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 Peugeot 508, Ford Mondeo or VW Passat?, 3 good cars, 1 choice

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post Oct 23 2011, 10:14 AM

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QUOTE(swissprecision @ Oct 23 2011, 09:46 AM)
Mondeo of course. Peugeot is still a problematic car and with Naza's rubbish back up service, you are better off with a Proton. Passat is abit pricey, but the weakest point is the dull design and a weak engine. Previous gen of Passat looked better and has a more premium feel.

Mondeo is fully engineered and designed in Europe to distance itself from Ford America - soft rubbish suspension with no steering feel.
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dont complain on naza after sales service, obviously you know nothing about ford SDAC, and VW is not any better.

so in terms of ASS (after sales service), its a tie, none particularly better, but sdac is definitely at the bottom of 3.
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post Oct 23 2011, 04:54 PM

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QUOTE(landlily98 @ Oct 23 2011, 04:19 PM)
funny, although most people voted for Mondeo, and many people out there will probably cheer about how good Mondeo is, but it doesn't translate into real sales figures in Malaysia..... sweat.gif

how often we see a Mondeo on the road? in KL, probably less often than seeing a Ferrari or a Porsche...

wondering why many people persuade other to venture into a particular car brand/model and when they themselves need a car, they get something else.....  sad.gif
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you are so right, there is only 1 mondeo in penang(including mainland), and its white colour.

i can see more panamera than mondeo in msia esp old klang road.
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post Oct 23 2011, 04:55 PM

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QUOTE(stimix @ Oct 23 2011, 01:01 PM)
Get Accord & Camry if you dunwan to be caught in no resale value and expensive maintenance
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yup, and you do not need to explain to your neighbour why you made that choice, lol biggrin.gif
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post Oct 23 2011, 08:40 PM

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QUOTE(kevin23 @ Oct 23 2011, 07:22 PM)
I will still take the VW for its reliability in Msian road conditions.

PUG 508 is a good car,but unfortunately somehow French cars dont stand the test of time well.

As for the Mondeo,no matter how good it is,nobody is gonna buy this car as it doesnt give the impression that its a good car and the FORD name is not that uplifting.
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lol. we can see old vw cars here, and we can see pug 306 or 405 here, so both aged alright.

got yourself a polo ? smile.gif
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post Nov 14 2011, 10:47 AM

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QUOTE(sleepy @ Nov 14 2011, 08:20 AM)
Accelerating to 50kmh-60kmh and slamming on the brakes as we ran out of road. For me I can feel the pull in the acceleration. Feels similar to accord 2.4. Which is why I say power wise its adequate. Nothing spectacular. Just adequate.
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you are right, 240nm torque is comparable to 2.4liter car. only HP is lower, but i would assume you're not looking for topspeed kind of guy smile.gif as in over 220km/h
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post Nov 14 2011, 03:45 PM

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QUOTE(m42 @ Nov 14 2011, 03:15 PM)
i think the peugeot would be perfect if only it had a dual clutch transmission also like the other two.
a dual clutch is more efficient than a normal torque converter..its also one of the most advanced transmissions you can get today
i would prefer my car to have the latest powertrain technology..

but then again, the mondeo does not have paddle shifters, which is a big no-no also.. so which is more important..paddle shifters or dual-clutch? hmm..
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actually, 6 speed auto is more reliable than dsg, in my opionion ( no need to flame)

try google DSG failure.

and actually peugeot is working on the dual clutch thingy also, but you know french, they take their time wink.gif

anyway, you dont need dsg in the big luxury car like this, because in a traffic jam, DSG is jerky, only while driving fast/racing, DSG Is best.

THats why mitsubishi and Nissan both has dual clutch on GTR and EVO X, but they offer CVT in their saloon car, lol.

i think for your request above, just get a golf GTI la biggrin.gif or passat CC la. becuase you are looking at them, and asking from ford and peugeot, lol.

like asking can i add steak in nasi goreng? tongue.gif

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post Nov 15 2011, 12:17 PM

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QUOTE(sleepy @ Nov 15 2011, 12:23 AM)
Was actually buying this car for my wedding, which is soon. Already told the sales person that I need the car by certain date, and yeah I was told it was do'able. But now? Hmm, doubt so.

Btw, your ferrari comparison is not that suitable in this case. Ferrari rushed their production, causing flaws here and there hence the fire. But my car is already there waiting for me, with my name and stuff on it.

Another thing, my argument wasnt about the car at all. It's been NASIM. All talk/promises and no delivery? As far as I know, people has been cancelling their order because they booked way before 18th Oct, which is the launch date. Early bird gets the worm? Definitely not in NASIM's dictionary.

I've also read in another forum, that due to KIA/Peugeot is actually under the same roof (NAZA), they're short of AP now, and gotta wait till 2012. Wow, the excuses of AP, duty etc etc. What next?
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you should just get T&H or VW

they never short of APs
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post Nov 15 2011, 01:05 PM

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QUOTE(sleepy @ Nov 15 2011, 12:41 PM)
Already had experienced t&h, but you sure about the VW part? As far as I know, VW's are imported from overseas as well. No need AP?
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they got lower volume (selling less car) than peugeot and kia . or vw they have better connection biggrin.gif

after naza former boss passed away, the sons always have AP problem biggrin.gif relationship not good enough with high level ppl i guess
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post Nov 15 2011, 01:55 PM

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QUOTE(Jim.tan @ Nov 15 2011, 01:51 PM)
rclxub.gif bro where you get this news from? LoL
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naza salesman lo, dunno he con me or not la, lol.
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post Nov 15 2011, 06:03 PM

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QUOTE(m42 @ Nov 15 2011, 05:35 PM)

alfa 159 is the sexiest.. but the rear seats are so small, not suitable as a d-segment family car, heck even less space than your average c-segment cars

if i were to drive alone, and dont give a damn about resale value and maintenace costs, i would take the 159 anytime..
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my fren who is driving a 147, spend more than rm15k on his 156 that he bought for 60k. and deeply in debt.

make sure you can afford a golf gti before you go buy this kind of alfa romeo. I mean, make sure you are rich enough.

but if you're rich enough, just skip it. alfitis is expensive, lol.
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post Dec 5 2011, 09:12 AM

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QUOTE(DesmondMiles @ Dec 5 2011, 02:30 AM)
Passat Design not very nice. Do Not Confuse Passat CC & Passat. Their Both On Different Classes Liao. Passat CC Around 260k Passat around 180k and their design are not the same. Of couse Passat CC is better and more stylish.

And Im Not Sure Bout This But Peugoet Salesman says ALL PEUGOET Cars & MPVs are Using The SAME ENGINE. Even u buy the 5008, 508, 308, 3008, the sporty one (forgot name) all using same engine. 1.6 Turbo (Feels Like 2.2) Didnt manage to test drive 508 cause car will be in Puchong Showroom 10+ December For A Limited Days.

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yea, the passat looks smaller than passat cc. and in the night the Rear LED design is a bit..special.

the peugeot most of the car now comes with 1.6turbo prince engine , the power very similar to 2.4liter. so they all shares the same advantages, and disadvantages. ^^
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post Dec 5 2011, 11:35 AM

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QUOTE(munky @ Dec 5 2011, 11:32 AM)
bro most cars service every 10,000 km now. Even inspira also
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no, even myvi also.
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post Dec 5 2011, 02:41 PM

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only honda is a little different on service interval biggrin.gif
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post Dec 11 2011, 06:07 PM

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QUOTE(rcracer @ Dec 11 2011, 04:25 PM)
this is true, problem europe has near perfect roads anywhere everywhere, even back roads are better than our best highways, that's why they can have much harder suspensions.

It's happening to all new conti cars, even the new ford focus
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if you watch topgear, you will realized the UK is full of pot hole.

there was an episode they were showing the PROTON SAGA ( yes, ours) are blown up, after went through a few potholes.

moon is rounder in other country, but not that round.

US road is very good, thats why they have muscle car, and jap's road is perfect, but not europe.
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post Dec 11 2011, 10:57 PM

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i still think european car is more tuned towards comfort.

try test drive one, and try go through speed bump without stopping.

and do it again with camry.

then we know whether japan/europe road are smooth or not.

i tested quite a number of times of 407 and 308, i found they can handle rubbish road better than jap car.

euro has so many village kind of road. japan is really urbanized.
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post Dec 28 2011, 02:22 PM

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yea, jap saks to the max.

go conti.

not vw/pug kind of conti, go bmw/mercs kind of conti!!



now it seems like the doomsday for jap car after audi designer jump ship to kia eh?

btw, i always thought Jap car isnt about beauty, safety or whatever? jap car is always about reliability, no?

only lexus are able to compete with conti cars.



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post Dec 28 2011, 02:31 PM

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in terms of reliability of those 3 vehicles, i guess for layman is arrange as below. YMMV


-VW
-Peugeot
-Ford.
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post Dec 28 2011, 02:45 PM

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QUOTE(teewan @ Dec 28 2011, 02:36 PM)
Hi, mind to share based on what you rate them such?

Reliability... I thought Ford has been such a reliable car in Europe.
Also Mondeo been in the market since like what... 07 or 08?

Perhaps after sales support wise, I agree with your ratings.
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ford is really successful in europe.

dealer and after sales is the main contributor.

ford ? well, you can do more research in the fomec forum.
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post Dec 29 2011, 02:06 PM

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QUOTE(kadajawi @ Dec 29 2011, 02:01 PM)
Great, so it will have the same performance as a 1.4 by VW laugh.gif
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and it will have 2 less parts to worry about biggrin.gif

like supercharger and turbocharger tongue.gif and both total up, should balance back the petrol bill and roadtax:D
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post Dec 29 2011, 05:17 PM

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QUOTE(kadajawi @ Dec 29 2011, 04:34 PM)
lol, true. But only if it fails. I wouldn't go for the 170 hp 1.4, that's a bit risky, but the 140 hp one seems well proven. And there are bigger cc engines with the same tech, so performance will be even better. Also can't beat how a turbocharged engine feels when driving it, unless you enjoy revving hard and high.

4 airbags would be extremely disappointing, that's what I expect from an a segment car. In the class of a Camry there must be at least 6 (the competition has them) or 7 airbags and esc.
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welcome to msia, which top spec camry 2.4 only has 2 airbags biggrin.gif

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