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 Peugeot 508, Ford Mondeo or VW Passat?, 3 good cars, 1 choice

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williamhltdudu
post Mar 30 2012, 08:47 PM

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Hi guys, I have been googling all over regarding the cars which m planning to get, earliest from June, latest by the end of this yr..

Am kinda confused between both Peugeot 508 and the Optima...

am really interested in which car cybermaster is getting..

And sleepy, have u found any problem with ur 508? and hows Naza's service so far?
williamhltdudu
post Mar 30 2012, 10:40 PM

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Oh... okie.. smile.gif
I dont know... I cant find much customer reviews of this car online since this car is not available in US, and hardly any europeans and other countries people buy the 1.6L petrol turbo-version..

Hav u heard if there is anything wrong technically wit this car? from ur friends or relatives? I can see u r pretty happy wit this car smile.gif

And I hope spcx and other members who has got this car to shed some info.. thx a lot smile.gif


PS: can u guys upload some photos of ur cars (interiorly and exterriorly)? Thx a lot smile.gif

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post Mar 31 2012, 01:13 PM

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Thanks sleepy for providing the info...

First of all, ur car looks awesome man!! congrates again smile.gifsmile.gif guess u must be really enjoyin ur ride..smile.gif

hmm... for ur point 1) premature failure of the timing chain tensioner... does it covered under the warranty during the warranty period? if not, how much would it cost to fix it?

Sorry, I dont know much about the engine stuff... sad.gif

Hav u urself come across wit any big trouble till now?

And Cybermaster, hav u booked th optima yet? I have all the worries u hav on 508 as well.. hav u tried to put two cars next to each other? from wat I feel, the 508 has more elegant feeling to it? and hows the suspension, body-roll and the steering of the optima compared to 508?
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post Mar 31 2012, 02:56 PM

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hmm... I dont knw, now m really stuck in between 2 cars:(

ok.. wat about the delivery time for the optima, do u know cybermaster?
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post Apr 1 2012, 02:01 PM

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Wow.. thx a lot sleepy, u hav sumed-up a gud list of spec comparison... really appreciated man smile.gif

Wait, just want to clarify, 508 doesnt hav memory seat? even for driver?
AND, 508 doesnt have even the reverse camera?? tats a bit of turn off sad.gifsad.gif

But the thing I LOVE in 508 is the premium and luxurious look of the interior, and esp the touch sensitive door handle.. smile.gifsmile.gif

And u said there are lights to illuminate the car's surroundings, where are the lights situated? is it like the Mercs, under each door tat lights up when u open the door? or is it like the puddle light from Mondeo?

I dont know, 508 looks more elegant to me... but again, I havent be able to see either car in person like I mentioned in the optima forum, am in oversea since the beginning of this yr, and will only be able to return back to m'sia by June-July period... I'll def take a look at both cars before making any decision.. and def more than one or two test drive each:)

And guys, may I know is there any new cars around Rm120-170k segment D or even well equipped SUV (like the sportage) launching by the end of 2012? or even in the beginnin of 2013?
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post Apr 1 2012, 10:35 PM

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Thx sleepy... I'll def take ur words into consideration smile.gif

Carpathia, may I know in which season and episode does top gear talk about 508?

One last question, wat is the most expensive repair or maintenance have u heard in 508? 5k? 20k?

And is it worth spending extra Rm27000 for 508 instead of optima? hmm.gif

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post Apr 1 2012, 11:38 PM

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Sleepy, I have one more question to ask u... I have seen the singapore car forum people complainin that when they shut the door, the roof rattles?? is it true? and they did mention tat they had experienced a lot of body noise from the car when traveling at high speed.. did tat ever happen to urs?
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post Apr 2 2012, 01:15 AM

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I think they meant the NVH(noise, vibration and harshness) gets a bit high and bad during high speed cruising...

I dont know why, but one guy (am not sure who is it or is he/she a SA from different company) mentioned that when shutting the door slightly hard, it sounds firm and nice, but then roof rattles when shutting the door slightly harder(I think he meant slamming the door hard or something)...

It sounds pretty nice as u said some hills even a 2.4L accord needs to shift to 1st gear, but the Turbo 1.6L 508 can manage with 3-4th gear.. smile.gifsmile.gif

Any other problems u heard so far regarding 508?

I really appreciated for all the feedbacks u hav provided regarding ur experiences on this car so far... thx a lot

Lastly, which age grp do u think mostly owns the 508 and the optima? I dont want to look weird driving the car as well tongue.gif laugh.gif

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post Apr 2 2012, 01:29 AM

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Wait, does K5 really has a more advanced suspension setup in compared to 508 as mentioned by sleepy?


Added on April 2, 2012, 2:44 amhmm... so its more like:
optima below and around 30yrs
vw for >55 yrs

508 - 35 - 50yrs?

Just asking..

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post Apr 2 2012, 12:12 PM

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sleepy - does K5 really has a more advanced suspension setup in compared to 508? like tha multi linked gas absorber?
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post Apr 2 2012, 03:03 PM

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How many 508 owners here hav a family? I mean, married?

I admit I love the quad-zone airconditionin, rear window privacy shades and automatic rear windscreen shade etc....
But here is the problem, am 25, single... so I dont think I'll be utilizing all these awesome functions anytime soon.. now I really doubt whether it is worth spending extra Rm27k for the touch sensitive door handles for keyless entry in my case... sad.gifsad.gifsad.gif
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post Apr 2 2012, 03:15 PM

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WOW!!! Congrate bro!!!! wish u a happy happy married life smile.gifsmile.gifsmile.gif
how does it feel to be a paired now? tongue.gif
And nice decoration by the way.. smile.gif and nice choose of the deco color, really suit the car smile.gif

wait manually operated? like u have to climb to the back seat and pull it up? I know the rear seat window shades are manually operated...


Added on April 2, 2012, 3:20 pmoh, by the way, I was lookin through the pic ur posted, I like the piano black finishing around the gear shift smile.gif

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post Apr 2 2012, 03:51 PM

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sure, I'll def test drive both cars whenever I can...

but still there are few bad things I dont like bout optima:
1) the quality I hav heard, is not as good as 508,
2) quite a lot of problem I hav heard from optima already
3) the interior is not as gud as 508

From the pic, I thought the 508 looks very elegant compared to optima... but then I found out actually length wise, they both are similar... so as of now, frankly speaking, in my mind, none them is superior to another...
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post Apr 2 2012, 04:07 PM

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am just a newbie entering the society la... between 3-6k la..
properties... not yet tongue.gif

u? cybermaster

Hope m not stepping into the wrong car category.. sweat.gif

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post Apr 2 2012, 04:33 PM

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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Apr 2 2012, 04:23 PM)
Bro, dont u think these 2 cars are a bit over the top for you? I think u should focus on buying properties. Cars are a losing commodity and as i mentioned on the Optima forum, if ure not earning at least RM8K per month and have at least 1 property, u should give this car a miss. Your time to own a d segment will come later. U still have your whole life ahead of you. Dont get caught up in all this hype.

Ive been earning a 5 figure salary since 2006 and driving a 2003 Vios 1.5E till today. I have 2 prime properties in KL and its only now in 2012 that im finally thinking of upgrading while looking for my 3rd property to invest.

No offence to you. Just my humble advice.
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quite an awesome life u hav now smile.gif rclxms.gif
Quite true la... but this is goin to be a present from my parents, they are goin to pay half and let me pay the rest la...
how old are u now?

Tats y hav u seen me asking around people's age ma... tat will indirectly tells which salary category this car belongs to (well, not 100% accurate though)...

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post Apr 2 2012, 05:14 PM

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Wow.. above 30 already getting 5 figure salary/mnth.. u've been workin hard smile.gif

but only one la... cause this is like a late 'graduation gift' from my parents... biggrin.gif rclxm9.gif

I dont know man, may be optima suits me better la, cause most owners of 508 are in their late 20s to 30s.... cry.gif

But lets see.... I still yet to test drive both cars... I'll make a definite decision after I have seen and drive both cars myself... thx for the help guys... esp sleepy for providing so much useful infos.. appreicated.. smile.gif notworthy.gif

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post Apr 3 2012, 06:21 PM

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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Apr 3 2012, 11:37 AM)
I started with 5 figures when i was <30.  biggrin.gif

Instead of a car, why dont u use that gift money and put downpayment for a property? Thats more worth than a car. Get a simple car but go for property. U wont regret. Ive already made more than 500K in the past 3 years in property appreciation.
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5 figure from <30yrs? well... it sounds successful... but to be honest, its quite rare in m'sia I guess...
As for property... hmm... my parents hav already planned it up properly (the one good thing when ur parents are still around tongue.gif )... I dont know much la... so far I know for penang, the house price had been dropping for at least the past 3-4 yrs already (am saying generally), dunno about KL... So instead my parents have been investing in NZ housing properties (they had made >NZD 1 mil in 6yrs in the appre., prices still raising plus the rents), and apart from few houses in m'sia they hav been invested a lot in palm oil (>100Acres) in m'sia... I think the most stable income in m'sia is the Palm oil land... Housing properties, m not so confident in it so far (may be because m hardly in m'sia)...

Its not like I can behave like a spoiled brat... I'll def try my best to earn my own money and my own investment, but in the meantime, I think I can also make use of some fun as well tongue.gif

Appreciated for ur advices smile.gif icon_rolleyes.gif
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post Apr 4 2012, 05:30 PM

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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Apr 4 2012, 09:07 AM)
Since your parents are successful, no reason why u cant be as well. Learn to stand on your own 2 feet. Being young is not an excuse. I started off earning just RM1,700 per month and i was also paying RM800 for my new Wira back then. Still i never took a cent from my parents not because they couldnt afford to give but because i didnt want to parade around in something which was not of my own hard work. If i couldnt afford something because of my lower earning capacity back then, i just didnt get it. Simple as that. Personally, i dont see why our parents should support us in any way once we start working.

If it was me in your shoes, i would rather drive a smaller Vios paid 100% by me rather than drive a much bigger car paid for by my parents.  You can see many young ppl in KL driving around in big cars. What do you think when u see them? Usually we say 'ya la he can drive that cuz his parents are rich' right? Most will feel envious but how many will have respect? And even if they did have respect, how much is it for you? I would rather drive something which ppl will say 'ya le he can drive that because he is successful in his career' cuz then the credit is mine alone. I know many wont agree but its a matter of philosophy.

I drove a Vios since 2003 and despite moving into the 5 figure bracket in 2006, i still chose to continue using my Vios till now. Yes i could have afforded a much bigger car. Even now i can easily afford to move into the big league of BMW, Audi, etc but i decided against it as cars are a losing commodity and i didnt think i am at that level yet.

Anyway, the choices you make are yours alone. All i hope is for you to make the correct ones. Cheers!
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But when it comes to calculation... I can giv a dp of 43888, then loan for 5-6yrs or may b 7, it'll come to around 1300-1700/mnth... think tats well within my salary limit.. I dont hav a family to support, to me I think this is ok smile.gif (the example I gave is, if I firmly reject my parent's offer, or use the 70k for investment purpose)

So ya, think all these comes to personal preferences smile.gif
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post Apr 4 2012, 08:00 PM

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I meant in penang island... heard a few cases of full section house wit carpark and all.. last time saw was like 800k nego which when we saw similar house just down the street from these ones in 2005-6 was like 1-1.1mil.. My parents are never interested in condos...only a few cases we hav seen, cause my parents hardly hav time, just like thrice in a yr, and usually less than one week each visit to penang..

As for the car... I still hav time to think about it, as of now, m plannin to buy.. but lets see la, even proton is comin out wit the perve (not sure how is it).. and if in the end I really want to invest everythin my parents gave and all my money in properties, there is always city or civic.. lol


Added on April 4, 2012, 8:06 pmAs for maintenance... I dont think it'll be a problem for 5k/mnth.. so far, I know the only must change thing about optima is the tires... other than tat, just regular service, and everything is like 200- maximum 600 each service.... other than tat is just the petrol smile.gif Anythin else I should add?


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post Apr 5 2012, 05:05 PM

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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Apr 5 2012, 01:47 PM)
Maintenance is not just restricted to regular servicing. Its also replacement of parts due to wear & tear. This is what car manufacturers do not show u. All of them have servicing schedules where they all claim its a few hundred bucks every time. But what they fail to tell you is the cost of spares.

In the case of Kia, if their parts are not durable (as in previous models), then ull end up replacing them more often and Kia isnt cheap. It will be worse for conti's.

Anybody can spend a few hundred bucks twice a year for servicing, but how many can afford changing other spare parts thru wear & tear?
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Lol!! tats y m tryin to minimize this kind of problem by goin through all the forums regarding the quality, chances of breakdown, and if there is any manufacture faults of the car... well, I can say so far so good...
This is one of the reason I may not takin the 508, history is too short (I meant, this car is not available in US, and hardly any european reviews of this car as well) sad.gif

Relax, I may be new to society, but not tat new to cars.. smile.gif

Thx for ur advice though smile.gif

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