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 Are property prices going to up further? V3

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keith_hjinhoh
post Jul 15 2011, 05:29 PM

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Jul 15 2011, 04:56 PM)
You hit the nail on the head.

That's why GST being delayed and delayed.

Implement GST will affect greatly on poor one.

Reduce income tax only benefit the rich. Nothing to do with poor one whom pay no tax currently.(below Rm3000 or Rm2xxx monthly)
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Yes and no. Bear in mind, our tax collectible should be far much higher if we have taken into account ppl who evade tax (on purpose or innocent).

Consumption tax is a very good way to closing the gap of tax collectible and actual tax collected. Because in the end of the day, the money we earned will have to use somehow, and government can tax it. It's just the matter of time, when you use it smile.gif
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post Jul 21 2011, 09:46 PM

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QUOTE(kochin @ Jul 21 2011, 09:33 PM)
agree.
the hongkie said the same thing and also acknowledge it.
he said hk life is no life. small unit apartment. worse if there's more occupants in it. they may have a lot of high tech stuff in it like large 3d led tv bcos they afford it. latest gizmo and gadget. latest clothing and all. but not much enjoyment from their dwellings. due to prop expensiveness, most units are shared with a lot of family member. they feel cramped and stuff. daily wait for bathroom is also intolerable. therefore hk business is thriving bcos nobody likes going home so they just stayed at the streets most of the time. they just go home to shower and sleep only.
and business also suffer because prop too expensive and 80% of the revenue goes to rental.
we advise him if he quit anytime, he can afford any of the luxury klcc condo liao. no need work.
that's why hongkie 'must' go for trips every now or then to 'escape' from their jail.
luckily they can afford it else most of them will have gone bonkers.
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Haha... On case to case, we are no where near the conditions of what experienced in HK. It may be more relevant to relates to Singapore but no where near to us nod.gif nod.gif

The reasons our property is affordable has to do with our low populations per acres and lower foreign investment icon_rolleyes.gif

Therefore it's unjustifiable for our property price match their's.

Btw, it maybe wrong to says 80% of the revenue of a shop in HK goes to rental. You have to understand, what experienced in HK is different from our's.

What they have is high density, in which a street shops may have 50,000 ppl passing by your shops within a day. If 10% of them visit your shops, that could contribute a healthy amount of sales volume and income already.

But look back @ Malaysia, it would be awesome for a shop in shopping complex to have that much of people.
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post Jul 30 2011, 07:16 PM

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QUOTE(kh8668 @ Jul 30 2011, 09:18 AM)
Lol... I'm laughing!

Good news also tonne of them on nets.
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LOL..

Buyer hope to property market crash, so everyone could afford a place of home.

Seller pray for bullish market, so they can flip their property.

A typical example of two. laugh.gif laugh.gif and since the start of this thread.

Well, from the current economic situations, the current price may still be sustained for sometime.

Until;

1. Interest rates increases until monthly rental installment could not cover.

2. A sudden drop in housing demand, in which, a sharp recession happens, job cuts everywhere.

3. US economies going down. In which affects mainly Penang and Selangor, export oriented states.

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post Jul 30 2011, 10:15 PM

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QUOTE(GangHo @ Jul 30 2011, 09:16 PM)
The buyer should not HOPE that the market crash, that would be too selfish.

Neither should seller pray for bullish market that the price is too high for the poor to afford. This is also too selfish.

INSTEAD we should all STUDY the market so that whether good thing or bad thing comes, we are all prepared. And that we could adjust accordingly and minimum damage to any party.

We should also equip ourselves with financial knowledge and be fully informed of the local and international happenings.

As it is said, success are for those who are prepared. Good or bad, we should face it together as a country.
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Do you realise that if Residential Property were taken out as an investment vehicle, the price that we have to pay today will not be the same anymore smile.gif
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post Sep 6 2011, 07:21 PM

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QUOTE(godutch @ Sep 6 2011, 06:58 PM)
Of course 300K at 8-9% are better, Is is How much you Owe the bank that matters the most. when one declares bankrupt, banks will go after the amount owe, if one buys the property at a low price, chances for the reasonably price property to be auctioned at close to reserve price is higher than the overpriced property.

Furthermore, it you are buying for own stay, interest rates fluctuates, can always refinance. rclxms.gif
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+1

interest fluctuates, but principal remain fixed.

in my opinion, in the era of high property prices, save more for deposit then only hunt for quality assets as time goes by.

rent is always cheaper options then buy in the era of high property prices. reason? rental mkt has abundant supply, not to mention, initially seller got the property at lower price, therefore, lower rental but good yield for them.
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post Sep 13 2011, 02:43 PM

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QUOTE(ManutdGiggs @ Sep 13 2011, 11:17 AM)
I wander people like us communicating in this thread hoping for an up or down in properties?

For me, I hope its up and up and up again. No harm. Like for our salaries, noone will hope to stay stagnant for years.

Hoping for up in properties prices doesnt actually make us any bad as its only opinions from everyone.

Investors or flippers will definitely not hoping for a downturn. People who are not confident can actually join us rather than beat us.

Hopefully we will see another bull run in property market till 2020. Then what you buy today can at least double or triple the price by then. Everyone can retire early. Isnt that good?
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People are looking for correction in property prices. Because it's way above the affordable means for middle income earner.

Of course, none of us hope our salary stay stagnant. But you have to understand increase in salary, must be compensated by earning extra income for the company or increase in productivity.

Same goes to property and etc. The increase will / actually correlated with the growing of GDP. But we didn't see any significant improvement in GDP, which could eventually increase our income. But property prices has already hit off the roof. This is unhealthy.

That means a huge portion of our income is spent in paying mortgages. This eventually will drag down the whole economy, as consumer no longer has any extra money to spent. Any increase in interest rates, will guaranteed many foreclosure.
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post Sep 13 2011, 03:06 PM

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QUOTE(lucerne @ Sep 13 2011, 03:01 PM)
so mean the banks are making good $. hopefully they can lend more $ to SMI to grow the economy. (especially to those compete globally not the jaguh kampung type of co). Infact msia hv many good SMI who need support from the govt and bank.  we need them to bring msia product/service internationally. govt shud pay more attn to this innovative co i/o GLC, cronies etc. (waste all our resources, $ etc)
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yes. check out all the bank's annual report. except a few losers, most of them are making big money, last year and this year.

this big money eventually distributed back to the investor. making rich people richer, in this sense.

btw, bank are more willing to lend money to SME today, as compared to 10 years ago. trust me. perhaps any extra has to do with the banker's risk tolerance. they (banker) prefers secured loans than unsecured laugh.gif
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post Sep 15 2011, 11:07 AM

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QUOTE(kidmad @ Sep 15 2011, 10:57 AM)
+1, well to be honest i still can't accept the fact that gold will replace the current currency, If there is something which will take replace of the current currency it might be transactions online. Now days ppl are buying gold especially from bank investment, but i am really skeptical on whether the bank has that much of gold reserve.

Anyway. I still believe on the basics roof, cloths, food and now we really need to take into consideration on transportation and communication if you want to move yourself even during the bad days to come.


Added on September 15, 2011, 10:59 am

agree, and i don't see the logic on it as well. While others are betting on gold prices i choose to have a place for me to call home and some funds to make sure i can still buy food and feed myself.
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I lol when ppl talking about gold std in property thread.

well, to understand and appreciate the value of the gold, you have to understand how our currency works first.

our bnm reserve, and other central bank reserve consist of a basket of currencies and gold. that's their way to preserving and managing their currency.

therefore, it's very simple logic that one goes down (especially currency like USD, EURO - most widely use currency in trading), gold would be their only alternative.

yes. gold has no value, but any other precious material could replace it? consider the culture and acceptance of standard worldwide. gold still holds their value pretty well.
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post Sep 20 2011, 08:35 PM

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QUOTE(PrinceHamsap @ Sep 20 2011, 07:22 PM)
is the property price going up? yes ...

there;s one i looking at ads since past year
the unit not being sold and ytd the property agent goreng another 50k into it
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a typical syiok sendiri syndrome.. that makes me wonder is the price of advertisement too cheap?
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post Oct 19 2011, 11:49 AM

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QUOTE(kidmad @ Oct 19 2011, 10:38 AM)
How come so many of us are speculating that the flippers are definitely taking a home loan? haha

There are a couple of person whom i know of who are buying house with cash under other ppl's name? I do believe there are quite a number of people who whom are cash load free.


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lol, because it would be damn stupid to buy a property with cash and hoping for appreciation, taking so much of risk with their own money. and return isn't great either.

50,000 / 350,000 = 14% profit

50,000 / 30,000 (downpayment + interest) = 160% profit

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