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post Oct 23 2011, 01:59 AM, updated 14y ago

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Alot has been said bout these 3 cars in various threads. Each car winning various awards worldwide. Lets see what you guys (and gals) have to say when given a choice to buy either one.

When you choose, please use the following criteria as a guide:

1) Price
2) Specs & safety features
3) Engine and transmission
4) Fuel consumption
5) Exterior & interior design
6) Build quality
7) After sales service standards
8) Maintenance costs
9) Warranty
10) Resale value

Lets limit the fanboy comments please. Let this thread be a more mature technical discussion rather than a fanboy playground. So please do your homework before commenting.

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post Oct 23 2011, 02:48 AM

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only one i know is winning awards is ford mondeo

the rest are just ok
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post Oct 23 2011, 02:51 AM

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QUOTE(rcracer @ Oct 23 2011, 02:48 AM)
only one i know is winning awards is ford mondeo

the rest are just ok
Ford Mondeo was launched much earlier. Anyway, the others have won awards too. Google it up.
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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Oct 22 2011, 08:51 PM)
Ford Mondeo was launched much earlier. Anyway, the others have won awards too. Google it up.
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the passat won awards for tech we don't get, the 508 won because it's an improvement on itself not beating rivals
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post Oct 23 2011, 05:42 AM

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You buying car or just want to see the market feedback?
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French vs US vs GERMAN

obvious answer
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demm, i was just about to open a new topic cos my dad wants to buy one among these three. i recommended him ford though. bigger, faster, and cheaper than passat. passat looks too dull.
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then only setback for the mondeo is the odious rear design >.<
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post Oct 23 2011, 08:39 AM

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so which one will be the 1st to hit half price in 3years? hmm.gif laugh.gif
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QUOTE(Sichiri @ Oct 23 2011, 06:18 AM)
French vs US vs GERMAN

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Well, Mondeo is not really a "US" car.
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Mondeo is European, it is almost never being sold in the US.
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post Oct 23 2011, 09:46 AM

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Mondeo of course. Peugeot is still a problematic car and with Naza's rubbish back up service, you are better off with a Proton. Passat is abit pricey, but the weakest point is the dull design and a weak engine. Previous gen of Passat looked better and has a more premium feel.

Mondeo is fully engineered and designed in Europe to distance itself from Ford America - soft rubbish suspension with no steering feel.
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QUOTE(swissprecision @ Oct 23 2011, 09:46 AM)
Mondeo of course. Peugeot is still a problematic car and with Naza's rubbish back up service, you are better off with a Proton. Passat is abit pricey, but the weakest point is the dull design and a weak engine. Previous gen of Passat looked better and has a more premium feel.

Mondeo is fully engineered and designed in Europe to distance itself from Ford America - soft rubbish suspension with no steering feel.
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dont complain on naza after sales service, obviously you know nothing about ford SDAC, and VW is not any better.

so in terms of ASS (after sales service), its a tie, none particularly better, but sdac is definitely at the bottom of 3.
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SDAC mmg not capable. Especially when it comes to the newer Fords. They're probably used to servicing the ford rangers and the old focus and everything. but when it comes to the new ford with dual clutch technology and everything, they're pretty much clueless.
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QUOTE(danny_sp15 @ Oct 23 2011, 10:55 AM)
SDAC mmg not capable. Especially when it comes to the newer Fords. They're probably used to servicing the ford rangers and the old focus and everything. but when it comes to the new ford with dual clutch technology and everything, they're pretty much clueless.
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And which branch of SDAC is this?
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QUOTE(Icehart @ Oct 23 2011, 11:46 AM)
And which branch of SDAC is this?
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Jalan Ipoh. others i dunno. but generally there have been lots of complaints regarding SDAC's capability to handle complicated problems such as gearbox, as highlighted by lots of Fiesta owners in the Fiesta club site.


Added on October 23, 2011, 12:06 pmanyway, since price range is nearing 200K, how about alfa 159? wub.gif

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Looking at performance, Mondeo FTW!
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QUOTE(imperialrealcs @ Oct 23 2011, 07:34 AM)
then only setback for the mondeo is the odious rear design >.<
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rclxms.gif Agreed with you..

2.0L Ecoboost is just simply Awesome drool.gif But there will be CKD Version of Passat.. maybe TS can wait longer?

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QUOTE(Jim.tan @ Oct 23 2011, 12:29 PM)
rclxms.gif Agreed with you..

2.0L Ecoboost is just simply Awesome drool.gif But there will be CKD Version of Passat.. maybe TS can wait longer?
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For Passat, I think the price reflects the CKD version already. Just the early batch is CBU.
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post Oct 23 2011, 01:01 PM

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Get Accord & Camry if you dunwan to be caught in no resale value and expensive maintenance
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QUOTE(imperialrealcs @ Oct 23 2011, 07:34 AM)
then only setback for the mondeo is the odious rear design >.<
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It doesn't look too bad for me.
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The lights look like the one on Audi.
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QUOTE(stimix @ Oct 23 2011, 01:01 PM)
Get Accord & Camry if you dunwan to be caught in no resale value and expensive maintenance
Well im a Toyota fan. But the 2012 Camry was a real disappointment in terms of design. But i think its gonna be a longer wait for we get the Camry since its gonna be CKD Malaysia.
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QUOTE(swissprecision @ Oct 23 2011, 09:46 AM)
Mondeo of course. Peugeot is still a problematic car and with Naza's rubbish back up service, you are better off with a Proton. Passat is abit pricey, but the weakest point is the dull design and a weak engine. Previous gen of Passat looked better and has a more premium feel.

Mondeo is fully engineered and designed in Europe to distance itself from Ford America - soft rubbish suspension with no steering feel.
Hows the feedback from other Peugeot owners about the after sales service? I thought Nasim was doing a better job than Sime Darby. Can someone clarify?
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3 cars depends on your preferences...power and fun of course mondeo....comfort peugeot or passat...passat has more premium badge....but if u looking for a big practicle family car....u forgot one car that beats all these 3 cars in terms of usability, space and comfort....the skoda superb...same engine as passat..less than 10k more...very innovative package...hidden umbrellas in rear doors...legroom comparable to s-class, 7 series (passat legroom is small in comparison)

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that day i first time c mondeo on the road..alamak, i dont feel nice also especially the rear light sebijik macam fiesta sedan

wonder y ppl always recommend mondeo?bcoz of the look or the spec?
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Fiesta sedan rear light was designed to look like a mini-Mondeo.


Anyway...
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Today visited both VW PUG showroom in 222 & Glenmarie, to me in term of outlook and interior design, features, I personally feel 508 is much better and refine. Therefore, my vote for 508!
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funny, although most people voted for Mondeo, and many people out there will probably cheer about how good Mondeo is, but it doesn't translate into real sales figures in Malaysia..... sweat.gif

how often we see a Mondeo on the road? in KL, probably less often than seeing a Ferrari or a Porsche...

wondering why many people persuade other to venture into a particular car brand/model and when they themselves need a car, they get something else..... sad.gif






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QUOTE(jasonlim @ Oct 23 2011, 03:01 PM)
that day i first time c mondeo on the road..alamak, i dont feel nice also especially the rear light sebijik macam fiesta sedan

wonder y ppl always recommend mondeo?bcoz of the look or the spec?
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Have you test drive it yet?
If not, go for a test drive. biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(landlily98 @ Oct 23 2011, 04:19 PM)
funny, although most people voted for Mondeo, and many people out there will probably cheer about how good Mondeo is, but it doesn't translate into real sales figures in Malaysia..... sweat.gif

how often we see a Mondeo on the road? in KL, probably less often than seeing a Ferrari or a Porsche...

wondering why many people persuade other to venture into a particular car brand/model and when they themselves need a car, they get something else.....  sad.gif
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Few reasons.

Segment-D car is dominated by T & H. You can see a lot of people still thought Focus Mondeo is an American car. Some even thought they are Japanese (affiliated with Mazda).

Few people prefer continental. They are scared of high petrol consumption and maintenance cost.
Higher petrol consumption? No. My Ford is running more economical than my previous Toyota Altis.
Higher maintenance cost? Yes. Mainly parts. Rare parts hence higher cost. Supply and demand determined.

Sime Darby sucks big time in promoting Ford cars (they only started doing it since Fiesta).
Have you seen SD aggressively promoting Mondeo on TV & printed media?
What about promotional activities for Ford Focus TDCI? SD is sleeping all the time.

I still remember the older Mondeo was selling like MYR160K++.
It was a very good price. Full import CBU from Belgium. What more can you ask?

Ford is a very good continental car.
They are really a torque king. Those who have owned one know how good it is.

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QUOTE(landlily98 @ Oct 23 2011, 04:19 PM)
funny, although most people voted for Mondeo, and many people out there will probably cheer about how good Mondeo is, but it doesn't translate into real sales figures in Malaysia..... sweat.gif

how often we see a Mondeo on the road? in KL, probably less often than seeing a Ferrari or a Porsche...

wondering why many people persuade other to venture into a particular car brand/model and when they themselves need a car, they get something else.....  sad.gif
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you are so right, there is only 1 mondeo in penang(including mainland), and its white colour.

i can see more panamera than mondeo in msia esp old klang road.
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QUOTE(stimix @ Oct 23 2011, 01:01 PM)
Get Accord & Camry if you dunwan to be caught in no resale value and expensive maintenance
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yup, and you do not need to explain to your neighbour why you made that choice, lol biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(landlily98 @ Oct 23 2011, 10:19 AM)
funny, although most people voted for Mondeo, and many people out there will probably cheer about how good Mondeo is, but it doesn't translate into real sales figures in Malaysia..... sweat.gif

how often we see a Mondeo on the road? in KL, probably less often than seeing a Ferrari or a Porsche...

wondering why many people persuade other to venture into a particular car brand/model and when they themselves need a car, they get something else.....  sad.gif
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None really can afford them, there name carries no prestige, after sales service is generally known to be bad, and te new fad is to be seen in a VW, plus ford passenger cars were only recently reintroduced into malaysia.

The Fiesta however is doing very well
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QUOTE(rcracer @ Oct 23 2011, 04:56 PM)
None really can afford them, there name carries no prestige, after sales service is generally known to be bad, and te new fad is to be seen in a VW, plus ford passenger cars were only recently reintroduced into malaysia.

The Fiesta however is doing very well
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The Fiesta was doing good because there are promotional activities.

Ford passenger cars have always been here.
Remember the old Ford Focus 1.8? That was still a very good solid car.

You, for one, thought Ford passenger car was recently introduced - is the proof of failure of Sime Darby.
Well, Sime Darby just don't give a darn care anyway.

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QUOTE(ALeUNe @ Oct 23 2011, 11:00 AM)
The Fiesta was doing good because there are promotional activities.

Ford passenger cars have always been here.
Remember the old Ford Focus 1.8? That was still a very good solid car.

You, for one, thought Ford passenger car was recently introduced - is the proof of failure of Sime Darby.
Well, Sime Darby just don't give a darn care anyway.
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exactly zero brand recognition.

besides that if you i drive a ford mondeo, people ask 'what is that?', you drive a VW or jap, wah you are doing well friend.
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the 508 looks really impressive..... drool.gif
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QUOTE(landlily98 @ Oct 23 2011, 04:19 PM)
funny, although most people voted for Mondeo, and many people out there will probably cheer about how good Mondeo is, but it doesn't translate into real sales figures in Malaysia..... sweat.gif

how often we see a Mondeo on the road? in KL, probably less often than seeing a Ferrari or a Porsche...

wondering why many people persuade other to venture into a particular car brand/model and when they themselves need a car, they get something else.....  sad.gif
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Have you test drive it yet?
If not, go for a test drive.  biggrin.gif
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not interested with the look..most important no money..lol
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QUOTE(turbocharged @ Oct 23 2011, 04:55 PM)
yup, and you do not need to explain to your neighbour why you made that choice, lol biggrin.gif
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when i got my Fiesta, everyone kept asking "y u no buy vios? y u no buy city? y u no buy inspira?"
i just smile and didnt even bother explaining. now i laugh hysterically when i smoke a vios, city or inspira on the road. muhahahahaha!
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I will still take the VW for its reliability in Msian road conditions.

PUG 508 is a good car,but unfortunately somehow French cars dont stand the test of time well.

As for the Mondeo,no matter how good it is,nobody is gonna buy this car as it doesnt give the impression that its a good car and the FORD name is not that uplifting.
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ecoboost 2.0 wins it for mondeo
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the mondeo is the better looker among the three. but then again, looks are subjective. sweat.gif
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Saw the 508 today, demmm those LED's are gorgeous
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I will still take the VW for its reliability in Msian road conditions.

PUG 508 is a good car,but unfortunately somehow French cars dont stand the test of time well.

As for the Mondeo,no matter how good it is,nobody is gonna buy this car as it doesnt give the impression that its a good car and the FORD name is not that uplifting.
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lol. we can see old vw cars here, and we can see pug 306 or 405 here, so both aged alright.

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oi.. you should be promoting sonata or forte and the likes.. tongue.gif


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funny, although most people voted for Mondeo, and many people out there will probably cheer about how good Mondeo is, but it doesn't translate into real sales figures in Malaysia..... sweat.gif

how often we see a Mondeo on the road? in KL, probably less often than seeing a Ferrari or a Porsche...

wondering why many people persuade other to venture into a particular car brand/model and when they themselves need a car, they get something else.....  sad.gif
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because these ppl talk only no action.. laugh.gif all promote mondeo like dem good but ownself only dare to sit focus or fiesta, maybe sked lost too much money.. biggrin.gif

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i recently just booked the 508 during its launch day. Was looking for a car, booked the Kia Sportage first, waiting list was too long so I decided to try the D segment cars.

First car to test drive was the Mondeo. Before I went to the showroom with my wife, both of us were impressed with its features and looks through the videos and photos, but sadly it doesn't look as nice in real. My wife even went "WTF, s this the mondeo? don't lie!" (yea she couldn't believe it). But 1 thing for sure, the driving and handling was good. 0-100 was extremely smooth, very powerful engine. You can't even feel the gear change when you step on it. Love the memory seat too. The only thing that put we off was the look of the car, especially the back. And the rims that come with the car, looks... uncle. :/ Oh yes, the voice command thing was kind of pointless.

my wife was adamant that I wait for something else, I almost booked the Mondeo. In the next few days, I heard the 508 was launching. smile.gif I went to the showroom during the first day of its launch, I got to tell you, we both fell in love with it instantly. Don't judge the 508 through it's videos/photos, it doesn't justify it in real. Ask those who seen the 508 in real, and compare it with the Mondeo.

Test drive wasn't available, but overall I'm extremely happy with it's interior, the dash board..console (comes with GPS, map not available now but will be retro fitted next year), the rear seats with the quad zone aircond. Lights on the gear knob, the freaking cool door sensors- there's no button or what, it's a sensor. The LED has its own signature, looks like a dragonball tongue.gif instead of the boring Audi LED we've seen often on the roads.

Comparing the interior, exterior and the features of 508 vs Mondeo, Mondeo is being eaten alive by the lion. But won't be your cup of tea if you like powerful cars and you got to chip in 10k more, and less appealing interior and exterior. in terms of legroom / space, don't feel much difference between the 2. I'm around 175cm tall.

I've not seen the VW in real, so not comparing with it. In terms of pricing, PUG 170k, Mondeo 180k, VW Passat 190k.

My pick is obvious, 170k for a nice looking, comfortable and rich features D segment car. How often do you need to step on it, so a 1.6 turbo engine should be just fine, I'm a slow n chillax cruiser biggrin.gif Also I don't really think about the resale value, not like I'm going to change cars every 5 years. Only concern I have right now is the SC, but all 3 of the listed SC, haha, also so-so.

GL.

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good choice on 508, Mondeo, brilliant car, if you like the high power output and larger space, if you want comfort, features and luxury feeling, 508, but just bear in mind the speed will never be the same as mondeo. Because that car can fly. Interior between 508 and mondeo, 508 wins hands down. Mondeo no where near. But because of its pricing, 508 wins again.
But some still say 508 is expensive... I wonder why. probably because naza sells cheap cars, that is why it must sell cheaper.

Anyway, quad zone is the only one available in the 508 at the moment, Also different air cond speed. Rear has auto aircond. Only put off on the 508 is the lack of compartment space to put your nice things like Smart tag, handbags, tissue papers. and so on.

But any other than that i will still put my money on the 508. Feels more luxury.


Added on October 24, 2011, 1:02 amanyway cybermaster, you better wait for the camry 2012, later you regret buying any of these 3 cars.

mana tahu camry 2012 is, 2.5 V6 engine. hehe. with CVT gear box, and For sure is Dual VVTi, but maybe no nice cool stuff like DRL, Quad zone aircond, JBL sound systems, or Bose sound Systems. But i am sure the minimum a camry 2012 will offer is at least, Electrical seats, driver passenger, 6 airbags, or maybe 2 only, keyless smart entry and a nice lcd touch screen that looks like after market. super comfortable suspensions, quiet ride, and 0 to 100kmh, who cares, camry what, you drive at your pace lah, tau keh mah,, no need to rush.

But at least camry is more like tau keh look lah, 508 more executive same as mondeo, Passat i cant categorize, So there you go, which category you fall into.

Tau keh, or executive.

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I went to another showroom to see the Grey 508. I must say the more i see and sit in the 508, the more i like it. This time i brought some friends who were equally disappointed with the Passat 1.8. And they were really impressed with the 508. The specs in the 508 are truly top class. Sitting in the driver's seat surely gives u a false sense of driving a BMW 5 series or Audi.

Did u know it also has an Intelligent Airbag System? Only airbags at the point of impact deploy and you can also have secondary deployment for 2nd impact thanks to a power reservoir which lasts about 15 mins after first impact and fuel cut off. Cool eh? brows.gif

The touch sensor on the doors are also really cool. Imagine locking and winding up your windows just by moving the palm of your hand across the inner door handle. shocking.gif


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QUOTE(sonyman @ Oct 24 2011, 12:54 AM)
anyway cybermaster, you better wait for the camry 2012, later you regret buying any of these 3 cars.

mana tahu camry 2012 is, 2.5 V6 engine. hehe. with CVT gear box, and For sure is Dual VVTi, but maybe no nice cool stuff like DRL, Quad zone aircond, JBL sound systems, or Bose sound Systems. But i am sure the minimum a camry 2012 will offer is at least, Electrical seats, driver passenger, 6 airbags, or maybe 2 only, keyless smart entry and a nice lcd touch screen that looks like after market. super comfortable suspensions, quiet ride, and 0 to 100kmh, who cares, camry what, you drive at your pace lah, tau keh mah,, no need to rush.

But at least camry is more like tau keh look lah, 508 more executive same as mondeo, Passat i cant categorize, So there you go, which category you fall into.

Tau keh, or executive.
Well the Camry was the 1st choice. Have been waiting for it since more than a year ago. But the looks and design were a real disappointment. So unless, a miracle happens, i dont think i would be getting a Camry.

But then again, the 508 is fully booked for the current shipment. The next shipment is only due to arrive sometime end Nov/ early Dec. I would prefer to wait for a 2012 model. The drop in resale value for these cars are really big so waiting a few months will be wise. Plus it gives me a chance to properly evaluate the after sales service and get some feedback from the 1st batch owners.
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I went to another showroom to see the Grey 508. I must say the more i see and sit in the 508, the more i like it. This time i brought some friends who were equally disappointed with the Passat 1.8. And they were really impressed with the 508. The specs in the 508 are truly top class. Sitting in the driver's seat surely gives u a false sense of driving a BMW 5 series or Audi.

Did u know it also has an Intelligent Airbag System? Only airbags at the point of impact deploy and you can also have secondary deployment for 2nd impact thanks to a power reservoir which lasts about 15 mins after first impact and fuel cut off. Cool eh?  brows.gif

The touch sensor on the doors are also really cool. Imagine locking and winding up your windows just by moving the palm of your hand across the inner door handle.  shocking.gif
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QUOTE(sonyman @ Oct 24 2011, 12:54 AM)
anyway cybermaster, you better wait for the camry 2012, later you regret buying any of these 3 cars.

mana tahu camry 2012 is, 2.5 V6 engine. hehe. with CVT gear box, and For sure is Dual VVTi, but maybe no nice cool stuff like DRL, Quad zone aircond, JBL sound systems, or Bose sound Systems. But i am sure the minimum a camry 2012 will offer is at least, Electrical seats, driver passenger, 6 airbags, or maybe 2 only, keyless smart entry and a nice lcd touch screen that looks like after market. super comfortable suspensions, quiet ride, and 0 to 100kmh, who cares, camry what, you drive at your pace lah, tau keh mah,, no need to rush.

But at least camry is more like tau keh look lah, 508 more executive same as mondeo, Passat i cant categorize, So there you go, which category you fall into.

Tau keh, or executive.
laugh.gif yeah hor. i think camry 2012 still best.. laugh.gif
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QUOTE(spcx @ Oct 25 2011, 03:47 AM)
exactly. people really got to get into the 508 before commenting it's over priced / passat-mondeo is better etc. it's really nice, at least for me. smile.gif i booked the pearl white, meh now thinking whether i should get the haria grey instead. lol.
Yes but im surprised at Nasim's promotional efforts. Its almost non-existent. No big banners or the air-columns at many of their showrooms. They should get some ideas from Toyota and Honda. You see their cars being paraded everywhere from banners in common places, non stop promotions at all showrooms, billboards, continous newspaper adverts and even emails.

What has Nasim done? They now have a car capable of making huge inroads into the local car market and yet they prefer to sit and wait for customers to find out themselves and walk in. I stopped by the Peugeot Ipoh showroom yesterday and the salesmen there were virtually useless. They didnt even know that you could operate the power windows from the touch sensor on the door handle until i showed them. vmad.gif

If Nasim wants to be on par with the Japanese makes in the near future, they should start ramping up their promotional activities now.

I saw the Blue and Grey and i would say the Blue is more luxurious. Gives it a real up market kind of look. The other colors are far too common on the road these days especially the pearl white and grey. The grey looks 'tiring' after some time. I dont think its a color that would stand out for the next 5 years.

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QUOTE(ar188 @ Oct 25 2011, 08:07 AM)
laugh.gif yeah hor. i think camry 2012 still best..  laugh.gif
Have you seen and sat in the 508 or the Passat 1.8? Are you from KL? If you have the time, stop by the Peugeot showroom in TTDI. Look for a guy named Husaini and let him give you a tour of the car. Very knowledgeable guy and im sure ull be impressed with the car as i was.

Nobody knows what specs the Camry will come in but surely it won't be anywhere close to the 508, Mondeo or Passat. neither do we know its pricing. Besides, the Camry is only due next year. So for the time being lets talk about cars which are already in Malaysia.
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If Nasim wants to be on par with the Japanese makes in the near future, they should start ramping up their promotional activities now.
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I don't think Nasim can ship enough cars if they start promoting the Peugeot 508. The 5008 MPV is another fantastic car but the wait list is pretty long too.

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Have you seen and sat in the 508 or the Passat 1.8? Are you from KL? If you have the time, stop by the Peugeot showroom in TTDI. Look for a guy named Husaini and let him give you a tour of the car. Very knowledgeable guy and im sure ull be impressed with the car as i was.

Nobody knows what specs the Camry will come in but surely it won't be anywhere close to the 508, Mondeo or Passat. neither do we know its pricing. Besides, the Camry is only due next year. So for the time being lets talk about cars which are already in Malaysia.
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no need to tell me about pug experience ler, am sure in 2005, when I paid 160k for my 407 (when compared to what;s in the market at that time for similar price) I also felt the same way in terms of new car enthusiasm ..

at the moment, I don't need a 508, I already got 2 D segment japs..
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QUOTE(ar188 @ Oct 25 2011, 09:12 AM)
no need to tell me about pug experience ler, am sure in 2005, when I paid 160k for my 407 (when compared to what;s in the market at that time for similar price) I also felt the same way in terms of new car enthusiasm ..

at the moment, I don't need a 508, I already got 2 D segment japs..
160K for a 407 in 2005 was quite expensive i would say. Getting the 508 for RM169 in 2011 with the specs on offer is a good bargain if you ask me. Back in 2005, i would say the Japs would have still been a better choice. Not the same now in 2011. So we're not really comparing apples to apples eh? Go check out the 508.
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160K for a 407 in 2005 was quite expensive i would say. Getting the 508 for RM169 in 2011 with the specs on offer is a good bargain if you ask me. Back in 2005, i would say the Japs would have still been a better choice. Not the same now in 2011. So we're not really comparing apples to apples eh? Go check out the 508.
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during dat time only got previous camry and previous akod.. compared to 407 where got nice ?

no need to lecture me on the 508 ler like never sit 150-200k car before meh.. is this your first time owning such price car?

you go buy the car drive 100-150k milage own for 3years then come tell me again the good and the bad etc, total ownership experience...
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QUOTE(ar188 @ Oct 25 2011, 11:58 AM)
during dat time only got previous camry and previous akod.. compared to 407 where got nice ?

no need to lecture me on the 508 ler like never sit 150-200k car before meh.. is this your first time owning such price car?

you go buy the car drive 100-150k milage own for 3years then come tell me again the good and the bad etc, total ownership experience...
Uve gone on and on claiming this and that and till now you have not answered the main question: Have you seen or sat in the 508 or not?

So far ive seen all your comparisons are based on the 407. The 407 is no comparison with the 508 at all. Both are worlds apart with the 508 a much superior car. What cars have you owned in the 160-200K price range to make comparisons against? Your D segment Jap car is the Lancer GT?

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Uve gone on and on claiming this and that and till now you have not answered the main question: Have you seen or sat in the 508 or not?

So far ive seen all your comparisons are based on the 407. The 407 is no comparison with the 508 at all. Both are worlds apart with the 508 a much superior car. What cars have you owned in the 160-200K price range to make comparisons against?
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I didnt say 508 is bad car ler..

earlier posts, the 407 which i bought then was compared to then 2005 range of cars which I felt was also like now buying the 508 compared to the current crop of cars in the market for the same range.
please dun mix up. 407 (during 2005 time), now 508 (2011 time) ok? not to say in 2011, the 407 comparable to 508 .. LOL..


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Your D segment Jap car is the Lancer GT?
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QUOTE(ar188 @ Oct 25 2011, 12:07 PM)
I didnt say 508 is bad car ler..

earlier posts, the 407 which i bought then was compared to then 2005 range of cars which I felt was also like now buying the 508 compared to the current crop of cars in the market for the same range.
please dun mix up. 407 (during 2005 time), now 508 (2011 time) ok? not to say in 2011, the 407 comparable to 508 .. LOL..
I didnt say Lancer GT was a D segment car. Did you see the question mark after the sentence? So what other 150-200K price range cars have you owned?

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So what other 150-200K price range cars have you owned?
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from the past A33 (sold), 407 (sold), RX8, akod 2.4 , currently teana.
how about you then? what car u currently owned?
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QUOTE(ar188 @ Oct 25 2011, 12:10 PM)
from the past A33 (sold), 407 (sold), RX8, akod 2.4 , currently teana.
how about you then? what car u currently owned?
So whats your comparison between the Teana and the 508 then? Whats your thoughts? Which model Teana?

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eh where in KL you saw the blue???
Peugeot TTDI. Do you know where i can see the Silver?
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So whats your comparison between the Teana and the 508 then? Whats your thoughts? Which model Teana?
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if just the car driving experience, like teana vs 508 , i am sure the 508 will come out more prefered for me as well.. anyway, we see how lor, maybe next year can consider it when sell of the rx8,
but yeah my previous sales advisor from 407 days, already asking me to check out the 508.. laugh.gif like when they asked me to check out the 308T and 3008 and 5008 and RCZ which looks super nice when first see it,
but I give it 1year later, then see if still excited..(if excited then can seriously consider no hurry as I got many cars to drive lol)
cos currently 308T already dun feel so exciting liao compared to when I saw it 2years back in the show room.
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QUOTE(ar188 @ Oct 25 2011, 02:16 PM)
if just the car driving experience, like teana vs 508 , i am sure the 508 will come out more prefered for me as well.. anyway, we see how lor, maybe next year can consider it when sell of the rx8,
but yeah my previous sales advisor from 407 days, already asking me to check out the 508..  laugh.gif  like when they asked me to check out the 308T and 3008 and 5008 and RCZ which looks super nice when first see it,
but I give it 1year later, then see if still excited..(if excited then can seriously consider no hurry as I got many cars to drive lol)
cos currently 308T already dun feel so exciting liao compared to when I saw it 2years back in the show room.
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So any comments regarding the after sales service standards of Nasim?
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Bro if you want to gauge Nasim's after sales you should check out all the Pug 308 threads. That will give you an idea as well as being able to know any of the problems associated with the Prince 1.6 engine.
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QUOTE(gregy @ Oct 27 2011, 09:52 AM)
Bro if you want to gauge Nasim's after sales you should check out all the Pug 308 threads. That will give you an idea as well as being able to know any of the problems associated with the Prince 1.6 engine.
Cant seem to find them. Care to provide some links? Thanks
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Just to list down the spec list on the Peugeot 508 for your info:

1) 6 speed Tiptronic auto adaptive gearbox with Sports & Manual mode
2) 1.6L Twin Scroll High Pressure Turbo (THP) Prince engine with 156Hp, 240Nm
3) Latest generation Electronic Stability Program (ESP)
4) Anti Lock Braking System (ABS)
5) Electronic Brake Force Distribution (EBD)
6) Intelligent Traction Control System (ITCS)
7) Emergency Brake Assist (EBA)
8) Anti Skid Regulation (ASR)
9) 6 airbags
10) Intelligent Airbag System (separate impact deployment and secondary impact protection)
11) Automatic Electric Parking Brake
12) 4 individual zone auto air-conditioning (separate temp controls for both rear passengers)
13) Colour Heads – Up Display (HUD)
14) Auto Adaptive High Beam System (camera activated)
15) Directional bi – Xenon headlamps with washers & auto levelling system
16) Rain sensing auto wipers
17) Paddle Shifters on Steering Column
18) 10 speaker JBL sound system with 500W surround sound amplifier
19) Arkamsys Audio Processing System (creates natural central acoustic ambience plus has Favour Listening)
20) Intelligent keyless entry with finger sensor and push start button
21) 8 way electric power seats with lumbar support for driver & front passenger
22) 7” HD multi function colour screen
23) 10 front & rear parking sensors with visual display
24) Available Space Management system (ASM) (for parallel parking)
25) Speed sensing electro hydraulic power steering
26) Premium leather


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Just to list down the spec list on the Peugeot 508 for your info:

1) 6 speed Tiptronic auto adaptive gearbox with Sports & Manual mode
2) 1.6L Twin Scroll High Pressure Turbo (THP) Prince engine with 156Hp, 240Nm
3) Latest generation Electronic Stability Program (ESP)
4) Anti Lock Braking System (ABS)
5) Electronic Brake Force Distribution (EBD)
6) Intelligent Traction Control System (ITCS)
7) Emergency Brake Assist (EBA)
8) Anti Skid Regulation (ASR)
9) 6 airbags
10) Intelligent Airbag System (separate impact deployment and secondary impact protection)
11) Automatic Electric Parking Brake
12) 4 individual zone auto air-conditioning (separate temp controls for both rear passengers)
13) Colour Heads – Up Display (HUD)
14) Auto Adaptive High Beam System (camera activated)
15) Directional bi – Xenon headlamps with washers & auto levelling system
16) Rain sensing auto wipers 
17) Paddle Shifters on Steering Column
18) 10 speaker JBL sound system with 500W surround sound amplifier
19) Arkamsys Audio Processing System (creates natural central acoustic ambience plus has Favour Listening)
20) Intelligent keyless entry with finger sensor and push start button
21) 8 way electric power seats with lumbar support for driver & front passenger
22) 7” HD multi function colour screen
23) 10 front & rear parking sensors with visual display
24) Available Space Management system (ASM) (for parallel parking)
25) Speed sensing electro hydraulic power steering
26) Premium leather



Well I think of the three Ford Mondeo is still the best looks wise. 508 looks strange, but then again different people have different tastes, and some people still think Camry and Honda looks good.I drive a mondeo, but not the new 2.0 Ecoboost one, the older model 2.3L (bought brand new last year) and i think its an amazing car, i travel between Ipoh and KL every weekend and I enjoy it, the power,comfort, handling...yes it doesnt have ESP but i have no qualms,im a good driver;)...i think for a CBU unit its worth the money, finishes are good, looks great (MANY have admired it and my car still gets second, sometimes third looks)..very continental feel driving it as well...well my point is i feel Mondeo is still the best choice among the three...price wise, looks, power. Was impressed when I test drove the Ecoboost, power was even more amazing. Well just my opinion guys


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Hi Jeygan,

Have you sat in the Peugeot 508 and viewed it at the showroom?

Your 2.3L Mondeo has 159HP which is marginally more than the 508's 156HP but having a much lower torque than the 508. (208<240Nm)

How is the price or power compared to the 508 since u said the Mondeo is better?

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Hi Jeygan,

Have you sat in the Peugeot 508 and viewed it at the showroom?

How much was your 2.3L when your purchased it last year?

Your 2.3L Mondeo has 159HP which is marginally more than the 508's 156HP but having a much lower torque than the 508. (208<240Nm)
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Nope I havent sat in a Peugeot 508 but have seen pictures, and the looks arent enticing. If it looks good for my eyes, then Il bother driving to the showroom. I bought mine for 149k. Yes mine has lower torque but its still considered powerful enuf for me. I am not a racer, just love to cruise at high speed. But arent we talking about Ecoboost?I felt the power during test drive.
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why bother, end of the day you'd just buy a camry like everyone else.

practical, resale value, easy service will win cos its just a tool.
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QUOTE(jeygan @ Oct 28 2011, 04:11 PM)
Nope I havent sat in a Peugeot 508 but have seen pictures, and the looks arent enticing. If it looks good for my eyes, then Il bother driving to the showroom. I bought mine for 149k. Yes mine has lower torque but its still considered powerful enuf for me. I am not a racer, just love to cruise at high speed. But arent we talking about Ecoboost?I felt the power during test drive.
Trust me. The pics dont do it justice. Even the photo on the brochure doesnt look nice. Go see the car in person and sit inside. Then lets see your comments. If ure in KL, head over to Peugeot TTDI. They have a nice dark blue unit there.

yes the Ecoboost does churn out some pretty good numbers.

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why bother, end of the day you'd just buy a camry like everyone else.

practical, resale value, easy service will win cos its just a tool.
Nope. If uve read my previous posts, u would have seen that im not really impressed with the upcoming Camry. Quite disappointed. Plus i dont think im prepared to wait till mid next year. So yes im giving this Peugeot some serious thought. Go check out the car in person. Ull be impressed.
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Nope. If uve read my previous posts, u would have seen that im not really impressed with the upcoming Camry. Quite disappointed. Plus i dont think im prepared to wait till mid next year. So yes im giving this Peugeot some serious thought. Go check out the car in person. Ull be impressed.
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Does any of you check the wiper? The arrangement of the wiper. On 207, 308 and 3008, the arrangement of the wiper is for left-hand drive cars. I'm not sure about 508 though.
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dear cybermaster, it seems that you have found something that you really really want to share with everyone. Yes some of us have sat in the car even before it was launch, But most of us have yet to drive the car on the roads.

I wonder if you have driven one? i havent cause i didnt book any. So no chance. But i have been following this car since it was born. Well everything came true. But then again time will prove the reliability of the car and brand. French are never famous for reliability. Thats very true. Peugeot is betting the 508 to bring back the brand luxury tag but for the moment they are in between. Passat somehow sucks, unfortunately, mondeo carries a batch most of us wont even want to take a look.

But i know your fire an enthusiasm on the car. You felt something that you have not felt in many many years.

Anyway for 1.6 T at 156 BHP and 240 Nm, we shall wait and see what would it feel like, My guess it be sluggish, but not that bad if you dont care about getting to a place in a rush, But one thing for sure, always test this car without testing VW on the same day, especially passat CC and Golf GTI or and VW range, accept Passat. by the way i only hear passat at the moment sucks, i havent even take a look at the car already so many say it sucks. But many say 508 is nice but expensive. Resale value and so on. how i know, i sat at the back of the car for many many minutes in Mid valley last week to listen to the public reaction on the 508, some even say small and cramp. Most never know the special features. But couldnt blame them, some dont even know what is this car. Btw go slam the door of a accord, continuously, and go slam the door of the 508 you will know the built difference. just try, i did that, everyone looked at me. but i know what i was doing. Between the japanese, Toyota Altis has better feeling when slamming the doors.


Added on October 28, 2011, 7:41 pmif you really want to know the public reaction and impression towards a car, go and sit at the back sit, sit for many minutes, as long as you can , sit quietly, and listen to what people say. What they comment. by doing this you can analyze many things about the car you are about to buy. before jumping into conclusion see what strangers walk in impression of the car.

I did that on ford cars. Fiesta especially. I wanna feel the back seat. can i sit in the back sit for many many hours without feeling claustrophobic or any signs of uncomfortable feeling. Why i do that. Because you are the driver you never know how does your car feel when sitting at the back.
You will never know how your back sit sucks. Anyway most of the time i will do this especially when important cars are being launched in the market. Cars that will change the market share.



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Does any of you check the wiper? The arrangement of the wiper. On 207, 308 and 3008, the arrangement of the wiper is for left-hand drive cars. I'm not sure about 508 though.
Not sure. Why?
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dear cybermaster, it seems that you have found something that you really really want to share with everyone. Yes some of us have sat in the car even before it was launch, But most of us have yet to drive the car on the roads.

I wonder if you have driven one? i havent cause i didnt book any. So no chance. But i have been following this car since it was born. Well everything came true. But then again time will prove the reliability of the car and brand. French are never famous for reliability. Thats very true. Peugeot is betting the 508 to bring back the brand luxury tag but for the moment they are in between. Passat somehow sucks, unfortunately, mondeo carries a batch most of us wont even want to take a look.

But i know your fire an enthusiasm on the car. You felt something that you have not felt in many many years.

Anyway for 1.6 T at 156 BHP and 240 Nm, we shall wait and see what would it feel like, My guess it be sluggish, but not that bad if you dont care about getting to a place in a rush, But one thing for sure, always test this car without testing VW on the same day, especially passat CC and Golf GTI or and VW range, accept Passat. by the way i only hear passat at the moment sucks, i havent even take a look at the car already so many say it sucks. But many say 508 is nice but expensive. Resale value and so on. how i know, i sat at the back of the car for many many minutes in Mid valley last week to listen to the public reaction on the 508, some even say small and cramp. Most never know the special features. But couldnt blame them, some dont even know what is this car. Btw go slam the door of a accord, continuously, and go slam the door of the 508 you will know the built difference. just try, i did that, everyone looked at me. but i know what i was doing. Between the japanese, Toyota Altis has better feeling when slamming the doors.

if you really want to know the public reaction and impression towards a car, go and sit at the back sit, sit for many minutes, as long as you can , sit quietly, and listen to what people say. What they comment. by doing this you can analyze many things about the car you are about to buy. before jumping into conclusion see what strangers walk in impression of the car.

I did that on ford cars. Fiesta especially. I wanna feel the back seat. can i sit in the back sit for many many hours without feeling claustrophobic or any signs of uncomfortable feeling. Why i do that. Because you are the driver you never know how does your car feel when sitting at the back.
You will never know how your back sit sucks. Anyway most of the time i will do this especially when important cars are being launched in the market. Cars that will change the market share.
Well for starters, i havent made up my mind. It would have been easier to make up my mind about a Toyota since i know the brand well. But with the Peugeot its more difficult. Yes i agree with the usual sentiments about product quality but then again many ppl have had worse experiences with Korean makes and yet they have done well to reinvent the brand since the past 2 years. Im also particularly worried about the after sales service standards provided by Nasim. Toyota was well known for its service standards and Nasim will not be at par for sure.

For the 508, there are no test drives available since all the first batch units (except the showroom units) were sold out in advance. So all my analysis was based on me spending time viewing the car at various showrooms and getting a feel of it from every angle (ive gone to 3 showrooms so far and spent about an hour at each). Im also researching alot bout the car online though it isnt easy since its quite a new model. But ive tried the dor slamming tactic and the 508 does have a very confident thump.

As for the engine, i dont think it will be sluggish at all. 0-100kmph in 9.2 secs beats even the Toyota Vios (9.8secs) which was well known for its acceleration because of its light body. But the 508 isnt light for sure and it has almost the same power as the newly launched Passat 1.8TSI. Just for comparison purposes, the current BMW 320i does the sprint in 8.2secs but that's expected for a 2L car rite? But difficult to tell how the 508 will perform unless we get a chance to test drive. The earliest chance would be in December when the 2nd batch arrives.

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Just for comparison purposes, the current BMW 320i does the sprint in 8.2secs but that's expected for a 2L car rite?
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320i mana ada 8.2sec? More like 10sec+ la. The one you're talking about is the 320d.

About the wipers its at the right side of the steering wheel.

And to sonyman, I'm experiencing a honda accord 2.0 vti-l that undresses itself, interior wise. Car is 2010. So honda is not that good. And about the door close, toyota and honda sounds similar, ie LG fridge.

I'd prefer the more solid sound of merc and bmw. And the peugeot 508 sounds similar. I'm in a similar position to cybermaster actually. I'm worried about the after sales service.
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As for the engine, i dont think it will be sluggish at all. 0-100kmph in 9.2 secs beats even the Toyota Vios (9.8secs) which was well known for its acceleration because of its light body.
vios 9.8seconds? Vios J manual izzit? but why compare it with the auto 508?
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vios 9.8seconds? Vios J manual izzit? but why compare it with the auto 508?
No. The first generation Vios auto. Im only comparing because you can really feel the acceleration in the Vios so if the 508 is gonna do it marginally faster, how then can it be termed 'sluggish'? If you wanna know sluggish, go test drive the Kia Forte 1.6L. biggrin.gif
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Not sure. Why?
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Err because it's arranged for left-had-drive car. I'm not good in explaining, especially in English. So I just tell you my 'experience'.

The 308 has the same wiper design as Civic. I forget what's called. The left wiper arm is positioned above the right one (the driver side). So the left one will come out first and fall back in last. Because of that there will be water drops on the driver side, courtesy of the last movement of left wiper arm. It's just a small matter but sometimes it does irritate me!
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QUOTE(sleepy @ Oct 28 2011, 09:17 PM)
I'm in a similar position to cybermaster actually. I'm worried about the after sales service.
Ive asked on a number of threads about Nasim's performance, but havent got any replies.

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so does this means in the end, you guys will end up buying Camry. hehe, looks like that is probably whats going to happen. you guys came from Japanese back ground cars. Very very good service centers. Great reliability. headache free. Well french cars or continentals may not be as what you expect in a Japanese car. So you got to give and take. prepare to sacrifice certain expectations. you get great luxury and extreme comfortable ride and handling. But you may loose in resale and reliability issues. So wait for new Camry then only judge if Camry should win all, hands down.

But again, gain some loose some. But ask yourself, which is more important.

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Ive asked on a number of threads about Nasim's performance, but havent got any replies.
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AFAIK, there are two authorized centers for Peugeot. One is directly under Naza/Nasim and the other one is KS. I don't have any experience in dealing with Naza/Nasim SC but KS SC is good enough for me. Never had any problem with them, whether in servicing the car or claiming the warranty! biggrin.gif
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No. The first generation Vios auto. Im only comparing because you can really feel the acceleration in the Vios so if the 508 is gonna do it marginally faster, how then can it be termed 'sluggish'? If you wanna know sluggish, go test drive the Kia Forte 1.6L. biggrin.gif
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so does this means in the end, you guys will end up buying Camry. hehe, looks like that is probably whats going to happen. you guys came from Japanese back ground cars. Very very good service centers. Great reliability. headache free. Well french cars or continentals may not be as what you expect in a Japanese car. So you got to give and take. prepare to sacrifice certain expectations. you get great luxury and extreme comfortable ride and handling. But you may loose in resale and reliability issues. So wait for new Camry then only judge if Camry should win all, hands down.

But again, gain some loose some. But ask yourself, which is more important.

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Yes i agree. If i were to leave Toyota, it would involve a massive change of mindset. But i think that Toyota is taking its customers for a ride by providing cars which are expensive but with far less tech and inferior handling compared to the European makes. But then again, Toyota's brand comes with excellent build quality, reliability and great resale value. 3 major factors for us in Malaysia who are cursed with having to pay sky high prices for our cars.

I would have still gone with the Camry (which i have been following closely for the past 1.5 yrs) but the design was a major disappointment. Instead of moving forward, they actually moved backward with the 2012 model. The same as what Honda did with the upcoming Civic.
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QUOTE(Pogostik @ Oct 28 2011, 09:33 PM)
AFAIK, there are two authorized centers for Peugeot. One is directly under Naza/Nasim and the other one is KS. I don't have any experience in dealing with Naza/Nasim SC but KS SC is good enough for me. Never had any problem with them, whether in servicing the car or claiming the warranty!  biggrin.gif
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KS u got claim gearbox before or not? the best for me was PJ Bluebox., gave me 2 new AL4 replacements until they ran out of new gearboxes.. biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(ar188 @ Oct 28 2011, 09:38 PM)
4spd auto or 6spd?  biggrin.gif
Not sure. Maybe the 4 speed. But 4 or 6 speed will not affect acceleration from 0-100kmph rite?

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QUOTE(ar188 @ Oct 28 2011, 09:39 PM)
KS u got claim gearbox before or not? the best for me was PJ Bluebox., gave me 2 new AL4 replacements until they ran out of new gearboxes..  biggrin.gif
Why did u have to change gearboxes? What car model?

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Yes i agree. If i were to leave Toyota, it would involve a massive change of mindset. But i think that Toyota is taking its customers for a ride by providing cars which are expensive but with far less tech and inferior handling compared to the European makes. But then again, Toyota's brand comes with excellent build quality, reliability and great resale value. 3 major factors for us in Malaysia who are cursed with having to pay sky high prices for our cars.

I would have still gone with the Camry (which i have been following closely for the past 1.5 yrs) but the design was a major disappointment. Instead of moving forward, they actually moved backward with the 2012 model. The same as what Honda did with the upcoming Civic.
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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Oct 28 2011, 09:42 PM)
Why did u have to change gearboxes? What car model?
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aiyoh.. told you about my cars already mah.. few days ago.. tongue.gif

the 407 ler.. (they couldn't find the source of problem so french side say change the whole gearbox..)

then 1year later the problem came out again, then change again, 3rd time run out of al4.. so try decided to really troubleshoot.. finally found the problem, not even gearbox lol..


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Not sure. Maybe the 4 speed. But 4 or 6 speed will not affect acceleration from 0-100kmph rite?
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of coz it will 4 is too less, 5-6is about rite....

but too many gears also will slow down the 0-100 time for lower powered cars.. spend too much time shifting and engine cut power during shift..

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aiyoh.. told you about my cars already mah.. few days ago.. tongue.gif

the 407 ler.. (they couldn't find the source of problem so french side say change the whole gearbox..)

then 1year later the problem came out again, then change again, 3rd time run out of al4.. so try decided to really troubleshoot.. finally found the problem, not even gearbox lol..
Tell me more about the problem please. When it started and how was their response.
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of coz it will 4 is too less, 5-6is about rite....
but too many gears also will slow down the 0-100 time for lower powered cars.. spend too much time shifting and  engine cut power during shift..
But to test sluggishness, you're testing from the start so ull only probably be hitting max 2nd/3rd gear. By then ull know if the car is sluggish or not. You wont need to reach the 4th or 6th gear to know.

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Tell me more about the problem please. When it started and how was their response.
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when free will tell more, most of the SC taichi problem stories already forgotten since i started driving back jap cars .. biggrin.gif
i just know normal schedule change oil need morning put in , evening take car.. lol.. dem slo mo..
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But to test sluggishness, you're testing from the start so ull only probably be hitting max 2nd/3rd gear. By then ull know if the car is sluggish or not. You wont need to reach the 4th or 6th gear to know.
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depends on car engine tuning and each individual gear ratios, like for example, myvi 1.3 and vios 1.5 auto dugong, 1-2gear dem responsive wan like driving 1.6-1.8L auto car liddat, while my swift 1st to 2nd gear, dun feel the kick, but at >100 it will accelerate and pull strongly until over 180km, cos the rpm meter is still rising while speedometer stop at 180kmh..
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KS u got claim gearbox before or not? the best for me was PJ Bluebox., gave me 2 new AL4 replacements until they ran out of new gearboxes..  biggrin.gif
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I don't know because I'd never claim a gearbox biggrin.gif And also, I don't know or hear any 308 owners claiming a gearbox before.
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QUOTE(ar188 @ Oct 28 2011, 09:52 PM)
depends on car engine tuning and each individual gear ratios, like for example, myvi 1.3 and vios 1.5 auto dugong, 1-2gear dem responsive wan like driving 1.6-1.8L auto car liddat, while my swift 1st to 2nd gear, dun feel the kick, but at >100 it will accelerate and pull strongly until over 180km, cos the rpm meter is still rising while speedometer stop at 180kmh..
Thats the torque in action. The Vios has got a higher HP to weight ratio but low torque. Thats why its got good acceleration when light but fill it up with passengers and u feel the lag.

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but i wanna ask you guys in general, what did you really like about the 508?

let me share with you what i like,

first, the looks. a killer, nice front sexy back. Second, interior. it feels like audi, my dream car, especially 508 comes with that center console.

The seat, i like the 508 compare to mondeo, mondeo seat is a bit more bucket, making long journey a bit tiring.

power, i like mondeo better, by looking at specs and test driving one.
508, well got to wait next year to know.

features, i must say 508 is a little bit more nicer. But mondeo dont loose much.

for car entry and exit, 508 wins hands down, mondeo still got to press button when exiting. 508, slide ur finger at the side of the handle, and thats cool.

508 has the HUD, mondeo dont have.

legroom space, mondeo wins all, camry accord, merc, all not even near.

so in the end where will i put my money, probably 508, cause it is cheapest among the 3. with the better interior specs.


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QUOTE(Pogostik @ Oct 28 2011, 09:57 PM)
I don't know because I'd never claim a gearbox  biggrin.gif  And also, I don't know or hear any 308 owners claiming a gearbox before.
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im not sure how much it cost yet but the citroen c5 is quite a looker. more options perhaps
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c5 is a bit more expensive and very much less accepted compare to peugeot. plus Malaysian c5 has very much less function and luxury feel compare to 508
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QUOTE(sonyman @ Oct 28 2011, 10:14 PM)
but i wanna ask you guys in general, what did you really like about the 508?

let me share with you what i like,

first, the looks. a killer, nice front sexy back. Second, interior. it feels like audi, my dream car, especially 508 comes with that center console.

The seat, i like the 508 compare to mondeo, mondeo seat is a bit more bucket, making long journey a bit tiring.

power, i like mondeo better, by looking at specs and test driving one.
508, well got to wait next year to know.

features, i must say 508 is a little bit more nicer. But mondeo dont loose much.

for car entry and exit, 508 wins hands down, mondeo still got to press button when exiting. 508, slide ur finger at the side of the handle, and thats cool.

508 has the HUD, mondeo dont have.

legroom space, mondeo wins all, camry accord, merc, all not even near.

so in the end where will i put my money, probably 508, cause it is cheapest among the 3. with the better interior specs.
I have similar thoughts. For me 3 main factors are drawing me to the Peugeot 508:

1) Specs - really top class. Even the Passat 1.8TSI lags behind in this area
2) External design & luxurious interior - it has this head turner, classy look compared to both the Mondeo & Passat 1.8.
3) Price and value for money

But the factors below cause my biggest doubt in the 508:

1) After sales service standards
2) Maintenance costs especially with such hi tech stuff
3) Resale value

Can someone list down all the specs for the Mondeo and Passat 1.8 for us to view and compare?


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legroom space, mondeo wins all, camry accord, merc, all not even near.
Hows the legroom space of the Mondeo compared to the Sylphy?

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mondeo way way longer i think, sylphy is not bad as well, but i have never compared specs. But sylphy is a C segment, while mondeo is a D segment.

but i would say, roughly about the same sylphy against mondeo.
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my reply

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508- french, new 2012 car, new systems and this car can go autobahn with the whoophing effect. no sound with high speed due to very good design n insulation

mondeo- US-euro, 2011 car, good engine, non looker. draw back is Sime Darby sucks

passat- US looks bad, euro version is nicer. my father who doesnt feel like checking out car- he felt in love in passat euro. 2010 car, good insulation effect. US version have 2011 specs, good mileage.

decision?
y get a 2010 car when u already in the end of 2011, get the 2012 car...be in the future...dun get the past..

dilema?
fear the price might drop and new unexpected problem. everybody knows if u get a european car...tat is expected.

so go for wat u like...that settles it.

ps...if i got extra 40k, ill change my 308T to 508...am be like a boss...wahahahaha
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ps...if i got extra 40k, ill change my 308T to 508...am be like a boss...wahahahaha
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those earliest example (4spd) is going for 80-81k used car price.. (I wonder how much trade in? 70k to dealer?)

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Reg. year: 2009  Mileage: 80 000 - 84 999  Transmission: Both
Engine Capacity: 1600 cc
Accessories: Solar Film, CD Player, Airbag driver, Airbag passenger, ABS Brakes, Sport rims, Alarm, Central lock, Adjustable steering


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But its registration year 2009. Whats the year of manufacture? The original purchase price is RM 114K rite? So a 35K drop in resale value over 2 years? That's about 30% drop.

The following are the latest Peugeot adds in Star Classifieds:

1) PEUGEOT 308 1.6 (A) turbo 2009 / 2010 RM88.8k, RM93.8k 1 owner, under warranty, like new. 017-2823151 / 03-80767926 - 28/10/2011

2) PEUGEOT 308 1.6 turbo (A) 2010, 1 lady owner, panoramic, roof, pearl white, low mile 22K km, full service record, 100% acc free, tip top, RM95,800. 012-6295515, 012-3551577 - 28/10/2011

3) PEUGEOT 308 (A) Turbo 2010 tip-top cond, acc free, l/mile, under warranty, 1owner. RM92k 012-2917126 - 25/10/2011

4) PEUGEOT 308 1.6 (A) turbo 2010 white 1 owner acc free low mile panoramic RM93,800. 016-2214131 / 012-3669957 - 25/10/2011

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c5 is a bit more expensive and very much less accepted compare to peugeot. plus Malaysian c5 has very much less function and luxury feel compare to 508
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i've sat in new c5 before...solid car...very unique and nice interior as with most citroens...180k...same engine as 508...worth paying the price for exclusivity i guess...
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QUOTE(chuakz @ Oct 29 2011, 02:23 PM)
i've sat in new c5 before...solid car...very unique and  nice interior as with most citroens...180k...same engine as 508...worth paying the price for exclusivity i guess...
What about specs? Did u compare?
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no need to compare, C5 Vs 508, 508 wins in specs, anytime. performance, probably similar
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A review of the Peugeot 508 in a foreign website:

Quality, purity, efficiency… the Peugeot 508 embodies the Marque’s new expression in the segment of grand touring cars. With the 508, Peugeot continues its international offensive: produced in France for all markets.

With the 508, Peugeot reaffirms its presence and its ambitions in one of its traditional strong suits, the grand touring car segment. Over a period of several decades, every model in the “40X” and “50X” range has left an indelible imprint on its time: due to a unique blend of style, road holding, versatility and robustness.

The 508 is a modern, forward-looking vehicle, perfectly attuned to the aspirations of customers who have moved with the times: demanding, dynamic and responsible. It comprises of two complementary body styles: a Saloon (with a length of 4.79 m) and an SW (4.81 m). Quality, purity and efficiency are the bywords that guided every aspect of the car’s design, offering a multi-faceted appeal to its owners with emotion as its central theme.

Guided by the search for perfectly balanced and streamlined contours, the style of the 508 suggests a vehicle “sculpted from a solid”, reflecting aspirations of elegance, robustness and build quality.

At the front, the 508 illustrates the development of the Marque’s latest stylistic codes first unveiled on the SR1 concept car, with a single grille rendered in a “floating” style and piercing headlamps with a particularly marked visual expression, like its “LED tubes” visible both by day and by night. Similarly, at the rear, three red “claws” mask three rows of LEDs on the Saloon.

The simple and elegant style of the fascia, the materials used, the meticulous finish, the durability and the technologies deployed (colour “head-up display”, four-zone air conditioning, “hands-free” access and start-up…) add to the exclusive ambience of the passenger compartment. Each passenger enjoys a privileged status thanks in particular to the car’s excellent proportions. The boot too, is practical and accommodating, with a generous volume of 545 litres of liquid (515 dm3 according to the VDA standard) for the Saloon. With the seat backs folded (they fold in one easy movement) to form a flat floor, this volume rises to 1581 litres of liquid (1381 dm3 VDA) for the Saloon.

Environmental efficiency was a pivotal concern from the very start of the project with, initially, optimisation of the car’s aerodynamics (a Cx starting from 0.26 and a SCx of 0.60) and a weight reduction compared to the 407 (despite the increase in size and specifications). Under the bonnet, the 508 benefits from engines offering a power output of 156HP.

From the outset, engineering choices underlying the “W2” project (its internal code name) were based on platform 3 of the PSA Group to obtain a particularly refined “architectural efficiency” with:
-a long wheelbase (+ 9.2 cm compared to the 407), and a generous capacity for the rear passengers;
-engineering choices allowing a reduced front overhang (- 4.3 cm compared to the 407) and a longer rear overhang, paving the way for an improved stylistic balance and everyday practicality (with a significantly larger boot volume);
-dimensions, particularly width and height, permitting optimised aerodynamics.

Optimised aerodynamics and weight reduction were key priorities from the very start of the project, in order to ensure the best possible environmental performance. Similarly, a desire to “optimise weight” gave rise to an “upward spiral” benefiting both the car’s fuel consumption and also its passive safety and dynamic performance. Every design element, every technique used, every part of the vehicle was fine-tuned in this sense, a policy which applied to all area of the car’s fabrication: magnesium fascia panel cross member, aluminium bonnet, laser welding of the roof, use of high-strength steel, engine soundproofing at source, etc. Based on like-for-like engines, the 508 weighs 25 kg less than the 407 for the Saloon.

Quality is another key priority of the 508 design brief. It is the result of a continuous search for the best possible quality at all levels, with:

-engineering choices guided by the need for maximum durability, with a determination to provide a vehicle that stays “fresh” for as long as possible;
-a high level finish visible from both outside and inside the car, with an exclusive passenger compartment perceived by occupants as very rewarding;
-completion of a two million kilometre road test under real-life conditions prior to launch;

Finally, the 508 will break new ground in terms of build quality, following on from the most recent product launches where this aspect has been demonstrated and acknowledged. One of the direct consequences targeted by this approach is a reduction in the “total cost of ownership (TCO)”, a decisive factor when buying a vehicle in this segment, particularly for corporate fleets.

The design of the 508 is guided by the continuous search for perfectly balanced and elegant contours. The contours of the Saloon are free-flowing, without break, interruption or embellishment, from the end of the bonnet to the boot. No ostentatious elements or add-ons are permitted (no windscreen wiper jets, no visible aerials, etc): all surfaces are flush-fitting, with clearances between each element precisely determined to obtain optimal build quality. The overall effect suggests a vehicle “sculpted from a solid”, refining the sense of elegance, fluidity and build quality.

At the front, the 508 shows the development of the Marque’s underlying stylistic codes, reinterpreted to reflect ideas brought to fruition on the most recent concept cars (particularly the SR1). This visual identity, strong and always recognisable, is even more suggestive of power, refinement and technological modernity.

At the end of the long aluminium bonnet, the new Lion identity takes its place naturally at the lead of the bonnet contour. Underneath it, the characteristic single grille takes on a new dimension. It sets the tone for a front grille rendered in a ”floating” style, seemingly detached from the body. This effect is created by the chrome edging, which becomes less pronounced under the “nose” of the bonnet to proudly reveal the branding of “Peugeot”. The piercing expression of the headlamps was also a focal point of stylists. Their interior design is a blend of chromium plated and frosted surfaces. On versions with directional bi-Xenon headlamps, “LED lighting tubes” are visible, each with seven electroluminescent diodes. This gives the car an immediate visual signature, visible from afar on the road both by day and by night. Halogen headlamps are also available as, they adopt a new high-performance and compact “Neo” technology, with a series of lenses bearing a resemblance to cat’s eyes.

The sides of the car are purposely understated, enhanced by the contours of the chrome-edged windows (availability according to trim versions). Visually, the side windows appear to rest on a sculpted body section, itself no mean feat of industrial engineering: a recessed waistline runs the entire length of the vehicle, giving it an unusual blend of power and elegance.
On the Saloon, the entire rear section is designed in one form, the boot perfectly flush with the bumper creating an impression of fluidity, power and control. A horizontal chrome bead on the boot enhances the rear aspect, parallel to the chrome edging at the base of the diffuser which visually “seats” the rear of the car.
A visual characteristic of Peugeot’s heritage is also particularly marked at the rear of both body shapes. On the Saloon, three red clusters mask three rows of 6 LEDs to give the car a unique night-time signature.

The fascia follows to a large extent the stylistic elements of the car’s exterior design: quality, purity and elegance. The design minimises clearances between the constituent parts of the fascia, helped in particular by a multiplexed centre console featuring technology that overcomes the traditional constraints of “ISO” sized equipment. The materials, meticulous finish and studied durability appeal to all of the senses of the car’s occupants: the texture of the top of the fascia, the different decorations, the black lacquered centre console, and touches of chrome… the overall effect is one of refinement and advanced technology free of ostentation.

This extremely rewarding in-car ambience blends refinement and technology with high-tech equipment that enhances the enjoyment of both driver and passengers. A colour “Head Up Display” (with satellite navigation screen), four-zone air conditioning, “adaptive main beam”, “hands-free” access and start-up, automatic electric parking brake, JBL hi-fi equipment.
This ambience is also the result of much work carried out on acoustics and vibration damping. For example, by tracking down noise to its source (acoustic “encapsulation” of power trains), the level of quietness in the passenger compartment is among the best in any category, while this approach also contributed to the vehicle’s weight reduction.

An acoustic front windscreen as standard (to filter noise from outside) and an active damper on the front axle (to reduce engine vibration) are additional elements contributing to the noise reduction comfort of the occupant compartment worthy of a higher segment vehicle.

In terms of practicality, the choice of a particularly efficient architecture allows for a very generous capacity and boot.

Dedicated space
Each passenger enjoys a privileged status, with generous space coupled with dedicated equipment (four-zone air conditioning includes the rear passengers, adjustable seat cushion for the driver and front passenger). Interior dimensions are on a par with those of the 607, i.e. much improved in relation to the 407 (5.3 cm more space between the knees of the rear passenger and the front seat). As a result, two people well over 6 feet tall can be comfortably seated one behind the other.

Generous boot
The boot on the Saloon opens by means of a self-actuating lever (by pressing the plip, a button on the fascia or the “0” of the external badge of the 508. The luggage compartment is practical (solid hooks, luggage net, housing for warning triangle), accommodating (with its strictly parallel-piped shape) and above all extremely spacious. The boot of the 508 has a capacity of 545 litres of liquid (515 dm3 according to the VDA standard) for the saloon.
The 508, according to its equipment level, can offer storage space of up to 22 litres. It has large front door pockets each with a total volume of 4 litres (which can therefore hold a 1.5 litre bottle), rear door panels (able to accommodate a 0.5 litre bottle), a glove box (capacity 9 litres), a storage space under the central armrest (2 litres) and many other “hideaways” according to the level of finish (flap under the steering wheel, closed storage with flap on the centre console, etc).
The 508 benefits from a colour head up display which projects essential driving information from the rear of the instrument panel visor onto a glare-proof translucent smoked polycarbonate panel. The driver thus has access to information concerning speed, cruise control / speed limiter speeds and satellite navigation instructions. In addition to the convenience afforded to the driver on all journeys, long or short, this system offers real benefits in terms of primary safety (no need to take your eyes off the road, immediate focus on the view between the road and the panel). The inclination of the panel and the brightness of the projected information can be adjusted by means of buttons located in the retractable flap to the left of the fascia panel. The panel can also be retracted using these control buttons. The 508 therefore brings to a wider audience a function hitherto unavailable in its segment with a system that locates all information optimally on a dedicated surface.
For the convenience and safety of its passengers and also other cars, the 508 is equipped with the Adaptive Main Beam system which, via an intelligent camera positioned at the back of the rear-view mirror, continuously analyses driving conditions (approaching or following vehicles, brightly lit urban areas, etc) and automatically switches quickly from dipped to main beam and vice versa according to traffic. This equipment is connected to the directional bi-Xenon headlamps.

Directional bi-xenon headlamps with LED signature
Xenon headlamps cast a pure white-bluish light with three times the flux of a standard lamp, thereby improving night driving. Their elliptical module includes a shutter frame to ensure dipped and main beam functions. They are equipped with a directional function which improves vision in corners for safer and more convenient night driving. This function is linked to vehicle speed and adapts to different driving conditions between 5 km/h and 160 km/h. On the 508, these headlamps are systematically coupled with “LED tubes” to provide a visual signature both by day and by night.

neo© halogen headlamps
The “classic” headlamps of the 508 benefit from a new technology called NEO© (New Efficiency Optics). With this system, the light flux of the halogen bulb is around 30% more efficient: more uniform, more intense, more far-seeing… for enhanced visibility and safety. In addition, it allows for an original stylistic integration in the headlamp, with a lens visually evocative of a cat’s eye.

Static directional lighting
Static directional lighting, as standard on all 508s with either bi-Xenon or halogen headlamps, optimises lateral visibility at low speeds (less than 40 km/h) in urban areas, at intersections, during parking manoeuvres, on winding roads… The light beam from one of the two fog lights illuminates the inside of the corresponding bend, according to the angle of the steering wheel or use of the direction indicator.

Ambient lighting
According to the level of finish, the interior ambience of the 508 is bathed in a soft glow emanating from the courtesy light, the footwells and front and rear door cappings… and even when getting into the vehicle (LED spotlights on the door mirrors, door sill lighting…).
The “hands-free” access and start-up system, available according to the chosen level of finish, replaces the mechanical key with the magic of electronic recognition. By keeping the “electronic key” in their pocket (or handbag), users can enter the car (detection from
1.8 metres), start-up and stop their 508 simply by pressing the Start/Stop button. When getting out of the car, simply brushing a hand over one of the handles is enough to lock the vehicle. If this electronic key is accidentally left inside the vehicle then evidently the car cannot be locked. And if its holder leaves the vehicle with the engine running, the key immediately signals this with an audible warning.

Air conditioning comes as standard on all models and, according to levels and settings, can be: manual single-zone or automatic dual- or four-zone. The latter, a new level of specification in this segment, allows each of the vehicle’s occupants to control the temperature setting, air flow and distribution via their own air conditioning control thereby benefiting from optimal, personalised comfort. Regardless of the level of finish, rear passengers have dedicated air vents. With the four-zone function, an additional blower takes over from the main air conditioning unit to ensure the air flow of the rear blowers and efficiently meet each passenger’s requirements by differentiating the temperature in all 4 zones. Furthermore, with this four-zone system the front passengers can choose between three temperature alignment modes using the “auto”, “soft” (more gentle air flow) or “fast” (more powerful air flow) buttons.

Available as standard, the electric parking brake makes driving even more convenient: when starting-up, the hand brake is released automatically as soon as the driver starts to accelerate. When the engine is switched off, the brake is activated, again automatically. If the vehicles stops without the ignition being switched off, the electric control, located within reach of the driver’s left hand, can be activated manually. Manual release requires one foot to be on the brake.

All 508s, regardless of their power train, are equipped with the Hill Assist system. When positioned on a gradient, this function keeps the vehicle immobile for around two seconds after the brake pedal has been released. This makes manoeuvres safer and facilitates use of the vehicle by the driver in forward gear (hill start) and reverse (accessing a downhill parking space for example). The system operates from a gradient of 3%. The ESP then temporarily maintains braking pressure, giving the driver time to lift his foot from the brake and onto the accelerator.

The WIP Sound MP3 CD dual-tuner audio system is systematically combined with a jack socket and USB connector in the armrest to connect a digital walkman (the USB connector is also iPod, iPhone, USB flash drive compatible). It can have a Bluetooth function allowing the user to make “hands-free” phone calls and listen to streamed audio music. The system comes with 6 speakers on the “Access” level of the range:
- 2 tweeters in the upper part of the front door panels,
- 2 165 mm diameter speakers (25 W) in the front door panels, Woofer with Neodyme magnet,
- 2 165 mm diameter “wide band” speakers (25 W) in the rear door panels. The latter 4 speakers use “Coscone” flat speaker technology patented by Denon and Marantz Premium Sound Solutions, making them lighter and more compact.

On the rest of the range, 8 speakers are associated with WIP Sound and WIP Nav Plus, with in addition 2 rear tweeters in the upper part of the rear door panels.

The 508 features a new generation satellite navigation system called WIP Nav Plus which offers numerous functions:
-large 7’’ 16/9 display (WVGA high resolution 800x480 pixels) with perspective view,
-European cartography (stored in the internal memory),
-MP3 compatible front-mounted CD player,
-three-tuner radio with 2 aerials for optimal reception of radio frequencies
-Bluetooth® connection for the hands-free telephone function and audio streaming (music from a smart phone played through the speakers),
-Jack socket and USB connector, to connect any type of digital audio walkman devices (the USB connector is iPod, iPhone and USB flash drive compatible),
-information concerning speed limits in force on major roads,
-risk areas covered by automatic fixed radar surveillance


The Arkamys software featured on the WIP Sound and WIP Nav Plus systems processes the digital audio signal to recreate a natural acoustic ambience. Sound quality no longer suffers from the constraints of speakers being positioned in doors (often resulting in a concentration of sound low down and to the sides): instruments and voices are more harmoniously positioned in space, head-on to the passengers at windscreen height. This system can also be adapted to favour listening for the driver only or for all passengers.
the jbL™ hi-fi system

For discerning music lovers, the 508 offers a JBL™ system with 10 speakers coupled with a 10-channel 500 W surround-sound amplifier. For these 10 speakers, a central channel in the middle of the fascia panel allows optimal sound distribution in the passenger compartment. The JBL™ system includes:
-4 high-power (50 W) 165 mm diameter reverse motor neodyme speakers, 2 in the front doors and 2 at the rear,
- 2 hi-fi tweeters in the upper part of the front door panels,
- 2 hi-fi tweeters in the upper part of the rear door panels,
- 1 central channel in the upper mid section of the fascia panel,
- 1 150 W triple coil bass woofer in the right side boot trim.

More technology that makes day-to-day driving easier: a system that measures available space and lets the driver know the possibility or difficulty of parking in a free space. This function, coupled with front and rear park assist, can be activated via the “>P<” button located on the centre console. It is coupled with the direction indicator and operates at speeds of less than 20 km/h.

The 508 has many more technological refinements to enhance its exclusive driveability:
-length-adjustable seat cushion for the front seats, offering more comfort to taller drivers,
-lumbar massage on the driver’s seat,
-multi-function steering wheel, both practical and technological, to facilitate access to different functions,
-cruise control / speed limiter with the possibility of storing up to 5 speeds for both functions,
-adjustable colour instrument panel matrix, polyphonic warning signals…

Another important innovation: the impeller of the variable geometry turbocharger is now made of titanium, a very lightweight material which reduces the turbocharger’s inertia for greater availability of engine torque, particularly at mid-range engine speeds, and therefore better responsiveness of the vehicle.

Particular attention has also been paid to the car’s acoustics. As well as the engine’s two counter-rotating balancing shafts, the design of its injection system (and its control) to ensure a more subdued engine noise.

Again to reduce fuel consumption, the “voltcontrol” system removes load from the alternator during acceleration, while it can recharge the battery during deceleration. This allows a saving of nearly 5 g/km of CO2. In another optimization, a reduction of engine idle speed (to 700 rpm instead of 820 rpm) ensures a further saving for the user in terms of day-to-day fuel consumption.

Lastly, the overall weight of the engine has been reduced by nearly 5 kg compared to the DW12B, further contributing to the car’s overall efficiency.

In addition to its engine, the 508 incorporates yet another innovation: a new generation 6-speed automatic gearbox, the «AM6». Still developed with the company AISIN AW according to specifications prepared by the PSA Peugeot Citroën Group, this AM6 has been re-engineered from top to bottom to significantly reduce CO2 emissions while favouring dynamism and driveability due to the enhanced rapidity of gear changes.

The new AM6, capable of withstanding a maximum torque of 450 Nm, features several of the technologies which appeared in 2010 on the new “AT6” 6-speed automatic gearbox coupled with the 1.6 litre THP 156 engine on a number of models (including the 508).

To limit the vehicle’s fuel consumption and CO2 emissions, numerous techniques have been employed, particularly to achieve significant reductions in friction losses: bearings, segments, clutch linings, special oil, and a new converter making it possible to drive at low engine speeds... Similarly, gear change patterns in «drive» mode are calibrated to optimise fuel consumption while ensuring the convenience associated with an automatic gearbox.

In the final reckoning, 13 g/km of CO2 have been saved with this new generation AM6 gearbox. Gear change times have also been optimised to ensure rapid acceleration, for example due to the adoption of a direct controlled hydraulic block and an electronic strategy optimising multiple downchanging. In “Sport” mode, a specific calibration improves the rapidity of gear changes by a further 200 ms compared to the “drive” mode.

In sequential mode, the driver has paddles under the steering wheel (as is the case on all automatic gearboxes and the electronically-controlled gearbox on the 508) for enhanced driving enjoyment. What’s more, these paddles can be used at any time by the driver, even in Drive position. The gear lever’s sequential control also allows manual gear changes by impulse pressure (“-” forward and “+” rearward).

The rack and pinion speed sensative electro-hydraulic steering continuously adjusts the effort required, and facilitates manoeuvres at low speed. It fully reflects the Marque’s expertise; precise and informative, and corresponds to two driving styles according to the expectations of their respective customers.

Braking is designed to match the dynamic qualities of each 508. At the rear, the entire range has 290 x 12 mm discs. All 508s come with latest-generation ESP which includes CDS (stability control), AFU (emergency brake assist) and REF (electronic brake force distribution). The ESP also includes Hill Assist and intelligent traction control, which improves the vehicle’s ability to move off and be driven on slippery road surfaces by authorising more or less wheel slip on each of the front wheels.

The 508 benefits from a high level of primary safety, due to its road holding and equipment specification (Head-Up Display, directional bi-Xenon headlamps, fog lamps with static directional lighting, adaptive main beam, etc).

The car is also designed to offer a level of secondary safety among the best in the segment. Its collapsible structure includes high-performance shock absorbers on the front beam, which also allows a reduction in the length of the overhang. Once again, safety benefits significantly from reductions in the vehicle’s overall weight. The 508 is equipped with efficient means of restraint: 2 front air bags (45 litres for the driver and 80 litres for the passenger), 2 side front air bags (each 18 litres), 2 curtain air bags (each 30 litres), five 3-point seat belts (with pretensioners and force limiters at the front, force limiters for the rear side seats) and 2 Isofix fixtures with 3-point attachments in the rear side seats.

The front seats have new “curved” head restraints with integral multi-position adjustment (no fixed intervals in the stems allowing perfect adaptation to each user) whose shape has been carefully studied to take into account the effects of rear collision (whiplash).



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Almost booked the car just now. But without a proper test-drive, I think its not a good idea to go all out blindly. So the SA suggested me to test a 3008 (same engine/gb but heavier). Acceleration is there albeit a bit of delay (turbo lag?), but still the gear shifting isnt smooth. Shifts feels jerky, even when not gunning the throttle. So I'm holding my horses.

But then the 3008 mileage is already 5k+ mileage and is not serviced (the spanner icon pop-up). So I asked for a 308 to test. 308 is 1400km, and feels smoother, but still the jerky shift can still be felt.

I'm confused now. Could this be same case as BMW 320d and 520d? Both uses the same engine and transmission. But in the 320d shifts are jerky while the 520d is silky smooth
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QUOTE(sleepy @ Oct 29 2011, 06:19 PM)
Almost booked the car just now. But without a proper test-drive, I think its not a good idea to go all out blindly. So the SA suggested me to test a 3008 (same engine/gb but heavier). Acceleration is there albeit a bit of delay (turbo lag?), but still the gear shifting isnt smooth. Shifts feels jerky, even when not gunning the throttle. So I'm holding my horses.

But then the 3008 mileage is already 5k+ mileage and is not serviced (the spanner icon pop-up). So I asked for a 308 to test. 308 is 1400km, and feels smoother, but still the jerky shift can still be felt.

I'm confused now. Could this be same case as BMW 320d and 520d? Both uses the same engine and transmission. But in the 320d shifts are jerky while the 520d is silky smooth
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http://www.sgcarmart.com/news/review.php?AID=370
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Yesterday I saw the 508 and Mondeo next to each other in Tesco KB.... 508 wins hands down interms of look and interior... drool.gif

also, the Optima and Sonata different league ah?


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QUOTE(spcx @ Oct 31 2011, 12:11 AM)
Thanks man, I've already booked a unit. Here's to wishing its a good car, as reliable as other european marque (europeans are more prone to breakdowns compared to japanese anyway laugh.gif)
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QUOTE(sleepy @ Oct 31 2011, 03:32 PM)
Thanks man, I've already booked a unit. Here's to wishing its a good car, as reliable as other european marque (europeans are more prone to breakdowns compared to japanese anyway laugh.gif)
Whats your delivery time frame and what color did you choose? Interest rates?
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QUOTE(sleepy @ Oct 31 2011, 08:32 AM)
Thanks man, I've already booked a unit. Here's to wishing its a good car, as reliable as other european marque (europeans are more prone to breakdowns compared to japanese anyway laugh.gif)
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if they build it the same as my 207 here in netherlands, good luck, 20k km only car got plenty bunyi bunyi
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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Oct 31 2011, 03:36 PM)
Whats your delivery time frame and what color did you choose? Interest rates?
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Supposedly immediately upon loan approval (promised by SA). If not immediate, I'll just cancel it. Im taking the aluminium color. Interest rate is from 2.5 to 2.6. So I'm trying to get loan from multiple bank see which one offer the lowest rate.

QUOTE(rcracer @ Oct 31 2011, 04:06 PM)
if they build it the same as my 207 here in netherlands, good luck, 20k km only car got plenty bunyi bunyi
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Hopefully not la. I've visit some SG forum and so far all praises and no complains from owners, yet. Btw the 207 has really bad build quality. I've spent some time in the showroom to take a closer look at the 207. Everything inside looks pretty low quality, looks worse than proton

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QUOTE(sleepy @ Oct 31 2011, 09:48 PM)
Supposedly immediately upon loan approval (promised by SA). If not immediate, I'll just cancel it. Im taking the aluminium color. Interest rate is from 2.5 to 2.6. So I'm trying to get loan from multiple bank see which one offer the lowest rate.
Hopefully not la. I've visit some SG forum and so far all praises and no complains from owners, yet. Btw the 207 has really bad build quality. I've spent some time in the showroom to take a closer look at the 207. Everything inside looks pretty low quality, looks worse than proton
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eh immediately? i booked during launch.. loan already approved. sad.gif SA said got to wait till Dec/Jan. Let me know if you get your car, I'm going to scream at my SA.
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QUOTE(sleepy @ Oct 31 2011, 02:48 PM)
Supposedly immediately upon loan approval (promised by SA). If not immediate, I'll just cancel it. Im taking the aluminium color. Interest rate is from 2.5 to 2.6. So I'm trying to get loan from multiple bank see which one offer the lowest rate.
Hopefully not la. I've visit some SG forum and so far all praises and no complains from owners, yet. Btw the 207 has really bad build quality. I've spent some time in the showroom to take a closer look at the 207. Everything inside looks pretty low quality, looks worse than proton
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our 207 is locally assembled of course it's shit


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tried the passat, and jetta, well i can say passat performance is ok ah.. got some power, not too slow, just nice i would say, Jetta is less comfortable but quite powerful, Both cars are expensive though. I think in VW you are buying the engine and the gearbox,

in a 508, you are buying luxury feeling in the car.

mondeo you are also buying performance. with some nice touch.
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QUOTE(spcx @ Oct 31 2011, 10:13 PM)
eh immediately? i booked during launch.. loan already approved. sad.gif SA said got to wait till Dec/Jan. Let me know if you get your car, I'm going to scream at my SA.
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Wow another potential 508 owner rclxms.gif. Anyway my loan approved already. SA says next week get car. If tipu me, I'm gonna bakar their showroom
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QUOTE(rcracer @ Nov 1 2011, 03:22 AM)
our 207 is locally assembled of course it's shit
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local 207 is facelift 206 sedan mah.. your europe 207 is real 207.. biggrin.gif
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hey this has become a 508 thread man... everyone now talking about peugeot here.
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Hi,

Would like to say that I have booked a 508 myself. Aluminium. I have been looking for a D segment car for a few years. Have not found one until the 508. Was waiting for the Accord 2 years back and, when the car was launched, it was a total disappointment. The price was quite high and the car is basically "kosong". Conservative design, ugly rear light with the typical Japanese circular lights, and the "Ah Beng" transparent plastic light housing. There is a display screen which is getting common nowadays but no GPS, no DVD player - basically the screen is for the radio display. There is no trip computer which was a huge disappointment. I thought I was being a bit picky but my opinion was confirmed by a review in the Paul Tan website which compared the Accord to the Camry and the Teana. Basically, I thought that Honda Malaysia has been taking the local people for granted for offering a "kosong" car.

For the current Camry, it was quite a nice car but not nice enough for me to part with RM175k when it was first launched. I was looking forward to the new Camry but was a bit disappointed with the exterior. Looked so conservative. Very typical Japanese. Looking at the steering wheel, with the two round control knobs on each side, makes me cringe.

As for the Teana, the looks alone is enough to put me off. Furthermore, looking at the interior with the vertical dashboard, I can never see myself putting down the money for a Nissan. Nissan always give me the impression that the car is very "hollow" - with little sound insulation. My previous Nissan has a roof which transmit all the sound of the raindrops into the cabin.

I was quite impressed with the Madza 6 which is fully imported from Japan. The build quality is impressive. However, the price was in the RM 180k range so I thought it did not deserve any consideration, knowing the crazy car prices with the so-called AP system.

Quite disappointed with Japanese cars with the bulbous exterior instead of the sculptured look. The common circular rear light design favoured by the Japanese (and the Korean) as seen in the current facelift Altis and the Accord is tasteless, in my opinion.

Now to the 508. I have been following the 508 since it first appeared in the news. Saw a few on the road in Singapore a few months back. Was impressed with the claw design of the rear lights. Original, bold and interesting. Not the typical Japanese rounded lights or the boring shapeless rear light cluster.

The shape of the 508 is a bit conservative, I must admit, but still has the sculptured look of a continental car. The rear is impressive, though some reviewers said it looked plain. I like the way the boot lid integrates into the rear bumper. Looked so good as compared with some Japanese design.

The interior is of course impressive - almost the class of the Audi, BMW, etc. I like the head-up display on the polycarbonate screen. Something the Japanese will never come up with, I think. The two display gauges for speedometer and rev counter are impressive, clear as the optitron display in a Toyota. This is very important to me as I hate to see display which has uneven lighting. The keyless alarm is impressive. Another impressive feature is the silent interior, according to the reviewers. Well-manufactured cars should have good insulation. I understand that the current Accord is quite noisy because the insulation was reduced to save weight. The only slight disappointment is the bonnet release which is on the left hand side instead of the driver's side.

The doors are solid. But, to test further, I did the slam test on the doors with the windows winded down halfway. The sound is still solid without the glass panels rattling. I did the same for my current Toyota Altis and the glass rattles like hell. Very hollow sound when I slam the doors.

I did look at the Passat but with RM 185k for a plain-looking car, it is definitely a no-go.

Overall, quite satisfied and so I decided to book the car even without a test drive. We can cancel the booking without any penalty later on. This is my first continental car purchase. Yes, I have heard and read horror stories about the quality and depreciation of the continental cars. Not to mention the poor service from the service centres. But I was not impressed with the service centre of the Japanese cars either. When I had to change a steering problem in my Altis in Singapore, I had to go to the service centre 3 times before the problem was fixed. Similarly, I was not impressive with the Honda service in Malaysia for my Accord.

I thought about the 1.6 litre turbo engine for the 508. On paper, it does not looked very impressive. But, I understand that the unit was designed with inputs from BMW and it has won some awards as well. I don't drive fast so the engine should be more than adequate for me.

So, hopefully, the experience of getting a continental car will be a rewarding one.

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Hi,

Would like to say that I have booked a 508 myself. Aluminium. I have been looking for a D segment car for a few years. Have not found one until the 508. Was waiting for the Accord 2 years back and, when the car was launched, it was a total disappointment. The price was quite high and the car is basically "kosong". Conservative design, ugly rear light with the typical Japanese circular lights, and the "Ah Beng" transparent plastic light housing. There is a display screen which is getting common nowadays but no GPS, no DVD player - basically the screen is for the radio display. There is no trip computer which was a huge disappointment. I thought I was being a bit picky but my opinion was confirmed by a review in the Paul Tan website which compared the Accord to the Camry and the Teana. Basically, I thought that Honda Malaysia has been taking the local people for granted for offering a "kosong" car.

For the current Camry, it was quite a nice car but not nice enough for me to part with RM175k when it was first launched. I was looking forward to the new Camry but was a bit disappointed with the exterior. Looked so conservative. Very typical Japanese. Looking at the steering wheel, with the two round control knobs on each side, makes me cringe.

As for the Teana, the looks alone is enough to put me off. Furthermore, looking at the interior with the vertical dashboard, I can never see myself putting down the money for a Nissan. Nissan always give me the impression that the car is very "hollow" - with little sound insulation. My previous Nissan has a roof which transmit all the sound of the raindrops into the cabin.

I was quite impressed with the Madza 6 which is fully imported from Japan. The build quality is impressive. However, the price was in the RM 180k range so I thought it did not deserve any consideration, knowing the crazy car prices with the so-called AP system.

Quite disappointed with Japanese cars with the bulbous exterior instead of the sculptured look. The common circular rear light design favoured by the Japanese (and the Korean) as seen in the current facelift Altis and the Accord is tasteless, in my opinion.

Now to the 508. I have been following the 508 since it first appeared in the news. Saw a few on the road in Singapore a few months back. Was impressed with the claw design of the rear lights. Original, bold and interesting. Not the typical Japanese rounded lights or the boring shapeless rear light cluster.

The shape of the 508 is a bit conservative, I must admit, but still has the sculptured look of a continental car. The rear is impressive, though some reviewers said it looked plain. I like the way the boot lid integrates into the rear bumper. Looked so good as compared with some Japanese design.

The interior is of course impressive - almost the class of the Audi, BMW, etc. I like the head-up display on the polycarbonate screen. Something the Japanese will never come up with, I think. The two display gauges for speedometer and rev counter are impressive, clear as the optitron display in a Toyota. This is very important to me as I hate to see display which has uneven lighting. The keyless alarm is impressive. Another impressive feature is the silent interior, according to the reviewers. Well-manufactured cars should have good insulation. I understand that the current Accord is quite noisy because the insulation was reduced to save weight. The only slight disappointment is the bonnet release which is on the left hand side instead of the driver's side.

The doors are solid. But, to test further, I did the slam test on the doors with the windows winded down halfway. The sound is still solid without the glass panels rattling. I did the same for my current Toyota Altis and the glass rattles like hell. Very hollow sound when I slam the doors.

I did look at the Passat but with RM 185k for a plain-looking car, it is definitely a no-go.

Overall, quite satisfied and so I decided to book the car even without a test drive. We can cancel the booking without any penalty later on. This is my first continental car purchase. Yes, I have heard and read horror stories about the quality and depreciation of the continental cars. Not to mention the poor service from the service centres. But I was not impressed with the service centre of the Japanese cars either. When I had to change a steering problem in my Altis in Singapore, I had to go to the service centre 3 times before the problem was fixed. Similarly, I was not impressive with the Honda service in Malaysia for my Accord.

I thought about the 1.6 litre turbo engine for the 508. On paper, it does not looked very impressive. But, I understand that the unit was designed with inputs from BMW and it has won some awards as well. I don't drive fast so the engine should be more than adequate for me.

So, hopefully, the experience of getting a continental car will be a rewarding one.
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great! another 508 owner soon! Did your SA mention when you'll be getting your car? smile.gif
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you guys realized that french cars, peugeot and citroen are famous for its reliability issues in europe, right? heck, even renault too, but the megane rs is one heck of a beast. anyway, maybe the 508 would be different.

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QUOTE(ar188 @ Oct 25 2011, 12:10 PM)
from the past A33 (sold), 407 (sold), RX8 (toy car), current gen akod 2.4 (for rough usage) , currently teana.
how about you then? what car u currently owned?
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Taukeh, I rephrased it for you lah. biggrin.gif

I saw your 'sui kwan' 407 last year on the road after you dumped this. If you want to sell your 'Twin Turbo MyVi', please let me know as a friend of mine might be interested.
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tested the passat, passat CC and mondeo. Powerwise, i felt that mondeo and passat cc is quite close and the passat is slightly behind in term of power, size wise i think mondeo win hands down.

Can't comment on the 508 as not tested before... it think for a driver. no spec will beat the feel of the car after a test drive.

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great! another 508 owner soon! Did your SA mention when you'll be getting your car? smile.gif
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I initially told the SA that I wanted the car in Jan. But now, thinking of getting it as soon as possible so that I can enjoy my Dec holidays with the car. Have not spoken to the SA so far.

I was initially taken aback by numerous comments on jerky gearchanges for the 508 but later realised that it was for the semi-auto manual gearbox.

Would like to share reviews of the 508. Here's some.

http://arabwheels.blogspot.com/2011/05/tes...-lions-new.html

http://m.topcar.co.za/articles/FirstDrive/...CookieSupport=1

http://www.stuff.co.nz/southland-times/lif...unts-on-the-508

http://www.carfever.info/Peugeot-508-Sedan-Specs/#

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/motor...-favourite.html

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just to share this comprehensive review of the 508, too bad its in a language that we don't understand. but it shows alot of the 508 features, such as the directional lights etc..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6IM-FBrzb5o&feature=related
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Guys, I got confirmation today. My car is coming next week rclxm9.gif Already registered with WWA xxxx plate rclxms.gif
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Guys, I got confirmation today. My car is coming next week rclxm9.gif Already registered with WWA xxxx plate rclxms.gif
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WOIIII HOW CANNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN? hahaha, omg happy for you! smile.gif Which showroom you booked from?
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WOIIII HOW CANNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN? hahaha, omg happy for you! smile.gif Which showroom you booked from?
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Kampung pandan. You?
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Kampung pandan. You?
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bangsar. =( nvm la.. wait wait! some booked 3 months before launch also can't get their 508 yet. zzz
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bangsar. =( nvm la.. wait wait! some booked 3 months before launch also can't get their 508 yet. zzz
He probably got a car which was cancelled by the previous buyer. Many such cases especially with new launches.
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QUOTE(8772SS @ Nov 2 2011, 08:21 PM)
I initially told the SA that I wanted the car in Jan. But now, thinking of getting it as soon as possible so that I can enjoy my Dec holidays with the car. Have not spoken to the SA so far.
But sadly its all 2011 models. With the anticipated low resale value, i would rather wait for the 2012 models to come in. Probably around Feb/March 2012. This will give me enough time to check everything especially test drive and after sales service standards. With this car, the drop in resale value would be approx 15-20% in the first year.

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He probably got a car which was cancelled by the previous buyer. Many such cases especially with new launches.
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Bingo, the other buyer couldnt secure a loan smile.gif
Then pls pick me up. I need to test drive.
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power-wise will choose ecoboost thumbup.gif
exterior and interior + specs will choose 508 drool.gif
the other fella so expensive for nothing... rclxub.gif

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QUOTE(JAL811 @ Nov 3 2011, 10:22 AM)
power-wise will choose ecoboost  thumbup.gif
exterior and interior + specs will choose 508  drool.gif
the other fella so expensive for nothing... rclxub.gif
Ure 100% correct. I dont know why VW would price the Passat 1.8TSI at RM192K with so few specs. I understand they have a good engine and gearbox but surely for 192K you would expect to see the specs of the Peugeot 508 as well.

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But sadly its all 2011 models. With the anticipated low resale value, i would rather wait for the 2012 models to come in. Probably around Feb/March 2012. This will give me enough time to check everything especially test drive and after sales service standards. With this car, the drop in resale value would be approx 15-20% in the first year.
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QUOTE(htkaki @ Nov 2 2011, 02:40 PM)
Taukeh, I rephrased it for you lah.  biggrin.gif

I saw your 'sui kwan' 407 last year on the road after you dumped this. If you want to sell your 'Twin Turbo MyVi', please let me know as a friend of mine might be interested.
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haha! u also here? biggrin.gif twin turbo? hmm.gif my myvi no turbo wan la.. laugh.gif

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QUOTE(ar188 @ Nov 3 2011, 11:43 AM)
have you place your booking yet?
No la. Alot more consideration to be done before i commit.
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508 looks elegant......passat and mondeo looks normal already....
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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Nov 3 2011, 10:32 AM)
Ure 100% correct. I dont know why VW would price the Passat 1.8TSI at RM192K with so few specs. I understand they have a good engine and gearbox but surely for 192K you would expect to see the specs of the Peugeot 508 as well.
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let me tell you why the placed the price at 190K, it is because they can, and it is because there will be people buying them.

Of course in VW you are buying the Engine and Gearbox, and in a 508, you buying luxury feeling. Anyway VW will probably hold a better value compare to Peugeot. Ford probably is the worst among the 3.

anyway there is practically nothing in the Passat, nothing special at all, just it is passat and it is a VW and it carries a DSG and TSI badge. And currently the hottest selling brand in malaysia, look at the amount of Golf TSI And GTI on the road. compare to 5 years ago. It is like it is everywhere.

But honestly, VW is really really pricy.


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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Nov 3 2011, 11:55 AM)
No la. Alot more consideration to be done before i commit.
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slowly study first, dont take the rush, how you know suddenly the second batch comes with updated GPS navigation.

Then you probably get more out of it. Maybe by then when the Camry is out, you can compare even more cars. Then you can choose your pick.


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Then pls pick me up. I need to test drive.
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i would also like to sit at the back, hehe, though i may not be buying, just curious how does it feel.

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haha! u also here?  biggrin.gif  twin turbo?  hmm.gif my myvi no turbo wan la..  laugh.gif
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The rotary feels like twin turbo mah laugh.gif

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QUOTE(sonyman @ Nov 3 2011, 01:04 PM)
let me tell you why the placed the price at 190K, it is because they can, and it is because there will be people buying them.

Of course in VW you are buying the Engine and Gearbox, and in a 508, you buying luxury feeling. Anyway VW will probably hold a better value compare to Peugeot. Ford probably is the worst among the 3.

anyway there is practically nothing in the Passat, nothing special at all, just it is passat and it is a VW and it carries a DSG and TSI badge. And currently the hottest selling brand in malaysia, look at the amount of Golf TSI And GTI on the road. compare to 5 years ago. It is like it is everywhere.

But honestly, VW is really really pricy.

slowly study first, dont take the rush, how you know suddenly the second batch comes with updated GPS navigation.

Then you probably get more out of it. Maybe by then when the Camry is out, you can compare even more cars. Then you can choose your pick.
Yes those are my thoughts too. Peugeot has already started increasing the market penetration since the launch of the 308. But sadly models like the 207 were a real disappointment. Hopefully the 508 can re-ignite the Peugeot franchise in Malaysia.

Yes ill probably only decide when ive seen the Camry. That is afterall my 1st choice car for the past 2 years so might as well wait till then. Also interested to see the Kia Optima.

Many of the European and Korean cars are well known for adding on goodies later on to boost sales. So buying a new launch may not always be a good idea. Anyway my current ride is going strong and zero complaints so far. So am not really in a hurry actually.

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Unfortunately apa pun tarak. Just full tank of petrol upon delivery. Sigh, better than nothing la
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QUOTE(sleepy @ Nov 3 2011, 03:48 PM)
Unfortunately apa pun tarak. Just full tank of petrol upon delivery. Sigh, better than nothing la
If those who's company pay for their fuel, then what can they give? biggrin.gif

What color? Can you please take some pics and post here? Take the front, rear, side, dashboard and rear seats.
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New facelifted Passat CC to be launched soon:

http://paultan.org/2011/11/03/2012-volkswa...t-la-auto-show/

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If those who's company pay for their fuel, then what can they give?  biggrin.gif

What color? Can you please take some pics and post here? Take the front, rear, side, dashboard and rear seats.
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Ok sure will do. Once I get the car. SA can't promise which day of next week. Just say next week. Btw mine is aluminium color.
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No la. Alot more consideration to be done before i commit.
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err? but your initial enthusiasm was like over the roof wor.. why now like pull handbrake geh? hmm.gif


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Unfortunately apa pun tarak. Just full tank of petrol upon delivery. Sigh, better than nothing la
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they won't give anything when it's hot.. later 2years time, when low RV kicks in they will throw in plasma tv and what not.. laugh.gif

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err? but your initial enthusiasm was like over the roof wor.. why now like pull handbrake geh?  hmm.gif
Enthusiasm was always there and still is. But im not easily taken up by just looks and specs. The after sales service has always been a major concern.
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QUOTE(sleepy @ Nov 3 2011, 05:10 PM)
Ok sure will do. Once I get the car. SA can't promise which day of next week. Just say next week. Btw mine is aluminium color.
I heard that Peugeot still cant register any cars pending approval from JPJ. Might take a week or two. By that time the plate would be WWB. My friend just collected her S40 with WWA plate last week.
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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Nov 8 2011, 07:53 AM)
Enthusiasm was always there and still is. But im not easily taken up by just looks and specs. The after sales service has always been a major concern.
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If after sales service is your biggest concern, i think u should scrape off any idea of getting anything other than Toyota/Honda ( Major car seller here )... after sales service is not establish over the night sad.gif
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QUOTE(Bliz @ Nov 8 2011, 08:12 AM)
If after sales service is your biggest concern, i think u should scrape off any idea of getting anything other than Toyota/Honda ( Major car seller here )... after sales service is not establish over the night  sad.gif
I said its a concern but doesnt mean its my only consideration. No such thing as perfect car. Depends on what ure willing to sacrifice i guess. Of course i dont expect Nasim's after sales to be even close to Toyota but if its at an acceptable level then i guess its alright. Im now trying to determine what that acceptable level is. biggrin.gif
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Guys I got this feeling I'm not getting the car this week. As usual la, empty promises from SA. Now I'm hearing this AP thing.

Damn, should've opted for a recon E60 from naza as the price is similar to this. I hate waiting
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QUOTE(sleepy @ Nov 9 2011, 04:21 PM)
Guys I got this feeling I'm not getting the car this week. As usual la, empty promises from SA. Now I'm hearing this AP thing.

Damn, should've opted for a recon E60 from naza as the price is similar to this. I hate waiting
I already told u Nasim cannot register any cars until they get clearance from JPJ. But it should be cleared by this week or early next week.
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I already told u Nasim cannot register any cars until they get clearance from JPJ. But it should be cleared by this week or early next week.
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Yeah, I've been told the same thing. I really wish I could get it by this week. But then, hmmm. Losing faith
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yo! anyone going to martrade center this weekend? Got test drive for 508, i believe so.

Hehe, anyone interested?
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yo! anyone going to martrade center this weekend? Got test drive for 508, i believe so.

Hehe, anyone interested?
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I said its a concern but doesnt mean its my only consideration. No such thing as perfect car. Depends on what ure willing to sacrifice i guess. Of course i dont expect Nasim's after sales to be even close to Toyota but if its at an acceptable level then i guess its alright. Im now trying to determine what that acceptable level is.  biggrin.gif
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Honda 9
Toyota 8
Naza 3

That's how far naza compare to the Other 2. The take acct into std service, windscreen replacement n accident claim assist.

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Added on November 10, 2011, 8:26 amCar wise, my pug is very good, only let dnw is the service center. And car wise, pug IS a level higher then jpn car.

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QUOTE(chamelion @ Nov 10 2011, 08:25 AM)
Car wise, my pug is very good, only let dnw is the service center. And car wise, pug IS a level higher then jpn car.
What are the areas which you feel are lacking in Nasim's after sales service?
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Hi, nice discussion!
I'm also looking at the passat, 508, and mondeo rite now..have tested the passat and mondeo ecoboost.. All are good cars, better than the japs. However, I can only choose one..sigh
In my observation, these are the major goods and bads about each car, which could be the decisive factors:

1. Passat
Good: it's a Volkswagen, 7 speed dsg, interior similar to passat cc (which costs at least 70k more), 5 year unlimited mileage warranty, service interval 15k
Bad: most expensive rm190k (including insurance, not 192k as stated in this thread),
No keyless, no navi, no DVD, no bluetooth

2. 508
Good: most exciting exterior, newest brand new model, most interior features, amazing sound system! (need to hear it, simply superb), true keyless, cheapest.
Bad: auto gearbox (not dual clutch), 3 year/100k km warranty, 10k service interval

3. Mondeo
Good: best ride and handling (try it, as good as BMW or nearly there), most powerful, fastest, dual clutch gearbox, largest (but boot space a bit shallow if I remember correctly), keyless, Bluetooth, voice control
Bad: not so new model (just a recent facelift), no paddle shifters, most thirsty, 3 years warranty, 10k service interval, no navi

There.. To me, based on the above, I would go for the passat.. The dsg is simply superb, interior quality as good as passat cc, and most importantly 5 years unlimited mileage warranty. You can drive all you want without worrying about the engine or gearbox breaking down, then you can sell after 4 years and the warranty is still valid so this will help in the resale value also.. For navi, or sound system, later can upgrade, although this will be expensive if need to use volkswagen system (to save the warranty).

Unless anyone can convince me otherwise..
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Hi, nice discussion!
I'm also looking at the passat, 508, and mondeo rite now..have tested the passat and mondeo ecoboost.. All are good cars, better than the japs. However, I can only choose one..sigh
In my observation, these are the major goods and bads about each car, which could be the decisive factors:

1. Passat
Good: it's a Volkswagen, 7 speed dsg, interior similar to passat cc (which costs at least 70k more), 5 year unlimited mileage warranty, service interval 15k
Bad: most expensive rm190k (including insurance, not 192k as stated in this thread),
No keyless, no navi, no DVD, no bluetooth

2. 508
Good: most exciting exterior, newest brand new model, most interior features, amazing sound system! (need to hear it, simply superb), true keyless, cheapest.
Bad: auto gearbox (not dual clutch), 3 year/100k km warranty, 10k service interval

3. Mondeo
Good: best ride and handling (try it, as good as BMW or nearly there), most powerful, fastest, dual clutch gearbox, largest (but boot space a bit shallow if I remember correctly), keyless, Bluetooth, voice control
Bad: not so new model (just a recent facelift), no paddle shifters, most thirsty, 3 years warranty, 10k service interval, no navi

There.. To me, based on the above, I would go for the passat.. The dsg is simply superb, interior quality as good as passat cc, and most importantly 5 years unlimited mileage warranty. You can drive all you want without worrying about the engine or gearbox breaking down, then you can sell after 4 years and the warranty is still valid so this will help in the resale value also.. For navi, or sound system, later can upgrade, although this will be expensive if need to use volkswagen system (to save the warranty).

Unless anyone can convince me otherwise..
Since when is the Passat 1.8TSI interior similar to the Passat CC? I think the CC has got a more luxurious interior and exterior albeit with a big increase in price.

Yes what uve said bout the Passat 1.8TSI is good. The gearbox, engine and warranty is great. But would you want to pay 190K for a boring car? Have you pictured yourself driving this car for the next 5-7yrs while other more modern and futuristic cars whizz by e.g Kia Optima, Hyundai Elantra, Hyundai Sonata, Peugeot 508, Toyota Camry, etc

The Passat has got an ugly rear (i think the worst among all VW cars at the moment). I think the Jetta looks better than the Passat except with much less features. The Passat TSI will not get any second looks on the road for sure unlike the attention the Golf, Sirocco and Passat CC enjoy. Even the interior seats on the Passat TSI is not that comfy for a 190K car.

Yes no doubt VW have great gearboxes and engines but how often will we be in a position to enjoy them? How often are we gonna be driving at high speeds? Most of the time we'll be stuck in bumper to bumper traffic in major cities i guess.

But what we would be experiencing most of the time is the specs, comfort and exterior/interior looks which the 508 has in abundance.

But in saying that, the after sales service and build quality of the Peugeot 508 is a worry for me. But i still have about 4-5 months more to decide.








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Since when is the Passat 1.8TSI interior similar to the Passat CC? I think the CC has got a more luxurious interior and exterior albeit with a big increase in price.

Yes what uve said bout the Passat 1.8TSI is good. The gearbox, engine and warranty is great. But would you want to pay 190K for a boring car? Have you pictured yourself driving this car for the next 5-7yrs while other more modern and futuristic cars whizz by e.g Kia Optima, Hyundai Elantra, Hyundai Sonata, Peugeot 508, Toyota Camry, etc

The Passat has got an ugly rear (i think the worst among all VW cars at the moment). I think the Jetta looks better than the Passat except with much less features. The Passat TSI will not get any second looks on the road for sure unlike the attention the Golf, Sirocco and Passat CC enjoy. Even the interior seats on the Passat TSI is not that comfy for a 190K car.

Yes no doubt VW have great gearboxes and engines but how often will we be in a position to enjoy them? How often are we gonna be driving at high speeds? Most of the time we'll be stuck in bumper to bumper traffic in major cities i guess.

But what we would be experiencing most of the time is the specs, comfort and exterior/interior looks which the 508 has in abundance.

But in saying that, the after sales service and build quality of the Peugeot 508 is a worry for me. But i still have about 4-5 months more to decide.
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Yes, actually I was referring to the dashboard of the car..similar dashboard, but seats are much better in the passat cc.
To me, the passat's dashboard is the most handsome and classiest among the three, with nice aluminum inserts. Maybe it's not as exciting as a civic's or optima's dashboard, but the ergonomics and feeling of quality is spot on.

Yes, the exterior is a bit unimaginative and looks normal especially when compared to the new optima, but it does look simple and handsome and not too attention seeking..some people like that. But yes, vw could have done a better job, maybe they wanted to further separate the passat from the cc.

Anyway, to me the most important thing is how u feel behind the wheel because that's where you will be most of the time.It must feel solid and the perception of quality must be there. I would still prefer a vw over a proton even if the proton looks like a lamborghini.

In terms of build quality, I think all three are about the same as all are made in Europe. I've tried slamming the doors and all feels and sounds solid. Vw has a previous reputation of better quality, but the 508 and mondeo are comparable to the passat. However, the 508 hasn't been test driven, so a proper assessment couldn't be done yet.











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so, anyone here went to go and test drive the 508? COTY in martrade has test drive.

Can feed back some info? Thanks
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Wow, after a long debate still very close tie.
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so, anyone here went to go and test drive the 508? COTY in martrade has test drive.

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Me, me, me. Having already bought the car, I cant help but to go there to get a taste of the car. I went there today at 1030am to test drive the car. Luckily not many ppl around 1030am. So just register and get the test drive immediately. But unfortunately the car is on trade plate, so cant drive out to open roads.

The test drive was only done in the car park area. There were 5 of us in the car, including the sales person. The car still feels powerful despite carrying 3x85kg+, 1x70kg+, and another 58kg passenger. Ride is quiet/smooth despite the 18" 235/45 tyres (but the car park pavement is still smooth). But the gearshifts isnt as smooth as i'd like it to be under hard acceleration (I'm comparing this to an accord 2.4's gearshift).

Sound insulation is pretty good. Can hardly hear the engine in the car. Steering is really light in tight corners. Feels like driving a much smaller car which is a plus point considering this car's bulky size. Overall, today's test drive has cleared some doubts I've always have before this. I'm relieved and confident to say my blind purchase (bought before test drive) has turn out to be a good one.

But then again, there's a final question mark which is the after sales service. Are nasim's service centers competent enough to maintain these cars? And also how durable/reliable will this car be in the long run?
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QUOTE(sleepy @ Nov 13 2011, 11:19 PM)
Me, me, me. Having already bought the car, I cant help but to go there to get a taste of the car. I went there today at 1030am to test drive the car. Luckily not many ppl around 1030am. So just register and get the test drive immediately. But unfortunately the car is on trade plate, so cant drive out to open roads.

The test drive was only done in the car park area. There were 5 of us in the car, including the sales person. The car still feels powerful despite carrying 3x85kg+, 1x70kg+, and another 58kg passenger. Ride is quiet/smooth despite the 18" 235/45 tyres (but the car park pavement is still smooth). But the gearshifts isnt as smooth as i'd like it to be under hard acceleration (I'm comparing this to an accord 2.4's gearshift).

Sound insulation is pretty good. Can hardly hear the engine in the car. Steering is really light in tight corners. Feels like driving a much smaller car which is a plus point considering this car's bulky size. Overall, today's test drive has cleared some doubts I've always have before this. I'm relieved and confident to say my blind purchase (bought before test drive) has turn out to be a good one.

But then again, there's a final question mark which is the after sales service. Are nasim's service centers competent enough to maintain these cars? And also how durable/reliable will this car be in the long run?
Bro, driving a car around in a parking lot hardly constitutes as a test drive. No way u can judge sound insulation or power by at such low speeds. At that speed, even a Wira will sound quiet. Get a real test drive later before you say ure confident. In saying that, i sure hope everything turns out fine as im also interested in the car.
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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Nov 14 2011, 07:58 AM)
Bro, driving a car around in a parking lot hardly constitutes as a test drive. No way u can judge sound insulation or power by at such low speeds. At that speed, even a Wira will sound quiet. Get a real test drive later before you say ure confident. In saying that, i sure hope everything turns out fine as im also interested in the car.
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Accelerating to 50kmh-60kmh and slamming on the brakes as we ran out of road. For me I can feel the pull in the acceleration. Feels similar to accord 2.4. Which is why I say power wise its adequate. Nothing spectacular. Just adequate.

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Accelerating to 50kmh-60kmh and slamming on the brakes as we ran out of road. For me I can feel the pull in the acceleration. Feels similar to accord 2.4. Which is why I say power wise its adequate. Nothing spectacular. Just adequate.
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you are right, 240nm torque is comparable to 2.4liter car. only HP is lower, but i would assume you're not looking for topspeed kind of guy smile.gif as in over 220km/h
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QUOTE(turbocharged @ Nov 14 2011, 10:47 AM)
you are right, 240nm torque is comparable to 2.4liter car. only HP is lower, but i would assume you're not looking for topspeed kind of guy smile.gif as in over 220km/h
Yes the Peugeot's torque of 240Nm is more than the 2.4L Accord (222Nm) but the 158HP is slightly more than the 2.0L Accord only (154HP). But still good for a 1.6L Turbo engine.
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i think the peugeot would be perfect if only it had a dual clutch transmission also like the other two.
a dual clutch is more efficient than a normal torque converter..its also one of the most advanced transmissions you can get today
i would prefer my car to have the latest powertrain technology..

but then again, the mondeo does not have paddle shifters, which is a big no-no also.. so which is more important..paddle shifters or dual-clutch? hmm..
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i think the peugeot would be perfect if only it had a dual clutch transmission also like the other two.
a dual clutch is more efficient than a normal torque converter..its also one of the most advanced transmissions you can get today
i would prefer my car to have the latest powertrain technology..

but then again, the mondeo does not have paddle shifters, which is a big no-no also.. so which is more important..paddle shifters or dual-clutch? hmm..
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actually, 6 speed auto is more reliable than dsg, in my opionion ( no need to flame)

try google DSG failure.

and actually peugeot is working on the dual clutch thingy also, but you know french, they take their time wink.gif

anyway, you dont need dsg in the big luxury car like this, because in a traffic jam, DSG is jerky, only while driving fast/racing, DSG Is best.

THats why mitsubishi and Nissan both has dual clutch on GTR and EVO X, but they offer CVT in their saloon car, lol.

i think for your request above, just get a golf GTI la biggrin.gif or passat CC la. becuase you are looking at them, and asking from ford and peugeot, lol.

like asking can i add steak in nasi goreng? tongue.gif

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QUOTE(m42 @ Nov 14 2011, 03:15 PM)
i think the peugeot would be perfect if only it had a dual clutch transmission also like the other two.
a dual clutch is more efficient than a normal torque converter..its also one of the most advanced transmissions you can get today
i would prefer my car to have the latest powertrain technology..

but then again, the mondeo does not have paddle shifters, which is a big no-no also.. so which is more important..paddle shifters or dual-clutch? hmm..
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Personally having paddle shifters in my car, I think I have used them around only like less than 10 times in my 1 year ownership. I used to think that its great and a must have but after a while, I hardly ever need to use it because the DSG gearbox is really good. Reads my driving style and when I want to be a bit more aggressive, I just switch to sports mode and its fantastics even up hill climbs at Ulu Yam.
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QUOTE(Mavik @ Nov 14 2011, 05:02 PM)
Personally having paddle shifters in my car, I think I have used them around only like less than 10 times in my 1 year ownership. I used to think that its great and a must have but after a while, I hardly ever need to use it because the DSG gearbox is really good. Reads my driving style and when I want to be a bit more aggressive, I just switch to sports mode and its fantastics even up hill climbs at Ulu Yam.
Yes i agree. These paddle shifters are only an attraction in the early stages. More like eye candy. How many of the Honda City users still use their paddle shifters after say 3 yrs of use?
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Besides the Technical considerations the feel/ ride of all 3 cars should also be taken into consideration too.

On top of that how one is perceived driving these cars may also sway judgements.

I have test driven all three. Truth be told the Passat has a better feel and ride with the 508 coming close second.

Someone posted earlier why not include the Alfa 159 and I tend to agree. Basically this is what the driver will be perceived when driving the cars :

Mondeo - Slightly older 45-55 years of age. Probably Desk Job definitely not an accountant.

Puegot 508 - Early 40 - 50 Just got promoted from Mid level Management.

Passat - Wanted the BMW 3 series but not willing to stretch the budget.


Alfa 159 - Marketing or Sales chances are former Player too biggrin.gif

My two cents worth lah...
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QUOTE(turbocharged @ Nov 14 2011, 10:47 AM)
you are right, 240nm torque is comparable to 2.4liter car. only HP is lower, but i would assume you're not looking for topspeed kind of guy smile.gif as in over 220km/h
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You're right. I usually cruise at 130kmh. So for me, this 1.6L turbo offers more than enough. I supposed if 508 and accord 2.4 were to accelerate to 220kmh, the 508 would do it in a shorter time.

Anyway, the accord gearbox is a bit sluggish when it comes to response. Gun the throttle, nothing happens for 1-2 sec, then the acceleration kicks in. The 508 feels more instantaneous. But when it comes to deceleration, the accord downshifts more smoothly. The 508 feels kinda jerky when it downshifts on hard braking, feels kinda like a C230K with the gearbox set to Sports


Added on November 14, 2011, 9:49 pmGuys, come to think of it, although the 508 is a good car, NASIM is a really bad distributor. At first, ask me to pour in money then I'll get my car the moment everything is signed. But it's been 2 weeks+, still I'm getting the "duty not yet cleared" crap. I'm thinking of cancelling my purchase, but then for them to return my money, I supposed it will take donkey years judging from how things are going now.

I've been shown a car with a SOLD tag on it with my name there as well. But what's the point? It's mine but I dont get to drive it. What am I purchasing? Ferrari FXX? It's just a freaking french car.

First and last peugeot, thanks to NASIM. Delivery stage already this bad, gosh I could only imagine what after-sales service is like. Peugeot's brand name is doomed under NASIM. Should've just got myself a premium selection E90 or E60 instead of going through this crap

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Added on November 14, 2011, 9:49 pmGuys, come to think of it, although the 508 is a good car, NASIM is a really bad distributor. At first, ask me to pour in money then I'll get my car the moment everything is signed. But it's been 2 weeks+, still I'm getting the "duty not yet cleared" crap. I'm thinking of cancelling my purchase, but then for them to return my money, I supposed it will take donkey years judging from how things are going now.

I've been shown a car with a SOLD tag on it with my name there as well. But what's the point? It's mine but I dont get to drive it. What am I purchasing? Ferrari FXX? It's just a freaking french car.

First and last peugeot, thanks to NASIM. Delivery stage already this bad, gosh I could only imagine what after-sales service is like. Peugeot's brand name is doomed under NASIM. Should've just got myself a premium selection E90 or E60 instead of going through this crap
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2 weeks + is still ok bro, plenty of other car companies where it takes up to 6 months for them to deliver the cars. One of them is VW, friend had to wait 6 months for their car. At least you get to see your car man.
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QUOTE(Mavik @ Nov 14 2011, 10:48 PM)
2 weeks + is still ok bro, plenty of other car companies where it takes up to 6 months for them to deliver the cars. One of them is VW, friend had to wait 6 months for their car. At least you get to see your car man.
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I know, but the thing that I cant stand is empty promises. If they told me will get in couple months then I'm ok, probably I wont even have placed money on it at all. But what I've been told is not what I'm getting. What I mean is, they've misled me through false information and it has affected my buying decision.

What I heard now is, there are a couple of 508's already cleared duty. But I can say mine is not definitely one of them
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QUOTE(Lord of The Rabbits @ Nov 14 2011, 05:40 PM)
Besides the Technical considerations the feel/ ride of all 3 cars  should also be taken into consideration too.

On top of that  how one is perceived driving these cars may also sway judgements.

I have test driven all three. Truth be told the Passat has a better feel and ride with the 508 coming close second.

Someone posted earlier why not include the Alfa 159 and I tend to agree. Basically this is what the driver will be perceived when driving the cars :

Mondeo - Slightly older 45-55 years of age. Probably Desk Job definitely not an accountant.

Puegot 508 - Early 40 - 50 Just got promoted from Mid level Management.

Passat - Wanted the BMW 3 series but not willing to stretch the budget.
Alfa 159 - Marketing or Sales chances are former Player too  biggrin.gif

My two cents worth lah...
U tested all 3? Where did u test the 508?

Im much younger. biggrin.gif

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QUOTE(sleepy @ Nov 14 2011, 11:11 PM)
I know, but the thing that I cant stand is empty promises. If they told me will get in couple months then I'm ok, probably I wont even have placed money on it at all. But what I've been told is not what I'm getting. What I mean is, they've misled me through false information and it has affected my buying decision.

What I heard now is, there are a couple of 508's already cleared duty. But I can say mine is not definitely one of them
Bro, cool it. Waiting a few extra weeks aint gonna hurt much. No car company is perfect. Did u hear about all the Ferrari 458 Italia's catching fire all over the world within a few months of being purchased? I heard they delivered the cars fast but got razed to the ground in double quick time too.

My point is, try not to make things sound worse than they actually are. To say u regret buying a car just cuz the delivery took a few weeks extra is a tad bit over the top dont ya think? It would show that u really didnt give the car much consideration in the first place since your judgement now is based solely on the delivery time.

Take it easy and dont sweat it. Many sales ppl at Nasim didnt even realise the delays they had to endure dealing with JPJ. It isnt entirely their fault. They promised you based on their best knowledge. But as u know dealing with Gov agencies can spring a few surprises.

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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Nov 14 2011, 11:35 PM)
Bro, cool it. Waiting a few extra weeks aint gonna hurt much. No car company is perfect. Did u hear about all the Ferrari 458 Italia's catching fire all over the world within a few months of being purchased? I heard they delivered the cars fast but got razed to the ground in double quick time too.

My point is, try not to make things sound worse than they actually are. To say u regret buying a car just cuz the delivery took a few weeks extra is a tad bit over the top dont ya think? It would show that u really didnt give the car much consideration in the first place since your judgement now is based solely on the delivery time.

Take it easy and dont sweat it. Many sales ppl at Nasim didnt even realise the delays they had to endure dealing with JPJ. It isnt entirely their fault. They promised you based on their best knowledge. But as u know dealing with Gov agencies can spring a few surprises.
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Was actually buying this car for my wedding, which is soon. Already told the sales person that I need the car by certain date, and yeah I was told it was do'able. But now? Hmm, doubt so.

Btw, your ferrari comparison is not that suitable in this case. Ferrari rushed their production, causing flaws here and there hence the fire. But my car is already there waiting for me, with my name and stuff on it.

Another thing, my argument wasnt about the car at all. It's been NASIM. All talk/promises and no delivery? As far as I know, people has been cancelling their order because they booked way before 18th Oct, which is the launch date. Early bird gets the worm? Definitely not in NASIM's dictionary.

I've also read in another forum, that due to KIA/Peugeot is actually under the same roof (NAZA), they're short of AP now, and gotta wait till 2012. Wow, the excuses of AP, duty etc etc. What next?
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http://autos.yahoo.com/news/worst-car-flop...011.html?page=2

VW Jetta
The 2011 redesign cost the Jetta much of what had made it a standout in the small car segment. Its responsive handling and sharp steering are long gone, Fisher says, and the high-quality interior has been replaced with hard plastics that don’t fit together well. The engines in the new Jetta are unimpressive with regard to both acceleration and fuel economy.

2012 Honda Civic
The 2012 redesign plummeted in Consumer Reports scores from one of the best small cars to one of the worst, Fisher says. Its nimble handling was replaced with a “soggy” suspension, and braking distances are too long. The interior quality also declined, with lots of hard plastics throughout the cabin.

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QUOTE(sleepy @ Nov 15 2011, 12:23 AM)
Was actually buying this car for my wedding, which is soon. Already told the sales person that I need the car by certain date, and yeah I was told it was do'able. But now? Hmm, doubt so.

Btw, your ferrari comparison is not that suitable in this case. Ferrari rushed their production, causing flaws here and there hence the fire. But my car is already there waiting for me, with my name and stuff on it.

Another thing, my argument wasnt about the car at all. It's been NASIM. All talk/promises and no delivery? As far as I know, people has been cancelling their order because they booked way before 18th Oct, which is the launch date. Early bird gets the worm? Definitely not in NASIM's dictionary.

I've also read in another forum, that due to KIA/Peugeot is actually under the same roof (NAZA), they're short of AP now, and gotta wait till 2012. Wow, the excuses of AP, duty etc etc. What next?
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you should just get T&H or VW

they never short of APs
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QUOTE(turbocharged @ Nov 15 2011, 12:17 PM)
you should just get T&H or VW

they never short of APs
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Already had experienced t&h, but you sure about the VW part? As far as I know, VW's are imported from overseas as well. No need AP?
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QUOTE(sleepy @ Nov 15 2011, 12:41 PM)
Already had experienced t&h, but you sure about the VW part? As far as I know, VW's are imported from overseas as well. No need AP?
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they got lower volume (selling less car) than peugeot and kia . or vw they have better connection biggrin.gif

after naza former boss passed away, the sons always have AP problem biggrin.gif relationship not good enough with high level ppl i guess
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QUOTE(turbocharged @ Nov 15 2011, 01:05 PM)
they got lower volume (selling less car) than peugeot and kia . or vw they have better connection biggrin.gif

after naza former boss passed away, the sons always have AP problem biggrin.gif relationship not good enough with high level ppl i guess
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rclxub.gif bro where you get this news from? LoL
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QUOTE(Jim.tan @ Nov 15 2011, 01:51 PM)
rclxub.gif bro where you get this news from? LoL
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naza salesman lo, dunno he con me or not la, lol.
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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Nov 14 2011, 05:24 PM)
Yes i agree. These paddle shifters are only an attraction in the early stages. More like eye candy. How many of the Honda City users still use their paddle shifters after say 3 yrs of use?
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yeah i know..i actually wont use the paddle shifters at all.. but its good to have, feels like your car is not missing something.. also good for when you're bored and feel like you want to do a vettel once in a while..


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QUOTE(turbocharged @ Nov 14 2011, 03:45 PM)
actually, 6 speed auto is more reliable than dsg, in my opionion ( no need to flame)

try google DSG failure.

and actually peugeot is working on the dual clutch thingy also, but you know french, they take their time wink.gif

anyway, you dont need dsg in the big luxury car like this, because in a traffic jam, DSG is jerky, only while driving fast/racing, DSG Is best.

THats why mitsubishi and Nissan both has dual clutch on GTR and EVO X, but they offer CVT in their saloon car, lol.

i think for your request above, just get a golf GTI la biggrin.gif or passat CC la. becuase you are looking at them, and asking from ford and peugeot, lol.

like asking can i add steak in nasi goreng? tongue.gif
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yeah but the thing is dsg is more fuel efficient..7 speed some more.. so much better in traffic jams..
fast yet fuel saving..who wouldn't want that?


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Top 10 Worst Cars of 2011:
http://autos.yahoo.com/news/worst-car-flop...011.html?page=2

VW Jetta
The 2011 redesign cost the Jetta much of what had made it a standout in the small car segment. Its responsive handling and sharp steering are long gone, Fisher says, and the high-quality interior has been replaced with hard plastics that don’t fit together well. The engines in the new Jetta are unimpressive with regard to both acceleration and fuel economy.

2012 Honda Civic
The 2012 redesign plummeted in Consumer Reports scores from one of the best small cars to one of the worst, Fisher says. Its nimble handling was replaced with a “soggy” suspension, and braking distances are too long. The interior quality also declined, with lots of hard plastics throughout the cabin.
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i think these are the US market cars you quoting..totally different from the ones we are getting..


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QUOTE(Lord of The Rabbits @ Nov 14 2011, 05:40 PM)
Besides the Technical considerations the feel/ ride of all 3 cars  should also be taken into consideration too.

On top of that  how one is perceived driving these cars may also sway judgements.

I have test driven all three. Truth be told the Passat has a better feel and ride with the 508 coming close second.

Someone posted earlier why not include the Alfa 159 and I tend to agree. Basically this is what the driver will be perceived when driving the cars :

Mondeo - Slightly older 45-55 years of age. Probably Desk Job definitely not an accountant.

Puegot 508 - Early 40 - 50 Just got promoted from Mid level Management.

Passat - Wanted the BMW 3 series but not willing to stretch the budget.
Alfa 159 - Marketing or Sales chances are former Player too  biggrin.gif

My two cents worth lah...
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alfa 159 is the sexiest.. but the rear seats are so small, not suitable as a d-segment family car, heck even less space than your average c-segment cars

if i were to drive alone, and dont give a damn about resale value and maintenace costs, i would take the 159 anytime..

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alfa 159 is the sexiest.. but the rear seats are so small, not suitable as a d-segment family car, heck even less space than your average c-segment cars

if i were to drive alone, and dont give a damn about resale value and maintenace costs, i would take the 159 anytime..
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my fren who is driving a 147, spend more than rm15k on his 156 that he bought for 60k. and deeply in debt.

make sure you can afford a golf gti before you go buy this kind of alfa romeo. I mean, make sure you are rich enough.

but if you're rich enough, just skip it. alfitis is expensive, lol.
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my SA just called, car coming this / next week. Getting the chassis number from the allocation tomorrow. It's for the first batch of booking, pre-booking. Some guys didn't manage to get the loan so SA allocating it for me since mine has been approved.

Woohoo! =)
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QUOTE(spcx @ Nov 21 2011, 03:11 PM)
my SA just called, car coming this / next week. Getting the chassis number from the allocation tomorrow. It's for the first batch of booking, pre-booking. Some guys didn't manage to get the loan so SA allocating it for me since mine has been approved.

Woohoo! =)
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I'm hearing the same thing from SA as well. Hope to get my aluminium colored 508 within this week smile.gif What color is yours?
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I'm hearing the same thing from SA as well. Hope to get my aluminium colored 508 within this week smile.gif What color is yours?
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SA say this Friday can get car. But I'm not putting up high hopes, coz been let down too many times. See how it goes la. Will post some pics if really got it
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QUOTE(sleepy @ Nov 23 2011, 07:14 PM)
SA say this Friday can get car. But I'm not putting up high hopes, coz been let down too many times. See how it goes la. Will post some pics if really got it
Please take front, rear, side, interior, rear legroom, engine, etc.
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Please take front, rear, side, interior, rear legroom, engine, etc.
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I just test drove 508 and RCZ like 30min ago at Peugeot Melaka. The one in Malim.

508:
This is my first time writing a review. I have no other car in same segment car to compare beside my mum's Camry 2.0L. So most comparison will be based on that.

Leg room: I'm 168cm and I got distance about two vertical fist of leg rooms at the backseat.

Driving: It's satisfactory for me and the acceleration is more responsive than the Camry. My mum complained about the acceleration noise made by the engine too. I think it's fine, but she insisted it's too loud(probably VVT on Camry accelerates really quiet). There are some acceptable level of road noise transmitted into the cabin too. The heads-up display can be turned off if needed. My mum thought it's distracting. =/

Suspension: It's stiffer than Camry, and my mum complained about it. It's sportier ride than Camry definitely. SA said might me the tyres pressure are too full and they haven't put at it's optimum level.

Build Quality: excellent. I like how it sounded when you close the door. Very solid kinda feelings. But the parking assist is faulty or some sort, so whenever I stepped on brake there's a some sound
headlight: The color of the bi-xenon headlight is like warm fluorescent light.(you know..not blue-ish)

Sound system is great. I like how feature-rich the car is, but my mum clearly doesn't care much them.

SA mentioned that the first batch of car is from Italy/Australia (sorry I can't remember) and hence the GPS is not usable. The 2nd batch will be arrived next month and it's from French. By then the GPS will be usable.

In all, I like the luxurious feelings inside and I think the power is more than enough for me for daily drivings(more responsive than Camry). There's little acceleration lag and shifting lag too just like most other auto cars that I drove before. Both are acceptable. I like all of the features in it.

RCZ:
The power just blew me away. It's the first coupe I drove. Can't believe it's both 1.6L engine. I drove the manual version and I think the clutch is too "high". Personally, when I drive manual car, I like to leave my heel attached to the floor of the car so that my foot can adjust how much to travel. For RCZ, the pedal of the car is higher than the brake and acceleration pedal. With my heel attached to the floor, my foot can't raise high enough to get the gear to engage. So, I have to move my entire leg for shifting, which caused the ride to be bumpy a bit at first gear. The acceleration is wonderful, I only get to use the 3rd gear and sped up to around 110/120km/h before my mum asked me to stop. She's scared I guess. XD It's my dream car.

Those are just my 2 cents. Don't shoot if I didn't say it right k. Just sharing my personal review. = )

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Huhu, car is coming out tomorrow in late afternoon. But too bad I'll be out of KL for a meeting with customer. Try to rush back before the showroom closes.

Btw, I'm getting free gifts. Hehe
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QUOTE(sleepy @ Nov 24 2011, 11:16 PM)
Huhu, car is coming out tomorrow in late afternoon. But too bad I'll be out of KL for a meeting with customer. Try to rush back before the showroom closes.

Btw, I'm getting free gifts. Hehe
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fuh receiving car on Saturday? Nice one! Haha I got to wait till next week sad.gif
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fuh receiving car on Saturday? Nice one! Haha I got to wait till next week sad.gif
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Bro, here's a teaser laugh.gif
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OMG I HATE YOU.

How was the FIRST drive? biggrin.gif what free gifts you got? my SA damn kedekut one la.

reason i have to wait till next week is because the number I want is only coming out next week =(

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QUOTE(spcx @ Nov 25 2011, 08:44 PM)
OMG I HATE YOU.

How was the FIRST drive? biggrin.gif what free gifts you got? my SA damn kedekut one la.

reason i have to wait till next week is because the number I want is only coming out next week =(
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So far so good la. On the way home, I went through some pot holes and it wasnt as bumpy as i thought it would be despite the crazy sized wheels. Power is definitely there, in fact it feels more responsive than accord 2.4. Noise insulation, hmm i still think the old 2005 accord fare better (engine noise wise).

Oh, you're waiting number la? My number is quite old WWA. From what I know its already WWC now.

Free gifts includes umbrella, key chains, smart tag, t&g, air ionizer, tint voucher, and errm full tank petrol considered as free gift? laugh.gif
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haha i think the noise is probably the turbo engine....

yea im getting WWC 3XXX . hahahahaha so got to wait till next week. zz.

so what ur going to do next? tongue.gif im taking my 508 for a tint first to do list! going Jaya One for 3M tinting!~

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Reccomend Ford. Extreme Performance @ A Good Price.

VW Passat Has The BEST AUDIO SYSTEM among all 3 rclxms.gif
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QUOTE(DesmondMiles @ Nov 26 2011, 02:43 PM)
VW Passat Has The BEST AUDIO SYSTEM among all 3 rclxms.gif
But specs wise it looses heavily to the 508. Even exterior and interior design the Passat looses heavily. I would say it has better engine and gearbox.

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Some experience on highway today. At 110kmh, the rpm is at 2500rpm, which is higher than the accord and lancer EX. FC-wise no matter what I try on the highway, the FC is nowhere near the advertised 7.1L/100km. The best I managed is 8.9L/100km.

The thing that I really like about this 508 is that, it feels so planted through the corners at high speed. From sungai besi exit to MRR2 (the circle exit), the car feels planted even at speeds of 80kmh (accord and lancer EX feels wobbly in comparison). No body-roll, no tyre screeching (this one is probably due to fatter tyres).
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QUOTE(sleepy @ Nov 27 2011, 10:00 AM)
Some experience on highway today. At 110kmh, the rpm is at 2500rpm, which is higher than the accord and lancer EX. FC-wise no matter what I try on the highway, the FC is nowhere near the advertised 7.1L/100km. The best I managed is 8.9L/100km.

The thing that I really like about this 508 is that, it feels so planted through the corners at high speed. From sungai besi exit to MRR2 (the circle exit), the car feels planted even at speeds of 80kmh (accord and lancer EX feels wobbly in comparison). No body-roll, no tyre screeching (this one is probably due to fatter tyres).
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Try these:

1) Drive above 130kmph and see hows the road noise & engine noise (alternate sitting in front & rear seats to compare)
2) Take some corners at 120kmph on highway and then see whether got body roll. 80kmph may be too slow for a heavy car to feel the difference.
3) Do a full tank test for mileage. Dont just depend on the readings.

Fuel consumption will usually be higher in the first 1000km. See how it is after that.

Whre's the photos?

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Hi all,

I have been comtemplating which D-segment car to go for in hte last 2 months. After going thru thorough review reading magazines, view these 3 cars as well as test drive all units and talking to friends, i can draw final conclusion that Ford Mondeo is best in class amongst these 3 units in terms of power and handling with ecoboost engine

Comes 2nd would be Passat, which provides top class gearbox (DSG) and engine (TSI).

No doubt 508 having the best interior car specs compared to others, i still won't go for it due to:

1) car reliability. You may check with driver who own 308 and they complaint problem such as gearbox, water pump, airbag indicators and etc in less than 3 years.

2) The possibility of changing Peugeot to Naza Badge (happened to 207)

3) Engine & gearbox are no way near to Passat and Mondeo.
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QUOTE(DesmondMiles @ Nov 26 2011, 02:43 PM)
Reccomend Ford. Extreme Performance @ A Good Price.

VW Passat Has The BEST AUDIO SYSTEM among all 3
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Maybe you just haven't check out the 508 audio system, it is powered by JBL (by HARMAN) 10 speakers Hi-Fi system with 10 channel 500w surround sound amplifier, definitely win hand-down.
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I only know Passat CC is powered by Dynaudio...perfect sound. Not sure for VW Passat. If Dynaudio then not bad.
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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Nov 27 2011, 04:04 PM)
Try these:

1) Drive above 130kmph and see hows the road noise & engine noise (alternate sitting in front & rear seats to compare)
2) Take some corners at 120kmph on highway and then see whether got body roll. 80kmph may be too slow for a heavy car to feel the difference.
3) Do a full tank test for mileage. Dont just depend on the readings.

Fuel consumption will usually be higher in the first 1000km. See how it is after that.

Whre's the photos?
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1) I dont drive fast actually. Fastest I did so far is 120kmh. Road noise level is surprisingly low at 120kmh. Let's compare with accord 2.4. At 90kmh, the accord is quieter, but as the accord goes faster the noise be it wind/road goes louder as well. For the 508, 90kmh or 120kmh road noise level remains the same.

2) Erm, 120kmh at the bend that I'm talking is suicidal (sungai besi to mrr2 exit near technology park). So far, I'm just comparing other D-segment (2005 accord 2.4L & 2010 accord 2.0L). Both the accord's understeers and feels wobbly, while the 508 just grips on.

3) FC quite bad I guess. So far I've travelled 200km and there's only 2/3 tank left. Still nowhere near the advertised 7.1L/100km. But then, like you I do believe it will improve once it hit the 1000km+.

Photo? I'm too busy playing with the car. Anyway, I have posted one pic of it in my porch in my previous post laugh.gif
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Hello all,

Have been keenly following this interesting thread, and think I should finally add my 2 cents to the discussion. Since I'm a newbie, lemme quickly introduce myself. Have been driving for >20 years; current cars are an MPV and 2009 Camry. Used to own a Honda, and had a few Protons in the past.

Have been looking for another D segment car for over a year (yes, really!) and have test-driven all the 3 cars in mentioned in this thread. My thoughts...

1) Ford Mondeo -- this face-lifted, 2011 version with 2.0 Ecoboost really had me salivating since it came out. Scoured the web for anything I could get my hands on, and eagerly awaited its arrival in Malaysia. What's there not to love? A kick-a** engine with more torque than you know what to do with. A legendary reputation of being rock-solid reliable (at least in UK and Europe), and a series of pictures that are awesome. The reviews I read sang praises, compared it against the Passat (and beat it mostly), and based on that, there was nothing much to not like!

The test-drive was an eye-opener. I'm not sure if its due to all the anticipation built up over the months... but the experience was a bit of let down. To be sure, there was plenty of torque and power on tap... but the drive, while feeling solid and assured, was surprisingly harsh. Bumpy even! In 'real-life', the car looked a lot less exclusive than in the photos. There was plenty of room both front and back, but lacked the exclusive overall feel. The boys loved the voice-control feature, but it felt more like a gimmick than anything to me.

Then came the reality check. This is Malaysia... other than the Fiesta, which recently did exceedingly well, nobody else is touching Ford's passenger cars with a ten-foot pole. This year so far, Paultan.org (Aug) reported only 22 Mondeo 2.3l version sold.... that's even lesser than the Cherry Tiggo, or Audi A8, or Beemer X5.... even the Freelander sold slightly better! The 'killer' happened when I asked the salesmen from VW and Peugeot, what they felt about the Mondeo. They gave me this puzzled look... like "why are you even comparing with that'?


2) VW Passat -- test drove this the same week it was launched. Wow, imagine owning a German marque that's not a pocket rocket or little cream-puff on steroids, but a full fledged D-segment at below 200k!! Okay, granted the engine's smaller (than the Mondeo's), and with it, fewer horses, but this *is* VW... it has to be bullet-proof or awesome or something, right?!

Unfortunately, all the brushed aluminum inserts, the 7-speed DSG, or the classy analogue clock on the dash does not add up to much, if the overall body looks as exciting as mud. Passat CC this car aint!! The car accelerates effortlessly, drives like it's vacuumed to the road, but is just about as exciting as ..... a Camry!

I went in and out of the car... looked at it from all possible angles, far and near... and as much as I tried to like, want, love the car.... I couldn't. It just lacked that passion! Sorry, VW, I love your Toureg, think your Golf is amazing, but Passat? Boring, sigh!

3) Peugeot 508 -- had not really bothered much when I first heard about it. 1.6l engine woh, sure or not? That's just marginally better than the T&H's 2.4 liters... how fun can that be? A friend suggested I checked it out, and my first (biased) reaction was to scoff it off.

But since I was seriously looking at getting a car, I could not ignore all the hype and excitement the 508 had been generating. And I was pleasantly surprised to find how my original impression of it could be so wrong! The car looks amazing in the flesh. Okay, granted, the rear-end takes a bit of getting used to, but surely it still looks a WHOLE LOT better than Accord's ugly butt! The 17-inch rims look great, and the overall swooping lines just somehow works nicely.

Stepping into the drivers' seat felt like getting into space ship, or at a stretch, a Beemer 5-series. All the blinky lights, switches and fittings together with the head's up display come together nicely. Among the 3, this car really makes you feel like you're in an executive-class car, and justifies the price-tag it's getting. In Europe, reviewers are comparing it against the Mondeo (yes, its still the benchmark) and Passat, and in some cases is even mentioned in the same breath as the Audi!

I liked the drive -- a lot. It may not be as punchy as the Mondeo, but is certainly more fun than the Passat. Just a nice balance, I think, of technology, handling, performance and pricing! Its not stellar in any particular area, and will probably not do too well if you're always throwing your car into tight corners in b-roads. But the 95% of the time, I can imagine myself thoroughly enjoying this car. The only scary bit is Naza's after-sales. But my thinking... if I survived 10+ years of Proton (non) service, surely I can survive whatever Naza throws at me?!?

So my conclusion? If you're brand conscious and have a Toyota (i.e. Ah-pek) mentality, you'd probably want to go for the Passat. If you fancy yourself a closet racer and don't care two hoots about resale value, the Mondeo it has to be. And if you like a bit of everything, while attracting admiring looks when you drive by, you probably can't go wrong with the 508!

For me, its the 508. I've plonked down the booking fee, and should get it in the next week or so. Good choice? Dunno leh... only time will tell!


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The only scary bit is Naza's after-sales.  But my thinking... if I survived 10+ years of Proton (non) service, surely I can survive whatever Naza throws at me?!?
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You can survive with Proton all these years because it is easier to maintain a plain vanilla (less electronics) car: parts are easily available everywhere, a lot of alternative/cheap parts, a lot of after market parts, a lot of mechanic able to deal with it.

Anyway between the three, 508 looks like the the winner.
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Since you can afford over than 150k
And above better go for VW passat.
There is more better quality control.
If you can add much more can be think about Audi A6.

Peugeot don't look like better choice, even ford still better.



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Since you can afford over than 150k
And above better go for VW passat.
There is more better quality control
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If you do want to get the passat .. you got to get it within the first 2 batches ... once it goes ckd ... not sure what will happen to the quality
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QUOTE(turbocharged @ Nov 15 2011, 12:17 PM)
you should just get T&H or VW

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naza salesman lo, dunno he con me or not la, lol.
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Hello all,

Have been keenly following this interesting thread, and think I should finally add my 2 cents to the discussion. Since I'm a newbie, lemme quickly introduce myself.  Have been driving for >20 years; current cars are an MPV and 2009 Camry.  Used to own a Honda, and had a few Protons in the past.

Have been looking for another D segment car for over a year (yes, really!) and have test-driven all the 3 cars in mentioned in this thread.  My thoughts...

1) Ford Mondeo -- this face-lifted, 2011 version with 2.0 Ecoboost really had me salivating since it came out.  Scoured the web for anything I could get my hands on, and eagerly awaited its arrival in Malaysia.  What's there not to love? A kick-a** engine with more torque than you know what to do with.  A legendary reputation of being rock-solid reliable (at least in UK and Europe), and a series of pictures that are awesome.  The reviews I read sang praises, compared it against the Passat (and beat it mostly), and based on that, there was nothing much to not like!

The test-drive was an eye-opener.  I'm not sure if its due to all the anticipation built up over the months... but the experience was a bit of let down.  To be sure, there was plenty of torque and power on tap... but the drive, while feeling solid and assured, was surprisingly harsh.  Bumpy even!  In 'real-life', the car looked a lot less exclusive than in the photos.  There was plenty of room both front and back, but lacked the exclusive overall feel.  The boys loved the voice-control feature, but it felt more like a gimmick than anything to me.

Then came the reality check.  This is Malaysia... other than the Fiesta, which recently did exceedingly well, nobody else is touching Ford's passenger cars with a ten-foot pole.  This year so far, Paultan.org (Aug) reported only 22 Mondeo 2.3l version sold.... that's even lesser than the Cherry Tiggo, or Audi A8, or Beemer X5....  even the Freelander sold slightly better!  The 'killer' happened when I asked the salesmen from VW and Peugeot, what they felt about the Mondeo.  They gave me this puzzled look... like "why are you even comparing with that'?
2) VW Passat -- test drove this the same week it was launched.  Wow, imagine owning a German marque that's not a pocket rocket or little cream-puff on steroids, but a full fledged D-segment at below 200k!! Okay, granted the engine's smaller (than the Mondeo's), and with it, fewer horses, but this *is* VW... it has to be bullet-proof or awesome or something, right?!

Unfortunately, all the brushed aluminum inserts, the 7-speed DSG, or the classy analogue clock on the dash does not add up to much, if the overall body looks as exciting as mud.  Passat CC this car aint!!  The car accelerates effortlessly, drives like it's vacuumed to the road, but is just about as exciting as ..... a Camry!

I went in and out of the car... looked at it from all possible angles, far and near... and as much as I tried to like, want, love the car.... I couldn't.  It just lacked that passion!  Sorry, VW, I love your Toureg, think your Golf is amazing, but Passat?  Boring, sigh!

3) Peugeot 508 -- had not really bothered much when I first heard about it.  1.6l engine woh, sure or not? That's just marginally better than the T&H's 2.4 liters... how fun can that be?  A friend suggested I checked it out, and my first (biased) reaction was to scoff it off. 

But since I was seriously looking at getting a car, I could not ignore all the hype and excitement the 508 had been generating.  And I was pleasantly surprised to find how my original impression of it could be so wrong!  The car looks amazing in the flesh.  Okay, granted, the rear-end takes a bit of getting used to, but surely it still looks a WHOLE LOT better than Accord's ugly butt!  The 17-inch rims look great, and the overall swooping lines just somehow works nicely.

Stepping into the drivers' seat felt like getting into space ship, or at a stretch, a Beemer 5-series.  All the blinky lights,  switches and fittings together with the head's up display come together nicely.  Among the 3, this car really makes you feel like you're in an executive-class car, and justifies the price-tag it's getting.  In Europe, reviewers are comparing it against the Mondeo (yes, its still the benchmark) and Passat, and in some cases is even mentioned in the same breath as the Audi!

I liked the drive -- a lot.  It may not be as punchy as the Mondeo, but is certainly more fun than the Passat.  Just a nice balance, I think, of technology, handling, performance and pricing!  Its not stellar in any particular area, and will probably not do too well if you're always throwing your car into tight corners in b-roads.  But the 95% of the time, I can imagine myself thoroughly enjoying this car.  The only scary bit is Naza's after-sales.  But my thinking... if I survived 10+ years of Proton (non) service, surely I can survive whatever Naza throws at me?!?

So my conclusion?  If you're brand conscious and have a Toyota (i.e. Ah-pek) mentality, you'd probably want to go for the Passat.  If you fancy yourself a closet racer and don't care two hoots about resale value, the Mondeo it has to be.  And if you like a bit of everything, while attracting admiring looks when you drive by, you probably can't go wrong with the 508!

For me, its the 508.  I've plonked down the booking fee, and should get it in the next week or so.  Good choice?  Dunno leh... only time will tell!
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that's a good summary u got there!
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Lai Lai Time For A Change, How About We Wait For 2011 KIA OPTIMA Turbo & Compare This With FORD MONDEO Ecoboost.

2011 KIA OPTIMA Turbo vs. FORD MONDEO Ecoboost

0-100KM (Seconds)
2011 KIA OPTIMA Turbo - 6.5 Seconds! Amazing!
FORD MONDEO Ecoboost - 7.9 Seconds! Cool!

Btw, 2011 KIA OPTIMA Turbo Has A Very Similar Engine To V8!


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bangsar. =( nvm la.. wait wait! some booked 3 months before launch also can't get their 508 yet. zzz
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SPCX, did you get the same bunch of freebies as Sleepy?
Trying to see if all branches practicing the same or different. rclxub.gif

TTDI seem to be very kedekut with their gifts, even the full fuel tank is being position as a super-duper-ultra-nice gesture that you should feel eternally grateful to them for it. hmm.gif
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QUOTE(DesmondMiles @ Nov 29 2011, 12:26 PM)
Lai Lai Time For A Change, How About We Wait For 2011 KIA OPTIMA Turbo & Compare This With FORD MONDEO Ecoboost.

2011 KIA OPTIMA Turbo vs. FORD MONDEO Ecoboost

0-100KM (Seconds)
2011 KIA OPTIMA Turbo - 6.5 Seconds! Amazing!
FORD MONDEO Ecoboost - 7.9 Seconds! Cool!

Btw, 2011 KIA OPTIMA Turbo Has A Very Similar Engine To V8!
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Kia already said they WILL NOT BRING IN good engines because of so-call 'Fuel Quality BS excuse'

Mondeo can bring the latest greatest EcoBoost, but KIA cannot

Kia like to treat malaysian like idiot, malaysian like being treated like idiot also
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QUOTE(cdubliew @ Nov 29 2011, 07:32 PM)
SPCX, did you get the same bunch of freebies as Sleepy?
Trying to see if all branches practicing the same or different.  rclxub.gif

TTDI seem to be very kedekut with their gifts, even the full fuel tank is being position as a super-duper-ultra-nice gesture that you should feel eternally grateful to them for it.    hmm.gif
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Got to ask my SA only he gives, lol. Getting full tank + smart tag, asked me to choose between smart tag or umbrella lol. biggrin.gif

But 1 thing I like about my SA is that he's a no nonsense man, doesn't make empty promises or give you hopes of getting the car earlier. When I first booked, he told me the car will only arrive Dec / Jan, if I'm ok then I book. Haha guess what, he pushed me to the first batch of cars! Was a good surprise smile.gif Does his job properly and quick, even the 2nd hand car dealer he introduced was a good lad, although the price was a lil low.

If you don't like sweet talk, and want an honest opinion, look for Leong from Peugeot Bangsar!
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Today i went to spare part shop to buy wear n tear parts for my altis. Talked to the experience shop operator about recent invasion of conti car in msia, he said nice to drive than japanese car but be prepared to fork out tons of money to maintain after 5 years. Msia weather is not suitable for conti car. He added further volks passat side mirror can cost up to 6k if damage n getting a new one. After listening his story, i called up my camry salesman. Guess what, he can overtrade my 5 years old altis at 63k excluding the current promo by toyata such as 1st year insurance 4.5k, free premium tinted 2.3k. Overall, i have about 14.8k discount. Dont u think is a good deal?


Added on November 29, 2011, 11:49 pmToday i went to spare part shop to buy wear n tear parts for my altis. Talked to the experience shop operator about recent invasion of conti car in msia, he said nice to drive than japanese car but be prepared to fork out tons of money to maintain after 5 years. Msia weather is not suitable for conti car. He added further volks passat side mirror can cost up to 6k if damage n getting a new one. After listening his story, i called up my camry salesman. Guess what, he can overtrade my 5 years old altis at 63k excluding the current promo by toyata such as 1st year insurance 4.5k, free premium tinted 2.3k. Overall, i have about 14.8k discount. Dont u think is a good deal?

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QUOTE(Ambang2 @ Nov 29 2011, 11:48 PM)
Today i went to spare part shop to buy wear n tear parts for my altis. Talked to the experience shop operator about recent invasion of conti car in msia, he said nice to drive than japanese car but be prepared to fork out tons of money to maintain after 5 years. Msia weather is not suitable for conti car. He added further volks passat side mirror can cost up to 6k if damage n getting a new one. After listening his story, i called up my camry salesman. Guess what, he can overtrade my 5 years old altis at 63k excluding the current promo by toyata such as 1st year insurance 4.5k, free premium tinted 2.3k. Overall, i have about 14.8k discount. Dont u think is a good deal?


Added on November 29, 2011, 11:49 pmToday i went to spare part shop to buy wear n tear parts for my altis. Talked to the experience shop operator about recent invasion of conti car in msia, he said nice to drive than japanese car but be prepared to fork out tons of money to maintain after 5 years. Msia weather is not suitable for conti car. He added further volks passat side mirror can cost up to 6k if damage n getting a new one. After listening his story, i called up my camry salesman. Guess what, he can overtrade my 5 years old altis at 63k excluding the current promo by toyata such as 1st year insurance 4.5k, free premium tinted 2.3k. Overall, i have about 14.8k discount. Dont u think is a good deal?
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QUOTE(Ambang2 @ Nov 29 2011, 11:48 PM)
Today i went to spare part shop to buy wear n tear parts for my altis. Talked to the experience shop operator about recent invasion of conti car in msia, he said nice to drive than japanese car but be prepared to fork out tons of money to maintain after 5 years. Msia weather is not suitable for conti car. He added further volks passat side mirror can cost up to 6k if damage n getting a new one. After listening his story, i called up my camry salesman. Guess what, he can overtrade my 5 years old altis at 63k excluding the current promo by toyata such as 1st year insurance 4.5k, free premium tinted 2.3k. Overall, i have about 14.8k discount. Dont u think is a good deal?
Its a good deal overall! icon_rolleyes.gif . Anyway always take car advice with a pinch of salt. You never know the agenda some people might have.
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.... If you don't like sweet talk, and want an honest opinion, look for Leong from Peugeot Bangsar!

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SPCX, many thanks for sharing. Its hard to find straight-talking and capable sales folks these days.
Your note also points out one key point... there is some flexibility that each SA/branch can exercise in trying to close a sale.

So to all to-be buyers of Nasim cars, do know you should nego to get a good package of goodies!

Cheers!
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QUOTE(rcracer @ Nov 29 2011, 08:03 PM)
Kia already said they WILL NOT BRING IN good engines because of so-call 'Fuel Quality BS excuse'

Mondeo can bring the latest greatest EcoBoost, but KIA cannot

Kia like to treat malaysian like idiot, malaysian like being treated like idiot also
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O.o really?
But they had older versions of optima here. The new optima comes in 3 version, hybrid, normal, and turbo. I dont think they will be so evil to not bring any one of those hehe. Anyway kia mantainance is expensive.. So best still go for mondeo thumbup.gif

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QUOTE(spcx @ Nov 29 2011, 11:11 PM)
Got to ask my SA only he gives, lol. Getting full tank + smart tag, asked me to choose between smart tag or umbrella lol. biggrin.gif

But 1 thing I like about my SA is that he's a no nonsense man, doesn't make empty promises or give you hopes of getting the car earlier. When I first booked, he told me the car will only arrive Dec / Jan, if I'm ok then I book. Haha guess what, he pushed me to the first batch of cars! Was a good surprise smile.gif Does his job properly and quick, even the 2nd hand car dealer he introduced was a good lad, although the price was a lil low.

If you don't like sweet talk, and want an honest opinion, look for Leong from Peugeot Bangsar!
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Erm, to be fair I'd like to say the sweet talk and all the problem I faced has nothing to do with my SA. There's some internal bickering within Nasim that leads to all the delays I'm facing.

Some escalation here and there, I get my car earlier smile.gif
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A few week at MATRADE, i test 508. It's better than 407. Just test cornering and braking systems. But insurance cost about RM4.5k per years if not mistake. Road tax cost about RM180 if i'm not mistake.
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QUOTE(sleepy @ Nov 30 2011, 02:54 PM)
Erm, to be fair I'd like to say the sweet talk and all the problem I faced has nothing to do with my SA. There's some internal bickering within Nasim that leads to all the delays I'm facing.

Some escalation here and there, I get my car earlier smile.gif
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hey how's ur 508 doing? Im getting mine this Fri / Sat, going through Puspakom inspection now.. then Sunday sending it for 3M tinting!

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O.o really?
But they had older versions of optima here. The new optima comes in 3 version, hybrid, normal, and turbo. I dont think they will be so evil to not bring any one of those hehe. Anyway kia mantainance is expensive.. So best still go for mondeo thumbup.gif
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just curious, how sure are you that the mondeo's maintenance will be cheap? and, as the optima is not here yet, how sure are you that it will be expensive to maintain. and if you say expensive, what is your benchmark car?
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handling wise, conti cars eat jp cars and korean cars for breakfast.......


Added on November 30, 2011, 6:31 pmlooks - 508

handling - mondeo

built quality & specs - passat

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hey how's ur 508 doing? Im getting mine this Fri / Sat, going through Puspakom inspection now.. then Sunday sending it for 3M tinting!
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So far so good la, enjoying every moment of it. While on the road, it draws the attention of 407 owners though laugh.gif. Oh and also this car produces A LOT of brake dust. Damn. Cleaning brake dusts every 2-3 days
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Funny thing the peugeot always have problems with the battery and brake pad...

Anyway TS...i'm not sure how good is the new facelift camry coz mine is 2.0G prefacelift(same model)....1st year front abs kong a few months latter steering rack kong
3rd year now all abs kong already...emerngy brake o hard braking will make steering vibrate like crazy...have skimmed once...now have to skim again....Good thing is there are many cheaper after market stuff for japs car....like brake pad and such there are tooo many brands out there tat can suit camry. even after market rotors are quite cheap actually...surely it doesnt have those high tech stuff in the conti cars...its actually a plain boring car,hahaha...it doesnt have the superb gearbox others have,it have plain looking interior...ride comfort can be say quite good buy wind noise is quite there
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Got mine today! biggrin.gif

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QUOTE(Ambang2 @ Nov 29 2011, 11:48 PM)
Today i went to spare part shop to buy wear n tear parts for my altis. Talked to the experience shop operator about recent invasion of conti car in msia, he said nice to drive than japanese car but be prepared to fork out tons of money to maintain after 5 years. Msia weather is not suitable for conti car. He added further volks passat side mirror can cost up to 6k if damage n getting a new one.
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Even if u're buying parts directly from shop, u must also know which shop to go to.

Some shop don't stock the parts u want. They take it from some other shop when there's order. It could have passed 3-4 hands b4 it reaches u.

I've met a shop owner who once stocked Ssangyong parts. He told me the parts price generally not much difference from other Japan/Korea make. But bcos the parts are rare, the other spare parts shop after buying from him, sell for a 70-80% or even 100% margin to end-user.


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Got mine today!  biggrin.gif
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I don't agree with u. The authorised shop for certain brand is actually more expensive such as Weng hin for Toyota. people still go there n buy becos worrying of counterfeit parts. U end up paying premium to draw comfort.in fact, other shops are getting supplies from Weng hin n sell cheaper.
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I've been following this thread for quite some times already. Really impressed with this car but not yet test-driving. Need some opinion from you guys in few aspects which i think i'll rather concern: engine's noise, cabin's noise insulation & comfort of riding.

Currently, i owned a 7 year-old manual Wira (my first & latest car, paiseh). I don't bother much about 2nd-hand value and don't mind to get a conti car. Thanks.
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I've been following this thread for quite some times already. Really impressed with this car but not yet test-driving. Need some opinion from you guys in few aspects which i think i'll rather concern: engine's noise, cabin's noise insulation & comfort of riding.

Currently, i owned a 7 year-old manual Wira (my first & latest car, paiseh). I don't bother much about 2nd-hand value and don't mind to get a conti car. Thanks.
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Ford mondeo. Go test drive n I can assure u fall in love with it if resale value not a concern.
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QUOTE(liewjs @ Nov 30 2011, 11:32 PM)
I've been following this thread for quite some times already. Really impressed with this car but not yet test-driving. Need some opinion from you guys in few aspects which i think i'll rather concern: engine's noise, cabin's noise insulation & comfort of riding.

Currently, i owned a 7 year-old manual Wira (my first & latest car, paiseh). I don't bother much about 2nd-hand value and don't mind to get a conti car. Thanks.
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ahaha welcome. i upgraded from my 6 years old wira smile.gif trade in price for my wira was like 12.5k.. mehh!
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Which car? 508? If yes, great choice. I wont feel so lonely now laugh.gif
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handling wise, conti cars eat jp cars and korean cars for breakfast.......
As much as I would looooveee to support that (since I drive a conti car) but the damn Honda FD2R still out corners the hell out of the conti cars on track days man. sweat.gif sweat.gif
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ahaha welcome. i upgraded from my 6 years old wira smile.gif trade in price for my wira was like 12.5k.. mehh!
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Not going to trade-in my current car, will keep it. Spcx, have u got ur car? Please share with us. thumbup.gif
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Not going to trade-in my current car, will keep it. Spcx, have u got ur car? Please share with us.  thumbup.gif
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Some Car Prices Might Be Going Up Next Year. FORD MONDEO Price Comfirmed By Salesman That It Will Be Increased Around 7-12% For Next Year's Batch And The Car Will Be 99-100% Same As This Year's Batch. (Navigation Unit Package Might Come In As Optional) hmm.gif

BTW so sorry to tell you guys that this year's batch of FORD MONDEO has left a few units. According to the salesman - Johor, Pinang and a few other states have sold out all their Mondeo's and Some are not even displaying it in their showroom after a few weeks of displaying. blush.gif

As far as i know, 2 Days Ago KL Has Left Less Than 10 Units Of Mondeo.
Yesterday Noon, I went to showroom again, Mondeo's in KL Only Left 3 Units. 1 Silver, 2 Black. And Salesman Say Silver Might Have Been Sold Out - That Lefts 2 Black In Whole KL For Sale! And This Is Also Because Customers That Booked Cant Get Loan So Cancel Their Booking. shocking.gif

The Engine Is Powerful! Test Drive Liao! Sound Prooving Quite Good Even Trottle Hard! thumbup.gif According to salesman they only get 800 commision for a sale of Ford Mondeo as it is a very "EASY-TO-SELL" car. So dun expect much freebies. I manage to get Smart Tag, Full Tank, Secuirity 3M Tinting & Double 8 Number Plate for free. Its little but i think its a lot compared to the one i gone to yesterday didnt want to offer a single thing. vmad.gif One thing good is you get free mantainance for 3 years including all spare parts, labour etc. not even a single cent u need when u sent ur car for service.

But Peugeot Salesman say FORD Doesnt have its own service center. he says they give license to other center to do the job. therefor not professional enug. i dunno whether this is true.

Passat Design not very nice. Do Not Confuse Passat CC & Passat. Their Both On Different Classes Liao. Passat CC Around 260k Passat around 180k and their design are not the same. Of couse Passat CC is better and more stylish.

Toyota Camry comfirm launching new one next year between jun-dec according to a toyota salesman.

And Im Not Sure Bout This But Peugoet Salesman says ALL PEUGOET Cars & MPVs are Using The SAME ENGINE. Even u buy the 5008, 508, 308, 3008, the sporty one (forgot name) all using same engine. 1.6 Turbo (Feels Like 2.2) Didnt manage to test drive 508 cause car will be in Puchong Showroom 10+ December For A Limited Days.

Sorry Topic Mess Up cause its late and im just dumping all i can recall on sat and sun rclxms.gif Anything You Want to know more PM/Reply Here. Will Help As Much As Possible.
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QUOTE(DesmondMiles @ Dec 5 2011, 02:30 AM)
Some Car Prices Might Be Going Up Next Year. FORD MONDEO Price Comfirmed By Salesman That It Will Be Increased Around 7-12% For Next Year's Batch And The Car Will Be 99-100% Same As This Year's Batch. (Navigation Unit Package Might Come In As Optional)  hmm.gif

BTW so sorry to tell you guys that this year's batch of FORD MONDEO has left a few units. According to the salesman - Johor, Pinang and a few other states have sold out all their Mondeo's and Some are not even displaying it in their showroom after a few weeks of displaying.  blush.gif

As far as i know, 2 Days Ago KL Has Left Less Than 10 Units Of Mondeo.
Yesterday Noon, I went to showroom again, Mondeo's in KL Only Left 3 Units. 1 Silver, 2 Black. And Salesman Say Silver Might Have Been Sold Out - That Lefts 2 Black In Whole KL For Sale! And This Is Also Because Customers That Booked Cant Get Loan So Cancel Their Booking.  shocking.gif

The Engine Is Powerful! Test Drive Liao! Sound Prooving Quite Good Even Trottle Hard!  thumbup.gif According to salesman they only get 800 commision for a sale of Ford Mondeo as it is a very "EASY-TO-SELL" car. So dun expect much freebies. I manage to get Smart Tag, Full Tank, Secuirity 3M Tinting & Double 8 Number Plate for free. Its little but i think its a lot compared to the one i gone to yesterday didnt want to offer a single thing. vmad.gif  One thing good is you get free mantainance for 3 years including all spare parts, labour etc. not even a single cent u need when u sent ur car for service.

But Peugeot Salesman say FORD Doesnt have its own service center. he says they give license to other center to do the job. therefor not professional enug. i dunno whether this is true.

Passat Design not very nice. Do Not Confuse Passat CC & Passat. Their Both On Different Classes Liao. Passat CC Around 260k Passat around 180k and their design are not the same. Of couse Passat CC is better and more stylish.

Toyota Camry comfirm launching new one next year between jun-dec according to a toyota salesman.

And Im Not Sure Bout This But Peugoet Salesman says ALL PEUGOET Cars & MPVs are Using The SAME ENGINE. Even u buy the 5008, 508, 308, 3008, the sporty one (forgot name) all using same engine. 1.6 Turbo (Feels Like 2.2) Didnt manage to test drive 508 cause car will be in Puchong Showroom 10+ December For A Limited Days.

Sorry Topic Mess Up cause its late and im just dumping all i can recall on sat and sun  rclxms.gif  Anything You Want to know more PM/Reply Here. Will Help As Much As Possible.
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Ford have its own Service center smile.gif Toyota will Launch new Camry on First Quarter 2012 smile.gif

Btw Free number plate? You mean No.88?
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QUOTE(DesmondMiles @ Dec 5 2011, 02:30 AM)
Passat Design not very nice. Do Not Confuse Passat CC & Passat. Their Both On Different Classes Liao. Passat CC Around 260k Passat around 180k and their design are not the same. Of couse Passat CC is better and more stylish.

And Im Not Sure Bout This But Peugoet Salesman says ALL PEUGOET Cars & MPVs are Using The SAME ENGINE. Even u buy the 5008, 508, 308, 3008, the sporty one (forgot name) all using same engine. 1.6 Turbo (Feels Like 2.2) Didnt manage to test drive 508 cause car will be in Puchong Showroom 10+ December For A Limited Days.

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yea, the passat looks smaller than passat cc. and in the night the Rear LED design is a bit..special.

the peugeot most of the car now comes with 1.6turbo prince engine , the power very similar to 2.4liter. so they all shares the same advantages, and disadvantages. ^^
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Ford have its own Service center  smile.gif  Toyota will Launch new Camry on First Quarter 2012 smile.gif

Btw Free number plate? You mean No.88?
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Of Course Not Lol! 88 Will Be Around 10-20,000 Lol!
Double 8 Number Means 4 numbers with 88 Inside.

QUOTE(turbocharged @ Dec 5 2011, 09:12 AM)
yea, the passat looks smaller than passat cc. and in the night the Rear LED design is a bit..special.

the peugeot most of the car now comes with 1.6turbo prince engine , the power very similar to 2.4liter. so they all shares the same advantages, and disadvantages. ^^
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But My area has more Passat CC Then Passat lol! All Rich Peoples...

Yea Thats Problem with peugoet cars lol! rclxub.gif But the salesman say Peugoet Mantainance is cheaper than continental cars cause they service every 10,000 Km. Dunno hw true lar sweat.gif
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QUOTE(DesmondMiles @ Dec 5 2011, 10:51 AM)
Of Course Not Lol! 88 Will Be Around 10-20,000 Lol!
Double 8 Number Means 4 numbers with 88 Inside.
But My area has more Passat CC Then Passat lol! All Rich Peoples...

Yea Thats Problem with peugoet cars lol!  rclxub.gif  But the salesman say Peugoet Mantainance is cheaper than continental cars cause they service every 10,000 Km. Dunno hw true lar  sweat.gif
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bro most cars service every 10,000 km now. Even inspira also

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bro most cars service every 10,000 km now. Even inspira also
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In Europe most contis are IIRC every 20k... are they just trying to make money or are the conditions here so much tougher?

Anyway, if the Mondeo gets the satnav/radio unit Ford uses, then whoa, awesome. I love that one, might even be better than the RCD510 (or so...) from VW.
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Of Course Not Lol! 88 Will Be Around 10-20,000 Lol!
Double 8 Number Means 4 numbers with 88 Inside.
But My area has more Passat CC Then Passat lol! All Rich Peoples...

Yea Thats Problem with peugoet cars lol!  rclxub.gif  But the salesman say Peugoet Mantainance is cheaper than continental cars cause they service every 10,000 Km. Dunno hw true lar  sweat.gif
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bro most cars service every 10,000 km now. Even inspira also
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Dunno Much Lar, But He Say Most Conti Cars Service Every 5K. Their Car Service Every 10K So Can Save Money? Lol!
Nearest Service Center For Me @ PJ cry.gif
Mazda 6 Also Limited Stock. 2.0 No More According to them in PJ. 2.5 Left A Few Units.
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In Europe the service interval is 20k KM, but here need to change earlier la due to weather difference
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just placed my booking for 508 blue color. delivery expected in january. incentives, full tank, smart tag, crystal plates and rm300 tint voucher.

what's the interest you guys are offered?
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Get Accord & Camry if you dunwan to be caught in no resale value and expensive maintenance
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Best part of owning those cars is the time you get rid of them... thumbup.gif laugh.gif

Ah I see. Europe also has 30+°C, but also -10, while in M'sia the car is baked all the time with lots of humidity. Probably not so good, though I'd expect the extreme temp difference also to cause some wear and tear on the car. Ah well, nothing we change about it.

Our Kangoo service every 10k... Xsara in Europe every 20k, but yeah, different region.
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Some Car Prices Might Be Going Up Next Year. FORD MONDEO Price Comfirmed By Salesman That It Will Be Increased Around 7-12% For Next Year's Batch And The Car Will Be 99-100% Same As This Year's Batch. (Navigation Unit Package Might Come In As Optional)  hmm.gif

BTW so sorry to tell you guys that this year's batch of FORD MONDEO has left a few units. According to the salesman - Johor, Pinang and a few other states have sold out all their Mondeo's and Some are not even displaying it in their showroom after a few weeks of displaying.  blush.gif

As far as i know, 2 Days Ago KL Has Left Less Than 10 Units Of Mondeo.
Yesterday Noon, I went to showroom again, Mondeo's in KL Only Left 3 Units. 1 Silver, 2 Black. And Salesman Say Silver Might Have Been Sold Out - That Lefts 2 Black In Whole KL For Sale! And This Is Also Because Customers That Booked Cant Get Loan So Cancel Their Booking.  shocking.gif

The Engine Is Powerful! Test Drive Liao! Sound Prooving Quite Good Even Trottle Hard!  thumbup.gif According to salesman they only get 800 commision for a sale of Ford Mondeo as it is a very "EASY-TO-SELL" car. So dun expect much freebies. I manage to get Smart Tag, Full Tank, Secuirity 3M Tinting & Double 8 Number Plate for free. Its little but i think its a lot compared to the one i gone to yesterday didnt want to offer a single thing. vmad.gif  One thing good is you get free mantainance for 3 years including all spare parts, labour etc. not even a single cent u need when u sent ur car for service.
You really believe that salesman crap talk that the Mondeo has no stock cuz its selling so well ah? Common la bro. Open your eyes. How many Mondeo's do you see in the Klang Valley? So far ive only seen 3 and i drive around alot. That car is doing very badly. The only Ford doing well in Malaysia is the Fiesta. Ive seen much more Porsche's than the Mondeo for sure.

If that salesman says that 'its very easy to sell' then ask him to show you all the sales he has recorded in the last 1 year. Also ask him to show you how many sales his branch recorded. See if he dares to show! Mondeo not even among Top 50 models in Malaysia.

Dont be a fool. Salesmen will always feed rubbish to those who are willing to accept it. Or on hindsight, are you a Ford salesman yourself feeding us rubbish?

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You really believe that salesman crap talk that the Mondeo has no stock cuz its selling so well ah? Common la bro. Open your eyes. How many Mondeo's do you see in the Klang Valley? So far ive only seen 3 and i drive around alot. That car is doing very badly. The only Ford doing well in Malaysia is the Fiesta. Ive seen much more Porsche's than the Mondeo for sure.

If that salesman says that 'its very easy to sell' then ask him to show you all the sales he has recorded in the last 1 year. Also ask him to show you how many sales his branch recorded. See if he dares to show! Mondeo not even among Top 50 models in Malaysia.

Dont be a fool. Salesmen will always feed rubbish to those who are willing to accept it. Or on hindsight, are you a Ford salesman yourself feeding us rubbish?
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Yea I Only Seen One So Far On The Road. Its Under Populated. Ford Doesnt does any advertisement on Mondeo (Maybe i miss them) But So Far I Dont See Any. The Previous Mondeo was not using ECOBOOST Technology Thats Why It Doesnt Get Attention. Price was same with a 2.3 Engine. Who Would Want It? Just Another High Mantainance Executive Continental Car. doh.gif

The Star have compared a few executive cars and rated Mondeo The Best Value For Money Car. icon_idea.gif

Fiesta Is A Compact Car.. Many People are interested in it. Its A good car for a moderate income family. But i dont like its design though.
Anyway In Performance You Go Find Me A Car With Almost The Same Specs With Almost The Same Price... tongue.gif

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Get Accord & Camry if you dunwan to be caught in no resale value and expensive maintenance
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Actually Camry Resale Value Might Drop Because Many People Are Using Camry Now. Accord i not sure lar..
Saw Camry 2.4 111,100 4 Years Old. Still Quite High Price But Thats After Going Thru Dealer. Maybe they buy from you 90-100k.
And + New Camry Model Coming Out... Resale Value Sure Further Decrease Next Year.

But if compared to continental cars, they still win lor :|

Still Confused Whether to cancel booking and take next years model or just hang on to booking:
- If take this year's batch On Road Price Around 180k. But Resale Value Drop As its considered 1 year old car by next year.
- If take next year's batch, Price Comfirm Increase @ 7-12%. Some Say Next Year 200K+ But Car Counted As Brand New...

Need Advices. icon_question.gif

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The Star have compared a few executive cars and rated Mondeo The Best Value For Money Car.  icon_idea.gif

Fiesta Is A Compact Car.. Many People are interested in it. Its A good car for a moderate income family. But i dont like its design though.
Anyway In Performance You Go Find Me A Car With Almost The Same Specs With Almost The Same Price...  tongue.gif

I Booked A Ford Car, So You Think Im A Ford Salesman? Think Before Insulting!  vmad.gif


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Actually Camry Resale Value Might Drop Because Many People Are Using Camry Now. Accord i not sure lar..
Saw Camry 2.4 111,100 4 Years Old. Still Quite High Price But Thats After Going Thru Dealer. Maybe they buy from you 90-100k.
And + New Camry Model Coming Out... Resale Value Sure Further Decrease Next Year.

But if compared to continental cars, they still win lor :|

Still Confused Whether to cancel booking and take next years model or just hang on to booking:
- If take this year's batch On Road Price Around 180k. But Resale Value Drop As its considered 1 year old car by next year.
- If take next year's batch, Price Comfirm Increase @ 7-12%. Some Say Next Year 200K+ But Car Counted As Brand New...

Need Advices. icon_question.gif
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Value for money in the UK doesn't count s... in Malaysia. sad.gif Otherwise the Dacia Logan MCV could be considered the best value for money... 37k for a brand new 7 seater MPV with 2 airbags and ABS (3 stars EuroNCAP) in Germany. Doesn't count anything here though.

Don't think I have seen one in JB either...

Of course Ford salesmen shouldn't be driving a Toyota, lol.

I don't think you should really care about resale value... how much better can it be when you buy the 2012 model and have to pay 20k more? You think you can get 20k more after a few years? However, if it gets better equipment, such as the satnav (which, as I mentioned before, rocks (used it in the Galaxy. The display was IMHO a bit too dark there though). However the VW has a 30 GB HDD for your music, which is also quite neat. Of course I don't know how good the maps they have for Malaysia are, and how they will update it (and at what cost)), theeeeeen it might be worth it. Just.
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Value for money in the UK doesn't count s... in Malaysia. sad.gif Otherwise the Dacia Logan MCV could be considered the best value for money... 37k for a brand new 7 seater MPV with 2 airbags and ABS (3 stars EuroNCAP) in Germany. Doesn't count anything here though.

Don't think I have seen one in JB either...

Of course Ford salesmen shouldn't be driving a Toyota, lol.

I don't think you should really care about resale value... how much better can it be when you buy the 2012 model and have to pay 20k more? You think you can get 20k more after a few years? However, if it gets better equipment, such as the satnav (which, as I mentioned before, rocks (used it in the Galaxy. The display was IMHO a bit too dark there though). However the VW has a 30 GB HDD for your music, which is also quite neat. Of course I don't know how good the maps they have for Malaysia are, and how they will update it (and at what cost)), theeeeeen it might be worth it. Just.
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Lol, sorry to insult but i don't think a normal Ford Salesman can afford a Mondeo wink.gif

The salesman say next year batch MIGHT include a navigation unit as optional. Cause the current one is the basic model without any modifications import fully from Belgium. But anyway nt gonna get it. Might as well buy a good gps biggrin.gif

VW passat design looks outdated. Performance less price slightly higher, so i dun think I'll take that. But inside is nicer lar thumbup.gif now most off the car interior black.. Sure need tinting Liao.. sad.gif
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Lol, sorry to insult but i don't think a normal Ford Salesman can afford a Mondeo wink.gif

The salesman say next year batch MIGHT include a navigation unit as optional. Cause the current one is the basic model without any modifications import fully from Belgium. But anyway nt gonna get it. Might as well buy a good gps biggrin.gif

VW passat design looks outdated. Performance less price slightly higher, so i dun think I'll take that. But inside is nicer lar  thumbup.gif  now most off the car interior black.. Sure need tinting Liao..  sad.gif
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True.

Hm. Even then only optional... so expensive extra.

It's not the base spec model at least. DSG will be a costly extra in Europe, and there are less powerful engines. Automatic aircondition usually is an extra with contis, unless they are desperate to sell the car (Volvo C30). Leather of course too, the electric seat should be an option, and when speccing a Galaxy I think the keyless go system was optional too. In Europe you can often pick the Viva edition biggrin.gif That's why cars are so cheap. If you buy a 5 series you can pay 50k Euro... but you can easily pay 120k too, if you get a bit crazy with the options (and want the M5).

I think the reason why they don't spec it with a satnav but with everything else (which really makes the contis in M'sia rather comparably priced to Europe, if you go for the same specs, not counting any discounts the dealer might give you) is a lack of Malaysian maps, I guess. This is it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ws5r4uvZ2c The display next to the speedometer is also used for the satnav, so you don't have to look down to the big screen. You can control the satnav through the steering wheel. There is an optional parking camera for the satnav too, you control your phone, MP3 player etc. through it and IIRC also can play off an external hard drive, it will show the album art, play DVDs, control the aircondition, ... something similar to the iDrive system BMW has, so really it's a nice option smile.gif This is a more extensive demonstration of the thing. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bXrq-3Q-9r8 (it might be a different one from the one I have used though, and I don't know which one Malaysia will get. The Blaupunkt one is a bit more basic I think, but the interface looks a lot like the one I used... hm).

That's the VW unit, though the demo isn't that extensive (you can also control the automatic aircondition etc. through it). http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rdX2vKgTx1E&feature=related Again a nice unit, though I do like the Ford one more. More gadgets. The VW might be easier to use... hm.

IMHO the VW is the Camry of Europe. lol. It's playing it safe, it may not offend anyone (so it might look a tad boring). But it certainly is a good car... just not as flamboyant and exciting as the rest.

Oh btw., the Citroen C5 is 189k, and that's the most comfortable option of them all, and it, too, is nicely spec'ed (also a very attractive car, if you ask me). It has the suspension Citroen are famous for, the one that Rolly Royce and Bentley licensed from Citroen because it is so incredibly comfortable. Of course that doesn't make it a sportscar, but with the condition some Malaysian roads are in it might be the car I'd pick (if I could). (I wonder why they installed 18" rims on that car though... I'd go for 15 or 16"). And they didn't bother to update the website to the Malaysian market, which does worry me a bit (they advertise optional features and trim models that you can't get in Malaysia. lol?)
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Lol, sorry to insult but i don't think a normal Ford Salesman can afford a Mondeo wink.gif

The salesman say next year batch MIGHT include a navigation unit as optional. Cause the current one is the basic model without any modifications import fully from Belgium. But anyway nt gonna get it. Might as well buy a good gps biggrin.gif

VW passat design looks outdated. Performance less price slightly higher, so i dun think I'll take that. But inside is nicer lar  thumbup.gif  now most off the car interior black.. Sure need tinting Liao..  sad.gif
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I hope that the next batch of S-max will have leather seats...that would be great
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The Current S-Max Already Have Leather Seats. According to the salesman, they say some families dun like leather seats cause not comfortable for them so they prefer fabric. But Leather More Expensive Lar.. Didnt take note of the price as once i see the last 2 seats... I would as well take Mazda 5 Or Peugoet 5008, But Power Still Cannot Match Lar sweat.gif The Last 2 Seats Very Cramp, Chair Cannot Move.. Only thing that is adjustable is its headrest.. If you got 2 small kids can lar. But when they grow up, they will be fighting for the middle row mad.gif I love the voice control thing on both mondeo and s-max. Can Understand our voice well. smile.gif

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The Current S-Max Already Have Leather Seats. According to the salesman, they say some families dun like leather seats cause not comfortable for them so they prefer fabric. But Leather More Expensive Lar.. Didnt take note of the price as once i see the last 2 seats... I would as well take Mazda 5 Or Peugoet 5008, But Power Still Cannot Match Lar sweat.gif The Last 2 Seats Very Cramp, Chair Cannot Move.. Only thing that is adjustable is its headrest.. If you got 2 small kids can lar. But when they grow up, they will be fighting for the middle row mad.gif I love the voice control thing on both mondeo and s-max. Can Understand our voice well.  smile.gif
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QUOTE(DesmondMiles @ Dec 6 2011, 07:10 PM)
The Current S-Max Already Have Leather Seats. According to the salesman, they say some families dun like leather seats cause not comfortable for them so they prefer fabric. But Leather More Expensive Lar.. Didnt take note of the price as once i see the last 2 seats... I would as well take Mazda 5 Or Peugoet 5008, But Power Still Cannot Match Lar sweat.gif The Last 2 Seats Very Cramp, Chair Cannot Move.. Only thing that is adjustable is its headrest.. If you got 2 small kids can lar. But when they grow up, they will be fighting for the middle row mad.gif I love the voice control thing on both mondeo and s-max. Can Understand our voice well.  smile.gif
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you mean the new batch of s-max have leather seats? the current batch does not have them....they are fabric
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you mean the new batch of s-max have leather seats? the current batch does not have them....they are fabric
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if talk about features, I think 508 wins between the 3. What 508 lack is the engine.. smile.gif
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This showed up today with a surprise smile.gif

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Beautifully made, drives like a charm, and well equipped within its price range.
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if talk about features, I think 508 wins between the 3. What 508 lack is the engine.. smile.gif
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QUOTE(DesmondMiles @ Dec 6 2011, 01:38 AM)
Yea I Only Seen One So Far On The Road. Its Under Populated. Ford Doesnt does any advertisement on Mondeo (Maybe i miss them) But So Far I Dont See Any. The Previous Mondeo was not using ECOBOOST Technology Thats Why It Doesnt Get Attention. Price was same with a 2.3 Engine. Who Would Want It? Just Another High Mantainance Executive Continental Car. doh.gif

The Star have compared a few executive cars and rated Mondeo The Best Value For Money Car.   icon_idea.gif

Fiesta Is A Compact Car.. Many People are interested in it. Its A good car for a moderate income family. But i dont like its design though.
Anyway In Performance You Go Find Me A Car With Almost The Same Specs With Almost The Same Price...  tongue.gif

I Booked A Ford Car, So You Think Im A Ford Salesman? Think Before Insulting!  vmad.gif
So do you still believe that your salesman is talking sense when he said its so easy to sell Mondeos? Do u still believe that Mondeo sales are sooo good? For your info, only 6 Mondeo's were sold in Sept and only 56 in total so far this year. Does that sound like a great sales record for you? Even Porsche sold more Cayenne's than the Mondeo and that's a luxury car. Ecoboost or not, Mondeo's dont appeal here in Malaysia. Looks good in pics but not in reality especially the rear. Surely not a head turner.

Take these stats and go see your salesman and see what he has to say bout his sales record. How i hate these lying salesmen! vmad.gif

The Star may have done a review but ive yet a read a poor review on the Peugeot 508. Ive read some poor reviews bout the Passat 1.8. Its even ranked among the Top 10 most disappointing cars of 2011 along with the 2012 Honda Civic.

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Haha, maybe they only have 5, so they were sold out? But yeah, sales aren't exactly great. I have to disagree about the looks though, I think it also looks great in reality, including the rear... the Fiesta sedan tries to resemble it, but not very successful to be honest.

I suppose if you can afford the Mondeo you have several other Contis and other imports to choose from, and they are more attractive in terms of resale value and ease of maintenance.

Btw., the 508 is sitting on the same platform as the C5, just with a sporty focus instead of being super smooth like the C5. Probably just a matter of taste. smile.gif

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So do you still believe that your salesman is talking sense when he said its so easy to sell Mondeos? Do u still believe that Mondeo sales are sooo good? For your info, only 6 Mondeo's were sold in Sept and only 56 in total so far this year. Does that sound like a great sales record for you? Even Porsche sold more Cayenne's than the Mondeo and that's a luxury car. Ecoboost or not, Mondeo's dont appeal here in Malaysia. Looks good in pics but not in reality especially the rear. Surely not a head turner.

Take these stats and go see your salesman and see what he has to say bout his sales record. How i hate these lying salesmen!  vmad.gif

The Star may have done a review but ive yet a read a poor review on the Peugeot 508. Ive read some poor reviews bout the Passat 1.8. Its even ranked among the Top 10 most disappointing cars of 2011 along with the 2012 Honda Civic.
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I finally did a test drive on the Peugeot 508 at TTDI branch.

I must say that im very impressed with the acceleration and torque. We had 4 ppl in the car (with the salesman). The power feed is almost instantaneos when you floor the pedal. But the gearshifts are not that smooth as i would expect from a new generation car. I think almost similar to a 2003 Vios.

Sound insulation is good with infiltration of road noise into the cabin at minimum. Managed to hit 110kmph on Sprint and was impressed with the sound insulation. At that speed, the engine had a low purring sound when pushed which further demonstrated the good cabin insulation. The Michelin tyres also made a difference too i suppose. Didnt get a chance to go faster as there was traffic. Would have loved to push it to 140kmph and really get a feel of the insulation then.

But i must say i wasnt impressed with the suspension. Felt harsh going over bumps and potholes in TTDI. Surely wasnt expecting that with a premium car. Salesman claimed that's due to the bigger 18 inch rims but i doubt this was the case.

But im now having 2nd thoughts bout the car due to the rear. It didnt look that bad in the showroom but on the road and when viewed outside, the rear end doesnt look impressive at all. Gave the car an overall old feeling. The front was impressive as expected but the rear was a disappointment.

Also the much touted JBL sound system was a bit of a let down. Sitting in the rear you dont get the surround sound effect. Despite the salesman toying with the balancing and equalisers, it was still 1 sided (front). Rear speakers was almost non existant.

The rear seats also wasnt that comfortable on longer drives. Didnt feel it during my showroom visits but on the longer drive it wasnt as comfy as i would have expected.

For RM 169K, I think ill wait for the upcoming Camry before i decide. But my enthusiasm for the 508 has somewhat deminished after my test drive yesterday. Will do a few more test drives in the coming months.

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I finally did a test drive on the Peugeot 508 at TTDI branch.

I must say that im very impressed with the acceleration and torque. We had 4 ppl in the car (with the salesman). The power feed is almost instantaneos when you floor the pedal. But the gearshifts are not that smooth as i would expect from a new generation car. I think almost similar to a 2003 Vios.

Sound insulation is good with infiltration of road noise into the cabin at minimum. Managed to hit 110kmph on Sprint and was impressed with the sound insulation. At that speed, the engine had a low purring sound when pushed which further demonstrated the good cabin insulation. The Michelin tyres also made a difference too i suppose. Didnt get a chance to go faster as there was traffic. Would have loved to push it to 140kmph and really get a feel of the insulation then.

But i must say i wasnt impressed with the suspension. Felt harsh going over bumps and potholes in TTDI. Surely wasnt expecting that with a premium car. Salesman claimed that's due to the bigger 18 inch rims but i doubt this was the case.

But im now having 2nd thoughts bout the car due to the rear. It didnt look that bad in the showroom but on the road and when viewed outside, the rear end doesnt look impressive at all. Gave the car an overall old feeling. The front was impressive as expected but the rear was a disappointment.

Also the much touted JBL sound system was a bit of a let down. Sitting in the rear you dont get the surround sound effect. Despite the salesman toying with the balancing and equalisers, it was still 1 sided (front). Rear speakers was almost non existant.

The rear seats also wasnt that comfortable on longer drives. Didnt feel it during my showroom visits but on the longer drive it wasnt as comfy as i would have expected.

For RM 169K, I think ill wait for the upcoming Camry before i decide. But my enthusiasm for the 508 has somewhat deminished after my test drive yesterday. Will do a few more test drives in the coming months.
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Usually European cars usually have a rather sporty suspension. If you want that smooooooth ride, try the C5 (it has the hydropneumatik suspension in Malaysia, right?). That's the one that was meant for a smooth comfortable ride, and boy did the XM glide over the road! I've read that PSA tried to differentiate the brothers by making the 508 pretty sporty, while the C5 was meant to be comfortable (hell, Rolls Royce and Bentley used the system, and the S class offers a somewhat similar system... as an option). It's also a better looking car, if you ask me. Getting replacement spheres for the C5's suspension might get a bit harder though, in case they wear out. Not many cars who need them here, but you could import them from Europe (afaik there are also comfort spheres in case you want an even smoother suspension).

Also 18 inchers AFAIK do ruin the ride a bit, because they tyres are also part of the suspension, and there isn't much with a 18"... I guess asking them to mount 16" to try out isn't an option?

Have you considered one of the DSG cars, such as the Passat? (doesn't the Mondeo have it too? Hm...)
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Usually European cars usually have a rather sporty suspension. If you want that smooooooth ride, try the C5 (it has the hydropneumatik suspension in Malaysia, right?). That's the one that was meant for a smooth comfortable ride, and boy did the XM glide over the road! I've read that PSA tried to differentiate the brothers by making the 508 pretty sporty, while the C5 was meant to be comfortable (hell, Rolls Royce and Bentley used the system, and the S class offers a somewhat similar system... as an option). It's also a better looking car, if you ask me. Getting replacement spheres for the C5's suspension might get a bit harder though, in case they wear out. Not many cars who need them here, but you could import them from Europe (afaik there are also comfort spheres in case you want an even smoother suspension).

Also 18 inchers AFAIK do ruin the ride a bit, because they tyres are also part of the suspension, and there isn't much with a 18"... I guess asking them to mount 16" to try out isn't an option?

Have you considered one of the DSG cars, such as the Passat? (doesn't the Mondeo have it too? Hm...)
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this is true, problem europe has near perfect roads anywhere everywhere, even back roads are better than our best highways, that's why they can have much harder suspensions.

It's happening to all new conti cars, even the new ford focus
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Mh... again, I have to disagree. Some german streets are in an absolutely desolate state, many towns are bankrupt and can't afford to repair them. However the highway is usually in good shape. I have seen towns that are in worse shape than what I have seen in Malaysia so far. I was in a town once where no one drove faster than 20 to evade all the potholes...! (They were redoing all the streets though...) Really depends on what area you are in, but you can't generalize. Especially towns are in a bad shape.

Not sure why they are all trying to be as sporty as possible :-/ It doesn't make that much sense nowadays. As if Europeans are always driving on race tracks... -.-
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QUOTE(rcracer @ Dec 11 2011, 04:25 PM)
this is true, problem europe has near perfect roads anywhere everywhere, even back roads are better than our best highways, that's why they can have much harder suspensions.

It's happening to all new conti cars, even the new ford focus
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if you watch topgear, you will realized the UK is full of pot hole.

there was an episode they were showing the PROTON SAGA ( yes, ours) are blown up, after went through a few potholes.

moon is rounder in other country, but not that round.

US road is very good, thats why they have muscle car, and jap's road is perfect, but not europe.
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QUOTE(kadajawi @ Dec 11 2011, 09:46 AM)
Mh... again, I have to disagree. Some german streets are in an absolutely desolate state, many towns are bankrupt and can't afford to repair them. However the highway is usually in good shape. I have seen towns that are in worse shape than what I have seen in Malaysia so far. I was in a town once where no one drove faster than 20 to evade all the potholes...! (They were redoing all the streets though...) Really depends on what area you are in, but you can't generalize. Especially towns are in a bad shape.

Not sure why they are all trying to be as sporty as possible :-/ It doesn't make that much sense nowadays. As if Europeans are always driving on race tracks... -.-
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if you watch topgear, you will realized the UK is full of pot hole.

there was an episode they were showing the PROTON SAGA ( yes, ours) are blown up, after went through a few potholes.

moon is rounder in other country, but not that round.

US road is very good, thats why they have muscle car, and jap's road is perfect, but not europe.
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You do realize those that can afford these cars normally don't live in those towns also.

i know what i talk about, i've been living in europe for 2 years working here
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.... Didnt get a chance to go faster as there was traffic. Would have loved to push it to 140kmph and really get a feel of the insulation then.

But i must say i wasnt impressed with the suspension. Felt harsh going over bumps and potholes in TTDI. Surely wasnt expecting that with a premium car. Salesman claimed that's due to the bigger 18 inch rims but i doubt this was the case.

But im now having 2nd thoughts bout the car due to the rear. It didnt look that bad in the showroom but on the road and when viewed outside, the rear end doesnt look impressive at all. Gave the car an overall old feeling. The front was impressive as expected but the rear was a disappointment.

Also the much touted JBL sound system was a bit of a let down. Sitting in the rear you dont get the surround sound effect. Despite the salesman toying with the balancing and equalisers, it was still 1 sided (front). Rear speakers was almost non existant.....

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The 508 seems to be very comfortable in the 140 to 160 zone. It easily went beyond 170 but at that point I think it was my nerves that gave way, not the car! sweat.gif

If you compare the 16" wheeled Camry, vs the 18"x45mm in the Pug, surely the 508 would feel bumpier. You're giving away 2 inches of air in exchange for better side-wall rigidity.... something's gotta give. At least at this price range, kan? But try taking sharper corners at higher speeds... you'll know which of the 2 you feel more confident with! tongue.gif

I know how you feel... especially after reading so much about it, hearing so much good stuff being talked about a car.... somehow no matter how, it will buckle under tremendous expectations! Give some time in between, and go for another test drive. I'm sure your impression of it will be less harsh. Better yet, test-drive the Mondeo/Passat first before going for the 508, then see how hmm.gif

Lastly on the JBL.... yeah, I do admit its 10-speaker, 500w reputation turned out to be a bit of a let-down, if you're expecting a boombastic experience. Its adequate, IMHO, but no better than the usual 6-speaker system from other D-segments.

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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Dec 11 2011, 12:12 PM)
But i must say i wasnt impressed with the suspension. Felt harsh going over bumps and potholes in TTDI. Surely wasnt expecting that with a premium car. Salesman claimed that's due to the bigger 18 inch rims but i doubt this was the case.

But im now having 2nd thoughts bout the car due to the rear. It didnt look that bad in the showroom but on the road and when viewed outside, the rear end doesnt look impressive at all. Gave the car an overall old feeling. The front was impressive as expected but the rear was a disappointment.

Also the much touted JBL sound system was a bit of a let down. Sitting in the rear you dont get the surround sound effect. Despite the salesman toying with the balancing and equalisers, it was still 1 sided (front). Rear speakers was almost non existant.

The rear seats also wasnt that comfortable on longer drives. Didnt feel it during my showroom visits but on the longer drive it wasnt as comfy as i would have expected.

For RM 169K, I think ill wait for the upcoming Camry before i decide. But my enthusiasm for the 508 has somewhat deminished after my test drive yesterday. Will do a few more test drives in the coming months.
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Hey bro, I have had the pleasure of owning the 508 for 4 days now and my previous car was a Camry. The ride/handling focus is definitely setup differently to the Camry. The Camry's primary aim is comfort and I feel Toyota has done a wonderful job in achieving that. Whereas, the 508 is more of a cornering performer than all out comfort cruiser so its two different setups here. European cars generally have a biased setup towards handling than outright comfort. To say that the 508 is uncomfortable would be very unfair, Peugeot has done a good job at striking the balance between comfort and performance. Just over potholes, it may feel a little firm, but over time and you will grow onto it. There were times, when I wished the Camry had a little bit more cornering capabilities on the highway instead of feeling like a comfortable barge which was very understeer prone esp the rear, but the 508 has cured this problem.

I expected more from the JBL sound system myself, but to be honest, the rear speakers are there just to create the bass when required, not much mids and high's from it that's why it may sound non existent. However there is a setting in the audio setup, you can choose either "driver' or "all passengers" for the sound staging and personally this makes all the difference in the surround sound it produces.

I agree that the rear looks really good when the car is stationary, but when on the move, the same can't be said. It makes the car look bulky, and at certain vantage points, the "old" feeling comes to mind. But with the running lights on, I have been getting all the stares from curious bystanders and neighboring cars at traffic lights. It's definitely a looker and manages to attract "good" attention to itself.

I am happy with my choice, the car is way nicer to drive than a Camry, more involving. The Camry is boring, and very monotonous. The 508 on the other hand, is a eager one to be pushed into corners, and accelerate out of traffic lights stops. Maybe another drive in the 508 and you may see the light in it. Cheers buddy smile.gif

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QUOTE(zftrans @ Dec 11 2011, 09:46 PM)
Hey bro, I have had the pleasure of owning the 508 for 4 days now and my previous car was a Camry. The ride/handling focus is definitely setup differently to the Camry. The Camry's primary aim is comfort and I feel Toyota has done a wonderful job in achieving that. Whereas, the 508 is more of a cornering performer than all out comfort cruiser so its two different setups here. European cars generally have a biased setup towards handling than outright comfort. To say that the 508 is uncomfortable would be very unfair, Peugeot has done a good job at striking the balance between comfort and performance. Just over potholes, it may feel a little firm, but over time and you will grow onto it. There were times, when I wished the Camry had a little bit more cornering capabilities on the highway instead of feeling like a comfortable barge which was very understeer prone esp the rear, but the 508 has cured this problem.

I expected more from the JBL sound system myself, but to be honest, the rear speakers are there just to create the bass when required, not much mids and high's from it that's why it may sound non existent. However there is a setting in the audio setup, you can choose either "driver' or "all passengers" for the sound staging and personally this makes all the difference in the surround sound it produces.

I agree that the rear looks really good when the car is stationary, but when on the move, the same can't be said. It makes the car look bulky, and at certain vantage points, the "old" feeling comes to mind. But with the running lights on, I have been getting all the stares from curious bystanders and neighboring cars at traffic lights. It's definitely a looker and manages to attract "good" attention to itself.

I am happy with my choice, the car is way nicer to drive than a Camry, more involving. The Camry is boring, and very monotonous. The 508 on the other hand, is a eager one to be pushed into corners, and accelerate out of traffic lights stops. Maybe another drive in the 508 and you may see the light in it. Cheers buddy smile.gif
Well i did try for a 2nd test drive today but there were many ppls waiting to test drive so didnt get a chance. Will surely give it a few more tries.

I didnt generalise the 508 as being uncomfortable. Just the rear seats which sorta didnt fit in. Im a slim guy so no weight factor there. The sound system was set to 'all passengers' and yet it made no difference.

Cornering abilities dont rank that high for me. Im always carefull on corners. I would surely prefer the Camry comfort & supple suspension to the 508's cornering abilities.

But i can accept the suspension and sound systems but what im still far away from is the rear design. It surely looks old fashioned from afar and nowadays when u have the sporty cars like the Hyundai Elantra and Kia Optima coming, one would expect a better rear design from Peugeot especially since they did a good job on the front.
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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Dec 11 2011, 09:57 PM)
Well i did try for a 2nd test drive today but there were many ppls waiting to test drive so didnt get a chance. Will surely give it a few more tries.

I didnt generalise the 508 as being uncomfortable. Just the rear seats which sorta didnt fit in. Im a slim guy so no weight factor there. The sound system was set to 'all passengers' and yet it made no difference.

Cornering abilities dont rank that high for me. Im always carefull on corners. I would surely prefer the Camry comfort & supple suspension to the 508's cornering abilities.

But i can accept the suspension and sound systems but what im still far away from is the rear design. It surely looks old fashioned from afar and nowadays when u have the sporty cars like the Hyundai Elantra and Kia Optima coming, one would expect a better rear design from Peugeot especially since they did a good job on the front.
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If comfort ranks high, you should definitely steer away from European rides, except Mercedes benz... Those Euro rides are normally firmer compared to Japanese ( Camry comes to mind, good comfort but floaty at speeds )..

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yea, they usually tune more towards cornering cuz their road is more smooth unlike malaysia road where u have to tuned towards comfort...
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i still think european car is more tuned towards comfort.

try test drive one, and try go through speed bump without stopping.

and do it again with camry.

then we know whether japan/europe road are smooth or not.

i tested quite a number of times of 407 and 308, i found they can handle rubbish road better than jap car.

euro has so many village kind of road. japan is really urbanized.
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QUOTE(turbocharged @ Dec 11 2011, 06:07 PM)
if you watch topgear, you will realized the UK is full of pot hole.

there was an episode they were showing the PROTON SAGA ( yes, ours) are blown up, after went through a few potholes.

moon is rounder in other country, but not that round.

US road is very good, thats why they have muscle car, and jap's road is perfect, but not europe.
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US roads also not good anymore... they don't even have enough money for cops! Some parts of Detroit are without protection at all through cops, AFAIK. (http://streetsblog.net/2011/11/16/the-high-cost-of-cheap-roads/ Look at that photo!)

It's not all bad in Europe... France has excellent highways (damn expensive to drive there), swiss roads also seemed pretty good where I was (drivers bad though, lol). Germany it really depends... some places good, some very bad, whereas in Malaysia it generally seems to tend towards the latter. You wouldn't find a highway with a giant pothole in Germany. In cities though it might happen, though IIRC these potholes aren't as deep and big as they are sometimes in Malaysia.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ykB4Ek8Maf0 This is in Berlin. Admittedly the holes are all "fixed". Except for this one. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xd4RsSNVe6U And the last video... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GT3iFk9aFa4

I thought the Camry is rather soft? An uncle drove an old Camry (not sure which one), and my (admittedly bad) memories
were of a rather soft ride. No comparison to a Citroen XM though of course. And of course soft doesn't have to mean it takes bumps well.

Perhaps the reason for the rather stiff rides of contis is that roads can be quite curvy, and the speed limit between towns in Germany is for example 100, sometimes even with very twisty roads (sometimes there are speed limits in that case, sometimes there aren't). The road to the Nordschleife is a dream, weren't it for the cops. You'll want a car that corners well. My Renault 19 was a lot softer than the Citroen Xsara we bought after that, and lets not even mention the Golf IV I learned to drive on. Loved driving "fast" over bumpy roads where those with lowered cars had to drive very slow.

Btw., http://www.gadling.com/2009/04/29/the-wors...e-gadling-tour/ biggrin.gif Check out that video from Michigan.

I'd still push you over to Citroen. C5 and C6 are pretty comfortable, though they can also corner. A Galaxy would also strike a decent balance between comfy and good handling, but not available and also not exactly what you are looking for probably (I wonder how it does it... perhaps the car just flattens the road with its weight). But perhaps the Mondeo, based on the same platform IIRC, can handle similarly?

The latest 5 series BMW with the suspension set to comfort is also supposed to take everything nicely. And when you want to speed, set the car to sport. thumbup.gif

Oh, btw. I've read that the CKD Renault Kangoo is stiffer than the CBU one... and my CKD certainly feels rather stiff, conti like. What the...?

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If comfort ranks high, you should definitely steer away from European rides, except Mercedes benz... Those Euro rides are normally firmer compared to Japanese ( Camry comes to mind, good comfort but floaty at speeds )..
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Ya man, and on top of that, you should check out something like the "Teana vs Camry" thread instead of an all-european thread like this.... over there, comfort rules!
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Ya man, and on top of that, you should check out something like the "Teana vs Camry" thread instead of an all-european thread like this.... over there, comfort rules!
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I suddenly started looking at the Audi A4 1.8TFSI today. Price is approx RM 240K (OTR with insurance). Not sure if it would be worth the extra 70K over the 508.

http://www.audi.com.my/sea/brand/my/models/a4/a4_saloon.html


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QUOTE(kadajawi @ Dec 12 2011, 12:30 AM)
US roads also not good anymore... they don't even have enough money for cops! Some parts of Detroit are without protection at all through cops, AFAIK. (http://streetsblog.net/2011/11/16/the-high-cost-of-cheap-roads/ Look at that photo!)

It's not all bad in Europe... France has excellent highways (damn expensive to drive there), swiss roads also seemed pretty good where I was (drivers bad though, lol). Germany it really depends... some places good, some very bad, whereas in Malaysia it generally seems to tend towards the latter. You wouldn't find a highway with a giant pothole in Germany. In cities though it might happen, though IIRC these potholes aren't as deep and big as they are sometimes in Malaysia.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ykB4Ek8Maf0 This is in Berlin. Admittedly the holes are all "fixed". Except for this one. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xd4RsSNVe6U And the last video... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GT3iFk9aFa4

I thought the Camry is rather soft? An uncle drove an old Camry (not sure which one), and my (admittedly bad) memories
were of a rather soft ride. No comparison to a Citroen XM though of course. And of course soft doesn't have to mean it takes bumps well.

Perhaps the reason for the rather stiff rides of contis is that roads can be quite curvy, and the speed limit between towns in Germany is for example 100, sometimes even with very twisty roads (sometimes there are speed limits in that case, sometimes there aren't). The road to the Nordschleife is a dream, weren't it for the cops. You'll want a car that corners well. My Renault 19 was a lot softer than the Citroen Xsara we bought after that, and lets not even mention the Golf IV I learned to drive on. Loved driving "fast" over bumpy roads where those with lowered cars had to drive very slow.

Btw., http://www.gadling.com/2009/04/29/the-wors...e-gadling-tour/ biggrin.gif Check out that video from Michigan.

I'd still push you over to Citroen. C5 and C6 are pretty comfortable, though they can also corner. A Galaxy would also strike a decent balance between comfy and good handling, but not available and also not exactly what you are looking for probably (I wonder how it does it... perhaps the car just flattens the road with its weight). But perhaps the Mondeo, based on the same platform IIRC, can handle similarly?

The latest 5 series BMW with the suspension set to comfort is also supposed to take everything nicely. And when you want to speed, set the car to sport.  thumbup.gif

Oh, btw. I've read that the CKD Renault Kangoo is stiffer than the CBU one... and my CKD certainly feels rather stiff, conti like. What the...?
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I suddenly started looking at the Audi A4 1.8TFSI today. Price is approx RM 240K (OTR with insurance). Not sure if it would be worth the extra 70K over the 508.

http://www.audi.com.my/sea/brand/my/models/a4/a4_saloon.html
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The A6 is supposed to have a very hard suspension, while the BMW 5 series can do both hard and soft. A4 I don't know, but I wouldn't be surprised if it is hard too.

@chuakz: But you might buy the Camry for the soft ride and not resale value, and those who do that should look at the C5. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eiSwy3APt3g Maybe you remember the test of the C6 vs the 5 series BMW on Top Gear, where they drove on a dirt track.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hn_CDmpdxfc Another video of a C5 on a poorly surfaced road, unfortunately the camera wasn't firmly attached to the car.
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QUOTE(kadajawi @ Dec 12 2011, 09:41 PM)
The A6 is supposed to have a very hard suspension, while the BMW 5 series can do both hard and soft. A4 I don't know, but I wouldn't be surprised if it is hard too.

@chuakz: But you might buy the Camry for the soft ride and not resale value, and those who do that should look at the C5. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eiSwy3APt3g Maybe you remember the test of the C6 vs the 5 series BMW on Top Gear, where they drove on a dirt track.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hn_CDmpdxfc Another video of a C5 on a poorly surfaced road, unfortunately the camera wasn't firmly attached to the car.
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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Dec 12 2011, 07:33 PM)
I suddenly started looking at the Audi A4 1.8TFSI today. Price is approx RM 240K (OTR with insurance). Not sure if it would be worth the extra 70K over the 508.

http://www.audi.com.my/sea/brand/my/models/a4/a4_saloon.html
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The only issue with the A4 is the damn waiting list. Heck especially now with the new facelifted model. Uncle had to wait around 8 months for his A4. If can, why not aim for a 2nd hand one.

http://www.mudah.my/Audi+A4+1+8T+FSI-12834788.htm
http://www.mudah.my/Audi+A4+1+8T+S+Line-12734856.htm
http://www.mudah.my/Audi+A4+1+8+Turbo-12154615.htm

Euromobil's service isn't that fantastic, they are also extremely anal about the warranty (heck my uncle was threatened that if he did tinting outside they would void his warranty which was utter BS).
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QUOTE(Mavik @ Dec 13 2011, 05:13 PM)
The only issue with the A4 is the damn waiting list. Heck especially now with the new facelifted model. Uncle had to wait around 8 months for his A4. If can, why not aim for a 2nd hand one.

http://www.mudah.my/Audi+A4+1+8T+FSI-12834788.htm
http://www.mudah.my/Audi+A4+1+8T+S+Line-12734856.htm
http://www.mudah.my/Audi+A4+1+8+Turbo-12154615.htm

Euromobil's service isn't that fantastic, they are also extremely anal about the warranty (heck my uncle was threatened that if he did tinting outside they would void his warranty which was utter BS).
They are offering a RM 4,600 discount from the nett selling price for sales before 31 Dec. New batch arriving in 2 weeks time. But i heard there's a new A4 due to be launched mid 2012. So if i do decide to go for the existing model, it would be best to wait for 2012 and get better discounts.
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An interesting read about Ford after sales service:

http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/1989339/+1000

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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Dec 12 2011, 07:33 PM)
I suddenly started looking at the Audi A4 1.8TFSI today. Price is approx RM 240K (OTR with insurance). Not sure if it would be worth the extra 70K over the 508.

http://www.audi.com.my/sea/brand/my/models/a4/a4_saloon.html
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Have you take a look at the Passat CC? Nice Design Around That Price Range.. thumbup.gif

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Have you take a look at the Passat CC? Nice Design Around That Price Range.. thumbup.gif

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QUOTE(DesmondMiles @ Dec 14 2011, 07:01 PM)
Have you take a look at the Passat CC? Nice Design Around That Price Range.. thumbup.gif

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Passat CC is more expensive. Approx RM 265K (OTR with insurance).

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Volkswagen as in Passat is basically a cheaper Audi. The electronics is similar, interior is similar but the passat plastics feel kind of cheapo compared to Audi. Not as luxurious.
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Yup. And even cheaper than that is Skoda. Though we are talking about a relatively high level here, for all of these cars.
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QUOTE(huaren1978 @ Dec 15 2011, 10:14 PM)
Volkswagen as in Passat is basically a cheaper Audi. The electronics is similar, interior is similar but the passat plastics feel kind of cheapo compared to Audi. Not as luxurious.
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QUOTE(Bliz @ Dec 16 2011, 04:57 PM)
Riding in a passat feels remarkable similar to an Audi A4... just test driven the passat yesterday at Wearnes Sg. Besi, overall good car but very dissapointed with the semi electronic leather front seats . RM185k car without fully adjustable electronic seats  doh.gif
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We were refering to the Passat CC not the 1.8TSI. The TSI is pretty ugly and looks outdated. Specs wise it looses heavily to the Peugeot 508. The only thing going for it is the DSG and engine. I dont think we're gonna see much of it on the road. International reviews dont rate the 1.8TSI highly.
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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Dec 16 2011, 07:48 PM)
We were refering to the Passat CC not the 1.8TSI. The TSI is pretty ugly and looks outdated. Specs wise it looses heavily to the Peugeot 508. The only thing going for it is the DSG and engine. I dont think we're gonna see much of it on the road. International reviews dont rate the 1.8TSI highly.
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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Dec 16 2011, 07:48 PM)
We were refering to the Passat CC not the 1.8TSI. The TSI is pretty ugly and looks outdated. Specs wise it looses heavily to the Peugeot 508. The only thing going for it is the DSG and engine. I dont think we're gonna see much of it on the road. International reviews dont rate the 1.8TSI highly.
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Not ugly and outdated, serious and timeless. smile.gif It's meant to move business men around, not to be hanging on a poster in a kids bedroom (I'd be really worried if my kid did that, had I one).

But yes, it's not a beauty queen, and that's not the purpose of it. The CC is more of an CLS opponent, albeit a lower class one. It trades in practicality for looks.
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QUOTE(rcracer @ Dec 14 2011, 09:11 PM)
Passat CC is very very sexy car
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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Dec 14 2011, 09:28 PM)
Passat CC is more expensive. Approx RM 265K (OTR with insurance).
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Getting ont of the highest range of VW is way better than getting one of the lowest range of Audi.. Anyway Passat CC design is really nice... thumbup.gif Especially the sporty doors. Memang for executive... icon_rolleyes.gif
15k More you get a much better looking car.. I didn't go to see the audi A4 though.. So i dunno it's interior..

QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Dec 16 2011, 07:48 PM)
We were refering to the Passat CC not the 1.8TSI. The TSI is pretty ugly and looks outdated. Specs wise it looses heavily to the Peugeot 508. The only thing going for it is the DSG and engine. I dont think we're gonna see much of it on the road. International reviews dont rate the 1.8TSI highly.
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I see 4 White Passat CC on my short journey to VW Showroom In Glenmarie..
Hadnt seen any Passat On The Road Yet..
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Lets not forget the VW Phaeton... pretty thing, though only if you already like the Passat. lol. W12 engine.

Somehow I feel like the latest Passat is a step backwards, the last gen and the one before that were better looking. Actually the CC is a lowered last-gen Passat, isn't it?

Interior... http://de.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...=20101108185641 this is quite good looking, isn't it? Though http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_OIHTbzY7a8I/TOfh...terior_view.jpg isn't bad either.

I guess the Passat is the German Camry equivalent.

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Getting ont of the highest range of VW is way better than getting one of the lowest range of Audi.. Anyway Passat CC design is really nice... thumbup.gif Especially the sporty doors. Memang for executive...  icon_rolleyes.gif
15k More you get a much better looking car.. I didn't go to see the audi A4 though.. So i dunno it's interior..
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I see 4 White Passat CC on my short journey to VW Showroom In Glenmarie..
Hadnt seen any Passat On The Road Yet..
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looks like passat is wining the pole ya, 508 on the loosing end, btw comes may or june 2012, u can add a camry into it, this time sure camry wins hand down,

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looks like passat is wining the pole ya, 508  on the loosing end, btw comes may or june 2012, u can add a camry into it, this time sure camry wins hand down,
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Camry wins hands down with what? six airbags, 6 speeds, bi xenon, sunroof, good audio, standard navigation, auto light, auto wiper etc etc??????? .....and competitive pricing?????

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well, who knows, what our beloved UMW gonna offer us? mana tahu, every discussion here, majority of them go get a camry after all the hu hah here, camry best bet, safest car to buy, with no worries, but of course it is nothin compare to the other 3 models, anyway camry 2012 shall not be discussed here as it is does not exist in our market yet. At least a few things will change. Engine, and Gear box. thats all, the other goodies, probably UMW will strip them down and sell you more expensive than 508. Still you will see the large number on the roads. That's a fact. No matter how and what u do and say. a couple of things is definately on the camry as u mention. Bi xenon, good audio, STD navigation, cause it is already available, Sun roof i doubt UMW will have them fitted, Auto light and wiper i think this one they probably may give u. as for the 6 airbags, maybe they may give u 4 and make fuss out of it. haha, toyota, what u expect. expensive boring vehicle.
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Camry wins hands down with what? six airbags, 6 speeds, bi xenon, sunroof, good audio, standard navigation, auto light, auto wiper etc etc??????? .....and competitive pricing?????
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well, who knows, what our beloved UMW gonna offer us? mana tahu, every discussion here,  majority of them go get a camry after all the hu hah here, camry best bet, safest car to buy, with no worries, but of course it is nothin compare to the other 3 models, anyway camry 2012 shall not be discussed here as it is does not exist in our market yet.  At least a few things will change. Engine, and Gear box. thats all, the other goodies, probably UMW will strip them down and sell you more expensive than 508. Still you will see the large number on the roads. That's a fact. No matter how and what u do and say. a couple of things is definately on the camry as u mention. Bi xenon, good audio, STD navigation, cause it is already available, Sun roof i doubt UMW will have them fitted, Auto light and wiper i think this one they probably may give u. as for the 6 airbags, maybe they may give u 4 and make fuss out of it. haha, toyota, what u expect. expensive boring vehicle.
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Any more updates from the current owners? Any issues? So far ive seen 3 508's on the road. Quite good for a newly launched continental car.
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how about the new Kia Optima K5? smile.gif RM145k

im driving the 508, so far im still loving it. FC is not impressive but overall it's a good car, lots of family n friends sat in the car going 150km+ and most of them said it's more quiet and stable compared to other D Segments like Camry / Accord.

some small lil problems like mine was having wiring probs on the gear box, was fixed in a day at the SC. and now some squeaking sounds on the absorber/suspension when going through a bump. suspension like what you mentioned, a lil rough but it gives you really nice and solid cornerings. power wise n gear box transmissions, it's not impressive like the Mondeo, but it's good enough.

other than that, it's all good! oh ya, pearl white is a biatch, haha got to clean her so often.

Hitting 2500 mileage now, sending in for first service next week.
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QUOTE(spcx @ Dec 27 2011, 01:23 PM)
how about the new Kia Optima K5? smile.gif RM145k

im driving the 508, so far im still loving it. FC is not impressive but overall it's a good car, lots of family n friends sat in the car going 150km+ and most of them said it's more quiet and stable compared to other D Segments like Camry / Accord.

some small lil problems like mine was having wiring probs on the gear box, was fixed in a day at the SC. and now some squeaking sounds on the absorber/suspension when going through a bump. suspension like what you mentioned, a lil rough but it gives you really nice and solid cornerings. power wise n gear box transmissions, it's not impressive like the Mondeo, but it's good enough.

other than that, it's all good! oh ya, pearl white is a biatch, haha got to clean her so often.

Hitting 2500 mileage now, sending in for first service next week.
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I test drove the 508 again last weekend. This time had 3 adults in the back seat. According to them it was quite bumpy and uncomfortable especially over bumps and uneven roads. That is a concern for me cz it didnt feel like a premium car. Power, pickup and specs are great but the suspension is starting to become another issue. The more i drive the 508 the more convinced im that its not the car for me. With 3 adults at the back, the rear end becomes really low and unimpressive as well.
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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Dec 27 2011, 01:43 PM)
I test drove the 508 again last weekend. This time had 3 adults in the back seat. According to them it was quite bumpy and uncomfortable especially over bumps and uneven roads. That is a concern for me cz it didnt feel like a premium car. Power, pickup and specs are great but the suspension is starting to become another issue. The more i drive the 508 the more convinced im that its not the car for me. With 3 adults at the back, the rear end becomes really low and unimpressive as well.
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Yeap I do agree over bumps and uneven roads is not comfortable, that's probably due to the settings of their suspension. It's supposed to be a more sporty ride. Can't really have a perfect car with that price range, if it's comfortable on bumpy roads then you might lack the grip and handling during higher speeds on curve roads etc. unless you opt for recond premium cars wink.gif

I heard Teana / Camry is really comfortable, but the looks put me off. Common and dated looking car, specs wise Camry is not on par with the 508. I'm just 28, so maybe it's not my cup of tea.

it really depends to one's preference! smile.gif Pros and cons no matter which you pick, and pick what suits you the best.
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QUOTE(spcx @ Dec 27 2011, 01:50 PM)
Yeap I do agree over bumps and uneven roads is not comfortable, that's probably due to the settings of their suspension. It's supposed to be a more sporty ride. Can't really have a perfect car with that price range, if it's comfortable on bumpy roads then you might lack the grip and handling during higher speeds on curve roads etc. unless you opt for recond premium cars wink.gif

I heard Teana / Camry is really comfortable, but the looks put me off. Common and dated looking car, specs wise Camry is not on par with the 508. I'm just 28, so maybe it's not my cup of tea.

it really depends to one's preference! smile.gif Pros and cons no matter which you pick, and pick what suits you the best.
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The Teana has always been an Uncle's car. Poor design. The Camry is not too bad and has that premium look which the 508 lacks. But the upcoming Camry will be better with better specs. Im quite sure ill end up with that. Gonna see the Optima now.
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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Dec 27 2011, 01:55 PM)
The Teana has always been an Uncle's car. Poor design. The Camry is not too bad and has that premium look which the 508 lacks. But the upcoming Camry will be better with better specs. Im quite sure ill end up with that. Gonna see the Optima now.
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If you want a superb suspension please have a look at the Citroen C5, you can't beat that unless you go for cars like the S class with airmatic option etc.

Regular contis are all pretty stiff, though it improves when you drive fast (then it will be reasonably comfortable). And of course when the car has an adaptive suspension with different settings it should also be ok. But alas I don't think you get that option on reasonably priced cars in Malaysia (I believe elsewhere cars like the focus or golf can be ordered with that...?

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QUOTE(spcx @ Dec 27 2011, 02:16 PM)
which showroom got the Optima ? biggrin.gif Interested to kepo as well
Just returned after seeing the Kia Optima at Naza TTDI. They have a Pearl white unit there.

I must say that the design is really impressive. Very sporty and has that luxurious look. The rear legroom is very generous and 3 adults can easily sit comfortably at the back. But the dashboard seems a generation behind unlike the futuristic ones found on the Sonata and Elantra.

Most disappointing is the pricing which is too high for a 2.0L Korean make despite its gadgets. Most of the ppl at the showroom also said the same. Plus the car doesnt have any Navigation which should have been pretty standard for cars of this category.

No test drive unit available till about April/May 2012. But i think this car would be hard pressed to keep up with other similar makes. Its 165Hp and 198Nm loses out to the Peugeot 508's 156Hp and 240Nm torque. 0-100kmph acceleration for the Optima is 10.9 secs compared to 9.2 secs on the 508.

Plus im not sure of Kia has got the suspension setup to deal with the 18 inch rims. Ride comfort would surely suffer. The Peugeot 508 is finding that a real bother now.

Sadly, i think Naza screwed up this one with the pricing. After doing a great job with the Forte, they got too greedy and thought they could nail Malaysians with the 144K price tag. Soon they'll know that Malaysians aint dumb and gadgets/good looks alone wont get them the sale numbers. Really baffles me how they could price the Optima so close to the Sonata when everybody knows that the Sonata isnt doing as well as anticipated.

Many ppl would prefer to wait for the new Camry for that price range. Im sure Toyota will improve the specs on the upcoming Camry.

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But won't Toyota do just enough to not look totally dated, so that together with Toyotas reputation and popularity it will sell the car?

Again AFAIK the Malaysian government has the option to say a company tries to sell a car for less than what it is worth, and then they can jack up the price however they like it. So is it really Nazas fault?

The C5 is nearly 190k... it shouldn't be. But obviously someone thinks it is more premium than the competition. But really it is a 508 (same engine etc.), but tuned for comfort rather than sportiness (with arguably the most comfortable suspension system... in the world (ignoring the system developed by BOSE that has never found it's way into regular cars. So look at it.
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Basically we can't expect state of the art technology frm toyota.. They tend to play safe and give u some old tech (but reliable), even their altis dual voting thing they have it back in the 1999 with their is250 Altezza but only bring it over to the newer gen year 09 batch Altis 2.0

Not only tat a lots of the thing tat toyota dump into the ASEAN market r old stuff where their Japanese Toyota have been using for some time.
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QUOTE(0300078 @ Dec 27 2011, 09:21 PM)
Basically we can't expect state of the art technology frm toyota.. They tend to play safe and give u some old tech (but reliable), even their altis dual voting thing they have it back in the 1999 with their is250 Altezza but only bring it over to the newer gen year 09 batch Altis 2.0

Not only tat a lots of the thing tat toyota dump into the ASEAN market r old stuff where their Japanese Toyota have been using for some time.
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they dont hate malaysians, they took this opportunity to rob your hard earn money, anyway malaysian car buyers are easy to satisfy, so they rip u off lah, unlike other country,

since then, forte came in, especially forte, it made many malaysian's think about the money spend on the car they buy, vios, vs forte. of course u have the usual hardcore who cannot accept reality that their beloved car company was sucking them all the time, giving them less specs, less enjoyment but only in return to give them a better value in the future.

so today buying a car need a lot of thnking, unlike the old days, vios or city. ai ya vios loh, today vios vs city, vs forte vs mazda 2 vs fiesta vs inspira vs god knows what ever coming out next year.

so there u go, too many selection makes many ppl realized what is the true value in their car, what they truly want, enjoyment, space, gadgets, reliability, power, or cheap nice cars, but there are no cheap and cheerful cars, hehe, jeremy clarkson's quote.

so think, and think and in the end buy proton,haha, what the heck.



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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Dec 27 2011, 04:08 PM)
Just returned after seeing the Kia Optima at Naza TTDI. They have a Pearl white unit there.

I must say that the design is really impressive. Very sporty and has that luxurious look. The rear legroom is very generous and 3 adults can easily sit comfortably at the back. But the dashboard seems a generation behind unlike the futuristic ones found on the Sonata and Elantra.

Most disappointing is the pricing which is too high for a 2.0L Korean make despite its gadgets. Most of the ppl at the showroom also said the same. Plus the car doesnt have any Navigation which should have been pretty standard for cars of this category.

No test drive unit available till about April/May 2012. But i think this car would be hard pressed to keep up with other similar makes. Its 165Hp and 198Nm loses out to the Peugeot 508's 156Hp and 240Nm torque. 0-100kmph acceleration for the Optima is 10.9 secs compared to 9.2 secs on the 508.

Plus im not sure of Kia has got the suspension setup to deal with the 18 inch rims. Ride comfort would surely suffer. The Peugeot 508 is finding that a real bother now.

Sadly, i think Naza screwed up this one with the pricing. After doing a great job with the Forte, they got too greedy and thought they could nail Malaysians with the 144K price tag. Soon they'll know that Malaysians aint dumb and gadgets/good looks alone wont get them the sale numbers. Really baffles me how they could price the Optima so close to the Sonata when everybody knows that the Sonata isnt doing as well as anticipated.

Many ppl would prefer to wait for the new Camry for that price range. Im sure Toyota will improve the specs on the upcoming Camry.
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The new Camry 2012 isnt impressive at all according to one Taiwanese review.
Or maybe really its the Japs that aren't impressive at all these days.

I reckon the Mondeo should have less "known" issues compared to the 508.
Being so popular with the Brits, even has been nicked "Mondeo Man" to represent the "Toyota Man" of the asians.

What is really worrying for the Mondeo is their parts pricing and also SC, which could be just a tad worse than Peugeot? But if the problems are really also relatively lesser than 508, I could bear with it.

Somehow looks of the 508 just doesn't click with me. The 308 looks more coherent, but the 508... Also, Peugeots designs doesn't really "last" to my eyes.

I havn't test driven the 508 yet, but the Mondeo has REALLY impressed me. I feel that it is actually a softly sprung car, but with firm dampers. The steering is very crisp and responds very keenly with a small nudge of the steering. Perhaps I'm leaning more towards the driving edge. I also find it very hard for any other car to beat the Mondeo on comfort overall (ie potholes and spirited driving). The composure feels better than the Golf TSi I tested, though just a bit less nimble.

For those who have noticed, the Mondeo also has "all round" quality dash, the soft touch extends to below the transmission tunnel, something many manufacturers omit (cost cutting?). Stereo is the weakest part of dash, but there are good aftermarket replacements. Sound staging and mid-bass was also surprisingly good with the 8 speakers!

Yeah, the design of the rear end of Mondeo is mediocre, but I can live with it. Somehow the 508 design looks old to me... flamboyant but old.


For those pondering with Citroens, please please please just read up on forums first. If and ONLY IF you can bear with the issues and running costs, don't go the Citroen route. I absolutely swears by the absolutely stunning interior of new C4, it is relatively cheap at RM125K OTR CBU, but the notorious history of maintenance entirely changed my mindset. Gearbox issues are so common, my neighbour even had to change the whole gearbox on his previous gen C4.

My 2 cents.
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yea, jap saks to the max.

go conti.

not vw/pug kind of conti, go bmw/mercs kind of conti!!



now it seems like the doomsday for jap car after audi designer jump ship to kia eh?

btw, i always thought Jap car isnt about beauty, safety or whatever? jap car is always about reliability, no?

only lexus are able to compete with conti cars.



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Only problem is BMW/Audi/Merc doesnt want to tarnish their image, and only produce high spec cars.

If they come out with a basic 1.6 with normal spec car below 100K, imagine...
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in terms of reliability of those 3 vehicles, i guess for layman is arrange as below. YMMV


-VW
-Peugeot
-Ford.
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yea, jap saks to the max.

go conti.

not vw/pug kind of conti, go bmw/mercs kind of conti!!
now it seems like the doomsday for jap car after audi designer jump ship to kia eh?

btw, i always thought Jap car isnt about beauty, safety or whatever? jap car is always about reliability, no?

only lexus are able to compete with conti cars.
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Jap cars were practical, reliable and fuel efficient. Note that i say 'were'

Now contis are more practical, with most cars able to play dual role as sedate family car then track car on weekends. Reliable they are now coming with 3-5 years warranties.

Fuel efficient is no brainer with superb downsized turboed, twin turboed,supercharged, direct injected, and diesel engines. Not only they downsized but bumped up the power too.

Japs can't compete anymore, their VVTi is so far behind it looks like a carburetor 2 stroke engine compared to the conti/korean ones. The interiors hasn't gone anywhere with hard plastics all around.

And lastly there is no design language anymore, just seems to be facelifts and lift and lift and lift, no new platforms, nothing
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in terms of reliability of those 3 vehicles, i guess for layman is arrange as below. YMMV
-VW
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Hi, mind to share based on what you rate them such?

Reliability... I thought Ford has been such a reliable car in Europe.
Also Mondeo been in the market since like what... 07 or 08?

Perhaps after sales support wise, I agree with your ratings.
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QUOTE(sonyman @ Dec 28 2011, 09:32 AM)
they dont hate malaysians, they took this opportunity to rob your hard earn money, anyway malaysian car buyers are easy to satisfy, so they rip u off lah, unlike other country,

since then, forte came in, especially forte, it made many malaysian's think about the money spend on the car they buy, vios, vs forte. of course u have the usual hardcore who cannot accept reality that their beloved car company was sucking them all the time, giving them less specs, less enjoyment but only in return to give them a better value in the future.

so today buying a car need a lot of thnking, unlike the old days, vios or city. ai ya vios loh, today vios vs city, vs forte vs mazda 2 vs fiesta vs inspira vs god knows what ever coming out next year.

so there u go, too many selection makes many ppl realized what is the true value in their car, what they truly want, enjoyment, space, gadgets, reliability, power, or cheap nice cars, but there are no cheap and cheerful cars, hehe, jeremy clarkson's quote.

so think, and think and in the end buy proton,haha, what the heck.

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sounds like u have made up your mind, hope u are right, toyota will improve, otherwise they are really screwed.
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There is cheap and cheerful. First episode first season of the top gear relaunch, Clarkson reviewed the Berlingo, and I think the Kangoo falls into the same category, even if we have to pay too much for it.

Toyota has good cars and modern tech, but they need competition so they feel the pressure to offer it. Competition is good, also for Toyota fans. Even though I am not a big fan of the Aygo I think Toyota should bring it to Malaysia.

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Hi, mind to share based on what you rate them such?

Reliability... I thought Ford has been such a reliable car in Europe.
Also Mondeo been in the market since like what... 07 or 08?

Perhaps after sales support wise, I agree with your ratings.
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ford is really successful in europe.

dealer and after sales is the main contributor.

ford ? well, you can do more research in the fomec forum.
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The new Camry 2012 isnt impressive at all according to one Taiwanese review.
Or maybe really its the Japs that aren't impressive at all these days.

I reckon the Mondeo should have less "known" issues compared to the 508.
Being so popular with the Brits, even has been nicked "Mondeo Man" to represent the "Toyota Man" of the asians.

What is really worrying for the Mondeo is their parts pricing and also SC, which could be just a tad worse than Peugeot? But if the problems are really also relatively lesser than 508, I could bear with it.

Somehow looks of the 508 just doesn't click with me. The 308 looks more coherent, but the 508... Also, Peugeots designs doesn't really "last"  to my eyes.

I havn't test driven the 508 yet, but the Mondeo has REALLY impressed me. I feel that it is actually a softly sprung car, but with firm dampers. The steering is very crisp and responds very keenly with a small nudge of the steering. Perhaps I'm leaning more towards the driving edge. I also find it very hard for any other car to beat the Mondeo on comfort overall (ie potholes and spirited driving). The composure feels better than the Golf TSi I tested, though just a bit less nimble.

For those who have noticed, the Mondeo also has "all round" quality dash, the soft touch extends to below the transmission tunnel, something many manufacturers omit (cost cutting?). Stereo is the weakest part of dash, but there are good aftermarket replacements. Sound staging and mid-bass was also surprisingly good with the 8 speakers!

Yeah, the design of the rear end of Mondeo is mediocre, but I can live with it. Somehow the 508 design looks old to me... flamboyant but old.
For those pondering with Citroens, please please please just read up on forums first. If and ONLY IF you can bear with the issues and running costs, don't go the Citroen route. I absolutely swears by the absolutely stunning interior of new C4, it is relatively cheap at RM125K OTR CBU, but the notorious history of maintenance entirely changed my mindset. Gearbox issues are so common, my neighbour even had to change the whole gearbox on his previous gen C4.

My 2 cents.
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I agree. I drove the Mondeo based Galaxy, the ride was somewhat firm but ultimately very comfortable, especially at higher speeds. Without feeling floaty and dangerous, 180+ km/h felt absolutely safe und unexciting. With a huge van. Inside it felt nice. Premiumish. really a nice car to drive, and with a base price of about 83k RM... (in Germany...)

My Xsara is relatively reliable. But it is not in Malaysia, so getting parts isn't a big issue.


Added on December 28, 2011, 2:57 pm@turbocharged: The Japanese do have competitive cars. Nissan Qashqai for example. Nissan Micra. All cars they sell in Europe are safe, usually getting 5 stars now. They may not be as refined or advanced, but they make up for that with reliability. Reasonable, even if a bit expensive cars.

QUOTE(teewan @ Dec 28 2011, 02:29 PM)
Only problem is BMW/Audi/Merc doesnt want to tarnish their image, and only produce high spec cars.

If they come out with a basic 1.6 with normal spec car below 100K, imagine...
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There is/was. To name a few: smart fortwo and forfour. BMW Mini. Audi A2, now A1. Mercedes A Class. They all demand a premium though. If you want an Audi, really just buy a Skoda, Seat or VW. It is the same car, just cheaper made/less premium. I remember that when they introduced a new A4 they simply moved their entire plant to Spain and produced the A4 with minimally modified styling there, selling it under the Seat brand for a much lower price.

Now I am very well aware that these cars are not sold here. But perhaps the importers can be convinced... I'd be particularly be interested in the Skoda range. Cheap, elegant, good. What we would need here.

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Just went to check out the interior of 508 in detail this time.
Design wise is great, centre tunnel is very upmarket.

However, the dashboard and door panel color looks a bit cheapish, grey.
It would've looked classy in deep black.
Also have to live with a lack of cubby holes, or should I say lack of useable ones tongue.gif
Front cupholders also.....

All in all, it wasnt a really memorable experience for me.
The Passat has more substance.
The Mondeo has more quality material bar the centre console.
The 508 has more features and style, both in front and elsewhere throughout the car, but the color theme and some plastics are so so.

And I thought all Peugeots should come with their signature panoramic moonroof? Could be for the better, can save some cost. I absolutely love the integrated window shades.
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Ill probably decide when i can get info bout the specs of the upcoming Malaysian Camry. Not sure how late that will be. But either way, even if i do go for the Optima, i surely wont settle for a 2011 unit. The loss in depreciation is too great to be ignored. Same goes for the 508. Ill wait for a 2012 model (which should come by March 2012). Hopefully by that time, we'll have more details bout the new Camry or any other models that might be launched that time.

Btw, im targetting a WWR number plate which should arrive by May/June 2012.

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Ill probably decide when i can get info bout the specs of the upcoming Malaysian Camry. Not sure how late that will be. But either way, even if i do go for the Optima, i surely wont settle for a 2011 unit. The loss in depreciation is too great to be ignored. Same goes for the 508. Ill wait for a 2012 model (which should come by March 2012). Hopefully by that time, we'll have more details bout the new Camry or any other models that might be launched that time.

Btw, im targetting a WWR number plate which should arrive by May/June 2012.
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From what I saw online, the latest Camry will come in 2.5litre version brows.gif
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From what I saw online, the latest Camry will come in 2.5litre version  brows.gif
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Great, so it will have the same performance as a 1.4 by VW laugh.gif
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like supercharger and turbocharger tongue.gif and both total up, should balance back the petrol bill and roadtax:D
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Great, so it will have the same performance as a 1.4 by VW laugh.gif
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QUOTE(Bliz @ Dec 29 2011, 01:55 PM)
From what I saw online, the latest Camry will come in 2.5litre version  brows.gif
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2.5 litre is a new engine but roadtax you pay nicely lah
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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Dec 29 2011, 01:28 PM)
Ill probably decide when i can get info bout the specs of the upcoming Malaysian Camry. Not sure how late that will be. But either way, even if i do go for the Optima, i surely wont settle for a 2011 unit. The loss in depreciation is too great to be ignored. Same goes for the 508. Ill wait for a 2012 model (which should come by March 2012). Hopefully by that time, we'll have more details bout the new Camry or any other models that might be launched that time.

Btw, im targetting a WWR number plate which should arrive by May/June 2012.
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looks like u have made up ur mind, no need me to tell u, hehe, still cannot let the T brand go away, hehe, anyhow i predict camry will come with keyless entry, dual vvti, dual zone aircond, auto light, gps optional, 4 airbags, and 5 speed gb and 6 speed for 2.5,
they my have a camry hybrid introduced,
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QUOTE(turbocharged @ Dec 29 2011, 02:06 PM)
and it will have 2 less parts to worry about biggrin.gif

like supercharger and turbocharger tongue.gif and both total up, should balance back the petrol bill and roadtax:D
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lol, true. But only if it fails. I wouldn't go for the 170 hp 1.4, that's a bit risky, but the 140 hp one seems well proven. And there are bigger cc engines with the same tech, so performance will be even better. Also can't beat how a turbocharged engine feels when driving it, unless you enjoy revving hard and high.

4 airbags would be extremely disappointing, that's what I expect from an a segment car. In the class of a Camry there must be at least 6 (the competition has them) or 7 airbags and esc.

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If you do want to get the passat .. you got to get it within the first 2 batches ... once it goes ckd ... not sure what will happen to the quality
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http://www.italiaauto.net/viewtopic.php?f=...26972&start=100
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QUOTE(kadajawi @ Dec 29 2011, 04:34 PM)
lol, true. But only if it fails. I wouldn't go for the 170 hp 1.4, that's a bit risky, but the 140 hp one seems well proven. And there are bigger cc engines with the same tech, so performance will be even better. Also can't beat how a turbocharged engine feels when driving it, unless you enjoy revving hard and high.

4 airbags would be extremely disappointing, that's what I expect from an a segment car. In the class of a Camry there must be at least 6 (the competition has them) or 7 airbags and esc.
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welcome to msia, which top spec camry 2.4 only has 2 airbags biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(turbocharged @ Dec 29 2011, 05:17 PM)
welcome to msia, which top spec camry 2.4 only has 2 airbags biggrin.gif
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Just wanted to know where... smile.gif he he
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welcome to msia, which top spec camry 2.4 only has 2 airbags biggrin.gif
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Haha, yes I know. Worse yet people buy it. That's why Toyota only installs 2 airbags. The competition needs to do more to sell the cars, so they offer the full set of safety features for a similar price.

As long as consumers don't demand more safety features and also back it up with their money nothing will change. In Europe a car with less than 5 euroncap stars better be cheap... Very cheap. Malaysia will also get there I am sure, it just may take a little longer.


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Sorry the normal car had 6 airbag if got 7 airbag the other one is protect where?

Just wanted to know where... smile.gif he he
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usually 2 in front. Then 2 more at the side, protecting the front row of side impacts. 2 more (curtain) that protect the heads of all passengers in case of a side impact. 7th airbag protects the knees of the driver. Then there are 2 more that protect the side of rear passengers, and I wouldn't be surprised if there are head airbags now to protect rear passengers as well. Soon cars will look like in demolition man biggrin.gif

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Malaysia UMW most likely will steal the airbag..... Overseas Camry 2012 got 10 airbag somemore
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It seems we have gone overboard in discussing toyota camry rather than focusing on the 3 models. Hope all of us can narrow our scope to these 3 models.
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Passat for me any day.

U cant i wrong in a VW. You pay for the style. thumbup.gif
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Tried my uncle's Passat the other day. Awesome features. Pick up is bloody fast! Though i prefer the leather smell of BMW/Mercedes though.
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Tried my uncle's Passat the other day. Awesome features. Pick up is bloody fast! Though i prefer the leather smell of BMW/Mercedes though.
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Passat for me any day.

U cant i wrong in a VW. You pay for the style. thumbup.gif
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>Passat
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Pick one.



The Passat looks like a glorified proton saga, man.

The Passat CC, on the other hand... that one has style.

[EDIT] The 508 looked really sporty, so I went to check out the specs... and I was blown away. 0-100kmh in 9.2secs? 14.1km/l? turbocharged? 18" rims? JBL 10-speakers? rclxub.gif rclxub.gif rclxub.gif

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But I think c-class rear seat is quite small.
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>Passat
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Pick one.
The Passat looks like a glorified proton saga, man.

The Passat CC, on the other hand... that one has style.

[EDIT] The 508 looked really sporty, so I went to check out the specs... and I was blown away. 0-100kmh in 9.2secs? 14.1km/l? turbocharged? 18" rims? JBL 10-speakers? rclxub.gif  rclxub.gif  rclxub.gif
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QUOTE(incubus_skj @ Dec 30 2011, 06:22 PM)
>Passat
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Pick one.
The Passat looks like a glorified proton saga, man.

The Passat CC, on the other hand... that one has style.

[EDIT] The 508 looked really sporty, so I went to check out the specs... and I was blown away. 0-100kmh in 9.2secs? 14.1km/l? turbocharged? 18" rims? JBL 10-speakers? rclxub.gif  rclxub.gif  rclxub.gif
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QUOTE(0300078 @ Dec 30 2011, 06:24 PM)
But I think c-class rear seat is quite small.
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QUOTE(kadajawi @ Dec 30 2011, 09:02 PM)
lol, no. The Passat is elegant, has timeless and serious design, not flashy. The older ones also still look good. I must admit the previous gen Passat is prettier though.
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Dont trust the FC that it claims...
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QUOTE(sonyman @ Dec 29 2011, 04:27 PM)
looks like u have made up ur mind, no need me to tell u, hehe, still cannot let the T brand go away, hehe, anyhow i predict camry will come with keyless entry, dual vvti, dual zone aircond, auto light, gps optional, 4 airbags, and 5 speed gb and 6 speed for 2.5,
they my have a camry hybrid introduced,
No i think Toyota has done away with the 5 speed GB for the Camry. If they still have it, im surely not buying a Camry. notworthy.gif

But im currently inclined towards the Kia Optima while moving further away from the 508. Saw another unit on the road and the rear does look cacat.
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2.5 litre is a new engine but roadtax you pay nicely lah
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lol incubus_skj, 1:0. I don't mind the design of the Saga though smile.gif Also the proportions of the Passat are nicer.
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QUOTE(kadajawi @ Dec 30 2011, 11:50 PM)
lol incubus_skj, 1:0. I don't mind the design of the Saga though smile.gif Also the proportions of the Passat are nicer.
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I'd take the station wagon, that one looks good.
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This is the best looking Passat though:
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No i think Toyota has done away with the 5 speed GB for the Camry. If they still have it, im surely not buying a Camry.  notworthy.gif

But im currently inclined towards the Kia Optima while moving further away from the 508. Saw another unit on the road and the rear does look cacat.
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why suddenly move towards kia optima? optima specs and finish are no where near 508, also optima FC is not as good as a 1.6L THP engine, and the THP is a direct injection engine, the Theta 2 is only a dual cVVT system, something like the dual VVti. in terms of looks peugeot is more elegant, while optima is more rugged. more manly, but i still feel the peugeot has the upper class feeling when you are inside the car compare to optima, the dash on the 508 is much much well organized and optima is more like so so, well this is once's preference. spec wse 508 wins hand down.

anyway i am sure the 2.0l camry will come with 5 speed gb and the 2.5L will come with 6 speed, by then u can make ur choice.
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QUOTE(kadajawi @ Dec 30 2011, 11:50 PM)
lol incubus_skj, 1:0. I don't mind the design of the Saga though smile.gif Also the proportions of the Passat are nicer.
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I'd take the station wagon, that one looks good.
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This is the best looking Passat though:
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Oh well, still looks like a glorified Proton Saga to me. At least you're paying for the conti feel lah.


>station wagon

hmm.gif Why???? hmm.gif Barring soccer moms, middle aged men and retirees, I can't see the rationale behind getting something like this.
Also, I don't think it's even sold in Malaysia. Off topic dah.
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Got to agree the wagon one look too old school... I would choose Volvo station wagon over vw one.
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Wagons look nice la. Main rationale behind this. Practical too. I think many contis are nowadays designed to be a wagon, and then as an afterthought they create the sedan version. Just like the Fiesta is first meant to be a hatchback, and then for some markets they add the boot, which looks a bit odd.

I prefer BMW station wagons too (535d Touring <3 ), or Audi. The lines flow nicely... (that being said I love the Jaguar E-Type wagon in Harald & Maude, so perhaps I'm odd). I guess the Passat has a doesn't hurt design. It offends no one, but it's also not exactly exciting. Like a Camry. But that also means it will still look nice in years to come, while other designs might get out of fashion.

Btw., this is what the next gen is supposed to look like (guess those are not official photos/renderings): http://www.autobild.de/bilder/bilder-vorsc...4--1767177.html Next gen Golf is in there too, looks like a glorified Polo sad.gif
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Anyone here can advise which model should i go for if my emphasis is

1. Adequate Power
2. Good handling
3. Confortable to drive
4. Good built quality

I got to travel at least 80km per day from home to office so the above 4 attributes are my main consideration.

Your valuable suggestion is highly appreciated.
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Eh I think all the car mention up there can be consider.
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Any conti is powerful enough. They _usually_ put more emphasis on handling than on ride comfort, while the Japanese are the other way round. Citroen C5 is the exception, and I think a decent combination of ride comfort (perhaps the best) and still decent handling.

That being said if you change the rims on the contis they shouldn't be unreasonable hard. Just the stock rims are only focused on looks... which is bad when you test drive because you only get to experience the unreasonable stiff ride.

What about the Mondeo? I know it is rare, but IIRC the ride is also a good compromise between comfort and handling (at least the Mondeo based MPV is). VW I always thought are on the stiff side of things, and Peugeot tries to differentiate from Citroen by being sporty and stiff (as the cars are very similar under the bonnet, except for the suspension).
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Any conti is powerful enough. They _usually_ put more emphasis on handling than on ride comfort, while the Japanese are the other way round. Citroen C5 is the exception, and I think a decent combination of ride comfort (perhaps the best) and still decent handling.

That being said if you change the rims on the contis they shouldn't be unreasonable hard. Just the stock rims are only focused on looks... which is bad when you test drive because you only get to experience the unreasonable stiff ride.

What about the Mondeo? I know it is rare, but IIRC the ride is also a good compromise between comfort and handling (at least the Mondeo based MPV is). VW I always thought are on the stiff side of things, and Peugeot tries to differentiate from Citroen by being sporty and stiff (as the cars are very similar under the bonnet, except for the suspension).
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That's what I heard. I don't think I sat in the new one yet... I did drive the Galaxy, and to me the balance was really good for long distance driving, but well, that one had proper wheels and I wonder how a 7 seater MPV compares with a sedan, even when the platform is the same it might be tuned differently, and the MPV is heavier, taller, ...
I believe someone in this thread drove the Mondeo though and commented on ride and handling.

Thing is... no one buys them here (look at the sales figures). If you live near Singapore you'll always be able to get spare parts from there (if Singaporeans buy them), otherwise... it might get painful. At least with the rise of the Fiesta there'll be more SC... hopefully.

What about the Skoda Octavia RS? http://new.skoda-auto.com/mys/model/newoct.../pricelist.aspx Well equipped, safe, powerful. It's the sports version, so comfort might be a bit compromised.
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why suddenly move towards kia optima? optima specs and finish are no where near 508, also optima FC is not as good as a 1.6L THP engine, and the THP is a direct injection engine, the Theta 2 is only a dual cVVT system, something like the dual VVti. in terms of looks peugeot is more elegant, while optima is more rugged. more manly, but i still feel the peugeot has the upper class feeling when you are inside the car compare to optima, the dash on the 508 is much much well organized and optima is more like so so, well this is once's preference. spec wse 508 wins hand down.

anyway i am sure the 2.0l camry will come with 5 speed gb and the 2.5L will come with 6 speed, by then u can make ur choice.
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Taiwan already have specs of the Camry 2012.
If not mistaken, I don't see anywhere stating 10 airbags.
Not even 7 airbags if not mistaken.

2.5 DVVTI is so... yesteryear...


Added on December 31, 2011, 6:18 pmI tested the Mondeo twice recently.
First test was with wife and daughter, did not turn on sports mode tongue.gif

At reasonably fast pace, the car was utterly stable, while being so... waftable as some put it. Potholes and humps were taken with superb poise.
Also, the steering had lots of feel and feedback, with rather immediate direction input. Not to mention a quick steering too.

On my second testing, I was trying to "play play".
Sports mode on, throttle response was much sharper and faster turbo spool up, I'd say turbo kick was earlier than Golf TSi which I also tested recently.
It also rev higher up the rpm meter, and all these while, feeling very composed inside.

The manual shifting was a bit odd, push forward (up) for downshift, push backwards (down) for upshift.
At 7.9 seconds dash, probably faster to let the electronics to handle the shifting? At least till I get familiarized first...

But the most impressive feat was how it handled our bad roads.
I tested it at the federal highway showroom, and the industrial roads were bad.
The comfort of the car is much better than my Estima 3.5

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Yup, that's how I'd describe the Galaxy too, with some added body roll (bigger than the current Estima, what do you expect). smile.gif
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Anyone here can advise which model should i go for if my emphasis is

1. Adequate Power
2. Good handling
3. Confortable to drive
4. Good built quality

I got to travel at least 80km per day from home to office so the above 4 attributes are my main consideration.

Your valuable suggestion is highly appreciated.
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1. Mondeo power corrupts absolutely
2. Mondeo or Passat, with Mondeo having a more sporty handling
3. Not sure, all are competent
4. Not Mondeo, probably Passat tongue.gif

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QUOTE(teewan @ Dec 31 2011, 05:58 PM)
Taiwan already have specs of the Camry 2012.
If not mistaken, I don't see anywhere stating 10 airbags.
Not even 7 airbags if not mistaken.

2.5 DVVTI is so... yesteryear...


Added on December 31, 2011, 6:18 pmI tested the Mondeo twice recently.
First test was with wife and daughter, did not turn on sports mode tongue.gif

At reasonably fast pace, the car was utterly stable, while being so... waftable as some put it. Potholes and humps were taken with superb poise.
Also, the steering had lots of feel and feedback, with rather immediate direction input. Not to mention a quick steering too.

On my second testing, I was trying to "play play".
Sports mode on, throttle response was much sharper and faster turbo spool up, I'd say turbo kick was earlier than Golf TSi which I also tested recently.
It also rev higher up the rpm meter, and all these while, feeling very composed inside.

The manual shifting was a bit odd, push forward (up) for downshift, push backwards (down) for upshift.
At 7.9 seconds dash, probably faster to let the electronics to handle the shifting? At least till I get familiarized first...

But the most impressive feat was how it handled our bad roads.
I tested it at the federal highway showroom, and the industrial roads were bad.
The comfort of the car is much better than my Estima 3.5
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How's the ride comfort compared to passat? The passat i did test drove once, very comfortable but not wide enough ( Good legroom but if u try to sit 3 adults behind then u will know what i mean), the bodyroll of passat is quite severe as well sweat.gif but ultimately cos I am already used to my focus lah which has little bodyroll even at high speeds
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I didn't test drive the Passat before.
The price and also rear design + overall design was a put off for me.

One review I read had high praise for the Passat in terms of good handling, but mentioned it was a bit numb to drive.

http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/carreviews/gr...gen_passat.html
http://www.autocar.co.uk/CarReviews/FirstD...-160-SE/259305/
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I would like to know the pickup & FC on the Kia Optima. On paper, the HP and torque dont look impressive taking into account the heavy body. 0-100kmph in 10.9 secs is poor by today's standards.
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Argh, this thread not meant for K5 lah bro...


Added on January 2, 2012, 1:52 amFor those comparing the Passat and Mondeo, this clip has some insight

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kR6Bb5WsaME&feature=fvwrel

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QUOTE(teewan @ Dec 31 2011, 05:58 PM)
Taiwan already have specs of the Camry 2012.
If not mistaken, I don't see anywhere stating 10 airbags.
Not even 7 airbags if not mistaken.

2.5 DVVTI is so... yesteryear...


Added on December 31, 2011, 6:18 pmI tested the Mondeo twice recently.
First test was with wife and daughter, did not turn on sports mode tongue.gif

At reasonably fast pace, the car was utterly stable, while being so... waftable as some put it. Potholes and humps were taken with superb poise.
Also, the steering had lots of feel and feedback, with rather immediate direction input. Not to mention a quick steering too.

On my second testing, I was trying to "play play".
Sports mode on, throttle response was much sharper and faster turbo spool up, I'd say turbo kick was earlier than Golf TSi which I also tested recently.
It also rev higher up the rpm meter, and all these while, feeling very composed inside.

The manual shifting was a bit odd, push forward (up) for downshift, push backwards (down) for upshift.
At 7.9 seconds dash, probably faster to let the electronics to handle the shifting? At least till I get familiarized first...

But the most impressive feat was how it handled our bad roads.
I tested it at the federal highway showroom, and the industrial roads were bad.
The comfort of the car is much better than my Estima 3.5
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Ford Mondeo Ecoboost has a Sports Mode? where is the activation button?
The other day when I test drove one, I didn't realise such a feature exists on the Mondeo, nor the sales person mentioned anything about it. This is strange...
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Ford Mondeo Ecoboost has a Sports Mode? where is the activation button?
The other day when I test drove one, I didn't realise such a feature exists on the Mondeo, nor the sales person mentioned anything about it. This is strange...
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There is no button to activate, you just need to switch your gear to sport mode and feel the big different.

Suggest you test drive another round and get an experience SA to handle. You may contact Kenny or Jeanne from PJ Ford. Both of them are very nice and shared a lot of info about Mondeo. Good luck.
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The sport mode is activated via the gearbox.
The "neutral" position for activating the manual gear selection, ie in between the + and -
Once slotted there, the dash displays "S".
If you want to further play with the gears, just push up or down.
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Seeing the surprised look when you overtake (rather effortlessly) the 2.4l Japanese makes: PRICELESS!

Lesson: Stop looking just at the cc, start looking at the power to weight ratio and the torque/power curve :-)
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ya agree with you totally, looking at CC is the future, But u know lah, there is still large group of buyers who are still CC minded PPL, they will say

say in hokkien,

for mondeo "Wah lau weh,, , 2.0 nia, mana kau lat, "

worst still Peugeot 508,, "WAh lau weh, 1.6 niah, ai 169,000, chin chiah kui oh,

for Volks wagen golf, " ani sei teng ai 160 cheng,,, si beh kui."

there you go, all turbo charged, all direct injection, VS the regular 2.4 CC engines.


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VW PASSAT CC... Tangkap leleyh..
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QUOTE(cdubliew @ Jan 4 2012, 11:46 AM)
Road tax: RM 90
Cost of petrol per km (long distance): 16 sen
Seeing the surprised look when you overtake (rather effortlessly) the 2.4l Japanese makes: PRICELESS!

Lesson: Stop looking just at the cc, start looking at the power to weight ratio and the torque/power curve  :-)
Yes its all about the output from the engine and higher cc engines dont neccessarily produce more power compared to lower cc ones. The Kia Optima gives out 165Hp and only 198Nm trque compared to 156Hp & 240Nm torque on the Peugeot 508.
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QUOTE(sonyman @ Jan 4 2012, 12:49 PM)
ya agree with you totally, looking at CC is the future, But u know lah, there is still large group of buyers who are still CC minded PPL, they will say

say in hokkien,

for mondeo "Wah lau weh,, , 2.0 nia, mana kau lat, "

worst still Peugeot 508,, "WAh lau weh, 1.6 niah, ai 169,000, chin chiah kui oh,

for Volks wagen golf, " ani sei teng ai 160 cheng,,, si beh kui."

there you go, all turbo charged, all direct injection, VS the regular 2.4 CC engines.
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pls dont under estimate those senior citizen la. sleep.gif.

you tell them TURBO, they understand one.

since 15 years ago, turbo is a household name, thanks to Mitsubishi lancer evolution.

if they are that ignorant they might be shopping for saga or vios only. just a car, with a badge, thats it.
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QUOTE(sonyman @ Jan 4 2012, 12:49 PM)
ya agree with you totally, looking at CC is the future, But u know lah, there is still large group of buyers who are still CC minded PPL, they will say

say in hokkien,

for mondeo "Wah lau weh,, , 2.0 nia, mana kau lat, "

worst still Peugeot 508,, "WAh lau weh, 1.6 niah, ai 169,000, chin chiah kui oh,

for Volks wagen golf, " ani sei teng ai 160 cheng,,, si beh kui."

there you go, all turbo charged, all direct injection, VS the regular 2.4 CC engines.
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my sides thumbup.gif thumbup.gif thumbup.gif can't stop laughing at this


QUOTE(turbocharged @ Jan 4 2012, 01:20 PM)
pls dont under estimate those senior citizen la. sleep.gif.

you tell them TURBO, they understand one.

since 15 years ago, turbo is a household name, thanks to Mitsubishi lancer evolution.

if they are that ignorant they might be shopping for saga or vios only. just a car, with a badge, thats it.
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but hor, the uncles sure say "turbo wor, pau si chiak eu eh"

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Evo not really practical car, eh? Also not terribly reliable I believe, at least high service interval. Used for race cars (Renault 5 with a 1.4l 350 hp engine biggrin.gif ), but normal ones...?

Only in the past 5 years or so (diesel a bit longer) turbos have been added to cars for lower FC and better driveability. The Japanese seem to have totally slept past this trend, going for hybrids instead, and Americans have always built huge engines with no power at all cause fuel is cheap.
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QUOTE(kadajawi @ Jan 4 2012, 01:37 PM)
Evo not really practical car, eh? Also not terribly reliable I believe, at least high service interval. Used for race cars (Renault 5 with a 1.4l 350 hp engine biggrin.gif ), but normal ones...?

Only in the past 5 years or so (diesel a bit longer) turbos have been added to cars for lower FC and better driveability. The Japanese seem to have totally slept past this trend, going for hybrids instead, and Americans have always built huge engines with no power at all cause fuel is cheap.
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yea, jap has some policy against diesel, so they dont develop diesel car.

well, evo, well well....its a young man's dream, closer compare to BMW M3 and M5. smile.gif


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my sides  thumbup.gif  thumbup.gif  thumbup.gif  can't stop laughing at this
but hor, the uncles sure say "turbo wor, pau si chiak eu eh"
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aiyo, fast car sure high FC. so cheap, go buy 1.5L car enough!

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QUOTE(turbocharged @ Jan 4 2012, 01:40 PM)
yea, jap has some policy against diesel, so they dont develop diesel car.

well, evo, well well....its a young man's dream, closer compare to BMW M3 and M5. smile.gif


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aiyo, fast car sure high FC. so cheap, go buy 1.5L car enough!
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I see, no wonder, eh?

Not really. next BMW 3 series, F30. 328i, 6.4l/100km, top speed of 250 km/h and 5.9s to 100 km/h. 245 PS (do I understand it correctly that the 8 speed auto gearbox will have lower FC than the manual? Especially with the 335i... hmm.gif

320d ED, 4.1l/100 km with 230 top speed and 8s to 100. 163 PS.
320d, 4.5l/100 km with 235 top speed and 7.5s, 184 PS.

535d, 313 PS, 630 Nm drool.gif Top speed limited to 250, 5.5s to 100 (in an huge executive sedan) and 5.4l/100 km.

Of course these cars are too expensive to begin with, but it's not impossible to have fun, speed and low FC in one car. smile.gif (Of course it depends on the driver... you can probably bring at least the diesels below 3L, but of course if you drive them... uh, like they want to be driven then you will need more. biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(turbocharged @ Jan 4 2012, 01:20 PM)
pls dont under estimate those senior citizen la. sleep.gif.

you tell them TURBO, they understand one.

since 15 years ago, turbo is a household name, thanks to Mitsubishi lancer evolution.

if they are that ignorant they might be shopping for saga or vios only. just a car, with a badge, thats it.
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bro never said about senior citizen, only cc conscious ppl, it applies to anyone who dont believe in turbocharged engines. turbocharged cars in many peoples mind are modified cars with loud noise and bright neon lights and boom boom sound, u go ask and see.

F&F member understand what is direct injection and force inducted engines. many out there still think otherwise. anyway time will tell on how technology will be different in the future. especially proton has one,
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But it must be reminded that even though a car is turbo-charged, it doesn't mean it will be fuel efficient!

I think the torque curve will tell you a lot about fuel efficiency.

Even then, ask around and you will be shocked that a Mitsu Evo 2.0 turbo consumption is about the same as a Toyota 3.5 NA in normal driving.

The most efficient currently is still a turbo charged direct injection diesel I think.

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I think it depends on why the car has a turbo. For downsizing/better efficiency or for maximum performance.

And yeah, it's hard to beat a diesel smile.gif Diesel has more energy per liter.
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So what is the verdict? Which car is value for money in msia?
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QUOTE(Ambang2 @ Jan 15 2012, 01:01 AM)
So what is the verdict? Which car is value for money in msia?
Not really sure. Great specs for sure. BUt not sure how current sales are. But read this:

http://cbt.com.my/120112/tuv-toyota-prius-...scores-well-too

Quite a few Korean / Peugeot makes in the bottom half of the survey while Toyota appears in the top 10 list for all age groups surveyed.

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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Dec 30 2011, 10:39 PM)
No i think Toyota has done away with the 5 speed GB for the Camry. If they still have it, im surely not buying a Camry.  notworthy.gif

But im currently inclined towards the Kia Optima while moving further away from the 508. Saw another unit on the road and the rear does look cacat.
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QUOTE(ar188 @ Jan 21 2012, 10:05 PM)
WTF? after promote 508 kau kau now go for cheaper optima??  hmm.gif
Well that was before the Optima was launched and b4 i test drove the 508 4 times.

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Well that was before the Optima was launched and b4 i test drove the 508 4 times.
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so what was the result after 4 times of testing 508? not as good as optima?
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QUOTE(ar188 @ Jan 23 2012, 11:54 AM)
so what was the result after 4 times of testing 508? not as good as optima?
Havent tested the Optima so cant say for sure. But im worried about ride comfort with the 18 inch wheels. Also, many reports say the Optima is sluggish. NOt sure whats the kerb weight of the car. Its surely more than 1450kg.
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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Jan 23 2012, 11:58 AM)
Havent tested the Optima so cant say for sure. But im worried about ride comfort with the 18 inch wheels. Also, many reports say the Optima is sluggish. NOt sure whats the kerb weight of the car. Its surely more than 1450kg.
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buy lah passat, all become uncle lah, upgrade upgrade.

VW all the way,, haha, joking, but honestly among the 3 listed here, passat has the bigger number on the road, 508 and mondeo is close call up to date.

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buy lah passat, all become uncle lah, upgrade upgrade.

VW all the way,, haha, joking, but honestly among the 3 listed here, passat has the bigger number on the road, 508 and mondeo is close call up to date.
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QUOTE(ar188 @ Jan 23 2012, 02:59 PM)
passat cannot ler.. the looks so boring. like late 90s toyota. sad.gif  but strangely the smaller jetta looks nice..
Yes i agree. The Passat 1.8TSI really looks boring. Seen very few on the road but doesnt even raise eyebrows. The Jetta seems a better bet but still looks very outdated.

By the way, i managed to test the Optima yesterday. Managed to hit 120-130kmph on Sprint Hw and was quite impressed with the NVH, handling and rear suspension comfort. Rear suspension comfort better than the 508 for sure. But unlike the 508, the Optima is sluggish from startup (as expected) due to the heavier body weight and lower torque. But has good mid range pickup.
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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Jan 27 2012, 12:39 AM)
Yes i agree. The Passat 1.8TSI really looks boring. Seen very few on the road but doesnt even raise eyebrows. The Jetta seems a better bet but still looks very outdated.

By the way, i managed to test the Optima yesterday. Managed to hit 120-130kmph on Sprint Hw and was quite impressed with the NVH, handling and rear suspension comfort. Rear suspension comfort better than the 508 for sure. But unlike the 508, the Optima is sluggish from startup (as expected) due to the heavier body weight and lower torque. But has good mid range pickup.
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QUOTE(Ambang2 @ Jan 26 2012, 11:49 PM)
How about mondeo? Just curious why Malaysian r so rigid despite knowing this car rated the best family mid size sedan car in many country in Europe n Australia.
Europeans and Australians dont pay the kind of prices we do here in Malaysia. The Mondeo also doesnt have the looks like the Optima. It actually looks quite old from the rear just like the Passat 1.8. Spec wise the Peugeot 508 offers more for a RM10K cheaper price tag. Sime Darby's after sales service record in Malaysia seems to be worse than Naza. Plus not that many service centres around for Ford compared to Naza.
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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Jan 27 2012, 12:11 AM)
Europeans and Australians dont pay the kind of prices we do here in Malaysia. The Mondeo also doesnt have the looks like the Optima. It actually looks quite old from the rear just like the Passat 1.8. Spec wise the Peugeot 508 offers more for a RM10K cheaper price tag. Sime Darby's after sales service record in Malaysia seems to be worse than Naza. Plus not that many service centres around for Ford compared to Naza.
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So which one you decided to choose? For you the deterring factor of the 508 is the ugly back, and you decided to wait for Camry 2012. Now that the 2012 Camry is launched elsewhere in the world, it seems that the back of it is worse than anything else. Going Optima? I went to KIA showroom in ampang to have a look at the Optima, but the interior is as exciting as ermm...watching paint dry?
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QUOTE(sleepy @ Jan 27 2012, 10:25 AM)
So which one you decided to choose? For you the deterring factor of the 508 is the ugly back, and you decided to wait for Camry 2012. Now that the 2012 Camry is launched elsewhere in the world, it seems that the back of it is worse than anything else. Going Optima? I went to KIA showroom in ampang to have a look at the Optima, but the interior is as exciting as ermm...watching paint dry?
Yes the interior is nothing to shout about. The 508 has a much better interior. But then again, no such thing as a complete car rite? The 508's main deterring factor is the rear suspension comfort.

So with its specs, decent handling, good NVH, excellent exterior design, the 5 yr unlimited mileage warranty,generous rear legroom and average pricing (although i would prefer it to be lower), i think the Optima is winning the battle for me.

But ill do a few more test drives before i make a decision.
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I actually sat in the Mondeo and loved how silent the ride was... over the Passat and the 508.

The 208/300 numbers are really hard to beat when you're comparing against 1xx/2xx of the other two.

My personal preference as a driver would be the Mondeo, but looks wise the 508 would have much more of an impact.


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So far my 508 is doing good. Really stable at high speeds ie 190kmh-200kmh. Brakes perform well at those speeds too unlike japanese make like honda which will give you nerve wracking experience. The only thing that annoys me is the wind noise at those speeds. Suspension wise, it's ok la. I went on a trip to Perlis and back this week. My parents were sitting at the back and they havent really complained about uncomfortable ride.
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QUOTE(darthbaboon @ Jan 27 2012, 03:51 PM)
I actually sat in the Mondeo and loved how silent the ride was... over the Passat and the 508.

The 208/300 numbers are really hard to beat when you're comparing against 1xx/2xx of the other two.

My personal preference as a driver would be the Mondeo, but looks wise the 508 would have much more of an impact.
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208/300? Huh?

Ride comfort can be improved by fitting less ridiculous rims smile.gif

But yeah, the 508 is meant to be the sporty counterpart of the super comfortable Citroen C5, I mean they need to differentiate the cars as they shouldn't fight each other (same segment, same company).
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QUOTE(darthbaboon @ Jan 27 2012, 03:51 PM)
I actually sat in the Mondeo and loved how silent the ride was... over the Passat and the 508.

The 208/300 numbers are really hard to beat when you're comparing against 1xx/2xx of the other two.

My personal preference as a driver would be the Mondeo, but looks wise the 508 would have much more of an impact.
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NVH of passat is already very good, the mondeo is even better?
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QUOTE(kadajawi @ Jan 27 2012, 06:36 PM)
208/300? Huh?
200 BHP Power / 300 Nm Torque for the Mondeo vs 156 / 240 for the Pug 508 vs 162 / 250 for the Passat

QUOTE(Bliz @ Jan 27 2012, 06:52 PM)
NVH of passat is already very good, the mondeo is even better?
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QUOTE(darthbaboon @ Jan 27 2012, 08:18 PM)
200 BHP Power / 300 Nm Torque for the Mondeo vs 156 / 240 for the Pug 508 vs 162 / 250 for the Passat
Yeap that's my personal opinion of course.
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Good to know that, I have read many reviews saying that the mondeo is very refined and comfortable, guess I should test drive it one day brows.gif
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Please don't test drive the Mondeo...

Coz everything else will be like... no syiok liao doh.gif

For me, might wait for the new Mondeo, perhaps late 2013.
Or maybe the new Focus rumoured to be released this year.
But the new Focus has already been scrutinized to be less of a handler than the current one.
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QUOTE(teewan @ Jan 27 2012, 10:45 PM)
Please don't test drive the Mondeo...

Coz everything else will be like... no syiok liao  doh.gif

For me, might wait for the new Mondeo, perhaps late 2013.
Or maybe the new Focus rumoured to be released this year.
But the new Focus has already been scrutinized to be less of a handler than the current one.
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Ford Mondeo and VW Passat test drive

I tested the Mondeo on Federal highway and it was rather congested.
Then I tested the Passat in Glenmarie where there were clear roads to run.

Exterior styling
On the whole Passat looks more pleasing to my eyes.
If you add the 508 into the mix, 508 looks the best.
But looks are always subjective.

Interior
Passat's console and the gear stick looks much nicer presented than the Mondeo.
The seats on the Passat are full leather while the Mondeo's are mixed leather with fabic.
Mondeo gives full electric adjustable seats while the Passat gives semi-electric adjust with manual.
Mondeo's rear air-cond vents on the B-pillar is preferred to the Passat's rear air-cond vents behind the armrest.
Middle rear passenger has more leg room in the Mondeo than the Passat.

Driving
Both cars accelerates very quickly.
I only had short roads to try the Mondeo but it still accelerated quickly for a D segement car.
I also tried the Passat in Sports mode and it responded very well through the gears

Comfort
Engine noise is very well muted in the Mondeo whenever I accelerated.
The Mondeo also handles any bumps and potholes very nicely and it feels soft and comfortable in the cabin.
With the Passat whenever I floored the pedal, engine noise enters the cabin.
It also doesn't handle bumps and potholes well even when I drove slowly as I can feel the harshness of the road in the cabin.
I felt like I was in the cabin of a proton

Other points
Both cars have a very deep car boot but on the Mondeo it is a bit low.
It is also deep but not as low in the Passat.
Mondeo uses gas struts to open the boot.
Passat uses spring type? I think.
Mondeo's side mirrors can be folded by the touch of a button but you have to fold it manually on the Passat.


In my books the Mondeo is a better car than the Passat because I place top priority on Comfort.


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NVH of passat is already very good, the mondeo is even better?
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The Passat I tested had bad NVH.
- engine noise enters the cabin when accelerating.
- doesn't handle bumps and potholes well even when I drove slowly. I hear a thud every time the tyres hits a pothole.
- I can feel the harshness of the road in the cabin.

Not sure if this is the same for other Passats or only the one I tried.

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QUOTE(darthbaboon @ Jan 27 2012, 08:18 PM)
200 BHP Power / 300 Nm Torque for the Mondeo vs 156 / 240 for the Pug 508 vs 162 / 250 for the Passat
Not very correct. Ure getting the HP and PS confused a bit. The HP and torque for the 3 models are: Mondeo (200/300), Peugeot (156/240) and Passat 1.8TSI (158/250).
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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Jan 30 2012, 02:04 PM)
Not very correct. Ure getting the HP and PS confused a bit. The HP and torque for the 3 models are: Mondeo (200/300), Peugeot (156/240) and Passat 1.8TSI (158/250).
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Passat is listed as 160 PS... that's 162 BHP or 118 kW. Please recheck your conversions... anyhow 2 or 4 BHP isn't gonna make much difference in the big picture... it's nitpicking. doh.gif
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QUOTE(darthbaboon @ Jan 30 2012, 06:38 PM)
Passat is listed as 160 PS... that's 162 BHP or 118 kW. Please recheck your conversions... anyhow 2 or 4 BHP isn't gonna make much difference in the big picture... it's nitpicking.  doh.gif
Friend, 160PS = 158HP. PS is a bigger unit than HP. 162HP is 120.8kW not 118kW. Its not about making a difference. Its about representing accurate facts.

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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Jan 31 2012, 07:41 AM)
Friend, 160PS = 158HP. PS is a bigger unit than HP. 162HP is 120.8kW not  118kW. Its not about making a difference. Its about representing accurate facts.
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Some interesting specs bout the upcoming Toyota Camry. 1465kg kerb weight, 146Hp and 190Nm torque. Pretty pathetic figures for a new generation Camry. Even the new Optima churns out 163Hp and 198Nm torque.
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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Jan 31 2012, 08:17 AM)
Some interesting specs bout the upcoming Toyota Camry. 1465kg kerb weight, 146Hp and 190Nm torque. Pretty pathetic figures for a new generation Camry. Even the new Optima churns out 163Hp and 198Nm torque.
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2.0 version? Would this be on a new engine slapping a new shell onto old everything else?

The figures are dismal if true. shakehead.gif
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QUOTE(darthbaboon @ Jan 31 2012, 09:02 AM)
2.0 version? Would this be on a new engine slapping a new shell onto old everything else?

The figures are dismal if true.  shakehead.gif
It is true. Reported on the Toyota Japan website yesterday. Toyota is really shooting themselves in the foot with this.
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Any updates on the sales figures for the Peugeot 508?

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Anyone got update about sales figures of Ford mondeo? i hardly see it on the road despite being rated amongst the best driver car as compared to passat n 508.

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Any updates on the sales figures for the Peugeot 508?
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his choices are k5 and camry now, 508 out liau
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QUOTE(ar188 @ Feb 7 2012, 08:43 AM)
still keeping this 508 as a buy option?  biggrin.gif
Ill only make my final decision in April. So till then anything is possible. But yes, the Optima is the front runner now.
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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Feb 8 2012, 08:53 AM)
Ill only make my final decision in April. So till then anything is possible. But yes, the Optima is the front runner now.
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Waiting for 2012 batch CBU cars to arrive? What sold you on the K5?

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QUOTE(darthbaboon @ Feb 8 2012, 09:28 AM)
Waiting for 2012 batch CBU cars to arrive? What sold you on the K5?
Not really. Im still considering models. Ill surely get a 2012 model only but still havent decided between the Optima, Camry, Audi A4 & BMW 3 Series. But the Optima is in front cuz of the design, specs and cheaper price compared to the other models. Drivability is also good.
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what about the new 2013 ford fusion/mondeo?

http://www.ford.com/cars/fusion/2013/?intc...07m4n0p20120109

Looks awesome, front crosses from Jaguar and Aston.


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Btw... HP /= BHP.
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HP is energy output measured at the engine flywheel. Its usually more.
BHP is on wheel power with drivetrain loss (~15%)
PS is Japanese measure which is very close to HP
KW - somewhat american like to be different lol



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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Jan 27 2012, 02:43 PM)
Yes the interior is nothing to shout about. The 508 has a much better interior. But then again, no such thing as a complete car rite? The 508's main deterring factor is the rear suspension comfort.

So with its specs, decent handling, good NVH, excellent exterior design, the 5 yr unlimited mileage warranty,generous rear legroom and average pricing (although i would prefer it to be lower), i think the Optima is winning the battle for me.

But ill do a few more test drives before i make a decision.
I am new to this forum. I got my 508 for a month now. I don't find the rear suspension is a problem to me, just that something you have to know that the original tires pressure shipped from France is way higher than the needed.

The recommended pressure is 35 psi (240 KPa) front and 32 psi (220 KPa) rear. My tyres are about 45 psi at front and about 40 psi at rear so if the SC not making any changes to the tires before your test drive, you should feel uneasy the whole car not yet the rear.

So far the driving feel and gadgets inside the car is something I enjoy daily. I heard that no Malaysia map available for 508 which is something very disappointed but still many things else to play with.
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QUOTE(yclam5729 @ Feb 13 2012, 07:39 PM)
I am new to this forum. I got my 508 for a month now. I don't find the rear suspension is a problem to me, just that something you have to know that the original tires pressure shipped from France is way higher than the needed.

The recommended pressure is 35 psi (240 KPa) front and 32 psi (220 KPa) rear. My tyres are about 45 psi at front and about 40 psi at rear so if the SC not making any changes to the tires before your test drive, you should feel uneasy the whole car not yet the rear.

So far the driving feel and gadgets inside the car is something I enjoy daily. I heard that no Malaysia map available for 508 which is something very disappointed but still many things else to play with.
What other D segment cars have you driven or tested before? The problem with the rear suspension has nothing to do with the tyre pressure. The main problem is the 18 inch rims. The problem becomes even worse when u have a full load behind. Even the salesman admitted the rear suspension is not tuned for comfort and its made worse by the large rims. Ive test driven the 508 about 4 times ( different cars) to date so im quite sure about the rear suspension.

Have you tested the Kia Optima? It too has 18 inch rims but the comfort is still there due to the high performance dampers and sliding valve mechanism. The shock absorbers are also gas.
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What other D segment cars have you driven or tested before? The problem with the rear suspension has nothing to do with the tyre pressure. The main problem is the 18 inch rims. The problem becomes even worse when u have a full load behind. Even the salesman admitted the rear suspension is not tuned for comfort and its made worse by the large rims. Ive test driven the 508 about 4 times ( different cars) to date so im quite sure about the rear suspension.

Have you tested the Kia Optima? It too has 18 inch rims but the comfort is still there due to the high performance dampers and sliding valve mechanism. The shock absorbers are also gas.
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I am tested Camry, Accord, Sonata, Lexus IS250, Mazda 6 & Passat in 2011 for Segment D. I didn't test drive Optima yet cause I already own 508 that time.

I did ask my wife who use to sit behind and she admits it feels better when tires pressure were reduce to what it should. It won't feel so bumpy and I can feel the cruise is much smoother hitting bumpy roads. To me it is an obvious different before and after the change of tires pressure. My maximum load is 4 adults behind total 6 persons in the car, it is still no big deal for my requirement. wink.gif Maybe you have higher requirement for rear suspension, thus you have to look for what your desire most. I still think the suspension for Peugeot is slightly better than M6 which has 18" rim as well. M6 ride maybe slightly more rough than 508. Passat is another decent drive just maybe too uncle and pricy for me. Without keyless entry is a no no for my requirements.

So far all the 508 owners in forum have yet to complain about the rear suspension except the tires pressure. Just my 2 cents.

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QUOTE(yclam5729 @ Feb 14 2012, 09:01 AM)
I am tested Camry, Accord, Sonata, Lexus IS250, Mazda 6 & Passat in 2011 for Segment D. I didn't test drive Optima yet cause I already own 508 that time.

I did ask my wife who use to sit behind and she admits it feels better when tires pressure were reduce to what it should. It won't feel so bumpy and I can feel the cruise is much smoother hitting bumpy roads. To me it is an obvious different before and after the change of tires pressure. My maximum load is 4 adults behind total 6 persons in the car, it is still no big deal for my requirement.  wink.gif Maybe you have higher requirement for rear suspension, thus you have to look for what your desire most. I still think the suspension for Peugeot is slightly better than M6 which has 18" rim as well. M6 ride maybe slightly more rough than 508. Passat is another decent drive just maybe too uncle and pricy for me. Without keyless entry is a no no for my requirements.

So far all the 508 owners in forum have yet to complain about the rear suspension except the tires pressure. Just my 2 cents.
So u tested the Camry, Accord, Lexus, M6 and Passat and you found the suspension of the Peugeot 508 to be as good or even better despite 4 adults sitting behind?

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So u tested the Camry, Accord, Lexus, M6 and Passat and you found the suspension of the Peugeot 508 to be as good or even better despite 4 adults sitting behind?
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Yes, Camry and Accord are out for me, the rest is acceptable and 508 for 4 adults frequent usage has no problem especially the tires pressure were reduced to normal. Wind noise from windows is more annoying if you don't turn on the speakers. But that doesn't happen until you hit 130km/h without turn on your sound system.
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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Feb 14 2012, 09:22 AM)
So u tested the Camry, Accord, Lexus, M6 and Passat and you found the suspension of the Peugeot 508 to be as good or even better despite 4 adults sitting behind?

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Yes, Camry and Accord are out for me, the rest is acceptable and 508 for 4 adults frequent usage has no problem especially the tires pressure were reduced to normal. Wind noise from windows is more annoying if you don't turn on the speakers. But that doesn't happen until you hit 130km/h without turn on your sound system.
Bro, the Jap models suspension are tuned for comfort and with the smaller rims and yet you found the suspension of the 508 to be less harsh or bumpy in comparison? Its common knowledge that most conti cars are tuned for handling while Japs are tuned for comfort.

There's only 1 explanation: Your focus was not the suspension when you test drove. You seem to be more interested in the specs rather than the mechanical parts of the car.

When you were test driving the car, was the radio on? Were all of you talking? Was the salesman talking alot to you? Was the aircon at high blast? All these are typical techniques used by salesmen to keep the focus off the negative aspects of the car.

Where did you test drive? What was the route? Type of road? Did you slam the car into potholes and take speed bumps at higher than normal speeds?

Did you test those cars above with the same 3 adult passengers at the back in order to make a decent comparision?

I tested the Camry, Accord, Teana and Kia Optima on the same day with my same 3 friends. That was the 3rd time i tested the Peugeot 508.

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What other D segment cars have you driven or tested before? The problem with the rear suspension has nothing to do with the tyre pressure. The main problem is the 18 inch rims. The problem becomes even worse when u have a full load behind. Even the salesman admitted the rear suspension is not tuned for comfort and its made worse by the large rims. Ive test driven the 508 about 4 times ( different cars) to date so im quite sure about the rear suspension.

Have you tested the Kia Optima? It too has 18 inch rims but the comfort is still there due to the high performance dampers and sliding valve mechanism. The shock absorbers are also gas.
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It does actually. Mine came with 50psi on front tyres and 45psi on rear tyres when I receive my car. So I dropped it to 35psi/32psi, and does it make a big difference. The car feels far less bumpy now. Btw I believe all the 508's that came in has seriously high tyre pressure, even the ones for test drive. A lot of owners receive their cars with crazy tyre pressure and didnt realise it until we told them to check
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QUOTE(sleepy @ Feb 14 2012, 11:28 AM)
It does actually. Mine came with 50psi on front tyres and 45psi on rear tyres when I receive my car. So I dropped it to 35psi/32psi, and does it make a big difference. The car feels far less bumpy now. Btw I believe all the 508's that came in has seriously high tyre pressure, even the ones for test drive. A lot of owners receive their cars with crazy tyre pressure and didnt realise it until we told them to check
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Bro, the Jap models suspension are tuned for comfort and with the smaller rims and yet you found the suspension of the 508 to be less harsh or bumpy in comparison? Its common knowledge that most conti cars are tuned for handling while Japs are tuned for comfort.

There's only 1 explanation: Your focus was not the suspension when you test drove. You seem to be more interested in the specs rather than the mechanical parts of the car.

When you were test driving the car, was the radio on? Were all of you talking? Was the salesman talking alot to you? Was the aircon at high blast? All these are typical techniques used by salesmen to keep the focus off the negative aspects of the car.

Where did you test drive? What was the route? Type of road? Did you slam the car into potholes and take speed bumps at higher than normal speeds?

Did you test those cars above with the same 3 adult passengers at the back in order to make a decent comparision?

I tested the Camry, Accord, Teana and Kia Optima on the same day with my same 3 friends. That was the 3rd time i tested the Peugeot 508.
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It depends how you define preferred suspension. For me is whenever the car hit bumpy road/ pot holes, the less I feel it the better I prefer.

No I don't do such a good comparison with the same people at the same day but I do off the sound system when I test drive. I only drive 1 person behind, I still prefer the conti suspension except Lexus which is equally good. What I emphasis is the tires pressure does make huge different for the same size of tires. Yes, 18" with 45 will have less discomfort compare to 65, but after I change to the right tires pressure, I feel good about 508 suspension.

Of course, this is very subjective from one to another, if you still prefer Jap or Korean make where suspension is your first priority and you think they are better, then go ahead with that choice, don't bother what people say.

Bare in mind why I started this reply to you is I just want to make you aware of the tires pressure that is too high for all the cars you tested unless the SA change it which I doubt.(My SA doesn't even tell me when pass me the car I doubt most SA even aware or bother to change at the test drive car; I only learnt from Forum).
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It depends how you define preferred suspension. For me is whenever the car hit bumpy road/ pot holes, the less I feel it the better I prefer.

No I don't do such a good comparison with the same people at the same day but I do off the sound system when I test drive. I only drive 1 person behind, I still prefer the conti suspension except Lexus which is equally good. What I emphasis is the tires pressure does make huge different for the same size of tires. Yes, 18" with 45 will have less discomfort compare to 65, but after I change to the right tires pressure, I feel good about 508 suspension.

Of course, this is very subjective from one to another,  if you still prefer Jap or Korean make where suspension is your first priority and you think they are better, then go ahead with that choice, don't bother what people say.

Bare in mind why I started this reply to you is I just want to make you aware of the tires pressure that is too high for all the cars you tested unless the SA change it which I doubt.(My SA doesn't even tell me when pass me the car I doubt most SA even aware or bother to change at the test drive car; I only learnt from Forum).
Yes agreed. All cars usually come with overinflated tyres especially CBU cars. The reason for this is for easier handling in tight spaces during loading/unloading. On the road, it helps save fuel when going for Puspakom inspections. I dont see how much it would save but thats what they do. But what im saying is that most if not all the test drive cars come with over-inflated tyres so typre pressure shouldnt be a yardstick rite?
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50 psi? Wtf? I'm a high pressure fan (FC and handling/stability), but that is more than what most tyres are rated for.

You have to keep in mind that after only a few hundred metres the tyres may have heated up, significantly increasing the pressure. A too low pressure is dangerous as the tyre runs risk of blowing up.

Just have a look at what the 508 is coming with as standard in Europe... Probably it is 15 or 16", that is probably the size the suspension is tuned for. Sell those 18" and replace them with some 16" and you should be fine.

Japanese cars don't put any focus on handling, thus they are even comfortable with 18". I don't think they use anything fancy, unlike Citroen with the C5 and C6, which are very comfortable AND corner ok.
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Hi, there is rumor of Ford bringing in the Mondeo with Volvo S60 T5 bashing variant featuring 240ps and 340nm (rough ballpark figures, since I heard from conversation). I'm gonna go check out the showroom...

This sounds like specs similar to the Mondeo Titanium X.
Priced around RM190K+, it'd better be upgraded specs as well, and not just higher engine tune.
If equipped like the Titanium X, it will come with integrated spoiler, GPS, higher engine tune, heated seats (probably removed), alcantara.

But here comes my crucial question again: is Ford Malaysia trying to capitalize on a soon-to-be-obsolete model, and pocketing the profits by buying cheaper models which sales would have plummeted overseas, and charging us the full price? New Mondeo/Fusion will be introduced maybe end 2013 or 2014 in right-hand-drive. Or Ford Malaysia may go a whole year or two late, and only bring them in 2015?


Added on March 11, 2012, 5:13 pmHi, I have confirmed the arrival of the new variant of Mondeo, at the port it seems.

Ford Malaysia's marketing team is still working on the launch (perhaps also working out how to maximise profits tongue.gif)

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Hi guys, I have been googling all over regarding the cars which m planning to get, earliest from June, latest by the end of this yr..

Am kinda confused between both Peugeot 508 and the Optima...

am really interested in which car cybermaster is getting..

And sleepy, have u found any problem with ur 508? and hows Naza's service so far?
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QUOTE(williamhltdudu @ Mar 30 2012, 08:47 PM)
Hi guys, I have been googling all over regarding the cars which m planning to get, earliest from June, latest by the end of this yr..

Am kinda confused between both Peugeot 508 and the Optima...

am really interested in which car cybermaster is getting..

And sleepy, have u found any problem with ur 508? and hows Naza's service so far?
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So far so good. I'm liking it more and more. Power wise quite good, so don't be fooled by the small displacement. Oh and another thing is the wind noise from the a-pillar tend to get slightly loud when going 130kmh+.

Oh ya, service center a bit packed. i went to the one in Chan sow Lin. Go in 8am. Car ready by 1pm. This is seriously long.

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QUOTE(sleepy @ Mar 30 2012, 09:16 PM)
So far so good. I'm liking it more and more. Power wise quite good, so don't be fooled by the small displacement. Oh and another thing is the wind noise from the a-pillar tend to get slightly loud when going 130kmh+.

Oh ya, service center a bit packed. i went to the one in Chan sow Lin. Go in 8am. Car ready by 1pm. This is seriously long.
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considered normal, last time service as pj blue box, leave it at 8-9am, then after 4 only go collect.. biggrin.gif
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Oh... okie.. smile.gif
I dont know... I cant find much customer reviews of this car online since this car is not available in US, and hardly any europeans and other countries people buy the 1.6L petrol turbo-version..

Hav u heard if there is anything wrong technically wit this car? from ur friends or relatives? I can see u r pretty happy wit this car smile.gif

And I hope spcx and other members who has got this car to shed some info.. thx a lot smile.gif


PS: can u guys upload some photos of ur cars (interiorly and exterriorly)? Thx a lot smile.gif

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QUOTE(williamhltdudu @ Mar 30 2012, 08:47 PM)
Hi guys, I have been googling all over regarding the cars which m planning to get, earliest from June, latest by the end of this yr..

Am kinda confused between both Peugeot 508 and the Optima...

am really interested in which car cybermaster is getting..

And sleepy, have u found any problem with ur 508? and hows Naza's service so far?
Well, after about 6-7 test drives and detailed analysis, im quite sure of getting the Optima K5. Seems to be the best looking car with the best warranty coverage out there. Spec wise its a tad lower than the 508 but still beats all the Japs.

4 main drawbacks of the 508 (in my opinion):

1) Design - rear design is poor and overall doesnt have a wow factor
2) Warranty terms
3) Too many issues on the 308T have yet to be resolved. Good chance of it being repeated in the 508
4) Rear seat discomfort over bumps/uneven roads - due to 18 inch tyres and harder suspension
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QUOTE(teewan @ Mar 10 2012, 10:38 AM)
Hi, there is rumor of Ford bringing in the Mondeo with Volvo S60 T5 bashing variant featuring 240ps and 340nm (rough ballpark figures, since I heard from conversation). I'm gonna go check out the showroom...

This sounds like specs similar to the Mondeo Titanium X.
Priced around RM190K+, it'd better be upgraded specs as well, and not just higher engine tune.
If equipped like the Titanium X, it will come with integrated spoiler, GPS, higher engine tune, heated seats (probably removed), alcantara.

But here comes my crucial question again: is Ford Malaysia trying to capitalize on a soon-to-be-obsolete model, and pocketing the profits by buying cheaper models which sales would have plummeted overseas, and charging us the full price? New Mondeo/Fusion will be introduced maybe end 2013 or 2014 in right-hand-drive. Or Ford Malaysia may go a whole year or two late, and only bring them in 2015?


Added on March 11, 2012, 5:13 pmHi, I have confirmed the arrival of the new variant of Mondeo, at the port it seems.

Ford Malaysia's marketing team is still working on the launch (perhaps also working out how to maximise profits tongue.gif)
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My friend just booked a Passat 1.8 CBU unit. He got it for RM169K +, RM18K discount.
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My friend just booked a Passat 1.8 CBU unit. He got it for RM169K +, RM18K discount.
That price is not inclusive insurance rite? Anyway, are u sure its CBU? Why would they wanna offer a CBU Passat with a discount unless its a 2011 manufactured model?
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Oh... okie.. smile.gif
I dont know... I cant find much customer reviews of this car online since this car is not available in US, and hardly any europeans and other countries people buy the 1.6L petrol turbo-version..

Hav u heard if there is anything wrong technically wit this car? from ur friends or relatives? I can see u r pretty happy wit this car smile.gif

And I hope spcx and other members who has got this car to shed some info.. thx a lot smile.gif
PS: can u guys upload some photos of ur cars (interiorly and exterriorly)? Thx a lot smile.gif
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Well there are some potential engine problems that may pop up:

1) premature failure or the timing chain tensioner (hassle to fix)
2) diverter valve crack (can be easily fixed)
3) engine oil leak on the engine cover (can be easily fixable)

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Did peugeot provide you the Navi system as promised earlier? If not, can 3rd party Nav system be installed & work properly with the stock display. Just curious.
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Thanks sleepy for providing the info...

First of all, ur car looks awesome man!! congrates again smile.gifsmile.gif guess u must be really enjoyin ur ride..smile.gif

hmm... for ur point 1) premature failure of the timing chain tensioner... does it covered under the warranty during the warranty period? if not, how much would it cost to fix it?

Sorry, I dont know much about the engine stuff... sad.gif

Hav u urself come across wit any big trouble till now?

And Cybermaster, hav u booked th optima yet? I have all the worries u hav on 508 as well.. hav u tried to put two cars next to each other? from wat I feel, the 508 has more elegant feeling to it? and hows the suspension, body-roll and the steering of the optima compared to 508?
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Well everything is covered under warranty but you will have to leave your car at the sc for them to change the parts, and nasim sc is well known to be slow in this department. Timing chain is around 1k and the tensioner 700+? Anyway not all the cars get this problem. Some is reaching 70k and still going strong. So depends on luck.

About the navi system, there is a 3rd party one that is touch screen based and fully compatible with the 508. Saw it on YouTube. Btw supposedly nasim will provide a Malaysian map this June, but I'm not putting up high hopes on it
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And Cybermaster, hav u booked th optima yet? I have all the worries u hav on 508 as well..  hav u tried to put two cars next to each other? from wat I feel, the 508 has more elegant feeling to it? and hows the suspension, body-roll and the steering of the optima compared to 508?
Ive tested both a number of times both high speed highway and on the poor uneven roads in TTDI. I prefer the comfort and handling of the Optima. Rear seat passengers will be more comfortable with the Optima due to the gas shock absorbers and high performance dampers. Ive also taken the Optima on roundabouts at around 80kmph to test body roll and road holding and i was impressed.

You can see more comments on the Optima here: http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/1931461/+1740

But the 508 has surely got more power with its 240Nm Turbo engine while the Optima is a bit sluggish with only 198Nm torque. Interior wise, the 508 looks more classy and its specs are marginally better than the Optima. But then again, the 508 also costs RM 27,000 more.
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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Oct 28 2011, 08:19 AM)
Just to list down the spec list on the Peugeot 508 for your info:

1) 6 speed Tiptronic auto adaptive gearbox with Sports & Manual mode
2) 1.6L Twin Scroll High Pressure Turbo (THP) Prince engine with 156Hp, 240Nm
3) Latest generation Electronic Stability Program (ESP)
4) Anti Lock Braking System (ABS)
5) Electronic Brake Force Distribution (EBD)
6) Intelligent Traction Control System (ITCS)
7) Emergency Brake Assist (EBA)
8) Anti Skid Regulation (ASR)
9) 6 airbags
10) Intelligent Airbag System (separate impact deployment and secondary impact protection)
11) Automatic Electric Parking Brake
12) 4 individual zone auto air-conditioning (separate temp controls for both rear passengers)
13) Colour Heads – Up Display (HUD)
14) Auto Adaptive High Beam System (camera activated)
15) Directional bi – Xenon headlamps with washers & auto levelling system
16) Rain sensing auto wipers 
17) Paddle Shifters on Steering Column
18) 10 speaker JBL sound system with 500W surround sound amplifier
19) Arkamsys Audio Processing System (creates natural central acoustic ambience plus has Favour Listening)
20) Intelligent keyless entry with finger sensor and push start button
21) 8 way electric power seats with lumbar support for driver & front passenger
22) 7” HD multi function colour screen
23) 10 front & rear parking sensors with visual display
24) Available Space Management system (ASM) (for parallel parking)
25) Speed sensing electro hydraulic power steering
26) Premium leather
Peugeot specs are better than the Kia Optima for sure but i guess ure paying an extra RM 27K for it:

The complete specs for the Optima:

2) 6 speed automatic with paddle shifters and Eco mode
3) HID Xenon headlights with Auto Leveling & Static Bending Lights
4) Daytime LED running lights (DRL)
5) Rear LED lights and LED side turn signal lights
6) Auto Light Control System with Escort Lights and washers
7) Electric foldable side mirrors
8) 6 airbags (front, side & curtain airbags)
9) Anti Lock Braking System (ABS)
11) Electronic Brakeforce Distribution System (EBD)
12) Traction Control System (TCS)
13) Hill Assist Control (HAC)
14) Cornering Brake Control (CBC)
15) Brake Assist System (BAS)
16) Rear Parking Assist System with rear camera
17) Speed Sensing Auto door lock
18) Impact Sensing Auto door unlock
19) Auto Cruise Control
20) 18 inch sporty alloy wheels with full disk brakes and full spare alloy wheel
21) MacPherson type suspension with Gas shock absorbers with High Performance Dampers (HPD) with sliding valve
22) Infinity Surround Sound system with 8 speakers & subwoofer
23) 6 in dash CD changer system with Bluetooth, AUX, USB & iPOD connectivity
24) Dual zone auto air con with rear air con vents
25) 8 way power seat (driver) with dual memory function
26) Push Start ignition with Smart Key
27) 3.5” Color TFT LCD display
28) Premium Leather seats
29) Panoramic Electric Sunroof
30) First Korean car with 5 Star NHTSA rating from America




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QUOTE(sleepy @ Mar 31 2012, 01:45 PM)
Well everything is covered under warranty but you will have to leave your car at the sc for them to change the parts, and nasim sc is well known to be slow in this department. Timing chain is around 1k and the tensioner 700+? Anyway not all the cars get this problem. Some is reaching 70k and still going strong. So depends on luck.
Pity Peugeot's warranty is only 3 years or 100,000km. Kia's main selling point now is its 5 year unlimited mileage warranty. Good move by Kia there to quell all the talk on quality and durability. Nasim should have done the same with the 508.
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hmm... I dont knw, now m really stuck in between 2 cars:(

ok.. wat about the delivery time for the optima, do u know cybermaster?
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hmm... I dont knw, now m really stuck in between 2 cars:(
ok.. wat about the delivery time for the optima, do u know cybermaster?
They have ready stock for Platinum Graphite. Other 2 colors should take 2 months. But delievery time shouldnt be a factor in your analysis. Have u test driven both cars yet? If not, head over to 1 Utama (if ure in KL) and test out the Optima.
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That price is not inclusive insurance rite? Anyway, are u sure its CBU? Why would they wanna offer a CBU Passat with a discount unless its a 2011 manufactured model?
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All the 3 cars are good...test drive which you like, service cost and OK on the wallet...


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Errm, well additional features of 508 over K5 from my own observation:

-Better quality interior material (soft touch material wise)
-Dynamic headlights
-HUD
-All 4 doors has sensors (instead of physical buttons) for keyless entry
-4 zone airconditioning
-4x automatic windows with anti-pinch
-Privacy shades for rear passenger
-7" multimedia LCD (for telephony, PDC, GPS <--no malaysian map though)
-Car telephony system actually syncs all contacts into the car, instead of mere hands-free function.
-No horse-shoe-shaped hinge on the bootlid to crush your luggage
-Front parking sensors
-Lights to illuminate the car's surrounding (quite handy so you dont step into puddle of water in darker streets)
-Both front seats are automatic
-Boot release button
-Felt material around wheel arch for better noise-insulation (not sure K5 has this?)
-Fully covered under-carriage (for better noise insulation, not sure K5 has this?)
-Seatbelt reminder for all seats (not sure K5 has this?)
-Automatic parking brakes (not sure K5 has this?)
-Air-cond vents for rear passenger footwell.

K5 over 508

-Sunroof (err not sure if this is useful in malaysian weathers though)
-Reverse camera
-Advanced suspension setup
-Far more attractive styling
-Memory seat for driver
-Cooled glovebox
-6 slot CD-player

This is all that I can get straight out of my head. I could've missed more features on the K5, as I've only visited the showroom for once, where as I've been driving the 508 for almost 6 months.

The 508 is not without faults though. I dont like:
-Small glovebox space. Good enough to store only 2x 500ml bottles
-Small storage compartment under the center arm rest (only big enough for SmartTag laugh.gif)
-Front cupholders. If you put in a cup/bottle, it will block the LCD screen. And the air-cond vents are blowing directly at it. Hot drinks become cold, and cold drinks remain cool. Maybe peugeot's own drinks chilling function? laugh.gif
-Spare tyre in the boot is not fasten with a bolt. Instead it's fasten with a belt? Going through seriously uneven road, you can sometimes hear the tyre bumping around
-Anti-theft bolt on the wheel is more of a hassle than anything else
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Wow.. thx a lot sleepy, u hav sumed-up a gud list of spec comparison... really appreciated man smile.gif

Wait, just want to clarify, 508 doesnt hav memory seat? even for driver?
AND, 508 doesnt have even the reverse camera?? tats a bit of turn off sad.gifsad.gif

But the thing I LOVE in 508 is the premium and luxurious look of the interior, and esp the touch sensitive door handle.. smile.gifsmile.gif

And u said there are lights to illuminate the car's surroundings, where are the lights situated? is it like the Mercs, under each door tat lights up when u open the door? or is it like the puddle light from Mondeo?

I dont know, 508 looks more elegant to me... but again, I havent be able to see either car in person like I mentioned in the optima forum, am in oversea since the beginning of this yr, and will only be able to return back to m'sia by June-July period... I'll def take a look at both cars before making any decision.. and def more than one or two test drive each:)

And guys, may I know is there any new cars around Rm120-170k segment D or even well equipped SUV (like the sportage) launching by the end of 2012? or even in the beginnin of 2013?
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Wow.. thx a lot sleepy, u hav sumed-up a gud list of spec comparison... really appreciated man smile.gif

Wait, just want to clarify, 508 doesnt hav memory seat? even for driver?
AND, 508 doesnt have even the reverse camera?? tats a bit of turn off sad.gifsad.gif

But the thing I LOVE in 508 is the premium and luxurious look of the interior, and esp the touch sensitive door handle.. smile.gifsmile.gif

And u said there are lights to illuminate the car's surroundings, where are the lights situated? is it like the Mercs, under each door tat lights up when u open the door? or is it like the puddle light from Mondeo?

I dont know, 508 looks more elegant to me... but again, I havent be able to see either car in person like I mentioned in the optima forum, am in oversea since the beginning of this yr, and will only be able to return back to m'sia by June-July period... I'll def take a look at both cars before making any decision.. and def more than one or two test drive each:)

And guys, may I know is there any new cars around Rm120-170k segment D or even well equipped SUV (like the sportage) launching by the end of 2012? or even in the beginnin of 2013?
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Well there's really no memory seat in the 508. No reverse camera too. But the pdc is good enough to give you an estimation on how close is your car to an object.

Today I went up genting for fun. Max torque at low revs really help a lot. I've never owned a turbo car before this, and I was pleasantly surprised by this car. Going uphill is effortless, with the gears shifting between 3 and 4.

I remember driving the accord 2.4 to genting and I was forced to shift to as low as 1st gear at certain place, else the car won't move.
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I have seen both 508 and passat (no time to test drive yet) but one thing is for sure, once you step into the 508, you will be seduced by the nice dash and seats. The 508 is one sexy car, not as sexy as a ferrari but still very nice. Even TOP GEAR also commented the same on how nice the 508 looks.

Passat, once you step in, you wont be wow by the anything, except the huge space and legroom. of course, this is a VW german car, so it is very sedated. Handling and power is exceptional but for comfort, i will go for 508.
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Thx sleepy... I'll def take ur words into consideration smile.gif

Carpathia, may I know in which season and episode does top gear talk about 508?

One last question, wat is the most expensive repair or maintenance have u heard in 508? 5k? 20k?

And is it worth spending extra Rm27000 for 508 instead of optima? hmm.gif

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Top Gear Season 17 ep 2

sleepy - what was the interest rate given to you when you got your 508 ? any special promo?
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Sleepy, I have one more question to ask u... I have seen the singapore car forum people complainin that when they shut the door, the roof rattles?? is it true? and they did mention tat they had experienced a lot of body noise from the car when traveling at high speed.. did tat ever happen to urs?
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QUOTE(williamhltdudu @ Apr 1 2012, 10:35 PM)
Thx sleepy... I'll def take ur words into consideration smile.gif

Carpathia, may I know in which season and episode does top gear talk about 508?

One last question, wat is the most expensive repair or maintenance have u heard in 508? 5k? 20k?

And is it worth spending extra Rm27000 for 508 instead of optima? hmm.gif
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So far no repair yet. New car, mana ada so fast need repair. But be prepared to fork out money in future for tyres. 508 uses 235/45/R18 tyres and they arent cheap. The stock michelins are Premacy HP, which is quite good in terms of grip and road-noise.

As for servicing, since this is a tiny 1.6l unit, you'll need to pay less for engine oil. Only 3.7L required per oil change. So 1 bottle of engine oil is more than enough, and you still have leftover too.

Anyway, it's 143888 vs 169888. So that's a 26k difference smile.gif I'm not sure if they have any promotion/discount now. But during Oct 2011, there's no special offer or anything, its a take it or leave it price. To me, this car is worth every penny spent. Things like quad-zone air-conditioning, hi-beam assist and full comfort access are usually equipped in cars of higher price category

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Top Gear Season 17 ep 2

sleepy - what was the interest rate given to you when you got your 508 ? any special promo?
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Hmm, mine was 2.6% from ambank. There are actually other banks out there that offer lower rate. Affin offered 2.5%. But that time, I was in a rush to get the car, so whichever bank that approves my loan first, I will take it. So happens, ambank was the fastest to respond, so I got my loan from them smile.gif

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Sleepy, I have one more question to ask u... I have seen the singapore car forum people complainin that when they shut the door, the roof rattles?? is it true? and they did mention tat they had experienced a lot of body noise from the car when traveling at high speed.. did tat ever happen to urs?
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Roof rattles? No such thing so far, the only thing that rattles is the transparent cover of the central light hub at the front, and it only rattles on bad roads. One of the owner already got it fixed at the SC.

Body noise? Err, what does that mean? As in road noise? If you mean random rattles, cant really hear any during 200kmh drive. There's only some faint rattles going through seriously bad roads.

Oh ya, about the lights, yeah they're similar to mondeo's puddle lights. It's right under the wing mirrors

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I think they meant the NVH(noise, vibration and harshness) gets a bit high and bad during high speed cruising...

I dont know why, but one guy (am not sure who is it or is he/she a SA from different company) mentioned that when shutting the door slightly hard, it sounds firm and nice, but then roof rattles when shutting the door slightly harder(I think he meant slamming the door hard or something)...

It sounds pretty nice as u said some hills even a 2.4L accord needs to shift to 1st gear, but the Turbo 1.6L 508 can manage with 3-4th gear.. smile.gifsmile.gif

Any other problems u heard so far regarding 508?

I really appreciated for all the feedbacks u hav provided regarding ur experiences on this car so far... thx a lot

Lastly, which age grp do u think mostly owns the 508 and the optima? I dont want to look weird driving the car as well tongue.gif laugh.gif

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lot of optima folks that are below the 30 age group - - i guess the modern striking design attracts that segment

the 508 is more sexy classy look..... my wife and i love it...just waiting for the right time when we can book it

my ex boss ( 55yrs old ) bought the passat and he loves it.
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Wait, does K5 really has a more advanced suspension setup in compared to 508 as mentioned by sleepy?


Added on April 2, 2012, 2:44 amhmm... so its more like:
optima below and around 30yrs
vw for >55 yrs

508 - 35 - 50yrs?

Just asking..

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Well nvh at high speeds, I think only wind noise gets bad la. Interior wise, things are solid no matter how fast you travel. Wind noise pops up at 130kmh+. About age group, I'm currently still 27. Going 28 soon smile.gif
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sleepy - does K5 really has a more advanced suspension setup in compared to 508? like tha multi linked gas absorber?
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QUOTE(williamhltdudu @ Apr 2 2012, 12:12 PM)
sleepy -  does K5 really has a more advanced suspension setup in compared to 508? like tha multi linked gas absorber?
Yes it does. The Optima has rear gas shock absorbers with High Performance Dampers (HPD) and a sliding valve mechanism. Thats why rear seat passengers will feel more comfortable in the Optima compared to the 508. Ive sat in both a couple of times over the same uneven roads in TTDI.
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How many 508 owners here hav a family? I mean, married?

I admit I love the quad-zone airconditionin, rear window privacy shades and automatic rear windscreen shade etc....
But here is the problem, am 25, single... so I dont think I'll be utilizing all these awesome functions anytime soon.. now I really doubt whether it is worth spending extra Rm27k for the touch sensitive door handles for keyless entry in my case... sad.gifsad.gifsad.gif

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