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post Aug 24 2011, 10:28 AM

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QUOTE(myone1015 @ Aug 24 2011, 10:23 AM)
if the reserved price is similar to market price, people will just buy from the market. Why should they care about the auction???
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Seems you still do not understand here.

people buy from free market with higher asking prices from the owners/agents which usually valuers cannot give the value. LOL..that'y we always hear the complain from potential buyers here - ASKING PRICE IS SO HIGH..OVER VALUE..BLA BLA BLA.. SO one of the option you can get from AUCTION HOUSE IF NOONE COMPETE WITH YOU DURING THE BIDDING.
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post Aug 24 2011, 10:31 AM

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QUOTE(kh8668 @ Aug 24 2011, 10:28 AM)
SO one of the option you can get from AUCTION HOUSE IF NOONE COMPETE WITH YOU DURING THE BIDDING.[cool.gif
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this is very funny.
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post Aug 24 2011, 10:38 AM

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QUOTE(myone1015 @ Aug 24 2011, 10:31 AM)
this is very funny.
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Yeah..it is....but it happened once in my bidding life in 2005/2006. LOL
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post Aug 24 2011, 12:08 PM

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QUOTE(kh8668 @ Aug 24 2011, 10:19 AM)
Ask yourself, how the valuer set the so-called minimum price? or from a layman's perspective, like most of us, if we wanna sell our things, how we set our minimum price ?
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From my layman's POV. I will sell my thing, at a minimum of what I paid for it. And no higher than the market value if I want to get it off my hands fast.

I believe that the reserve price reflects this.

And this could be that the bank loaned a big amount to the defaulting borrower. Forcing the bank to set such a high reserve price or face losts.

Only after several no bid auctions, will the price of this units drop.

my personal non professional POV.
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post Aug 24 2011, 12:42 PM

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QUOTE(TheDoer @ Aug 24 2011, 12:08 PM)
From my layman's POV.  I will sell my thing, at a minimum of what I paid for it. And no higher than the market value if I want to get it off my hands fast.

I believe that the reserve price reflects this.

And this could be that the bank loaned a big amount to the defaulting borrower. Forcing the bank to set such a high reserve price or face losts.

Only after several no bid auctions, will the price of this units drop.

my personal non professional POV.
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Hmm..the minimum price of what you had paid could be higher than Market Value wor. LOL [This supports the property price will keep higher as noone willing to sell lower than what he paid for] wink.gif

If you wanna sell it fast, normally, you will price it lower than market value, meaning your minimum price = what you had paid, possible > market value. and now you want to sell <market value, then you will make a big loses. LOL

hahaha... normally the estimated market value come in a range, minimum to maximum, judging based on valuer's market knowledge and evidents.

Yeah...each time the reserved price will be dropping by 10% if noone bid for the property. smile.gif but the very first reserved price is almost the minimum range of MV.

This post has been edited by kh8668: Aug 24 2011, 12:46 PM
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post Aug 24 2011, 01:27 PM

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QUOTE(great2bcool @ Aug 23 2011, 05:52 PM)
This lousy Talam still owe me LAD for the Punjak Jalil properties i bought few years back, cases submitted to Tribunal Tuntutan Pembeli Rumah, so many house buyers also file complaint, today still no action taken to this lousy property developer. Trinity?? (Talam + Maxisegar + Europlus) ??
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Talam == trinity ( the one building zest / z res ) ??
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post Aug 24 2011, 01:34 PM

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QUOTE(kh8668 @ Aug 24 2011, 12:42 PM)
Hmm..the minimum price of what you had paid could be higher than Market Value wor. LOL [This supports the property price will keep higher as noone willing to sell lower than what he paid for] wink.gif

If you wanna sell it fast, normally, you will price it lower than market value, meaning your minimum price = what you had paid, possible > market value. and now you want to sell <market value, then you will make a big loses. LOL

hahaha... normally the estimated market value come in a range, minimum to maximum, judging based on valuer's market knowledge and evidents.

Yeah...each time the reserved price will be dropping by 10% if noone bid for the property.  smile.gif but the very first reserved price is almost the minimum range of MV.
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that's why i'm no getting into auction .....nowadays everyone want to buy rumah lelong......

the stupidity of paying on market value during bidding-without actually know the house problem later will haunted you....
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post Aug 24 2011, 01:40 PM

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QUOTE(kh8668 @ Aug 24 2011, 12:42 PM)
Hmm..the minimum price of what you had paid could be higher than Market Value wor. LOL [This supports the property price will keep higher as noone willing to sell lower than what he paid for] wink.gif
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That's why I said "and no higher than the market value".

We must not look at banks as reality players. They do not buy and sell property for a profit. They take risk on people, not directly on what ever investments these people are making.

When a loan defaults, their first objective is to liquidize assets seized as soon as possible, with minimum lost.

If the starting bid is already above market price. Then it runs a risk of nobody buying it, and they have to hold on the prop a little longer. Note that the previous loan amount (market value) may not be the current market value.

And what will happen if they start accumulating assets that they can't sell? They'll no longer be a bank but a realtor/car dealer. And they take on the risks of a property speculator.

If they start the bidding lower, at market price for example (even at a lost), they can hope that a bidding frenzy will bring the prices back up.

So reasonably, if it was me, the highest I'd go at my first attempt will be the market value, even if it was at a lost.


Added on August 24, 2011, 1:48 pmIf the banks were indeed interested in prop investment, why do they, offer you a loan, while they could be the ones who purchase those "sure win" investments?

It's because they do not want to get involved in it.

In a gold rush, the surest profit is the tools used for mining.

What the bank does is they take a risk on the borrower, by considering his ability to pay back. If he can pay back, then even if his investment drops in value, he will still need to pay it back, or declare bankruptcy. Which the bank is sure, nobody wants.

In the worst case scenario, that bankruptcy is declared, the bank tries to cut back on losses by liquidizing the collateral asset.

This I believe is the strategy used. If I was the bank.

This post has been edited by TheDoer: Aug 24 2011, 01:51 PM
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post Aug 24 2011, 03:14 PM

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Bro....no more talam liao.....now changed name to "Trinity Corporate Berhad"..... biggrin.gif
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sounds nice and decent tongue.gif
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post Aug 24 2011, 05:24 PM

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Don't be deceive by the change of name!
They build and build and then when can't cope, they'll file for bankruptcy.

Witholding a lot properties (especially apt and condos), not getting their strata titles.

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post Aug 25 2011, 02:43 PM

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The Star Online > Business
Thursday August 25, 2011

EPF seeks prime assets

Its move to invest in UK properties is interesting and relevant

Behind The News - By Thean Lee Cheng


THE global economy is undergoing tremendous changes. There is much to be made, with sound and well-calculated judgement; and much to be lost, if prudence is missing. About a year ago, the Employees' Provident Fund (EPF) issued a statement that it was going to invest about 1bil (RM4.88bil) in British real estate.

It appointed ING Real Estate Investment and Deutsche Bank's property investment arm, RREEF, to manage the investment, each getting 500mil to buy into the European property markets, focusing on the United Kingdom.

In just about 12 months after that statement was issued, the pensions fund has accumulated four premium properties in the city of London. All four purchases were previously owned by property investment funds, one of them held by a consortium with members on both sides of the Atlantic.

Its latest purchase was concluded on Aug 11 when it added 11-12 St James Square, another venerable address in the West End, to its London portfolio of assets. It also said it was looking for other assets to buy and a whiff of this was in the air when word got out that another two properties are on the cards. EPF has yet to confirm these two new purchases.

However, it has been reported that the purchase of Tower Bridge House, E1, an 185,000 sq ft office block, might be concluded directly with Credit Suisse Asset Management's German open-ended fund CS Euroreal, and not via EPF's two appointed consultants, ING Real Estate Investment and RREEF. If EPF does seal the deal, it will represent one of the largest off-market deals this summer in Britain. An off-market deals means there are no signages posted to publicly indicate that the property is for sale. It is exclusively and privately concluded.

The other property is reportedly a distribution centre outside London, belonging to British supermarket chain Sainsbury's for 80mil (RM392.22mil).

EPF's new direction to invest in overseas properties is both interesting and relevant to many Malaysians.

First of all, the fund is supposed to act in the interest of 12.72 million employees, who channel a portion of their salary as EPF contribution every month. These “investors” (meaning all of us who are employed) will want to know how their monies are invested.

As at March this year, property investment only constituted RM1.84bil (or 0.41%) out of a total investments of RM450.26bil. By comparison, equities constitute 35.55%, or RM160.06bil.

As the United States, Britain and the European Union wade through troubled waters, it is very likely that more property funds will be releasing very prime properties for sale, not only in London, but across the Atlantic and in Australia.

As a source in the private sector says: “Now is the time to pick up some of these prime assets in the Western world.”

This is obviously not lost on the EPF and many who have invested in the residential sector.

EPF's interest in UK may be due to a couple of factors, the currency exchange, which is in our favour, for one. The Australian dollar is comparatively strong today, while the sterling is hovering below RM5 to a pound. At its height, it was trading at about RM7 to a pound. As the European Union go through this painful period, Britain will be very much affected by it although it has continued to hang on to its currency. The pound may depreciate further so the issue of currency gains (or loss) is a double-edged sword.

The other attraction: London is a financial centre that goes back many decades. Although a bit of that financial glitter has dimmed because of its current troubles, there is an overall sense of confidence that it will bounce back. Hence, the interest in British assets today although that recent riot which started in Tottenham is a blip.

The EPF does have vast resources, simply because every month, millions of us add to our total contributions in the fund. These monies have to go somewhere, instead of being confined within Malaysian borders.

One of the reasons there is so much interest is that property funds are liquidating. It could be a closed-end fund, or an open-ended one.

Unlike the limited range of investment opportunities in Malaysia, property funds have over the years proven to be popular in the West, as they offer reasonable returns with little volatility. But the global downturn of the last several years have brought that to a halt.

These funds were run by large insurance and investment companies that pool the monies of investors to enable a fund manager to purchase a variety of commercial properties such as office blocks, retail units and warehouses.

When the economy was good, there was more money being invested in these funds than there were people cashing out. Fund managers, therefore, have no problems holding on to these property investments over the longer term. But when investors became nervous, they are likely to withdraw or cash out.

Because the current credit crunch is expected to continue for some time, there may be more liquidation ahead. While all this is happening, the prices of London properties began to improve in the second quarter of 2009, while the rest of Britain property market continue to languish.

Incidentally, if one were to check the EPF website, among the maze of frequently asked questions is this innocuous one:

“Can EPF invest overseas?”

The answer? “No. EPF can only do so with the approval of the Ministry of Finance. To date, EPF has not been granted the permission to invest overseas.” Ummh, somebody may need to update that.


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sounds nice and decent  tongue.gif
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u refer to your nick is it? blush.gif
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(雪蘭莪‧巴生25日訊)巴生獨立式洋房價格越炒越高,有些甚至超過百萬令吉,因此市議會或在來年的財政預算案中,首開先河徵收房屋“奢侈稅”!

不過,上述措施究竟是否落實,還需由雪州民聯政府拍案定奪;倘若獲得通過,巴生市議會將成為大馬首個徵收房屋“奢侈稅”的地方政府。

行動黨巴生市議員林立選在新聞發佈會上表示,市議會於日前召開2012年度財政預算案會議,惟談及門牌稅課題時,討論到相關問題,經過商量,市議員一致同意,向百萬洋房徵收“奢侈稅”。

他說,市議會於2011年的財預算案有1千多萬令吉的盈餘,但2012年預料盈餘僅有20多萬令吉,故此有市議員在會上提出,若有盈餘,能否降低門牌稅。

他說,經一番討論後,市議會決定“拉長補短”,即降低中低價公寓的門牌稅,向豪宅徵收奢侈稅。

他指出,市議會暫未決定降低多少門牌稅和徵收多少奢侈稅,一切有待商榷。


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"Chairman Eddy Chieng said SDB branded itself as a niche lifestyle property developer focusing on high turnaround time for all its projects.

SDB does not have large landbanks in Malaysia and Singapore but it acquired land for its projects.

“By not having large landbanks, we do not have huge holding costs and this allows us to have a quick turnaround time for our projects,” Chieng said.

“We have bite-size pieces of land for our niche developments because we are not involved in township development. In Singapore, we are buying on blocks only,” Teh added.

“We are looking to acquire land in Singapore but because the land cost is very high, we have to be very careful. In Malaysia, land would usually cost 30% of the total cost of a development but in Singapore, it could be up 70%,” she said.

On the outlook on local property market, Teh said Malaysia remained good in the next couple of years with generally lower property prices compared to neighbouring countries."
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From a foreign point of view, it is true. It is more affordable for them. But this isn't an indication that our markets can be as high as other countries.

The market price depends on the main consumer. And the main consumers are having a hard time acquiring props, now even pulling in FAMA to assist. Next generation, sorry no more money.
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From a foreign point of view, it is true.  It is more affordable for them.  But this isn't an indication that our markets can be as high as other countries.

The market price depends on the main consumer.  And the main consumers are having a hard time acquiring props, now even pulling in FAMA to assist.  Next generation, sorry no more money.
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Actually regardless the selling prices of property, most of the countries in the world are facing the same problems. Again this is a hard fact of capitalism world.
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Hey guys, check it out the links below, we got a new trend in boleh land property market >> URGENT SALE!!!

It seems like some flippers are struggling to find cash flow to service their mortgages, is this a sign of the beginning of another golden decade? You bet!

When everyone rushes out the property market, prices will never CRASH! We are trading houses like stocks these days, even margin loan for stocks doesn't offer 95-100% leverage. At least you could stop loss for stock trading within seconds, what could you do with you empty properties when you can't find buyers/tenants, and think about the $$figure involves in properties...

You hope the foreign buyers will step in and catch the falling knife? Hopefully the developers/real estate agents "Properties in boleh land is cheaper than our neighbouring countries" could persuade them.

If I were a real estate agent, I would think about to have a career change in other sectors.

What do you think guys? Have a great day nod.gif


http://www.iproperty.com.my/propertylistin...ungalow_ForSale

http://www.iproperty.com.my/propertylistin...ominium_ForSale

http://www.iproperty.com.my/propertylistin...w_House_ForSale

http://www.iproperty.com.my/propertylistin...artment_ForSale

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http://www.iproperty.com.my/propertylistin...ominium_ForSale

http://www.iproperty.com.my/propertylistin...k_House_ForSale

http://www.iproperty.com.my/propertylistin...ominium_ForSale

http://www.iproperty.com.my/propertylistin...w_House_ForSale

http://www.iproperty.com.my/propertylistin...ominium_ForSale

http://www.iproperty.com.my/propertylistin...ominium_ForSale

http://www.iproperty.com.my/propertylistin...artment_ForSale

http://www.iproperty.com.my/propertylistin...ominium_ForSale

http://www.iproperty.com.my/propertylistin...ominium_ForSale

http://www.iproperty.com.my/propertylistin...k_House_ForSale
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QUOTE(debtismoney @ Aug 27 2011, 09:45 AM)
Hey guys, check it out the links below, we got a new trend in boleh land property market >> URGENT SALE!!!

It seems like some flippers are struggling to find cash flow to service their mortgages, is this a sign of the beginning of another golden decade? You bet!

When everyone rushes out the property market, prices will never CRASH! We are trading houses like stocks these days, even margin loan for stocks doesn't offer 95-100% leverage. At least you could stop loss for stock trading within seconds, what could you do with you empty properties when you can't find buyers/tenants, and think about the $$figure involves in properties...

You hope the foreign buyers will step in and catch the falling knife? Hopefully the developers/real estate agents "Properties in boleh land is cheaper than our neighbouring countries" could persuade them.

If I were a real estate agent, I would think about to have a career change in other sectors.

What do you think guys? Have a great day nod.gif
http://www.iproperty.com.my/propertylistin...ungalow_ForSale

http://www.iproperty.com.my/propertylistin...ominium_ForSale

http://www.iproperty.com.my/propertylistin...w_House_ForSale

http://www.iproperty.com.my/propertylistin...artment_ForSale

http://www.iproperty.com.my/propertylistin...ominium_ForSale

http://www.iproperty.com.my/propertylistin...ominium_ForSale

http://www.iproperty.com.my/propertylistin...ominium_ForSale

http://www.iproperty.com.my/propertylistin...sidence_ForSale

http://www.iproperty.com.my/propertylistin...ominium_ForSale

http://www.iproperty.com.my/propertylistin...ominium_ForSale

http://www.iproperty.com.my/propertylistin...k_House_ForSale

http://www.iproperty.com.my/propertylistin...ominium_ForSale

http://www.iproperty.com.my/propertylistin...w_House_ForSale

http://www.iproperty.com.my/propertylistin...ominium_ForSale

http://www.iproperty.com.my/propertylistin...ominium_ForSale

http://www.iproperty.com.my/propertylistin...artment_ForSale

http://www.iproperty.com.my/propertylistin...ominium_ForSale

http://www.iproperty.com.my/propertylistin...ominium_ForSale

http://www.iproperty.com.my/propertylistin...k_House_ForSale
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Maybe you can help out to find more info from these listings. hehehe

i click and see some of these listing such as Sunway Ridgeway - leasehold and price over 2mil for SD, and Subang bestari 1B over 1.7mil (bumi lot). Urgent sale price NOT CHEAP also... sweat.gif

This post has been edited by kh8668: Aug 27 2011, 10:23 AM
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QUOTE(debtismoney @ Aug 27 2011, 10:45 AM)
Hey guys, check it out the links below, we got a new trend in boleh land property market >> URGENT SALE!!!

It seems like some flippers are struggling to find cash flow to service their mortgages, is this a sign of the beginning of another golden decade? You bet!

When everyone rushes out the property market, prices will never CRASH! We are trading houses like stocks these days, even margin loan for stocks doesn't offer 95-100% leverage. At least you could stop loss for stock trading within seconds, what could you do with you empty properties when you can't find buyers/tenants, and think about the $$figure involves in properties...

You hope the foreign buyers will step in and catch the falling knife? Hopefully the developers/real estate agents "Properties in boleh land is cheaper than our neighbouring countries" could persuade them.

If I were a real estate agent, I would think about to have a career change in other sectors.

What do you think guys? Have a great day nod.gif
http://www.iproperty.com.my/propertylistin...ungalow_ForSale

http://www.iproperty.com.my/propertylistin...ominium_ForSale

http://www.iproperty.com.my/propertylistin...w_House_ForSale

http://www.iproperty.com.my/propertylistin...artment_ForSale

http://www.iproperty.com.my/propertylistin...ominium_ForSale

http://www.iproperty.com.my/propertylistin...ominium_ForSale

http://www.iproperty.com.my/propertylistin...ominium_ForSale

http://www.iproperty.com.my/propertylistin...sidence_ForSale

http://www.iproperty.com.my/propertylistin...ominium_ForSale

http://www.iproperty.com.my/propertylistin...ominium_ForSale

http://www.iproperty.com.my/propertylistin...k_House_ForSale

http://www.iproperty.com.my/propertylistin...ominium_ForSale

http://www.iproperty.com.my/propertylistin...w_House_ForSale

http://www.iproperty.com.my/propertylistin...ominium_ForSale

http://www.iproperty.com.my/propertylistin...ominium_ForSale

http://www.iproperty.com.my/propertylistin...artment_ForSale

http://www.iproperty.com.my/propertylistin...ominium_ForSale

http://www.iproperty.com.my/propertylistin...ominium_ForSale

http://www.iproperty.com.my/propertylistin...k_House_ForSale
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URGENT SALE!!! by developer or owner or agent is just their selling skill..

But, when u hear URGENT SALE!!! by BANK... then i can said is right timing... hehe..



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QUOTE(kh8668 @ Aug 27 2011, 10:20 AM)
Maybe you can help out to find more info from these listings. hehehe

i click and see some of these listing such as Sunway Ridgeway - leasehold and price over 2mil for SD, and Subang bestari 1B over 1.7mil (bumi lot). Urgent sale price NOT CHEAP also... sweat.gif
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This fellow is wasting everybody time. He search with keyword URGENT. Iproperty return with a list and he paste it here.

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