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TSviolin_player84
post Jan 10 2008, 10:28 PM, updated 18y ago

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okay ppl I got 2,000 in my bank. If i wanna to play share, is tat possible ?

beside that, i not those aggressive player .. i am like buy and put there up to 1 or 2 years then only sell or 1 year later only sell it

still a student



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post Jan 10 2008, 10:40 PM

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QUOTE(violin_player84 @ Jan 10 2008, 10:28 PM)
okay ppl I got 2,000 in my bank. If i wanna to play share, is tat possible ?

beside that, i not those aggressive player .. i am like buy and put there up to 1 or 2 years then only sell or 1 year later only sell it

still a student
need pro help .. thx
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its a tough call bro, but of course you have to start somewhere.. flex.gif so of course its possible, but in your case i wouldn't say play shares..looks to me more of a long term investment (since you're looking at 1-2 years). nod.gif

if you ask me, i would suggest you to look at fundamental based stocks, of course that you'll have to spend some time researching and finding the right one that would suit you, and also something that you'll be comfortable in terms of your capital..

another thing, if you only have RM2000 in your bank account, you may not want to put all of it in the stock market, its better to keep a portfolio thats diversified.

im not a pro, so this is all the advice i can give you, bro..in anyway, its good to start of somewhere, we all did so hope your journey becomes a profitable one for you in the long run. icon_rolleyes.gif


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QUOTE(violin_player84 @ Jan 10 2008, 10:28 PM)
okay ppl I got 2,000 in my bank. If i wanna to play share, is tat possible ?

beside that, i not those aggressive player .. i am like buy and put there up to 1 or 2 years then only sell or 1 year later only sell it

still a student
need pro help .. thx
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what is ur expected return from ur principle? 2k is very min to invest in share..brokarage min RM40. u see..
save more capital 1st..meanwhile learn/read 1.www.klse.com.my - rules & regulation.2. few Propectus.3.simple financial statement. u can do it...

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post Jan 10 2008, 10:47 PM

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Rm 2K is not enough, try and save more till u have about Rm 5K..

Rm 2K probably entitle you to acquire some penny stock or small cap stocks.... most likely you can only afford up to 1 lot.

Unless your planning to play T+3 to finance ur investment (very risky).

the mid range and blue chips u can forget about it.

1. u have to take into account losses
2. the price of share that u have acquire
Rm 1? or Rm 2?
3. can u tolerate losing up to 100% of your investment. If not than at least how many %?
4. Whats ur strategy, define it and stick to it.
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post Jan 10 2008, 11:00 PM

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oh okay.... i look at this secure or strong reputation like education share (inti) or PBBANK-CD.... or AirAsia ...

last time i played the bursa pursuit .....it helps ?
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bursa pursuit is merely a fictitious game with fictitious funds... in the real word its a totally different ball game.

PPBbank - CD ? Isn't it a call warrant ??
If so i suggest u search for topics on warrant, the method is slightly different when investing in call warrants... risk is slightly higher than shares.

As for inti and airasia ... no comment
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QUOTE(violin_player84 @ Jan 10 2008, 11:00 PM)
oh okay.... i look at this secure or strong reputation like education share (inti) or  PBBANK-CD....  or AirAsia ...

last time i played the bursa pursuit  .....it helps ?
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since you said you wanted to buy and put there up to 1 or 2 years
call warrants like PBBANK-CD is not your choice as CW has a short life time (6 months or so only)

you may consider getting 100 shares PBBANK smile.gif
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post Jan 10 2008, 11:51 PM

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so any suggestion ....where i should start ?


which companies ....i should register or watever..
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post Jan 10 2008, 11:56 PM

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"still a student"

if ur still a student my personal opinion is stick to your studies no offence...

share trading can be time consuming and tedious, if ur new try and read and gain more knowledge first dont jump immediately into trading. No point suggesting any counters, because if anyone says that that XYZ company counter is very good andyou will make tonnes of money from it I will say he/she is a lier.

Buying stock is a very subjective matter, it all depends on u reading the materials in the market and doing homework first before u rush in to the market and get slaughtered.

On the other hand, hope is not that bleak for u I suggest u start a unit trust account it works great in a bull market and steadier returns.
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post Jan 11 2008, 12:07 AM

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QUOTE(violin_player84 @ Jan 10 2008, 11:51 PM)
so any suggestion ....where i should start ?
which companies ....i should register or watever..
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aiya....still want to go..
ok..
my opinion..for reference only..ok.
inti - could be stable but 1-2 yrs, dun know how much will growth..
air asia - high risk, hopefully it's ceo bagging his oil price/barrel shoot up...not sure how abt TUNE in the future..
pbbank - only buy below 10.80; for safer, take a 25% discount = 8.50 if u can wait...
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in malaysia
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post Jan 11 2008, 01:59 AM

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icic..thx for the advise ...

one more thing... i not playing share ,,,am i allow to monitor the flow or the change of the stock price (like bursa pursuit )

if yes...share the link here ..thx again
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post Jan 11 2008, 09:00 AM

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Oh student ah? Ok lah sell you cheap AIRASIA 100 shares @ $1.55 (student price) end of the year can break even

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post Jan 11 2008, 09:03 AM

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Better buy UT la...
Student ma... if you lost money, u wont be able to concentrate on your studies...
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post Jan 11 2008, 05:09 PM

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QUOTE(kapitan @ Jan 11 2008, 09:03 AM)
Better buy UT la...
Student ma... if you lost money, u wont be able to concentrate on your studies...
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Ya la, get unit trust better, u dont really have to focus too much on it and u can get fairly decent long term returns. If ur really hard up on the KLSE, why not try an index tracker like the OSK KLCI tracker fund? The buying in price is fairly cheap, bout 1%, redemption 1%. And if u buy from HSBC they'll redeem half of the charges back to you.

But anyways, i think it entirely depends on ur risk appetite: can u accept that ur money may depreciate? Or do u want sumthing thats like capital guaranteed?If the latter then go Amanah Saham or sumthing la. Worse come to worse main kutu hahahaha tongue.gif
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post Jan 12 2008, 06:33 PM

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okay thx for the information....

just ask like wanna to buy a share ..we need an agent or remisier usually the service charge / commission how much ar ?

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post Jan 12 2008, 06:49 PM

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for stock market brokers are normally known as remisiers, u just have to walk into any Securities firm and they will recommend u any remisiers that are available. You will have to fill in some forms, dont forget to bring RM 10 to open a CDS account.

Commission is Rm 40 per way, round turn is RM 80. If u dont trade much the commission is non-negotiable

or refer to this thread, all you need to know about brokerage fees...

http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/602217
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post Jan 12 2008, 11:49 PM

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QUOTE(violin_player84 @ Jan 10 2008, 10:28 PM)
okay ppl I got 2,000 in my bank. If i wanna to play share, is tat possible ?

beside that, i not those aggressive player .. i am like buy and put there up to 1 or 2 years then only sell or 1 year later only sell it

still a student
need pro help .. thx
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I'd say with RM2000 you're better off putting your money in some unit trust. Learn how to invest and then you can dive into the stock market. I doubt as a new investor you will be able to beat unit trust performance. Plus your funds are so limited and you are a student. However, I must add that your time horizon for investing is rather short and you can even lose money with unit trust if you only keep for a year or two. We dont know what the market will be like. A time line of 3-5years will be safer.

Here is an article about investing with very little money like your RM2000 - http://klsestockreview.blogspot.com/2007/0...rk-for-you.html

For some useful info on stocks listed on Bursa Malaysia you can visit http://klsestockreview.blogspot.com

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post Jan 13 2008, 01:12 AM

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klsestockreview ...got ur idea..so if i not going to use the moeny for like 2-3 years...put in KLSE is okay...

are u a player as well ?
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post Jan 13 2008, 03:35 AM

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QUOTE(violin_player84 @ Jan 12 2008, 06:33 PM)
okay thx for the information....

just ask like wanna to buy a share ..we need an agent or remisier  usually the  service charge / commission how much ar ?
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Brokarage RM40.00 min. started from this yr...Online trading is RM28.00;Most of the trading co have the same brokarage.. think carefully b4 u invest...ur money could be stuck there without any return...good luck...
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post Jan 13 2008, 08:58 AM

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maybe you would like to try www.hlebroking start at 0.1% interest for small buyer. of course as most already empahsis that 40rm is way toomuch for small buyer
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QUOTE(violin_player84 @ Jan 13 2008, 01:12 AM)
klsestockreview ...got ur idea..so if i not going to use the moeny for like 2-3 years...put in KLSE is okay...

are u a player as well ?
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Yeah, the longer your investment horizon the less risk you're taking. Because you dont have to suddenly take your money out of the particular counter when market is unfavorable. Try picking some solid stocks. If you're not going to watch the market constantly dont bother with speculation stocks. Also some stocks like shipping and oil&gas might be great to earn money on but they are cyclical in nature. That means demand and supply for the products/service fluctuate and thus the share prices also fluctuate. So important to put your surplus money. I'm not a fan of construction and infrastructure stocks because it is very difficult to find undervalued counters in this sector. Because of their high visibility and media coverage their stock price is usually fully valued. However I do have some money in Muhibbah Engineering Bhd. All you need to do is come in and out of the market abt 3 times in a year and you have the potential to make more than active traders. Wait patiently for market to slide then attack.

My pick for you would be the likes of PBBANK, BJTOTO, KNM, VADS, IOICORP, ICAP, LIONDIV, RCECAP, MUHIBAH, PIE, AEON, RESORTS, GENTING. I also have a few unit trust funds with Public Mutual and some of them outpeform my stocks. I have Public Far East Select Fund, Public Ittikal Fund and Public China Ittikal Fund. Public Mutual has many brilliant funds.

You can visit my blog for more ideas on various stocks. http://klsestockreview.blogspot.com/
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post Jan 13 2008, 10:50 AM

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thx KLSE review... once again..like remisier ..or the HLebroking...

mean when i wanna to take part (invest) in stock market...

1st i need a remisier / broker and it's RM 40 minimum...( how about the 0.1% interest ..dun understand)

2nd pick the correct stock...

3rd wait wait wait ...may up to 2 years + ...

4th SELL

is tat something like this ? ..if no pls tell me the correct ...thx for all the pro!!!

klse review .. i visited ur blog and going to link it ..ur blog is awesome
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HLE broking question of 0.1%
the HLEbroking facility is different in a sense that if you have any un-used balance say in your trading account every month your entitle to 0.1% interest just like ur savings account.

Brokerage fees
Rm 40 min is just to "buy"
another Rm 40 you will have to pay when u "sell"

Buying = one way = Rm 40
Buying & Selling = Round turn = Rm 80

Ok here is the math....

Total share price purchase/sold - brokerage fee - stamp duty - clearing fee = total amount

1,000 - Rm 40 - Rm 26 - 7.52 = Rm 926.48

*i could be wrong

Conclusion u must make at least 0.1 cents to at least break even, i think it use to be 0.05.

Gd luck hunting!


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QUOTE(violin_player84 @ Jan 13 2008, 10:50 AM)
thx KLSE review... once again..like remisier ..or the HLebroking...

mean when i wanna to take part (invest) in stock market...

1st i need a remisier / broker and it's RM 40 minimum...( how about the 0.1% interest ..dun understand)

2nd pick the correct stock...

3rd wait wait wait ...may up to 2 years + ...

4th SELL

is tat something like this ? ..if no pls tell me the correct ...thx for all the pro!!!

klse review .. i visited ur blog and going to link it ..ur blog is awesome
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I've written a special article/post to answer all your questions on brokerage fees and any other trading cost. Its too long to write here. Do feel free to write me if you dont understand. The market is full of sharks, dont get into it unless you're fully informed and prepared.
Here is the link : Calculating Stock Trading Cost: Update 2008!

http://klsestockreview.blogspot.com/


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post Jan 13 2008, 05:38 PM

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mean my revenue must at least RM 120 ... in order to break-even...

RM 80+26+7.62 = 113.62 (make it RM 120)

the "un-used balance say in your trading account every month your entitle to 0.1% interest just like ur savings account."

still dun get it .. sry

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QUOTE(violin_player84 @ Jan 13 2008, 05:38 PM)
mean my revenue must at least RM 120 ... in order to break-even...

RM 80+26+7.62 = 113.62 (make it RM 120)

the "un-used balance say in your trading account every month your entitle to 0.1% interest just like ur savings account."

still dun get it .. sry
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Correct, the unused balance stays in your trading account and earns you an interest rate. Hong Leong i juz saw has advertised that the rate is 0.1%. But that should not really be your concern since you're only talking abt RM2000. The profit to break even on each stock and each trade differs.

Try this link for Hwang DBS break even calculator. Maybe it will help you. Bet way to understand is walk into a broking firm and ask them. Juz keep asking questions and you shall understand. I like people who are not afraid to ask. I remember when I used to be asking questions. It so hard to get answers isnt it? Coz everyone seems to have different answers...haha. But dont give up. Keep at it.

http://einvest.hdbsib.com/calc/frm_Calcstk.asp

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post Jan 14 2008, 12:15 AM

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so ...broking firmz i noe HL now , RHB ...and then...still got ?
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1.CIMB INVESTMENT BANK BERHAD
2 HWANGDBS INVESTMENT BANK BERHAD
3 AMINVESTMENT BANK BERHAD
4 KENANGA INVESTMENT BANK BERHAD
5 OSK INVESTMENT BANK BERHAD
6 CREDIT SUISSE SECURITIES (MALAYSIA) SDN BHD
7 RHB INVESTMENT BANK BERHAD
8 ASEAMBANKERS MALAYSIA BERHAD
9 JPMORGAN SECURITIES (MALAYSIA)SDN BHD
10 CLSA SECURITIES MALAYSIA SDN BHD
11 UBS SECURITIES MALAYSIA SDN BHD
12 ECM LIBRA AVENUE SECURITIES SDN. BHD.
13 TA SECURITIES HOLDINGS BERHAD
14 MACQUARIE (MALAYSIA) SDN BHD
15 PUBLIC INVESTMENT BANK BERHAD

These are the top 15 brokers based on trading volume. Of coz they switch ranking around sometimes but its pretty much the same most of the time. These 15 brokers usually handle almost 80% of trades in Malaysia. There are few other small brokerage firms. I personally have an account with PM Securities in Klang.


http://klsestockreview.blogspot.com
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post Jan 14 2008, 01:42 AM

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i read about ur blog the internet trading only RM 28 ...which one offer that ?
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QUOTE(violin_player84 @ Jan 14 2008, 01:42 AM)
i read about ur blog the internet trading only RM 28 ...which one offer that ?
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Many of them offer for RM28. I use HwangDBS E'Invest.
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Violin, as a student myself and possibly younger than you by a year, I can share my experiences with you.
I started trading in KLSE 8 years ago, when many people were still brushing up for PMR. It was a great experience back then watching the stocks and reading updates in the business world.
I didn't have any basic knowledge of the stock market then, I just traded by following speculations (or pure luck).
It was good as I managed to accumulate a profit of 30% by the first year, and my parents were proud.

That was just before the 2001 9/11 attacks, when I suddenly lost all my hard earned cash + profits prior to that because of lack of knowledge.
I never looked back then, but continued to earn money to start my investment again. My money was stuck there for a good few years, without earning me anything, because the stocks that I invested in were not so performing. So I just managed to breakeven.
Not long ago, I beefed up my stock trading knowledge by reading a lot when I had a break during lessons.

Now lucky to say, I have the chance of having a bit of knowledge in stock analysis, reading annual reports and invest in the right stocks.
I have accumulated enough capital to divide my investment between stocks and unit trust. In good times, I am earning an average of 10% in less than 2 months from stock market, and another 10% in around 1 month from unit trust.

I must say, for your RM2000, it is very difficult to spot undervalued stocks which you can cash into, without doing the due diligence and time for research. I sacrifice my study time to do my research and self-study on the stock market. Are you able to do that?

Regards
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QUOTE(violin_player84 @ Jan 14 2008, 01:42 AM)
i read about ur blog the internet trading only RM 28 ...which one offer that ?
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I was reading The Edge and saw and advert for HLeBroking (Hong Leong). They offer a minimum brokerage rate of RM12. Thats pretty good. Maybe its worth checking out. Do check out all their terms and conditions before jumping and signing up with them. Also ask for how long they will keep it at RM12. Hong Leong is desperate to gain some market share with their brokerage firm so they are doing all sorts of things to capture more clients.

www.hlebroking.com
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bro..why dont you try unit trust..evry bank in malaysia hav this product..
it consists of top 40 companies' units shares..min investment u can get for 1000..
cheap isnt?fit ur student "income"..hihi tongue.gif tongue.gif

and if you really interested to become a hardcore in stock exchange one day..
register for this game.. brows.gif

http://www.pathfinder.com.my

brief:
-u given 1mil for capital
-invest wisely

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QUOTE(kakkoii!! @ Jan 14 2008, 01:25 PM)
bro..why dont you try unit trust..evry bank in malaysia hav this product..
it consists of top 40 companies' units shares..min investment u can get for 1000..
cheap isnt?fit ur student "income"..hihi tongue.gif  tongue.gif

and if you really interested to become a hardcore in stock exchange one day..
register for this game.. brows.gif

http://www.pathfinder.com.my

brief:
-u given 1mil for capital
-invest wisely

gudlak!! icon_rolleyes.gif
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I went to the site but found out its only for students of local universities. But of course you can play under a fake name but its not so much fun when you know you can't win no prizes. But still I feel its a good innitiative to get students to learn and get interested in the stock market.
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post Jan 14 2008, 08:50 PM

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tat one local public uni =.= student
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hi guyz, am new here
wanna ask ya, i got CDS account but dont have trading acc.. so, still can buy stock?
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hmm.. interesting.. me myself also interested investing in stock market.

let say if i have 10K cash.. what should i do?
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QUOTE(wenjie86 @ Jan 15 2008, 12:57 PM)
hi guyz, am new here
wanna ask ya, i got CDS account but dont have trading acc.. so, still can buy stock?
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Strange ??? why no trading account, when you sign up an CDS account with a broker it should come with it. If no trading account of course cannot trade, i presume....
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QUOTE(wenjie86 @ Jan 15 2008, 12:57 PM)
hi guyz, am new here
wanna ask ya, i got CDS account but dont have trading acc.. so, still can buy stock?
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Give a call to your remiser, he/she will cleared your doubts.
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QUOTE(wenjie86 @ Jan 15 2008, 12:57 PM)
hi guyz, am new here
wanna ask ya, i got CDS account but dont have trading acc.. so, still can buy stock?
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Not possible, you need a trading account for the transaction.

QUOTE(smartly @ Jan 15 2008, 02:23 PM)
Strange ??? why no trading account, when you sign up an CDS account with a broker it should come with it. If no trading account of course cannot trade, i presume....
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Possible as one can always only open only CDS to keep their shares if they don't intend to trade eg. you don't have any CDS when applied IPO for shares, you open an CDS for this purpose but don't need trading account to apply for IPO.
There is no rules that one must open a trading account when open a CDS account, although it doesn't make sense not to have one (trading account) but one can always only open CDS to keep their shares only, and want to trade open the trading account later.

QUOTE(TopGunn @ Jan 15 2008, 02:28 PM)
Give a call to your remiser, he/she will cleared your doubts.
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He/she got no trading account, then means he/she doesn't have a remiser serving for him/her.

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Jan 15 2008, 03:05 PM)
Not possible, you need a trading account for the transaction.
Possible as one can always only open only CDS to keep their shares if they don't intend to trade eg. you don't have any CDS when applied IPO for shares, you open an CDS for this purpose but don't need trading account to apply for IPO.
There is no rules that one must open a trading account when open a CDS account, although it doesn't make sense not to have one (trading account) but one can always only open CDS to keep their shares only, and want to trade open the trading account later.
He/she got no trading account, then means he/she doesn't have a remiser serving for him/her.
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i'd the similar case...i think this is quite no. of yrs back..ya, a got cds acc just solely for my esos..i never buy any share from market, that is only to trade selling after share being exercise...i do not have trading acc.. until i checked with my remiser (Guy who open cds for me....) , he gave me trading acc no. and ask me to bank in some money b4 i can buy any share from market.

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Well put Cherroy! Very clear explaination about CDS and Trading accounts. Actually their names also explain their function. Central Depository System is where your shares are credited/deposited once you make a purchase of an IPO or on the open market. A trading account is simply an account you use to make trades.
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QUOTE(cherroy @ Jan 15 2008, 04:05 PM)
Not possible, you need a trading account for the transaction.
Possible as one can always only open only CDS to keep their shares if they don't intend to trade eg. you don't have any CDS when applied IPO for shares, you open an CDS for this purpose but don't need trading account to apply for IPO.
There is no rules that one must open a trading account when open a CDS account, although it doesn't make sense not to have one (trading account) but one can always only open CDS to keep their shares only, and want to trade open the trading account later.
He/she got no trading account, then means he/she doesn't have a remiser serving for him/her.
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am not sure.. before this i use my CDS account to buy IPO and sell IPO...

i open CDS when i was 18 years old.. about 4 years ago, that time dont have job, still a student, so, only can open CDS

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am not sure.. before this i use my CDS account to buy IPO and sell IPO...

i open CDS when i was 18 years old.. about 4 years ago, that time dont have job, still a student, so, only can open CDS
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In that case, you should now able to contact the broker to open an online trading account or with remisier assisted. Preferably online, coz, it cheaper trading online...
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hi there im just noob at this all but really need to know how to invest the safest way smile.gif lets say i have money but as a noob i still dont know anything, so is it safe for me to "tumpang" someone else let say any one of lyn member who invest. is there anyone here to do so such service as i mention smile.gif

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hi there im just noob at this all but really need to know how to invest the safest way smile.gif lets say i have money but as a noob i still dont know anything, so is it safe for me to "tumpang" someone else let say any one of lyn member who invest. is there anyone here to do so such service as i mention smile.gif
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If 'follow' people, then people go to 'Holland', you also go to 'Holland'. The worst part other people may know why they go to 'Holland' but you follow people to 'Holland' also don't know.


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i think my situation is juz opposite..
i got a HLEbroking account.. this should be a trading account rite.. but i never open any CDS account b4.. so where to do tat?

i never do any trading before..
so can i juz start buy online through the hlebroking website without open a CDS account??

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QUOTE(aretla @ Jan 16 2008, 09:40 PM)
i think my situation is juz opposite..
i got a HLEbroking account.. this should be a trading account rite.. but i never open any CDS account b4.. so where to do tat?

i never do any trading before..
so can i juz start buy online through the hlebroking website without open a CDS account??
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oic, in that case, you should be able to trade right away, because when u open HLeBroking you are under their nominee account. Meaning you will have a CDS account under their company nominee account. Just logon to www.hlebroking.com.my to get access to their online trading and immediately u can buy and sell when u bank in money to your HLeBroking trading account (trust account). Any queries just give them a call.

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oic, in that case, you should be able to trade right away, because when u open HLeBroking you are under their nominee account. Meaning you will have a CDS account under their company as nominee. Just logon to www.hlebroking.com.my to get access to their online trading and immediately u can buy and sell when u bank in money to your trading account (trust account). Any queries just give a call to them.
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thanks for info~
but i need to bank in money before i make a "buy" online?
i thought there is 3 days buffer time to bank in money after i buy the shares?

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thanks for info~
but i need to bank in money before i make a "buy" online?
i thought there is 3 days buffer time to bank in money after i buy the shares?
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If is new account, your trading account is 0 balance, you do not have any margin to trade, thus, need to bank in money first. They will give you trade upto 3 times of your account balance. Once you hold stock in your trading/trust accout there is a cap value for each stock, those cap value eventually become your trading margin/ collectoral, you can then buy with T+3 after that.

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Hi guys. this might be a little out of topic, but i hope someone can help

-the senario-
let's say i buy a share at RM1.00... then after it has reached RM1.10 i decided to sell... using online trading service, key in sell at RM1.10. then transaction confirmed...then queued up....then Q up 10 mins already still got sold yet, price dropped to RM1.05. not sure if my order will be sold at RM1.05? or will keep waiting until price go up to RM1.10 again.
-the senario-

i read from some post in another thread that m'sian online trading services (HLe, that guy using) don't allow you to cut loss, because once you set selling price, the shares will be sold off instantly. Can i use this method? by selling at RM1.00, then any price at or more than RM1.00 will be sold?
if not, will have to chase after selling price and lose the best selling price.

hope someone familiar with HLe can help.
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QUOTE(tweakity @ Mar 16 2008, 10:01 PM)
Hi guys. this might be a little out of topic, but i hope someone can help

-the senario-
let's say i buy a share at RM1.00... then after it has reached RM1.10 i decided to sell... using online trading service, key in sell at RM1.10. then transaction confirmed...then queued up....then Q up 10 mins already still got sold yet, price dropped to RM1.05. not sure if my order will be sold at RM1.05? or will keep waiting until price go up to RM1.10 again.
-the senario-

i read from some post in another thread that m'sian online trading services (HLe, that guy using) don't allow you to cut loss, because once you set selling price, the shares will be sold off instantly. Can i use this method? by selling at RM1.00, then any price at or more than RM1.00 will be sold?
if not, will have to chase after selling price and lose the best selling price.

hope someone familiar with HLe can help.
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If you queue at 1.10 but not matched then the Q will leave it at 1.10 unless you cancel it or expired (market close all Q automatically being cancelled). It won't be sold at 1.05, as your order is at 1.10.

If you key in selling/buying price then being matched then it is considered the transaction being completed, otherwise (not yet matched) you can cancel your order at any time as you wish and re-key in the new order.

I reckon you are not familiar how trading being done.\

There is no automatical selling/buying mechanism, you need to key in you exact order and price you want to trade.


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guys.. i have a question here. may i know what software are you using to monitor KLSE and FKLI(futures).

i've searched every inch of google and only manage to find jstock which shows me KLSE. cant mange to get my hands on FKLI.

Some help please? ^^
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QUOTE(cherroy @ Mar 16 2008, 10:26 PM)
If you queue at 1.10 but not matched then the Q will leave it at 1.10 unless you cancel it or expired (market close all Q automatically being cancelled). It won't be sold at 1.05, as your order is at 1.10.

If you key in selling/buying price then being matched then it is considered the transaction being completed, otherwise (not yet matched) you can cancel your order at any time as you wish and re-key in the new order.

I reckon you are not familiar how trading being done.\

There is no automatical selling/buying mechanism, you need to key in you exact order and price you want to trade.
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i know it won't be sold.... but i wanted to test if i queue up at RM1.00 instead of 1.10.... Q Q Q if price drop to 1.05, will it sell. because 1.05 is still more than 1.00. I queue at RM1.00 instead of RM1.10. because if this can work, i straight key in RM0.80 then confirm sell. given that i monitor the price....really drop until RM0.80 die already. ^^
because cancel order, then queue at RM1.05 again...key in key in halfway drop to RM1.00 already...zzzz.....
if need exact amount then too bad.... online trading so slow....cannot set different conditions too. no wonder cheap cheap. ^^
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QUOTE(tweakity @ Mar 18 2008, 06:28 PM)
i know it won't be sold.... but i wanted to test if i queue up at RM1.00 instead of 1.10.... Q Q Q if price drop to 1.05, will it sell. because 1.05 is still more than 1.00. I queue at RM1.00 instead of RM1.10. because if this can work, i straight key in RM0.80 then confirm sell. given that i monitor the price....really drop until RM0.80 die already. ^^
because cancel order, then queue at RM1.05 again...key in key in halfway drop to RM1.00 already...zzzz.....
if need exact amount then too bad.... online trading so slow....cannot set different conditions too. no wonder cheap cheap. ^^
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Dude,

If the market price is 1.05, if you key in 1.00, it straight away will be matched! whistling.gif

Too much money to burn? biggrin.gif people bid for 1.05 then you give them at 1.00? rclxub.gif

No offence.


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QUOTE(Saint 1984 @ Mar 18 2008, 04:29 PM)
guys.. i have a question here.  may i know what software are you using to monitor KLSE and FKLI(futures).

i've searched every inch of google and only manage to find jstock which shows me KLSE.  cant mange to get my hands on FKLI. 

Some help please? ^^
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http://www.bursamalaysia.com/website/bm/ma...derivatives.jsp

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Dude,

If the market price is 1.05, if you key in 1.00, it straight away will be matched!  whistling.gif

Too much money to burn?  biggrin.gif  people bid for 1.05 then you give them at 1.00?  rclxub.gif

No offence.


Added on March 18, 2008, 10:38 pm

http://www.bursamalaysia.com/website/bm/ma...derivatives.jsp
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I think his problem is he wants to throw his shares fast but because of the lag in the system, everytime he wants to sell at the current offered price, the prices drop just before his orders are executed. Meaning he sees the Buy orders at RM1.05 and he wants to sell all his shares, but due to lag of his online platform, before he complete his orders the prices already drop to RM1.00 and because of that, the system queue his orders at RM1.05 instead of the current buying price of RM1.00.

So in other words, he needs to cancel his queue at RM1.05 and then try to sell his shares at the current RM1.00 but again he feels frustrated because before he can put in his order for RM1.00, it drops to RM0.95 and so on and so forth.

So what he is asking is if he wants to throw his shares, he will anticipate the the lag of his online trading platform and put his sell order below the buying order so even if it lags, it will be sold to the highest bidder at that moment. So even if he keys in RM0.80 but the buy order is still RM1.00, his shares will still be sold at RM1.00 instead of his order of RM0.80.


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I think his problem is he wants to throw his shares fast but because of the lag in the system, everytime he wants to sell at the current offered price, the prices drop just before his orders are executed. Meaning he sees the Buy orders at RM1.05 and he wants to sell all his shares, but due to lag of his online platform, before he complete his orders the prices already drop to RM1.00 and because of that, the system queue his orders at RM1.05 instead of the current buying price of RM1.00.

So in other words, he needs to cancel his queue at RM1.05 and then try to sell his shares at the current RM1.00 but again he feels frustrated because before he can put in his order for RM1.00, it drops to RM0.95 and so on and so forth.

So what he is asking is if he wants to throw his shares, he will anticipate the the lag of his online trading platform and put his sell order below the buying order so even if it lags, it will be sold to the highest bidder at that moment. So even if he keys in RM0.80 but the buy order is still RM1.00, his shares will still be sold at RM1.00 instead of his order of RM0.80.
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Ok I see.

But with this kind of strategy, you might risk if no or not enough queue in the buyers, you order might be done at 0.80. It can happen only those low liquidity stock.
There is another kind of order called, 'also sell/buy', I don't think online system got it currently. In manual order of remisers key in one, you can do it, aka take the best bid or ask and done straight away.

Only occassionally when market is so volatile until above mentioned scenario will happen. Price generally won't move so fast one in normal trading day.
In those kind of volatile session, the best solution is take up the phone and tell your remisers to 'key in' the 'also sell/buy' order.


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QUOTE(cherroy @ Mar 18 2008, 10:36 PM)
Dude,

If the market price is 1.05, if you key in 1.00, it straight away will be matched!  whistling.gif

Too much money to burn?  biggrin.gif  people bid for 1.05 then you give them at 1.00?  rclxub.gif

No offence.


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http://www.bursamalaysia.com/website/bm/ma...derivatives.jsp
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gee thanks. i was hoping for something real-time like the one at mdex..n2connect.com/mdex.html . the problem with that site is that it's been days since i've been able to load the java applet... and it's still not showing anything. =.=" any help here? thanks again ^^ icon_question.gif
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I'm interest in share market. but i don know where to get source and do reseach to invest. I prefer short term invest(by day or by week).. and how do i can track my stock via internet while working ....
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I'm interest in share market. but i don know where to get source and do reseach to invest. I prefer short term invest(by day or by week).. and how do i can track my stock via internet while working ....
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Step 1 : Read about the stock market from available material on the web or the local library.

Step 2 : Then register a virtual stock market game in CIMB iTrade. Test your knowledge and practice your plans.

Step 3 : Once you are confident with your decisions, register a CDS account with your prefered broking house and put in some money to begin trading.

Step 4 : ???

Step 5 : Profit!! rclxms.gif or loss depending on your decisions.

Ok step 4 was a joke, but I like to emphasize as a newbie in the stock market, never never never and again never go straight for the online stock trading, instead use a remisier/broker/dealer from your broking house so you can ask question and have a better service. Too many people in the forum seem to think the cheapest in terms of costs to trade but some have to pay the 'fees' for their mistakes because they had no guidance on the subject.

So I would strongly recommend you use the services of a remisier/broker and get comfortable how the system really works before you head for the online system which has a cheaper fees. Any uncertainty you can always call them and ask them and they will answer you the best they can. At least you know you are asking a paid professional on the subject matter rather than asking the same question in the forums populated with people like me who is self taught(with many mistakes). No offence to other 'expert' forrumers here.

And regardless of using a remisier or an internet trading system, both will have the ability for you to access the trading portal so you can view up to date prices, news and analysts reports. Which means you can do it at work.

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Mar 18 2008, 11:16 PM)
Ok I see.

But with this kind of strategy, you might risk if no or not enough queue in the buyers, you order might be done at 0.80. It can happen only those low liquidity stock.
There is another kind of order called, 'also sell/buy', I don't think online system got it currently. In manual order of remisers key in one, you can do it, aka take the best bid or ask and done straight away.

Only occassionally when market is so volatile until above mentioned scenario will happen. Price generally won't move so fast one in normal trading day.
In those kind of volatile session, the best solution is take up the phone and tell your remisers to 'key in' the 'also sell/buy' order.
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Yeah... that's what i meant. My online trading is too slow. i always miss the best price...
if current price is let's say 1.00, i key in 0.80..... then dropped to 0.95.... it will be sold at 0.95 right? not 0.80 i hope? can i tell what online trading service i'm using here? so you guys who used it before knows exactly how it operates.
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Yeah... that's what i meant. My online trading is too slow. i always miss the best price...
if current price is let's say 1.00, i key in 0.80..... then dropped to 0.95.... it will be sold at 0.95 right? not 0.80 i hope? can i tell what online trading service i'm using here? so you guys who used it before knows exactly how it operates.
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It will be done at 0.95, but it depends on the buyer queue quatity also. If you order is more than the buyer cummulative, it will be done at 0.80.

But what if suddenly the 0.95 buyer queue being withdraw then left with 0.85, then your order will be done at 0.85.

You can tell us which online trading service you are using, no problem with that.
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It will be done at 0.95, but it depends on the buyer queue quatity also. If you order is more than the buyer cummulative, it will be done at 0.80.

But what if suddenly the 0.95 buyer queue being withdraw then left with 0.85, then your order will be done at 0.85.

You can tell us which online trading service you are using, no problem with that.
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i'm using HLebroking. ^^
i've tried on friday. Price at 3.32... i Q at 3.30... sold at 3.32. so it will be sold at current price. cannot set too low, if price suddenly drop rugi a lot.
thanks for all the help guys...

what about buying Q? let's say current price 1.50... Q at 1.35... suddenly drop to 1.25. will it BUY at 1.25? hihi. using online trading need to maximize online services capabilities.
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QUOTE(tweakity @ Mar 23 2008, 01:00 PM)
i'm using HLebroking. ^^
i've tried on friday. Price at 3.32... i Q at 3.30... sold at 3.32. so it will be sold at current price. cannot set too low, if price suddenly drop rugi a lot.
thanks for all the help guys...

what about buying Q? let's say current price 1.50... Q at 1.35... suddenly drop to 1.25. will it BUY at 1.25? hihi. using online trading need to maximize online services capabilities.
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It depends on the Q cummulative also (aka quantity). If buy Q at 3.32/10 lots but you key in 3.30 of 100 lots then your 100 lots will be done at 3.30.

Your buying price of 1.35 will be done. The price can drop to 1.25 without done at 1.35 of your Q.
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Step 1 : Read about the stock market from available material on the web or the local library.

Step 2 : Then register a virtual stock market game in CIMB iTrade. Test your knowledge and practice your plans.

Step 3 : Once you are confident with your decisions, register a CDS account with your prefered broking house and put in some money to begin trading.

Step 4 : ???

Step 5 : Profit!! rclxms.gif or loss depending on your decisions.

Ok step 4 was a joke, but I like to emphasize as a newbie in the stock market, never never never and again never go straight for the online stock trading, instead use a remisier/broker/dealer from your broking house so you can ask question and have a better service. Too many people in the forum seem to think the cheapest in terms of costs to trade but some have to pay the 'fees' for their mistakes because they had no guidance on the subject.

So I would strongly recommend you use the services of a remisier/broker and get comfortable how the system really works before you head for the online system which has a cheaper fees. Any uncertainty you can always call them and ask them and they will answer you the best they can. At least you know you are asking a paid professional on the subject matter rather than asking the same question in the forums populated with people like me who is self taught(with many mistakes). No offence to other 'expert' forrumers here.

And regardless of using a remisier or an internet trading system, both will have the ability for you to access the trading portal so you can view up to date prices, news and analysts reports. Which means you can do it at work.
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skiddtrader tks for your advise.
I had a question, have u guys hearded of this TA securities holdings? I just registered but yet to get a CDS account...
I think by tuesday can get it. the rimisier hav told me wat is CDS, but i wan to reconfirm wat it mean.. sweat.gif

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skiddtrader tks for your advise.
I had a question, have u guys hearded of this TA securities holdings? I just registered but yet to get a CDS account...
I think by tuesday can get it. the rimisier hav told me wat is CDS, but i wan to reconfirm wat it mean.. sweat.gif
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Normally have to wait 1 week to 10 days to get the letter for the CDS account.
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QUOTE(cherroy @ Mar 23 2008, 05:48 PM)
It depends on the Q cummulative also (aka quantity). If buy Q at 3.32/10 lots but you key in 3.30 of 100 lots then your 100 lots will be done at 3.30.

Your buying price of 1.35 will be done. The price can drop to 1.25 without done at 1.35 of your Q.
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actually how does it determine the q sequence?
first come first serve?

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Normally have to wait 1 week to 10 days to get the letter for the CDS account.
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I'm only take 4 days procced the CDS acc.

I got few question...
I wan ask, stock IRIS is it for "goreng"... ??? hmm.gif
How to invest which stock going to bluechip???
how many % bluechip stock price can drop??
is it safe for long term invest in bluechip stock??
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QUOTE(TMY kia.. @ Mar 24 2008, 07:36 PM)
I'm only take 4 days procced the CDS acc.

I got few question...
I wan ask, stock IRIS is it for "goreng"... ??? hmm.gif
How to invest which stock going to bluechip???
how many % bluechip stock price can drop??
is it safe for long term invest in bluechip stock??
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1)IRIS is goreng counter where usually it will move during pre-GE rally. Not a good fundamental company.
2)Can you elaborate more? i couldn't understand ur sentence. Anyway, will try my best to answer it. Bluechip stock is like normal counter as any counter else in KLSE where u can buy and sell it. The only matters is how to identify it. So far, bluechip counter are like PBBANK, Maybulk, DIGI, IOICorp and etc..Bluechip company usually give big dividend and in the same are soundly fundamental stock.
3)Depend on market sentiment, there is no exact figures. But can assure that even market sentiment is very bad, these company able to withstand it and will rebound faster than other capalang/lalang stocks. From my experience, these kind of company won't drop more than 2% in single day (note: depend on market sentiment)
4)Yup. much safer than play with call warrant, lalang stocks.

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1)IRIS is goreng counter where usually it will move during pre-GE rally. Not a good fundamental company.
2)Can you elaborate more? i couldn't understand ur sentence. Anyway, will try my best to answer it. Bluechip stock is like normal counter as any counter else in KLSE where u can buy and sell it. The only matters is how to identify it. So far, bluechip counter are like PBBANK, Maybulk, DIGI, IOICorp and etc..Bluechip company usually give big dividend and in the same are soundly fundamental stock.
3)Depend on market sentiment, there is no exact figures. But can assure that even market sentiment is very bad, these company able to withstand it and will rebound faster than other capalang/lalang stocks. From my experience, these kind of company won't drop more than 2% in single day (note: depend on market sentiment)
4)Yup. much safer than play with call warrant, lalang stocks.
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Tks dreams_achiever and sorry for my sentence.

If i invest 1000 units in 0.50/unit stock, how much the comision will be??
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Tks dreams_achiever and sorry for my sentence.

If i invest 1000 units in 0.50/unit stock, how much the comision will be??
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Minimum RM40 or 0.06%.
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Tks dreams_achiever and sorry for my sentence.
If i invest 1000 units in 0.50/unit stock, how much the comision will be??
Total cost will be:
RM500(1000x0.50) +
min brokerage fee of RM28(for online transaction, 0.42%) or RM40(normal broker fees, 0.6%) +
stamp fees, RM1 (RM1 for every RM1K) +
clearing fees (0.03% for every RM1K, iiam)
=> RM530-535

For HLB investment house, it only charge RM12 min brokerage fees.

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How do I open a Trading account as a student without income? I called up Kenanga and Hong Leong and was told it was impossible.
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How do I open a Trading account as a student without income? I called up Kenanga and Hong Leong and was told it was impossible.
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it is possible. I also a student without income and I manage to open a account with invest .. smile.gif .. it is a must that u have to be above 18 years old. smile.gif ..
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QUOTE(Seng_Kiat @ May 18 2008, 10:07 AM)
it is possible. I also a student without income and I manage to open a account with invest .. smile.gif .. it is a must that u have to be above 18 years old. smile.gif ..
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I am 18, how and where did you do it?
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If u r 18, i think it is unnecessary for u to tell them u r student or hv no stable income.
From banker, off course they dun think you are suitable to invest now.
However, just go apply account online, once you have RM1k in trading account, u r entitle to start share trading.
No such term and condition that stated student cant involve in share trading, most important u hv $$
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good to see so many ppl starting early.
maybe one of you will be the next Warren Buffet.

My advice for u young ppl.
Before u part with your money.
Read this books first. Since u r still studying u shud absorb better.

The Intelligent Investor - Benjamin Graham
Common Stocks Uncommon Profits - Phillip Fisher

This two are the bible of investing.

For further reading if u r interested

Security Analysis - Benjamin Graham

Now is the age of the internet , u shud be able to find more info.
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What happens when say, we have 1K in our trading account, and some portion is used to buy shares? Hence the cash will fall below 1K right?

So do we need to top up till 1K? Or the shares value will be taken into consideration also?

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you meant margin financing or what? you do not need to topup if you have enough money to cover ur purchase
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QUOTE(Darkmage12 @ Jun 5 2008, 03:02 PM)
you meant margin financing or what? you do not need to topup if you have enough money to cover ur purchase
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Hmm say I put 1K in my trading account, and Rm500 is used to buy shares, so now I got RM500 cash and RM500 worth of shares, if we ignore the fees etc.. So means considered I got 1K in my account? Or need to top up RM500 cash?

And one more thing, same example as above, but taken into consideration the FEES charged, cash will surely be less that RM500, so need to top up?

Am really new here, hope all SIFUS can guide me..

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Why do you need to topup? You don't owe them anything
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Why do you need to topup? You don't owe them anything
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Haha well isn't the minimum balance to have in a trading account is RM1K??

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Haha well isn't the minimum balance to have in a trading account is RM1K??

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it depends on investment house .... some dont require any upfront cash.
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those banking one, ie. maybank usually requires upfront cash...


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it depends on investment house .... some dont require any upfront cash.
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do osk188 required any deposit before can start trading online for new account?
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osk i not sure cos i got shares inside anyway osk is quite good same as to hwang dbs smile.gif
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osk i not sure cos i got shares inside anyway osk is quite good same as to hwang dbs smile.gif
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For OSK, initially needs some deposit and the broker might ask you to put in the same amount in the trading account before you buy. But after a couple of transaction, they won't mind your account not having the amount required as long as you can settle on T + 3.
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For OSK, initially needs some deposit and the broker might ask you to put in the same amount in the trading account before you buy. But after a couple of transaction, they won't mind your account not having the amount required as long as you can settle on T + 3.
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It depends on the Q cummulative also (aka quantity). If buy Q at 3.32/10 lots but you key in 3.30 of 100 lots then your 100 lots will be done at 3.30.

Your buying price of 1.35 will be done. The price can drop to 1.25 without done at 1.35 of your Q.
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Hi guys tumpang thread, I'm new too and plan to invest. So I read up this thread and it's very informative, but there's something I don't quite understand above.

What is 3.32/10 lots?
Then 3.30 of 100 lots?

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Hi guys tumpang thread, I'm new too and plan to invest. So I read up this thread and it's very informative, but there's something I don't quite understand above.

What is 3.32/10 lots?
Then 3.30 of 100 lots?

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Price / quantity of shares bid/ask(buy/sell)
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Let say I want to buy a stock price at 5.00.

1) I only have RM 1k, can I still buy that stock?
2) How about with RM 5k and 10k?
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Let say I want to buy a stock price at 5.00.

1) I only have RM 1k, can I still buy that stock?
2) How about with RM 5k and 10k?
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1) Yes, you can buy 100 shares or 1 lot of the RM5.00 counter. But make sure you tell the remisier/broker is 100 shares instead of saying 1 lots because some brokers still have the thinking 1 lot = 1000 shares. Reasone you can't buy 200 shares is because there are other charges which comes with the purchase.

2) You can buy any amount as long as you have the cash to pay for it. but minimum is 100 shares.


My advise is to not buy shares if you only have RM1 k in hand. Mainly because the charges on top of purchasing price will already kill you when you buy such a small amount.


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I'm beginner and trading using OSK188 , everytimes after I buy share , after few day , the bank remiser will ask me want "pick up" the share or not .

May i know what is the meaning of "pick up" ? What different between "pick up" and no "pick up" ?

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STOCK CODE NAME REF HIGH LOW LAST CHANGE VOLUME

3182 GENTING 5.450 5.500 5.350 5.400 -0.050 93862

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Hope all sifu here can teach me while adding some informative thing into this thread for future "search" references :-)


1) What the meaning of REF represent by 5.450? Is it the current price at that time?

2) High and Low means the share for today most high and low price?

3) Last and Change means?

4) Volume represent the current amount of people buying the shares?


Cheers :-)


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STOCK CODE  NAME      REF  HIGH      LOW  LAST    CHANGE  VOLUME

3182                GENTING  5.450      5.500  5.350      5.400  -0.050          93862

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Hope all sifu here can teach me while adding some informative thing into this thread for future "search" references :-)
1) What the meaning of REF represent by 5.450? Is it the current price at that time?

2) High and Low means the share for today most high and low price?

3) Last and Change means?

4) Volume represent the current amount of people buying the shares?
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1) REF is reference price or the closing price of the counter in the last trading day.

2) Yes, HIGH is the highest price for the share for that day and LOW is the opposite.

3) LAST is the last done price at the current moment. And CHANGE is the difference between the last done price at the reference price.

4) VOLUME represents the amount of LOTs already traded for the day. All counters start at VOLUME of 0 and as more people buy and sell, it goes up.

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I'm beginner and trading using OSK188 , everytimes after I buy share , after few day , the bank remiser will ask me want "pick up" the share or not .

May i know what is the meaning of "pick up" ? What different between "pick up" and no "pick up" ?

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I think what you mean by pick up is buying right??
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I'm beginner and trading using OSK188 , everytimes after I buy share , after few day , the bank remiser will ask me want "pick up" the share or not .

May i know what is the meaning of "pick up" ? What different between "pick up" and no "pick up" ?

Thank you
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I experience this as well when I first started using OSK. Normally the brokers will ask you to pick up meaning to actually pay for the share. Because if you intend to sell it before T + 3, they won't pick it up and they will ask you for a sell price to be queued. If you intend to pick it up or buy it and hold it beyond T + 3, you can tell them upfront to pick it up when the transaction is done. This means they won't ask you about it before T + 3 as they know you already intent to pick it up and will settle the amount using your trust account or whatever ways you use to pay them.







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I experience this as well when I first started using OSK. Normally the brokers will ask you to pick up meaning to actually pay for the share. Because if you intend to sell it before T + 3, they won't pick it up and they will ask you for a sell price to be queued. If you intend to pick it up or buy it and hold it beyond T  + 3, you can tell them upfront to pick it up when the transaction is done. This means they won't ask you about it before T + 3 as they know you already intent to pick it up and will settle the amount using your trust account or whatever ways you use to pay them.
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Thank you very much...Want to ask , I'm using osk188 online trading , if i sell stock , how is the way i received money ? (So far , i just buy stock but haven't sell before)
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Thank you very much...Want to ask , I'm using osk188 online trading , if i sell stock , how is the way i received money ? (So far , i just buy stock but haven't sell before)
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It will be credited according to what you choose. I believe under the application form, you can choose either to bank into your bank account or your trust account or issued a cheque.

Normally I ask them to automatically put back into my trust account so I can use it again. Just tell your broker how you want it done. For online trades, I'm not entirely sure how they will handle it. Best you call their help line for that.

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It will be credited according to what you choose. I believe under the application form, you can choose either to bank into your bank account or your trust account or issued a cheque.

Normally I ask them to automatically put back into my trust account so I can use it again. Just tell your broker how you want it done. For online trades, I'm not entirely sure how they will handle it. Best you call their help line for that.
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Let say i want they automatically put back into my trust account . For example , today i sell my stock , so when they will put the money into my trust account ? By today or T+3 ?
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QUOTE(YuNGSeNG @ Jun 16 2008, 11:52 AM)
Let say i want they automatically put back into my trust account . For example , today i sell my stock , so when they will put the money into my trust account ? By today or T+3 ?
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my past experience is, if you sell today, your money will be put back to your trust account only after 3 days.
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more question here..

what is x 100 shares when u're buying?

example the share price is 1.20
if u key in 10 x 100 shares = 1000 shares means?

i think i got it..

1000 shares of 1.20 = rm 1200

hehe.. sorry for the trouble..

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how and where to see the past prices of the shares bcause i want to see the movement of the share prices. can anyone help me? I'm still in the learning process
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If I buy a stock at rm 1 price, and I want it to auto sell when it reach rm 1.10, can I do it automatically on the sell button stating sell at rm 1.10?
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If I buy a stock at rm 1 price, and I want it to auto sell when it reach rm 1.10, can I do it automatically on the sell button stating sell at rm 1.10?
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It depends on online portal you are using. Some have order feature that 'good until xx date' one, then yes, you can. Your order of 1.10 will automatically being key in into the trading system everyday to Q.
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umm I'm using HLEbroking.. Don't see any order feature except it said "valid until 5pm"..

But there's option 5 options of sell price (last best, best sell, 2nd best etc. but you can key in any price you want)

I guess it's auto right? hmmm

And two more thing..

What is short selling? Is it that I buy a share at 1pm, then when it rise/drop like in 1 or 2 hours I sell it, is this call short selling? oh dear am i asking a dumb question.. lol...

And is there a limit of shares I can buy? Cause I got an exceed error, I'm limited by the shares (but not my trading limit). Is there a formula to this?

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1 lot is equivalent to how many shares?? 100 or 1000, just curious. What is the minimum we can buy
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1 lot is equivalent to how many shares?? 100 or 1000, just curious. What is the minimum we can buy
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it used to be 1 lot=1000 shares, am i right?
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umm I'm using HLEbroking.. Don't see any order feature except it said "valid until 5pm"..
Not available until next release of their software. Meantime, my remisier says you can tell them, and they will key in the order everyday for you or you do that yourself. biggrin.gif

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What is short selling? Is it that I buy a share at 1pm, then when it rise/drop like in 1 or 2 hours I sell it, is this call short selling? oh dear am i asking a dumb question.. lol...
Not short selling, but intraday trading, ie, buy/sell on same day.

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And is there a limit of shares I can buy? Cause I got an exceed error, I'm limited by the shares (but not my trading limit). Is there a formula to this?
By default, the limit is up to twice the amount you have in the SharesDirect Current Account.
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Hmm.. I realize something..

So the share I buy today, won't be keep until I sell it? Cause last friday I buy a share, and today the share is all gone and my trading limit is back to where I started.. So I need to re-buy it everyday?

I'm using HLE fyi..
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what's the differences btwn options and call warrants? From what i've read both are the rights not obligation to buy shares at certain price and at certain time. Can anybody help?
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what's the differences btwn options and call warrants? From what i've read both are the rights not obligation to buy shares at certain price and at certain time. Can anybody help?
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From my understanding, there are put and call warrants. Both are options.
So I think you can say call warrants are a subset of options.
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what's the differences btwn options and call warrants? From what i've read both are the rights not obligation to buy shares at certain price and at certain time. Can anybody help?
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Usually in local KLSE market, only call warrants are tradeable.
Options only available in foreign market like NYSE.


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I got one problem.. I bought a stock price at 0.010 using HLEbroking, when it reach 0.015, I wanted to sell it, but when I key in sell, it said I have 0 share available to sell.. What does this mean? Hmmm...

Called them..

Here's the problem.. I bought the share b4 it rise, it is confirmed at 0.010, but when I called them, they said yes it's confirmed, but still que-ing.. Isn't it real-time?
What happen if it drop? So everyday I have to que 3-4 hours b4 it rise/drop? Hmm.. Getting drowsy lol..

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Usually in local KLSE market, only call warrants are tradeable.
Options only available in foreign market like NYSE.
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so u mean both are the same except that options only available in US???
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QUOTE(shoduken @ Jun 24 2008, 02:51 PM)
I got one problem.. I bought a stock price at 0.010 using HLEbroking, when it reach 0.015, I wanted to sell it, but when I key in sell, it said I have 0 share available to sell.. What does this mean? Hmmm...

Called them..

Here's the problem.. I bought the share b4 it rise, it is confirmed at 0.010, but when I called them, they said yes it's confirmed, but still que-ing.. Isn't it real-time?
What happen if it drop? So everyday I have to que 3-4 hours b4 it rise/drop? Hmm.. Getting drowsy lol..
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Do you really understand how the market works? How the buy/sell queue works?

I hope you do but I have a feeling you think that when the last price done is 0.010, you queue for that and immediately you get to buy. This is totally wrong.
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I actually understand it now.. Silly me.. :-(
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so u mean both are the same except that options only available in US???
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Call warrants is subset of options. Indirectly, both almost the same.
Anyway, i haven't trade options before so i'm not quite sure of it.


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Do you really understand how the market works? How the buy/sell queue works?

I hope you do but I have a feeling you think that when the last price done is 0.010, you queue for that and immediately you get to buy. This is totally wrong.
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To check whether you've bought shares or not, you can check whether the order has been matched or not.
If it matched, then confirmed you've own those shares based on quantity matched.

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Yeah I actually get it now.. Thanks guys.. Sorry for the trouble.. Cheers
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hello everyone, I am newbie for this...
I dont know anything about investment, can some tell me where should i start.


can someone just explain this from http://www.bursamalaysia.com/
NAME:FKLI, MONTH: Jun 2008, OPEN:1182.00 HIGH: 1188.50, LOW: 1180.00, BID:1187.00, ASK: 1188.00, LAST: 1187.00, SETT.P: 1187.00, CHANGE:0.00, OI:23118 , VOLUME:8,079

thanks, i noob for this.



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hello everyone, I am newbie for this...
I dont know anything about investment, can some tell me where should i start.
can someone just explain this from http://www.bursamalaysia.com/
NAME:FKLI,  MONTH:  Jun 2008, OPEN:1182.00  HIGH: 1188.50,  LOW: 1180.00, BID:1187.00,  ASK: 1188.00,  LAST: 1187.00,  SETT.P: 1187.00, CHANGE:0.00,  OI:23118 ,  VOLUME:8,079

thanks, i noob for this.
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Start with Investopedia . Do their basic training and also advance for a good idea of how general market works as well as how it correlates with other investments.

Happy learning. biggrin.gif

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Start with Investopedia . Do their basic training and also advance for a good idea of how general market works as well as how it correlates with other investments.

Happy learning.  biggrin.gif
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Came across the following document that has a lot of common sense points:

http://www.anotherwinningtrade.com/SuccessTradingGroup.pdf


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QUOTE(mls_gamer @ Jun 28 2008, 12:22 AM)
hello everyone, I am newbie for this...
I dont know anything about investment, can some tell me where should i start.
can someone just explain this from http://www.bursamalaysia.com/
NAME:FKLI,  MONTH:  Jun 2008, OPEN:1182.00  HIGH: 1188.50,  LOW: 1180.00, BID:1187.00,  ASK: 1188.00,  LAST: 1187.00,  SETT.P: 1187.00, CHANGE:0.00,  OI:23118 ,  VOLUME:8,079

thanks, i noob for this.
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I'm not scolding nor complaining.But juz wish some of us might plz go thru the whole thread first before hands up a question. Your question is well answer by the first post in laz page.(pg 6 first post #101).

I think it is quite difficult for them to answer the question repeatly. This thread only have 6 page. It only takes us less than 45 minutes to go thru it.

Edit:
Sorry, no offence. Juz wish everyone can make use of forum more wisely. A deep apologize to all.

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I'm not scolding nor complaining.But juz wish some of us might plz go thru the whole thread first before hands up a question. Your question is well answer by the first post in laz page.(pg 6 first post #101).

I think it is quite difficult for them to answer the question repeatly. This thread only have 6 page. It only takes us less than 45 minutes to go thru it.

Edit:
Sorry, no offence. Juz wish everyone can make use of forum more wisely. A deep apologize to all.
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I kind of understand your frustration. I like to help as much as the next person, but after a while I realise better not to get frustrated over these things. I just don't answer most of the time unless genuinely answer seeking people actually made the effort to look for the answer before asking.

A lot of people expect to be fed information without seeking it themselves. At the end of the day, it's their money they are gambling with. brows.gif
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I have a question which is is there any securities institution provide short selling of bond and stock in Malaysia???

i know the risk of short selling and i would like to invest do short selling but can't find out how to do short selling...

And in case of sharp interest increase (3-4%) in Malaysia, what kind of investment should i do to make profit during the high interest rate??
i only can think of short-selling stock and bond during the high interest rate...

Sharing of any idea will be appreciated.. Thx

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Really helpful!!

I will start reading investpedia later..


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I have a question which is is there any securities institution provide short selling of bond and stock in Malaysia???

i know the risk of short selling and i would like to invest do short selling but can't find out how to do short selling...

And in case of sharp interest increase (3-4%) in Malaysia, what kind of investment should i do to make profit during the high interest rate??
i only can think of short-selling stock and bond during the high interest rate...

Sharing of any idea will be appreciated.. Thx
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Bonds I think (not 100% sure) one can't short it in Malaysia. But for stocks, there is a regulated short-selling mechanism in place already on certain designated stocks approved by SC that can be short-sell.
To short stocks, one needs to borrow the shares first from investment banks, then place in short-sell list (I forgot what they call it, somehow just a list of numbers of shares being placed for short sell), then one can start short sell it. It is a tedious and troublesome procedure, even fund managers reluctant to do it.
Not to mention, individual, whereby investment banks won't be interested to lend you a few ten of thousand shares only, right?
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on the other day i went to hwang dbs inv bank to open up cds and trading account but unfortunately they ask me to find a guarentor. I've no income bcoz im student so they require a guarentor, if can i dont want to involve anyone with this so is there any brokers firm which dont require a student like me to get a guarentor before opening trading account??
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QUOTE(Molotov Cocktail @ Jul 24 2008, 12:03 PM)
on the other day i went to hwang dbs inv bank to open up cds and trading account but unfortunately they ask me to find a guarentor. I've no income bcoz im student so they require a guarentor, if can i dont want to involve anyone with this so is there any brokers firm which dont require a student like me to get a guarentor before opening trading account??
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Last time when i registered with RHBInvest or OSK, i didn't need to get guarantor when to open trading account with them.
I'm not sure whether is there need guarantor for student / or no salary income slip. I think shouldn't be lor since minimum age to trade share market is 18 years old.
Maybe you can try your luck in OSK or RHBInvest.
Good luck to you and learn basic trading skills first before jumping into sea biggrin.gif
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thanks for the advice, i've already miss the boat for the AA shares bcoz of this.. why need a guarentor ?can anybody explain??
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thanks for the advice, i've already miss the boat for the AA shares bcoz of this.. why need a guarentor ?can anybody explain??
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I think guarantor is help u settle your payment if you cannot affort to pay after T+3 . Anyway , u can try other broker house which do not require guarantor such as OSK or any like other people mention. I'm using OSK but I heard Heong Leong not bad too (minimum RM12 brokerage fee which is the cheapest).
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QUOTE(skiddtrader @ Jun 22 2008, 01:34 AM)
1 lot = 100 shares. minimum is 1 lot.
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that depend on the remiser. Last time 1 lot=1000 unit now 1 lot=100 unit. i'm still using the old one eventh i start invest last year. but at the end is still the same...how much unit u want to buy and the statment will come as unit not lot !


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QUOTE(klsestockreview @ Jan 15 2008, 06:27 PM)
Well put Cherroy! Very clear explaination about CDS and Trading accounts. Actually their names also explain their function. Central Depository System is where your shares are credited/deposited once you make a purchase of an IPO or on the open market. A trading account is simply an account you use to make trades.
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sorry to interup...actually how to buy an IPO with CDS and trading account.? I heard that we can buy an IPO 1 day before it close and get our money (in the account) back the next day if it is not sellected.

regards

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sorry to interup...actually how to buy an IPO with CDS and trading account.? I heard that we can buy an IPO 1 day before it close and get our money (in the account) back the next day if it is not sellected.
I bought Perwaja Steel from CIMB Clicks using OSK CDS account. I heard somewhere you can also use ATM to buy too.
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I bought Perwaja Steel from CIMB Clicks using OSK CDS account. I heard somewhere you can also use ATM to buy too.
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You not scare aa?
Those people bought cheap with Kinstel share sure dump like hell as they bought RM0.60 cheaper than market price wor.
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QUOTE(andrekua @ Aug 7 2008, 12:29 AM)
You not scare aa?
Those people bought cheap with Kinstel share sure dump like hell as they bought RM0.60 cheaper than market price wor.
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Not necessary as it may rally above IPO price. who knows?
I did seen some analysts mentioned Perwaja valuation is above than IPO price. (Well, not all analysts are correct about their analysis. Dun trust much on it biggrin.gif)
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QUOTE(dreams_achiever @ Aug 7 2008, 08:48 PM)
Not necessary as it may rally above IPO price. who knows?
I did seen some analysts mentioned Perwaja valuation is above than IPO price. (Well, not all analysts are correct about their analysis. Dun trust much on it biggrin.gif)
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It much depends on the market sentiment on the day, and also how steel stocks are performing in general.
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QUOTE(andrekua @ Aug 7 2008, 12:29 AM)
You not scare aa?
Those people bought cheap with Kinstel share sure dump like hell as they bought RM0.60 cheaper than market price wor.
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Long term investment not as trading. If go down. Then i average down. Everything have risk but i come from steel industry and i have seen the Perwaja plant with my eyes so i know what i am sure what i am buying into.

Building structures will always need steel and with Penang 2nd Bridge coming along, where you think they will get their supply from? Ann Joo Steel is mainly catering the deform bar 12 to 44mm Diameter and 5.5mm Wirerod. While southern steel is mainly on special steel for export market. The next logical choice will be Perwaja Steel in Gurun.
In my own humble opinion, steel company is good investment in the next few years unless our goverment decideds to put steel bars into control item again. sad.gif


Disclaimer.. Above is just my justification based on my own opinion. I am not from Perwaja or Kinsteel and not promoting their share. Just my own two cents.
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Two Question :

1. Currently I'm using OSK188 online trading for about 2 month plus . Every transaction done , I will received letter from OSK , I just wonder will I received letter from BURSA (in every month or etc) ?

2. Normally after the stock distribute dividen , the price of the stock will drop or not ? Example : let say the price is MYR 1 , after distribute dividen 4sen , will the price become MYR 0.96 ?


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QUOTE(YuNGSeNG @ Aug 22 2008, 01:08 PM)
Two Question :

1. Currently I'm using OSK188 online trading for about 2 month plus . Every transaction done , I will received letter from OSK , I just wonder will I received letter from BURSA (in every month or etc) ?

2. Normally after the stock distribute dividen , the price of the stock will drop or not ? Example : let say the price is MYR 1 , after distribute dividen 4sen , will the price become MYR 0.96 ?
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1. If your CDS is active aka you have transaction, then Bursa will send you the CDS statement from month to month. If not, they won't and will only send about 6 months time or so if account is inactive (even though got shares inside)

2. Yes.
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1. If your CDS is active aka you have transaction, then Bursa will send you the CDS statement from month to month. If not, they won't and will only send about 6 months time or so if account is inactive (even though got shares inside)
I already done few transaction in 2 month plus , but I never received any letter from Bursa before , is it normal ?
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I already done few transaction in 2 month plus , but I never received any letter from Bursa before , is it normal ?
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Yours one is nominee account or direct account with CDS?

Nominee account won't receive any statement from Bursa because you are not dealing with Bursa or having a CDS account with them.
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Yours one is nominee account or direct account with CDS?

Nominee account won't receive any statement from Bursa because you are not dealing with Bursa or having a CDS account with them.
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How to know wheather mine is nominee account or direct account ?

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How to know wheather mine is nominee account or direct account ?
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Mind to tell what investment bank or broker you use? Then can know already.
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Mind to tell what investment bank or broker you use? Then can know already.
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OSK188 online trading ...
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OSK188 online trading ...
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Then do you open a CDS account at that time?
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Then do you open a CDS account at that time?
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If I not mistaken , I think I have open CDS account that time . I had paid RM10 for open CDS account .
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If I not mistaken , I think I have open CDS account that time . I had paid RM10 for open CDS account .
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I'm using OSK as well...... If i'm not mistaken... i got 2 letters from BURSA... 1st one is to inform me that i'd successfully open a CDS acc.... another one stated the amount of shares i got on hand.....
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I once asked my remisier what type of account I had opened. She said all the accounts opened with CDS, through OSK188, are direct accounts.

Dunno if right or not, but I should trust my remisier.... whistling.gif

I receive statement from Bursa every month.
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Question had been answered Thanks for ignore.

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hey guys, can you recommend books or sites for someone who has zero knowledge on the share market. I'd love to invest but I would like to do some research/reading on how the stock market works, how to invest ..etc? any help would be appreciated


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hey guys, can you recommend books or sites for someone who has zero knowledge on the share market. I'd love to invest but I would like to do some research/reading on how the stock market works, how to invest ..etc? any help would be appreciated
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You can start reading Trading for life by Dr.Alexander Elder. His book is easy to understand and suitable for newbies.
You can try looking from this website http://www.bizfun.cc/forum/index.php/board,8.0.html. Inside got alot of ebooks relate to share market and other types of investment tools.

All the best to you!
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Difference between Direct and Nominee CDS account

Guys there is a summary of the difference between Nominee and Direct CDS account on the link.

Courtesy: Iklatmy
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noob here, please correct me if the following definition is wrong, thanks in advance

volume = lot traded = 100 shares
odd lot = less than 100 shares
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noob here, please correct me if the following definition is wrong, thanks in advance

volume = lot traded = 100 shares
odd lot = less than 100 shares
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Any trading house in Subang Jaya?
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"still a student"

if ur still a student my personal opinion is stick to your studies no offence...

share trading can be time consuming and tedious, if ur new try and read and gain more knowledge first dont jump immediately into trading. No point suggesting any counters, because if anyone says that that XYZ company counter is very good andyou will make tonnes of money from it I will say he/she is a lier.

Buying stock is a very subjective matter, it all depends on u reading the materials in the market and doing homework first before u rush in to the market and get slaughtered.

On the other hand, hope is not that bleak for u I suggest u start a unit trust account it works great in a bull market and steadier returns.
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Sorry if offended, but i strongly disagree with what you say. Malaysian used to think that students should just focus on their study but this type of thinking is outdated. many teenagers with the same age like us in other countries have started to invest since they are in high school. It doesnt need u to be more than 23 years old to start investing. If you start right now, you will be a big step ahead of other teenagers who are still spending most of their time playing games and watching porn.

I think it is a wise decision to put RM 2k as your first shot. Actually now the min brokerage fee is RM 12, not RM 40 as what someone mentioned earlier. I am using OSK online trading and the min brokerage fee has been changed back to RM 12.

My advice to you is to learn more about stock market, pick a company and let invest in it for long term. Now we are currently in economic downturn and this is a good opportunity for you to grab up cheap stocks.

Last thing to share with you. Do you know how old Warren Buffet started investing in stock market? It is 11 years old. ( Primary 5 for Malaysian).

All the best for you.
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May I ask...

How do we know what is the support level for a particular stocks?

For example, some hv suggested that IOICORP strong support level is at 2.00 - 2.20, while intermediate support is at 2.50 - 2.70...

Any tools? Charts? or any source that we can refer to?
And how do we define the support level?

Thanks
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It's the point where the price temporary/permanently change direction.
In AIRASIA case around 80sen

OR

at the level where the price is likely to bounce off/remains
e.g RESORT 2.50, this support level have since been broken.

Fortune tellers might want to offer some magic numbers here.

TA will dig further back in time to find where was the last lower low.

Investment trainers will teach you things like Fibonacci retracement levels or
to some extents Candlesticks Bullish Reversal patterns.

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QUOTE(Kinitos @ Oct 27 2008, 10:03 PM)
It's the point where the price temporary/permanently change direction.
In AIRASIA case around 80sen

OR

at the level where the price is likely to bounce off/remains
e.g RESORT 2.50, this support level have since been broken.

Fortune tellers might want to offer some magic numbers here.

TA will dig further back in time to find where was the last lower low.

Investment trainers will teach you things like Fibonacci retracement levels or
to some extents Candlesticks Bullish Reversal patterns.
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Kinitos,

I find that some charts responds to Fibonacci more while others are more based on past support/resistance level.

There is no right or wrong way to interpret the best target price to enter. So i always put a safety factor of -10% to -15% to the magic number. hmm.gif biggrin.gif

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hi guys, this topic will be sharing all your knowladge about

Term fo the stock (Ex,cw....)

Brokerage calculation adding stam fee and otheres.


then way of calculating dividen.

if you know about technical chart, please sahre also







Firstly i would like to know some inforation about

how to calculate brokerage.

for example

i am using cimb online the rate is rm28. what does it mean by 0.420%?

i bought 1x100 @ RM4.8. so the total is RM509.15. how do they calcuate?


Second is what is capital repayment, after capital repayment is it the share par value will go down. for example RM1 to RM0.3?
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QUOTE(tkwfriend @ Nov 1 2008, 09:05 AM)

Firstly i would like to know some inforation about

how to calculate brokerage.

for example

i am using cimb online the rate is rm28. what does it mean by 0.420%?

i bought 1x100 @ RM4.8. so the total is RM509.15. how do they calcuate?
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Share: RM480.00
Brokerage: RM28.00
Clearing Fees: RM0.14
Stamp Duty: RM1.00
Net Amount: RM 509.14
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QUOTE(panasonic88 @ Nov 1 2008, 09:10 AM)
Share: RM480.00
Brokerage: RM28.00
Clearing Fees: RM0.14
Stamp Duty: RM1.00
Net Amount: RM 509.14
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and what does it mean by 0.420% ?
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and what does it mean by 0.420%  ?
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The 0.42% brokerage fee won't have any effect on your transaction because, it is still below the Rm28 min brokerage rate.

Total worth of share x 0.42% = brokerage fee

if it is
48,000 x 0.42% = 201.6, so you brokerage fee is 201.6

4,800 x 0.42% =20.16, it is below min of 28, so Rm 28 is being used.


Added on November 1, 2008, 9:51 amCapital repayment is work like some sort, you give me Rm1.00 but company doesn't utilise the money and decide to return back the money to the shareholders.
So eg. you invest in a share the par value is Rm1.00, but company decided to give back the extra money, let say Rm0.50, so par value will become Rm0.50 and you will be given a cash cheque of Rm0.50.

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The 0.42% brokerage fee won't have any effect on your transaction because, it is still below the Rm28 min brokerage rate.

Total worth of share x 0.42% = brokerage fee

if it is
48,000 x 0.42% = 201.6, so you brokerage fee is 201.6

4,800 x 0.42% =20.16, it is below min of 28, so Rm 28 is being used.


Added on November 1, 2008, 9:51 amCapital repayment is work like some sort, you give me Rm1.00 but company doesn't utilise the money and decide to return back the money to the shareholders.
So eg. you invest in a share the par value is Rm1.00, but company decided to give back the extra money, let say Rm0.50, so par value will become Rm0.50 and you will be given a cash cheque of Rm0.50.
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I tot today minimum RM40....

BTW, student or non student, this depend how the person think, as investment required

a. Exposure to experience either in bull / bear or sideway
b. Need at least knowledge on how to evaluate company financials and its business
c. Need to know some stock market terms PE, ROE, ROI, EPS, ROA etc
d. If you are TA then you need to know what are Elliot Wave, MACD, RSI, Candle Charts terminologies etc
e. Be alert and aware that every of us are part of economy
f. To be able to understand between trading / investment

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QUOTE(Kamen Rider @ Nov 1 2008, 09:58 AM)
I tot today minimum RM40....

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Hi, me again, I know that lowyat gt many pro and sifu at here? As we know that Warren Buffet can become world richest man is not because

he is pro in trading in stock market.... because he believes the power of compound percentage rate for his investment toward the stock that he buy...

He know hw to calculate and estimate the price and P/E of the stock he buy after 10 years,

any pro know hw to calculate and estimate the price and P/E for stock at future?

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Hi, me again, I know that lowyat gt many pro and sifu at here? As we know that Warren Buffet can become world richest man is not because

he is pro in trading in stock market.... because he believes the power of compound percentage rate for his investment toward the stock that he buy...

He know hw to calculate and estimate the price and P/E of the stock he buy after 10 years,

any pro know hw to calculate and estimate the price and P/E for stock at future?
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It is not he knew how to calculate, but he knew those company profit is going to rise because of the strong fundamental of company future.

Future PE is depended on future earning/profit.
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Sorry if offended, but i strongly disagree with what you say. Malaysian used to think that students should just focus on their study but this type of thinking is outdated. many teenagers with the same age like us in other countries have started to invest since they are in high school. It doesnt need u to be more than 23 years old to start investing. If you start right now, you will be a big step ahead of other teenagers who are still spending most of their time playing games and watching porn.

I think it is a wise decision to put RM 2k as your first shot. Actually now the min brokerage fee is RM 12, not RM 40 as what someone mentioned earlier. I am using OSK online trading and the min brokerage fee has been changed back to RM 12.

My advice to you is to learn more about stock market, pick a company and let invest in it for long term. Now we are currently in economic  downturn and this is a good opportunity for you to grab up cheap stocks.

Last thing to share with you. Do you know how old Warren Buffet started investing in stock market? It is 11 years old. ( Primary 5 for Malaysian).

All the best for you.
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Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, so what u propose may or may not be wrong because its ur money and u call the shot.

Of course, if u do call the shots u must also be willing to bear the consequences of your action.

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I work in a Legal Dept (formerly from a futures broker) for an Investment Bank, need i tell u how many bankruptcy cases i see in a day involving those age 30 and below?

It's a sad fact being bankrupted at such a young age when the person has such bright future in front of them.

Alot of us see the "profits" shares and futures trading can bring to us, but they neglected to do proper risk management before they start pouncing right into it.

The trade beyond their safety net.

Our bank charges an interest of 11% + penalty of 2.5% (not exact figures but close) , this is special interest for defaulters.

you do the math.

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It is not he knew how to calculate, but he knew those company profit is going to rise because of the strong fundamental of company future.

Future PE is depended on future earning/profit.
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Yup totally agree with Cherroy. Counting a company profit is very simple. PPl who can really make money like some Uncle lim for example is their ability to see the futures...This is the key that make them rich....Not everyone have this type of ability.
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I stay in JB. How much do I need to open a Nominee or Direct CDS account? Where can I open this account? Thanks
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Keep in mind that nominee CDS cannot be used to apply IPOs. Apply for Direct CDS.
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what's
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1st sell 2nd sell 3rd sell?

if i am going to buy in some unit. which price should i be looking at?
what is exactly buy price and sell price?
sorry. i am really new in this. need to learn first before i invest anything. thank you.
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what's
3rd buy 2nd buy 1st buy
1st sell 2nd sell 3rd sell?

if i am going to buy in some unit. which price should i be looking at?
what is exactly buy price and sell price?
sorry. i am really new in this. need to learn first before i invest anything. thank you.
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1st buy is the highest buying price, follow by 2nd & 3rd.
1st sell is the lowest selling price, follow by 2nd & 3rd.

If you want the share so badly, go for the 1st selling price, almost sure get. You can place higher price if you want too, too, system will allocate the lowest available for you.
Buy price = Buyer's price
Sell price = Seller's price.
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Any idea where to look for remiser in JB? Do they work on Saturday?
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QUOTE(DarkForXe @ Nov 7 2008, 04:12 PM)
what's
3rd buy 2nd buy 1st buy
1st sell 2nd sell 3rd sell?

if i am going to buy in some unit. which price should i be looking at?
what is exactly buy price and sell price?
sorry. i am really new in this. need to learn first before i invest anything. thank you.
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If you want staight away the transaction done, look at 1 sell price, you will get it straight away, if not can put in 1 buy to wait somebody to sell it to you.

Google around and see how transaction being done, then automatically will understand. A simple example on real transaction being done is much easy to understand than a thousand word to describe it.
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Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, so what u propose may or may not be wrong because its ur money and u call the shot.

Of course, if u do call the shots u must also be willing to bear the consequences of your action.

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I work in a Legal Dept (formerly from a futures broker) for an Investment Bank, need i tell u how many bankruptcy cases i see in a day involving those age 30 and below?

It's a sad fact being bankrupted at such a young age when the person has such bright future in front of them.

Alot of us see the "profits" shares and futures trading can bring to us, but they neglected to do proper risk management before they start pouncing right into it.

The trade beyond their safety net.

Our bank charges an interest of 11% + penalty of 2.5% (not exact figures but close) , this is special interest for defaulters.

you do the math.
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sorry to disturb... y they go bankcrupt? due to invest in SE or other factor?
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sorry to disturb... y they go bankcrupt? due to invest in SE or other factor?
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Because they like to? blink.gif Cannot be lah.
People go bankrupt mainly because of speculation (or rather called trading) in future market where leverage is high or speculate (or rather called invest) in stock market with other people's money e.g. margin/ OD/ what ever loan, and they just so happen to be unlucky to caught in the market trend.
Morale of the stories, never invest with high leverage, quick money is good but one day you might need to pay back, with all the interest that you least expected. cry.gif
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sorry to disturb... y they go bankcrupt? due to invest in SE or other factor?
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Because they like to? blink.gif Cannot be lah.
People go bankrupt mainly because of speculation (or rather called trading) in future market where leverage is high or speculate (or rather called invest) in stock market with other people's money e.g. margin/ OD/ what ever loan, and they just so happen to be unlucky to caught in the market trend.
Morale of the stories, never invest with high leverage, quick money is good but one day you might need to pay back, with all the interest that you least expected.  cry.gif
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haha... to begin with there's no need to fear fellow forumner, we r merely peers swimming in a pool of confused and deranged ppl. Some may have answers to some questions, some may not feels free to ask any question you like so long it is within the questions asked.
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haha... to begin with there's no need to fear fellow forumner, we r merely peers swimming in a pool of confused and deranged ppl. Some may have answers to some questions, some may not. Feel free to ask any question you like so long it is within the questions asked.
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ok thanks, then final question... if i bought 100 units worth of share with 1.00 per unit and when the price go down will i need to top up? or the money is just inside there only... thanks in advance and hope u understand this question nod.gif
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ok thanks, then final question... if i bought 100 units worth of share with 1.00 per unit and when the price go down will i need to top up? or the money is just inside there only... thanks in advance and hope u understand this question nod.gif
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ok thanks, then final question... if i bought 100 units worth of share with 1.00 per unit and when the price go down will i need to top up? or the money is just inside there only... thanks in advance and hope u understand this question nod.gif
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ok a simple explanation of the scenario above.

when u buy the shares (this day is known as T+0) ---> than T+1 ---> T+2 ---> T+3 (you must pay on this day be4 1pm, otherwise by the end of this day, the shares will be force sold)

Say you have $1 1000 untis and the price drops to $0.8 1000 units on T+3 and its force sold by the bank. You need only to pay the difference of the shares that is $ 200 for Contra losses.


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hi guys, i have some questions here:
1) 1 LOT is how many shares? Because some ppl say 1 LOT = 100 shares, other say 1 LOT = 1000 shares.
2) What's the minimum LOT to buy ?

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1) 1 LOT is how many shares? Because some ppl say 1 LOT = 100 shares, other say 1 LOT = 1000 shares.
2) What's the minimum LOT to buy ?

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1 lot = 100 shares nowadays.

min? 1 lot lor. biggrin.gif

Because previously market standard 1 lot = 1000 shares. So old timers always associated 1 lots = 1000 shares. But since then KLSE changed to 100 shares, then standard now become 100 shares per lot.
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hi guys, i have some questions here:
1) 1 LOT is how many shares? Because some ppl say 1 LOT = 100 shares, other say 1 LOT = 1000 shares.
2) What's the minimum LOT to buy ?

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Malaysia, 1 lot = 100 share. It used to be 1,000 share previously, but that's years ago, old people (Gen W) like me might still have memory of that. tongue.gif
Else where, mostly 1 lot = 1,000 share unless mention specific.
You can buy 1 lot (100 share) if you want to. tongue.gif
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just say u wan 10 lots = 1K shares lor.. ur remisier will paham...

if not whack him/her
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hi, newbie here , if I go to osk open trading account will it automatically open up the cds account nominee type?? or they will give me to choose whether a nominee type or direct type.

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hi, newbie here , if I go to osk open trading account will it automatically open up the cds account nominee type?? or they will give me to choose whether a nominee type or direct type.

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OSK normally deal with direct account.
Better ask properly about it.

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Nowadays I just realised some investors are only rely on the dividend counter as their income, my question is, does it mean for every quarter there will be a dividend? or it only paid once per year? Assume that this is a good counter like TM, or Digi or Maybank or whatever it is .. hmm.gif . How the dividend distributed? 3 month? 6 month? or more than a year?
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QUOTE(Irzani @ Nov 14 2008, 02:57 PM)
Nowadays I just realised some investors are only rely on the dividend counter as their income, my question is, does it mean for every quarter there will be a dividend? or it only paid once per year? Assume that this is a good counter like TM, or Digi or Maybank or whatever it is ..  hmm.gif . How the dividend distributed? 3 month? 6 month? or more than a year?
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The answer will be as good as the question. tongue.gif
It all down to management of the company. Some give quarterly, some half yearly and some yearly. Unless stated in their dividend policy, else board of director is free to declare or change dividend distribution in the company's benefit (except final dividend which required to be voted pass during AGM).
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The answer will be as good as the question. tongue.gif 
It all down to management of the company. Some give quarterly, some half yearly and some yearly. Unless stated in their dividend policy, else board of director is free to declare or change dividend distribution in the company's benefit (except final dividend which required to be voted pass during AGM).
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So, whenever there's a news like "Quarterly rpt on consolidated results for the financial period ended xx/x/2008" and it stated "Proposed/Declared dividend per share (sen) - "Rm xx.xx", does it mean the investor will receive money for that quarter? Is it possible to get dividend for 4 times a year?
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So, whenever there's a news like "Quarterly rpt on consolidated results for the financial period ended xx/x/2008" and it stated "Proposed/Declared dividend per share (sen) - "Rm xx.xx", does it mean the investor will receive money for that quarter? Is it possible to get dividend for 4 times a year?
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Yes, if they proposed it.

Normally and majority opt for 2 times per financial year, one interim one final.
Only a few give quarterly.
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Yes, if they proposed it.

Normally and majority opt for 2 times per financial year, one interim one final.
Only a few give quarterly.
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Owh, 2 times only .. I thought every quarter .. whistling.gif

Look like next time I should consider to play dividend counter if so lazy to monitor the price or choosing a good counter for short term ..

TQ for the info notworthy.gif
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So, whenever there's a news like "Quarterly rpt on consolidated results for the financial period ended xx/x/2008" and it stated "Proposed/Declared dividend per share (sen) - "Rm xx.xx", does it mean the investor will receive money for that quarter? Is it possible to get dividend for 4 times a year?
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BJTOTO would be the best counter wic never late in giving div quarterly thumbup.gif
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BJTOTO would be the best counter wic never late in giving div quarterly  thumbup.gif
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ok, i'm noob with this dividend stuff.

how long do we need to hold the shares to be eligible for dividend payment?


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ok, i'm noob with this dividend stuff.

how long do we need to hold the shares to be eligible for dividend payment?
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As long as you have the share before ex-date of the dividend, then you are entitled for it. Be it buy just before the ex-date or 3 months ago.
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As long as you have the share before ex-date of the dividend, then you are entitled for it. Be it buy just before the ex-date or 3 months ago.
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How to see if a share is ex-div or cum-div?
When share is cum-div, is it cum-div for last 1 year, or last quarter?

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As long as you have the share before ex-date of the dividend, then you are entitled for it. Be it buy just before the ex-date or 3 months ago.
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3 months? hmm.gif

Okies, how about this example :

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EX-date : 26/11/2008 
Entitlement date : 28/11/2008 
Entitlement time : 05:00:00 PM 
Entitlement subject : Others
Entitlement description : Share split involving the subdivision of each of the ordinary shares of RM1.00 each in Formosa Prosonic Industries Berhad (“FPIB”) held after the bonus issue into 2 ordinary shares of RM0.50 each in FPIB (“Subdivided Shares”)



Payment date  : 
a. Securities transferred into the Depositor's Securities Account before 4:00 pm in respect of transfers
: 28/11/2008
b. Securities deposited into the Depositor's Securities Account before 12:30 pm in respect of securities exempted from mandatory deposit

c. Securities bought on the Exchange on a cum entitlement basis according to the Rules of the Exchange.

Number of new shares/securities issued (units) (If applicable)

Entitlement indicator : Ratio
Ratio  : 2 : 1 
Rights Issues/Offer Price  :



Remarks :
In accordance with the Listing Requirements of Bursa Malaysia Securities Berhad, the date of listing of and quotation for the Subdivided Shares will be on 1 December 2008, being the next market day after the entitlement date.

FPIB’s Registrar will issue and despatch notices of allotment to the entitled shareholders by 5 December 2008.
Can you give a little summary about this and how to read it?

P/s: Noob here ..

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3 months?  hmm.gif

Okies, how about this example :
Can you give a little summary about this and how to read it?

P/s: Noob here ..
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Means if you hold through 28/11/08 (sell after the date), you will entitle for the split share (1 share become 2 share, your ordinary share remains and they will issue you with another share, but the PAR value halved). You can sell your share immediately after the ex-date (only the ordinary one, split one need to wait a bit to be safe.

Example:
ordinary holding: 1,000 share of RM1.00 PAR value.
on 29/11/08
ordinary holding become 1,000 share of RM0.50 PAR value
+ split share of 1,000 share of RM0.50 PAR value

Hope I make it clear. tongue.gif
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Means if you hold through 28/11/08 (sell after the date), you will entitle for the split share (1 share become 2 share, your ordinary share remains and they will issue you with another share, but the PAR value halved). You can sell your share immediately after the ex-date (only the ordinary one, split one need to wait a bit to be safe.

Example:
ordinary holding: 1,000 share of RM1.00 PAR value.
on 29/11/08
ordinary holding become 1,000 share of RM0.50 PAR value
+ split share of 1,000 share of RM0.50 PAR value

Hope I make it clear. tongue.gif
Please correct me if I am wrong. biggrin.gif
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So, if 1 shares split into two. Isn't that it's still the same value in price?

Example:

1 lot= 1000 shares = Rm 1

After entitlement :

Split 1 share to become two share but par value half : 2 shares : (1000+1000) = 2000 share = Rm 1

Like that? Or I'm too noob here .. tongue.gif

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So, if 1 shares split into two. Isn't that it's still the same value in price?

Example:

1 lot= 1000 shares = Rm 1

After entitlement :

Split 1 share to become two share but par value half : 2 shares : (1000+1000) = 2000 share = Rm 1

Like that? Or I'm too noob here .. tongue.gif
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If the immediate closing price is RM1.00
ideally should become 2,000 x RM0.50 = RM1,000.
but normally got a bit premium after split, maybe like:
2,000 x RM0.55 = RM1,100.

Example only. Sometime no premium also, depends on market and the company's fundamental.
Don't hold me for responsibility if the market go the other way round tongue.gif

Par value wise:
1,000 share RM1.00 par value => 2,000 share RM0.50 par value (this one definitely like that, how much is the par value depends on how they split the share).
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Owh, the important one is the premium, if no premium, there's no profit right? nod.gif
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Owh, the important one is the premium, if no premium, there's no profit right? nod.gif
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QUOTE(LalaMui @ Nov 15 2008, 03:52 AM)
Gucci... singaporean underage... well... everything else is history.

i carry more than $20k to bank-in every monday in plastic bag. once ive ever carry bout $70k oso in plastic bag oni.
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OSK normally deal with direct account.
Better ask properly about it.
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Good morning everyone, seems like some have question about direct/noms CDS during opening of trading account.

So, i try to shares my knowledge about trading account opening with you all. Do correct me if i wrong and miss out anything.

Let's start will type of retail trading account for individual.
basically they are two type of account which is Direct and Securitised.
So when you open your trading account you have to choose either Direct and Securitised.

Direct account will have his name in the CDS account and Securitised will have the Noms account pledged security for XXX.

So let see the different between this two account.
For direct account, actually your trading limit is against Remisier Security Deposit which mean even your trading limit is RM500k but your Remisier trading limitis only RM300k, you can only can buy up to RM300k.

The basic calculation for Remisier trading limit:
[(Remisier deposit) - losses (all clients)] x X (multiplier, e.g. 10 times (vary by different PO) = Y
Y will have to minus o/s purchase (all clients) = available limit of the day (share by all his clients).

Therefore, direct account trading limit will have to depends on your Remisier limit.


Securitised account using noms cds is because. your trading limit is against your collateral.
Therefore, your purchase will not included in the Remisier available limit. Your trading limit is solely based on what you have in your account, i.e. shares and trust (cash in your trading account).

Why using noms is because PO can force sell your shares if your didn't pay your losses where else Direct they cannot simply force sell your shares to cover losses.

some PO have the "direct" securitised which you can use your own name in your CDS but you have to sign letter indemnity where if you incur losses, they have the rights to force sell your shares to settled the losses. [Pros is you can apply IPO because you are using your own name in CDS instead of Noms]

You don't have any limit if you don't have any collateral in your securitised account even approved limit i.e. RM200k.

Therefore, choose the account yourself instead let your remisier choose for you. Some tricky remisier will help you open the securitised so will not "eat" his trading limit because either his clients losses is so hugh until he no longer have limit or his security deposit is limited to shares among his clients.

hope this will help biggrin.gif

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QUOTE(trainee06 @ Nov 15 2008, 09:52 AM)
Therefore, choose the account yourself instead let your remisier choose for you. Some tricky remisier will help you open the securitised so will not "eat" his trading limit because either his clients losses is so hugh until he no longer have limit or his security deposit is limited to shares among his clients.

hope this will help  biggrin.gif
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this is a nice piece of info... thanks for sharing rclxms.gif


Added on November 15, 2008, 12:41 pm
QUOTE(htt @ Nov 14 2008, 11:28 PM)
Spot on. rclxms.gif
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so the example that Irzani gave is called "rights issued" right?
for "bonus issued", u'll get the bonus shares free?

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QUOTE(arthas @ Nov 15 2008, 12:39 PM)
this is a nice piece of info... thanks for sharing  rclxms.gif


Added on November 15, 2008, 12:41 pm

so the example that Irzani gave is called "rights issued" right?
for "bonus issued", u'll get the bonus shares free?
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No, the example is bonus issue (also known as share split).
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The last time I give a question about share split from entitlement. Now, just find the right one example for the dividend ..

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MELEWAR INDUSTRIAL GROUP BERHAD

EX-date : 11/12/2008 
Entitlement date : 15/12/2008 
Entitlement time : 05:00:00 PM 
Entitlement subject : First and Final Dividend
Entitlement description : First and Final Dividend of 4% less 25% Tax


Payment date  : 30/12/2008
a. Securities transferred into the Depositor's Securities Account before 4:00 pm in respect of transfers
: 15/12/2008
b. Securities deposited into the Depositor's Securities Account before 12:30 pm in respect of securities exempted from mandatory deposit

c. Securities bought on the Exchange on a cum entitlement basis according to the Rules of the Exchange.

Entitlement indicator : Percentage
Entitlement in percentage (%) : 4
Is this the right step?

1) Buy shares from Melewar before closing time 5 pm by or before 11/12/2008.
2) Keep the shares until 15/12/2008.
3) By 9 a.m, 16/12/2008, the shares already can be sell.
3) Get your payment by 30/12/2008.

Like this? Or I'm wrong? Hehehe .. very naive .. tongue.gif

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QUOTE(Irzani @ Nov 17 2008, 03:17 AM)
The last time I give a question about share split from entitlement. Now, just find the right one example for the dividend ..
Is this the right step?

1) Buy shares from Melewar before closing time 5 pm by or before 11/12/2008.
2) Keep the shares until 15/12/2008.
3) By 9 a.m, 16/12/2008, the shares already can be sell.
3) Get your payment by 30/12/2008.

Like this? Or I'm wrong? Hehehe .. very naive .. tongue.gif
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1) Buy before 11/12 meaning last transaction should be before 10/12 5pm. On 11/12 trading day, the counter would already be adjusted.

2) No need to keep until 15/12. You can sell on the 11/12 which is the ex-date after the counter adjusted.

3) -

4) Profit!


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If a buyer and a seller queue at the same time with the following prices, then what will be the transacted price?

Assume last transacted price is RM2.15

Buyer queue RM2.15
Seller queue RM2.10

Will the buyer buys at 2.15 or 2.10?
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QUOTE(simplesmile @ Nov 17 2008, 04:12 PM)
If a buyer and a seller queue at the same time with the following prices, then what will be the transacted price?

Assume last transacted price is RM2.15

Buyer queue RM2.15
Seller queue RM2.10

Will the buyer buys at 2.15 or 2.10?
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Last transaction has nothing to do.

It depends who key in the order first.

If buyer Q at 2.15 first then even seller key in order of 2.10, it will be matched at 2.15
If seller Q at 2.10 first then even buyer key in order of 2.15, it will be matched at 2.10


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QUOTE(cherroy @ Nov 17 2008, 04:48 PM)
Last transaction has nothing to do.

It depends who key in the order first.

If buyer Q at 2.15 first then even seller key in order of 2.10, it will be matched at 2.15
If seller Q at 2.10 first then even buyer key in order of 2.15, it will be matched at 2.10
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Thanks.

Which board is more volatile? which is better hunting ground for newbies? Which is safer for newbies? Main board or Second board?

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Hi,

I have previously vested in some stock about 6 years ago, but that time I dont know much about share so I just listen to advice from some friend (not that I know much now tongue.gif ), I am glad it went alright that time. I wanted to reinvest some fund back into the share market in the coming weeks too, but this time I would really like to learn and make inform decision myself. I have been following this thread and few others in this forum recently. But I have a few questions... hope some sifus can icon_question.gif me:

1. I have an account with avenue securities 6 years ago, bought and sold all the shares. So my account is not active anymore and I do not have any information about it, I remember the remisier called me to close my account about 5 years ago, but I dont know the difference between cd and trading account that time, so I am not sure whether i close the cd, trading or both blush.gif . Do I have to open a new CD account if I were to use another security company like OSK (since I have been relocated recently). Or OSK will be able to find my old CD account and I only have to open a new trading account with them to start trading?

2. profit/divident from share is it taxable? (is it true that there is no tax for divident starting 2008?) do we nomaly declare?

3. how about mutual fund? is this taxable also?

4. which factor is important deciding whether to buy or not? P/E ratio, future of company/industry, divident, account transperancy? (I wanted to invest for the longer term, targetting about 10-15% return per year.

5. what is a suport level/resist level means?

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Thanks.

Which board is more volatile? which is better hunting ground for newbies? Which is safer for newbies? Main board or Second board?
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There is no safer ground in stock market, want safer investment, then go for FD. No offence.

For newbie, don't invest anything before knowing and fully clear about it.

For stock, it is always advisable go for blue chips that is well reputable.

Don't mean others can't make money, but blue chips are always lower risk than other unknown xyz stock, as normally blue chips are well covered by research house, which you can obtain the company easily than others unknown stocks. Reputable or well managed is also a key factor that people has confidence about the company.

QUOTE(smooth9 @ Nov 17 2008, 06:02 PM)
Hi,

I have previously vested in some stock about  6 years ago, but that time I dont know much about share so I just listen to advice from some friend (not that I know much now  tongue.gif ), I am glad it went alright that time. I wanted to reinvest some fund back into the share market in the coming weeks too, but this time I would really like to learn and make inform decision myself. I have been following this thread and few others in this forum recently. But I have a few questions... hope some sifus can  icon_question.gif  me:

1. I have an account with avenue securities 6 years ago, bought and sold all the shares. So my account is not active anymore and I do not have any information about it, I remember the remisier called me to close my account about 5 years ago, but I dont know the difference between cd and trading account that time, so I am not sure whether i close the cd, trading or both  blush.gif . Do I have to open a new CD account if I were to use another security company like OSK (since I have been relocated recently). Or OSK will be able to find my old CD account and I only have to open a new trading account with them to start trading?

2. profit/divident from share is it taxable? (is it true that there is no tax for divident starting 2008?) do we nomaly declare?

3. how about mutual fund? is this taxable also?

4. which factor is important deciding whether to buy or not? P/E ratio, future of company/industry, divident, account transperancy? (I wanted to invest for the longer term, targetting about 10-15% return per year.

5. what is a suport level/resist level means?

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1. No, CDS and trading account generally won't be closed, once open, generally people leave it there, even though it is inactive. So properly you still have the CDS account.. But if your remisier said they want to close the account, then it can be done as well.

No, OSK can't access your Avenue's CDS. If you open an account with OSK, then you have to open another CDS account even you have one at Avenue. CDS is attacked with investment bank or broker house, so if you have 5 trading account with different broker house, then you need to open 5 CDS account.

So don't need to bother the Avenue CDS close or not close, if you intended to trade using OSK.

2. Profit from share trade is not taxable as it is under capital gain which is non-taxable in Malaysia. But dividend is taxable.
From 2008 onwards, those start to declare dividend under new single tier system, those dividend received in your hand already been taxed, so no further tax. <-- where people presumed it is not taxed, in fact it is not.
It is not actually no tax as tax being paid first on company level compared to old system which not taxed at company leve. Just you won't see it, doesn't mean it is not taxed.

3. Mutual fund is under capital gain tax as well.

4. The most important criteria is company profit especially future profit as company profit is the most important factor that determine the share price. All factors you list are important as well as it is combination factor that determine the price and valuation people willing to buy the share.

5. Support level is determined from chart or technical analysis whereby on this level, based on chart, it shows plenty of people want to buy, so share has good support factor (but it doesn't mean it can break to lower level, if selling is strong. So on the opposite side, resistance means there are a lot of selling at that level.

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Thanks a lot cherroy notworthy.gif notworthy.gif notworthy.gif very clear and well put, I will pay a visit to OSK soon, there is so much to learn smile.gif
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Hi, I'm viewing online live stock data provided by my broker. Is the dividend per share net of the 25% tax or gross dividend?
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Hi, I'm viewing online live stock data provided by my broker. Is the dividend per share net of the 25% tax or gross dividend?
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No means, net or gross?
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QUOTE(simplesmile @ Nov 20 2008, 12:01 AM)
No means, net or gross?
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Gross.
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Thanks.
Wow, means if the dividend yield is 10%, then the after tax dividend is only 7.5%. This sucks.
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QUOTE(skiddtrader @ Nov 17 2008, 08:59 AM)
1) Buy before 11/12 meaning last transaction should be before 10/12 5pm. On 11/12 trading day, the counter would already be adjusted.

2) No need to keep until 15/12. You can sell on the 11/12 which is the ex-date after the counter adjusted.

3) -

4) Profit!
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Thanks, this help a lot, playing dividends stock look profitable too in short terms .. smile.gif
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Thanks.
Wow, means if the dividend yield is 10%, then the after tax dividend is only 7.5%. This sucks.
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Cannot calculate like this, because 1-tier one will reflect the net dividend, imputation one you can claim back until you highest tax bracket (unless your income is so high until 25%, if that's the case, mind be friend with me tongue.gif ), tax free one will also reflect before tax (before tax & after tax the same).
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Cannot calculate like this, because 1-tier one will reflect the net dividend, imputation one you can claim back until you highest tax bracket (unless your income is so high until 25%, if that's the case, mind be friend with me tongue.gif ), tax free one will also reflect before tax (before tax & after tax the same).
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I'm in a low tax bracket. That's why I feel dividend income...straightaway deduct 25% for tax (if no imputation) is expensive.
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I'm in a low tax bracket. That's why I feel dividend income...straightaway deduct 25% for tax (if no imputation) is expensive.
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Then go join election and nominate yourself as MP lah, as first step to get that abolished.
Anyway, I think Malaysia already the last few countries to implement this system liao, don't complaint much. Sometime we should thank our government for implementing this late tongue.gif
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Then go join election and nominate yourself as MP lah, as first step to get that abolished.
Anyway, I think Malaysia already the last few countries to implement this system liao, don't complaint much. Sometime we should thank our government for implementing this late tongue.gif
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I don't see any benefit of this change to the rakyat. The only benefit is there is less work in tax administration. But I am of the view that any savings in the tax admin should not be at the expense of the rakyat paying higher tax (or not being able to claim back the tax credits).
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Hi all,

Please bear with me as I am new to the world of stock exchange.

My basic question is what should one do with your stocks?

My remisier's answer is sell at higher price than I buy and make profit. To me that sounds like a gold prospector/speculator rather than as a true investor.

Now to explain my train of thoughts:

I am having a regular source of income (as in having a regular 9-5 job).

I have extra saving by not spending more than I earn.

I used to put my money in FD.

I realized that money in FD was very lazy... it is giving me lousy returns that will not beat inflation.

I have been buying dividend yielding counters hoping that they will give me better Rate of return than FD, I am targeting a conservative yield of 8 - 10%. I am not speculative, but I rather buy them small pieces at a time with the amount I am comfortable with (based on my budget)

I want to keep these dividend yielding counters as part of my retirement plan, hoping that they will give a source of income after I am unable to work anymore.

However, my remisier thinks that my plan is a joke. He cannot understand why I want to keep the stocks when I can make a profit during a bull run.

I cannot understand why I must do like he said.

I hope to hear from second, third or fourth opinions.

Thanks.

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Hi all,

Please bear with me as I am new to the world of stock exchange.

My basic question is what should one do with your stocks?

My remisier's answer is sell at higher price than I buy and make profit. To me that sounds like a gold prospector/speculator rather than as a true investor.

Now to explain my train of thoughts:

I am having a regular source of income (as in having a regular 9-5 job).

I have extra saving by not spending more than I earn.

I used to put my money in FD.

I realized that money in FD was very lazy... it is giving me lousy returns that will not beat inflation.

I have been buying dividend yielding counters hoping that they will give me better Rate of return than FD, I am targeting a conservative yield of 8 - 10%. I am not speculative, but I rather buy them small pieces at a time with the amount I am comfortable with (based on my budget)

I want to keep these dividend yielding counters as part of my retirement plan, hoping that they will give a source of income after I am unable to work anymore.

However, my remisier thinks that my plan is a joke. He cannot understand why I want to keep the stocks when I can make a profit during a bull run.

I cannot understand why I must do like he said.

I hope to hear from second, third or fourth opinions.

Thanks.

Xuzen
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QUOTE(xuzen @ Nov 21 2008, 02:17 PM)
Hi all,

Please bear with me as I am new to the world of stock exchange.

My basic question is what should one do with your stocks?

My remisier's answer is sell at higher price than I buy and make profit. To me that sounds like a gold prospector/speculator rather than as a true investor.

Now to explain my train of thoughts:

I am having a regular source of income (as in having a regular 9-5 job).

I have extra saving by not spending more than I earn.

I used to put my money in FD.

I realized that money in FD was very lazy... it is giving me lousy returns that will not beat inflation.

I have been buying dividend yielding counters hoping that they will give me better Rate of return than FD, I am targeting a conservative yield of 8 - 10%. I am not speculative, but I rather buy them small pieces at a time with the amount I am comfortable with (based on my budget)

I want to keep these dividend yielding counters as part of my retirement plan, hoping that they will give a source of income after I am unable to work anymore.

However, my remisier thinks that my plan is a joke. He cannot understand why I want to keep the stocks when I can make a profit during a bull run.

I cannot understand why I must do like he said.

I hope to hear from second, third or fourth opinions.

Thanks.

Xuzen
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You don't need to follow others' saying, it is your hard-earned money, you are the one decide what to do with it.

Yes, you can ride on some good stocks over the long term, even earn dividend alone is more than 2x of your FD.

But do remember this is on good fundamental stock only. It doesn't apply to all stocks.

Surely remisier doesn't wish to see you buy and keep it long term or forever, as they need you to buy and sell constantly to earn commission out from it. No offence and disrespect to remisier, just remisier shouldn't ask client to buy or sell in the first place, it is individual decision.
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Actually, if you sell at rally and buy when it dips, you'll make more money too... but, you need to monitor lar.

Else, steady cruising with the dividend stocks will be good too. It's just something that you do for extra money and profit taking when it gets too high.
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No worries..... Good fundamental stocks can keep u sleep sound at night smile.gif
u ask back ur remisier: How much did u actually earn from the market then? tongue.gif
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You buy, you sell, he earn commission mah; you buy once in a blue moon how can he make his living. Your rationale might be perfectly all right, but make sure you got those good one. Good luck. tongue.gif

I intend to buy regularly, but of course not as regular as those speculators.

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Actually, if you sell at rally and buy when it dips, you'll make more money too... but, you need to monitor lar.

Else, steady cruising with the dividend stocks will be good too. It's just something that you do for extra money and profit taking when it gets too high.

Yeah, will KIV during the bull run period. But I don't see it happening in the near future... maybe late 2009 or 2010. I think now is a good time for bargain hunting. 12 months of bargain hunting/sale period... better than our Malaysian Mega Sales eh, which only last one month?

I guess I see myself as the tortoise rather than the hare. Strutting along leisurely along the road called life. Picking up my "rezeki" along the way, using it prudently and whatever is left once I reached the finish line (aka death) I'll give to my next of kin or charity which ever need it more, since I cannot bring it along to my grave.

Sorry for my rambling... biz is slow these days.

P/S So far I have in my portfolio: Tanjong, Carlsbg, Guiness, Amway, Toto, a little bit of here and there.

Xuzen

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QUOTE(xuzen @ Nov 21 2008, 03:33 PM)
I intend to buy regularly, but of course not as regular as those speculators.
Yeah, will KIV during the bull run period. But I don't see it happening in the near future... maybe late 2009 or 2010. I think now is a good time for bargain hunting. 12 months for of bargain hunting/sale period... better than Malaysian Mega Sales eh?

I guess I see myself as the tortoise rather than the hare. Strutting along leisurely along the road called life. Picking up my "rezeki" along the way, using it prudently and whatever is left once I reached the finish line (aka death) I give to my next of kin or charity which ever need it more since I cannot bring it along.

Sorry for my rambling... biz is slow these days.

P/S So far I have in my portfolio: Tanjong, Carlsbg, Guiness, Amway, Toto, a little bit of here and there.

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Those kind of stocks don't move much either most of the time.
Once bought can go to sleep and every 6 months waiting for dividend only.

Yup, don't need to KIV too tightly if not intended to speculate in the first place especially with your portfolio. 9-5 job is the one should be KIV on, not stock market.

You only KIV tightly for those speculationa and goreng stuff which you not intended to keep it in the first place for long term.

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I intend to buy regularly, but of course not as regular as those speculators.
Yeah, will KIV during the bull run period. But I don't see it happening in the near future... maybe late 2009 or 2010. I think now is a good time for bargain hunting. 12 months of bargain hunting/sale period... better than our Malaysian Mega Sales eh, which only last one month?

I guess I see myself as the tortoise rather than the hare. Strutting along leisurely along the road called life. Picking up my "rezeki" along the way, using it prudently and whatever is left once I reached the finish line (aka death) I'll give to my next of kin or charity which ever need it more, since I cannot bring it along to my grave.

Sorry for my rambling... biz is slow these days.

P/S So far I have in my portfolio: Tanjong, Carlsbg, Guiness, Amway, Toto, a little bit of here and there.

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Your portfolio is kind of stable companies, so risk is generally low. If you can continue your investment for a long time, you are going to get richer. But again, get some cash for standby is always good, I don't think you want to part with some of your portfolio if you need some cash suddenly. blush.gif
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Your portfolio is kind of stable companies, so risk is generally low. If you can continue your investment for a long time, you are going to get richer. But again, get some cash for standby is always good, I don't think you want to part with some of your portfolio if you need some cash suddenly. blush.gif
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Understood... cash in FD/Savings targeted at 3 to 6 mths of take home pay equivalent.

If you experienced people have anymore stable high dividend yielding counter to suggest please feel free to put it here or PM me. Thanks.

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QUOTE(xuzen @ Nov 21 2008, 04:09 PM)
Understood... cash in FD/Savings targeted at 3 to 6 mths of take home pay equivalent.

If you experienced people have anymore stable high dividend yielding counter to suggest please feel free to put it here or PM me. Thanks.

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I might not experienced also.
You already have all the sin stocks liao. Then mah as well get more sins when they are low, licensed ah long like PBB or MBB (less preferred) or cancer spreader like BAT or JT. tongue.gif
Infrastructure play also not bad, PLUS, YTL Power etc.

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I might not experienced also.
You already have all the sin stocks liao. Then mah as well get more sins when they are low, licensed ah long like PBB or MBB (less preferred) or cancer spreader like BAT or JT.  tongue.gif
Infrastructure play also not bad, PLUS, YTL Power etc.
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So far I have a simple screening plan... I select stocks that have PE btw 10 - 15 and DY above 8%. From this short list, only then will I zoom in to study the individual stocks. Its past history, accounting ratios etc...

P/S Chemical Company Malaysia (CCM) looks good to me, and if CI hits 700 or below, I am going in to grab Bursa share especially if it falls to RM 4.50 below.

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So far I have a simple screening plan... I select stocks that have PE btw 10 - 15 and DY above 8%. From this short list, only then will I zoom in to study the individual stocks. Its past history, accounting ratios etc...

P/S Chemical Company Malaysia (CCM) looks good to me, and if CI hits 700 or below, I am going in to grab Bursa share especially if it falls to RM 4.50 below.

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I think you actually done quite some homework as I see there are not short of other stocks which fulfill your criteria but your list are made of blue chips.
Bursa is cash cow company as well, but don't expect them to be very successful as compare to other bourse. Good luck to you. rclxms.gif
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If I send a buy order for queuing.
Then during trading time, market falls like hell. I quickly decide not to buy.
Can I cancel the queue order?

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If I send a buy order for queuing.
Then during trading time, market falls like hell. I quickly decide not to buy.
Can I cancel the queue order?
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I think you actually done quite some homework as I see there are not short of other stocks which fulfill your criteria but your list are made of blue chips.
Bursa is cash cow company as well, but don't expect them to be very successful as compare to other bourse. Good luck to you. rclxms.gif
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I think currently many company have low PE and high DY is b' coz of the bearish conditions, if the situation was during bull run, I think not many counters would be so delicious. PE would be in their 15 -20 I guess.

That is why I said, for the next 12 months it shall be Mega Sales at KLSE Bursa.

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I think currently many company have low PE and high DY is b' coz of the bearish conditions, if the situation was during bull run, I think not many counters would be so delicious. PE would be in their 15 -20 I guess.

That is why I said, for the next 12 months it shall be Mega Sales at KLSE Bursa.

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But do remember some PE trap as well.

Some stocks even drop more than 50%, doesn't mean it is cheap. It is same with PE, as PE is based on last year earning data, if the company earning will be severely affected by the down turn, then those low PE is meaningless and doesn't tell you the real picture.

Just like oil company, now a lot of their PE, or share price could be selling a single digit or 5-8 PE ratio only, but doesn't mean it is cheap. As previous earning come from USD140 oil price, if oil price continue to slide, their future earning will be at least cut into 30% or half, so the coming PE would be teen number at current stock price.
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But do remember some PE trap as well.

Some stocks even drop more than 50%, doesn't mean it is cheap. It is same with PE, as PE is based on last year earning data, if the company earning will be severely affected by the down turn, then those low PE is meaningless and doesn't tell you the real picture.

Just like oil company, now a lot of their PE, or share price could be selling a single digit or 5-8 PE ratio only, but doesn't mean it is cheap. As previous earning come from USD140 oil price, if oil price continue to slide, their future earning will be at least cut into 30% or half, so the coming PE would be teen number at current stock price.
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Thank you for the reminder Cherroy.

That is why I have another safety net, its historical DY must be better than FD. At least if its share prices slide lower, you can rest in comfort that you can gain some dividend.

I also know that these ratios serves mainly as a screening tool and it does not completely over rule personal judgment, experience with the company etc (you know the human touch)

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Hi all, JTinter.. when's the ex-date for their dividend? I saw yahoo listing it at 0.30. I can't seem to find any announcement of it. Thank you.
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Those kind of stocks don't move much either most of the time.
Once bought can go to sleep and every 6 months waiting for dividend only.

Yup, don't need to KIV too tightly if not intended to speculate in the first place especially with your portfolio. 9-5 job is the one should be KIV on, not stock market.

You only KIV tightly for those speculationa and goreng stuff which you not intended to keep it in the first place for long term.
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Hey people,

I got a new question. This is regarding AGM. If I have like 100 shares in Nestle and another person has 10,000 units in Nestle.

When it comes to voting, is it like I have 100 votes and the other person has 10,000 votes?

How does the shareholder vote work?

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Hey people,

I got a new question. This is regarding AGM. If I have like 100 shares in Nestle and another person has 10,000 units in Nestle.

When it comes to voting, is it like I have 100 votes and the other person has 10,000 votes?

How does the shareholder vote work?

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There are 2 types,
1. Show hand one to simply pass the resolution. If major shareholder loss out, then
2. Count by share using the form.

Big one always win.

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Hey people,

I got a new question. This is regarding AGM. If I have like 100 shares in Nestle and another person has 10,000 units in Nestle.

When it comes to voting, is it like I have 100 votes and the other person has 10,000 votes?

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So a minority shareholder usually has no major say and is there mainly for food and wine/orange juice only yes?.....

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So a minority shareholder usually has no major say and is there mainly for food and wine/orange juice only yes?.....

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You can raise tough questions for them to answer, then they will give you extra umbrella or pen holder or radio to keep your mouth shut. rclxms.gif
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Hmmm... if I raise enough tough question at the next GAB AGM, maybe they will give me a ctn of Guiness Draft. He he he

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Hmmm... if I raise enough tough question at the next GAB AGM, maybe they will give me a ctn of Guiness Draft. He he he

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You bought a lot of Citi shares yesterday.

You have been eyeing on Citi for quite some time hmm.gif

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OT.

You bought a lot of Citi shares yesterday.

You have been eyeing on Citi for quite some time  hmm.gif
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Hello fellow investors,

Another newbie question:

Does one need to declare to the IRB our profit generated from Equities trading?

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Hello fellow investors,

Another newbie question:

Does one need to declare to the IRB our profit generated from Equities trading?

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Some of the dividend yes. That's revenue gain.

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i would like to ask if i pick up a share , i have to pay broker fee. but , after that i sell the share, i need to pay broker fee again ? thanks

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i would like to ask if i pick up a share , i have to pay broker fee. but , after that i sell the share, i need to pay broker fee again ? thanks
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i would like to ask if i pick up a share , i have to pay broker fee. but , after that i sell the share, i need to pay broker fee again ? thanks
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0.75% for buying; 0.75% for selling if done through a remisier/brokern (well the remisier has to feed his family as well).

Therefore to obtain capital gain, you have to make sure your counter move above 1.5%.

Personally, I have a simple formula... I will hold until my capital gain is more that the [Brokerage fee + DY + FD interest over time].

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i've just downloaded a trading acc form online...and i see a field called collateral offered...and i wonder what is it?
does anyone know about it?

and i'm interested to have a direct trading acc instead of nominee acc..
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i've just downloaded a trading acc form online...and i see a field called collateral offered...and i wonder what is it?
does anyone know about it?

and i'm interested to have a direct trading acc instead of nominee acc..
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For online trading accounts,this is the norm,but there are exceptions:

1.you need to deposit cash into trust account to get trading limits,or

2.you must transfer some of your existing shares into the nominee cds account as collaterals ,

3.online trading accounts opened directly with Participating organisations(PO) usually are not serviced by Remisiers,as the Po does not have to share the commission with the Remisiers,they can afford to slash the comm rate but you will not get personalised service as compare to trading through a Remisier.As the PO does not know your credit standing,they will not extend you any credit terms so you are required to place cash upfront or shares in nominee cds as collaterals.



So,you choose the kind of service that meet your need most.
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Which share will you buy?

AAA: Price $2.00, EPS $0.50, Div $0.30, P/E = 4.0, Div Yield = 15.0%
BBB: Price $0.90, EPS $0.20, Div $0.15, P/E = 4.5, Div Yield = 16.7%

Assume you have $10,000.

Buy AAA 50 lots. Cost $10,000. Div received = $0.30 x 5000 shares = $1,500
Buy BBB 111 lots. Cost $9,990. Div received = $0.15 x 11,100 shares = $1,665

Would you buy AAA because of lower P/E? Or would you buy BBB because of higher dividend? Why?
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Any Sifu can roughly teach me how function in the culculation of EPS,PE,DY to know whether the stock is good or bad?

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I am no sifu, but only judge stocks base on the 3 ratios is dangerous, you should looking into the prospect of the company, long term stability (viable or not), share price pattern, board of directors etc.
EPS = earning per share, higher better, that's how much the company earn per share. But not all the earning will convert to cash to shareholders. EPS = Profit/No. of share
PE = years take for the company to recover its market value aka Market Share Price/ EPS. The lower the better. Subject to manipulation, same case like EPS because that's derive from EPS basically.
DY = Dividend yield. Similar to interest rate, that's cash flow shareholder can receive from their share of company profit. Prefer to be read together with company cash flow, cash position, profit, prospect for clearer picture. DY = Dividend per share/ Market price per share.
Just my 2 cents.

I think that will be good if you name your target for sifus to comment tongue.gif Ride on their experiences while learning in the process cool2.gif

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Lol.actually im just a newbie and student who want to know more about stock trading and market before im really get involve in it.
How about short term stock trading work?
And is there any technique beside this 3 ratio to culculate and do homework in the company background?

Thank htt =D
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Lol.actually im just a newbie and student who want to know more about stock trading and market before im really get involve in it.
How about short term stock trading work?
And is there any technique beside this 3 ratio to culculate and do homework in the company background?

Thank htt =D
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Buy low sell high earn the difference. But there must be someone who do the opposite way also tongue.gif That's cruel but that's how the market works. shocking.gif

There are chartist who study and come out with all type of theories but I know none of it. Fundamentalist will go dig inside their account to determine what's their real value, that will require a lot of works with all kind of assumptions (they have their own model also, DCF, DVM, NRV etc....).

Most of the investors goes by gut feeling + observation of trend over years + rumors + news published. To start always good to start reading finance section in news paper, or get some reference books from library (I never go there, don't know have or not tongue.gif ).
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For online trading accounts,this is the norm,but there are exceptions:

1.you need to deposit cash into trust account to get trading limits,or

2.you must transfer some of your existing shares into the nominee cds account as collaterals ,

3.online trading accounts opened directly with Participating organisations(PO) usually are not serviced by Remisiers,as the  Po does not have to share the commission with the Remisiers,they can afford to slash the comm rate but you will not get personalised service as compare to trading through a Remisier.As the PO does not know your credit standing,they will not extend you any credit terms so you are required to place cash upfront or shares in nominee cds as collaterals.
So,you choose the kind of service that meet your need most.
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trading limit? is set by us ? or according to the regulation given?
the minimum for the deposit is RM 1000. Is it correct?
And once we have a trading acc and cds acc, and lets say i bought some shares with the cash inside my acc...will the amount of money inside the trading acc updated just like our saving acc??

i'm newbie to this...

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If:

EX-date : 26/12/2008
Entitlement date : 31/12/2008
Entitlement time : 05:00:00 PM

If I bought on 28/12/2008, will it count for the dividend?
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If:

EX-date : 26/12/2008 
Entitlement date : 31/12/2008 
Entitlement time : 05:00:00 PM 

If I bought on 28/12/2008, will it count for the dividend?
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QUOTE(Irzani @ Dec 4 2008, 02:02 AM)
If:

EX-date : 26/12/2008 
Entitlement date : 31/12/2008 
Entitlement time : 05:00:00 PM 

If I bought on 28/12/2008, will it count for the dividend?
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To add a point, a simplicity way,
you must buy before ex-date to entitle the dividend, ie the last date you should buy (to entitle the dividend) is 25/12/2008
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QUOTE(simplesmile @ Dec 2 2008, 10:12 PM)
Which share will you buy?

AAA: Price $2.00, EPS $0.50, Div $0.30, P/E = 4.0, Div Yield = 15.0%
BBB: Price $0.90, EPS $0.20, Div $0.15, P/E = 4.5, Div Yield = 16.7%

Assume you have $10,000.

Buy AAA 50 lots. Cost $10,000. Div received = $0.30 x 5000 shares = $1,500
Buy BBB 111 lots. Cost $9,990. Div received = $0.15 x 11,100 shares = $1,665

Would you buy AAA because of lower P/E? Or would you buy BBB because of higher dividend? Why?
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Nope, stock market is about future prospect of the company. If AAA earning is going to drop significantly, future PE will sky-rocket, which it is not cheap at all.

Same with BBB, if future company earning is not able to sustain dividend yield, then its share will plunge to match those lower future dividend.

Can't make much conclusion out of it. It is much more complex, as what stock market concern the most is the future, not the past. That's why you see stock market around the world plunge severely because of anticipation of economy recession.

QUOTE(Yithoe @ Dec 3 2008, 11:22 AM)
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For fundamental analysis, it is much more complex than that, but those are good way to start with.
You can google around, there are lot of information around the forum.

Cheers.
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trading limit? is set by us ? or according to the regulation given?
the minimum for the deposit is RM 1000. Is it correct?
And once we have a trading acc and cds acc, and lets say i bought some shares with the cash inside my acc...will the amount of money inside the trading acc updated just like our saving acc??

i'm newbie to this...
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~Trading limits are set by broking firm based on your credit standings,

~Minimum deposit varies from one broking firm to another,

~Shares bought and sold ,in addition to the normal contract notes for each transaction,will be shown in your monthly statement of account from broker,

~money movements will be shown in the monthly statement of account from broker,

~you will also received a statement from Bursa Depositories Sdn bhd for your share movements,monthly if there is transaction and semi-annually if there is no transactions.(If your cds is nominee a/c ,this statement will be sent to your broker's office,not directly to you.)
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what is

Order Type
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2. Market

lower limit and upper limit

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To add a point, a simplicity way,
you must buy before ex-date to entitle the dividend, ie the last date you should buy (to entitle the dividend) is 25/12/2008
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Thanks Mr Cherroy, anyway what is the point to put the Entitlement date : 31/12/2008? Knowledge .. knowledge .. thumbup.gif

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Thanks Mr Cherroy, anyway what is the point to put the Entitlement date : 31/12/2008? Knowledge .. knowledge ..  thumbup.gif
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Actually when company registrar looking for shareholders for dividend distribution time, they willl take the entitlement date to determine the identity of the shareholders, that's why it called entitlement date.

But, when you bought your share in the market, the share is not immediately transfer into your CDS, just like previous example, 26/12 is the ex-date, so if you bought at 25/12 that entitled for the dividend but the share won't be transfer into your CDS directly on that date, it takes about 2 days time to be completed, so in order to be the share being completed to transfer into your CDS (for company registrar to identify you for the dividend), then ex-date being created which is the last date which able for the share transfer completion.

As KLSE is the place only the share being traded, so we look for ex-date only, we don't care about the entitlement date as those are automated process under CDS already or being handled by KLSE clearing centre.
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QUOTE(aoisky @ Dec 4 2008, 05:22 PM)
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1. Limit
2. Market

lower limit and upper limit
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1. Limit - price you're willing to sell or buy
2. Market - what ever market price that was submitted to buy or sell.

No sure what's lower limit or upper limit there.. it depends on your trading tools.

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i would like to know how someone invest in stock until bankrupt ? if the stock keep going down, he can keep it until the price up, why can be bankrupt ?
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i would like to know how someone invest in stock until bankrupt ? if the stock keep going down, he can keep it until the price up, why can be bankrupt ?
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Simple coz some ppl greed then loan $ from financial institution to buy stock. when economic down / stock they bought not performing well for longer period, na then u n gain $ but dun 4get u hv 2 pay ur loan interest. some ppl cant wait till price up coz the interest will go high up to the sky the no choice but to sale. for wait until the stock price up, some stock after goes down will never goes up for sometimes; human behavior ma 'tak sabar' if these ppl can tahan sabar then thy would play stock trading 2 gain fast $. some listed comp go private leh n alot of factor la....

as i know may b .... i m i right sifooo? coz i oso new in both stcok trade n lowyat forum.


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In simple word, those ppls that using margin to purchase stocks are easier to bankrupt.
Dun ever to borrow money more than you can handle to do stock trading.
Else risking in getting margin call from your broker.
If you can't refill those losses from your stock investment even after clearing all your assets, then you will be declared bankrupt. cool2.gif
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If I send a buy order for queuing.
Then during trading time, market falls like hell. I quickly decide not to buy.
Can I cancel the queue order?
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blush.gif just wanna ask bout this queuing thingy..means u tell ur broker at wat price to buy? i dun get wat this queuing thingy is all about * newbie x5 icon_question.gif
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QUOTE(Sh@rty 5 @ Dec 7 2008, 09:53 PM)
blush.gif just wanna ask bout this queuing thingy..means u tell ur broker at wat price to buy? i dun get wat this queuing thingy is all about * newbie x5 icon_question.gif
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When you want to buy stocks, you have to queue. If there is a matching seller, then you will get the stocks at the price you quoted...... smile.gif

Say a counter is priced at RM2.50 at that moment in time....

There will be people queuing at RM2.50, some higher at RM2.55 and some lower at RM 2.45 or RM2.40..... Those that queue at higher prices will usually get it first as sellers would want to sell their shares at a higher price.... if you queue very low e.g. at RM2.30, there might not be any sellers willing to sell the stock at that price, so you won't get that stock....

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QUOTE(dreams_achiever @ Dec 7 2008, 01:37 PM)
In simple word, those ppls that using margin to purchase stocks are easier to bankrupt.
Dun ever to borrow money more than you can handle to do stock trading.
Else risking in getting margin call from your broker.
If you can't refill those losses from your stock investment even after clearing all your assets, then you will be declared bankrupt.  cool2.gif
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as i know most of the ppl using their own hard earn money to buy stock (as wat we all the forumer did), they use up all their money/fund to average down their stock, but when come to emergency they need $$ and this is why there need to sell off their share even they are lost. this ppl may lost few years to 10 years and above of their hard earn money in just few months time. they not yet bankrupt in law, but already mentally bankrupt. rclxub.gif icon_question.gif So becareful. rolleyes.gif

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well i hv a question here, as I buy I put the best buy price and get the quantity, transaction done.

I still dun understand these joker roles wat is their purpose sale 1 lot?
with only 1 lot can they speculate the share price?

as a newbie n small trader here I havent encounter partially match situation.
If I sale 50 lots which is 2 best sale price got 1 lot match only, transaction done or not ?

read some where around here someone mention it done 1 lot sale success if i m not mistaken.

pl advise.
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oh, this meant we cant sell our shares anytime? must see got buyer or not
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oh, this meant we cant sell our shares anytime? must see got buyer or not
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yala trade must have buy/sell ma. if one sided how can a trade be made.

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QUOTE(aoisky @ Dec 7 2008, 11:23 PM)
well i hv a question here, as I buy I put the best buy price and get the quantity, transaction done.

I still dun understand these joker roles wat is their purpose sale 1 lot?
with only 1 lot can they speculate the share price?

as a newbie n small trader here I havent encounter partially match situation.
If I sale 50 lots which is 2 best sale price got 1 lot match only, transaction done or not ?

read some where around here someone mention it done 1 lot sale success if i m not mistaken.

pl advise.
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Should be done 1 lot. But not sure about your actual question or situation, your statement is not clear.

You want to buy/sell 100 lots, you can do it via 1 lot x 100 (transaction) which is the same with 100 lots x 1 (transaction), commission rate is the same, as contract will be set up per day basic per counter.

1 lot sometimes people done it for rounding up their trade, just like you have done 99 lots so people tend to get another 1 for rounding up figure.

But there are some jokers around, that purposely jack up the price with 1 lot transaction in the low liquidity stock.



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QUOTE(cherroy @ Dec 8 2008, 10:58 AM)
Should be done 1 lot. But not sure about your actual question or situation, your statement is not clear.

You want to buy/sell 100 lots, you can do it via 1 lot x 100 (transaction) which is the same with 100 lots x 1 (transaction), commission rate is the same, as contract will be set up per day basic per counter.

1 lot sometimes people done it for rounding up their trade, just like you have done 99 lots so people tend to get another 1 for rounding up figure.

But there are some jokers around, that purposely jack up the price with 1 lot transaction in the low liquidity stock.
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I c my statement not clear r. okay nvr mind appreciate ur reply mr cherroy.

if like that i will loss lo bcoz 1 lot share not much ma but brokerage fee min ored 28.
like that better cancel order right?

1 lot to round up their trade? worth meh? I cant imagine if they buy 51 to round up their trade to 150 still okay la but why 1lot?

obviously still blurx2 with stock trading, 1 lot can jack up the price? can provide a situation r?

erm btw the bold sentence what do u mean? it doesnt look the same to me

pl advise,

cheers.........

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QUOTE(aoisky @ Dec 8 2008, 11:07 AM)
I c my statement not clear r. okay nvr mind appreciate ur reply mr cherroy.

if like that i will loss lo bcoz 1 lot share not much ma but brokerage fee min ored 28.
like that better cancel order right?

1 lot to round up their trade? worth meh? I cant imagine if they buy 51 to round up their trade to 150 still okay la but why 1lot?

obviously still blurx2 with stock trading, 1 lot can jack up the price? can provide a situation r?

erm btw the bold sentence what do u mean? it doesnt look the same to me

pl advise,

cheers.........
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It is the same, you done totally of 100 lots in both transaction, and your transaction contract will be listed at 100 lots disregard you buy 1 times x 100 lots , or 2 times x 50 lots or 100 times x 1 lots, it is still under 1 contract only (so only 1 min charges) if you buy at the within the same day.

Yes, don't trade only 1 lot (per contract if the amount is small) as min commission will be eating or compromised very significantly sum already.
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QUOTE(cherroy @ Dec 8 2008, 12:07 PM)
It is the same, you done totally of 100 lots in both transaction, and your transaction contract will be listed at 100 lots disregard you buy 1 times x 100 lots , or 2 times x 50 lots or 100 times x 1 lots, it is still under 1 contract only (so only 1 min charges) if you buy at the within the same day.

Yes, don't trade only 1 lot (per contract if the amount is small) as min commission will be eating or compromised very significantly sum already.
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okay just to make sure,

is that mean in one whole day I can trade (buy/sale) an abc share 2 or 3 time that only be charged with 1 single receipt by my broker?

let say morning buy 50lots, afternoon session buy another 50lots at the end of the days, my broker only charge rm 28 + stamp duty (100lots) + clearing fee (100lots)?

or my broker will charge me rm 48 (28 for 1st 50lots + 28 for 2nd 50lots)

this is new for me as my broker never tell me this?

another doubt for me is what if morning i buy 50 lots @ 0.50 n a'noon 50 lots @ 0.30;
pl. check if my calculation correct or not?

total need to pay= rm 4000 + rm 28 + (4000 x 0.03) + 4
= 4000 + 28 + 1.2 + 4

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QUOTE(aoisky @ Dec 8 2008, 12:43 PM)
okay just to make sure,

is that mean in one whole day I can trade (buy/sale) an abc share 2 or 3 time that only be charged with 1 single receipt by my broker?

let say morning buy 50lots, afternoon session buy another 50lots at the end of the days, my broker only charge rm 28 + stamp duty (100lots) + clearing fee (100lots)?

or my broker will charge me rm 48 (28 for 1st 50lots + 28 for 2nd 50lots)

this is new for me as my broker never tell me this?

another doubt for me is what if morning i buy 50 lots @ 0.50 n a'noon 50 lots @ 0.30;
pl. check if my calculation correct or not?

total need to pay= rm 4000 + rm 28 + (4000 x 0.03) + 4
                        = 4000 + 28 + 1.2 + 4
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Yes.


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I am new into stock market.How to apply to buy from stock market?If i have Rm5000 and i want to buy a A share now is Rm1.How many lot i can buy?1 lot is how much share.Sorry,i am very new to stock market.Hope u guys can help me.TQ
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1 lot = 1000 unit
So RM5k can get 5 lot
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1 lot = 1000 unit
So RM5k can get 5 lot
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That is the old rules.
The new regulations is

1 lot - 100 units/shares
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I am new into stock market.How to apply to buy from stock market?If i have Rm5000 and i want to buy a A share now is Rm1.How many lot i can buy?1 lot is how much share.Sorry,i am very new to stock market.Hope u guys can help me.TQ
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welcome. nice 2 meet u! icon_rolleyes.gif

u can visit www.paconline.com.my to open a trading account smile.gif

with RM5000++, u can buy sime darby or maybank to keep fo long term (let said for 3 years from now). laugh.gif

keep in touch and willing to help u! thumbup.gif notworthy.gif

everyone in good mood (election, window dressing, dj, etc.) market will up as i expected last weeks. rclxm9.gif

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i have about 7k to invest. i am a risk taker, and i want highest ROI in a short term investment. please comment on which type of investment is the best for me. where to get it. buy from where. give site links. also, i am willing to spend time to look at shares.
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QUOTE(illidanleong @ Dec 9 2008, 03:59 PM)
i have about 7k to invest. i am a risk taker, and i want highest ROI in a short term investment. please comment on which type of investment is the best for me. where to get it. buy from where. give site links. also, i am willing to spend time to look at shares.
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Go and get tips from your remisier or you can try the counter below:

1. KNM
2. HUAAN
3. RAMUNIA
4. SCOMI
5. LANDMRK
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Don need to open so many topic
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QUOTE(darkknight81 @ Dec 9 2008, 03:01 PM)
Go and get tips from your remisier or you can try the counter below:

1. KNM
2. HUAAN
3. RAMUNIA
4. SCOMI
5. LANDMRK
...

Don need to open so many topic
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i dont have a remiser. i am still studying lar...
btw, wad are the counters? do u hav the link or sometin to further eleborate?
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i dont have a remiser. i am still studying lar...
btw, wad are the counters? do u hav the link or sometin to further eleborate?
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u new r in stock trading
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i dont have a remiser. i am still studying lar...
btw, wad are the counters? do u hav the link or sometin to further eleborate?
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Go read some articles before asking so many stupid question here doh.gif
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u new r in stock trading
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yes i am. i plan to be maximise my investment during my studies. so when i graduate i can open my own company.


i only learned from a university subject called financial institutions and capital, money markets.

any comments to how to get highest return on investment at a short period of time? i plan to reinvest my money.

btw, is short term or long term investment better?


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Go read some articles before asking so many stupid question here  doh.gif
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if i know then i wouldnt ask...

pls recomment some cites that i can refer to and learn about investments.

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QUOTE(illidanleong @ Dec 9 2008, 03:10 PM)
yes i am. i plan to be maximise my investment during my studies. so when i graduate i can open my own company.
i only learned from a university subject called financial institutions and capital, money markets.

any comments to how to get highest return on investment at a short period of time? i plan to reinvest my money.

btw, is short term or long term investment better?
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If you want high risk investment, be prepared to lose your initial capital as well.

Intended to maximising your investment or return rate can lead one lose all together as well rather than gain anything.
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QUOTE(cherroy @ Dec 9 2008, 03:13 PM)
If you want high risk investment, be prepared to lose your initial capital as well.

Intended to maximising your investment or return rate can lead one lose all together as well rather than gain anything.
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i am willing to lose every single cent. i just want to know what type of investment gives highest ROI.

and where to get it. where to learn more about it. give me links and sites.

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QUOTE(illidanleong @ Dec 9 2008, 03:10 PM)
yes i am. i plan to be maximise my investment during my studies. so when i graduate i can open my own company.
i only learned from a university subject called financial institutions and capital, money markets.

any comments to how to get highest return on investment at a short period of time? i plan to reinvest my money.

btw, is short term or long term investment better?
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wow sound ambitious. eh I m also new here.
but I think u better not to ask so many spoon feed question or else those sifu will blast u. haha.

but never mind la v from nothing to something. actly I learn stock from here, lots question like wat u r asking can b founded here.
well u r studying financial then u shld knows better than me. but U shld start from doin research 1st. still study dont use all of ur money.

when u plan to play / invest in stock u shld be well prepared to loss $. no guarantee untung 1. of course here is the place where u can earn fast $ oso

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No one blast anyone, just one must be realistic.

There is no such thing of maximising your return rate, (the sky is limit) if keep on thinking on it (how to maximise your return or gain), then 99% people can assure that you are maximising your loss only.

Greed is the ultimate enemy of investment.

Current global financial crisis root problem is greed.


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QUOTE(aoisky @ Dec 9 2008, 03:20 PM)
wow sound ambitious. eh I m also new here.
but I think u better not to ask so many spoon feed question or else those sifu will blast u. haha.

but never mind la v from nothing to something. actly I learn stock from here, lots question like wat u r asking can b founded here.
well u r studying financial then u shld knows better than me. but U shld start from doin research 1st. still study dont use all of ur money.

when u plan to play / invest in stock u shld be well prepared to loss $. no guarantee untung 1. of course here is the place where u can earn fast $ oso
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i have the theoretical knowledge about some investment types of shares, futures, options, foreign exchange unit trust.

some investment types i have not learned or am not notified about, but i am willing to learn.

my basic question is i really want to know which type gives the highest ROI (if i invest RM1 at that investment type, it gives the highest percentage of return compared to other types of investment)??
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QUOTE(cherroy @ Dec 9 2008, 03:35 PM)
No one blast anyone, just one must be realistic.

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oops i refer some only. not u offcoz, so far u r the kindness sifoo around ...
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i am willing to lose every single cent. i just want to know what type of investment gives highest ROI.

and where to get it. where to learn more about it. give me links and sites.
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My suggestion,
Go to buy big sweep or Toto, Rm 1 or 2 can win ten of millions, fullfill your requirement of maximisation of return rate while can lose every single cent (not kena, then loss all).

Your requirement being matched! tongue.gif biggrin.gif

7K is not money meh? why want to lose every single cent of it?

It is those tiny bit and then accumulated that make one rich, no one is rich or wealthy overnight.
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QUOTE(cherroy @ Dec 9 2008, 03:35 PM)
No one blast anyone, just one must be realistic.

There is no such thing of maximising your return rate, (the sky is limit) if keep on thinking on it (how to maximise your return or gain), then 99% people can assure that you are maximising your loss only.

Greed is the ultimate enemy of investment.

Current global financial crisis root problem is greed.
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LOL. then y are u here if u are not greedy???

every1 here wants to learn how to invest and see how people invest.

but what is that for?? so that they can invest next time.

my conscience overcede my greed, if not i would have rob banks...

btw, pls answer my questions, not critise or create questions out of questions.

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QUOTE(illidanleong @ Dec 9 2008, 03:36 PM)
i have the theoretical knowledge about some investment types of  shares, futures, options, foreign exchange unit trust.

some investment types i have not learned or am not notified about, but i am willing to learn.

my basic question is i really want to know which type gives the highest ROI (if i invest RM1 at that investment type, it gives the highest percentage of return compared to other types of investment)??
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theory alone not enough, when it come to practical it will be different story. even experience trader also loss $$$.
but I think u shld patient and dont aiming so high 1st. for ur question, what do u think mr. cherroy?
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QUOTE(cherroy @ Dec 9 2008, 03:40 PM)
My suggestion,
Go to buy big sweep or Toto, Rm 1 or 2 can win ten of millions, fullfill your requirement of maximisation of return rate while can lose every single cent (not kena, then loss all).

Your requirement being matched!  tongue.gif  biggrin.gif

7K is not money meh? why want to lose every single cent of it?

It is those tiny bit and then accumulated that make one rich, no one is rich or wealthy overnight.
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ok. my wrong in the making the question. i want to control risk, not let risk to control me. BUT i am a risk taker.

i am willing to lose 7k cause i still young, willing to lose money so that next time can earn super lots of money.

i know accumulation makes one rich. but reinvestment makes one even richer. take example of warren bufett.
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QUOTE(illidanleong @ Dec 9 2008, 03:42 PM)
LOL. then y are u here if u are not greedy???

every1 here wants to learn how to invest and see how people invest.

but what is that for?? so that they can invest next time.

my conscience overcede my greed, if not i would have rob banks...

btw, pls answer my questions, not critise or create questions out of questions.
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Because your question can't be answered, as there is no such thing of maximising the return rate, as sky is the limit as said.
You can have only Rm1K capital, you can trade until 10K, 100K or even more if you dare, but you have bare the consequences.

People invest in stock market (can be others investment, but this thread more on stock), want to gain some return rate which can be potential much better than FD or other alternative investment target, as simple as that.
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QUOTE(illidanleong @ Dec 9 2008, 03:46 PM)
ok. my wrong in the making the question. i want to control risk, not let risk to control me. BUT i am a risk taker.

i am willing to lose 7k cause i still young, willing to lose money so that next time can earn super lots of money.

i know accumulation makes one rich. but reinvestment makes one even richer. take example of warren bufett.
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that is y many young ppl tend to do mistake. if mr. cherroy idea no gud.
i suggest u go genting casino take risk la and have fun thr.

many ppl like to take buffet as an example, perhaps if u r living during that era can la now 21 century diff oredy.

ok one more think, I think ur question cant be answer. if that ppl can answer ur question he/she is better than buffet and king of stock trading

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theory alone not enough, when it come to practical it will be different story. even experience trader also loss $$$.
but I think u shld patient and dont aiming so high 1st. for ur question, what do u think mr. cherroy?
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That's why I said must be realistic.

Just like one just starting working, then already say I want to be millionaires or billionaires, and ask people how to do it (which quite common in this forum as well, no offence), need to say or ask such question?

Better learn and working hard for it. It is ok to be ambitious but must realistic and work for it.


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that is y most young ppl tend to do mistake. if mr. cherroy idea no gud.
i suggest u go genting casino take risk la and have fun thr.

many ppl like to take buffet as an example, perhaps if u r living during that era can la now 21 century diff oredy.
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People always stated Warren Buffet as example but not even 0.0000000001% people want to emulate his investment philosophy.
Warrent Buffet never think of how to maximise his return rate, he merely invested in some investment target that he see is valuable for the longer term future.

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no such hurry, why dun take some of ur $ to UT,
if u really interested in stock try do some research here may b u can get answer ur question?

http://www.klse.com.my/website/bm/market_information/
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QUOTE(cherroy @ Dec 9 2008, 03:52 PM)
That's why I said must be realistic.

Just like one just starting working, then already say I want to be millionaires or billionaires, and ask people how to do it (which quite common in this forum as well, no offence), need to say or ask such question?

Better learn and working hard for it. It is ok to be ambitious but must realistic and work for it.

Added on December 9, 2008, 3:55 pm

i didnt ask questions like how to make millions and billions, i just said how to max ROI. anyway, i got ur answer.

btw, cherroy, wad u think about futures? i kinda love it, after first lecture about futures.

also, long term or short term investment gives higher return, if liquidity is not a problem?


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illidanleong:
no such hurry, why dun take some of ur $ to UT,
if u really interested in stock try do some research here may b u can get answer ur question?

http://www.klse.com.my/website/bm/market_information/
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thanks, but i look through those sites before already. i doesnt help.

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Added on December 9, 2008, 3:55 pm
btw, cherroy, wad u think about futures? i kinda love it, after first lecture about futures.

also, long term or short term investment gives higher return, if liquidity is not a problem?
Futures can be good if you know what you are doing and hedging purposes. But it can be high risk trade as well. You use around RM5k to trade some contract that worth 20x of your 5K, ie. leveraging. Leveraging is a double-edged sword as seen by recent global financial crisis.

Statistically, long term provide better return most of the time, but if you mindset is to 'maximise' then I can tell you won't be investing for long term. icon_rolleyes.gif

You need to learn capital preservation as well which is the key to make one successful in investment.

One day gain 7K using 7K, then next day lose 7K again with those high risk trade, then why bother to trade in the first place? You are trying to raise your broker family only. <-- no offence to any broker.
If you can't perserve or intend to preserve your capital then it is very hard to have a net gain over the long term. You net gain come whatever extra or more than your initial capital, get what I mean?
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QUOTE(cherroy @ Dec 9 2008, 04:17 PM)
Futures can be good if you know what you are doing and hedging purposes. But it can be high risk trade as well. You use around RM5k to trade some contract that worth 20x of your 5K, ie. leveraging. Leveraging is a double-edged sword as seen by recent global financial crisis.

Statistically, long term provide better return most of the time, but if you mindset is to 'maximise' then I can tell you won't be investing for long term.  icon_rolleyes.gif

You need to learn capital preservation as well which is the key to make one successful in investment.

One day gain 7K using 7K, then next day lose 7K again with those high risk trade, then why bother to trade in the first place? You are trying to raise your broker family only. <-- no offence to any broker.
If you can't perserve or intend to preserve your capital then it is very hard to have a net gain over the long term. You net gain come whatever extra or more than your initial capital, get what I mean?
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i know wad u mean.

pls comment on my long term and short term example is correct.

short term

if i invest RM1 for 1day, i get back RM1, total gain = RM1. capital +gain = RM2

long term

i invest RM1 for 100days, i get back RM120.

but if i use the long term to become short term investment. example, day 1 i invest RM1, day 2 RM2, day 3 RM3, and so on.

this carry on effect (reinvest gains) will provide a higher gain correct?

so short term is better if i reinvest my gains? or long term is better in both reinvest gains and just one shot long term RM1 for 100days?


or my example of long term investment is wrong, as in the returns are too little?

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QUOTE(illidanleong @ Dec 9 2008, 04:28 PM)
i know wad u mean.

pls comment on my long term and short term example is correct.

short term

if i invest RM1 for 1day, i get back RM1, total gain = RM1.  capital +gain = RM2

long term

i invest RM1 for 100days, i get back RM120.

but if i use the long term to become short term investment. example,  day 1 i invest RM1, day 2 RM2, day 3 RM3, and so on.

this carry on effect (reinvest gains) will provide a higher gain correct?

so short term is better if i reinvest my gains? or long term is better in both reinvest gains and just one shot long term RM1 for 100days?
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Short term is about few days to few months. Long term people talk about 2-3 years and above.

On perfect situation, yes, but how do you make sure everytime you will win, won't lose?

I can list out a lot of people experience that roughly like that, you invest 100, you gain Rm2 tomorrow, then take 102 to invest then gain until 105, sound good, then one day you make a wrong trade, loss 10, become 95.

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erm, where to buy futures?

i am a student, not working.


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Short term is about few days to few months. Long term people talk about 2-3 years and above.

On perfect situation, yes, but how do you make sure everytime you will win, won't lose?

I can list out a lot of people experience that roughly like that, you invest 100, you gain Rm2 tomorrow, then take 102 to invest then gain until 105, sound good, then one day you make a wrong trade, loss 10, become 95.
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yes. i cant make sure i will win everytime. thats y research is required to fully take acount of all the variables. like will i gain if i reinvest the gains, how much will i gain, will that gain be higher than the long term gains. etc..

so long and short term has its pros and cons

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<<yes. i cant make sure i will win everytime. thats y research is required to fully take acount of all the variables. like will i gain if i reinvest the gains, how much will i gain, will that gain be higher than the long term gains. etc..

so long and short term has its pros and cons
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Sounds like fairy tale sweat.gif If you can predict the future better don need to study go the trade better

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<<yes. i cant make sure i will win everytime. thats y research is required to fully take acount of all the variables. like will i gain if i reinvest the gains, how much will i gain, will that gain be higher than the long term gains. etc..

so long and short term has its pros and cons
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Sounds like fairy tale  sweat.gif If you can predict the future better don need to study go the trade better
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exactly, if i know then i wouldnt be here asking questions also...
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exactly, if i know then i wouldnt be here asking questions also...
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There are no formula for you to make sure you can gain in every trade you do doh.gif..
If your investment can give you good returns it is advisable do not switch to other as it may be an bad apple ... Frequent trading will kill your wealth unless you are a very experience good trader.....

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exactly, if i know then i wouldnt be here asking questions also...
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Actually people with all the knowledge from the book might loss all when they come to reality world.
Prudent investor try locate underestimate company and grow with them.
Aggressive investor try to trade and earn the difference.
Moderate one do both.
I just a bit curious about you now, because you just look like myself during my u days.
Mind me to offer you some advice, though that might not be useful at all tongue.gif
Keep the money and do some paper trading instead, you might not earn anything but experience, but the bottom line is: you won't loss anything except your own time.
Trading is similar to gambling sometime, and that's highly addictive, too.
Always trade with cool head, if what you want is to get very rich very fast, I can tell you only a few on the earth can do it (perhaps you are one of them, I reserve my opinion on that).
Good luck on your trade and may god bless you. rclxms.gif
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There are no formula for you to make sure you can gain in every trade you do  doh.gif..
If your investment can give you good returns it is advisable do not switch to other as it may be an bad apple ... Frequent trading will kill your wealth unless you are a very experience good trader.....
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Actually people with all the knowledge from the book might loss all when they come to reality world.
Prudent investor try locate underestimate company and grow with them.
Aggressive investor try to trade and earn the difference.
Moderate one do both.
I just a bit curious about you now, because you just look like myself during my u days.
Mind me to offer you some advice, though that might not be useful at all tongue.gif
Keep the money and do some paper trading instead, you might not earn anything but experience, but the bottom line is: you won't loss anything except your own time.
Trading is similar to gambling sometime, and that's highly addictive, too.
Always trade with cool head, if what you want is to get very rich very fast, I can tell you only a few on the earth can do it (perhaps you are one of them, I reserve my opinion on that).
Good luck on your trade and may god bless you. rclxms.gif
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Yup trading is fun indeed . By looking at one counter go down 70% and climb 50 % the next few days might be very intriguing. Some ppl take trading as their hobby and it is different story... But for those who take trading to earn quick money and take it seriously, i would say the dooms day for their wealth is coming soon. Thats y so many ppl hate stock and said stock market is a very risky type of game.
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My ex-date dividend date is today .. so, when can I start sell the stock again? hmm.gif

EX-date : 10/12/2008
Entitlement date : 12/12/2008
Entitlement time : 05:00:00 PM

P/s: First timer play dividend .. sweat.gif

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Actually people with all the knowledge from the book might loss all when they come to reality world.
Prudent investor try locate underestimate company and grow with them.
Aggressive investor try to trade and earn the difference.
Moderate one do both.
I just a bit curious about you now, because you just look like myself during my u days.
Mind me to offer you some advice, though that might not be useful at all tongue.gif
Keep the money and do some paper trading instead, you might not earn anything but experience, but the bottom line is: you won't loss anything except your own time.
Trading is similar to gambling sometime, and that's highly addictive, too.
Always trade with cool head, if what you want is to get very rich very fast, I can tell you only a few on the earth can do it (perhaps you are one of them, I reserve my opinion on that).
Good luck on your trade and may god bless you. rclxms.gif
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hahaha. thanks for the comment.

btw, u have any warren buffett books to recommend?

i want the best art of his. any idea which 1?

i am willing to read. haha

thanks...

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hahaha. thanks for the comment.

btw, u have any warren buffett books to recommend?

i want the best art of his. any idea which 1?

i am willing to read. haha

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I read some of his book but can't recall the name anymore, loan from library one... biggrin.gif
Maybe you want to read the rich dad poor dad series, also quite good, but please don't believe in him unreservedly, he can be wrong too tongue.gif
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QUOTE(illidanleong @ Dec 10 2008, 09:00 AM)
hahaha. thanks for the comment.

btw, u have any warren buffett books to recommend?

i want the best art of his. any idea which 1?

i am willing to read. haha

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not warren buffett only expert in stock trading (I mean can refer other financial related book oso).
read his book cant guarantee u success la lots of ppl did so reading his book yet still .....

if u willing to read, y dont u spare some time read through this stock exchange trade leh there are lots of useful tips here
no offense just my 2 cents.
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I read some of his book but can't recall the name anymore, loan from library one... biggrin.gif
Maybe you want to read the rich dad poor dad series, also quite good, but please don't believe in him unreservedly, he can be wrong too tongue.gif
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hahaha. i just read to get more theoretical experience. might have to modify it to my style to suit malaysian investment series.


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not warren buffett only expert in stock trading (I mean can refer other financial related book oso).
read his book cant guarantee u success la lots of ppl did so  reading his book yet still .....

if u willing to read, y dont u spare some time read through this stock exchange trade leh there are lots of useful tips here
no offense just my 2 cents.
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i read some already. now reading more soon...

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I have a newbie question:

In the Star newspaper under the Stock listing Div Yield.

I am intrigue to know whether it the DY is quoted as per annum or per rolling 4Q?

I mean if it is stated DIGI 10.1%, does it mean that the DY is for the period 1 Jan 2007 - 31 Dec 2007 or is it for rolling 4 quarters?

Thanks

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QUOTE(xuzen @ Dec 10 2008, 12:54 PM)
I have a newbie question:

In the Star newspaper under the Stock listing Div Yield.

I am intrigue to know whether it the DY is quoted as per annum or per rolling 4Q?

I mean if it is stated DIGI 10.1%, does it mean that the DY is for the period 1 Jan 2007 - 31 Dec 2007 or is it for rolling 4 quarters?

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Normally annual term. Rolling 4Q not so consistent. My 2 cents only.
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Since this is beginner topic .. sometimes, I've been wondered something like this ....

Price right now : 1.02

Buy :

1) 1.00 - 10
2) 0.99 - 10
3) 0.98 - 10

Sell :

1) 1.03 - 10
2) 1.04 - 10
3) 1.05 - 10


what will be happen if :

Some crazy rich people put 1 million

1) 10000 lot at 0.80 for buy .
2) 10000 lot at 1.10 for sell.


Is there any effect? hmm.gif .

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Some crazy rich people put 1 million

1) 10000 lot at 0.80  for buy .
2) 10000 lot at 1.10 for sell.
Is there any effect?  hmm.gif .
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Buy :

1) 1.00 - 10
2) 0.99 - 10
3) 0.98 - 10
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#)0.80 - 10000

Sell :

1) 1.03 - 10
2) 1.04 - 10
3) 1.05 - 10
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#)1.10 - 10000


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Will dividends be paid by sending cheques to my address? Or by crediting my CDS/Trust account with the stock broker?
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Interim Tax Exempt Dividend of 6 Sen per share of RM0.20 each
can anyone explain wat this mean
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QUOTE(mo_meng @ Dec 11 2008, 01:48 PM)
Interim Tax Exempt Dividend of 6 Sen per share of RM0.20 each
can anyone explain wat this mean
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I'm guessing it means you get 6 sen for every share you own.
If you have 1 lot, then you get 6 sen x 100 shares = RM6
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Will dividends be paid by sending cheques to my address? Or by crediting my CDS/Trust account with the stock broker?
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Cheques are sent to your correspondence address. Make sure you update your address regularly with your broker.

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QUOTE(mo_meng @ Dec 11 2008, 01:48 PM)
Interim Tax Exempt Dividend of 6 Sen per share of RM0.20 each
can anyone explain wat this mean
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That's dividend company pay in the middle of their financial year (1Q, 2Q or 3Q, can be anytime during the year also). No approval from shareholder required. Tax exempted mean they exercised some of their balance on Section 44, dividend will not be tax on the hand of receiver. tongue.gif 6 sen per share mean 1000 share get RM60.
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yeah understand that but wat of RM0.20 each mean
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QUOTE(mo_meng @ Dec 12 2008, 10:43 AM)
yeah understand that but wat of RM0.20 each mean
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RM0.20 is the par value of the stock
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RM0.20 is the par value of the stock
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Par value means? hmm.gif
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Par value means?  hmm.gif
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Par Value is the value of the share during the IPO stage.

For example DIGI Par Value is RM 0.10, i.e., the value of the share during the IPO stage.

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Par Value is the value of the share during the IPO stage.

For example DIGI Par Value is RM 0.10, i.e., the value of the share during the IPO stage.

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err.... not quite right.

Par value means the money of paid up capital in it when the company first set up time (not IPO).

For eg. you set up the company with paid up capital of 1 millions so you can issue 1 million share of Rm1 par value each or 10 million share of RM0.10 par value.

It is not a good indicator how much should be stock price worth as company can grow or shrink in between.

But having said that, the high differentiate of Par value with stock price means that company in between has grown a lot which the company valuation has appreciated.
Par value is just more or less an academic figure, NTA is more important instead of Par value.


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If after T+3 days the bokerage firm will straight away sell my shares at the current price although no buyers want to buy it? or only at the price that the buyers offer? Thx Everyone who willingly solve my problem:)
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QUOTE(skymei @ Dec 13 2008, 02:38 PM)
If after T+3 days the bokerage firm will straight away sell my shares at the current price although no buyers want to buy it? or only at the price that the buyers offer? Thx Everyone who willingly solve my problem:)
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In order for you manage to sell, or the firm can sell your share, there must be a buyer!

No buyer, how can a deal/transaction being done?

They will throw to the nearest buyer price. They won't wait for people to buy.
If a share is at 1.00 but no buyer, buyer only Q at 0.95, then they will sell/throw to the buyer side at 0.95. If quantity of buyer is not enough to clear your stock, then they will throw even lower where got buyer Q'ing one.
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Thanks Cherroy,

How about if i have RM10,000 in my invested account and i have finished using. But there is another RM20,000 available (3Xdeposited money).
the following matched orders will straight away deducted from the RM20k automatically? and i need to deposit the money RM10,000 as soon as possible? (let say the next transaction is RM 1,000)

Correct me if i am wrong:) thx
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Thanks Cherroy,

How about if i have RM10,000 in my invested account and i have finished using. But there is another RM20,000 available (3Xdeposited money).
the following matched orders will straight away deducted from the RM20k automatically? and i need to deposit the money RM10,000 as soon as possible? (let say the next transaction is RM 1,000)

Correct me if i am wrong:) thx
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This you have to check with respective broker firm, different broker applied different rule.

Generally,
For nominee account, you can trade what you have in the account.

For direct account, you can trade until the credit limit granted by the broker firm/remiser, which totally depended on trust.
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QUOTE(skymei @ Dec 13 2008, 04:44 PM)
Thanks Cherroy,

How about if i have RM10,000 in my invested account and i have finished using. But there is another RM20,000 available (3Xdeposited money).
the following matched orders will straight away deducted from the RM20k automatically? and i need to deposit the money RM10,000 as soon as possible? (let say the next transaction is RM 1,000)

Correct me if i am wrong:) thx
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If you have RM10,000 in your account, you will have a RM30,000 margin to trade with. As long as the stocks that you buy does not go beyond T+3 (trading day + 3 days), you don't have to use your RM10,000 to pay with (that is, IF you make money from selling the shares within T+3). Once your shares goes past T+3, then you will have to pay that value from your RM10,000. If your shares are more that RM10,000, for example, RM15,000, then you have to deposit another RM5,000 once the shares goes past T+3.....

That's what I understand cause I don't use a margin account.... wink.gif


Haizzzz.... so boring..... 5 more days till reload.... hope still have time..... cry.gif

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Thanks Cherroy and Kmarc..smile.gif really appreciate


Added on December 14, 2008, 5:15 pmIf the Commerz-ce that i bought which expire date is 3-3-09. What will it becomes if i still not selling it upon its maturity?

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Care to recommend any?

I heard Jupiter is quite good, but any alternatives beyond that?
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May I know what is "called up share capital" in financial statement ?
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Added on December 14, 2008, 5:15 pmIf the Commerz-ce that i bought which expire date is 3-3-09. What will it becomes if i still not selling it upon its maturity?
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Worth nothing, "evaporised" tongue.gif if exercise price is above the settlement price (ie. the average stock price for the last few days)


Normally, it will be suspended prior a week before its expiration for settlement procedure.

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I think that's equal to paid up share capital.
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QUOTE(YuNGSeNG @ Dec 15 2008, 11:29 AM)
Can explain what is it ? thanks
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QUOTE(cherroy @ Dec 13 2008, 02:13 PM)
err.... not quite right.

Par value means the money of paid up capital in it when the company first set up time (not IPO).

For eg. you set up the company with paid up capital of 1 millions so you can issue 1 million share of Rm1 par value each or 10 million share of RM0.10 par value.

It is not a good indicator how much should be stock price worth as company can grow or shrink in between.

But having said that, the high differentiate of Par value with stock price means that company in between has grown a lot which the company valuation has appreciated.
Par value is just more or less an academic figure, NTA is more important instead of Par value.
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May I know what is "called up share capital" in financial statement ?
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When a company issues new share ,it can be fully paid in one go or it may be in instalments.For example,a company may decides to issue ordinary shares of RM 1 by way of first call 60 sen now , second call 20sen in six months time and third call of 20 sen at a later date to be determined.

In your question abv,the called up capital would be the 60sen.

But this rarely happen in public listed companies.

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QUOTE(lklatmy @ Dec 15 2008, 12:08 PM)
When a company issues new share ,it can be fully paid in one go or it may be in instalments.For example,a company may decides to issue ordinary shares on RM 1 by way of first call 60 sen now , second call 20sen in six months time and third call of 20 sen at a later date to be determined.

In your question abv,the called up capital would be the 60sen.

But this rarely happen in public listed companies.
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Can explain what is it ? thanks
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Generally that's useless, that's the capital when the company started its operation. Mainly use to count the number of shares only.

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What is the difference between "Transacted" & "Acquired"?
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If not mistaken, transacted can be meaning buy or sell, either one, or transferred to third party for some sort of internal restructuring involving the transferring of share for some deal or re-organisation.

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What is "Odd Lot"?
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Eg you have 102 shares, 2 share are odd lot.
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a noob question from me..for example i have bought 500 shares but i only settle the payment for 200 shares on T+3 day, so the remaining shares will forcefully sold at T+4 day?
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a noob question from me..for example i have bought 500 shares but i only settle the payment for 200 shares on T+3 day, so the remaining shares will forcefully sold at T+4 day?
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Number of share which was less than minimal trading lot.
Eg you have 102 shares, 2 share are odd lot.
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Thanks.
How did the 2 shares come about in the first place?
How to buy and sell odd lots?
Are these shares sold or bought at a lower price than the normal lots?
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Thanks.
How did the 2 shares come about in the first place?
How to buy and sell odd lots?
Are these shares sold or bought at a lower price than the normal lots?
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Mostly it come from some bonus issue or right issue like 3:1 or 6:1 or some ratio that won't result in round number.

There is a secondary market where people can qoute buy and sell for those odd lots.

It depends on buy and seller willingness, there is no proper guide or norm what price it should be traded at. It depends which party is more eager to do the transaction.
But generally it traded slight below the market price but for those 1 shares or 2 shares generally it will only trade at the price that significant higher than normal market price. Because you won't sell 1 share at 1.00, right? 1 x 1.00 = 1.00 ended with negative after deducting the commission and stamp duty. If the share's market price is 1.00. Those owning 1 share of it will qoute like RM50 or something like that to sell.

Also 1 share is valuable for those have 99 shares, because by getting the 1 share, you can trade in open market already.

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Mostly it come from some bonus issue or right issue like 3:1 or 6:1 or some ratio that won't result in round number.

There is a secondary market where people can qoute buy and sell for those odd lots.

It depends on buy and seller willingness, there is no proper guide or norm what price it should be traded at. It depends which party is more eager to do the transaction.
But generally it traded slight below the market price but for those 1 shares or 2 shares generally it will only trade at the price that significant higher than normal market price. Because you won't sell 1 share at 1.00, right? 1 x 1.00 = 1.00 ended with negative after deducting the commission and stamp duty. If the share's market price is 1.00. Those owning 1 share of it will qoute like RM50 or something like that to sell.

Also 1 share is valuable for those have 99 shares, because by getting the 1 share, you can trade in open market already.
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Oh.

Then if I have 80 odd shares now, can I wait for the next bonus issue? If next bonus issue gives me 30 shares, then my holding automatically add up to become 1 normal lot of 100 shares and 1 odd lot of 10 shares?

If 1 share is so valuable to the buyer with 99 shares, can I break up my normal lot to become odd lot and sell that 1 share?
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Oh.

Then if I have 80 odd shares now, can I wait for the next bonus issue? If next bonus issue gives me 30 shares, then my holding automatically add up to become 1 normal lot of 100 shares and 1 odd lot of 10 shares?

If 1 share is so valuable to the buyer with 99 shares, can I break up my normal lot to become odd lot and sell that 1 share?
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There is no such thing of 1 normal lot of 100 shares + 1 odd lot of 10 shares.

With CDS, they treat the just like figure in your saving account, you sell 1 lot then 110 - 100 = 10 shares left. You want to sell 1 share in the odd lot market 10 times also can, or 10 shares x 1.

But even if you break up and sell 1 share each, you won't gain much out of it either even though you are selling at RM50 compared to normal price of a few RM as commission will eat large chunck of it already, remember the min commission, stamp duty? smile.gif

You sell 1 shares, then ended up 9 shares, so if not more buyer for the 1 share, then you ended 'more odd' position. laugh.gif
Generally people want to make their CDS clean an tidy and rounded figure, don't want to have xx counter has 521 shares, zz counter has 2342 shares, bb counter has 5926 shares, right? Try to earn extra few RM with some hassle and ended up with some troublesome trade later on? laugh.gif Doesn't make sense.

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FYI for CIMB itrade:

1. Brokerage Rate
Standard Rate 0.70% - For transaction value at or below RM100,000
0.60% - For transaction value exceeding RM100,000 and at or below RM500,000
0.50% - For transaction value exceeding RM500,000
Special Rate Brokerage Rate specified by user in the calculator.
The effective rate that will be used for calculation will be the Brokerage Rate specified by user in the calculator which is not 0.70%
A minimum fee of RM2 for bonds/loan stocks, RM12 for odd lot stocks and RM28 for normal stocks/warrants.
2. Clearing fee 0.03% of transaction value with a maximum of RM1000.00 per contract
3. Stamp duty RM1.00 for RM1,000 or fractional part of transaction value.

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Dec 18 2008, 01:42 PM)

It depends on buy and seller willingness, there is no proper guide or norm what price it should be traded at. It depends which party is more eager to do the transaction.
But generally it traded slight below the market price but for those 1 shares or 2 shares generally it will only trade at the price that significant higher than normal market price. Because you won't sell 1 share at 1.00, right? 1 x 1.00 = 1.00 ended with negative after deducting the commission and stamp duty. If the share's market price is 1.00. Those owning 1 share of it will qoute like RM50 or something like that to sell.

Also 1 share is valuable for those have 99 shares, because by getting the 1 share, you can trade in open market already.
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Under the new BTS introduced at the beginning of this month,it is now possible to buy 1 share without having to pay prices like RM50 per share.

You can just check the current seller in the odd lot board(not sure though whether you can see this in your online portal)and take one share from the seller.For example ,the seller(odd lot) for Sime now is 7.20 and there is 99 shares queing to sell,you can buy one share and the total amount you'll pay for it is:


share price 7.20
Commission 12.00
Stamp duty 1.00
clearing fee 0.01
..........
total 20.21

The unfortunate seller(assuming he only managed to sell one share at the end of the day)will end up in the negative.


If you do not wish to end up like the seller,my advice is don't q to sell,just check the buyer price and let go if u are satisfied with the price.



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Under the new BTS introduced at the beginning of this month,it is now possible to buy 1 share without having to pay prices like RM50 per share.

You can just check the current seller in the odd lot board(not sure though whether you can see this in your online portal)and take one share from the seller.For example ,the seller(odd lot) for Sime now is 7.20 and there is 99 shares queing to sell,you can buy one share and the total amount you'll pay for it is:
share price    7.20
Commission  12.00
Stamp duty    1.00
clearing fee    0.01
                  ..........
total              20.21

The unfortunate seller(assuming he only managed to sell one share at the end of the day)will end up in the negative.
If you do not wish to end up like the seller,my advice is don't q to sell,just check the buyer price and let go if u are satisfied with the price.
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Mean that partial done is allowed now.

Curios to know, what if ended up with negative after deducting the commission + stamp duty, seller need to pay the broker firm instead of getting money? biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(cherroy @ Dec 19 2008, 10:06 AM)
Mean that partial done is allowed now.

Curios to know, what if ended up with negative after deducting the commission + stamp duty, seller need to pay the broker firm instead of getting money?  biggrin.gif
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Then it is really stupid act to sell then still need to pay the broker firm. laugh.gif  doh.gif
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That's why one should not q,because you may end up partially done.

Another way to salvage if you are the unfortunate seller/buyer is trade an additional board lot and the commission will be calculated on the aggregate volume.
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That's why one should not q,because you may end up partially done.

Another way to salvage if you are the unfortunate seller/buyer is trade an additional board lot and the commission will be calculated on the aggregate volume.
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But with partial done allowed that it raised the problem already.

Just like one had 50 shares, so there is no Q for buying, so you put up to sell 50 shares, but some jokers come to buy 1 share from you (<-- as allowed partially done), then no more takers, ended up selling 1 share and paying money to broking firm.

So not that good as well under the new BTS's partial done new rule.

You need somebody to Q in the first place, right?

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But with partial done allowed that it raised the problem already.

Just like one had 50 shares, so there is no Q for buying, so you put up to sell 50 shares, but some jokers come to buy 1 share from you (<-- as allowed partially done), then no more takers, ended up selling 1 share and paying money to broking firm.

So not that good as well under the new BTS's partial done new rule.

You need somebody to Q in the first place, right?
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I think there are pros and cons to the new partially done allowed of the new BTS system,In fact,the problem highlighted by you also applies to the board lot market eventhough the bid and ask quote may be one bid only.For eg,if you q to sell 5000 Hevea and some joker come and buy 100 shares from you at 4.59pm(assuming your price is the TCP price)you will still end up in the negative .


At least under the new BTS system,you need not pay prices like RM50 per share to get the one share required.


If u let someone else be the hero and put up his odd lot quote,you will be able to avoid the pitfall.

Unless and until the odd lot market becomes more liquid,(more buyers and sellers),this problem mentioned will persist.
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When is T+3?

If I sell a share on Monday. Will T+3 means Wednesday or Thursday?

If I sell a share on Monday. Will a public holiday falling on Tuesday affect the timing of T+3?
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MY broker fees is much higher than US.. is as low as USD1 per trade irregardless of amount
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Normally i make my stock pick up payment via check or cash sometimes (if the amount is few thousands).

Today is my first time i use interbank transfer from my CIMB to my brokerage Hwang DBS (RHB).

Any one got do this before? Any risk?

It will be easier for me next time as i no need to go bank to open cheque and easier.

All sifus there pls share you experience on interbank fund transfer for your stock pick up.




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Anybody knows why my brokerage fees (maybank/aseambankders) for UCHITEC is higher?

Normal rate for online trading is 0.42% or RM12 minimum.

When I bought UCHITEC, they charged me 0.60% or RM40 minimum!!! vmad.gif

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Anybody knows why my brokerage fees (maybank/aseambankders) for UCHITEC is higher?

Normal rate for online trading is 0.42% or RM12 minimum.

When I bought UCHITEC, they charged me 0.60% or RM40 minimum!!!  vmad.gif
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Call your remisier and ask him/her to explain wink.gif
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Call your remisier and ask him/her to explain  wink.gif
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Ya, gonna do that on Monday..... just received the statement on Friday, didn't have time to call....

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When is T+3?

If I sell a share on Monday. Will T+3 means Wednesday or Thursday?

If I sell a share on Monday. Will a public holiday falling on Tuesday affect the timing of T+3?
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Nobody reply me?
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Nobody reply me?
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T3 is the third business day after the day of the trade,so if you buy/sell on Monday,your T3 will be Thursday.

If there's a holiday in between,it is not counted because it is not a business day.
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QUOTE(simplesmile @ Dec 20 2008, 06:52 PM)
When is T+3?

If I sell a share on Monday. Will T+3 means Wednesday or Thursday?

If I sell a share on Monday. Will a public holiday falling on Tuesday affect the timing of T+3?
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Thurs..... h-day not counted..

QUOTE(darkknight81 @ Dec 20 2008, 09:29 PM)
Normally i make my stock pick up payment via check or cash sometimes (if the amount is few thousands).

Today is my first time i use interbank transfer from my CIMB to my brokerage Hwang DBS (RHB).

Any one got do this before? Any risk?

It will be easier for me next time as i no need to go bank to open cheque and easier.

All sifus there pls share you experience on interbank fund transfer for your stock pick up.
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i used to do interbank fund transfer for each of my trading.... be it online or cash deposit, no problem at all smile.gif
what i need to do is just by faxing the statement to my dealer or capture the screenshot of the transaction & send it to him if it's online

QUOTE(darkknight81 @ Dec 21 2008, 08:16 AM)
Call your remisier and ask him/her to explain  wink.gif
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Hi evryone,

I did not give a specific instuction to the brokerage firm that they can use my contra gain to offset my unsettled payment..will they automatically do it or i need to manually inform them? All these done on T+4 right?

Hope can reply asap.thx very very much wink.gif
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Hi evryone,

I did not give a specific instuction to the brokerage firm that they can use my contra gain to offset my unsettled payment..will they automatically do it or i need to manually inform them? All these done on T+4 right?

Hope can reply asap.thx very very much wink.gif
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i'm goin start averaging althou i'm goin to pay more on commissions but kennot afford 100 shares mah... thanks
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Im quite new to this stock market thingy. If let say I have RM1k, should I invest into stock market ?

Any idea where should I approach for more information and advises ?

As I know, the way we read the market is like RM1.00 = RM1000 , RM0.50 = RM500

Correct me if I wrong rclxub.gif
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u need to take in consideration how many units ur going to buy also
browse thru www.investopedia.com for more info
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QUOTE(darkknight81 @ Dec 20 2008, 09:29 PM)
Normally i make my stock pick up payment via check or cash sometimes (if the amount is few thousands).

Today is my first time i use interbank transfer from my CIMB to my brokerage Hwang DBS (RHB).

Any one got do this before? Any risk?

It will be easier for me next time as i no need to go bank to open cheque and easier.

All sifus there pls share you experience on interbank fund transfer for your stock pick up.
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Correct me if I am wrong.

CIMB charges RM 2 for the fund transfer and the max amount could be limited to RM 5,000.00

I am using Public Bank to pay Broker under bills which does not charge. On top of that, could be higher limit than RM 5,000 ( I did pay more than RM5k before in one single payment ).

Online payments to me are safe, and I am the frequent user to pay bills, credit cards and do bank transfers. Lot of time saved , and finding the car parkings at banks almost put me off. On top of that, pay bills in time and better cashflow planning..

Good Luck.

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QUOTE(J'Daniel @ Dec 29 2008, 09:53 AM)
Im quite new to this stock market thingy. If let say I have RM1k, should I invest into stock market ?

Any idea where should I approach for more information and advises ?

As I know, the way we read the market is like RM1.00 = RM1000 , RM0.50 = RM500

Correct me if I wrong rclxub.gif
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It depends on whether you might need the money in near future. If you won't need the money in long period of time e.g. 5~10 years, then no harm buying some yield stocks.

That's true if you trade in 1,000 share. Malaysian market trading lot is 100 share. Means you can buy 100 shares of company x at RM10 or 1,000 shares of company y at RM1 (commission, stamp duty and clearing fee excluded).
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QUOTE(J'Daniel @ Dec 29 2008, 09:53 AM)
Im quite new to this stock market thingy. If let say I have RM1k, should I invest into stock market ?

Any idea where should I approach for more information and advises ?

As I know, the way we read the market is like RM1.00 = RM1000 , RM0.50 = RM500

Correct me if I wrong rclxub.gif
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rm 1000 better not to buy stock first. cause its hard to break even and cant diversified.
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i want to get started in stock market. any advise given?
what is the difference between stock market and option trading?
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I'm also new in stock trading. For me, the first thing is to have spare cash and not use your emergency funds/savings to play stocks. Secondly, try to read as much as you can regarding the company/counters you are interested in. There are many links/good info posted by our forumers in many of the threads. Another good source of information is "The Edge Magazine" which is published weekly and cost only RM5-6. There's a lot of useful infomation in there.... Lastly, stock market is risky. Be prepared to lose money.... wink.gif That's my 0.2 cents advice.... smile.gif

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1. Good companies buy their own stock.
2. Buy on the rumors, sell on the news.
3. Beware of “penny stock”:
• The price per share is low.
• The price will often go lower than one can imagine.
• The low price makes these stocks target for manipulation.
• They tend to trade “thinly”, sometimes going for weeks without a buy or sell.
• At times it’s nearly impossible to find buyers for those wanting to sell.
• 10 for 1 reverse splits happen occasionally, to boost the price.

4. Buy the stock that split.
5. Heavy volume, price rise – Light volume, price fall.
6. Buy on Monday, sell on Friday
7. Buy when there is Blood in the streets.
8. Invest in what you know the best.
9. There is always a year-end sell- off: sell before the final week of December or buy if the sell-off is deep and widespread.
10. Small stocks make the “January effect” :
• 1968,1970,1975, 1991 : low price stocks did better than high
• 1973,1988, 1996, 1998 : low price stocks did worse than high

11. When the recession begins: home-building, bank, transport, financial and utilities begin to perform under-expectation.
12. When the economic downturn: avoid from purchase sectors of chemical, energy, health-care, industrial, technology and insurance.

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what is the difference between stock market and option trading?
can anyone recommend me a good book to start with?
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who can help on some noob question

i got RM 10,000

1day i buy @ 9am RM10,000 and sell@ 11am RM10,500 ( profit 500)

then can i use the money to trade again in the same day ? mean ( RM 10,500)


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QUOTE(PKGreat @ Jan 6 2009, 09:14 PM)
who can help on some noob question

i got RM 10,000

1day i buy @ 9am RM10,000 and sell@ 11am  RM10,500 ( profit 500)

then can i use the money to trade again in the same day ? mean ( RM 10,500)
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Depends on investment bank, but just fyi

Your available fund should be 10,000 only, not 10,500. Contra gain takes a few day to clear.
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add on, contra gain takes 3 working days to clear.
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Depends on investment bank, but just fyi

Your available fund should be 10,000 only, not 10,500. Contra gain takes a few day to clear.
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i'm using maybank ..do you know what is the intra trade commision ?

QUOTE(panasonic88 @ Jan 6 2009, 09:35 PM)
add on, contra gain takes 3 working days to clear.
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mean that after T+3 then i can trade RM 10,500 ?


thank you.
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add on, contra gain takes 3 working days to clear.
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To add one more,

For beginners, do not always think of contra gains . biggrin.gif

Correct me if I am wrong.

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another noob question

1) do we need to paid tax for the earning we get from stock market ? how many %

2) i'm using maybank2u, do i still can get the dividend paid out by the company ? example : AXREIT paid 7 sen and i got 1000 share.

3) again, what is the intraday commision charge by maybank ?

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another noob question

1) do we need to paid tax for the earning we get from stock market ? how many %

2) i'm using maybank2u, do i still can get the dividend paid out by the company ? example : AXREIT paid 7 sen and i got 1000 share.

3) again, what is the intraday commision charge by maybank ?

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1. No need.
2. Yes, if you entitled.
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You can start reading Trading for life by Dr.Alexander Elder. His book is easy to understand and suitable for newbies.
You can try looking from this website http://www.bizfun.cc/forum/index.php/board,8.0.html. Inside got alot of ebooks relate to share market and other types of investment tools.

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another noob question

1) do we need to paid tax for the earning we get from stock market ? how many %

2) i'm using maybank2u, do i still can get the dividend paid out by the company ? example : AXREIT paid 7 sen and i got 1000 share.

3) again, what is the intraday commision charge by maybank ?

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1) htt explained. Capital gain in Malaysia is tax exempted.

3) Commission is negotiable nowadays, it is not set by SC or KLSE except for the max of 0.7%. So it depends on investment bank wish to set or give to the customers. Mostly I encounter with is 0.15%, but have no experience with nominee account.
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guys, if I play contra (before T3), do I still have to pay brokerage fee?

I bot UEMLAND on 6/1 and sell on 7/1, do I have to get charge of brokerage?
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Guys if i have 5k where should i invest? Im considering on Public Bank, IOI Corp, and WCT. FYI, im just a student. I started reading articles on stocks and investments in just a week ago. I want to learn more. Any useful suggestions? thx
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Guys if i have 5k where should i invest? Im considering on Public Bank, IOI Corp, and WCT. FYI, im just a student. I started reading articles on stocks and investments in just a week ago. I want to learn more. Any useful suggestions? thx
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IMHO, better do not jump into conclusion to invest promptly. Is there a written law on the legal age to start invest in the market in Malaysia?
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QUOTE(Vv.SoViEt.vV @ Jan 8 2009, 10:27 PM)
guys, if I play contra (before T3), do I still have to pay brokerage fee?

I bot UEMLAND on 6/1 and sell on 7/1, do I have to get charge of brokerage?
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brokerage fee is required to be paid as stated by your broker. Normally, each transaction have to pay for the fee, beside that , you also have to pay for the clearing fee and stamp duty.
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brokerage fee is required to be paid as stated by your broker. Normally, each transaction have to pay for the fee, beside that , you also have to pay for the clearing fee and stamp duty.
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one time for buy and one time for sell if I contra before T3 also kena brokerage?
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IMHO, better do not jump into conclusion to invest promptly. Is there a written law on the legal age to start invest in the market in Malaysia?
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What is the minimum age to open a trading account?
18 years old.

http://www.itradecimb.com/web/faqAccOpen.asp
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one time for buy and one time for sell if I contra before T3 also kena brokerage?
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Last time I bought shares A by 3 December 2008:

Ex-Entitlement : 5 December 2008
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My question is when will I get the money? hmm.gif hmm.gif hmm.gif

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QUOTE(Irzani @ Jan 9 2009, 07:12 PM)
Last time I bought shares A by 3 December 2008:

Ex-Entitlement : 5 December 2008
Lodgement Date : 7 December 2008
Payment Date : 9 January 2009
My question is when will I get the money?  hmm.gif  hmm.gif  hmm.gif

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Payment Date : 9 January 2009
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So, today already 9 January, the payment should be sent in what way? Cheque? Bank In? Collect at remisier? Don't have any news about this .. sweat.gif
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Hey im new here and i guess im the youngest in this thread. lol. Im only 18. I have around 5k and i would like to invest in stock market. Any suggestions on where to start? well i already started reading articles, news, stock watch 1 week ago. lol
I would like some advice to invest and how would i earn? any relevant informations? thx a lot
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Hey im new here and i guess im the youngest in this thread. lol. Im only 18. I have around 5k and i would like to invest in stock market. Any suggestions on where to start? well i already started reading articles, news, stock watch 1 week ago. lol
I would like some advice to invest and how would i earn? any relevant informations? thx a lot
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I would suggest you google around, and do some virtual trading/investment first before really commiting into it.

How would you earn? Most probably the loss chance is greater than gain if blindly jump into it.

It is no harm done to be late. It is better be late rather than sorry (loss your hard-earned/saved money).

Better equip yourself with enough knowledge about the market before starting, otherwise will be paying expensive "tuition" fee out of it. Also take the leisure time to gain market knowledge, while concentrate in core study or job is always the main priority.

Can join us in the discussion, which some forumers may give some good advice, experience and information.

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QUOTE(Irzani @ Jan 9 2009, 09:44 PM)
So, today already 9 January, the payment should be sent in what way? Cheque? Bank In? Collect at remisier? Don't have any news about this ..  sweat.gif
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They will send out the cheque on 9 Jan by post. So it takes a few days to reach into your hand.
For nominee account, it depends on the efficiency of the investment house.

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They will send out the cheque on 9 Jan by post. So it takes a few days to reach into your hand.
For nominee account, it depends on the efficiency of the investment house.
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Thanks, I already nervous since this is my first time in playing dividend stocks .. . Anyway, what does it mean by nominee account and the dividend given? Got 2 account of trading? Nominee and ? hmm.gif
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hi guys i have a problem with itradecimb, i have a share suppose to have a dividen on the 23december 2008 but till today i did not receive any dividen from them
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Thanks, I already nervous since this is my first time in playing dividend stocks ..  . Anyway, what does it mean by nominee account and the dividend given? Got 2 account of trading? Nominee and ?  hmm.gif
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hi guys i have a problem with itradecimb, i have a share suppose to have a dividen on the 23december 2008 but till today i did not receive any dividen from them
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did ya hold the share before ex-date?
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Thanks, I already nervous since this is my first time in playing dividend stocks ..  . Anyway, what does it mean by nominee account and the dividend given? Got 2 account of trading? Nominee and ?  hmm.gif
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Stock broking account got 2 type currently.

1. Direct account - You open a trading account with investment house + CDS account under your own name. So share is held directly under your own name.

2. Nominee account - You open a trading account but share is held under the investment house whereby you don't open a CDS account at all. Typically example would be share trading platform through Maybank2U etc.
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Nominee & Direct CDS

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the share is still with me now. even my other dividen which from other account i had already receive. i check with them they say have to wait for 2 weeks. fine. this week will be the 3rd week already

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Wuu .. I'm open an account to use CIMB ITrade, that means I'm in nominee account? According to iklatmy blog, they are going to charge for the dividends .. sweat.gif

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Now you understand why so many investors complained that they are not receiving annual reports,dividends ,rights issue form etc from the investee companies.It is because the CDS account opened is a Nominee CDS account and all letters are sent to the PO's office.PO charged a service fee for handling the rights issue,dividend etc.

POs charge you a service fee for all dividends received and paper works done such as accepting rights issue or other corporate exercise that involve filling up of forms.

- Iklatmy blog-
Now, there's a third party behind and the payment will be delay and got hidden charge? hmm.gif

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Wuu .. I'm open an account to use CIMB ITrade, that means I'm in nominee account? According to iklatmy blog, they are going to charge for the dividends ..  sweat.gif
Now, there's a third party behind and the payment will be delay and got hidden charge?  hmm.gif
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Is like that one, maybank charge long long ago liao, cimb going to charge for atm card also cry.gif
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Is like that one, maybank charge long long ago liao, cimb going to charge for atm card also cry.gif
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not going to charge the ATM, but already start to charge. you can close the account and applt for the simple account and no charges for atm
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Hey im new here and i guess im the youngest in this thread. lol. Im only 18. I have around 5k and i would like to invest in stock market. Any suggestions on where to start? well i already started reading articles, news, stock watch 1 week ago. lol
I would like some advice to invest and how would i earn? any relevant informations? thx a lot
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biggrin.gif hehe than u are wrong, i am younger..just turn 17.. been very interested in this kind of topic... bought few books about the art of invetsing and so on..

wanted to invest, but again, with my age, do u think my parents will allow me? * unless i am from a rich family *

KNM was the counter i pay most attention to... guess how pain i felt when i saw the price rising from 0.4 to 0.5 sad.gif sad.gif
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biggrin.gif hehe than u are wrong, i am younger..just turn 17.. been very interested in this kind of topic... bought few books about the art of invetsing and so on..

wanted to invest, but again, with my age, do u think my parents will allow me? * unless i am from a rich family *

KNM was the counter i pay most attention to... guess how pain i felt when i saw the price rising from 0.4 to 0.5 sad.gif  sad.gif
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come on you see but doesnt mean you can get the price ........ heheheheehe

any how parent not the matter la !!!!! come on

im only 21 this year all the thing i pay by my self not totally all except my petrol hehehe .

i start interest while im the same age as you ........ be patient and wait .......with your age you can`t do most of the thing by your self now ....


above 18 la .... wait and study more about the thing you like .
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Charge for dividend??what do you mean?? I asked my remiser if there is commission taken out of the maybank trading account, she said no
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Charge for dividend??what do you mean?? I asked my remiser if there is commission taken out of the maybank trading account, she said no
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Net amount to you = RM5
For nominee account only.
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hey guys, about brokerage fee.. I m thinking OSK is charging abit too much compared to jupiter and RHB? The brokerage rate for me is 0.42%. I always do cash up front, can I negotiate with my dealer regarding upfront online trading?
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QUOTE(Vv.SoViEt.vV @ Jan 15 2009, 01:02 AM)
hey guys, about brokerage fee.. I m thinking OSK is charging abit too much compared to jupiter and RHB? The brokerage rate for me is 0.42%. I always do cash up front, can I negotiate with my dealer regarding upfront online trading?
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i dont really think so cause you are dealling online .and 0.42 is the basic brokerage fee . why dont you try go for jupiter ? is totally free for registration.
http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/741789/+20


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sure ..... but as in a down trend of market , the old market trading method is hard for me to apply in .

i need something new such as knowing the market seriouslly deep .
example .

KNM why people play with this counter alot .
how do they determine that this cunter wont fall below Rm0.40

this is like an ocean you never know there a second wave . you though the first wave has passes but in behind there a tsunami coming to you .

for me i just wanna know how to determine the force that might hold the price ??? is the company it self or there other force ?
Correct me if im wrong .hehehe
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Most people determine prices to enter by technical analysis. By looking at past trends and charts, they can roughly guess where the price would most likely attract the most interest therefore preventing it from falling further.

Another way of determining a low price is by way of fundamental analysis. If the company as a whole is worth more than RM1.00, then the share prices would never go below it.

These are the 2 basic ways of determining the "hold price" or the "bottom". But be aware that these are just guesses and estimations. No one can predict the future consistently and there will be times when the direction can totally change.

There are several online articles in Investopedia that explains these terms and a lot more.
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QUOTE(skiddtrader @ Jan 15 2009, 01:47 PM)
Most people determine prices to enter by technical analysis. By looking at past trends and charts, they can roughly guess where the price would most likely attract the most interest therefore preventing it from falling further.

Another way of determining a low price is by way of fundamental analysis. If the company as a whole is worth more than RM1.00, then the share prices would never go below it.

These are the 2 basic ways of determining the "hold price" or the "bottom". But be aware that these are just guesses and estimations. No one can predict the future consistently and there will be times when the direction can totally change.

There are several online articles in Investopedia that explains these terms and a lot more.
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okay.........

so can i be able to research on how the company work on thier share market and get to know what is the force to hold up our stock ??
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okay.........

so can i be able to research on how the company work on thier share market and get to know what is the force to hold up our stock ??
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I don't understand your first question, but to answer your 2nd one, 'force' that hold up a stock is normally the buying interest of the public and investors which also include the company itself.


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okay.........

so can i be able to research on how the company work on thier share market and get to know what is the force to hold up our stock ??
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No, market is unpredictable, there are plenty of reason why people want to buy a share or the share, from technical and fundamental, people tips/recommendation, even people are 'fall in love' with particular stock because of previous good experience etc or simply syiok its name also can. Haha.

Whether the stock can hold on a price or not depend solely on market force ie. supply (seller) and demand (buyer).

Technical analysis evolved from pattern of trade which predicted there are plenty of people want to buy (support level), and resistance level (which more people tends to sell) from the historical data, etc, and its variance.

Fundamental analysis is based on how one value the company in term of company can generate return rate to the shareholders.

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No, market is unpredictable, there are plenty of reason why people want to buy a share or the share, from technical and fundamental, people tips/recommendation, even people are 'fall in love' with particular stock because of previous good experience etc or simply syiok its name also can. Haha.

Whether the stock can hold on a price or not depend solely on market force ie. supply (seller) and demand (buyer).

Technical analysis evolved from pattern of trade which predicted there are plenty of people want to buy (support level), and resistance level (which more people tends to sell) from the historical data, etc, and its variance.

Fundamental analysis is based on how one value the company in term of company can generate return rate to the shareholders.
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ooooo. that menan i just asking how to predict the future izzit ???


hehehe sorry for asking noob quest hehehe .........
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ooooo. that menan i just asking how to predict the future izzit ???
hehehe sorry for asking noob quest hehehe .........
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Yes, that's why skid and me are puzzled by your question along the way.

nvm, all start from noob question one. Welcome to the forum. smile.gif
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Yes, that's why skid and me are puzzled by your question along the way.

nvm, all start from noob question one. Welcome to the forum.  smile.gif
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Hey guys, where can i read each companies financial report, PE ratios and stuffs?
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So when I sell my stock, i have to pay brokerage, commission (when i trade through itrade), clearing fee, and stamp duty???

Can someone explain the number and % of each??? or it's not that many ??

Man, then if I only make 100rm, by the time it gets to me, it's like 2rm or something-_-
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QUOTE(T_flash @ Jan 20 2009, 10:01 PM)
So when I sell my stock, i have to pay brokerage, commission (when i trade through itrade), clearing fee, and stamp duty???

Can someone explain the number and % of each??? or it's not that many ??

Man, then if I only make 100rm, by the time it gets to me, it's like 2rm or something-_-
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It's not just charged when you sell the share. It's all charged when you buy the shares.

Among those fees, the brokerage fee (commission rate) is the largest percentage. Others are not that significant.

For CIMB i-trade, the brokerage rate is 0.42% and subjected to a min of RM 28 per transaction.
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so , normally how much price difference should it be before I sell ??

How much is stamp fee, clearing fee?? brokerage fee also charged when I buy? also sell?

buy also need to pay clearing fee??
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QUOTE(T_flash @ Jan 20 2009, 10:20 PM)
so , normally how much price difference should it be before I sell ??

How much is stamp fee, clearing fee?? brokerage fee also charged when I buy? also sell?

buy also need to pay clearing fee??
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Things charge are exactly the same for buy or sell. The figure is different. Here're the details:

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1. Brokerage Rate:
  a) Internet trade: Negotiable subject to a minimum fee of RM28 for normal stocks/warrants, RM2 for bonds/loan stocks and RM12 for counter ABFMY1
  b) Non-Internet trade: i) 0.7% if Contract Value is equal to or below RM100,000 subject to minimum fee
      ii) 0.5% if Contract Value is above RM100,000 subject to minimum fee
      iii) Minimum fee is RM40 for normal stocks/warrants, RM2 for bonds/loan stocks and RM12 for counter ABFMY1
2. Clearing Fee: 0.03% of Contract Value subject to a maximum fee of RM1,000
3. Stamp Duty: RM1 for every RM1,000 subject to a maximum fee of RM200

Quoted from HwangDBS


Roughly the same if you're not involving very large volume or large monetary amount.

What price is to sell could be determined with a very useful tool called breakeven calculator. Usually your trading platform should provide this. For i-trade, click on the Calc button to determine your breakeven price. There're 3 sections. It could determine your gain or loss too. I don't like it because it doesn't show the money involved. I prefer HwangDBS tool: http://www.einvest.com.my/nettrade/forum/f...fromsidebar=yes

Besides, when you buy a share, the Buy menu in i-trade has calculated for you what is your breakeven price.

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QUOTE(T_flash @ Jan 20 2009, 10:20 PM)
so , normally how much price difference should it be before I sell ??

How much is stamp fee, clearing fee?? brokerage fee also charged when I buy? also sell?

buy also need to pay clearing fee??
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ya sure .. buy also ,

you need to calculate it to a breakeven ..... it depend on how many lot you with the price of each lot .

for me i can only go for share that lower then 0.30 and below ... cause it need me at least around 40-60 lot to breakeven at just 1 block price higher that mean 0.005 .

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Online trading. For example, Y key in sell 1000 units ABC share first, then only I key in sell 300 units ABC share.

After that, the buyer key in buy 300 units ABC share.

So, is it mean my transaction will complete instead of Y ?
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first come first serve basis, Y will be matched 300, remains 700
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first come first serve basis, Y will be matched 300, remains 700
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yaya first come first severed, see who queue up in the rite time to earn le .... some time to be the first also dangerous d .... heheh

see le if you play long term then i think ok gua ....

donknow ?????



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its important to learn how to value a stock's real worth is. One of the common method is to use past history records and project it to the future . then set a earning ratio that you desire in order to come back to what it is worth today ... although not perfect but it is one of the very effective methods ...

practically, one can use EPS and PE to perform above concept with the formula

stock price = EPS x PE

beginner can use this site to find out how much is a stock worth buying today.

http://klsmihosting.com/pfp/

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may i know how to look at the prices ??

long time ago, i see the stock thing from TV when i small

its like RM8.00 = RM8k each unit
RM0.50 = rm500 each unut

if i buy rm8 5 unit means = rm8k x 5= rm40k

If the stock price increase to rm45k n i sell, mean i earn rm5k

am i right ?
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QUOTE(sentro2020 @ Jan 27 2009, 12:04 PM)
may i know how to look at the prices ??

long time ago, i see the stock thing from TV when i small

its like RM8.00 = RM8k each unit
RM0.50 = rm500 each unut

if i buy rm8 5 unit means = rm8k x 5= rm40k

If the stock price increase to rm45k n i sell, mean i earn rm5k

am i right ?
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The prices reflect the value of each share. If the price is stated as RM8, it means each share is RM8.

Most of the time, people buy shares in lots, as it is easier to handle. Last time, 1 lot = 1000 shares. Nowadays, 1 lot is generally equal to 100 shares.

So, if the price is RM8 and you bought 100 shares (1 lot), you have to pay RM800:

RM8 x 100 shares (1 lot) = RM800

If the share price then increases to RM9, your profit is RM 100:

RM9 x 100 shares (that you hold) = RM900

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What the valuecap stocks? Appreciate list od these stocks if any?
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I wonder where can I get more info about stock in malaysia before I invest ?

Is it online or go to KLSE and talk to the remisier ??

is stock, klse, osk188 all is consider stock gaming ? just by different company only?
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QUOTE(dilla @ Jan 28 2009, 11:47 PM)
What the valuecap stocks? Appreciate list od these stocks if any?
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ya i also wan to know about this ..



QUOTE(J'Daniel @ Jan 29 2009, 11:54 AM)
I wonder where can I get more info about stock in malaysia before I invest ?

Is it online or go to KLSE and talk to the remisier ??

is stock, klse, osk188 all is consider stock gaming ? just by different company only?
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yup yup can go for remisier , but not me just seek for some sifu here lowyat got alot sifu and info .

you can learn alot basic here but not FA and TA stuff la .

you also can go visit ChartNexus wedsite . it provide alot of free training and info is about TA AND FA D .


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I still can't figure out how to calculate dividend from investopedia..

Let say KNM, it said Dividend 4.00, then Earning Per share 18.14
If I have 10,000 shares, how does the calculation goes?
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QUOTE(shoduken @ Jan 29 2009, 12:35 PM)
I still can't figure out how to calculate dividend from investopedia..

Let say KNM, it said Dividend 4.00, then Earning Per share 18.14
If I have 10,000 shares, how does the calculation goes?
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You need to state it properly or read the statement properly. dividend 4.00 (xxxx) cents or %.

Dividend 4 cents or 4% are different two stories.

Dividend 4 cents:
0.04 x 10,000 share you got = 400

Dividend 4%
4% x Par value (KNM par value is 0.25) x 10,000 = 100


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QUOTE(cherroy @ Jan 29 2009, 03:51 PM)
You need to state it properly or read the statement properly. dividend 4.00 (xxxx) cents or %.

Dividend 4 cents or 4% are different two stories.

Dividend 4 cents:
0.04 x 10,000 share you got = 400

Dividend 4%
4% x Par value (KNM par value is 0.25) x 10,000 = 100
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thanks cherroy I get it now smile.gif

btw, today I que and successfully bought a stock price at 0.15 for 50,000 share, but when show on my portfolio, it stated the share I bought average price is 0.164
Is it my fault or that hlebroking fault or there's a deep calculation in that ? sad.gif
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QUOTE(shoduken @ Jan 29 2009, 04:37 PM)
thanks cherroy I get it now smile.gif

btw, today I que and successfully bought a stock price at 0.15 for 50,000 share, but when show on my portfolio, it stated the share I bought average price is 0.164
Is it my fault or that hlebroking fault or there's a deep calculation in that ? sad.gif
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which share you brought ???
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which share you brought ???
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call your remiser to clarify.
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I'm not sure about P/E ratio thing....the formula is current market price divided by earnings per stock...how to know what's the earning per stock??and normally investor looking at it for what purpose ??to determine is there any potential gain from the company??how u guyz make use of this P/E ratio??
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I'm not sure about P/E ratio thing....the formula is current market price divided by earnings per stock...how to know what's the earning per stock??and normally investor looking at it for what purpose ??to determine is there any potential gain from the company??how u guyz make use of this P/E ratio??
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That's current market price/ past year earning, used to judge how long it needs to return the money you have invested. But not very accurate as the figure can be manipulate easily, normal investor only look at PE & jump; advance one look at other information e.g. cash flow statement, balance sheet, notes etc and jump; expert look at even more. But chartist might look at chart instead. Just my 2 cents.
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QUOTE(shoduken @ Jan 29 2009, 05:45 PM)
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And what is WB & PA ?
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Just to ask, how we see the expiry date of warrant eg : RAMUNIA-WA ?
And what is WB & PA ?
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what platform you using ?????

i using jupiter online it show at general info there .

the expire date for ram-wa is 20/12/2014
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Just to ask, how we see the expiry date of warrant eg : RAMUNIA-WA ?
And what is WB & PA ?
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KLSE website has a full list of warrant expiration date. http://www.klse.com.my/website/bm/market_i...rrants_info.pdf

WB means it is the second issue of warrant.

PA means preference shares.
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Hey guyz.....would like to ask if let's say I bought 1000 shares and I earn profit after few days. Can I sell a part of of it??means I just sell 500 shares then the remaining I will sell in other day...but would it double charge me in term of brokerage fee, stamp duty etc???
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QUOTE(eric84cool @ Jan 30 2009, 11:43 PM)
Hey guyz.....would like to ask if let's say I bought 1000 shares and I earn profit after few days. Can I sell a part of of it??means I just sell 500 shares then the remaining I will sell in other day...but would it double charge me in term of brokerage fee, stamp duty etc???
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yes you may sell them separately.
however, you will be incurred brokerage fees, clearing fees & stamp duty on every transaction you make.
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I think there are pros and cons to the new partially done allowed of the new BTS system,In fact,the problem highlighted by you  also applies to the board lot market eventhough the bid and ask quote may be one bid only.For eg,if you q to sell 5000 Hevea and some joker come and buy 100 shares from you at 4.59pm(assuming your price is the TCP price)you will still end up in the negative .
At least under the new BTS system,you need not pay prices like RM50 per share to get the one share required.
If u let someone else be the hero and put up his odd lot quote,you will be able to avoid the pitfall.

Unless and until the odd lot market becomes more liquid,(more buyers and sellers),this problem mentioned will persist.
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Any update regarding this 'allowed partial'???

Act. i need an further explanation bout this term, can anyone help me...
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Emm..for those counter which have dividend given out to shareholder soon, would the price drop after distribute the dividend???actually if let's say I have RM 10K....I managed to buy this counter b4 the deadline, am I still entitled to get the dividend compared to those who also invested RM10k n hold their share for few months??who got the most actually?what's the best technique to help one able to get some dividend from the stock counter in term of timing?
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QUOTE(eric84cool @ Jan 31 2009, 11:58 PM)
Emm..for those counter which have dividend given out to shareholder soon, would the price drop after distribute the dividend???actually if let's say I have RM 10K....I managed to buy this counter b4 the deadline, am I still entitled to get the dividend compared to those who also invested RM10k n hold their share for few months??who got the most actually?what's the best technique to help one able to get some dividend from the stock counter in term of timing?
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You buy a stock 5.00, with 20 cents dividend, after ex-date, the price will be adjusted to 4.80, so you gain nothing out of it.


Only those bought much earlier with 10K, probably will become 10,500 already due to dividend announcement. Stock price generally react positively with generous dividend given announcement.

Dividend play only benefit for long term investors, short term and buying prior before ex-dividend date generally won't gain you anything out of it.
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QUOTE(htt @ Jan 30 2009, 08:28 AM)
That's current market price/ past year earning, used to judge how long it needs to return the money you have invested. But not very accurate as the figure can be manipulate easily, normal investor only look at PE & jump; advance one look at other information e.g. cash flow statement, balance sheet, notes etc and jump; expert look at even more. But chartist might look at chart instead. Just my 2 cents.
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QUOTE(panasonic88 @ Jan 30 2009, 11:50 PM)
yes you may sell them separately.
however, you will be incurred brokerage fees, clearing fees & stamp duty on every transaction you make.
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QUOTE(cherroy @ Feb 1 2009, 10:24 AM)
You buy a stock 5.00, with 20 cents dividend, after ex-date, the price will be adjusted to 4.80, so you gain nothing out of it.
Only those bought much earlier with 10K, probably will become 10,500 already due to dividend announcement. Stock price generally react positively with generous dividend given announcement.

Dividend play only benefit for long term investors, short term and buying prior before ex-dividend date generally won't gain you anything out of it.
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QUOTE(lklatmy @ Dec 19 2008, 11:21 AM)
I think there are pros and cons to the new partially done allowed of the new BTS system,In fact,the problem highlighted by you  also applies to the board lot market eventhough the bid and ask quote may be one bid only.For eg,if you q to sell 5000 Hevea and some joker come and buy 100 shares from you at 4.59pm(assuming your price is the TCP price)you will still end up in the negative .
At least under the new BTS system,you need not pay prices like RM50 per share to get the one share required.
If u let someone else be the hero and put up his odd lot quote,you will be able to avoid the pitfall.

Unless and until the odd lot market becomes more liquid,(more buyers and sellers),this problem mentioned will persist.
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QUOTE(gecodine @ Jan 31 2009, 01:52 AM)
Any update regarding this 'allowed partial'???

Act. i need an further explanation bout this term, can anyone help me...
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Still no answer? pls... i need to clarify this
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Still no answer? pls... i need to clarify this
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The system already in place aka BTS is on running now, so partially done on odd lot is allowed now.
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The system already in place aka BTS is on running now, so partially done on odd lot is allowed now.
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if u dont mind, can u elobarate further this system? sorry, always ask u basic question...

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