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leeyung
post Nov 15 2011, 06:23 AM

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yeah, find zheilwane, best of the best price ever, I go for Joven i70P, get it from zheilwane at good price brows.gif
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post Nov 16 2011, 10:31 AM

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QUOTE(torkl @ Nov 15 2011, 08:27 PM)
I am using Joven 880P and must say that it is the most disappointing water heater I have ever used. Extremely noisy and cold.
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I heard about the similar issue for the 880P too, I havent install my i70P yet, but from reviews over this forum, it seems to be not bad smile.gif
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post Nov 16 2011, 12:04 PM

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QUOTE(Eng_Tat @ Nov 16 2011, 11:59 AM)
is that with power point? mine is rm60 or rm80 if not mistaken but already got power point
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Only Power Point RM180-RM220, installation additional charges, my wireman install it for me FOC biggrin.gif
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post Nov 16 2011, 12:32 PM

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QUOTE(Eng_Tat @ Nov 16 2011, 12:17 PM)
ic, that power point is conceal or pvc?
last time mine in apt fix 2(2.5mm wires) wh point and 4(4mm) aircond point non conceal/used pvc cover my wireman charge me lumpsum rm550 but this is early 2009 la. yes somtimes wireman will install for free, but piping kena provide sendiri lo.
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mine one is concealed biggrin.gif, btw the 4mm is the recommended for aircon? 550 quite cheap, cuz aircon and water heater the point almost same price
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post Nov 16 2011, 02:28 PM

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QUOTE(weikee @ Nov 16 2011, 01:44 PM)
4mm2, that can power over 30Amps of equipment.
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ic, any references for Amp vs thickness wire? I search around, found AWG (American Wire Gauge) shakehead.gif I roughly calculate, a 2HP aircon 5.4KW

said it is single phase 5400/240 = 22.5A, means I have to go for 4mm at least? 2.5 mm cant?

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post Nov 17 2011, 07:09 AM

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QUOTE(weikee @ Nov 17 2011, 03:03 AM)
2hp don't drain to much current. The number you got is cooling capacity. Not current. 2HP should be less than 2Kw. Please check the current or power input. Is about 10 amp the most.


Added on November 17, 2011, 3:04 am

Depend the length, and also if its expose or conceal. Usually conceal will be less current cause less cooling. But that number is about right. Can still stress a bit more if length are not too long and expose.
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Herm, the KW I found from 2HP Aircon is as below

http://www.panasonic.com.my/wps/portal/hom...MKHCUC18MKH20HP

The Panasonic Non Inverter 2HP deluxe

Under the spec, it is 5.40 kW hmm.gif
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post Nov 17 2011, 11:28 AM

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QUOTE(skng03 @ Nov 17 2011, 08:06 AM)
u scroll down the spec page, u'll see this...
Electricity
Rated Voltage  230V
Running Current  8.4A
Power Input  1,800W

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Woops, sorry for my aging eyes, but was wondering why the current not tally with the power one hmm.gif

QUOTE(weikee @ Nov 17 2011, 09:07 AM)
1HP is 0.735 KW (electrical motor), I'll add 30% for losses. so 2hp = 2x 0.735 + 30%
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Ya, that is the way I calculate, but duno how pana come out with the 5.4kW LoL

QUOTE(Eng_Tat @ Nov 17 2011, 10:26 AM)
wei kee, do you know the normal pvc pipe can fit hw many 4mm wires?
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my wireman using 4cm PVC pipe, I saw can fit 8 X 2.5mm wires

QUOTE(amirsubhi @ Nov 17 2011, 10:51 AM)
i confuse, at first was talking about water heater, then suddenly aircond

lol

anwyay, how about power consumption for water heater,how high it will be
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Haha, sorry, I think i m the one who caused the off topic, btw water heater required 15A cable as typically instant water heater is about 3600Watt (3.6kW)
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post Nov 17 2011, 11:36 AM

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QUOTE(luvimp @ Nov 17 2011, 11:32 AM)
I am using Alpha. Very good. Has been using same brand for more than 10 yrs+ but lately it spoilt so i bought new Alpha. Design is good too.
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what is the specific model of Alpha you are using? I saw the one with Rain Shower, pretty cool but too small for the shower head sad.gif
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post Nov 20 2011, 11:09 AM

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QUOTE(weikee @ Nov 17 2011, 12:23 PM)

Because of losses.
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QUOTE(Eng_Tat @ Nov 17 2011, 04:29 PM)
i am using beebest sp2. but one thing i do notice after prolong used the 2.5mm wires gets warm. if you guys doing wiring i suggest go used 4mm.
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Your wiring is not concealed? How "long" is the prolong used? My friends told me beebest also quite silent if compared to Alpha
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post Nov 20 2011, 08:50 PM

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QUOTE(Eng_Tat @ Nov 20 2011, 08:48 PM)
the wiring is inside the pvc case. i guess >30min of continuous usage. i am using silent pump version, not so noisy and the pressure is better then euro uno.
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wow, means the exposed PVC after 30 mins of usage, u touch on it you can feel it is warm?
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post Nov 20 2011, 10:45 PM

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QUOTE(Eng_Tat @ Nov 20 2011, 09:55 PM)
actually i open up the case and touch the wire. i was doing some things in the another end at mcb. can feel the wire is warm.
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I see, I tot you can feel the PVC is warm brows.gif btw is warm and not really hot right?
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post Nov 27 2011, 10:52 PM

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QUOTE(Jo_da48 @ Nov 27 2011, 08:46 PM)
If you water pressure is good than just off the pump lal...else just have to go alone with the stupid sound... wub.gif
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haha not cutting tree then ok d biggrin.gif
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post Dec 5 2011, 07:31 AM

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Just tested by i70P that purchased from zheilwane, seriously, I m really impressed by the silent sound shocking.gif
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post Dec 31 2011, 08:01 AM

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QUOTE(Jo_da48 @ Dec 31 2011, 12:23 AM)
is all the new modal (Joven or Panasonic) both didn't have option to disable the use of pump any more? Or I missing something on the manual?
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Joven i70P have a side button to disable the water pump

 

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