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 Are property prices going to up further? V3

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GangHo
post Jun 28 2011, 01:50 PM

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QUOTE(property101 @ Jun 28 2011, 01:20 PM)
has anyone has any opinion on the crash level base on the type of property IF property price does drop.
for example:
how severe for landed property price drop compare to high rise
how severe for large size high rise compare to small size high rise
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Lazy to search for the earlier published chart. I roughly remember that during year 1997, the high rise price averagely dropped 15% and landed properties depending on type of property whether terrace, semi-D or bungalow(5% to 12%) but the terrace dropped the least. However this time around, it is my own observation that more people goes into property compared to year 1997. Back then, lots of people invested in the share market, interest rates much higher and more bonus for the employees.

During a severe crash, bank would be overcompensated and there would be credit crunch. The market is out of cash and people cannot get loan to finance their purchase. A panic sales in the market could cost the price to drop well below the price before the boom period. At that time, we could be talking about more than 20%.

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QUOTE(cranx @ Jun 28 2011, 02:00 PM)
change of thread title..good one.  laugh.gif

assuming the sharp increase started in 2009, assuming property boom and bust cycle is around 6 years, we might be looking at 2014.
those who have waited, you are only half way there, are you going to wait further or take the plunge ?

case study.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_property_bubble
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It's interesting to know that Irish property tripled during year 2000 to 2006.

A quick calculation reviews that for a combined household income of RM20,000, interest rates of 4%, 30 years repayment. The family could be able to get a loan of RM2,000,000 with a monthly repayment of RM10,000 per month. The question is how many household has got a combined income of RM20,000? Since many has jumped into the property market, the eligibility to get loan would be less now.

Therefore, the ultimate limit of house price in our market could be less than RM2,000,000. And for those who own multiple houses, they might have reached their own limit. Who is going to afford those houses if the house price going up further? As reported in the newspaper, our property market is mainly supported by locals. What then is our buying capacity? If our income is say half of Irish, then our house price limit would be?


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post Jun 28 2011, 03:09 PM

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QUOTE(Chronox @ Jun 28 2011, 03:55 PM)
Waaa... What a prediction!!!  I don't think it will drop so dramatically...
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Although it looks dramatic but it is equivalent about 30%++ dropping only.

RM600,000 link house drop to RM420,000, not do dramatic if we look at it this way, right?


Added on June 28, 2011, 3:11 pm
QUOTE(kh8668 @ Jun 28 2011, 04:07 PM)
Update to new one

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Added on June 28, 2011, 3:09 pm
your prediction will scare a lot of people..LOL
Worse than 1998
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If it comes, it's going to be worst than 1998.

Year 1998 was not a property crash. It's an economy slow down that affected the house price.

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post Jun 28 2011, 03:25 PM

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Jun 28 2011, 04:17 PM)
600k drop to 420k is not dramatic?   blink.gif

What do you expect?
Drop to 300K? 250k, 200k?

1997 could be the biggest crisis in our life time if look back.
And economy situation now is far better off the 1997 condition.

Something once go up may not go back to origin state anymore, although it may drop due to correction, over-shooting previously.
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Do you expect to pump petrol at Rm1.10 per litre again like old day?
Factory operators get Rm500-600 per month?
A bowl of mee cost you Rm2 like 90's time?

The realistic expectation to see properties price drop more than 30%, while inflation threat looming around, is not a realistic expectation.
Unless we are heading to deflation, may be yes, but we are facing inflation problem now, instead of deflation.


Added on June 28, 2011, 3:19 pm

It was not a economy slowdown, but economy crisis!
We were talking of potential banks went under at that time.

Do you know PBB share price was only Rm0.88?
CIMB was Rm1.80?

It was severe, not economy slowdown.
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You are right, it's economic crisis I stand corrected. The point is it is not triggered by property market.

You are also right to say that there is no reverse in inflation, this is evident in history. Lots of news reports in malaysia has some how reached the conclusion that material price increase in not the cause of property price increase.

Stagflation --> High inflation + Stagnation would definitely trigger the total collapse of the economy and then the depreciation in house price. With our national debts running high, it would suicidal to have high profile projects at the peak of inflation. When the oil price drops back, our revenue would be reduced, however material price stays, would we continue with our mega projects?

And the price drop, i didn't say it is not dramatic.... i said it is not so dramatic as it looks......

However, since property price has appreciated more than 30% in lots of area in KV. It is possible for the property price to drop 30% and this is evident in many parts of the world.

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post Jun 28 2011, 03:31 PM

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QUOTE(kochin @ Jun 28 2011, 04:28 PM)
it will be foolish to assume that if property price drop by 30% and economy is still secure.
i'll be damn worried about my job if that happens.

as the old saying goes, be careful what you wish for!
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Dear Kochin,

It is my humble opinion that the current world economy is not strong as we reckon it to be. In fact it is rather fragile and a wrong move would subject the global economy to severe down turn.

While we all pray and hope that it would turn out to be good. Let's also embrace and be prepared for whatever that is coming.

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QUOTE(kochin @ Jun 28 2011, 04:45 PM)
Dear GangHo,
I fully understand that and always practise prudent matters for my purchases. But I realised a lot of people are simply praying for property price drop without realising the implications of it. At the same time, it also astounds me the number of people who are really clueless to property purchases. There is a big bunch of people buying up properties without knowing anything at all the whole mechanism of it.
Some even claim that buying DIBS is risk free because if project abandon, no need to pay anything??!!! I am really both shock and amazed by the guts of these people signing up their lifes without knowing what they are really signing on for.
As I said before, on one hand, I hope there is property prices correction (not drop), and the other hand, I hope it escalate much further (since Malaysia is already a big laggard compared to the neighbours).
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I also hope and pray that the house price will go up as I do have interest in property as well.

However, I sincerely do not wish that all these appreciation is at the expense of the possible economy collapse and later lots of people are caught in between.

Still remember how my friend wishes to use my name to borrow money from the bank to solve his livelihood problem.

The next thing is the fact about global economy, American,Europe and Japan economy now all facing problems. We have to be careful.
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QUOTE(noproblem @ Jul 1 2011, 10:58 PM)
Heard the rumor about recession may be happen within 8-12 months... bank division was directed not "too aggressive" on lending...
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The bank should do it moderately and in stages or else there would be a credit crunch. No cash in circulation. It will hurt our economy badly.


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post Jul 3 2011, 02:28 PM

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QUOTE(wankongyew @ Jul 3 2011, 11:02 AM)
So did you put your money where your mouth is and sell everything already?
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I have got myself prepared. Anything that come, I will face it head on and come out unscratched.
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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Jul 4 2011, 04:41 PM)
other than diehards upupup, such is statement is reasonable and logical. "soften" does not mean burst or 30% price decline.
not only earnings growth factored in the dev stock prices, their new selling prices also factored in future inflation.
2 yrs is a long time for bolehsai which is not such a big economy, unlike usa or china that go on for much longer.
new launch price incr will slow down, subsale asking prices will come down.
bought for own stay, no worries; bought low-reasonable price in fair-good areas, no problem.
bought at premium price looking for high subsale price or high rental, may start to get difficult.
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Soft landing...... thumbup.gif rclxms.gif

Hope that we manage to turn/divert the course of the speed train.

I rather earn less, or no profit rather than the whole country gets into trouble and back fire on me.

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post Jul 5 2011, 01:47 PM

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QUOTE(godutch @ Jul 5 2011, 01:07 PM)
Wait and see whether Bank Negara will hike the OPR and SRR this coming saturday.

i've noticed that prices for the condos i've been monitoring have stopped going up, hopefully a 10% adjustment will be seen in the coming months.
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Let's pray and hope that everybody makes money, nobody loses money and the economy stays strong. nod.gif icon_rolleyes.gif thumbup.gif rclxms.gif tongue.gif

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QUOTE(terzam @ Jul 5 2011, 05:55 PM)
AGREED!

For money to be of value, it has to be finite/ limited. For nobody to lose money is impossible. Now with the PR1MA "incentive", more people who couldn't get on the market is now able - NOT through affordability, but by more LEVERAGING. Nice! The current answer to many social/ economic ill is to delay for some one else to figure it out, and meanwhile, dig a bigger hole.
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In that case, I choose to be the losing party as long as the whole country economy remains intact and people dun have to go the street to protest.....
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QUOTE(kh8668 @ Jul 5 2011, 08:02 PM)
more competitive environment for these services.....mean you have to be more powerful compared to others....kekekeke

it will be the era 1 job 1,000 applicants.
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Ya, hope that the government knows what they are doing and not digging our own grave.

It's recorded in the book ,"The world is flat" that American outsource too much jobs to the outside world that it affected the locals.

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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Jul 5 2011, 09:32 PM)
in the last 10 years, expat = mainly domestic helpers, constr and plantations workers.
plus some info tech, special projects on 3-4k rental budgets.
plus some gweilos on their own looking for cheap rentals like 4-5k for furnished bungalow.
15-50k rental budget expat an extinct species.
think more mysians on 10-15k rental budget in jakarta now.
20-30k in shanghai, plenty.
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360K annual rental? Plenty some more........ Wow!


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post Jul 7 2011, 04:27 PM

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QUOTE(22222222 @ Jul 7 2011, 10:51 AM)
haha....u oni pay extra RM80/month....somebody outside needed extra RM8000/month... biggrin.gif
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Wow.....

0.25% = extra 8000/mth int

Based on 4% rate, the monthly repayment would be a whooping RM128,000 per month

If the repayment period is 10 years, the loan amount would be ~13 Million

If the repayment period is 30 years, the loan amount would be ~26 Million

BIG EXPOSURE!!

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QUOTE(cleo87 @ Jul 12 2011, 01:49 PM)
does anybody have actual transaction data on apartments being sold in Penang? what is the market there? is it going to slow anytime soon?


Added on July 12, 2011, 1:28 pmwow i see the mode is still BBB but just take a look, 360 properties are posted for sale in Penang just in the past 2 hours! i think not BBB anymore....
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There is some data in the following homepage although it might not be in your required format:-

http://www.jpph.gov.my/V1/index3service.ph...mat=3&no_item=4


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post Jul 17 2011, 09:42 PM

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QUOTE(kh8668 @ Jul 17 2011, 08:26 PM)
Lot of people around me are yet to buy any property. happy.gif lot of potential buyers around.


Added on July 17, 2011, 7:42 pmProperty Related Businesses are being well in Malaysia.

today IPC/Ikea are packed with crowds!!!! LOL
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Mind tell us which age group are those people?
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QUOTE(jet2020 @ Jul 22 2011, 02:08 AM)
Affordability index (HK props attracted international buyers due to its status as regional financial centre). Easy to subsale in HK (within 1 week) and not like Msia
Population growth (many rich mainland chinese sending children at HK schools and need accomodation),
Controlled supply (HK govt has a better planning to release land banks...unlike bolehland with poor prop supply vs demand)
Lower prop vacancy rate due to controlled supply as mentioned above
Low cost of fund (very low BLR) plus depreciation of HK dollar make prop investment a logical choice
Property transactions are fast/efficient and transacted prices are transparent in the govt website for reference

many many more.......so cannot compare la....
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Added on July 23, 2011, 2:11 pm
QUOTE(jet2020 @ Jul 22 2011, 01:20 PM)
tough time ahead very soon in MY.....just received latest insider info that 1 major foreign bank decided to cutback property loan to only 60%-70% financing regardless of commercial, residential, etc. This also applicable to 1st property owner unless falls under RM220k residential prop. Heard other local banks are likely to follow suit .....

Seems the bank has identified some big risk is coming very soon in the horizon......

those still gangho to BBB, better check with your banker first before making any commitment......
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Credit Crunching!!


Added on July 23, 2011, 2:50 pm
QUOTE(kh8668 @ Jul 23 2011, 01:47 AM)
iProperty.com Malaysia Property Trends Survey 2011 (Malaysia)
Welcome to the iProperty.com Asia Property Trends Survey 2011!
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According to Deputy Finance Minister Datuk Donald Lim Siang Chai, in light of rising inflation and increase in demand for local properties from foreigners, the property prices in Malaysia are expected to increase at an average of between 10% - 20% this year.

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I have yet to see any of the political figure saying that bad time is coming and that we should prepare ourselves. Everything is only good. **IF** the finance ministry knows anything coming, e.g. credit crunching, he should warn us and not give us false hope that property price will increase further.

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QUOTE(SunofaBeach @ Jul 23 2011, 07:26 PM)
Does that reflect that property price might be dropping when the majority can not afford to pay 30 - 40% of downpayment ?

Hi guys, a newbie to learn about this field  cheers.gif
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IF majority(depending on your definition) REALLY cannot afford to pay 30% to 40% of down payment and it is the regulation set, it mean only minority(Depending on your definition) is buying houses.

Under the above situation, price will definitely drop because the property sector could not be supported only by minority.
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Lazy to count. But I sense that property forum "traffic" is reduced compared to few months back.

However, this tread is still particularly active.
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post Jul 24 2011, 10:01 PM

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Other property forum also more quiet now.

The silence below the tragedy??? sweat.gif sweat.gif sweat.gif

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