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Iceman74
post Jul 5 2011, 02:16 PM

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QUOTE(CKHong @ Jul 5 2011, 02:01 PM)
if economy doesn't stay strong.. then will have a lesson... pls dun be greedy..  biggrin.gif

http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=...2204&sec=nation
First-time house purchasers to get up to 105% financing
He said that buyers, making up those who earn not more than RM6,000 a month, would enjoy financing of up to 105% from selected financial institutions.

wow.. more and more can loan from bank..  rclxms.gif  this consider good or bad news leh..
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good news for developers (constant sales for first time purchasers)
but bad news for flippers (first time qualify buyers will take advantage to apply/buy it b4 invests in others properties)
as for banks = no effect

but then again, in bolehland, anything can be corruptable if no 100% transparent control doh.gif
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post Aug 5 2011, 03:14 PM

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QUOTE(TheDoer @ Aug 5 2011, 02:50 PM)
I really can't say.  But if your company deals with mostly foreign companies, then surely you're company will be effected.

before the last economic crisis, a branded MNC company my friend worked in, invested quite alot in building a new site, acquiring facilites, and getting their employees to shift to the new plant.

2 years later it went bust.
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there are alot SMI/SME not doing well for quite sometime, just that "good news must share, bad news keep to themshelves". Even now those MNC are facing/monitoring collection jor. Dunno about you all, look around, all those big big signboard across KV are emptying. I think company are cutting adver/marketing budget jor
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post Aug 13 2011, 06:15 PM

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QUOTE(kh8668 @ Aug 11 2011, 10:07 PM)
From your note, KLCC this high end area is not suitable to you. also a lot of local people. lol...include me la... tongue.gif

Guys might know which gf is suitable to be their life partners (wives), but some are always not.

Property is like a gf for the guy. Some are suitable for own-sayed but some might be for investment purposes.  laugh.gif but still, have to depend on how "powerful" you're.
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like that ar...alot forummers here "pau" alot mistress jor.. rclxms.gif

so far those in super highend properties purchase are normally under company name for theirs directors or high position stay & mostly are vacation home for overseas investors(peanut for them cos if staying in presidential suite cos more then that)
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post Aug 23 2011, 02:56 PM

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QUOTE(TheDoer @ Aug 23 2011, 11:44 AM)
In away yes, I have a choice.  But do I really?

Supposedly, everybody in the same boat, should know how to behave for their own good.  but when everybody starts rocking,  my choice of not rocking doesn't really make a difference.  And of course, me rocking, wouldn't be helping either.
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if me, i will find the earliest possible way out of the boat tongue.gif
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post Sep 6 2011, 09:50 AM

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QUOTE(sampool @ Sep 6 2011, 09:39 AM)
simple question.. how many can affort without salary income or rental income for continue 6 months (at least)? ... if unaffordable, is this ppl going to sell their non performance asset during bad times?? and How many willing to pickup these asset for 6 months (at least) continues in lost..??
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for yr 1st question...very minimum now..alot kiasu & greedy so call investors

& yr next question.. big "0" cos me will not pick it up & same with others "old bird" investors i know. i only enter when bank valuation more then selling price tongue.gif
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post Sep 7 2011, 05:45 PM

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QUOTE(kidmad @ Sep 7 2011, 03:54 PM)
YES! that's why if you say totally don't buy... no i can't agree with it. Buy if you really need it and buy if you can afford it. We are not any big shots who would know what will happen with the property market in the near future. If we speculate that houses price will drop but it turn out to be the other way round what are the difference between us and those who speculate the price to go up?
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i get what you mean about missing the boat & so do others. If the person are buying well within their capacity & not for investing, do not stop buying becos of prospect properties going to drop are high.


having said that, now is not the good time to invest in properties

high price properties are no good for biz ppls.

i have a scenario, a 4sty shoplot facing Giant Bandar Puteri costing below RM900k rental Rm4k(=/- 5% ROI)
but now, 2 rows behind or beside Giant are all selling more then 2M,

As properties investor, i need to rent RM8k to maintain 5%(min 6K - 3%) if not, better sell it off & earn bank interest.
As bizman myself, how are me going to pay so high rental to survive.
In conclusion, the higher properties price goes up now, the higher chance it drop harder.


btw in history of malaysia properties price, never happened that 30%/year price appreciation for 2 years in a row. We are in uncharted territory. Me now in sit back & let it reveal coming months or years. tongue.gif
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post Sep 7 2011, 06:17 PM

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QUOTE(debtismoney @ Sep 7 2011, 06:05 PM)
Say we had 30% per year price appreciation in the past 2 years, it is a hockey stick 60% gains.

If revert back to trend of 2 years ago, it will be a 40% price correction! Gosh!
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yup, more or less me forecast but hor, need to see how our banks can survive that write off & how long rakyats going to absorb those oversupply properties hmm.gif
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post Sep 7 2011, 07:19 PM

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QUOTE(kh8668 @ Sep 7 2011, 07:05 PM)
those shoplots facing/having high traffic human flows areas are always demanding high rental.

sometimes paing for good location shoplots for better business exposure. What for paying low rent for those shoplots not even got human traffics.

But all these are still depend on the nature of your business.  nod.gif

between, if you can get property agents to show you the real transaction deals, you will see property prices in KV are generally increasing year-on-year even though with small %.
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Not many type of business can survive on high rental beside few famous F&B, even banks also lock you down for certain number of years on certain percentage increment in the Agreement. If this crazy Appreciation do go on...i do believe more biz going down, there are more & more shoplot put up banners for sales/to let in Bandar Puteri now.

I do know properties increase over times(5% -10%) but this 2 years are insane. Me no complaining as me do sold off those not up to my expectation or even those wrong purchase properties at profit. Where can find a wrongly mistake loss investment properties can become profitable. laugh.gif


from my experience, there will always another chance to invest if you miss the last boat. Just be prepare & patience. Of cos, if for sendiri use, there is no best time to buy. Just buy if it fit yr budget & requirement.

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post Sep 7 2011, 08:06 PM

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nah, Li Ka Shing will be busy buying HK & China or SG properties lor
Our nation got so much apealling meh tongue.gif

Quite a number here believe there are so many rich cash investors/buyers, if really got, our loan to income ratio won't increase so drastic. Quite alot investors are overleveraged. If their biz slowdown, huge problem await them. Me being this situation before, it get to you mentally ..... & it not a pleasant feeling
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post Sep 11 2011, 10:26 PM

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i always wanted to know why always compare to those developed countries(HK & SG especially) but when come to salary & living standard must compare to dunno which Africa countries or Vietnam or Myammar



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post Sep 12 2011, 03:04 PM

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Guys, look like it still BBB mode tongue.gif

Yesterday me was at fruits stall overheard a conversation between fruit seller & a customer

C : Auntie, u just give birth jor ar?
FS : ya lor, thanks god is a boy, can help me later just like my kid there.
C : too bad, you must now work very hard lor
FS : give him "pause look"(including me) & ask why?
C : boy mah,you need to buy a house for him mah
FS : me can tell him slow slow wait lor


i didn't know now already have a condition to b4 giving birth doh.gif rclxub.gif

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post Sep 12 2011, 03:33 PM

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QUOTE(lucerne @ Sep 12 2011, 03:25 PM)
LOL, now Msia stall seller tend to charge you higher (to make more profits in shortest time) :

1. to buy prop for his child (must make more $ since it is getting more expensive now)
2. prepare to migrate oversea especially chinese (coz racial divide, religion, corruption, power abuse etc) .

if stall seller charge u higher what about restaurant that pay rent??? look like high inflation is coming soon..
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me already done that long long time jor...kiasu mah laugh.gif

thanks god me wife said stop production jor. if not, work until 70 also dunno enough tongue.gif

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post Sep 14 2011, 10:44 PM

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QUOTE(debtismoney @ Sep 14 2011, 10:26 PM)
It means a pair of married degree holders can afford a 320k home, but average transacted price in KL is nearly 500k?

Also, the wealthy baby boomers are soon becoming retirees, it won't help demand of luxury homes either.


Added on September 14, 2011, 10:28 pm

haha. my target price range is US$5000-US$8000/oz in 5 years. we'll see a parabolic move before it pops.  biggrin.gif we'll see.
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dun tell too much tongue.gif
no good for optimistic heart lar

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post Sep 15 2011, 11:24 AM

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QUOTE(kidmad @ Sep 15 2011, 10:57 AM)
+1, well to be honest i still can't accept the fact that gold will replace the current currency, If there is something which will take replace of the current currency it might be transactions online. Now days ppl are buying gold especially from bank investment, but i am really skeptical on whether the bank has that much of gold reserve.

Anyway. I still believe on the basics roof, cloths, food and now we really need to take into consideration on transportation and communication if you want to move yourself even during the bad days to come.


Added on September 15, 2011, 10:59 am

agree, and i don't see the logic on it as well. While others are betting on gold prices i choose to have a place for me to call home and some funds to make sure i can still buy food and feed myself.
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If it gold price indeed do rise to that level, i believe gold price/wealth preserving will be the least of my worries. I will more worry about me & my family safety
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post Sep 20 2011, 05:01 PM

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QUOTE(lucerne @ Sep 20 2011, 02:22 PM)
sub sales always follow and sell lower than new launch. if u expect price correction, it shud start from the new developments. til date , new launch still selling at new high. higher than the earlier phase or nearby projects..
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if the new launch price show correction, it may already too late for flippers jor tongue.gif
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post Sep 21 2011, 10:23 AM

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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Sep 20 2011, 09:58 PM)
2 things caught my attention in that page:
80% in 19 yrs? bolehsia had >100% in 2 yrs!!

from pigs to piigs - italy now joins this group of hutang besar nations.
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malaysia boleh mah rclxms.gif
got a geng chow thread want all sellers set RM460psf if not higher notworthy.gif


QUOTE(kelvinfixx @ Sep 21 2011, 10:17 AM)
It is getting expensive each day, people still buy it.

Do you know the bubble law? It is getting bigger, it will soon burst, it is just matter of time.
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not so fast, u do know malaysians got alot hidden treasures/dragons tongue.gif

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post Sep 25 2011, 11:11 PM

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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Sep 25 2011, 10:54 PM)
Main export partners
Singapore 13.9%, China 12.2%, United States 10.9%, Japan 9.8%, Thailand 5.4%, Hong Kong 5.2% (2009 est.)
Main import partners
China 13.9%, Japan 12.5%, Singapore 11.1%, Thailand 6%, Indonesia 5.3%, South Korea 4.6%, Taiwan 4.2%, Germany 4.2% (2009 est.)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Malaysia
my trade with mideast n latin america is low.
singapore, china, japan all rely on usa market.
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yup..agreed.. the end users market still US. Already feeling the sales dropping impact jor the last 6 months & it will getting worst if US do not improve in this 2nd half of the year.
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post Oct 1 2011, 09:32 PM

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QUOTE(KLsooner @ Oct 1 2011, 12:13 PM)
This is what I am trying to say, Bank did not stick to 1/3 loaning principle that worried me. 3/4 of salary is too much! When bank did not play by the rules, things are easy to tumble down, subprime is a good example.

Now I see more and more CC agents in the mall, they were so quiet after Rm50 tax per card being imposed. Now looks like bank is encouring spending and owing, 0% balance transfer for 12 months, this is what I heard lately, get 2 cards and free cash to play with.

Banks already makes billions in profit, still not enough? BNM should tighten the regulation.
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dunno about you all, it have been happening since 2008 jor
Me can lend more then 100% since 2009...that is went i get scare after doing financial acid test on myself.
so now me keep reducing loan amount & on sideline for time being.
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post Oct 8 2011, 06:53 PM

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QUOTE(bearbearhong @ Oct 8 2011, 05:09 PM)
Not really, they shift to goreng shop lots... 70% ltv only limit on residential.

By increasing the 1st home scheme to rm400k, it will encourage more speculation...
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how on earth those first purchase going to buy Rm400k with 3k salary? Each month instalments already more than 1/3 of the salary doh.gif
more like lip service jer tongue.gif
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post Oct 13 2011, 08:46 PM

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QUOTE(lucerne @ Oct 13 2011, 08:26 PM)
i want to be the 1% side! so borrow more, spend more, speculate more to become rich.
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if yr timing to cash out is right on the spot...then u are in the 1% group but then again, every time you borrow more, your greed grow even more...good luck notworthy.gif

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