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post Nov 21 2008, 02:17 PM

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Hi all,

Please bear with me as I am new to the world of stock exchange.

My basic question is what should one do with your stocks?

My remisier's answer is sell at higher price than I buy and make profit. To me that sounds like a gold prospector/speculator rather than as a true investor.

Now to explain my train of thoughts:

I am having a regular source of income (as in having a regular 9-5 job).

I have extra saving by not spending more than I earn.

I used to put my money in FD.

I realized that money in FD was very lazy... it is giving me lousy returns that will not beat inflation.

I have been buying dividend yielding counters hoping that they will give me better Rate of return than FD, I am targeting a conservative yield of 8 - 10%. I am not speculative, but I rather buy them small pieces at a time with the amount I am comfortable with (based on my budget)

I want to keep these dividend yielding counters as part of my retirement plan, hoping that they will give a source of income after I am unable to work anymore.

However, my remisier thinks that my plan is a joke. He cannot understand why I want to keep the stocks when I can make a profit during a bull run.

I cannot understand why I must do like he said.

I hope to hear from second, third or fourth opinions.

Thanks.

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post Nov 21 2008, 03:33 PM

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You buy, you sell, he earn commission mah; you buy once in a blue moon how can he make his living. Your rationale might be perfectly all right, but make sure you got those good one. Good luck. tongue.gif

I intend to buy regularly, but of course not as regular as those speculators.

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Actually, if you sell at rally and buy when it dips, you'll make more money too... but, you need to monitor lar.

Else, steady cruising with the dividend stocks will be good too. It's just something that you do for extra money and profit taking when it gets too high.

Yeah, will KIV during the bull run period. But I don't see it happening in the near future... maybe late 2009 or 2010. I think now is a good time for bargain hunting. 12 months of bargain hunting/sale period... better than our Malaysian Mega Sales eh, which only last one month?

I guess I see myself as the tortoise rather than the hare. Strutting along leisurely along the road called life. Picking up my "rezeki" along the way, using it prudently and whatever is left once I reached the finish line (aka death) I'll give to my next of kin or charity which ever need it more, since I cannot bring it along to my grave.

Sorry for my rambling... biz is slow these days.

P/S So far I have in my portfolio: Tanjong, Carlsbg, Guiness, Amway, Toto, a little bit of here and there.

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post Nov 21 2008, 04:09 PM

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QUOTE(htt @ Nov 21 2008, 03:57 PM)
Your portfolio is kind of stable companies, so risk is generally low. If you can continue your investment for a long time, you are going to get richer. But again, get some cash for standby is always good, I don't think you want to part with some of your portfolio if you need some cash suddenly. blush.gif
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Understood... cash in FD/Savings targeted at 3 to 6 mths of take home pay equivalent.

If you experienced people have anymore stable high dividend yielding counter to suggest please feel free to put it here or PM me. Thanks.

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QUOTE(htt @ Nov 21 2008, 04:37 PM)
I might not experienced also.
You already have all the sin stocks liao. Then mah as well get more sins when they are low, licensed ah long like PBB or MBB (less preferred) or cancer spreader like BAT or JT.  tongue.gif
Infrastructure play also not bad, PLUS, YTL Power etc.
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So far I have a simple screening plan... I select stocks that have PE btw 10 - 15 and DY above 8%. From this short list, only then will I zoom in to study the individual stocks. Its past history, accounting ratios etc...

P/S Chemical Company Malaysia (CCM) looks good to me, and if CI hits 700 or below, I am going in to grab Bursa share especially if it falls to RM 4.50 below.

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P/S: Slide baby slide... slide all the way wayyyyyyyy down baby!



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post Nov 22 2008, 12:49 PM

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QUOTE(htt @ Nov 21 2008, 06:46 PM)
I think you actually done quite some homework as I see there are not short of other stocks which fulfill your criteria but your list are made of blue chips.
Bursa is cash cow company as well, but don't expect them to be very successful as compare to other bourse. Good luck to you. rclxms.gif
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I think currently many company have low PE and high DY is b' coz of the bearish conditions, if the situation was during bull run, I think not many counters would be so delicious. PE would be in their 15 -20 I guess.

That is why I said, for the next 12 months it shall be Mega Sales at KLSE Bursa.

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Nov 22 2008, 01:45 PM)
But do remember some PE trap as well.

Some stocks even drop more than 50%, doesn't mean it is cheap. It is same with PE, as PE is based on last year earning data, if the company earning will be severely affected by the down turn, then those low PE is meaningless and doesn't tell you the real picture.

Just like oil company, now a lot of their PE, or share price could be selling a single digit or 5-8 PE ratio only, but doesn't mean it is cheap. As previous earning come from USD140 oil price, if oil price continue to slide, their future earning will be at least cut into 30% or half, so the coming PE would be teen number at current stock price.
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Thank you for the reminder Cherroy.

That is why I have another safety net, its historical DY must be better than FD. At least if its share prices slide lower, you can rest in comfort that you can gain some dividend.

I also know that these ratios serves mainly as a screening tool and it does not completely over rule personal judgment, experience with the company etc (you know the human touch)

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post Nov 25 2008, 04:45 PM

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Hey people,

I got a new question. This is regarding AGM. If I have like 100 shares in Nestle and another person has 10,000 units in Nestle.

When it comes to voting, is it like I have 100 votes and the other person has 10,000 votes?

How does the shareholder vote work?

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post Nov 25 2008, 04:58 PM

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So a minority shareholder usually has no major say and is there mainly for food and wine/orange juice only yes?.....

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post Nov 25 2008, 05:12 PM

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Hmmm... if I raise enough tough question at the next GAB AGM, maybe they will give me a ctn of Guiness Draft. He he he

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post Nov 28 2008, 04:18 PM

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Hello fellow investors,

Another newbie question:

Does one need to declare to the IRB our profit generated from Equities trading?

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post Nov 28 2008, 05:37 PM

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QUOTE(chuken123 @ Nov 28 2008, 05:03 PM)
i would like to ask if i pick up a share , i have to pay broker fee. but , after that i sell the share, i need to pay broker fee again ? thanks
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0.75% for buying; 0.75% for selling if done through a remisier/brokern (well the remisier has to feed his family as well).

Therefore to obtain capital gain, you have to make sure your counter move above 1.5%.

Personally, I have a simple formula... I will hold until my capital gain is more that the [Brokerage fee + DY + FD interest over time].

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post Dec 10 2008, 12:54 PM

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I have a newbie question:

In the Star newspaper under the Stock listing Div Yield.

I am intrigue to know whether it the DY is quoted as per annum or per rolling 4Q?

I mean if it is stated DIGI 10.1%, does it mean that the DY is for the period 1 Jan 2007 - 31 Dec 2007 or is it for rolling 4 quarters?

Thanks

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QUOTE(simplesmile @ Dec 11 2008, 01:32 PM)
Will dividends be paid by sending cheques to my address? Or by crediting my CDS/Trust account with the stock broker?
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Cheques are sent to your correspondence address. Make sure you update your address regularly with your broker.

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QUOTE(Irzani @ Dec 12 2008, 10:15 PM)
Par value means?  hmm.gif
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Par Value is the value of the share during the IPO stage.

For example DIGI Par Value is RM 0.10, i.e., the value of the share during the IPO stage.

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post Feb 4 2009, 01:45 PM

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Dear Cikgu(s),

I have a question wrt to dividend and their tax computation.

Lets say I receive a dividend from counter X for RM 100 less 25% tax = RM 75.00.

My personal tax bracket is less than 25%, can I claim back the differences? If yes, how?

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post Mar 9 2009, 11:40 AM

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Just a quick check...

How many of you investor use the "Dog of the Dow" strategy?

I, think this strategy is simple enough to follow. May want to try this strategy.

What do you guru(s) think?

Xuzen

P/S:

Does any mutual/unit trust in M'sia that employ this strategy?

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post Apr 16 2009, 01:06 PM

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Dear Cikgu-cikgu,

I wish to know what the following term mean:

i) Hold

ii) Trading Buy

iii) Neutral

iv) Overweight

v) Underweight

Thanks

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post Apr 16 2009, 01:28 PM

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ii) Trading Buy
Buy fast if you want, after bought, shoot on sight.

What does shoot on sight mean? Sorry... I do not understand. blush.gif

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post May 6 2009, 01:31 PM

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What method do you use to measure your return from your investment?

ROI?

DCF?

anymore?

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QUOTE(Coconut @ May 28 2009, 05:29 PM)
hm i have a super noob question, how does the share price moves up and down? Is it related to the price that people willing to buy/sell and also the quantities?
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You go to a wet market, you want to buy 10 kg of bawang merah, but you want to buy it at RM 1.00/kg.

You move around and some seller sell it at RM 1.20/kg. No deal. No transaction.

You wait and shop for other items in the wet market.

Then a seller wants to sell at RM 1.00/kg. Matched. You pay, the seller receives payment and you receive the bawang merah. Transaction completed.

Willing buyer, willing seller.

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