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 Peugeot 508, Ford Mondeo or VW Passat?, 3 good cars, 1 choice

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post Oct 24 2011, 12:54 AM

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good choice on 508, Mondeo, brilliant car, if you like the high power output and larger space, if you want comfort, features and luxury feeling, 508, but just bear in mind the speed will never be the same as mondeo. Because that car can fly. Interior between 508 and mondeo, 508 wins hands down. Mondeo no where near. But because of its pricing, 508 wins again.
But some still say 508 is expensive... I wonder why. probably because naza sells cheap cars, that is why it must sell cheaper.

Anyway, quad zone is the only one available in the 508 at the moment, Also different air cond speed. Rear has auto aircond. Only put off on the 508 is the lack of compartment space to put your nice things like Smart tag, handbags, tissue papers. and so on.

But any other than that i will still put my money on the 508. Feels more luxury.


Added on October 24, 2011, 1:02 amanyway cybermaster, you better wait for the camry 2012, later you regret buying any of these 3 cars.

mana tahu camry 2012 is, 2.5 V6 engine. hehe. with CVT gear box, and For sure is Dual VVTi, but maybe no nice cool stuff like DRL, Quad zone aircond, JBL sound systems, or Bose sound Systems. But i am sure the minimum a camry 2012 will offer is at least, Electrical seats, driver passenger, 6 airbags, or maybe 2 only, keyless smart entry and a nice lcd touch screen that looks like after market. super comfortable suspensions, quiet ride, and 0 to 100kmh, who cares, camry what, you drive at your pace lah, tau keh mah,, no need to rush.

But at least camry is more like tau keh look lah, 508 more executive same as mondeo, Passat i cant categorize, So there you go, which category you fall into.

Tau keh, or executive.

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post Oct 28 2011, 07:33 PM

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dear cybermaster, it seems that you have found something that you really really want to share with everyone. Yes some of us have sat in the car even before it was launch, But most of us have yet to drive the car on the roads.

I wonder if you have driven one? i havent cause i didnt book any. So no chance. But i have been following this car since it was born. Well everything came true. But then again time will prove the reliability of the car and brand. French are never famous for reliability. Thats very true. Peugeot is betting the 508 to bring back the brand luxury tag but for the moment they are in between. Passat somehow sucks, unfortunately, mondeo carries a batch most of us wont even want to take a look.

But i know your fire an enthusiasm on the car. You felt something that you have not felt in many many years.

Anyway for 1.6 T at 156 BHP and 240 Nm, we shall wait and see what would it feel like, My guess it be sluggish, but not that bad if you dont care about getting to a place in a rush, But one thing for sure, always test this car without testing VW on the same day, especially passat CC and Golf GTI or and VW range, accept Passat. by the way i only hear passat at the moment sucks, i havent even take a look at the car already so many say it sucks. But many say 508 is nice but expensive. Resale value and so on. how i know, i sat at the back of the car for many many minutes in Mid valley last week to listen to the public reaction on the 508, some even say small and cramp. Most never know the special features. But couldnt blame them, some dont even know what is this car. Btw go slam the door of a accord, continuously, and go slam the door of the 508 you will know the built difference. just try, i did that, everyone looked at me. but i know what i was doing. Between the japanese, Toyota Altis has better feeling when slamming the doors.


Added on October 28, 2011, 7:41 pmif you really want to know the public reaction and impression towards a car, go and sit at the back sit, sit for many minutes, as long as you can , sit quietly, and listen to what people say. What they comment. by doing this you can analyze many things about the car you are about to buy. before jumping into conclusion see what strangers walk in impression of the car.

I did that on ford cars. Fiesta especially. I wanna feel the back seat. can i sit in the back sit for many many hours without feeling claustrophobic or any signs of uncomfortable feeling. Why i do that. Because you are the driver you never know how does your car feel when sitting at the back.
You will never know how your back sit sucks. Anyway most of the time i will do this especially when important cars are being launched in the market. Cars that will change the market share.



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post Oct 28 2011, 09:33 PM

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so does this means in the end, you guys will end up buying Camry. hehe, looks like that is probably whats going to happen. you guys came from Japanese back ground cars. Very very good service centers. Great reliability. headache free. Well french cars or continentals may not be as what you expect in a Japanese car. So you got to give and take. prepare to sacrifice certain expectations. you get great luxury and extreme comfortable ride and handling. But you may loose in resale and reliability issues. So wait for new Camry then only judge if Camry should win all, hands down.

But again, gain some loose some. But ask yourself, which is more important.

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post Oct 28 2011, 09:43 PM

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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Oct 28 2011, 09:39 PM)
Yes i agree. If i were to leave Toyota, it would involve a massive change of mindset. But i think that Toyota is taking its customers for a ride by providing cars which are expensive but with far less tech and inferior handling compared to the European makes. But then again, Toyota's brand comes with excellent build quality, reliability and great resale value. 3 major factors for us in Malaysia who are cursed with having to pay sky high prices for our cars.

I would have still gone with the Camry (which i have been following closely for the past 1.5 yrs) but the design was a major disappointment. Instead of moving forward, they actually moved backward with the 2012 model. The same as what Honda did with the upcoming Civic.
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Moving backwards design depends on how you look at it. some like some dont like. so its very personal
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post Oct 28 2011, 10:14 PM

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but i wanna ask you guys in general, what did you really like about the 508?

let me share with you what i like,

first, the looks. a killer, nice front sexy back. Second, interior. it feels like audi, my dream car, especially 508 comes with that center console.

The seat, i like the 508 compare to mondeo, mondeo seat is a bit more bucket, making long journey a bit tiring.

power, i like mondeo better, by looking at specs and test driving one.
508, well got to wait next year to know.

features, i must say 508 is a little bit more nicer. But mondeo dont loose much.

for car entry and exit, 508 wins hands down, mondeo still got to press button when exiting. 508, slide ur finger at the side of the handle, and thats cool.

508 has the HUD, mondeo dont have.

legroom space, mondeo wins all, camry accord, merc, all not even near.

so in the end where will i put my money, probably 508, cause it is cheapest among the 3. with the better interior specs.


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post Oct 29 2011, 08:52 AM

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c5 is a bit more expensive and very much less accepted compare to peugeot. plus Malaysian c5 has very much less function and luxury feel compare to 508
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post Oct 29 2011, 09:04 AM

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mondeo way way longer i think, sylphy is not bad as well, but i have never compared specs. But sylphy is a C segment, while mondeo is a D segment.

but i would say, roughly about the same sylphy against mondeo.
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post Oct 29 2011, 03:45 PM

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no need to compare, C5 Vs 508, 508 wins in specs, anytime. performance, probably similar
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post Nov 1 2011, 05:20 PM

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tried the passat, and jetta, well i can say passat performance is ok ah.. got some power, not too slow, just nice i would say, Jetta is less comfortable but quite powerful, Both cars are expensive though. I think in VW you are buying the engine and the gearbox,

in a 508, you are buying luxury feeling in the car.

mondeo you are also buying performance. with some nice touch.
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post Nov 1 2011, 08:36 PM

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hey this has become a 508 thread man... everyone now talking about peugeot here.
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post Nov 3 2011, 01:04 PM

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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Nov 3 2011, 10:32 AM)
Ure 100% correct. I dont know why VW would price the Passat 1.8TSI at RM192K with so few specs. I understand they have a good engine and gearbox but surely for 192K you would expect to see the specs of the Peugeot 508 as well.
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let me tell you why the placed the price at 190K, it is because they can, and it is because there will be people buying them.

Of course in VW you are buying the Engine and Gearbox, and in a 508, you buying luxury feeling. Anyway VW will probably hold a better value compare to Peugeot. Ford probably is the worst among the 3.

anyway there is practically nothing in the Passat, nothing special at all, just it is passat and it is a VW and it carries a DSG and TSI badge. And currently the hottest selling brand in malaysia, look at the amount of Golf TSI And GTI on the road. compare to 5 years ago. It is like it is everywhere.

But honestly, VW is really really pricy.


Added on November 3, 2011, 1:07 pm
QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Nov 3 2011, 11:55 AM)
No la. Alot more consideration to be done before i commit.
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slowly study first, dont take the rush, how you know suddenly the second batch comes with updated GPS navigation.

Then you probably get more out of it. Maybe by then when the Camry is out, you can compare even more cars. Then you can choose your pick.


Added on November 3, 2011, 1:09 pm
QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Nov 3 2011, 09:32 AM)
Then pls pick me up. I need to test drive.
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i would also like to sit at the back, hehe, though i may not be buying, just curious how does it feel.

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post Nov 9 2011, 04:36 PM

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a wise man once said, "great things needs a lot of patients, and we shall enjoy and appreciate the fruits that it bears"
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post Nov 9 2011, 08:16 PM

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yo! anyone going to martrade center this weekend? Got test drive for 508, i believe so.

Hehe, anyone interested?
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post Nov 13 2011, 07:16 PM

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so, anyone here went to go and test drive the 508? COTY in martrade has test drive.

Can feed back some info? Thanks
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post Dec 18 2011, 11:14 AM

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looks like passat is wining the pole ya, 508 on the loosing end, btw comes may or june 2012, u can add a camry into it, this time sure camry wins hand down,

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post Dec 18 2011, 03:45 PM

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well, who knows, what our beloved UMW gonna offer us? mana tahu, every discussion here, majority of them go get a camry after all the hu hah here, camry best bet, safest car to buy, with no worries, but of course it is nothin compare to the other 3 models, anyway camry 2012 shall not be discussed here as it is does not exist in our market yet. At least a few things will change. Engine, and Gear box. thats all, the other goodies, probably UMW will strip them down and sell you more expensive than 508. Still you will see the large number on the roads. That's a fact. No matter how and what u do and say. a couple of things is definately on the camry as u mention. Bi xenon, good audio, STD navigation, cause it is already available, Sun roof i doubt UMW will have them fitted, Auto light and wiper i think this one they probably may give u. as for the 6 airbags, maybe they may give u 4 and make fuss out of it. haha, toyota, what u expect. expensive boring vehicle.
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hehe, you know what i mean...
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post Dec 28 2011, 09:32 AM

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they dont hate malaysians, they took this opportunity to rob your hard earn money, anyway malaysian car buyers are easy to satisfy, so they rip u off lah, unlike other country,

since then, forte came in, especially forte, it made many malaysian's think about the money spend on the car they buy, vios, vs forte. of course u have the usual hardcore who cannot accept reality that their beloved car company was sucking them all the time, giving them less specs, less enjoyment but only in return to give them a better value in the future.

so today buying a car need a lot of thnking, unlike the old days, vios or city. ai ya vios loh, today vios vs city, vs forte vs mazda 2 vs fiesta vs inspira vs god knows what ever coming out next year.

so there u go, too many selection makes many ppl realized what is the true value in their car, what they truly want, enjoyment, space, gadgets, reliability, power, or cheap nice cars, but there are no cheap and cheerful cars, hehe, jeremy clarkson's quote.

so think, and think and in the end buy proton,haha, what the heck.



Added on December 28, 2011, 9:39 am
QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Dec 27 2011, 04:08 PM)
Just returned after seeing the Kia Optima at Naza TTDI. They have a Pearl white unit there.

I must say that the design is really impressive. Very sporty and has that luxurious look. The rear legroom is very generous and 3 adults can easily sit comfortably at the back. But the dashboard seems a generation behind unlike the futuristic ones found on the Sonata and Elantra.

Most disappointing is the pricing which is too high for a 2.0L Korean make despite its gadgets. Most of the ppl at the showroom also said the same. Plus the car doesnt have any Navigation which should have been pretty standard for cars of this category.

No test drive unit available till about April/May 2012. But i think this car would be hard pressed to keep up with other similar makes. Its 165Hp and 198Nm loses out to the Peugeot 508's 156Hp and 240Nm torque. 0-100kmph acceleration for the Optima is 10.9 secs compared to 9.2 secs on the 508.

Plus im not sure of Kia has got the suspension setup to deal with the 18 inch rims. Ride comfort would surely suffer. The Peugeot 508 is finding that a real bother now.

Sadly, i think Naza screwed up this one with the pricing. After doing a great job with the Forte, they got too greedy and thought they could nail Malaysians with the 144K price tag. Soon they'll know that Malaysians aint dumb and gadgets/good looks alone wont get them the sale numbers. Really baffles me how they could price the Optima so close to the Sonata when everybody knows that the Sonata isnt doing as well as anticipated.

Many ppl would prefer to wait for the new Camry for that price range. Im sure Toyota will improve the specs on the upcoming Camry.
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sounds like u have made up your mind, hope u are right, toyota will improve, otherwise they are really screwed.

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post Dec 29 2011, 04:27 PM

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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Dec 29 2011, 01:28 PM)
Ill probably decide when i can get info bout the specs of the upcoming Malaysian Camry. Not sure how late that will be. But either way, even if i do go for the Optima, i surely wont settle for a 2011 unit. The loss in depreciation is too great to be ignored. Same goes for the 508. Ill wait for a 2012 model (which should come by March 2012). Hopefully by that time, we'll have more details bout the new Camry or any other models that might be launched that time.

Btw, im targetting a WWR number plate which should arrive by May/June 2012.
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looks like u have made up ur mind, no need me to tell u, hehe, still cannot let the T brand go away, hehe, anyhow i predict camry will come with keyless entry, dual vvti, dual zone aircond, auto light, gps optional, 4 airbags, and 5 speed gb and 6 speed for 2.5,
they my have a camry hybrid introduced,

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