013


yes..

QUOTE(ccseong @ Sep 10 2013, 04:15 PM)
what's an instant water heater? is it those that are mount on the wall type?
*
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
ericlaiys
post Sep 10 2013, 09:33 PM


Enthusiast
*****
Group: Senior Member
Posts: 792

Joined: May 2012


Anyone using Ariston Water heater? Any comment
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
IceBikers
post Sep 10 2013, 10:43 PM


Enthusiast
*****
Group: Senior Member
Posts: 755

Joined: Jan 2003


QUOTE(hontoni1983 @ Sep 9 2013, 05:51 PM)
Purchased Alpha Smart 18i from Perfect Lifestyle fair a week ago, and they have came for installation yesterday,this is the first time in my life that i am installing water heater (all the while,my parents refuse to install heater because worry of electricity leakage),and holy shit,they use a PVC pipe to connect the output of my original rain water shower output to the heater input, and now, I can see the whole PVC pipe naked on the tiles which is about 2 meter long.....

Oh my god,i really can't accept that after spent so much of money to renovate the house,and the ugly part appear in the toilet!!! Really learnt my lesson, anybody here got idea how to overcome this?? except drill hole and put the pipe inside, and redo the tiles??
*
you may change to useflexi hose and a water way instead like mine:
Picture Here
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
sovietmah
post Sep 11 2013, 10:23 AM


Regular
******
Group: Senior Member
Posts: 1,850

Joined: Nov 2005
QUOTE(IceBikers @ Sep 10 2013, 10:43 PM)
you may change to useflexi hose and a water way instead like mine:
Picture Here
*
Ya this one looks much more better..
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
weikee
post Sep 11 2013, 10:25 AM


Look at all my stars!!
*******
Group: Senior Member
Posts: 7,373

Joined: Jan 2003
QUOTE(idoblu @ Sep 10 2013, 09:52 AM)
oh man thats tragic sad.gif
*
Lucky the relative from Japan have come over and will take care the baby. RIP the parent.
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
ozak
post Sep 11 2013, 10:51 AM


Look at all my stars!!
*******
Group: Senior Member
Posts: 6,735

Joined: Jan 2005


QUOTE(weikee @ Sep 11 2013, 10:25 AM)
Lucky the relative from Japan have come over and will take care the baby. RIP the parent.
*
News said it is a haunted block. sweat.gif
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
petlu28
post Sep 11 2013, 10:57 AM


Look at all my stars!!
*******
Group: Senior Member
Posts: 3,389

Joined: Dec 2010
don't scare ppl lor.

QUOTE(ozak @ Sep 11 2013, 10:51 AM)
News said it is a haunted block.  sweat.gif
*
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
ccseong
post Sep 11 2013, 12:57 PM


New Member
*
Group: Junior Member
Posts: 43

Joined: Feb 2012
QUOTE(telasdist @ Sep 10 2013, 09:29 PM)
yes..
*
isn't that the typical water heater that mostly everyone uses? than we're not safe liao??
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
hontoni1983
post Sep 11 2013, 01:01 PM


New Member
*
Group: Junior Member
Posts: 26

Joined: Oct 2012
QUOTE(IceBikers @ Sep 10 2013, 10:43 PM)
you may change to useflexi hose and a water way instead like mine:
Picture Here
*
Ya,looks much better,definitely better than ugly grey colour PVC pipe...
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
IceBikers
post Sep 11 2013, 05:41 PM


Enthusiast
*****
Group: Senior Member
Posts: 755

Joined: Jan 2003


QUOTE(hontoni1983 @ Sep 11 2013, 01:01 PM)
Ya,looks much better,definitely better than ugly grey colour PVC pipe...
*
You can DIY, get a flexi hose and a water way.. but check how the contractor do the pipe outlet first.
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
callmefifi
post Sep 14 2013, 01:46 AM


New Member
*
Group: Junior Member
Posts: 27

Joined: Apr 2010
wanted to buy a water heater for my grandma but worry she kena "shot" by electricity leakage, then i also gg..
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
jchong
post Sep 14 2013, 08:08 AM


****************
*******
Group: Senior Member
Posts: 5,611

Joined: Nov 2005
QUOTE(weikee @ Sep 10 2013, 07:12 AM)
Got so much worry use gas lo. Even solar you risk lightning.
*
What kind of lightning risk for solar heaters? You mean risk of lightning hitting the solar panel?
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
weikee
post Sep 14 2013, 08:26 AM


Look at all my stars!!
*******
Group: Senior Member
Posts: 7,373

Joined: Jan 2003
QUOTE(jchong @ Sep 14 2013, 08:08 AM)
What kind of lightning risk for solar heaters? You mean risk of lightning hitting the solar panel?
*
Yes, and also roof support. And Don't forget many solar panel come with backup heating element too.
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
kitkat
post Oct 20 2013, 05:25 PM


I Have a Dream......
******
Group: Senior Member
Posts: 1,452

Joined: Jan 2003
hi, i wonder can i install the water heater with pump by using the water from tangki.

is the water pressure from tangki + pump enough for shower

user posted image

thanks.

This post has been edited by kitkat: Oct 20 2013, 05:25 PM
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
stevie8
post Oct 20 2013, 07:02 PM


Regular
******
Group: Senior Member
Posts: 1,290

Joined: Jun 2009
QUOTE(kitkat @ Oct 20 2013, 05:25 PM)
hi, i wonder can i install the water heater with pump by using the water from tangki.

is the water pressure from tangki + pump enough for shower

user posted image

thanks.
*
It doesn't matter the height of the tangki when you have a pump. It all depends on the force of the pump. Normally a pump would work for a shower. Alternatively you can buy a heater comes with a pump.
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
kitkat
post Oct 20 2013, 07:49 PM


I Have a Dream......
******
Group: Senior Member
Posts: 1,452

Joined: Jan 2003
QUOTE(stevie8 @ Oct 20 2013, 07:02 PM)
It doesn't matter the height of the tangki when you have a pump. It all depends on the force of the pump. Normally a pump would work for a shower. Alternatively you can buy a heater comes with a pump.
*
thanks for your advice. the higher the tangki, the higher the water pressure.
I plan to install this, joven 880P for rm370.

http://www.joven-electric.com/product_deta...d=2&series_id=8

This post has been edited by kitkat: Oct 20 2013, 07:54 PM
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
stevie8
post Oct 20 2013, 09:35 PM


Regular
******
Group: Senior Member
Posts: 1,290

Joined: Jun 2009
QUOTE(kitkat @ Oct 20 2013, 07:49 PM)
thanks for your advice. the higher the tangki, the higher the water pressure.
I plan to install this, joven 880P for rm370.

http://www.joven-electric.com/product_deta...d=2&series_id=8
*
It is a good buy. Just make sure you have the right power point for it and not shared.
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
kitkat
post Oct 20 2013, 09:45 PM


I Have a Dream......
******
Group: Senior Member
Posts: 1,452

Joined: Jan 2003
QUOTE(stevie8 @ Oct 20 2013, 09:35 PM)
It is a good buy. Just make sure you have the right power point for it and not shared.
*
i sharing the power point with one fluorescent light (short one, 2 feet long)
I hope enough. smile.gif
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
stevie8
post Oct 20 2013, 10:00 PM


Regular
******
Group: Senior Member
Posts: 1,290

Joined: Jun 2009
QUOTE(kitkat @ Oct 20 2013, 09:45 PM)
i sharing the power point with one fluorescent light (short one, 2 feet long)
I hope enough.  smile.gif
*
It is ok sharing with a light which consume little power. 2 feet type is 20 watt and plus its ballast maybe takes another 20 watts. Total not more than 40 watts compare to 3kw a power point can support.
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
kitkat
post Oct 20 2013, 10:06 PM


I Have a Dream......
******
Group: Senior Member
Posts: 1,452

Joined: Jan 2003
QUOTE(stevie8 @ Oct 20 2013, 10:00 PM)
It is ok sharing with a light which consume little power. 2 feet type is 20 watt and plus its ballast maybe takes another 20 watts. Total not more than 40 watts compare to 3kw a power point can support.
*
water pressure is the only thing i worry.
anyway thanks for your advice, will go ahead. smile.gif
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
weikee
post Oct 20 2013, 11:16 PM


Look at all my stars!!
*******
Group: Senior Member
Posts: 7,373

Joined: Jan 2003
QUOTE(stevie8 @ Oct 20 2013, 10:00 PM)
It is ok sharing with a light which consume little power. 2 feet type is 20 watt and plus its ballast maybe takes another 20 watts. Total not more than 40 watts compare to 3kw a power point can support.
*
Ballast where got use that much of wattage.
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
weikee
post Oct 20 2013, 11:17 PM


Look at all my stars!!
*******
Group: Senior Member
Posts: 7,373

Joined: Jan 2003
QUOTE(kitkat @ Oct 20 2013, 10:06 PM)
water pressure is the only thing i worry.
anyway thanks for your advice, will go ahead.  smile.gif
*
Water pressure will not good when coming from the tank. Unless your tank are locate higher.
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
kitkat
post Oct 20 2013, 11:31 PM


I Have a Dream......
******
Group: Senior Member
Posts: 1,452

Joined: Jan 2003
QUOTE(weikee @ Oct 20 2013, 11:17 PM)
Water pressure will not good when coming from the tank. Unless your tank are locate higher.
*
I believe so, hence hope that the pump will help....
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
stevie8
post Oct 21 2013, 09:26 AM


Regular
******
Group: Senior Member
Posts: 1,290

Joined: Jun 2009
QUOTE(kitkat @ Oct 20 2013, 11:31 PM)
I believe so, hence hope that the pump will help....
*
Alternatively you can connect the heater to direct main water pipe. The direct main pipe is the pipe that fill your tank to the float. Also you can have the option connecting to both with stop valves but only one can be use at a time. Never forget not to turn both on, if you do so the your tank will overflow.
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
stevie8
post Oct 21 2013, 09:40 AM


Regular
******
Group: Senior Member
Posts: 1,290

Joined: Jun 2009
However, you can add a non return valve for safety preventing tank overflow or can use both tank and direct. When there is no water supply to tank the heater will draw water from the tank.
Attached Image
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
stevie8
post Oct 21 2013, 10:47 AM


Regular
******
Group: Senior Member
Posts: 1,290

Joined: Jun 2009
QUOTE(weikee @ Oct 20 2013, 11:16 PM)
Ballast where got use that much of wattage.
*
Weikee,

If you are referring to electronic or a good ballast you are right. But in here we have to assume inefficient ballast for max calculation. See this web page: http://cannabis.com/growing/electric-How_M...really_use.html

It said, "....A good ballast will have a power factor above 0.9 (i.e. more than 90% of the power it draws is used to power the bulb). Cheaper (lower quality) ballasts often have power factors of 0.5 or less. That's right, only half of the power gets to the bulb. So a 150W lamp would be drawing 300W of power."...
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
weikee
post Oct 21 2013, 11:03 AM


Look at all my stars!!
*******
Group: Senior Member
Posts: 7,373

Joined: Jan 2003
Not that much in term if wastage. Power factor affect current not watt hour(energy). That is the same trick the so call energy saving device seller con people. They measure by power factor but not energy use. You see they always use ballast to show how inefficient the light can be, and switch on the magic device tada current drop and look like lots if saving. But that only playing with power factor not true energy usage. These base on my limited e&e knowledge I learned sometime back. Most of the technical calculation gip back to the colleague already.

Think a good conventional ballast is around 0.7+

QUOTE(stevie8 @ Oct 21 2013, 10:47 AM)
Weikee,

If you are referring to electronic or a good ballast you are right. But in here we have to assume inefficient ballast for max calculation. See this web page: http://cannabis.com/growing/electric-How_M...really_use.html

It said, "....A good ballast will have a power factor above 0.9 (i.e. more than 90% of the power it draws is used to power the bulb). Cheaper (lower quality) ballasts often have power factors of 0.5 or less. That's right, only half of the power gets to the bulb. So a 150W lamp would be drawing 300W of power."...
*
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
stevie8
post Oct 21 2013, 11:04 AM


Regular
******
Group: Senior Member
Posts: 1,290

Joined: Jun 2009
Kitkat,

Click the image for more explanation.

Attached Image
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
stevie8
post Oct 21 2013, 11:09 AM


Regular
******
Group: Senior Member
Posts: 1,290

Joined: Jun 2009
Never connect the non-return valve outside the tank between the outlet pipe. This is because nothing last forever, when you need to change you have problem unless your connection is a union. By installing the non return valve in the tank outlet pipe (as shown in the diagram posted above) you can change it easily by just unscrew it and put the new replacement.
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
weikee
post Oct 21 2013, 11:14 AM


Look at all my stars!!
*******
Group: Senior Member
Posts: 7,373

Joined: Jan 2003
Need to use good quality valve, never use PVC valve.
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
daz55
post Oct 21 2013, 11:21 AM


New Member
*
Group: Junior Member
Posts: 30

Joined: Mar 2008


Anyone tried Seers instant water heater ?

http://seers.com.my/our-product/instant-water-heater

appreciate feedback.
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
stevie8
post Oct 21 2013, 11:23 AM


Regular
******
Group: Senior Member
Posts: 1,290

Joined: Jun 2009
Non- return valves
Attached Image Attached Image

Union
A union consists of 3 separate pieces + a rubber ring. To connect screw to hand tight. to disconnect unscrew it, you can then change the non-return valve.
Attached Image
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
*StarGazer*
post Oct 21 2013, 11:27 AM


Getting Started
**
Group: Junior Member
Posts: 246

Joined: Sep 2013
QUOTE(daz55 @ Oct 21 2013, 11:21 AM)
Anyone tried Seers instant water heater ?

http://seers.com.my/our-product/instant-water-heater

appreciate feedback.
*
I placed a deposit at HomeDec for DC-Heater yesterday. Based on what the sales person mentioned and demonstrated, I'm quite convinced. Main features - low power consumption 350-750watts vs conventional 3000watts, no heating elements hence no risk of electrical shock. A fiend of mine bought the same brand at last year's HomeDec and have no complaints to-date.
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
daz55
post Oct 21 2013, 11:47 AM


New Member
*
Group: Junior Member
Posts: 30

Joined: Mar 2008


QUOTE(*StarGazer* @ Oct 21 2013, 11:27 AM)
I placed a deposit at HomeDec for DC-Heater yesterday.  Based on what the sales person mentioned and demonstrated, I'm quite convinced. Main features - low power consumption 350-750watts vs conventional 3000watts, no heating elements hence no risk of electrical shock. A fiend of mine bought the same brand at last year's HomeDec and have no complaints to-date.
*
Hi,
Are you getting the tank water heater or the instant water heater ?

How much is the unit with pump ?
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
lil^pig
post Oct 21 2013, 11:59 AM


New Member
*
Group: Junior Member
Posts: 44

Joined: Nov 2006
Hi guys,

i always wonder does water heaters with pump increase water pressure significantly? is it really necessary to get 1 with pump? looking at normal water heaters vs. with pump, price is almost half.


User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
weikee
post Oct 21 2013, 12:19 PM


Look at all my stars!!
*******
Group: Senior Member
Posts: 7,373

Joined: Jan 2003
QUOTE(*StarGazer* @ Oct 21 2013, 11:27 AM)
I placed a deposit at HomeDec for DC-Heater yesterday.  Based on what the sales person mentioned and demonstrated, I'm quite convinced. Main features - low power consumption 350-750watts vs conventional 3000watts, no heating elements hence no risk of electrical shock. A fiend of mine bought the same brand at last year's HomeDec and have no complaints to-date.
*
I wonder how does it work, did they give you the time required to heat up the water from 24c to 50c for the given storage capacity? If reduce power, the time will have to increase.
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
*StarGazer*
post Oct 21 2013, 12:26 PM


Getting Started
**
Group: Junior Member
Posts: 246

Joined: Sep 2013
QUOTE(weikee @ Oct 21 2013, 12:19 PM)
I wonder how does it work, did they give you the time required to heat up the water from 24c to 50c for the given storage capacity? If reduce power, the time will have to increase.
*
Sales person mentioned that it only takes less than 5 min to heat up IF the switch has been switched off earlier. Unlike conventional ways, she advised to keep the switch on 24/7 (cos it's low power consumption) unless you intend to go for holidays. She had a demo on the plate which is used in their water heaters. With just a little voltage from the cell battery, the plate took merely few seconds to heat up.
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
*StarGazer*
post Oct 21 2013, 12:28 PM


Getting Started
**
Group: Junior Member
Posts: 246

Joined: Sep 2013
QUOTE(daz55 @ Oct 21 2013, 11:47 AM)
Hi, 
Are you getting the tank water heater or the instant water heater ?

How much is the unit with pump ?
*
I am getting the tank heater. If not mistaken, the instant water heater is RM799 with pump
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
daz55
post Oct 21 2013, 12:29 PM


New Member
*
Group: Junior Member
Posts: 30

Joined: Mar 2008


QUOTE(*StarGazer* @ Oct 21 2013, 12:26 PM)
Sales person mentioned that it only takes less than 5 min to heat up IF the switch has been switched off earlier.  Unlike conventional ways, she advised to keep the switch on 24/7 (cos it's low power consumption) unless you intend to go for holidays. She had a demo on the plate which is used in their water heaters. With just a little voltage from the cell battery, the plate took merely few seconds to heat up.
*
So you are talking about the tank water heater right ?

anyone tried their instant water heater ?
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
daz55
post Oct 21 2013, 12:30 PM


New Member
*
Group: Junior Member
Posts: 30

Joined: Mar 2008


QUOTE(*StarGazer* @ Oct 21 2013, 12:28 PM)
I am getting the tank heater.  If not mistaken, the instant water heater is RM799 with pump
*
OK Thanks !

Anyone actually used it before ?
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
*StarGazer*
post Oct 21 2013, 12:33 PM


Getting Started
**
Group: Junior Member
Posts: 246

Joined: Sep 2013
QUOTE(daz55 @ Oct 21 2013, 12:29 PM)
So you are talking about the tank water heater right ?

anyone tried their instant water heater ?
*
Not much price difference between instant water heater and tank (40L) but the tank has more savings in energy. I'll post the prices tonight as I do not have the brochures with me right now. In terms of mechanism, I think it works on the same concept
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
weikee
post Oct 21 2013, 12:39 PM


Look at all my stars!!
*******
Group: Senior Member
Posts: 7,373

Joined: Jan 2003
QUOTE(*StarGazer* @ Oct 21 2013, 12:26 PM)
Sales person mentioned that it only takes less than 5 min to heat up IF the switch has been switched off earlier.  Unlike conventional ways, she advised to keep the switch on 24/7 (cos it's low power consumption) unless you intend to go for holidays. She had a demo on the plate which is used in their water heaters. With just a little voltage from the cell battery, the plate took merely few seconds to heat up.
*
Try off it till it drop to normal room temperature, I have doubt it can heat up in. 5mins for 20L water, if that happen it can go Guinness world record for the most efficient heating element in the world.

Don't forget current is use for heating not voltage. It can have low voltage but high current. I did question them before, the sales agent keep quiet and black face.
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
kitkat
post Oct 21 2013, 02:03 PM


I Have a Dream......
*****