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post Jun 28 2011, 11:42 AM, updated 15y ago

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Added on June 28, 2011, 11:45 amu misunderstood Kochin's meaning...it is not how much u saved..

it is no point to pray/gambling for prop price to drop. we shud instead sharpen our skills, improve our country/govt competitiveness and so everybody can afford to own many properties. just like Singaporean, Shanghainese etc,, almost everyone can own prop and some even rent out prop to foreigner/outsider etc. why? because they have good people and good govt. p/s: most shanghainese are previoously from other provinces (almost 2/3 of them), they became shanghai resident becos they work harder and earn more $. i also hope that kl can become a great metropolitan like shanghai..

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post Jun 28 2011, 12:20 PM

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has anyone has any opinion on the crash level base on the type of property IF property price does drop.
for example:
how severe for landed property price drop compare to high rise
how severe for large size high rise compare to small size high rise
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QUOTE(property101 @ Jun 28 2011, 01:20 PM)
has anyone has any opinion on the crash level base on the type of property IF property price does drop.
for example:
how severe for landed property price drop compare to high rise
how severe for large size high rise compare to small size high rise
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can refer back to 2008 property prices as reference.
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price of landed property are not going to drop within this 2 years based on supply demand. Still plenty of demand in the market now but for next 3 to 4yrs really hard to say . sweat.gif
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change of thread title..good one. laugh.gif

assuming the sharp increase started in 2009, assuming property boom and bust cycle is around 6 years, we might be looking at 2014.
those who have waited, you are only half way there, are you going to wait further or take the plunge ?

case study.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_property_bubble

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With the introduction of the single currency, interest rates were greatly reduced and those buying property were encouraged to borrow larger amounts of money. As prices continued upward financial institutions offered 100% loans. Newspapers carried advertising for properties urging people to get onto the property ladder as property was seen as a one way bet. In 2006 160,000 Irish people remained unemployed, 21% of all school leavers including those that completed the Leaving Certificate, were unemployed, the construction industry employed one eighth of the population, above the European average. Inflation was higher in Ireland than elsewhere.


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and the battle rages on.

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QUOTE(cranx @ Jun 28 2011, 01:00 PM)
change of thread title..good one.  laugh.gif

assuming the sharp increase started in 2009, assuming property boom and bust cycle is around 6 years, we might be looking at 2014.
those who have waited, you are only half way there, are you going to wait further or take the plunge ?

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Definitely wait. I bought my house in 2005 and was thinking of upgrading to a nicer home in 2010 so had a look at the prices then.
I was pleasantly surprised that my own home had appreciated by about 80%.

Then I had a look at potential places for upgrading and saw that the prices in those places also had increased by a similar margin.

After some thinking I decided it was not worth spending additional x amount to move to a nicer place, which I can use for many years for other things such as child's education, holidays, electronics, food, etc.

I don't mind staying in my current home as I did my research back then to pick a good one. I will definitely stay here unless prices come down in a big way again. It's simply not worth the extra money to upgrade from my current house.


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QUOTE(property101 @ Jun 28 2011, 01:20 PM)
has anyone has any opinion on the crash level base on the type of property IF property price does drop.
for example:
how severe for landed property price drop compare to high rise
how severe for large size high rise compare to small size high rise
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Lazy to search for the earlier published chart. I roughly remember that during year 1997, the high rise price averagely dropped 15% and landed properties depending on type of property whether terrace, semi-D or bungalow(5% to 12%) but the terrace dropped the least. However this time around, it is my own observation that more people goes into property compared to year 1997. Back then, lots of people invested in the share market, interest rates much higher and more bonus for the employees.

During a severe crash, bank would be overcompensated and there would be credit crunch. The market is out of cash and people cannot get loan to finance their purchase. A panic sales in the market could cost the price to drop well below the price before the boom period. At that time, we could be talking about more than 20%.

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QUOTE(prody @ Jun 28 2011, 01:26 PM)
Definitely wait. I bought my house in 2005 and was thinking of upgrading to a nicer home in 2010 so had a look at the prices then.
I was pleasantly surprised that my own home had appreciated by about 80%.

Then I had a look at potential places for upgrading and saw that the prices in those places also had increased by a similar margin.

After some thinking I decided it was not worth spending additional x amount to move to a nicer place, which I can use for many years for other things such as child's education, holidays, electronics, food, etc.

I don't mind staying in my current home as I did my research back then to pick a good one. I will definitely stay here unless prices come down in a big way again. It's simply not worth the extra money to upgrade from my current house.
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if the price drop due to poor economy, yr current prop also drop. r u sure u still want to upgrade as u need to folk out more $ while your job is uncertain?
like i said, why u all hope for a crash? if we work harder/smarter , we earn more and we can upgrade to a better home. since everyone earn more, the economy is good, more investments pouring and more opp for all. and i like to compare to shanghai again. the ppl there are happy and many upgrade to better home, as they know they will earn more due to their high compentency in workplace and many mnc are coming to hire more ppl to expand biz. now china looking to expand internal consumption, old day=made in china, now= made for china. if u stay in sh long enough u will know how efficient is their ppl. from sales coordinator up to managers. also their courier service can reach within a day in sh. i found even sg also cant match...no one in sh expect their doc to arrive the next day...cant imagine how hard working the chinese ppl.. bank are open til late nite, all bank open on weekend.. inter bank giro transfer can reach next hour, outstation /province giro can reach few hours later. how we to compete ??
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QUOTE(cranx @ Jun 28 2011, 02:00 PM)
change of thread title..good one.  laugh.gif

assuming the sharp increase started in 2009, assuming property boom and bust cycle is around 6 years, we might be looking at 2014.
those who have waited, you are only half way there, are you going to wait further or take the plunge ?

case study.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_property_bubble
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It's interesting to know that Irish property tripled during year 2000 to 2006.

A quick calculation reviews that for a combined household income of RM20,000, interest rates of 4%, 30 years repayment. The family could be able to get a loan of RM2,000,000 with a monthly repayment of RM10,000 per month. The question is how many household has got a combined income of RM20,000? Since many has jumped into the property market, the eligibility to get loan would be less now.

Therefore, the ultimate limit of house price in our market could be less than RM2,000,000. And for those who own multiple houses, they might have reached their own limit. Who is going to afford those houses if the house price going up further? As reported in the newspaper, our property market is mainly supported by locals. What then is our buying capacity? If our income is say half of Irish, then our house price limit would be?


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QUOTE(lucerne @ Jun 28 2011, 01:57 PM)
if the price drop due to poor economy, yr current prop also drop. r u sure u still want to upgrade as u need to folk out more $ while your job is uncertain?
like i said, why u all hope for a crash?  if we work harder/smarter , we earn more and we can upgrade to a better home. since everyone earn more, the economy is good, more investments pouring and more opp for all.  and i like to compare to shanghai again. the ppl there are happy and many upgrade to better home, as they know they will earn more due to their high compentency in workplace and many mnc are coming to hire more ppl to expand biz. now china looking to expand internal consumption, old day=made in china, now= made for china. if u stay in sh long enough u will know how efficient is their ppl. from sales coordinator up to managers.  also their courier service can reach within a day in sh. i found even sg also cant match...no one in sh expect their doc to arrive the next day...cant imagine how hard working the chinese ppl.. bank are open til late nite, all bank open on weekend.. inter bank giro transfer can reach next hour, outstation /province giro can reach few hours later. how we to compete ??
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I think it will be good if we have hard data to look at... Does anyone know where we can get hard data on housing price index for the past 20 years? We will be able to see the peaks and troughs... At least, it will provide indicative percentage... I remember reading a report that there has been no "trough" for the past 10 years...
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QUOTE(Chronox @ Jun 28 2011, 03:26 PM)
I think it will be good if we have hard data to look at...  Does anyone know where we can get hard data on housing price index for the past 20 years?  We will be able to see the peaks and troughs...  At least, it will provide indicative percentage... I remember reading a report that there has been no "trough" for the past 10 years...
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QUOTE(Chronox @ Jun 28 2011, 02:26 PM)
I think it will be good if we have hard data to look at...  Does anyone know where we can get hard data on housing price index for the past 20 years?  We will be able to see the peaks and troughs...  At least, it will provide indicative percentage... I remember reading a report that there has been no "trough" for the past 10 years...
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QUOTE(lucerne @ Jun 28 2011, 01:57 PM)
if the price drop due to poor economy, yr current prop also drop. r u sure u still want to upgrade as u need to folk out more $ while your job is uncertain?
like i said, why u all hope for a crash?  if we work harder/smarter , we earn more and we can upgrade to a better home. since everyone earn more, the economy is good, more investments pouring and more opp for all.  and i like to compare to shanghai again. the ppl there are happy and many upgrade to better home, as they know they will earn more due to their high compentency in workplace and many mnc are coming to hire more ppl to expand biz. now china looking to expand internal consumption, old day=made in china, now= made for china. if u stay in sh long enough u will know how efficient is their ppl. from sales coordinator up to managers.  also their courier service can reach within a day in sh. i found even sg also cant match...no one in sh expect their doc to arrive the next day...cant imagine how hard working the chinese ppl.. bank are open til late nite, all bank open on weekend.. inter bank giro transfer can reach next hour, outstation /province giro can reach few hours later. how we to compete ??
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If both prices drop in similar matter it will be cheaper for me to upgrade.
Of course if my job is uncertain I won't upgrade. smile.gif
My motto is more like "work to live" instead of "live to work" so I won't go working harder just to give some developer more profits.
I will only upgrade my home if I feel prices are normalized and my job is secure.

A crash is not necessary, but I do wish that the current trend of a slow drop in property prices in Malaysia continues and that the drop in property prices also starts in Klang Valley. Property bubbles are not good for the economy.





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Just prediction only ya.....

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QUOTE(sampool @ Jun 28 2011, 02:38 PM)
Just prediction only ya.....
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Waaa... What a prediction!!! I don't think it will drop so dramatically...
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QUOTE(Chronox @ Jun 28 2011, 03:55 PM)
Waaa... What a prediction!!!  I don't think it will drop so dramatically...
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The longer the bull, the sharper the drop. Also, the longer the bull run, the closer it will fall. Just hope thing doesn't go irrational for too long, otherwise, it is bound to plunge. ask yourself, how many people afford to pay more than RM2k instalment per month for long term? how much can one save with so much commitment? i pay 26% tax in malaysia but think it's tough to commit houses over RM700k. i foresee lot of "prime property" for auction in not too distant future.
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Added on June 28, 2011, 3:09 pm
QUOTE(sampool @ Jun 28 2011, 02:38 PM)
Just prediction only ya.....
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your prediction will scare a lot of people..LOL


Worse than 1998

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QUOTE(Chronox @ Jun 28 2011, 03:55 PM)
Waaa... What a prediction!!!  I don't think it will drop so dramatically...
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Although it looks dramatic but it is equivalent about 30%++ dropping only.

RM600,000 link house drop to RM420,000, not do dramatic if we look at it this way, right?


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your prediction will scare a lot of people..LOL
Worse than 1998
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If it comes, it's going to be worst than 1998.

Year 1998 was not a property crash. It's an economy slow down that affected the house price.

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QUOTE(GangHo @ Jun 28 2011, 03:09 PM)
Although it looks dramatic but it is equivalent about 30%++ dropping only.

RM600,000 link house drop to RM420,000, not do dramatic if we look at it this way, right?
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600k drop to 420k is not dramatic? blink.gif

What do you expect?
Drop to 300K? 250k, 200k?

1997 could be the biggest crisis in our life time if look back.
And economy situation now is far better off the 1997 condition.

Something once go up may not go back to origin state anymore, although it may drop due to correction, over-shooting previously.
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Do you expect to pump petrol at Rm1.10 per litre again like old day?
Factory operators get Rm500-600 per month?
A bowl of mee cost you Rm2 like 90's time?

The realistic expectation to see properties price drop more than 30%, while inflation threat looming around, is not a realistic expectation.
Unless we are heading to deflation, may be yes, but we are facing inflation problem now, instead of deflation.


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QUOTE(GangHo @ Jun 28 2011, 03:09 PM)
If it comes, it's going to be worst than 1998.

Year 1998 was not a property crash. It's an economy slow down that affected the house price.
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It was not a economy slowdown, but economy crisis!
We were talking of potential banks went under at that time.

Do you know PBB share price was only Rm0.88?
CIMB was Rm1.80?

It was severe, not economy slowdown.


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QUOTE(cherroy @ Jun 28 2011, 04:17 PM)
600k drop to 420k is not dramatic?  blink.gif

What do you expect?
Drop to 300K? 250k, 200k?

1997 could be the biggest crisis in our life time if look back.
And economy situation now is far better off the 1997 condition.

Something once go up may not go back to origin state anymore, although it may drop due to correction, over-shooting previously.
eg.
Do you expect to pump petrol at Rm1.10 per litre again like old day?
Factory operators get Rm500-600 per month?
A bowl of mee cost you Rm2 like 90's time?

The realistic expectation to see properties price drop more than 30%, while inflation threat looming around, is not a realistic expectation.
Unless we are heading to deflation, may be yes, but we are facing inflation problem now, instead of deflation.


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It was not a economy slowdown, but economy crisis!
We were talking of potential banks went under at that time.

Do you know PBB share price was only Rm0.88?
CIMB was Rm1.80?

It was severe, not economy slowdown.
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QUOTE(cherroy @ Jun 28 2011, 04:17 PM)
600k drop to 420k is not dramatic?   blink.gif

What do you expect?
Drop to 300K? 250k, 200k?

1997 could be the biggest crisis in our life time if look back.
And economy situation now is far better off the 1997 condition.

Something once go up may not go back to origin state anymore, although it may drop due to correction, over-shooting previously.
eg.
Do you expect to pump petrol at Rm1.10 per litre again like old day?
Factory operators get Rm500-600 per month?
A bowl of mee cost you Rm2 like 90's time?

The realistic expectation to see properties price drop more than 30%, while inflation threat looming around, is not a realistic expectation.
Unless we are heading to deflation, may be yes, but we are facing inflation problem now, instead of deflation.


Added on June 28, 2011, 3:19 pm

It was not a economy slowdown, but economy crisis!
We were talking of potential banks went under at that time.

Do you know PBB share price was only Rm0.88?
CIMB was Rm1.80?

It was severe, not economy slowdown.
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You are right, it's economic crisis I stand corrected. The point is it is not triggered by property market.

You are also right to say that there is no reverse in inflation, this is evident in history. Lots of news reports in malaysia has some how reached the conclusion that material price increase in not the cause of property price increase.

Stagflation --> High inflation + Stagnation would definitely trigger the total collapse of the economy and then the depreciation in house price. With our national debts running high, it would suicidal to have high profile projects at the peak of inflation. When the oil price drops back, our revenue would be reduced, however material price stays, would we continue with our mega projects?

And the price drop, i didn't say it is not dramatic.... i said it is not so dramatic as it looks......

However, since property price has appreciated more than 30% in lots of area in KV. It is possible for the property price to drop 30% and this is evident in many parts of the world.

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it will be foolish to assume that if property price drop by 30% and economy is still secure.
i'll be damn worried about my job if that happens.

as the old saying goes, be careful what you wish for!
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many thing is out of our control... at least we are prepared.
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QUOTE(kochin @ Jun 28 2011, 04:28 PM)
it will be foolish to assume that if property price drop by 30% and economy is still secure.
i'll be damn worried about my job if that happens.

as the old saying goes, be careful what you wish for!
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Dear Kochin,

It is my humble opinion that the current world economy is not strong as we reckon it to be. In fact it is rather fragile and a wrong move would subject the global economy to severe down turn.

While we all pray and hope that it would turn out to be good. Let's also embrace and be prepared for whatever that is coming.

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QUOTE(GangHo @ Jun 28 2011, 03:31 PM)
Dear Kochin,

It is my humble opinion that the current world economy is not strong as we reckon it to be. In fact it is rather fragile and a wrong move would subject the global economy to severe down turn.

While we all pray and hope that it would turn out to be good. Let's also embrace and be prepared for whatever that is coming.
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Dear GangHo,
I fully understand that and always practise prudent matters for my purchases. But I realised a lot of people are simply praying for property price drop without realising the implications of it. At the same time, it also astounds me the number of people who are really clueless to property purchases. There is a big bunch of people buying up properties without knowing anything at all the whole mechanism of it.
Some even claim that buying DIBS is risk free because if project abandon, no need to pay anything??!!! I am really both shock and amazed by the guts of these people signing up their lifes without knowing what they are really signing on for.
As I said before, on one hand, I hope there is property prices correction (not drop), and the other hand, I hope it escalate much further (since Malaysia is already a big laggard compared to the neighbours).
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QUOTE(kochin @ Jun 28 2011, 04:45 PM)
Dear GangHo,
I fully understand that and always practise prudent matters for my purchases. But I realised a lot of people are simply praying for property price drop without realising the implications of it. At the same time, it also astounds me the number of people who are really clueless to property purchases. There is a big bunch of people buying up properties without knowing anything at all the whole mechanism of it.
Some even claim that buying DIBS is risk free because if project abandon, no need to pay anything??!!! I am really both shock and amazed by the guts of these people signing up their lifes without knowing what they are really signing on for.
As I said before, on one hand, I hope there is property prices correction (not drop), and the other hand, I hope it escalate much further (since Malaysia is already a big laggard compared to the neighbours).
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I also hope and pray that the house price will go up as I do have interest in property as well.

However, I sincerely do not wish that all these appreciation is at the expense of the possible economy collapse and later lots of people are caught in between.

Still remember how my friend wishes to use my name to borrow money from the bank to solve his livelihood problem.

The next thing is the fact about global economy, American,Europe and Japan economy now all facing problems. We have to be careful.
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everyone also wanted to add prop into their investment porfolia.... this is the consequenes loh... where got good investment got ppl buying like crazy similar at pasar malam one...
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My brother bought his d/s hse in DJ in 1986 for 196k. Today it is worth about 700k to 750k. Annual appreciation is abt 6%.

In prime areas, much as we want prices to drop, I think it is only wishful thinking. Prices increased so much, due to inflation. Much as we lament abt very low income, there are alot of ppl who are paid very well. I recently interviewd few candidates for managers post, and mind you, people are are below 35 can be earning an annual package of 200k to 300k. Malaysian high savings rate, meam alot of aunty and uncle have stashed alot of $$$, and due to inflation, and rising prices, people are grabbing hses.

A superlink in wah, so far away from Klang valley, also recently launched for 600k to 700k. How can u expect prices for SS2 or Damansara Jaya to come down? Impossible!!!

Land is scarce. People taste have changed. People who have money, are not just looking for a roof over their head. They want good neigbourhood, good address, etc. Therefore, prime areas like Mutiara Damansara or Bandar utama, and the likes, will hold their prices well.

Landed properties, due to low rental yields, are less of a target for speculators. People buy for own stay, or keep for children. So, if supply is under control, prices cannot have freefall. In 2009, my niece wanted to buy a hse, but want to wait for cheap sale. Good thing she got smart and bought sthg.

In 1997, prices dropped badly, because of high interest rates. Today, at BLR- 2% (some even BLR-2.4%) and long tenures (in the 80s, tenure is only 10 years to 15 max) of up to 45 years, property bubble will not burst. A RM1 million loan, only need RM4,200 to service. Back in 2000, the same loan due to a lower tenur, will need more than 10k a month to service loan instalments.

If need a house, dont wait!!!
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Less target for speculators?

take a look at SS24 aka Tmn Megah. Back in 2008, that 30+ year old house cost only RM 4XXk and now it has jumped 100%. One of my neighbour wanted to sell her house for RM720k and her agent managed to sell for RM840k sweat.gif
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QUOTE(nairud @ Jun 28 2011, 05:26 PM)
Less target for speculators?

take a look at SS24 aka Tmn Megah. Back in 2008, that 30+ year old house cost only RM 4XXk and now it has jumped 100%. One of my neighbour wanted to sell her house for RM720k and her agent managed to sell for RM840k sweat.gif
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is it corner lot? wah then u also rich loh... ur neigbour mah...
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Check out this news:

http://biz.thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?f...1&if_height=758

Due to high inflation, economists expect interest rate to be increased by about 25 basis points. Effectively, you will be paying slightly more every month for your housing loan repayment...

If interest rate keeps on going up, it may reach a level where people will not be able to afford repayment, and start defaulting. That's when people start force selling, increasing supply in the market. When supply increases, price is pushed down. This will happen if Bank Negara keeps increasing interest rate, but I am sure they are smart enough to increase to a "sustainable" level.

I think if you bought a property at a "strategic" and "scarce" location, such as PJ area, you will be safe, because supply is "scarce" anyway.
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is it corner lot? wah then u also rich loh... ur neigbour mah...
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did i sense sarcasm?
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I'm currently renting there for 2 years plus already.

when i rented there from 2008, it was 400k+ and being a fool i said to ppl who wanna buy a 30+ year old house for 400+K? and now look at the price LOL

and no, that unit is not a corner lot
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I'm currently renting there for 2 years plus already.

when i rented there from 2008, it was 400k+ and being a fool i said to ppl who wanna buy a 30+ year old house for 400+K? and now look at the price LOL

and no, that unit is not a corner lot
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last i check 1.5k, now i'm not sure since i''ve just extended my contract for another 2 years.
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Thks for sharing lizziewong. My comments in red.

QUOTE(lizziewong @ Jun 28 2011, 04:19 PM)
My brother bought his d/s hse in DJ in 1986 for 196k.   Today it is worth about 700k to 750k.   Annual appreciation is abt 6%.  

DJ d/s if remember correctly in 2007/2008 ~RM4xx. So 3-4 yrs ago at this time your bro must be complaining appreciation less than 4%. Now everybody making hoohaa  must buy properties  drool.gif


In prime areas, much as we want prices to drop, I think it is only wishful thinking.   Prices increased so much, due to inflation.  Much as we lament abt very low income, there are alot of ppl who are paid very well.  I recently interviewd few candidates for managers post, and mind you, people are are below 35 can be earning an annual package of 200k to 300k.  Malaysian high savings rate, meam alot of aunty and uncle have stashed alot of $$$, and due to inflation, and rising prices, people are grabbing hses.

A superlink in wah, so far away from Klang valley, also recently launched for 600k to 700k.  How can u expect prices for SS2 or Damansara Jaya to come down?  Impossible!!!
Agree to some extend. Mature area most owners already paid full, they are not desperate to sell. Unless got into financial problem, may be during downturn. If give discount 10% below market most gone within a week. Only buyers desperate to buy. Bear in mind SS2/DJ mostly are not gated, tat -ve point. +ve points are old hse larger that d/s in new area eg. MD. So price should be flatten aft the recent hike


Land is scarce.  People taste have changed. People who have money, are not just looking for a roof over their head.  They want good neigbourhood, good address, etc.  Therefore, prime areas like Mutiara Damansara or Bandar utama, and the likes, will hold their prices well.

Landed properties, due to low rental yields, are less of a target for speculators.   People buy for own stay, or keep for children.  So, if supply is under control, prices cannot have freefall.  In 2009, my niece wanted to buy a hse, but want to wait for cheap sale.  Good thing she got smart and bought sthg.

In 1997, prices dropped badly, because of high interest rates.  Today, at BLR- 2% (some even BLR-2.4%) and long tenures (in the 80s, tenure is only 10 years to 15 max) of up to 45 years, property bubble will not burst.      A RM1 million loan, only need RM4,200 to service.  Back in 2000, the same loan due to a lower tenur, will need more than 10k a month to service loan instalments.

Do share more on your experience in 1997 on local property. As far as I know (limited knowledge cause overseas), residential properties didn't dropped badly at matured area like BU. Understand shophouses in SS2 highest 1.6M/or 2.4M? plunged below 900k within few mths if not mistaken reading from one article. Friend who bought Riana Green condo in 1996 sold slightly higher price couple yrs later only complained abt the >10% interest rate. Didn't mentioned abt price dropping. Remembered he mentioned aunties/uncles snatching buying like fish market. Sibling who bought new Sunway D'sara d/s for ~390k in 1996/1997 got a rebate cash back of nearly 20% discount of $70k in the coming months. Wat an gain during crisis. Sunway the best developer  notworthy.gif .


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last i check 1.5k, now i'm not sure since i''ve just extended my contract for another 2 years.
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I saw from other property forums, that some of the forumers were told to complete their loan soonest as possible as there might be a new policy coming up
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News in The Star newspaper today. I think the first time house buyer will wait for this to launch since it is only eligible for 1st time buyer. New property launches may get affected by this news, coz most of the 1st time buyer will wait and see... hmm.gif
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News in The Star newspaper today. I think the first time house buyer will wait for this to launch since it is only eligible for 1st time buyer.  New property launches may get affected by this news, coz most of the 1st time buyer will wait and see...  hmm.gif
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News in The Star newspaper today. I think the first time house buyer will wait for this to launch since it is only eligible for 1st time buyer.  New property launches may get affected by this news, coz most of the 1st time buyer will wait and see...  hmm.gif
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Malaysia equivalent of HDB? Hmmm...

I wonder what impact this will have on the existing supply of homes. The middle income will probably go for this scheme, instead of buying those that are highly priced now. Will the existing home prices drop as demand slows?
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Malaysia equivalent of HDB?  Hmmm...

I wonder what impact this will have on the existing supply of homes.  The middle income will probably go for this scheme, instead of buying those that are highly priced now.  Will the existing home prices drop as demand slows?
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but problem is middle income most probably have vested already.
same like the 50% stamp duty thingy, only first timer allowed.
implementation is key and i do not have high hopes on it.
and very much depends on the product roll out in terms of both quantity and location.
might take several more years for it to materialise. and by then, who knows what are the changes again.
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possible this scenario in bolehsia?

lots of them built all over kv
a good chunk gets taken by cronies and pretenders
rental 1k max

good alternative for those renting now?
add pressure to exisitng condo rental?
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News in The Star newspaper today. I think the first time house buyer will wait for this to launch since it is only eligible for 1st time buyer.  New property launches may get affected by this news, coz most of the 1st time buyer will wait and see...  hmm.gif
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Folks,

Let's assume this is true and going to be implemented. 300K for 1,000 square feet = $300 per square feet for condo...

How will this compare to

A) Other condo in KL??

B) What is the pricing range for Double Store Link at the 1,000 to 1,500 square feet range??

Thanks...

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220k is bare unit and 300k with basis fitting eg tiles, toilet etc, if true then price is no diff from the normal condo/apt
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220k is bare unit and 300k with basis fitting eg tiles, toilet etc, if true then price is no diff from the normal condo/apt
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agreed ... as the current market price for non hot market property are similar to the range ...
hell ... i prefer get an apartment near pandan which is cheaper if its flat condition with 3 rooms ...
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News in The Star newspaper today. I think the first time house buyer will wait for this to launch since it is only eligible for 1st time buyer.  New property launches may get affected by this news, coz most of the 1st time buyer will wait and see...  hmm.gif
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thanks for sharing.
wondering what is the classification of middle class? between RM3000 ~ RM6000?

what about those earning below RM3000, are they allowed to buy middle class homes? or they must go for low class homes? hmm.gif
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News in The Star newspaper today. I think the first time house buyer will wait for this to launch since it is only eligible for 1st time buyer.  New property launches may get affected by this news, coz most of the 1st time buyer will wait and see...  hmm.gif
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Haha...300psf .....there is no different if i buy apartment/condo from the market.....let said eg. new launch like OUG Parklane and subsale like OG height. All this condo in the hot place.

Unless gov offer lower interest rate, DIBS, full renovated and move in condition.....there is different story......moreover the location oso important.
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A lot of questions left unanswered:-

i. Is this pre GE gimmick?

ii. Is this like low/mid cost housing scheme, built by gomen (SPNB or wat) like Sg HDB? Don't tell us hangat hangat tahi ayam only one time thingy

iii. 220k-300k? Where is the location? If locate in Rawang, Bukit Beruntung, Semenyih, Sepang, certainly not cheap.

iv. Does it incl. carpark? Extra cost for rental? Dont tell rakyat to park at road side kena saman harass day and nite.

v. Does it involve GLCs/private developers? Are they doing charity? Dont say contra land scratching each other back project as GE coming to town thingy

vi. How many units per block? Anything above 400 units served by lifts that cost above $250 psf is a con job.

vii. Income below $6000? Then husband get one, wifi get one, one family gets 2, cronies ali baba gets more cause their sons/daughters babies get one each, certainly many loop holes.

ix. Back to item iii. Where is the location? Dont say formal dumping site like da one near Subang. Ignorant uncles aunties sapu all. Now desperate to dispose off. Heard toyo cronies. Lagi cialat liau.

x. Blah blah pls fill in the blanks ...

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QUOTE(lucerne @ Jun 29 2011, 12:25 PM)
220k is bare unit and 300k with basis fitting eg tiles, toilet etc, if true then price is no diff from the normal condo/apt
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location dunno will be the one announced the other day near the old sg besi airport?? it that is, then the location is good. nod.gif
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QUOTE(Bobby C @ Jun 29 2011, 01:25 PM)
i. Is this pre GE gimmick?

sure it is - 100% loan for rm300psf right after millions spent in speech to young to "defend putrajaya".
unless location is good-good, 300psf isn't cheap, is it?
secondary objective may be to keep construction going - a major plank now to keep gdp going.

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I remember PM announce last week the location will be in Sungai Besi, the current TUDM airbase
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Sungai Besi, the current TUDM airbase is freehold or leasehold land?
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I bought apartment in puchong 2 years back for own stay. I bought it from developer. so i stay in my new house for 1 year. The price of house goes up
around 50% in 2 years time. Do i need to rush to get landed property as the price in klang vally is goes up like nobody business.

Opt 1 - sell this house to buy landed property for 450k. [Not enough down payment] -

Opt2 - use saving money to invest other medium apartment such for
less than 200k for rental. Wait patiently another few years to
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** i kind a like my apartment.


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If this is same like HDB, must be with T&C cannot rent out unless with approval etc etc...
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Everyone BBB, Market up up up sharply,
once Crisis, then drop drop drop drastically.
people jump jump jump from their apartment.
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Everyone BBB, Market up up up sharply,
once Crisis, then drop drop drop drastically.
people jump jump jump from their apartment.
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Just come back from Singapore and believe that there will be no significant drop in property price in MY. We have lots of highly paid malaysians there to support current price. Cheers.
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Just come back from Singapore and believe that there will be no significant drop in property price in MY. We have lots of highly paid malaysians there to support current price. Cheers.
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how many highly paid msian in oversea (eg sg, sh, anz, ME etc)? some reported 1mil.
if every of htem buy ave prop, so 1mil x 3 = 3mil

what is total house in msia? 6mil?

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Added on June 30, 2011, 9:36 amsorry, average 3 prop per oversea msian

existing stock = 4.5mil , new supply /completion= 1.5mil, total 6mil???


Added on June 30, 2011, 9:40 amso if ave every year 3mil , then 20 years = 60mil units
oversea msian oni 5%.. but maybe they supported hi end prop then


Added on June 30, 2011, 9:43 amif really total units is 60mil, then every msian owned 2 units.

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QUOTE(lucerne @ Jun 30 2011, 09:34 AM)
how many highly paid msian in oversea (eg sg, sh, anz, ME etc)? some reported 1mil.
if every of htem buy ave prop, so 1mil x 3 = 3mil

what is total house in msia? 6mil?

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Added on June 30, 2011, 9:36 amsorry, average 3 prop per oversea msian

existing stock = 4.5mil , new supply /completion= 1.5mil, total 6mil???


Added on June 30, 2011, 9:40 amso if ave every year 3mil , then 20 years = 60mil units
oversea msian oni 5%.. but maybe they supported hi end prop then


Added on June 30, 2011, 9:43 amif really total units is 60mil, then every msian owned 2 units.
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Sorry, I have been checking the classified and iproperty to buy a landed property for my own stay - not for flipping. I notce that the price of the same proeprty that could be on the market for a couple of months, increase by at least 50k - 100k when marketed by a different agent. Now this is the same property. So if the property is marketed by two or three different agents at different stages in time, the agents just put up the price. How can you say then it is because of rising cost of building materials etc? The properties are either old properties (basic) or certainly were not in the process of being renovated when they were put up for sale. So I find the agents play a very significant role in jacking up the prices far beyong the actual market value of the property. Granted, they want to earn higher commission etc, etc - who does not want more $$$ but shouldn't there be some responsibility? How easy for them to raise the prices, and to raise the vendors' impression that the property is worth that much. It's fine when the proeprty is worth its value but more often than not, it is not. It is a very dangereous situation but sad to say nobody sees it or wants to believe it till it is too late. Everyone just adds fuel to the raging fire till it gets out of control. Just my observation.
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QUOTE(lucerne @ Jun 30 2011, 09:34 AM)
how many highly paid msian in oversea (eg sg, sh, anz, ME etc)? some reported 1mil.
if every of htem buy ave prop, so 1mil x 3 = 3mil

what is total house in msia? 6mil?

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Added on June 30, 2011, 9:36 amsorry, average 3 prop per oversea msian

existing stock = 4.5mil , new supply /completion= 1.5mil, total 6mil???


Added on June 30, 2011, 9:40 amso if ave every year 3mil , then 20 years = 60mil units
oversea msian oni 5%.. but maybe they supported hi end prop then


Added on June 30, 2011, 9:43 amif really total units is 60mil, then every msian owned 2 units.
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Are you saying that you expect all overseas Malaysians to buy 3 properties a year for the next 20 years?

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Just come back from Singapore and believe that there will be no significant drop in property price in MY. We have lots of highly paid malaysians there to support current price. Cheers.
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this is misleading .. yes a lot of them is there .. but i have 3 friends there and all have opted to stay and applied for the flats .. and at the price there .. can't really buy a lof of properties back in KL ...
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QUOTE(marcusboy @ Jun 30 2011, 11:08 AM)
Sorry, I have been checking the classified and iproperty to buy a landed property for my own stay - not for flipping.  I notce that the price of the same proeprty that could be on the market for a couple of months, increase by at least 50k - 100k when marketed by a different agent. Now this is the same property. So if the property is marketed by two or three different agents at different stages in time, the agents just put up the price. How can you say then it is because of rising cost of building materials etc? The properties are either old properties (basic) or certainly were not in the process of being renovated when they were put up for sale. So I find the agents play a very significant role in jacking up the prices far beyong the actual market value of the property. Granted, they want to earn higher commission etc, etc - who does not want more $$$ but shouldn't there be some responsibility? How easy for them to raise the prices, and to raise the vendors' impression that the property is worth that much. It's fine when the proeprty is worth its value but more often than not, it is not. It is a very dangereous situation but sad to say nobody sees it or wants to believe it till it is too late. Everyone just adds fuel to the raging fire till it gets out of control. Just my observation.
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if nearby new launch RM600psf and instant sold out, adjacent RM350psf older condo will shoot to atleast RM500psf.
new launch block B increase to RM650psf. the older condo will follow to atleast RM550psf.

not really agent's fault. if the demand is not there, no matter how high they priced it, there will be no takers.
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Its part and parcel of what I term, a property hunt scare.

Prices are increasingly rapidly, if you don't mortgage your life, you will miss your boat. This has been the same fear/ tag line for years. It is the good times!

BUT, this is the same line I heard from the US and the UK in the early 2000s onwards. Properties are the safest securest investment, it is always on the upward trend - reason: everyone needs a home. Yet in the recent 3 years, properties in both countries (prime mature areas apart) are either stagnant or still on the fall. I believe I read an article that US' prices are now in the 2003s.

Live modestly and do not over leverage. For most, debt has become a way of life - worryingly so.

Other than one mortgage to service, am debt free!
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Technically, property prices in the Klang Valley shouldn't drop much ...in most areas. Places like Mont Kiara are a little bit risky.

P/S: I can't imagine how jammed Sungei Besi is going to be, once that area is fully developed.
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Technically, property prices shouldn't be increasingly sharply:

a. Income has NOT increased rapidly - for the average Joe;

b. The cost of "leveraging" has (temporarily);

c. Unlike cosmopolitan cities like NY, Singapore, London, Shanghai, Beijing, Tokyo etc, KV/ Malaysia isn't experiencing a HUGE internal/ external migration towards to the cities/ KV - so where is the demand (to flip to, or to rent)?

d. Has the cost of materials really increased? FACT: most developers are announcing record/ healthy profits.

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Technically, property prices shouldn't be increasingly sharply:

a. Income has NOT increased rapidly - for the average Joe;

b. The cost of "leveraging" has (temporarily);

c. Unlike cosmopolitan cities like NY, Singapore, London, Shanghai, Beijing, Tokyo etc, KV/ Malaysia isn't experiencing a HUGE internal/ external migration towards to the cities/ KV - so where is the demand (to flip to, or to rent)?

d. Has the cost of materials really increased? FACT: most developers are announcing record/ healthy profits.

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QUOTE(terzam @ Jun 30 2011, 04:28 PM)
Technically, property prices shouldn't be increasingly sharply:

a. Income has NOT increased rapidly - for the average Joe;

b. The cost of "leveraging" has (temporarily);

c. Unlike cosmopolitan cities like NY, Singapore, London, Shanghai, Beijing, Tokyo etc, KV/ Malaysia isn't experiencing a HUGE internal/ external migration towards to the cities/ KV - so where is the demand (to flip to, or to rent)?

d. Has the cost of materials really increased? FACT: most developers are announcing record/ healthy profits.

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a) Average Joe income might not increase rapidly, but it doesn't mean those above average one, rich one, or those can apply leverage one. Remember worldwide currently is under some historical low interest rate aka plenty of cheap money around.

b) Cost of leveraging is cheap as stated in a)

c) Properties is about buyers and seller, demand can come from money instead of real people migration in it. There are many rich person do not mind buying a property and collect little rent, because many view it as an inflation hedging tool, especially with inflation threat is quite serious lately.
KV may not facing huge influx of people, but KV is still facing population growth. Somemore new family new house. We are experiencing that a house now hold less and less people due to smaller family, and family members are not living together like last time that you can have brother and sister family living in the same roof.

d) This still need to ask? shocking.gif
Oil price was USD30-40 prior before 2003-2004. Now USD 95.
Palm oil was around RM2000, now >Rm3000
Timber price has 2x if compared to 10 years ago.
Go out and check how rubber price surging, how labour shortage, difficulty and wages around.

Ya, fact, developers and company registered healthy profit, because the inflation cost is passing to the consumer/customer.
Just because inflation then developers must facing profit drop?

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Jul 1 2011, 12:08 AM)
a) Average Joe income might not increase rapidly, but it doesn't mean those above average one, rich one, or those can apply leverage one. Remember worldwide currently is under some historical low interest rate aka plenty of cheap money around.

<<I do not see it as cheap money, but as cheaper debt. To me, we're now playing 2 sorts of game, the chicken or musical chair game. When the sh*t hits the fan, it is the average joe who suffers the most. Money is not infinite.>>


b) Cost of leveraging is cheap as stated in a)

<<Cheap yes, but it is build on a house of cards>>

c) Properties is about buyers and seller, demand can come from money instead of real people migration in it. There are many rich person do not mind buying a property and collect little rent, because many view it as an inflation hedging tool, especially with inflation threat is quite serious lately.
KV may not facing huge influx of people, but KV is still facing population growth. Somemore new family new house. We are experiencing that a house now hold less and less people due to smaller family, and family members are not living together like last time that you can have brother and sister family living in the same roof.

<<Sounds logical and reasonable at first glance. All similar statements made in the pre sub prime crisis in the US and UK. KV is facing a population growth - maybe, BUT from which social strata? Unlike most Western countries, most of Malaysia's above average Joes have an eye to migrate. Plus, if Hong Kong, UK, US, Italy etc are of any indication, property costs will ultimately force family members to live together. Case in point, in the recent year alone, ONE house 3 Generations has been used as a marketing point.>>

d) This still need to ask?  shocking.gif
Oil price was USD30-40 prior before 2003-2004. Now USD 95.
Palm oil was around RM2000, now >Rm3000
Timber price has 2x if compared to 10 years ago.
Go out and check how rubber price surging, how labour shortage, difficulty and wages around.

<<Sure... O&G pays its employees well, and also experiencing record profits. So too for various plantations... When industries are experiencing record healthy profits, don't tell bs me on labour shortage etc, that's just crying WOLF!>>

Ya, fact, developers and company registered healthy profit, because the inflation cost is passing to the consumer/customer.
Just because inflation then developers must facing profit drop?
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<<With this explanation, this means developers profit are in line with M'sia's inflation rate? No freaking way! But of course, they do get away with it>>
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QUOTE(terzam @ Jul 1 2011, 01:05 AM)
Personal opinions, of course
<<With this explanation, this means developers profit are in line with M'sia's inflation rate? No freaking way! But of course, they do get away with it>>
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developers are gambling with raw material price increase in the next 3 yrs... so if developers made lot of profits mean they win in gamble (which the raw materials end up did not ate up their profits initially they anticipated raw x2, x3.. what if things became reverse, do the purchasers willing to top up $ or developers go bankrupt?


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QUOTE(cherroy @ Jul 1 2011, 12:08 AM)
We are experiencing that a house now hold less and less people due to smaller family, and family members are not living together like last time that you can have brother and sister family living in the same roof.
true, many of my unmarried fren are staying in 3 rooms condo, 4-5 rooms DSL or SD alone..imagine a family with 5 siblings.. parent one house, 5 siblings 5 houses. total 6 houses. and most of them also invest few prop for rental income.

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QUOTE(lucerne @ Jul 1 2011, 11:34 AM)
developers are gambling with raw material price increase in the next 3 yrs... so if developers made lot of profits mean they win in gamble (which the raw materials end up did not ate up their profits initially they anticipated raw x2, x3.. what if things became reverse, do the purchasers willing to top up $ or developers go bankrupt?
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developer will have no risk not meh ? i thought only contractor will have risk if the raw material price is increase ?
Developer tell contractor > ok.. this condo i will pay 100 mil.. can u build it ?
contractor > Hmm.. will be able to cover with some profits..
next month raw material go up 50% > the one kena will be contractor
am i wrong ?
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QUOTE(CKHong @ Jul 1 2011, 11:41 AM)
developer will have no risk not meh ? i thought only contractor will have risk if the raw material price is increase ?
Developer tell contractor > ok.. this condo i will pay 100 mil.. can u build it ? 
contractor  > Hmm.. will be able to cover with some profits..
next month raw material go up 50% >  the one kena will be contractor
am i wrong ?
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of coz all sub/main contractors will increase their bid price la. developers hv no choice to accept higher bid coz they also worried the main con went kaput. same to main con...the sub con can run away too.. they all need ot gamble a bit but not definitely based on today price la. it is not the same as those days where the raw prices are quite stable. they can not use the same mark up for now..more risks involved..
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QUOTE(CKHong @ Jul 1 2011, 11:41 AM)
developer will have no risk not meh ? i thought only contractor will have risk if the raw material price is increase ?
Developer tell contractor > ok.. this condo i will pay 100 mil.. can u build it ? 
contractor  > Hmm.. will be able to cover with some profits..
next month raw material go up 50% >  the one kena will be contractor
am i wrong ?
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when contractor cannot cover their cost, what do you think contractor will do? my guesses are contractor would:
1. ask more money from developer
2. reduce quality
3. run away
4. deliver anyway but make a lost

option 2, 3 would give developer very bad additional headache. after all, developer and contractor are honest business man (hopefully), they dont want to take unreasonable advantage on each other. option 4 is the least likely will happen for an obvious reason. my guess that most likely is 1(ask more money from developer) and developer will be willing to compromise as this is nobody's fault except rising material cost. any smart developer would have factored in the cost in the first place when selling the property.
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QUOTE(McLaren01 @ Jun 30 2011, 12:14 AM)
I bought apartment in puchong 2 years back for own stay. I bought it from developer. so i stay in my new house for 1 year. The price of house goes up
around 50% in 2 years time. Do i need to rush to get landed property as the price in klang vally is goes up like nobody business.

Opt 1 - sell this house to buy landed property for 450k. [Not enough down payment] -

Opt2 - use saving money to invest other medium apartment such for
          less than 200k for rental. Wait patiently another few years to
            buy landed property

** i kind a like my apartment.
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Anyone can give thier opinion?
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QUOTE(McLaren01 @ Jul 1 2011, 01:29 PM)
Anyone can give thier opinion?
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I think if you can get a landed unit if you know its not too overpriced. If it's overpriced for no reason, really.. don need to
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Anyone can give thier opinion?
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it depend on your needs , no need to follow others.
if u are single or just married, just stay condo is better option.

if u have kids and need more space /gardening/cycling etc then go for landed.

if u want to make some extra $, invest in stock will do.
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Heard the rumor about recession may be happen within 8-12 months... bank division was directed not "too aggressive" on lending...
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Heard the rumor about recession may be happen within 8-12 months... bank division was directed not "too aggressive" on lending...
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omg... how true is the recession.. sad.gif
if its true.. i duwan do job hopping first lur..
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QUOTE(noproblem @ Jul 1 2011, 09:58 PM)
Heard the rumor about recession may be happen within 8-12 months... bank division was directed not "too aggressive" on lending...
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Yes i heard after Raya


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QUOTE(CKHong @ Jul 1 2011, 11:43 PM)
omg... how true is the recession..  sad.gif
if its true.. i duwan do job hopping first lur..
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Not sure. If you have best friend work in malaysia bank, VP or above, deal with secured/unsecured loans you can check with them...

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QUOTE(noproblem @ Jul 1 2011, 10:58 PM)
Heard the rumor about recession may be happen within 8-12 months... bank division was directed not "too aggressive" on lending...
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The bank should do it moderately and in stages or else there would be a credit crunch. No cash in circulation. It will hurt our economy badly.


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QUOTE(noproblem @ Jul 1 2011, 09:58 PM)
Heard the rumor about recession may be happen within 8-12 months... bank division was directed not "too aggressive" on lending...
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There is no such thing of rumour of recession unless one has crystal ball that can see the future.

Bank are not too aggressive because they are concern of over-leveraging of household debt, as well as many leverage on rapid rise of properties price.

They just want to protect themselves or prevent themselves has too high NPL if there is slowdown in economy, also the SRR being raised which reduce liquidity of in banking system, which is expected to be raised further in the coming BNM policy meeting.
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Minnesota Government Shuts in Budget Fight
By MONICA DAVEY
Published: June 30, 2011

MINNEAPOLIS — Minnesota began what is expected to become the broadest shutdown of state services in its history early Friday, after Republicans and Democrats there failed to agree on how to solve the state’s budget woes in time for the new fiscal year.

And so, on the eve of a holiday weekend, residents were likely to find the state’s parks, historical sites and the Minnesota Zoo closed, hunting and fishing licenses no longer being issued, and that state’s lottery system and racetracks unavailable. Minnesota’s 84 major rest areas along highways were closed. Thousands of state employees were expected to be sent home without pay, and contractors were to be told to walk away from hundreds of road construction projects already underway.

Since early this year, politicians in St. Paul have been locked in a battle over how to work out an expected a $5 billion budget deficit under a divided government. Republicans, who took control of both chambers of the Legislature after elections last year, called for cuts and reining in spending to the $34 billion that the state expected to take in over the next two years. But Gov. Mark Dayton, a Democrat who was also elected in 2010, called for collecting more in income taxes from the very highest earners to spare cuts in services to the most vulnerable residents.

While private negotiations went on, day after day, and the Friday deadline approached, it seemed as though the argument had never really shifted much at all.

“This is a night of deep sorrow for me because I don’t want to see this shutdown occur,” Mr. Dayton told reporters late Thursday, not long before his spokeswoman confirmed that a shutdown of services had begun. “But I think there are basic principles and the well-being of millions of people in Minnesota that would be damaged not just for the next week or whatever long it takes, but the next two years and beyond with these kind of permanent cuts in personal care attendants and home health services and college tuition increases.”

Into the evening, both sides sought to sway public opinion on a shutdown that is certain to affect Minnesotans’ daily lives, even as protesters (demanding a solution to the impasse) gathered outside the Capitol. Republican lawmakers held what some described as "sit-ins" urging the governor to call a special session so some state services might be temporarily kept running, even if negotiations took longer. Democrats, meanwhile, accused the Republicans of “political theater” and called for compromise.

“I’m willing to compromise,” Mr. Dayton said. “I’m willing to meet halfway. But I’m not willing to give up what I believe I was elected by the people of Minnesota to do.”

For days, leaders on both sides have met under what Mr. Dayton’s spokeswoman described as a “cone of silence” about details of their progress. But by Thursday — a day before the new budget year was to begin — state workers were beginning to frantically prepare for a shutdown.

Numerous states’ new budget years begin on July 1, but Minnesota now finds in an unwanted spot: the rare state facing a shutdown, a prospect certain to bring political fallout and mounting tension. The last such standoff in Minnesota came under an entirely different set of leaders (including Tim Pawlenty, the former governor turned Republican presidential candidate) in 2005, but involved the shutdown of far fewer services and lasted a matter of days.

“It’s a very sad day for Minnesota,” said Lawrence R. Jacobs, a political scientist at the University of Minnesota, which is not expected to close. “It’s a state that had a well-earned reputation for being well governed, where, at the end of the day, politics were done in a fair and efficient manner. And it’s now on the cusp of ungovernability. There’s a new ethic here that compromise is weakness.”

The list of state services expected to close is lengthy: all sorts of state offices including dispatchers in the Twin Cities who monitor traffic jams and accidents and try to keep rush hours moving along. Certain crucial services will stay open, such as state patrol work, prison operations, courts, and schools.
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QUOTE(noproblem @ Jul 1 2011, 09:58 PM)
Heard the rumor about recession may be happen within 8-12 months... bank division was directed not "too aggressive" on lending...
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So did you put your money where your mouth is and sell everything already?
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So did you put your money where your mouth is and sell everything already?
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It is rumor.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rumor

Cherroy may be correct as what I heard they are advice not "too aggressive"... to be specified reduce loan repayment period...

Don't ask for memo/letters/etc... smile.gif
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So did you put your money where your mouth is and sell everything already?
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I have got myself prepared. Anything that come, I will face it head on and come out unscratched.
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QUOTE(noproblem @ Jul 3 2011, 02:05 PM)
It is rumor.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rumor

Cherroy may be correct as what I heard they are advice not "too aggressive"... to be specified reduce loan repayment period...

Don't ask for memo/letters/etc... smile.gif
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pls dun mix up economic rumor, political rumor and end of the world rumor. hehe... but.. never hear got ppl talk about tsunami rumor.... because tsunami come in sudden... once u hear the rumor, i doubt the ppl already death...

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QUOTE(keithcky @ Jul 2 2011, 12:14 AM)
Yes i heard after Raya
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should we cash out from stock market now? blink.gif
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May I say, property prices are getting back on track. No more going up as fast, or one direction. Only that in order to keep it affordable, I realized 2 things, getting very high density and the unit size also getting smaller.

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QUOTE(noproblem @ Jul 1 2011, 09:58 PM)
Heard the rumor about recession may be happen within 8-12 months... bank division was directed not "too aggressive" on lending...
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Heard the same too, challenging time ahead 2012-2013. Rumorreceived quite accurate as it came to past aft 2 wks (My import electricity from Sg). sweat.gif

Those who work in BNM should know what coming way ahead of commoners like us. Basically they are playing with ur money and my money. Tat's why how come market always UP prior to GE. Rakyat kena sodomized from behind again ar?

Anyway, just pray hard it will not happen. Else our paper profit might gone aft GE cry.gif


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QUOTE(CarmenTan @ Jul 4 2011, 12:30 PM)
May I say, property prices are getting back on track. No more going up as fast, or one direction. Only that in order to keep it affordable, I realized 2 things, getting very high density and the unit size also getting smaller.
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This one we already predicted 1 yr ago. Same price, smaller unit, psf double probably.

Hiya, just think like the developers/gomen, then u can predict what next, how they solve one prob and create another. Soon u see Potong coming out with "Smart' car mini version where 1 parking lot can park 2 cars. laugh.gif


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QUOTE(chubbyken @ Jul 4 2011, 12:55 PM)
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should we cash out from stock market now? blink.gif
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The funny thing is, when everybody expecting a crash, it will go up further. Then everybody buy and buy. Then it really crashes and everybody get caught. And this funny thing always happens.. rolleyes.gif
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Property sector was cut to 'neutral' at RHB

2011/07/04

Malaysia’s property sector was cut to “neutral” from “overweight” at RHB Research Institute Sdn Bhd, which said the expectation of strong property sales and earnings growth have already been factored into the share price.

“Sentiment will turn slightly negative and we expect demand starts to soften possibly next year,” Loong Kok Wen, an analyst at RHB, said in a report today. “The timing now is appropriate to be watchful on property stocks as we are now almost two years into the upcycle.” -- Bloomberg


Copyright © The New Straits Times Press (Malaysia) Berhad, Balai Berita 31, Jalan Riong, 59100 Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia.
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QUOTE(kh8668 @ Jul 4 2011, 02:57 PM)
Malaysia’s property sector was cut to “neutral” from “overweight” at RHB Research Institute Sdn Bhd, which said the expectation of strong property sales and earnings growth have already been factored into the share price.

“Sentiment will turn slightly negative and we expect demand starts to soften possibly next year,” Loong Kok Wen, an analyst at RHB, said in a report today. “The timing now is appropriate to be watchful on property stocks as we are now almost two years into the upcycle.” -- Bloomberg
Copyright © The New Straits Times Press (Malaysia) Berhad, Balai Berita 31, Jalan Riong, 59100 Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia.

other than diehards upupup, such is statement is reasonable and logical. "soften" does not mean burst or 30% price decline.
not only earnings growth factored in the dev stock prices, their new selling prices also factored in future inflation.
2 yrs is a long time for bolehsai which is not such a big economy, unlike usa or china that go on for much longer.
new launch price incr will slow down, subsale asking prices will come down.
bought for own stay, no worries; bought low-reasonable price in fair-good areas, no problem.
bought at premium price looking for high subsale price or high rental, may start to get difficult.
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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Jul 4 2011, 04:41 PM)
other than diehards upupup, such is statement is reasonable and logical. "soften" does not mean burst or 30% price decline.
not only earnings growth factored in the dev stock prices, their new selling prices also factored in future inflation.
2 yrs is a long time for bolehsai which is not such a big economy, unlike usa or china that go on for much longer.
new launch price incr will slow down, subsale asking prices will come down.
bought for own stay, no worries; bought low-reasonable price in fair-good areas, no problem.
bought at premium price looking for high subsale price or high rental, may start to get difficult.
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ur said is consider reasonable.... how if lose job/interest rate up/food price rise/petrol price rise...

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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Jul 4 2011, 04:41 PM)
other than diehards upupup, such is statement is reasonable and logical. "soften" does not mean burst or 30% price decline.
not only earnings growth factored in the dev stock prices, their new selling prices also factored in future inflation.
2 yrs is a long time for bolehsai which is not such a big economy, unlike usa or china that go on for much longer.
new launch price incr will slow down, subsale asking prices will come down.
bought for own stay, no worries; bought low-reasonable price in fair-good areas, no problem.
bought at premium price looking for high subsale price or high rental, may start to get difficult.
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Soft landing...... thumbup.gif rclxms.gif

Hope that we manage to turn/divert the course of the speed train.

I rather earn less, or no profit rather than the whole country gets into trouble and back fire on me.

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The Economist reports that Google searches in China of the Chinese translation of "hard landing" has increased dramatically:

http://www.economist.com/blogs/freeexchang...d-landing-china
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IMO...no matter hard/soft landing.....more important things you needed to do now is to spare your money on hand as much as possible.

The more $$$ on hand, you will have more chance for next departure.
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QUOTE(22222222 @ Jul 4 2011, 06:48 PM)
IMO...no matter hard/soft landing.....more important things you needed to do now is to spare your money on hand as much as possible.

The more $$$ on hand, you will have more chance for next departure.
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when come to recession time... cash always the king..

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/03/business/03loans.html

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Yes a lot more money, around half a mil maybe as when economy is down the financing is down also i.e back to 1/3 salary policy tongue.gif
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Wait and see whether Bank Negara will hike the OPR and SRR this coming saturday.

i've noticed that prices for the condos i've been monitoring have stopped going up, hopefully a 10% adjustment will be seen in the coming months.

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Wait and see whether Bank Negara will hike the OPR and SRR this coming saturday.

i've noticed that prices for the condos i've been monitoring have stopped going up, hopefully a 10% adjustment will be seen in the coming months.
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QUOTE(GangHo @ Jul 5 2011, 01:47 PM)
Let's pray and hope that everybody makes money, nobody loses money and the economy stays strong.  nod.gif  icon_rolleyes.gif  thumbup.gif  rclxms.gif  tongue.gif
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QUOTE(GangHo @ Jul 5 2011, 01:47 PM)
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if economy doesn't stay strong.. then will have a lesson... pls dun be greedy.. biggrin.gif

http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=...2204&sec=nation
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He said that buyers, making up those who earn not more than RM6,000 a month, would enjoy financing of up to 105% from selected financial institutions.

wow.. more and more can loan from bank.. rclxms.gif this consider good or bad news leh..

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QUOTE(CKHong @ Jul 5 2011, 02:01 PM)
if economy doesn't stay strong.. then will have a lesson... pls dun be greedy..  biggrin.gif

http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=...2204&sec=nation
First-time house purchasers to get up to 105% financing
He said that buyers, making up those who earn not more than RM6,000 a month, would enjoy financing of up to 105% from selected financial institutions.

wow.. more and more can loan from bank..  rclxms.gif  this consider good or bad news leh..
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good news for developers (constant sales for first time purchasers)
but bad news for flippers (first time qualify buyers will take advantage to apply/buy it b4 invests in others properties)
as for banks = no effect

but then again, in bolehland, anything can be corruptable if no 100% transparent control doh.gif
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thats just wishful thinking
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AGREED!

For money to be of value, it has to be finite/ limited. For nobody to lose money is impossible. Now with the PR1MA "incentive", more people who couldn't get on the market is now able - NOT through affordability, but by more LEVERAGING. Nice! The current answer to many social/ economic ill is to delay for some one else to figure it out, and meanwhile, dig a bigger hole.
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Tags: Eastern & Oriental Bhd , Hunza Properties , IJM Land Bhd , Kenanga Investment Bank , KSL , Kuala Lumpur Property Index , Mah Sing Group , Paramount Corp Bhd , RHB Research Institute , S P Setia Bhd , YNH Property Bhd


By Chong Jin Hun of theedgeproperty.com
Tuesday, 05 July 2011 12:08

KUALA LUMPUR: Two research houses have turned cautious on the local property sector which has enjoyed a good run-up for almost two years.

RHB Research Institute and Kenanga Investment Bank have cut the sector to "neutral" from "overweight" in the past week, reminding clients that history show a property upcycle normally lasts for only two years.

"We believe now is appropriate to be watchful on property stocks as well as the sector outlook as we are now almost two years into the upcycle," RHB wrote in a note on Monday, July 4. "If what we project is true — that the property upcycle will gradually come off in 2012, though the physical market is likely to remain strong until year-end — current valuations appear to be on the high side, as property stocks typically price in six to nine months ahead."

The anticipated softening next year, RHB said, could be triggered by concerns over higher risk profile due to liquidity-driven massive credit growth; further monetary and regulatory tightening measures; rising inflation; and negative sentiment from regional property sector downgrades.

In a note dated June 30, Kenanga said that smaller developers under its coverage like Hunza Properties and Eastern & Oriental Bhd have showed a decline in sales year-to-date, though the bigger boys — S P Setia, IJM Land and Mah Sing Group — are still targeting strong sales growth of between 15% and 35% this year.

"We wonder if we will see new highs post-2011," Kenanga said.

RHB also has reservations on developers embarking on aggressive landbank expansion. "Land prices are getting more expensive now, and the window to launch and rapidly sell property products is getting shorter. The resulting impact will be slower landbank turnaround time and higher holding costs," RHB said.

Moreover, expectations of higher interest rates and more stringent policies for the sector would likely dampen demand and limit developers' ability to raise selling prices.

That, in turn, could result in a price war as players undercut each other to unload their inventory, RHB said.

"In a worse case scenario, take-up rate could take longer to achieve a satisfactory level," it said, cutting target prices for most property counters under its coverage. S P Setia's fair value was reduced to RM4.67 from RM4.88 previously, while Mah Sing is now deemed fairly valued at RM2.90, down from RM3.15 before. RHB has also slashed its target price for YNH Property Bhd to RM2.14 from RM2.31 and for Paramount Corp Bhd to RM2.23 from RM2.41. For the sector, RHB only retained an "outperform" for IJM Land and KSL, valuing them at RM3.28 and RM2.40 respectively.

Kenanga, on the other hand, told clients it will maintain an "outperform" on S P Setia and Mah Sing "for one more quarter" on expectations of significant news flow. Its target prices, however, had been lowered to RM4.68 (from RM4.93) for S P Setia and to RM2.87 (from RM3.13) for Mah Sing.

It also reckon there's limited upside for the Kuala Lumpur Property Index as the gauge was trading at a price-to-book value of about 0.86 times, higher than the five year average of 0.77 times.

http://www.theedgeproperty.com/news-a-view...developers.html

The Star Online > Business
Published: Tuesday July 5, 2011 MYT 2:28:00 PM
Updated: Tuesday July 5, 2011 MYT 3:02:06 PM

Govt to remove foreign restrictions on healthcare, education and legal sectors

KUALA LUMPUR: Malaysia will liberalise the top services sector namely healthcare, education and business services in phases, among others, by removing restrictions to foreign equity participation.

The phased liberalisation will be based on its current and potential contribution to the Gross National Income (GNI).

The liberalisation comes under the International Standards and Liberalisation Strategic Reform Initiatives (SRIs), which is among the six SRIs announced here today.

Currently, the services sector contributed about 57 per cent to Malaysia's economy compared with between 70 per cent and 80 per cent for developed countries.

The following are the recommendations for the three sectors to be implemented in phases:

For Healthcare:

*Remove restrictions to foreign equity participation in the setting up of specialised private hospitals with a minimum number of beds.

*Relaxing entry restrictions for foreign specialists such as doctors and dentists. For Education:

*Gradual relaxation of foreign equity restrictions in international schools while maintaning guidelines to ensure quality and standard of education institutions.

*Extending teaching permits' validity up to five years. For Business Services (Professional Services) *Remove equity restrictions for accounting, legal and engineering services.

*Relaxing entry conditions for foreign lawyers, engineers and architects to work in Malaysia. The government will also work towards improving the quality of Malaysia's goods and services as well as improve access to international markets. - BERNAMA

Related Stories:
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Six SRIs, Public Finance to create RM13bil fiscal space
The mystique of national transformation
Govt announces 6 initiatives to boost Malaysia's global competitiveness



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AGREED!

For money to be of value, it has to be finite/ limited. For nobody to lose money is impossible. Now with the PR1MA "incentive", more people who couldn't get on the market is now able - NOT through affordability, but by more LEVERAGING. Nice! The current answer to many social/ economic ill is to delay for some one else to figure it out, and meanwhile, dig a bigger hole.
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In that case, I choose to be the losing party as long as the whole country economy remains intact and people dun have to go the street to protest.....
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will the relaxation of work permits bring in more expatriates and increase demand for klcc condo?
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will the relaxation of work permits bring in more expatriates and increase demand for klcc condo?
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more competitive environment for these services.....mean you have to be more powerful compared to others....kekekeke

it will be the era 1 job 1,000 applicants.




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more competitive environment for these services.....mean you have to be more powerful compared to others....kekekeke

it will be the era 1 job 1,000 applicants.
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Ya, hope that the government knows what they are doing and not digging our own grave.

It's recorded in the book ,"The world is flat" that American outsource too much jobs to the outside world that it affected the locals.

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will the relaxation of work permits bring in more expatriates and increase demand for klcc condo?
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From the basis of the article, it is a big fat NO! Expatriates are not dependent on the ease of receiving a work permit. Unless domestic helper is considered an expatriate?!
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From the basis of the article, it is a big fat NO! Expatriates are not dependent on the ease of receiving a work permit. Unless domestic helper is considered an expatriate?!
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in the last 10 years, expat = mainly domestic helpers, constr and plantations workers.
plus some info tech, special projects on 3-4k rental budgets.
plus some gweilos on their own looking for cheap rentals like 4-5k for furnished bungalow.
15-50k rental budget expat an extinct species.
think more mysians on 10-15k rental budget in jakarta now.
20-30k in shanghai, plenty.

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in the last 10 years, expat = mainly domestic helpers, constr and plantations workers.
plus some info tech, special projects on 3-4k rental budgets.
plus some gweilos on their own looking for cheap rentals like 4-5k for furnished bungalow.
15-50k rental budget expat an extinct species.
think more mysians on 10-15k rental budget in jakarta now.
20-30k in shanghai, plenty.
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360K annual rental? Plenty some more........ Wow!


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360K annual rental? Plenty some more........ Wow!
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the best brains have left since there's nothing much to do here except debate whether props prices will rise or fall! biggrin.gif tongue.gif
seriously, if you have the right skills, not hard to find a job there. easily 5 times yr current salary.
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the average rental in sh for msian expatriate is about usd4-5k, =12-15k MYR. (much higher if u stay in bungalo) I lived in shimao riviera b4 and it is simialr to most high end klcc condo. fyi, most of the apt in sh are without club house and swim pools and the rental is lower (about usd1k to 3k)

yes, the salary in sh is at least 5 times more..
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Seems like interest rate going to rise again in short term. China increase its interest rate has somehow put pressure on BNM to do the same. BNM is mimicking China's moves nowadays anyway.

http://www.theedgemalaysia.com/business/18...ing-growth.html

http://www.theedgemalaysia.com/business/18...-economist.html

http://biz.thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?f...85&sec=business

When the above happens, property prices will start to stagnant or slow in rising in the near term. The last round of interest rate increase has not really dampen property dampen property transaction in popular areas so BNM might feel safe to increase another 0.25%.

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haih... increase .25% to blr.. makes me have to pay RM80 more each month.. dam..
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haih... increase .25% to blr.. makes me have to pay RM80 more each month.. dam..
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haha....u oni pay extra RM80/month....somebody outside needed extra RM8000/month... biggrin.gif
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haha....u oni pay extra RM80/month....somebody outside needed extra RM8000/month... biggrin.gif
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Heard on BFM today, yeap, likelihood is that the BLR will be increased again. Announcement by end of today from BNM. Let's wait and see if it is true. If it is true, it is going to slow down the demand for properties.
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we will know by 6pm today. get ready to pay more int for loans, eat less...


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Malaysia’s inflation accelerated to the fastest pace in more than two years in May as consumer prices rose 3.3 percent. Bank Negara has raised the benchmark rate by a percentage point since the beginning of March 2010 to curb inflation, most recently a quarter-point increase at the last meeting in May. 

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Europe’s debt crisis and signs of a slowdown in global growth are complicating Malaysia’s decision on interest rates as a pickup in inflation coincides with dimming prospects for export gains.

Bank Negara Malaysia will raise its benchmark overnight policy rate to 3.25 percent from 3 percent at its fourth meeting of the year, according to 10 of 15 economists surveyed by Bloomberg News. The rest expect no change. The central bank will release its policy decision at 6 p.m. in Kuala Lumpur tomorrow.

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we will know by 6pm today. get ready to pay more int for loans, eat less...
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normally.. interest rate will increase rite ? i mean FD
BLR stay too low zo.. sure it will go up haaaaaaaaaih
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Heard on BFM today, yeap, likelihood is that the BLR will be increased again.  Announcement by end of today from BNM.  Let's wait and see if it is true.  If it is true, it is going to slow down the demand for properties.
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hmmmm....What if bank counter that with better package? BLR - 2.5 or more .... icon_rolleyes.gif
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hmmmm....What if bank counter that with better package? BLR - 2.5 or more ....  icon_rolleyes.gif
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wa wa.. if got that counter good leh..keep on counter.. after 3 years.. BLR - 4.0.. then i can do refinance liao rclxms.gif
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normally.. interest rate will increase rite ? i mean FD
BLR stay too low zo.. sure it will go up  haaaaaaaaaih
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blr up 25bp, fd up 10 - usually. biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Jul 7 2011, 10:56 AM)
blr up 25bp, fd up 10 - usually. biggrin.gif
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opr up 25bp, srr up 100bp... just guess...
blr will be 7% or above... smile.gif
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opr up 25bp, srr up 100bp... just guess...
blr will be 7% or above... smile.gif
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BLR become 7% above
many will die de leh.. i hope not..
cus u know la.. then few more months they will announce again increase SPR or others.. then BLR will increase again
i hope it increase bit by bit..
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7%-2.2% = 4.8% still manageable

if BLR up to
9% or 10% - 2.2%= 6.8% or 7.8% then should be worried.
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QUOTE(kh8668 @ Jul 7 2011, 12:27 PM)
7%-2.2% = 4.8% still manageable

if BLR up to
9% or 10% - 2.2%= 6.8% or 7.8% then should be worried.
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based on the chart (i forgot where i see b4 liao)
after 98... BLR never go up to 9 or 10..
stay within the range of 6.x-7.x
hope it won't go up too much lo.. cry.gif
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QUOTE(kh8668 @ Jul 7 2011, 12:27 PM)
7%-2.2% = 4.8% still manageable

if BLR up to
9% or 10% - 2.2%= 6.8% or 7.8% then should be worried.
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If SRR being raised, we can see BLR-1.x%, instead of -2.2%.

OPR is 50:50 chance being raised, but SRR is the one has the highest possibility being raised further.
SRR level is simply too low.


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QUOTE(CKHong @ Jul 7 2011, 01:12 PM)
based on the chart (i forgot where i see b4 liao)
after 98... BLR never go up to 9 or 10..
stay within the range of 6.x-7.x
hope it won't go up too much lo..  cry.gif
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My view, around 7% or 7.+% should be peak.

Little possibility it being raised until exceed 8%, unless we have GDP 8-9% growth coupled with elevated inflation rate, which is unlikely at the moment situation or near future.

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i refer to 2.2% as I more concern about myself and those who bought in 2009/2010/2011

LOL. coz most of us borrow with high gear based on 4%-5% during the period.
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QUOTE(cherroy @ Jul 7 2011, 02:19 PM)
If SRR being raised, we can see BLR-1.x%, instead of -2.2%.

OPR is 50:50 chance being raised, but SRR is the one has the highest possibility being raised further.
SRR level is simply too low.


Added on July 7, 2011, 2:22 pm

My view, around 7% or 7.+% should be peak.

Little possibility it being raised until exceed 8%, unless we have GDP 8-9% growth coupled with elevated inflation rate, which is unlikely at the moment situation or near future.
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SRR???

Mind explain red highlighted, I lost... rclxub.gif


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haha....u oni pay extra RM80/month....somebody outside needed extra RM8000/month... biggrin.gif
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Wow.....

0.25% = extra 8000/mth int

Based on 4% rate, the monthly repayment would be a whooping RM128,000 per month

If the repayment period is 10 years, the loan amount would be ~13 Million

If the repayment period is 30 years, the loan amount would be ~26 Million

BIG EXPOSURE!!

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SRR???

Mind explain red highlighted, I lost... rclxub.gif
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Statutory Reserves Requirement, aka money that need to set aside by banks and hold on/by BNM SRR regulation.

It just means money that cannot be used to loan out.
For eg. bank has Rm100 deposit if SRR is 3%, only RM97 can be used to loan out to make money/profit.

So higher SRR means higher cost to bank, so they may not able to give more discount on BLR.
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QUOTE(cherroy @ Jul 7 2011, 04:37 PM)
Statutory Reserves Requirement, aka money that need to set aside by banks and hold on/by BNM SRR regulation.

It just means money that cannot be used to loan out.
For eg. bank has Rm100 deposit if SRR is 3%, only RM97 can be used to loan out to make money/profit.

So higher SRR means higher cost to bank, so they may not able to give more discount on BLR.
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thanks for the explanation..
i didnt know those SRR OPR etc etc
at least now i know SRR rclxms.gif
been googled... but can't understaand.. tongue.gif
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QUOTE(cherroy @ Jul 7 2011, 04:37 PM)
Statutory Reserves Requirement, aka money that need to set aside by banks and hold on/by BNM SRR regulation.

It just means money that cannot be used to loan out.
For eg. bank has Rm100 deposit if SRR is 3%, only RM97 can be used to loan out to make money/profit.

So higher SRR means higher cost to bank, so they may not able to give more discount on BLR.
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I think the above is correct.

Definition: Statutory Reserve Requirement is a monetary policy instrument available to Bank Negara Malaysia (BNM) for the purposes of liquidity management. Effectively, banking institutions namely commercial banks, merchant/investment banks and Islamic banks are required to maintain balances in their Statutory Reserve Accounts (SRA) equivalent to a certain proportion of their eligible liabilities (EL), this proportion being the SRR rate.

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I think the above is wrong.

This seems more correct: Statury Reserve Requirement is a monetary policy instrument available to Bank Negara Malaysia (BNM) for the purposes of liquidity management. Effectively, banking institutions namely commercial banks, merchant/investment banks and Islamic banks are required to maintain balances in their Statutory Reserve Accounts (SRA) equivalent to a certain proportion of their eligible liabilities (EL), this proportion being the SRR rate.
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got example? i think with example will be easier for us to understand.. i googled also came out that.. end up i duno what it means.. english bad sad.gif
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Wow.....

0.25% = extra 8000/mth int

Based on 4% rate, the monthly repayment would be a whooping RM128,000 per month

If the repayment period is 10 years, the loan amount would be ~13 Million

If the repayment period is 30 years, the loan amount would be ~26 Million

BIG EXPOSURE!!
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haha....this guy really "man sheng zhai".... i oni know total loan amount of him around 30m++

of course, the money not oni for the property....oso for he's 3 company + Investment.


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got example? i think with example will be easier for us to understand.. i googled also came out that.. end up i duno what it means..  english bad  sad.gif
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Thanks Cherroy! Learned something. smile.gif

SRA/EL = SRR

SRA = Statutory Reserve Account
EL = Eligible liabilities
SRR = Statutory Reserve Rate

This is correct:
Let's say the bank has 100 RM in deposits, assets (EL), with SRR of 1%, they need to deposit 1 RM with central bank (SRA) , then can loan out the rest
Let's say the bank has 100 RM in deposits, assets (EL), with SRR of 2%, they need to deposit 2 RM with central bank (SRA) , then can loan out the rest.

This is wrong:

Let's say the bank holds 100 RM (SRA), with SRR of 1%, they can loan out 10,000 RM (EL).
Let's say the bank holds 100 RM (SRA), with SRR of 2%, they can loan out 5,000 RM (EL).

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Should be like this I think:
SRA/EL = SRR

Let's say the bank holds 100 RM (SRA), with SRR of 1%, they can loan out 10,000 RM (EL).
Let's say the bank holds 100 RM (SRA), with SRR of 2%, they can loan out 5,000 RM (EL).

So a small change in SRR requirement has a big impact on how much loans the banks can give out.
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the higher the SRR.. the lesser the bank can give out loan..
if like tat.. bank will tighten the lending..
what if

Let's say the bank holds 100 RM (SRA), with SRR of 1%, they can loan out 10,000 RM (EL).
let say the bank already loan out 10,000 to other people
the next day Bank Negara raises SRR to 2% > bank can only loan out 5,000
they can just ignore it or they have to get more $$ so that the bank hold 200 instead of 100
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OPR remained unchanged, but SRR inceased 1% to 4%. biggrin.gif


QUOTE(cherroy @ Jul 7 2011, 04:37 PM)
Statutory Reserves Requirement, aka money that need to set aside by banks and hold on/by BNM SRR regulation.

It just means money that cannot be used to loan out.
For eg. bank has Rm100 deposit if SRR is 3%, only RM97 can be used to loan out to make money/profit.

So higher SRR means higher cost to bank, so they may not able to give more discount on BLR.
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i believe this is the correct answer rclxms.gif

prody's first explanation (from the net) is something like an academic/formal answer to SRR, while cherroy gives an example to explain prody's explanation.

but prody's example is not correct. It is impossible that the banks can loan out money based on your formula.

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OPR maintain at 3%

http://www.bnm.gov.my/index.php?ch=8&pg=14&ac=2290

SRR up to 4%

http://www.bnm.gov.my/index.php?ch=8&pg=14&ac=2289

So, do the blr increase or not?
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QUOTE(22222222 @ Jul 7 2011, 06:12 PM)
i think will only hv a slight increase.

remember the last round when OPR increased 0.25%, SRR +1%, BLR increased 0.30%. increase in SRR increases cost of banks, so it all depends on how banks wanna recover the additional cost, maybe BLR-2.4% only for loan amt > RM500k ??? let's wait and see
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Monetary Policy Statement

At the Monetary Policy Committee (MPC) meeting today, Bank Negara Malaysia decided to maintain the Overnight Policy Rate (OPR) at 3.00 percent.

The global economic recovery in the second quarter of the year was affected by supply disruptions arising from natural disasters and geopolitical developments, the impact of fiscal consolidation measures, the more uncertain conditions in the global financial markets and the higher commodity prices. Going forward, global growth will remain highly uneven across regions, with increased downside risks. For the region, growth is expected to be sustained by robust domestic demand, increased investment activity and intra-regional trade.

In the domestic economy, the latest indicators point to a moderation in growth in the second quarter, due primarily to slower external demand, greater than expected disruptions in the global manufacturing supply chain and lower than projected public sector investment. Private consumption and investment have, however, continued to be important drivers of growth. Going forward, growth is expected to improve, underpinned by continued strength in private consumption and private investment. This growth prospect however, could be affected by the heightened external risks.

Domestic headline inflation increased to 3.3% in May on account of higher food and fuel prices. Supply factors continue to be the key determinant affecting consumer prices with global commodity and energy prices projected to remain elevated. There are also some signs that domestic demand factors could exert upward pressure on prices in the second half of the year.

The MPC’s assessment is that the risks to inflation are on the upside. While the outlook for growth remains positive, there are heightened uncertainties arising from global developments that have created higher downside risks to growth. The MPC will assess carefully the evolving economic conditions and to the extent that the growth momentum is sustained, further normalisation of monetary conditions will be considered to safeguard price stability.



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QUOTE(godutch @ Jul 7 2011, 06:12 PM)
OPR remained unchanged, but SRR inceased 1% to 4%. biggrin.gif
i believe this is the correct answer rclxms.gif

prody's first explanation (from the net) is something like an academic/formal answer to SRR, while cherroy gives an example to explain prody's explanation.

but prody's example is not correct. It is impossible that the banks can loan out money based on your formula.
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lol.. so which one is correct ? i will prefer cherroy one..
since his one very easy
got RM100.. if 3% means the 3% of the total cannot be used
as for prody.. got RM100.. 1% = 10,000 2% = 5000
i cannot get the formula done~
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QUOTE(godutch @ Jul 7 2011, 06:12 PM)
OPR remained unchanged, but SRR inceased 1% to 4%. biggrin.gif
i believe this is the correct answer rclxms.gif

prody's first explanation (from the net) is something like an academic/formal answer to SRR, while cherroy gives an example to explain prody's explanation.

but prody's example is not correct. It is impossible that the banks can loan out money based on your formula.
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Bank Negara maintains OPR at 3%
Written by theedgemalaysia.com
Thursday, 07 July 2011 18:04

KUALA LUMPUR: Bank Negara Malaysia has maintained the overnight policy rate (OPR) at 3% at its Monetary Policy Committee (MPC) on Thursday, July 7.

In a statement today, Bank Negara said the global economic recovery in the second quarter of the year was affected by supply disruptions arising from natural disasters and geopolitical developments, the impact of fiscal consolidation measures, the more uncertain conditions in the global financial markets and the higher commodity prices.

Going forward, global growth will remain highly uneven across regions, with increased downside risks, it said.

For the region, growth is expected to be sustained by robust domestic demand, increased investment activity and intra-regional trade, said the central bank.

Bank Negara said that in the domestic economy, the latest indicators pointed to a moderation in growth in the second quarter, due primarily to slower external demand, greater than expected disruptions in the global manufacturing supply chain and lower than projected public sector investment.

Private consumption and investment have, however, continued to be important drivers of growth, it said.

“Going forward, growth is expected to improve, underpinned by continued strength in private consumption and private investment.

“This growth prospect however, could be affected by the heightened external risks,” it said.

Bank Negara said domestic headline inflation increased to 3.3% in May on account of higher food and fuel prices.

Supply factors continue to be the key determinant affecting consumer prices with global commodity and energy prices projected to remain elevated, it said.

There are also some signs that domestic demand factors could exert upward pressure on prices in the second half of the year, it said.

“The MPC’s assessment is that the risks to inflation are on the upside. While the outlook for growth remains positive, there are heightened uncertainties arising from global developments that have created higher downside risks to growth.

“The MPC will assess carefully the evolving economic conditions and to the extent that the growth momentum is sustained, further normalisation of monetary conditions will be considered to safeguard price stability,” it said.



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QUOTE(CKHong @ Jul 7 2011, 06:42 PM)
lol.. so which one is correct ? i will prefer cherroy one..
since his one very easy
got RM100.. if 3% means the 3% of the total cannot be used
as for prody.. got RM100.. 1% = 10,000  2% = 5000
i cannot get the formula done~
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it's like the example given by cherro ealier on.

SRR 4%, means banks must set aside (save with BNM) 4% of its eligible liabilities (see the link provided by prody for all definition of what makes up for banks' eligible liabilities), which a big portion consists of deposits from customers.
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QUOTE(22222222 @ Jul 7 2011, 06:12 PM)
No increase likely on BLR.

But may be slight effect on BLR -x.x%.


Added on July 7, 2011, 11:42 pm
QUOTE(prody @ Jul 7 2011, 05:08 PM)
I think the above is wrong.

This seems more correct: Statury Reserve Requirement is a monetary policy instrument available to Bank Negara Malaysia (BNM) for the purposes of liquidity management. Effectively, banking institutions namely commercial banks, merchant/investment banks and Islamic banks are required to maintain balances in their Statutory Reserve Accounts (SRA) equivalent to a certain proportion of their eligible liabilities (EL), this proportion being the SRR rate.
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Should be like this I think:
SRA/EL = SRR

Let's say the bank holds 100 RM (SRA), with SRR of 1%, they can loan out 10,000 RM (EL).
Let's say the bank holds 100 RM (SRA), with SRR of 2%, they can loan out 5,000 RM (EL).

So a small change in SRR requirement has a big impact on how much loans the banks can give out.
http://www.bnm.gov.my/guidelines/01_bankin...ry_20090701.pdf
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6. Eligible Liabilities
6.1. As of 1 September 2007, the EL base consists of ringgit denominated
deposits and non-deposit liabilities, net of interbank assets and placements
with Bank Negara Malaysia.
EL is deposit that bank get aka money that bank hold or borrow from.

It has nothing to do with bank asset, aka loan out.

You want to loan ouy, you must have money to loan out.
Commercial bank cannot create money out of thin air.

If bank has RM100, they cannot loan out Rm5,000.
They need to borrow in RM4900, be it in the form of attracting more deposit in, or borrow from interbank.

What if SRR is 0%?
Can loan unlimited? biggrin.gif
Commercial bank cannot create money out of thin air.


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similar discussion in USJ forum, an interesting one as well.
over there mostly support the fact of bubble and no bulls there mostly bear.

http://www.usj.com.my/bulletin/upload/showthread.php?t=33052
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PRIMA is coming in town.
This so call 1 Malaysia Home plan.
With the release of the house volume in market, i wonder what is the impact to the demand and supply of the housing.
Will it slow down the house price or maybe the trend will start to go down.

Can someone share some idea on this?
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PRIMA is coming in town.
This so call 1 Malaysia Home plan.
With the release of the house volume in market, i wonder what is the impact to the demand and supply of the housing.
Will it slow down the house price or maybe the trend will start to go down.

Can someone share some idea on this?
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QUOTE(cherroy @ Jul 7 2011, 04:37 PM)
Statutory Reserves Requirement, aka money that need to set aside by banks and hold on/by BNM SRR regulation.

It just means money that cannot be used to loan out.
For eg. bank has Rm100 deposit if SRR is 3%, only RM97 can be used to loan out to make money/profit.

So higher SRR means higher cost to bank, so they may not able to give more discount on BLR.
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Thank cherroy!.

Learned something from u, really appreciated. smile.gif

No wonder, in year 2006 (around that time) housing loan is BLR +1.xx%, in year 2008 BLR-1.90%

Year 2009 (worst time) BLR-2.4%, then in year 2010 BLR-1.80%, and now return to BLR-2.40% again.

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Jul 7 2011, 11:27 PM)
No increase likely on BLR.

But may be slight effect on BLR -x.x%.


Added on July 7, 2011, 11:42 pm
http://www.bnm.gov.my/guidelines/01_bankin...ry_20090701.pdf
EL is deposit that bank get aka money that bank hold or borrow from. 

It has nothing to do with bank asset, aka loan out.

You want to loan ouy, you must have money to loan out.
Commercial bank cannot create money out of thin air.

If bank has RM100, they cannot loan out Rm5,000.
They need to borrow in RM4900, be it in the form of attracting more deposit in, or borrow from interbank.

What if SRR is 0%?
Can loan unlimited?  biggrin.gif
Commercial bank cannot create money out of thin air.
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Good thing I'm not in financing. smile.gif

I was always under the impression that banks can loan out much more then their deposits, so I thought it was because of this SRR.
Anyway, it's actually because of the "deposit creation multiplier". Bank gets a deposit. Then lends out most of the money. Then somebody else deposits the money at the bank again. Then bank loans out most of the money again etc. etc.

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that's why we see a lot of saving campaigns have been launched by local banks since 2/3 years ago.
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QUOTE(prody @ Jul 8 2011, 09:14 AM)
Good thing I'm not in financing. smile.gif

I was always under the impression that banks can loan out much more then their deposits, so I thought it was because of this SRR.
Anyway, it's actually because of the "deposit creation multiplier". Bank gets a deposit. Then lends out most of the money. Then somebody else deposits the money at the bank again. Then bank loans out most of the money again etc. etc.
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Many think bank just create number, add a few zero, like add a few zero on your account, already can. No money print number only.
Reality cannot. This is not computer game. biggrin.gif

Only central bank can create money out of nothing.

Yes, commercial bank is the process of money multiplier, but it must be from deposit or the bank go out to borrow from interbank or any source of money aka you circulating the money to multiply it.

When bank loan you home loan 500k, they need to pay the 500k to the developer or properties seller already.

SRR will affect the cost of money of bank.
Reduce SRR mean more money being "freed" out which in turn, allow bank make more loan, more profit.
Increasing mean reduce the liquidity aka reduce the amount can be lend out.

So that's why we see plenty of deposit/FD promotion lately after SRR being increased, while when SRR being reduced or to 1% time during height of global financial crisis, there is virtually none deposit promotion going on.
Bank needs to attract more deposit to make the same amount of loan like previous.
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I was always under the impression that banks can loan out much more then their deposits, so I thought it was because of this SRR.

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The actual situation, bank can lend much more than the capital they have.

A bank may have 1 billion capital, but the bank can loan out 20 billion, because the rest 19 billion come from deposit of customer, or borrow from various source, interbank, bonds etc.

Bank still can lend out more than the deposit they have, as long as they have other source of capital like above mentioned, from borrowing source or source of money to fund the borrowing.

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good threads... given no change on OPR and with the rise of SRR, wonder what next from the banks in term of home financing... FD% up, BLR-% stay @ -2.4% or down... or more creative packages bundling coming to lure buyers/investor smile.gif
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It's time for me to SSS now

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QUOTE(firee818 @ Jul 8 2011, 08:17 AM)
Thank cherroy!.

Learned something from u, really appreciated. smile.gif

No wonder, in year 2006 (around that time) housing loan is BLR +1.xx%, in year 2008 BLR-1.90%

Year 2009 (worst time) BLR-2.4%, then in year 2010 BLR-1.80%, and now return to BLR-2.40% again.
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For those who have sapu since 2009 would have be a millionaire by today biggrin.gif

It's time for me to SSS now

Nothing safer than money in our bank account smile.gif
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do you know what the banks do to your money when u deposit them?
do you know what is the consequence that happen to your money when banks do what they do?

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do you know what the banks do to your money when u deposit them?
do you know what is the consequence that happen to your money when banks do what they do?

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New info, major city in Sarawak, single storey terrace price up to
RM 220k - RM 250K, previously (before 3/2011) RM 200K - 230K increased by another 10%.
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New info, major city in Sarawak, single storey terrace price up to
RM 220k - RM 250K, previously (before 3/2011) RM 200K - 230K increased by another 10%.
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QUOTE(firee818 @ Jul 11 2011, 01:31 PM)
New info, major city in Sarawak, single storey terrace price up to
RM 220k - RM 250K, previously (before 3/2011) RM 200K - 230K increased by another 10%.
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Property trends – where are we heading to?

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There have been many speculation (and subsequent refuting by various parties) of a property bubble. Year 2009 marked an economic slowdown due to the global financial crisis, while year 2010’s economic recovery was largely boosted by the government’s economic stimulus package.

Some attributed the astronomical price increases in hot areas to the suppressed demand of year 2009. In that year, it was common for developers to offer 5% downpayment and 0% interest until upon completion of a development. Similarly, banks offered attractive rates, where the interest rates were at approximately the high 3% or low 4%.

Escalating prices
2011 came and property investors had to rethink their investment strategies. Prices of properties have surpassed the levels recorded before the crisis and in the first half of 2010 itself, prices of landed houses in some popular areas in the Klang Valley, Penang and Johor have appreciated by 10% to 30%. Bank Negara Malaysia (BNM), in its “Financial Stability and Payment Systems Report 2010”, stated that house prices in selected locations within and surrounding urban areas had increased to four times higher than the national house price index.

BNM has been staying on the pulse of the market’s movements and implemented a loan to value ratio of 70% for third mortgage borrowers. However, crafty property buyers have resorted to using their spouse or relatives’ names when applying for loans. Some have opted to take the commercial route, as the required downpayment is at an average of 80% (as opposed to 70% if the buyer has more than two residential properties currently). Plus, the capital gains and rental yield are relatively higher than residential properties. Hence, some buyers have changed their strategy by investing in commercial properties.

Proceed with caution
In early May 2011, BNM raised the overnight policy rate (OPR) by 25 basis points to 3% and increased the statutory reserve requirement (SRR) by one percentage point to 3%, and as such, banks have raised their base lending rates (BLR) and base financing rates (BFR) by 30 basis points to 6.60% respectively. Banks that offer BLR minus 2%, means that effective interest rates are still below 5%.

However, property investors should look at the slight rate hike with caution. It is imperative that property buyers make decisions based on repayment capability, and also factor in expected rental yields.

New developments continues to mushroom especially in the Klang Valley and Greater Kuala Lumpur and reports have indicated that investors are still very much active, with investors snapping up units during property launches, despite the price increase. Analysts have indicated that it is still too early to measure the impact of current regulations.

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Just has a rough check on Ipoh property prices recently. Seems like the price there also has increase about 40%++ averagely compare to my last checking which is like 2 years ago. An average decent 22’x75’ double storey house is now selling for a range of RM250k to RM290k depending on location and amenities offer. On my last recount, the same would be selling for around RM170k to RM220k.

Then I dig further and realize that the price increase is mostly due to inflation and better construction material offer, rather than speculation coz the secondary house market has not increase much compare to new launches. Still generally on the current price level, houses are still selling there. smile.gif

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City&Country: The Edge/KGV-Lambert+Smith Hampton Johor Baru housing property monitor (1Q2011)


By E Jacqui Chan of The Edge Malaysia
Sunday, 19 June 2011 00:00

Malaysian property investors, whose focus had been mainly on the Klang Valley property market, are now looking at Johor Baru. “We are seeing an increasing number of people from outside the state buying properties in JB,” says Samuel Tan, director of KGV-Lambert Smith Hampton. Interest is at a level that has never been seen before, he adds.


Skyrocketing residential property prices in the Klang Valley in the past two years have caused investors to look for investment opportunities elsewhere, says Tan when presenting The Edge/KGV-Lambert Smith Hampton Johor Baru Housing Property Monitor for 1Q2011.


There may be limited upside in the Klang Valley compared with the Johor property market, which started moving a year or so ago after having remained flat for years, he adds.


“It’s not just the buyers. We are also starting to see more major developers such as Bina Puri Holdings Bhd, Bandar Raya Developments Bhd and WCT Bhd buying land in Iskandar. They can see the potential here,” says Tan.

Properties in JB are also attracting attention because of Iskandar Malaysia, where the first wave of catalytic projects and major infrastructure are expected to be completed by 2012.


The projects include Legoland Malaysia, Newcastle University Medical Malaysia, Marlborough College @ EduCity and Chelsea Premium Outlets while infrastructure includes the Eastern Dispersal Link and the Coastal Highway.

“I think the sight of all these projects nearing completion proves that this is no longer a dream but that things are actually coming to fruition after so many years,” says Tan.

He also credits the improving ties between Malaysia and Singapore for the positive market sentiment. A key development is the 202ha wellness township in Danga Bay, a joint venture between Khazanah Nasional Bhd and Temasek Holdings Ltd. Construction is expected to start this year.

“Things like these augur well for Iskandar and JB because if you can’t get your neighbour to invest, how can you attract others?” asks Tan.

Rising values
After a lacklustre decade, the total transaction value and volume of properties are marching upwards, particularly since 2H2010.

According to data from the National Property Information Centre, transaction volume jumped to 5,147 units in 4Q2010 from 2,105 units in the preceding quarter. Even more impressive is the total transaction value, which jumped to RM1.13 billion in 4Q2010 from RM397 million in the preceding quarter.


“The numbers show that not only more people are buying but also thatpeople are prepared to pay higher prices these days. Johor folks were waiting for property prices to drop but they didn’t, especially in the primary market. It has become a matter of now or never in buying property,” says Tan.


He believes this also reflects the changing lifestyle in JB. “Five years ago, a condo would never have gone beyond RM250 psf, but today buyers will not even think twice about buying a RM350 psf unit because they see that the development comes with facilities. It is a lifestyle that comes with prestige and security. It is the same for gated and guarded housing estates.”

Tan attributes the rising prices to inflation and better values. In the primary market, prices have been going up due partly to a shift in the developers’ strategies, he says.

“In the past, most developers here were family-owned businesses or estate owners with limited capital. Now, we have deep-pocketed developers and when they buy land, they don’t buy cheap. They need to have fast turnover and continue selling, so prices cannot afford to drop below a certain margin.”

Tan notes that developers these days do not buy hundreds or thousands of acres. They buy just the right size for their needs so the holding cost will not be too high and the risk is mitigated.

The situation in the secondary market, which depends very much on the location and infrastructure changes, is more muted. Areas that are close to new infrastructure such as highways, and the proposed mass rapid transit and light rail transit lines are likely to see geographical changes and an increase in demand and value.

In 1Q2011, prices in several sampled housing schemes increased by an average of RM10,000 per unit. These include 1-storey terraced houses in Taman Pelangi and Taman Perling and 2-storey terraced houses in Taman Daya and Bandar Baru Permas Jaya.

However, Tan notes that rents have not risen in tandem with property prices, thus lowering rental yields. He expects this situation to continue.


“Now, most people buy properties for two reasons — for occupation or for capital appreciation. Those in the latter category will hold the property for a few years and sell it to make money. At the end of the day, there is hardly a better hedge against inflation than property,” says Tan.


Prices of houses in the secondary market have appreciated by 31% to 106% over the years.
A 2-storey semi-detached house in Taman Casa Ambyra, which was sold for RM450,000 when it was launched in 2008, is now going for RM650,000 — an increase of over 45%.


Apartments in Danga Bay, sold for RM170,000 in 2000, can now fetch about RM350,000 — an appreciation of more than 106%.

“Confidence in the market now is stronger than it has been in a long time. That’s also because of wave after wave of development announcements unlike in the past when you got one announcement and things then quietened down. The people here can see that things are moving forward and the JB landscape is changing for the better,” says Tan.


This article appeared in City & Country, the property pullout of The Edge Malaysia, Issue 859, May 23-29, 2011


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does anybody have actual transaction data on apartments being sold in Penang? what is the market there? is it going to slow anytime soon?


Added on July 12, 2011, 1:28 pmwow i see the mode is still BBB but just take a look, 360 properties are posted for sale in Penang just in the past 2 hours! i think not BBB anymore....

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does anybody have actual transaction data on apartments being sold in Penang? what is the market there? is it going to slow anytime soon?


Added on July 12, 2011, 1:28 pmwow i see the mode is still BBB but just take a look, 360 properties are posted for sale in Penang just in the past 2 hours! i think not BBB anymore....
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Now with inflation surging and property prices go beyond affordability level of mass population, expect prices to stagnant or moderate in the coming months until don't know when the disposable incomes and savings level goes up/catch up, then it will be BBB again. icon_rolleyes.gif
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does anybody have actual transaction data on apartments being sold in Penang? what is the market there? is it going to slow anytime soon?


Added on July 12, 2011, 1:28 pmwow i see the mode is still BBB but just take a look, 360 properties are posted for sale in Penang just in the past 2 hours! i think not BBB anymore....
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thanks!! im talking about the properties on the island. a lot are put up for sale...


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Added on July 13, 2011, 9:55 amThe Star Online > Business
Wednesday July 13, 2011

Banks offer home financing rates for as low as 0.2% to win market

SINGAPORE: At least two Singapore banks have been dangling some of the lowest ever home loan rates, currently pegged at about 0.2%, on selected properties.

Analysts say the moves by DBS Bank and United Overseas Bank (UOB) may reflect intensifying competition to maintain loan volumes in an uncertain market. These loans may be more attractive to short-term property investors.

The two banks confirmed to the Singapore Straits Times on Monday that they had offered mortgage rates pegged at two commonly used benchmark interest rates and not a whisker more in the initial period.

These are the Singapore interbank lending rate (Sibor) and swap offer rate (SOR). The three-month Sing-dollar Sibor has been at a record low of 0.438% since January; the three-month SOR has moved between 0.3% and 0.189% since April. It is now 0.21%.

The SOR tends to be more sensitive to exchange rate movements.

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Typically, when banks use the Sibor or SOR, they add their own profit margin.

These new rock bottom rates are usually for a promotional period such as the first year or even longer after that a higher rate, such as the usual benchmark plus a margin, is applied.

Vinod Nair, chief executive of website Smartloans.sg, which offers home loan comparisons, said the low rates were more suitable for short-term investors.

Compare a SOR plus zero package that rises to SOR plus 1% after three years, and a flat SOR plus 0.7% package, on a S$1mil, 30-year loan.

A person paid S$5,430 in total interest for the first three years under the first package, compared with S$25,557 over the same period for the second, he said. But over the 30-year loan tenure, he would actually pay less using the second package.

Bank of America-Merrill Lynch economist Dr Chua Hak Bin said the latest trend could be because mortgage applications had fallen, and there was “intensified competition among banks to maintain mortgage loan volumes”.

He said lenders might also be anticipating more cooling measures which could hit loan volumes, and the global slowdown might cause banks to focus more on mortgages and less on riskier corporate loans.

While home loans eased, total loans rose 24.2% in May from a year earlier, the “same highs seen in mid-2008 before the global financial crisis hit,” he added. - ANN/Singapore ST

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Added on July 13, 2011, 4:04 pmBy ELAN PERUMAL and STUART MICHAEL at the Selangor State assembly | Jul 13, 2011
Six months grace for lease renewal

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Property owners are given six months to apply for renewal of leasing for their premises.

Mentri Besar Tan Sri Khalid Ibrahim said this was to give the owners ample time to renew the lease for their property.

If they fail to apply for renewal, he said the owners risked losing their properties.

However, Khalid said the state government offered options for those who were unable to pay the premiums on their renewal.

Under a special scheme, he said those who were unable to pay the full premium would be allowed to renew their lease for only RM1,000.

“These property owners can pay the full premium when their properties are sold,’’ he said.

Khalid said the state also offered a 30% discount for those who paid the full premium within the six-month timeframe.


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inflation inflation inflation!!! Why dont' charge to the Independent power producers ?!!!!!

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The levy money will be used to reward green energy producers through the feed-in tariffs.




Kuala Lumpur: The government will impose a levy on heavy electricity users starting January 2012 and use the money to remunerate green energy producers under the Renewable Energy Act's feed-in tariffs (FiT).

"Green energy producers will be rewarded via the feed-in tariffs. The funding is derived from polluters-to-pay concept," said Energy, Green Technology and Water Ministry's deputy secretary general for energy sector Badaruddin Mahyudin.

He said the Sustainable Energy Development Authority will set up the Renewable Energy Fund in September 2011 to collect the levy and oversee the implementation of the FiT.

"Those who consume more than 300KW (kilowatts) per hour will be considered heavy energy users and they will be taxed. We estimate Tenaga Nasional Bhd (TNB) to collect RM300 million per year on behalf of the government to fund the green power producers.




"Please note, household customers consuming 200 units of electricity or less will not be affected by the renewable energy levy," he said.

"Our ministry has, so far, received a RM189 million loan from the Finance Ministry to kick-start the Renewable Energy Fund," he added.

Badaruddin was speaking to reporters after launching the pre-show guide of POWER-GEN Asia 2011 here yesterday. The regional conference and exhibition on power generation, transmission and distribution will be held at the Kuala Lumpur Convention Centre from September 27 to 29.

It was highlighted that manufacturers, which make up 40 per cent of TNB's clientele, are the likely target group to be slapped with the renewable energy levy.

Badaruddin said the government is aware that the largest contributor to the levy will be from the industrial sector. He gave an assurance that the 1per cent levy on the bills of heavy energy users will only minimally impact the industry's manufacturing cost.

Moreover, the industrial sector may want to offset the incremental electricity cost by being more energy-efficient at their factories or even generating green power, thus benefit from the FiT.

To date, TNB's small renewable energy programme is only applicable to those generating up to 10MW. Come September 2011, the FiT will raise the bar to 30MW.

Power is generated from sustainable sources that include hydro, solar, biomass and biogas.

The FiT essentially guarantees green power producers a premium selling price over that generated from depleting and finite sources like oil, gas and coal.

The FiT could, on a cumulative basis until 2020, facilitate avoidance of about 46 million tonnes of carbon dioxide emitted from conventional power generation. This is achieved if and when Malaysia generates at least 3,000MW of green power.



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"Those who consume more than 300KW (kilowatts) per hour will be considered heavy energy users and they will be taxed. We estimate Tenaga Nasional Bhd (TNB) to collect RM300 million per year on behalf of the government to fund the green power producers.

"Please note, household customers consuming 200 units of electricity or less will not be affected by the renewable energy levy," he said.

"300kw per hour"... "200 units"
300kwh per month is not that much for many homes. 300kwh in one hour for a month is a lot.
so is it 300kwh, 200kwh per month as threshold?


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There is one property in a popular gated & guarded development in USJ, a corner unit which the owner was asking for RM1.5million recently. He even wanted to put only RM900k in the S&P. Owner appeared to be very lansi and had an attitude of take it or leave it. Now a few weeks later I tot the unit must have sold already ... Imagine my surprise on learning that the price is down to RM1.1m. Owner must be in a hurry to sell now while he still can coz of the drastic reduction in price.

Dunno if this is the prelude for price drops ....
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There is one property in a popular gated & guarded development in USJ, a corner unit which the owner was asking for RM1.5million recently. He even wanted to put only RM900k in the S&P. Owner appeared to be very lansi and had an attitude of take it or leave it. Now a few weeks later I tot the unit must have sold already ... Imagine my surprise on learning that the price is down to RM1.1m. Owner must be in a hurry to sell now while he still can coz of the drastic reduction in price.

Dunno if this is the prelude for price drops ....
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he play psychology only... if ppl dun know the market trend and value... will get tipu lah... RM1.1m huh..

us could be in hard landing...

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nope. similar (slightly smaller corner unit) was sold for RM1.3m just 2-3 months ago. so its not a matter of not knowing the market value. Its a small taman, word gets around fast on who sold their house & who is selling.
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20% Drop in Housing to Cause Recession in 2012, Says Gary Shilling
By Peter Gorenstein

Stocks rallied Wednesday after Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke suggested the central bank would go ahead with another round of stimulus -- aka quantitative easing -- if the economy continues to slump. In this scenario, the Federal Reserve would once again purchase assets to keep interest rates low in an attempt to support the economy and prop up asset prices.

So far, the Fed's actions have done more good for asset prices like stocks (see: S&P 500 chart since 2009) while doing less to help the economy (see: June jobs report). U.S. gross domestic product grew just 1.9% in the first quarter of the year. For 2011 as a whole, the Fed forecasts U.S. GDP growing at 2.7% to 2.9%, which is lower than the plus 3% forecast they made in April.

Today's guest, Gary Shilling, President of A. Gary Shilling & Co. and author of the Age of Deleveraging says another recession is brewing -- no matter what action the Fed takes. "Economic growth here and abroad is slipping, making a 2012 recession a distinct possibility," he writes in his July newsletter. And, "when you have slow growth it doesn't take much of a shock to throw you in negative territory."

Shilling says the shock to trigger the next recess is "another big leg-down in housing." (An asset class the Fed has not been able to reflate.) As those familiar with Shilling know, his forecasts are generally bearish. However, in his defense, Shilling was one of the few economists who correctly predicted the dangers of the subprime mortgage market and its impact on the broader economy.

The problem with the real estate market remains excess inventory. Based on Shilling's research, there are 2 million to 2.5 million excess homes in the country -- a supply that will take 4-5 years to work-off. The result: Housing prices will fall another 20% and underwater mortgages will balloon from 23% to 40%, he says.

With housing slumping again, Shilling says recession is coming to a town near you in 2012.
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wat i mean the value base on social/economy performance and not the goreng value..
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Guys, i bought a property in Subang in 2007, 20*60 USJ 13, i'm thinking if i shud hold on or sell right now, so caught in the middle, with LRT coming soon, the price could yet sore higher.

Seeking some pro's advice here.
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Guys, i bought a property in Subang in 2007, 20*60 USJ 13, i'm thinking if i shud hold on or sell right now, so caught in the middle, with LRT coming soon, the price could yet sore higher.

Seeking some pro's advice here.
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How much u want to sell...bro? biggrin.gif
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How much u want to sell...bro? biggrin.gif
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But what i see from iproperty, extended, reno.. selling 450k.
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"300kw per hour"... "200 units"
300kwh per month is not that much for many homes. 300kwh in one hour for a month is a lot.
so is it 300kwh, 200kwh per month as threshold?
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hi, i think it is how the power unit is called, kilowatt per hour (kWh), so it is 300kWh, that means households with monthly eletricity bill of above RM70-80 (can't remember for sure the price now after the hike) will be affected. blink.gif


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20% Drop in Housing to Cause Recession in 2012, Says Gary Shilling
By Peter Gorenstein

Stocks rallied Wednesday after Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke suggested the central bank would go ahead with another round of stimulus -- aka quantitative easing -- if the economy continues to slump. In this scenario, the Federal Reserve would once again purchase assets to keep interest rates low in an attempt to support the economy and prop up asset prices.

So far, the Fed's actions have done more good for asset prices like stocks (see: S&P 500 chart since 2009) while doing less to help the economy (see: June jobs report). U.S. gross domestic product grew just 1.9% in the first quarter of the year. For 2011 as a whole, the Fed forecasts U.S. GDP growing at 2.7% to 2.9%, which is lower than the plus 3% forecast they made in April.

Today's guest, Gary Shilling, President of A. Gary Shilling & Co. and author of the Age of Deleveraging says another recession is brewing -- no matter what action the Fed takes. "Economic growth here and abroad is slipping, making a 2012 recession a distinct possibility," he writes in his July newsletter. And, "when you have slow growth it doesn't take much of a shock to throw you in negative territory."

Shilling says the shock to trigger the next recess is "another big leg-down in housing." (An asset class the Fed has not been able to reflate.) As those familiar with Shilling know, his forecasts are generally bearish.  However, in his defense, Shilling was one of the few economists who correctly predicted the dangers of the subprime mortgage market and its impact on the broader economy.

The problem with the real estate market remains excess inventory. Based on Shilling's research, there are 2 million to 2.5 million excess homes in the country -- a supply that will take 4-5 years to work-off. The result: Housing prices will fall another 20% and underwater mortgages will balloon from 23% to 40%, he says.

With housing slumping again, Shilling says recession is coming to a town near you in 2012.
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thank you for sharing.

really not sure this whether another round of QE will scare investors to flee emerging market or not? coz really the impact of QE so far only to creat assets bubbles in the East.

any tycos here got info to share? notworthy.gif

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The last couple of years have been a rollercoaster for the property industry. Speculation of property bubble, increase in housing loan’s interest rate, escalating prices, changes in policies and regulations – and that’s just naming a few! With the adjustment in property prices from suppressed demand of the past two years, year 2011 saw prices surpassing record levels. This led to many investors questioning whether they should switch to investing in commercial properties, as it would require 80% downpayment as opposed to 70% for residential properties for purchasers with three or more loans.

Regardless of investment strategies, property buyers should always exercise caution; based on repayment capabilities and rental yield. Analysts have indicated that it is still too early to measure the impact of current regulations.

So where would one seek investment information from? Online forums, property workshops and soon, you can get a hint of the latest property trends from experienced property investment coaches and expert professionals at the Property Investment Convention 2011 (PIC 2011). This is an event that you should attend, if you would like to keep pace on the ever-changing world of real estate.

Property Investment Convention 2011 (PIC 2011) – featuring multiple industry experts
In this convention, current topics of interest will be analysed and shared by speakers from various backgrounds and real estate expertise. This provides you a holistic view and exposure to current happenings. You might even encounter information that helps you design your investment strategy or change your mindset.

The convention will focus on:

■Policies and regulations – how the government’s policies will affect real estate investment, what you can do to your investment, knowing your legal right in purchasing a house and things that you need to be aware of.
■MRT and high-speed rail projects – what will these mega projects do to property prices, which areas will see a dramatic rise and benefit from the Blue Line, Circle Line and Ampang–Klang Line.
■Building a multi-million dollar portfolio – why it is necessary to invest in property and build assets if you want to become wealthy, how to build a multi-million dollar portfolio that increases in value and generates income.
■Going global – why go global, what are the key considerations, why Hong Kong and what are the opportunities at hand.
■Commercial investment – the pros and cons, key concerns and considerations, how to invest in commercial properties.
■REITS (Real Estate Investment Trust) – why REITs is an interesting investment option for those with high cash savings and are looking for a low risk investment, what to look for when investing in REITs, how to analyse a REIT stock, what are the risk profile of REITs and how to rebalance investment portfolios.
Here are the speakers who would be sharing their wealth of knowledge at the convention:

■Best-selling author and property investment coach, Milan Doshi
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■The master of lead generator and co-author of the first ‘Lease Options’ book in the UK, Vincent Wong
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■Chief Executive Officer & Executive Director of Axis REIT Managers Bhd, Stewart LaBrooy
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Register now! Seats filling fast!

PIC 2011 will be held on 6 and 7 August 2011 at The Gardens Ballroom, Mid Valley City. Register now at www.wealthmasteryacademy.com/starpic.

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Read from today's news that GST is designed in the final stage and just waiting for PM to kick-off.

After general election, I think GST is going to be everyone's nightmare.

Fasten u safety belt and prepare for the next round property surge! sad.gif
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QUOTE(firee818 @ Jul 15 2011, 12:00 PM)
Read from today's news that GST is designed in the final stage and just waiting for PM to kick-off.

After general election, I think GST is going to be everyone's nightmare.

Fasten u safety belt and prepare for the next round property surge! sad.gif
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i dont mind GST so long govt reduce income tax rates, a 3% reduction can save me a lot.. imagine every 100k can save 3k...200k =6k...


Added on July 15, 2011, 12:50 pmwha ti worry is tax rate no change but plus GST, then all my purchase eg clothing, electrical appliances, groceries, sundry etc. food and entertainment will not affected since they now charged service and sales tax already. i think GST will affect the poors more. BN will collaspe if they introduce GST b4 election.

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QUOTE(firee818 @ Jul 15 2011, 12:00 PM)
Read from today's news that GST is designed in the final stage and just waiting for PM to kick-off.

After general election, I think GST is going to be everyone's nightmare.

Fasten u safety belt and prepare for the next round property surge! sad.gif
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I think GST will Kick-off very soon and GE maybe will delay to next year due to 709.
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I think GST will Kick-off very soon and GE maybe will delay to next year due to 709.
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they know if they call for GE... they will lose till veli cham...
but then GST kick off.. they might lose as well.. if i'm BN boss.. i will call for GE .. then only implement GST smile.gif
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agreed  biggrin.gif
they know if they call for GE... they will lose till veli cham...
but then GST kick off.. they might lose as well.. if i'm BN boss.. i will call for GE .. then only implement GST  smile.gif
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Cannot wait anymore......Gomen need $$$ now.
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Cannot wait anymore......Gomen need $$$ now.
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if they dun eat $$... after GE they don't have the chance edi.. tongue.gif
somemore GE.. they need alot $$$.. cus previously their stronghold.. they need to feed them $$ like what they always did tongue.gif
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I think there are a lot of 'casual' player enter the property market

their 'optimistic' view is the most dangerous thing and help to push up the property price further..

Gov should find a way to educate pp the 'risk' of invest on property else this group of young pp will get hurt badly if
economic condition turn sour...... and all those rich pp will benefit from it.

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I think there are a lot of 'casual' player enter the property market

their 'optimistic' view is the most dangerous thing and help to push up the property price further..

Gov should find a way to educate pp the 'risk' of invest on property else this group of young pp will get hurt badly if
economic condition turn sour...... and all those rich pp will benefit from it.
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No pain no gain.. no one force you buy/slip property.. right.
So ppl need to realize themself (grow up lah).
still govman to take care this , take care that. remind you this, remind you that - like a small baby....

most greedy ppl have short memory sickness... 1993, 1997, 2009 etc... take care yourself.... rclxub.gif rclxms.gif


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QUOTE(ayha2009 @ Jul 15 2011, 04:26 PM)
No pain no gain.. no one force you buy/slip property.. right.
So ppl need to realize themself (grow up lah).
still govman to take care this , take care that. remind you this, remind you that - like a small baby....

most greedy ppl have short memory sickness... 1993, 1997, 2009 etc... take care yourself.... rclxub.gif  rclxms.gif
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read it yourself.... most popular developer...

http://www.theedgemalaysia.com/business/18...downgrades.html

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I think GST will Kick-off very soon and GE maybe will delay to next year due to 709.
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Highly unlikely.
It may take at least a year for everyone to prepare.

GST affect every level of manufacturers.
It can be tedious from raw materials supplier to end of consumer.
It is not something like service tax, whereby tax only incurred at the bill of consumer.

There are stage of framework GST claims, lot of paper work, system need to be in order before a complete GST system can be running smoothly.


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QUOTE(lucerne @ Jul 15 2011, 12:40 PM)
i dont mind GST so long govt reduce income tax rates, a 3% reduction can save me a lot.. imagine every 100k can save 3k...200k =6k...


Added on July 15, 2011, 12:50 pmwha ti worry is tax rate no change but plus GST, then all my purchase eg clothing, electrical appliances, groceries, sundry  etc. food and entertainment will not affected since they now charged service and sales tax already. i think GST will affect the poors more. BN will collaspe if they introduce GST b4 election.
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You hit the nail on the head.

That's why GST being delayed and delayed.

Implement GST will affect greatly on poor one.

Reduce income tax only benefit the rich. Nothing to do with poor one whom pay no tax currently.(below Rm3000 or Rm2xxx monthly)

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You hit the nail on the head.

That's why GST being delayed and delayed.

Implement GST will affect greatly on poor one.

Reduce income tax only benefit the rich. Nothing to do with poor one whom pay no tax currently.(below Rm3000 or Rm2xxx monthly)
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Yes and no. Bear in mind, our tax collectible should be far much higher if we have taken into account ppl who evade tax (on purpose or innocent).

Consumption tax is a very good way to closing the gap of tax collectible and actual tax collected. Because in the end of the day, the money we earned will have to use somehow, and government can tax it. It's just the matter of time, when you use it smile.gif
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Property outlook turns cautious
Written by Yantoultra Ngui Yichen
Friday, 15 July 2011 14:57

KUALA LUMPUR: Industry players and research houses have started to turn cautious on the outlook of the property sector, especially in the higher-end segment, on the back of declining growth rate of residential loan approvals and poor external factors.

This comes amidst the rollout of some mega property projects such as the 1Malaysia People’s Housing Programme (PR1MA) and the impending development of large tracts of land surrounding Greater KL’s integrated urban transportation system.

“There have been mixed signals from the indicators, namely the (upward trend) transaction volumes and the (downward) growth rate of residential loan approval,” CLSA Asia Pacific Markets said in a research note on Wednesday.

“As such, we are becoming more cautious on the share price performance of the property developers and have downgraded our sector rating to ‘neutral’ from ‘overweight’,” it added.

CLSA said it believed certain elements of optimism of the physical market had been priced in the stock prices of the property developers.

“The persistent price growth for each quarter may not be sustainable going forward given that such strong performance had continued for the past six quarters consecutively,” it said.


The slowing growth rate of housing loan approvals and negative external factors have prompted research houses to look at downgrading ratings on Malaysia's property sector
Indeed, the KL property index had outperformed the KLCI last year and the first half of this year by 11.3% and 3.8% respectively, mainly supported by consistent year-on-year house price growth of 6% to 8% in each quarter since the fourth quarter of 2009.

Notwithstanding that, CLSA said the potential change in computing household loan based on net income rather than gross income, though currently just at the proposal stage, was likely to impact the higher-end residential units if implemented.

Nonetheless, an industry player said there shouldn’t be any worries as long as the location of the property was strategically situated but admitted that the sector’s outlook looked gloomy in the medium term.

“Although prices of these properties can still go down such as those seen during the Asian financial crisis in 1997, they will recover strongly when the economy is back on track,” an industry player said.



“But anything longer than two years from now, I can’t really tell. I am a bit cautious as the external factors are still looking pretty negative,” he added.

He said the external factors included the negative outlook in the US recovery story, spread of the eurozone debt crisis and inflationary pressure in countries such as China.

Indeed, the recovery of the US economy still looks bleak. According to a recent news report, the US trade gap widened much more than expected in May as a jump in oil prices helped push imports to the second highest level on record.

The trade deficit amounted to US$50.2 billion (RM150.6 billion), the highest since October 2008. This is on the back of its imports rising by 2.6% to US$225.1 billion, the highest since the record of US$231.6 billion set in July 2008 just before the global financial crisis took a huge toll on global trade.

Adding to that was the persistent euro sovereign debt woes. Moody’s Investors Service on Tuesday, cut Ireland’s credit rating to junk status, saying the country will likely need further official financing before it can return to international capital markets.

Although growth in China still remained intact despite annual gross domestic product (GDP) growth easing to 9.5% in 2Q11 from 9.7% the previous quarter, inflationary pressure still remained a major concern in the world’s second largest economy.

An analyst said although projects such as the PR1MA and MY Rapid Transit would continue to give a boost to the property sector, the overall economic growth of the country was still dependent on its trading partners.

According to a report quoting International Trade and Industry Minister Datuk Seri Mustapa Mohamed, US and China topped the country’s top five export destinations in 2010.

Nevertheless, property launches are still hot in the country. For one, Mah Sing Group Bhd recently rolled out its RM3 billion Icon City, located at the intersection of Damansara-Puchong Highway and the Federal Highway in Petaling Jaya.

According to news report, the first phase of the project, 30 Jewels, comprising seven- and eight-storey lifestyle shop offices was recently previewed and 19 units valued at RM192 million were taken up.

The second phase, which comprises two- and three-storey retail lots, small office versatile offices and residential units, are now opened for registration. According to news reports, the offices, with built-ups of 750 sq ft and 990sq ft, were priced from RM750 psf.

With the gloomy outlook in the global economies and declining growth rate of residential loan approvals in Malaysia, it remains to be seen if the property sector, be it property stocks or property prices, can sustain its growth in time to come.



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hi, i think it is how the power unit is called, kilowatt per hour (kWh), so it is 300kWh, that means households with monthly eletricity bill of above RM70-80 (can't remember for sure the price now after the hike) will be affected.  blink.gif


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thank you for sharing.

really not sure this whether another round of QE will scare investors to flee emerging market or not? coz really the impact of QE so far only to creat assets bubbles in the East.

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You will have used 1 kWh when you run equipment consuming 1 kW for 1 hour.

For example: a 1 hp aircon consumes 0.75 kW.
If you run it for 8 hours it will have consumed 0.75 x 8 = 6 kWh
If you run it for the whole month every night for 8 hours your power consumption for this aircon is: 0.75 x 8 x 30 = 180 kWh
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Meeting buyers’ increasing needs and wants

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BUYING a home is a big investment for the vast majority of us. So most of us agonise over it for a long time before making the investment.

We want the best for the money we pay, especially when we have to part with a lot of it. We expect to receive value for money. In fact, some of us expect to receive more than what we pay for, but that’s only human.

And our expectations have risen steadily over the years, mainly influenced by prevailing conditions, changing trends and, in no small way, what we see and experience elsewhere around the world.

There was a time when providing a roof over our heads was the primary and perhaps only consideration when we purchased a home. What came inside was secondary.

Drop in at one of those houses built in the 1970s or 1980s and you will probably find only one bathroom, to be shared by the entire family and their guests. Metal grills for the doors, windows and a fence around the house were all the security you could expect to get.

Life had other considerations then, and security was not such a big issue. Today, a developer sets himself apart by the extras he can offer home purchasers as much as the location, price and quality of his project.

So what do buyers expect of developers today? For the most part, security has gained the highest consideration. Everybody wants to feel safe. In response to this need, gated communities with provision for tight security have sprung up.

The guard post has also become part and parcel of any high-rise development today. In high-rise projects, there is the addition of a secured lift access card – a facility that has become basic.

Once the project has been completed and the keys handed over to the purchasers, the developer is expected to organise the security detail and maintenance services until the Joint Management Board (JMB) is formed, which takes place within a year. The responsibility is then handed over to the JMB.

Beyond that, there are other considerations. Lifestyle facilities such as a clubhouse, swimming pool or gymnasium are now a must. The more affluent the purchasers, the higher their demands.



Apart from the swimming pool and gymnasium, purchasers now also expect a function room, a yoga or pilates room, and a children’s playroom.

Wireless Internet access, a barbecue pit, jogging tracks, laundry service and a convenience store are important. Jacuzzi, tennis court and sauna are plus points.

A purchaser’s choice of property to buy is also influenced by his status in life. The bachelor or a newly-married couple just starting out in life are more likely to opt for an apartment with additional facilities such as a rooftop lounge.

A couple with young children is more likely to opt for landed property that comes with some garden space for play. High-rise projects with large open recreational spaces built in also appeal to such buyers.

Buyers who have aged parents living with them will opt for more “user-friendly” homes where there are not too many levels to climb up or down, and where at least one room is at the same level as the kitchen and living area for the old folks’ easy access.

The size of a property one buys is, of course, influenced as much by the price as the size of his family.

Logically, a large family, especially with three generations living together, will need more room, while a young couple will opt for a smaller unit that is more affordable. Room must also be made available for the domestic maid who is now a must for every Malaysian family.

Having said that, one can safely assume that an apartment with about 2,000 sq ft and three-plus-one bedrooms is about right for the average Malaysian family. The “plus-one” bedroom is presumably for the domestic help.

The buyer of a landed property would most likely expect four or five bedrooms. Whether apartment or landed property, buyers now expect a bathroom attached to each and every bedroom.

Now that we have the basic structure of four walls and a roof, with the requisite number of rooms and the facilities taken care of, what else do buyers want?

In most families today, both the husband and wife work. So there is little time left to worry about getting the little things for a new home.

In light of that, developers are beginning to throw in at least the basic appliances and built-ins to help ease the buyer and his family into their new home.

Many developers now provide as basic items such as built-in wardrobe and kitchen cabinets. Also being given as part of a package now are air-conditioners and water heaters.

Going green is also becoming quite trendy, with a number of buyers inquiring about environment-friendly designs. Some developers have taken the initiative to design homes that, for instance, let in more natural light so that there is less of a need to switch on the lights.

High ceiling and large windows that make the interior more airy also help to reduce the use of the fan or air-conditioning, all of which also help to cut energy costs, which is a bonus for purchasers.

As expectations increase, developers have to become more creative and innovative. At the same time, such extras do come at a price and in the end, some of it has to be passed on to the buyer.

Having said all that, there are some who do not even bother to look at the floor plan or want to know what facilities are available before placing an order for several units at the same time. These are the hardcore property investors and theirs is another story.



·Teh Lip Kim is the MD of SDB Properties Sdn Bhd, a lifestyle property company. Bouquets and brickbats are welcome at md@sdb.com.my.

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Having said all that, there are some who do not even bother to look at the floor plan or want to know what facilities are available before placing an order for several units at the same time. These are the hardcore property investors and theirs is another story.

·Teh Lip Kim is the MD of SDB Properties Sdn Bhd, a lifestyle property company. Bouquets and brickbats are welcome at md@sdb.com.my.
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that other story is not complicated, just need:
. 90% or 100% loan after rebate
. full or partial dibs
. credit card downpayment
. short lock in or no lock in period
. can get privileged or bulk discount
. can sell booking before spa signing

there have been and still many like that, maybe price have gone up, location sucks.
someone said, "if one can create wealth out of nothing, it's hard to resist".
so the fortune hunting continues - until...??

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that other story is not complicated, just need:
. 90% or 100% loan after rebate
. full or partial dibs
. credit card downpayment
. short lock in or no lock in period
. can get privileged or bulk discount
. can sell booking before spa signing

there have been and still many like that, maybe price have gone up, location sucks.
someone said, "if one can create wealth out of nothing, it's hard to resist".
so the fortune hunting continues - until...??
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until end of the world blush.gif
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so...lets join the party?
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so...lets join the party?
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it is not difficult to see some shifts in prop activity in the last year or so:

1 much fewer landed houses projects launched - they are either high end large houses or located in very very new areas (with promises of course)
2 then condos averaging 350-450psfpsf, considered cheap, rush rush buy buy
3 latest now pigeonholes 400sft, 650sqft comercial titles disguised as homes under or sovos (maybe later somo, small opis macam-macam opis) - averaging 400-600psf. entry price 200-300k, everybody say cheap, buy now. doesn't matter where it is or why will support it or what you do with it if not livign there. latest ones in seri kembangan, serdang, nilai, shah alam, cyberjaya, kajang - traditonally houses areas
4 many big time seasoned prop investors have stopped buying but start to sell, vacuum now filled by late, younger comers hungry and ready (some helped by parents)

to me there are 2 questions now in the next 2-3 years:
. we know inflation is going to be bad; if it is so bad, will people then still buy new homes at exorbitant prices or give up the idea?
. will people be willing to pay RM2k or so to rent a soho-sovo pigeon hole in some of those places?

no one knows where all this is going but one thing for sure - as prices rise and mediocre or poor locations become perceived hot sopts (helped by colorful artist impressions and heavily id'ed showunits), the risks have increased dramtically whether you can see it or not.
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it is not difficult to see some shifts in prop activity in the last year or so:

1 much fewer landed houses projects launched - they are either high end large houses or located in very very new areas (with promises of course)
2 then condos averaging 350-450psfpsf, considered cheap, rush rush buy buy
3 latest now pigeonholes 400sft, 650sqft comercial titles disguised as homes under  or sovos (maybe later somo, small opis macam-macam opis) - averaging 400-600psf. entry price 200-300k, everybody say cheap, buy now. doesn't matter where it is or why will support it or what you do with it if not livign there. latest ones in seri kembangan, serdang, nilai, shah alam, cyberjaya, kajang - traditonally houses areas
4 many big time seasoned prop investors have stopped buying but start to sell, vacuum now filled by late, younger comers hungry and ready (some helped by parents)

to me there are 2 questions now in the next 2-3 years:
. we know inflation is going to be bad; if it is so bad, will people then still buy new homes at exorbitant prices or give up the idea?
. will people be willing to pay RM2k or so to rent a soho-sovo pigeon hole in some of those places?

no one knows where all this is going but one thing for sure - as prices rise and mediocre or poor locations become perceived hot sopts (helped by colorful artist impressions and heavily id'ed showunits), the risks have increased dramtically whether you can see it or not.
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I don't see why people don't buy home for themselves or their families. If you know inflation is getting bad over the years, why not to get one now? otherwise you will pay more due to decrease of purchasing powers.

You got two options, first is to rent a property/room; 2nd is to purchase one for your own. I believe rental is also increase for mass housing property; example those 2sty houses in PJ now fetch not below 1800per month (4 or 5 rooms). those 2sty landed property in new areas also not cheaper than 1,200 per month.

for average high-rise unit, rental could be in the range of 800 to 1,200 per month (average 3 bedrooms).

if you do not buy now for your own-stayed, then be ready to rent a unit for you and your family. if you're getting marry, believe it is not so ideal for you to just rent a room, right?

maybe third option - to stay with your parents

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from iproperty.. i can see the prop market like stock market already... today increase 5k... after few days decrease 5k... and following days increase 5k again... and so..
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from iproperty.. i can see the prop market like stock market already... today increase 5k... after few days decrease 5k... and following days increase 5k again... and so..
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Added on July 17, 2011, 1:23 pmBy ANGIE NG
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More green buildings needed

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WHILE green solutions have long been adapted by property industry practitioners in the United States, Europe and Australia, it is still at an early stage in Malaysia.

According to the Eastern Regional Organisation for Planning and Human Settlement (EAROPH) Malaysia honorary secretary, S Thirilogachandran, although there are lots of initiatives and programmes to promote greater green awareness and practices locally, there is still a need for more practical solutions to be adapted among the property development fraternity.

Building by-laws or other building legislation need to be made mandatory for developers to provide green features in their developments.

He says the Government should also come out with more incentives and policies to encourage more developers to adopt green solutions.

“The Government through the Energy, Green Technology and Water Ministry is also looking into promoting green practices by providing guidelines, framework and the policies.

“Initiatives such as offering tax benefit for green solutions in buildings are also in place. Soon, certain green requirements to be incorporated in buildings will be made mandatory by law. But there is still a lot to be done,” Thirilogachandran explains.

He says the number of green buildings and green neighbourhoods in the country is still very small, and hopefully in the next five years more green buildings and townships (that are under planning) will be completed by then.

Thirilogachandran says following the launch of the Green Building Index (GBI) in 2009 to rate green buildings, there is now greater awareness on green solutions among developers in the country and more developers are taking initiatives to adapt green practices and solutions in their developments.

To date GBI tools for buildings, townships and industrial projects have been launched, and the next to be launched will be for residential projects.

Some local authorities have made certain mandatory green requirements for approval of building plans and some have taken the initiative to green the cities under their purview. CB Richard Ellis (Malaysia) vice-president of research, Nabeel Hussain says industry practitioners have a responsibility to adopt sustainable building practices and related technologies in order to play a proactive role in climate change mitigation.



“Malaysia’s introduction of its own green rating system, the Green Building Index (GBI) in 2009, and the Government’s support for the drive towards green buildings and technology should be a good start,” he says.

Thirilogachandran says in Asia, Japan has taken big initiatives in going green and to reduce its carbon foot print.

The Japanese have also taken initiatives in greening their existing buildings in a big way.

More countries are adapting green solutions in property development, including Singapore’s Green Mark Rating and Australia’s Green Star rating that has been in existence for more than a decade now.

Meanwhile, the larger economies like China and India, and other emerging economies like Vietnam and the Middle East are also catching up and have taken initiatives to incorporate green solutions in developments.

To raise greater awareness and promote green solutions in the local real estate and housing development industry, a conference on “Green Solutions for Property Development 2011 – Greener Cities” will be held on July 28.

It is jointly organised by Rehda Institute and EAROPH Malaysia Chapter.

Thirilogachandran, who is the chairman of the organizing committee, says the conference will showcase latest developments on green solutions in different areas related to property development.

The aim of the conference is to demonstrate that green is a feasible alternative in today’s highly competitive market environment through tested, practical and profitable methods.

He says the theme “Greener Cities” was chosen this year to address the green solutions for cities, townships and in the context of neighbourhoods rather than just addressing the solutions for a building or units within a building or a particular site.

It will cover aspects of planning and design, lifestyle, government policies and initiative, telecommunication, green townships tools, low carbon city framework, facilities and assets management and other green solutions for greener cities.



more higher price to pay for house buyers

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I don't see why people don't buy home for themselves or their families. If you know inflation is getting bad over the years, why not to get one now? otherwise you will pay more due to decrease of purchasing powers.

You got two options, first is to rent a property/room; 2nd is to purchase one for your own. I believe rental is also increase for mass housing property; example those 2sty houses in PJ now fetch not below 1800per month (4 or 5 rooms). those 2sty landed property in new areas also not cheaper than 1,200 per month.

for average high-rise unit, rental could be in the range of 800 to 1,200 per month (average 3 bedrooms).

if you do not buy now for your own-stayed, then be ready to rent a unit for you and your family. if you're getting marry, believe it is not so ideal for you to just rent a room, right?

maybe third option - to stay with your parents
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the mind and heart wants to buy. not just now or yesterday but all the time. the question is can the pocket afford it?
the same new homes in 2006 costs about twice today. unless yr income doubled, the decision isn't obvious.
of course, the answer is to go from 20yr to 40 yr loans - that depends on yr age and attitude towards debt.
if i am buying my first home, for own stay, yes, i will probably just go buy if i have planned for it.

i was highlighting the bbb frenzy now spilling over to "opis" pigeonholes that are not quite "homes".
people are buying them as much as buying houses or condos!
will these oho-sovos apprceciate just like homes?
or are developers cashing in on the final lapse of a run for anything that's concrete, steel and new?

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the mind and heart wants to buy. not just now or yesterday but all the time. the question is can the pocket afford it?
the same new homes in 2006 costs about twice today. unless yr income doubled, the decision isn't obvious.
of course, the answer is to go from 20yr to 40 yr loans - that depends on yr age and attitude towards debt.
if i am buying my first home, for own stay, yes, i will probably just go buy if i have planned for it.

i was highlighting the bbb frenzy now spilling over to "opis" pigeonholes that are not quite "homes".
people are buying them as much as buying houses or condos!
will these oho-sovos apprceciate just like homes?
or are developers cashing in on the final lapse of a run for anything that's concrete, steel and new?
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this kind of soho-sofo-sovo kind of development is new species of property - mainly target for residential used although marketing as both commercial and residential use due to developer no need to provide so many carparks and also can provide large number of units in the development (coz using plot ratio). this help them make more $$$$.

at the end of the world, people cannot afford to buy 500k property can opt for 200k to 300k kind of developments like this, with exception of premium development such as eco city / i ccon city..LOL

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ask ourself and the people you know whether they have/hv not over leveraged then we'll roughly know how the local prop market future lies.. if you sense the greed now potentially we may have idea where the property price heading in near future. Don't overlooked external factors as well.
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ask ourself and the people you know whether they have/hv not over leveraged then we'll roughly know how the local prop market future lies.. if you sense the greed now potentially we may have idea where the property price heading in near future. Don't overlooked external factors as well.
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few only....around 2 or 3 only...some gang up to buy semi-d for flip and some buy unit at cycber for flip as welll....
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QUOTE(dlyw1103 @ Jul 17 2011, 03:12 PM)
ask ourself and the people you know whether they have/hv not over leveraged then we'll roughly know how the local prop market future lies.. if you sense the greed now potentially we may have idea where the property price heading in near future. Don't overlooked external factors as well.
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My take is in the next 6 months or so, property prices will come under increasingly downward price revision pressure. Whether or not this pressure works hinges on ETP implementations or specifically the MRT project that is about to take place or not?

M'sia is quite immune to external factors for the last 10 years or so. If external factors are not adverse, it has little effect on local property market. After all, the local market cost base is quite low compare to the region. When it is so low, how much more can it drop comparatively.
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few only....around 2 or 3 only...some gang up to buy semi-d for flip and some buy unit at cycber for flip as welll....
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my guess own stay-speculating ratio has gone from 80/20 in 2006 to 20/80 in 2011.
ask around a bit more, get honest answers!
most buyers will say buy for own stay, next thing they do is ask which loan easiest and cheapest to terminate early. tongue.gif
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my guess own stay-speculating ratio has gone from 80/20 in 2006 to 20/80 in 2011.
ask around a bit more, get honest answers!
most buyers will say buy for own stay, next thing they do is ask which loan easiest and cheapest to terminate early. tongue.gif
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Lot of people around me are yet to buy any property. happy.gif lot of potential buyers around.


Added on July 17, 2011, 7:42 pmProperty Related Businesses are being well in Malaysia.

today IPC/Ikea are packed with crowds!!!! LOL

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Lot of people around me are yet to buy any property. happy.gif lot of potential buyers around.


Added on July 17, 2011, 7:42 pmProperty Related Businesses are being well in Malaysia.

today IPC/Ikea are packed with crowds!!!! LOL
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They haven't spotted their dream house or the price is too high for them?
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They haven't spotted their dream house or the price is too high for them?
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good Q....I also don't know what they're waiting for. Maybe they got their plans in their minds.

some are aiming for commercial lots instead of house. drool.gif
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Lot of people around me are yet to buy any property. happy.gif lot of potential buyers around.


Added on July 17, 2011, 7:42 pmProperty Related Businesses are being well in Malaysia.

today IPC/Ikea are packed with crowds!!!! LOL
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Mind tell us which age group are those people?
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some of my close friends:
1. late 20s, just joined name with boyfriend bought one 400k property
2. mid 20s, heard him said want to buy property since few months back, but still at looking at iproperty / forum stage, have not move his butt to do some real site visit
3. early 30s, just got married, looking for a landed property to buy, but couldnt find any affordable one, given up, convinced herself that property price is too high and wait for a drop
4. early 30s, got married few years back, has been trying to refinance his house for few weeks, in progress, i guess is to pull out capital to buy another unit
5. mid 20s, just joined as a part time real estate agent
6. mid 20s, few months back heard him say want to buy a property, but now said the price is high and decided to continue to rent because do not want to tie down his financial
7. late 20s, have been looking for new apartment / condo, made some site visits with father but still have not managed to find any (for a silly reason, because the property those are leasehold)
8. mid 20s, jobless now, want to buy but still very blur about the whole buying property process
9 mid 20s, placed booking for one studio in shah alam
10. early 20s, staying with parents, still clueless about property
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some of my close friends:
1. late 20s, just joined name with boyfriend bought one 400k property
2. mid 20s, heard him said want to buy property since few months back, but still at looking at iproperty / forum stage, have not move his butt to do some real site visit
3. early 30s, just got married, looking for a landed property to buy, but couldnt find any affordable one, given up, convinced herself that property price is too high and wait for a drop
4. early 30s, got married few years back, has been trying to refinance his house for few weeks, in progress, i guess is to pull out capital to buy another unit
5. mid 20s, just joined as a part time real estate agent
6. mid 20s, few months back heard him say want to buy a property, but now said the price is high and decided to continue to rent because do not want to tie down his financial
7. late 20s, have been looking for new apartment / condo, made some site visits with father but still have not managed to find any (for a silly reason, because the property those are leasehold)
8. mid 20s, jobless now, want to buy but still very blur about the whole buying property process
9 mid 20s, placed booking for one studio in shah alam
10. early 20s, staying with parents, still clueless about property
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if above is the norm, then there is this new trend of mid20s wanting to buy prop when it was more like mid 30s with some savings before even thinking of buying in the past. which economies in the world permit mid-20s to buy own home easily?
according to report below, there may also be a situation now some fresh grads look for unrealistic pay but with some attitude as described by employers :
can we say high and maybe even unrealistic expectations is another issue besides rising prices? unsure.gif


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PETALING JAYA: Poor attitude -including asking for too much money - is the chief reason why employers shy away from hiring fresh graduates. Another common complaint is that many graduates are poor in English.

Another study by recruitment agency Kelly Services showed that fresh graduates asked for flexible working hours and expected their work to accommodate their personal life, not vice versa. Its marketing director Jeannie Khoo said employers were also turned off by the lackadaisical attitude and lack of drive to improve among many of them. “They have the misconception that they can earn high salaries at entry-level. They enter the banking industry expecting to earn RM3,000 while the market rate is only RM2,200,” she said.
http://www.malaysia-today.net/mtcolumns/sp...ith-fresh-grads


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my 2 cents on current prop scene.
obviously prop prices can only go 3 way. up, down or remain flat.
to know which direction we are heading for, we need to probe further.
what's the reason for these 3 phenomena.

flat:
this is easy. before we know the answer is gonna go up or down, most probably we are going for a flattish period. this usually happens in stock market. i think we are on this current trend currently. with prices peaking at areas and remaining flat. while some areas are still experiencing slight increases. but generally prices are stable and flattish currently.

down:
many forummers are perceiving this to occur in the quite immediate future. chances of it happening are high too. this imho, relies a lot on a few big factors. the pushing factors would be big financial bad news. and i mean really big bad news. heck if the japan meltdown can't even hit a dent in the stock and prop here, we need serious bearish news to bring the market down. perhaps the double dip. political tsunami. scandaloous news. etc. as a lot of people are at stake here, it's not gonna be easy to push prop prices down. therefore, the flat scene remains for now and could be in for a long time. my prediction of this (IF IT HAPPENS) is gonna be after GE. once after GE, all bets are off. irrespective of who wins, there's be tonnes of news coming out from both parties. there will be continuous negative reporting to depress everyone.

up:
many are sceptic of this. me too. but if one thinks carefully, chances of this happening is great too. developers are definitely giving a huge pushing hands in this. government too are constantly promoting this including the media. it doesn't hurt that the majority of people here (excluding foreigners) have yet to own a prop of their own. with PRIMA's introduction, props <rm300k would most probably be extinct by now.
for me, the biggest push to realise this is through foreign investment. if ETP succeeds, we could be set for another historic bull run which makes the 2006-2011 bull run looks bearish. i have said this many times and i will say it again. listen carefully. malaysia properties are dirt cheap. yes. dirt cheap to our neighbours. and our properties are not 3rd world standards. they are first class properties. on par with singaporean's condo that cost in excess of SGD3000psf.
do not underestimate the purchasing power of a lot of our malaysians working abroad too. if foreign investors coupled with chinamen do decide to go big in our country, they wouldn't leave any properties left for launches anymore.

so up, down or flat. it all depends on which you think is gonna happen the most.
as a true blue patriotic, i am sincerely wishing for a up. that will also signafy Malaysia is coming of age and start to become one of south east asia's leading country again. i do not wish to see us be exported to become maids in sillypore.
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QUOTE(kochin @ Jul 17 2011, 11:11 PM)
up:
many are sceptic of this. me too. but if one thinks carefully, chances of this happening is great too. developers are definitely giving a huge pushing hands in this. government too are constantly promoting this including the media. it doesn't hurt that the majority of people here (excluding foreigners) have yet to own a prop of their own. with PRIMA's introduction, props <rm300k would most probably be extinct by now.
for me, the biggest push to realise this is through foreign investment. if ETP succeeds, we could be set for another historic bull run which makes the 2006-2011 bull run looks bearish. i have said this many times and i will say it again. listen carefully. malaysia properties are dirt cheap. yes. dirt cheap to our neighbours. and our properties are not 3rd world standards. they are first class properties. on par with singaporean's condo that cost in excess of SGD3000psf.
do not underestimate the purchasing power of a lot of our malaysians working abroad too. if foreign investors coupled with chinamen do decide to go big in our country, they wouldn't leave any properties left for launches anymore.

so up, down or flat. it all depends on which you think is gonna happen the most.
as a true blue patriotic, i am sincerely wishing for a up. that will also signafy Malaysia is coming of age and start to become one of south east asia's leading country again. i do not wish to see us be exported to become maids in sillypore.
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salary remain stagnant, expatriates leaving in droves.
lots of africans, yes. But they are staying in mid-end condos with rental affordability similar to the average office worker. RM1000~RM1800 max.
i dont see any upside for foreign investors and mainland chinese to goreng our properties.


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property market in Malaysia are mainly supported by local buyers/investors.

No need to worry if the market down also. Holding it well and don't let go no matter what, cause you will have a big gain eventually.


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my 2 cents on current prop scene.
up:

i have said this many times and i will say it again. listen carefully. malaysia properties are dirt cheap. yes. dirt cheap to our neighbours.

sorry, i lost you... dun really understand... 2 sen followed by such a strong statement?

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sorry, i lost you... dun really understand... 2 sen followed by such a strong statement?
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aiyoh.
like this also want to char me meh?
blow water only mah. whistling.gif

~why so serious~ brows.gif
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QUOTE(kh8668 @ Jul 18 2011, 12:44 AM)
Lot of my friends in late 20s and early 30s. happy.gif

property market in Malaysia are mainly supported by local buyers/investors.

No need to worry if the market down also. Holding it well and don't let go no matter what, cause you will have a big gain eventually.
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there will be no auction if everyone Holding it well ... hehe.. Everyone also thought it... then the world is peace....

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Looking at the present condition of Malaysia. Don't see many foreigners like to buy properties in Malaysia. Even invest in stock market.
Also, for those Malaysian who got PR in other countries, don't see strong intention to come back to Malaysia.
Instead, I see some Malaysian migrated oversea.

IMHO, we can't use Singapore scenario to apply in Malaysia:-
1) Limitation of land in Singapore.
2) Political policies/stability in Singapore
3) Singapore in well known for its financial centre in South East Asia. Malaysia...???


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QUOTE(Nepo @ Jul 18 2011, 08:57 AM)
Looking at the present condition of Malaysia. Don't see many foreigners like to buy properties in Malaysia. Even invest in stock market.
Also, for those Malaysian who got PR in other countries, don't see strong intention to come back to Malaysia.
Instead, I see some Malaysian migrated oversea.

IMHO, we can't use Singapore scenario to apply in Malaysia:-
1) Limitation of land in Singapore.
2) Political policies/stability in Singapore
3) Singapore in well known for its financial centre in South East Asia. Malaysia...???


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"if Malaysia can convince the world that they are ready for serious business, think malaysia prop still have rooms to move up. but sadly, our present G'ment is still..."

it is not our present govt will, coz they read rakyat's mind from various surveys. look at the recent muslim youth respones u will understand, in short BN will only implement policies that suit the majority. (which 70-80% prefer to be conservative, refuse western world and being strong religious), oni one eception they reject polygamy, haha


Added on July 18, 2011, 9:49 amimagine what will happen the next 10,20, 30.. years (when the youth become the policy maker of msia), i am quite disappointed with the results, and planning my exit plan...

those hope prop to drop got chance oredi coz many ppl will dispose their prop (in next few years) due to the above reasons..

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"if Malaysia can convince the world that they are ready for serious business, think malaysia prop still have rooms to move up. but sadly, our present G'ment is still..."

it is not our present govt will, coz they read rakyat's mind from various surveys. look at the recent muslim youth respones u will understand, in short BN will only implement policies that suit the majority. (which 70-80% prefer to be conservative, refuse western world and being strong religious), oni one eception they reject polygamy, haha


Added on July 18, 2011, 9:49 amimagine what will happen the next 10,20, 30.. years (when the youth become the policy maker of msia), i am quite disappointed with the results, and planning my exit plan...

those hope prop to drop got chance oredi coz many ppl will dispose their prop (in next few years) due to the above reasons..
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many, in particular chinese are looking their way out of the country ... some are buying their way out. Anyone here prefer to work & permanently reside overseas given the chance?
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many, in particular chinese are looking their way out of the country ... some are buying their way out. Anyone here prefer to work & permanently reside overseas given the chance?
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yes I will. if not my aged mom, i will not return to Msia. I hv been working oversea for more than 15 years and came back to Msia 2 yrs ago.

as per the muslim youth survey, pls read more on merdeka centre or listen to today BFM 's current affiar . u can download from BFM website.
I dun want to discuss more on the results, pls do your own reading, study.
what i trying to say, msia will never become a first world country...(maybe towards Iran, Iraq??)
how this will affect prop prices?? u guess is same as mine..
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QUOTE(lucerne @ Jul 18 2011, 10:12 AM)
yes I will. if not my aged mom, i will not return to Msia. I hv been working oversea for more than 15 years and came back to Msia 2 yrs ago.

as per the muslim youth survey, pls read more on merdeka centre or listen to today BFM 's current affiar . u can download from BFM website.
I dun want to discuss more on the results, pls do your own reading, study.
what i trying to say, msia will never become a first world country...(maybe towards Iran, Iraq??)
how this will affect prop prices?? u guess is same as mine..
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sounds like you already lost faith in Bolehland.
muah? am still hanging there hoping for a miracle. 709 did provide a shimmer of hope still.
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To sum up, just use this theory to guess whether price will go up or down for landed and highrise. Demand>Supply=Up, Supply>Demand=Down.
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landed or highrise bought in 2008-2009, now subsale in market excellent.
to my knowledge, both categories are seeing 50-100% cap appr.
bought in 2010, coming onstream in 2012-2013, probably ok, cap appr 20-30%?
bought in 2011, will be tough.
launches for houses, freehold in particular, rare now. condos still launching. suites-apts-sohos-sovos -- no shortage, buy till you drop.

which ones will perform better from now on, obvious to me.
still gungho about prop price rising, go head and buy highrise now!
developers, bankers and appointed agents are waiting to see where the suckers will come from, make their day!! tongue.gif

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Property stocks got hit by lightning and falling from the sky. First indicator activated.
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anything goes up must come down ... just a matter of time. Invest wisely irregardless of good or bad time.
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anything goes up must come down ... just a matter of time. Invest wisely irregardless of good or bad time.
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Not true, due to inflation factor.

In 1973, terrace RM 30,000
In 1977, Semi-D RM 70,000
In 1986, Semi-D Rm 100K
In 1991, Terrace RM 110K
In 1992, terrace RM 120K
In 1993, Semi-D RM 150K
In 1996, Terrace RM 160K
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In 2004, Terrace RM 220K-RM240K
In 2004, Semi-D RM 340K-RM380K
In 2008, Terrace RM 280K
In 2008, Semi-D RM 450K
In 2010, Terrace RM 300K to 330K
In 2010, Semi-D RM RM480K to RM510K

Don't tell me terrace will go back to RM30,000 (year 1973).

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QUOTE(firee818 @ Jul 18 2011, 03:14 PM)
Not true, due to inflation factor.

In 1973, terrace RM 30,000
In 1977, Semi-D RM 70,000
In 1986, Semi-D Rm 100K
In 1991, Terrace RM 110K
In 1992, terrace RM 120K
In 1993, Semi-D RM 150K
In 1996, Terrace RM 160K
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In 2004, Terrace RM 220K-RM240K
In 2004, Semi-D RM 340K-RM380K
In 2008, Terrace RM 280K
In 2008, Semi-D RM 450K
In 2010, Terrace RM 300K to 330K
In 2010, Semi-D RM RM480K to RM510K

Don't tell me terrace will go back to RM30,000 (year 1973).
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Down to a support level lar .... like share market
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QUOTE(firee818 @ Jul 18 2011, 03:14 PM)
Not true, due to inflation factor.

In 1973, terrace RM 30,000
In 1977, Semi-D RM 70,000
In 1986, Semi-D Rm 100K
In 1991, Terrace RM 110K
In 1992, terrace RM 120K
In 1993, Semi-D RM 150K
In 1996, Terrace RM 160K
...
...
...
In 2004, Terrace RM 220K-RM240K
In 2004, Semi-D RM 340K-RM380K
In 2008, Terrace RM 280K
In 2008, Semi-D RM 450K
In 2010, Terrace RM 300K to 330K
In 2010, Semi-D RM RM480K to RM510K

Don't tell me terrace will go back to RM30,000 (year 1973).
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Perhaps not 1973, but the average property prices in the US are now back to the early 2000s. Similarly UK property prices are dialing back, with no "end" in sight (for the moment).

It is all down to affordability.

Lowering the cost of borrowing with interest rates OR extending the loan tenure does not equal to affordability.
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It is all down to affordability.
Lowering the cost of borrowing with interest rates OR extending the loan tenure does not equal to affordability.
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agree. thumbup.gif
but it does offer a short term window for speculators and developers to make a killing, gomen to drive up gdp numbers.
that, is about to end, imo.
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Property outlook turns cautious

KUALA LUMPUR: Industry players and research houses have started to turn cautious on the outlook of the property sector, especially in the higher-end segment, on the back of declining growth rate of residential loan approvals and poor external factors.

This comes amidst the rollout of some mega property projects such as the 1Malaysia People’s Housing Programme (PR1MA) and the impending development of large tracts of land surrounding Greater KL’s integrated urban transportation system.

“There have been mixed signals from the indicators, namely the (upward trend) transaction volumes and the (downward) growth rate of residential loan approval,” CLSA Asia Pacific Markets said in a research note on Wednesday.

“As such, we are becoming more cautious on the share price performance of the property developers and have downgraded our sector rating to ‘neutral’ from ‘overweight’,” it added.

CLSA said it believed certain elements of optimism of the physical market had been priced in the stock prices of the property developers.

“The persistent price growth for each quarter may not be sustainable going forward given that such strong performance had continued for the past six quarters consecutively,” it said.

Indeed, the KL property index had outperformed the KLCI last year and the first half of this year by 11.3% and 3.8% respectively, mainly supported by consistent year-on-year house price growth of 6% to 8% in each quarter since the fourth quarter of 2009.

Notwithstanding that, CLSA said the potential change in computing household loan based on net income rather than gross income, though currently just at the proposal stage, was likely to impact the higher-end residential units if implemented.

Nonetheless, an industry player said there shouldn’t be any worries as long as the location of the property was strategically situated but admitted that the sector’s outlook looked gloomy in the medium term.

“Although prices of these properties can still go down such as those seen during the Asian financial crisis in 1997, they will recover strongly when the economy is back on track,” an industry player said.

“But anything longer than two years from now, I can’t really tell. I am a bit cautious as the external factors are still looking pretty negative,” he added.

He said the external factors included the negative outlook in the US recovery story, spread of the eurozone debt crisis and inflationary pressure in countries such as China.

Indeed, the recovery of the US economy still looks bleak. According to a recent news report, the US trade gap widened much more than expected in May as a jump in oil prices helped push imports to the second highest level on record.

The trade deficit amounted to US$50.2 billion (RM150.6 billion), the highest since October 2008. This is on the back of its imports rising by 2.6% to US$225.1 billion, the highest since the record of US$231.6 billion set in July 2008 just before the global financial crisis took a huge toll on global trade.

Adding to that was the persistent euro sovereign debt woes. Moody’s Investors Service on Tuesday, cut Ireland’s credit rating to junk status, saying the country will likely need further official financing before it can return to international capital markets.

Although growth in China still remained intact despite annual gross domestic product (GDP) growth easing to 9.5% in 2Q11 from 9.7% the previous quarter, inflationary pressure still remained a major concern in the world’s second largest economy.

An analyst said although projects such as the PR1MA and MY Rapid Transit would continue to give a boost to the property sector, the overall economic growth of the country was still dependent on its trading partners.

According to a report quoting International Trade and Industry Minister Datuk Seri Mustapa Mohamed, US and China topped the country’s top five export destinations in 2010.

Nevertheless, property launches are still hot in the country. For one, Mah Sing Group Bhd recently rolled out its RM3 billion Icon City, located at the intersection of Damansara-Puchong Highway and the Federal Highway in Petaling Jaya.

According to news report, the first phase of the project, 30 Jewels, comprising seven- and eight-storey lifestyle shop offices was recently previewed and 19 units valued at RM192 million were taken up.

The second phase, which comprises two- and three-storey retail lots, small office versatile offices and residential units, are now opened for registration. According to news reports, the offices, with built-ups of 750 sq ft and 990sq ft, were priced from RM750 psf.

With the gloomy outlook in the global economies and declining growth rate of residential loan approvals in Malaysia, it remains to be seen if the property sector, be it property stocks or property prices, can sustain its growth in time to come.


This article appeared in The Edge Financial Daily, July 15, 2011.

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QUOTE(firee818 @ Jul 18 2011, 03:14 PM)
Not true, due to inflation factor.

In 1973, terrace RM 30,000
In 1977, Semi-D RM 70,000
In 1986, Semi-D Rm 100K
In 1991, Terrace RM 110K
In 1992, terrace RM 120K
In 1993, Semi-D RM 150K
In 1996, Terrace RM 160K
...
...
...
In 2004, Terrace RM 220K-RM240K
In 2004, Semi-D RM 340K-RM380K
In 2008, Terrace RM 280K
In 2008, Semi-D RM 450K
In 2010, Terrace RM 300K to 330K
In 2010, Semi-D RM RM480K to RM510K

Don't tell me terrace will go back to RM30,000 (year 1973).
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of course, it wont fall back to 1973 smile.gif
reason being is because assets are measured in currency (dollar / ringgit) and not REAL money as in value. The number of dollars are printed out increases every year. Thanks to QE1 and QE2, suddenly trillion of dollar exist out of thin air. When US prints, the whole would HAVE TO follow to print, else it would be too expensive for US to consume the products / services. Now there are more ringgit chasing the exact same item. There is only one direction for the 'value' measured in currency , which is UP.
Whether price would fall back to affordability level, it depends on demand and supply. Assuming that we now have more higher income Generation-Y, very unlikely the price would have a big fall. The moments the market has a 5%-10% correction, people would start jumping in for the 'good deal'. On the flip side of the coin, if our Generation-Y does not earn an income that matches with the property affordability level, then....
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QUOTE(property101 @ Jul 18 2011, 07:05 PM)
of course, it wont fall back to 1973 smile.gif
reason being is because assets are measured in currency (dollar / ringgit) and not REAL money as in value. The number of dollars are printed out increases every year. Thanks to QE1 and QE2, suddenly trillion of dollar exist out of thin air. When US prints, the whole would HAVE TO follow to print, else it would be too expensive for US to consume the products / services. Now there are more ringgit chasing the exact same item. There is only one direction for the 'value' measured in currency , which is UP.
Whether price would fall back to affordability level, it depends on demand and supply. Assuming that we now have more higher income Generation-Y, very unlikely the price would have a big fall. The moments the market has a 5%-10% correction, people would start jumping in for the 'good deal'. On the flip side of the coin, if our Generation-Y does not earn an income that matches with the property affordability level, then....
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I'm agree with you but the current property price is definite having bubble existed. I do agree with the chart line that a semi D should be price arounf 5xx - 600k in 2011 but with this current price now, you will probably get a double storey house with this price. lol
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KLSE not doing well, perhaps it is time to SSS now.
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prop price is closely associated with klse???
so if one day klse shoots 10 points, you are going to purchase props?
and if klse downs 10 points you sell your props?? hmm.gif
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Hi, is it happening already? not very familiar with the stock market, thanks in advance  notworthy.gif
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No la. Still a long way to go. Stocks are just a reflection of investors' confidence in the property sector on a short term outlook. Stocks can go down today and go up 3 months later. But it is an indicator cause you can't see prop stocks going up while the prop market is bad, both are correlated directly proportional.

Normally property is the last asset that people will dispose of in a bad financial situation. Everyone wants to own a piece of that pie. This idea is rooted deeply inside everybody's mind, especially Chinese.

Prop stocks are the first indicator, and there are many indicators to check before you actually see prices dropping. As of now, people still dancing, dining and buying like before, means the economy is still good, it won't affect property prices any time soon. icon_rolleyes.gif


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This is true in the US. Dow sell down actually contribute to the property bubble bursting in 2008. Lehman Brothers

In US, people can use stocks holdings' value as a collateral to borrow money from banks. Due to property boom, many actually borrow through this way to buy property. So when the Dow drops due to Lehman, the collateral value of the loan drops, so banks ask for more collateral in cash or in assets. Many are forced to either sell their stocks or their properties to protect their positions. The chain effect started and the rest is history.......

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No la. Still a long way to go. Stocks are just a reflection of investors' confidence in the property sector on a short term outlook. Stocks can go down today and go up 3 months later. But it is an indicator cause you can't see prop stocks going up while the prop market is bad, both are correlated directly proportional.

Normally property is the last asset that people will dispose of in a bad financial situation. Everyone wants to own a piece of that pie. This idea is rooted deeply inside everybody's mind, especially Chinese.

Prop stocks are the first indicator, and there are many indicators to check before you actually see prices dropping. As of now, people still dancing, dining and buying like before, means the economy is still good, it won't affect property prices any time soon.    icon_rolleyes.gif


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This is true in the US. Dow sell down actually contribute to the property bubble bursting in 2008. Lehman Brothers

In US, people can use stocks holdings' value as a collateral to borrow money from banks. Due to property boom, many actually borrow through this way to buy property. So when the Dow drops due to Lehman, the collateral value of the loan drops, so banks ask for more collateral in cash or in assets. Many are forced to either sell their stocks or their properties to protect their positions. The chain effect started and the rest is history.......
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It is the other way round.

It is subprime loan and properties bubble bursting that send stock market plunging.
Banks have lot of subprime loan, which being defaulted causing bank losing money on the loan as well as through underwriting CDS.

It is unsustainable bubble of properties burst itself, not stock market causing it.
In fact, when the properties bubble burst time, stock market still hold up relative well, until Bear Stern and Lehman issue unfold, only then people realise it is more serious than most people think, because most people even banks themselves may no fully aware how deep the hole they had digged.

Recently we have properties stock plunging here, is more on new accounting standard which is proposed to be adopted in near future, whereby sales/revenue only can be registered after the project is completed, compared to current accounting practice which can take in progressive payment or stage of project completed as revenue.
So we may see some properties company registered huge loss when the project is not yet completed time.
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It is the other way round.

It is subprime loan and properties bubble bursting that send stock market plunging.
Banks have lot of subprime loan, which being defaulted causing bank losing money on the loan as well as through underwriting CDS.

It is unsustainable bubble of properties burst itself, not stock market causing it.
In fact, when the properties bubble burst time, stock market still hold up relative well, until Bear Stern and Lehman issue unfold, only then people realise it is more serious than most people think, because most people even banks themselves may no fully aware how deep the hole they had digged.

Recently we have properties stock plunging here, is more on new accounting standard which is proposed to be adopted in near future, whereby sales/revenue only can be registered after the project is completed, compared to current accounting practice which can take in progressive payment or stage of project completed as revenue.
So we may see some properties company registered huge loss when the project is not yet completed time.
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Thank you notworthy.gif for clearing up the misconception.

So the fundamentals are intact. However another round of interest rate hike is around the corner, that might change things.
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Thank you  notworthy.gif  for clearing up the misconception.

So the fundamentals are intact. However another round of interest rate hike is around the corner, that might change things.
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what!! ?? another interest rate hike ?
i thought BNM baru saja increases the SRR ?? i thought no more surprise from BNM ??
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what!! ??  another interest rate hike ?
i thought BNM baru saja increases the SRR ?? i thought no more surprise from BNM ??
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For reading:

http://www.btimes.com.my/Current_News/BTIM...rup060/Article/

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-07-15/r...t-concerns.html

http://www.btimes.com.my/Current_News/BTIM...icle/index_html

http://biz.thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?f...71&sec=business

Note: thestar and NST title is dubiously phrased in such a way that gives you the perception that inflation has peaked, so no need to worry anymore. Then the contents actually talked about the inflationary pressure still there and need to be contained by another round of interest rate hike. mad.gif

Despite the prediction that inflation has peaked in June, but the fact is, it has not. If we are to look at how the Government calculate inflation rate, the bulk of that weightage is hinged on petrol prices. We all know the petrol price is subsidized, artificial in another word. Therefore any small hike in petrol prices will move the inflation rate higher by a large margin. We all know by heart the Government can't hold this petrol price for long...... Somewhere need to give in to the global economic changes... unsure.gif

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if we look at the forex trading... the forex level now is similar in 2007/2008... W

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lucky bulk of my sgd is still park in Sg. the exhcange now >2.47. soon will touch 2.5-2.6, same as USD, 15 years ago (1997 b4 crisis). another 15 years MYR will become Vietnam Dong. anopther 15 years--> Zimbabwe??
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lucky bulk of my sgd is still park in Sg. the exhcange now >2.47. soon will touch 2.5-2.6, same as USD, 15 years ago (1997 b4 crisis). another 15 years MYR will become Vietnam Dong. anopther 15 years--> Zimbabwe??
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laugh.gif Not so bad la. M'sia is stuck now at current level, cannot move up or move down. Another 15 years maybe Vietnam moves up to Malaysia level now.. tongue.gif
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lucky bulk of my sgd is still park in Sg. the exhcange now >2.47. soon will touch 2.5-2.6, same as USD, 15 years ago (1997 b4 crisis). another 15 years MYR will become Vietnam Dong. anopther 15 years--> Zimbabwe??
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hows the bank interest? I heard its almost 0% in SG

anyway some small condos 900-1100 has risen about 400k now, I wonder how those who bought at 400k sustain. and with a few new launch here and there.

Wont the condo market be hit hard when the interest rates goes up?


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US & EU got more interesting news... let's see how it goes...
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PETALING JAYA: CIMB Research expects the proposal by Bank Negara to modify the mode of calculation for household loans to curb domestic speculation in the local property sector to have only a short-term impact.

“We think that any measures to curb domestic speculation are likely to have only a short-lived impact on physical property sales, as was the case when a flat 5% RPGT (real property gains tax) was levied in October 2009 and an LTV (loan-to-value) ratio of 70% was imposed on the third-property purchase in November 2010.

“In both cases, the impact on the real property market was a wait-and-see attitude by buyers for two to three months before they rushed back into the market when they realised that house prices were firm and still rising,” it said yesterday.

The research report was in reference to a recent local news story which reported that the central bank had issued a white paper to obtain feedback on the possibility of basing the calculation of household loans (mortgage and hire purchase) on net pay instead of gross pay.

“The report is yet to be confirmed and even if the measure is implemented, we believe it could be mild as the intention is to curb speculation, not hammer overall sentiment.

“Even if we assume the worst-case scenario where a change in the calculation results in a 26% fall in affordability, in line with the maximum personal tax rate, the affordability ratio is still very healthy,” said CIMB.

CIMB noted that a share prices of property stocks had been on a downtrend since the news report, which also spilled over to construction companies with significant property exposure.

The research house believes that the Government would be careful not to implement measures that would have too negative an impact on the property sector as it would still want to encourage home ownership, and restrictions would have the opposite effect.

“The Government hopes to unlock the value of its idle land in the Klang Valley and measures that would hurt the sector could result in lower bids for the land, and the performance of the property sector affects other key sectors of the economy and property restrictions in the run-up to general elections may not be popular,” it said.


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The research report was in reference to a recent local news story which reported that the central bank had issued a white paper to obtain feedback on the possibility of basing the calculation of household loans (mortgage and hire purchase) on net pay instead of gross pay.

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If loan affordability is calculated based on net pay, it will be people like me, the "cukup makan" type that will suffer. Speculators are rich, net pay just means that they buy one less house. But for the average malaysian, net pay means diminished affordability.

Sigh, there goes my big dreams of buying landed property. Guess I'll be staying in my pigeon hole apartment for decades to come tongue.gif
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PETALING JAYA: CIMB Research expects the proposal by Bank Negara to modify the mode of calculation for household loans to curb domestic speculation in the local property sector to have only a short-term impact.
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Short term impact. hmm.gif More or less of my expectation. The reason being that Msia property market is supported by REAL demand. The majority of Msia population just entering buying property age.

The reason speculators can fester are due to there are huge demands for property still.

QUOTE(Beth79 @ Jul 21 2011, 10:09 AM)
If loan affordability is calculated based on net pay, it will be people like me, the "cukup makan" type that will suffer. Speculators are rich, net pay just means that they buy one less house. But for the average malaysian, net pay means diminished affordability.

Sigh, there goes my big dreams of buying landed property. Guess I'll be staying in my pigeon hole apartment for decades to come tongue.gif
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Actually I think it is good to calculate based on net pay, for the actual buyers and to the stability of the property market in the long run. Some buyers tend to over-stretch their limit based on gross pay which cause problems later on. smile.gif

Pigeon hole apartment got its benefits as well, at least it is easier to maintain. biggrin.gif
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Short term impact.  hmm.gif  More or less of my expectation. The reason being that Msia property market is supported by REAL demand. The majority of Msia population just entering buying property age.

The reason speculators can fester are due to there are huge demands for property still. 
Actually I think it is good to calculate based on net pay, for the actual buyers and to the stability of the property market in the long run. Some buyers tend to over-stretch their limit based on gross pay which cause problems later on.  smile.gif 

Pigeon hole apartment got its benefits as well, at least it is easier to maintain.  biggrin.gif
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actually the prop jump about 30% is not just in malaysia... can said in majority of Asia country due to hot $$...
there are still many many pigeon hole without a pigeon...
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actually the prop jump about 30% is not just in malaysia... can said in majority of Asia country due to hot $$...
there are still many many pigeon hole without a pigeon...
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Hot $$ can only jump to stock market and million++ properties. It won't jump to a few 100K properties.

IMO, majority of Asia countries property goes up is more due to inflation affecting the cost of building. The cost of building is mostly consisted of 3 major things, cement, steel and labour (maybe petrol also). Only cement is locally source, the other 2 are imported. biggrin.gif

Ok, hot $$ might have contribute to inflation. But IMO the effect of hot $$ inflation is more negative to properties value. Why? Because hot $$ tends to generate more money supply into the population, so people have more cash to spend causing essential goods prices to rise, BNM then force to increase interest rate to counter inflation, thus causing people to have less desirable to buy property.
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The research report was in reference to a recent local news story which reported that the central bank had issued a white paper to obtain feedback on the possibility of basing the calculation of household loans (mortgage and hire purchase) on net pay instead of gross pay.

“The report is yet to be confirmed and even if the measure is implemented, we believe it could be mild as the intention is to curb speculation, not hammer overall sentiment.

this is a little funny to me. in the past, banks observed rule instalment <1/3 of monthly gross pay. then it went to 1/2, even 2/3 in some cases.
if net pay is used to calculate, what's the difference if banks apply 100%. 120% of monthly net pay? tongue.gif
really, gomen has little heart to slow household lending or slow construction since that's the only big tool they have to keep gdp going.
at the expense of massive future debt problems, of course. gomen of the day does not always care about gomen of the future.
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this is a little funny to me. in the past, banks observed rule instalment <1/3 of monthly gross pay. then it went to 1/2, even 2/3 in some cases.
if net pay is used to calculate, what's the difference if banks apply 100%. 120% of monthly net pay? tongue.gif
really, gomen has little heart to slow household lending or slow construction since that's the only big tool they have to keep gdp going.
at the expense of massive future debt problems, of course. gomen of the day does not always care about gomen of the future.
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Hot $$ can only jump to stock market and million++ properties. It won't jump to a few 100K properties.
IMO, majority of Asia countries property goes up is more due to inflation affecting the cost of building. The cost of building is mostly consisted of 3 major things, cement, steel and labour (maybe petrol also). Only cement is locally source, the other 2 are imported.  biggrin.gif
Ok, hot $$ might have contribute to inflation. But IMO the effect of hot $$ inflation is more negative to properties value. Why? Because hot $$ tends to generate more money supply into the population, so people have more cash to spend causing essential goods prices to rise, BNM then force to increase interest rate to counter inflation, thus causing people to have less desirable to buy property.
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i dun think the issue is about foreign hot money. there is plenty of hot money in singapore, hongkong and shanghai, not maresia.
foreign funds hot or cold have long shunned local market be it stocks or props due to reasons well known.
bnm probably have increased money supply; gomen bonds and sukuks have been quite a lot.
increase in domestic debt incl household debt riding on top of inflation from subsidy cuts and rising world food+commodty prices is the issue.
the thing that will bring disaster here is debt - not that different from greece, the other pigs and now suspected, italy.

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PETALING JAYA: CIMB Research expects the proposal by Bank Negara to modify the mode of calculation for household loans to curb domestic speculation in the local property sector to have only a short-term impact.

“We think that any measures to curb domestic speculation are likely to have only a short-lived impact on physical property sales, as was the case when a flat 5% RPGT (real property gains tax) was levied in October 2009 and an LTV (loan-to-value) ratio of 70% was imposed on the third-property purchase in November 2010.

“In both cases, the impact on the real property market was a wait-and-see attitude by buyers for two to three months before they rushed back into the market when they realised that house prices were firm and still rising,” it said yesterday.

The research report was in reference to a recent local news story which reported that the central bank had issued a white paper to obtain feedback on the possibility of basing the calculation of household loans (mortgage and hire purchase) on net pay instead of gross pay.

“The report is yet to be confirmed and even if the measure is implemented, we believe it could be mild as the intention is to curb speculation, not hammer overall sentiment.

“Even if we assume the worst-case scenario where a change in the calculation results in a 26% fall in affordability, in line with the maximum personal tax rate, the affordability ratio is still very healthy,” said CIMB.

CIMB noted that a share prices of property stocks had been on a downtrend since the news report, which also spilled over to construction companies with significant property exposure.

The research house believes that the Government would be careful not to implement measures that would have too negative an impact on the property sector as it would still want to encourage home ownership, and restrictions would have the opposite effect.

“The Government hopes to unlock the value of its idle land in the Klang Valley and measures that would hurt the sector could result in lower bids for the land, and the performance of the property sector affects other key sectors of the economy and property restrictions in the run-up to general elections may not be popular,” it said.


Added on July 21, 2011, 12:45 pmThe Star Online > Central
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Residents cry foul over steep quit rent increase

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RESIDENTS of Kelana D’Putera Condominium had a rude shock over the almost 200% increase in the quit rent.

They claimed that the quit rent has been increased from RM12,406 to RM34,128 within a year.

In a written reply to their official complaint, the Selangor Land and Mines Office explained that the hike was due to a conversion in land status from residential to a mixed development of residential and commercial approved in May 2008, which resulted in the higher rate.

The department also highlighted the quit rent was calculated based on the city rate of RM1.69 per sq m for residential and commercial buildings instead of the previous district rate as the area had been upgraded from Damansara district to Petaling Jaya City.

“Based on the revised rate, the quit rent for our condominium has been increased by a whopping 175% or RM21,722,” said condominium residents association committee member Datin Nor Aziah Sulaiman at a press conference chaired by Seri Setia assemblyman Nik Nazmi Nik Ahmad yesterday.

The residents claimed that the drastic increase in quit rent was due to three shop units in the clubhouse, which had been there for the past 10 years as a common facility for occupants of the 625 residential units.

“The residents had objected to having individual strata titles for the three shoplots, we did not apply for these three units to be converted for commercial use, why should we bear the high cost?” asked resident Francis Koh.

Nik Nazmi said the increase in quit rent was too drastic to be introduced at one go even if there was a change in policy. He had appealed to the Land and Mines Office to meet the residents to review the matter.

“We have heard that residents of some other condominiums also face the problem of paying high quit rent as a building that also houses shop units is categorised as mixed development. We will look into this,” he said.

Also at the press conference were representatives from Tiara Kelana Condominiums in Kelana Jaya, who highlighted that the Petaling Jaya City Council (MBPJ) had yet to take over garbage collection for high-rise residential buildings as promised in February.

Resident Peggy Liu said the residents were still paying a private company RM2,300 per month for garbage collection, in addition to the high assessment of about RM1,200 they had to pay compared with about RM600 paid by bungalow dwellers.

“MBPJ had promised they would take over garbage collection for all condominiums in PJ so the maintenance fees we pay can be put to better use.

“But five months have passed now and we still have not seen MBPJ doing what they have promised,” she said.

MBPJ public relations officer Zainun Zakaria said the residents could have misunderstood the message as the council had never promised to take over garbage collection for high-rise residential buildings.

“Garbage collection for high-rise residential buildings still falls under their joint management bodies, MBPJ has never said it would take over the job,” she said.

Zainun added local councils had only been directed by the state government to take over the cleaning of an area while garbage collection was still under Alam Flora.

“In PJ, we are still in the final stage of getting contractors for the cleaning exercise and we should be able to get it started by August,” she said.



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Senior executive: Law posing outside Henry Butcher's office in George Town.


Penangites working in China and Singapore are taking up property in Penang, thus providing a stable demand to drive the growth of the local property market this year.

Henry Butcher Malaysia (Penang) Sdn Bhd senior business development manager Law Beng Yeow said that Penang’s residential properties would continue to be attractive despite a slowing GDP forecast, which was expected to be around 5.5% to 6%, compared to about 7% a year ago.

“Penang is on the map of many overseas Penangites, especially those working in China and Singapore, who want to leverage the strong foreign currencies they are earning to invest in local properties, which are still priced competitively in the Asian region,” Law said.

“They go for landed and high rise in choice locations such as properties in Pulau Tikus, Tanjong Tokong, Tanjung Bungah, Batu Ferringhi and Green Lane.

“The demand is reflected in the increase in the selling prices of such properties in the secondary market,” Law said in an interview held in conjunction with tomorrow’s ninth Star Property Fair 2011 in Penang, which will be held at Gurney Plaza and the adjoining G Hotel from Thursday to Sunday.

Law said landed property in these neighbourhoods transacted in the secondary market have risen by about 10% compared to last year, while high-rise properties have risen between 5% and 10%, all depending on the location, size and specifications.

“For example, an average size landed terraced unit with a built-up area of approximately 2,000sq ft to 3,000sq ft is now priced between RM1mil and RM1.5mil, up from about 10% from last year,” said Law.

“For a semi-detached unit with a built around 3,000sq ft to 4,000sq ft, the current price ranges from RM1.8mil to RM2.8mil, up from about 10% from last year.

“A condominium unit with a built-up area of about 2,500sq ft to 5,000sq ft is priced between RM700,000 to RM3mil, about an increase of 5% to 10% growth from last year’s pricing.”

He said new landed and high rise property in these areas to be launched soon were expected to be priced slightly higher from the present price levels in the secondary market.

“The local property market is expected to continue to grow but at a slower pace this year, as we have already seen a big rush to take up properties in 2010,” Law added.

On the high prices of Penang property, Henry Butcher Malaysia (Penang) vice-president Shawn Ong said the cap on the third property loan to 70% had deterred speculators from coming into the property scene.

“Those coming in now are genuine investors with the cash to hold to the property.

“High commodity prices and the volatile stock market overseas are continuing to prompt medium and long-term investors to take up properties, which are considered to be lower-risk,” he said.

Ong added that the trend forward was towards medium market properties, as developers were taking into consideration the affordability level of home purchasers.

“This is why we are seeing more recent developments in the past 12 months of high-rise units on the island, with built-up of over 1,000sq ft, priced between the RM300,000 and RM500,000 range, which have received overwhelming response.

“Such property are now being developed in Bayan Baru, Bayan Lepas, and Air Itam townships,” he said.

The Star Property Fair 2011, organised by The Star in collaboration with Henry Butcher, will be open to the public from 10am to 10pm daily, and admission is free.

To date, 28 major developers — representing almost all the big boys in the industry — along with several financial institutions, have taken up booths at the Star Property Fair.

The fair will also see RM30,000 worth of prizes to be won for the ‘Surf, Click & Win’ contest which is sponsored by IJM Land.


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Thursday July 21, 2011

Residents cry foul over steep quit rent increase

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RESIDENTS of Kelana D’Putera Condominium had a rude shock over the almost 200% increase in the quit rent.

They claimed that the quit rent has been increased from RM12,406 to RM34,128 within a year.

“We have heard that residents of some other condominiums also face the problem of paying high quit rent as a building that also houses shop units is categorised as mixed development. We will look into this,” he said.

is Kelana Puteri affected? Kelana also have a few shops inside eg mini market, cafeteria, salon, laundry etc.
so the quit rent will increase after they obtain the strata title??


Added on July 21, 2011, 2:12 pmreally dun understand why MPPJ is so stupid, they can just divide the commercial and residential prop la. hope DBKL is smarter.

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good info.
important to note that both thailand and vietnam yield is even worse than ours.
would have love to see jakarta added in the survey.
i'd been stressing this endless time. malaysia price is dirt cheap compared to our neighbours.
st regis at rm1.6k - 2k psf is dirt cheap compared to their name marketed in overseas. no wonder it is a sellout.
foreigners would not hesitate to buy up the brand at a fraction of their original price in thier home country.
on a crude scale, imagine this.
say a coach handbag in malaysia selling at RM3k.
u go say US and the exact same handbag or slight variation of it but still a coach handbag is selling at say USD300. no doubt most people will grab it, right?

just had breakfast with a hongkie today.
told me the highest currently is either HKD60kpsf or HKD30kpsf (i cannot remember).
an average university grad entering the workforce is around HKD12k/mth.
they also crying about affordability of property purchasing.
furthermore their minimum downpayment is 30% and goes higher if property price is higher.


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QUOTE(kochin @ Jul 21 2011, 02:48 PM)
good info.
important to note that both thailand and vietnam yield is even worse than ours.
would have love to see jakarta added in the survey.
i'd been stressing this endless time. malaysia price is dirt cheap compared to our neighbours.
st regis at rm1.6k - 2k psf is dirt cheap compared to their name marketed in overseas. no wonder it is a sellout.
foreigners would not hesitate to buy up the brand at a fraction of their original price in thier home country.
on a crude scale, imagine this.
say a coach handbag in malaysia selling at RM3k.
u go say US and the exact same handbag or slight variation of it but still a coach handbag is selling at say USD300. no doubt most people will grab it, right?

just had breakfast with a hongkie today.
told me the highest currently is either HKD60kpsf or HKD30kpsf (i cannot remember).
an average university grad entering the workforce is around HKD12k/mth.
they also crying about affordability of property purchasing.
furthermore their minimum downpayment is 30% and goes higher if property price is higher.
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hongkong reli cham.. what to do.. their land so little..
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QUOTE(lucerne @ Jul 21 2011, 02:06 PM)
is Kelana Puteri affected? Kelana also have a few shops inside eg mini market, cafeteria, salon, laundry etc. 
so the quit rent will increase after they obtain the strata title??


Added on July 21, 2011, 2:12 pmreally dun understand why MPPJ is so stupid, they can just divide the commercial and residential prop la. hope DBKL is smarter.
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Not that they are stupid but pretend to be stupid lah.

Remember just few yrs ago we wrote complaint letter to MBPJ abt the high assessment charges of 8% tax from council. They info us last min like 1 wk to attend the council meeting to raise any complaint. Noticed more than 20 complaint letters on the list but only 3 people attended. WTF last min notice, working hour, 3 hrs waiting, then during the council meeting chairman said it all, kena told off some more by the the idiot chairman. Remember told the chairman: 'over here we got nearly 1000 units, each unit paying >$1000 per annum to MBPJ, you got RM1 mil, what did you do with our money? How come still so many potholes and traffic light not working properly, narrow lane, jam? Still remember vividly the arrogant chaimeh said 'You Talk Rubbish!' Should have walked out but decided to stay put just to give face. Regretted for not doing tat caused in the end, wasted my time, they didn't reduce even 1 cent. But glad after 308, bye bye bloody blood suckers! Assessment fees dropped by nearly 30% from 8% tax to 6% tax. Council chairman talked rubbish saying need to go thru Parliament debate, Cabinet approval blah blah. Good riddance rclxms.gif

But of course next step is to support council election. Still plenty of rubbish inside. Need time to clean up. Think dbkl worst seeing the way they work. Rubbish trucks spilling smelly water everyday along major roads and cbd areas like Sultan Ismail. Tons of rubbish behind back lanes of Bukit Bintang. Wow, what a way to welcome foreign tourists. Also pvc broken drain covers all around the city, may be try to booby trap some tourists. 1Malaysia culture lah. Only solution is to sack the idiots laugh.gif


Added on July 21, 2011, 4:00 pm
QUOTE(kochin @ Jul 21 2011, 02:48 PM)
good info.
important to note that both thailand and vietnam yield is even worse than ours.
would have love to see jakarta added in the survey.
i'd been stressing this endless time. malaysia price is dirt cheap compared to our neighbours.
st regis at rm1.6k - 2k psf is dirt cheap compared to their name marketed in overseas. no wonder it is a sellout.
foreigners would not hesitate to buy up the brand at a fraction of their original price in thier home country.
on a crude scale, imagine this.
say a coach handbag in malaysia selling at RM3k.
u go say US and the exact same handbag or slight variation of it but still a coach handbag is selling at say USD300. no doubt most people will grab it, right?

just had breakfast with a hongkie today.
told me the highest currently is either HKD60kpsf or HKD30kpsf (i cannot remember).
an average university grad entering the workforce is around HKD12k/mth.
they also crying about affordability of property purchasing.
furthermore their minimum downpayment is 30% and goes higher if property price is higher.
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Remember correctly Jakarta higher cost than KL but ROI also higher like nearly 10%.

More 10yrs ago my hongki fren said I stayed in jungle when visited my hometown. I was laughing in my heart thinking he was so ignorant didn't know how comfortable life in My. laugh.gif

Yup, actually Malaysia is a wonderful country. Good life and cheap. But a lot of folks tot foreign moon is rounder. But of course our currency screwed up, thks to the cronies lah for screwing country natural resource for the past 30 yrs, building white elephants aft white elephants rather than building human resource. Another 10yrs down the road when natural resources depleted guess thing will be worst here.

But looking at positive side, looking at Indo, no matter how bad things become in future, we will survive. With Air Asia, export of cheap labor oversea will be a growing trend. High speed train to Sg ... when going to start? Sporeans be prepared to lose more jobs wink.gif

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Loan-deposit ratio at 7½-year high
Written by Joyce Goh
Thursday, 21 July 2011 11:37

KUALA LUMPUR: The banking industry’s loan-to-deposit (LD) ratio recently hit a 7½-year high, which could likely spur further competition for deposits, slow the pace of loan growth and raise borrowing costs.

In February, the LD ratio rose to 81.9% and remained at 81.8% in May, according to data by ECM Libra Research.

Its previous high was 82.8% in October 2003 and dropped to a low of 68.9% in March 2007.

A high LD ratio shows a diminishing source of funding avenue for loan growth from deposits, as loan growth has outpaced that of deposits in recent years.

Analysts also attribute the slower growth in deposits to alternative — and higher yielding — investments available to the public, such as equities and properties. These classes of assets are seen as offering higher yields and providing a better hedge against inflation compared with fixed deposits.

As such, banking analysts believe that competition for deposits among banks will likely continue to intensify. This could increase higher funding costs for banks, which in turn could result in either narrower margins or higher lending rates, likely through larger spreads over the base lending rate (BLR).

“It’s easier to grow loans given the strong demand in the property sector, the primary engine of loan growth. In the past, banks have lazy balance sheets compared to now. The (previously low) LD ratio then provided room to grow loans, even when deposit growth lagged behind.

“But today, the competition landscape has changed as banks are competing not just for loans but also deposits. While fixed deposits still form the major source of retail deposits, competition is also heating up for CASA (current account savings account) deposits,” ECM Libra’s head of research Bernard Ching told The Edge Financial Daily.



“Besides retail deposits, other funding avenues for loans include interbank deposits, term funding and equity. However, these types of funding are more expensive than retail deposits. As such, should retail deposit growth continue to lag behind loan growth, banks may have to look for more expensive sources of funding. This will add further pressure to NIM (net interest margin) which has been depressed by intense competition in the mortgage market,” he added.

Indeed, the rush for deposits is highlighted by some aggressive campaigns for deposits in the last few months, which include lucky draw prizes, free gifts and step-up tiered interest rates. Public Bank, for instance, is offering 10 prizes each month for six months up to September for new customers who open a savings or current account. Each winner will get between RM6,800 and RM36,800.

While the LD ratio has climbed, the financing-deposit ratio also recently touched a multi-year high.

The financing-deposit ratio includes the financing and deposits of the Islamic banking industry, apart from the conventional banks.

Since mid 2010, the financing-deposit ratio has hovered around 88%, which is an almost 7-year high. The last it was at that level was in November 2004, when it was at 88.7%.

“The financing-deposit ratio gives a more complete picture as it includes financing and deposits from Islamic banking activities,” said Ching.

He added that the recent hike in the SRR (statutory reserve requirement) would have an impact on the cost of funding, but would not affect the competition for deposits as much.

Bank Negara Malaysia (BNM) recently raised the SRR by 100 basis points (bps) to 4%. This 100bps increase is seen as normalising the SRR to the pre-2009 financial crisis level of 4%. The SRR was maintained at this level for 10 years — from September 1998 to November 2008.

Despite the SRR’s increase from 1% to the current 4%, it is still significantly below its 13.5% peak in June 1996, as well as the post-1997 financial crisis’ 12-year average of 4.9%.

Meanwhile, Lim Sue Lin from HwangDBS Vickers believes banks will also be pushing for deposits to fulfil the Basel III requirements for liquidity purposes.

“There are no minimum requirements for now, but it is subject to an announcement later. It’s some buckets of liquidity that they have to maintain,” the senior banking analyst told The Edge Financial Daily.

BNM statistics show that loans expanded 13.7% year-on-year to RM934.5 billion in May this year while deposits grew 11.3% to RM1.19 trillion. According to the central bank’s 2010 financial stability and payment systems report, some 31% of household financial asset comprises deposits with banking institutions and development financial institutions.

Another analyst noted that the fact that loan growth is outpacing deposit growth shows that Malaysian households are borrowing more than they save, which is also reflected in the country’s high household debt-to-GDP ratio.

“Household debt has increased but salaries for most of the general population have not grown in tandem,” he said, explaining that a large amount of a person’s income currently goes towards servicing housing and car loans. “With rising inflation, households’ disposable income will fall and there is less money to save,” he added.

The household debt-to-GDP ratio in Malaysia has risen since 2008, hitting 75.9% in 2010. Meanwhile, the household debt service ratio – the ratio of household debt payments to disposable income – was 47.8% last year. This means that Malaysians spend nearly half of their pay on servicing loans.


This article appeared in The Edge Financial Daily, July 21, 2011.



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Added on July 21, 2011, 4:00 pm
Remember correctly Jakarta higher cost than KL but ROI also higher like nearly 10%.

More 10yrs ago my hongki fren said I stayed in jungle when visited my hometown. I was laughing in my heart thinking he was so ignorant didn't know how comfortable life in My.  laugh.gif

Yup, actually Malaysia is a wonderful country. Good life and cheap. But a lot of folks tot foreign moon is rounder. But of course our currency screwed up, thks to the cronies lah for screwing country natural resource for the past 30 yrs, building white elephants aft white elephants rather than building human resource. Another 10yrs down the road when natural resources depleted guess thing will be worst here.

But looking at positive side, looking at Indo, no matter how bad things become in future, we will survive. With Air Asia, export of cheap labor oversea will be a growing trend. High speed train to Sg ... when going to start? Sporeans be prepared to lose more jobs  wink.gif
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agree.
the hongkie said the same thing and also acknowledge it.
he said hk life is no life. small unit apartment. worse if there's more occupants in it. they may have a lot of high tech stuff in it like large 3d led tv bcos they afford it. latest gizmo and gadget. latest clothing and all. but not much enjoyment from their dwellings. due to prop expensiveness, most units are shared with a lot of family member. they feel cramped and stuff. daily wait for bathroom is also intolerable. therefore hk business is thriving bcos nobody likes going home so they just stayed at the streets most of the time. they just go home to shower and sleep only.
and business also suffer because prop too expensive and 80% of the revenue goes to rental.
we advise him if he quit anytime, he can afford any of the luxury klcc condo liao. no need work.
that's why hongkie 'must' go for trips every now or then to 'escape' from their jail.
luckily they can afford it else most of them will have gone bonkers.
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QUOTE(kochin @ Jul 21 2011, 09:33 PM)
agree.
the hongkie said the same thing and also acknowledge it.
he said hk life is no life. small unit apartment. worse if there's more occupants in it. they may have a lot of high tech stuff in it like large 3d led tv bcos they afford it. latest gizmo and gadget. latest clothing and all. but not much enjoyment from their dwellings. due to prop expensiveness, most units are shared with a lot of family member. they feel cramped and stuff. daily wait for bathroom is also intolerable. therefore hk business is thriving bcos nobody likes going home so they just stayed at the streets most of the time. they just go home to shower and sleep only.
and business also suffer because prop too expensive and 80% of the revenue goes to rental.
we advise him if he quit anytime, he can afford any of the luxury klcc condo liao. no need work.
that's why hongkie 'must' go for trips every now or then to 'escape' from their jail.
luckily they can afford it else most of them will have gone bonkers.
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Haha... On case to case, we are no where near the conditions of what experienced in HK. It may be more relevant to relates to Singapore but no where near to us nod.gif nod.gif

The reasons our property is affordable has to do with our low populations per acres and lower foreign investment icon_rolleyes.gif

Therefore it's unjustifiable for our property price match their's.

Btw, it maybe wrong to says 80% of the revenue of a shop in HK goes to rental. You have to understand, what experienced in HK is different from our's.

What they have is high density, in which a street shops may have 50,000 ppl passing by your shops within a day. If 10% of them visit your shops, that could contribute a healthy amount of sales volume and income already.

But look back @ Malaysia, it would be awesome for a shop in shopping complex to have that much of people.
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ya..human traffic flow is very important to retail sales.

also, purchasing power should be factored in as well.
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QUOTE(kochin @ Jul 21 2011, 03:48 PM)
just had breakfast with a hongkie today.
told me the highest currently is either HKD60kpsf or HKD30kpsf (i cannot remember).
an average university grad entering the workforce is around HKD12k/mth.
they also crying about affordability of property purchasing.
furthermore their minimum downpayment is 30% and goes higher if property price is higher.
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I happened to be at HK on July 1st, which is HK handover to China holiday. There was mass protest ala Bersih2.0 (protesters got permit to rally) on that day. HK ppl mostly protesting about high property prices that goes beyond the affordability level of majority want-to-be house buyers.

What happens in HK property is a catch-22 situation. If HK government lowers the prop prices, house owners won't be happy, and if continue with high prop price policy, want-to-buy house ppl won't be happy. Last time Tung Chee Hwa tries to change HK policy of maintaining high property prices and he got ousted in the end.

QUOTE(CKHong @ Jul 21 2011, 03:55 PM)
hongkong reli cham.. what to do.. their land so little..
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HK actually has twice as much land than Singapore, but most land is controlled by the government. I think HK only developed around 10% of their total land area. It is HK government policy to create high land value, thus translate to high property prices, since the days of the British rule.

The land cost for building an apartment building in HK is around 60% of the total cost, whilst in Msia, the max is only 30%. It is actually the high land cost that causing the high property prices in HK.

Therefore now HK ppl are pressuring their Government to release more land for building houses, in order to bring down house prices. Right now, HK government also mulling having a social housing scheme like HDB in order to cool down their over-heated property prices. However, the HK leader is hesitating to think about how not to end up like Tung Chee Hwa shall he proceeds with such plan. smile.gif

But then it is difficult for HK to lower their house prices in a free market. Every millionaires in China will like to own a piece of prop there given HK is still a better place for living (if you can afford it). And millionaires in China can easily out-number HK population. wink.gif
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go watch this documentary. produced during the peak of UK housing bubble and see how similar the situation compared to ours today.

Channel4.Dispatches..The.Housing.Trap.pdtv.XviD.mp3.Remax
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ya..human traffic flow is very important to retail sales.

also, purchasing power should be factored in as well.[U]
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i believe purchasing power is one thing and mentality is another.

2000 - 2010 -alot of young ppl rather buy a new car , e.g HONDA CITY compared to a condo when they start working.
2011 - ??? - young ppl cannot afford to buy condo, so they keep on buying new cars, e.g HONDA CITY
Future - we will have trailer parks with family staying in old HONDA CITY with 4 years repayment left.
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Lets use GDP. Price of a property in Malaysia is 3x more than Malaysia's average GDP. That is the same as in the United States (3x average GDP). Hong Kong average price is 10x average GDP. Ofcourse Hong Kong is another story all together. They need 10 generations to save money just to pay for downpayment. Above HK$10m, they have to pay 50% deposit.
Im not sure about the GDP figures i read it somewhere last time.

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I lived in HK for 3-4 years.

I find it funny when ppl tried to compare HK prop with bolehland....2 diff worlds and like durian vs apple
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QUOTE(jet2020 @ Jul 22 2011, 12:22 AM)
I lived in HK for 3-4 years.

I find it funny when ppl tried to compare HK prop with bolehland....2 diff worlds and like durian vs apple
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Magazines, investment books, etc is comparing Malaysia to HongKong.

I would like to recommend to Malaysia to do it like HongKong, Property above say RM3m, need to pay 40% deposit etc. Instead of 3rd property loan 70% only. Just to curb bubble. I realise its bad for investor.

I myself have 5 property when im 24 but im staying with parents. Then when i finally wanna buy the 5th one for my OWN STAY, put booking free on monday, i kena pay 30% deposit because they announce it last friday. Its a good move to curb bubble i kinda support it but its not well taught of.

1. Say Person A got 2 property costing RM1.5mil each. Renting out for RM16k for both. Then he need to pay 30% deposit for a RM200,000 house which is RM60k only.

2. But Person B got 2 RM200k apartment then he wants to buy 1 RM1.0mil only, he needs to fork out RM300k just for the deposit.

Assuming both still servicing the loan for all property. Its unfair.


Added on July 22, 2011, 12:38 amIm quite happy with the increase in BLR and 70%LTV thing. Everything seems to be running normally to keep inflation in check...

THEN SUDDENLY!!!
1st property 105% loan for people earning RM6000 and below. The intention is good but i think this move is a weird one because it will introduce further speculation for property below RM300k. Developers will use this as a guide to set a price their property and in the end, speculation will start again..



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QUOTE(koopa @ Jul 22 2011, 12:32 AM)
I would like to recommend to Malaysia to do it like HongKong, Property above say RM3m, need to pay 40% deposit etc. Instead of 3rd property loan 70% only. Just to curb bubble. I realise its bad for investor.
40% deposit may not be fully effective to curb hot speculation....many loopholes (ie SOHOs) to go around this ruling. Developers and bankers are working closely to bypass this for common commercial objectives.

The most effective is stopping DIBS scheme and introduce higher RPGT......but doubt govt will use this drastic measure as prices may drop like a rock!!


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I lived in HK for 3-4 years.

I find it funny when ppl tried to compare HK prop with bolehland....2 diff worlds and like durian vs apple
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How different?
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QUOTE(jet2020 @ Jul 22 2011, 12:45 AM)
40% deposit may not be fully effective to curb hot speculation....many loopholes (ie SOHOs) to go around this ruling. Developers and bankers are working closely to bypass this for common commercial objectives.

The most effective is stopping DIBS scheme and introduce higher RPGT......but doubt govt will use this drastic measure as prices may drop like a rock!!
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Totally agree with you there rclxms.gif
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QUOTE(kh8668 @ Jul 22 2011, 12:48 AM)
How different?
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Affordability index (HK props attracted international buyers due to its status as regional financial centre). Easy to subsale in HK (within 1 week) and not like Msia
Population growth (many rich mainland chinese sending children at HK schools and need accomodation),
Controlled supply (HK govt has a better planning to release land banks...unlike bolehland with poor prop supply vs demand)
Lower prop vacancy rate due to controlled supply as mentioned above
Low cost of fund (very low BLR) plus depreciation of HK dollar make prop investment a logical choice
Property transactions are fast/efficient and transacted prices are transparent in the govt website for reference

many many more.......so cannot compare la....

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Malaysia property market are mainly supported by local people.

HK = regional financial centre = attracts foreigners. Agreed, if not Malaysian properties won't be cheap.

Population = KV now got 7 mil population; takes 4 persons per household; 1.75mil families (must be more); KV total properties about 1.7 mil units; Low cost flats and low cost houses are a lot; not many quality products there.

supply control? Supply and demand controlled by the free market. it will be corrected by the market itself.

Low vacancy rate = I think only for certain areas.

Low cost of fund = historical low interest rate also happens in Malaysia now.

Property transactions = Malaysia, yes, agreed that it is not transparent enough (Fake SPA also can be done) and not fast, not many buyers/sellers know the market well. LOL. But, still got lot of peoples make money from Malaysia property market.





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Property above 1m is listed in the gov website. But prices are still not "Real" enough.
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Higher inflation?
By JAGDEV SINGH SIDHU
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Economists cautious as producer prices keep rising

KUALA LUMPUR: Economists suspect inflation may have reached their peak levels in June but remain wary over the prospect of further rises stemming from higher producer prices.

A higher base effect from the second half of last year and the recent sideways movement in the basket of commodities, especially food prices, will help contain the rise in inflation but a 10.6% jump in producer prices in May is expected to work its way to consumer prices should companies decide to pass on the higher costs.

Producer prices have risen for the seventh straight month and May's number was the fastest pace of increase since September 2008.

“There are also the risks of pass-through and secondary effects on consumer prices from higher production and operating costs following the hikes in gas prices, electricity tariffs and the removal of super subsidy on diesel for commercial vehicles (mainly in the logistics industry) and deep-sea fishing vessels,” said Maybank Investment Bank Bhd in a report yesterday.


Feeling the pinch: Costlier chicken, among other food, has contributed to the 3.5% rise in June inflation

CIMB Research head of economics Lee Heng Guie in his report said increased cost and margin pressures were expected to force producers to pass through the cost to consumers gradually.

Inflation rose by 3.5% in June, which was the fastest pace of increase since March 2009.

Contributing to the big increase in inflation was food, with an increase of 4.7% from a year ago because of costlier chicken, fish and vegetable prices, and transportation, which was up 5.8%.

The subsidy rationalisation of the electricity tariff increase in June had a negligible effect on inflation in June but the reduction in sugar subsidies had caused a spike in sweets and other confectionary.

“The average 7.12% electricity tariff hike in June had a manageable knock-on impact on overall inflation as the housing, water, electricity, gas and other fuels' category rose 1.9% year-on-year and 0.1% month-on-month in June,” said Lee.

Since 75% of consumers would not fork out more for electricity as they consumed less than the threshold for a price increase, economists said the overall influence on inflation was muted. Furthermore, electricity accounts for 2.9% of the consumer price index.

Lee said inflation had probably peaked in June and expected it to ease in the second half of this year.

“First, the food inflation and transport price index, which accounted for 2.1% of the increase in the headline inflation in the first half of 2011, has come close to returning to its historical month-over-month trend growth rate,” he said.

“The second factor is the base effect inflation was much lower (average 1.5% year-on-year) in the first half of 2010 than in the second half of 2010 (average 1.9% year-on-year). As such, the combination of slower month-on-month price growth and a higher year-ago base will result in a slight drop in inflation to 3.2% to 3.4% year-on-year in the second half of 2011.”

He is maintaining his CPI growth forecast of 3.2% for this year.

How Bank Negara reacts to the June report for inflation in raising interest rates is also uncertain at this juncture. Some economists feel with inflation being more closely monitored than in the past, a 25 basis-point increase in the overnight policy rate remains a possibility for the September meeting.

Others think inflation at the current levels, and where the outlook for costs gets more benign towards the later part in the year, may not be enough to convince the central bank that a move toward the normalisation of interest rates will be the proper response in view that economic growth prospects are still shaky at the moment.


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QUOTE(koopa @ Jul 22 2011, 12:32 AM)
Magazines, investment books, etc is comparing Malaysia to HongKong.

I would like to recommend to Malaysia to do it like HongKong, Property above say RM3m, need to pay 40% deposit etc. Instead of 3rd property loan 70% only. Just to curb bubble. I realise its bad for investor.

I myself have 5 property when im 24 but im staying with parents. Then when i finally wanna buy the 5th one for my OWN STAY, put booking free on monday, i kena pay 30% deposit because they announce it last friday. Its a good move to  curb bubble i kinda support it but its not well taught of.

1. Say Person A got 2 property costing RM1.5mil each. Renting out for RM16k for both. Then he need to pay 30% deposit for a RM200,000 house which is RM60k only.

2. But Person B got 2 RM200k apartment then he wants to buy 1 RM1.0mil only, he needs to fork out RM300k just for the deposit.

Assuming both still servicing the loan for all property. Its unfair.


Added on July 22, 2011, 12:38 amIm quite happy with the increase in BLR and 70%LTV thing. Everything seems to be running normally to keep inflation in check...

THEN SUDDENLY!!!
1st property 105% loan for people earning RM6000 and below. The intention is good but i think this move is a weird one because it will introduce further speculation for property below RM300k. Developers will use this as a guide to set a price their property and in the end, speculation will start again..
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Sorry to say this, but I think you do not understand the concept of speculation. Speculation only occur when people are buying more than one property. Afterall, you can only live in one. So the government scheme is not effectively encouraging speculation as it targets and helps first time home buyers. Frankly speculation is more of a problem for lower valued properties as speculation will effectively push out lower income bracket purchasers.
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QUOTE(lch78 @ Jul 21 2011, 10:27 PM)

HK actually has twice as much land than Singapore, but most land is controlled by the government. I think HK only developed around 10% of their total land area. It is HK government policy to create high land value, thus translate to high property prices, since the days of the British rule.

The land cost for building an apartment building in HK is around 60% of the total cost, whilst in Msia, the max is only 30%. It is actually the high land cost that causing the high property prices in HK.

Therefore now HK ppl are pressuring their Government to release more land for building houses, in order to bring down house prices. Right now, HK government also mulling having a social housing scheme like HDB in order to cool down their over-heated property prices. However, the HK leader is hesitating to think about how not to end up like Tung Chee Hwa shall he proceeds with such plan.  smile.gif

But then it is difficult for HK to lower their house prices in a free market. Every millionaires in China will like to own a piece of prop there given HK is still a better place for living (if you can afford it). And millionaires in China can easily out-number HK population.  wink.gif
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Yup HK got plenty of land but mostly occupied by the hills or on the hill slop. Proportion of flat land is much lesser.

Again, we cannot compare KL with HK and Sg. People are regional financial centers. Bankers can afford to pay S$50,000 monthly rental. My? Centre of cheap labor and hub of cronies lah .. hehe whistling.gif
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bros,
i am not saying kl is equal to hk or sgd.
the comparison is done to show how much lagging we are compared to them.
every country needs to have a starting point to tip over the scale. i'm just hoping our country can start the actual transformation sooner if not later. if indonesia, thailand and vietnam can do it, i hope we can do it too and better.
short term goal is of course to overtake thailand, indonesia and vietnam. then to narrow the gap to singapore.
overtaking Sg or HK would be crazy.
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bros,
i am not saying kl is equal to hk or sgd.
the comparison is done to show how much lagging we are compared to them.
every country needs to have a starting point to tip over the scale. i'm just hoping our country can start the actual transformation sooner if not later. if indonesia, thailand and vietnam can do it, i hope we can do it too and better.
short term goal is of course to overtake thailand, indonesia and vietnam. then to narrow the gap to singapore.
overtaking Sg or HK would be crazy.
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i wouldn't put my hope on those thickheads busy lining own pockets and arresting innocent people.

read a bit more, forget sg or hk. start comparing with other cambodia and kazakhstan, so says adb:

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tough time ahead very soon in MY.....just received latest insider info that 1 major foreign bank decided to cutback property loan to only 60%-70% financing regardless of commercial, residential, etc. This also applicable to 1st property owner unless falls under RM220k residential prop. Heard other local banks are likely to follow suit .....

Seems the bank has identified some big risk is coming very soon in the horizon......

those still gangho to BBB, better check with your banker first before making any commitment......
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tough time ahead very soon in MY.....just received latest insider info that 1 major foreign bank decided to cutback property loan to only 60%-70% financing regardless of commercial, residential, etc. This also applicable to 1st property owner unless falls under RM220k residential prop. Heard other local banks are likely to follow suit .....

Seems the bank has identified some big risk is coming very soon in the horizon......

those still gangho to BBB, better check with your banker first before making any commitment......
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i think bacos of this cutback property loan to only 60%-70% , ppl think difficult to get loan in future.. so they borrow now!!!... create further BBB (Bubble Bubble Bubble).
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tough time ahead very soon in MY.....just received latest insider info that 1 major foreign bank decided to cutback property loan to only 60%-70% financing regardless of commercial, residential, etc. This also applicable to 1st property owner unless falls under RM220k residential prop. Heard other local banks are likely to follow suit .....

Seems the bank has identified some big risk is coming very soon in the horizon......

those still gangho to BBB, better check with your banker first before making any commitment......
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I tthought many are already experiencing the "tough time" with all the prices of daily neccessities going up crazily since last year tongue.gif

but yes, i agree that tough time is ahead of MY. that's why am at a difficult stage thinking whether to buy or not to buy my first condo for own stay purpose (currently living with family) .

no offence, but how reliable is your insider info, has BNM issue any kind of guidance to banks on loans to individuals? Coz i heard that when people argue that Malaysians' debt are still not too high compared to savings, the ratio actually takes into account monies in EPF and we can't use (a large portion). This worries me.

recently i feel that the property market has cooled down abit, not as crazy as months back, anyone got the same feeling ah?


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i think bacos of this cutback property loan to only 60%-70%  , ppl think difficult to get loan in future.. so they borrow now!!!... create further BBB (Bubble Bubble Bubble).
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Maybe i am coming from the buying side (for own stay) and hope prices could be more reasonable, so i would think that the cutback of property loan to 60-70% will make speculators panic wanting to sell fast, coz not many buyers can afford to fork out 30-40% cash as downpayment. biggrin.gif


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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Jul 22 2011, 10:30 AM)
i wouldn't put my hope on those thickheads busy lining own pockets and arresting innocent people.

read a bit more, forget sg or hk. start comparing with other cambodia and kazakhstan, so says adb:
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haha, can't help but to laugh and feel sad at the same time. You are so right, we should compare apple to apple. Malaysia's financial industry is >10years behind S'pore, maybe more relevant to compare S'pore property prices 10 years back tongue.gif ?

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I tthought many are already experiencing the "tough time" with all the prices of daily neccessities going up crazily since last year tongue.gif

but yes, i agree that tough time is ahead of MY. that's why am at a difficult stage thinking whether to buy or not to buy my first condo for own stay purpose (currently living with family) .

no offence, but how reliable is your insider info, has BNM issue any kind of guidance to banks on loans to individuals? Coz i heard that when people argue that Malaysians' debt are still not too high compared to savings, the ratio actually takes into account monies in EPF and we can't use (a large portion). This worries me.

recently i feel that the property market has cooled down abit, not as crazy as months back, anyone got the same feeling ah?


Added on July 22, 2011, 3:32 pm

Maybe i am coming from the buying side (for own stay) and hope prices could be more reasonable, so i would think that the cutback of property loan to 60-70% will make speculators panic wanting to sell fast, coz not many buyers can afford to fork out 30-40% cash as downpayment.  biggrin.gif


Added on July 22, 2011, 3:39 pm tongue.gif
haha, can't help but to laugh and feel sad at the same time. You are so right, we should compare apple to apple. Malaysia's financial industry is >10years behind S'pore, maybe more relevant to compare S'pore property prices 10 years back  tongue.gif ?
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if you are buying for own stay, i would suggest you hunt for a place you are comfortable with and just buy it (subject to your affordability of course).

and my concern is not whether we are behind Sg or HK in terms of how many years. it's whether we are positively bridging the gap or drifting further. currently, we are not bridging the gap but drifting further. so in physics theory, we would not be able to chase them at all.
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目標價:3.30令吉
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政府謹慎落實任何政策以免打擊房地產領域,此番立場料可穩定馬星集團(MAHSING,8583,主要板房產)股價走勢,馬星仍是我們的房產股首選。

 馬星集團管理層在電話會議指出,政府希望在為房產市場降溫之際,也非常謹慎落實任何政策,以免打擊房地產領域和140個相關行業。國內沒有真正的房產泡沫跡象,也是原因之一。

 這顯示當局只想克制投機,而不是打擊整體市場。

 此立場與我們的看法一致,即我國甚至吉隆坡沒有廣泛的房產泡沬,且(買家)整體負擔能力仍良好。

 假設馬星集團在今年得以收購價值50億至70億令吉的地庫,年內未來5個月料將有總發展值40億至60億令吉的地庫,這在短時間內是項很龐大的金額,料將有助重估該股。

 今年至今,該公司的銷售和訂單值達17億至18億令吉,換算成一年相等于29億至31億令吉,高于全年20億至25億令吉的目標。

 馬星集團近期的股價走勢如過山車般,電話會議內容料有助舒緩包括馬星集團在內的整體房產業者擔憂。

 我們維持財測和3.30令吉的目標價,“跑贏大市”評級不變。

 潛在重估催化劑,包括剛推介的Icon City良好銷售反應、持續強勁的銷量,以及預期下半年重返的地庫利好。

 閉市時,馬星集團報2.45令吉,跌6仙,成交量108萬7400股。


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Be flexible with plot ratio

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Residents in Selangor have been urged to be more flexible with the plot ratio to enable the state’s continuous development.

State local government committee chairman Ronnie Liu said Selangor had recorded a 9% migration rate as compared to 6% in the past.

“That is a significant figure; it means that the state’s population will double every six to seven years. The state government is pressured to provide more jobs and houses,” he said after launching the Planning Guidelines Workshop organised by Petaling Jaya City Council (MBPJ) and Real Estate & Housing Developers’ Association (Rehda) recently at One World Hotel.

“Residents’ strong resistance to projects with high plot ratio will eventually turn investors away. Of course, we have to first ensure the infrastructure can cope with the development,” he said.

Liu added many had moved to Petaling Jaya, Ampang, Selayang, Subang and Klang, and most of them opted to stay long-term.

More than 200 representatives from developers and government agencies attended the workshop, which was aimed at reviewing and fine-tuning the policy drafted by MBPJ.

The workshop’s outcome will be discussed again within the council before it is forwarded to the state planning committee.

Among the issues discussed were development charges, infrastructure fees, green area, carpark allocation, maximum plot ratio, stop-work order and planting perimeters.

MBPJ One-Stop Centre director Lee Lih Shyan said it was a fruitful session as participants gave constructive input on the papers presented by the council’s planning, engineering, landscape and building control departments.

It was proposed that a Green Fund be set up as compensation by developers who could not strictly meet the council’s green requirements, but the move was heatedly debated.

Another proposal was that developers be allowed to have higher plot ratio for meeting specific green requirements.

Lee added that the formula used for the calculation of development charges and the mechanics of returning overpaid fees were also discussed.

Currently, developers are required to pay 30% of the appreciation in land value as development charges.


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US bubble prophecy in 2005.

http://globaleconomicanalysis.blogspot.com...w-paradigm.html

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which stage are we right now? think prices peak already?
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According to Deputy Finance Minister Datuk Donald Lim Siang Chai, in light of rising inflation and increase in demand for local properties from foreigners, the property prices in Malaysia are expected to increase at an average of between 10% - 20% this year.

Early this month, the Malaysian Government launched the 1Malaysia People's Housing Programme (PR1MA) to enable individuals who earn not more than RM6,000 to purchase a home valued at RM150,000 – RM300,000 which will be developed in several areas in and around the Klang Valley.

What do you think about the prediction in property price? Will the increase hinder you from purchasing a home, be it for residence or investment? Do you think that Malaysians who earn not more than RM6,000 a month will be able to afford a home valued between RM150,000 – RM300, 000?

We at iProperty.com Malaysia would like to know what you think about this. Answering this survey will only take a few minutes your time but its results can help shape the property industry.

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another 10-20% increase this year?
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i like this chart......i think MY prop is about to enter into the last leg of the bull run before reaching the plateau unless this is brought forward by an event eg political instability.

Banks tightening credit is the beginning....keep a close watch on the coming budget announcement in Oct and next GE.
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The game is getting very excited. The point is, now I buy the property. But some able to sell w/o complete or after SP and some only after complete? You see now developer very clever, they try to sell it even before launching it. They get your money put in the bank save the interest. So their case settle, now for the buyer side. Another 2 years down road to complete, so after 2 years time the market still good or bad we don't know. Buy for own stay always no problem.
In order ppl can afford higher loan, we should have a higher and steady salary. So much depends on our govt. Inflation high, car loan, now housing loan. If the salary not competative enough for overall. Then the ppl might suffer.
But maybe the time ppl are moving to new state to stay, like JB. If JB can create more jobs and attract foreigner with the iskandar. The place property still affortable but not as high as KL. Penang also not a bad place, mainland landed still look very attractive, if you can stay Sg petani also ok. So there is still much option. Travelling an hour to work is quite common.
Place like Sg and HK diff, you don't have place to stay. Bcoz every here and there the price is much the same.
It is the govt, banker and developer create this trend so all ppl rushing in to buy the property? Even last 3 years ago there isn't much hunger for property.
So..... ppl buy property is much for gaining and sustain wealth? Some rushing for own stay bcoz seeing the price increasing. Last time ppl though is, aiway...wait and see and good houses coming out. Compare first check other places first. Now? you better prepare a cheque book on the first day to do the booking. The time I bought my house in SA, it was about nearly 1 month I ding dong here and there before confirmed my booking.
My last question, should I go for some property for rental (subsale) now or go for upgrade? rclxub.gif








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Please do a favour for all benefit.

Do not copy and paste entire article.
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will learn how to use the spoiler..kekekeke

by the way, these articles will cost a bomb in future nod.gif
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QUOTE(jet2020 @ Jul 22 2011, 12:20 PM)
tough time ahead very soon in MY.....just received latest insider info that 1 major foreign bank decided to cutback property loan to only 60%-70% financing regardless of commercial, residential, etc. This also applicable to 1st property owner unless falls under RM220k residential prop. Heard other local banks are likely to follow suit .....

Seems the bank has identified some big risk is coming very soon in the horizon......

those still gangho to BBB, better check with your banker first before making any commitment......
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I've heard from bankers and have the same feeling.

Its a good time to sell props that appreciated 100% biggrin.gif






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BNM will got no choice but to increase interest rate. The leverage by using currency appreciation to contain inflation has already reached its limit. Further appreciation without other countries following suit will only hurt exporters.

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QUOTE(jet2020 @ Jul 22 2011, 02:08 AM)
Affordability index (HK props attracted international buyers due to its status as regional financial centre). Easy to subsale in HK (within 1 week) and not like Msia
Population growth (many rich mainland chinese sending children at HK schools and need accomodation),
Controlled supply (HK govt has a better planning to release land banks...unlike bolehland with poor prop supply vs demand)
Lower prop vacancy rate due to controlled supply as mentioned above
Low cost of fund (very low BLR) plus depreciation of HK dollar make prop investment a logical choice
Property transactions are fast/efficient and transacted prices are transparent in the govt website for reference

many many more.......so cannot compare la....
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QUOTE(jet2020 @ Jul 22 2011, 01:20 PM)
tough time ahead very soon in MY.....just received latest insider info that 1 major foreign bank decided to cutback property loan to only 60%-70% financing regardless of commercial, residential, etc. This also applicable to 1st property owner unless falls under RM220k residential prop. Heard other local banks are likely to follow suit .....

Seems the bank has identified some big risk is coming very soon in the horizon......

those still gangho to BBB, better check with your banker first before making any commitment......
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According to Deputy Finance Minister Datuk Donald Lim Siang Chai, in light of rising inflation and increase in demand for local properties from foreigners, the property prices in Malaysia are expected to increase at an average of between 10% - 20% this year.

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I have yet to see any of the political figure saying that bad time is coming and that we should prepare ourselves. Everything is only good. **IF** the finance ministry knows anything coming, e.g. credit crunching, he should warn us and not give us false hope that property price will increase further.

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I've heard from bankers and have the same feeling.

Its a good time to sell props that appreciated 100% biggrin.gif
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biggrin.gif biggrin.gif when r u going to sell your units?
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QUOTE(jet2020 @ Jul 22 2011, 12:20 PM)
tough time ahead very soon in MY.....just received latest insider info that 1 major foreign bank decided to cutback property loan to only 60%-70% financing regardless of commercial, residential, etc. This also applicable to 1st property owner unless falls under RM220k residential prop. Heard other local banks are likely to follow suit .....

Seems the bank has identified some big risk is coming very soon in the horizon......

those still gangho to BBB, better check with your banker first before making any commitment......
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Does that reflect that property price might be dropping when the majority can not afford to pay 30 - 40% of downpayment ?

Hi guys, a newbie to learn about this field cheers.gif
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Does that reflect that property price might be dropping when the majority can not afford to pay 30 - 40% of downpayment ?

Hi guys, a newbie to learn about this field  cheers.gif
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IF majority(depending on your definition) REALLY cannot afford to pay 30% to 40% of down payment and it is the regulation set, it mean only minority(Depending on your definition) is buying houses.

Under the above situation, price will definitely drop because the property sector could not be supported only by minority.
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this is my conversation with a property agent just now for her post of a semi-d selling for RM 450k at KL

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me: i heard about your property listing for a semiD going for RM450k where is that?

agent: oh that one, you cannot live in it without major renovation, maybe another RM200k for that at least

me: oh, too bad

agent: ya, nowadays very hard to get property in KL at reasonable price. New condos are launching at least RM500k. The agents and buyers are waiting for the market to crash.

me: agent also waiting for market to crash?

agent: ya, married couple with combine income of RM 10k-15k can't afford houses nowadays and the market has been very slow lately. We hope it crashed so at least it keeps the prices at reasonable price and hopefully ppl start buying.

me: oh, i see. Thanks !
Go higher while you still can ! I'm also waiting...

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QUOTE(GangHo @ Jul 23 2011, 07:17 PM)
IF majority(depending on your definition) REALLY cannot afford to pay 30% to 40% of down payment and it is the regulation set, it mean only minority(Depending on your definition) is buying houses.

Under the above situation, price will definitely drop because the property sector could not be supported only by minority.
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Myself still has got long way to go before being able to afford a property but the dramatic increase of property's price in recent years have always made me wonder how tough for coming generations to afford a property, and also looks like for those who is planning to invest in properties should hold the thoughts?
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Myself still has got long way to go before being able to afford a property but the dramatic increase of property's price in recent years have always made me wonder how tough for coming generations to afford a property, and also looks like for those who is planning to invest in properties should hold the thoughts?
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The younger generation will still afford ......just not close to prime area. And can forget about city center. Rawang may be part of Greater Greater KV in the next 30 yrs
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The younger generation will still afford ......just not close to prime area.

right, younger, next-next generation can still afford and buy.
just dun complain cannot buy in prime-prime areas, cannot buy when 20-25 yrs old!! biggrin.gif

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this is my conversation with a property agent just now for her post of a semi-d selling for RM 450k at KL
Go higher while you still can ! I'm also waiting...
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no doubt subsale is slowing down tremendously. lots of properties just paper gain.
the BBB scenario is only applicable for new launch properties.


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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Jul 23 2011, 09:15 PM)
right, younger, next-next generation can still afford and buy.
just dun complain cannot buy in prime-prime areas, cannot buy when 20-25 yrs old!! biggrin.gif
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if everyone expect the prop down.. it will not going to down, but up.

if everyone expect the prop up.. it will not going to up, but down.


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why dont someone start a poll to survey number(%) of forumer in LYN thinks whether property will continue rising / fall / stagnant in 2012 onwards? Ppl will be able to plan the next move using the figures
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QUOTE(keithcky @ Jul 23 2011, 12:55 PM)
I've heard from bankers and have the same feeling.

Its a good time to sell props that appreciated 100% biggrin.gif
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Valuation firms still got lot of cases for financing. Kekeke
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Does that reflect that property price might be dropping when the majority can not afford to pay 30 - 40% of downpayment ?

Hi guys, a newbie to learn about this field  cheers.gif
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Ensure a sustainable local property market

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There are a number of measures that can be put in place to ensure the local property market continues to be healthy, sustainable and does not succumb easily to any adversities.

It was just barely three years ago that we witnessed the widespread contagion effect of the collapse of Lehman Brothers on the world economy.

The external front is still shaky and there is a strong likelihood that a second and more severe financial crisis, or “double dip” may happen.

With a growing number of European countries going into debt crisis, the next big trigger may come in the form of a debt default by the US following its ballooning deficit.

To avert a potential meltdown from the frail external economic conditions, it is important to build a strong foundation for the local market.

There are potential hazards lurking that may cause the market to lose substantial value if we are not careful.

Among the potential hazards include over-speculation and over-commitment to household loans that may lead to disability to service the loan, and result in higher incidence of non-performing loans.

Bank Negara is closely monitoring the market for signs of overheating and a potential policy tightening may be in the offing.

The central bank is reportedly looking at modifying the mode of calculation for household loan (that covers mortgage and hire purchase) from gross pay to net pay.

If the measure is implemented, it will mean that borrowers will only be eligible for a lower loan amount based on a percentage (usually up to a third for housing loan repayment) of their take-home pay after deducting payment of income tax, and contribution to the Employees Provident Fund and Socso.

The measure should be welcome as it will curb over-commitment in household loan and ensure there is enough left for other household expenses.

Over the past two years or so, many Malaysians have joined in the rush to buy property as the market has been overflowing with cash, and property is the biggest beneficiary of this high liquidity in the system.

I believe one of the main reasons for the sharp and rapid appreciation in property prices can be attributed to the fact that there are very few alternative investment options around for investors.

To “dilute” the high appetite for property, it is necessary to open up other viable investment options so that those with surplus cash can have other alternatives to turn to. In fact investment in unit trust has become quite popular as it actually fit the needs of those with lower risk appetite and do not like the volatility of the stock market.

Raising savings interest rates will also be a good measure as it will attract more people to park their money in the banks again.

With more people saving with the banks, financial institutions will have more funds to lend to corporate borrowers who need funding to expand their businesses.

New start-ups and small and medium-sized enterprises (SMEs) are among the critical groups which need a helping hand from the banks to provide loans for working capital and expansion plans.

There have been feedback from some smaller enterprises of the increasing difficulty in seeking loans from banks. Instead of just lending to mega corporations, banks should also pay attention to the smaller outfits as most of the big and successful firms today started out small once.

Of course the normal due diligence and screening of the borrowers to access their credit worthiness has to be undertaken to avoid unnecessary problems later.

These enterprises should not be underestimated as they will be able to act as a “cushion” should there be another economic or financial crunch.

From the previous meltdown, we have witnessed how fragile the financial and investment markets can be.

Although the property market is generally quite benign and not as volatile as the financial markets, the sharp hike in prices over the past two years have started to cause alarm in some quarters that the market is overheating.

Although the sharp rise in prices is evident in certain places, notably the Klang Valley, Penang island and some parts of Johor, even some quiet markets like Ipoh and mainland Penang have also charted unusual price gains.

It’s true that many savvy investors have benefited from the sharp price appreciation of the past two years, but there are more people who have been affected by it.

They are caught in a rather difficult situation of having to fork out at least a 20% to 30% increase in property price and higher downpayment for their purchases.

Whether one is a potential buyer or seller, tenant, land owner, developer, or from the governing authorities, we are all stakeholders in the market, and should lend our support to ensure it remains stable and sustainable.

·Deputy news editor Angie Ng believes it pays to be prudent and not compromise on the sanctity of the market.


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Jul 23, 2011
Ensure a sustainable local property market

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There are a number of measures that can be put in place to ensure the local property market continues to be healthy, sustainable and does not succumb easily to any adversities.

It was just barely three years ago that we witnessed the widespread contagion effect of the collapse of Lehman Brothers on the world economy.

The external front is still shaky and there is a strong likelihood that a second and more severe financial crisis, or “double dip” may happen.

With a growing number of European countries going into debt crisis, the next big trigger may come in the form of a debt default by the US following its ballooning deficit.

To avert a potential meltdown from the frail external economic conditions, it is important to build a strong foundation for the local market.

There are potential hazards lurking that may cause the market to lose substantial value if we are not careful.

Among the potential hazards include over-speculation and over-commitment to household loans that may lead to disability to service the loan, and result in higher incidence of non-performing loans.

Bank Negara is closely monitoring the market for signs of overheating and a potential policy tightening may be in the offing.

The central bank is reportedly looking at modifying the mode of calculation for household loan (that covers mortgage and hire purchase) from gross pay to net pay.

If the measure is implemented, it will mean that borrowers will only be eligible for a lower loan amount based on a percentage (usually up to a third for housing loan repayment) of their take-home pay after deducting payment of income tax, and contribution to the Employees Provident Fund and Socso.

The measure should be welcome as it will curb over-commitment in household loan and ensure there is enough left for other household expenses.

Over the past two years or so, many Malaysians have joined in the rush to buy property as the market has been overflowing with cash, and property is the biggest beneficiary of this high liquidity in the system.

I believe one of the main reasons for the sharp and rapid appreciation in property prices can be attributed to the fact that there are very few alternative investment options around for investors.

To “dilute” the high appetite for property, it is necessary to open up other viable investment options so that those with surplus cash can have other alternatives to turn to. In fact investment in unit trust has become quite popular as it actually fit the needs of those with lower risk appetite and do not like the volatility of the stock market.

Raising savings interest rates will also be a good measure as it will attract more people to park their money in the banks again.

With more people saving with the banks, financial institutions will have more funds to lend to corporate borrowers who need funding to expand their businesses.

New start-ups and small and medium-sized enterprises (SMEs) are among the critical groups which need a helping hand from the banks to provide loans for working capital and expansion plans.

There have been feedback from some smaller enterprises of the increasing difficulty in seeking loans from banks. Instead of just lending to mega corporations, banks should also pay attention to the smaller outfits as most of the big and successful firms today started out small once.

Of course the normal due diligence and screening of the borrowers to access their credit worthiness has to be undertaken to avoid unnecessary problems later.

These enterprises should not be underestimated as they will be able to act as a “cushion” should there be another economic or financial crunch.

From the previous meltdown, we have witnessed how fragile the financial and investment markets can be.

Although the property market is generally quite benign and not as volatile as the financial markets, the sharp hike in prices over the past two years have started to cause alarm in some quarters that the market is overheating.

Although the sharp rise in prices is evident in certain places, notably the Klang Valley, Penang island and some parts of Johor, even some quiet markets like Ipoh and mainland Penang have also charted unusual price gains.

It’s true that many savvy investors have benefited from the sharp price appreciation of the past two years, but there are more people who have been affected by it.

They are caught in a rather difficult situation of having to fork out at least a 20% to 30% increase in property price and higher downpayment for their purchases.

Whether one is a potential buyer or seller, tenant, land owner, developer, or from the governing authorities, we are all stakeholders in the market, and should lend our support to ensure it remains stable and sustainable.

·Deputy news editor Angie Ng believes it pays to be prudent and not compromise on the sanctity of the market.
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be careful that CHERROY the moderator will say again this (lowyat forum - property talk) is not a news thread and delete your efforts here....wakakaka.... doh.gif
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be careful that CHERROY the moderator will say again this (lowyat forum - property talk) is not a news thread and delete your efforts here....wakakaka.... doh.gif
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Opps... sorry moderator CHERROY .. last piece ya ... no more after

Jul 21
2011 CIMB Research Bullish On Residential Property Sector
Posted by Thinkproperty.my News Team in News, Bernama


KUALA LUMPUR: CIMB Research, which is bullish on residential property market, has maintained its 'overweight' rating on the property sector.

It has also maintained 'outperform' rating on all developers.

In a report today, CIMB said investors should continue to accumulate property stocks on weakness.

CIMB said share prices of property stocks had been on downtrend since a weekly magazine reported on the possibility of a change in housing loan calculations from gross to net pay.


"The selldown is excessive as the jitters had even spilled to construction companies with property development exposure," it said.

It said the report has yet to be confirmed and even if the measure were to be implemented, it was likely to be mild as the intention was to curb speculation, not to hammer overall sentiment.

CIMB said there has also been talk of the possibility of the proposal of a higher real property gains tax for commercial property in the 2012 Budget.

It said the weakness in share prices of both property developers and construction companies offered buying opportunities. - Bernama

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i think it is ok to post the articles here, just use spoiler.
some articles will only appear for a short while and go into archive later.
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76.5 mil USD x RM3 = RM229,500,000 in two days.

Equal to 765 properties worth RM300,000 each

kekekeke

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I use picture news..... brows.gif
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malaysia consumer debt at an all time high. danger sign.
i foresee a lot of people going into trouble very soon.
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i think it is ok to post the articles here, just use spoiler.
some articles will only appear for a short while and go into archive later.
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tha's y some articles will be missing forever whenever need it for comparison/info.

these articles got theirs values. now have to save inside my own threads somewhere.


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QUOTE(cranx @ Jul 24 2011, 09:15 PM)
malaysia consumer debt at an all time high. danger sign.
i foresee a lot of people going into trouble very soon.
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hmm each transaction about RM250....kekekeke...still can be afforded gua.

yesterday went to Maybank treats fair also spend more than this amount.

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QUOTE(kh8668 @ Jul 24 2011, 09:15 PM)
tha's y some articles will be missing forever whenever need it for comparison/info.

these articles got theirs values. now have to save inside my own threads somewhere.


Added on July 24, 2011, 9:16 pm
hmm each transaction about RM250....kekekeke...still can be afforded gua.

yesterday went to Maybank treats fair also spend more than this amount.
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lyn members are rich. cannot compare with the general public.
noticed the hardcore bulls and bears no longer debate or post anything here.

only left with the neutrals.
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Lazy to count. But I sense that property forum "traffic" is reduced compared to few months back.

However, this tread is still particularly active.
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oz all the Taikors start the buying spree quietly without sharing more due to scarcity of quality properties ..kekekekeke..check the CLASSIFIED


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QUOTE(cranx @ Jul 24 2011, 09:29 PM)
lyn members are rich. cannot compare with the general public.
noticed the hardcore bulls and bears no longer debate or post anything here.

only left with the neutrals.
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More Richers are outside from this lyn.

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oz all the Taikors start the buying spree quietly without sharing more due to scarcity of quality properties ..kekekekeke..check the CLASSIFIED
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what clue can we get from the classified?
lots of WTS from flippers?
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oz all the Taikors start the buying spree quietly without sharing more due to scarcity of quality properties ..kekekekeke..check the CLASSIFIED
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maybe selling spree?!!

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what clue can we get from the classified?
lots of WTS from flippers?
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Ask Xai-V-iaX kor for more info.


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maybe selling spree?!!
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Whenever there are selling, there are buying too!!!

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be careful that CHERROY the moderator will say again this (lowyat forum - property talk) is not a news thread and delete your efforts here....wakakaka.... doh.gif
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moderators need to do that. lyn is a heavy user forum. if people post anything any length they like, admin need to pay and pay to incr bytes.
part of housekeeping - keep the house neat and tidy, lyn can go on forvever. smile.gif
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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Jul 24 2011, 09:41 PM)
moderators need to do that. lyn is a heavy user forum. if people post anything any length they like, admin need to pay and pay to incr bytes.
part of housekeeping - keep the house neat and tidy, lyn can go on forvever. smile.gif
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okie rclxm9.gif but picture will eat more bytes tongue.gif

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Whenever there are selling, there are buying too!!!
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true.
bigtime investors quietly sell to small time genuine home buyers.
contrast with noisy small time speculators busy borrowing to buy.
see the diff? tongue.gif
i neutral, not selling, not buying. biggrin.gif
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new trend is auntie uncle, and fresh new out of college investors buy buy buy all the new launch.
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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Jul 24 2011, 09:44 PM)
true.
bigtime investors quietly sell to small time genuine home buyers.
contrast with noisy small time speculators busy borrowing to buy.
see the diff?  tongue.gif
i neutral, not selling, not buying.  biggrin.gif
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those big times investors still buying but they go for bulk buying from developers. small investors do not have strong reseources to fight with them. nod.gif
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noticed a few months back, classified have increase adverts.
when i checked back recently, noticed the thinning classifieds.
dunno how to treat this piece of news. is it bullish or bearish?
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okie  rclxm9.gif but picture will eat more bytes tongue.gif
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new trend is auntie uncle, and fresh new out of college investors buy buy buy all the new launch.
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becos auntie/uncles are baby boom 50's gen, retiring, worked hard and save for their kids b4 maresia became special species world. kids who want own house by 25th b-day!

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Other property forum also more quiet now.

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Other property forum also more quiet now.

The silence below the tragedy???  sweat.gif  sweat.gif  sweat.gif
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yes, the ones i follow realestate and myrealestate both very slow these days.
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What about changing target to invest in shoplots?
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What about changing target to invest in shoplots?
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it is very true. after investors bought few residential prop, they find troublesome to manage them and start to buy shops coz it is easier to manage. I am one of them , hehe. so i foresee residential will be slower while shops will be very very hot. now investors are not buying 1-2 shops but 5-10 shops in one go, eg those successful bizman. (they used to buy 10-20 residence prop in one go). now i hardly find any good new shops to buy. Coz i dun have the power to nego with developers to buy 5-10 units. (oni managed to buy subsale recently, sigh)


Added on July 25, 2011, 9:04 amit is more difficult to invest in shops coz the units are limited, all sapu-ed by richies, unlike residential always has 500-800 units available.


Added on July 25, 2011, 9:10 ambut i still believed shops will be better potential coz msian like to do shopping. (survey results from one of the famous consultant ), haha

also many gerai-gerai will move to shops eventually.. noticed msia is the onli country that allowed so many gerai2 (even at parking lots, road divider, road side, kaki lima, under tree etc). i never see this in HK, China, Singapore, Korea, Japan, Taiwan etc.

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it is very true.  after investors bought few residential prop, they find troublesome to manage them and start to buy shops coz it is easier to manage. I am one of them , hehe.  so i foresee residential will be slower while shops will be very very hot.  now investors are not buying 1-2 shops but 5-10 shops in one go, eg those successful bizman.  (they used to buy 10-20 residence prop in one go). now i hardly find any good new shops to buy. Coz i dun have the power to nego with developers to buy 5-10 units.  (oni managed to buy subsale recently, sigh)

also many gerai-gerai will move to shops eventually.. noticed msia is the onli country that allowed so many gerai2 (even at parking lots, road divider, road side, kaki lima, under tree etc).  i never see this in HK, China, Singapore, Korea, Japan, Taiwan etc.
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sholots - only for for deep pockets. lots of vacant ones for years all over kv, owners just keep. subsale proven rentals won;t come cheap.
spending power of people rising or falling? this fresh article does not bode well for retailers; many seem to eating at home, shopping less:
http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/malaysi...r-rising-costs/

gerais... quite true... because the weather permits it, and lesen lords permit it.
stagnant incomes is main explanation why maresia can't get out of this to join sg-hk-korea but stuck or regress to cambodia-vietnam-indon style.
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Yes definitely I belief further rise possible to properties
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it is possible if salary is not stagnant..
but then, my bro in law said, even seremban props increases.. last time always said that, u wan cheaper landed house, go seremban..
last year, 250k++ still able to get a double storey house, now become 350k++
aiseh.. ppl rather travel further if there's cheaper props.. now seremban house also increases already.. haih..

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becos auntie/uncles are baby boom 50's gen, retiring, worked hard and save for their kids b4 maresia became special species world. kids who want own house by 25th b-day!
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Recently I went to one of property launching. I talk to two aunties and ask why they buy? investment or goreng?

One aunty said it is for her son. Her son still studying in secondary school.

The other one said also for her daugther ... her daughter is now working maybe salary still low. She said her daugther salary definately kenot afford a property and nowaday property increase faster than the salary. So she bought it just in case her daughter wants to move out and stay in it. blink.gif .

Wahlau eh, I hope I got parents like this.

Mcm ni, sure property price will escalate to new high further ....
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I have yet to see any of the political figure saying that bad time is coming and that we should prepare ourselves. Everything is only good. **IF** the finance ministry knows anything coming, e.g. credit crunching, he should warn us and not give us false hope that property price will increase further.
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If the ship is sinking, do tell the rest everything is under control, so you can safely climb to the life boat.

Just broke the neutral balance. tongue.gif
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QUOTE(nkhong @ Jul 25 2011, 03:12 PM)
Recently I went to one of property launching. I talk to two aunties and ask why they buy? investment or goreng?

One aunty said it is for her son. Her son still studying in secondary school.

The other one said also for her daugther ... her daughter is now working maybe salary still low. She said her daugther salary definately kenot afford a property and nowaday property increase faster than the salary. So she bought it just in case her daughter wants to move out and stay in it.  blink.gif .

Wahlau eh, I hope I got parents like this.

Mcm ni, sure property price will escalate to new high further ....
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i wonder.. why they dun start to look for a house for their grandson and granddaugther also... definately they cannot affort too... yawn.gif
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i wonder.. why they dun start to look for a house for their grandson and granddaugther also...  definately they cannot affort too... yawn.gif
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Becoz their grandson/grandaughter will most probably be taken care by their own parents. Similar to what happen in China now ...
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Becoz their grandson/grandaughter will most probably be taken care by their own parents. Similar to what happen in China now ...
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Recently I went to one of property launching. I talk to two aunties and ask why they buy? investment or goreng?

One aunty said it is for her son. Her son still studying in secondary school.

The other one said also for her daugther ... her daughter is now working maybe salary still low. She said her daugther salary definately kenot afford a property and nowaday property
Mcm ni, sure property price will escalate to new high further ....
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Ya maybe should invest one for my kids as well. Bcoz now you only stay one house, maybe you have few kids. Then better keep few houses. As a parent is very hard who to give if only one house.
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Ya maybe should invest one for my kids as well. Bcoz now you only stay one house, maybe you have few kids. Then better keep few houses. As a parent is very hard who to give if only one house.
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yaya.. then better buy few houses for children... if ur hv 3 children.. then buy 3 houses, 4 mean 4 houses... BBB...

But.. dun forget to ask which type of houses they like woh... flat, condo, semi-d or banglo... if they like banglo, then just buy the banglo.. u then not need to worry their future... u can enjoy holiday later on. rclxms.gif

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Haha bro you should buy some for your kids oso ma biggrin.gif
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doh.gif thread is getting rclxub.gif

prices still holding in hot market .. no changes yet .. but a lot more choices now unsure.gif

gold is shotting up to 1.6k and silver also following a bit .. maybe all metal + comodities will follow suit tongue.gif
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what's wrong with buying property for a kid? my friends and myself would very much like to that too if we can.
once my friend highlighted, given the choice between buying a education fund versus buying a property for his kid, he would choose property. he reckon when his kid needs to utilise education fund, he believe the property would provide a better tool in terms of return and also hedging against inflation.
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All the while our country monetary policy is quite conservative since 1998, only minimum foreign investors being active in our country as compared with neighboring counties.
Since 1998 crisis, our economic progressing in very slow moving pace, it have been stagnant for more than ten years. Don’t you feel little bit of boring and frustration?
Last two years of property booming mainly contributed by market “Real need” by young married couples, at the same time investors also taking opportunity to accelerate the properties price into new height. Luxury housing also in demand is due to Baby Boomer is retiring, they required nice and secure home to enjoy their life style concept retirement.
Few years of property booming with cautious mode, now market is in the process of cooling of period.
Most of the buyers need time to absurd the impact and accept the fact that with the high inflation, higher land cost & etc.. property won’t be cheap in price anymore!
I strongly believed that after the market strengthening process, property price will scale to another level before in turn down or crash.
Real buyers who need a home are caught in the dilemma! Buy now or wait to drop?
God only know the answers!

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Kochin,

I agree with you.

I'm getting a house for my kid's education in the future. Although education fund is there, but may not be enough looking at the inflation rate now.

Those days where parents have to fork out their retirement money in their EPF account to sponsor their kids to study. Now, better start planning lor...
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QUOTE(ahsuah @ Jul 26 2011, 09:36 AM)
Kochin,

I agree with you.

I'm getting a house for my kid's education in the future. Although education fund is there, but may not be enough looking at the inflation rate now.

Those days where parents have to fork out their retirement money in their EPF account to sponsor their kids to study. Now, better start planning lor...
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QUOTE(ahsuah @ Jul 26 2011, 09:36 AM)
Kochin,

I agree with you.

I'm getting a house for my kid's education in the future. Although education fund is there, but may not be enough looking at the inflation rate now.

Those days where parents have to fork out their retirement money in their EPF account to sponsor their kids to study. Now, better start planning lor...
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T_T you're a good parent !
haih.. now thinks like.. we owed our children previous life.. now they're coming back and take everything from us [i not yet married]
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Agreed, my parents sold a house to pay for my uni fees tongue.gif.
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QUOTE(CKHong @ Jul 26 2011, 09:41 AM)
T_T  you're a good parent !
haih.. now thinks like.. we owed our children previous life.. now they're coming back and take everything from us [i not yet married]
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TQTQ rolleyes.gif
Well, i believe that when you plan to have a family with kids, i think we are fully responsible for them until they hv their own kids...

Wait till you hv your first kid, and they will make your heart melt ... tongue.gif
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QUOTE(ahsuah @ Jul 26 2011, 09:55 AM)
TQTQ  rolleyes.gif
Well, i believe that when you plan to have a family with kids, i think we are fully responsible for them until they hv their own kids...

Wait till you hv your first kid, and they will make your heart melt ...  tongue.gif
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haha... but then when they cry in the midnite.. make u can't sleep well.. then thats different case..
or when you tell them to eat.. its like u have to shout them..they might ignore/hate u..
or when you ask them to study, they make so many pattern out..
or when you feed them medicine, they struggle..
etc etc..
haha.. can see all of this cus i got quite a number of... [sister's child is call what ah? LOL]
10 !
but then its not like i dun like children.. just that have to get myself prepared.

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Agreed 110 percent with the article on market condition at mont kiara

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think more people are home owners of MK nowadays.
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think more people are home owners of MK nowadays.
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Seriously I think the property market is not heading for crash, yields were decent last time and shrinking
nowadays purely because the perceived value towards real estate had appreciated.
We are not getting 2-3% yield like other regional countries, 4-5% is still very easy to achieve.

One question, do you foresee the rents will be surpressed heavily in the future?
Malaysian economy is still fundamentally healthy, i don't see household debt as a great problem
simply because the collaterals are
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Price subsales reasonable compare to other Newer launches
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QUOTE(kbandito @ Jul 26 2011, 03:06 PM)
Seriously I think the property market is not heading for crash, yields were decent last time and shrinking
nowadays purely because the perceived value towards real estate had appreciated.
We are not getting 2-3% yield like other regional countries, 4-5% is still very easy to achieve.

One question, do you foresee the rents will be surpressed heavily in the future?
Malaysian economy is still fundamentally healthy, i don't see household debt as a great problem
simply because the collaterals are
not rubbish in grade.
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i share the same sentiment as you.
at first i thought we are heading for a correction and the past 6 months has show that we are very resilient to any correction.
new launches have been very encouragingly received.
it will take me another quarter or two to establish my views.
but the amount of new launches is really rclxub.gif
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QUOTE(kochin @ Jul 26 2011, 04:20 PM)
i share the same sentiment as you.
at first i thought we are heading for a correction and the past 6 months has show that we are very resilient to any correction.
new launches have been very encouragingly received.
it will take me another quarter or two to establish my views.
but the amount of new launches is really  rclxub.gif
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There is simply very little risk or even no risk for the developer to have any launching.

History tells us that developer only goes into trouble when they never manage their cash flow well especially when the money earned are used to buy even more land for further development. With the current ballooning property price, the developer would be able to cover their initial land cost and development cost easily even if their property are not fully sold. As far as balance sheet is concerned, it will always be positive for individual development. The way the developer could lose money is due to the drop in company share prices and if their fundamental is strong and prudent, they should be able to sustain. However, the biggest risk taker is actually the purchaser and when any problem strikes, the purchaser is the one that suffers the most. I do not think that the number of new launching and its prices could be taken as an indicator especially to show that the property market is healthy. And again the history tells us that all crashes are preceded by heavy purchases. It is my believe that our property market would be more affected by regional market performance and global condition rather than the local situation because our national GDP is simply too small for our country not to be affected when the globe coughs.

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There is simply very little risk or even no risk for the developer to have any launching.

History tells us that developer only goes into trouble when they never manage their cash flow well especially when the money earned are used to buy even more land for further development. With the current ballooning property price, the developer would be able to cover their initial land cost and development cost easily even if their property are not fully sold. As far as balance sheet is concerned, it will always be positive for individual development. The way the developer could lose money is due to the drop in company share prices and if their fundamental is strong and prudent, they should be able to sustain. However, the biggest risk taker is actually the purchaser and when any problem strikes, the purchaser is the one that suffers the most. I do not think that the number of new launching and its prices could be taken as an indicator especially to show that the property market is healthy. And again the history tells us that all crashes are preceded by heavy purchases. It is my believe that our property market would be more affected by regional market performance and global condition rather than the local situation because our national GDP is simply too small for our country not to be affected when the globe coughs.
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that's why my hats off to TMS.
their turn over so damn fast.
the interview with their chairman, he quoted he treat land as raw materials. it must be consumed immediately to reduce its liability.
lol.
i think they are the only one that can almost simultanenously launch and announce at bursa of their land pruchase. sometimes even before the announcement!
simply amazing.
low risk (since limited holding time for their landbank)
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that's why my hats off to TMS.
their turn over so damn fast.
the interview with their chairman, he quoted he treat land as raw materials. it must be consumed immediately to reduce its liability.
lol.
i think they are the only one that can almost simultanenously launch and announce at bursa of their land pruchase. sometimes even before the announcement!
simply amazing.
low risk (since limited holding time for their landbank)
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UOA Development also perform the same way..kekekeke
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QUOTE(GangHo @ Jul 26 2011, 04:48 PM)
There is simply very little risk or even no risk for the developer to have any launching.

History tells us that developer only goes into trouble when they never manage their cash flow well especially when the money earned are used to buy even more land for further development. With the current ballooning property price, the developer would be able to cover their initial land cost and development cost easily even if their property are not fully sold. As far as balance sheet is concerned, it will always be positive for individual development. The way the developer could lose money is due to the drop in company share prices and if their fundamental is strong and prudent, they should be able to sustain. However, the biggest risk taker is actually the purchaser and when any problem strikes, the purchaser is the one that suffers the most. I do not think that the number of new launching and its prices could be taken as an indicator especially to show that the property market is healthy. And again the history tells us that all crashes are preceded by heavy purchases. It is my believe that our property market would be more affected by regional market performance and global condition rather than the local situation because our national GDP is simply too small for our country not to be affected when the globe coughs.
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good description! thumbup.gif i especially agree with the bolded part - maresia gdp is now smaller than singapore - it cannot withstand global crises.

now, what happens when prop demand slows in the face of new prices too high, ample subsale supply and debt levels reach max for majority of investors?

developers will be forced to slow or stop launching. that's when their cashflow gets hit. those with healthy balance sheets and a good landbank can go on - sell land, swaps, leasing, etc. those with crap balance sheets, weak cashflow and high debt/equity ratio made continuously worse by dwindling stock price will come under severe strain. that's when some of them will be forced to abandon projects or get acquired by some other biggie. or bailout by gomen with taxpayer's money. affected prop buyers, esp housebuyers with epf money will be the ultimate and biggest losers. we've seen all these, no?

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KLCC area condos only 10% occupied. So poor.. doh.gif

http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/busines...patch-says-dtz/


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KL property may enter uncertain patch says DTZ
By Lee Wei LianJuly 26, 2011

The sun sets near the Petronas Twin Towers © and Kuala Lumpur Tower (L) in this file photo of 2009. Global real estate consultancy DTZ in a report released July 26, 2011 pointed out that some developments in the prestigious KLCC area are only 10 per cent occupied. – Reuters picKUALA LUMPUR, July 26 – Declining affordability is expected to impact the local property market with some developments in the prestigious KLCC area only 10 per cent occupied said global real estate consultancy DTZ in a report released today.

The report said that a recent survey of completed projects around the KLCC area revealed that occupancy ranged from a low of about 10 per cent to a high of 80 per cent, with an average of 56 per cent and said that occupancy levels are an issue that investors should be wary of.

“With prices and affordability moving in different directions, the market may enter into an uncertain patch before settling into a more discernible trend,” said DTZ in its report. “Demand will continue to be relatively selective, with strong latent demand building up for more affordable properties in the more established suburbs.”

The retail market meanwhile is expected to be impacted from more sluggish consumer sentiment as high inflation eats away at household disposable income.

“Occupancy rate of retail centres is stable but leasing up rate of newly completed centres are becoming more challenging, exhibiting a tougher retail environment across even established neighbourhoods,” said DTZ in a press release that accompanied its property report.

“It is hoped that in the short term, the tourism sector will provide more support, with higher targeted arrivals, whether in its various forms such as medical, sport,education or business.”

While Malaysia does not have a housing affordability index, a rough calculation shows the average price of a KL residential property is now about RM485,000, or roughly nine times the average urban household annual income of RM54,000 and a possible sign that the market is experiencing a bubble.

The Demographia International Housing Affordability Survey rates markets whose property prices are 5.1 times median income or more, as “severely unaffordable”.

The National House Buyers Association (HBA) had warned in May that an entire generation of young adults risk being locked out of the property market due to runaway house prices.

Prices of residential properties in and around the Klang Valley had increased by up to 30 per cent last year thanks to a combination of low interest rates and ample liquidity.

The gains chalked up by the property market last year are unlikely to be repeated however as buyer sentiment could be hit by anti-speculation measures introduced last year and an ample supply of new units coming into the market.

A large number of properties were launched in 2008 and 2009 under easy financing campaigns like the 5/95 and 10/90 schemes offered by developers and these projects will be coming online between the third quarter of this year and the first quarter of next year and the new supply could put the brakes on prices.

The DTZ report noted that capital values in the city have been relatively stable at an average of RM603 per sq ft with KLCC properties averaging RM910 per sq ft.

It also noted that the supply of completed homes in the KLCC area is already turning it into a tenant’s market.

“There is also ample supply of units available in the secondary market with owners now able to transact freely unlike when the projects are under construction,” said DTZ.

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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Jul 26 2011, 05:54 PM)
good description! thumbup.gif i especially agree with the bolded part - maresia gdp is now smaller than singapore - it cannot withstand global crises.

now, what happens when prop demand slows in the face of new prices too high, ample subsale supply and debt levels reach max for majority of investors?

developers will be forced to slow or stop launching. that's when their cashflow gets hit. those with healthy balance sheets and a good landbank can go on - sell land, swaps, leasing, etc. those with crap balance sheets, weak cashflow and high debt/equity ratio made continuously worse by dwindling stock price will come under severe strain. that's when some of them will be forced to abandon projects or get acquired by some other biggie. or bailout by gomen with taxpayer's money. affected prop buyers, esp housebuyers with epf money will be the ultimate and biggest losers. we've seen all these, no?
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that's why it's utmost important to buy from 'reliable' developer in these trying periods and make sure they would not abandon the projects.
good luck to those who have vested in abu, ah kau dan samy sdn bhd.
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KL property may enter uncertain patch says DTZ
By Lee Wei LianJuly 26, 2011

The sun sets near the Petronas Twin Towers © and Kuala Lumpur Tower (L) in this file photo of 2009. Global real estate consultancy DTZ in a report released July 26, 2011 pointed out that some developments in the prestigious KLCC area are only 10 per cent occupied. – Reuters picKUALA LUMPUR, July 26 – Declining affordability is expected to impact the local property market with some developments in the prestigious KLCC area only 10 per cent occupied said global real estate consultancy DTZ in a report released today.

The report said that a recent survey of completed projects around the KLCC area revealed that occupancy ranged from a low of about 10 per cent to a  high of 80 per cent, with an average of 56 per cent and said that occupancy levels are an issue that investors should be wary of.


low accupancy or high vacancy rate is a fact that new condo buyers shld not take it lightly....this phenomenon not just limited in KLCC but spreading across KV.


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low accupancy or high vacancy rate is a fact that new condo buyers shld not take it lightly....this phenomenon not just limited in KLCC but spreading across KV.
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this figure published in their report in 1Q 2011. don't you see ranging from 10% to 80%. average about 50-60% in general. Still some condos are achieving good occupancy rate.


Added on July 26, 2011, 8:33 pmCity&Country: Large condos may be a thing of the past
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By Wong King Wai of The Edge Malaysia
Sunday, 24 July 2011 00:00

Developers are moving towards building condominiums with smaller units, which means there will be a limited supply of large condos in Mont’Kiara in the future, a scenario for investors to consider.
Several developers in the high-end, high-rise residential enclave, such as Sunrise Bhd (now a subsidiary of UEM Land Holdings Bhd), Bukit Kiara Properties (BKP), Ireka Corp Bhd and Sunway City Bhd, have chosen to build condos with an average size of 2,000 sq ft and above.
“We launched 10 Mont’Kiara and 11 Mont’Kiara a few years ago when we saw demand for larger condos, especially among expatriate families of a minimum of two adults and three children,” says Anne Tong, Sunrise’s general manager for branding and community development.
The seven-acre freehold 10 Mont’Kiara, which was completed in 2009, offers 332 units in two 43-storey towers. The typical units are between 3,478 and 4,090 sq ft in size. Tenants living in 10 Mont’Kiara are mostly professionals working for MNCs in mainly the oil and gas, banking and mining sectors. Their nationalities vary from American, British, French and Australian to Indian, Swiss and Canadian.
To help owners who have bought Sunrise products, a new division — hospitality and corporate marketing (HCM) — was created in 2009 to help owners lease out their units at no extra cost to them.
“We try to assist our existing customers in generating yield, prompting revenue growth and occupancy of their properties through medium and long-term leasing as well as resale consultations for optimal property value,” Anne says.
HCM basically acts on behalf of the owners, dealing with real estate agents and even helping with viewings. It also ensures that rents are fair and there is no undercutting in order to create a stable rental market for Sunrise products. The owners only meet the tenants when it is time to sign the tenancy agreement.
“We work with the agencies, real estate agents, embassies and corporations directly to help owners find tenants and potential tenants find accommodation,” Anne explains.
Some 400 owners have listed with HCM for rent and resale so far.
Currently, 176 of 10 Mont’Kiara’s 332 condos are occupied. Of this number, 94 are rented out while the remaining units are occupied by the owners. Rents are between RM10,000 and RM15,000 or RM3.20 and RM3.70 psf, depending on whether the units are partly or fully furnished. Gross rental yields, according to Anne, are between 5% and 6%.
The other condo projects by Sunrise with large units are 11 Mont’Kiara and 28 Mont’Kiara. The former, which has been completed and will be handed over next month, sits on 5.3 acres. It features five 43-storey towers with a total of 339 units whose built-ups range from 2,707 to 4,695 sq ft.
The latter, which comprises two 40-storey towers and is still under construction, sits on 4.87 acres. It has 460 units with the typical ones being between 2,535 and 3,000 sq ft in size. Slated for completion in 2013, 28 Mont’Kiara has a gross development value of RM998 million.
According to Anne, 28 Mont’Kiara is Sunrise’s last project in Mont’Kiara that will feature large units. “Moving forward, Sunrise will be building smaller units catering to young professionals.”
Sunrise will launch its latest development — 20 Mont’Kiara — in 2H2011. Situated near Plaza Mont’Kiara, this mixed-use development will feature a hotel, SoHos, luxury serviced residences, business suites and boutique retail outlets. It sits on six acres of freehold land and has an estimated GDV of RM1 billion. The built-up of the serviced residences is between 850 and 2,000 sq ft.
Sunrise is synonymous with the development of Mont’Kiara, having completed at least 14 condominium and three commercial projects in the area. Over the years, it has introduced numerous services to its residents, including a free community shuttle service, a toll-free customer call centre, mobile security patrol, public road CCTV system and night guard dog teams. It also organises regular social and recreational activities for its residents. The developer has also regularly come out tops in product quality in The Edge Top Property Developers Awards.
With the merger of Sunrise with UEM Land, the expanded group is focused on continuing Sunrise’s strong brand name in the area “by delivering sustainable community living and appreciating value to stakeholders”, says Datuk Wan Abdullah Wan Ibrahim, UEM Land’s managing director and CEO. “UEM Land recognises Sunrise’s reputation and expertise in the area of upmarket high-rise residential and commercial developments. We will ensure that continuous value-creation initiatives are implemented in Mont’Kiara.”
With regard to concerns about traffic congestion, Wan Abdullah says, “The residents of Mont’Kiara are now enjoying smoother traffic flow with the opening of the Jalan Duta-Kiara Bridge as an alternative route to and from Jalan Duta. In addition, we will be mobilising our newly formed Sunrise auxiliary police to assist in traffic management during peak hours.”
In BKP’s Hijauan Kiara, which was handed over in 2008, the unit sizes range from 2,090 to 3,732 sq ft.
BKP's Hijauan Kiara, completed in 2008, was built to cater to the demand for larger sized units
“We built Hijauan Kiara with large built-ups because of the demand for such sizes at the time in Mont’Kiara,” says N K Tong, BKP’s group managing director. “We also wanted to have a very low density and exclusive project after our Aman Kiara development. Thus, large built-ups came to mind.”
Aman Kiara, BKP’s maiden project, is an exclusive gated and guarded precinct of 19 bungalows and 12 duplex condovillas and was launched in 2002.
To help the owners rent out their Hijauan Kiara condos, BKP is working with several exclusive real estate agencies. “We are offering ourselves as the go-between to real estate agents and homeowners at no cost to them,” says N K.
Current rents at Hijauan Kiara average RM3.50 psf for unfurnished units. The number of tenants has increased steadily over the years and some 80% of the units are occupied now.
Hijauan Kiara has 188 units, with no more than two per floor and each unit with its own lift lobby. The 5.4-acre project was launched in 2005.
Ireka Corp’s SENI Mont’Kiara, which offers units with built-ups that start at 2,347 sq ft, is still under development. Phase 1 was handed over in May this year while Phase 2 may be completed and handed over by the end of this year. “The large units are in response to our buyers and a market that wanted more luxurious and larger condos in Mont’Kiara,” says Ireka Corp’s president and CEO Lai Voon Hon.
Ireka also provides leasing and sub-sales assistance to its condo owners via a partnership with real estate agency One Real Estate Sdn Bhd. The agency also helps customise accommodation according to the needs and budgets of tenants.
Its Tiffani by i-ZEN offers smaller units of 1,235 sq ft onwards. Rents are between RM2 psf and RM5 psf. The project has two towers — one 28 storeys and the other 29 storeys — with a total of 399 units and sits on 3.6 acres.
SENI Mont’Kiara sits on 8.83 acres and features two 40-storey towers and two 12-storey towers offering a total of 605 units.
Meanwhile, SunCity’s Sunway Vivaldi will be handed over to owners in 3Q2011, according to senior manager for marketing and sales Vincent Eyu. Unit sizes start from 2,573 sq ft.
“We built large units to cater to growing demand for such homes. Many people are moving out of bungalows to condos for security and maintenance reasons.”
He reveals that SunCity works with real estate agency Nova Realty, which provides leasing services to the condo owners. Sunway Vivaldi comprises three 20-storey towers and three 9-storey towers with a total of 228 units. It sits on 7.7 acres.


This article appeared in City & Country, the property pullout of The Edge Malaysia, Issue 864, June 27-July 3, 2011


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this figure published in their report in 1Q 2011. don't you see ranging from 10% to 80%. average about 50-60% in general. Still some condos are achieving good occupancy rate.
is average 50-60% a good indicator for ppl to invest their hard earned money in condo?

is the condo occupancy trend going up or down...you shld know better

like i said below....pls continue your salesman talk as i am benefitting from it
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KL property may enter uncertain patch says DTZ
By Lee Wei LianJuly 26, 2011

While Malaysia does not have a housing affordability index, a rough calculation shows the average price of a KL residential property is now about RM485,000, or roughly nine times the average urban household annual income of RM54,000 and a possible sign that the market is experiencing a bubble.

The Demographia International Housing Affordability Survey rates markets whose property prices are 5.1 times median income or more, as “severely unaffordable”.

Long article, but pls do not miss that part!

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Affordability index is a good indicator used in key mkts like HK, SG and Aust.....sadly MY mkt yet to reach that status

the absence of prop indicators eg affordability index, median price, vacancy indec, etc serve good opportunity for some vested parties to dupe newbie investors.....sedih tapi benar!
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QUOTE(jet2020 @ Jul 26 2011, 08:45 PM)
is average 50-60% a good indicator for ppl to invest their hard earned money in condo?

is the condo occupancy trend going up or down...you shld know better

like i said below....pls continue your salesman talk as i am benefitting from it
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LOL...depend on your luck.

by the way, you already make a lot. as long as you do not dispose any your properties, you will make more.

I am not DIRECT salesman anyway, just kepoh kepoh here coz a lot of information I can get from here.

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Long article, but pls do not miss that part!
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Nine times? it should be more, just time matter.

and we don't know how the calculation base. LOL

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LOL...depend on your luck.

by the way, you already make a lot. as long as you do not dispose any your properties, you will make more.

I am not DIRECT salesman anyway, just kepoh kepoh here coz a lot of information I can get from here.

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i am waiting for the right time to dispose and invest....every exit shld follow immediately with another entry....this is my investment rule.

you are no diff with SAs when you keep promoting new devs.... thumbup.gif
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i am waiting for the right time to dispose and invest....every exit shld follow immediately with another entry....this is my investment rule.

you are no diff with SAs when you keep promoting new devs.... thumbup.gif
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coz new developments entry costs lower nowadays and better designs and promising than tropics...kekekeke
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new dev like PJ Icon City is 'good' entry cost, izzit? TMS including me will love ppl like you....
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new dev like PJ Icon City is 'good' entry cost, izzit? TMS including me will love ppl like you....
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i see it as a good buy (not goodbye) as long as the buyers can afford. brows.gif
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ohh, you also a buyer from TMS Icon City? kekeke
sadly, my pocket is not deep enuff to buy Icon City.....
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sadly, my pocket is not deep enuff to buy Icon City.....
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I am predicting next year many flippers will get drown looking at the current buying trend... most young investors targeting new dev due to inflated subsale prop which are far ahead of valuation
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I am predicting next year many flippers will get drown looking at the current buying trend... most young investors targeting new dev due to inflated subsale prop which are far ahead of valuation
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new development should get quotation of building from QS..kekekeke....costs to build higher, what to do?

even nowadays do some renovations also "pang pang pang seng"
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new development should get quotation of building from QS..kekekeke....costs to build higher, what to do?

even nowadays do some renovations also "pang pang pang seng"
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all project offer low entry cost as low as Rm 1000 for the Rm350+K condo, medium class people (or low) able to buy......they might not
think about repayment after handling over, simply think to investment for $$$......if cash flow not strong all gone.
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all project offer low entry cost as low as Rm 1000 for the Rm350+K condo, medium class people (or low) able to buy......they might not
think about repayment after handling over, simply think to investment for $$$......if cash flow not strong all gone.
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because they thought that.. they may able to accumulate $$ in 3 yrs time to sustain for anything happen... it is not hard to predict...

i agreed once crash everything gone...
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because they thought that.. they may able to accumulate $$ in 3 yrs time to sustain for anything happen... it is not hard to predict...

i agreed once crash everything gone...
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I am predicting next year many flippers will get drown looking at the current buying trend... most young investors targeting new dev due to inflated subsale prop which are far ahead of valuation
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You think new launches are ALL selling at fair price and valuation genuinely justify that?
People who can't afford subsales will look at new launches mainly
due to the discounts, interest-free and less outlay incentives, which is often time not available for subsales.
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you can also put it that way
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Just back from 'yam cha' (drink tea) with two friends. Found out that one of them just bought a 2nd prop and another just bought a 3rd prop around Klang Valley.

Looks like the market momentum is still good going forward... wink.gif
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QUOTE(lch78 @ Jul 27 2011, 12:43 AM)
Just back from 'yam cha' (drink tea) with two friends. Found out that one of them just bought a 2nd prop and another just bought a 3rd prop around Klang Valley.

Looks like the market momentum is still good going forward... wink.gif
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Are they stretching their finance to the limit?

if yes, than it is not a good sign for the market,
because it is a momentum in reduce spending power.

The market have yet fully recover, but economic is heading in a not so good direction,

high inflation and over-leveraging.
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Are they stretching their finance to the limit?

if yes, than it is not a good sign for the market,
because it is a momentum in reduce spending power.

The market have yet fully recover, but economic is heading in a not so good direction,

high inflation and over-leveraging.
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They are stretching, but it is not over-stretch yet as both are high income earners. The props they bought is service-apt type. No need to succumb to LTV70 rule.
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They are stretching, but it is not over-stretch yet as both are high income earners. The props they bought is service-apt type. No need to succumb to LTV70 rule.
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They are stretching, but it is not over-stretch yet as both are high income earners. The props they bought is service-apt type. No need to succumb to LTV70 rule.
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based on ur fren case

stretching in second half 2011,

over-stretching in first half 2012

over-stretching to the limit in second half 2012

boom at 1st half of 2013......so market will crash in 2013......haha

actually i got a fren also putting himself in the risk, he play bursa, buy few new propertys and new car...brave heart.....optimistic view.


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Hi all, I'm noob here.
Just want to ask. usually if you guys play property, when you say stretching, does it means maximize all your 1/3 income to pay for the property repayment or more?

Another question is I saw alot of properties with owners are cashing out their properties although they are still tenanted and quite profitable (about RM600 - RM800 rental). These apartments are sold RM180k - RM250k.

Hope all the sifu here can give some good advise here. Is it good to buy? Thanks.
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They are stretching, but it is not over-stretch yet as both are high income earners. The props they bought is service-apt type. No need to succumb to LTV70 rule.
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Really, service apartment can escape 70%LTV rules?
I thought LTV did't apply for commercial building only.
Anybody can clarify

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Hi all, I'm noob here.
Just want to ask. usually if you guys play property, when you say stretching, does it means maximize all your 1/3 income to pay for the property repayment or more?

Another question is I saw alot of properties with owners are cashing out their properties although they are still tenanted and quite profitable (about RM600 - RM800 rental). These apartments are sold RM180k - RM250k.

Hope all the sifu here can give some good advise here. Is it good to buy? Thanks.
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low end prop (old and less than 200k type) has little or nomore appreciation. so it is better to cash out now and invest in higher rerurn assets.
low end prop tend to become worst if it turn to drug addict, illegal workers home. (not now but maybe in near future)
many ppl are now reside or move to better condo..even students..
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QUOTE(lucerne @ Jul 27 2011, 12:17 PM)
low end prop (old and less than 200k type) has little or nomore appreciation. so it is better to cash out now and invest in higher rerurn assets.
low end prop tend to become worst if it turn to drug addict, illegal workers home. (not now but maybe in near future)
many ppl are now reside or move to better condo..even students..
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kekekeke....with some exemption lo....e.g. those old condos in Taman desa / Kuchai Lama / Setapak / OUG and bla bla bla...

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how high??
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based on ur fren case

stretching in second half 2011,

over-stretching  in first half 2012

over-stretching to the limit in second half 2012 

boom at 1st half of 2013......so market will crash in 2013......haha

actually i got a fren also putting himself in the risk, he play bursa, buy few new propertys and new car...brave heart.....optimistic view.
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Unless money supply drops drastically next year, otherwise the market will still be flushed with liquidity. As long as there is still a large amount of cash floating in the market, many people, like your friend will continue to dabble in risks. Banks need to loan out the cash, risk takers will borrow and dabble in stocks, properties, etc. The recent SRR increase doesn't really affect banks hoarding of cash. M-3 supply has grown another RM106B from July last year till May this year.

I really don't see how property market will crash in the short to mid term as long as the money keeps rolling in (thanks to US anyway for their quantitative easing). hmm.gif

Moderation of property prices in the short term maybe, as no. of barriers increase for property buyer. Many ppl will pause to see see look look what is the next development. Then after awhile, ppl will think "What is my money doing in the banks earning less than the inflation rate?" And then the property price graph start to continue upwards movement...

Of course, I am not saying a crash won't happen, it is just that I don't see the signs yet. laugh.gif

Something for reading, which is a good piece from BNM:

Attached File  bnm_eng.pdf ( 1.67mb ) Number of downloads: 79


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kh8668, those condo you mentioned, is there a potential for further capital appreciation or just ROI? Those are also the place where I'm looking at.

If usually more then RM200k with current BLR, the ROI would usually be negative cash flow isn't it?
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kh8668, those condo you mentioned, is there a potential for further capital appreciation or just ROI? Those are also the place where I'm looking at.

If usually more then RM200k with current BLR, the ROI would usually be negative cash flow isn't it?
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e.g de tropicana @ Kuchai (opposite kuchai avenue). that one i tried to bid at 115k last year (Q4), now transacted above 180k.

leasehold left about 50-70 years (not remembered).

Bukit OUD condo.

Taman Desa those less than 400k, but psf still low about <300psf.

a lot more if you really look for them. Open up Ho Chin Soon Condo/Serv.Apt Map to search one by one. LOL
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QUOTE(lch78 @ Jul 27 2011, 01:34 PM)
I don't know for sure. Let's just say they still can continue living their lifestyle even after the purchase.  smile.gif
Unless money supply drops drastically next year, otherwise the market will still be flushed with liquidity. As long as there is still a large amount of cash floating in the market, many people, like your friend will continue to dabble in risks. Banks need to loan out the cash, risk takers will borrow and dabble in stocks, properties, etc. The recent SRR increase doesn't really affect banks hoarding of cash. M-3 supply has grown another RM106B from July last year till May this year.

I really don't see how property market will crash in the short to mid term as long as the money keeps rolling in (thanks to US anyway for their quantitative easing). hmm.gif

Moderation of property prices in the short term maybe, as no. of barriers increase for property buyer. Many ppl will pause to see see look look what is the next development. Then after awhile, ppl will think "What is my money doing in the banks earning less than the inflation rate?" And then the property price graph start to continue upwards movement...

Of course, I am not saying a crash won't happen, it is just that I don't see the signs yetlaugh.gif

Something for reading, which is a good piece from BNM:

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QUOTE(lch78 @ Jul 27 2011, 12:34 PM)
I don't know for sure. Let's just say they still can continue living their lifestyle even after the purchase.  smile.gif
Unless money supply drops drastically next year, otherwise the market will still be flushed with liquidity. As long as there is still a large amount of cash floating in the market, many people, like your friend will continue to dabble in risks. Banks need to loan out the cash, risk takers will borrow and dabble in stocks, properties, etc. The recent SRR increase doesn't really affect banks hoarding of cash. M-3 supply has grown another RM106B from July last year till May this year.

I really don't see how property market will crash in the short to mid term as long as the money keeps rolling in (thanks to US anyway for their quantitative easing). hmm.gif

Moderation of property prices in the short term maybe, as no. of barriers increase for property buyer. Many ppl will pause to see see look look what is the next development. Then after awhile, ppl will think "What is my money doing in the banks earning less than the inflation rate?" And then the property price graph start to continue upwards movement...

Of course, I am not saying a crash won't happen, it is just that I don't see the signs yet.  laugh.gif

Something for reading, which is a good piece from BNM:

Attached File  bnm_eng.pdf ( 1.67mb ) Number of downloads: 79

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wah, seem like you are from property industry....

but i agree with you.. laugh.gif

no crash in mid term but the risk is high for property investment. yah, no pain no gain. good luck.

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If QE3 materialized, inflation will be even higher. Price of commodities will skyrocket, including house. Bnm will raise rates, it will make owning a house even more difficult.
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If QE3 materialized, inflation will be even higher. Price of commodities will skyrocket, including house. Bnm will raise rates, it will make owning a house even more difficult.
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the notion of qe1-2-3, incr money supply, too much cash chasing too few goods, inflation and therefore prices keep going up... can only be correct up to a point. there is also a parallel thing happening - high inflation is a precursor to a recession followed by price corrections as demand drops drastically for a period. then comes recovery, new cycle begins.

when your pocket does not permit it, can't afford a good pizza, how to pay more rent or buy new pricey house?

dun misss this impt part too of that article! we got lots of new malls coming - shop till you drop or drop some shopping?
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By Lee Wei LianJuly 26, 2011

The retail market meanwhile is expected to be impacted from more sluggish consumer sentiment as high inflation eats away at household disposable income.


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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Jul 27 2011, 01:46 PM)
the notion of qe1-2-3, incr money supply, too much cash chasing too few goods, inflation and therefore prices keep going up... can only be correct up to a point. there is also a parallel thing happening - high inflation is a precursor to a recession followed by price corrections as demand drops drastically for a period. then comes recovery, new cycle begins.

when your pocket does not permit it, can't afford a good pizza, how to pay more rent or buy new pricey house?

dun misss this impt part too of that article! we got lots of new malls coming - shop till you drop or drop some shopping?
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Rich Chinese turn to Malaysia for property bargains
Jul 27, 2011
With China’s real estate sector in a slump, a number of wealthy Chinese are looking to Malaysia for bargains.

At the height of China’s real estate boom in 2009, Qiu Liping turned to Malaysia’s moderate housing market by investing three million yuan for the purchase of an apartment close to Kuala Lumpur’s Petronas Twin Towers.

“I had doubts about my first property investment in Malaysia at the time but I was even more doubtful about China's relentless housing prices after years of skyrocketing increases,” recalled Qiu, a 45-year-old Shanghai resident.

Prior to the purchase and before the central government’s clampdown on property speculation, she had acquired properties in Shanghai, western Chongqing and Sanya in Hainan province.

“I was considering investing in Australia but after careful and prudent selection, I chose Malaysia, which is closer to China and more importantly, (where) people speak Chinese. So I'm planning to live there when I retire,” said Qiu, who invested over 11 million yuan in two more apartments in Malaysia’s capital in 2010, following a forecast that her investment would likely generate a return of 15 percent by this year.

“This year, we have clients with more than 10 million yuan each to invest in Malaysian properties. That's never happened before,” said Sophia Xia, Managing Director of Shanghai’s Super City Group, a real estate brokerage.

Aside from China’s stringent housing curbs, Chinese investors also venture into Malaysia due to the “high risk” areas for investment in Hong Kong and Shanghai, Malaysia’s foreigner-friendly “My Second Home” Programme, the ringgit’s strengthening against the US dollar and the prediction that the Malaysian property market will appraise as high as 20 percent.

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QUOTE(sampool @ Jul 27 2011, 02:01 PM)
No GE... how u see the sign... 3 months after GE u will kena it...
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My view is constructed solely based on economic data. I don't factor in non-data news like GE, US default, China crash, 2012, etc. Of course, any of these uncertain events happening will eventually affect the data. I'll go rclxub.gif if I am to factor in those uncertainties. laugh.gif


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wah, seem like you are from property industry....

but i agree with you.. laugh.gif

no crash in mid term but the risk is high for property investment. yah, no pain no gain. good luck.
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IP Global pinning hopes on KL's buoyant property market
Jul 27, 2011 - HomeGuru.com.my

".....Meanwhile, Kuala Lumpur has emerged as one of IP Global’s primary markets. According to the Real Estate and Housing Developers’ Association of Malaysia, Kuala Lumpur will witness price increases of between 15 and 30 percent this year...................."

“What excites me most is the huge growth potential for Kuala Lumpur to further develop its international standard office space and high quality, luxury residential apartments,” said Tim Murphy, CEO and Founder of IP Global, in an interview with HomeGuru.

“Malaysia’s economic transformation programme will drive 3.3 million new jobs with 4.3 million urban inhabitants expected to commute in the next 10 years, mainly to Kuala Lumpur. This means that the power of the economy will be driven primarily to Kuala Lumpur.”

When asked if the positive trend is expected to continue into 2012, Murphy said Kuala Lumpur’s performance is likely to stay strong towards the end of this year.

He added that the Malaysian government’s stimulus package will support further economic growth, which will impact the real estate market positively in future.

Overall sentiment in the property market remains positive, although there are concerns regarding an oversupply of condominiums in certain locations.

IP Global said that one of the longer-term consequences of the high levels of inward investment into Malaysia will be increasing demand from multinational companies for international-standard, as well as high quality luxury residential apartments.

Kuala Lumpur continues to be one of IP Global's primary markets and “we expect performance to remain robust throughout 2011,” it noted.

For more information, please visit IP Global’s website at http://www.ipglobal-ltd.com/. You may also email them at info@ipglobal-ltd.com.

To contact the journalist, you may send your message to editor@homeguru.com.my
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i think ur better dun listen the NEWS to buy prop mainly for investment... Any news release is toward bubble if any.. more news more confirm of the bubble... this concept can apply in the next 100 years... THERE IS NOT NEED HARDSELL IN ORDER TO LET GO THE GOOD INVESTMENT & VISE VERSA.
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no worries. the market will correct itself. cheers


Added on July 28, 2011, 10:26 amhttp://my.news.yahoo.com/music-stop-060818932.html

the music will stop?

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Msia office market attracting a lot of interest
Jul 28, 2011 - HomeGuru.com.my
German-based Union Investment Real Estate GmbH (UIRE) is looking to invest in Malaysia’s office property market over the next two to three years.

“It’s possible that we might look for other investments of a similar kind priced from RM200-RM400 million,” said Ulrich Dischler, Managing Director of UIRE Asia Pacific.

Dischler was speaking at the handover of its initial property investment in Malaysia, in an office tower under the CapSquare development in Kuala Lumpur by Bandar Raya Developments Bhd (BRDB).

The company acquired CapSquare Tower for RM440 million in 2008, which marked UIRE’s first venture into Malaysia.

“The price depends on market situation — every location is different, every quality is different. It depends on the right building, right location and appropriate market price,” he added.

Datuk Jagan Sabapathy, Chief Executive of BRDB, said that UIRE’s investment in Kuala Lumpur’s property market is noteworthy, as it shows confidence in Malaysia.

“Despite the banking crisis in the US and Europe in 2009 that had a significant knock on effect on global real estate, UIRE stood by and completed this purchase,” he quipped.

CapSquare Tower is part of the CapSquare development, which encompasses 15 acres of prime land and houses the Menara Multi-Purpose, as well as two luxury residential towers, CapSquare retail and UNITAR campus.

The freehold development, which is the second high-rise commercial building developed in CapSquare, comprises a 41-storey office tower and has a net lettable space of around 600,000 sq ft.


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Last week I have a chat with my cousin, he told me that he was waiting for the economy to crash to get a good buy. Well, I told him that he can still get a good buy in any point of time.
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Last week I have a chat with my cousin, he told me that he was waiting for the economy to crash to get a good buy. Well, I told him that he can still get a good buy in any point of time.
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a lot of people are hoping for this but they might have to wait another 7 years before the anticipated 'bubble-burst', which may or may not happen. How far the bubble bursts is also another issue...
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a lot of people are hoping for this but they might have to wait another 7 years before the anticipated 'bubble-burst', which may or may not happen. How far the bubble bursts is also another issue...
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Yes i heard it will keep going up for next 10yrs. Dont let the buying stops smile.gif


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Yes i heard it will keep going up for next 10yrs. Dont let the buying stops  smile.gif
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I dont think you could find any condo for less than RM1000psf by then.

please take note our property is one of the cheapest in the region and there are lots of foreign investors.
better buy now and sell to the foreigners at a profit later.

also, it is damn shame without your own house when most of the working class has more than 3 properties. smile.gif
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KEKEKE...wow...suddenly feeling "hope" is rising. Cheers guys...


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Last week I have a chat with my cousin, he told me that he was waiting for the economy to crash to get a good buy. Well, I told him that he can still get a good buy in any point of time.
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haha...no oni ur cousin.....my group of friend oso waiting.......they stop to buy early of last year and start to sell end of last year.....they all come from mid incoming group (7k ~ 12k). biggrin.gif
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market swings. the past few months all is doom and gloom and now so many gung-ho again?
next week will be a VERY interesting week to know where we are heading.
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market swings. the past few months all is doom and gloom and now so many gung-ho again?
next week will be a VERY interesting week to know where we are heading.
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Why next week would be VERY interesting week to know where we are heading?
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Why next week would be VERY interesting week to know where we are heading?
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Aug 2? brows.gif

Many ppl around the globe are excited on this date...

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HSBC to slash over 10,000 jobs
http://www.btimes.com.my/Current_News/BTIM...icle/index_html

BlackBerry maker RIM to cut 2000 jobs
http://www.computerweekly.com/Articles/201...o-cut-costs.htm


So, How?

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The jobs they cut in the West, might be outsourced to here. biggrin.gif
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market swings. the past few months all is doom and gloom and now so many gung-ho again?
next week will be a VERY interesting week to know where we are heading.
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This is why it's called speculating. Nobody really knows what's gonna happen. Just make guesses and place your bet.

If banks and speculators don't back up, in theory the party will never stop.
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Singaporeans snapping up Malaysia homes

Singapore’s skyrocketing property prices have led many Singaporeans to look for opportunities overseas, with Malaysia as the most popular location.

According to a Q2 Sentiment Survey by PropertyGuru, Singapore's leading property website, nearly 45 percent of Singaporeans are eyeing property investment outside Singapore and 37 percent listed Malaysia as their most preferred foreign country for property investment.

“Malaysia as a country has extremely strong fundamentals and the property market there tends to be a lot less volatile,” said Tom O'Reilly, Director at Singapore Tenancy Management.

“For the same amount of money, people can often afford to invest in multiple properties in Malaysia which helps them diversify risk and still generate positive returns.”

Many property investors and buyers in Singapore are also focussing on overseas investments and commercial properties, with Malaysia, Australia and India increasingly becoming popular.

The survey, which had more than 2,200 respondents, aimed to gain a better perspective on the Singapore property market, current consumer sentiment and how it may affect future property decisions.

Steve Melhuish, CEO of PropertyGuru, said the “latest quarterly survey gives an interesting insight into current sentiment towards the property market.”

“As a result, we can expect buyers to be more discerning, intensifying their search before making a purchase. PropertyGuru addresses this need by providing the largest database of available property for sale or rent.”


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Nowadays buying property also needs to compete each others.
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low end prop (old and less than 200k type) has little or nomore appreciation. so it is better to cash out now and invest in higher rerurn assets.
low end prop tend to become worst if it turn to drug addict, illegal workers home. (not now but maybe in near future)
many ppl are now reside or move to better condo..even students..
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Got abadi ria, at taman abadi indah. At taman desa.
Leasehold. Condo ok la.
Now rm380k. Hitting rm400k
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Nowadays buying property also needs to compete each others.
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got competition only challenging mar...
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Now buying demand > new stocks supply

Cool
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Data shows deeper recession, sharper slowdown

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/07/29/...E76S3KH20110729

good luck!
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Data shows deeper recession, sharper slowdown

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/07/29/...E76S3KH20110729

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good .. can start to bring out the chopping board and 1kg parang drool.gif
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later on we will count how many ppl surrounding us will go bankrupt.... sad.gif



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No way...kekekeke.....

anytime is buying time....anytime is selling time too...

anytime got people get richer, anytime got people get poorer too...

Coz the world is globe-shaped....
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No way...kekekeke.....

anytime is buying time....anytime is selling time too...

anytime got people get richer, anytime got people get poorer too...

Coz the world is globe-shaped....
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ppl with gambling attitude sure lah.... anytime got people get richer, anytime got people get poorer too...

we r talk about economic with logical thinking...
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ppl with gambling attitude sure lah.... anytime got people get richer, anytime got people get poorer too...

we r talk about economic with logical thinking...
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Example: your bosses get richer; you are getting poorer. Lol
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today will see a tussle of crowd between those who opt for landed in glenmarie or highrise in ttdi.
both same day preview.
am guessing bbb is still very alife in this two projects.
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Example: your bosses get richer; you are getting poorer. Lol
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successful boses = 5% .... we can said they r rich...
employee = 95% .... u should know the answer....

definately cannot compare like that lah...


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QUOTE(kochin @ Jul 30 2011, 09:36 AM)
today will see a tussle of crowd between those who opt for landed in glenmarie or highrise in ttdi.
both same day preview.
am guessing bbb is still very alife in this two projects.
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actually... the data is important... i hope the condo are sapu within 1 or 2 days time.... then the 1997 pattern will be repeated if nothing goes wrong....

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QUOTE(sampool @ Jul 30 2011, 08:45 AM)
successful boses = 5% .... we can said they r rich...
employee = 95% .... u should know the answer....

definately cannot compare like that lah...


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actually... the data is important... i hope the condo are sapu within 1 or 2 days time.... then the 1997 pattern will be repeated if nothing goes wrong....
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Lol... Why u so confident the 97 pattern will be repeated? And When you expected? Any suggestion data?
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Lol... Why u so confident the 97 pattern will be repeated? And When you expected? Any suggestion data?
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pls spend some times to read news from internet.... below is just 1 among the hundred news... k

http://www.npr.org/2011/07/29/138838318/ho...ing?ft=1&f=1006

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pls spend some times to read news from internet.... below is just 1 among the hundred news... k

http://www.npr.org/2011/07/29/138838318/ho...ing?ft=1&f=1006

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Lol... I'm laughing!

Good news also tonne of them on nets.
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today will see a tussle of crowd between those who opt for landed in glenmarie or highrise in ttdi.
both same day preview.
am guessing bbb is still very alife in this two projects.
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Hot projects why not advertised in the newspapers. Hehe
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do you know the cost of advertising in main newsprint in this country?
one of the most expensive media advertising was st regis through the edge. practically a pull out section with at least 8 pages.

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who care to advertise if any kind of project ppl are queuing like hungry dog fighting for a piece of shit. tongue.gif
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QUOTE(kh8668 @ Jul 30 2011, 09:18 AM)
Lol... I'm laughing!

Good news also tonne of them on nets.
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LOL..

Buyer hope to property market crash, so everyone could afford a place of home.

Seller pray for bullish market, so they can flip their property.

A typical example of two. laugh.gif laugh.gif and since the start of this thread.

Well, from the current economic situations, the current price may still be sustained for sometime.

Until;

1. Interest rates increases until monthly rental installment could not cover.

2. A sudden drop in housing demand, in which, a sharp recession happens, job cuts everywhere.

3. US economies going down. In which affects mainly Penang and Selangor, export oriented states.

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LOL..

Buyer hope to property market crash, so everyone could afford a place of home.

Seller pray for bullish market, so they can flip their property.

A typical example of two.  laugh.gif  laugh.gif and since the start of this thread.

Well, from the current economic situations, the current price may still be sustained for sometime.

Until;

1. Interest rates increases until monthly rental installment could not cover.

2. A sudden drop in housing demand, in which, a sharp recession happens, job cuts everywhere.

3. US economies going down. In which affects mainly Penang and Selangor, export oriented states.
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The buyer should not HOPE that the market crash, that would be too selfish.

Neither should seller pray for bullish market that the price is too high for the poor to afford. This is also too selfish.

INSTEAD we should all STUDY the market so that whether good thing or bad thing comes, we are all prepared. And that we could adjust accordingly and minimum damage to any party.

We should also equip ourselves with financial knowledge and be fully informed of the local and international happenings.

As it is said, success are for those who are prepared. Good or bad, we should face it together as a country.
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The buyer should not HOPE that the market crash, that would be too selfish.

Neither should seller pray for bullish market that the price is too high for the poor to afford. This is also too selfish.

INSTEAD we should all STUDY the market so that whether good thing or bad thing comes, we are all prepared. And that we could adjust accordingly and minimum damage to any party.

We should also equip ourselves with financial knowledge and be fully informed of the local and international happenings.

As it is said, success are for those who are prepared. Good or bad, we should face it together as a country.
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Do you realise that if Residential Property were taken out as an investment vehicle, the price that we have to pay today will not be the same anymore smile.gif
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bottom line ultimately, buy what you need and can afford.. do some sensitivity analysis and what if interest rate raised to the max, ou need that margin of safety as well..
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Good News!!!
next year there is no double dip recession by theory...

Bad News!!!
It is just another series of recession over the coming years... as the similar recession from 2008 will repeat again in 2012 and the years to come... so it is not just happen twice, but few times... so cannot call double dip, rather series of recession.. i think pattern could be VVVVV and not W.

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QUOTE(sampool @ Jul 31 2011, 11:02 AM)
Good News!!!
next year there is no double dip recession by theory...

Bad News!!!
It is just another series of recession over the coming years... as the similar recession from 2008 will repeat again in 2012 and the years to come... so it is not just happen twice, but few times... so cannot call double dip, rather series of recession.. i think pattern could be VVVVV and not W.
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If the bublbe really happen. What my view are:
1) Prices on subsale might drop 5%?
2) Sales transaction is less, no ppl buying. But the price may remain not much diff. Is like ppl are holding w/o slashing much discount.
3) Bank will lower the evaluation value, and borrowing is much strict.
4) Developers new launch less, due to their future prediction of slow market? That's why can see many developer quickly launching new unit but not confirmation of start work.
5) Flipers will have difficulity of letting the unit go. Many will stucked there. Maybe some might no money to repay the monthly loan due to cash flow problem. Some might tried to rent it cheaply?
6) Agriculture land will be a good investment by the time?
7) Those ppl with cash will slowly pick some nice property for long term investment.

Correct and comment if wrong.
I am not very experience. I just got 1 property for home stay. But it might not too late for me to get involved in to real estate investment. As some forumer said any time is good time.


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if the price increase is gradual, in case of a downturn or recession, price will be stagnant/slight decrease.
in the case of rapid price increase (eg. 2nd phase increase RM50k, 3rd phase RM100k). it will be hard landing. no doubt about it.
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If the bublbe really happen. What my view are:

1) Prices on subsale might drop 5%?

(Depending on the size of the bubble, price will drop until fundamental market support)

2) Sales transaction is less, no ppl buying. But the price may remain not much diff. Is like ppl are holding w/o slashing much discount.

(Some ppl(minority) will buy when the bubble burst, if price not much diff, that means there is no bubble)

3) Bank will lower the evaluation value, and borrowing is much strict.

(Yes, credit crunching and afraid to lose)

4) Developers new launch less, due to their future prediction of slow market? That's why can see many developer quickly launching new unit but not confirmation of start work.

(Yes, when the commodity is getting cheaper the investment would be less as well.)

5) Flipers will have difficulity of letting the unit go. Many will stucked there. Maybe some might no money to repay the monthly loan due to cash flow problem. Some might tried to rent it cheaply?

(Everybody will have difficulty selling. Many will have no money to repay. The rental will go down and ppl are forced to reduced rental price)

6) Agriculture land will be a good investment by the time?

(Agricultural land would be cheaper. However, good or bad investment still depending the location location location)

7) Those ppl with cash will slowly pick some nice property for long term investment.

(Long and short term depending on your definition)

Correct and comment if wrong.
I am not very experience. I just got 1 property for home stay. But it might not too late for me to get involved in to real estate investment. As some forumer said any time is good time.
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What is the impact to MY property market if US default their debt? Most likely they will not right?
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http://www.spectator.co.uk/business-and-in...-defaults.thtml

Not a single country would be spared. People will worry about tomorrow, not the property price.

It's a financial Tsunami, it will destroy anything that is on its way!

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I wonder if really tsunami will it be just like 2009 or 1998?

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Thx for the comment.
I wonder if really tsunami will it be just like 2009 or 1998?
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It could be unprecedented. The global appetite has grown.

Billions and Trillions are uncommon century ago.

1998 is more of the Asian crisis while 2009 is local American sub-prime.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1997_Asian_financial_crisis

A global financial Tsunami would be much bigger than these two.

When the vehicle has become so BIG, it is very difficult for it to stop due to its momentum.

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Look like it would be disaster if US couldnot come to agreement on raising the debt ceiling .....
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Don't worry, US will most likely avoid a default. Even if the US Congress can't seal a deal by Aug 2, they'll do it soon after. If not, Obama has other options. This might effect stock prices temporarily, but not property prices wink.gif


Lawmakers close to deal to avoid default
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