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post Jan 9 2025, 11:10 PM, updated 11 months ago

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Can anyone share your experience in fighting against depression and anxiety? Sorry Mod, I tried to search in mental group but it seems to be active long ago so posted in serious /k.

I feel like roller coaster for the past 6 years, recently my condition is getting severe. I only took my medication for the 1st year then stopped, these few years tried on self control. I've been keeping myself busy, further studies, start up business, work harder, religion supports, but my emotions stil unstable while controllable.

Recently my condition worsens drastically so decided visit physiatrist 2 days ago. I told my dr that I just want to get my monkey mind a good rest. However after the medication, I couldn't work as my mind is totally numbed, knackered and nausea. Due to the side effects, I throw up like nobody business today.

I'm meeting my physiatrist again next monday to see if can solve my root cause to ease my conditions. I try not to be dependent on sleeping pills. Basically 2025 my most important plan is religion support, continue workout, further studies again (new title), pick up my old hobbies. Love myself more as I've been neglecting myself. I not sure if keeping myself busy works for my conditions? Most probably no more business again this year as I'm really out of hand.

Can I have sharings of your journey? At least I know I'm not alone or maybe brainstorming on certain part I probably missed out. This point, I'm feeling very very very super duper sick, felt like standing side of a cliff and it really took me alot of courage to type this out because maybe there is other perspectives which im missing out. Please don't bash me. I just need help.

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Update 27/1 - No advice needed anymore. Its still long way to go.. Thank you sekalian.

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. I've been keeping myself busy, further studies, start up business, work harder, religion supports, but my emotions stil unstable while controllable.

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I believe you are just being stressed by your own "wrong" decisions in life = over-active or monkey mind. You may need to de-stress by correcting your decisions in life, eg no more further studies, no more risky start-up business, etc, at least for some time.

Since your psychiatrist have given you the "wrong" medication with bad side effects, try seeing a good, reliable and ordinary GP for the right medication for your mental issues = it's much cheaper.
....... Note that addiction happens after daily use of prescription psychotic pills for >1 month. The Tapering method can be used to slowly wean off addiction.

https://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-lifestyl...ms/art-20050987 - Stress symptoms: Effects on your body and behavior
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post Jan 9 2025, 11:36 PM

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No fighting journey. Totally stressed out at work with no good prospect. Have been feeling extremely lethargic and dread going to work since few months ago. Any amount of off days also can't seem to replenish my energy. Don't feel like talking to anyone. Even started to lose motivation to exercise.

Doctor treats me like some MC scammer strawberry. I can feel my end soon.
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many issues are actually inconsequential/not important and its usually just me deciding to feel shitty about it.
those that cant be helped like being stuck in the middle of gaza, cant be avoided but to feel bad. no idea on how to tackle those and i also have my own. do whatever lo, cry in sleep at night, punch something, find like minded friend to rant. i do all of it.

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What religion supports you referring to? Most people have lost a connection to the Earth, which is.....easier to access than to God (for most people anyway).

Try hiking and spending time in nature. Living in an artificial environment like concrete jungle with nothing but money, and material concerns every day, plus being bathed in unseen microwave frequencies (EMFs) in such urban areas, can harm your well being.

This is not how humans were meant to live. And the root cause always goes back to this monetary system that we have adopted.
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QUOTE(NinG @ Jan 9 2025, 11:10 PM)
Can anyone share your experience in fighting against depression and anxiety? Sorry Mod, I tried to search in mental group but it seems to be active long ago so posted in serious /k.
Diagnosed with bipolar depression with fam history of depression. You need to know your cause of depression first. And stop overthinking when you are alone, listen to comedy movies etc to laugh. Stop watching/listening to emo/sad songs/movies.

I can see you are easily swayed by external factors. Build up your internal confidence first. Like all prophets, be strong headed like a rock and no one can convert you

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post Jan 9 2025, 11:50 PM

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Maksud TS masih single? No someones you love or care or loving you to sharing?

medication i don't think is work for everyone

You need someone in touch , got warm , got blood help you go thru all this , Forum won't help you punya other than many opinion since everyone handing things differently

someone i know got 自闭症 she getting better by try having a pet and someone love her, understand her , i don't know how both of them solve it together the husband and wife , because they never told i never ask either , because i can understand how its like from a orphanage experience i do felling down and down and down , but I'm okay , getting better, walked out because i have someone irl can share, encourage, understanding, caring .

I don't know where you can find a person/community/support group, but i think you need someone to talk about it irl probably not here that my advice .

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you need a certified therapist not a psychiatrist necessarily. The medications you taken are just a coping business they had on you, the have no obligation to get you better because if they lose you as customer where's their money?
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post Jan 10 2025, 12:02 AM

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QUOTE(NinG @ Jan 9 2025, 11:10 PM)
Can anyone share your experience in fighting against depression and anxiety? Sorry Mod, I tried to search in mental group but it seems to be active long ago so posted in serious /k.

I feel like roller coaster for the past 6 years, recently my condition is getting severe. I only took my medication for the 1st year then stopped, these few years tried on self control. I've been keeping myself busy, further studies, start up business, work harder, religion supports, but my emotions stil unstable while controllable.

Recently my condition worsens drastically so decided visit physiatrist 2 days ago. I told my dr that I just want to get my monkey mind a good rest. However after the medication, I couldn't work as my mind is totally numbed, knackered and nausea. Due to the side effects, I throw up like nobody business today.

I'm meeting my physiatrist again next monday to see if can solve my root cause to ease my conditions. I try not to be dependent on sleeping pills. Basically 2025 my most important plan is religion support, continue workout, further studies again (new title), pick up my old hobbies. Love myself more as I've been neglecting myself. I not sure if keeping myself busy works for my conditions? Most probably no more business again this year as I'm really out of hand.

Can I have sharings of your journey? At least I know I'm not alone or maybe brainstorming on certain part I probably missed out. This point, I'm feeling very very very super duper sick, felt like standing side of a cliff and it really took me alot of courage to type this out because maybe there is other perspectives which im missing out. Please don't bash me. I just need help.

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Been thru this also

How is your environment with your family? Colleague?
Staying alone ?

Medication now is sleeping pill?
Xanax + lexapro?

Body got any illness? Like body ache?
Work got any issue?

Need to sit down and do meditation..then clear your mind up, and take a paper, list down the most critical question that make you feel stress

1. Work? Boss sangat susah?
2. Debts?
3. Family relationship?
4. Heart feel empty?
5. Got health issue? Lymph node got jam until u very easy agitated?
6. Stomach and gut issue? Got gastric? Got eat timely? Not enough of proper food = no enough of Serotonin -> you will go anxiety and depression. Tats why lexapro is SSRI to reuptake that serotonin you are missing in your head.
7. Peer pressure? Tengok ktard everyday cakap 20k tered, friend got merrid, got wife got children, got house got car and you got nothing?


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QUOTE(zuozi @ Jan 9 2025, 11:50 PM)
Maksud TS masih single? No someones you love or care or loving you to sharing?

medication i don't think is work for everyone

You need someone in touch , got warm , got blood help you go thru all this , Forum won't help you punya other than many opinion since everyone handing things differently

someone i know got 自闭症 she getting better by try having a pet and someone love her, understand her , i don't know how both of them solve it together the husband and wife , because they never told  i never ask either , because i can understand how its like from a orphanage experience i do felling down and down and down , but I'm okay , getting better, walked out because i have someone irl can share, encourage, understanding, caring .

I don't know where you can find a person/community/support group, but i think you need someone to talk about it irl probably not here that my advice .
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If the other half is supportive then is a positive but if they give more stress then it will be more worse lol
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post Jan 10 2025, 02:23 AM

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try vegan diet and have a hobby that can help you relax
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post Jan 10 2025, 02:42 AM

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Ts, exercises fixes depression.

1. Your heart will hate what it takes to be better. Start with walking. FORCE yourself to walk, use public transport, not just driving. Walking helps you to engage your body and brain where to go.

Depression is mostly a heart problem, medication doesn't solve heart problem but causes even more side effect. Unless depression anxiety runs in your fam, don't take. The pharma industry is evil and money driven, not mental health driven.

2. Talk to your good friends

Social support is so important. Ask old people secret to a long life, it's about social support. Find friends to talk to and encourage each other.



Anxiety is trying to control something that is out of your control. You see where the problem is.

1. Learn to let go.

As I write this, it's a reminder to ourselves to let go things we cannot control. We are not God so we don't play God. We do our part and pray for the best

2. Tame your monkey brain

I can relate this. Your monkey brain will kong kong kong what if and imagine the worse possible scenario. Truth is 80% of the time those imagined stuff won't happen. Our brain does this to defend ourselves from harm which is part of survival instinct but it can go extreme. So tame it.

Talk to your friends again. They won't have your monkey brain and will help you dissect the problem better


Look up to the sky and realize we are very tiny creature. World is so big. Our problems in our monkey brain is actually bacteria size small.

Life is very simple. We over complicate it.

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I used to think of dying all the time last time.

Until I found my true love, I dicided to do my best live for longest so I can be with her as long as I can.

Maybe TS needs to try fall in love?
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Yes I feel the pinch seeing my psychiatrist, it cost me RM500 this round. Not sure about next round. I will look for my family dr for 3rd visit. When I came out from his room, I was shocked seeing other patients which much more severe symptoms than me. It could be me, if I still neglect my siren.

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I stopped exercise almost a week. Thus I decided go for a short gateway alone next week.

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I'm buddhism. I do bow to buddha daily (my homework). Yes I do camping as well, I will purposely choose the place with no connection. I agree with hiking and nature because it's what I loved to as well. Thanks for the suggestion, I've forgotten about this.

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Would you mind to further elaborate with "swayed by external factors" to me? Thanks

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I'm no longer single, root cause of all of this is due to relationships. So both of us going to see physiatrist together next week to solve our problems.


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True also. I was shocked when I made the payment. Consultation fees cost RM200. Medication RM300. But I know I need something to stop the monkey mind first. Thanks for the suggestion, will look out for therapist see if helps.

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My current medication is vortiozetine and clonazepam. It does stopped my monkey mind, but my feeling is quite numb, stopped working for 2 days already. I told my dr thats why i dislike to take psy. Besides, I try to change myself not to ranting and negative to my close friends.
Yes I sit down and write, like i keep on writing these days. Questioning myself. I not sure if this the right way. However I must admit I'm terrible at meditation. Relationships is my root cause. Hopefully next session with dr can help a little bit. Current self control on mind is super weak. I'm too fatigue.

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Yes agree.

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I'm on going clean diet recently, my friend told me clean diet do affect emotions. Abit usure with this statement.


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NinG

Go buy 100% dark chocolate. Snack on them after every meal.
Not nice but very good for depression.

Nutricraft or realfoodsources.

Then get plenty of sunshine around 10am sunshine where you can feel the heat. Min 20-30 minutes a day.

Get shoden ashwanganda. You can buy from bestvites.

Then get magnesium taurate or magnesium glycinate.

Don't just depend on meds.

That's what I did for my family member with depression. Now off meds already

I don't know what religion are you, but learn to start meditation.

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Whenever I starts the monkey mind, I exercise. Recently stopped due to mind fatigue. Too tired until i able to sleep whole day. But the mind is restlsss, which caused me worst
Thanks for the encouragement, I will force myself to workout again. True, we complicated life, and life is too short to waste our time. I don't want to give myself too many excuses without trying.

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Being in a relationship is the most tired thing I ever done. White flag for me. 放过我 T.T

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Thank you for all the kind words, encouragements and suggestions. At the moment my mind is truly numbed and high level of fatigue. But I will slowly digest it. notworthy.gif notworthy.gif

For other lyn who experiencing this, you're not alone.
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QUOTE(NinG @ Jan 9 2025, 11:10 PM)
Can anyone share your experience in fighting against depression and anxiety? Sorry Mod, I tried to search in mental group but it seems to be active long ago so posted in serious /k.

I feel like roller coaster for the past 6 years, recently my condition is getting severe. I only took my medication for the 1st year then stopped, these few years tried on self control. I've been keeping myself busy, further studies, start up business, work harder, religion supports, but my emotions stil unstable while controllable.

Recently my condition worsens drastically so decided visit physiatrist 2 days ago. I told my dr that I just want to get my monkey mind a good rest. However after the medication, I couldn't work as my mind is totally numbed, knackered and nausea. Due to the side effects, I throw up like nobody business today.

I'm meeting my physiatrist again next monday to see if can solve my root cause to ease my conditions. I try not to be dependent on sleeping pills. Basically 2025 my most important plan is religion support, continue workout, further studies again (new title), pick up my old hobbies. Love myself more as I've been neglecting myself. I not sure if keeping myself busy works for my conditions? Most probably no more business again this year as I'm really out of hand.

Can I have sharings of your journey? At least I know I'm not alone or maybe brainstorming on certain part I probably missed out. This point, I'm feeling very very very super duper sick, felt like standing side of a cliff and it really took me alot of courage to type this out because maybe there is other perspectives which im missing out. Please don't bash me. I just need help.

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I had the same issue. but not until need medication.

Yes your plan is spot on. Religion is one of the way. find a bigger purpose in life.

workout also helps. join some events like those running events and set a goal to yourself. basically anything that keeps your mind off overthinking. I couldn't imagine myself living without sports because that is the only thing keeping me sane these days.

all the best TS. I wish you the best.
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I'm no longer single, root cause of all of this is due to relationships. So both of us going to see physiatrist together next week to solve our problems.
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True also. I was shocked when I made the payment. Consultation fees cost RM200. Medication RM300. But I know I need something to stop the monkey mind first. Thanks for the suggestion, will look out for therapist see if helps.
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do not go to private, it's too expensive and will stress you even further.

go to government.

you can continue to see a psychiatrist in a govt hospital, it's only like RM1 or RM5 per visit.

The psychiatrist in the govt hospital can even arrange you to consult the clinical psychologist in the hospital. Perhaps, they might introduce CBT treatment for you.

You need both medication and therapy. The psychiatrist will know when is the right time to wean you out from the medication.

But at the first time, you need to find the root cause (this is the most important task to do). Looks like you have too many things to handle. You need to look into that.

Continue to get religion support if it helps.

The psychiatrist him/herself is also a form of support, so it's important for you to continue to see the psychiatrist (but not in the private hospital).
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QUOTE(NinG @ Jan 9 2025, 11:10 PM)
Can anyone share your experience in fighting against depression and anxiety? Sorry Mod, I tried to search in mental group but it seems to be active long ago so posted in serious /k.

I feel like roller coaster for the past 6 years, recently my condition is getting severe. I only took my medication for the 1st year then stopped, these few years tried on self control. I've been keeping myself busy, further studies, start up business, work harder, religion supports, but my emotions stil unstable while controllable.

Recently my condition worsens drastically so decided visit physiatrist 2 days ago. I told my dr that I just want to get my monkey mind a good rest. However after the medication, I couldn't work as my mind is totally numbed, knackered and nausea. Due to the side effects, I throw up like nobody business today.

I'm meeting my physiatrist again next monday to see if can solve my root cause to ease my conditions. I try not to be dependent on sleeping pills. Basically 2025 my most important plan is religion support, continue workout, further studies again (new title), pick up my old hobbies. Love myself more as I've been neglecting myself. I not sure if keeping myself busy works for my conditions? Most probably no more business again this year as I'm really out of hand.

Can I have sharings of your journey? At least I know I'm not alone or maybe brainstorming on certain part I probably missed out. This point, I'm feeling very very very super duper sick, felt like standing side of a cliff and it really took me alot of courage to type this out because maybe there is other perspectives which im missing out. Please don't bash me. I just need help.

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For me if i feel anxiety, i take things slow.
keep it simple and stupid. don't do another thing, and take care of your own needs first.
after calming down, only continue to tackle other things 1 by 1.
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Whenever I starts the monkey mind, I exercise. Recently stopped due to mind fatigue. Too tired until i able to sleep whole day. But the mind is restlsss, which caused me worst
Thanks for the encouragement, I will force myself to workout again. True, we complicated life, and life is too short to waste our time. I don't want to give myself too many excuses without trying.

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Being in a relationship is the most tired thing I ever done. White flag for me. 放过我 T.T
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Why? If that relationship is tiring means he/she is not the suitable one for U.

Find one that fits Ur lifestyle and makes U comfortable with it.
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Hi,
I have similar experience, had some issues with my IT consulting work circa 2020 and then I was on lexapro for like 6 months. Of course the mind keeps on looping back, can I get back the old job and pay, the life style, living like an expat etc. Spent a lot of time walking around a nearby park (was jobless for years but my circumstances allow it). So depending on your taste for physical activities, train as much as you want. I also solo hike at 5am, and did solo camp during that time (seldom do it now though, got a bit lazy since I felt better) .

In terms of religion, yes that part help a lot, not gonna preach to you to join anything, but just explain the component that helps if you're going to join one
A) you need to be in a smaller group, with consistent members, ppl that show good behaviours
B) some members are already in good shape, some may be in the same journey as you
C) the members have to share their struggle, and from there, you will notice, if your own issue is truly that big or it's partially from own imagination or bad internal monologue
D) summary of the result: from internal, you will notice that if other ppl are making progress you will feel the need to improve your own story. From external, other members may notice your improvement and mention it to you

Now I just do psrtime consulting works and trying to make my hobbies work (3d model). Your circumstances may be different, a lot of commitment etc. But if you can cut off some stuff that you don't need, do consider it. Don't let those silly post about how much money you need bothers you.

Bless you, friend.
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Whenever I starts the monkey mind, I exercise. Recently stopped due to mind fatigue. Too tired until i able to sleep whole day. But the mind is restlsss, which caused me worst
Thanks for the encouragement, I will force myself to workout again. True, we complicated life, and life is too short to waste our time. I don't want to give myself too many excuses without trying.

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Being in a relationship is the most tired thing I ever done. White flag for me. 放过我 T.T
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Have you been prescribed by your Dr to Serotonin (ssri) before?

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QUOTE(NinG @ Jan 10 2025, 07:05 AM)
I'm no longer single, root cause of all of this is due to relationships. So both of us going to see physiatrist together next week to solve our problems.
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If this relationship is giving you hell, the only way out is to end it. No amount of medicine/exercise/religion or whatnot will help if you continue with this relationship.
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Apparently many here don’t understand what anxiety and depression are. Many are telling you to stay positive, don’t think so much, exercise and etc, don’t really know that anxiety and depression are actually some form of nervous disorder, where our body is not able to control the nervous system mechanisms. Therefore, even though we know we should think positive, go exercise, relax.., we are still unable to do it.

That’s where psychiatrist comes in, diagnose and prescribe medication. With the help of medication, we can bring back our nervous system into a more balance situation, and then we can start to strengthen our nervous system by practising mindfulness, meditation, exercise.
Once our nervous system becomes stronger, we will feel better and recover from it.
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QUOTE(Super2047 @ Jan 10 2025, 08:59 AM)
Apparently many here don’t understand what anxiety and depression are. Many are telling you to stay positive, don’t think so much, exercise and etc, don’t really know that anxiety and depression are actually some form of nervous disorder, where our body is not able to control the nervous system mechanisms. Therefore, even though we know we should think positive, go exercise, relax.., we are still unable to do it.

That’s where psychiatrist comes in, diagnose and prescribe medication. With the help of medication, we can bring back our nervous system into a more balance situation, and then we can start to strengthen our nervous system by practising mindfulness, meditation, exercise.
Once our nervous system becomes stronger, we will feel better and recover from it.
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Thanks, above comments are mainly slef inflicted stress, depression on the other hand occur for no reason whether u like it or not.
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QUOTE(NinG @ Jan 10 2025, 07:40 AM)
Being in a relationship is the most tired thing I ever done. White flag for me. 放过我 T.T
That is better as you can identify this problem as the root cause of your issue. I dont know your gender, and also your type of relationship you are in, but relationship problem can basically be categorized into a few or a mixture of a few.

1. Cheating issue and trust issue
2. Money issue, other half spending and you are slaving and paying until sien kao liao
3. Verbal issue, talk very lanciao and hurting
4. Abusive and got fight and hitting
5. Family no supportive but you both still together
6. A mixture of above

I am not professional, but identifying the true root cause will help you tackle this. After you have identify it, then you need to inform the other side. Must be honest upfront telling he or she the root cause. Must be specific.

If it is cheating and trust issue, happen again and again, and you cannot take it, then chop it off
If money, can talk on spending behavior

If verbal, list down what kind of reply and speech will hurt you, and tell the other half how they should reply you in order not to hurt you, in a respectable fashion. Example, by adding, "do you think this a better option in front" and also telling other side not to get angry if you decide your way instead of their way

If abusive and fight, cannot take it, then chop it off


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While you try to drown your own in work, exercise, or wadever activities, the continuous repeatative hurt and insult might have put your mind in a state of "recalling those hurtful moment", and then your mind continue to dig deeper into it and keep thinking and getting worst and become depression and anxiety, hence the doctor prescribe you the medicine which slow your mind down into thinking too many things. But the side effect is, you will become too dependant on it, and got those side effect.

A better change to it is to practice your mind thoughts, as when your mind think about those bad moment, you need to shift it away by not drilling into it..it will kill your soul.
One of my ways is to listen to gospel soul music, those that preach to your heart and mind and affirming your life and soul and heal your wound. Make your eyes look at those lyrics, your mouth sing it out, and your brain process those words, then you will divert your mind into digging deeper to those depressive thoughts.

If you are a guy and had not been crying, maybe is time to cry it out loud and shed those tears out. It is totally alright to cry, you can start by crying out aloud as you listen to gospel soul music that heals your heart.

Write down the process flow in a paper and look at it as a manual tat when you are going into such, then what you need to do next to take it away from going into that. It takes practice to exercise your mind and brain..

I hope my sharing will help you a little bit by not being dependable solely on medicine. Medicine does help, but fully depend on it is not the solution. But to come out of it will be the best
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You need to fix your gut, fix your sleep and fix your lifestyle.

Depression and anxiety is not just emotional and mental but all interrelated with your physical and spiritual as well.

Go search on gut brain axis first and HPA axis disruption.

Fix your gut first. Fix your gut first
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You need to fix your gut, fix your sleep and fix your lifestyle.

Depression and anxiety is not just emotional and mental but all interrelated with your physical and spiritual as well.

Go search on gut brain axis first and HPA axis disruption.

Fix your gut first. Fix your gut first
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TS already identify relationship as main cause..
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Thats a contributing factor..major or minor. There are a lot more contributing factor TS is aware or unaware of. Insight only can be gained with knowledge. If the mind and body is strong, emotion will be more resilliant.

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If the other half is supportive then is a positive but if they give more stress then it will be more worse lol
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If the other half not willing to help at all is time to temporary move on without them, that the reason i advice TS go for support group/community/woman house etc

Medication example for hbp if the person don't want change or getting improve the person will forever using hbp medication not gonna solve the problem at the end

Interact with the right person/groups , those sound/joy/tear's/voice/is real and you can feel it that what make ppl relief/temporary let go for who i am/ppl can find alternative exit through all this support group since those feeling is real/is there/they understand/

the idea all this community is to accept/admit/ you need help, you don't want hide , accept who you are right now, temporary let go the previous you .

My time in orphanage from time to time we do visit all this community house, NGO house, to share our experience and feeling with other, doesn't matter what your background

Sometime human don't always interact with other or they really don't talk about it probably is feel malu,羞耻,or whatever reason is like example damm I'm a successful man is so xia sui to tell ppl i have this problem because the successful man worry how other think about him, like you're weak, loser etc negative thinking , in support group they listen, they don't judge , they help you overcome it.

That why i insist and advice TS seeking alternative help from this community support group i mention , sometimes you'll find someone have more bad life than yours, more bad experience than yours for the moment probably you can feel relief because I'm not the one is suffering , then when you try lend out your help to help the other still suffering sometimes things can improve

That my experience, if you have no idea what my long wall of text talking about just forget about it because i know my england is so broken .
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ts got try to bela pet ?
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Do u have gastric issues? Both are interlinked with depression
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QUOTE(NinG @ Jan 10 2025, 07:05 AM)
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I'm no longer single, root cause of all of this is due to relationships. So both of us going to see physiatrist together next week to solve our problems.
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True also. I was shocked when I made the payment. Consultation fees cost RM200. Medication RM300. But I know I need something to stop the monkey mind first. Thanks for the suggestion, will look out for therapist see if helps.
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How old are you TS if mind asking ? Early 20/30 or late 20/30.

By the way as another member said you need a psychologist/counsellor/therapist because physiatrist will just keep giving you pills to temporarily rest your mind. You need to solve the root cause to this. If relationship is the issue, perhaps look for couple therapy. I wish you well.

I went to my usual GP and was prescribed Xanax. I am almost to the point of abusing it because the dosage given to me no longer works. I don't really depend on it now because I still have to face my issues the next day.

I am in my late 30s here and dealing with stagnant life (in every aspect)
I feel like I have to live this way on autopilot until my last breathe for my sanity. Sometimes when the body and mind can no longer take it, you will be numb automatically as a way to cope.
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Rest your body, sleep. Wake up in the morning and exercise. Has a plan daily/weekly/monthly/yearly with goals and targets.

Identify what makes you happy before.
Identify what makes you unhappy/sad/regrets from past.

Write down your emotions and feelings. Keep a diary.
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TS can try taurine and l-theanine supplements. Magnesium glycinate too.

If the above does not help, can also take a look into issues related to undermethylation and try to fix it with vitamin B supplements, especially B1, B2, B9 and B12.

Not a medical advice btw.


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Can anyone share your experience in fighting against depression and anxiety? Sorry Mod, I tried to search in mental group but it seems to be active long ago so posted in serious /k.

I feel like roller coaster for the past 6 years, recently my condition is getting severe. I only took my medication for the 1st year then stopped, these few years tried on self control. I've been keeping myself busy, further studies, start up business, work harder, religion supports, but my emotions stil unstable while controllable.

Recently my condition worsens drastically so decided visit physiatrist 2 days ago. I told my dr that I just want to get my monkey mind a good rest. However after the medication, I couldn't work as my mind is totally numbed, knackered and nausea. Due to the side effects, I throw up like nobody business today.

I'm meeting my physiatrist again next monday to see if can solve my root cause to ease my conditions. I try not to be dependent on sleeping pills. Basically 2025 my most important plan is religion support, continue workout, further studies again (new title), pick up my old hobbies. Love myself more as I've been neglecting myself. I not sure if keeping myself busy works for my conditions? Most probably no more business again this year as I'm really out of hand.

Can I have sharings of your journey? At least I know I'm not alone or maybe brainstorming on certain part I probably missed out. This point, I'm feeling very very very super duper sick, felt like standing side of a cliff and it really took me alot of courage to type this out because maybe there is other perspectives which im missing out. Please don't bash me. I just need help.

Mod may remove this topic if inappropriate here. Thanks.
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Take a very long holiday, several days best getting closer to nature.
Disconnect with all the socmeds, freeze FB or whatever.
Alleviated most, if not all, of my mild depression during my past.

https://mentari.moh.gov.my/self-test/

Based on the tests, currently I'm having another one again, since becoming a young parent all the worries are creeping in (kid's future, current employment stability vs financial capacity, own parents aging and falling sick etc).

Trying to "man up" still manageable, I only hate that it's becoming easier to lose my patience, easily annoyed and getting enraged by things that used to have no effect on me last time.
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QUOTE(NinG @ Jan 10 2025, 07:05 AM)
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I'm no longer single, root cause of all of this is due to relationships. So both of us going to see physiatrist together next week to solve our problems.

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If your partner is giving you stress (eg toxic relationship), it's best to get out of the relationship if there are still no solution or no change on his part.
....... If so, you had made a wrong life decision by entering into the relationship with him. Banks do credit history checks, salary checks, etc before extending huge loans to a person, eg home loans. Girls/women should do similar before entering into a romantic relationship with a boy/man, eg no seggs for the 1st 6 months' of dating, background checks with his acquaintances, eg work colleagues (not with his family and friends who are likely biased), observes how he treats outsiders like waiters, etc.

It's natural for a girl/woman to feel depressed when her bf/husband is giving her emotional problems and not vice versa, because girls/women fall in love emotionally with their partner but boys/men mostly only fall in lust with their seggs partner.
....... So, it's foolish for a girl/woman to take antidepressants when her romantic relationship becomes problematic and depressing.
....... Depression = sadness = usually caused by a sad situation or event, eg kena scammed online - losing RM thousands, kena hospitalized, family member hospitalized or passed away, struck by natural disaster like monsoon floods, etc = may need some time to recover or recover by getting out of that depressing/sad situation = becomes at peace, happy or contented.

In life, there is karma-is-a-beeetch, "we reap what we sowed", just desserts, the Law of ni4ni, the Golden Rule, etc (see my signature).
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QUOTE(Blofeld @ Jan 10 2025, 08:13 AM)
do not go to private, it's too expensive and will stress you even further.

go to government.

you can continue to see a psychiatrist in a govt hospital, it's only like RM1 or RM5 per visit.

The psychiatrist in the govt hospital can even arrange you to consult the clinical psychologist in the hospital. Perhaps, they might introduce CBT treatment for you.

You need both medication and therapy. The psychiatrist will know when is the right time to wean you out from the medication.

But at the first time, you need to find the root cause (this is the most important task to do). Looks like you have too many things to handle. You need to look into that.

Continue to get religion support if it helps.

The psychiatrist him/herself is also a form of support, so it's important for you to continue to see the psychiatrist (but not in the private hospital).
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AFAIK, government psychiatrist, need to queue and wait for weeks to get an appointment = monkey mind may be already "dead" before the appointment date.
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QUOTE(NinG @ Jan 10 2025, 07:40 AM)
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Being in a relationship is the most tired thing I ever done. White flag for me. 放过我 T.T
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= the cure for your depression and anxiety/insomnia is to get out of the tiring relationship.

= only enter into a happy romantic relationship.
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QUOTE(kawa_e @ Jan 10 2025, 11:45 AM)
How old are you TS if mind asking ? Early 20/30 or late 20/30.

By the way as another member said you need a psychologist/counsellor/therapist because physiatrist will just keep giving you pills to temporarily rest your mind. You need to solve the root cause to this. If relationship is the issue, perhaps look for couple therapy. I wish you well.

I went to my usual GP and was prescribed Xanax. I am almost to the point of abusing it because the dosage given to me no longer works. I don't really depend on it now because I still have to face my issues the next day.

I am in my late 30s here and dealing with stagnant life (in every aspect)
I feel like I have to live this way on autopilot until my last breathe for my sanity. Sometimes when the body and mind can no longer take it, you will be numb automatically as a way to cope.
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Agree. Medications can be a cope
my relative had depression over 2 decades and they still havent changed themselves completely aka being a victim in every aspects of their lives. Lose money, lose respect lose job lose friends as well

A total delusion and downward spirals
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= the cure for your depression and anxiety/insomnia is to get out of the tiring relationship.

= only enter into a happy romantic relationship.
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Hapy romantic relationship.. while there are real one.. but many dont last.. syiok sekejap, when come to life reality and commitment, all become caoniabu already when cannot get with it
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AFAIK, government psychiatrist, need to queue and wait for weeks to get an appointment = monkey mind may be already "dead" before the appointment date.
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that's a misconception of having to wait long

you will be surprised how fast they will call you for an appointment.

maybe for other departments, then i'd agree with you but it is quite fast for psychiatry dept, maybe because not many ppl are aware of the need to see a psychiatrist and not many patients as in other departments.
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Thanks for the input. I didn't thought of going GH. This is a good alternative choice.
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Yes that's why we will go for 1st session next week.

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I told my dr yes I want the monkey mind to be control first before my condition worsens, my symptoms is getting severe and affected my life.
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I do agree the influential with positive groups .
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AFAIK, government psychiatrist, need to queue and wait for weeks to get an appointment = monkey mind may be already "dead" before the appointment date.
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that's a misconception of having to wait long

you will be surprised how fast they will call you for an appointment.

maybe for other departments, then i'd agree with you but it is quite fast for psychiatry dept, maybe because not many ppl are aware of the need to see a psychiatrist and not many patients as in other departments.
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How fast is your fast in getting an appointment to see a psychiatrist at a government hospital.?
....... AFAIK, the fastest is about 2 weeks after referral from a private psychiatrist or clinic GP doctor or RM1 KKM/govt doctor, except for emergency psychotic cases.

https://www.ramlimusa.com/cara-mendapat-raw...akar-psikiatri/ - Cara Mendapat Rawatan Pakar Psikiatri di Kuantan dan di Malaysia Amnya
by Prof Dr Ramli Musa - 27 June 2018

.... Rawatan di klinik swasta ada kelebihan. Antaranya tidak perlu menunggu lama untuk temujanji pertama. ...
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Depression and anxiety ruined my life. Quit my studies and work because of it. Now I'm just rotting away at home crying how my life would've been different if I'm not sick. Gonna be 32 this year with nothing to show. I just smoke away so that I can get heart attack. For me there's no way out. I hope you will find a way out.
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Hello, i do read all helpful inputs, but maybe due to medications. Mentally quite exhausted to answer all. Because I sleepy whole day. I did read, just take some times to digest.
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How fast is your fast in getting an appointment to see a psychiatrist at a government hospital.?
....... AFAIK, the fastest is about 2 weeks after referral from a private psychiatrist or clinic GP doctor or RM1 KKM/govt doctor, except for emergency psychotic cases.

https://www.ramlimusa.com/cara-mendapat-raw...akar-psikiatri/ - Cara Mendapat Rawatan Pakar Psikiatri di Kuantan dan di Malaysia Amnya
by Prof Dr Ramli Musa  - 27 June 2018

.... Rawatan di klinik swasta ada kelebihan. Antaranya tidak perlu menunggu lama untuk temujanji pertama.  ...
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From what I know is one week after giving in your letter. Unless u go those hospital in the city centre, then probably a longer waiting time.
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perhaps you did not live your life according to your inner voice.

I have been through your situation, still on medication with gomen hospital.

if you know chinese, you can listen to Dr Hsu Tien Sheng video on youtube, and pick up meditation, that helps me a lot, I also practise qi gong, that also helps.
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QUOTE(lovecats @ Jan 10 2025, 02:33 PM)
Depression and anxiety ruined my life. Quit my studies and work because of it. Now I'm just rotting away at home crying how my life would've been different if I'm not sick. Gonna be 32 this year with nothing to show. I just smoke away so that I can get heart attack. For me there's no way out. I hope you will find a way out.
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We may not have the same issue but you are not alone.
I am not a normal person. I am going to be 39y this year with ntg. Life has been stagnant in every aspect. Feels like trapped since born. Often wish I could be diff like everyone else.. achieving some milestones in their life. The only way out is to accept it is what it is by changing perspective or just wasting away..
I am in between and it is a struggle.

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QUOTE(kawa_e @ Jan 10 2025, 03:47 PM)
We may not have the same issue but you are not alone.
I am not a normal person. I am going to be 39y this year with ntg. Life has been stagnant in every aspect. Feels like trapped since born. Often wish I could be diff like everyone else.. achieving some milestones in their life. The only way out is to accept it is what it is by changing perspective or just wasting away..
I am in between and it is a struggle.
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Hey thanks. It's nice to know I'm not alone. Really appreciate it.

I'm in between too and it's hard. Giving up is playing in my mind most of the time

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Whenever I starts the monkey mind, I exercise. Recently stopped due to mind fatigue. Too tired until i able to sleep whole day. But the mind is restlsss, which caused me worst
Thanks for the encouragement, I will force myself to workout again. True, we complicated life, and life is too short to waste our time. I don't want to give myself too many excuses without trying.

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Being in a relationship is the most tired thing I ever done. White flag for me. 放过我 T.T
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TS, could you elaborate on the second statement, it seems like its a huge contributing factor to your depression and anxiety
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No...

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Yes that's why we will go for 1st session next week.

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I told my dr yes I want the monkey mind to be control first before my condition worsens, my symptoms is getting severe and affected my life.
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Not to worry. Personally I have seen a few close people with anxiety/depression and with professional psychiatrist treatment, they are all well and back to normal daily life.
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Hi ning, and others with similar issues
Just to add on a bit,
A) you mention repeatedly that you have a monkey brain (adhd, ocd as well? ) issue and you want to resolve that first. Just my comments, just be open that you may need to resolve some other deep rooted issue.
B) some commenter here focus on psychological help with medical, but never really described their own personal experience
C) as someone that went to usmc for a while, I can tell you that you will likely (ymmv) experience a clear difference in the beginning due to a combination of meds (most likely some anti depressant of the ssri type, some sleep/relaxant combo, etc). But eventually I don't really feel it's impact anymore after my other solutions become stronger.
D) don't put too much expectations on the psychology part, I didn't at least. I will leave this part for you, depending on how much fund you have (consulting charges).
E) use multiple solutions at once. 2 or more ways to win, no way to lose.Mental, physical, family/friends (reliable ones) and spiritual (this one hits hard for me)
F) create a routine that you can do consistently, and don't drop off. Even I feel like depression creeping if I got lazy in certain aspects

Have a blessed day

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QUOTE(lovecats @ Jan 10 2025, 03:51 PM)
Hey thanks. It's nice to know I'm not alone. Really appreciate it.

I'm in between too and it's hard. Giving up is playing in my mind most of the time
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Thank you too.
If the decision or things are life changing events (at least for me) then I guess it will take time or not.
I have been in this position for the longest time. Sometime I feel like if I don't make any changes then I will live a life like this until death takes me. Therefore it isn't a normalcy. Other ppl have it easily.
Been to counsellor for almost a year. Not sure whether is my issue or her but things are still stagnant.
I am still the same before and after meeting her. Like a high schooler only broken and older.
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Like a high schooler only broken and older.
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This resonate with me so much. This is me for a long time.


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QUOTE(kawa_e @ Jan 11 2025, 12:35 PM)
Thank you too.
If the decision or things are life changing events (at least for me) then I guess it will take time or not.
I have been in this position for the longest time. Sometime I feel like if I don't make any changes then I will live a life like this until death takes me. Therefore it isn't a normalcy. Other ppl have it easily.
Been to counsellor for almost a year. Not sure whether is my issue or her but things are still stagnant.
I am still the same before and after meeting her. Like a high schooler only broken and older.
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I'm assuming you are male. Contemporary psychologist / counsellor unfortunately does not do much to help males because we are men of action, we must take action to solve the root cause of our issue which often is not easy, if feasible at all. Unlike women can often talk their way out and let the issue fixes itself.

I assume your counsellor is probably the kind that tells you don't worry be happy there are people have it worse than you tomorrow will be better that kind of cliche stuff.

Sorry if I'm wrong on my assumptions. But take care regardless
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1 thing I learned is not to stop taking the medication because "I'm feeling better now, I think I'll do fine". It is rookie mistake.

I have accepted that my brain needed something extra just to make me able to function like regular people. At first it feels like I'm some sort of pussy that not able to rawdog the world. But then I realized, this pills are sort of 'crutches' for my mental - just like people with broken bones need external support. So it's nothing wrong needing to take medications to help with what you're lacking.

So far this time is the longest time I stick with the appointments - it has been a little more than a year and half now. First diagnosed probably a decade ago, with symptoms appearing way earlier than that. I can say for sure that I do definitely feeling better.
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QUOTE(Chanwsan @ Jan 11 2025, 05:49 PM)
I'm assuming you are male. Contemporary psychologist / counsellor unfortunately does not do much to help males because we are men of action, we must take action to solve the root cause of our issue which often is not easy, if feasible at all. Unlike women can often talk their way out and let the issue fixes itself.
Counsellor that I went to only listen to me venting. When things get stuck for so long, it may become permanent. I am quite resenting how my life turns out. I cant blame anyone as it is my choice. I have a choice and I chose to stay in it. So I only get to pick "suck it up or leave"

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I assume your counsellor is probably the kind that tells you don't worry be happy there are people have it worse than you tomorrow will be better that kind of cliche stuff.

Sorry if I'm wrong on my assumptions. But take care regardless
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QUOTE(lovecats @ Jan 10 2025, 02:33 PM)
Depression and anxiety ruined my life. Quit my studies and work because of it. Now I'm just rotting away at home crying how my life would've been different if I'm not sick. Gonna be 32 this year with nothing to show. I just smoke away so that I can get heart attack. For me there's no way out. I hope you will find a way out.
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QUOTE(anakkk @ Jan 10 2025, 02:39 PM)
perhaps you did not live your life according to your inner voice.

I have been through your situation, still on medication with gomen hospital.

if you know chinese, you can listen to Dr Hsu Tien Sheng video on youtube, and pick up meditation, that helps me a lot, I also practise qi gong, that also helps.
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May I know hows the environment at gomen? I can't accept the environment at GH and KK.

QUOTE(kawa_e @ Jan 10 2025, 03:47 PM)
We may not have the same issue but you are not alone.
I am not a normal person. I am going to be 39y this year with ntg. Life has been stagnant in every aspect. Feels like trapped since born. Often wish I could be diff like everyone else.. achieving some milestones in their life. The only way out is to accept it is what it is by changing perspective or just wasting away..
I am in between and it is a struggle.
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I think we all achieve milestones at certain part. Like me, currently Im quite stagnant in my career, but its what I want, work life balance.
This 3 months I've been actively cycling, just hit 200km ride yesterday. That's an achievement for me. What pushed me further is, start small, just do it.
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QUOTE(lovecats @ Jan 10 2025, 03:51 PM)
Hey thanks. It's nice to know I'm not alone. Really appreciate it.

I'm in between too and it's hard. Giving up is playing in my mind most of the time
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Please don't give up. For so many times I feel like dying, I tell myself, just give it last shot.

QUOTE(rayeonlee @ Jan 10 2025, 04:37 PM)
TS, could you elaborate on the second statement, it seems like its a huge contributing factor to your depression and anxiety
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I've been giving out alot in a relationship especially money, thus I will have high expectations, perhaps same return. We are totally different personality and family background. However, I realised that I couldnt change a person. For now, I just want to make a peace to the old story, acceptance of different human personality.

QUOTE(Super2047 @ Jan 10 2025, 07:13 PM)
Not to worry. Personally I have seen a few close people with anxiety/depression and with professional psychiatrist treatment, they are all well and back to normal daily life.
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Yes. Hopefully.
That day when I came out from the room, I saw other patients which conditions much more severe than me. Like totally cannot themselves, lying on the chair with unknown, another one keep on blinking her eyes.
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QUOTE(Ruris @ Jan 11 2025, 10:24 AM)
Hi ning, and others with similar issues
Just to add on a bit,
A) you mention repeatedly that you have a monkey brain (adhd, ocd as well? ) issue and you want to resolve that first. Just my comments,  just be open that you may need to resolve some other deep rooted issue.
B) some commenter here focus on psychological help with medical, but never really described their own personal experience
C) as someone that went to usmc for a while, I can tell you that you will likely (ymmv) experience a clear difference in the beginning due to a combination of meds (most likely some anti depressant of the ssri type, some sleep/relaxant combo, etc). But eventually I don't really feel it's impact anymore after my other solutions become stronger.
D) don't put too much expectations on the psychology part, I didn't at least. I will leave this part for you, depending on how much fund you have (consulting charges).
E) use multiple solutions at once. 2 or more ways to win, no way to lose.Mental, physical, family/friends (reliable ones) and spiritual (this one hits hard for me)
F) create a routine that you can do consistently, and don't drop off. Even I feel like depression creeping if I got lazy in certain aspects

Have a blessed day
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Hello Ruris. I dont have OCD, or ADHD. I always try to understand my own feeling, reflecting myself. But I do get some cooling period to make sure I dont confused my own feelings. However I think this time the medication is quite impactful that I became forgetful. Normally I will tell my psychiatrist what do I think, what I wanna do next and ask for opinion. Don't feel like wasting our time and money.

She asked me how I feel for the session today. I told her: It was getting tense, and my anxiety level is getting up.
Its really mind fatigue after the session and I slept whole afternoon again.

In reality life, when I without my partner, Im truly ok. But when with him, everything became uneasy again. I guess that's the part need to be fix.

QUOTE(Steponlego @ Jan 11 2025, 08:26 PM)
1 thing I learned is not to stop taking the medication because "I'm feeling better now, I think I'll do fine". It is rookie mistake.

I have accepted that my brain needed something extra just to make me able to function like regular people. At first it feels like I'm some sort of pussy that not able to rawdog the world. But then I realized, this pills are sort of 'crutches' for my mental - just like people with broken bones need external support. So it's nothing wrong needing to take medications to help with what you're lacking.

So far this time is the longest time I stick with the appointments - it has been a little more than a year and half now. First diagnosed probably a decade ago, with symptoms appearing way earlier than that. I can say for sure that I do definitely feeling better.
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True, I agree that medication is important, dont stop because Im feeling better. I did that 7 years ago.

And I also learned that we must express our feeling, hiding emotions will lead to bigger boom.

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Yes I think before, when I search back the drug name. I cant remember clearly as it was too long ago.

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If Im not married, yes I can end it immediately.

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Yes you got on point 1, & 2. Yes I write to break down my thoughts, my feeling as the medicine side effects hit me quite hard for this time.
At a point when I feel so monkey mind, I workout like day and night, twice daily until I really drained myself.


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Yes I just finished one course of nexium. Does this affect?

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Thanks all. After 7 days medication I'm better. So I try to reply all when I'm ok. As medication hit hard on mind, I get fatigue easily and forgetful. Today just finished 1st session so, next week will meet up again with my Dr. I got some thoughts in my mind already, need to f2f discuss with her to see how to improve the situations.

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QUOTE(kawa_e @ Jan 10 2025, 11:45 AM)
How old are you TS if mind asking ? Early 20/30 or late 20/30.

By the way as another member said you need a psychologist/counsellor/therapist because physiatrist will just keep giving you pills to temporarily rest your mind. You need to solve the root cause to this. If relationship is the issue, perhaps look for couple therapy. I wish you well.

I went to my usual GP and was prescribed Xanax. I am almost to the point of abusing it because the dosage given to me no longer works. I don't really depend on it now because I still have to face my issues the next day.

I am in my late 30s here and dealing with stagnant life (in every aspect)
I feel like I have to live this way on autopilot until my last breathe for my sanity. Sometimes when the body and mind can no longer take it, you will be numb automatically as a way to cope.
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QUOTE(kawa_e @ Jan 10 2025, 03:47 PM)
We may not have the same issue but you are not alone.
I am not a normal person. I am going to be 39y this year with ntg. Life has been stagnant in every aspect. Feels like trapped since born. Often wish I could be diff like everyone else.. achieving some milestones in their life. The only way out is to accept it is what it is by changing perspective or just wasting away..
I am in between and it is a struggle.
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QUOTE(Boomwick @ Jan 12 2025, 12:42 PM)
Talk about lung cancer, Smoking also not yet ban
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Just curious you all depress due to GF, foreveralone, feel life too average, feeling old like those 30s 40s only few decade life yet achieve nothing.


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QUOTE(fist_Aileron @ Jan 10 2025, 10:57 AM)
Thats a contributing factor..major or minor. There are a lot more contributing factor TS is aware or unaware of. Insight only can be gained with knowledge. If the mind and body is strong, emotion will be more resilliant.
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True. From my experience it is unlikely a single factor will cause depression. Need multi factors combine to cause depression
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Yes I've been forcing myself to workout. Until my workout is improving like lighting speed.

Indeed letting go is important, I want to make peace to the past. Wanted to discuss with my Dr next round on this topic.

Maybe you can elaborate more on taming the monkey brain part to me?


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Thanks, I will try it out. So far in our list I done on sunshine part. Supplements not yet.

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I have one friend say the exactly same thing. Problem is people touch my body, but my mind still monkey inside.

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I must admit that my mind is weak. Always try to have mind > emotion. Some years I do feel good, but when the bad moment returns, feel like all my hard work to have strong mind ruined again in a second.

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Im in my mid 30s, imagine I started in lyn since 2005. 20 years passed.

What do you mean by stagnant? Or perhaps, in other words, you got a simple life.
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Try going out frequently. No need to spend any money when you go outside

I mean, just walk around the park, or anywhere else.

It's part of activity that can reduce the depression and anxiety
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QUOTE(NinG @ Jan 13 2025, 08:28 PM)
Thanks all. After 7 days medication I'm better. So I try to reply all when I'm ok. As medication hit hard on mind, I get fatigue easily and forgetful. Today just finished 1st session so, next week will meet up again with my Dr. I got some thoughts in my mind already, need to f2f discuss with her to see how to improve the situations.
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So u are M and other half is F
Got issue 1 & 2 la..

Huhu..
This one issue 1 & 2, only solution is upfront tell ur other half on it..

If she cannot change, then you have to change for your own betterment..

Goodluck.. hope will turn out good
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TS you quoted this in one of your reply.

"In reality life, when I without my partner, Im truly ok. But when with him, everything became uneasy again. I guess that's the part need to be fix"

Have you thought of a cooling period without him, not under same roof? You are married, any kids?


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QUOTE(NinG @ Jan 13 2025, 07:45 PM)
For me, if I have problems, I will keep on finding way to solve it. It maybe good, maybe bad.
May I know hows the environment at gomen? I can't accept the environment at GH and KK.
I think we all achieve milestones at certain part. Like me, currently Im quite stagnant in my career, but its what I want, work life balance.
This 3 months I've been actively cycling, just hit 200km ride yesterday. That's an achievement for me. What pushed me further is, start small, just do it.
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depends on which hospital you go, I going to Kajang one, small hospital.

one thing for sure, parking is bad, treatment is cheap RM5, just that every time my appointment, I am seeing diff doctor :X
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Its my thought as well. I've been telling him I want to move back to my parents house, and I do tell my Dr too, she told me that perhaps will worsens because I tend to runaway, its not solving the problem. We got one child, my intention try not to affect my kid. For this week, I can temporary let this go this topic as Im out for business trip for a week.
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QUOTE(anakkk @ Jan 13 2025, 09:20 PM)
depends on which hospital you go, I going to Kajang one, small hospital.

one thing for sure, parking is bad, treatment is cheap RM5, just that every time my appointment, I am seeing diff doctor :X
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I decided give chance to my private Dr today (she mentioned maybe around 6 sessions) after we discussed about money vs cost-effectiveness.
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I decided give chance to my private Dr today (she mentioned maybe around 6 sessions) after we discussed about money vs cost-effectiveness.
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anxiety and depression are like twins, I got anxiety initially then turn into depression after a few months.

there are things I did as my experience, for myself only. everyone might have diff personality.

1. stop reading news, watch TV, stay away from social media, as these are the main spreader of negative news. Up to one point, I can't even watch comedy, I don't find it funny, and it affect my mood as some scene are sad. Social media show my friend happiness, then I feel envy.

2. Treat myself better, as I am introvert, I always give others priority. after I got anxiety, and I went for wellness class, that is what I learn. I learn to say no.

3. talk to your partner, as my wife and I has diff personality, I tried to analyse, I found out I have anxiety too when I was kids, I always worry of my family, my mom, think for them more than myself, I took the responsibility of the family, no sharing with my siblings. Probably I carry too much. My wife is more outspoken person, and after sometimes she accepted my anxiety.

4. Financial matters, I was not good during that time, salary was not too high, can survive, but most of my friends are earning much more than I do, I learn to stop comparing. appreciate what I have. and I have debts as well that time.

5. Be grateful of good and bad things happened to me, look at it from higher level. Look at things with positive side. everything happens for a reason. what am I learning from that incident.

6. Learn about acceptance. Accept that I am timid, I do not need to show I am macho, let go of my face, accept I am no good, accept I am scare to die. accpet the darkside of myself, accept I have envy, hatred.

7. learn to meditate to focus on this moment, instead of thinking too much of what happen next seconds, tomorrow, future.

8. let go of what I cannot control. like flight delay, traffic jam and so on.

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Which SSRI were you on?
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I know what's it like to have depression as I'm going through it right now. Trying to numb it by overworking while also secretly hoping that I'll overwork myself to death someday just so i could free myself frm this mental issue.
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I battled depression for 20 years and struggled with anxiety for about 2 years. I'll skip the long story; too dark, sad and gloomy. It's a closed chapter now.

My main point is, by age 32, I overcame my mental illness without medication. Here’s what I discovered in my healing journey:

1) Strong Will and Firm Decision
I made a firm decision to heal because I was fed up with my mental illness. I told my brain and body that they had the ability to recover fully from depression and anxiety, and I would support them with rest, nutrition, fresh air, sunlight, and meaningful activities. I treated my mind and body like partners in the healing process.

2) Reaffirmations
When negative thoughts flooded in, telling me I was "useless" or "hopeless," I rejected them and commanded them to shut up. Then, I replaced them with positive reaffirmations like "I am strong and resilient", "I can overcome this", "I love myself". By constantly reaffirming these beliefs, I started to reshape my mindset. I chose what I wanted to believe in.

3) Allow Myself to Feel, But Rise Again
I gave myself space to feel weak and cry when I needed to, but I never let that define me. My pain and tears were temporary, not my truth. I couldn't change my past, but I took full responsibility for my present and future. After every breakdown, I made sure to get up again and keep moving forward.

4) Avoid Triggers
I changed my environment by cutting off toxic relationships and letting go of anything that brought back bad memories. I replaced those with healthier social circles and activities that brought me happiness and peace.

5) Healthy Coping Mechanisms
I created a new SOP for handling emotions. Whenever I felt overwhelmed, I turned to deep breathing, meditation, journaling, praying, drawing, or colouring. These became my tools to process emotions and stay grounded. I usually did them before I went to sleep.

6) Sleep Early
I made sleep a priority, going to bed as early as 10 pm. I found that sleeping late leads to a wandering mind and emotional vulnerability. Sleep became my sanctuary for mental recovery.

7) Take Supplements and Eat Healthy
I started taking pharmaceutical-grade supplements and ashwagandha (Indian ginseng), an adaptogen that helps regulate cortisol levels and reduces stress. I also focused on eating anti-inflammatory foods to support my body's recovery from stress-induced inflammation.

8) Do Things Slowly and Let Go of Petty Concerns
In situations like traffic jams, instead of getting frustrated, I turned those moments into opportunities for meditation, prayer, or gratitude exercises. Slowing down helped me keep my mind calm.

9) Simplify and Let Go of Overthinking
I stopped overthinking, which wasn’t easy at first. I used to obsess over worst-case scenarios, but I learned that overthinking only creates more problems. I accepted that 80% is good enough, and perfectionism no longer drives me.

10) Be Less Judgmental and See the Good
I stopped labeling my days as “good” or “bad” and learned to release judgment. Accepting things as they are brought me more peace. When I stopped having constant opinions about everything, my mind quieted down, and with that, my emotions became more balanced.


These changes transformed my life and helped me rise out of depression and anxiety. It started with a strong will and a firm decision to heal fully; took me about 2 years to fully heal, in my case.

There were relapses at first, but over time, the frequency, intensity and duration reduced. Then, one day, I just felt I was like a normal person again with stable emotions and positive thoughts, even during unforeseen challenges in life.

I feel happy and vibrant most of the time nowadays. My friends witnessed my change and said I looked prettier with glow on my face, compared to the sad gloomy look that I used to have.

Just sharing my personal journey.
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QUOTE(christychew @ Jan 14 2025, 12:33 AM)
I battled depression for 20 years and struggled with anxiety for about 2 years. I'll skip the long story; too dark, sad and gloomy. It's a closed chapter now.

My main point is, by age 32, I overcame my mental illness without medication. Here’s what I discovered in my healing journey:

1) Strong Will and Firm Decision
I made a firm decision to heal because I was fed up with my mental illness. I told my brain and body that they had the ability to recover fully from depression and anxiety, and I would support them with rest, nutrition, fresh air, sunlight, and meaningful activities. I treated my mind and body like partners in the healing process.

2) Reaffirmations
When negative thoughts flooded in, telling me I was "useless" or "hopeless," I rejected them and commanded them to shut up. Then, I replaced them with positive reaffirmations like "I am strong and resilient", "I can overcome this", "I love myself". By constantly reaffirming these beliefs, I started to reshape my mindset. I chose what I wanted to believe in.

3) Allow Myself to Feel, But Rise Again
I gave myself space to feel weak and cry when I needed to, but I never let that define me. My pain and tears were temporary, not my truth. I couldn't change my past, but I took full responsibility for my present and future. After every breakdown, I made sure to get up again and keep moving forward.

4) Avoid Triggers
I changed my environment by cutting off toxic relationships and letting go of anything that brought back bad memories. I replaced those with healthier social circles and activities that brought me happiness and peace.

5) Healthy Coping Mechanisms
I created a new SOP for handling emotions. Whenever I felt overwhelmed, I turned to deep breathing, meditation, journaling, praying, drawing, or colouring. These became my tools to process emotions and stay grounded. I usually did them before I went to sleep.

6) Sleep Early
I made sleep a priority, going to bed as early as 10 pm. I found that sleeping late leads to a wandering mind and emotional vulnerability. Sleep became my sanctuary for mental recovery.

7) Take Supplements and Eat Healthy
I started taking pharmaceutical-grade supplements and ashwagandha (Indian ginseng), an adaptogen that helps regulate cortisol levels and reduces stress. I also focused on eating anti-inflammatory foods to support my body's recovery from stress-induced inflammation.

8) Do Things Slowly and Let Go of Petty Concerns
In situations like traffic jams, instead of getting frustrated, I turned those moments into opportunities for meditation, prayer, or gratitude exercises. Slowing down helped me keep my mind calm.

9) Simplify and Let Go of Overthinking
I stopped overthinking, which wasn’t easy at first. I used to obsess over worst-case scenarios, but I learned that overthinking only creates more problems. I accepted that 80% is good enough, and perfectionism no longer drives me.

10) Be Less Judgmental and See the Good
I stopped labeling my days as “good” or “bad” and learned to release judgment. Accepting things as they are brought me more peace. When I stopped having constant opinions about everything, my mind quieted down, and with that, my emotions became more balanced.
These changes transformed my life and helped me rise out of depression and anxiety. It started with a strong will and a firm decision to heal fully; took me about 2 years to fully heal, in my case.

There were relapses at first, but over time, the frequency, intensity and duration reduced. Then, one day, I just felt I was like a normal person again with stable emotions and positive thoughts, even during unforeseen challenges in life. 

I feel happy and vibrant most of the time nowadays. My friends witnessed my change and said I looked prettier with glow on my face, compared to the sad gloomy look that I used to have.

Just sharing my personal journey.
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Referring to the writeup by @christychew,
A) mostly agree, I implement a lot of the same solution
B) however, if you have difficulty believing in yourself, which could be common, as you may not have achieved much in life. Then your logical mind may think, wait, what am I hanging on to, I wasn't a star student, athlete etc.
C) then do consider believing in something greater to yourself (ie big G). Whatever you believe in should embody great moral values, behaviour and infallible. Hang on to that instead or at least consider it.
D) just to put things in perspective, I was working in the Sap consulting industry and had a bit of success (before I had mental issue) . I could have fall back to the idea that I cna achieve the same again or choose to believe in a different "system"
E) as always, more ways to win is better
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I must admit that my mind is weak. Always try to have mind > emotion. Some years I do feel good, but when the bad moment returns, feel like all my hard work to have strong mind ruined again in a second.

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Im in my mid 30s, imagine I started in lyn since 2005. 20 years passed.

What do you mean by stagnant? Or perhaps, in other words, you got a simple life.
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Focus on your body first. Your mind will be more at ease.

Particularly your gut health.

You can search on gut brain axis.
Leaky gut --leaky brain
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QUOTE(Ruris @ Jan 14 2025, 11:10 AM)
B) however, if you have difficulty believing in yourself, which could be common, as you may not have achieved much in life. Then your logical mind may think, wait, what am I hanging on to, I wasn't a star student, athlete etc.
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To further add for everyone's benefit, positive affirmations don't have to be focused on personal strengths or achievements. They can be about good choices and good emotions that will help in the healing process.

Examples:

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I make a conscious effort to appreciate the beauty in life, no matter how small. By focusing on the positive aspects of every situation, I cultivate gratitude and joy.

Negativity can drain my energy and affect my mood. Instead, I choose to release negative thoughts and emotions and welcome peace and happiness into my life.

I am committed to creating a life that brings me joy and satisfaction.

I choose to treat myself with kindness and understanding, even when facing difficult times.

I forgive myself for past mistakes and focus on the present moment.

My heart, mind, and life are open to change. Each moment of this new day brings opportunities for happiness.
Can google positive affirmations specially for depression, anxiety, self-esteem, for men, for women, motivation, etc... a lot online.

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For me, positive affirmations work because they help replace and reduce the negative self-talk I used to experience. For affirmations I truly believe in or feel are important, I print them out and paste them on the wall, or save them on my phone as images. I keep them somewhere visible and easily accessible, so when depressive or anxious episodes arise, I have something tangible to calm my chaotic mind.

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Our brains and bodies are hardwired to survive, but they need the right tools and care to help us heal and thrive. Part of this healing journey is being kind and understanding with ourselves, instead of expecting to always be "up" or perfect all the time.
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Focus on your body first. Your mind will be more at ease.

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Focus on your body first. Your mind will be more at ease.

Particularly your gut health.

You can search on gut brain axis.
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No fighting journey. Totally stressed out at work with no good prospect. Have been feeling extremely lethargic and dread going to work since few months ago. Any amount of off days also can't seem to replenish my energy. Don't feel like talking to anyone. Even started to lose motivation to exercise.

Doctor treats me like some MC scammer strawberry. I can feel my end soon.
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I'm going through the exact same thing, my workout routine has been slacking a lot. I try my best to ignore that feeling but I find gaming to be something fulfilling in a way, it helps fill that empty hole in a void for me at least.
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QUOTE(lIAmLegendl @ Jan 15 2025, 12:46 AM)
I'm going through the exact same thing, my workout routine has been slacking a lot. I try my best to ignore that feeling but I find gaming to be something fulfilling in a way, it helps fill that empty hole in a void for me at least.
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Good to hear you have found at least something fulfilling and hope it keeps you going. I have unfortunately even lost the mood to game. Nowadays I just do the mindless shopi, lesapda quests to farm coins, or stare into YouTube videos without knowing what I'm even watching
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I think we all achieve milestones at certain part. Like me, currently Im quite stagnant in my career, but its what I want, work life balance.
This 3 months I've been actively cycling, just hit 200km ride yesterday. That's an achievement for me. What pushed me further is, start small, just do it.
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2 decades have been the same. Not joking or even pessimistic because this is fact for me. I look older and maybe a bit mature but other than everything is the same. I am not moving up in career. I took a more relaxing job after my first job. Too relaxing isn't so much better because our pay isn't on par with inflation.
I have been working out for some time but not seeing any improvement. Perhaps I should take it that going to the gym consistently is an improvement.


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Depression and anxiety are mostly financial insecurity, if you have abundance, you won't be depressed, facts of life. So suggest pick up new skill, try, yes try first before you change to another profession that pay more

Another reason is cause by SO aka spouse, this one no suggestion, just good luck

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Hi, my friend has Anxiety because the “political problem” she scared PAS take over the country 😅. She see the psychiatrist but still no work. How can I’m help her

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Hi, my friend has Anxiety because the “political problem” she scared PAS take over the country 😅. She see the psychiatrist but still no work. How can I’m help her
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QUOTE(kawa_e @ Jan 15 2025, 11:23 AM)
2 decades have been the same. Not joking or even pessimistic because this is fact for me. I look older and maybe a bit mature but other than everything is the same. I am not moving up in career. I took a more relaxing job after my first job. Too relaxing isn't so much better because our pay isn't on par with inflation.
I have been working out for some time but not seeing any improvement. Perhaps I should take it that going to the gym consistently is an improvement.
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I'm also considering exploring change to a less stressful career than my current one. But thinking about the process that I will have to go through gives me anxiety...
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Had mine when i was in my 20s, because of me too stubborn and stupid to accept reality then move on.

Met a girl > liked her > get friendzoned > still clinging on hope that she'll accept me one day if i stay on her side AKA continue simping > finally realising i've been failing for so long and getting tired > cut off contact with her > suffering from depression

Sometimes we have PH like 2 days then weekend right? For example PH on Thursday and Friday then weekend, 4 days off. When this happened, i lost track of time and date. Woke up rushing to shower and get ready, after awhile then i realised it was PH. During 4 days off, didn't even talk or text anyone. I play video games, can't even focus though it just a simple CSGO game. It was horrifying, until i understand why people committed suicide. It's like you reached at this place where you finally understand why people say this place sucks, then you just kind of wanna give up and stay at this shithole. Working performance wise was horrible, my senior realising this plus that time we lacked of staff so he and my manager advice me go see a therapist as they need me to get back on my feet. I still remember the place is in PJ, nice office and comfortable. Old lady, at first i was stubborn and kind of refuse to open up. I go there once every 2 week, eventually i opened up and share what's going on with me. I was crying when telling the therapist how much i love that girl, then so on and so forth. She helped guided me to get out of this then advice me to do some healthy and positive activities that is suitable for me. The question she kept asking me is that what is it i want or desired, beside finding a love partnet. I told her that when i was young, seeing Michael Schumacher racing in sepang and get 1st place is what i want to experience at least once. Unfortunately Michael retires long ago but sepang still there, so i still have a chance to experience this. There i go, alone to sepang during their merdeka endurance race. I don't know how to get into the pit, so i just seat at the viewer area. That was an eye opening experience for me, seating at the spot where people watching F1 race and hearing those loud car passing by really make free me up. At that time, i feel no sadness but all pure joy like a liitle kid going to disneyland. Tears of joy of disbelief and i was saved right at that moment, after months of suffering hating everything in my life then now i get to feel the joy again. It was right at that moment, i made a decision that i will be driving in sepang which i did multiple times. Participated in time attack and won some trophies, feels invisible at then.

Do i still try to find love partner, well i do and failed miserably. Lol even write some post in cupid corner asking for advice, after all i went through those rejection aren't so painful anymore. It does hurt in the beginning, after like a week or 2 then i be fine again. Not sure if i'm getting stronger or mentally stable or able to control my emotion much better, but i sure know that i'll get pass through rejection much better than before.

Nowadays i just do more workout at the gym like 5 - 6 times a week just doing HIIT exercises. Even participated the NISSAN redline games last year 2024, it's kind of like Hyrox but less extreme. Body fat reduced from 29% to 17% now since November, i even made a target to get like Sebastion Stan's winter solder physic by this April. Start eating and drinking healthily, cook my own meal make my own fruit smoothies etc. Sure feel better, start taking care of myself and hygiene. No funny smell, use deodarant everytime before leaving house.

End of 2025 to get my own house, keeping my ccris/ctos all 0 so i can get housing loan. After 2 - 3 years i should be living in my very own place, no more paying rent.
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Can anyone share your experience in fighting against depression and anxiety? Sorry Mod, I tried to search in mental group but it seems to be active long ago so posted in serious /k.

I feel like roller coaster for the past 6 years, recently my condition is getting severe. I only took my medication for the 1st year then stopped, these few years tried on self control. I've been keeping myself busy, further studies, start up business, work harder, religion supports, but my emotions stil unstable while controllable.

Recently my condition worsens drastically so decided visit physiatrist 2 days ago. I told my dr that I just want to get my monkey mind a good rest. However after the medication, I couldn't work as my mind is totally numbed, knackered and nausea. Due to the side effects, I throw up like nobody business today.

I'm meeting my physiatrist again next monday to see if can solve my root cause to ease my conditions. I try not to be dependent on sleeping pills. Basically 2025 my most important plan is religion support, continue workout, further studies again (new title), pick up my old hobbies. Love myself more as I've been neglecting myself. I not sure if keeping myself busy works for my conditions? Most probably no more business again this year as I'm really out of hand.

Can I have sharings of your journey? At least I know I'm not alone or maybe brainstorming on certain part I probably missed out. This point, I'm feeling very very very super duper sick, felt like standing side of a cliff and it really took me alot of courage to type this out because maybe there is other perspectives which im missing out. Please don't bash me. I just need help.

Mod may remove this topic if inappropriate here. Thanks.
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well, try to go for a trip by yourself or with your friends, and without your partner. You need to communicate with him that you will not be receiving any calls from him, and only whatsapp is allowed.

try to free your mind first, since you already identify that the main source of your anxiety.

concentrate on yourself, do not need to think about the relationship, that is the least of your concern, because currently your mental health is in a bad state which need much higher priority even compare to marriage. whether you continue or end the relationship doesnt matter, it is not a question to ask now.

take your partner and the state of your relationship out of your mind. continue to live your life the way you want and see how things goes.

I mean there are people still married, but the 2 lives totally different lives. Just go with minimal contact for the time being.


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Hello all, thank you for all the sharings. I know that Im not alone. I will be stop updating about myself here but I do hope this thread can continue help the rest.

Let us continue to strive. Thank you, Ning.
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QUOTE(parisiansky @ Jan 13 2025, 10:38 PM)
I know what's it like to have depression as I'm going through it right now. Trying to numb it by overworking while also secretly hoping that I'll overwork myself to death someday just so i could  free myself frm this mental issue.
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Hello. If your condition worsens, please visit a therapist / counsellor / physiatrist.. dont get drowned into your own loop hole. I can't give very good advise also but I sincerely wish you can get help.. some of lyn sharings is really good.
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Hi, my friend has Anxiety because the “political problem” she scared PAS take over the country 😅. She see the psychiatrist but still no work. How can I’m help her
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Don't worry too much la. Warga Borneo are still here for to keep PAS in check.
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Don't worry too much la. Warga Borneo are still here for to keep PAS in check.
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If “trigger” is the poison , then “glimmer” is the antidote.

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Let the glimmer lead you way back in life.

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Why are you in depression?

You need to break it down to the root of problem
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Age and sex?

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I'm buddhism. I do bow to buddha daily (my homework). Yes I do camping as well, I will purposely choose the place with no connection. I agree with hiking and nature because it's what I loved to as well. Thanks for the suggestion, I've forgotten about this.
If you are a Buddhist, maybe you should listen to this guy who had gone through many cycles of depression before:




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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OOghQCAeqrE

If you're a non-Muslim and is willing for Jesus to help/heal you, just say the prayer repetitively "Most precious blood of Jesus Christ, save us and the whole world".
See the attached youtube link testimony. Go to minute 6 onwards.

Else, ignore this message.
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If you've been hurt in the past, you must forgive those who've hurt you, even your parents/family members.
It's a decision of your will, not a feeling.
Unforgiveness/resentment/anger/vengeance will leads to disease (mental and physical, including neuro disease (eg. stroke, parkinson, etc) + possible demonic infestation).
Forgiveness gives yourself a chance to let go of the person that hurts you, eventhough you don't know how.
Hurt people will hurt others.


Quote from Catholic Priest/Exorcist Fr. Vincent Lampert:

"People say, Father, I don’t feel like I love that person, yet I’m still angry.
That does not matter.
It does not matter.
You have to forgive, and it’s a decision.
You have an intellect and a will that makes you different from the animals on this planet.
It makes you in the image and likeness of God.
So you have to take your intellect and your will and use it to forgive.
So let’s say somebody hurts you and you still have bad feelings about it, it’s very simple.
You say, Lord, I did not like what John Doe did to me, but I’m choosing to forgive him.
And I ask you to forgive him, too. That’s it.
Memory of that event, it still makes me angry.
That’s fine.
That’s the Lord using you to get healing for the person who hurt you.
And you might think, well, oh, I don’t want to do that.
God wants to do it.
God uses the victim to heal.
He doesn’t think like we do."
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QUOTE(Napalm_man @ Jan 15 2025, 05:54 PM)
Had mine when i was in my 20s, because of me too stubborn and stupid to accept reality then move on.

Met a girl > liked her > get friendzoned > still clinging on hope that she'll accept me one day if i stay on her side AKA continue simping > finally realising i've been failing for so long and getting tired > cut off contact with her > suffering from depression

Sometimes we have PH like 2 days then weekend right? For example PH on Thursday and Friday then weekend, 4 days off. When this happened, i lost track of time and date. Woke up rushing to shower and get ready, after awhile then i realised it was PH. During 4 days off, didn't even talk or text anyone. I play video games, can't even focus though it just a simple CSGO game. It was horrifying, until i understand why people committed suicide. It's like you reached at this place where you finally understand why people say this place sucks, then you just kind of wanna give up and stay at this shithole. Working performance wise was horrible, my senior realising this plus that time we lacked of staff so he and my manager advice me go see a therapist as they need me to get back on my feet. I still remember the place is in PJ, nice office and comfortable. Old lady, at first i was stubborn and kind of refuse to open up. I go there once every 2 week, eventually i opened up and share what's going on with me. I was crying when telling the therapist how much i love that girl, then so on and so forth. She helped guided me to get out of this then advice me to do some healthy and positive activities that is suitable for me. The question she kept asking me is that what is it i want or desired, beside finding a love partnet. I told her that when i was young, seeing Michael Schumacher racing in sepang and get 1st place is what i want to experience at least once. Unfortunately Michael retires long ago but sepang still there, so i still have a chance to experience this. There i go, alone to sepang during their merdeka endurance race. I don't know how to get into the pit, so i just seat at the viewer area. That was an eye opening experience for me, seating at the spot where people watching F1 race and hearing those loud car passing by really make free me up. At that time, i feel no sadness but all pure joy like a liitle kid going to disneyland. Tears of joy of disbelief and i was saved right at that moment, after months of suffering hating everything in my life then now i get to feel the joy again. It was right at that moment, i made a decision that i will be driving in sepang which i did multiple times. Participated in time attack and won some trophies, feels invisible at then.

Do i still try to find love partner, well i do and failed miserably. Lol even write some post in cupid corner asking for advice, after all i went through those rejection aren't so painful anymore. It does hurt in the beginning, after like a week or 2 then i be fine again. Not sure if i'm getting stronger or mentally stable or able to control my emotion much better, but i sure know that i'll get pass through rejection much better than before.

Nowadays i just do more workout at the gym like 5 - 6 times a week just doing HIIT exercises. Even participated the NISSAN redline games last year 2024, it's kind of like Hyrox but less extreme. Body fat reduced from 29% to 17% now since November, i even made a target to get like Sebastion Stan's winter solder physic by this April. Start eating and drinking healthily, cook my own meal make my own fruit smoothies etc. Sure feel better, start taking care of myself and hygiene. No funny smell, use deodarant everytime before leaving house.

End of 2025 to get my own house, keeping my ccris/ctos all 0 so i can get housing loan. After 2 - 3 years i should be living in my very own place, no more paying rent.
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When you want to achieve something, you have to go through some hard bumps.

Michael Schumacher, may look like have a great life, but at the end, he is spending his life disabled in a bed, imprisoned in his own body, unable to communicate with his family, is worse than being paralyzed.

Paralyzed at least can speak.

So in order to be a better person, you need to go through those hard bumps, think of it, as an orientation to life.

Look at the bright side, you get to exercise 5-6 times a week. I myself am struggling to even find time to exercise 3 times a week because I have children obligations.


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QUOTE(christychew @ Jan 14 2025, 12:33 AM)
I battled depression for 20 years and struggled with anxiety for about 2 years. I'll skip the long story; too dark, sad and gloomy. It's a closed chapter now.

My main point is, by age 32, I overcame my mental illness without medication. Here’s what I discovered in my healing journey:

1) Strong Will and Firm Decision
I made a firm decision to heal because I was fed up with my mental illness. I told my brain and body that they had the ability to recover fully from depression and anxiety, and I would support them with rest, nutrition, fresh air, sunlight, and meaningful activities. I treated my mind and body like partners in the healing process.

2) Reaffirmations
When negative thoughts flooded in, telling me I was "useless" or "hopeless," I rejected them and commanded them to shut up. Then, I replaced them with positive reaffirmations like "I am strong and resilient", "I can overcome this", "I love myself". By constantly reaffirming these beliefs, I started to reshape my mindset. I chose what I wanted to believe in.

3) Allow Myself to Feel, But Rise Again
I gave myself space to feel weak and cry when I needed to, but I never let that define me. My pain and tears were temporary, not my truth. I couldn't change my past, but I took full responsibility for my present and future. After every breakdown, I made sure to get up again and keep moving forward.

4) Avoid Triggers
I changed my environment by cutting off toxic relationships and letting go of anything that brought back bad memories. I replaced those with healthier social circles and activities that brought me happiness and peace.

5) Healthy Coping Mechanisms
I created a new SOP for handling emotions. Whenever I felt overwhelmed, I turned to deep breathing, meditation, journaling, praying, drawing, or colouring. These became my tools to process emotions and stay grounded. I usually did them before I went to sleep.

6) Sleep Early
I made sleep a priority, going to bed as early as 10 pm. I found that sleeping late leads to a wandering mind and emotional vulnerability. Sleep became my sanctuary for mental recovery.

7) Take Supplements and Eat Healthy
I started taking pharmaceutical-grade supplements and ashwagandha (Indian ginseng), an adaptogen that helps regulate cortisol levels and reduces stress. I also focused on eating anti-inflammatory foods to support my body's recovery from stress-induced inflammation.

8) Do Things Slowly and Let Go of Petty Concerns
In situations like traffic jams, instead of getting frustrated, I turned those moments into opportunities for meditation, prayer, or gratitude exercises. Slowing down helped me keep my mind calm.

9) Simplify and Let Go of Overthinking
I stopped overthinking, which wasn’t easy at first. I used to obsess over worst-case scenarios, but I learned that overthinking only creates more problems. I accepted that 80% is good enough, and perfectionism no longer drives me.

10) Be Less Judgmental and See the Good
I stopped labeling my days as “good” or “bad” and learned to release judgment. Accepting things as they are brought me more peace. When I stopped having constant opinions about everything, my mind quieted down, and with that, my emotions became more balanced.
These changes transformed my life and helped me rise out of depression and anxiety. It started with a strong will and a firm decision to heal fully; took me about 2 years to fully heal, in my case.

There were relapses at first, but over time, the frequency, intensity and duration reduced. Then, one day, I just felt I was like a normal person again with stable emotions and positive thoughts, even during unforeseen challenges in life. 

I feel happy and vibrant most of the time nowadays. My friends witnessed my change and said I looked prettier with glow on my face, compared to the sad gloomy look that I used to have.

Just sharing my personal journey.
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This is good, you made a list of things to do.

that will keep a person busy with objectives.



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QUOTE(hoonanoo @ Jan 20 2025, 03:54 PM)
When you want to achieve something, you have to go through some hard bumps.

Michael Schumacher, may look like have a great life, but at the end, he is spending his life disabled in a bed, imprisoned in his own body, unable to communicate with his family, is worse than being paralyzed.

Paralyzed at least can speak.

So in order to be a better person, you need to go through those hard bumps, think of it, as an orientation to life.

Look at the bright side, you get to exercise 5-6 times a week. I myself am struggling to even find time to exercise 3 times a week because I have children obligations.
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Everyone has his own way to dealt with their problems, mine is by working out. Whatever happened to Michael is unfortunate, still thanks to him that he kind of helped me get over my depression. I also learned that lots of times it was ourselves who locked us into this imaginary prison where most of the time we can just open the door and leave it, thinking it was lock while it's not. About having children, i don't have any yet so i can't say i understand. Still from what my married buddies told me, i would agreed with you about difficulties of finding time for yourself to do things you want after you have kids.
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QUOTE(Napalm_man @ Jan 20 2025, 04:34 PM)
Everyone has his own way to dealt with their problems, mine is by working out. Whatever happened to Michael is unfortunate, still thanks to him that he kind of helped me get over my depression. I also learned that lots of times it was ourselves who locked us into this imaginary prison where most of the time we can just open the door and leave it, thinking it was lock while it's not. About having children, i don't have any yet so i can't say i understand. Still from what my married buddies told me, i would agreed with you about difficulties of finding time for yourself to do things you want after you have kids.
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Actually, those things that I didn't had the chance to do when I was a kid, I do it with my children. For example, I am sitting with them, while teaching, I am also learning mandarin. I am also learning how to play piano with them, I get a private tutor to come to my house and teach me and them at same time.

Just that I can't go jogging with my kids, otherwise they be left far behind and can;t catch up with me.

It all depends on you, if you want to be single or married is up to you, there is no right and wrong answer, be it single or married (both ways is ok). You have to strive hard to achieve it. But having said that, the journey won't be easy but then again its the journey that made it so interesting.




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QUOTE(hoonanoo @ Jan 20 2025, 04:58 PM)
Actually, those things that I didn't had the chance to do when I was a kid, I do it with my children. For example, I am sitting with them, while teaching, I am also learning mandarin. I am also learning how to play piano with them, I get a private tutor to come to my house and teach me and them at same time.

Just that I can't go jogging with my kids, otherwise they be left far behind and can;t catch up with me.

It all depends on you, if you want to be single or married is up to you, there is no right and wrong answer, be it single or married (both ways is ok). You have to strive hard to achieve it. But having said that, the journey won't be easy but then again its the journey that made it so interesting.
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That's good though learning together with your kids, you seems like spending lots of quality times with them.

As for marriage, if i found the right women then let's do it. Else i'll just go travel the world, try different foods etc. Because TBH i'm kind of getting lazy and tired of finding love now that i'm in my mid 30s, sure i did say i can handle rejection but doesn't mean that i want to get rejected again and again. It still hurts though i know it only awhile, no normal human beings enjoy getting hurt.
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That's good though learning together with your kids, you seems like spending lots of quality times with them.

As for marriage, if i found the right women then let's do it. Else i'll just go travel the world, try different foods etc. Because TBH i'm kind of getting lazy and tired of finding love now that i'm in my mid 30s, sure i did say i can handle rejection but doesn't mean that i want to get rejected again and again. It still hurts though i know it only awhile, no normal human beings enjoy getting hurt.
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I hope you do find love, if love is what you are looking for.

You sound like a very adventurous and interesting person.

I don't see why chicks don't dig you.


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QUOTE(hoonanoo @ Jan 20 2025, 05:16 PM)
I hope you do find love, if love is what you are looking for.

You sound like a very adventurous and interesting person.

I don't see why chicks don't dig you.
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Face problems bro lol, anyway all jokes aside i talk to or treat womens with respect. A bit sense of humour but not too dark, no pervy talks or act or any negative things. Still failed, now i just too lazy to try again.
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QUOTE(Napalm_man @ Jan 20 2025, 05:30 PM)
Face problems bro lol, anyway all jokes aside i talk to or treat womens with respect. A bit sense of humour but not too dark, no pervy talks or act or any negative things. Still failed, now i just too lazy to try again.
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actually best chance to go after girls is at 21yo.

that's the time girls croon over you.

The trick is, don't go for those better looking once, they usually have higher expectations. Well imagine, you are highly in demand, whether by girls or by employers. Everyday recruiters call you, offer you high salaries and benefits, just like a pretty girl, so many men woo them, offer flowers, expensive gifts, shower her with love and they all fight each other for their capabilities and financial prowess.

So if you happen to find a girl very attractive, I can very bet you, another guy or guys would be going after her too. And if you're in her shoes, she be spoilt for choice, wanting to opt for the best of the best.

Thus, don't be too choosy, else you lose out. But obviously I am not advising you to go after a landwhale or someone you find very unattractive. What I am saying you should consider the girl's character other than her appearance.

its harder as you get older, I admit that, but not impossible, it can be done.

I have a relative that got married at 45yo, he now has 2 kids even though his wife was 38yo at time of marriage. No IVF.


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QUOTE(hoonanoo @ Jan 20 2025, 06:02 PM)
actually best chance to go after girls is at 21yo.

that's the time girls croon over you.

The trick is, don't go for those better looking once, they usually have higher expectations. Well imagine, you are highly in demand, whether by girls or by employers. Everyday recruiters call you, offer you high salaries and benefits, just like a pretty girl, so many men woo them, offer flowers, expensive gifts, shower her with love and they all fight each other for their capabilities and financial prowess.

So if you happen to find a girl very attractive, I can very bet you, another guy or guys would be going after her too. And if you're in her shoes, she be spoilt for choice, wanting to opt for the best of the best.

Thus, don't be too choosy, else you lose out. But obviously I am not advising you to go after a landwhale or someone you find very unattractive. What I am saying you should consider the girl's character other than her appearance.

its harder as you get older, I admit that, but not impossible, it can be done.

I have a relative that got married at 45yo, he now has 2 kids even though his wife was 38yo at time of marriage. No IVF.
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Thanks for the advice but now my motivation is more on working out and get ripped, again for love if there’s one then fine else i don’t really care. Hey look at the bright side, at least i don’t have to suffer rejection right lol.
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Thanks for the advice but now my motivation is more on working out and get ripped, again for love if there’s one then fine else i don’t really care. Hey look at the bright side, at least i don’t have to suffer rejection right lol.
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rejection is part n parcel of life.

without rejection, one can't learn.

I give an example of my friend in sales, kena rejected 100 leads, but he knows he has 20% success to turn it into sales.

of course, I not saying that find ur life partner = numbers game.

but it could work, because more people u meet, more higher chance of succes and finding out what kind of girl suits you. Just the issue is, how to find a platform that you can meet many girls n date them?
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QUOTE(hoonanoo @ Jan 21 2025, 08:26 AM)
rejection is part n parcel of life.

without rejection, one can't learn.

I give an example of my friend in sales, kena rejected 100 leads, but he knows he has 20% success to turn it into sales.

of course, I not saying that find ur life partner = numbers game.

but it could work, because more people u meet, more higher chance of succes and finding out what kind of girl suits you. Just the issue is, how to find a platform that you can meet many girls n date them?
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This really reminds me of my part time property agent work lol, yes there's only 3 out of 10 leads that really turned to sales.

Last year i did attend some speed dating event, pricing like 100++ per events with foods and drinks. Matched with few womens there but our conversation just went cold in texting, they never initiate the chat though and it was me who often initiate it. Not sure if this is the "boys must always initiate the first move" kind of thingy or what, TBH this is kind of exhausting and i feels like i'm the desperate one or a simp which i hated. Some of my buddies ask me to rejoin again this year, lol even the organiser been texting me to join their event again. If i have the time then why not right?

How was the man and women look in the event? Well probably some of you might be curious, i would say lower down your expectation for oppa or typical asian drama prtty ladies looks if you really going to this kind of events. To me they're average like most of us here, look decent, clean, tidy, neat and no funny smell. No sugar coating here, 3 out of 10 there kind of overweight as well.
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This really reminds me of my part time property agent work lol, yes there's only 3 out of 10 leads that really turned to sales.

Last year i did attend some speed dating event, pricing like 100++ per events with foods and drinks. Matched with few womens there but our conversation just went cold in texting, they never initiate the chat though and it was me who often initiate it. Not sure if this is the "boys must always initiate the first move" kind of thingy or what, TBH this is kind of exhausting and i feels like i'm the desperate one or a simp which i hated. Some of my buddies ask me to rejoin again this year, lol even the organiser been texting me to join their event again. If i have the time then why not right?

How was the man and women look in the event? Well probably some of you might be curious, i would say lower down your expectation for oppa or typical asian drama prtty ladies looks if you really going to this kind of events. To me they're average like most of us here, look decent, clean, tidy, neat and no funny smell. No sugar coating here, 3 out of 10 there kind of overweight as well.
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hmm.gif I am not sure about speed dating, never been to one b4. But you also got to weigh success rate vs costs. If they are over charging, then its not worthwhile.

I heard these event organizers usually invite the girls by offering them some free vouchers to attend. Usually the supply of girls are fished via some promo event, maybe they were customers of some clothing co, some other event, then cross sell them to attend.

So, they aren't really in the look out for partners. Maybe by chance, if they found someone really interesting they may be eager to link with the guy.

It could be due to a supply and demand issue, the girls that the event seek, some of them (not all), may not be in the active look out. Just like when you try to go after some girl in the office, usually they are not keen even if they are single, because its a simple demand and supply. You maybe looking for a life partner but she's not in the mood or mode to look for at the office.

But problem in Msia is, there is a lack of platform to look for life partners. Prospects are kind of limited.

As I said, once for the guy not to take opportunity in their early 20s to go seek life partner, the prospects are harder. It was the best time, when I was 21yo, I took it for granted, I was looking more for freedom than to be tied down to relationships. All the close girl friends that I was with, I did not bother to link up with them, by the time I was looking for life partner, they were already taken. I could imagine the time I had with them one to one, having one to one study, going out for lunch dates, watching movies, giving them a lift to college, damn I didn't make my move. I only went for relationship in my 30s, fortunately I was lucky to have met my life partner later on.

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hmm.gif I am not sure about speed dating, never been to one b4. But you also got to weigh success rate vs costs. If they are over charging, then its not worthwhile.

I heard these event organizers usually invite the girls by offering them some free vouchers to attend. Usually the supply of girls are fished via some promo event, maybe they were customers of some clothing co, some other event, then cross sell them to attend.

So, they aren't really in the look out for partners. Maybe by chance, if they found someone really interesting they may be eager to link with the guy.

It could be due to a supply and demand issue, the girls that the event seek, some of them (not all), may not be in the active look out. Just like when you try to go after some girl in the office, usually they are not keen even if they are single, because its a simple demand and supply. You maybe looking for a life partner but she's not in the mood or mode to look for at the office.

But problem in Msia is, there is a lack of platform to look for life partners. Prospects are kind of limited.

As I said, once for the guy not to take opportunity in their early 20s to go seek life partner, the prospects are harder. It was the best time, when I was 21yo, I took it for granted, I was looking more for freedom than to be tied down to relationships. All the close girl friends that I was with, I did not bother to link up with them, by the time I was looking for life partner, they were already taken. I could imagine the time I had with them one to one, having one to one study, going out for lunch dates, watching movies, giving them a lift to college, damn I didn't make my move. I only went for relationship in my 30s, fortunately I was lucky to have met my life partner later on.
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Wow now that you say so, that sounded kind of like a scam when they asking ladies join just to fill in the quota though most of them aren't interested to find a boyfriend. There are few events cost like 300++ to join, looking at the event agenda nothing special compares to other events. Just the place a bit fancy and serving alcoholic drinks, that's all. And those ladies went cold towards me, think again what you said they possibly those "invited" guest by the organiser and if so then the organiser really invited lots of ladies for this. They charging like 100++ per person and they have around 10 - 20 participants, quite amount of money they earned.

Oh well then, since i already paid for 1 event on february then i'll just go and talk to the ladies like usual, now that i'm having a sceptical mindset towards this kind of events after what you said just now lol.
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Wow now that you say so, that sounded kind of like a scam when they asking ladies join just to fill in the quota though most of them aren't interested to find a boyfriend. There are few events cost like 300++ to join, looking at the event agenda nothing special compares to other events. Just the place a bit fancy and serving alcoholic drinks, that's all. And those ladies went cold towards me, think again what you said they possibly those "invited" guest by the organiser and if so then the organiser really invited lots of ladies for this. They charging like 100++ per person and they have around 10 - 20 participants, quite amount of money they earned.

Oh well then, since i already paid for 1 event on february then i'll just go and talk to the ladies like usual, now that i'm having a sceptical mindset towards this kind of events after what you said just now lol.
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yeah that's got to be a way to lure the ladies to come to this type of events. If let say, they want to lure ladies who are looking actively for life partners, the mix would most likely to be not so desirable for guys. Usually ladies who have a decent chance to find life partner due to better looks, I could be wrong, wont come for this, due to embarassment and the likes.

So maybe event organizers try to get a better mix by offering promotions and freebies to girls to come.

But I say lah, the fact is this, if you try to fight for your dream, the harder it gets, there be a lot of obstacles along the way. That's how its like, things don't come to you in a silver platter. Maybe some people are lucky but some people need to fight through a barrage of obstacles to get what they want.

But hey at least you tried....but remember this, insanity is trying the same thing over n over again, expecting the same results.

that as quoted by Albert EInstein.
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QUOTE(hoonanoo @ Jan 21 2025, 02:41 PM)
yeah that's got to be a way to lure the ladies to come to this type of events. If let say, they want to lure ladies who are looking actively for life partners, the mix would most likely to be not so desirable for guys. Usually ladies who have a decent chance to find life partner due to better looks, I could be wrong, wont come for this, due to embarassment and the likes.

So maybe event organizers try to get a better mix by offering promotions and freebies to girls to come.

But I say lah, the fact is this, if you try to fight for your dream, the harder it gets, there be a lot of obstacles along the way. That's how its like, things don't come to you in a silver platter. Maybe some people are lucky but some people need to fight through a barrage of obstacles to get what they want.

But hey at least you tried....but remember this, insanity is trying the same thing over n over again, expecting the same results.

that as quoted by Albert EInstein.
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Oh brother, that's why i suffer depression expecting she be changed her mind and picked me instead. Learned this the hard way...

Last time we have 15 mens and 15 womens in christian single event, i get 5 matches but i didn't contact them all. Not because of they're not pretty or attractive, don't get me wrong. Just that during our conversation there at the event, they(my matches) shared 1 common which is looking for a christian man that is a frequent church goers. Too bad i'm not really a frequent church goer though i'm a christian, so i decided not waste their time.

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Oh brother, that's why i suffer depression expecting she be changed her mind and picked me instead. Learned this the hard way...

Last time we have 15 mens and 15 womens in christian single event, i get 5 matches but i didn't contact them all. Not because of they're not pretty or attractive, don't get me wrong. Just that during our conversation there at the event, they(my matches) shared 1 commons which is looking for a christian man that is a frequent church goers. Too bad i'm not really a frequent church goer though i'm a christian, so i decided not waste their time.
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I heard there is a catholic dating website. I never use before, I am not catholic.

But I have a friend who migrated to Australia, he met his catholic gf who is a filipino based in Spore working. So they got connected n LDR for 2 years, before she married him and joined him in Australia.

I thought christians too serious, never thought they have speed dating event. I have a lot of pentecostal christian friends who are in their 30s and 40s not married. So hard for them to find a life partner.

Some of them so active in church, can play guitar, drums and piano, still cannot find life partner. Although I know their purpose is to serve and not go there find gf. But I really find that some churches so mengabaikan the family ministry, some non believers share with me, they began to look down on the church because they felt the church why so neglect marriage ministry one? everyday want to attract new believers, but isn't family important?

Sorry to say, I am not saying that all church are like that, I don't want christians to villify me but sometimes I observe my christian friends talk to me about good conduct being good and honest. Yes most of them are, but I also found that they are all very eager to find family and have children, just that it is so hard to find for them. Wihch is to me, is a big surprise, because isn't a man who can lead family and raise good kids are a measure of good conduct and example of a christian?
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I'm also considering exploring change to a less stressful career than my current one. But thinking about the process that I will have to go through gives me anxiety...
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Is okay to explore less stressful career if all these while you have been stressful with your job. Not good long term. But too free like me is not good either. I used to stress out with my first job. I had anxiety every morning before going to work. But now, I would like to have a balance work life.
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Good to be men. At least they could choose to date someone their age if they dont want kids or younger if they want kids.

For women, only older men. The same age ones would usually go for younger women..

21 days have passed since NY. Everything is still the same. I still dont have the courage to do the things I wanted to do out of fear. I am growing tired, demotivated. I feel hollow at my worst. Even Xanax cant help me to sleep. The things that got me to sleep is by overthinking the whole day.
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QUOTE(hoonanoo @ Jan 21 2025, 05:09 PM)
I heard there is a catholic dating website. I never use before, I am not catholic.

But I have a friend who migrated to Australia, he met his catholic gf who is a filipino based in Spore working. So they got connected n LDR for 2 years, before she married him and joined him in Australia.

I thought christians too serious, never thought they have speed dating event. I have a lot of pentecostal christian friends who are in their 30s and 40s not married. So hard for them to find a life partner.

Some of them so active in church, can play guitar, drums and piano, still cannot find life partner. Although I know their purpose is to serve and not go there find gf. But I really find that some churches so mengabaikan the family ministry, some non believers share with me, they began to look down on the church because they felt the church why so neglect marriage ministry one? everyday want to attract new believers, but isn't family important?

Sorry to say, I am not saying that all church are like that, I don't want christians to villify me but sometimes I observe my christian friends talk to me about good conduct being good and honest. Yes most of them are, but I also found that they are all very eager to find family and have children, just that it is so hard to find for them. Wihch is to me, is a big surprise, because isn't a man who can lead family and raise good kids are a measure of good conduct and example of a christian?
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About the keep attracting new believer, yes i did encountered that. Why am i not a frequent church goer is that TBH i really cannot tahan religious people, kind of extremism and i kid you not. The church i use to go usually married people with children, hard to see people in 20s 30s who are still single. Whenever i go to the church though not frequent, i did my parts and i left. Small talks yes but just a quick one, no deep conversation. No bro i don't blame you for sharing your stories from another christian as i do encountered this before, sadly it's true.

Me personally i keep religion all by myself, i don't talk about it unless people ask me. I don't mind marrying women from other religion than christian except muslim because they are much more complicated, if i ever marry a buddhist for example then i don't mind if my wife stick to buddhist and put altar in our home. For our kids i would prefer them decide when they mature enough, follow daddy as christian or mommy as buddhist. Many people misconcept that christian people will be asking their partner to change their fate which i don't blame them since some christian does, there's no law stated we christian must do this after married same as other religions at least from what i know except islam.
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What medication and sleep medication are you taking btw? If you are taking any class of Antidepressant, don't try to quit in your own. Antidepressant withdrawal is terrible and could be dangerous.

I am currently on daily antidepressant Desvenfalaxine regiment and occasional Zolpidem for sleep for anxiety and sleep issue. I think i am diagnosed for like 5-7 years already.
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My current medication is vortiozetine and clonazepam. It does stopped my monkey mind, but my feeling is quite numb, stopped working for 2 days already. I told my dr thats why i dislike to take psy. Besides, I try to change myself not to ranting and negative to my close friends.
Yes I sit down and write, like i keep on writing these days. Questioning myself. I not sure if this the right way. However I must admit I'm terrible at meditation. Relationships is my root cause. Hopefully next session with dr can help a little bit. Current self control on mind is super weak. I'm too fatigue.

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I'm on going clean diet recently, my friend told me clean diet do affect emotions. Abit usure with this statement.
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Hey sis, tell me you are not taking Clonazepam daily right?

Clonazepam is strictly for occasional use. I hope you don't take Clonazepam daily.
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QUOTE(Blofeld @ Jan 10 2025, 02:05 PM)
that's a misconception of having to wait long

you will be surprised how fast they will call you for an appointment.

maybe for other departments, then i'd agree with you but it is quite fast for psychiatry dept, maybe because not many ppl are aware of the need to see a psychiatrist and not many patients as in other departments.
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This.

I missed my appointment date twice and GH psychiatric department called me why i didn't came for my appointment.
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QUOTE(Napalm_man @ Jan 21 2025, 05:30 PM)
About the keep attracting new believer, yes i did encountered that. Why am i not a frequent church goer is that TBH i really cannot tahan religious people, kind of extremism and i kid you not. The church i use to go usually married people with children, hard to see people in 20s 30s who are still single. Whenever i go to the church though not frequent, i did my parts and i left. Small talks yes but just a quick one, no deep conversation. No bro i don't blame you for sharing your stories from another christian as i do encountered this before, sadly it's true.

Me personally i keep religion all by myself, i don't talk about it unless people ask me. I don't mind marrying women from other religion than christian except muslim because they are much more complicated, if i ever marry a buddhist for example then i don't mind if my wife stick to buddhist and put altar in our home. For our kids i would prefer them decide when they mature enough, follow daddy as christian or mommy as buddhist. Many people misconcept that christian people will be asking their partner to change their fate which i don't blame them since some christian does, there's no law stated we christian must do this after married same as other religions at least from what i know except islam.
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Actually there r a lot of single christian in their 30s and 40s.

But the way I look at it, I think you should find yourself a non christian or a not very committed one.

I do understand some of their logic, in finding a fellow christian for marriage. Families wants to do things together. Its kind of ought when families split up when doing activities. I give an example of my friend whose mother and sister are christians whereas his father and 2 brothers are buddhist. During family the christian side pray before meal while the non christians immediately eat. When every sunday go to church mom bring my friend n his sister while the brothers go play football and father go shop groceries alone.

So when a family is doing different things, it is very divisive.



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QUOTE(superbike @ Jan 21 2025, 05:40 PM)
Hey sis, tell me you are not taking Clonazepam daily right?

Clonazepam is strictly for occasional use. I hope you don't take Clonazepam daily.
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Last few days I do take clonazepam straight few days. Yes I know it's for when needed.

I stopped my brintellix from yesterday. My dr say ok to try if I able to control my emotions. Because medications have been numbed my feeling and I'm too fatigue for the past 14 days.
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QUOTE(superbike @ Jan 21 2025, 05:50 PM)
This.

I missed my appointment date twice and GH psychiatric department called me why i didn't came for my appointment.
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Can I know how was it at GH PSY?
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QUOTE(kawa_e @ Jan 21 2025, 05:20 PM)
Good to be men. At least they could choose to date someone their age if they dont want kids or younger if they want kids.

For women, only older men. The same age ones would usually go for younger women..

21 days have passed since NY. Everything is still the same. I still dont have the courage to do the things I wanted to do out of fear. I am growing tired, demotivated. I feel hollow at my worst. Even Xanax cant help me to sleep. The things that got me to sleep is by overthinking the whole day.
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Hello sis.. don't worry.. you're not alone. I didn't work for 21 days already ever since the medication. Workout less than 5 times. What's the thing you mentioned want to do but didn't do cause of fear? Mind to share?
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QUOTE(hoonanoo @ Jan 21 2025, 05:58 PM)
Actually there r a lot of single christian in their 30s and 40s.

But the way I look at it, I think you should find yourself a non christian or a not very committed one.

I do understand some of their logic, in finding a fellow christian for marriage. Families wants to do things together. Its kind of ought when families split up when doing activities. I give an example of my friend whose mother and sister are christians whereas his father and 2 brothers are buddhist. During family the christian side pray before meal while the non christians immediately eat. When every sunday go to church mom bring my friend n his sister while the brothers go play football and father go shop groceries alone.

So when a family is doing different things, it is very divisive.
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Lucky for them or sort of, i don’t pray before eat and frequently going to church. Other Christian might see me as a liberal or a stray, that’s how i practice my religion and i don’t see this is a problem.

Yea i would try to find those who’s not committed to religion too much like me, probably the best. Lol if i ever find one of course.
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QUOTE(NinG @ Jan 21 2025, 06:48 PM)
Last few days I do take clonazepam straight few days. Yes I know it's for when needed.

I stopped my brintellix from yesterday. My dr say ok to try if I able to control my emotions. Because medications have been numbed my feeling and I'm too fatigue for the past 14 days.
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Whatever you do, say, you want to quit your med, should be the doctor call and they will decide what is better for you. But since your doctor said it is okay to stop the brintellix, should be okay lah.

Anyway, not to scare you but try not be dependent on Clonazepam and steer clear off it if you can. It's a highly addictive drug and stopping it suddenly could actually cause severe stress on the body and can actually kill.

By the way, antidepressants memang came with whole lots of side effects LOL. I gained so much weight when i was on Lexapro and it made me lazy, i switched to Desvenfalaxine which makes me shed off the weight gradually.

QUOTE(NinG @ Jan 21 2025, 06:49 PM)
Can I know how was it at GH PSY?
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So far so good. No complain from me. The only downside is the super long queue and you probably need to wait for half day for your turn to meet the psychiatrist. It only cost me RM5 per session.
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I met my Dr yesterday, but my emotion was too numbed. I told her I cant give her any answer. She say I have dual personality, so the other side of me is hidden down by medications. She say can try for few days, otherwise just start back Brintellix. Thanks for the info of Clonazepam, I almost dependent to it daily just to make me sleep when I feel so bad. Im thinking to stop visiting my Dr as I dont feel any help from her.

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QUOTE(kawa_e @ Jan 15 2025, 11:23 AM)
2 decades have been the same. Not joking or even pessimistic because this is fact for me. I look older and maybe a bit mature but other than everything is the same. I am not moving up in career. I took a more relaxing job after my first job. Too relaxing isn't so much better because our pay isn't on par with inflation.
I have been working out for some time but not seeing any improvement. Perhaps I should take it that going to the gym consistently is an improvement.
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On working out, we need to be clear what we want to achieve, what is the focus, is it to lose weight, to build muscle, to increase fitness...? Each will have different regime or at least different type of exercise.
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QUOTE(NinG @ Jan 21 2025, 07:46 PM)
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I met my Dr yesterday, but my emotion was too numbed. I told her I cant give her any answer. She say I have dual personality, so the other side of me is hidden down by medications. She say can try for few days, otherwise just start back Brintellix. Thanks for the info of Clonazepam, I almost dependent to it daily just to make me sleep when I feel so bad. Im thinking to stop visiting my Dr as I dont feel any help from her.
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Maybe it's a good thing that you decide to stop visiting her. Try government hospital as they are more strict in what they will prescribe to you. For example, last time i asked for Clonazepam or Xanax also they refuse to give me unless it's highly necessary.

Some doctors and health institution are so quick to prescribe dangerous medication like Clonazepam like candy which is a slippery for the patients as they will fall into the rabbit hole of drug dependency.

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QUOTE(Napalm_man @ Jan 21 2025, 07:33 PM)
Lucky for them or sort of, i don’t pray before eat and frequently going to church. Other Christian might see me as a liberal or a stray, that’s how i practice my religion and i don’t see this is a problem.

Yea i would try to find those who’s not committed to religion too much like me, probably the best. Lol if i ever find one of course.
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actually the chances are higher if you are searching for one.

Devoted christians are lesser and harder to find.
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QUOTE(superbike @ Jan 21 2025, 08:35 PM)
Maybe it's a good thing that you decide to stop visiting her. Try government hospital as they are more strict in what they will prescribe to you. For example, last time i asked for Clonazepam or Xanax also they refuse to give me unless it's highly necessary.

Some doctors and health institution are so quick to prescribe dangerous medication like Clonazepam like candy which is a slippery for the patients as they will fall into the rabbit hole of drug dependency.
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Its the only way they can make big bucks with big pharma out of you patients.

I have a friend whose sister in her 40s has autism and depression, brings her sister to see psychiatrist.

The friend sister tell her about her depression because her parents passed away, instead of teaching her method how to handle the situation, psychiatrist just hear and say yes, yes. Then prescribe medicine.

Goodness, they almost like a drug dealer like that.
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QUOTE(hoonanoo @ Jan 21 2025, 10:07 PM)
actually the chances are higher if you are searching for one.

Devoted christians are lesser and harder to find.
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What i do is that i would just be frank before we go further, better inform them early so we won't be wasting our time. If they're ok with me keeping religion by myself and them keep practice theirs, then ok nice let's go.

About the devoted christian, yea it is hard to find because they just keep it for themselves. So yea what you said makes sense.
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QUOTE(NinG @ Jan 21 2025, 07:00 PM)
Hello sis.. don't worry.. you're not alone. I didn't work for 21 days already ever since the medication. Workout less than 5 times. What's the thing you mentioned want to do but didn't do cause of fear? Mind to share?
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Thank you sis. Doing slightly better today or perhaps I am numb completely because my life is still the same.

I feel like I cant entirely have feelings anymore. Going to meet my counsellor again this Friday. I a not sure whether I need clarity, closure, acceptance etc. All I know is my life will be exactly the same until my last breathe. This is not a self fulfilling prophecy because there are things I cannot change or unable to change. It is also my choice. I do not know why I made this choice because I know it will lead unfulfilling life. I wish I am like everyone else. Have more courage and face my fear. I am such a coward. I am an already old and not a high schooler

I work out for 2 - 3 times a week. I am not a hardcore. I cant even focus during workout or complete a full set without looking at my phone. I didnt take xanax everyday because I know I need a larger dose now to have effect on me. Around 2mg and above.
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QUOTE(farisq @ Jan 21 2025, 08:28 PM)
On working out, we need to be clear what we want to achieve, what is the focus, is it to lose weight, to build muscle, to increase fitness...? Each will have different regime or at least different type of exercise.
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My focus is shoulder, abs and glutes. So far not doing anything with my shoulder. 80% abs and 20% glutes. I cant find the motivation yet. It will take me some time because I dont see the meaning of working out aside by keeping me alive for several more years.

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QUOTE(Napalm_man @ Jan 22 2025, 10:17 AM)
What i do is that i would just be frank before we go further, better inform them early so we won't be wasting our time. If they're ok with me keeping religion by myself and them keep practice theirs, then ok nice let's go.

About the devoted christian, yea it is hard to find because they just keep it for themselves. So yea what you said makes sense.
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devoted christians will seek devoted christians. For the simple reason that, they want to do everything with thier spouse.

As I said, the story of my friend who have 3 christians and 3 taoist/buddhist in the family, everyday fight and cannot get along.

So is better for you to find someone who is not practising.

I got some relatives who r devoted christians, its in their bible, that they should not be in yoke with those who are not christians (unless one spouse has converted during marriage as in my friend example: not before marriage). So if you are with one "christian" who does not bother about your religion, that person is not really a christian, according to their bible.

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QUOTE(hoonanoo @ Jan 22 2025, 02:22 PM)
devoted christians will seek devoted christians. For the simple reason that, they want to do everything with thier spouse.

As I said, the story of my friend who have 3 christians and 3 taoist/buddhist in the family, everyday fight and cannot get along.

So is better for you to find someone who is not practising.

I got some relatives who r devoted christians, its in their bible, that they should not be in yoke with those who are not christians (unless one spouse has converted during marriage as in my friend example: not before marriage). So if you are with one "christian" who does not bother about your religion, that person is not really a christian, according to their bible.
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You know bro, lots of times i think religion is the cause of conflict. Religion suppose to guide us, teaching us to be a better person. But when it became a cause of conflict, no wonder why many people just ditch them. This is also a reason why i kept my religion all for myself, people ask then i share else no need share. Everything must follow religion, unknowingly we lost our humanity while doing so. People might hate me for saying this, but humanity first then religion second.
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QUOTE(Napalm_man @ Jan 22 2025, 02:55 PM)
You know bro, lots of times i think religion is the cause of conflict. Religion suppose to guide us, teaching us to be a better person. But when it became a cause of conflict, no wonder why many people just ditch them. This is also a reason why i kept my religion all for myself, people ask then i share else no need share. Everything must follow religion, unknowingly we lost our humanity while doing so. People might hate me for saying this, but humanity first then religion second.
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well, to each have their own opinion.

but I don't think there r many christians around.

So, your pool of ladies are still available and not limited to religious restriction.
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QUOTE(hoonanoo @ Jan 22 2025, 03:10 PM)
well, to each have their own opinion.

but I don't think there r many christians around.

So, your pool of ladies are still available and not limited to religious restriction.
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Just hope if one day i do find one, better not a religious one or at least don't mind what i'm practising if different religion.
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Just hope if one day i do find one, better not a religious one or at least don't mind what i'm practising if different religion.
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Don't get married, and don't get child/children

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QUOTE(hoonanoo @ Jan 21 2025, 10:09 PM)
Its the only way they can make big bucks with big pharma out of you patients.

I have a friend whose sister in her 40s has autism and depression, brings her sister to see psychiatrist.

The friend sister tell her about her depression because her parents passed away, instead of teaching her method how to handle the situation, psychiatrist just hear and say yes, yes. Then prescribe medicine.

Goodness, they almost like a drug dealer like that.
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psychiatry private practice good money.

see the number of drug addicts waiting for their subscription - each pays at least rm250 to get their drugs.

psychiatrist never interested in understanding the root of the problem, just keep giving you meds, until you get numb and addicted.

they are basically no.1 supporter of the greedy pharma industry. puke.gif
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QUOTE(hoonanoo @ Jan 22 2025, 03:10 PM)
well, to each have their own opinion.

but I don't think there r many christians around.

So, your pool of ladies are still available and not limited to religious restriction.
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i always start with if you are really keen to learn, then worth the convo.

if you just want to fight and prove you are right, then forget about it.

there are good christians around.
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Cause and effect.

What caused your depression?

You taking medicine is like just treating the symtoms only.

Find the cause.
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You mentioned religion supports > Are you a Buddhist?
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QUOTE(gashout @ Apr 19 2025, 08:14 AM)
psychiatry private practice good money.

see the number of drug addicts waiting for their subscription - each pays at least rm250 to get their drugs.

psychiatrist never interested in understanding the root of the problem, just keep giving you meds, until you get numb and addicted.

they are basically no.1 supporter of the greedy pharma industry.  puke.gif
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very true.

Aiya I should have taken psychiatry, just an excuse to be legalized drug dealer
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QUOTE(Palisades @ Apr 19 2025, 09:52 AM)
Cause and effect.

What caused your depression?

You taking medicine is like just treating the symtoms only.

Find the cause.
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Chemical imbalance?

 

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