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TSRalna
post Jul 18 2018, 07:03 PM, updated 8y ago

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If you wanna marry a rich man, you gotta have the qualities that they want, and be as perfect as possible. You gotta work on yourself first.

Based on my experience & feedback from them, their checklist of ideal wife material is as follows:

1) Appearance (tall, pretty, attractive) -- presentable when bringing her to attend biz functions
2) Brain (intelligent, ambitious, highly educated) -- to be their partner, and help them in biz & career
3) Filial to his parents -- most of them are the only/eldest son, so what their mum thinks of their woman is very important
4) Can be a good mum -- they want to produce the best offspring
5) Talented -- have other hobbies or talents, e.g. singing, dancing, cooking, socialising etc

It took me 5 years sweat.gif to perfect myself so that I could attract the men I want. Yeah, I stayed single & unavailable for many years, just to polish myself to near-perfection.

How did I do it?

In terms of looks, I have spent nearly RM50k in the past few years on various skincare treatments to look beautiful, such as going for facials, mani/pedicure, hair treatments (rebonding, colouring), doing my eyebrows, lips, skin hair removal & polishing, body massages etc. Yeah, I look naturally pretty without any makeup; no need to edit photos too. With makeup, I look way more gorgeous. (Yeah, spent so much $$$, will of coz look fabulous.)

On a side note, a woman being able to spend RM10k a year on beauty enhancements without getting bankrupt or in bad debt is a sign of high earning power & prudent financial management. Men find rich/high-earning women attractive too, so be one. (Yeah, easier said than done, but can be done.)

Having good looks alone is not enough. If you are an empty flower vase = look good on the outside but have nothing solid inside, rich men will lose interest fast, coz you're no different from those hot chicks they meet.

So yeah, I spent lots of time reading books, esp. biz, finance, investments etc ("dry & boring" for most women), so that I know what to chat with them, and impress them. Then I also developed side interests, and learnt how to cook delicious meals, sing songs etc. & I work out to shape & tone my body; going to be age 30 but still look around mid-20s.

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Hard work does pay off.

The outcome? Attracted many high-earning professionals, and went on dates with them. (Birds of a feather flock together wink.gif)

Also attracted several rich men, who pursued/proposed to me:

1) M, eldest son of a bizman who owns a transportation company. Lives in double-storey semi-D, now runs his father's company. Stole my first kiss without consent. Yeah, punched him after that, but he was still happy.

2) L, eldest son of a bizman who owns a timber lodging company. Lives in double-storey bungalow, drove a Mercedez to fetch me at my house before, for an expensive lunch date. Confessed to me and wished to bring me home to meet his parents.

3) C, only son of a rich family, lives in single-storey bungalow, works in Oil & Gas, earning 5-digit MYR a month. Came to my house one late night (around 10pm+) to give me a box of imported chocolates. Parents are family friends.

4) W, only son of a rich biz family, studied in the U.K. Lives in a bungalow, inherits his family business to supply automobile parts to major car manufacturers. Wished to bring me home to meet his parents.

5) K, eldest son of a rich biz family, studied in the U.K. Inherited family wealth, earning 5-digit SGD a month. We're engaged now. Our anniversary trip this year is to Phuket, pre-wedding photoshoot will be in Taiwan, and the reception + honeymoon (destination wedding) will be in Maldives ← he suggested these countries.

Btw, I'm not working currently; he's supporting me financially. I have 1-2 years to relax and go travel, and upgrade myself to tip-top condition so that we can start own biz and family. He and I have discussed earning in MYR and also in USD, and sending our kids to international school.

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When you become the best, you will deserve the best. I didn't come from a rich family; was poor and starving before, but I worked hard to the top in terms of studies and career. That made me into a confident and ambitious lady, and not just sit there dressed in rags with self-pity, and passively waiting & daydreaming for some prince to rescue me. Nah, it doesn't happen that way in real life.

A few things to take note:

Firstly, rich guys don't like it when girls covet their wealth. They can easily sense if you are after them, or after their money. Money is important, but greed and materialism is a huge turn-off.

Secondly, of course, not all of us have the luck to meet/date rich men. It depends on the social circles/social class you are in. If you life is confined to just work and home, then chances are, you ain't gonna meet any of them. You need to actively go out and express yourself, be it in events or gatherings, or online.

Thirdly, it's not easy to manage wealth and multiply it. If you only wanna be a rich tai-tai who can't help much in your husband's biz/career, chances are, years down the road, you're out of the game, as you become liability and no longer asset. With great power (privileges) comes great responsibility and expectations.

Fourthly, if you're dating a guy who is earning an average income, please develop his potential and push him to success. Your aspiration, dreams and energy level can fuel his ambition to give you the life both of you want -- enjoy comfort without worry, and perhaps, a life of luxury one day. Don't just sit there and complain about him (look down on him and make him feel like a loser) when you yourself have done nothing much to upgrade yourself. It must go both ways/ reciprocal. In order to receive, you need to give first. Sow first, and reap later.

Btw, if a man feels he can't catch up on you, he'll either level up his game to be on par with you (great!), or feel insecure enough to let you go/ become controlling.

Lastly, love a man not for his money, but for his personality, his character, dreams and ambitions, and earning potential. The truly rich man is one who can lose everything, smile and start all over again, and earn the same pot of gold in a decade or two. Now that is what I call true wealth. thumbsup.gif

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OK, done sharing my part. Feel free to add on any tips and comments. No trolls pls; it's annoying.

Btw, if you're a rich guy, feel free to share what you think/ what qualities you're looking for in a woman/ what type of women deserve you. & maybe give a tip or two about how you achieve success/ build wealth for our fellow forumers to learn from.
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post Jul 18 2018, 07:14 PM

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wow, its good to know your investment turn out to be fruitful
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post Jul 18 2018, 07:56 PM

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QUOTE(HeartR0bber @ Jul 18 2018, 07:14 PM)
wow, its good to know your investment turn out to be fruitful
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Thanks. ^^

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post Jul 18 2018, 08:27 PM

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It's nice knowing all these guys are rich because of inheriting the outcome of parents' / parent's hard work.

In this day and age, I think it's pointless for a MALE to find a partner even if he's doing averagely or ok-ish. Sure, earning potential. But what are the odds of me, who do not have family wealth to inherit, able to be a better candidate than the people that have great family wealth waiting?

I think it's kinda ironic that you specifically wanting rich man, but telling people to not love a man for their money. Mind elaborate on this one?

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post Jul 18 2018, 08:33 PM

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QUOTE(Ralna @ Jul 18 2018, 08:56 PM)
Thanks. ^^

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Future Tai tai you are not 😂😂

You are hellava catch for him (Ahem) but hor, the thread is kinda downer for some guys whom have great heart but not well off, I mean financially ok, just not wealthy and if all prettiest girls just wait for rich(est) man to scoop them.. how la.

In truth I know there are lots of wealthy (rather successful) men in Malaysia, not all but many do uses their means (position) to sample ‘girls’. Trying not to generalize all wealthy rich men but ok the many pretty girls do know of such men.

Ok I’m deviating.

Nice to help with the tips for girls preparing themselves.
(However) for those who just stumble this thread (and not know what you went thru) may find it a little showy 😇 girl 😬


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post Jul 18 2018, 08:38 PM

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QUOTE(xPrototype @ Jul 18 2018, 08:27 PM)
It's nice knowing all these guys are rich because of inheriting the outcome of parents' / parent's hard work.
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haha this is so true. But women dont care do they? As long as there multiple digits in the bank account.

oh the sh!t I have had to deal with coming from a single parent household and struggling to have food on the table when I was younger. I am quite offended by how TS describes the guys as if they are a template

Eldest / Only son

Rich
family biz

Semi D / Bungalow

5 Digit currency / Luxury car / Imported / Expensive

Wow. OK. U made it in life. Congrats

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post Jul 18 2018, 08:42 PM

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QUOTE(Aztec @ Jul 18 2018, 08:38 PM)
haha this is so true. But women dont care do they? As long as there multiple digits in the bank account.
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They do care. Look at the stats of the guys she listed there. The one she chosen is the best one.

- do not need to continue family business
- earning SGD instead of MYR

Straight go for the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow.

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post Jul 18 2018, 09:01 PM

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Semua pun fu er dai. Like the poster said above. Went straight for the pot of gold. hahaha.

Btw, what is timber lodging ah? Hotel for timber? I didn't know hospitality expand to cater to logs as well now. hmm.gif


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post Jul 18 2018, 09:07 PM

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QUOTE(Aztec @ Jul 18 2018, 08:38 PM)
haha this is so true. But women dont care do they? As long as there multiple digits in the bank account.

oh the sh!t I have had to deal with coming from a single parent household and struggling to have food on the table when I was younger. I am quite offended by how TS describes the guys as if they are a template

Eldest / Only son

Rich
family biz

Semi D / Bungalow

5 Digit currency / Luxury car / Imported / Expensive

Wow. OK. U made it in life. Congrats
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QUOTE(xPrototype @ Jul 18 2018, 08:42 PM)
They do care. Look at the stats of the guys she listed there. The one she chosen is the best one.

- do not need to continue family business
- earning SGD instead of MYR

Straight go for the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow.
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See, this is the problem with you guys: always straightaway jump to conclusions, because of your past experiences or whatever failures/ rejections you faced with other "gold-digging" materialistic women. You end up so paranoid and sarcastic, labelling all women as the same bitchy type.

Read carefully again. Did I pursue those men? I didn't. They approached me. & They happened to be of that category. They told me about their background, not like I hunted for them. I'm not a sugar baby either. Jeez. With their wealth and status, you think they won't know how to differentiate between a gold digger and a real gem?

If you read my previous thread, I don't pursue men; said that many times already. Go study more about the law of attraction.
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post Jul 18 2018, 09:16 PM

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If make few changes in exchange for a better life, why not?

I find TS is different from average ladies because she is a strategic thinker. Doing something with an aim behind. Congrats as your hard work is well paid off now.

While I appreciate freedom than being a puppet or doll in a rich man world.

Nevertheless, i read 70-80k words per week because of the nature of my job. I find reading is a must and knowledge must be shared at suitable platforms.

As long you are happy.
Again, congrats TS!

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TSRalna
post Jul 18 2018, 09:17 PM

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QUOTE(xPrototype @ Jul 18 2018, 08:27 PM)
It's nice knowing all these guys are rich because of inheriting the outcome of parents' / parent's hard work.

In this day and age, I think it's pointless for a MALE to find a partner even if he's doing averagely or ok-ish. Sure, earning potential. But what are the odds of me, who do not have family wealth to inherit, able to be a better candidate than the people that have great family wealth waiting?

I think it's kinda ironic that you specifically wanting rich man, but telling people to not love a man for their money. Mind elaborate on this one?
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Actually, if you think about it, they are able to inherit family wealth because of their parents' hard work, and they happened to be fortunate to be born in such families. If we want our next generation to enjoy better life, then we should work hard now.

& I think your question should be "Why didn't you accept the first 4 rich guys, but the last one?"

My answer:
Because the first 4 rich guys are complacent in life. I like men who can create wealth themselves; their inheritance is a bonus, but not a necessity. More specifically, I like the mindset of a winner. Wealth is the outcome of positive/winning mindset. You cannot get rich if you have loser/poverty mindset.

Btw, those men didn't pursue me simultaneously; so I rejected one by one over the years, without knowing who's next for me. If I were after their money, I would have accepted the first man when he first pursued me, coz after all, why would I wait for the unknown/uncertainty?

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QUOTE(Ralna @ Jul 18 2018, 09:07 PM)
See, this is the problem with you guys: always straightaway jump to conclusions, because of your past experiences or whatever failures/ rejections you faced with other "gold-digging" materialistic women. You end up so paranoid and sarcastic, labelling all women as the same bitchy type.

Read carefully again. Did I pursue those men? I didn't. They approached me. & They happened to be of that category. They told me about their background, not like I hunted for them.  I'm not a sugar baby either. Jeez. With their wealth and status, you think they won't know how to differentiate between a gold digger and a real gem?

If you read my previous thread, I don't pursue men; said that many times already. Go study more about the law of attraction.
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Where are my manners?
Congratulations, you made it.

Nah you all have the same trait - looking for the best security. Is that a bad thing? Of course not.

No, you still hunt them - in a way that you're luring your preys with your attributes at the right situation and environment.

You played your cards well. Wish you a great marriage ahead.


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post Jul 18 2018, 09:27 PM

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QUOTE(Lady Irrawaddy @ Jul 18 2018, 09:16 PM)
If make few changes in exchange for a better life, why not?

I find TS is different from average ladies because she is a strategic thinker. Doing something with an aim behind. Congrats as your hard work is well paid off now.

I am not interested to marry a rich man because I basically happy and earning enough.

To me, i appreciate freedom than being a puppet or doll in a rich man world.

Nevertheless, i read 70-80k words per week because of the nature of my job. I find reading is a must and knowledge must be shared at suitable platforms.

As long you are happy.
Again, congrats TS!
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Thanks! You do understand me well compared to the others here. Just last night, I was sleepless, as I was planning my life up to age 40. I have many goals to achieve in life, so I plan from year 2018 to 2027 (10 years). I'm a highly future-oriented person, very practical and strong in executing plans and goals.

One reason I was single for years was... I wasn't interested in getting married, coz I found it dumb to get committed to a man for life, having to get pregnant (= suffering!) and raising up children (headache!). Why would I sacrifice my freedom, youth and beauty to be committed to only one man?

But then, he appeared. I started to ponder having a family life. I guess he's the only exception. If we ever break off the engagement, I'd still prefer to stay single. wink.gif
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post Jul 18 2018, 09:37 PM

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QUOTE(xPrototype @ Jul 18 2018, 09:24 PM)
Where are my manners?
Congratulations, you made it.

Nah you all have the same trait - looking for the best security. Is that a bad thing? Of course not.

No, you still hunt them - in a way that you're luring your preys with your attributes at the right situation and environment.

You played your cards well. Wish you a great marriage ahead.
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Well, can't be helped if they're attracted. In fact, when you are established in life and career, you attract people and opportunities.

Another example is how I get employed. To be honest, I rarely job hunt. Since 2016 to date, I received 17 offers which I never applied for; recruiters and people would look for me to get the job done, as I'm an excellent candidate. After I resigned, within 3 weeks, people contacted me to offer jobs, but I rejected saying I'm on a break.

I don't call this luck. If you want opportunities that other people don't have (be it in studies, career or relationships etc), you have to do things differently from them, otherwise, why would the opportunity be yours?
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post Jul 18 2018, 09:38 PM

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Congrats to TS. It was an interesting read indeed. You explained your back ground and the environment you were so judging you by the situation you were in it was no surprise to me that you chose your current path.

Guys a winner mindset does not necessarily need to acquire wealth and there are fine woman looking for average income man with qualities they desire. TS's mindset doesn't represents the mind set of many wonderful ladies.

I became a SGD millionaire by 26 because I was lucky to work in an industry that pays too well and didn't give me time to spend my money.. I was so busy and focused at work that I just wanted a woman that looks decent enough, will be a good mother, daughter in law, be intelligent enough to bounce ideas with me and above all a good fit to my personality. I wasn't interested in the sophisticated and beautiful high paid banker girls I meet and work with. While single I was more determined than normal guys to get the girl with the right fit to me. I grew up in a broken home with childhood depression as a result so I was more concern about her fit to me and the family I want to build than she being a trophy wife. It is just me and I don't represent every high earning guys out there though I admit my choice are odd among my colleagues.

TS told us what her desire was in context of her background. I appreciate the sharing. Do see her story in the context of her environment

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post Jul 18 2018, 10:04 PM

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QUOTE(BrendonStar @ Jul 18 2018, 09:38 PM)
Congrats to TS. It was an interesting read indeed. You explained your back ground and the environment you were so judging you by the situation you were in it was no surprise to me that you chose your current path.

Guys a winner mindset does not necessarily need to acquire wealth and there are fine woman looking for average income man with qualities they desire. TS's mindset doesn't represents the mind set of many wonderful ladies.

I became a SGD millionaire by 26 because I was lucky to work in an industry that pays too well and didn't give me time to spend my money.. I was so busy and focused at work that I just wanted a woman that looks decent enough,  will be a good mother, daughter in law and able to be intelligent enough to bounce ideas with me. I wasn't interested in the sophisticated and beautiful high paying banker girls I meet. I grew up in a broken home so I was more concern about her fit to me than she being a trophy wife.

TS told us what her desire was in context of her background. I appreciate the sharing
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Thanks, BrendonStar.

Well, my background? It's very sad actually.

I grew up in an abusive, broken family, which was also poor because family asset was frozen by gov; grandpa died without leaving a will. My parents could only afford the basic minimum.

From young, I didn't have any pocket money, so I often had to borrow from my classmates. Yeah, could never forget how they insulted me, "Har? You're so poor meh? Why need to borrow RM1?"

That was humiliation. So I'd rather starve myself sometimes. I also stole before, coz I was too hungry. I grew up having a weak body, always fainted in school coz of hypoglycemia (low blood sugar) and anemia (looked pale).

I realised the importance of money when I was 14 y.o. It was flag day (fund-raising for uniformed body), so my friends and I went around to ask for donation. Then there was this old man, in the hawker centre, said, "讨什么讨,自己不会去赚啊?!" ("beg money for what, go earn it yourself!"). Then he spat on the ground.

Ever since then, I swore to myself to get rich. I had enough of poverty. It was a nightmare.

I was the only one from my hometown who made it to University of Malaya; first-choice course and first-choice uni. Took PTPTN, worked part-time while studying, about 40 hours a week, Monday to Saturday. Sunday was the only day I had to study for tests & finish my assignments for 6-8 subjects. That was my life for a few years, even while doing postgrad studies.

I don't want my children to suffer like me anymore, so I want them to have the best mother (and father) they can ever have. This includes giving them the best environment they can grow up in. All this requires $$$.

That's the other side of my story. In front, I look glamorous, beautiful and successful, but behind, all scars. Can't wipe away my past, but can move on to better future. Tears can't solve problems, but actions can. People can sympathize and emphatize, but it is you yourself who have to do something to change your fate.

If you guys have never been through all these, then don't judge easily. It only shows your ignorance.

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QUOTE(Ralna @ Jul 18 2018, 10:04 PM)
I don't want my children to suffer like me anymore, so I want them to have the best mother (and father) they can ever have. This includes giving them the best environment they can grow up in. All this requires $$$.
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From this statement I can't blame you for choosing what you want, and in this way I was like you chasing the $ except that I did what a guy could. However do note that people generally don't like people that seems to have it all. Like Cain and Abel many will kill those that have it all given a chance.

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post Jul 18 2018, 10:29 PM

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QUOTE(BrendonStar @ Jul 18 2018, 10:17 PM)
From this statement I can't blame you for choosing what you want, and in this way I was like you chasing the $ except that I did what a guy could. However do note that people generally don't like people that seems to have it all. Like Cain and Abel many will kill those that have it all given a chance.
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I know. It's only human to not want to see others living a life better than oneself.

One thing I learnt, is not to envy or get jealous. Coz I was poor, I had many people whom I could envy (or curse them, esp.those who bullied me before), but I didn't.

Jealousy is a sign of weakness/ lack. If you don't have something, aim for it, go get it. What's the use of getting jealous of successful people, celebrities or millionaires when it won't add a single cent in your pocket? It only reflects your inner ugliness and insecurity.

For people like this, they deserve the current (perhaps, miserable) life they have, and not anything better. This is the biggest difference between people with loser-mindset, and winner-mindset. The former is bitter seeing other people's success, while the latter congratulates.
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The journey of life is very long and uncertain.

I hope that you find happiness in the choices that you make and remember that nothing is permanent.

On a side note to guys, just wish TS well and don't move on.
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QUOTE(koolspyda @ Jul 18 2018, 08:33 PM)
Future Tai tai you are not 😂😂

You are hellava catch for him (Ahem) but hor, the thread is kinda downer for some guys whom have great heart but not well off, I mean financially ok, just not wealthy and if all prettiest girls just wait for rich(est) man to scoop them.. how la.

In truth I know there are lots of wealthy (rather successful) men in Malaysia, not all but many do uses their means (position) to sample ‘girls’. Trying not to generalize all wealthy rich men but ok the many pretty girls do know of such men.

Ok I’m deviating.

Nice to help with the tips for girls preparing themselves.
(However) for those who just stumble this thread (and not know what you went thru) may find it a little showy 😇 girl 😬
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Haha... yeah, I still like to work. My career is my pride. Can't be full-time tai-tai like Rosmah. Oops. laugh.gif

I think men who are financially okay with great heart are ideal. Wealth is a result of long-term planning, self-discipline & accumulation. It's not something far and beyond into space. The only obstacle that most working adults have is that they don't believe that they can become wealthy one day, with their average salary. Well, when there's a will, there's a way. What makes people rich is their abilities and talents, not money.

The Jews view wealth as, "For there is poverty and wealth in every occupation. One's occupation does not cause poverty, nor does it bring wealth. All is determined on the basis of one's merit."

merit = the quality of being particularly good or worthy, especially so as to deserve praise or reward.

With the right attitude, mindset and methods, it's only a matter of time before one gets wealthy.
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QUOTE(Ralna @ Jul 18 2018, 07:03 PM)
If you wanna marry a rich man, you gotta have the qualities that they want, and be as perfect as possible. You gotta work on yourself first.

Based on my experience & feedback from them, their checklist of ideal wife material is as follows:

1) Appearance (tall, pretty, attractive) -- presentable when bringing her to attend biz functions
2) Brain (intelligent, ambitious, highly educated) -- to be their partner, and help them in biz & career
3) Filial to his parents -- most of them are the only/eldest son, so what their mum thinks of their woman is very important
4) Can be a good mum -- they want to produce the best offspring
5) Talented -- have other hobbies or talents, e.g. singing, dancing, cooking, socialising etc

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Where would you suggest to meet such woman? hmm.gif
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QUOTE(Ralna @ Jul 18 2018, 07:03 PM)
If you wanna marry a rich man, you gotta have the qualities that they want, and be as perfect as possible. You gotta work on yourself first.

Based on my experience & feedback from them, their checklist of ideal wife material is as follows:

1) Appearance (tall, pretty, attractive) -- presentable when bringing her to attend biz functions
2) Brain (intelligent, ambitious, highly educated) -- to be their partner, and help them in biz & career
3) Filial to his parents -- most of them are the only/eldest son, so what their mum thinks of their woman is very important
4) Can be a good mum -- they want to produce the best offspring
5) Talented -- have other hobbies or talents, e.g. singing, dancing, cooking, socialising etc

It took me 5 years sweat.gif to perfect myself so that I could attract the men I want. Yeah, I stayed single & unavailable for many years, just to polish myself to near-perfection.

How did I do it?

In terms of looks, I have spent nearly RM50k in the past few years on various skincare treatments to look beautiful, such as going for facials, mani/pedicure, hair treatments (rebonding, colouring), doing my eyebrows, lips, skin hair removal & polishing, body massages etc. Yeah, I look naturally pretty without any makeup; no need to edit photos too. With makeup, I look way more gorgeous. (Yeah, spent so much $$$, will of coz look fabulous.)

On a side note, a woman being able to spend RM10k a year on beauty enhancements without getting bankrupt or in bad debt is a sign of high earning power & prudent financial management. Men find rich/high-earning women attractive too, so be one. (Yeah, easier said than done, but can be done.)

Having good looks alone is not enough. If you are an empty flower vase = look good on the outside but have nothing solid inside, rich men will lose interest fast, coz you're no different from those hot chicks they meet.

So yeah, I spent lots of time reading books, esp. biz, finance, investments etc ("dry & boring" for most women), so that I know what to chat with them, and impress them. Then I also developed side interests, and learnt how to cook delicious meals, sing songs etc. & I work out to shape & tone my body; going to be age 30 but still look around mid-20s. 

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Hard work does pay off.

The outcome? Attracted many high-earning professionals, and went on dates with them. (Birds of a feather flock together  wink.gif)

Also attracted several rich men, who pursued/proposed to me:

1) M, eldest son of a bizman who owns a transportation company. Lives in double-storey semi-D, now runs his father's company. Stole my first kiss without consent. Yeah, punched him after that, but he was still happy.

2) L, eldest son of a bizman who owns a timber lodging company. Lives in double-storey bungalow, drove a Mercedez to fetch me at my house before, for an expensive lunch date. Confessed to me and wished to bring me home to meet his parents.

3) C, only son of a rich family, lives in single-storey bungalow, works in Oil & Gas, earning 5-digit MYR a month. Came to my house one late night (around 10pm+) to give me a box of imported chocolates. Parents are family friends.

4) W, only son of a rich biz family, studied in the U.K. Lives in a bungalow, inherits his family business to supply automobile parts to major car manufacturers. Wished to bring me home to meet his parents.

5) K, eldest son of a rich biz family, studied in the U.K. Inherited family wealth, earning 5-digit SGD a month. We're engaged now. Our anniversary trip this year is to Phuket, pre-wedding photoshoot will be in Taiwan, and the reception + honeymoon (destination wedding) will be in Maldives ← he suggested these countries.

Btw, I'm not working currently; he's supporting me financially. I have 1-2 years to relax and go travel, and upgrade myself to tip-top condition so that we can start own biz and family. He and I have discussed earning in MYR and also in USD, and sending our kids to international school.

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When you become the best, you will deserve the best. I didn't come from a rich family; was poor and starving before, but I worked hard to the top in terms of studies and career. That made me into a confident and ambitious lady, and not just sit there dressed in rags with self-pity, and passively waiting & daydreaming for some prince to rescue me. Nah, it doesn't happen that way in real life.

A few things to take note:

Firstly, rich guys don't like it when girls covet their wealth. They can easily sense if you are after them, or after their money. Money is important, but greed and materialism is a huge turn-off.

Secondly, of course, not all of us have the luck to meet/date rich men. It depends on the social circles/social class you are in. If you life is confined to just work and home, then chances are, you ain't gonna meet any of them. You need to actively go out and express yourself, be it in events or gatherings, or online.

Thirdly, it's not easy to manage wealth and multiply it. If you only wanna be a rich tai-tai who can't help much in your husband's biz/career, chances are, years down the road, you're out of the game, as you become liability and no longer asset. With great power (privileges) comes great responsibility and expectations.

Fourthly, if you're dating a guy who is earning an average income, please develop his potential and push him to success. Your aspiration, dreams and energy level can fuel his ambition to give you the life both of you want -- enjoy comfort without worry, and perhaps, a life of luxury one day. Don't just sit there and complain about him (look down on him and make him feel like a loser) when you yourself have done nothing much to upgrade yourself. It must go both ways/ reciprocal. In order to receive, you need to give first. Sow first, and reap later.

Btw, if a man feels he can't catch up on you, he'll either level up his game to be on par with you (great!), or feel insecure enough to let you go/ become controlling.

Lastly, love a man not for his money, but for his personality, his character, dreams and ambitions, and earning potential. The truly rich man is one who can lose everything, smile and start all over again, and earn the same pot of gold in a decade or two. Now that is what I call true wealth. thumbsup.gif

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OK, done sharing my part. Feel free to add on any tips and comments. No trolls pls; it's annoying. 

Btw, if you're a rich guy, feel free to share what you think/ what qualities you're looking for in a woman/ what type of women deserve you. & maybe give a tip or two about how you achieve success/ build wealth for our fellow forumers to learn from.
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QUOTE(cfa28 @ Jul 18 2018, 10:42 PM)
The journey of life is very long and uncertain.

I hope that you find happiness in the choices that you make and remember that nothing is permanent.

On a side note to guys, just wish TS well and don't move on.
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Thank you for your kind wish. smile.gif

Yeah, nothing is permanent. I learnt a new term the other day, called "mortality motivation". Basically, it means when you truly realise your time on earth is short, nothing is permanent and you WILL die anytime, then will you ignite your fullest potential.

I was in my early 20s when I started planning my own will, and how I want my funeral to be if I pass away one day. Normally, people would only think of this when they are in middle age, or in old age.

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The more in tune we become with our mortality, the more apt we are to making this time count. We know that our time is precious and not something to be squandered. Trivial things like entertainment take a back seat while we make moves that truly matter.

Given our finite timeline we must make an effort to cut through the many distractions of life and prioritize things of importance. Guarding our time like a silent guardian only to relinquish these moments to activities of substance.

Rather than giving in to those eager to pull you away from your mission you must stand with a steadfast resolve forever pushing towards your goals in an unrelenting fashion. Taking each day more seriously than the last as our internal timers continue to dwindle.

https://addicted2success.com/life/the-impor...-own-mortality/


Can watch the video here, if you are interested:Here’s How Mortality Motivation Can Help You with Rejections and Failures in Life

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only the people who had experienced hardcore poverty before can have such mindset like TS, while some people in similar situation chose to be trapped by endless self-lamenting, TS belongs to the other end of the spectrum which chose to fight her way out of the poverty instead.

you mentioned that some of the rich dudes you dated before were having complacent mindset, which is not unusual due to their upbringings

since you like to plan way ahead of your time, you should plan the upbringing of your children as not to overindulge them with too much material possession, to avoid them from developing 富二代 attitude, usually kids study in international schools tend to be exposed to such environments


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QUOTE(silverwave @ Jul 18 2018, 10:45 PM)
Where would you suggest to meet such woman?  hmm.gif
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Hobby classes, self-improvement courses, gym?, biz events (career fairs, talks, workshops etc) and hobby gatherings (e.g. discussion groups)
FYI, I have attended those myself, and met other women of similar qualities.

Another way to find them is to see what they post on Facebook. Usually, those who are progressive will post insightful articles.


QUOTE(ViNC3 @ Jul 18 2018, 10:48 PM)
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QUOTE(PhakFuhZai @ Jul 18 2018, 10:58 PM)
only the people who had experienced hardcore poverty before can have such mindset like TS, while some people in similar situation chose to be trapped by endless self-lamenting, TS belongs to the other end of the spectrum which chose to fight her way out of the poverty instead.

you mentioned that some of the rich dudes you dated before were having complacent mindset, which is not unusual due to their upbringings

since you like to plan way ahead of your time, you should plan the upbringing of your children as not to overindulge them with too much material possession, to avoid them from developing 富二代 attitude, usually kids study in international schools tend to be exposed to such environments
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Yeah, so I told him I wanna send our kids to Chinese primary schools, and only then to international secondary schools. Just last night, I was telling him about humanitarian education for the younger generation, including for our kids.

I was an educator myself, and I was trained in disciplining children and teenagers the effective way. Told him I can't stand having a bunch of useless kids sitting at home doing nothing productive. I was bullied before, so yeah, dislike spoilt brats. He also grew up with strict upbringing; his mother was a teacher, which was why he wasn't spoilt. LOL. biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(Ralna @ Jul 18 2018, 11:04 PM)
Hobby classes, self-improvement courses, gym?, biz events (career fairs, talks, workshops etc) and hobby gatherings (e.g. discussion groups)
FYI, I have attended those myself, and met other women of similar qualities.
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Commercial gym with classes, yes, no doubt, i've seen it.

For the others that you've mentioned, are these exclusive events with private invites or normal public events? How do you get to know such events? Online, papers?

p/s: i think i've been spending too much time at work till i've neglected my social life, so i'm trying to fix it before it's too late biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(silverwave @ Jul 18 2018, 11:21 PM)
Commercial gym with classes, yes, no doubt, i've seen it.

For the others that you've mentioned, are these exclusive events with private invites or normal public events? How do you get to know such events? Online, papers?

p/s: i think i've been spending too much time at work till i've neglected my social life, so i'm trying to fix it before it's too late  biggrin.gif
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off topic but most of the so-called "seminars" are nothing more than preview classes which lure you to swipe your CC to sign up for classes like online business, investment, lucky number readings, etc etc

you can find alot of these in FB ads or Eventbrite
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QUOTE(silverwave @ Jul 18 2018, 11:21 PM)
Commercial gym with classes, yes, no doubt, i've seen it.

For the others that you've mentioned, are these exclusive events with private invites or normal public events? How do you get to know such events? Online, papers?

p/s: i think i've been spending too much time at work till i've neglected my social life, so i'm trying to fix it before it's too late  biggrin.gif
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Public events-- EventBrite, FB Events, sponsored Ads, posts that your friends share (public runs, group outings etc)
Hobby classes-- purchase on Fave, go with friends
Gatherings- Meetup app, learning circles (in SG), join local clubs (e.g. Toastmasters), NGOs, e.g. https://www.dosomething.gd/

Another way is to join FB communities where you can meet like-minded individuals.

There are also men who use LinkedIn to chat up with women; I've made friends with a few there, but please don't abuse it okay.


QUOTE(PhakFuhZai @ Jul 18 2018, 11:36 PM)
off topic but most of the so-called "seminars" are nothing more than preview classes which lure you to swipe your CC to sign up for classes like online business, investment, lucky number readings, etc etc

you can find alot of these in FB ads or Eventbrite
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Yeah, but there are also some good ones. Just need to be selective. & keep your CC at home if you are curious but afraid to get persuaded to sign up.

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QUOTE(silverwave @ Jul 19 2018, 12:21 AM)
Commercial gym with classes, yes, no doubt, i've seen it.

For the others that you've mentioned, are these exclusive events with private invites or normal public events? How do you get to know such events? Online, papers?

p/s: i think i've been spending too much time at work till i've neglected my social life, so i'm trying to fix it before it's too late  biggrin.gif
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You are not looking hard enough 😬

There are, there are but many are too, probably too young for me.

Recently meet a (chinese) artist/vj/actor, another a beauty consultant who works at the famous, famous XX XXX clinic (quite big name & has several franchises) and she supposedly one hellava dancer too 💃 (sigh all too young)

All this was, well my friend brought me to attend an “cafe opening” (me gatecrasher, he wasn’t), every men there was some “Datuk” (their cards all listed their titles & business) when there is such a “gatherings”, sure there will be magnet of LL

I was probably the only few non-wealthy men there, well I’ll group myself with some of the (local) actors.

Pretty girls out there, I believe there are. “Single & available” they are not. More like “it’s complicated” status for them. I know some rather have such to fend off some (not my type) guys, even though they probably aren’t ready to settle down that one they are going out with.


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QUOTE(Ralna @ Jul 18 2018, 07:03 PM)
Btw, if you're a rich guy, feel free to share what you think/ what qualities you're looking for in a woman/ what type of women deserve you. & maybe give a tip or two about how you achieve success/ build wealth for our fellow forumers to learn from.
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How rich is rich?

To me rich is never needing to worry about money while living in high society.

I would not want a woman to try so hard like yourself just to crave attention of rich men. Working out is fine. Doing all that facial, manicure etc, really?


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All this is true and important. However i think for rich men out there, not all of them is looking for a trophy wife. Some looked for partner akin to a sailor looking for a safe harbour after a long day out.

If i were rich, instead of getting a higly ambitious and driven women, i would prefer to have a warm and gentle soul. Someone that is light hearted, warm, caring yet simple and straight forward. Thats why you see many successful people supringsingly many of their wife are plain janes and very down to earth instead of looking like a cast out of 90210.
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First off, kudos on what you have achieved. Interesting read.

QUOTE(Ralna @ Jul 18 2018, 07:03 PM)
Btw, if you're a rich guy, feel free to share what you think/ what qualities you're looking for in a woman/ what type of women deserve you. & maybe give a tip or two about how you achieve success/ build wealth for our fellow forumers to learn from.
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It would be someone who is genuinely polite, warm and caring. A way I use to judge a person is not by the way she treats me, my family or my friends but how she treats others that are discerning to her (eg. the maid, waitress, janitor, etc), if she is rude, looks down on them or treats them badly. I have met a girl who is nice to me and buys nice things for my family but the way she treats/scolds a worker for an accidental mistake simply disgusts me. Feels like she puts on a mask and acts nice when in front of concerning people. Triggering her anger is a great way to see her true nature, people are most genuine and says the truest words when they are angry.

The type of women for me, has to be someone that I am attracted to physically (undeniably) but she also has to be someone who is genuinely gentle, polite, forgiving, independent and reliable. It is important for me to have someone reliable who is able to hold the fort back at home with the family and kids when I for whatever reason, have to be away.

Some things I believe in-
1. Every problem is an opportunity to make money. The bigger the problem, the better the $$$.
2. Chasing bigger things in life often requires $$$. I will not think "I cannot afford it" but rather "how I can afford it" and when I have it, "how can I make it, make $$$ for me".
3. Worry lesser on the cost of things but think of the value it will bring.
4. Always be willing to invest time or money (or both) to acquire new knowledge.

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Richman has more entertaining than accompanying with family.
Don't think is so bad, just depends on how you need or comfort for a long-term relationship.
He can give you that much, he also can give for others same as your benefits.
Anyway if wanna love just goes ahead.
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had an acquintance, she does sales, SPM only.

blessed with decent looks, but dayday go clubbing and hnghh and piap the rich guys/clients. received many gifts and countless sponsored makeovers by them and even allowance. invested those allowance on surgical enhancement to push the hnghh factor further.

In the end married the highest bidder, a 6digit guy (some director of a carmaker MNC). Moved overseas with him to his country. supports her fully and all she needs to do is maintain her appearance and physique while full time make+raise babies entertain in-laws #truestory

moral of the story: for women, if one's ego and self-respect values can be discarded , gold-diggers more powerrrrr rclxms.gifrclxms.gif
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you spoke wise words and congratulations on getting on the path of life that you wanted thumbsup.gif

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QUOTE(doomgoy @ Jul 19 2018, 01:41 AM)
Law of attraction is horseshit. It's not even a law like gravity is, having blind optimism isn't gonna do shit for you.
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Very insightful and motivating.

It applies to those who wish to create successful life.

Marrying a rich man is just a bonus. One doesn't need a king when she can build her own empire.

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QUOTE(PhakFuhZai @ Jul 18 2018, 11:36 PM)
off topic but most of the so-called "seminars" are nothing more than preview classes which lure you to swipe your CC to sign up for classes like online business, investment, lucky number readings, etc etc

you can find alot of these in FB ads or Eventbrite
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To be honest, that was my exact thought about such seminars.

QUOTE(Ralna @ Jul 18 2018, 11:51 PM)
Public events-- EventBrite, FB Events, sponsored Ads, posts that your friends share (public runs, group outings etc)
Hobby classes-- purchase on Fave, go with friends
Gatherings- Meetup app, learning circles (in SG), join local clubs (e.g. Toastmasters), NGOs, e.g. https://www.dosomething.gd/

Another way is to join FB communities where you can meet like-minded individuals.

There are also men who use LinkedIn to chat up with women; I've made friends with a few there, but please don't abuse it okay.
Yeah, but there are also some good ones. Just need to be selective. & keep your CC at home if you are curious but afraid to get persuaded to sign up.
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Alright, will have a look at some of it, thank you smile.gif

QUOTE(koolspyda @ Jul 18 2018, 11:58 PM)
You are not looking hard enough 😬

There are, there are but many are too, probably too young for me.

Recently meet a (chinese) artist/vj/actor, another a beauty consultant who works at the famous, famous XX XXX clinic (quite big name & has several franchises) and she supposedly one hellava dancer too 💃 (sigh all too young)

All this was, well my friend brought me to attend an “cafe opening” (me gatecrasher, he wasn’t), every men there was some “Datuk” (their cards all listed their titles & business) when there is such a “gatherings”, sure there will be magnet of LL

I was probably the only few non-wealthy men there, well I’ll group myself with some of the (local) actors.

Pretty girls out there, I believe there are. “Single & available” they are not. More like “it’s complicated” status for them. I know some rather have such to fend off some (not my type) guys, even though they probably aren’t ready to settle down that one they are going out with.
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True, i need to put myself out there more and network. I've been to similar events when i was in my late teen/early 20s and i use to look up at their success. I didn't really see the importance of networking at that point and later on work/studies got in the way, so i didn't really focus on it. Now as i get older, i see the importance of it so i want to get back. Greatest lesson i've learned from this is to always have a balance in life biggrin.gif
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What ts has posted is true, albeit a bit harsh. But that’s the reality of life, law of attraction is true and it works.

In regards to rich guys inheriting their fortune, that is also true that a lot of rich people are generally rich because of their family’s wealth - if you’re not inheriting a family wealth, it doesn’t mean you can’t be rich, it’s just harder.

Also, family wealth if not managed properly can easily be gone in one generation, it just takes one char siew to destroy the wealth that’s been built for many generations.

A sign of s truly rich guy is that he will try his level best to add to the family wealth instead of using it.
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QUOTE(New Klang @ Jul 19 2018, 12:08 AM)
How rich is rich?

To me rich is never needing to worry about money while living in high society.

I would not want a woman to try so hard like yourself just to crave attention of rich men. Working out is fine. Doing all that facial, manicure etc, really?
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QUOTE(WindofChaos @ Jul 19 2018, 01:30 AM)
You wouldn't want to blame a woman to maximize her smv.
economic/sexual marketplace is always competitive.

same with guys with money, or game. Women have to use these artificial materials to boost their physical values, because unconsciously even they don't want to admit it, looks are primarily the #1 thing (perhaps the most importantly) guy looks for, biologically we seek out for younger, more fertile woman.
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I always have valid reasons to do things = didn't do the treatments to merely attract men. Let me paraphrase your question to "Why do you need so many beauty treatments?"

This is the reason why:

Before/After facial treatments, took one year, 2015-2016. Painful; anesthetics (numb cream) required.

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Had serious acne for more than a decade. Tried many products, only to make it worse. Anyway, now it's fully cured after treatments; no more acne eruptions or scars. Most of my treatments were restorative; only the cheaper ones were for aesthetic purpose, like mani/pedicure, which most girls also like, esp. for attending events.

My point is, it's important to look good and presentable = need to spend money on enhancing/maintaining appearance. Of course, most ladies don't suffer as much, so they don't need to spend so much.

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Again, men (in general) have the tendency to always straightaway make assumptions and jump to conclusions. If my friends hear my stories, they will ask "Why did you spend so much money?" instead of straightaway labelling me as "You're so vain & superficial, doing all these to attract men".

If men keep having stereotypes about women and view all women as the same, then it will be difficult for women to communicate a different POV to men, coz "you guys don't listen". Perhaps this is also why women don't reply to men's texts, or take forever to reply men, or they get impatient/agitated easily when talking to men.

Learn to read between the lines & consider this: Which normal woman would spend 50k on non-surgical treatments? It's either she's purely vain, or she had the need to do so. If you know I'm the brainy/intellectual type, then most likely, I spent so much because I had the need to do so. Otherwise, the money could have been well-spent on upgrading my car or for travelling.

In my case, poverty (starving and undernourished since childhood) & working like a donkey while studying (undergrad) had done a great deal of damage to my health and beauty. My fiance said I looked like someone who just got out of a concentration camp. I was skinny as skeleton, yellowish-pale, always weak and tired. That's how bad I looked. That's why it took 5 years to restore 20 years of damage. On top of that, I needed lots of sleep/rest and supplements to recover.

Even now, though my appearance has recovered, I'm still resting/ not working, coz internally, I'm still not fully healed. My previous job was so stressful that my hair kept falling and I vomited every morning before I went to work. This happened for a few months, so he got worried seeing my scalp thinning, and said it's good to quit and rest at home. My body was so weak till he's worried I might have miscarriage if I got pregnant; hence, we postponed the wedding plans.

Normal women don't need to spend so much $ on treatments, so please don't apply your stereotypical mindset esp. when you read about extreme cases/ extraordinary life stories. Learn to find out the intention behind actions, instead of assuming it yourself.

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I admired TS hard work and the strategic thinking mind.

I have daughter myself.

One thing that really making me thinking over and over again, after reading the post.....after a person has done all those things....are they still the same them...or they are actually living their life behind a fabricated mask?

i love wealthy life, but i think i am still an ordinary person, i always teach my kid love and caring the most important element in life, money come later.

congra TS, you have done things that not ordinary person can get in life.
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QUOTE(tkyong1 @ Jul 19 2018, 10:40 AM)
I admired TS hard work and the strategic thinking mind.

I have daughter myself.

One thing that really making me thinking over and over again, after reading the post.....after a person has done all those things....are they still the same them...or they are actually living their life behind a fabricated mask?

i love wealthy life, but i think i am still an ordinary person, i always teach my kid love and caring the most important element in life, money come later.

congra TS, you have done things that not ordinary person can get in life.
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QUOTE(mist8 @ Jul 19 2018, 10:00 AM)
Very insightful and motivating.

It applies to those who wish to create successful life.

Marrying a rich man is just a bonus. One doesn't need a king when she can build her own empire.
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Yes, totally agree with the statement in bold.

I lived as a queen, but then met this king, he suggested to build a bigger empire together and have princes and princesses together. I thought about it for a year, ok agreed, so we're together to conquer and expand our territory.

Basically, 2 types of women aiming for rich men:
1) the gold-digging type-- very common & easy to spot, leeched on others to get rich
2) the queen type-- ambitious in career & highly driven in life, self-made rich

QUOTE(tkyong1 @ Jul 19 2018, 10:40 AM)
I admired TS hard work and the strategic thinking mind.

I have daughter myself.

One thing that really making me thinking over and over again, after reading the post.....after a person has done all those things....are they still the same them...or they are actually living their life behind a fabricated mask?

i love wealthy life, but i think i am still an ordinary person, i always teach my kid love and caring the most important element in life, money come later.

congra TS, you have done things that not ordinary person can get in life.
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Answering your question, I am still me, but better version.

I couldn't change my sad past, but I didn't have to live that past forever. To get out of poverty, you need to have strategy and execution. Wealth don't just fall from the sky like rain from the clouds. In my case, I built my own wealth first, and then I met wealthy men. Birds of a feather flock together.

I don't live behind a fabricated mask, coz I am transparent & direct, dare to expose my full story, to tell about who I was/ what happened, who I am now/ what is happening, and who I will be/ what will happen. I don't hate/deny my past self to the point of re-creating a new identity and erasing everything from the past. I still have my old friends who know of my transformation, and I also make new friends who learn of my past, eventually.

& building wealth doesn't mean you need to be black-hearted & lose all your virtues. This is one common misconception. FYI, I'm probably one of the kindest people you can ever meet in your life, and that's because I had suffered a lot in the past.

Bad people can build & enjoy wealth, so does good people. It's just that HK dramas & the media tend to paint a bad picture about rich people.

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If you wanna marry a rich man, you gotta have the qualities that they want, and be as perfect as possible. You gotta work on yourself first.

Based on my experience & feedback from them, their checklist of ideal wife material is as follows:

1) Appearance (tall, pretty, attractive) -- presentable when bringing her to attend biz functions
2) Brain (intelligent, ambitious, highly educated) -- to be their partner, and help them in biz & career
3) Filial to his parents -- most of them are the only/eldest son, so what their mum thinks of their woman is very important
4) Can be a good mum -- they want to produce the best offspring
5) Talented -- have other hobbies or talents, e.g. singing, dancing, cooking, socialising etc

It took me 5 years sweat.gif to perfect myself so that I could attract the men I want. Yeah, I stayed single & unavailable for many years, just to polish myself to near-perfection.

How did I do it?

In terms of looks, I have spent nearly RM50k in the past few years on various skincare treatments to look beautiful, such as going for facials, mani/pedicure, hair treatments (rebonding, colouring), doing my eyebrows, lips, skin hair removal & polishing, body massages etc. Yeah, I look naturally pretty without any makeup; no need to edit photos too. With makeup, I look way more gorgeous. (Yeah, spent so much $$$, will of coz look fabulous.)

On a side note, a woman being able to spend RM10k a year on beauty enhancements without getting bankrupt or in bad debt is a sign of high earning power & prudent financial management. Men find rich/high-earning women attractive too, so be one. (Yeah, easier said than done, but can be done.)

Having good looks alone is not enough. If you are an empty flower vase = look good on the outside but have nothing solid inside, rich men will lose interest fast, coz you're no different from those hot chicks they meet.

So yeah, I spent lots of time reading books, esp. biz, finance, investments etc ("dry & boring" for most women), so that I know what to chat with them, and impress them. Then I also developed side interests, and learnt how to cook delicious meals, sing songs etc. & I work out to shape & tone my body; going to be age 30 but still look around mid-20s. 

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Hard work does pay off.

The outcome? Attracted many high-earning professionals, and went on dates with them. (Birds of a feather flock together  wink.gif)

Also attracted several rich men, who pursued/proposed to me:

1) M, eldest son of a bizman who owns a transportation company. Lives in double-storey semi-D, now runs his father's company. Stole my first kiss without consent. Yeah, punched him after that, but he was still happy.

2) L, eldest son of a bizman who owns a timber lodging company. Lives in double-storey bungalow, drove a Mercedez to fetch me at my house before, for an expensive lunch date. Confessed to me and wished to bring me home to meet his parents.

3) C, only son of a rich family, lives in single-storey bungalow, works in Oil & Gas, earning 5-digit MYR a month. Came to my house one late night (around 10pm+) to give me a box of imported chocolates. Parents are family friends.

4) W, only son of a rich biz family, studied in the U.K. Lives in a bungalow, inherits his family business to supply automobile parts to major car manufacturers. Wished to bring me home to meet his parents.

5) K, eldest son of a rich biz family, studied in the U.K. Inherited family wealth, earning 5-digit SGD a month. We're engaged now. Our anniversary trip this year is to Phuket, pre-wedding photoshoot will be in Taiwan, and the reception + honeymoon (destination wedding) will be in Maldives ← he suggested these countries.

Btw, I'm not working currently; he's supporting me financially. I have 1-2 years to relax and go travel, and upgrade myself to tip-top condition so that we can start own biz and family. He and I have discussed earning in MYR and also in USD, and sending our kids to international school.

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When you become the best, you will deserve the best. I didn't come from a rich family; was poor and starving before, but I worked hard to the top in terms of studies and career. That made me into a confident and ambitious lady, and not just sit there dressed in rags with self-pity, and passively waiting & daydreaming for some prince to rescue me. Nah, it doesn't happen that way in real life.

A few things to take note:

Firstly, rich guys don't like it when girls covet their wealth. They can easily sense if you are after them, or after their money. Money is important, but greed and materialism is a huge turn-off.

Secondly, of course, not all of us have the luck to meet/date rich men. It depends on the social circles/social class you are in. If you life is confined to just work and home, then chances are, you ain't gonna meet any of them. You need to actively go out and express yourself, be it in events or gatherings, or online.

Thirdly, it's not easy to manage wealth and multiply it. If you only wanna be a rich tai-tai who can't help much in your husband's biz/career, chances are, years down the road, you're out of the game, as you become liability and no longer asset. With great power (privileges) comes great responsibility and expectations.

Fourthly, if you're dating a guy who is earning an average income, please develop his potential and push him to success. Your aspiration, dreams and energy level can fuel his ambition to give you the life both of you want -- enjoy comfort without worry, and perhaps, a life of luxury one day. Don't just sit there and complain about him (look down on him and make him feel like a loser) when you yourself have done nothing much to upgrade yourself. It must go both ways/ reciprocal. In order to receive, you need to give first. Sow first, and reap later.

Btw, if a man feels he can't catch up on you, he'll either level up his game to be on par with you (great!), or feel insecure enough to let you go/ become controlling.

Lastly, love a man not for his money, but for his personality, his character, dreams and ambitions, and earning potential. The truly rich man is one who can lose everything, smile and start all over again, and earn the same pot of gold in a decade or two. Now that is what I call true wealth. thumbsup.gif

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OK, done sharing my part. Feel free to add on any tips and comments. No trolls pls; it's annoying. 

Btw, if you're a rich guy, feel free to share what you think/ what qualities you're looking for in a woman/ what type of women deserve you. & maybe give a tip or two about how you achieve success/ build wealth for our fellow forumers to learn from.
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I have read a lot of your posts and I have a few things to say:

1. Your points are mostly valid, but the overall message is often highly contradictory. Taken point by point, it makes sense, but when considered end-to-end, full of contradiction.

2. You're too full of yourself. Period. Your choice of words, outlook of life and view of the world says it all.

3. Your upbringing is certainly harder than half of those here who complains but it pales in comparison when you draw comparisons of those who have gone through war time. So no, you don't get the ultimate bragging rights. There are many here who also have tough times in their life, and came to different conclusions about life.

4. Coming back to your article, it only exemplifies the maxim 'Girls are only after money'. The intent of the post (as written in the title) is to get hooked up to a rich man, and so is 80% of the content of the post. Your points are factually correct, doing what you mentioned will increase the probability of a rich man going after the girl significantly. I have no doubt on that. It is precisely the focus of this article that solidifies the true and tested statement "Ada wang ada amoi" and "Girls are gold diggers".

Only towards the 4th point did you mention "if you're dating a guy who is earning an average income, please develop his potential and push him to success". This is good advice, but note the placement of the point which is rather at the bottom. And this statement is really in contradiction with the overall message of getting married to a rich guy (and quite explicitly, a rich guy through inheritance from your many example). Fundamentally, it is quite clear to me that deep within your psyche, material success and wealth forms the main driver of many things that you do.

5. You're very strategic and articulate. Articulate people usually get things done, and the way they want it. To sum it up, you're factual, confident to the point of too full of yourself, strategic and borderline cunning. You may / may not realize this yourself.

6. "Btw, if a man feels he can't catch up on you, he'll either level up his game to be on par with you (great!), or feel insecure enough to let you go/ become controlling."

For someone intelligent to say this, it reflects on how you view people. There is the 3rd option, a much more human path which I an undertaking. A truly 'we' path, not I vs my partner path. There are parts of life where I know I am not as good as my wife, and instead of 'up my game' or become insecure, I supported her and make my own sacrifices to better our financials. So I did not 'up my game' as you put it, because I didn't need to. She's my wife, what is there to 'up'? Whatever she's earning will be ours in the future.

Then again, for someone as factual as intelligent as you, you may be too smart to appreciate this. You've taken a completely different route, by choosing to marry a rich man for his riches, along with other reasons. The footing of this is based a lot on material success. Your future partner may also have good potential, but it is a completely different ball game to build riches from scratch. I personally would have preferred to marry with the main aim to build things up together, one where the 'we' comes first, where I don't have to up my game, because we are one.

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What ts has posted is true, albeit a bit harsh. But that’s the reality of life, law of attraction is true and it works.

In regards to rich guys inheriting their fortune, that is also true that a lot of rich people are generally rich because of their family’s wealth - if you’re not inheriting a family wealth, it doesn’t mean you can’t be rich, it’s just harder.

Also, family wealth if not managed properly can easily be gone in one generation, it just takes one char siew to destroy the wealth that’s been built for many generations.

A sign of s truly rich guy is that he will try his level best to add to the family wealth instead of using it.
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I shared here (another subforum thread) before;

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If you think we're lucky, well, do know that wealth doesn't come freely. My grandpa was a poor farmer's son from China, while my bf's grandpa was a rickshaw worker from China. Because of grandparents' hard work (to earn money or start biz in Malaysia), our parents enjoyed slightly better lives. Now that it's our turn, we would also want our children to enjoy better lives too.

So if you have had enough of your parents' financial mess, think of what you can do to change that fate, so that your future children will not suffer as well.

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QUOTE(koolspyda @ Jul 18 2018, 08:33 PM)

You are hellava catch for him (Ahem) but hor, the thread is kinda downer for some guys whom have great heart but not well off, I mean financially ok, just not wealthy and if all prettiest girls just wait for rich(est) man to scoop them.. how la.
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But why only target the prettiest girls if you know you are only average?
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QUOTE(Ralna @ Jul 19 2018, 10:33 AM)
I always have valid reasons to do things = didn't do the treatments to merely attract men. Let me paraphrase your question to "Why do you need so many beauty treatments?"

This is the reason why:

Before/After facial treatments, took one year, 2015-2016. Painful; anesthetics (numb cream) required.

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Had serious acne for more than a decade. Tried many products, only to make it worse. Anyway, now it's fully cured after treatments; no more acne eruptions or scars. Most of my treatments were restorative; only the cheaper ones were for aesthetic purpose, like mani/pedicure, which most girls also like, esp. for attending events.

My point is, it's important to look good and presentable = need to spend money on enhancing/maintaining appearance. Of course, most ladies don't suffer as much, so they don't need to spend so much.

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Normal women don't need to spend so much $ on treatments, so please don't apply your stereotypical mindset esp. when you read about extreme cases/ extraordinary life stories. Learn to find out the intention behind actions, instead of assuming it yourself.
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There is some misunderstanding which made me commented. Your first post described you as a person who had enhanced her beauty. Your recent post described you as a person who had a mild skin medical condition.

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There is some misunderstanding which made me commented. Your first post described you as a person who had enhanced her beauty. Your recent post described you as a person who had a mild skin medical condition.

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if i'm rich i wont choose TS, simply because i wouldn't want my children to bear poor gene and get acne, that alone, money can't buy sad.gif
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Sounds like your only way/plan of becoming rich is to marry a rich guy. Unless you haven't shared about your plans to get rich on your OWN abilities.

I don't think a hardworking or determined person would stop working for 1-2 years. Furthermore, you seem to be living expensively off your fiance's money. You implied that you had 'high earning power & prudent financial management', but you don't have any savings to support yourself?

Your whole topic revolves around money, money, rich, rich.
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So this is Malaysian female version of self empowerment.
Guess I'm not going back then.
This might be a good screenshot answer for question like: why you don't find a girlfriend back in Malaysia? biggrin.gif
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1. I leave it to the readers to analyse themselves. My writing style is more to argumentative type, i.e. consider 2 different views from extreme ends.

2. Some people can be naturally humble, but not me. It's difficult for me to fake it, and I don't believe in false humility that's prevalent in Asian cultures. I'm more to the high-profile type, outspoken and naturally bold. Depends on how you see it, some people admire my confidence/being outspoken while some people see it as conceit/bragging. But one thing holds true: I don't insult people and trample on them to achieve what I want.

Again, please consider the context here: We're in a forum, fully word-based. I need to give background information, lots of info is missing coz we all don't know each other in real life, so we are unable to judge a person based on other cues, e.g. body language and voice tone. In real life, it'll be easier/fairer to judge whether a person is a braggart or not.

3. Tell me when is real war gonna happen. If it's unlikely, then each person has his/her own battles to go through, with some battles tougher than the other. If those who had tough times came to different conclusions, feel free to share their own perspectives.

4. 'Girls are only after money' is partially true. I'd put it this way: women want financial security, and financial security is part of ensuring basic needs are met first, and only then the needs from the higher levels can be met later. Even if a woman marries a poor guy, she'll want him to be rich one day (or at least, can provide a life of comfort, if luxury is out of reach). It's not just for her, but for the family.

5. I agree with the part "borderline cunning". Well, this can be used for good or bad. Anything that is an opinion/ adjective, is always subjective to individual interpretation and depends on the context. If you use it the bad way, then it's cunning. If you use it the good way, then it's strategic. I don't use my intellect to frame/con people, so labelling me as cunning is a bit unfair, isn't it?

6. You're talking in terms of after marriage. My context is before marriage, during dating phase, where finances are separated between partners. You feel secure now, or maybe she gives you the assurance before marriage, hence you don't do either.


Lastly, why do I take this route? Simple. I don't have the patience to wait for a man to build up his wealth from scratch. When a man is a few years older than me, and when I was taking years of youth to build my own wealth, what was he doing? Why should I wait for a man in his 30s to build his wealth when I myself, in my 20s, have built mine? Don't you think there's incompatibility issues here, in terms of level of ambition, intellect and capability?

& why I aim for material success? Coz without bread and butter, your whatever ideals and morals are BS. If you had suffered poverty before to the point you wanna commit suicide, you wouldn't be thinking of morals and ideals, or "we". That's the last thing you would think of, in fact.

Btw, what do you expect, me marrying a plain ordinary man? I can't. Firstly, he'll get intimated and overwhelmed by my ambition and goals. Secondly, I need someone who is equally strong and supportive, in terms of personal character, abilities and finances, to be able to handle the challenges that come along. Thirdly, by going far and beyond in life, do you think plain ordinary men would want this? Most of them may just want a quiet & simple life, but that's not the life I want.

FYI, my fiance and I have been interviewed by the media a few times. Our names & pics appeared in websites of FMT, The Malaysian Insider, The Star & BFM, to date. Just last week, I was interviewed by local film-making crew; took 2 hours. That's the type of life I am living.

So, if you think there are average income-earners who enjoy media exposure and dare to speak up in public, or establish biz, media and political connections, feel free to introduce to me so that I can have a different POV. Otherwise, based on my years of meeting men and making observations, this is how I currently think.





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Sounds like your only way/plan of becoming rich is to marry a rich guy. Unless you haven't shared about your plans to get rich on your OWN abilities.

I don't think a hardworking or determined person would stop working for 1-2 years. Furthermore, you seem to be living expensively off your fiance's money. You implied that you had 'high earning power & prudent financial management',  but you don't have any savings to support yourself?

Your whole topic revolves around money, money, rich, rich.
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one day husband touch wood d back to poor life
meanwhile i witness 3 auntie, one bear famous restaurant and icecream, one doing oyster sauce, one more dunno do what already
all husband pass away early but manage to become wealthy succeeding his business and also take care of the children
cukur otherwise the children suffer nia cos of bimbo mum
maybe me old fashion, but same as football, i will invest at talent, not tin kosong

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QUOTE(TheEvilMan @ Jul 19 2018, 11:41 AM)
if i'm rich i wont choose TS, simply because i wouldn't want my children to bear poor gene and get acne, that alone, money can't buy sad.gif
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this is harsh but kinda true also sweat.gif
it is not unusual to see people who had been in hardcore poverty to have mindset like TS, it is hard to describe in words, it's just suffocating in the eyes of average "comfortable" people out there. The real wealthy people like Bill Gates or Warren Buffet don't pursue the superficial material possessions, they are thinking of how to give back to the society

maybe at a later point in time, when TS reaches certain milestone, she will soften a bit and not overly aggressive in pursuing things in life
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Ask anyone, would you rather be rich or poor?

Almost all will choose to be rich instead of poor

After all, when you are poor and heartbroken you maybe crying in the rain with nowhere to go

When you are rich and heartbroken you can choose to be crying in the rain or crying sitting in a luxury car or inside you luxury house

TS just sharing her life story of how to marry WELL

Marry well is different to marrying right or marrying rich

If I am a rich person looking for a wife, I would want a wife that does not APPEAR to be after me for my money but after me for who I am

Of course part of who I am is my wealth and of course that maybe part of what what makes me attractive to pretty girls

But all rich people have egos and finding a wife that APPEARS to want him for who he is instead of his wealth satisfies his ego

Of course, things can change after marriage.............
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QUOTE(New Klang @ Jul 19 2018, 11:40 AM)
There is some misunderstanding which made me commented. Your first post described you as a person who had enhanced her beauty. Your recent post described you as a person who had a mild skin medical condition.

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I know. It's okay. Well, I can't be talking about my skin conditions in the first post, can I? That would be kinda off-topic. My point is, I put in efforts to look good (for whatever reasons), coz appearance is important.

QUOTE(TheEvilMan @ Jul 19 2018, 11:41 AM)
if i'm rich i wont choose TS, simply because i wouldn't want my children to bear poor gene and get acne, that alone, money can't buy sad.gif
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Having acne = poor gene? Man, go read some books on dermatology.

AS IF your genes are so perfect and flawless.
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1. I leave it to the readers to analyse themselves. My writing style is more to argumentative type, i.e. consider 2 different views from extreme ends.

2. Some people can be naturally humble, but not me. It's difficult for me to fake it, and I don't believe in false humility that's prevalent in Asian cultures. I'm more to the high-profile type, outspoken and naturally bold. Depends on how you see it, some people admire my confidence/being outspoken while some people see it as conceit/bragging. But one thing holds true: I don't insult people and trample on them to achieve what I want.

Again, please consider the context here: We're in a forum, fully word-based. I need to give background information, lots of info is missing coz we all don't know each other in real life, so we are unable to judge a person based on other cues, e.g. body language and voice tone. In real life, it'll be easier/fairer to judge whether a person is a braggart or not.

3. Tell me when is real war gonna happen. If it's unlikely, then each person has his/her own battles to go through, with some battles tougher than the other. If those who had tough times came to different conclusions, feel free to share their own perspectives.

4. 'Girls are only after money' is partially true. I'd put it this way: women want financial security, and financial security is part of ensuring basic needs are met first, and only then the needs from the higher levels can be met later. Even if a woman marries a poor guy, she'll want him to be rich one day (or at least, can provide a life of comfort, if luxury is out of reach). It's not just for her, but for the family.

5. I agree with the part "borderline cunning". Well, this can be used for good or bad. Anything that is an opinion/ adjective, is always subjective to individual interpretation and depends on the context. If you use it the bad way, then it's cunning. If you use it the good way, then it's strategic. I don't use my intellect to frame/con people, so labelling me as cunning is a bit unfair, isn't it?

6. You're talking in terms of after marriage. My context is before marriage, during dating phase, where finances are separated between partners. You feel secure now, or maybe she gives you the assurance before marriage, hence you don't do either.
Lastly, why do I take this route? Simple. I don't have the patience to wait for a man to build up his wealth from scratch. When a man is a few years older than me, and when I was taking years of youth to build my own wealth, what was he doing? Why should I wait for a man in his 30s to build his wealth when I myself, in my 20s, have built mine? Don't you think there's incompatibility issues here, in terms of level of ambition, intellect and capability?

& why I aim for material success? Coz without bread and butter, your whatever ideals and morals are BS. If you had suffered poverty before to the point you wanna commit suicide, you wouldn't be thinking of morals and ideals, or "we". That's the last thing you would think of, in fact.

Btw, what do you expect, me marrying a plain ordinary man? I can't. Firstly, he'll get intimated and overwhelmed by my ambition and goals. Secondly, I need someone who is equally strong and supportive, in terms of personal character, abilities and finances, to be able to handle the challenges that come along. Thirdly, by going far and beyond in life, do you think plain ordinary men would want this? Most of them may just want a quiet & simple life, but that's not the life I want.

FYI, my fiance and I have been interviewed by the media a few times. Our names & pics appeared in websites of FMT, The Malaysian Insider, The Star & BFM, to date. Just last week, I was interviewed by local film-making crew; took 2 hours. That's the type of life I am living.

So, if you think there are average income-earners who enjoy media exposure and dare to speak up in public, or establish biz, media and political connections, feel free to introduce to me so that I can have a different POV. Otherwise, based on my years of meeting men and making observations, this is how I currently think.
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wah..wht were the interviews all about?

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But why only target the prettiest girls if you know you are only average?
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LOL, my friend thought it would be nice and he thinks & know some of their criteria and he reckons I fit the bill.

I'm not complaining when one have such friends.

Anyway not to derail TS post

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Let me ask if anyone agrees or experienced this:

If you come from a frugal background and didnt have all the luxuries in life, there can be a determination to do better in life and measure yourself by material things

Like must have certain brand of car or handbag or property etc

And you look for a potential life partner who offers these things and maybe even use material things as a benchmark to evaluate their suitability

So may start relationship with someone who drives a Japanese car and has a condo, then when meet someone else who drives a German car and has a house you "trade up" to a new partner

If you eventually marry WELL and end up with someone rich, at first you may be satisfied with this new luxury world that you never experienced before, as it seems to be so wonderful compared to what you had in your upbringing

After a few years of marriage you get used to this new luxury world and want more. That non branded local handbag you had before now seems inadequate and you must only use Louis Vuitton, your watch now must only be Omega/Rolex and you wouldnt be seen dead in anything but your Dior shoes

Give it a few more years and even these are not enough, you start wanting a Hermes Birkin bag, Franck Muller/Patel Philippe and Manolo Blahnik shoes. At this point your are getting older and you may have a few children together and you feel "comfortable" in your life

That is when your rich husband starts noticing your desire for material things is going ever upward but since he can afford it he doesnt object openly. Simultaneously he starts noticing all these younger, prettier girls who are just as educated as you once were and remind him of who you once were

And that is when he may choose to get in bed with one or more of these girls..........as they demand less material things compared to his wife...........

Anyone agree or disagree with what i have postulated here???
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post Jul 19 2018, 12:28 PM

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QUOTE(titanmelvin @ Jul 19 2018, 11:57 AM)
Sounds like your only way/plan of becoming rich is to marry a rich guy. Unless you haven't shared about your plans to get rich on your OWN abilities.

I don't think a hardworking or determined person would stop working for 1-2 years. Furthermore, you seem to be living expensively off your fiance's money. You implied that you had 'high earning power & prudent financial management',  but you don't have any savings to support yourself?

Your whole topic revolves around money, money, rich, rich.
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Again, see, didn't read my other posts. I can't be putting everything into the first post, can I? That would be too long.

Read Post#17, in which I wrote: "Just last night, I was sleepless, as I was planning my life up to age 40. I have many goals to achieve in life, so I plan from year 2018 to 2027 (10 years). I'm a highly future-oriented person, very practical and strong in executing plans and goals."

What these plans are, well, biz plans, including CSR. I emailed him about it. As for my savings, it's used for other purposes; he knows where it goes to. Otherwise, he'd have complained long ago, thinking that I'm leeching him.

QUOTE(PhakFuhZai @ Jul 19 2018, 12:08 PM)
this is harsh but kinda true also sweat.gif
it is not unusual to see people who had been in hardcore poverty to have mindset like TS, it is hard to describe in words, it's just suffocating in the eyes of average "comfortable" people out there. The real wealthy people like Bill Gates or Warren Buffet don't pursue the superficial material possessions, they are thinking of how to give back to the society

maybe at a later point in time, when TS reaches certain milestone, she will soften a bit and not overly aggressive in pursuing things in life
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Yeah, based on this: More than 85% of young adults and adolescents aged 12 to 25 are affected by acne, a common skin disease

If having acne = poor gene, then what? >85% young Malaysians have defective genes? hmm.gif

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About giving back to the society, yes I do volunteer.

IMO, being rich is one thing, but being rich + influential + contributing to the society is another story. If we want Malaysia to be high-income nation, people need to change their mindset from poor to rich. Therefore, financial literacy is important, but sadly it's not taught in schools. That's why many young adults getting bankrupt. After PH won the election, we decided to move from SG back to KL, to serve the nation.

Long way to go, but will definitely wanna give back to the society. & If I don't pursue aggressively in my prime time before having a family, then when? After having kids? In my 40s? When?

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QUOTE(josefin @ Jul 19 2018, 12:16 PM)
wah..wht were the interviews all about?
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I doubt the interview was about her...
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QUOTE(Ralna @ Jul 19 2018, 12:28 PM)
Again, see, didn't read my other posts. I can't be putting everything into the first post, can I? That would be too long.

Read Post#17, in which I wrote: "Just last night, I was sleepless, as I was planning my life up to age 40. I have many goals to achieve in life, so I plan from year 2018 to 2027 (10 years). I'm a highly future-oriented person, very practical and strong in executing plans and goals."

What these plans are, well, biz plans, including CSR. I emailed him about it. As for my savings, it's used for other purposes; he knows where it goes to. Otherwise, he'd have complained long ago, thinking that I'm leeching him.
Yeah, based on this: More than 85% of young adults and adolescents aged 12 to 25 are affected by acne, a common skin disease

If having acne = poor gene, then what? >85% young Malaysians have defective genes?  hmm.gif

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About giving back to the society, yes I do volunteer.

IMO, being rich is one thing, but being rich + influential + contributing to the society is another story. If we want Malaysia to be high-income nation, people need to change their mindset from poor to rich. Therefore, financial literacy is important, but sadly it's not taught in schools. That's why many young adults getting bankrupt. After PH won the election, we decided to move from SG back to KL, to serve the nation.

Long way to go, but will definitely wanna give back to the society. & If I don't pursue aggressively in my prime time before having a family, then when? After having kids? In my 40s? When?
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Thats why the rich will go for the 25%, who is rich and not sought for premium product
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post Jul 19 2018, 12:41 PM

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Wait...

So RICH is
1. Live in double storey semi d
2. Own merc
3. earn 5 digit SGD monthyl (or its equivalent)

holycrud! I must rush home and tell my wife i'm actually RICH!
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QUOTE(josefin @ Jul 19 2018, 12:16 PM)
wah..wht were the interviews all about?
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QUOTE(titanmelvin @ Jul 19 2018, 12:34 PM)
I doubt the interview was about her...
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Of course, there were not about me; mostly about social and educational issues. We've done things differently to make a change, so were interviewed to share more about our initiatives and opinions.

It's only the film-making one focused more on my life stories, plus other people's stories too. They wanna collect inspiring stories of Malaysians.
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QUOTE(Ralna @ Jul 19 2018, 12:41 PM)
Of course, there were not about me; mostly about social and educational issues. We've done things differently to make a change, so were interviewed to share more about our initiatives and opinions.

It's only the film-making one focused more on my life stories, plus other people's stories too. They wanna collect inspiring stories of Malaysians.
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more infor about tht if possible? seems interesting
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QUOTE(TheEvilMan @ Jul 19 2018, 12:39 PM)
Thats why the rich will go for the 25%, who is rich and not sought for premium product
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100% - 85% =15%. Do your Math right; otherwise, explain how you get the stats.


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QUOTE(Ralna @ Jul 19 2018, 12:45 PM)
100% - 85% =15%. Do your Math right; otherwise, explain how you get the stats.
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Sorry didnt pay attention to ur post cos its long winded sad.gif

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QUOTE(Ralna @ Jul 18 2018, 07:03 PM)
If you wanna marry a rich man, you gotta have the qualities that they want, and be as perfect as possible. You gotta work on yourself first.

Based on my experience & feedback from them, their checklist of ideal wife material is as follows:

1) Appearance (tall, pretty, attractive) -- presentable when bringing her to attend biz functions
2) Brain (intelligent, ambitious, highly educated) -- to be their partner, and help them in biz & career
3) Filial to his parents -- most of them are the only/eldest son, so what their mum thinks of their woman is very important
4) Can be a good mum -- they want to produce the best offspring
5) Talented -- have other hobbies or talents, e.g. singing, dancing, cooking, socialising etc

It took me 5 years sweat.gif to perfect myself so that I could attract the men I want. Yeah, I stayed single & unavailable for many years, just to polish myself to near-perfection.

How did I do it?

In terms of looks, I have spent nearly RM50k in the past few years on various skincare treatments to look beautiful, such as going for facials, mani/pedicure, hair treatments (rebonding, colouring), doing my eyebrows, lips, skin hair removal & polishing, body massages etc. Yeah, I look naturally pretty without any makeup; no need to edit photos too. With makeup, I look way more gorgeous. (Yeah, spent so much $$$, will of coz look fabulous.)

On a side note, a woman being able to spend RM10k a year on beauty enhancements without getting bankrupt or in bad debt is a sign of high earning power & prudent financial management. Men find rich/high-earning women attractive too, so be one. (Yeah, easier said than done, but can be done.)

Having good looks alone is not enough. If you are an empty flower vase = look good on the outside but have nothing solid inside, rich men will lose interest fast, coz you're no different from those hot chicks they meet.

So yeah, I spent lots of time reading books, esp. biz, finance, investments etc ("dry & boring" for most women), so that I know what to chat with them, and impress them. Then I also developed side interests, and learnt how to cook delicious meals, sing songs etc. & I work out to shape & tone my body; going to be age 30 but still look around mid-20s. 

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Hard work does pay off.

The outcome? Attracted many high-earning professionals, and went on dates with them. (Birds of a feather flock together  wink.gif)

Also attracted several rich men, who pursued/proposed to me:

1) M, eldest son of a bizman who owns a transportation company. Lives in double-storey semi-D, now runs his father's company. Stole my first kiss without consent. Yeah, punched him after that, but he was still happy.

2) L, eldest son of a bizman who owns a timber lodging company. Lives in double-storey bungalow, drove a Mercedez to fetch me at my house before, for an expensive lunch date. Confessed to me and wished to bring me home to meet his parents.

3) C, only son of a rich family, lives in single-storey bungalow, works in Oil & Gas, earning 5-digit MYR a month. Came to my house one late night (around 10pm+) to give me a box of imported chocolates. Parents are family friends.

4) W, only son of a rich biz family, studied in the U.K. Lives in a bungalow, inherits his family business to supply automobile parts to major car manufacturers. Wished to bring me home to meet his parents.

5) K, eldest son of a rich biz family, studied in the U.K. Inherited family wealth, earning 5-digit SGD a month. We're engaged now. Our anniversary trip this year is to Phuket, pre-wedding photoshoot will be in Taiwan, and the reception + honeymoon (destination wedding) will be in Maldives ← he suggested these countries.

Btw, I'm not working currently; he's supporting me financially. I have 1-2 years to relax and go travel, and upgrade myself to tip-top condition so that we can start own biz and family. He and I have discussed earning in MYR and also in USD, and sending our kids to international school.

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When you become the best, you will deserve the best. I didn't come from a rich family; was poor and starving before, but I worked hard to the top in terms of studies and career. That made me into a confident and ambitious lady, and not just sit there dressed in rags with self-pity, and passively waiting & daydreaming for some prince to rescue me. Nah, it doesn't happen that way in real life.

A few things to take note:

Firstly, rich guys don't like it when girls covet their wealth. They can easily sense if you are after them, or after their money. Money is important, but greed and materialism is a huge turn-off.

Secondly, of course, not all of us have the luck to meet/date rich men. It depends on the social circles/social class you are in. If you life is confined to just work and home, then chances are, you ain't gonna meet any of them. You need to actively go out and express yourself, be it in events or gatherings, or online.

Thirdly, it's not easy to manage wealth and multiply it. If you only wanna be a rich tai-tai who can't help much in your husband's biz/career, chances are, years down the road, you're out of the game, as you become liability and no longer asset. With great power (privileges) comes great responsibility and expectations.

Fourthly, if you're dating a guy who is earning an average income, please develop his potential and push him to success. Your aspiration, dreams and energy level can fuel his ambition to give you the life both of you want -- enjoy comfort without worry, and perhaps, a life of luxury one day. Don't just sit there and complain about him (look down on him and make him feel like a loser) when you yourself have done nothing much to upgrade yourself. It must go both ways/ reciprocal. In order to receive, you need to give first. Sow first, and reap later.

Btw, if a man feels he can't catch up on you, he'll either level up his game to be on par with you (great!), or feel insecure enough to let you go/ become controlling.

Lastly, love a man not for his money, but for his personality, his character, dreams and ambitions, and earning potential. The truly rich man is one who can lose everything, smile and start all over again, and earn the same pot of gold in a decade or two. Now that is what I call true wealth. :thumbsup:

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OK, done sharing my part. Feel free to add on any tips and comments. No trolls pls; it's annoying. 

Btw, if you're a rich guy, feel free to share what you think/ what qualities you're looking for in a woman/ what type of women deserve you. & maybe give a tip or two about how you achieve success/ build wealth for our fellow forumers to learn from.
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If one day your husband to be got struck in a string of bad luck, hit the ground badly, what would u do ?

like get sued, bankrupted that type

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QUOTE(MeToo @ Jul 19 2018, 12:41 PM)
Wait...

So RICH is
1. Live in double storey semi d
2. Own merc
3. earn 5 digit SGD monthyl (or its equivalent)

holycrud! I must rush home and tell my wife i'm actually RICH!
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1. X CHECKED
2. X CHECKED
3. X CHECKED COS MINE IN MYR

I'm not legit to be rich then sad.gif
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Before I create a strawman out this "sharing" and beat the crap out of it; may I know what's the objective of this sharing?

Rich men do comes with pretty good anti golddigger radar. Correct me if i'm wrong, u seemed found a way to get around it.
It's either u got around it or he has a broken radar.

But that's not the point. The point is, that doesn't change the fact that you are still gold digger u know that right?

The title should be "Golddigger's Guide to Effective True Gem Disguising to Con Rich Men". shakehead.gif

P.S. That's pretty good title. Maybe u should write a book about it. And I will write "Men's Guide to Walkaway from a Bad Deal". laugh.gif

QUOTE(BrendonStar @ Jul 18 2018, 09:38 PM)
Congrats to TS. It was an interesting read indeed. You explained your back ground and the environment you were so judging you by the situation you were in it was no surprise to me that you chose your current path.

Guys a winner mindset does not necessarily need to acquire wealth and there are fine woman looking for average income man with qualities they desire. TS's mindset doesn't represents the mind set of many wonderful ladies.

I became a SGD millionaire by 26 because I was lucky to work in an industry that pays too well and didn't give me time to spend my money.. I was so busy and focused at work that I just wanted a woman that looks decent enough,  will be a good mother, daughter in law, be intelligent enough to bounce ideas with me and above all a good fit to my personality. I wasn't interested in the sophisticated and beautiful high paid banker girls I meet and work with. While single I was more determined than normal guys to get the girl with the right fit to me. I grew up in a broken home with childhood depression as a result so I was more concern about her fit to me and the family I want to build than she being a trophy wife. It is just me and I don't represent every high earning guys out there though I admit my choice are odd among my colleagues.

TS told us what her desire was in context of her background. I appreciate the sharing. Do see her story in the context of her environment
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Like u do, I do understand where she comes from. But, I don't think it rationalizes some malpractice and the malicious intent.
Focus should be betterman by improvement via one's labour instead of deceit. E.g. The intent to read up on business times not to understand economic conditions and implications but to "pretend" interested in economics & business to chat some rich dude up. That's sick man.

I agree if I come up with a topic "Men's guide to get under women's pants with average penis" would be sick too and judged the same if it is"Men's guide to get under RICH women's pants with average penis and get them cumming for more".



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QUOTE(AllnGap @ Jul 19 2018, 12:51 PM)
If one day your husband to be got struck in a string of bad luck, hit the ground badly, what would u do ?

like get sued, bankrupted that type
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Firstly, I believe in risk management & planning, so the probability is low.

Secondly, he's a lawyer himself.

Thirdly, if it happens, I'll have the abilities to help him up by then, emotionally, financially & intellectually. I was poor myself, if I could create wealth when in my younger days, chances are I can do even better when I'm older, with more skills acquired, more professional connections and more resources.

In other words, resiliency = the capacity to recover quickly from difficulties; toughness.

Now he's helping me, but it's temporary only. It'll be my turn; he knows it. Isn't what marriage is for? Helping each other go through transitions and storms, in times of needs and uncertainties.

QUOTE(RUI @ Jul 19 2018, 01:07 PM)
Before I create a strawman out this "sharing" and beat the crap out of it; may I know what's the objective of this sharing?

Rich men do comes with pretty good anti golddigger radar. Correct me if i'm wrong, u seemed found a way to get around it.
It's either u got around it or he has a broken radar.

But that's not the point. The point is, that doesn't change the fact that you are still gold digger u know that right? 

The title should be "Golddigger's Guide to Effective True Gem Disguising to Con Rich Men".   shakehead.gif

P.S. That's pretty good title. Maybe u should write a book about it. And I will write "Men's Guide to Walkaway from a Bad Deal".  laugh.gif
Like u do, I do understand where she comes from. But, I don't think it rationalizes some malpractice and the malicious intent.
Focus should be betterman by improvement via one's labour instead of deceit. E.g. The intent to read up on business times not to understand economic conditions and implications but to "pretend" interested in economics & business to chat some rich dude up. That's sick man.

I agree if I come up with a topic "Men's guide to get under women's pants with average penis" would be sick too and judged the same if it is"Men's guide to get under RICH women's pants with average penis and get them cumming for more".
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Again, being one-sided as usual. You really enjoy labelling people, and once you have your mind fixed on seeing a person as "bad" (based on your interpretation), then whatever the person says or does, will always be bad.

CONTEXT. You always fail to read with context.

& hello, I didn't read with "malicious intent" so that I can carry out my "malpractice". FYI, I scored A in Sejarah (SPM), scored A in Pengajian Am (STPM) and took Malaysian Politics as my elective subject though I was an English major. & I taught biz communication skills and biz writing, to undergraduates and working adults. It's my interest and expertise, dude. I'm not doing it for men, though being able to chat with them on these is a plus point.

One thing that irritates me a lot is YOU ALWAYS MAKE ASSUMPTIONS and then personally attack me. CHILDISH AND IMMATURE.
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QUOTE(Ralna @ Jul 19 2018, 12:28 PM)
Again, see, didn't read my other posts. I can't be putting everything into the first post, can I? That would be too long.

Read Post#17, in which I wrote: "Just last night, I was sleepless, as I was planning my life up to age 40. I have many goals to achieve in life, so I plan from year 2018 to 2027 (10 years). I'm a highly future-oriented person, very practical and strong in executing plans and goals."

What these plans are, well, biz plans, including CSR. I emailed him about it. As for my savings, it's used for other purposes; he knows where it goes to. Otherwise, he'd have complained long ago, thinking that I'm leeching him.
Well, you could just share again on your plans to make money with your own abilities. While you're at it, please share which stage are you on your goals. Does your goals involve only your own money?

How much do you take from your fiance every month? 5 digits? Do you have the intention to pay him back?

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Congrats TS for achievement (this 1 sincere without jealous)

You keep self improving, focus, and works towards your direction, you know what you want


but but... frankly, you sounds too pride and not everyone can take it.. it is not humble at all

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QUOTE(titanmelvin @ Jul 19 2018, 01:28 PM)
Well, you could just share again on your plans to make money with your own abilities. While you're at it, please share which stage are you on your goals. Does your goals involve only your own money?

How much do you take from your fiance every month? 5 digits? Do you have the intention to pay him back?

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Yes, my goals involve my own money. My plans are ... well, I don't think it's right to share here in public space, but I've been incubating them for years, so now beginning to execute.

Not 5-digits. Just 3-digit SGD. I'll pay him back if he requests, coz it's not a loan, and we're engaged. Don't you guys give your wife/fiancee/ gf some pocket money? Maybe not all men do this, but some men do. It's not unusual okay.

Well, I do record what he has given to me. I'm the type of person who pays my bills, PTPTN and credit cards in full every month; very good paymaster. If he ever has financial difficulty, then it'll be my turn to help him out, but I think he'll be too proud to ask money back from me. So what I'll do is: set a UT fund aside for him or use it for our kids next time.

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I think the biggest difference between me and other gold-diggers, is that:

1) I don't actively pursue rich men although I put in the efforts to attract them subtly. It's up to them whether to get interested or not, not that I can force them to like me, right? Not that type. I don't have any specific targets like most gold diggers do.

2) I don't sleep around; stayed a V till age 27-- my choice, wanna save it for future husband. Yeah, I'm not in the flesh trade or used my body to lure them. I was skinny and had acne skin before, ok. That's why I spent so much $ to enhance my looks.

3) If I were a gold digger, as mentioned earlier in Post #13, "Btw, those men didn't pursue me simultaneously; so I rejected one by one over the years, without knowing who's next for me. If I were after their money, I would have accepted the first man when he first pursued me, coz after all, why would I wait for the unknown/uncertainty?"

Hopefully the above clarifies your doubts. smile.gif

QUOTE(wtm0325 @ Jul 19 2018, 01:34 PM)
Congrats TS for achievement (this 1 sincere without jealous)

You keep self improving, focus, and works towards your direction, you know what you want
but but... frankly, you sounds too pride and not everyone can take it.. it is not humble at all
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Thank you.

I know. It's okay. Well, in real life, I actually have many friends and I'm quite well-liked. I am often nominated to lead the team, represent the dept or be in committee, or present/ emcee on stage. That's the type of life/exposure I have, so yeah, not really humble/ low-profile.

It's just that online... well, text-based communication can't fully convey/ paint the picture of how a person is truly like. There are some forumers who became my real life friends, and they find me likeable.

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Where are you now boss
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Taiwan. So hard to explain to them, since ts make a good argument, I just let them read and judge la. rclxms.gif
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I think there already enough TS has spoken of her personality. if any one really backtrack all her post, one probably can deduce TS in real life.

I think it her sharing her views, and those can take or not take her experiences
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QUOTE(Ralna @ Jul 19 2018, 02:01 PM)
Thank you.

I know. It's okay. Well, in real life, I actually have many friends and I'm quite well-liked. I am often nominated to lead the team, represent the dept or be in committee, or present/ emcee on stage. That's the type of life/exposure I have, so yeah, not really humble/ low-profile.

It's just that online... well, text-based communication can't fully convey/ paint the picture of how a person is truly like. There are some forumers who became my real life friends, and they find me likeable.
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Not sure if u realize this taboo

Most of the rich do not like people give free advice unless they approach you.. most of them are smarts and have their own opinions

Be humble or have sense of jokes will always works for them



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QUOTE(Ralna @ Jul 19 2018, 02:01 PM)
Thank you.

I know. It's okay. Well, in real life, I actually have many friends and I'm quite well-liked. I am often nominated to lead the team, represent the dept or be in committee, or present/ emcee on stage. That's the type of life/exposure I have, so yeah, not really humble/ low-profile.

It's just that online... well, text-based communication can't fully convey/ paint the picture of how a person is truly like. There are some forumers who became my real life friends, and they find me likeable.
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Many feel intimidated by your writing I guess. It seemed you know what you want, you work for it with discipline and you got it. Such a strong lady may not be everyone cup of tea. But for those that does not feel intimidated by you or inferior to you, then you would be a great friend and partner. Also is your online persona congruent with what you are in real life ? I can't imagine such an argumentative writer doing things like learning to cook, dancing etc just to pleased / attract a man.

And on your article, I don't think all rich men like the type of women you describe above. What is your take on personality that are rich in net worth but act and live very modestly with very low profile partner ? Based on your experience, are those people consider "rich", and what kind of ideal partner are they looking for in your opinion ?

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QUOTE(Ralna @ Jul 19 2018, 12:09 PM)
I know. It's okay. Well, I can't be talking about my skin conditions in the first post, can I? That would be kinda off-topic. My point is, I put in efforts to look good (for whatever reasons), coz appearance is important.
Having acne = poor gene? Man, go read some books on dermatology.

AS IF your genes are so perfect and flawless.
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Your health and skin condition in your earlier years could be due to emotional distress and lack of confidence.

As a strong person, you should go get a job and set high targets to hit.

As a language expert, you should know how to write between the lines. Your posts invites a lot of responses can be more than envy, some are not very nice.


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Actually TS, i dont really care if you're a gold digger or not etc, you live your life the way you want it...

But you should have aimed higher...

I have quite a few frnes who married rich...

Take one example, both are my friends, we are all in the same industry, he went after her hard... got her... and now his life is set. She's worth about 75~100m in my guesstimate, cause the dad's still alive. That should be your aim, not a semi d, a merc, etc, those are slim pickings.
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QUOTE(Ralna @ Jul 19 2018, 12:03 PM)
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1. I leave it to the readers to analyse themselves. My writing style is more to argumentative type, i.e. consider 2 different views from extreme ends.

2. Some people can be naturally humble, but not me. It's difficult for me to fake it, and I don't believe in false humility that's prevalent in Asian cultures. I'm more to the high-profile type, outspoken and naturally bold. Depends on how you see it, some people admire my confidence/being outspoken while some people see it as conceit/bragging. But one thing holds true: I don't insult people and trample on them to achieve what I want.

Again, please consider the context here: We're in a forum, fully word-based. I need to give background information, lots of info is missing coz we all don't know each other in real life, so we are unable to judge a person based on other cues, e.g. body language and voice tone. In real life, it'll be easier/fairer to judge whether a person is a braggart or not.

3. Tell me when is real war gonna happen. If it's unlikely, then each person has his/her own battles to go through, with some battles tougher than the other. If those who had tough times came to different conclusions, feel free to share their own perspectives.

There is war all the time.  You just fail to consider it, like many others that your post is targeted to. There are wars in other countries, and there are so much lessons can be learned from there.  My wife is from one of those countries, you can check back at my previous posts.  I have also interacted a lot with survivors of war, and I can easily say whatever you or I have been through pales in comparison with whatever that they have undergone.  Not even close.

4. 'Girls are only after money' is partially true. I'd put it this way: women want financial security, and financial security is part of ensuring basic needs are met first, and only then the needs from the higher levels can be met later. Even if a woman marries a poor guy, she'll want him to be rich one day (or at least, can provide a life of comfort, if luxury is out of reach). It's not just for her, but for the family.

I didn't disagree with you.  It is precisely because the maxim has been tried and tested and still holds true till now.  But this is a general statement. There are people out there, more than you think, that do not value material wealth as much as many of us here believe. It's hard to find them in Malaysia, easier overseas. And ultimately, it is all a spectrum.  Extremities only exists in the domain of naive thoughts.


5. I agree with the part "borderline cunning". Well, this can be used for good or bad. Anything that is an opinion/ adjective, is always subjective to individual interpretation and depends on the context. If you use it the bad way, then it's cunning. If you use it the good way, then it's strategic. I don't use my intellect to frame/con people, so labelling me as cunning is a bit unfair, isn't it?

Cunning or not, depends on perspective. Based on your way of thinking projected from your posts, I would wager there has been quite many instances where you actions would have been labelled as cunning by some, and at the same time, brilliant by others.  You thrive in the grey zone, hence my label of 'borderline cunning' is justified.


6. You're talking in terms of after marriage. My context is before marriage, during dating phase, where finances are separated between partners. You feel secure now, or maybe she gives you the assurance before marriage, hence you don't do either.

She never gave me any assurances in monetary terms. My situation applies to before and after marriage. Even today, our finances are still separate, but I still support her.  In fact, when we started dating, her income is lower than mine.  But when the opportunity for the huge jump came along and she hesitated, it was me who encouraged her to take it up.  Even though I know she will eclipse my income significantly, it is better for her. In a relationship, it is about giving.  I learned this from her.

In terms of feeling threatened, I do admit that I'm one of the few outliers who are very secure by nature.  So that may help, but more importantly, I have role models which I can see that it is actually ok for the women to earn more as long as the man is not too far behind and is always trying. Heck, the family is so much happier and more stable than rich man being the sole bread-winner type.



Lastly, why do I take this route? Simple. I don't have the patience to wait for a man to build up his wealth from scratch. When a man is a few years older than me, and when I was taking years of youth to build my own wealth, what was he doing? Why should I wait for a man in his 30s to build his wealth when I myself, in my 20s, have built mine? Don't you think there's incompatibility issues here, in terms of level of ambition, intellect and capability?

Hahahahahahahahahahaha. Intellect and capability?  Don't be so fast to judge.  Just because someone is not there today does not mean that he/she is not capable.  I have experienced this first hand, and the experience is what I would describe as 'humbling'. You may be intelligent, but you're very judgmental and stubborn. There are many different perspectives which you believe is wrong or did not consider before, but may very well hold true in the other perspective. Someone who is not rich may be just biding time, waiting for the right opportunity. Luck plays a big role too. 

So yes, there may be incompatibility issues, but only because you made it so.  When I dated my wife, I thought she was just a normal girl, and her way of thinking is really weird and will not get her far.  But I must say, I was wrong.  She operates in a different environment where her style actually thrives. I learn from it, and even though I have a big ego, I was wise enough to humble myself, and learn that what I know is only true due to circumstances of my surroundings.


& why I aim for material success? Coz without bread and butter, your whatever ideals and morals are BS. If you had suffered poverty before to the point you wanna commit suicide, you wouldn't be thinking of morals and ideals, or "we". That's the last thing you would think of, in fact.

I used to think and still believe ideals is a luxury.  But I am not as cocky as you to discount the opposing view that everyone can afford to have ideals.  Even the most down-trodden of all, those who has been through times of genocide and have seen crimes against humanity, still hold onto ideals.  So what the f*ck makes you and me qualify to say that ideals and morals are BS?  Learn some REAL humility.

Btw, what do you expect, me marrying a plain ordinary man? I can't. Firstly, he'll get intimated and overwhelmed by my ambition and goals. Secondly, I need someone who is equally strong and supportive, in terms of personal character, abilities and finances, to be able to handle the challenges that come along. Thirdly, by going far and beyond in life, do you think plain ordinary men would want this? Most of them may just want a quiet & simple life, but that's not the life I want.

You choose your own life.  Intimidated or not depends on both parties.  I would not even consider women like you even if I come from a rich family (I don't).  Your view of Malaysian men is generally correct, most are timid and ball-less, yada, yada.  Many posts in this forum exemplifies that. I don't think marrying a rich man is something extraordinary.  Good yes, but nothing to shout about.  Marrying someone with great potential, and walk the path with him and help him achieve greatness; now that's something.

FYI, my fiance and I have been interviewed by the media a few times. Our names & pics appeared in websites of FMT, The Malaysian Insider, The Star & BFM, to date. Just last week, I was interviewed by local film-making crew; took 2 hours. That's the type of life I am living.

I didn't know you're a public figure, nor do I care.  Public figures have a different life than ordinary people, and most of their marriages are not smooth sailing (I'm being tactful here, but you get the meaning).  From a human to another, I wish you luck.

So, if you think there are average income-earners who enjoy media exposure and dare to speak up in public, or establish biz, media and political connections, feel free to introduce to me so that I can have a different POV. Otherwise, based on my years of meeting men and making observations, this is how I currently think.
No I don't know anyone, and I personally don't either. Your life is certainly skewed due to your line of work. Media attracts a certain group of people, so I can see why you're the way you are.
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I think I will just leave my reply as this. I suggest you think about it, hard and deep. But I know you won't.

How do I know? Because I was once like you. Combative, confident and full of myself.

I also do not believe in fake humility. I believe in true humility.

I just hope whatever I have shared will resonate with you one day, or at the very least, help you see the light one day, even if it is just a baby step towards it. And perhaps help whoever is reading this as well.
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post Jul 19 2018, 03:09 PM

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QUOTE(Ralna @ Jul 19 2018, 01:17 PM)
Again, being one-sided as usual. You really enjoy labelling people, and once you have your mind fixed on seeing a person as "bad" (based on your interpretation), then whatever the person says or does, will always be bad.

CONTEXT. You always fail to read with context.

& hello, I didn't read with "malicious intent" so that I can carry out my "malpractice". FYI, I scored A in Sejarah (SPM), scored A in Pengajian Am (STPM) and took Malaysian Politics as my elective subject though I was an English major. & I taught biz communication skills and biz writing, to undergraduates and working adults. It's my interest and expertise, dude. I'm not doing it for men, though being able to chat with them on these is a plus point.

One thing that irritates me a lot is YOU ALWAYS MAKE ASSUMPTIONS and then personally attack me. CHILDISH AND IMMATURE.
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Substantiate your allegation that I have I labelled you or labelled you wrongly. Else, you are the one personally attacking me. Apology not compulsory.

Those are not assumption. Those are in ur very own writing. From the title and the quotes below.

You hv a target/victim (rich men,HIM), you have your methods (bait the victim,HIM) and finally finishing of with the kill (the list of rewards of your kill, HIM).
You checked all that in your text.

How do you have the audacity to say you are not doing it for men? Maybe not all men, that you are right. But rich men (it's in the title by the way before you accuse me anything). rclxub.gif rclxub.gif rclxub.gif ?

Try detached urself from ur writing and go through this list. Ask urself honestly how many redflags u checked.
https://www.wikihow.com/Spot-a-Gold-Digger

It's shallow and hollow. Shouldn't be encouraged.
Focus on betterman/woman is good. Banging rich tycoon is secondary. But it appears you got it the other way round and refused to admit it.

Melinda Gates story is inspiring. But for some reason, people are more interested in donating to Kylie Jenner.

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In terms of looks, I have spent nearly RM50k in the past few years on various skincare treatments to look beautiful, such as going for facials, mani/pedicure, hair treatments (rebonding, colouring), doing my eyebrows, lips, skin hair removal & polishing, body massages etc. Yeah, I look naturally pretty without any makeup; no need to edit photos too. With makeup, I look way more gorgeous. (Yeah, spent so much $$$, will of coz look fabulous.)

On a side note, a woman being able to spend RM10k a year on beauty enhancements without getting bankrupt or in bad debt is a sign of high earning power & prudent financial management. Men find rich/high-earning women attractive too, so be one. (Yeah, easier said than done, but can be done.)
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So yeah, I spent lots of time reading books, esp. biz, finance, investments etc ("dry & boring" for most women), so that I know what to chat with them, and impress them.


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Hard work does pay off.

The outcome? Attracted many high-earning professionals, and went on dates with them. (Birds of a feather flock together  wink.gif)


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5) K, eldest son of a rich biz family, studied in the U.K. Inherited family wealth, earning 5-digit SGD a month. We're engaged now. Our anniversary trip this year is to Phuket, pre-wedding photoshoot will be in Taiwan, and the reception + honeymoon (destination wedding) will be in Maldives ← he suggested these countries.




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Ralna, you're the perfect girlfriend/wife material to rich man. some guys just cannot take it that girls are looking for rich man as husband and label them gold digger.

1. do you want to daughter to marry a poor guy? a average guy? a rich guy? provided all of them love your daughter sincerely and they're all same good guy.

2. aren't all men try their best to attract the best looking woman to be their wife? except we don't have the equivalent label as "gold digger" for ladies.

just accept Ralna is very good in appreciating her value as it is. ambitious. plan for life. use it in the good way.

rich guy are not all earned by bad ways. ambitious persons are not all bad persons.

i support and understand TS.
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QUOTE(Ralna @ Jul 19 2018, 01:52 PM)
Yes, my goals involve my own money. My plans are ... well, I don't think it's right to share here in public space, but I've been incubating them for years, so now beginning to execute.

Not 5-digits. Just 3-digit SGD. I'll pay him back if he requests, coz it's not a loan, and we're engaged. Don't you guys give your wife/fiancee/ gf some pocket money? Maybe not all men do this, but some men do. It's not unusual okay.

Well, I do record what he has given to me. I'm the type of person who pays my bills, PTPTN and credit cards in full every month; very good paymaster. If he ever has financial difficulty, then it'll be my turn to help him out, but I think he'll be too proud to ask money back from me. So what I'll do is: set a UT fund aside for him or use it for our kids next time.

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I think the biggest difference between me and other gold-diggers, is that:

1) I don't actively pursue rich men although I put in the efforts to attract them subtly. It's up to them whether to get interested or not, not that I can force them to like me, right? Not that type. I don't have any specific targets like most gold diggers do.

2) I don't sleep around; stayed a V till age 27-- my choice, wanna save it for future husband. Yeah, I'm not in the flesh trade or used my body to lure them. I was skinny and had acne skin before, ok. That's why I spent so much $ to enhance my looks.

3) If I were a gold digger, as mentioned earlier in Post #13, "Btw, those men didn't pursue me simultaneously; so I rejected one by one over the years, without knowing who's next for me. If I were after their money, I would have accepted the first man when he first pursued me, coz after all, why would I wait for the unknown/uncertainty?"

Hopefully the above clarifies your doubts. smile.gif
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3) Would you date or marry someone who isn't rich? I think that would give us and yourself a clearer perspective
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QUOTE(BrendonStar @ Jul 18 2018, 09:38 PM)

Guys a winner mindset does not necessarily need to acquire wealth and there are fine woman looking for average income man with qualities they desire. TS's mindset doesn't represents the mind set of many wonderful ladies.

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thumbsup.gif There are decent ladies out there; you obviously found yours


QUOTE(SMB002 @ Jul 19 2018, 02:13 PM)
Taiwan. So hard to explain to them, since ts make a good argument, I just let them read and judge la.  rclxms.gif
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Taiwanese girls are more feminine and obedient la, why bother with Msian bossy and materialistic girls

QUOTE(koolspyda @ Jul 19 2018, 02:18 PM)
I think there already enough TS has spoken of her personality. if any one really backtrack all her post, one probably can deduce TS in real life.

I think it her sharing her views, and those can take or not take her experiences
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Share ler wei, I'm really curious but not hardworking enough. Just a link to one of the interviews is good enough

What an interesting thread that garnered 6 pages from last night. Good to hear that the relationship dept is working well

Just wanted to say to TS, I'm a tad bit dissapointed that you couldn't survive SG working culture. Surely such a confident and highly competent Msian could shine in Singapore corporate world whistling.gif
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QUOTE(Zero Correlation @ Jul 19 2018, 03:25 PM)
thumbsup.gif There are decent ladies out there; you obviously found yours
Taiwanese girls are more feminine and obedient la, why bother with Msian bossy and materialistic girls
Share ler wei, I'm really curious but not hardworking enough. Just a link to one of the interviews is good enough

What an interesting thread that garnered 6 pages from last night. Good to hear that the relationship dept is working well

Just wanted to say to TS, I'm a tad bit dissapointed that you couldn't survive SG working culture. Surely such a confident and highly competent Msian could shine in Singapore corporate world  whistling.gif
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No lar, she asked me about this. I don't really know how to put it in words.
Btw ts really sounds like my older sister. biggrin.gif biggrin.gif
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Last week while eating at a restaurant, a girl sat behind me said "i want my husband to earn at least RM20k per month and ideal is RM25k per month so that we can have a good life. i want a very relax and stable life, i cannot stress. have someone to take care my kids and my house, no need to worry anything". Then her friend asked her, don't you think your target is too high. She replied "No, go and ask around most of the girls out there has this requirements and it's standard". My first action was turn around and look at the girl and see "what she has" and are she eligible for that.


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TS knows what she want, she have her own 'feel-good' factor. Most important she think what she did right, that's about it. But it is all for herself.

I actually do hope that ppl don't take it seriously as everyone have their own personality and hopefully guys don't generalize all ladies have similar character.

I don't marry rich guy, but an ordinary guy with no family inheritance, yet we need to bear our parents' expenses. We don't plan big for future and never have planning when we were younger. But now at 40, we have done pay for a landed property, and another 1 coming up. We drive decent car, with my son happily growing up. We went Malacca for our honeymoon at age near 30. But for the last decade, Phuket is our annual trip as my son wanted to practice his sea-swim. Annual vacation to overseas (no need to mention place) is a norm, as we are fond for winter holidays. All this are not hard to achieve, we just take 1 step at a time being ppl of under employment. I did lost my job before, but soon enough back on normal track. We don't need to marry rich, as long as we found someone who can walk hand-in-hand, thru good and bad... everything will be in order.

As my son is the only child in both family (all our siblings are old-single), and he is expected to inherit quite a fat amount from them. I actually hope he won't bump into such an ambitious gal like TS. A simple, obedient girl will be a better candidate as DIL. smile.gif

And I want to stress that, we (include siblings) are ppl under employment, not professional. And I can say both myself and hubby are not ambitious and we are not risk taker at all. Our income is common figure and may consider low for our age if compare to some ppl. But we still live comfortable life, all based on taking 1 step at a time.

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QUOTE(cc980024 @ Jul 19 2018, 03:49 PM)
TS knows what she want, she have her own 'feel-good' factor. Most important she think what she did right, that's about it. But it is all for herself.

I actually do hope that ppl don't take it seriously as everyone have their own personality and hopefully guys don't generalize all ladies have similar character.

I don't marry rich guy, but an ordinary guy with no family inheritance, yet we need to bear our parents' expenses. We don't plan big for future and never have planning when we were younger. But now at 40, we have done pay for a landed property, and another 1 coming up. We drive decent car, with my son happily growing up. We went Malacca for our honeymoon at age near 30. But for the last decade, Phuket is our annual trip as my son wanted to practice his sea-swim. Annual vacation to overseas (no need to mention place) is a norm, as we are fond for winter holidays. All this are not hard to achieve, we just take 1 step at a time being ppl of under employment. I did lost my job before, but soon enough back on normal track. We don't need to marry rich, as long as we found someone who can walk hand-in-hand, thru good and bad... everything will be in order.

As my son is the only child in both family (all our siblings are old-single), and he is expected to inherit quite a fat amount from them. I actually hope he won't bump into such an ambitious gal like TS. A simple, obedient girl will be a better candidate as DIL. smile.gif

And I want to stress that, we (include siblings) are ppl under employment, not professional. And I can say both myself and hubby are not ambitious and we are not risk taker at all. Our income is common figure and may consider low for our age if compare to some ppl. But we still live comfortable life, all based on taking 1 step at a time.
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Because you never experienced hardcore poor like TS

People who had never starved before will not appreciate the precious of food, for instance

Being raised under extremely unfavorable environment can really drive a person to the extreme end.

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QUOTE(Ralna @ Jul 19 2018, 12:28 PM)
If having acne = poor gene, then what? >85% young Malaysians have defective genes?  hmm.gif
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You do know that excessive oily skin from having larger sebaceous glands that produce excess oil is a hereditary attribute and it's almost impossible to do anything about it not even accutane or any skin care regimen (my situation, still oily even with double dose of accutane) at least im a clean freak so it's under control.

yes it's common to have acne and oilier skins from hormonal changes during puberty however to the majority it sorts itself out and expensive products were used to clear the scarring.

but some people like my case will continue to have super oily skin through out the remainder of our lives but on the bright side, we wont get wrinkles laugh.gif (this post should be in skin care section sweat.gif )
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QUOTE(ChAOoz @ Jul 19 2018, 02:26 PM)
Many feel intimidated by your writing I guess. It seemed you know what you want, you work for it with discipline and you got it. Such a strong lady may not be everyone cup of tea. But for those that does not feel intimidated by you or inferior to you, then you would be a great friend and partner. Also is your online persona congruent with what you are in real life ? I can't imagine such an argumentative writer doing things like learning to cook, dancing etc just to pleased / attract a man.

And on your article, I don't think all rich men like the type of women you describe above. What is your take on personality that are rich in net worth but act and live very modestly with very low profile partner ? Based on your experience, are those people consider "rich", and what kind of ideal partner are they looking for in your opinion ?
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Yes, you nailed it. thumbsup.gif My writing is sharp and straight to the point; I'm especially good in writing commentaries and argumentative essays, in both Mandarin and English. For those who are not intimidated and enjoy the mental stimulation, we usually become great friends in real life, or rather, mentor-mentees.

Well, my online persona is just one side of me. I'm multi-faceted. I think you'd be surprised if I tell you I'm a computer geek, play WoW, watch animes and read mangas, love marshmallows, play with kids and dogs a lot, and can do some simple plumbing? These are all true of me, btw.

I'm just one of the types of women that a certain group of men may like. I don't represent the female population because I'm the odd one/ black sheep.

Being rich... well, you can get rich, you enjoy it with your family.

OR you get rich, and go high-profile to build up your social influence (be a public figure). It all depends on your own personality, and whether people around you can take it or not, coz they might not want any media/public attention.

If you are the modest and low-profile type, then most likely, you'd prefer a homely woman who can be both a good wife and mother, but not so much of biz partner (although it's a plus point).

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QUOTE(PhakFuhZai @ Jul 19 2018, 04:03 PM)
Because you never experienced hardcore poor like TS

People who had never starved before will not appreciate the precious of food, for instance

Being raised under extremely unfavorable environment can really drive a person to the extreme end.
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That's y I said is for her.
But advising girls the way to marry rich guy (as per title).. sound generalizing girls are materialistic. Being a lady myself, I would prefer one who can advise how to live life beautifully instead.

And in fact, you don't need to teach a person how to marry a rich guy. If the girl really wanted to marry rich guy (as if that is her ambition), they actually have their way already. Those girls who always verbal it that they wanted or envy someone having rich bf/hubby, usually they end up with common guys. Coz they actually see/love a guy more than dollar and cent he can bring.
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when u marry a rich guy, means you will be at a power disadvantage.. unless he is that really into you... for example, will you tolerate your hubby having a mistress on the side? will you accept that he has to work hard and spend little time at home?
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QUOTE(titanmelvin @ Jul 19 2018, 03:24 PM)
3) Would you date or marry someone who isn't rich? I think that would give us and yourself a clearer perspective
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I replied that in post #36 in this thread: Are girls willing to settle down with poor guys?, March 2017 thread.

FYI, when I first met my fiance, he was unemployed for 5 months. He said he's poor, & when we met, he didn't even dress up properly; just plain & normal clothes, some faded ones, and hair was also not combed & messy. After we started dating, he was unemployed for another 6 months.

I was with him since his unemployment till today, went through ups and downs with him.

& that's how I could come up with this statement:

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Fourthly, if you're dating a guy who is earning an average income, please develop his potential and push him to success. Your aspiration, dreams and energy level can fuel his ambition to give you the life both of you want -- enjoy comfort without worry, and perhaps, a life of luxury one day.
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Lastly, love a man not for his money, but for his personality, his character, dreams and ambitions, and earning potential. The truly rich man is one who can lose everything, smile and start all over again, and earn the same pot of gold in a decade or two. Now that is what I call true wealth. thumbsup.gif


Hope this answers your question.

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QUOTE(Zero Correlation @ Jul 19 2018, 03:25 PM)
Share ler wei, I'm really curious but not hardworking enough. Just a link to one of the interviews is good enough

What an interesting thread that garnered 6 pages from last night. Good to hear that the relationship dept is working well

Just wanted to say to TS, I'm a tad bit dissapointed that you couldn't survive SG working culture. Surely such a confident and highly competent Msian could shine in Singapore corporate world  whistling.gif
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Well, I don't want my identity to be exposed yet. But I do have the links; valid, not made up story.

Again, don't make assumption without asking why I quit my job.

FYI, I was headhunted to work in SG, but eventually I fired my boss. I wasn't happy with how things were done in the dept, employee turnover was 40% within 6 months, so I chaired a meeting as the dept representative, & presented to the senior director, director, 2 managers and supervisor in the conference room. The company hoped I'd stay to help out, I said no. Left with a farewell party, presents and card.

Full story in this thread: Working in Singapore V20

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QUOTE(RUI @ Jul 19 2018, 03:09 PM)
Substantiate your allegation that I have I labelled you or labelled you wrongly. Else, you are the one personally attacking me. Apology not compulsory.

Those are not assumption. Those are in ur very own writing. From the title and the quotes below.

You hv a target/victim (rich men,HIM), you have your methods (bait the victim,HIM) and finally finishing of with the kill (the list of rewards of your kill, HIM).
You checked all that in your text.

How do you have the audacity to say you are not doing it for men? Maybe not all men, that you are right. But rich men (it's in the title by the way before you accuse me anything).  rclxub.gif  rclxub.gif  rclxub.gif ?

Try detached urself from ur writing and go through this list. Ask urself honestly how many redflags u checked.
https://www.wikihow.com/Spot-a-Gold-Digger

It's shallow and hollow. Shouldn't be encouraged.
Focus on betterman/woman is good. Banging rich tycoon is secondary. But it appears you got it the other way round and refused to admit it.

Melinda Gates story is inspiring. But for some reason, people are more interested in donating to Kylie Jenner.
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You reminds me of something that Doctor House said, it's normal to be screwed up. It's really screwed up to romanticize it.
In this case, gold digging is in their soul, like she said it's normal. It's really hypocrite/messed up to talk about it but refuse to acknowledge it.
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QUOTE(RUI @ Jul 19 2018, 03:09 PM)
Substantiate your allegation that I have I labelled you or labelled you wrongly. Else, you are the one personally attacking me. Apology not compulsory.

Those are not assumption. Those are in ur very own writing. From the title and the quotes below.

You hv a target/victim (rich men,HIM), you have your methods (bait the victim,HIM) and finally finishing of with the kill (the list of rewards of your kill, HIM).
You checked all that in your text.

How do you have the audacity to say you are not doing it for men? Maybe not all men, that you are right. But rich men (it's in the title by the way before you accuse me anything).  rclxub.gif  rclxub.gif  rclxub.gif ?

Try detached urself from ur writing and go through this list. Ask urself honestly how many redflags u checked.
https://www.wikihow.com/Spot-a-Gold-Digger

It's shallow and hollow. Shouldn't be encouraged.
Focus on betterman/woman is good. Banging rich tycoon is secondary. But it appears you got it the other way round and refused to admit it.

Melinda Gates story is inspiring. But for some reason, people are more interested in donating to Kylie Jenner.
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Again, quoting out of context. Can you at least read my other subsequent posts? Did you bother to read them? No, you didn't. That's why you came up with this conclusion. Based on one piece of writing that was substantiated by many other posts that I wrote to justify.

"hv a target/victim → you have your methods (bait the victim) and finally finishing of with the kill"
DON'T YOU MEN DO THE SAME?

The difference is that, whether you guys aim for rich women or not.

Admit it, some men also aim for rich women. If you guys are given a choice to date a poor girl from kampung VS a financially established woman, you guys will also aim for the latter, unless the poor girl has more pull factors than the established woman.
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QUOTE(Ralna @ Jul 19 2018, 04:40 PM)
Well, I don't want my identity to be exposed yet. But I do have the links; valid, not made up story.

Again, don't make assumption without asking why I quit my job.

FYI, I was headhunted to work in SG, but eventually I fired my boss. I wasn't happy with how things were done in the dept, employee turnover was 40% within 6 months, so I chaired a meeting as the dept representative, & presented to the senior director, director, 2 managers and supervisor in the conference room. The company hoped I'd stay to help out, I said no. Left with a farewell party, presents and card.

Full story in this thread: Working in Singapore V20
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My statement was meant to mess with you, sounds like you took the bait tongue.gif

I've been dealing with Singaporeans and took it out on you, no offense please. The truth is their working culture can be really messed up and so what if we can't survive their style? Msians are into short cuts or finding the best way to do something, we question way too much to their liking


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QUOTE(Ralna @ Jul 18 2018, 09:07 PM)
See, this is the problem with you guys: always straightaway jump to conclusions, because of your past experiences or whatever failures/ rejections you faced with other "gold-digging" materialistic women. You end up so paranoid and sarcastic, labelling all women as the same bitchy type.

Read carefully again. Did I pursue those men? I didn't. They approached me. & They happened to be of that category. They told me about their background, not like I hunted for them.  I'm not a sugar baby either. Jeez. With their wealth and status, you think they won't know how to differentiate between a gold digger and a real gem?

If you read my previous thread, I don't pursue men; said that many times already. Go study more about the law of attraction.
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i remember last year u got date with a guy fr singapore happy with him right
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QUOTE(Zero Correlation @ Jul 19 2018, 04:55 PM)
My statement was meant to mess with you, sounds like you took the bait  tongue.gif

I've been dealing with Singaporeans and took it out on you, no offense please. The truth is their working culture can be really messed up and so what if we can't survive their style? Msians are into short cuts or finding the best way to do something, we question way too much to their liking
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I know, but you know I'm always up for a challenge.

Not offended; I just enjoy the thrill, coz honestly, I like debates, argumentative writing and public speaking a lot. I used to challenge my students on topics, such as "Prostitution should be legalised in Malaysia" and also "Plastic surgery is beneficial" etc, and watch them argue among themselves. This topic, albeit controversial, is actually fun for me to read and reply. Yeah, most men find this type of women "annoying" or "intimidating", but if you are in the academia, this is a required skill: be able to think critically, and produce logical arguments.

I don't enjoy working in SG though the currency is powerful and facilities are world-class. Still prefer Malaysia; that's why I came back instead of applying for other jobs in SG.



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QUOTE(SMB002 @ Jul 19 2018, 04:45 PM)
You reminds me of something that Doctor House said, it's normal to be screwed up. It's really screwed up to romanticize it.
In this case, gold digging is in their soul, like she said it's normal. It's really hypocrite/messed up to talk about it but refuse to acknowledge it.
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Guys pick chicks with ideal waist to hip ratio is strongly relates with fertility.
That's for better next gen. Mostly don't do that. I do not disagree.

At least make it mutual. Hot chick bangs hot guys out of mutual lust and desire for one another is ok. But, I despise people who trades with good look and hot curves with material providence. I despise both the men and women in such transaction.

Girl pick guys who can foot expensive wedding bill and vacation.
That's for what exactly? What is that? What's there to be proud of or what's useful there? What's the point?

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QUOTE(DoomCognition @ Jul 19 2018, 02:51 PM)
I think I will just leave my reply as this.  I suggest you think about it, hard and deep. But I know you won't. 

How do I know?  Because I was once like you. Combative, confident and full of myself.

I also do not believe in fake humility.  I believe in true humility.

I just hope whatever I have shared will resonate with you one day, or at the very least, help you see the light one day, even if it is just a baby step towards it. And perhaps help whoever is reading this as well.
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Thanks for your time to write the reply. I do agree with some of your points, but some I disagree. It's fine coz we have our share of life experiences.

Again, there's no one way of "correct thinking" or "correct method" of doing things. So whether one lives the "right way" or not, just look at the outcome of one's life, and whether one feels contented/ satisfied or not. If both are positive, then it's good enough.
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QUOTE(RUI @ Jul 19 2018, 05:08 PM)
Guys pick chicks with ideal waist to hip ratio is strongly relates with fertility.
That's for better next gen. Mostly don't do that. I do not disagree.

At least make it mutual. Hot chick bangs hot guys out of mutual lust and desire for one another is ok. But, I despise people who trades with good look and hot curves with material providence. I despise both the men and women in such transaction.

Girl pick guys who can foot expensive wedding bill and vacation.
That's for what exactly? What is that? What's there to be proud of or what's useful there? What's the point?
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Social media, duh.
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Hey guys and girls, let's take a step back

Is life really so checklist and template based to you? That guys want the hottest girl and girls want the richest guy? If you really think like that, then please skip the rest of my short post.

My point is, life is so much more than that. To me, compatibility is a lot more important; and tolerance too. How do you last a lifetime with just the hottest girl or richest guy; life continue to throw us curveball, all the time.

If I wanted to boast like TS, I'd probably tick most of the boxes if I follow her template (took me great effort to brag like this)
- Looks (okla, not that great) but hey, I've good genes with great skin brows.gif
- brain - absolutely; consistently rated high performer at work in a very competitive organisation and industry; topics on economy, politics local or international is fine with me; it's usually the guys who can't keep up and give me blank look
- filial to parents - no issue there
- can be a good mum - proven record here
- talented - can cook; interested in personal finance and work out cashflow projections for fren's plan biz ventures can count or not?

Anyway, one more story to tell
So I know this woman, since young she wanted to marry rich because she came from an ok-ish family but wanted more. She chose this guy with family business although he may not be her first choice if $$$ is not a factor. Had a child with him. He tried very hard to please her financially but she's not happy as she has a bad fall out with his family. Without the family wealth, the guy is not good enough for him.
Eventually, they got a divorce, she has to come out to work again. Gotta say she's a resourceful person, even with gaps in her CV and limited years of experience, she managed to climb to 5digit salary in a short time. And guess what, she met a guy who can't provide for her financially, but could meet all her emotional needs. This time round she's mature enough to realise sometimes money is not everything. She's still materialistic, I think nothing can change that about her, but she is now willing to work for it instead of working for a rich husband

My point is, there are more than one way to get what you want. Let's not be so template/checklist based. Life is more interesting than that
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QUOTE(Ralna @ Jul 19 2018, 10:33 AM)

Had serious acne for more than a decade. Tried many products, only to make it worse. Anyway, now it's fully cured after treatments; no more acne eruptions or scars. Most of my treatments were restorative; only the cheaper ones were for aesthetic purpose, like mani/pedicure, which most girls also like, esp. for attending events.

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May i ask what did u do to get rid of acne and scars fully?

Short story of myself.
Had a job in dim sum shop. And my face was ruined.

Did everything i can.
Facial product/supplement/taking care of cleanliness

Fast forward till now its been close to 3 years.
I can say it has recovered bout 75-80%.
But it just stuck at there. Some pimples at the same place come and go. I just cant get them away.

So any advice for me?? Thanks.
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QUOTE(Ralna @ Jul 19 2018, 10:33 AM)
Had serious acne for more than a decade. Tried many products, only to make it worse. Anyway, now it's fully cured after treatments; no more acne eruptions or scars. Most of my treatments were restorative; only the cheaper ones were for aesthetic purpose, like mani/pedicure, which most girls also like, esp. for attending events.

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QUOTE(New Klang @ Jul 19 2018, 02:42 PM)
Your health and skin condition in your earlier years could be due to emotional distress and lack of confidence.

As a strong person, you should go get a job and set high targets to hit.

As a language expert, you should know how to write between the lines. Your posts invites a lot of responses can be more than envy, some are not very nice.
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Yes, coz went through poverty and traumas, as a child and teenager. Life & death matters. Either flight or fight. Not many people experienced this; that's why only know how to talk from a place of comfort, be a keyboard warrior; common in FB comments too.

I'm looking into entrepreneurship, not employment. Find it boring and repetitive to hit KPIs of different companies, easily. I've worked for 10 companies; FT, PT & freelance, all long-term or permanent position. You can imagine how many interviews & tests etc I had to sit for and do well in, to secure each job.

Yeah, it's okay. Those responses are quite mild; my blood pressure didn't go high. When you are poor and at the bottom, it's much worse.

Thanks for your reply. smile.gif
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QUOTE(TAN WENG @ Jul 19 2018, 05:04 PM)
i remember last year u got date with a guy fr singapore happy with him right
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Yeah, still with him. Almost 2 years together now. smile.gif
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QUOTE(SmallPenguin @ Jul 19 2018, 05:22 PM)
May i ask what did u do to get rid of acne and scars fully?

Short story of myself.
Had a job in dim sum shop. And my face was ruined.

Did everything i can.
Facial product/supplement/taking care of cleanliness

Fast forward till now its been close to 3 years.
I can say it has recovered bout  75-80%.
But it just stuck at there. Some pimples at the same place come and go. I just cant get them away.

So any advice for me?? Thanks.
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So do you have acne scars, or just growing new pimples?

If you've done the necessary skincare to your skin, then it's most likely to be internal problems = need to change lifestyle or diet, coz you mentioned "Some pimples at the same place come and go".

FYI, where the pimples grow can indicate which part of the internal organ has problem. Are you aware of this? Can google, or if you need more info, can pm me.
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QUOTE(Ralna @ Jul 19 2018, 04:54 PM)
Again, quoting out of context. Can you at least read my other subsequent posts? Did you bother to read them? No, you didn't. That's why you came up with this conclusion. Based on one piece of writing that was substantiated by many other posts that I wrote to justify.

"hv a target/victim → you have your methods (bait the victim) and finally finishing of with the kill"
DON'T YOU MEN DO THE SAME?

The difference is that, whether you guys aim for rich women or not.

Admit it, some men also aim for rich women. If you guys are given a choice to date a poor girl from kampung VS a financially established woman, you guys will also aim for the latter, unless the poor girl has more pull factors than the established woman.
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Yes. Some LOW LIFE do that all the time. But, guys do not rationalize it like you do and turn it as if a trophy worth fighting for.
We haven't have an idiot like that to come brag about his books "Men's Guide to RICH women's pants with average penis and keep her cumming for more". I already addressed that in first post. At least, that low life would quietly talk about it and knows it's not something proud of to do.

Nope, sorry not yet. If he does, I will bash him up and down the field the same.

Let me give u a male version of ur story.
"The secret for rich women coming for more is having a foot long that last 3 hours. So, I spent countless of hours and $$$ keeping my foot long hard but tender. Finally, my hard work has paid off. I got this auntie that inherit hundred of million from his late husband and buys me yacht, rolex and mansion. Damm, i'm finally in the pinnacle of success, you losers out the should learn from me".

That's exactly like SMB002 said, it's normal to be screwed up. It's really screwed up to romanticize it. sweat.gif sweat.gif sweat.gif

It's not all bad in ur sharing. The focus should be on, how u weather thick and thin with him and that would be a strong inspiring foundation to form a a relationship. But, that would be false unless you define getting "richer" as thick and thin (Try not to forget you wrote that he is a UK and born into a family to inherit business empire). That's on top of you explicitly said, "you wouldn't waste time on men older than you that's not successful *in ur messed up definition". I'm inclined to believe that it's thick and thin my ass rclxs0.gif rclxs0.gif

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RUI when I saw TS post, I was very sure that it would invite replies that question her motive or even personality.

Hence I said guys should just wish her well and move on.

This post is not for guys but for girls who want to marry rich guys.

I look forward to seeing your post on "Men's Guide to RICH women's pants with average penis and keep her cumming for more" and I will post my comments there.
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QUOTE(RUI @ Jul 19 2018, 05:35 PM)
Yes. Some LOW LIFE do that all the time. But, guys do not rationalize it like you do and turn it as if a trophy worth fighting for.
We haven't have an idiot like that to come brag about his books "Men's Guide to RICH women's pants with average penis and keep her cumming for more". I already addressed that in first post. At least, that low life would quietly talk about it and knows it's not something proud of to do.

Nope, sorry not yet. If he does, I will bash him up and down the field the same.

Let me give u a male version of ur story.
"The secret for rich women coming for more is having a foot long that last 3 hours. So, I spent countless of hours and $$$ keeping my foot long hard but tender. Finally, my hard work has paid off. I got this auntie that inherit hundred of million from his late husband and buys me yacht, rolex and mansion. Damm, i'm finally in the pinnacle of success, you losers out the should learn from me".

That's exactly like SMB002 said, it's normal to be screwed up. It's really screwed up to romanticize it.  sweat.gif  sweat.gif  sweat.gif

It's not all bad in ur sharing. The focus should be on, how u weather thick and thin with him and that would be a strong inspiring foundation to form a a relationship. But, that would be false unless you define getting "richer" as thick and thin (Try not to forget you wrote that he is a UK and born into a family to inherit business empire).  rclxs0.gif  rclxs0.gif
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If a man could come up with a book like that, wouldn't it be a bestseller? smile.gif

Come to think of it, it's kinda interesting if some "low life" really publishes it, and then he ends up becoming richer than you guys. That's the reality; often ironic.

Just like when Playboy magazine was first published. The conservative society at that time couldn't accept it, but eventually, it led to sexual revolution in the U.S. The topic was once a taboo, but now... you guys should know better than me. More male readers than female ones, statistically. brows.gif


About going through thick & thin with him, read my reply on Page 7, Post#121. Just answered that.
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QUOTE(Ralna @ Jul 19 2018, 05:31 PM)
So do you have acne scars, or just growing new pimples?

If you've done the necessary skincare to your skin, then it's most likely to be internal problems = need to change lifestyle or diet, coz you mentioned "Some pimples at the same place come and go".

FYI, where the pimples grow can indicate which part of the internal organ has problem. Are you aware of this? Can google, or if you need more info, can pm me.
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I have acne and pimples mostly
Scars not really

Yes im aware of this. So i tried controlling my foods intake for several months. Only eat poridge with meat and vege. Nothing else. And it didnt work out. So i changed back to normal lifestyle just without heavy foods or sweet drinks.

So im curious to know what did u do to get rid of them.

Im okay to continue the coversation in pm if you want or we can continue here.
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Back to topic, if the girl looking such as Instagram material, every day have many followers links.
I don't think that is impossible to marry with rich man husband.
Just a simple words.
Do you have the look and confidence why not?
If just looking so so only, go with the average guy for all.
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QUOTE(SmallPenguin @ Jul 19 2018, 05:51 PM)
I have acne and pimples mostly
Scars not really

Yes im aware of this. So i tried controlling my foods intake for several months. Only eat poridge with meat and vege. Nothing else. And it didnt work out. So i changed back to normal lifestyle just without heavy foods or sweet drinks.

So im curious to know what did u do to get rid of them.

Im okay to continue the coversation in pm if you want or we can continue here.
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Please consult a dermatologist and not a random stranger on the Internet for matters relating to your personal health.

Having unhealthy skin is a symptom.

You need to treat the disease.


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QUOTE(SmallPenguin @ Jul 19 2018, 05:51 PM)
I have acne and pimples mostly
Scars not really

Yes im aware of this. So i tried controlling my foods intake for several months. Only eat poridge with meat and vege. Nothing else. And it didnt work out. So i changed back to normal lifestyle just without heavy foods or sweet drinks.

So im curious to know what did u do to get rid of them.

Im okay to continue the coversation in pm if you want or we can continue here.
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Ah, I see. My acne was caused by stressful lifestyles, and I focused more on treating acne scars. In this case, follow cfa28's advice (as below) since you can't identify the root cause.


QUOTE(cfa28 @ Jul 19 2018, 05:53 PM)
Please consult a dermatologist and not a random stranger on the Internet for matters relating to your personal health.

Having unhealthy skin is a symptom.

You need to treat the disease.
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QUOTE(Ralna @ Jul 19 2018, 05:48 PM)
About going through thick & thin with him, read my reply on Page 7, Post#121. Just answered that.
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i believe it is not hard for you to actually sense whether or not someone is really poor or rich disguised as one
from day one you already knew that he was up to something, hence you chose to continue the relationship with him, whilst continually validate your initial hypothesis on him

then eventually proved out that your assumption on him was correct, that he is up to something, he has heap load of cash at home

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QUOTE(Ralna @ Jul 18 2018, 09:07 PM)
See, this is the problem with you guys: always straightaway jump to conclusions, because of your past experiences or whatever failures/ rejections you faced with other "gold-digging" materialistic women. You end up so paranoid and sarcastic, labelling all women as the same bitchy type.

Read carefully again. Did I pursue those men? I didn't. They approached me. & They happened to be of that category. They told me about their background, not like I hunted for them.  I'm not a sugar baby either. Jeez. With their wealth and status, you think they won't know how to differentiate between a gold digger and a real gem?

If you read my previous thread, I don't pursue men; said that many times already. Go study more about the law of attraction.
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QUOTE(cfa28 @ Jul 19 2018, 05:53 PM)
Please consult a dermatologist and not a random stranger on the Internet for matters relating to your personal health.

Having unhealthy skin is a symptom.

You need to treat the disease.
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Trust me i did at first.

But i didnt want to continue the medication. We all know its bad for health and expensive. So i stopped after several months.

Im open for any suggestions. So i want to hear from someone who had similar experince(if what she claimed is true)

QUOTE(Ralna @ Jul 19 2018, 06:02 PM)
Ah, I see. My acne was caused by stressful lifestyles, and I focused more on treating acne scars. In this case, follow cfa28's advice (as below) since you can't identify the root cause.
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Hmm. Perhaps i should look at more details in my internal body. Anyway thanks of course
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This thread scares the bejesus out of me. Whatever happened to good old fashioned, boy-meets-girl, "falling madly for each other" love?

Not to say that you and your fiance didn't fall for each other - pretty sure you must have. But there's so much preparation and calculation that went into "getting the guy I want" that it just feels a bit superficial. And that's off putting.

I'm all for working on yourself. Everyone should strive to be the best version of themselves. Eat well, dress well, hit the gym, yada yada. But I wouldn't do it for a girl. I'd do it for myself.

Perhaps I'm just too big of a romantic. I want to meet someone, fall in love, and go through live together without one party having preset goals of me having to be X, Y and Z. And I say this as a person whose done well enough - house, car, super cute dog, and the ability to provide.

Props to you for knowing what you want in life, and setting out to get it (and not just relationship-wise. You obviously did well in your career too). Me? I'm a bit more happy-go-lucky. Perhaps, to you, that's a loser's mentality (I sure hope not). But life's just too fucking short to not fucking live, you know?

Anyway, cheers to you and yours!
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QUOTE(PhakFuhZai @ Jul 19 2018, 06:03 PM)
i believe it is not hard for you to actually sense whether or not someone is really poor or rich disguised as one
hence you chose to remain with him in order to test out your initial hypothesis on him
then eventually found out that your assumption on him was correct
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I'd say I'm excellent in sensing whether a man has winner mindset or not. The outcome is just an evidence of that ability.

Quote my own Post#13, "I like men who can create wealth themselves; their inheritance is a bonus, but not a necessity. More specifically, I like the mindset of a winner. Wealth is the outcome of positive/winning mindset. You cannot get rich if you have loser/poverty mindset."

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Just sharing. Can skip it if you don't wanna read.

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QUOTE(Ralna @ Jul 19 2018, 04:22 PM)
I replied that in post #36 in this thread: Are girls willing to settle down with poor guys?, March 2017 thread.

FYI, when I first met my fiance, he was unemployed for 5 months. He said he's poor, & when we met, he didn't even dress up properly; just plain & normal clothes, some faded ones, and hair was also not combed & messy. After we started dating, he was unemployed for another 6 months.

I was with him since his unemployment till today, went through ups and downs with him.

& that's how I could come up with this statement:
Hope this answers your question.
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It doesn't answer the question, if you would marry someone who isn't rich?
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QUOTE(titanmelvin @ Jul 19 2018, 07:14 PM)
It doesn't answer the question, if you would marry someone who isn't rich?
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I'll make sure he has the potential to get rich before I marry him, otherwise it's a no.

Why? Think this way:

If you have a daughter, and she wanna marry a poor man, would you agree? Most likely not.
Even if you agree, you wanna find out whether, in the future, your daughter will suffer or not if she's married to him. Otherwise, don't bother to get married. Choose another man.

If you have a daughter, and she's a high-flyer from young, always the top in studies and in career, would you want her to marry an average male?
Or, would you prefer her to be married to someone equally ambitious and successful?

Often, males who are ambitious and successful, are rich. It'd be an irony if he's not, unless he donates his wealth away, or just got bankrupt or got conned.
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QUOTE(Ralna @ Jul 19 2018, 07:32 PM)
I'll make sure he has the potential to get rich before I marry him, otherwise it's a no.

Why? Think this way:

If you have a daughter, and she wanna marry a poor man, would you agree? Most likely not.
Even if you agree, you wanna find out whether, in the future, your daughter will suffer or not if she's married to him. Otherwise, don't bother to get married. Choose another man.

If you have a daughter, and she's a high-flyer from young, always the top in studies and in career, would you want her to marry an average male?
Or, would you prefer her to be married to someone equally ambitious and successful?

Often, males who are ambitious and successful, are rich. It'd be an irony if he's not, unless he donates his wealth away, or just got bankrupt or got conned.
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Hi Ralna,

A bunch of us were reading your post and we are all very impressed by your honesty!

Could you tell us:

A. How successful does a guy need to be to qualify to date you (or your type of girl)?
B. If a girl is not pretty what to do?
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Hi Ralna,

A bunch of us were reading your post and we are all very impressed by your honesty!

Could you tell us:

A. How successful does a guy need to be to qualify to date you (or your type of girl)?
B. If a girl is not pretty what to do?
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Everyone uses their strengths and build on it. Opps I’m not ralna but for what I gather-lah (amongst the traits of know your worth an work on it)


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Hi Ralna,

A bunch of us were reading your post and we are all very impressed by your honesty!

Could you tell us:

A. How successful does a guy need to be to qualify to date you (or your type of girl)?
B. If a girl is not pretty what to do?
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Question 2
You might heard before.
There is no ugly lady, but only lazy ones.

Ts is a good example of hard work to be one of the ideal ones.
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Axia as minimum don't joke pls
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Yes I m joking at least a c class or c segment car .what I see ralna prefer a guy tat is leader or business man
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QUOTE(Ralna @ Jul 19 2018, 07:32 PM)
I'll make sure he has the potential to get rich before I marry him, otherwise it's a no.

Why? Think this way:

If you have a daughter, and she wanna marry a poor man, would you agree? Most likely not.
Even if you agree, you wanna find out whether, in the future, your daughter will suffer or not if she's married to him. Otherwise, don't bother to get married. Choose another man.

If you have a daughter, and she's a high-flyer from young, always the top in studies and in career, would you want her to marry an average male?
Or, would you prefer her to be married to someone equally ambitious and successful?

Often, males who are ambitious and successful, are rich. It'd be an irony if he's not, unless he donates his wealth away, or just got bankrupt or got conned.
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what is deemed as rich in your dictionary?

coz frankly, most people we encounter in daily lives are just middle class, could be upper-mid or lower-mid, earning rm20k salary is just middle class, so do driving a BMW 5 series, many startup entrepreneurs aren't rich, unless you are talking about Bryan Loo or Grab founder Anthony Tan, but that are all thanks to their privileged family backgrounds per se.

you are talking about the league of Vincent Tan or YTL or the timber king in coastal town in Malaysia? But then, all of these require more than just being ambitious. Robert Kwok earned his first bucket of gold due to his friendship to his Japanese boss whom gave him free supplies hence the free profit, luck did played its part here. From what I read from his memoirs, he was merely trying to improve his father's business from the beginning, and did not think of any other mega businesses at the time, so can you say he ain't that ambitious from the beginning?

my point is, everyone's time is different, you can be a millionaire by 30, yet you can be declared bankrupt at the age of 40; there are people who eventually started up a long lasting business at the age of 65, after countless failures of previous attempts, and that person was Colonel Sanders

if you cannot endure hardships with him before his succeed, what makes you think he needs you when he is successful one day?

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what is deemed as rich in your dictionary?

coz frankly, most people we encounter in daily lives are just middle class, could be upper-mid or lower-mid, earning rm20k salary is just middle class, so do driving a BMW 5 series, many startup entrepreneurs aren't rich, unless you are talking about Bryan Loo or Grab founder Anthony Tan, but that are all thanks to their privileged family backgrounds per se.

you are talking about the league of Vincent Tan or YTL or the timber king in coastal town in Malaysia? But then, all of these require more than just being ambitious. Robert Kwok earned his first bucket of gold due to his friendship to his Japanese boss whom gave him free supplies hence the free profit, luck did played its part here. From what I read from his memoirs, he was merely trying to improve his father's business from the beginning, and did not think of any other mega businesses at the time, so can you say he ain't that ambitious from the beginning?

my point is, everyone's time is different, you can be a millionaire by 30, yet you can be declared bankrupt at the age of 40; there are people who eventually started up a long lasting business at the age of 65, after countless failures of previous attempts, and that person was Colonel Sanders

if you cannot endure hardships with him before his succeed, what makes you think he needs you when he is successful one day?
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Earning 20k is middle class? Wow, I didn't know that. If both parents earn 20k, that is 40k household income.
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Trust me i did at first.

But i didnt want to continue the medication. We all know its bad for health and expensive. So i stopped after several months.

Im open for any suggestions. So i want to hear from someone who had similar experince(if what she claimed is true)
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When you see a dermatologist for acne, the 2 common thing that they prescribe to you is usually oral antibiotics & isotretinoin right? So what does those 2 do to you? The antibiotics is to clear off the bacteria that causes acne i.e. propionibacterium acnes & propionibacterium granulosum. Those are the 2 common strains of bacteria on our skin that causes acne.

Next, isotretinoin.....commonly known as accutane or raccutane here. What does it do to you? It shrinks your oil glands until it can’t produce oil, thus your skin won’t be oily. So on top of disrupting your oil glands (touch wood if it gets permanently disrupted), isotretinoin also kinda damage your liver. Hence, something to consider before you pop those pills.

So the doctors remove the bacteria & remove the oil to solve acne. The big question is, are there alternatives to achieve those? Yes of course.

Work backwards a bit, if oil is bad then why is our skin producing it? What is your skin trying to tell you? Answer: our skin produce oil as a self defense mechanism to protect itself & to tell you that it’s dry & dehydrated. So, respond to your skin - keep it hydrated & moisturized all the time. That’ll help to solve the oiliness.

As for the bacteria, plenty of other alternatives to clear off the bacteria without side effects. Also more often that not, it is we ourselves that puts the bacteria onto our face via our bad habit i.e. touching our face. So never touch your face unless your fingers/hands are absolutely clean & don’t put any objects on your face either to avoid contamination. Think back do you usually put anything on your face? Selfie much? Peace sign? Fruits? Pen? Toys? Pillows?
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QUOTE(SmallPenguin @ Jul 19 2018, 06:16 PM)
Trust me i did at first.

But i didnt want to continue the medication. We all know its bad for health and expensive. So i stopped after several months.

Im open for any suggestions. So i want to hear from someone who had similar experince(if what she claimed is true)
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If you have the money, try this milia seed treatment.

http://www.vl.com.my/rs-follicular-extraction.php


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The thread is simply amazing. Didn’t know gals nowaday are so superficial and some more comes with a thread to glorify such intention lol. Or maybe just the minority few like TS? Perhaps I’m just being ignorant? Or maybe lucky? Damn lucky I must say my wife is far far the opposite of what TS intended how a girl should turn up to be. In one way or another I’ll avoid such gal with a million foot pole. Forgot to mention I myself are kinda particular on how a gal treats a guy. Perhaps that ‘explains’ why I never had any close as TS in my social circle but I thank god anyway. No offence, but I do not agree on how u are trying so hard to justify being a gold digger. All the best nevertheless.
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QUOTE(NightHeart @ Jul 19 2018, 11:51 PM)
When you see a dermatologist for acne, the 2 common thing that they prescribe to you is usually oral antibiotics & isotretinoin right? So what does those 2 do to you? The antibiotics is to clear off the bacteria that causes acne i.e. propionibacterium acnes & propionibacterium granulosum. Those are the 2 common strains of bacteria on our skin that causes acne.

Next, isotretinoin.....commonly known as accutane or raccutane here. What does it do to you? It shrinks your oil glands until it can’t produce oil, thus your skin won’t be oily. So on top of disrupting your oil glands (touch wood if it gets permanently disrupted), isotretinoin also kinda damage your liver. Hence, something to consider before you pop those pills.

So the doctors remove the bacteria & remove the oil to solve acne. The big question is, are there alternatives to achieve those? Yes of course.

Work backwards a bit, if oil is bad then why is our skin producing it? What is your skin trying to tell you? Answer: our skin produce oil as a self defense mechanism to protect itself & to tell you that it’s dry & dehydrated. So, respond to your skin - keep it hydrated & moisturized all the time. That’ll help to solve the oiliness.

As for the bacteria, plenty of other alternatives to clear off the bacteria without side effects. Also more often that not, it is we ourselves that puts the bacteria onto our face via our bad habit i.e. touching our face. So never touch your face unless your fingers/hands are absolutely clean & don’t put any objects on your face either to avoid contamination. Think back do you usually put anything on your face? Selfie much? Peace sign? Fruits? Pen? Toys? Pillows?
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> keep it hydrated & moisturized all the time
yep i apply moisturizer every time after cleaning of course after toner

i change my pillow case daily too. Pretty much I do what can be done already. Yes I do see improvements, about 80%, but not fully recover. Perhaps Im still in my early twenties and the hormone thing still going on in my bodies.

QUOTE(kennykck @ Jul 20 2018, 12:18 AM)
If you have the money, try this milia seed treatment.

http://www.vl.com.my/rs-follicular-extraction.php
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Appreciate it but cant afford it tongue.gif
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QUOTE(Ralna @ Jul 19 2018, 05:48 PM)
If a man could come up with a book like that, wouldn't it be a bestseller? smile.gif

Come to think of it, it's kinda interesting if some "low life" really publishes it, and then he ends up becoming richer than you guys. That's the reality; often ironic.

Just like when Playboy magazine was first published. The conservative society at that time couldn't accept it, but eventually, it led to sexual revolution in the U.S. The topic was once a taboo, but now... you guys should know better than me. More male readers than female ones, statistically. brows.gif 
About going through thick & thin with him, read my reply on Page 7, Post#121. Just answered that.
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Nope. It will get kicked up and down the field like a ball. And left to right too.

Since when pornographic materials are target to female audience?

I mean...
1) “I got a foot long down there and my girl moans in ecstasy.“ public response: yeah yeah, good for u.
2) “I got a foot long down there, and I lost count of my many chick my bitch”. Public response like: what’s wrong with you?
3) “I got a foot long down there, and guess what? I banged 3 widows last week. One bought me a watch, One bought me a sport car and One bought me a mansion. U loser should learn from me”. Public response: lu ki siao liao ar?

Promiscuity, manipulative, superficiality, materialistic or leeching off other labour aren’t virtues. If they are WRONG or not; technically, although they hurt nobody. But it shouldn’t be encouraged what’s more a manual about it.




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QUOTE(SmallPenguin @ Jul 20 2018, 12:26 AM)
> keep it hydrated & moisturized all the time
yep i apply moisturizer every time after cleaning of course after toner

i change my pillow case daily too. Pretty much I do what can be done already. Yes I do see improvements, about 80%, but not fully recover. Perhaps Im still in my early twenties and the hormone thing still going on in my bodies.
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Then relook at what you’re using, look deeper.....does it really hydrate your skin? Does it really moisturize your skin? Or is it just merely marketing claims on the label. Front labels can be deceiving sometimes. What’s inside it that hydrate & what’s inside it that moisturize your skin?

Is your toner actually drying up your skin instead hydrating it?

If you have acne scars what are you doing to heal the scars?

Sometimes, it’s all about relooking at what you’re currently doing with a different perspective & question it. You may find the answer to your problems that way.
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QUOTE(Ralna @ Jul 19 2018, 07:32 PM)
I'll make sure he has the potential to get rich before I marry him, otherwise it's a no.

Why? Think this way:

If you have a daughter, and she wanna marry a poor man, would you agree? Most likely not.
Even if you agree, you wanna find out whether, in the future, your daughter will suffer or not if she's married to him. Otherwise, don't bother to get married. Choose another man.

If you have a daughter, and she's a high-flyer from young, always the top in studies and in career, would you want her to marry an average male?
Or, would you prefer her to be married to someone equally ambitious and successful?

Often, males who are ambitious and successful, are rich. It'd be an irony if he's not, unless he donates his wealth away, or just got bankrupt or got conned.
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You r too obsessed with wealth. Often that’s the language of the poor.

Your obsession should be on creating value to society, to the marketplace. Bring your potential and skill to the next level. Money is just a marker to keep track of ur progress. And his success and wealth has nothing to do with you? Can tumpang One ar? Since u r engaged, it’s pretty pointless to ask, but I’m gonna ask anyway. How would u feel about him insisting you to sign prenup ?

So, what do u think about people that donates their money off and start over? Does that mean they are any less successful/ambitious.


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QUOTE(DoomCognition @ Jul 19 2018, 11:44 PM)
Earning 20k is middle class? Wow, I didn't know that. If both parents earn 20k, that is 40k household income.
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20k household income can barely send all of your kids to international schools, can barely send all of them to a full 4 year degree studies in UK, hardly can afford a 2 storey bangalows in Tropicana, and almost impossible to have all at the same time

Most corporate figures are middle class, except the C-lvls or partners of a firm.

TS aims for T20 or upper M40? I believe at most she is just an upper M40
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QUOTE(PhakFuhZai @ Jul 20 2018, 08:46 AM)
20k household income can barely send all of your kids to international schools,  can barely send all of them to a full 4 year degree studies in UK, hardly can afford a 2 storey bangalows in Tropicana, and almost impossible to have all at the same time

Most corporate figures are middle class, except the C-lvls or partners of a firm.

TS aims for T20 or upper M40? I believe at most she is just an upper M40
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Ur kids can form a football team is it?

How much money do you need before you can do all that?
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Ur kids can form a football team is it?

How much money do you need before you can do all that?
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hence the distinction between rich and middle class

I think international school roughly costs rm3k per mth per person, if you got 2 kids then it would be rm6k per month, rm20k salary nett is rm15k+, bangalow installments costs about rm6k++?

I for one won't and can't afford to send them to that place anyway

maybe TS fiance is rich hence they could afford that

upper middle class can stretch to a Lexus RX300, while the rich one have collections of Porsche at home

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Then relook at what you’re using, look deeper.....does it really hydrate your skin? Does it really moisturize your skin? Or is it just merely marketing claims on the label. Front labels can be deceiving sometimes. What’s inside it that hydrate & what’s inside it that moisturize your skin?

Is your toner actually drying up your skin instead hydrating it?

If you have acne scars what are you doing to heal the scars?

Sometimes, it’s all about relooking at what you’re currently doing with a different perspective & question it. You may find the answer to your problems that way.
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I see.
Because I tried a lot products before. And now Im using the combination of which makes me feel good.
Some toner can be too slicky like moisturizer and i dont like it so i use water-type
Some moisturizer can be too heavy and creamy so i use liquid-type

I'll see what i can do. Thanks btw
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Rm20k per mth is very far from being classified as rich

Even RM40k per mth cannot be classified as rich

To qualify as rich, income must be at least RM100K per month

Other than that, it's just upper middle class or very upper middle class segment
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I have read through this entire thread till this point.

I would say people get together on a willing buyer willing seller basis. Caveat emptor.

One of my main takeaway from reading one of Richard Bransons book is that he looks to hire happy people.

Happy people cheat less, lie less and more of them make the world a better place.

Just as men have a preference for looks, women have a preference for resources. You can say its a trade off.

TS has been very forthcoming in her experiences and thoughts and i'm sure many have benefited from this discussion.

Marriage should ideally be a win-win partnership through thick or thin.

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I see that many people got offended by TS because of her willingness to share out her strategy and be honest with us all.

I find that it's extremely wise of TS to actually been able to determine what it is in life that she really wanted and from there she worked hard and invest a lot monetarily to ensure that she have the criteria to potentially attracts men that falls under her criteria.

So instead of bombarding TS, i believe a lot of people here who have difficulties in searching for a partners can actually gain inspiration from TS and not just complained about can't find a partner.

And I really got inspired by TS mainly due to I see that she do not wander around mindlessly, she knows what she want, she knows what she got to do to get it done and most importantly she get it done. Now she has succeeded and all her hard works payoff.

For those who find that unable to get a partner, do you know:-

1. What you want in life?
2. What to do for it to get it?
3. Have you taken action?
4. Is the action that you taken are the right one?



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What I couldn't understand is .. TS being still young, already share her experience as in already successful Being in a relationship with the current bf of 2years, already deem as "forever" good and the catch is with her forever? Another thing is, in her context, I don't understand what is consider rich. Get a rich husband, but is her fiance consider rich (already?) If he is rich, tell me if I read wrongly that she actually get SGDxxx sponsor from him since she quit her job.

Like someone said, there is no checklist when it come to relationship. You may be able to hit it for a start, but down the road.. maintaining it and managing your partner is an art. You can attract a person and get him to marry you, but you won't know when your winning point will become a boring figure for him. There are things that you think you can do it, maintain it.. such as take good care of his parents. But when come to real situation, who knows? If a guy really can foresee his potential wife will not 101% click with his mom, he won't marry her in the first place. And there won't be any story of DIL and MIL fighting ya.

For me, the term rich is subjective. Looking at income vs basic expenses and needs. If someone who are debt free with enough cash to spend comfortable vs someone who driving Ferrari, staying bungalow under bank loan.. and continously need to find $ to maintain such lifestyle.. I prefer not to be the "rich". Even business man carry big loans behind their luxury outlook.. poor thing, is a man with debt.
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QUOTE(flying_manatee @ Jul 19 2018, 08:31 PM)
Hi Ralna,

A bunch of us were reading your post and we are all very impressed by your honesty!

Could you tell us:

A. How successful does a guy need to be to qualify to date you (or your type of girl)?
B. If a girl is not pretty what to do?
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Thanks smile.gif You made my day.

A. To be honest, I'm attracted to guys with winner-mindset/ mentality of the rich. Their wealth and success is the outcome of such mindset. A man can come from poor background, but he needs to have ambition and be daring enough to execute his goals/plans. I'm highly fascinated by men who think far into the future, are highly productive at work and in life, take good care of themselves and people around them, and continuously improve themselves (upgrading skills and knowledge).

Men can be rich by inheritance, but if they do not display these qualities, ... I don't feel attracted to them. That's why I rejected the first 4 who pursued me.
& I can demand for these qualities, coz I walk the talk myself. You want the best? You be the best first. Otherwise, you can't demand. Beggars can’t be choosers.

B. Not pretty... can be caused by various factors. It's either her skin/face/body parts, or her fashion sense, or her facial expressions (gloomy). So, need to identify which is the main factor, and work on it from there.
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QUOTE(cc980024 @ Jul 20 2018, 11:44 AM)
What I couldn't understand is .. TS being still young, already share her experience as in already successful Being in a relationship with the current bf of 2years, already deem as "forever" good and the catch is with her forever? Another thing is, in her context, I don't understand what is consider rich. Get a rich husband, but is her fiance consider rich (already?) If he is rich, tell me if I read wrongly that she actually get SGDxxx sponsor from him since she quit her job.

Like someone said, there is no checklist when it come to relationship. You may be able to hit it for a start, but down the road.. maintaining it and managing your partner is an art. You can attract a person and get him to marry you, but you won't know when your winning point will become a boring figure for him. There are things that you think you can do it, maintain it.. such as take good care of his parents. But when come to real situation, who knows? If a guy really can foresee his potential wife will not 101% click with his mom, he won't marry her in the first place. And there won't be any story of DIL and MIL fighting ya.

For me, the term rich is subjective. Looking at income vs basic expenses and needs. If someone who are debt free with enough cash to spend comfortable vs someone who driving Ferrari, staying bungalow under bank loan.. and continously need to find $ to maintain such lifestyle.. I prefer not to be the "rich". Even business man carry big loans behind their luxury outlook.. poor thing, is a man with debt.
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You sound like someone who's insecure in relationship and with negative outlook in life. It's common among many people.

Anyway, insecurity is a major problem that most people face in relationship, mostly felt by girls. Worried that their bf/husband will leave her, betray her, then become paranoid and start controlling him.

Not me.

Let me address your doubts, one by one:

1) Being in a relationship with the current bf of 2years, already deem as "forever" good and the catch is with her forever?

Why not you see it this way:

Within the 2 years, I made a man want to marry me and plan the future with me, and commit himself to me forever. & I am very sure he won't ever look for any other woman, even after marriage.

I didn't force him. It was his choice. (You must not force a man anyway; it's the worst thing to do.)

Yes, there can be thousands of hot & sexy women out there, wanting to be with him, but I have my confidence and tactics to keep his heart to me, and ensure his loyalty stays. This is the power and confidence I have in the relationship. & I'm not a loud & aggressive woman; quite gentle and soft-spoken in life, although my online writing is sharp and to the point.

I don't leave it to chance. I increase my pull factors... till I become irreplaceable in his life. If women can do that & feel secure, there won't be so many relationship problems.


2) If he is rich, tell me if I read wrongly that she actually get SGDxxx sponsor from him since she quit her job. [I]

Why not you see it this way:

Firstly, I don't demand SGD 4-digit because I only need the basic SGD 3-digit to cover my expenses. In other words, I live frugally. How many of you can survive with SGD 3-digit? Tell me.

Second, he asked me how much I need, I said SGD 3-digit. Since I don't demand SGD 4-digit, it's obvious that I'm not a gold digger. This is the pocket money my future husband gives to me. It's quite a common practice for men to give their future spouse/spouse some pocket money to use, apart from letting women manage household budget & expenses.

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To be honest, after sharing a lot, I feel kinda disappointed that people are confined to conventional ways of thinking.

Just one topic like this (on relationship strategy), you guys already can't take it.

All I can say is, if you do things the ordinary ways, you get ordinary results that most people get too. You are no different from them. Just ordinary, common and plain, whether in life, in career and in relationship.

I won't entertain any comments anymore; only intelligent questions. Coz whatever you write here doesn't affect my relationship and my future. I am still with the same man, enjoy the same fruits of success due to my hard work, living my relaxing life and going to travel a lot, and will have more good things to come.

Not writing all these to make you envy, okay? What's the point of making online strangers getting jealous? So that I feel good about myself?

With all that I have, I'm already happy in my life. I don't need your jealousy to make me happier, coz if I'm that type of person, I won't be taking my time to write about relationship advice and strategy in Cupid Corner. Heck, I'm not even paid by LYN to write, so why should I waste my time here entertaining all sorts of people & crappy stuffs?

I'm merely sharing how to do it (using my own walk-the-talk examples). If you ladies think it works, try it out. Otherwise, go and Google your own info, do your research and studies, and test out one by one.

& If you men can't take it, well, this thread is for women from the beginning, so your comments are actually irrelevant. Whether you like it or not, there are lots of books out there, for women, to teach them how to attract different types of men. That's the reality. You don't believe? Go do a search in Amazon.com. Then go & protest to these authors, one by one. Dare you to do it.

If your pursuits are highly successful, your relationship is great, and your marriage is blissful and perfect, go ahead and share how you do it. Otherwise, only know how to comment negatively and offensively, but can't even contribute some inspiring/ useful ideas... better to shut up then. The more venom you spit online, the more bitter you are inside. That's just who you are and what you have in you.

Don't like what I say here? Then prove it otherwise, by starting another thread, that contributes to knowledge in relationship, so that people can also learn from your experience.

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Seriously guys, stop trolling. How many people do I need to warn for trolling?

TS is entitled to her opinion and methods in getting what she wants. It's her life, her face, her body and choice. Who are we, or anyone here (all strangers and keyboard warriors) to judge? If she's a gold digger then it's her fiancee who should be worried and not anyone here, because it's none of our business.

At the end of the day, you cannot deny that she worked hard to get what she wants. Her effort and money was poured into "improving" herself physically while most of us put these effort into work, hobbies, learning a skill etc for a better future. On the opposite, I always believe in inner beauty and one's own ability to do something/ be independent. That's more important than beauty and youth, which fades in time. An ability or capability is something irreplaceable. It stays with you. However, it's a choice to choose which aspect you want to be better. It's HER choice, why so angry about it?

Everyone pursues different things in life. She pursues luxury while some of us don't. Even the definition of "rich" and "happiness" varies in each person's dictionary. It's okay to not be able to understand why she did that, but don't ever stereotype women or diss people just because they think or behave differently. Each of us are individuals - we are our own self, and you will always be who or what you choose to be.
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Thanks smile.gif You made my day.

A. To be honest, I'm attracted to guys with winner-mindset/ mentality of the rich. Their wealth and success is the outcome of such mindset. A man can come from poor background, but he needs to have ambition and be daring enough to execute his goals/plans. I'm highly fascinated by men who think far into the future, are highly productive at work and in life, take good care of themselves and people around them, and continuously improve themselves (upgrading skills and knowledge).

Men can be rich by inheritance, but if they do not display these qualities, ... I don't feel attracted to them. That's why I rejected the first 4 who pursued me.
& I can demand for these qualities, coz I walk the talk myself. You want the best? You be the best first. Otherwise, you can't demand. Beggars can’t be choosers.

B. Not pretty... can be caused by various factors. It's either her skin/face/body parts, or her fashion sense, or her facial expressions (gloomy). So, need to identify which is the main factor, and work on it from there.
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QUOTE(Ralna @ Jul 20 2018, 01:55 PM)
To be honest, after sharing a lot, I feel kinda disappointed that people are confined to conventional ways of thinking.

Just one topic like this (on relationship strategy), you guys already can't take it.

All I can say is, if you do things the ordinary ways, you get ordinary results that most people get too. You are no different from them. Just ordinary, common and plain, whether in life, in career and in relationship.

I won't entertain any comments anymore; only intelligent questions. Coz whatever you write here doesn't affect my relationship and my future. I am still with the same man, enjoy the same fruits of success due to my hard work, living my relaxing life and going to travel a lot, and will have more good things to come.

Not writing all these to make you envy, okay? What's the point of making online strangers getting jealous? So that I feel good about myself?

With all that I have, I'm already happy in my life. I don't need your jealousy to make me happier, coz if I'm that type of person, I won't be taking my time to write about relationship advice and strategy in Cupid Corner. Heck, I'm not even paid by LYN to write, so why should I waste my time here entertaining all sorts of people & crappy stuffs?

I'm merely sharing how to do it (using my own walk-the-talk examples). If you ladies think it works, try it out. Otherwise, go and Google your own info, do your research and studies, and test out one by one. 

& If you men can't take it, well, this thread is for women from the beginning, so your comments are actually irrelevant. Whether you like it or not, there are lots of books out there, for women, to teach them how to attract different types of men. That's the reality. You don't believe? Go do a search in Amazon.com. Then go & protest to these authors, one by one. Dare you to do it.

If your pursuits are highly successful, your relationship is great, and your marriage is blissful and perfect, go ahead and share how you do it. Otherwise, only know how to comment negatively and offensively, but can't even contribute some inspiring/ useful ideas... better to shut up then. The more venom you spit online, the more bitter you are inside. That's just who you are and what you have in you.

Don't like what I say here? Then prove it otherwise, by starting another thread, that contributes to knowledge in relationship, so that people can also learn from your experience.
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Don’t stop.

Some of the advices you have helped me in my own path (even if it may not yield the desired result I would like to hear) but yes they’re are other circumstances to my own problems

But yes yours advice is enlightening and refreshing for those who want to take it.

Ps.Still looking for my lioness to pursue (relentlessly)

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QUOTE(Ralna @ Jul 20 2018, 12:55 PM)
To be honest, after sharing a lot, I feel kinda disappointed that people are confined to conventional ways of thinking.

Just one topic like this (on relationship strategy), you guys already can't take it.

All I can say is, if you do things the ordinary ways, you get ordinary results that most people get too. You are no different from them. Just ordinary, common and plain, whether in life, in career and in relationship.

I won't entertain any comments anymore; only intelligent questions. Coz whatever you write here doesn't affect my relationship and my future. I am still with the same man, enjoy the same fruits of success due to my hard work, living my relaxing life and going to travel a lot, and will have more good things to come.

Not writing all these to make you envy, okay? What's the point of making online strangers getting jealous? So that I feel good about myself?

With all that I have, I'm already happy in my life. I don't need your jealousy to make me happier, coz if I'm that type of person, I won't be taking my time to write about relationship advice and strategy in Cupid Corner. Heck, I'm not even paid by LYN to write, so why should I waste my time here entertaining all sorts of people & crappy stuffs?

I'm merely sharing how to do it (using my own walk-the-talk examples). If you ladies think it works, try it out. Otherwise, go and Google your own info, do your research and studies, and test out one by one. 

& If you men can't take it, well, this thread is for women from the beginning, so your comments are actually irrelevant. Whether you like it or not, there are lots of books out there, for women, to teach them how to attract different types of men. That's the reality. You don't believe? Go do a search in Amazon.com. Then go & protest to these authors, one by one. Dare you to do it.

If your pursuits are highly successful, your relationship is great, and your marriage is blissful and perfect, go ahead and share how you do it. Otherwise, only know how to comment negatively and offensively, but can't even contribute some inspiring/ useful ideas... better to shut up then. The more venom you spit online, the more bitter you are inside. That's just who you are and what you have in you.

Don't like what I say here? Then prove it otherwise, by starting another thread, that contributes to knowledge in relationship, so that people can also learn from your experience.
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I find your thread very interesting indeed. It is best that I PM you for questions. Cheers biggrin.gif
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You sound like someone who's insecure in relationship and with negative outlook in life. It's common among many people.

Anyway, insecurity is a major problem that most people face in relationship, mostly felt by girls. Worried that their bf/husband will leave her, betray her, then become paranoid and start controlling him.

Not me.

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Just 1 small advise. Not me being insecure, is you being over confident.

Am lucky of being a girl grown up without a single pimple problem, standard figure and a quiet girl who were never proactive in making friends. With that itself, I have gone thru 3 relationships (minimally crossed 1 year anniversary for each of them). There are quite a fair bit of guys approached me, those from the same uni, their seniors, friends of a friend. But my time, there was no social media, and we don't simply go on a date with guy. No offence, and sorry to say that it never crosses my mind that there is a need to do something to let ppl notice or attracted to us. Really don't wish to say so, but just wish to tell you, one doesn't need to tell how great they are to show their confidence. And am lucky that I have no issue, that needed to boost my own confidence.

I dated my hubby for 5years and have been married over a decade. There are up and down, and it take years to understand each other, as both growing up and growing old.. this stages changed a person mindset. What you see now, may not be the same as what he see in future. Relationship is a something unique. Being a spouse, there is a need to continously learn to love him in every different age stage and channel of life.

I have seen attractive smart people married with their same kind of spouse too, with beautiful kids. Just like Princess Diana & Prince Charles. But we at the sweet moment of our own relationship, will not understand what have gone wrong with those divorce couple. We can simply say we can totally control the whole situation ourselves, but when one have not been through those situation, who are they to show such confident?

Just my 2cent. Hope everything is well for you, but you are still too young, there are lot more to learn in terms of understanding relationship and man, moreover keeping a man forever.
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Everyone judges other people to some extent, TS has done the same to the others here. What are you on about? We are free to judge her however we please, she can do the same if she's so inclined. If she can dish it out, she can take it. No one is coercing her to change her outlook on this particular topic, they just have a differing opinion. If you're a hypersensitive fag, maybe quit engaging with others online. There's bound to be some shit talk and banter. She's a strong independent woman after all, she can take the heat.
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exactly. the moment she posted this kinda post she would have known she will paint a target on her back. I see so many emotional minions defending her. laugh.gif

While we "appreciate" her sharing her life experience, we as man certainly do not appreciate her trying to educate female being fake, not genuine, counterfeit, forged, fraudulent, sham, imitation, false, bogus fishing rich guys based on looks only. That's what she preaches on the initial post and the title?

"How to Marry a Rich Man"

What? Seeing how many males reacting to her "advice" is absolutely normal. So to you all little emotional minions, please stop crying. laugh.gif

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How did I do it?

In terms of looks, I have spent nearly RM50k in the past few years on various skincare treatments to look beautiful, such as going for facials, mani/pedicure, hair treatments (rebonding, colouring), doing my eyebrows, lips, skin hair removal & polishing, body massages etc. Yeah, I look naturally pretty without any makeup; no need to edit photos too. With makeup, I look way more gorgeous. (Yeah, spent so much $$$, will of coz look fabulous.)

On a side note, a woman being able to spend RM10k a year on beauty enhancements without getting bankrupt or in bad debt is a sign of high earning power & prudent financial management. Men find rich/high-earning women attractive too, so be one. (Yeah, easier said than done, but can be done.)

Having good looks alone is not enough. If you are an empty flower vase = look good on the outside but have nothing solid inside, rich men will lose interest fast, coz you're no different from those hot chicks they meet.

So yeah, I spent lots of time reading books, esp. biz, finance, investments etc ("dry & boring" for most women), so that I know what to chat with them, and impress them. Then I also developed side interests, and learnt how to cook delicious meals, sing songs etc. & I work out to shape & tone my body; going to be age 30 but still look around mid-20s.

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The outcome? Attracted many high-earning professionals, and went on dates with them. (Birds of a feather flock together  wink.gif)

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Guys and girls this is a good sharing... after reading this TS post, for those that get jeolous... think about it... I would say I got inspired instead biggrin.gif
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Just 1 small advise. Not me being insecure, is you being over confident.

Am lucky of being a girl grown up without a single pimple problem, standard figure and a quiet girl who were never proactive in making friends. With that itself, I have gone thru 3 relationships (minimally crossed 1 year anniversary for each of them). There are quite a fair bit of guys approached me, those from the same uni, their seniors, friends of a friend. But my time, there was no social media, and we don't simply go on a date with guy. No offence, and sorry to say that it never crosses my mind that there is a need to do something to let ppl notice or attracted to us. Really don't wish to say so, but just wish to tell you, one doesn't need to tell how great they are to show their confidence. And am lucky that I have no issue, that needed to boost my own confidence.

I dated my hubby for 5years and have been married over a decade. There are up and down, and it take years to understand each other, as both growing up and growing old.. this stages changed a person mindset. What you see now, may not be the same as what he see in future. Relationship is a something unique. Being a spouse, there is a need to continously learn to love him in every different age stage and channel of life.

I have seen attractive smart people married with their same kind of spouse too, with beautiful kids. Just like Princess Diana & Prince Charles. But we at the sweet moment of our own relationship, will not understand what have gone wrong with those divorce couple. We can simply say we can totally control the whole situation ourselves, but when one have not been through those situation, who are they to show such confident?

Just my 2cent. Hope everything is well for you, but you are still too young, there are lot more to learn in terms of understanding relationship and man, moreover keeping a man forever.
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Thanks for your comment/advice.

Firstly, your advice, while holds true for your generation, maybe difficult to apply now in this modern generation when ways of meeting of people and dating have changed. Social media, gadgets, technology etc have changed the way we work, study, date, and many other things. You have no idea how the younger generation find it so tough to secure jobs and get the ideal partners they want, now. & I believe it will be way more challenging in the future, be it during the dating phase or after marriage. At work, it's also the same; more and more challenging.

Secondly, I rather have over-confidence than the lack of it. While I'm "over-confident" ( & I wasn't born with it; I built it up year after year), I'm also strategic in my thinking and action. People like this, are called "assertive" -- having or showing a confident and forceful personality, not being frightened to say what they want or believe.

Thirdly, I might be young physically in age, but I went through a lot and accomplished a lot for my age. Have you heard of anyone who did a pioneering research in Malaysia, at age 24 that have high commercial value? Or, becoming a lecturer at age 25? Or, owning a property at age 23? You haven't come across people like this, and judging them by their age & dismissing their claims as "You're still young, so your opinion is flawed" is a logical fallacy.

Apart from these three points, I agree with the rest you shared. After all, there are things that only time can teach us, in the journey of life.
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QUOTE(Selectt @ Jul 20 2018, 03:59 PM)
exactly. the moment she posted this kinda post she would have known she will paint a target on her back. I see so many emotional minions defending her. laugh.gif

While we "appreciate" her sharing her life experience, we as man certainly do not appreciate her trying to educate female being fake, not genuine, counterfeit, forged, fraudulent, sham, imitation, false, bogus fishing rich guys based on looks only. That's what she preaches on the initial post and the title?

"How to Marry a Rich Man"

What? Seeing how many males reacting to her "advice" is absolutely normal. So to you all little emotional minions, please stop crying. laugh.gif
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Of course I know the reactions that will be triggered the moment I came up with a catchy title like "How to Marry a Rich Man" that garnered 9 pages & 7,500 views in less than 48 hours. I did it on purpose, btw. If you read back my other posts, you would know I like to explore controversial topics with people.

However, obviously, you didn't bother to read my other posts. You didn't get the overall picture/idea of this topic, let alone understand the whole context.

& this sentence, "So to you all little emotional minions, please stop crying. laugh.gif"

Labelling others, being sarcastic and cynical, using long-string of adjectives... it shows that you are unable to carry out a logical argument.

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It is a fallacious argumentative strategy whereby genuine discussion of the topic at hand is avoided by instead attacking the character, motive, or other attribute of the person making the argument, or persons associated with the argument, rather than attacking the substance of the argument itself.

What is a fallacy? The use of invalid or otherwise faulty reasoning, or "wrong moves" in the construction of an argument.



I never expect people to agree with me on controversial topics like this. I don't need people to fully agree with me either. & I want to hear differing opinions too, and that's why I took the time to reply to comments; otherwise, I could have well-spent my time elsewhere.

Readers can always disagree with the author, but please argue with valid points, and understand the whole context before you disprove any claims made.

This is not /k. & I also wrote clearly, in the first post itself, "No trolls pls; it's annoying." = it was meant to be a discussion topic. But obviously, you didn't get that as well.

SIGH.

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Haha thanks thanks that is interesting. Might ask you for more input
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QUOTE(shinjite @ Jul 20 2018, 03:27 PM)
I find your thread very interesting indeed. It is best that I PM you for questions. Cheers  biggrin.gif
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Thanks. Please see it as a relationship strategy, and tweak it accordingly. You may not want to marry a rich man, but a man of some other preferred quality.

I bet guys won't react as "furiously" if the topic is about "How to Marry a Hot & Sexy Chick, and Keep Her Loyal to You". We women won't label them as "yeerr.. you guys are so superficial and hamsap, only look at face and body".


Anyway, for readers out there, feel free to pm me if you have questions/ need advice. I'm getting tired of repeating myself and responding to trolling comments in this thread.

Thanks for reading, and for your time to comment! smile.gif
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QUOTE(Ralna @ Jul 20 2018, 04:31 PM)
Thanks for your comment/advice.

Firstly, your advice, while holds true for your generation, maybe difficult to apply now in this modern generation when ways of meeting of people and dating have changed. Social media, gadgets, technology etc have changed the way we work, study, date, and many other things. You have no idea how the younger generation find it so tough to secure jobs and get the ideal partners they want, now. & I believe it will be way more challenging in the future, be it during the dating phase or after marriage. At work, it's also the same; more and more challenging.

Secondly, I rather have over-confidence than the lack of it. While I'm "over-confident" ( & I wasn't born with it; I built it up year after year), I'm also strategic in my thinking and action. People like this, are called "assertive" -- having or showing a confident and forceful personality, not being frightened to say what they want or believe.

Thirdly, I might be young physically in age, but I went through a lot and accomplished a lot for my age. Have you heard of anyone who did a pioneering research in Malaysia, at age 24 that have high commercial value? Or, becoming a lecturer at age 25? Or, owning a property at age 23? You haven't come across people like this, and judging them by their age & dismissing their claims as "You're still young, so your opinion is flawed" is a logical fallacy.

Apart from these three points, I agree with the rest you shared. After all, there are things that only time can teach us, in the journey of life.
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dont think that is overconfident per se.... i find it more like a certain kind of inferiority complex. see, highly successful people will not spread around to the world that they are successful, let alone in social media/forum that lacks credibility.. this type of blowing up its own trumpet to gain admiration, is more like a self-preservation technique.. which i can understand pyschologically. as mentioned, you had a bad upbringing with dark past, what you are trying to achieve is overcome the emotionally challenge through means of self-admiration and publicity. look, you may be a high achiever, but i rarely see a really successful person indulge in such an extragavant self-praise behaviour. and for that, i really admire you.


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QUOTE(Ralna @ Jul 18 2018, 07:03 PM)
honeymoon (destination wedding) will be in Maldives ← he suggested these countries.
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QUOTE(Ralna @ Jul 20 2018, 04:31 PM)
Thirdly, I might be young physically in age, but I went through a lot and accomplished a lot for my age. Have you heard of anyone who did a pioneering research in Malaysia, at age 24 that have high commercial value? Or, becoming a lecturer at age 25? Or, owning a property at age 23? You haven't come across people like this, and judging them by their age & dismissing their claims as "You're still young, so your opinion is flawed" is a logical fallacy.
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Good that you have your own feel good factor. Anyway, being a lecturer at 25 is not surprising at all, as there are many ppl achieve PHD younger, so it is not surprising if someone started to be a lecturer at mid 20s, if they wanted to be a lecturer.
Owning a property at age 23.. I assume that is pay by cash.. salute you having it pay off, debt free at such a young age. I only manage to get my 2nd house done now. Am ady 40 now. As I am not as ambitious as you. (Apologize to those youngster who are still looking for affordable property, .. you will get yours when time come)

I am not trying to judge you, just very rare case seeing someone highly excited to talk bout her achievement, which actually just .. nevermind, as long as you feel successful, that's matter most to you. It is you who first judge me by saying I feel insecure when started to hit out your post. And now advising you that there are lot more to learn in life, you accuse me judging you by age. By far, I only see humble successful people.. even you read bout those international figures, they are very humble.. but you are just too special. Proud and broadcast til the extend I hardly gel all the stories together. Probably other forumers follow this very well, only me can't gel it up.


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QUOTE(abanga @ Jul 20 2018, 05:18 PM)
dont think that is overconfident per se.... i find it more like a certain kind of inferiority complex. see, highly successful people will not spread around to the world that they are successful, let alone in social media/forum that lacks credibility.. this type of blowing up its own trumpet to gain admiration, is more like a self-preservation technique.. which i can understand pyschologically. as mentioned, you had a bad upbringing with dark past, what you are trying to achieve is overcome the emotionally challenge through means of self-admiration and publicity. look, you may be a high achiever, but i rarely see a really successful person indulge in such an extragavant self-praise behaviour. and for that, i really admire you.
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Recently I learned (the hard way) that, there's a type of person who genuinely believe that they are perfect, that they can do no wrong but happy to jump out at the first instance to point our your mistakes. When someone try to tell this person anything negative about her, she will just argue back that it's not her fault, or when failed, ignore the negative comments and continue to brag about how perfect she is and how overachieved her whole life is. And you will have to suffer through her same achievement over and over again, since the person is only 30 year old yawn.gif

Sounds familiar? cool2.gif

After much observation, I noticed something else, because the negativity was never accepted and digested; it's parked in somewhere in the body and the body will start to react negatively

My personal take, while ego is not bruised with this method. It hurts your body someway or another. As much as I hate failure, I'd rather deal with it than to keep a ticking time bomb in my body

*This person that I'm talking about is not TS. It's a real person I met in real life unfortunately

I think it has nothing to do with whether you are successful or not. It's more of a sense of insecurity or emotional hollowness. A contented person I believe would not act that way, because they would not feel the need to convince anyone that they are worthy

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QUOTE(Ralna @ Jul 20 2018, 04:47 PM)
Of course I know the reactions that will be triggered the moment I came up with a catchy title like "How to Marry a Rich Man" that garnered 9 pages & 7,500 views in less than 48 hours. I did it on purpose, btw. If you read back my other posts, you would know I like to explore controversial topics with people.

However, obviously, you didn't bother to read my other posts. You didn't get the overall picture/idea of this topic, let alone understand the whole context.

& this sentence, "So to you all little emotional minions, please stop crying. laugh.gif"

Labelling others, being sarcastic and cynical, using long-string of adjectives... it shows that you are unable to carry out a logical argument.
I never expect people to agree with me on controversial topics like this. I don't need people to fully agree with me either. & I want to hear differing opinions too, and that's why I took the time to reply to comments; otherwise, I could have well-spent my time elsewhere.

Readers can always disagree with the author, but please argue with valid points, and understand the whole context before you disprove any claims made.

This is not /k. & I also wrote clearly, in the first post itself, "No trolls pls; it's annoying." = it was meant to be a discussion topic. But obviously, you didn't get that as well.

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eh I dont remember quoting you. Why is the emotional post? My post was to your minions defending you.

Did anyone say you are self conceited, cunning and motivated?

Good luck to other female listening to you, rather letting themselves to suck into pie hole.
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QUOTE(Zero Correlation @ Jul 20 2018, 05:43 PM)
Recently I learned (the hard way) that, there's a type of person who genuinely believe that they are perfect, that they can do no wrong but happy to jump out at the first instance to point our your mistakes. When someone try to tell this person anything negative about her, she will just argue back that it's not her fault, or when failed, ignore the negative comments and continue to brag about how perfect she is and how overachieved her whole life is. And you will have to suffer through her same achievement over and over again, since the person is only 30 year old  yawn.gif

Sounds familiar?  cool2.gif

After much observation, I noticed something else, because the negativity was never accepted and digested; it's parked in somewhere in the body and the body will start to react negatively

My personal take, while ego is not bruised with this method. It hurts your body someway or another. As much as I hate failure, I'd rather deal with it than to keep a ticking time bomb in my body

*This person that I'm talking about is not TS. It's a real person I met in real life unfortunately

I think it has nothing to do with whether you are successful or not. It's more of a sense of insecurity or emotional hollowness. A contented person I believe would not act that way, because they would not feel the need to convince anyone that they are worthy
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This thread will brainwash the women to marry rich guy...
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QUOTE(cc980024 @ Jul 20 2018, 05:22 PM)
Good that you have your own feel good factor. Anyway, being a lecturer at 25 is not surprising at all, as there are many ppl achieve PHD younger, so it is not surprising if someone started to be a lecturer at mid 20s, if they wanted to be a lecturer.
Owning a property at age 23.. I assume that is pay by cash.. salute you having it pay off, debt free at such a young age. I only manage to get my 2nd house done now. Am ady 40 now. As I am not as ambitious as you. (Apologize to those youngster who are still looking for affordable property, .. you will get yours when time come)

I am not trying to judge you, just very rare case seeing someone highly excited to talk bout her achievement, which actually just .. nevermind, as long as you feel successful, that's matter most to you. It is you who first judge me by saying I feel insecure when started to hit out your post. And now advising you that there are lot more to learn in life, you accuse me judging you by age. By far, I only see humble successful people.. even you read bout those international figures, they are very humble.. but you are just too special. Proud and broadcast til the extend I hardly gel all the stories together. Probably other forumers follow this very well, only me can't gel it up.
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Again, the same thing repeats:

You guys know what inferiority complex is?

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Read back Post#55:

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2. Some people can be naturally humble, but not me. It's difficult for me to fake it, and I don't believe in false humility that's prevalent in Asian cultures. I'm more to the high-profile type, outspoken and naturally bold. Depends on how you see it, some people admire my confidence/being outspoken while some people see it as conceit/bragging. But one thing holds true: I don't insult people and trample on them to achieve what I want.

Again, please consider the context here: We're in a forum, fully word-based. I need to give background information, lots of info is missing coz we all don't know each other in real life, so we are unable to judge a person based on other cues, e.g. body language and voice tone. In real life, it'll be easier/fairer to judge whether a person is a braggart or not.


Typical Asians upon receiving compliments:
"Eh, your son is so clever in studies hor!"
"No la, actually he's very stupid and lazy one."

"Wah, you are so tall and beautiful!"
"No la, actually still very fat in my tummy."

This is called false humility.

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You can disagree with my personality, it's fine. We all click with diff groups of people.

I revealed some background info & achievements, because: 1) to give contextual info, 2) to prove that I walk the talk, not talking about something impossible, 3) as a form of persuasion to establish credibility. Else, how do you want me to back-up my claims that my suggestions work? Revealing my photos here? CV? Academic transcript?

& When people write autobiographies, publishes, and markets the books, they are self-praising?? ("Wah, why you wrote about yourself oh. Bragging ah? Keep it to yourself lah.")
& if they mention some of their achievements? ("Wah, why need to let people know what you achieved oh, not humble at all. So damn proud xia.")

If my first post is all about bragging, then the post wouldn't be structured this way:

What are the criteria?
How to do it?
What is the outcome?
What do you need to do?

The whole post addressed 5W1H: "Who, When, What, Where, Why" and "How".

Was it solely focused on me? Not at all. If you text-analyse it, 50% of it about what I did & the outcome, whereas the remaining 50% is for the intended audience (women).

You men don't like the topic, it's fine. It's meant for women in the first place.

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To be real honest, I like myself the way I am. If you have the same level of confidence, you can and you will achieve a lot more in life. Whether you choose to express that confidence, it is your choice.



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QUOTE(Ralna @ Jul 20 2018, 07:12 PM)
Again, the same thing repeats:

You guys know what inferiority complex is?

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Read back Post#55:
Typical Asians upon receiving compliments:
"Eh, your son is so clever in studies hor!"
"No la, actually he's very stupid and lazy one."

"Wah, you are so tall and beautiful!"
"No la, actually still very fat in my tummy."

This is called false humility.

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You can disagree with my personality, it's fine. We all click with diff groups of people.

I revealed some background info & achievements, because: 1) to give contextual info, 2) to prove that I walk the talk, not talking about something impossible, 3) as a form of persuasion to establish credibility. Else, how do you want me to back-up my claims that my suggestions work? Revealing my photos here? CV? Academic transcript?

& When people write autobiographies, publishes, and markets the books, they are self-praising?? ("Wah, why you wrote about yourself oh. Bragging ah? Keep it to yourself lah.")
& if they mention some of their achievements? ("Wah, why need to let people know what you achieved oh, not humble at all. So damn proud xia.")

If my first post is all about bragging, then the post wouldn't be structured this way:

What are the criteria?
How to do it?
What is the outcome?
What do you need to do?

The whole post addressed 5W1H: "Who, When, What, Where, Why" and "How".

Was it solely focused on me? Not at all. If you text-analyse it, 50% of it about what I did & the outcome, whereas the remaining 50% is for the intended audience (women).

You men don't like the topic, it's fine. It's meant for women in the first place.

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OK. Further reading for you all:

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To be real honest, I like myself the way I am. If you have the same level of confidence, you can and you will achieve a lot more in life. Whether you choose to express that confidence, it is your choice.
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This might be out of topic, but i would say its good to be confident. But try not to sound conceited or coming from a very high place that you end up being ostracize by your audience.

From what i see, many people that reply your post are capable and intellectual people, they enjoy the verbal jousting and some may have the chops to back it up in real life. However it seemed that you are unable to get their buy-in to support your article / argument. If this were to reflect in a corporate setting, i would say you are a strong individual performer but not yet a leader. Just my opinion, as i don't know you and how you act behind the screen.

Since you are an avid reader, do look up Level 5 Leadership and see if it make sense. Humility and a determination to succeed is a very strong combination if use effectively.
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I previously posted that guys should just congratulate TS and move on as this post is target at women.

However the more TS talks about her achievement in this dating conquest and that is targeted at women and some women being impressed and inspired by her post, I wish to add on some views.

Although TS may have courted or been courted by Rich Men, the men that she courted are very amateurish in the dating game and is not representative of most rich men.

Most rich men will expect that the women that they are courting will sleep with them and most will walk away if they feel that they will not be able to bed the women.

However to TS credit, she claims that she never slept with any of the rich man that was courting her.

Most rich man are not in a hurry to show the women that they are courting or trying to court to their parents.
If the man is so rich, why would in such a hurry to seal the deal before even trying the goods so to speak.

Most rich man may already have a partner waiting for them and is merely dating other people for physical pleasure.

If the rich man was a good catch, he should not be single and available.

A self confident rich man should not want to steal a kiss from a woman. This is so childish for any adult man.

Most rich man will expect the women to sleep with them and most will then dump the said woman and move to the next target.

Of course in this modern age, most people dont bother and are not looking for Virgins but do be aware of such expectations and be prepared to make them if you really want to date a rich man.

Life is not always as rosy as the media or Internet portrays it.

I am not rich but I do not many rich man that would tick all of TS criteria and none of them would do what TS claims the rich man did.

Perhaps TS is really special but to the other girls who think you can do what TS claims, please think again.

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I don't know why you guys are so upset over her statements. It's her right , it's her choice to do whatever she wants. Women do go for rich guys, it's just they are not expressed explicitly like her.

However the fact that since she mentioned that the relationship is transactional, it would imply that Ralna cannot complain and whine about the husband if the husband found someone prettier and better than her in the future. In her own words , if she becomes a liability and no longer in the game , then it is justified for her husband to dump her and she cannot complain about it.

You guys are getting too emotional. Her views actually benefit rich playboys cause now their wives cannot complain if the husbands find someone better and prettier than her.

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QUOTE(cfa28 @ Jul 20 2018, 09:19 PM)
I previously posted that guys should just congratulate TS and move on as this post is target at women.

However the more TS talks about her achievement in this dating conquest and that is targeted at women and some women being impressed and inspired by her post, I wish to add on some views.

Although TS may have courted or been courted by Rich Men, the men that she courted are very amateurish in the dating game and is not representative of most rich men.

Most rich men will expect that the women that they are courting will sleep with them and most will walk away if they feel that they will not be able to bed the women.

However to TS credit, she claims that she never slept with any of the rich man that was courting her.

Most rich man are not in a hurry to show the women that they are courting or trying to court to their parents.
If the man is so  rich, why would in such a hurry to seal the deal before even trying the goods so to speak.

Most rich man may already have a partner waiting for them and is merely dating other people for physical pleasure.

If the rich man was a good catch, he should not be single and available.

A self confident rich man should not want to steal a kiss from a woman. This is so childish for any adult man.

Most rich man will expect the women to sleep with them and most will then dump the said woman and move to the next target.

Of course in this modern age, most people dont bother and are not looking for Virgins but do be aware of such expectations and be prepared to make them if you really want to date a rich man.

Life is not always as rosy as the media or Internet portrays it.

I am not rich but I do not many rich man that would tick all of TS criteria and none of them would do what TS claims the rich man did.

Perhaps TS is really special but to the other girls who think you can do what TS claims,  please think again.
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QUOTE(Ralna @ Jul 20 2018, 04:31 PM)
Thanks for your comment/advice.

Firstly, your advice, while holds true for your generation, maybe difficult to apply now in this modern generation when ways of meeting of people and dating have changed. Social media, gadgets, technology etc have changed the way we work, study, date, and many other things. You have no idea how the younger generation find it so tough to secure jobs and get the ideal partners they want, now. & I believe it will be way more challenging in the future, be it during the dating phase or after marriage. At work, it's also the same; more and more challenging.

Secondly, I rather have over-confidence than the lack of it. While I'm "over-confident" ( & I wasn't born with it; I built it up year after year), I'm also strategic in my thinking and action. People like this, are called "assertive" -- having or showing a confident and forceful personality, not being frightened to say what they want or believe.

Thirdly, I might be young physically in age, but I went through a lot and accomplished a lot for my age. Have you heard of anyone who did a pioneering research in Malaysia, at age 24 that have high commercial value? Or, becoming a lecturer at age 25? Or, owning a property at age 23? You haven't come across people like this, and judging them by their age & dismissing their claims as "You're still young, so your opinion is flawed" is a logical fallacy.

Apart from these three points, I agree with the rest you shared. After all, there are things that only time can teach us, in the journey of life.
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The more i read about what you wrote, the more geram i feel.. LOL not sure if i am the only one. First, pardon me if it sounds bit offensive to you, but I really need to smack some reality into you as you are way too delusional about ownself.

1st. Owning a property at age of 23 is OK (assuming with financial assistance, eg. Loan). Owning a property at age of 23 debt free is another level of achievement.

2nd. Conducting the so-called pioneering research (description bit vague though) that has high commercial value in Malaysia is decent. Conducting a pioneering research resulting in hundreds thousands of revenue with patent protection, companies after companies jostling after that piece of lion's share of yours, is another level of achievement.

3rd. being a lecturer at age of 25 at a local college with a master degree, is OK at best (I don't see anyone bragging on becoming an engineer at age of 23??). Being a full fledge professor at age 30 with a PhD at a university is another level of achievement.

Not trying to downplay your achievements, but just knock some sense into you that, your definition of being successful is bit tad off. Maybe wait for another 10 years, and then we talk about your success (if there is any).

and for god sake, why are you so free ?? you have been lowyat-ing non stop (?) since yesterday morning !?

edit: like seriously, where did you get that sort of confidence ??? not pun intended, if only I had that small fraction of urs...my life would be wonderful

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QUOTE(ChAOoz @ Jul 20 2018, 08:40 PM)
This might be out of topic, but i would say its good to be confident. But try not to sound conceited or coming from a very high place that you end up being ostracize by your audience.

From what i see, many people that reply your post are capable and intellectual people, they enjoy the verbal jousting and some may have the chops to back it up in real life. However it seemed that you are unable to get their buy-in to support your article / argument. If this were to reflect in a corporate setting, i would say you are a strong individual performer but not yet a leader. Just my opinion, as i don't know you and how you act behind the screen.

Since you are an avid reader, do look up Level 5 Leadership and see if it make sense. Humility and a determination to succeed is a very strong combination if use effectively.
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Thanks for the feedback. It's objective and non-personal. As I said, this is a controversial topic, so it's up to readers to agree/disagree. I appreciate good arguments, but not personal attacks or trolling (indicated in the first thread), coz it will sidetrack the whole purpose of this thread, which is to discuss views on the topic.

As for leadership, I don't really enjoy leading teams although I can do it. My preference is to be the 2nd in command. I'm strong in planning and execution, but I don't like managing people matters. Hence, I decided to exit employment (not interested to climb the corporate ladder) and start up on my own. When I have my own team one day, only then leadership skills will come into play. Btw, I did look up the Level 5 Leadership. Thanks for recommending. smile.gif
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QUOTE(Drian @ Jul 20 2018, 09:31 PM)
I don't know why you guys are so upset over her statements. It's her right , it's her choice to do whatever she wants. Women do go for rich guys, it's just they are not expressed explicitly like her.

However the fact that since she mentioned that the relationship is transactional, it would imply that Ralna cannot complain and whine about the husband if the husband found someone prettier and better than her in the future. In her own words , if she becomes a liability and no longer in the game , then it is justified for her husband to dump her and she cannot complain about it.

You guys are getting too emotional. Her views actually benefit rich playboys cause now their wives cannot complain if the husbands find someone better and prettier than her.
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You nailed it, in both statements. thumbsup.gif

I shared in another thread before, betrayal and cheating in a relationship are just symptoms, the root cause lies elsewhere. If he ever does leave or betray me, I accept it.

Coz the truth is, when a man wanna cheat, there's no way you can stop him. & when a man wanna be loyal, he will be despite whatever temptation. Men can be flirting and playful, but they can also be fiercely loyal and dutiful. There are always two sides of the same coin.
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QUOTE(justified @ Jul 20 2018, 09:40 PM)
The more i read about what you wrote, the more geram i feel.. LOL not sure if i am the only one. First, pardon me if it sounds bit offensive to you, but I really need to smack some reality into you as you are way too delusional about ownself.
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Not trying to downplay your achievements, but just knock some sense into you that, your definition of being successful is bit tad off.  Maybe wait for another 10 years, and then we talk about your success (if there is any).

and for god sake, why are you so free ?? you have been lowyat-ing non stop (?) since yesterday morning !?

edit: like seriously, where did you get that sort of confidence ??? not pun intended, if only I had that small fraction of urs...my life would be wonderful
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I know. I never said I am the best, because there will always be someone else who is even better. If you can read Mandarin, 人外有人,天外有天. If you read again what I wrote in context, I wrote it because I really dislike it when people judge others based on their age ("You are so young"). I think many young talents in Malaysia, or rather young employees, are often dismissed as "young = inexperienced" when they enter the workforce or society. While it might be somewhat true, it is a form of discrimination as well.

Anyway, as I wrote in the first post, I am now working to "upgrade myself to tip-top condition". In Post#17 & re-quoted in Post#63, written: "Just last night, I was sleepless, as I was planning my life up to age 40. I have many goals to achieve in life, so I plan from year 2018 to 2027 (10 years)."

So, at least I have long-term plans there. FYI, it's not the first time I planned like this. My first planning was for age 20-26, when I first entered uni, and the 7-year plan worked accordingly.

How will I turn out 10 years later? I won't know. In fact, many people can't say for sure how they will become 10 years later. My suggestion is: Although life is unpredictable, we can always do our best to plan it ahead, and aim for things to happen. Don't leave it to chance. Don't just live one day at a time if you want a fruitful life.

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Why am I so free? coz I'm bored at home if I'm not working on my dissertation or biz-related stuffs. Honestly, I enjoy interacting with people, be it online and offline. If you know me in real life, I am warm and friendly, highly energised and passionate about life. Again, not bluffing, just describing. If we do happen to become friends one day, you can easily verify whether this is true or not.

It's just that when facing personal attacks, I tend to be on guard. FYI, I faced death before, at knife-point. I was also beaten up too, till I was bruised all over. It happened last year. I admit I still haven't got over it. Till today, in real life, whenever I sense an possible physical attack, my reflex system will immediately respond. I can also easily catch things before they fall from the table, such as cups and glass.

It's in my reflex to be defensive, currently, but I did try my best not to use any foul language or insult/humiliate people (online). I admit, I'm very sharp and good at piercing people with words (my fiance said that too), but that is if I sense any personal attacks with malicious intent (you can see me as a porcupine). So, if you peacefully talk things out (without being sarcastic or derogatory), I will respond nicely too. Just like now, I acknowledge some lack of achievements in my 20s, as you have pointed it out.

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Feel kinda sad for myself sometimes. I wish I didn't have to experience all those traumas, but they happened coz of circumstances which I had no control over. I was once young and naive, and was always bullied in school too, so when I grew up, I learnt to be defensive. I can easily be triggered and become aggressive, and sometimes physically violent. I still haven't got over the traumatic experience that just happened last year. My fiance has been trying to help me heal. It was much worse before; I woke up in fright coz of nightmares, gasping in horror. He had to calm me down, and comfort me to sleep again. If you guys had never been through this, you are so blessed and fortunate. I admire/envy people with normal life, actually.

Growing up in such hostile background, it was also extremely difficult to build up confidence. I could have easily adopted the victim mindset, and continued to live in poverty and misery, but I didn't.

How did I build up confidence? My advice is, when you know where your strengths lie in, use it to your advantage in the right environment. Confidence doesn't come from just emotional and mental strengths; physically, you have to be in tip-top condition too. & strengths do take time to build up. In my case, it took a few years.

I have many things I can share about building self-confidence, such as, no matter how people try to backstab or downplay you (in real life or at workplace), you can still sail smoothly. FYI, I've never been scolded by any boss (they all treat me with respect and consider my opinions), and even if I get backstabbed by malicious colleagues, I can strike back easily and get my boss to side me. Again, not boasting here, alright? Just sharing my experience coz you asked me how I did it.

See it this way: As a human, you need to guard your heart against threats and wounds, such as being scolded, lied to, betrayed, bullied etc. Many people learn to build fortress, but sometimes, the fortress isn't as strong, so it gets crumbled easily. Sometimes, the fortress they built are too strong that they become heartless, coz they forgot to leave a door to open for non-enemy. Sometimes, the fortress they built aren't equipped with weapons and missiles, so when enemies attack, they don't know how to fight back.

In real life, I have many friends who know how to guard themselves, but they are conflict-adverse and avoid getting into arguments, even when being wrongly blamed by boss or bullied by colleagues. When I ask them why, they say they are afraid to offend people, so they rather swallow the bitter pill until they burst like a volcano one day, or they resign. In fact, this is very common.


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sorry to hear about the horrible things u gotta go through. i think i rest my case for now and best of luck to u
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Continuing the above long reply to @justified, for all readers as well:

If you are confident and assertive, you will not experience such fear and pent up frustration (窝囊气) at work and in life.

The same goes for relationship. When you are confident and assertive, you won't be treated like a doormat or being toyed around. I think most men here had the experience of being exploited by gold-digging women, or been in toxic relationships, or got dumped by women who prefer to date men who are better off than them; hence, the strong reaction towards this topic.

& as cfa28 puts it in post #173, stating "Most rich men will expect that the women that they are courting will sleep with them and most will walk away if they feel that they will not be able to bed the women." & "Most rich man will expect the women to sleep with them and most will then dump the said woman and move to the next target."

Her statements are true.

How did I avoid ending up this way (becoming their playtoy), I have my own strategy. The thread I started actually has many hidden strategies, apart from the obvious one ("How to Marry a Rich Man"); even the title itself was designed to grab attention and spark interest (successful marketing of forum topic? brows.gif ).

If readers can just put aside their first reaction (straightaway labeling me as a gold-digger), and think deeply and hard, they will realise this thread makes them...

1) re-think and question the definition of wealth, and consider views from different forumers, and redefine what wealth means to them (How rich is rich? There's no definite answer actually)
2) why wealth is so important... to women, and to men (虽然钱不是万能, 但没钱万万不能)
3) how to work to get what you want, in relationship and in life
4) plus others, as the thread develops, and other concepts

And hopefully, this thread will motivate men to work harder, not just for women, but for themselves too. I'm just making it clear and explicit here to men what most women want: financial security. In ancient times, it's called abundant resources.

Think about this: Don't you men want financial security/ more resources as well?

Men themselves benefit the most when they make more money, right? Men get to give money to their parents, to their children, to their wife/gf, and use money to help more people and NGOs too, or buy their favourite gadgets and fund their hobbies, woo and impress their women, travel around the world, plus many others.

If what you earn is only enough to sustain yourself, break past that barrier to achieve your max potential (applies to both men & women), and use the new resources to achieve what you dream of in life. How to break past that barrier? That's another topic worth discussing, but not in Cupid Corner.

& for women, if they really wanna date a rich man (which is not wrong, ok?), they need to look at what they have first (be eligible to expect/demand), and please, try not to sleep around, or sign up to be sugarbabies (→ social issue here). That is not the best way to do it. Hence, I share my own strategy; women can either take it or leave it. Of course, there are other relationship strategies, written by other authors, but in non-Malaysian context.

Whatever it is, just be careful for what you wish for in life. There is a price to pay for everything. How heavy the price you have to pay, is another story. smile.gif


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QUOTE(justified @ Jul 21 2018, 12:01 AM)
sorry to hear about the horrible things u gotta go through. i think i rest my case for now and best  of luck to u
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Thanks for the comforting words. It's okay. Can't change the past, but can move on, and avoid something similar from happening again.

Wish you the best in life too! Take care.
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QUOTE(Ralna @ Jul 20 2018, 07:12 PM)
Again, the same thing repeats:

You guys know what inferiority complex is?

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IMO and assessment of anyone doing what you are doing(not ad-hominem), you checked #2, #3, #5, #9.

#7, #10 are more like you try to deter people for criticizing you.

E.g. A robber robbed a bank and brags about his loot. And when his peer criticizes him; he pulls #7 and #10.
Totally oblivious or purposely ignore the fact that robbing the bank is wrong and quickly assume that his peers are sour grapes and jealous of him.

P.S. I believe what you are doing here is more like, "if a robber did his research well, put in effort, robbed a bank and the enforcement not able to pin him; he deserves the loots". Technically, he can't be jailed even if he really robbed the bank.

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Typical Asians upon receiving compliments:
"Eh, your son is so clever in studies hor!"
"No la, actually he's very stupid and lazy one."

"Wah, you are so tall and beautiful!"
"No la, actually still very fat in my tummy."

This is called false humility.

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How about false confidence?

How do you tell if someone is exuding false confidence.


QUOTE(Ralna @ Jul 20 2018, 07:12 PM)
You can disagree with my personality, it's fine. We all click with diff groups of people.

I revealed some background info & achievements, because: 1) to give contextual info, 2) to prove that I walk the talk, not talking about something impossible, 3) as a form of persuasion to establish credibility. Else, how do you want me to back-up my claims that my suggestions work? Revealing my photos here? CV? Academic transcript?

& When people write autobiographies, publishes, and markets the books, they are self-praising?? ("Wah, why you wrote about yourself oh. Bragging ah? Keep it to yourself lah.")
& if they mention some of their achievements? ("Wah, why need to let people know what you achieved oh, not humble at all. So damn proud xia.")

If my first post is all about bragging, then the post wouldn't be structured this way:

What are the criteria?
How to do it?
What is the outcome?
What do you need to do?

The whole post addressed 5W1H: "Who, When, What, Where, Why" and "How".

Was it solely focused on me? Not at all. If you text-analyse it, 50% of it about what I did & the outcome, whereas the remaining 50% is for the intended audience (women).

You men don't like the topic, it's fine. It's meant for women in the first place.

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Refer to my robber story.

1) Those biographies focused on what "Who, When, What, Where, Why" and "How" to bring value to market place and in return for the value they brought, they are rewarded with the wealth.

and they are not the same as

2) "Who, When, What, Where, Why" and "How" to deceive the market place that a person has brought value in.

And why does 9 pages and 7500 views?

3) 9 pages of comments are mostly pointing out that, it makes no sense. No sense at all for a RICH person to go such elaborated extend to CON another rich man.

it's because.

4) A rich person wouldn't give a damm who he/she marries as long as the other fella makes him/her happy. You may ask those women who are actually successful where the husband actually earn less. And totally aghast ed with people who rationalize with "who wants the daughter to marry a poor man". A person can be poor in financially; but they should not be poor in character and attitude.

Think about it logically, If a person can get his/her shit straight, why would he/she specifically targets certain people with certain traits/attributes?
Answer is obvious. He/she can't get his/her shit straight.


QUOTE(Ralna @ Jul 20 2018, 07:12 PM)
OK. Further reading for you all:

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To be real honest, I like myself the way I am. If you have the same level of confidence, you can and you will achieve a lot more in life. Whether you choose to express that confidence, it is your choice.
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Read up on Barbara Corcoran. She is inspiring.

She thrived in male dominated industry. All by herself.

A when she reads about real estate magazines, i'm pretty sure she didn't do that so that some "rich" dudes will find her attractive and buys her a Maldives vacation. If she read this thread, she probably puke.gif puke.gif .

P.S. This is the part that I feel that i'm actually a feminist, fighting against people (for some weird reason, majority women) that insults and demean women.

QUOTE(Drian @ Jul 20 2018, 09:31 PM)
I don't know why you guys are so upset over her statements. It's her right , it's her choice to do whatever she wants. Women do go for rich guys, it's just they are not expressed explicitly like her.

However the fact that since she mentioned that the relationship is transactional, it would imply that Ralna cannot complain and whine about the husband if the husband found someone prettier and better than her in the future. In her own words , if she becomes a liability and no longer in the game , then it is justified for her husband to dump her and she cannot complain about it.

You guys are getting too emotional. Her views actually benefit rich playboys cause now their wives cannot complain if the husbands find someone better and prettier than her.
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That's like some men pulling the pump and dump move. It's transactional. It doesn't change the fact, it's disrespectful and demeaning.

But the question is, should it be encouraged?

Should we condone that "Robbing the bank is OK as long as you don't get caught and actually writes a manual about it".

I'm pretty sure Ralna's comment would be "Who knows it would be best-seller". sweat.gif sweat.gif sweat.gif

Wait, you are right.
We should look forward to "A Guide to Most Cost Effective Way for Hot Chick to Spread". It's 1001 pages thick.
If there are more Ralna's and her minions, the book will be 1000 empty pages...

and at page 1001 says:

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How profound and easy is that? laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif
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Hi Ralna,

Since you claim to be highly ambitious, i doubt that you are actually satisfied with what you have achieved so far on your own.

Since you claim to be intelligent, i presume that you know that the quickest and easiest ways to get rich are, by luck(lottery etc.), inheritance or marrying someone rich. I don't think luck or inheritance applies in your case. Do you think, whether consiously or subconsciously, the last option was part of your strategy to becoming rich?
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QUOTE(Ralna @ Jul 21 2018, 12:14 AM)
Thanks for the comforting words. It's okay. Can't change the past, but can move on, and avoid something similar from happening again.

Wish you the best in life too! Take care.
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Well written main post by the way Ralna.

Now I am curious about your looks and IG, social media, lifestyle.

Mind to share it publicly or PM ;
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Very interesting things that you have shared here Ralna,

I haven't been on lowyat for a very long time liao to share, conversational stuffs haha!

Would give some thoughts onto this.

I am considered very young for someone that is running multiple businesses that are in the high vicinity of 8 figure revenues per year. However my current wife is someone I met in college when I was still that silly little student just a few years back.

The thing about running a business, especially when I had to grow everything from scratch (sorry, langsung totally no inheritance from my family at all), to be frank, multiple ones at that, is the pile of shit that we go through everyday. And that is something I sincerely will not want my wife to face at all LOL.

Therefore my 2 cents on having a strong woman that can be considered an asset to support our money earning activities will not really be my choice and desire for her. Some of my partners also would totally not want their spouses to be involved in their business that much, because working directly together would bring certain kinds of complications in a long run like fights and politically involved office nonsense.

However so, I still highly push her to reach greater heights in her career, therefore the intellect part is still highly plausible in that regards =D

Good to know you managed to put so much effort to sustain your overall well being, knowledge and looks! I would dare say that I myself (who falls within your definition of rich men) would be highly interested in meeting people like you haha! But definitely I believe not only (rich men), but highly intellectual females too =)

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QUOTE(weehoi @ Jul 21 2018, 01:52 AM)
Well written main post by the way Ralna.

Now I am curious about your looks and IG, social media, lifestyle.

Mind to share it publicly or PM ;
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Hahaha asking the real questions here LOL !
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QUOTE(RUI @ Jul 21 2018, 01:09 AM)
IMO and assessment of anyone doing what you are doing(not ad-hominem), you checked #2, #3, #5, #9.
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Addressing those highlighted by @RUI, as above:

#2. Need constant validation
Are you always asking other people’s opinion about things you’ve done? Or if you have done something, do you then need to be complimented about it?

I thought you guys think I’m “overly confident” that I can self-validate/ self-praise? & was I asking for opinion on “Hey, guys, did you think I do it right?”

#3. Being Ultra Sensitive
When you feel inferior, any small critical comment can often send you into a spiral of depression and self-hate for days. Any slight sign of rejection or exclusion will make you feel totally miserable.

Oh wow, I didn’t know I was in depression or self-hate for days because of what people wrote here. I thought you guys think I felt so damn good about myself.

#5. You cannot take constructive criticism
We all need to hear certain things in order for us to be better in our lives, but if the tiniest bit of critique leaves you desperate and low for weeks, then this is definitely a sign things aren’t right.

So I was desperate and low for weeks? Do I sound like it?

#9. Always Comparing Yourself To Another Person’s #1 Winning Quality
Comparison causes the feeling of inferiority or superiority. That’s obvious. Now let’s look at the problem closer:

Why is everybody always better than you? It’s because you focus on their one BEST quality and then compare yourself to that.

"Why is everybody always better than you??" I thought you guys thought that I think myself am better than everyone else.


As for #7, #10 are more like you try to deter people for criticizing you.
“Siapa yang Makan Cili , Dia Yang Terasa Pedas”


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Following your logic,

So my writing about how to marry a rich man = how to rob a rich man?

Does it make sense?

Well, I don't deny some women might use my strategy to their own selfish advantage, but consider this:

If you men are so afraid of “being robbed” by women, go learn some self-defence. Else, hire a body guard or equip yourself with a gun or machete, then shoot and chop any woman who wanna rob you, crush and smash her to pieces, dismember her into 8 parts, and throw her into the sea to feed the sharks. There you go, you have your sweet revenge. Such a fantastic feeling! (Muahahaha~)

Otherwise, don’t get rich, coz gold diggers will come. Beware guys, they are always around, lurking in the dark and waiting to prey on gullible men...so men must not get rich. Never ever. Men must dress up poorly, use cheap cheap stuffs, cannot drive expensive cars, cannot bring women to high-end restaurants, or appear in atas places...cannot show any signs of wealth, otherwise will get robbed. Scary, you know?

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Ah well, I didn’t know I was “robbing” my fiancé and “digging his gold”. Maybe I should dig more than SGD 3-digit every month. Maybe I should tell him I'm a "professional gold digger", and that I approached him with "strategy to lure and bait him", so that I could "suck all his money out of him", and "dump him after that" for an even richer man. brows.gif

He's a LYN member, btw. He'll definitely find my thread interesting, and say, "Haih, you ah, being naughty again." laugh.gif

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QUOTE(Ralna @ Jul 21 2018, 12:07 AM)
Continuing the above long reply to @justified, for all readers as well:

If you are confident and assertive, you will not experience such fear and pent up frustration (窝囊气) at work and in life.

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A true confidence requires NO external validation. It's not the same as it requires not validation. I'm saying result speaks for itself.

"Self-affirmation without discipline is the beginning of delusion", I find this very meaningful. And discipline definitely comes before confidence and assertiveness.

QUOTE(Ralna @ Jul 21 2018, 12:07 AM)
The same goes for relationship. When you are confident and assertive, you won't be treated like a doormat or being toyed around. I think most men here had the experience of being exploited by gold-digging women, or been in toxic relationships, or got dumped by women who prefer to date men who are better off than them; hence, the strong reaction towards this topic.

& as cfa28 puts it in post #173, stating "Most rich men will expect that the women that they are courting will sleep with them and most will walk away if they feel that they will not be able to bed the women." & "Most rich man will expect the women to sleep with them and most will then dump the said woman and move to the next target."

Her statements are true.
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Wow, that's insulting to majority of really rich men who don't do that.

I think at least top 30 in fortunate 100 don't. But too bad Kobe Bryant does, Tiger Woods too. World ain't perfect.

I'm pretty sure that's what cfa28 thinks how rich men think. Yeah right. Great source of reference.

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(虽然钱不是万能, 但没钱万万不能)


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No. It's not money that keeps people poor. It's IGNORANCE!

And that's how ignorant that statement is. Human civilization has thrived and created abundance way before concept of "MONEY" existed is the evidence how UNTRUE that statement is. Human has thrived because of our ability to use our brain and hones our skills to create value, to create abundance(Unfortunately, not all have such ability, and such ability varies to different degree).

I strongly suggest reader to NOT take that advice. It sounds true but it's not. If you believe that's true then you will check the three symptoms(#6, #7, #8) of the author's reference to inferiority complex.

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6. Blaming the Universe
Any failure on part of such persons is directly blamed on external factors such as poor luck, bad company, or just their environment in general. They are never able to accept that the failure may have occurred due to a mistake on their part. The whole universe is responsible for their misery and their failure.

7. Sour Grapes
One of the most prominent symptom is the 'sour grapes' attitude. For instance, they may not have been able to perform a certain task at work properly, and if a colleague did it successfully, they would attribute the success to external factors such as help from someone else, or just plain luck.

8. You procrastinate often
Is it hard for you to start projects or tasks? Do you often put off what you can do tomorrow then tomorrow comes and you still cannot find a way to motivate yourself?


I like have said before, money is a marker to the value we have created. The focus shouldn't be money but improving ourself, educate ourself, thinking critically, articulate accurately, hones our skill and bring more value to the society. Technically, being manipulative, deceitful are skills too. And unfortunately, you are innocent will proven guilty applies. That is the loop hole the author is exploiting. And author did acknowledge that if your crimes catches up to you, YOU WILL PAY THE PRICE FOR THINGS THAT YOU DON'T DESERVE. Read the below comments.

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I don't know why you guys are so upset over her statements. It's her right , it's her choice to do whatever she wants. Women do go for rich guys, it's just they are not expressed explicitly like her.

However the fact that since she mentioned that the relationship is transactional, it would imply that Ralna cannot complain and whine about the husband if the husband found someone prettier and better than her in the future. In her own words , if she becomes a liability and no longer in the game , then it is justified for her husband to dump her and she cannot complain about it.

You guys are getting too emotional. Her views actually benefit rich playboys cause now their wives cannot complain if the husbands find someone better and prettier than her.

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You nailed it, in both statements.  thumbsup.gif


QUOTE(Ralna @ Jul 21 2018, 12:07 AM)
& for women, if they really wanna date a rich man (which is not wrong, ok?), they need to look at what they have first (be eligible to expect/demand), and please, try not to sleep around, or sign up to be sugarbabies (→ social issue here). That is not the best way to do it. Hence, I share my own strategy; women can either take it or leave it. Of course, there are other relationship strategies, written by other authors, but in non-Malaysian context.

Whatever it is, just be careful for what you wish for in life. There is a price to pay for everything. How heavy the price you have to pay, is another story.  smile.gif
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I spend sometime and actually think why i'm so worked up.

I think the reason is I believe in Cinderella story. And this author intends not to create more Cinderella but Cinderella's step sisters in real life. In the story, Cinderalla married the Prince and lived happy ever after. But in this case, the step sister found a way to cheat and she is marrying the prince. And shamelessly coming up with a guide how to do that.

Eh! if there are more girls turning into the step sisters with this cheat code, where am I gonna find my Cinderella? laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif

P.S. This one is just for the laugh. rclxs0.gif
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QUOTE(titanmelvin @ Jul 21 2018, 01:42 AM)
Hi Ralna,

Since you claim to be highly ambitious, i doubt that you are actually satisfied with what you have achieved so far on your own.

Since you claim to be intelligent, i presume that you know that the quickest and easiest ways to get rich are, by luck(lottery etc.), inheritance or marrying someone rich. I don't think luck or inheritance applies in your case. Do you think, whether consiously or subconsciously, the last option was part of your strategy to becoming rich?
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Yes, I also doubt I would ever be satisfied with what I have achieved so far on my own. If born into more privileged family with the best nurturing, perhaps, I could go even further in life, or maybe not, coz I'd end up being a spoilt brat. We won't know. hmm.gif


I think I repeated that many times before, whether I actually aim to marry someone rich. See this reply, again, quoting Post#11 & Post#20:
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To be more specific, I want to marry a man who has winner mindset. See Point 5, first post:

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The truly rich man is one who can lose everything, smile and start all over again, and earn the same pot of gold in a decade or two. Now that is what I call true wealth. thumbsup.gif


Such a man has my highest and utmost respect. I adore such men to the core. I worship them, read their biographies, like them on FB, follow their news, and subscribe to their LinkedIn too.

If I had met such a man, who was at his lowest point in life, I would have been the woman who earned that pot of gold with him. I was poor before, but I managed to rise up from poverty and misery. My emotional strength in times of his lowest point of life, will also be his emotional strength. I want to be that woman.

Isn't that what marriage vow is for? "For better, for worse, for richer, for poorer, in sickness and in health, to love and to cherish, till death do us part"

I have not said this vow to my fiance in public, but we said it to each other, already. wub.gif
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QUOTE(weehoi @ Jul 21 2018, 01:52 AM)
Well written main post by the way Ralna.

Now I am curious about your looks and IG, social media, lifestyle.

Mind to share it publicly or PM ;
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QUOTE(Jaroque @ Jul 21 2018, 02:03 AM)
Hahaha asking the real questions here LOL !
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I bet many here are curious too, not just you two. LOL.

I'm not worried about leaking my ID, but then, you know la, this is Internet, all sorts of people online here. You wanna know my ID? Can, but PM me first, and we continue from there. smile.gif
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QUOTE(Jaroque @ Jul 21 2018, 02:02 AM)
Very interesting things that you have shared here Ralna,

I haven't been on lowyat for a very long time liao to share, conversational stuffs haha!

Would give some thoughts onto this.

I am considered very young for someone that is running multiple businesses that are in the high vicinity of 8 figure revenues per year. However my current wife is someone I met in college when I was still that silly little student just a few years back.

The thing about running a business, especially when I had to grow everything from scratch (sorry, langsung totally no inheritance from my family at all), to be frank, multiple ones at that, is the pile of shit that we go through everyday. And that is something I sincerely will not want my wife to face at all LOL.

Therefore my 2 cents on having a strong woman that can be considered an asset to support our money earning activities will not really be my choice and desire for her. Some of my partners also would totally not want their spouses to be involved in their business that much, because working directly together would bring certain kinds of complications in a long run like fights and politically involved office nonsense.

However so, I still highly push her to reach greater heights in her career, therefore the intellect part is still highly plausible in that regards =D

Good to know you managed to put so much effort to sustain your overall well being, knowledge and looks! I would dare say that I myself (who falls within your definition of rich men) would be highly interested in meeting people like you haha! But definitely I believe not only (rich men), but highly intellectual females too =)
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Yeah, actually my fiance also said the same. No need to work so hard, coz he'll take care of me. I just need to be happy, be in good health, love him, and let him take care of the rest. Must not worry about anything, and must tell him everything that troubles me. He'll handle them. That's why he's okay with me quitting my job and providing me with pocket money, till I'm ready to earn on my own again.

I'm interested in meeting you too! You seem fun and outgoing. OK, I pm you. wink.gif
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QUOTE(Ralna @ Jul 21 2018, 02:20 AM)
Yes, I also doubt I would ever be satisfied with what I have achieved so far on my own. If born into more privileged family with the best nurturing, perhaps, I could go even further in life, or maybe not, coz I'd end up being a spoilt brat. We won't know.  hmm.gif
I think I repeated that many times before, whether I actually aim to marry someone rich. See this reply, again, quoting Post#11 & Post#20:
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To be more specific, I want to marry a man who has winner mindset. See Point 5, first post:
Such a man has my highest and utmost respect. I adore such men to the core. I worship them, read their biographies, like them on FB, follow their news, and subscribe to their LinkedIn too.

If I had met such a man, who was at his lowest point in life, I would have been the woman who earned that pot of gold with him. I was poor before, but I managed to rise up from poverty and misery. My emotional strength in times of his lowest point of life, will also be his emotional strength. I want to be that woman.

Isn't that what marriage vow is for? "For better, for worse, for richer, for poorer, in sickness and in health, to love and to cherish, till death do us part"

I have not said this vow to my fiance in public, but we said it to each other, already.  wub.gif
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You gave a different answer in your previous reply, in which you said that you will only marry someone who is rich, or will get rich in the future. I'm sure you can understand that potential, hard work, intelligence does not guarantee that someone will definitely become rich. I highly doubt that you would have feelings or stick around with someone who is at his lowest point, as you would simply filter him out.

Since your current post states a different answer and gives a different impression, you have my respects if that is what you really think and will do. Thank you for your replies.

QUOTE(Ralna @ Jul 19 2018, 07:32 PM)
I'll make sure he has the potential to get rich before I marry him, otherwise it's a no.

Why? Think this way:

If you have a daughter, and she wanna marry a poor man, would you agree? Most likely not.
Even if you agree, you wanna find out whether, in the future, your daughter will suffer or not if she's married to him. Otherwise, don't bother to get married. Choose another man.

If you have a daughter, and she's a high-flyer from young, always the top in studies and in career, would you want her to marry an average male?
Or, would you prefer her to be married to someone equally ambitious and successful?

Often, males who are ambitious and successful, are rich. It'd be an irony if he's not, unless he donates his wealth away, or just got bankrupt or got conned.
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You gave a different answer in your previous reply.
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QUOTE(Ralna @ Jul 21 2018, 02:05 AM)
Addressing those highlighted by @RUI, as above:

#2. Need constant validation
Are you always asking other people’s opinion about things you’ve done? Or if you have done something, do you then need to be complimented about it?

I thought you guys think I’m “overly confident” that I can self-validate/ self-praise? & was I asking for opinion on “Hey, guys, did you think I do it right?”

#3. Being Ultra Sensitive
When you feel inferior, any small critical comment can often send you into a spiral of depression and self-hate for days. Any slight sign of rejection or exclusion will make you feel totally miserable.

Oh wow, I didn’t know I was in depression or self-hate for days because of what people wrote here. I thought you guys think I felt so damn good about myself.

#5. You cannot take constructive criticism
We all need to hear certain things in order for us to be better in our lives, but if the tiniest bit of critique leaves you desperate and low for weeks, then this is definitely a sign things aren’t right.

So I was desperate and low for weeks? Do I sound like it?

#9. Always Comparing Yourself To Another Person’s #1 Winning Quality
Comparison causes the feeling of inferiority or superiority. That’s obvious. Now let’s look at the problem closer:

Why is everybody always better than you? It’s because you focus on their one BEST quality and then compare yourself to that.

"Why is everybody always better than you??" I thought you guys thought that I think myself am better than everyone else.
As for #7, #10 are more like you try to deter people for criticizing you.
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I think the most accurate way of debunking all your "statement" is...None of them can be verified.

With this simple fact, anyone with common sense will not use "claim" as reference in virtual world. But what you can do, is use reason.

It's make your stories gel up, intelligent and not coming off like a grandiose. Not very smart people are easily confused.

Let me give and example on how to do that. LEARN!

"I think the trick to girls cumming more is to hit the G-Spot. It requires abit of length and girth. That's my personal experience. What you guys think?".

Highly intelligent one will figure out that what i'm trying to say is I got a foot and pretty fat one too. But the focus of my statement is "hit the G-Spot".
And it comes with a hint of humility of seeking advice from others.

Yours are more like total grandiose, not much focus, IMO, mostly ignorant. Definitely, ignorant about the implication of what you are preaching here. I hope my Cinderella story gives you hint.




QUOTE(Ralna @ Jul 21 2018, 02:05 AM)

Following your logic,

So my writing about how to marry a rich man = how to rob a rich man?

Does it make sense?

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I have encountered people that said, "I refuse to accept this payment if you find my service sub-standard. I appreciate if you would extend the deadline further for me to deliver a service to your satisfaction". That's integrity, that's honesty, that's pride. These are stories worth sharing.

You see, the focus is high quality service. Money is secondary. I personally operate at that standard. But it's up to you to believe.

What's your focus? Money is the primary focus. And here's how to cheat and it's okay to cheat(I'm not making that up! If readers read carefully, they can easily spot it). ! That's whole blardy essay about! And reject every argument why that's WRONG.


QUOTE(Ralna @ Jul 21 2018, 02:05 AM)
Well, I don't deny some women might use my strategy to their own selfish advantage, but consider this:

If you men are so afraid of “being robbed” by women, go learn some self-defence. Else, hire a body guard or equip yourself with a gun or machete, then shoot and chop any woman who wanna rob you, crush and smash her to pieces, dismember her into 8 parts, and throw her into the sea to feed the sharks. There you go, you have your sweet revenge. Such a fantastic feeling! (Muahahaha~)

Otherwise, don’t get rich, coz gold diggers will come. Beware guys, they are always around, lurking in the dark and waiting to prey on gullible men...so men must not get rich. Never ever. Men must dress up poorly, use cheap cheap stuffs, cannot drive expensive cars, cannot bring women to high-end restaurants, or appear in atas places...cannot show any signs of wealth, otherwise will get robbed. Scary, you know?

Ah well, I didn’t know I was “robbing” my fiancé and “digging his gold”. Maybe I should dig more than SGD 3-digit every month. Maybe I should tell him I'm a "professional gold digger", and that I approached him with "strategy to lure and bait him", so that I could "suck all his money out of him", and "dump him after that" for an even richer man.  brows.gif

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That's a topic that I spend alot of time thinking. Is it poverty that motivates crime or is it relative poverty motivates crime?
And recently, what I have been suspecting resonate what a clinical psychologist conclusion. It's relative poverty. If you are well read and informed, you should know who I'm talking about.

I can relate my experience and PM me if interested. Else, I'm gonna come off a grandiose like you.

No, I'm not afraid of any man/woman robbing me. What I detest is, I'm not that a boring person that the free meal is more attractive than I am.
Insulting! And the woman is what? Something I can buy with money? Double insulting. What good is there?

The focus should be sincerity and ingenuity towards one another and the curves and the wealth is secondary.


QUOTE(Ralna @ Jul 21 2018, 02:05 AM)

He's a LYN member, btw. He'll definitely find my thread interesting, and say, "Haih, you ah, being naughty again."  laugh.gif

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We should do that in person. That could save us hours and covers wider range of topics.

Not sure if you are up for it, one of the longest "debate" I had was with a lawyer on Civil War for 12 hours straight. Breakfast till dinner. And I forgot who foots the bill. And her concluding remark after failing to rebuke was "You are just jealous that Tony Stark is rich & chick digs him". That's not a fair rebuttal. icon_rolleyes.gif

I hope that you are the type that argues for fun. I'm attacking the persona you "conjured" and the act which hopefully, does not reflect your truself.

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Ah well, I didn’t know I was “robbing” my fiancé and “digging his gold”. Maybe I should dig more than SGD 3-digit every month. Maybe I should tell him I'm a "professional gold digger", and that I approached him with "strategy to lure and bait him", so that I could "suck all his money out of him", and "dump him after that" for an even richer man.  brows.gif

He's a LYN member, btw. He'll definitely find my thread interesting, and say, "Haih, you ah, being naughty again
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This part I gotta day I salute her. She is very secured with the relationship with her fiancé. This part couldn’t be fake if the story that she met her here is real

Oh hi Mr fiancé, Interesting woman you are engaged to ya 😅

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QUOTE(titanmelvin @ Jul 21 2018, 02:51 AM)
You gave a different answer in your previous reply, in which you said that you will only marry someone who is rich, or will get rich in the future. I'm sure you can understand that potential, hard work, intelligence does not guarantee that someone will definitely become rich. I highly doubt that you would have feelings or stick around with someone who is at his lowest point, as you would simply filter him out.

Since your current post states a different answer and gives a different impression, you have my respects if that is what you really think and will do. Thank you for your replies.
You gave a different answer in your previous reply.
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You got it right, but let me clarify further.

I will make sure such a man will eventually get rich, only if he has the qualities you mentioned, and he is teachable (willing to listen to his woman), and follows through no matter what it takes.

I don't waste time on men who cause their own poverty due to the lack of ambition, bad habits/addiction, and other factors that led to self-made poverty. Maybe other women wanna save such men, but not me. In other words, I selectively rescue people.

You can't change people who are unwilling to change. If they want to change, they will display the qualities you mentioned.

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I think the most accurate way of debunking all your "statement" is...None of them can be verified.
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Yours are more like total grandiose, not much focus, IMO, mostly ignorant. Definitely, ignorant about the implication of what you are preaching here. I hope my Cinderella story gives you hint.
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That's a topic that I spend alot of time thinking. Is it poverty that motivates crime or is it relative poverty motivates crime?

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No, I'm not afraid of any man/woman robbing me. What I detest is, I'm not that a boring person that the free meal is more attractive than I am.
Insulting! And the woman is what? Something I can buy with money? Double insulting. What good is there?


The focus should be sincerity and ingenuity towards one another and the curves and the wealth is secondary.

We should do that in person. That could save us hours and covers wider range of topics.

Not sure if you are up for it, one of the longest "debate" I had was with a lawyer on Civil War for 12 hours straight. Breakfast till dinner. And I forgot who foots the bill. And her concluding remark after failing to rebuke was "You are just jealous that Tony Stark is rich & chick digs him". That's not a fair rebuttal. icon_rolleyes.gif

I hope that you are the type that argues for fun. I'm attacking the persona you "conjured" and the act which hopefully, does not reflect your truself.

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QUOTE(RUI @ Jul 21 2018, 03:36 AM)
The wolf is baited. I'm sure we both had fun.

Good nite. laugh.gif
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Alright,wolfie RUI. You know what you need the most? You need to see it to believe it for yourself in order to believe. I still remember @BrendonStar said we have opposing MBTI personality type; that's why we tend to engage in arguments, which I think is fun at times. rclxs0.gif

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As for the Cinderella story, so you think I'm the stepsister? But I didn't grow up being pampered and nurtured by a stepmother.

Consider this behind-the-scene Cinderella story (gonna ruin ya childhood fantasy, ok? I warned ya):


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Ralna, come to think of it. What is your fiance's MBTI personality type compared to yours?
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QUOTE(Ralna @ Jul 21 2018, 10:51 AM)
You got it right, but let me clarify further.

I will make sure such a man will eventually get rich, only if he has the qualities you mentioned, and he is teachable (willing to listen to his woman), and follows through no matter what it takes.

I don't waste time on men who cause their own poverty due to the lack of ambition, bad habits/addiction, and other factors that led to self-made poverty. Maybe other women wanna save such men, but not me. In other words, I selectively rescue people.

You can't change people who are unwilling to change. If they want to change, they will display the qualities you mentioned.
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What about men who have great qualities, but financial gains is not their main purpose? Such as lecturers, researchers, people not working in the private sector and many more. Will you choose men who are highly capable, motivated but not gonna be rich?
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Ralna, come to think of it. What is your fiance's MBTI personality type compared to yours?
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He's ISTJ; I'm INFJ.

He's the systematic and organised type, cool & calm, kinda stoic, macho & chauvinistic type. Honestly, I felt intimidated when I first met him. You know, like there are some males, when you first meet them, you can feel their aura (serious, demand respect).

I'm more of ... ok, difficult to define INFJ, but when you meet an INFJ, you'd find that they are so damn odd/weird/unusual/contradictory/from another planet, coz they are very rare (<1% of the population), and they are multi-faceted and multi-layered human beings.

What he thinks of me? Make him pening kepala. Feels like "strangling" me sometimes, he says. sweat.gif hahaha
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QUOTE(titanmelvin @ Jul 21 2018, 12:44 PM)
What about men who have great qualities, but financial gains is not their main purpose? Such as lecturers, researchers, people not working in the private sector and many more. Will you choose men who are highly capable, motivated but not gonna be rich?
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To be real honest, I personally don't need to use so much money. If what I have is sufficient for me to live a comfortable life, and it lasts to retirement till the day I die, I'm fine.

But, when considering having a family and starting biz, more money is needed. When considering the rising cost of living and inflation 10 or 20 years later, more money is needed too. How about higher education for the children? Getting more and more expensive too.

For men who are highly capable, motivated but not gonna be rich, I wanna know why.

Is it because they don't want to/ don't dare to/ don't believe they will? Why?

Once I identify that mental barrier, I will also find out the external barriers, such as, his current job has not much of future prospect, or his industry will be out/ replaced by automation & AI etc.

Don't just look at the present. Think far and ahead, and spot risks that other people can't spot.


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QUOTE(Ralna @ Jul 21 2018, 12:47 PM)
He's ISTJ; I'm INFJ.

He's the systematic and organised type, cool & calm, kinda stoic, macho & chauvinistic type. Honestly, I felt intimidated when I first met him. You know, like there are some males, when you first meet them, you can feel their aura (serious, demand respect).

I'm more of  ... ok, difficult to define INFJ, but when you meet an INFJ, you'd find that they are so damn odd/weird/unusual/contradictory/from another planet, coz they are very rare (<1% of the population), and they are multi-faceted and multi-layered human beings.

What he thinks of me? Make him pening kepala. Feels like "strangling" me sometimes, he says.  sweat.gif hahaha
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Aahhh, he is the ISTJ type, I am the ISTP-P type.

Yes, I have a female friend of mine who is also an INFJ type personality and yes, I faced the same thing as your fiance too.
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Aahhh, he is the ISTJ type, I am the ISTP-P type.

Yes, I have a female friend of mine who is also an INFJ type personality and yes, I faced the same thing as your fiance too.
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Nice meeting you. ^^ Almost similar, but you're a P. Must find out how different that one letter makes. wink.gif

Hahaha...ah well, INFJ can be kinda "annoying", but they are also interesting (unpredictable mah~~). brows.gif
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QUOTE(Ralna @ Jul 21 2018, 01:04 PM)
To be real honest, I personally don't need to use so much money. If what I have is sufficient for me to live a comfortable life, and it lasts to retirement till the day I die, I'm fine.

But, when considering having a family and starting biz, more money is needed. When considering the rising cost of living and inflation 10 or 20 years later, more money is needed too. How about higher education for the children? Getting more and more expensive too.

For men who are highly capable, motivated but not gonna be rich, I wanna know why.

Is it because they don't want to/ don't dare to/ don't believe they will? Why?

Once I identify that mental barrier, I will also find out the external barriers, such as, his current job has not much of future prospect, or his industry will be out/ replaced by automation & AI etc.

Don't just look at the present. Think far and ahead, and spot risks that other people can't spot.
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Simple example is someone who works in the public sector, nonprofit organizations. Not everyone's goal is to be rich.

What is your definition of living comfortably? Mercedes, bungalows, business class flights?

How much money a month is considered comfortable to you, at current inflation. For the purpose of discussion, say the inflation remains flat at 0%.
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QUOTE(Ralna @ Jul 21 2018, 01:38 PM)
Nice meeting you. ^^ Almost similar, but you're a P. Must find out how different that one letter makes.  wink.gif

Hahaha...ah well, INFJ can be kinda "annoying", but they are also interesting (unpredictable mah~~). brows.gif
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Nice meeting you too ^^
INFJ, as 'annoying' as you guys are, still bunch of interesting people too once we get to know one another biggrin.gif

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QUOTE(Ralna @ Jul 21 2018, 12:47 PM)
He's ISTJ; I'm INFJ.

He's the systematic and organised type, cool & calm, kinda stoic, macho & chauvinistic type. Honestly, I felt intimidated when I first met him. You know, like there are some males, when you first meet them, you can feel their aura (serious, demand respect).

I'm more of  ... ok, difficult to define INFJ, but when you meet an INFJ, you'd find that they are so damn odd/weird/unusual/contradictory/from another planet, coz they are very rare (<1% of the population), and they are multi-faceted and multi-layered human beings.

What he thinks of me? Make him pening kepala. Feels like "strangling" me sometimes, he says.  sweat.gif hahaha
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Hmm would have thought you were more of an intj. Since you said most of your decisions are calculated and your style of writing are more towards fact and some time come across cold and insensitive towards other as well.

But the part on being a lecturer , plus wanting to share your views is indeed congruent with an infj.
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QUOTE(titanmelvin @ Jul 21 2018, 02:27 PM)
Simple example is someone who works in the public sector, nonprofit organizations. Not everyone's goal is to be rich.

What is your definition of living comfortably? Mercedes, bungalows, business class flights?

How much money a month is considered comfortable to you, at current inflation. For the purpose of discussion, say the inflation remains flat at 0%.
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I know, but aiming to be rich and having the ability/discipline/luck to be rich, are two separate matters.

You can get rich without aiming for it, such as, by knowing how to save in FD and invest in UT (Amanah Saham etc) although you are a salaried employee who earns average income, or by living frugally too as a form of lifestyle coz you prefer simple life, or you avoid using credit cards and have no bad debt at all, these good financial habits will eventually make you rich.

How rich is rich? Of course, if you are in the middle class, you may feel happy enough to have, say RM50k in your savings at age 35? Or RM150k by age 50? It depends on individuals, as to which figure makes them feel happy and secure. As long as the figure can fulfill your needs and wants, you will feel you are contented and rich enough, in your own terms and standard of living.

After all, numbers are infinite. If you think RM1,000,000 = rich, how about RM1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 or even more? If wealth = digits, then no one will ever be the "richest" person in this world, ever.

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"What is your definition of living comfortably? Mercedes, bungalows, business class flights?"

Ok, this was my lifestyle:

I used to earn RM6-8k a month in my mid-20s, but I drove a Proton car and wore clothes from Padini. Shoes, I bought during sales, once or twice a year, bought 5-6 pairs each time. I also shopped online, waiting for discounts, promo codes and hunted for the best deals. That's my frugal part.

My spendthrift part? I spent RM50k making myself beautiful physically, head to toe. My queen-sized imported latex mattress cost RM3000+ after 50% discount (the brand is used by 5-star hotels), and the soap I use to wash my face? It cost RM89; imported from Greece. I also consumed supplements, costing RM500-700 monthly. & I spent RM8000-20k to do courses to upgrade myself.

When I shop, I don't need to look at price tags. I see what I like, and I put them in my shopping cart, then I check out. I can spend RM100-200 each time buying imported snacks. My cookware and dinnerware alone, cost nearly RM1,000; made in Germany and U.S.A.

& when I wanna renovate my home, I like this tiles, I like that wallpaper, I like this kitchen cabinet, I like that... I can afford to buy them.

If I wanna take AirAsia flight, I take it. If I wanna try MAS biz class flight, I can also pay for it. If I wanna stay in 5-star hotel, I can book the room.

If I don't like my Proton car, I want a BMW, ok, let's go to the showroom and buy one.

I don't need to think, "Eh, will this exceed my budget for this month?? Can I afford this??" ...& the shopping mood is totally gone, and then straightaway go home to do budgeting again, "Aiya, this month overspent... haih, next month must go on diet, if not really have to eat grass. T.T"

So, to me, living comfortably = I can do what I like and spend without worries.

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"How much money a month is considered comfortable to you, at current inflation. For the purpose of discussion, say the inflation remains flat at 0%."

If I am single, I think RM5000-10k is good enough, coz that was my previous income.

If I am married, the household income should be RM15k+ a month, especially if we have children.

If we are self-employed/ doing biz, I think a decent amount would be RM20-50k. Anything more than that, I think it's considered excess.

My preference is to be in the upper middle class. I don't aim for owning supercars, or private jets, or Birkin bags etc. They don't interest me much. But I'd love to stay in a semi-D or bungalow, and travel around the world as much as I want.

& when I see charity causes, I can donate as much as I like, be it RM50, 100, 500, 1000, or 10k to help the poor and the needy.

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When you are poor, you cannot have the freedom and mobility to do all these.

But when you are rich, you can live as to how you want. You can either stay frugal, or be extravagant, or somewhere in between.

You have the freedom to choose.... and that itself is a luxury already, to the poor.

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QUOTE(Ralna @ Jul 21 2018, 05:43 PM)
I know, but aiming to be rich and having the ability/discipline/luck to be rich, are two separate matters.

You can get rich without aiming for it, such as, by knowing how to save in FD and invest in UT (Amanah Saham etc) although you are a salaried employee who earns average income, or by living frugally too as a form of lifestyle coz you prefer simple life, or you avoid using credit cards and have no bad debt at all, these good financial habits will eventually make you rich.


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That was was exactly my question. Would you marry someone who is intelligent, hardworking etc but is not gonna be rich? Say for example, your fiance opens a law firm to help the poor. His ambition is to help others and he is happy with what he does. Would you live your life with him knowing that he is going to be middle class for the rest of his life?
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QUOTE(ChAOoz @ Jul 21 2018, 04:40 PM)
Hmm would have thought you were more of an intj. Since you said most of your decisions are calculated and your style of writing are more towards fact and some time come across cold and insensitive towards other as well.

But the part on being a lecturer , plus wanting to share your views is indeed congruent with an infj.
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Well, this:

5. Both emotional and rational

Although sensitive and emotional, INFJs often mistype as INTJs, their “Thinking” twin. Due to their third function, Introverted Thinking (Ti), they paradoxically can be quite analytical and scientific. They may enjoy careers in technology, the sciences, and research. Because Extroverted Feeling is their second function and Introverted Thinking is their third, these two functions are fairly balanced in the INFJ. Indeed, INFJs don’t outwardly appear as emotional as the ENFJ or ESFJ, whose Feeling function is dominant. It’s said that the INFJ can be “too emotional for the Thinkers but too logical for the Feelers.” But this common sense comes in handy, making INFJs balanced and well-rounded.


Source: https://introvertdear.com/news/infj-secrets/


The cold & insensitive part? Well, it's INFJ dark side... devil.gif
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Alright,wolfie RUI. You know what you need the most? You need to see it to believe it for yourself in order to believe. I still remember @BrendonStar said we have opposing MBTI personality type; that's why we tend to engage in arguments, which I think is fun at times.  rclxs0.gif

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See what? How ugly human can be? I had enough.

I am aware how myself is motivated by self-interest. What would be more meaningful is to go beyond yourself.

How motivated person is in his/her self-interest is nothing inspiring.
That's like a soldier being proud telling people how fast ran away from his post in a gun battle leaving his comrades to die.

Unlike this crazy mfk. Often people like that aren't rich. But they are reliable and trustworthy. I will be interested to know people like him and what gives him the courage to that extend of a sacrifice. I'm pretty sure it's not "Because, I want Victoria Cross".
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QUOTE(Ralna @ Jul 21 2018, 11:36 AM)
As for the Cinderella story, so you think I'm the stepsister? But I didn't grow up being pampered and nurtured by a stepmother.
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In your guide, that's encouraging people to be the step-sister. If it's you or not, that's for you to know.
If you are or not does not affect me. Hence, you should know, like everybody else, no one cares.

As if anybody gives a damm if I have a foot long.

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Consider this behind-the-scene Cinderella story (gonna ruin ya childhood fantasy, ok? I warned ya):
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Nope. You can't. And here is why.

She didn't scrub the floor, cook the breakfast, be nice to all the mouse, chicken, donkey and horse so that the prince will fall in love with her.
See the difference between your "guide" and her?

What's attractive about her is her life is a bitch and she can live as happy as she can despite being bullied and exploited.
That's the content of her character.

For anyone who are totally obsessed with wealth and self-interest, will probably poison everyone and everything since it's not that difficult thing to do.

QUOTE(Ralna @ Jul 21 2018, 11:36 AM)
RUI, you definitely are an interesting person (much more interesting than free meals! biggrin.gif) . Not sure what you encountered in the past that made you feel insulted by women, but then, I'm not like that okay.

Yes, I argue for the the thrill. I'll pm you then... Motive? To further bait the wolf. brows.gif
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Maybe I have vividly explain why that's insulting. But, that doesn't mean that I was insulted before and hence bitter or resentful.

You don't have to be robbed to be angry at a robber. That makes sense right?

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QUOTE(titanmelvin @ Jul 21 2018, 06:34 PM)
That was was exactly my question. Would you marry someone who is intelligent, hardworking etc but is not gonna be rich? Say for example, your fiance opens a law firm to help the poor. His ambition is to help others and he is happy with what he does. Would you live your life with him knowing that he is going to be middle class for the rest of his life?
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Ah, I see what you mean.

In this case, I'll tell him, "You can spend 90% your time doing your charity work, but 10% of your time, do what I suggest."

I know what he likes and what he's skilled in, and I can market that and make money out of it.

I leverage on his knowledge and skills, while he leverages on my money-making ability.

He likes to help people, I like to make money.
I help him to make more money, so that he can help more people.
There is no conflict of interest in this.


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QUOTE(RUI @ Jul 21 2018, 06:37 PM)
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She didn't scrub the floor, cook the breakfast, be nice to all the mouse, chicken, donkey and horse so that the prince will fall in love with her.
See the difference between your "guide" and her?

What's attractive about her is her life is a bitch and she can live as happy as she can despite being bullied and exploited.
That's the content of her character.

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You don't have to be robbed to be angry at a robber. That makes sense right?
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But she did put in the efforts, to dress up prettily, wearing the most beautiful dress, the dainty glass slippers, and went to the ball with a sparkling coach and six white horses, and dance with the prince and no one else.

She's faking herself to make the best impression to everyone; pretending to be glamorous and beautiful, when in fact, she's just a lowly, poor and unhappy girl.

Are you sure she's happy with her life? Crying and weeping. Go read the story again.

In real life, fairy godmother and talking animals that can sing and dance to cheer her up, don't exist. For a woman like her to get to atas place and marry a prince... apply it in real life context.

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"You don't have to be robbed to be angry at a robber."
Understanding and mentally getting angry, is different from experiencing and emotionally getting angry.
There are also different degrees of anger, as many as 10-15 degrees/levels of anger.

Just like rape. You can get angry with rapist, but the anger you feel is insignificant as compared to the anger the victim feels herself.
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QUOTE(Ralna @ Jul 21 2018, 07:06 PM)
But she did put in the efforts, to dress up prettily, wearing the most beautiful dress, the dainty glass slippers, and went to the ball with a sparkling coach and six white horses, and dance with the prince and no one else.

She's faking herself to make the best impression to everyone; pretending to be glamorous and beautiful, when in fact, she's just a lowly, poor and unhappy girl.

Are you sure she's happy with her life? Crying and weeping. Go read the story again.
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Eh, in that story, are those within her control? She didn't covertly build the carriages, stitch her beautiful dress, and save up for the glass slipper so that she can deceive the prince. She didn't do all that. Your guide suggest that girls should.

Infact, her first dress was sewn by the birds and mouses before being town by the useless step sisters.
Why would the mice and birds do that for her? (You can argue that she was nice to them so that they will do that for her)
Which leads to the next question why would a manipulative cheating b*tch be nice so many mouses and birds to get attention of a prince that may not exist?

The only part that she is crying and weeping is when she is being bullied yet again.

QUOTE(Ralna @ Jul 21 2018, 07:06 PM)
In real life, fairy godmother and talking animals that can sing and dance to cheer her up, don't exist. For a woman like her to get to atas place and marry a prince... apply it in real life context.

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That's in still faith in people that kindness and compassion create abundance. And not self-interest.
Look at her life, it seemed so little and yet so much.

No one really cares if you have an ambition to beat Bill Gates.

But if you are interested to alleviate poverty, I will be interested.

QUOTE(Ralna @ Jul 21 2018, 07:06 PM)
"You don't have to be robbed to be angry at a robber."
Understanding and mentally getting angry, is different from experiencing and emotionally getting angry.
There are also different degrees of anger, as many as 10-15 degrees/levels of anger.

Just like rape. You can get angry with rapist, but the anger you feel is insignificant as compared to the anger the victim feels herself.
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And your point is? sweat.gif

I know what's your point...my understanding of the anger to the insult, is not comparable to those really pitiful men.
I don't blame you if you can't understand. Neither of us can. whistling.gif




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Ah, I see what you mean.

In this case, I'll tell him, "You can spend 90% your time doing your charity work, but 10% of your time, do what I suggest."

I know what he likes and what he's skilled in, and I can market that and make money out of it.



He likes to help people, I like to make money.
I help him to make more money, so that he can help more people.
There is no conflict of interest in this.
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This is inaccurate.
You like to make money and you like to manipulate people to make you money is very different.

The difference is utility. Latter cares a world about the other person's monetizing ability.
Having that said, that's exactly an employer to employee relationship. And there is no conflict of interest.

If it's possible to make it pseudo romantic/employer & employee relationship is subjective.

More important question, although it's not mutually exclusive, do you girls marry for a person's monetizing ability or love?

And for guys, how do you feel about someone "loving" you for your monetizing ability.

For me, monetizing ability is nothing unique. But, I am unique. *self-praise. rclxs0.gif

QUOTE(Ralna @ Jul 21 2018, 06:50 PM)

I leverage on his knowledge and skills, while he leverages on my money-making ability.

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Which part of "Oi Bangla! pasang itu tingkap dalam 1 satu minit. I mau 100 sebelum lunch!" equates money-making ability.

The real value is actually at the bangla to install the window in less than a minute.

I wouldn't say she is totally useless. She would be very valuable if she manage to sell the window for 8 digit with 50% margin where 49% profit goes to creative accounting and convince the bangla he is worth 1% of the deal and sticks around. She is really quite something.

It's just, I pity the bangla. sweat.gif sweat.gif
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Awaiting our machine overlords to awaken and just end the misery now. If civilization is based around a system some Jews came up with just to assert control then I say we deserve it.
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QUOTE(RUI @ Jul 21 2018, 09:32 PM)
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More important question, although it's not mutually exclusive, do you girls marry for a person's monetizing ability or love?

And for guys, how do you feel about someone "loving" you for your monetizing ability.
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You really have a problem with accepting the fact that women like financial security, and some women like to marry rich men.

Don't be so idealistic. The pure love you are trying to seek, is rare. See how many marriages end in divorces when $$$ is lacking.

You are single with no family commitments yet. Wait till you get married, or wanna get married.

Perhaps then, and only then, you will realise: Single men are fantasied with the idea that love is everything. Married men will know it's not.

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You really have a problem with accepting the fact that women like financial security, and some women like to marry rich men.

Don't be so idealistic. The pure love you are trying to seek, is rare. See how many marriages end in divorces when $$$ is lacking.

You are single with no family commitments yet. Wait till you get married, or wanna get married.

Perhaps then, and only then, you will realise: Single men are fantasied with the idea that love is everything. Married men will know it's not.
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I already addressed that in my previous post. 1001 pages guide to marrying a hot chick. Okay, I stand corrected. Only applies to some shallow hot chick. thumbsup.gif

I'm being practical. You are pretty naive to believe that you can conveniently walk away 50% of whatever he has in worse case. shakehead.gif
I need not bothered elaborate further on how insecure and short sighted that is.

What I'm saying is there is nothing secure that way if compared to possessing the money making ability herself.
I'm not saying it's mutually exclusive. The focus is possessing that ability yourself.

I believe that's the equivalent of numbers of marriage end with the husband cheating. Perhaps, you can research on how small of the fraction of what she think she can walk away with and what she actually walk away with in a divorce. That will better educate people. Definitely, the only winner is the lawyer. laugh.gif

Sigh...On the contrary, it's love that some men actually walk the extra mile to put smile on the father, mother, wife and children's face.
Else, why bother to put in the extra hours and shoulder the burden? What better motivation if it's not love? Yes, self-interest. Like all the cheating bastards. All the wrong doings are well rationalize on the premise of cheating is part of his marriage entitlement because it's transactional. Why bother to talk and work it out. documents on the table, sign and move the F out. Yes, technically if that's the agreement; Nothing wrong.
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Under malaysia law, the chances of getting 50% of a rich man asset during or after a divorce is close to zero.

Most of a rich man assess would have existed prior to marriage and would not constitute matrimony assets

I am not sure how shariah law applies but I am also quite certain the number won't be 50%

Married women can only claim for share of assets that they have also contributed to whether in monetary or non monetary means.

Non montenary means are more difficult to prove, I took care of the children so he could take good care of the business and thus am entitled to 50% may exist in USA but in Asia, most judges won't buy it.

The wife is of course entitled to some form of divorce settlement but it won't be 50%
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QUOTE(RUI @ Jul 21 2018, 10:45 PM)
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What I'm saying is there is nothing secure that way if compared to possessing the money making ability herself.
I'm not saying it's mutually exclusive. The focus is possessing that ability yourself.
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So you're implying that:
1) I have no money-making ability, that's why I wanna marry a rich man?

2) it's manipulative if I help others to use their own talents to make money for themselves?

As for the divorce part, @cfa28 has addressed it. I'm with her. Women don't get 50% in divorces, FYI.

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wah where? this thread is still continuing debating in her "world".

hahaha.
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QUOTE(Ralna @ Jul 22 2018, 10:29 AM)
So you're implying that:
1) I have no money-making ability, that's why I wanna marry a rich man?

2) it's manipulative if I help others to use their own talents to make money for themselves?

As for the divorce part, @cfa28 has addressed it. I'm with her. Women don't get 50% in divorces, FYI.
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1) Else, explain to me why rich man is targeted if you are already rich? By right, as long as he doesn't come asking you for money, it's all cool.

2) Then, why is the title isn't How to Marry a Rich Man and Make Him Richer?

Does it not make more sense with the How to Marry a Poor Man to Make Him Rich? Considering the fact the rich already have them.

Isn't that obvious that's not the intent? Isn't it obvious the whole intent of marrying a rich man is about what he can do for her, FINANCIALLY.
And if it's true that she already at her pinnacle of financial success, don't you think that the title would be "How to Marry a Man with a Foot Long".

Help me complete that statement. Thanks.
Men marry a women with intent to start a family is because men are in capable of carrying a baby.
Some women marry a rich men with intent to get rich is because that woman is incapable of ...............

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QUOTE(RUI @ Jul 22 2018, 12:02 PM)
1) Else, explain to me why rich man is targeted if you are already rich? By right, as long as he doesn't come asking you for money, it's all cool.

2) Then, why is the title isn't How to Marry a Rich Man and Make Him Richer?

Does it not make more sense with the How to Marry a Poor Man to Make Him Rich? Considering the fact the rich already have them.

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Following your logic,

1) If a poor woman targets a rich man = she's a gold digger.
How about if a rich woman target a rich man = she's _______

& if a rich woman targets a poor man = she's _______
& if a rich woman targets an average joe = she's _______



2) The topic "How to Marry a Rich Man and Make Him Richer?" is the subsequent part, don't you think it is more suitable to be in another sub-forum, since it's about making money?


"How to Marry a Poor Man to Make Him Rich?" → Do you think this makes sense? A woman marry a poor man... so that she can make him rich? Why must she marry him in order to make him rich?


"Considering the fact the rich already have them" → If the rich is already rich, they cannot add on more $ to their existing wealth?
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QUOTE(Ralna @ Jul 22 2018, 12:35 PM)
Following your logic,

1) If a poor woman targets a rich man = she's a gold digger.
How about if a rich woman target a rich man = she's _______

& if a rich woman targets a poor man = she's _______
& if a rich woman targets an average joe = she's _______

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It's not clear what the general public establishes on the other 3 categories. I will get back to you. laugh.gif

It's pretty clear they are less malicious to me.

QUOTE(Ralna @ Jul 22 2018, 12:35 PM)
2) The topic "How to Marry a Rich Man and Make Him Richer?" is the subsequent part, don't you think it is more suitable to be in another sub-forum, since it's about making money?
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That will be useful. Thanks.

QUOTE(Ralna @ Jul 22 2018, 12:35 PM)
"How to Marry a Poor Man to Make Him Rich?" → Do you think this makes sense?  A woman marry a poor man... so that she can make him rich? Why must she marry him in order to make him rich?
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The opposite applies.

Person at higher position voluntarily help someone at lower position is generosity/nobility.
Person at lower position takes advantages of someone at higher position via deceitful mean is ......(*you complete the sentence)

What do you think about this word "fraudster"? laugh.gif

QUOTE(Ralna @ Jul 22 2018, 12:35 PM)
"Considering the fact the rich already have them" → If the rich is already rich, they cannot add on more $ to their existing wealth?
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You missed the point. He doesn't need you to make him rich. You need him to foot ur Maldives trip. Because if you can, it wouldn't matter if he could.
But he does need you to make him babies. Hopefully, there is something worthy to pass on. whistling.gif

Please do elaborate on how you make him richer. That will be useful to everyone.
And not methods of deceiving him and brags about the reward of the deceit.
And not rationalize it with disgusting behavior of some men. two wrongs doesn't make one right.

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QUOTE(RUI @ Jul 22 2018, 01:10 PM)
It's not clear what the general public establishes on the other 3 categories. I will get back to you.  laugh.gif

It's pretty clear they are less malicious to me.
That will be useful. Thanks.
The opposite applies.

Person at higher position voluntarily help someone at lower position is generosity/nobility.
Person at lower position takes advantages of someone at higher position via deceitful mean is ......(*you complete the sentence)

What do you think about this word "fraudster"? laugh.gif
You missed the point. He doesn't need you to make him rich. You need him to foot ur Maldives trip. Because if you can, it wouldn't matter if he could.
But he does need you to make him babies. Hopefully, there is something worthy to pass on.  whistling.gif

Please do elaborate on how you make him richer. That will be useful to everyone.
And not methods of deceiving him and brags about the reward of the deceit.
And not rationalize it with disgusting behavior of some men. two wrongs doesn't make one right.
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"It's pretty clear they are less malicious to me."
Alright then, a poor girl should never ever think/aim to marry a rich man, even if he pursues her; otherwise, she's a gold digger.

"Person at higher position voluntarily help someone at lower position is generosity/nobility."
Have you ever thought of how the poor man would feel if a rich woman wanna marry him? Can he really take that differences and pressure? Have you considered how inferior and insecure he would feel? Or how her family would look at him and his family/upbringing?

"He doesn't need you to make him rich. You need him to foot ur Maldives trip. Because if you can, it wouldn't matter if he could."
Wrong. What did I say? It's our wedding trip. Ask any other woman if she wanna fund her own wedding, without taking into factor how much her future spouse is earning.

While it's true that he doesn't need me to make him rich (great!), but it doesn't mean he will reject my initiatives to help him become richer. Tell me, which man would say this, "Honey, I am already rich enough la! I don't wanna be richer."

& how do I make him richer? I have discussed with him, and shared with my inner circle. The public doesn't need to know, albeit how inspiring it is. I don't share abstract plans that aren't executed yet. I only share proven methods that work. In this case, "How to Marry a Rich Man", which is something certain group of men really hate of, including you.

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Sorry to say this, but your logical reasoning is one-sided (from a man's POV), and you fail to see the whole picture of relationship dynamics. I really lost my interest in replying you. If there are other forumers who can enlighten RUI, please do so.

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QUOTE(Ralna @ Jul 22 2018, 01:34 PM)
"It's pretty clear they are less malicious to me."
Alright then, a poor girl should never ever think/aim to marry a rich man, even if he pursues her; otherwise, she's a gold digger.
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Sigh. You are missing the point.

My point is, be nice a nice person because you believe in kindness and compassion is not the same as being a nice person so that you can pick his pocket.

Why is it so hard to differentiate and accept that?

QUOTE(Ralna @ Jul 22 2018, 01:34 PM)
"Person at higher position voluntarily help someone at lower position is generosity/nobility."
Have you ever thought of how the poor man would feel if a rich woman wanna marry him? Can he really take that differences and pressure? Have you considered how inferior and insecure he would feel? Or how her family would look at him and his family/upbringing?
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I will say it would be generous and meaningful for a lady to lift another soul out of poverty and build his esteem up. He will voluntarily take a bullet for you.

Which men do that all the time. But bcos it comes free, that it becomes an entitlement. If a woman do that, "wowwwwww! That's so noble".
And some men, "tulan" liao. See the bitterness around. Some men like myself, "tulan" also no use. Keep doing what's right and be a good man la.

QUOTE(Ralna @ Jul 22 2018, 01:34 PM)
"He doesn't need you to make him rich. You need him to foot ur Maldives trip. Because if you can, it wouldn't matter if he could."
Wrong. What did I say? It's our wedding trip. Ask any other woman if she wanna fund her own wedding, without taking into factor how much her future spouse is earning.
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Big round of applause to women like that. That's the testament that gender equality is bearing fruit.

Wanting women to have the ability to buy me dinner isn't the same as wanting a women buy me dinner.

I will still buy her dinner because i'm a gentlemen.

If you genuinely care about your partners security and well-being, it shouldn't bother you if he is already rich or he possess what it takes to be rich.
What should bother you is if you have the capability bring value to his life.

QUOTE(Ralna @ Jul 22 2018, 01:34 PM)
While it's true that he doesn't need me to make him rich (great!), but it doesn't mean he will reject my initiatives to help him become richer. Tell me, which man would say this, "Honey, I am already rich enough la! I don't wanna be richer."

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That's why I did not say that. I said, it's more useful to do that with poor people if the plan is to enrich your partner.

Your argument is like, hiring a life-guard during an Olympic Swimming Competition. Apparently, Michael Phelps need to saved in a pool. laugh.gif

QUOTE(Ralna @ Jul 22 2018, 01:34 PM)
& how do I make him richer? I have discussed with him, and shared with my inner circle. The public doesn't need to know, albeit how inspiring it is. I don't share abstract plans that aren't executed yet. I only share proven methods that work.

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Cilaka. Go such a big circle to brag about yourself. Then, useful thing don't want share.
*speechless. laugh.gif

QUOTE(Ralna @ Jul 22 2018, 01:34 PM)
Sorry to say this, but your logical reasoning is one-sided (from a man's POV), and you fail to see the whole picture of relationship dynamics. I really lost my interest in replying you. If there are other forumers who can enlighten RUI, please do so.

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I certainly hate the malicious intent behind that statement. And I believe everyone should to. In most of my reply here, it's coherent that I attacked any malicious intent regardless if it comes from either gender. But I will admit I am more gentle with woman. I'm a sexist!

In response to your THAT "relationship dynamics", I do not deny that there are malicious gold-digging b*tch and pretty successful at it.
What I'm disagreeing is if the society should have more gold-digging b*tch, what's more coming up with a manual with it. shakehead.gif

P.S. Looks like our Notti Little Red Riding Hood is getting triggered. If you doing something not to be proud of, try keep the volume down. That's why if someone is stealing, he does it at night and quietly. How twisted it is to rationalize stealing is OK and come up with a manual for it. And encourage to shout out loud as he is stealing. Wa piaaaa. rolleyes.gif

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Hi TS,

Read some of the replies by you and the others. It is indeed interesting.

You taught us that life is full with ups and downs. You shown a good example to all of us. It is inspiring too to know what you have done to overcome your hardship. Make no mistake, you are well-deserved to be where you are now. Everything is moving in the right direction for you right now and we are happy for you.

However, just my point of view. It really goes back to your intention behind creating this post in the first place. Some considerations as below for you to ponder.

1) There are readers who come to this forum seeking for emotional supports/ words of encouragement. They want to know that they are not the only one in this world that face hardship in life. They feel better believing that they are not alone and this feeling actually creates positive energy within them, which is very critical in helping them to overcome their problems.

2) I have to believe that this is your true intention behind creating this first post. You want to help others. Given your history and bad childhood experiences, you want to lay a message that things will turn around if we set clear goals and put in our best efforts to realise the goals. Nothing comes easy and we have to work hard (harder than anyone else) if we want to have a better life in the future. Cant agree more with this.

3) However, there were some replies or yours that drawn negative feedback from the readers. To a certain extent, i too felt that you were "trying" too hard and some readers here might not feel your true intention (which is to help and encourage others). Things like you mentioned on your achievements in your early twenties (i.e. achieve that at the age of 23, own a house at 24, etc.) might not be worth mentioning if it led others to misunderstand your good intention. You see, people would actually envy the good things you have now, rather than appreciating what you have been through to be where you are right now.

4) Therefore, it will be really helpful if you continue to share your life experiences, useful tips and wonderful quotes, so that we can learn more from you and take you as a good example. But it is also important if you can bring out your messages in a more humble way. I believe that will bring you to more great things in life in the future.

5) I hope you all the best in everything you do.





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QUOTE(Selectt @ Jul 22 2018, 11:13 AM)
wah where? this thread is still continuing debating in her "world".

hahaha.
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Don't get me wrong, I'm not implying TS is delusional nor telling a half part story and i have no intention to find out the truth...

But she did mentioned British style upper middle class, read poems and classic literatures, wear skirts & high heel shoes from young age etc.... Or maybe there could be an interim part where her family went broken and thus suffered from starving at a later stage of her young adult life...

Anyway... I suppose we should just enjoy her story and learn from her points, a champion football manager doesn't have to be a champion football player at the same time, her pov doesn't have to be proven with her own life experience..
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Wow sounds like too many things to prepare for a rich guy....I guess love is not so simple huh @@


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wah.. still going strong this thread.. haha

not sure y RUI wanna keep on debating with her.. there is no way you will win in this debate. save ur time and move on with ur real life man
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QUOTE(piano_freak @ Jul 22 2018, 10:29 PM)
wah.. still going strong this thread.. haha

not sure y RUI wanna keep on debating with her.. there is no way you will win in this debate. save ur time and move on with ur real life man
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Too much frustration in my real life. My mum always tell me, "傻人有傻扶“. Cant agree more.
i try to be stupid here and see if I can hv some fun.

Can you imagine if I do all that in real life? That fella will literally either go berserk or call in sick tmr.
So, come in here...create s strawman out of one of the few stupid thread in here and beat the crap out of it.

Fuhhhh...what a therapy.
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QUOTE(Ralna @ Jul 21 2018, 09:54 PM)
You really have a problem with accepting the fact that women like financial security, and some women like to marry rich men.

Don't be so idealistic. The pure love you are trying to seek, is rare. See how many marriages end in divorces when $$$ is lacking.

You are single with no family commitments yet. Wait till you get married, or wanna get married.

Perhaps then, and only then, you will realise: Single men are fantasied with the idea that love is everything. Married men will know it's not.
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I think your statement women like financial security applies more to women who aren't financially capable themselves. I believe that financially capable women, whether self-made or family, would prioritize someone who really loves them and have good qualities, instead of finding someone rich as the main factor.

In case you didn't know, rich men tend to cheat more because they are more financially capable to do so, and because many women are attracted to their money.

QUOTE(Ralna @ Jul 22 2018, 01:34 PM)
Alright then, a poor girl should never ever think/aim to marry a rich man, even if he pursues her; otherwise, she's a gold digger.

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That's the definition of a gold-digger, being with someone primarily because of his or her money. If a poor girl marries a rich man because of love and not because of money, then she isn't a gold-digger.
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QUOTE(fooym @ Jul 22 2018, 04:03 PM)
Hi TS,

Read some of the replies by you and the others. It is indeed interesting.

You taught us that life is full with ups and downs. You shown a good example to all of us. It is inspiring too to know what you have done to overcome your hardship. Make no mistake, you are well-deserved to be where you are now. Everything is moving in the right direction for you right now and we are happy for you.

However, just my point of view. It really goes back to your intention behind creating this post in the first place. Some considerations as below for you to ponder.

1) There are readers who come to this forum seeking for emotional supports/ words of encouragement. They want to know that they are not the only one in this world that face hardship in life. They feel better believing that they are not alone and this feeling actually creates positive energy within them, which is very critical in helping them to overcome their problems.

2) I have to believe that this is your true intention behind creating this first post. You want to help others. Given your history and bad childhood experiences, you want to lay a message that things will turn around if we set clear goals and put in our best efforts to realise the goals. Nothing comes easy and we have to work hard (harder than anyone else) if we want to have a better life in the future. Cant agree more with this.

3) However, there were some replies or yours that drawn negative feedback from the readers. To a certain extent, i too felt that you were "trying" too hard and some readers here might not feel your true intention (which is to help and encourage others). Things like you mentioned on your achievements in your early twenties (i.e. achieve that at the age of 23, own a house at 24, etc.) might not be worth mentioning if it led others to misunderstand your good intention. You see, people would actually envy the good things you have now, rather than appreciating what you have been through to be where you are right now.

4) Therefore, it will be really helpful if you continue to share your life experiences, useful tips and wonderful quotes, so that we can learn more from you and take you as a good example. But it is also important if you can bring out your messages in a more humble way. I believe that will bring you to more great things in life in the future.

5) I hope you all the best in everything you do.
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Hi, fooym (& also other readers).

Thanks for the time to write your feedback. I really appreciate it.

1) & 2) Yes, I am aware of that. The purpose of this thread, as controversial as the topic may be, is to actually show that if you wanna pursue what you want in life, you gotta pay the price for it.

It is a social reality that there are many gold-diggers in the real world out there, and many young ladies & college students have signed up to be sugar babies, for whatever reasons they may have.

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Back to topic, we can't eliminate gold-diggers, but at least, this thread has provided an alternative way for them to see how marrying a rich man can be done, without getting into the flesh trade or becoming sugar babies. I didn't sell myself for money although I experienced poverty; could have easily done that, but didn't.

FYI, TheSugarBook has 200,000 members across Malaysia, Singapore, Hong Kong, the US and Thailand to date. That's just one of those platforms, and the figure is growing every year. You can point your finger at these women, but remember who creates the demand, and pays for it-- men.


3) I did that on purpose (mentioning achievements). I could have chosen not to mention that in response to the forumer. Remember, I'm a strategic thinker, I understand human nature well, and I do things with a purpose.

Yes, people get uncomfortable/ misunderstood, but why?

We all experience jealousy/envy, but not all of us admit it. For example, when you see your friends posting about their glamorous life on FB or IG, or about their wedding, bf/husband, babies, expensive presents etc. There are generally 3 types of responses:

- 1st type, you sincerely feel happy for them and congratulate them
- 2nd type, you like the post or congratulate them, but deep inside, you have some sour feelings. How sour is that, you know.
- 3rd type, you don't like or comment at all, just scroll and ignore, and think "Show Off!", and probably unfollow your friend after that, if he/she keeps posting such stuffs.

How you deal with your jealousy of other people's happiness, success and achievements, is an important indicator of your emotional health and self-esteem.

If you can't even take a forumer's one-line mention of achievements (out of the many posts written), well, imagine how you will react to FB & IG posts, on a daily basis.... Not to mention LinkedIn, plenty of self-praising posts there, written by high-flyers.

People choose to react here (lash it out on "Ralna", in this case), because they can't do that in real life. Coz if they do so, they lose friends and connections. They suffer the consequences. Here in forum, ID is anonymous. People can put on their worst behaviour, get away with it, and feel damn good after that.

That is false pleasure. The jealousy is still there, the insecurity and low self-esteem is still there. The more you feel, the more lack you have-- whether you admit it or not. To deny your own flaw is easy, but to admit and accept it is difficult, not to mention working on it. But the thing is, as long as you don't see your own flaws, or admit them, you cannot heal emotionally, coz you can't work on them. You can't move on in life.

As I write this, I know it is uncomfortable to read. I'm not writing this to criticise anyone, coz I myself went through this, so I know how it feels like. This is my another story:

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4) I hope my above sharing will give people some ideas about overcoming jealousy. Jealousy is very common, actually. It's one of our negative human emotions, like anger and sadness.

& the thing is, the more successful/beautiful you wanna be, you need to be aware of this: 不招人妒是庸才 (There are gonna be haters). Just look at those Youtube celebs, Insta celebs and FB ones, you'll know how many haters they have-- probably as many as admirers they have.

So, as you aim for success in life, be it in career or other aspects, be ready for others to dislike/hate you. You can't please everyone, and there's no need to, either. What's more important is: Those people who matter to you, like you and support you. If you don't even have that, you got a prob. Fix yourself then.


5) Thank you. Same to you, I wish you all the best in life too. Feel free to pm if you feel like it, or need to. You seem to be a nice person to know. ^^



& for those who have been following this thread, thank you for the attention (and participation). I'm sure this thread has sparked lots of interesting thoughts and different emotions.

Glad you guys had fun, coz I did. Cheers! thumbsup.gif

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QUOTE(Ralna @ Jul 23 2018, 04:19 AM)
Hi, fooym (& also other readers).

Thanks for the time to write your feedback. I really appreciate it.
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Back to topic, we can't eliminate gold-diggers, but at least, this thread has provided an alternative way for them to see how marrying a rich man can be done, without getting into the flesh trade or becoming sugar babies. I didn't sell myself for money although I experienced poverty; could have easily done that, but didn't.

FYI, TheSugarBook has 200,000 members across Malaysia, Singapore, Hong Kong, the US and Thailand to date. That's just one of those platforms, and the figure is growing every year. You can point your finger at these women, but remember who creates the demand, and pays for it-- men.
3) I did that on purpose (mentioning achievements). I could have chosen not to mention that in response to the forumer. Remember, I'm a strategic thinker, I understand human nature well, and I do things with a purpose.

Yes, people get uncomfortable/ misunderstood, but why?

We all experience jealousy/envy, but not all of us admit it. For example, when you see your friends posting about their glamorous life on FB or IG, or about their wedding, bf/husband, babies, expensive presents etc. There are generally 3 types of responses:

- 1st type, you sincerely feel happy for them and congratulate them
- 2nd type, you like the post or congratulate them, but deep inside, you have some sour feelings. How sour is that, you know.
- 3rd type, you don't like or comment at all, just scroll and ignore, and think "Show Off!", and probably unfollow your friend after that, if he/she keeps posting such stuffs.

How you deal with your jealousy of other people's happiness, success and achievements, is an important indicator of your emotional health and self-esteem.

If you can't even take a forumer's one-line mention of achievements (out of the many posts written), well, imagine how you will react to FB & IG posts, on a daily basis.... Not to mention LinkedIn, plenty of self-praising posts there, written by high-flyers.

People choose to react here (lash it out on "Ralna", in this case), because they can't do that in real life. Coz if they do so, they lose friends and connections. They suffer the consequences. Here in forum, ID is anonymous. People can put on their worst behaviour, get away with it, and feel damn good after that.

That is false pleasure. The jealousy is still there, the insecurity and low self-esteem is still there. The more you feel, the more lack you have-- whether you admit it or not. To deny your own flaw is easy, but to admit and accept it is difficult, not to mention working on it. But the thing is, as long as you don't see your own flaws, or admit them, you cannot heal emotionally, coz you can't work on them. You can't move on in life.

As I write this, I know it is uncomfortable to read. I'm not writing this to criticise anyone, coz I myself went through this, so I know how it feels like. This is my another story:

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Good morning, looks like you were up at night. And wow a lengthy good write. Keep up the positivity and it's seems the good thoughts carried and meant well for formers here. Some may find it a challenge, others will take advice in good with good note weather they agree 100 % or not. I think the forum title is a little click bait but in all yes the advice to ladies, marry a man with potential to make a good life n not a slacker, a selfish man. (I would add more but I'm tired, and sleepy)
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QUOTE(Selectt @ Jul 22 2018, 11:13 AM)
wah where? this thread is still continuing debating in her "world".

hahaha.
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Haha.. she should just stay in her own sweet world feeling great about it, no point sharing it. But I really salute her for seeing anyone challenging her as envy/jealous about her. I wish I can have such attitude of shiok sendiri. smile.gif

Yes, we have lots of forumer speaking out their problem, behaving like a loser. But all they need is some useful advise on how to move on, and I never see any ladies asking ways to marry rich man here. And another post advising how to secure a date (kind of title), is more suitable to be how to win her as a date or how to date her, to be specific.

I am not good in debate at all, but I hope guys won't have any wrong perception that all ladies are born with this mindset. And I wish good luck to those ladies who looking into behaving this way, wish you could hook up a man just like her fiance. As it needs another set of luck to bump into the right guy.

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post Jul 23 2018, 10:59 AM

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"How much money a month is considered comfortable to you, at current inflation. For the purpose of discussion, say the inflation remains flat at 0%."

If I am single, I think RM5000-10k is good enough, coz that was my previous income.

If I am married, the household income should be RM15k+ a month, especially if we have children.

If we are self-employed/ doing biz, I think a decent amount would be RM20-50k. Anything more than that, I think it's considered excess.

My preference is to be in the upper middle class. I don't aim for owning supercars, or private jets, or Birkin bags etc. They don't interest me much. But I'd love to stay in a semi-D or bungalow, and travel around the world as much as I want.

& when I see charity causes, I can donate as much as I like, be it RM50, 100, 500, 1000, or 10k to help the poor and the needy.

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When you are poor, you cannot have the freedom and mobility to do all these.

But when you are rich, you can live as to how you want. You can either stay frugal, or be extravagant, or somewhere in between.

You have the freedom to choose.... and that itself is a luxury already, to the poor.
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I think these criteria are not too far-fetched, its not even to be in the rich category

many young professional couples in KL can achieve rm15k++ income a month
business with rm50k revenue per month? even mamak can do that

since you yourself already in that category, what is there you wish to achieve further? in terms of monetary

there are many people who willingly relinquish their high earning job and chose to serve the community, need no look further, just look at our MP/DUNs in PH, eg Tony Pua and Rafizi, both are capable to earn more than 5 digits, had they not chose to join the then opposition, but chose to be exposed to risks from getting imprisoned, exposed to the tear gas, went to lockups during previous administration. There are also many capable doctors/engineers/lawyers which chose to serve in public sector, instead of accepting the otherwise lucrative offer in private sector. What are your view on these people?




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hmm.... the rich guys i know are rather simple human beings, like simple & normal ladies as well....some are so freaking humble one wont even know they r rich...i have one fren practically worked in a cybercafe during college time and didnt even own an old car, lived in a shared room, eat in mamak stalls with me and gang je....years later only i know he is a tycoon's son.....the lady of his choice, look and brains like a normal lady too.....no atas atas at all...

but of coz these are probably the hidden ones la...if one really wanna look for one, then one might need to do what TS did to hook up with one maybe? but isnt it too much hassle to always need to keep up with him? Need to be everything he "wants" you to be......so if one day i lose my looks, my intelligence and etc....i will be losing him too? Sad isnt it to exchange that for money especially when it usually happens when i am old and grey.....sumore if divorce i dont even get his 50%......issit worth it then? hehe...okla...i probably need to calculate how much i can sapu kau kau during the time he is crazily inlove with my beauty and brains.....
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I guess this is life experience sharing. Everyone has their own issues and solutions. TS is just sharing hers, might hit all the bells and whistles for some, might not for others. I did do things that are popular and some emm... not so popular before. Either way, it enriches one's approach and outlook on life itself. It's a lifelong journey and you only have one of them. Great sharing!... along with great responses too!

I for one think Mahatma Gandhi is rich... in his own way biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(spilocke @ Jul 23 2018, 05:35 PM)
I guess this is life experience sharing. Everyone has their own issues and solutions. TS is just sharing hers, might hit all the bells and whistles for some, might not for others. I did do things that are popular and some emm... not so popular before. Either way, it enriches one's approach and outlook on life itself. It's a lifelong journey and you only have one of them. Great sharing!... along with great responses too!

I for one think Mahatma Gandhi is rich... in his own way biggrin.gif
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Precisely
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QUOTE(Ralna @ Jul 23 2018, 03:19 AM)
Hi, fooym (& also other readers).

Thanks for the time to write your feedback. I really appreciate it.

1) & 2) Yes, I am aware of that. The purpose of this thread, as controversial as the topic may be, is to actually show that if you wanna pursue what you want in life, you gotta pay the price for it.

It is a social reality that there are many gold-diggers in the real world out there, and many young ladies & college students have signed up to be sugar babies, for whatever reasons they may have.

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Back to topic, we can't eliminate gold-diggers, but at least, this thread has provided an alternative way for them to see how marrying a rich man can be done, without getting into the flesh trade or becoming sugar babies. I didn't sell myself for money although I experienced poverty; could have easily done that, but didn't.

FYI, TheSugarBook has 200,000 members across Malaysia, Singapore, Hong Kong, the US and Thailand to date. That's just one of those platforms, and the figure is growing every year. You can point your finger at these women, but remember who creates the demand, and pays for it-- men.
3) I did that on purpose (mentioning achievements). I could have chosen not to mention that in response to the forumer. Remember, I'm a strategic thinker, I understand human nature well, and I do things with a purpose.

Yes, people get uncomfortable/ misunderstood, but why?

We all experience jealousy/envy, but not all of us admit it. For example, when you see your friends posting about their glamorous life on FB or IG, or about their wedding, bf/husband, babies, expensive presents etc. There are generally 3 types of responses:

- 1st type, you sincerely feel happy for them and congratulate them
- 2nd type, you like the post or congratulate them, but deep inside, you have some sour feelings. How sour is that, you know.
- 3rd type, you don't like or comment at all, just scroll and ignore, and think "Show Off!", and probably unfollow your friend after that, if he/she keeps posting such stuffs.

How you deal with your jealousy of other people's happiness, success and achievements, is an important indicator of your emotional health and self-esteem.

If you can't even take a forumer's one-line mention of achievements (out of the many posts written), well, imagine how you will react to FB & IG posts, on a daily basis.... Not to mention LinkedIn, plenty of self-praising posts there, written by high-flyers.

People choose to react here (lash it out on "Ralna", in this case), because they can't do that in real life. Coz if they do so, they lose friends and connections. They suffer the consequences. Here in forum, ID is anonymous. People can put on their worst behaviour, get away with it, and feel damn good after that.

That is false pleasure. The jealousy is still there, the insecurity and low self-esteem is still there. The more you feel, the more lack you have-- whether you admit it or not. To deny your own flaw is easy, but to admit and accept it is difficult, not to mention working on it. But the thing is, as long as you don't see your own flaws, or admit them, you cannot heal emotionally, coz you can't work on them. You can't move on in life.

As I write this, I know it is uncomfortable to read. I'm not writing this to criticise anyone, coz I myself went through this, so I know how it feels like. This is my another story:

» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «


4) I hope my above sharing will give people some ideas about overcoming jealousy. Jealousy is very common, actually. It's one of our negative human emotions, like anger and sadness.

& the thing is, the more successful/beautiful you wanna be, you need to be aware of this: 不招人妒是庸才 (There are gonna be haters). Just look at those Youtube celebs, Insta celebs and FB ones, you'll know how many haters they have-- probably as many as admirers they have.

So, as you aim for success in life, be it in career or other aspects, be ready for others to dislike/hate you. You can't please everyone, and there's no need to, either. What's more important is: Those people who matter to you, like you and support you. If you don't even have that, you got a prob. Fix yourself then.
5) Thank you. Same to you, I wish you all the best in life too. Feel free to pm if you feel like it, or need to. You seem to be a nice person to know. ^^
& for those who have been following this thread, thank you for the attention (and participation). I'm sure this thread has sparked lots of interesting thoughts and different emotions.

Glad you guys had fun, coz I did. Cheers!  :thumbsup:
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Heya! Thanks for the light! I’ve been wondering how to continue improving myself further not to mention for rich man, but is for myself .what books recommend,or maybe we should pm :/

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https://mothership.sg/2018/07/louis-vuitton...g-relationship/

What do you girls or women think about this man who bought the LV bag for his GF, a modern day Prince Charming.

Someone who is willing to go the extra mile for his partner.

He is not rich but has drive and ambition influence by his GF.

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QUOTE(cfa28 @ Jul 23 2018, 07:03 PM)
https://mothership.sg/2018/07/louis-vuitton...g-relationship/

What do you girls or women think about this man who bought the LV bag for his GF, a modern day Prince Charming.

Someone who is willing to go the extra mile for his partner.

He is not rich but has drive and ambition influence by his GF.
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Just a LV bag and do he really needs to post so much photos on social media? Not to sure to seek attention that he got the money to do that because of AMWAY or really wanna be the charming prince. laugh.gif

For someone who drives a Merc, a LV bag is just something affordable. Now only get her LV bag ah? Either he acts like he is rich (using so much cash of different values to get the bag, why don't just use card?) or he is just stingy tongue.gif

I always respect men who willing to go extra miles for his partner, be it mortgage, bags, clothes, car or anything else. For instance, although I have friends who never buy her partner flowers, he willing to pay for the car and house. Because he is someone who appreciates her partner and hope that she gets the best shelter he can ever afford. And I never see he posts up 10+ photos of him holding the house key or car key also.
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ts,


browse through your thread and seems like a love expert. you lonely?

I think mens are most interesting at mid 40s to 50s


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QUOTE(cfa28 @ Jul 23 2018, 07:03 PM)
https://mothership.sg/2018/07/louis-vuitton...g-relationship/

What do you girls or women think about this man who bought the LV bag for his GF, a modern day Prince Charming.

Someone who is willing to go the extra mile for his partner.

He is not rich but has drive and ambition influence by his GF.
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Buy LV for GF consider as modern day Prince Charming? Then lots of old Prince Charming in town.. and any girl can claim an LV bag, as long as she willing to let the man claim her tongue.gif
Actually it is really not hard for a girl to get guys who are capable enough to spend on her. Those born "not bad" but easy going enough will get rich guy attention, those born with a bit "lack of" but if she willing to behave like a tiny loveable empress can still get into some rich folks wallet. But is just the matter of how the upbringing of the girl, what are the places she hangout, whether there is exposure to those rich and famous group. Though some ppl keep mentioning youngster nowadays are very open in making friends, but I still believe there are many good girls with good family upbringing that they avoided places that are not for their status, trying to hook up with rich and famous.

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QUOTE(Ralna @ Jul 18 2018, 07:03 PM)
If you wanna marry a rich man, you gotta have the qualities that they want, and be as perfect as possible. You gotta work on yourself first.

Based on my experience & feedback from them, their checklist of ideal wife material is as follows:

1) Appearance (tall, pretty, attractive) -- presentable when bringing her to attend biz functions
2) Brain (intelligent, ambitious, highly educated) -- to be their partner, and help them in biz & career
3) Filial to his parents -- most of them are the only/eldest son, so what their mum thinks of their woman is very important
4) Can be a good mum -- they want to produce the best offspring
5) Talented -- have other hobbies or talents, e.g. singing, dancing, cooking, socialising etc

It took me 5 years sweat.gif to perfect myself so that I could attract the men I want. Yeah, I stayed single & unavailable for many years, just to polish myself to near-perfection.

How did I do it?

In terms of looks, I have spent nearly RM50k in the past few years on various skincare treatments to look beautiful, such as going for facials, mani/pedicure, hair treatments (rebonding, colouring), doing my eyebrows, lips, skin hair removal & polishing, body massages etc. Yeah, I look naturally pretty without any makeup; no need to edit photos too. With makeup, I look way more gorgeous. (Yeah, spent so much $$$, will of coz look fabulous.)

On a side note, a woman being able to spend RM10k a year on beauty enhancements without getting bankrupt or in bad debt is a sign of high earning power & prudent financial management. Men find rich/high-earning women attractive too, so be one. (Yeah, easier said than done, but can be done.)

Having good looks alone is not enough. If you are an empty flower vase = look good on the outside but have nothing solid inside, rich men will lose interest fast, coz you're no different from those hot chicks they meet.

So yeah, I spent lots of time reading books, esp. biz, finance, investments etc ("dry & boring" for most women), so that I know what to chat with them, and impress them. Then I also developed side interests, and learnt how to cook delicious meals, sing songs etc. & I work out to shape & tone my body; going to be age 30 but still look around mid-20s. 

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Hard work does pay off.

The outcome? Attracted many high-earning professionals, and went on dates with them. (Birds of a feather flock together  wink.gif)

Also attracted several rich men, who pursued/proposed to me:

1) M, eldest son of a bizman who owns a transportation company. Lives in double-storey semi-D, now runs his father's company. Stole my first kiss without consent. Yeah, punched him after that, but he was still happy.

2) L, eldest son of a bizman who owns a timber lodging company. Lives in double-storey bungalow, drove a Mercedez to fetch me at my house before, for an expensive lunch date. Confessed to me and wished to bring me home to meet his parents.

3) C, only son of a rich family, lives in single-storey bungalow, works in Oil & Gas, earning 5-digit MYR a month. Came to my house one late night (around 10pm+) to give me a box of imported chocolates. Parents are family friends.

4) W, only son of a rich biz family, studied in the U.K. Lives in a bungalow, inherits his family business to supply automobile parts to major car manufacturers. Wished to bring me home to meet his parents.

5) K, eldest son of a rich biz family, studied in the U.K. Inherited family wealth, earning 5-digit SGD a month. We're engaged now. Our anniversary trip this year is to Phuket, pre-wedding photoshoot will be in Taiwan, and the reception + honeymoon (destination wedding) will be in Maldives ← he suggested these countries.

Btw, I'm not working currently; he's supporting me financially. I have 1-2 years to relax and go travel, and upgrade myself to tip-top condition so that we can start own biz and family. He and I have discussed earning in MYR and also in USD, and sending our kids to international school.

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When you become the best, you will deserve the best. I didn't come from a rich family; was poor and starving before, but I worked hard to the top in terms of studies and career. That made me into a confident and ambitious lady, and not just sit there dressed in rags with self-pity, and passively waiting & daydreaming for some prince to rescue me. Nah, it doesn't happen that way in real life.

A few things to take note:

Firstly, rich guys don't like it when girls covet their wealth. They can easily sense if you are after them, or after their money. Money is important, but greed and materialism is a huge turn-off.

Secondly, of course, not all of us have the luck to meet/date rich men. It depends on the social circles/social class you are in. If you life is confined to just work and home, then chances are, you ain't gonna meet any of them. You need to actively go out and express yourself, be it in events or gatherings, or online.

Thirdly, it's not easy to manage wealth and multiply it. If you only wanna be a rich tai-tai who can't help much in your husband's biz/career, chances are, years down the road, you're out of the game, as you become liability and no longer asset. With great power (privileges) comes great responsibility and expectations.

Fourthly, if you're dating a guy who is earning an average income, please develop his potential and push him to success. Your aspiration, dreams and energy level can fuel his ambition to give you the life both of you want -- enjoy comfort without worry, and perhaps, a life of luxury one day. Don't just sit there and complain about him (look down on him and make him feel like a loser) when you yourself have done nothing much to upgrade yourself. It must go both ways/ reciprocal. In order to receive, you need to give first. Sow first, and reap later.

Btw, if a man feels he can't catch up on you, he'll either level up his game to be on par with you (great!), or feel insecure enough to let you go/ become controlling.

Lastly, love a man not for his money, but for his personality, his character, dreams and ambitions, and earning potential. The truly rich man is one who can lose everything, smile and start all over again, and earn the same pot of gold in a decade or two. Now that is what I call true wealth. thumbsup.gif

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OK, done sharing my part. Feel free to add on any tips and comments. No trolls pls; it's annoying. 

Btw, if you're a rich guy, feel free to share what you think/ what qualities you're looking for in a woman/ what type of women deserve you. & maybe give a tip or two about how you achieve success/ build wealth for our fellow forumers to learn from.
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So I have been around some rich 2nd generations and this is what I figured out about them.

I figured the type of woman they prefer really depends if they are english/internationally educated or chinese/locally educated.

Most of my friends are 80% english ed and 20% local ed.

English Ed rich guys
1. Would date those girls who wouldn't mind botox and are extremely skinny chinese type during their younger days because they have access to them through friend's circle perhaps. Usually the girls can't get along with their friends due to cultural differences - travel, movies, lifestyle. Most of these girls are pretty but not really well read and travelled. Even if they are, they are most likely well verse in chinese culture - kpop, korean cosmetics, etc. Not to generalize but it's how I would summarize it
2. For settling down, they go for someone whose a natural beauty but might have some "cosmetic flaw". Well they are pretty but not as pretty as those they used to date. But most of them look pass that and focus on the girl's career, brain, family background and generally being able to share the same interest. I think this has to do with english ed guys tend to marry after 30s.

Chinese Ed rich guys
1. Really simple actually. Would just date petite, slim, long hair, fair and as young as possible pretty girls. Then get married and have kids. They are usually in their 20s. Case close.
2. They wouldn't mind that they girl can't cook, converse or anything. Most of the time, men talk and woman look pretty. I mean I could be over generalizing but it's my observation.

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QUOTE(PhakFuhZai @ Jul 23 2018, 10:59 AM)
I think these criteria are not too far-fetched, its not even to be in the rich category

many young professional couples in KL can achieve rm15k++ income a month
business with rm50k revenue per month? even mamak can do that

since you yourself already in that category, what is there you wish to achieve further? in terms of monetary

there are many people who willingly relinquish their high earning job and chose to serve the community, need no look further, just look at our MP/DUNs in PH, eg Tony Pua and Rafizi, both are capable to earn more than 5 digits, had they not chose to join the then opposition, but chose to be exposed to risks from getting imprisoned, exposed to the tear gas, went to lockups during previous administration. There are also many capable doctors/engineers/lawyers which chose to serve in public sector, instead of accepting the otherwise lucrative offer in private sector. What are your view on these people?
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these criteria are not too far-fetched, its not even to be in the rich category
So what is your definition of rich, personally? Are you setting UHNWI (Ultra High Net Worth Individuals) as your benchmark?


what is there you wish to achieve further? in terms of monetary
I don't set a fixed figure to achieve. As needs and wants change as time passes and environment changes, I'm looking at earning at least 50-100% in excess to my expenditure. For example, if my expenditure is RM 8k a month, then I should be earning at least RM12k-16k a month. In other words, that's RM4k-8k in excess for saving & investing. I like this kind of financial security.


What are your view on these people?
It is their personal choice.

But, IMO, if you pursue your personal ambition and aspiration without much consideration for your own family needs (and expose them to danger), you are a failure no matter how successful you are outside.

What's the point of having a father who, for example, is an international medical doctor who volunteers his service FT to war-torn countries, when his own wife and children are suffering in the home country? Will you respect such a man?

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QUOTE(g r a p e k e y @ Jul 24 2018, 01:15 AM)
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browse through your thread and seems like a love expert. you lonely?

I think mens are most interesting at mid 40s to 50s
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Hi, grapekey.

Lonely as in... No friends? No sex? No men?
Nope, I don't think I'm lonely then. LOL.


Yes, middle-aged men are. Are you one? wink.gif



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1) What do you love about your bf?

2) What do you think your bf loves about you?
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Hi, grapekey.

Lonely as in... No friends? No sex? No men?
Nope, I don't think I'm lonely then. LOL.
Yes, middle-aged men are. Are you one?  wink.gif
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It's just a feeling. the way you write seems so but like u said, no

no I'm not


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QUOTE(Ralna @ Jul 24 2018, 12:49 PM)
these criteria are not too far-fetched, its not even to be in the rich category
So what is your definition of rich, personally? Are you setting UHNWI (Ultra High Net Worth Individuals) as your benchmark?
what is there you wish to achieve further? in terms of monetary
I don't set a fixed figure to achieve. As needs and wants change as time passes and environment changes, I'm looking at earning at least 50-100% in excess to my expenditure. For example, if my expenditure is RM 8k a month, then I should be earning at least RM12k-16k a month. In other words, that's RM4k-8k in excess for saving & investing. I like this kind of financial security.
What are your view on these people?
It is their personal choice.

But, IMO, if you pursue your personal ambition and aspiration without much consideration for your own family needs (and expose them to danger), you are a failure no matter how successful you are outside.

What's the point of having a father who, for example, is an international medical doctor who volunteers his service FT to war-torn countries, when his own wife and children are suffering in the home country? Will you respect such a man?
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you have "toned-down" your requirement in the last 2 page of the thread, from T20 dropped into M40
earning Rm16k isn't rich, its upper middle-class at most

those specialists working in HUKM and UMSC aren't as rich as those working in Gleneagle or Princecourt, but they are still making enough money to bring comfortable life to their family, minus some extreme luxuries of course

what would you think of your fiance, if he decided to start a LAC centre (http://www.kllac.com/all-state-lacs/) to offer free pro bono legal service to those in need? Or he decided to become a DPP in Malaysia? How would you make him "richer" in that sense?



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QUOTE(PhakFuhZai @ Jul 24 2018, 11:34 PM)
you have "toned-down" your requirement in the last 2 page of the thread, from T20 dropped into M40
earning Rm16k isn't rich, its upper middle-class at most

those specialists working in HUKM and UMSC aren't as rich as those working in Gleneagle or Princecourt, but they are still making enough money to bring comfortable life to their family, minus some extreme luxuries of course

what would you think of your fiance, if he decided to start a LAC centre (http://www.kllac.com/all-state-lacs/) to offer free pro bono legal service to those in need? Or he decided to become a DPP in Malaysia? How would you make him "richer" in that sense?
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Well, I never said I aimed for T20, did I? But somehow people made those assumptions based on their own definition of 'rich'. If you look at my first post itself, those who pursued me are mainly from the upper-middle class, either self-employed or salaried. Otherwise, they would have come to pick me up in supercars and jets.

& I think, if one's definition of rich is T20, then will one ever be contented with what one has?


My fiance volunteered his services before, and I have also encouraged him to do so.

Say, if he goes full-fledged for such, how would I make him "richer" in that sense? I replied that Post #216, but somehow, people didn't like that answer. You can read back, and perhaps suggest a better solution.


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1) What do you love about your bf?

2) What do you think your bf loves about you?
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I met him on LYN, actually, while discussing politics and education in another sub-forum. Replies became pm, pm became emails, emails became WhatsApp, WhatsApp became meet up. We spent 3-6 hours a day, communicating with each other online. The first time he phoned me, it was 3 hours long. Then, every night, 2 to 6 hours, the longest. Yeah, we could chat non-stop and never get bored of each other.

When we finally met up a month later (well, he came all the way from SG), it was love at first sight. It felt as if we had known each other for years, and there was no awkwardness in between. We became lovey-dovey couple. I believe it's fated, coz we also look alike in terms of facial features (夫妻相). My friends, parents, relatives... yeah, when they saw our photos, they were like, "Wow, you two have that couple look. You share similar facial features, gaze and smile." wub.gif

Till today, almost 2 years together, we're still very much in love with each other despite whatever quarrels we've had. Yeah, even when we quarrel, it won't last for more than 2 days. & though we quarrel, we still call each other 'darling' 'honey' 'sweety', not other nasty nicknames. LOL. We still chat a lot, every day. It never gets boring.

So, if you ask me or him why we love each other so much, that's because we're fated and simply made for each other. There's this mental, emotional and physical intimacy that we share so deeply with each other that can't be easily replaced by someone else.

That's the loving side. On a more realistic side, yes, I fulfill his checklist as an ideal wife, while he fulfills mine too = there's compatibility. Marriage is not just about love, it also involves rights and obligations between both spouses = commitments.


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Here, post #67 ..
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Why u so kepo rclxs0.gif , was still enjoying the story telling laugh.gif .

Anyway good story. Keep it up laugh.gif .
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How about rich men , once a single day he getting poor, for example his business failed.

What is TS planing in that day?
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indeed i find woman with high earning at young age very attractive
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Why u so kepo rclxs0.gif , was still enjoying the story telling laugh.gif .

Anyway good story. Keep it up laugh.gif .
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Oii...i believe TS is telling the truth of her own
It is just pov that makes the difference we r seeing
And time changes our pov too in case u haven't notice
It has been probably a year or close since TS moved to SG
Anyway congradz to TS with her happy upper class life in SG
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QUOTE(Ralna @ Jul 21 2018, 02:20 AM)
Yes, I also doubt I would ever be satisfied with what I have achieved so far on my own. If born into more privileged family with the best nurturing, perhaps, I could go even further in life, or maybe not, coz I'd end up being a spoilt brat. We won't know.  hmm.gif
I think I repeated that many times before, whether I actually aim to marry someone rich. See this reply, again, quoting Post#11 & Post#20:
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To be more specific, I want to marry a man who has winner mindset. See Point 5, first post:
Such a man has my highest and utmost respect. I adore such men to the core. I worship them, read their biographies, like them on FB, follow their news, and subscribe to their LinkedIn too.

If I had met such a man, who was at his lowest point in life, I would have been the woman who earned that pot of gold with him. I was poor before, but I managed to rise up from poverty and misery. My emotional strength in times of his lowest point of life, will also be his emotional strength. I want to be that woman.

Isn't that what marriage vow is for? "For better, for worse, for richer, for poorer, in sickness and in health, to love and to cherish, till death do us part"

I have not said this vow to my fiance in public, but we said it to each other, already.  wub.gif
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u are very smart and far sighted. i can tell you in today society not many think like you.
to put it in short, you want to marry an alpha, a lion king
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QUOTE(doomgoy @ Jul 26 2018, 10:12 AM)
Sounds like horseshit to me. That post doesn't align with post 16 here. I've felt her stories were embellished here but I wasn't certain until you showed us that post.
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The theory of cognitive dissonance suggested that ppl strive for psychological consistency in order to mentally function in the real world, it happens to everyone of us, by adjusting/changing/inducing pov, believes, memory, actions and so on to minimize the magnitude of cognitive dissonance, aka contradictions
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Both my bf and I are the romantic type. I think it's because of our upbringing and social class, i.e. British-style upper-middle class. If you know me in real life, I'm a lady and I grew up wearing dresses, blouses and skirts and heels from young, was taught to speak softly and gently, and act prim and proper, while he's a gentleman and was taught to respect women & be refined. When we first dated, he sent me love poems that use 'thee, thou, thine' (Early Modern English), which I thought was romantic. LOL. Well, we both like classic literature.

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QUOTE(doomgoy @ Jul 26 2018, 10:12 AM)
Sounds like horseshit to me. That post doesn't align with post 16 here. I've felt her stories were embellished here but I wasn't certain until you showed us that post.
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rclxub.gif i thought she was brought up in a poor family, with troubled skin and poor health due to excessive working to survive......is poor=upper middle british style?
well i guess poor can be different in diff pov? hmm.gif
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QUOTE(pml_318 @ Jul 26 2018, 08:03 AM)
wah this thread still continues.. and good job for finding this link.

I already know her story is bollock because she tries to defend her "theory" using her life story. When one starting use his/her life story to defend/enforce whatever she is preaching or telling, bullshit like this WILL appear because no one know the truth.

but meh, being the simple minded me, i always look at the point she is stating.

1) Sharing her life story to empower woman to learn things or two, I do appreciate it.
2) Educate woman to attract rich guys solely based on looks, reading few books or two is so superficial and totally not acceptable for woman to learn. You want learn to be rich man's toy and later they finish playing you and dump you like rubbish, then it is entirely up to you.

End of the day, a sheep disguise as tiger is still a sheep.
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QUOTE(Ralna @ Jul 18 2018, 10:04 PM)
Thanks, BrendonStar.

Well, my background? It's very sad actually.

I grew up in an abusive, broken family, which was also poor because family asset was frozen by gov; grandpa died without leaving a will. My parents could only afford the basic minimum.

From young, I didn't have any pocket money, so I often had to borrow from my classmates. Yeah, could never forget how they insulted me, "Har? You're so poor meh? Why need to borrow RM1?"

That was humiliation. So I'd rather starve myself sometimes. I also stole before, coz I was too hungry. I grew up having a weak body, always fainted in school coz of hypoglycemia (low blood sugar) and anemia (looked pale).

I realised the importance of money when I was 14 y.o. It was flag day (fund-raising for uniformed body), so my friends and I went around to ask for donation. Then there was this old man, in the hawker centre, said, "讨什么讨,自己不会去赚啊?!" ("beg money for what, go earn it yourself!"). Then he spat on the ground.

Ever since then, I swore to myself to get rich. I had enough of poverty. It was a nightmare.

I was the only one from my hometown who made it to University of Malaya; first-choice course and first-choice uni. Took PTPTN, worked part-time while studying, about 40 hours a week, Monday to Saturday. Sunday was the only day I had to study for tests & finish my assignments for 6-8 subjects. That was my life for a few years, even while doing postgrad studies.

I don't want my children to suffer like me anymore, so I want them to have the best mother (and father) they can ever have. This includes giving them the best environment they can grow up in. All this requires $$$.

That's the other side of my story. In front, I look glamorous, beautiful and successful, but behind, all scars. Can't wipe away my past, but can move on to better future. Tears can't solve problems, but actions can. People can sympathize and emphatize, but it is you yourself who have to do something to change your fate.

If you guys have never been through all these, then don't judge easily. It only shows your ignorance.
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QUOTE(Ralna @ Oct 15 2017, 11:14 AM)
Haha... well, coz I understand men better than most women. The way men think and behave, feel and express is very different from women's, so yeah, I actually read plenty of books, articles and watch videos to understand men so that I can better manage the relationship.

While for guys, it's kinda challenging to understand women better, coz women experience something called mood swing & PMS, and they use hints and cues in communication.

Hard work, bro.  biggrin.gif
Not all guys like romantic dates. Some guys would feel uneasy to date formally in a posh restaurant, with proper dining etiquette and social dance.

Both my bf and I are the romantic type. I think it's because of our upbringing and social class, i.e. British-style upper-middle class. If you know me in real life, I'm a lady and I grew up wearing dresses, blouses and skirts and heels from young, was taught to speak softly and gently, and act prim and proper, while he's a gentleman and was taught to respect women & be refined. When we first dated, he sent me love poems that use 'thee, thou, thine' (Early Modern English), which I thought was romantic. LOL. Well, we both like classic literature.

So yeah, romantic dates also depend on what both partners interpret as 'romantic'.
He and I have discussed this. I told him I need a nanny to help take care of children. On my part, I have a few years to build my career & diversify income sources. I told him I would work part-time/ work from home/ freelance (been there, done that; earning more than a full-time job). Plus I'm financially literate while he's a high income earner. I'll be managing my own money and part of his money to plan ahead for our babies, so no problem. smile.gif
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Ralna Care to explain this? Bet you had lots of fun along the way.

sweet_pez I noticed that you have a soft spot for females mostly all this while. I hope this time you will act unbiasedly in delivering judgement?
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There is no need for anyone to explain anything lah.

Read with many pinches of salt and most life stories are fake anyway and who really cares about it.

Its not against the law to lie on Lowyat forum and anyone who believe TS story.. they are just gullible.

However moderator should not defend any forumer who gets shot for posting such stories or warn those who speak against such stories

I have warned against any woman who thinks that they can follow TS advice and bag / marry a rich man.
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QUOTE(pml_318 @ Jul 26 2018, 10:00 AM)
Oii...i believe TS is telling the truth of her own
It is just pov that makes the difference we r seeing
And time changes our pov too in case u haven't notice
It has been probably a year or close since TS moved to SG
Anyway congradz to TS with her happy upper class life in SG
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QUOTE(doomgoy @ Jul 26 2018, 10:12 AM)
Sounds like horseshit to me. That post doesn't align with post 16 here. I've felt her stories were embellished here but I wasn't certain until you showed us that post.
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QUOTE(pml_318 @ Jul 26 2018, 10:26 AM)
The theory of cognitive dissonance suggested that ppl strive for psychological consistency in order to mentally function in the real world, it happens to everyone of us, by adjusting/changing/inducing pov, believes, memory, actions and so on to minimize the magnitude of cognitive dissonance, aka contradictions
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QUOTE(mIssfROGY @ Jul 26 2018, 11:11 AM)
rclxub.gif i thought she was brought up in a poor family, with troubled skin and poor health due to excessive working to survive......is poor=upper middle british style?
well i guess poor can be different in diff pov?  hmm.gif
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You guys are so cute.

What I've written in this thread/in other threads... is real. I'd say it's 95% real/ on-the-surface info + 5% of behind-the-scene/ P&C. But the info given here is more like jigsaw-puzzles here and there, with missing pieces; it's not the full story, from A to Z.

As for the cognitive dissonance, yeah, we all experience it in a way, but I attribute my contractions to my personality type, which I've already mentioned in Post#205 = dropping the hint.

But most people didn't get that hint, so I'll just explain here, since a few of you have raised the question. Here you go:

FYI, "INFJ personality type is rare and complex, about 1% of population. This makes it hard for others to understand them. One of the reasons INFJ personality type is so difficult to understand is that many of their characteristics seem completely contradictory. They have many qualities that appear like a contradiction to others, but truly make sense when they are deconstructed. For many experts, the INFJ personality type is not only the most surprising but also the most baffling dimension of the Myers-Briggs Type Indicator (MBTI) typology of personalities." (quoted from diff. sources; can google the key phrases)

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I'm 29 years old. Break it down, many changes can happen from age 7 onwards, so that's 22 years of life stories (including poverty & wealth)...which only my fiance knows of, fully. He's the only one I allow to dissect me.

"INFJ’s are like onions -- They have layers, and only a select few are ever privy to see all those layers. Do not expect to peel back their layers overnight- that can take months, even years before they trust you that much."

Yup, which explains why most people rclxub.gif rclxub.gif rclxub.gif when they meet any INFJ. Even my fiance experienced this... made him pening kepala (but in a nice way), and sometimes he feels like he's talking to 2 ladies, instead of one.

That's because INFJ can dissociate themselves:

"Because of their strength of intuition, many INFJs report feeling like aliens in the world. One INFJ described her experience as a constant feeling of deja vu. Others report feelings of disembodiment. The fact is that many INFJs (and INTJs) seem to experience the world and their bodies differently than other types do. It is therefore not uncommon for INFJs or others to occasionally question their sanity."

LOL. Yup. Which is what you guys are experiencing. It's really "normal" for me (or other INFJs) to get remarks/questions like this. Hope this clarifies. You can google INFJ yourself, and read up more if you want to. wink.gif

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QUOTE(DoomCognition @ Jul 26 2018, 11:48 AM)
Ralna Care to explain this?  Bet you had lots of fun along the way.

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Just explained.

Yes, I did. Made a number of new friends too. wink.gif
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Wow the amount of barrage she gets (thinking she is fake and made up) And it appears majority are guys.

I don’t know the real ralna, perhaps some point in the future maybe. But her story is helping to empower some women. (Maybe) Not all women needs help, perhaps some prefer the status quo situation with their bf/husbands etc. don’t think there is no wrong or right. Choices we all make

But I have a feeling many ladies do have their dreams and more often than naught have put those on the backburner, because well society places/have expectations of women at their places.

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- i know the context of what she was referring too

All above true in most women who do feel they need more. I don’t know how women really thinks, I do understand some part (maybe not better than some guys here claim they know women and ralna story is pure horseshit) a little better after sharing some of their personal stories.

Perhaps her story is made up to you all. But some advices are quite valid and though the emphasis I think is misunderstood by some who does not think she is correct



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QUOTE(godhand @ Jul 26 2018, 09:51 AM)
indeed i find woman with high earning at young age very attractive
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Have you dated any one yet? What do you like about such a woman? biggrin.gif

QUOTE(godhand @ Jul 26 2018, 10:05 AM)
u are very smart and far sighted. i can tell you in today society not many think like you.
to put it in short, you want to marry an alpha, a lion king
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Thanks! But I also believe talent & intellect can be developed, provided that people wanna learn, and are humble enough to learn, and apply what they have learnt. I did that, and hence I am.

Yes, and will be married to one, too.

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QUOTE(doomgoy @ Jul 26 2018, 02:14 PM)
Her advice and opinions are fine. Some of us here are giving her flack because she's full of shit. Her childhood story doesn't add up, she said she was raised in an upper middle class family in the other thread, yet in this very thread her family didn't even have a pot to piss in. Which is it? Does she have multiple personality disorder? Is she batshit? Or is she just lying through her teeth for fuck knows what.
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Did I or not or may have mistaken, I thought the reference of ‘middle class’ was latter (her man/squeeze) and not her.. in that context of discussion.

Maybe my Englund not so good.
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The story may be real or it may be wholly constructed solely based on her perception and view of the world. The points are still logical and valid, however due to the incongruences in background story and also real world evidence it lacks credibility.

This is a forum, so it is not unheard off for people to come here to throw idea, get validation, seek attention and obtain simulation. However some may go out of their way to get these. TS maybe genuine or this may be another case of NXJ. At the end of the day, just take it with a pinch of salt.


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QUOTE(doomgoy @ Jul 26 2018, 01:14 PM)
Her advice and opinions are fine. Some of us here are giving her flack because she's full of shit. Her childhood story doesn't add up, she said she was raised in an upper middle class family in the other thread, yet in this very thread her family didn't even have a pot to piss in. Which is it? Does she have multiple personality disorder? Is she batshit? Or is she just lying through her teeth for fuck knows what.
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hahaha.

seems like pml and her has something going on there but unfortunately she wont like beta males and shes married. hahhahahahaha

thanks for the entertainment. laugh.gif
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this thread should be pinned for top notch demonstration on how female trying to achieve their goals.

hahahahahahah.
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QUOTE(doomgoy @ Jul 26 2018, 02:42 PM)
Read DoomCognition's post#272. I'm quoting her here, "I think it's because of our upbringing and social class, i.e. British-style upper-middle class. If you know me in real life, I'm a lady and I grew up wearing dresses, blouses and skirts and heels from young, was taught to speak softly and gently, and act prim and proper, while he's a gentleman and was taught to respect women & be refined. When we first dated, he sent me love poems that use 'thee, thou, thine' (Early Modern English), which I thought was romantic. LOL. Well, we both like classic literature."

She's referring to her boyfriend and herself, both of them were bought up in a pretty well off family, a "British-style upper-middle class" household as she said. If you read post 16 of this thread, her upbringing is the exact opposite. Color me incredulous.
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“I was rich background but my family lost most wealth from the economic meltdown? Then my family rebuilt? “ possible scanario ? Well it’s not hers but my uncles close friend.

Back in the late 80s, it was so bad many families quickly ran away from all the mounting problems. i’ve seen it before how some quickly made arrangements to leave Malaysia back then.

Again I not saying about her Or referring TS, but the context of perspective timeline of a persons referencing ??

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QUOTE(doomgoy @ Jul 26 2018, 02:04 PM)
That's a possibility, but why would she just leave out such a life changing event from her story? From a relatively wealthy family to one that is dirt poor and she made no mention of it? Makes it hard to believe her other stories, like the one where she was beaten within an inch of her life, or that she's an incredibly successful woman who had multiple rich men pursuing a relationship with her. For all we know she looks like Jabba the Hutt. But she said she's drop dead gorgeous now. Her personal stories she shared here just screams attention whore.
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All you need to do is just relate my age to 1997 Asian financial crisis. I'm 29 years old this year = 8 years old back then, in 1997.

That's the missing piece. Put that in perspective to see the bigger picture, instead of straightaway dismissing my threads as BS and labelling me as a liar, a whore or whatever nasty names running through your head.

It's that simple. Don't tell me you have no idea about what happened in 1997. If you really dunno, go Google.

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Another cross-check: you rarely come across poor people with good command of English. I don't really spellcheck each word I type here on forum, but a few forumers have noticed that my English is near-perfect, in a way, much better than average Malaysians.

& my reasoning skills & knowledge about politics and history? It was bcoz I was well-read from young; plenty of encyclopaedia at home.

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Lastly, you really lack manners. If I'd be less of a lady, I'd yell at you straight in your face, "GO FUCK OFF, you SOAB."

You like that? No? Then you'd better watch your mouth and your language here, and show some class and fine taste in your choice of words. Otherwise, whatever that comes out from your mouth, is SHIT.

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QUOTE(Selectt @ Jul 26 2018, 01:41 PM)
hahaha.

seems like pml and her has something going on there but unfortunately she wont like beta males and shes married. hahhahahahaha

thanks for the entertainment.  laugh.gif
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QUOTE(Selectt @ Jul 26 2018, 01:45 PM)
this thread should be pinned for top notch demonstration on how female trying to achieve their goals.

hahahahahahah.
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Is it really that funny?

Bet you must be a joker, and your life... is full of jokes, or maybe a joke itself.

hahhahahahaha... hahahahahahah
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QUOTE(Selectt @ Jul 26 2018, 12:12 PM)
meh, who cares about her. Unless she suspended your acct for interfering ppls thread that you can report to admin. Until that her comment is a just comment with zero credibility. What did she post again? i wont remember useless post.
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She's the moderator of the forum, so her act should be impartial. And most people will care given that she has the power to lock down threads and shut people off.

I do agree with you on one thing, her comment has just gotten to the point of 0 credibility. Biased and bigoted.
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QUOTE(doomgoy @ Jul 26 2018, 03:04 PM)
That's a possibility, but why would she just leave out such a life changing event from her story? From a relatively wealthy family to one that is dirt poor and she made no mention of it? Makes it hard to believe her other stories, like the one where she was beaten within an inch of her life, or that she's an incredibly successful woman who had multiple rich men pursuing a relationship with her. For all we know she looks like Jabba the Hutt. But she said she's drop dead gorgeous now. Her personal stories she shared here just screams attention whore.
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I don’t know. ask TS, though to me it’s wasnt important in her narrative about why she started this thread.

Some of her thoughts (another thread) reasonate my thinking of people/realationships of how people/couples hold themselves these past decade or so


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Me, why am I here in CC? (To some ehh gatal ke sibuk baca threads sini?

I’m just here to check out what has evolved in the dating scene. Pretty much the same but I suppose a host of other opportunities to meet new people. Learn some things, a lot more women I know are more financially stable and they don’t really need “men” for financial security.

They are far more independent and (may) have views that do challenge the norm of what the women’s role in companionship/relationship these days. And I’m might be attracted/interested to such ladies.

Does TS attract me? Nope. She clearly spelt her bond with her squeeze, and perhaps my criteria is slightly different. But the points bought up did allow me to better understand some of the ladies that perhaps I have a bit of a fancy outside. Roof & cars on their own strength, not hand me down wealth. Some aren’t alpha ladies but they their strength are different from TS.

Anyway, I know you see your points. And from your POV she could be a faker. Me it’s irrelevant (person) behind her story points but the points she brings up

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QUOTE(Ralna @ Jul 26 2018, 02:21 PM)
Is it really that funny?

Bet you must be a joker, and your life... is full of jokes, or maybe a joke itself.

hahhahahahaha... hahahahahahah
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You have the power to draw all sorts of people here.

I meant all sorts of people allowed themselves to be drawn by you here.

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I'm with koolspyda.

You guys are pinpointing discrepancies in TS' story, but to what end?

There're good points and I'm glad this has raised a discussion. Ending up with discrepancies in personal story (however that came to be) does not take away the clear message: you want to play in a league of certain level, you gotta first qualify yourself to play in that league.
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Yes, just as woman wanna marry rich man, the man also wanna marry beautiful woman.

You choose people and conversely, people choose you.

There is nothing to be offended about.

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QUOTE(Ralna @ Jul 26 2018, 12:12 PM)
Just explained.

Yes, I did. Made a number of new friends too. wink.gif
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Don't give me the timing nonsense. You cannot be both "British-style upper-middle class" and be in poverty at the same time. You cannot be wearing skirts, blouses since young and be in poverty at the same time. You only choose selective parts of your life, or could be completely fabricated, to justify your arguments and make yourself feel good. All of this to feed narcissism. I'm sorry, I don't buy your story anymore since this is a public forum and posts that are deliberately made cryptic are considered trolling.

Please intervene goldfries, se7en, Baronic because I (and many others here too) don't trust sweet_pez to act impartially. Background to admin and other moderators, TS here has posted contradictory posts which is can be considered trolling. This is not the first time. However, moderator sweet_pez has been seen to be favouring her above everyone else through her comments in post #154. I have also noticed that she has generally favoured female posters in general, sometimes rightfully so but other times not so. To put it simply, biased.

With regards to TS, she trolls in a very eloquent manner which many will find difficult to dissect and takes time to pick up. I leave it with you, moderators. Please refer to my post, #272 for contradictory posting.


QUOTE(sweet_pez @ Jul 20 2018, 01:12 PM)
Seriously guys, stop trolling. How many people do I need to warn for trolling?

TS is entitled to her opinion and methods in getting what she wants. It's her life, her face, her body and choice. Who are we, or anyone here (all strangers and keyboard warriors) to judge? If she's a gold digger then it's her fiancee who should be worried and not anyone here, because it's none of our business.

At the end of the day, you cannot deny that she worked hard to get what she wants. Her effort and money was poured into "improving" herself physically while most of us put these effort into work, hobbies, learning a skill etc for a better future. On the opposite, I always believe in inner beauty and one's own ability to do something/ be independent. That's more important than beauty and youth, which fades in time. An ability or capability is something irreplaceable. It stays with you. However, it's a choice to choose which aspect you want to be better. It's HER choice, why so angry about it?

Everyone pursues different things in life. She pursues luxury while some of us don't. Even the definition of "rich" and "happiness" varies in each person's dictionary. It's okay to not be able to understand why she did that, but don't ever stereotype women or diss people just because they think or behave differently. Each of us are individuals - we are our own self, and you will always be who or what you choose to be.
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QUOTE(doomgoy @ Jul 26 2018, 02:51 PM)
And yet you didn't bring up the financial crisis in your previous post. Instead you gave a shitty explanation that it had something to do with your "rare personality type" that makes you difficult to comprehend. You could have just told us right off the bat that you and your family underwent dire straits. It's not that hard to be upfront with us. It looks like you're just grasping at straws here. If you're gonna lie, at least make it convincing. I couldn't care less that you're well-versed in the English language, anyone can master any language if they put in the time and effort. Their financial background is immaterial. I love stepping on your toes. Manners are the last thing I'd think of to show you. After all the horse shit that we saw from your posts? You could be a dude for all we know. You can tell me to fuck off all you want, calling you out on your horseshit was gratifying enough for me.
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Oh please, read back Post #233 by pml_318, as follows:

QUOTE(pml_318 @ Jul 22 2018, 04:07 PM)
Don't get me wrong, I'm not implying TS is delusional nor telling a half part story and i have no intention to find out the truth...

But she did mentioned British style upper middle class, read poems and classic literatures, wear skirts & high heel shoes from young age etc.... Or maybe there could be an interim part where her family went broken and thus suffered from starving at a later stage of her young adult life...

Anyway... I suppose we should just enjoy her story and learn from her points, a champion football manager doesn't have to be a champion football player at the same time, her pov doesn't have to be proven with her own life experience..
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That's already a clear hint there, and @koolspyda got it. So, why can't you?

Yeah, didn't bother to read back, and straightaway judge easily.

& my "rare personality type" itself has already stated something there, in response as to whether I'm insane with split multiple personality disorder.

Btw, why do I have to spell everything out to the public? Can't you guys learn how to read between the lines??
Oops, forgot that. Men are weak in it, that's why they can't communicate well with women, and easily jump to conclusions.

Exercise your high level of intellect, unless you are incapable of. If you aren't sure of your premises made, open your mouth to ask, and not insult. Is it that difficult?

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QUOTE(DoomCognition @ Jul 26 2018, 03:07 PM)
Don't give me the timing nonsense.  You cannot be both "British-style upper-middle class" and be in poverty at the same time. You cannot be wearing skirts, blouses since young and be in poverty at the same time. You only choose selective parts of your life, or could be completely fabricated, to justify your arguments and make yourself feel good.  All of this to feed narcissism.  I'm sorry, I don't buy your story anymore since this is a public forum and posts that are  deliberately made cryptic are considered trolling.

Please intervene goldfries, se7en, Baronic because I (and many others here too) don't trust sweet_pez to act impartially.  Background to admin and other moderators, TS here has posted contradictory posts which is can be considered trolling.  This is not the first time.  However, moderator sweet_pez has been seen to be favouring her above everyone else through her comments in post #154.  I have also noticed that she has generally favoured female posters in general, sometimes rightfully so but other times not so.  To put it simply, biased.

With regards to TS, she trolls in a very eloquent manner which many will find difficult to dissect and takes time to pick up. I leave it with you, moderators.  Please refer to my post, #272 for contradictory posting.
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You are making a severe accusation here. Just because things don't make sense to you = I'm trolling? How binary can you be?

I welcome moderators to check; pm's from them are welcomed.

In fact, you're helping me to be even way more convincing on this forum, coz once my ID and appearance gets verified by them, and they issue an official statement... thumbsup.gif

My question is, can you really take it when your personal assumptions and biased opinions, are totally crushed to pieces?

Remember, the truth always hurts... your ego, in this case.

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QUOTE(doomgoy @ Jul 26 2018, 02:51 PM)
And yet you didn't bring up the financial crisis in your previous post. Instead you gave a shitty explanation that it had something to do with your "rare personality type" that makes you difficult to comprehend. You could have just told us right off the bat that you and your family underwent dire straits. It's not that hard to be upfront with us. It looks like you're just grasping at straws here. If you're gonna lie, at least make it convincing. I couldn't care less that you're well-versed in the English language, anyone can master any language if they put in the time and effort. Their financial background is immaterial. I love stepping on your toes. Manners are the last thing I'd think of to show you. After all the horse shit that we saw from your posts? You could be a dude for all we know. You can tell me to fuck off all you want, calling you out on your horseshit was gratifying enough for me.
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Chill bro.....she is not committing any crime here, TS is merely sharing how she met her other half n a road to success from her pov and i thought we all agree that everyone has some extend of imaginary version of his/her own story. It's entirely up to readers on how to assimilated it into his/her own reality. Maybe we should just focus on the points being discussed without referring to real life experience example but on the logic point of view laugh.gif

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QUOTE(Ralna @ Jul 26 2018, 03:23 PM)
You are making a severe accusation here. Just because things don't make sense to you = I'm trolling? How binary can you be?

I welcome moderators to check; pm's from them are welcomed.

In fact, you're helping me to be even way more convincing on this forum, coz once my ID and appearance gets verified by them, and they issue an official statement... :thumbsup:

My question is, can you really take it when your personal assumptions and biased opinions, are totally crushed to pieces?

Remember, the truth always hurts... your ego, in this case.
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What is severe? You have admitted it yourself. You are cryptic and purposely make posts that are cryptic. This is a public forum. It is your duty to not make contradictory posts, or explain them when it is pointed out. Otherwise, it is just plain trolling. Stop twisting.
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Yeah, good point @pml_318.

I am keen to get other female views but perhaps none has been as successful as TS in snaring a rich man.

Or too shy to share.

This means that there is hope for the rest of the single guys here... Not all woman are after rich man.
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QUOTE(New Klang @ Jul 26 2018, 02:51 PM)
You have the power to draw all sorts of people here.

I meant all sorts of people allowed themselves to be drawn by you here.

Conclusion: You are powerful.
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Thanks for the observation and feedback. Most are drawn by the controversial topic itself. wink.gif

QUOTE(wondernoob @ Jul 26 2018, 02:57 PM)
I'm with koolspyda.

You guys are pinpointing discrepancies in TS' story, but to what end?

There're good points and I'm glad this has raised a discussion. Ending up with discrepancies in personal story (however that came to be) does not take away the clear message: you want to play in a league of certain level, you gotta first qualify yourself to play in that league.
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thumbsup.gif & burst the dream bubbles of many other "aspiring" women, so that they won't set their benchmark that high. Isn't it good for you men, too?
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QUOTE(pml_318 @ Jul 26 2018, 03:27 PM)
Chill bro.....she is not committing any crime here, TS is merely sharing how she met her other half n a road to success from her pov and i thought we all agree that everyone has some extend of imaginary version of his/her own story. It's entirely up to readers on how to assimilated it into his/her own reality. Maybe we should just focus on the points being discussed without referring to real life experience example but on the logic point of view laugh.gif
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We can agree to disagree. I have left it as such in my long posts earlier in the thread. No issues with that. I am also ok with her view of being narcissistic.

But what I cannot tolerate is the trolling going on. Moderators have acted partially, with warnings and all being shot out. This is Cupid's Corner, not Kopitiam.
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doomgoy She is just trolling, plain and simple. Though I must say she is doing it with lots of style and pomp that is unseen in Lowyat for a very long time.
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QUOTE(DoomCognition @ Jul 26 2018, 03:30 PM)
What is severe? You have admitted it yourself. You are cryptic and purposely make posts that are cryptic. This is a public forum. It is your duty to not make contradictory posts, or explain them when it is pointed out. Otherwise, it is just plain trolling.  Stop twisting.
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I can't control how people interpret my messages/writing, as much as I have wanted to be clear in my writing. Didn't I try my best to clarify whenever readers raised questions? (but you guys saw it as defending myself bla bla bla. OK fine.)

What do you wanna read? The full auto-biography from A to Z? In a public forum? To make sense of the whole story?

Man, write more and show your dumbness.



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I suspect DoomCognition and Doomgoy are dupes. Interesting.

Moderators, please check.
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Lol started on quarrel now... 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

This is /k standard thread... I have no surprised

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If this continues the mods are going to close this tread.
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QUOTE(doomgoy @ Jul 26 2018, 03:41 PM)
Hey, alpha chick. Show me how assertive and alpha you are. Don't go crying to the moderators.
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@DoomCognition & @doomgoy,
Until your ID is proven, I shall not respond to any of your trolling comments. Blame @DoomCognition for starting it first, in Post#299. He cried to the moderators first, not me.

Yeah, feel the claws from an alpha she-wolf. Hope you like it.

Oh, forgot to mention my fiance is a lawyer himself (Oh wait, I did mention it in Post#74. laugh.gif )

You wanna play? I'll play the real game with you, in the real world, and let you feel the real consequences. It'll be more fun and exciting that way.

I'm not pissed off yet, so yeah, you're still safe.

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QUOTE(Benefon @ Jul 26 2018, 03:45 PM)
Lol started on quarrel now... 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

This is /k standard thread... I have no surprised
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QUOTE(cfa28 @ Jul 26 2018, 03:49 PM)
If this continues the mods are going to close this tread.
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Haih. I know. Some people just like to make a mountain out of a molehill.

It's okay. You guys know I'm quite patient, otherwise I wouldn't bother replying or giving advice in other threads.
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QUOTE(cfa28 @ Jul 26 2018, 03:49 PM)
If this continues the mods are going to close this tread.
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sweet_pez take action please.

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QUOTE(Ralna @ Jul 26 2018, 03:50 PM)
@DoomCognition & @doomgoy,
Until your ID is proven, I shall not respond to any of your trolling comments. Blame @DoomCognition for starting it first, in Post#299. He cried to the moderators first, not me.

Yeah, feel the claws from an alpha she-wolf. Hope you like it.

Oh, forgot to mention my fiance is a lawyer himself (Oh wait, I did mention it in Post#74. laugh.gif )

You wanna play? I'll play the real game with you, in the real world, and let you feel the real consequences. It'll be more fun and exciting that way.

I'm not pissed off yet, so yeah, you're still safe.
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Since you're smart like hell, why don't you analyse our posting style. Surely you're able to tell if we're dupes.

I asked moderators to intervene because the moderator posted in this thread is biased. If you have the intellect to read my original post again, I am asking them to act on sweet_pez, with you being the secondary impact. You can post whatever you want, just as the others should also be free to post. I don't really need them to intervene, as long as sweet_pez backs off.

And shit, to think that I wasted my time to make super long posts at the start of this thread, complete waste of my time.

p/s: I don't know who exactly are you giving the threats to (since you assumed me and doomgoy are dupes), but if it's to me, let me just say this. Don't start. It's not only you who can be pissed off.

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If this continues the mods are going to close this tread.
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Well I hope not, perhaps to some who may want it to be

maybe to the complainant guys, how should ladies behave, or their search/criteria for looking out for men?

Let men choose and women just pick the best man? (For my research purposes)
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QUOTE(Benefon @ Jul 26 2018, 03:54 PM)
sweet_pez take action please.
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Not her please. Check back her post in this thread, it is biased.
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QUOTE(DoomCognition @ Jul 26 2018, 03:55 PM)
Since you're smart like hell, why don't you analyse our posting style. Surely you're able to tell if we're dupes.

I asked moderators to intervene because the moderator posted in this thread is biased.  If you have the intellect to read my original post again, I am asking them to act on sweet_pez, with you being the secondary impact.  You can post whatever you want, just as the others should also be free to post.  I don't really need them to intervene, as long as sweet_pez backs off.
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I'm sure any person here who wanna create dupes, will know that it's common sense to change their writing/posting style. Otherwise, what's the purpose of having dupes?

Then you take it out on sweet_pez. Why lash the anger out at me? I'm sure she's a sensible person, and other moderators are, too.
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QUOTE(koolspyda @ Jul 26 2018, 03:59 PM)
Well I hope not, perhaps to some who may want it to be

maybe to the complainant guys, how should ladies behave, or their search/criteria for looking out for men?

Let men choose and women just pick the best man? (For my research purposes)
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I don't mind this thread getting closed. If that's what most readers want it happen, so be it. Whatever info/ skills that's been shared here, will be all lost. Not my loss anyway; I shared them coz I have them in my brain.

But I think it'd be unfair if this thread gets closed coz of doomgoy & DoomCognition, coz other forumers have taken their time to participate in the thread, and contribute their opinions & POV.
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I'll chip in, strongly believe our current society is 'ill' enough with all the materialistic mentality flourishing. What else is left to love when there is a checklist for love?

There is no further need to have such a thread of which specifically 'encourage' or serve as a so called 'guide/path' to such mentality. Instead please instill some humbleness and appreciation. Goes a long way and works both way for male and female.

My pov is always remember to check and balance in life or u'll lose your identify to greed and material and eventually your other half. This thread is not healthy.

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QUOTE(Ralna @ Jul 26 2018, 04:14 PM)
I'm sure any person here who wanna create dupes, will know that it's common sense to change their writing/posting style. Otherwise, what's the purpose of having dupes?

Then you take it out on sweet_pez. Why lash the anger out at me? I'm sure she's a sensible person, and other moderators are, too.
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There are 2 issues here:

1. Biasedness of sweet_pez, which is why I am bringing in moderators

2. Your posts which is contradictory, aka trolling. Which I have asked for explanation and I don't see one that explains it. All you did is explain why you are cryptic, NOT on the issue itself.

So just as you can posts and make whatever claims you like, I am also asserting that you're purposefully being cryptic aka trolling.

And yes, sweet_pez is sensible to you, because privilege is invisible to those who have it.
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QUOTE(DoomCognition @ Jul 26 2018, 04:11 PM)
Not her please.  Check back her post in this thread, it is biased.
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QUOTE(Ralna @ Jul 26 2018, 05:15 PM)
I don't mind this thread getting closed. If that's what most readers want it happen, so be it. Whatever info/ skills that's been shared here, will be all lost. Not my loss anyway; I shared them coz I have them in my brain.

But I think it'd be unfair if this thread gets closed coz of doomgoy & DoomCognition, coz other forumers have taken their time to participate in the thread, and contribute their opinions & POV.
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So to allow the thread have it’s own life, perhaps all concern take its own chill and walk out, take a breather from posting on this very thread, time out.

Yourself, doomcognition doomgoy and couple of posters who have a biff with you.

Let others who contributed, and as I said let this thread have its own life on the said topic and not picking on irrelevance.


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Side track

As I said, do women these days now sit on revolving chairs and men window shop for the prettiest (for my research purposes only)

Very basic question but need to start from somewhere as the clutter has deviated from the topic

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@ralna, You do know that you are treading on guys ego here. Your title itself is already a controversy to the society. A lot is not ready for the truth and the main reason is due to how painful it is.
I do find your post (the first few pages and the last few pages) quite inspiring and interesting, good for the fellow women who is on the same page as you and still struggling.

I would like your opinion on the dynamic control of a relationship. I mean who is in control of the relationship ? shouldn't it be the guy ?

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QUOTE(kirakun @ Jul 26 2018, 04:18 PM)
I'll chip in, strongly believe our currently society is 'ill' enough with all the materialistic mentality flourishing. What else is left to love when there is a checklist for love?

There is no further need to have such a thread of which specifically 'encourage' or serve as a so called 'guide/path' to such mentality. Instead please instill some humbleness and appreciation. Goes a long way and works both way for male and female.

My pov is always remember to check and balance in life or u'll lose your identify to greed and material and eventually your other half. This thread is not healthy.
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So you or your parents, or your friends and colleagues do not have any mental checklist for love? Wow, we have saints around. It'd be so much easier to date women, and there wouldn't be any break ups (due to finances or economic status), or dilemmas that men face when pursuing women.

Well, it's easy to form preliminary judgement based on the 1st post itself. Obviously, you (and other readers) didn't follow the whole discussion. You made your first impression, then skip, skip, skip, read a bit here and there, and then expect to make total sense out of this thread.

Whether this thread is healthy or not, do I need to compile a list of replies on how other forumers have benefited from this thread, and quote one by one for you? That would give you a clearer picture. Otherwise, yes, this thread is as unhealthy as its title and first post appears to be.


QUOTE(DoomCognition @ Jul 26 2018, 04:19 PM)
There are 2 issues here:

1.  Biasedness of sweet_pez, which is why I am bringing in moderators

2.  Your posts which is contradictory, aka trolling.  Which I have asked for explanation and I don't see one that explains it.  All you did is explain why you are cryptic, NOT on the issue itself.

So just as you can posts and make whatever claims you like, I am also asserting that you're purposefully being cryptic aka trolling.

And yes, sweet_pez is sensible to you, because privilege is invisible to those who have it.
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Firstly, I'm not in anyway related to sweet_pez. We don't even interact in other threads; only the first time here. You can verify this for yourself.

Secondly, you don't see one that explains it, is because you don't read it carefully. As simple as that. When I mean read, I don't mean "take a glance". You need to read and process mentally, page by page, not just reading my posts, but also other forumers'. That's the tough part, which you obviously didn't do well.

Why is it this way? Coz it's not /k. This thread here is pretty much discussion-based.

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QUOTE(royalben @ Jul 26 2018, 05:34 PM)
@ralna, You do know that you are treading on guys ego here. Your title itself is already a controversy to the society. A lot is not ready for the truth and the main reason is due to how painful it is.
I do find your post (the first few pages and the last few pages) quite inspiring and interesting, good for the fellow women who is on the same page as you and still struggling.

I would like your opinion on the dynamic control of a relationship. I mean who is in control of the relationship ? shouldn't it be the guy ?
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You know last night I had dinner with a friend & found out a mutual friend of ours have now separated. Likely will go for divorce after this & not counseling.

We both agree that, one is getting more laid back and the other is slowing spreading her wings because her career and new opportunities and getting aplenty. Mind you HE, her husband can provide. A landed home, comer lot in excess over a million plus (just putting a hypothetical figure) and he works in a industry that’s pays well.

It’s sad that relationship of a common friend (we both know the guy and the girl) has turned south. Blame her?

Or perhaps she didn’t quite vet thru her criteria properly earlier. What is enough for ladies or what’s is enough for men?

I certainly wouldn’t want to be in their shoes. Right now. It’s bitter. 2 friends of mine now became strangers because relationship problem.




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QUOTE(royalben @ Jul 26 2018, 04:34 PM)
@ralna, You do know that you are treading on guys ego here. Your title itself is already a controversy to the society. A lot is not ready for the truth and the main reason is due to how painful it is.
I do find your post (the first few pages and the last few pages) quite inspiring and interesting, good for the fellow women who is on the same page as you and still struggling.

I would like your opinion on the dynamic control of a relationship. I mean who is in control of the relationship ? shouldn't it be the guy ?
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I did it on purpose. Why? Coz men's ego is what makes them blind to the improvements they need to make, so that they can see their flaws and do something about them.

To be real honest, as an alpha female myself, I wish there were more alpha men around.

Can betas become alphas? Yes, they can. They really can, but they don't believe they can... although they aspire to be.

Isn't this kinda sad? I mean, men are supposed to be powerful and take the lead, like those Marvel heroes. You might start off as a beta first, but once you start building yourself and are strong enough, you can either defeat the alpha of the pack, or start your own pack as an alpha.

I grew up having more male friends than female ones, and I know, guys don't talk about how insecure they feel when they are with other guys. They do the reverse: boast and exaggerate what they have. They don't lash their frustration and anger out on other dudes, but lash it out on "Ralna" or other women (their gfs/ wives?).

Why? Women mah, easier to bully and intimidate (in their opinion). & that's why "Ralna" and her writing is seen as narcissistic and boastful... coz, most people have never been there, never done that... so, too good to be true = must be real fake, as fake as what they boast of, of themselves.

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Anyway, back to your question, the dynamic control of a relationship... ok, see it this way. A man is the head, while his woman is the neck. A man can decide (make plans & set goals = lead and navigate the relationship etc), but his woman can decide whether she wanna shake or nod the head. Get the analogy? wink.gif

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Just a mere 2-3 years relationship, really is not at the right position to give advise of how to manage or win a man.

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QUOTE(Ralna @ Jul 26 2018, 04:35 PM)
So you or your parents, or your friends and colleagues do not have any mental checklist for love? Wow, we have saints around. It'd be so much easier to date women, and there wouldn't be any break ups (due to finances or economic status), or dilemmas that men face when pursuing women.

Well, it's easy to form preliminary judgement based on the 1st post itself. Obviously, you (and other readers) didn't follow the whole discussion. You made your first impression, then skip, skip, skip, read a bit here and there, and then expect to make total sense out of this thread.

Whether this thread is healthy or not, do I need to compile a list of replies on how other forumers have benefited from this thread, and quote one by one for you? That would give you a clearer picture. Otherwise, yes, this thread is as unhealthy as its title and first post appears to be.
Firstly, I'm not in anyway related to sweet_pez. We don't even interact in other threads; only the first time here. You can verify this for yourself.

Secondly, you don't see one that explains it, is because you don't read it carefully. As simple as that. When I mean read, I don't mean "take a glance". You need to read and process mentally, page by page, not just reading my posts, but also other forumers'. That's the tough part, which you obviously didn't do well.

Why is it this way? Coz it's not /k. This thread here is pretty much discussion-based.
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I sorry to disappoint but no, my parent do not have such checklist nor do i. Like i said love is based on feeling and onward how the guy and girl tread down the line together. That doesn't makes us saint either. Obviously u have problem understanding difference between love, materialistic and being a saint. There is no need for me to press this further as again obviously u are 'drowned in your own world' of being materialistic. Sorry to say.
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You know last night I had dinner with a friend & found out a mutual friend of ours have now separated. Likely will go for divorce after this & not counseling.

We both agree that, one is getting more laid back and the other is slowing spreading her wings because her career and new opportunities and getting aplenty. Mind you HE, her husband can provide. A landed home, comer lot in excess over a million plus (just putting a hypothetical figure) and he works in a industry that’s pays well.

It’s sad that relationship of a common friend (we both know the guy and the girl) has turned south. Blame her?

Or perhaps she didn’t quite vet thru her criteria properly earlier. What is enough for ladies or what’s is enough for men?

I certainly wouldn’t want to be in their shoes. Right now. It’s bitter. 2 friends of mine now became strangers because relationship problem.
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I think you instinctively know why she left him. On the surface, it is the social status of the woman that is going higher than the man. While the woman is spreading her wings, the man remain complacent, this is a big turn off for woman and obviously hurts the man's ego.
On a deeper level, both are not going the same direction in life anymore, people always change and their goals in life often change, if both of them are still going to the same goal it will fun and exciting. Imagine going to a fun fair, while you are excited but your partner is saying "been there done that" the partner will most likely won't join you.
Are you sure both of them will be happier if they remain together ?

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QUOTE(cc980024 @ Jul 26 2018, 04:58 PM)
Just a mere 2-3 years relationship, really is not at the right position to give advise of how to manage or win a man.
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I know, but at least my first relationship has been relatively successful, and heading to marriage, and not a break-up. I can definitely give way better advice when I have 20-30 years of experience. wink.gif

Else, maybe you can give better advice, since you're way more experienced and perhaps, older too.

QUOTE(kirakun @ Jul 26 2018, 05:03 PM)
I sorry to disappoint but no, my parent do not have such checklist nor do i. Like i said love is based on feeling and onward how the guy and girl tread down the line together. That doesn't makes us saint either. Obviously u have problem understanding difference between love, materialistic and being a saint. There is no need for me to press this further as again obviously u are 'drowned in your own world' of being materialistic. Sorry to say.
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Well, we live in two different worlds then. Your world is idealistic, to me. I am quite happy that you didn't have to go through much dilemmas. thumbsup.gif
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QUOTE(Ralna @ Jul 26 2018, 04:55 PM)
I did it on purpose. Why? Coz men's ego is what makes them blind to the improvements they need to make, so that they can see their flaws and do something about them.

To be real honest, as an alpha female myself, I wish there were more alpha men around.

Can betas become alphas? Yes, they can. They really can, but they don't believe they can... although they aspire to be.

Isn't this kinda sad? I mean, men are supposed to be powerful and take the lead, like those Marvel heroes. You might start off as a beta first, but once you start building yourself and are strong enough, you can either defeat the alpha of the pack, or start your own pack as an alpha.

I grew up having more male friends than female ones, and I know, guys don't talk about how insecure they feel when they are with other guys. They do the reverse: boast and exaggerate what they have. They don't lash their frustration and anger out on other dudes, but lash it out on "Ralna" or other women (their gfs/ wives?).

Why? Women mah, easier to bully and intimidate (in their opinion). & that's why "Ralna" and her writing is seen as narcissistic and boastful... coz, most people have never been there, never done that... so, too good to be true = must be real fake, as fake as what they boast of, of themselves.

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Anyway, back to your question, the dynamic control of a relationship... ok, see it this way. A man is the head, while his woman is the neck. A man can decide (make plans & set goals = lead and navigate the relationship etc), but his woman can decide whether she wanna shake or nod the head. Get the analogy?  wink.gif
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Let's re-term back the alpha women as femininity and the alpha-man to masculinity, which I think is more accurate, don't you agree.
Yeah, I do agree masculinity is dying in our society which we all desperately needs now, and there is a good reason for it in our human history. Both masculinity and femininity are to be blamed and I guess both will have to pick up the pieces.

I really like your analogy, man should lead and the woman follows if she chooses to. Man move forwards and woman receptive, just like penetration. biggrin.gif
Was a bit unsure on where you stand initially, but now I know. Keep up the good work.


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QUOTE(royalben @ Jul 26 2018, 06:07 PM)
I think you instinctively know why she left him. On the surface, it is the social status of the woman that is going higher than the man. While the woman is spreading her wings, the man remain complacent, this is a big turn off for woman and obviously hurts the man's ego.
On a deeper level, both are not going the same direction in life anymore, people always change and their goals in life often change, if both of them are still going to the same goal it will fun and exciting. Imagine going to a fun fair, while you are excited but your partner is saying "been there done that" the partner will most likely won't join you.
Are you sure both of them will be happier if they remain together ?
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For a guy (me) it's natural, that I hope they will sort it out, but for my lady friend, she understood that at present moment it's inevitable, while it's not a huge surprise to me as I'm been observing their timeline.

Just be clear, I have not interest other than sadness for their relationship was over 10years n married the last couple of years, no kids (maybe one of the reasons too(?) )


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Sidenote in regards to your reference.

Oh yeah about, any lady who has been there, done that (places with ex). How you one even muster the courage and stay afresh if one were to pursue. 😶
Anyway just a thought

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QUOTE(Ralna @ Jul 26 2018, 02:21 PM)
Is it really that funny?

Bet you must be a joker, and your life... is full of jokes, or maybe a joke itself.

hahhahahahaha... hahahahahahah
(copied and pasted from your own replies)
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meh, have you still not yet realise the joker is YOU. You are making contradictory stories of yourself and worst yet, you are trying to educate female to follow your steps. You made public forum as your personal diary that has leaked out personal information about yourself.

Just look the number of your posts today and your last personal diary? it seem you have no real friends and too much free time.

Where is the joker again?

QUOTE(Ralna @ Jul 26 2018, 03:50 PM)
@DoomCognition & @doomgoy,
Until your ID is proven, I shall not respond to any of your trolling comments. Blame @DoomCognition for starting it first, in Post#299. He cried to the moderators first, not me.

Yeah, feel the claws from an alpha she-wolf. Hope you like it.

Oh, forgot to mention my fiance is a lawyer himself (Oh wait, I did mention it in Post#74. laugh.gif )

You wanna play? I'll play the real game with you, in the real world, and let you feel the real consequences. It'll be more fun and exciting that way.

I'm not pissed off yet, so yeah, you're still safe.
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meh, started threatening when people expose your shit? Stop spewing shit, joker. laugh.gif
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QUOTE(koolspyda @ Jul 26 2018, 05:37 PM)
For a guy (me) it's natural, that I hope they will sort it out,  but for my lady friend, she understood that at present moment it's inevitable, while it's not a huge surprise to me as I'm been observing their timeline.

Just be clear, I have not interest other than sadness for their relationship was over 10years n married the last couple of years, no kids (maybe one of the reasons too(?) )
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Sidenote in regards to your reference.

Oh yeah about, any lady who has been there, done that (places with ex). How you one even muster the courage and stay afresh if one were to pursue. 😶
Anyway just a thought
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I'll say married life is not for everyone. I am still figuring it out if it is for me. I don't mind the commitment but hate the idea behind marriage.
Meaning you have to do this and do that in marriage.

Not really sure on your question, I'll assume that you are pursuing a girl you like, and she has been to a lot of places with her ex. so how to go about it to make her excited on places you bring her?
- You focus on your interest, not her interest. She is not the one and not the only one, you are ready to lose her. The places she has been to doesn't really matter, the person she is with on those places matters. However the moment you focus your interest on her you lose her interest. As long as you are enjoying yourself genuinely, she will enjoy it too. This why parents love taking kids to fun fair, parents have been there a thousand times, but seeing their kids excited and enjoying themselves brings a lot of joy to the parents.
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QUOTE(doomgoy @ Jul 26 2018, 03:35 PM)
And why couldn't you have explained it yourself? Instead you needed pml_318, a stranger to explain it to others? I thought you're an alpha woman, needing others to speak on your behalf is as beta as it comes. Maybe you being an alpha chick was something you pulled out of your ass too. Pml_318 doesn't know you, he/she is not you, he doesn't know your life's story. Why should I take his word over yours? It's purely conjecture on his part. If I wanna know about someone's personal story, I'd rather hear it straight from the horse's(whore's) mouth.

It sounds like he just gave you a convenient excuse to use as to why you were rich once and fell into poverty years later, and you ran with it.

Yeah, now that you mention it, I remember why women like you are numb skulls, you can't be blunt about anything. Instead, you expect men to read your mind. Professor X is the only male telepath that I know of, too bad he's fictitious. Otherwise you two would make a great couple.
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+1

Couldnt have said clearly myself.

Normally, alpha would have stand straight up and voice out the truth which isnt the case for this joker. She claims to be alpha female but now threaten to bring lawyer fiance into the argument. mega_shok.gif
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QUOTE(royalben @ Jul 26 2018, 05:33 PM)
Let's re-term back the alpha women as femininity and the alpha-man to masculinity, which I think is more accurate, don't you agree.
Yeah, I do agree masculinity is dying in our society which we all desperately needs now, and there is a good reason for it in our human history. Both masculinity and femininity are to be blamed and I guess both will have to pick up the pieces.

I really like your analogy, man should lead and the woman follows if she chooses to. Man move forwards and woman receptive, just like penetration.  biggrin.gif
Was a bit unsure on where you stand initially, but now I know. Keep up the good work.
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Yes, agree. thumbsup.gif Not just men, women too. We have our own fair share of probs to fix.

Haha... that's so graphic. LOL.

Thanks for the encouragement. wink.gif
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QUOTE(Selectt @ Jul 26 2018, 06:48 PM)
meh, have you still not yet realise the joker is YOU. You are making contradictory stories of yourself and worst yet, you are trying to educate female to follow your steps. You made public forum as your personal diary that has leaked out personal information about yourself.

Just look the number of your posts today and your last personal diary? it seem you have no real friends and too much free time.

Where is the joker again?
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So what if I leak out personal info, or have too much free time to post in lyn? Does that concern you? If I'm not bothered about my safeguarding my personal info, why should you be?

I educate female to follow my footsteps? So you think I'm brainwashing them? (Ha! Funny.)

Nah, just look what the dramas they watch and the romance novels they read on a daily basis, the male protagonists are usually the rich, the handsome and the powerful. One typical example is 50 Shades of Grey.

If Christian Grey were a poor guy and not a young handsome billionaire entrepreneur, you think Anastasia Steele would still fall for him?

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QUOTE(Selectt @ Jul 26 2018, 06:53 PM)
meh, started threatening when people expose your shit? Stop spewing shit, joker. laugh.gif
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QUOTE(Selectt @ Jul 26 2018, 07:04 PM)
+1

Couldnt have said clearly myself.

Normally, alpha would have stand straight up and voice out the truth which isnt the case for this joker. She claims to be alpha female but now threaten to bring lawyer fiance into the argument.  mega_shok.gif
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Read this Post#301. Obviously, you skipped this part:

QUOTE(Ralna @ Jul 26 2018, 03:23 PM)
You are making a severe accusation here. Just because things don't make sense to you = I'm trolling? How binary can you be?

I welcome moderators to check; pm's from them are welcomed.

In fact, you're helping me to be even way more convincing on this forum, coz once my ID and appearance gets verified by them, and they issue an official statement... thumbsup.gif

My question is, can you really take it when your personal assumptions and biased opinions, are totally crushed to pieces?

Remember, the truth always hurts... your ego, in this case.
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Only then then Post#315 "the lawsuit" came into play. Btw, did I say I wanna sue anyone here? Duh.

If yes, so? You can also bring another lawyer into the argument, if you want to.

& who got the moderators involved first? You guys.


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I dont know how people misinterpret my statement. Maybe TLDR and only see what they want to see.

To make it short: why do people here care or judge so much what TS do? None of you are her fiancee. Even if she's out to destroy her own life, its her choice. Who are us, who know nuts about someone, actually judge and pass statements?

Regardless of gender, my opinion on the above stands.

Thus dont quote me out of context. What I commented, are MY opinion. Biased, not biased - its up to the person who read it to judge. And these judgments are also subjected to personal bias (who reads them).

So comments that are not related to the post will be removed - the same applicable to TS and all here wink.gif adios.
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QUOTE(royalben @ Jul 26 2018, 07:53 PM)
I'll say married life is not for everyone. I am still figuring it out if it is for me. I don't mind the commitment but hate the idea behind marriage.
Meaning you have to do this and do that in marriage.

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I agree, Marriage needs work. Lots of hard work. There is a term when during the marriage matrimony address this to the couple (for Christians)

I know there are those who never got married, few friends of mine. I was married and I found my soul mate in my *wife (despite many times I think she may want to cekit me during the course of our married life)

There are pro and cons, but if and when you are both together (married), you have to think as one. Maybe not so if both are just in a bf/gf relationship.

*[I'm now a widower]

QUOTE(royalben @ Jul 26 2018, 07:53 PM)
Not really sure on your question, I'll assume that you are pursuing a girl you like, and she has been to a lot of places with her ex. so how to go about it to make her excited  on places you bring her?
- You focus on your interest, not her interest. She is not the one and not the only one, you are ready to lose her. The places she has been to doesn't really matter, the person she is with on those places matters. However the moment you focus your interest on her you lose her interest. As long as you are enjoying yourself genuinely, she will enjoy it too. This why parents love taking kids to fun fair, parents have been there a thousand times, but seeing their kids excited and enjoying themselves brings a lot of joy to the parents.
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Haha I wasnt looking for an answer, was just babble. No, atm, I wish there was a lady interest for me 😋😋😂

But yes the anology of the kids at fun fair a worthy reply.
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QUOTE(sweet_pez @ Jul 26 2018, 08:32 PM)
I dont know how people misinterpret my statement. Maybe TLDR and only see what they want to see.

To make it short: why do people here care or judge so much what TS do? None of you are her fiancee. Even if she's out to destroy her own life, its her choice. Who are us, who know nuts about someone, actually judge and pass statements?

Regardless of gender, my opinion on the above stands.

Thus dont quote me out of context. What I commented, are MY opinion. Biased, not biased - its up to the person who read it to judge. And these judgments are also subjected to personal bias (who reads them).

So comments that are not related to the post will be removed - the same applicable to TS and all here wink.gif adios.
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I think some feels that TS is trolling and some sort of action be taken. If you don’t, they feel you are siding with TS. That’s how I gather from the replies.


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QUOTE(koolspyda @ Jul 26 2018, 07:38 PM)
I think some feels that TS is trolling and some sort of action be taken. If you don’t, they feel you are siding with TS. That’s how I gather from the replies.
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Finally i get what's happening.

Unfortunately this is quite a subjective matter. Its hard for everyone to see eye to eye, which makes us all unique. While I dont see it as trolling, I could be wrong in my judgment. Undoubtly i have taken note of TS's pattern of topics and replies so rest assured if this persists i'll consult the almighty admin on the course of action.

Before I forget - if this doesnt sit well with some of you guys, you're free to contact another Mod or admin. Suggest the thread to be closed off due to deviation of topic.

I'll let TS do the close off if he/she chooses to do so.

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I personally do not see that as a deviation of topic? It is more like she has her own way of thoughts that clearly do not sit well with many of us here (probably due to her naivety)

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Just because you don't like it doesn't make it wrong. Similarly a 40 yr old man dating a 18 year old girl would receive widespread condemnation on a similar scale.

Why this post attracts so much attention is simply because it is an uncomfortable truth. If it was made up of complete falsehoods and unverifiable claims, not many will invest the time and emotional energy to make comments.

I do not believe TS has sinister intentions as she has posted topics which are supposedly beneficial to men. This post however is beneficial to women who share her similar mindset.

If you were to quell all future posters similar to TS just because they rock the both, I am afraid the quality of topics/discussion in lowyat forum will drop. This post has succeeded in a way by drawing out more participation from the forumers.

To TS credit, not many women will discuss such a controversial topic because 1. there is nothing in it for them 2. they will attract social repercussions. That being said, women are extremely practical creatures. Sometimes frighteningly so.
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QUOTE(crimsonfury @ Jul 27 2018, 12:34 AM)
Just because you don't like it doesn't make it wrong. Similarly a 40 yr old man dating a 18 year old girl would receive widespread condemnation on a similar scale.

Why this post attracts so much attention is simply because it is an uncomfortable truth. If it was made up of complete falsehoods and unverifiable claims, not many will invest the time and emotional energy to make comments.

I do not believe TS has sinister intentions as she has posted topics which are supposedly beneficial to men. This post however is beneficial to women who share her similar mindset.

If you were to quell all future posters similar to TS just because they rock the both, I am afraid the quality of topics/discussion in lowyat forum will drop. This post has succeeded in a way by drawing out more participation from the forumers. 

To TS credit, not many women will discuss such a controversial topic because 1. there is nothing in it for them 2. they will attract social repercussions. That being said, women are extremely practical creatures. Sometimes frighteningly so.
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QUOTE(crimsonfury @ Jul 26 2018, 11:34 PM)
Just because you don't like it doesn't make it wrong. Similarly a 40 yr old man dating a 18 year old girl would receive widespread condemnation on a similar scale.

Why this post attracts so much attention is simply because it is an uncomfortable truth. If it was made up of complete falsehoods and unverifiable claims, not many will invest the time and emotional energy to make comments.

I do not believe TS has sinister intentions as she has posted topics which are supposedly beneficial to men. This post however is beneficial to women who share her similar mindset.

If you were to quell all future posters similar to TS just because they rock the both, I am afraid the quality of topics/discussion in lowyat forum will drop. This post has succeeded in a way by drawing out more participation from the forumers.

To TS credit, not many women will discuss such a controversial topic because 1. there is nothing in it for them 2. they will attract social repercussions. That being said, women are extremely practical creatures. Sometimes frighteningly so.
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Obviously, Cupid's Corner is only good for lamenting relationship woes or asking for relationship advice. It's not a place for controversial relationship topics to be discussed peacefully and rationally, without involving personal attacks, trolls and moderators.

Good job in showing how backwards/ conservative this sub-forum is. It's an eye-opening experience for me too. thumbsup.gif

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I'm actually ok with her opinion.

She admits that she does go for money and she also agree that the husband can dump her anytime/have another mistress if she is old. In another words, she cannot complain or whine or gain sympathy when her husband have an affair or dump her for someone else. At least she's not being a hypocrite.


There are some women here on the other hand who has double standards, where they demand for the right to choose the type of guy that they want and they can dump the guy if they are not up to the standards, but then chastise guys who dump girls. In another words these girls are saying "we girls can choose who we like and dump them if they are not up to standard but you guys cannot do the same to girls or else we will label you as jerks/playboy."








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QUOTE(sweet_pez @ Jul 26 2018, 07:32 PM)
I dont know how people misinterpret my statement. Maybe TLDR and only see what they want to see.

To make it short: why do people here care or judge so much what TS do? None of you are her fiancee. Even if she's out to destroy her own life, its her choice. Who are us, who know nuts about someone, actually judge and pass statements?

Regardless of gender, my opinion on the above stands.

Thus dont quote me out of context. What I commented, are MY opinion. Biased, not biased - its up to the person who read it to judge. And these judgments are also subjected to personal bias (who reads them).

So comments that are not related to the post will be removed - the same applicable to TS and all here wink.gif adios.
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It started because you warned them on their trolling, but now that they feel TS is doing the same, you did not warn her, and therefore showed biasness. It's less about your opinion on her.



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QUOTE(doomgoy @ Jul 27 2018, 04:35 AM)
Her fiance may not even exist for all we know. At this point, she could even be a 40 year old single woman living with 10 cats as companions. Hard to take her seriously when she lies, and when we point out the inconsistencies of her story, she couldn't even give us a straight answer. Instead, she talked about her "rare personality type", which has nothing to do with why her family hit rock bottom. Why she even brought that up is beyond me. She goes on and on about how we're messing with her cause we're jealous, or our egos were bruised cause we didn't like what she has to say. When in fact, all we did was call her out on her bullshit.

If anything, it sounds like she's just here to stroke her own ego. Everything she says here just screams "I'm so special!!". For anyone else reading this, take anything she says with a grain of horse shit. She's a charlatan.
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We are just wasting time responding to this joker who has no shame.

Generally, people here are too kind, always give benefit of doubt which she is clearly riding on people. Even some ppl are sucking up to her and say man is not able to accept the "truth". Idiocy at its best wei. laugh.gif

This is clearly a perfect internet example how bullshit like this can still be twisted to become the "fact" if there are enough idiots buying her stories. laugh.gif

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QUOTE(Drian @ Jul 27 2018, 09:59 AM)
It started because you warned them on their trolling, but now that they feel TS is doing the same, you did not warn her, and therefore showed biasness. It's less about your opinion on her.
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Thanks Drian for further clarification. It's because some went overboard and even received warning; a number of nonconstructive posts were merely posted for the sake of flaming/ harassment. I'm not going to reply on this issue anymore so as I said, decision to close off or open I leave it to TS. If TS wanted to continue the discussion, by all means go ahead.

If you guys have any other issues or problem (or grievances) with this then PM me or another Mod (since I'm like, biased) to discuss.
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Does those not in favour treatened/intimidated by TS (her story) or her message/nerrative about women, working women possibly these days have chosen, are more selective and place, upped their criterias?

I care not much of TS background, her background story but rather find some fascinating insights on those less 'submissive ladies'.

I don't need people to brand me as ohh here's a clueless man, why is he even here. thank you very much, I'm always fascinated of fair maidens, ladies, independent women possiblity...

I hope it's alright to move on than to sidetrack the issue
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Does those not in favour treatened/intimidated by TS (her story) or her message/nerrative about women, working women possibly these days have chosen, are more selective and place, upped their criterias?

I care not much of TS background, her background story but rather find some fascinating insights on those less 'submissive ladies'.

I don't need people to brand me as ohh here's a clueless man, why is he even here. thank you very much, I'm always fascinated of fair maidens, ladies, independent women possiblity...

I hope it's alright to move on than to sidetrack the issue
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It is not these days, it already has been happening a long time ago. Women would always find someone richer than them, and that is their right.
It's just that since they are working now, so naturally the "wealth criteria" would also naturally increase.

What I can't stand is, when they are no longer pretty or with bad attitude and all, if the guy dumps them, they get angry at the guy. They themselves won't settle for less BUT they expect the guys to be loyal to them even though her attractiveness has dropped. It's like they want to demand from the guys, but they don't allow the guys to demand anything form them.






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TS knows what she want, she have her own 'feel-good' factor. Most important she think what she did right, that's about it. But it is all for herself.

I actually do hope that ppl don't take it seriously as everyone have their own personality and hopefully guys don't generalize all ladies have similar character.

I don't marry rich guy, but an ordinary guy with no family inheritance, yet we need to bear our parents' expenses. We don't plan big for future and never have planning when we were younger. But now at 40, we have done pay for a landed property, and another 1 coming up. We drive decent car, with my son happily growing up. We went Malacca for our honeymoon at age near 30. But for the last decade, Phuket is our annual trip as my son wanted to practice his sea-swim. Annual vacation to overseas (no need to mention place) is a norm, as we are fond for winter holidays. All this are not hard to achieve, we just take 1 step at a time being ppl of under employment. I did lost my job before, but soon enough back on normal track. We don't need to marry rich, as long as we found someone who can walk hand-in-hand, thru good and bad... everything will be in order.

As my son is the only child in both family (all our siblings are old-single), and he is expected to inherit quite a fat amount from them. I actually hope he won't bump into such an ambitious gal like TS. A simple, obedient girl will be a better candidate as DIL. smile.gif

And I want to stress that, we (include siblings) are ppl under employment, not professional. And I can say both myself and hubby are not ambitious and we are not risk taker at all. Our income is common figure and may consider low for our age if compare to some ppl. But we still live comfortable life, all based on taking 1 step at a time.
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This is really an interesting thread. However the more I read on, the more I feel TS is exhibiting more and more traits of a pathological liar.

Some obvious cues:

- Stories of grandiose and self-promotion
- Starting Controversial topic and is mindful of the attention it will generate
- Inconsistencies of stories
- Act defensively / Aggressively when confronted
- Avert topic and did not address the inconsistencies raised head on. Asking forumers to come to their own conclusions.
- Using stories and events that seemed familiar of a soap drama / romance novel / other people story (97 crisis ?)
- Shown or having describe good aptitude and instinct in areas of manipulation and influencing of another person

What else did I miss ? But seemed like it tho hmm.gif
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QUOTE(Drian @ Jul 27 2018, 01:22 PM)
It is not these days, it already has been happening a long time ago. Women would always find someone richer than them, and that is their right.
It's just that since they are working now, so naturally the "wealth criteria" would also naturally increase.

What I can't stand is, when they are no longer pretty or with bad attitude and all, if the guy dumps them, they get angry at the guy. They themselves won't settle for less BUT they expect the guys to be loyal to them even though her attractiveness has dropped.  It's like they want to demand from the guys, but  don't allow the guys to demand anything form them.
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YOU MEAN GUYS DROPPED LADIES/WIFES WHEN THEY AGED, BECOME LESS ATTRACTIVE?

is even A reason? a criteria? You point ? What happened to "in sickness and health etc..."

Campak when the goods become weary and less attractive, time for new curvy sweet younglings ? I'm sorry but the point illustrated appears to suggest.

Just clarifying.


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QUOTE(ChAOoz @ Jul 27 2018, 12:48 PM)
This is really an interesting thread. However the more I read on, the more I feel TS is exhibiting more and more traits of a pathological liar.

Some obvious cues:

- Stories of grandiose and self-promotion
- Starting Controversial topic and is mindful of the attention it will generate
- Inconsistencies of stories
- Act defensively / Aggressively when confronted
- Avert topic and did not address the inconsistencies raised head on. Asking forumers to come to their own conclusions.
- Using stories and events that seemed familiar of a soap drama / romance novel / other people story (97 crisis ?)
- Shown or having describe good aptitude and instinct in areas of manipulation and influencing of another person

What else did I miss ? But seemed like it tho  hmm.gif
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+1 oh lawl

seems not only myself, and the other two guy with "doom" nickname can clearly see through her skin.

another thing though, she threatens to bring his lawyer fiance into the play when we exposed her shit. laugh.gif
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QUOTE(koolspyda @ Jul 27 2018, 12:59 PM)
YOU MEAN GUYS DROPPED LADIES/WIFES WHEN THEY AGED, BECOME LESS ATTRACTIVE?

is even A reason? a criteria?  You point ? What happened to "in sickness and health etc..."

Campak when the goods become weary and less attractive, time for new curvy sweet younglings ? I'm sorry but the point illustrated appears to suggest.

Just clarifying.
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Yes, if the girl behaves like in TS case wants to demand, she has to provide, and if she no longer can provide , the guy has the right to dump the woman.
In TS case, it's a transactional process and therefore cannot complain about it.

So , yes women who think like TS has every right to demand for rich guys but since it is transactional ,the rich guy can also demand the same from her.
If the guy goes poor of course, then she can dump him and vice versa.








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You guys instead of exposing her, if you're smart enough , you use her own game/mindset/thought-process against her.


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Not her please.  Check back her post in this thread, it is biased.
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From what i can see here is that TS's main intention is to share out her experiences and methods for the betterment of other forumers here.

Of course, it is common that not every single person will be having the same views with TS or even agreed on what TS been doing hence there's an intense discussion going on over here in this thread.

This actually serves the purpose of this forum and this section, which is to seek advice and also to discuss.

With the discussion going on in this thread, every single user will have the opportunity to read through the opinions and points of both parties and come into their own conclusion on how they shall do with their life.

Which is why I find that it is not necessary to label TS as a troll or any other personal name calling.

Besides that, I also find that it's rather disrespectful to tag other moderators/staffs/admins into this thread. Because LYN itself has a proper channel to voice or to complain about any sort of dissatisfaction towards mods/staffs/admins.

So, it will be more proper if you can file a formal complaint on the respective mod by opening a thread in the helpdesk instead.

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Yes, if the girl behaves like in TS case wants to demand, she has to provide, and if she no longer can provide , the guy has the right to dump the woman.
In TS case, it's a transactional process and therefore cannot complain about it.

So , yes women who think like TS has every right to demand for rich guys but since it is transactional ,the rich guy can also demand the same from her.
If the guy goes poor of course, then she can dump him and vice versa.
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Alright, fair view your opinion on “transactional process”

So it’s forgiven that when women wrinkles sets in, men can I suppose divorce/taliq (if it is even is allowed in religious case(?))

Bugger [sighs] 😦

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You guys instead of exposing her, if you're smart enough , you use her own game/mindset/thought-process against her.
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Whether trolling or real, I feel TS is practising her writing skills and her thought process. She chose a flashy title and you guys got drawn into it. Thanks to you guys, her thread very active.
I feel there is nothing wrong with her being nice to herself and securing a good future. Her ways might be questionable but it is not criminally wrong nor morally wrong.



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YOU MEAN GUYS DROPPED LADIES/WIFES WHEN THEY AGED, BECOME LESS ATTRACTIVE?

is even A reason? a criteria?  You point ? What happened to "in sickness and health etc..."

Campak when the goods become weary and less attractive, time for new curvy sweet younglings ? I'm sorry but the point illustrated appears to suggest.

Just clarifying.
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Drian probably gave a bad example
Altho some guys do that... sweat.gif

but the real problem starts when the relationship becomes one sided (in commitments) regardless before or after marriage. It happens among the older generations too :instead of divorcing like modern generations, they both sleep in different rooms or live separately instead... bet you heard of this kinda stories before.

True unconditional love is very rare indeed even from back in the days but at least they kept the vows lololol laugh.gif.

This tered technically is just simply trying to highlight about laws of attraction and commitments to make it work ... but got blasted out of proportions due to (exaggerated?) extravagance. If the topic is titled "how to marry the man of your dreams" instead; without mentioning the "keyword", im pretty sure things will end differently.
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QUOTE(MasBoleh! @ Jul 27 2018, 01:39 PM)
From what i can see here is that TS's main intention is to share out her experiences and methods for the betterment of other forumers here.

Of course, it is common that not every single person will be having the same views with TS or even agreed on what TS been doing hence there's an intense discussion going on over here in this thread.

This actually serves the purpose of this forum and this section, which is to seek advice and also to discuss.

With the discussion going on in this thread, every single user will have the opportunity to read through the opinions and points of both parties and come into their own conclusion on how they shall do with their life.

Which is why I find that it is not necessary to label TS as a troll or any other personal name calling. 

Besides that, I also find that it's rather disrespectful to tag other moderators/staffs/admins into this thread. Because LYN itself has a proper channel to voice or to complain about any sort of dissatisfaction towards mods/staffs/admins.

So, it will be more proper if you can file a formal complaint on the respective mod by opening a thread in the helpdesk instead.
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You are completely lacking context. I suggest you read the entire thread before making comments. Also, go read the admin's responses in other threads beforw coming in and make high level social justice comments. Your comments completely lack context. And I am completely ok with her differing views of being narcissistic, I am not ok with deliberately manipulating facts. In fact, I provided a very thought out response to TS at the start of this thread, a few long responses as well.

Go read the whole thread before before commenting.
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Drian probably gave a bad example
Altho some guys do that... sweat.gif

but the real problem starts when the relationship becomes one sided (in commitments) regardless before or after marriage. It happens among the older generations too :instead of divorcing like modern generations, they both sleep in different rooms or live separately instead... bet you heard of this kinda stories before.

True unconditional love is very rare indeed even from back in the days but at least they kept the vows lololol laugh.gif.

This tered technically is just simply trying to highlight about laws of attraction and commitments to make it work ... but got blasted out of proportions due to (exaggerated?) extravagance. If the topic is titled "how to marry the man of your dreams" instead; without mentioning the "keyword", im pretty sure things will end differently.
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(Controversial) Headlines/headings or clickbait headings.. I suppose it’s done it’s job, and maybe it’s TS deliberate title.

I know unconditional love is rare, but I will say it’s not really. Sure if both pulls their weight into it. Marriage. Equal or a little more on either side.

First Mutual attraction will alway be based on looks but we all know its not exclusive.

As they say the winner in all separation/divorces cases is always the lawyers.

Stories aplenty, older gen try to stick up to the end, they younger gens, yes most times not.

Yeap, perhaps just enjoy life as is., then

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I'm a young woman, currently 27 years old, who probably share some of the qualities TS proclaims to have, particularly in

1. achievement - owned 2 houses by 26 years old
2. career - earning close to RM10k a month working in the IT industry with a day job and freelance projects (probably not as successful as TS since she earns in SGD)
3. group of friends - have more male friends than female friends, mainly due to the type of industry I work in and the fact that I share more interests in tech with them
4. suffered from acne - went for treatments that costs less than RM10k because my acne was probably not as severe as TS
5. middle-income family - my family owns several businesses, so I had a fairly middle-income upbringing who had their fair share of struggles in poverty (own businesses are fairly unstable, I'm sure many businessmen here can attest to that)
6. excellent command of english - raised in an english speaking environment, but went to chinese schools because my parents believed that its imperative for children to know as many languages as possible

I also have a loving fiancé, due to marry in a few more weeks. My fiancé is not a rich man, he doesn't own a single property or car (till recently), and he is in his mid-30s. It is not that he is not a driven man; he is an intellectual, but he isn't very smart when it comes to managing his finances. But, what he cannot provide for me in monetary value, he provides in other ways the best he knows how to. It's endearing to see a man try his best to give you the best he can based on whatever limited resources he has. It also shows the most vulnerable and sincerest part of a man that is becoming so scarce these days, and that is why I'm marrying him smile.gif

Therefore, not all "glamorous, beautiful and successful" women (in TS own words) have a mindset like TS. Some of us do appreciate genuinely sincere man who are not rich.

Also, I know of many women who shares similar qualities like TS (and myself), who do not share TS mindset. Mainly because we do not like to ask for things, because it's demeaning to our own ego (Yes, women who are "glamorous, beautiful and successful" have their own ego and pride too), to have to rely on a man to get something we want. Instead, we know we are resourceful and capable enough to get the things we want through our own means. There is true satisfaction in that wink.gif

Sorry for the long post. Sekian.

edit: typo

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I'm a young women, currently 27 years old, who probably share some of the qualities TS proclaims to have, particularly in

1. achievement - owned 2 houses by 26 years old
2. career - earning close to RM10k a month working in the IT industry with a day job and freelance projects (probably not as successful as TS since she earns in SGD)
3. group of friends - have more male friends than female friends, mainly due to the type of industry I work in and the fact that I share more interests in tech with them
4. suffered from acne - went for treatments that costs less than RM10k because my acne was probably not as severe as TS
5. middle-income family - my family owns several businesses, so I had a fairly middle-income upbringing who had their fair share of struggles in poverty (own businesses are fairly unstable, I'm sure many businessmen here can attest to that)
6. excellent command of english - raised in an english speaking environment, but went to chinese schools because my parents believed that its imperative for children to know as many languages as possible

I also have a loving fiancé, due to marry in a few more weeks. My fiancé is not a rich man, he doesn't own have a single property or car (till recently), and he is in his mid-30s. It is not that he is not a driven man; he is an intellectual, but he isn't very smart when it comes to managing his finances. But, what he cannot provide for me in monetary value, he provides in other ways the best he knows how to. It's endearing to see a man try his best to give you the best he can based on whatever limited resources he has. It also shows the most vulnerable and sincerest part of a man that is becoming so scarce these days, and that is why I'm marrying him smile.gif

Therefore, not all "glamorous, beautiful and successful" women (in TS own words) have a mindset like TS. Some of us do appreciate genuinely sincere man who are not rich.

Also, I know of many women who shares similar qualities like TS (and myself), who do not share TS mindset. Mainly because we do not like to ask for things, because it's demeaning to our own ego (Yes, women who are "glamorous, beautiful and successful" have their own ego and pride too), to have to rely on a man to get something we want. Instead, we know we are resourceful and capable enough to get the things we want through our own means. There is true satisfaction in that wink.gif

Sorry for the long post. Sekian.
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(Controversial) Headlines/headings or clickbait headings.. I suppose it’s done it’s job, and maybe it’s TS deliberate title.

I know unconditional love is rare, but I will say it’s not really. Sure if both pulls their weight into it. Marriage. Equal or a little more on either side.

First Mutual attraction will alway be based on looks but we all know its not exclusive.

As they say the winner in all separation/divorces cases is always the lawyers. (+1)

Stories aplenty, older gen try to stick up to the end, they younger gens, yes most times not.

Yeap, perhaps just enjoy life as is., then
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Yea man, love is indeed simple, just needs 2 hands to clap. All it takes is just a little effort from both side to make everything work... like the older gens (to be sticking up till the end actually requires more commitment than being happily married lol)

Younger gens tend to give it up pretty easily as many felt they are entitled *cough cough* especially with influences from social media :- they start to compare themselves with others (this is where all the problem starts) rclxms.gif

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It is good to get more views from the women in CC and to stick to the topic.

TS advice for women to be intelligent or at least appear to be intelligent is not something new as there are many other forums and websites that say the same thing about trying to attract rich man.

What we need is for more women to share their experiences about dating rich man and how they did it.

Of course it is good for men to know that there are still woman out there who don't believe that money is everything.

I honestly thought that such women especially the younger generation are already extinct.

Too bad I am already married and out of the game, but to the younger single bros out there, there is hope for all of you and please don't be jerks and judge women solely by their physical beauty and look deeper to find your connection
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QUOTE(MasBoleh! @ Jul 27 2018, 01:39 PM)
From what i can see here is that TS's main intention is to share out her experiences and methods for the betterment of other forumers here.

Of course, it is common that not every single person will be having the same views with TS or even agreed on what TS been doing hence there's an intense discussion going on over here in this thread.

This actually serves the purpose of this forum and this section, which is to seek advice and also to discuss.

With the discussion going on in this thread, every single user will have the opportunity to read through the opinions and points of both parties and come into their own conclusion on how they shall do with their life.

Which is why I find that it is not necessary to label TS as a troll or any other personal name calling. 

Besides that, I also find that it's rather disrespectful to tag other moderators/staffs/admins into this thread. Because LYN itself has a proper channel to voice or to complain about any sort of dissatisfaction towards mods/staffs/admins.

So, it will be more proper if you can file a formal complaint on the respective mod by opening a thread in the helpdesk instead.
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Dont just read the first post. Read all her other posts to understand why myself and 3 other guys are clamping down on her.
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QUOTE(koolspyda @ Jul 27 2018, 03:22 PM)
It's not a long post. It's enlightening to have views
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QUOTE(borgeouisbella @ Jul 27 2018, 03:18 PM)
I'm a young woman, currently 27 years old, who probably share some of the qualities TS proclaims to have, particularly in

1. achievement - owned 2 houses by 26 years old
2. career - earning close to RM10k a month working in the IT industry with a day job and freelance projects (probably not as successful as TS since she earns in SGD)
3. group of friends - have more male friends than female friends, mainly due to the type of industry I work in and the fact that I share more interests in tech with them
4. suffered from acne - went for treatments that costs less than RM10k because my acne was probably not as severe as TS
5. middle-income family - my family owns several businesses, so I had a fairly middle-income upbringing who had their fair share of struggles in poverty (own businesses are fairly unstable, I'm sure many businessmen here can attest to that)
6. excellent command of english - raised in an english speaking environment, but went to chinese schools because my parents believed that its imperative for children to know as many languages as possible

I also have a loving fiancé, due to marry in a few more weeks. My fiancé is not a rich man, he doesn't own a single property or car (till recently), and he is in his mid-30s. It is not that he is not a driven man; he is an intellectual, but he isn't very smart when it comes to managing his finances. But, what he cannot provide for me in monetary value, he provides in other ways the best he knows how to. It's endearing to see a man try his best to give you the best he can based on whatever limited resources he has. It also shows the most vulnerable and sincerest part of a man that is becoming so scarce these days, and that is why I'm marrying him smile.gif

Therefore, not all "glamorous, beautiful and successful" women (in TS own words) have a mindset like TS. Some of us do appreciate genuinely sincere man who are not rich.

Also, I know of many women who shares similar qualities like TS (and myself), who do not share TS mindset. Mainly because we do not like to ask for things, because it's demeaning to our own ego (Yes, women who are "glamorous, beautiful and successful" have their own ego and pride too), to have to rely on a man to get something we want. Instead, we know we are resourceful and capable enough to get the things we want through our own means. There is true satisfaction in that wink.gif

Sorry for the long post. Sekian.

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Your fiance is a lucky man. After almost twenty pages your post made me believe that there is still true love. Thanks

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Your fiance is a lucky man. After almost twenty pages your post made me believe that there is still true love. Thanks
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Dont think she is true love, she already said her fiance will try his best to fulfill what ever she want...
this is more like she squeezing her fiance until dry, regardless her fiance is voluntarily or involuntarily..

if her fiance is not a dumb guy that willing to be squeezed, i'm sure she don't even give a damn to her current fiance.. and they will not be together..

"true love" is always associate with certain monetary value or benefits, there is not pure pure pure "true love" in this world...


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QUOTE(o0o0 @ Jul 27 2018, 05:32 PM)
Dont think she is true love, she already said her fiance will try his best to fulfill what ever she want...
this is more like she squeezing her fiance until dry, regardless her fiance is voluntarily or involuntarily..

if her fiance is not a dumb guy that willing to be squeezed, i'm sure she don't even give a damn to her current fiance.. and they will not be together..

"true love" is always associate with certain monetary value or benefits, there is not pure pure pure "true love" in this world...
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What makes you think she is squeezing him? Or that she doesn't give a damn about him?

Try asking what she brings to the relationship.
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QUOTE(o0o0 @ Jul 27 2018, 05:32 PM)
Dont think she is true love, she already said her fiance will try his best to fulfill what ever she want...
this is more like she squeezing her fiance until dry, regardless her fiance is voluntarily or involuntarily..

if her fiance is not a dumb guy that willing to be squeezed, i'm sure she don't even give a damn to her current fiance.. and they will not be together..

"true love" is always associate with certain monetary value or benefits, there is not pure pure pure "true love" in this world...
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I would not say that what me and my fiance share is considered true love, because true love is such a subjective term and can mean different things to different people. I will not even delve into the topic of how a relationship should work, because I am fairly new to this domain. (For god's sake, i'm only 27 and this is my first marriage 😳)

What I can tell you is this, my fiance and I both have fairly strong personalities. However, throughout the years that we have been dating, we have both sacrificed and compromised to make things work, even as things were getting too hard for either of us. I do it because he genuinely cares for me and does his best in everything that he sets out to do. However, I can't speak for him and could only imagine why he would want to put up with me 😁
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QUOTE(borgeouisbella @ Jul 27 2018, 03:18 PM)
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I also have a loving fiancé, due to marry in a few more weeks. My fiancé is not a rich man, he doesn't own a single property or car (till recently), and he is in his mid-30s. It is not that he is not a driven man; he is an intellectual, but he isn't very smart when it comes to managing his finances. But, what he cannot provide for me in monetary value, he provides in other ways the best he knows how to. It's endearing to see a man try his best to give you the best he can based on whatever limited resources he has. It also shows the most vulnerable and sincerest part of a man that is becoming so scarce these days, and that is why I'm marrying him smile.gif

Therefore, not all "glamorous, beautiful and successful" women (in TS own words) have a mindset like TS. Some of us do appreciate genuinely sincere man who are not rich.

Also, I know of many women who shares similar qualities like TS (and myself), who do not share TS mindset. Mainly because we do not like to ask for things, because it's demeaning to our own ego (Yes, women who are "glamorous, beautiful and successful" have their own ego and pride too), to have to rely on a man to get something we want. Instead, we know we are resourceful and capable enough to get the things we want through our own means. There is true satisfaction in that wink.gif

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You're still living in your lovey-dovey fantasy.

My questions for you:
1. Who are paying for your wedding expenses, you or him, your side or his side, more? What is the cost breakdown?
2. Did he give you any gold jewellery and bride price (聘金) to you and your parents? Is it more than RM5k or RM10k?
3. Are you going on a honeymoon trip? Who paid for it? Where is it? 3-star, 4-star or 5-star hotel?
4. Where will you be staying after marriage, in your own house or his rented place?
5. Do you plan to have any children? If yes, how many?
6. Once you have children, who will be the main breadwinner of the household, you or your husband-to-be?
7. Who will be paying for your pregnancy, childbirth (hospitalisation), confinement, childcare and insurance?
8. Who will bear the expenses for your children's education, from primary to tertiary level, including tuition fees?

He's in his mid-30s, and if he can't even provide well for you financially, I doubt he can provide for your children, or pay for all these, or even share 50-50 of the expenses. You'll be the one working hard and feeding the family then, since your income is so much higher than his and your family is most likely to be richer than his. He'll be the one getting the free rides (in and out of bed).

Otherwise, prove that I am wrong by providing the specifics. Be honest in your answers.

You shared your ideal "true love" side of your relationship and marriage (soon), but you did not share the realistic side of it. I'd see it as giving false hopes to "poor man" and "average Joe" that they can strike the "jackpot" so easily.

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Just to add on:

My fiance is a lawyer, so this is the legal definition of marriage he taught me:

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The legal status, condition, or relationship that results from a contract by which one man and one woman, who have the capacity to enter into such an agreement, mutually promise to live together in the relationship of Husband and Wife in law for life, or until the legal termination of the relationship.

Marriage is a legally sanctioned contract between a man and a woman. Entering into a marriage contract changes the legal status of both parties, giving husband and wife new rights and obligations.


It's more than just a wedding vow (which most people break it).

FYI, when he and I first started dating, we discussed everything from wedding expenses, pregnancy, childbirth, education, retirement, funeral planning and will planning etc, and introduced our backgrounds (family and relatives). We knew each other like the back of our hands.

Such heavy and serious conversations occurred in the first 3 months of our relationship, when it's usually the infatuation stage for most couples. We love each other (dating) but we are also extremely practical (marriage).

Why? We've seen too many couple fights and quarrels, and divorces. We are smart enough to plan ahead, to prevent all these from happening, and ensure all our life goals and values are aligned. This is the practical side of a romantic relationship.

I believe we're one of the very few couples who actually discussed such topics in the early stage of dating. That's because we date not to get heartbreaks, and marry not to end in divorce. Prevention is always better than cure, and the earlier, the better it is.

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QUOTE(borgeouisbella @ Jul 27 2018, 03:18 PM)
I'm a young woman, currently 27 years old, who probably share some of the qualities TS proclaims to have, particularly in

1. achievement - owned 2 houses by 26 years old
2. career - earning close to RM10k a month working in the IT industry with a day job and freelance projects (probably not as successful as TS since she earns in SGD)
3. group of friends - have more male friends than female friends, mainly due to the type of industry I work in and the fact that I share more interests in tech with them
4. suffered from acne - went for treatments that costs less than RM10k because my acne was probably not as severe as TS
5. middle-income family - my family owns several businesses, so I had a fairly middle-income upbringing who had their fair share of struggles in poverty (own businesses are fairly unstable, I'm sure many businessmen here can attest to that)
6. excellent command of english - raised in an english speaking environment, but went to chinese schools because my parents believed that its imperative for children to know as many languages as possible

I also have a loving fiancé, due to marry in a few more weeks. My fiancé is not a rich man, he doesn't own a single property or car (till recently), and he is in his mid-30s. It is not that he is not a driven man; he is an intellectual, but he isn't very smart when it comes to managing his finances. But, what he cannot provide for me in monetary value, he provides in other ways the best he knows how to. It's endearing to see a man try his best to give you the best he can based on whatever limited resources he has. It also shows the most vulnerable and sincerest part of a man that is becoming so scarce these days, and that is why I'm marrying him smile.gif

Therefore, not all "glamorous, beautiful and successful" women (in TS own words) have a mindset like TS. Some of us do appreciate genuinely sincere man who are not rich.

Also, I know of many women who shares similar qualities like TS (and myself), who do not share TS mindset. Mainly because we do not like to ask for things, because it's demeaning to our own ego (Yes, women who are "glamorous, beautiful and successful" have their own ego and pride too), to have to rely on a man to get something we want. Instead, we know we are resourceful and capable enough to get the things we want through our own means. There is true satisfaction in that wink.gif

Sorry for the long post. Sekian.

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Nowadays some woman is younger than you should follow what you are doing
not just procrastinating why men should be the one giving the finances in everything to the wife.
Your fiance is a lucky man i can see ,and he also try his ways on how to be a man who can provide a car at least (LOL),House nowadays,need baby step
There are some people who cant see men who earns lesser or has lower position than a woman when it comes to family issue ( until today i dunno why).. but i also heard the same story from my ex colleague when they share thier story with me and they live normally with kids.
Marriage costing to be honest i don't know ,but i am sure there is way for you both ,even in kids , honeymoon wise (this shouldn't be questioned ,the future is up to you both )
I also believe that in bring up the family ,women also should be a big support in managing finances for men because most men x kira sgt in expenditure ,hence always overshot budget (like me )
I wish you guys the best in future and live happily together
i also hope myself to meet a lady with mindset of yours after i stabilize myself (knows 'the direction' ,not those spinning the balls of thoughts on a football field giving weird signals and words )
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QUOTE(Ralna @ Jul 27 2018, 06:14 PM)
You're still living in your lovey-dovey fantasy.

My questions for you:
1. Who are paying for your wedding expenses, you or him, your side or his side, more? What is the cost breakdown?
2. Did he give you any gold jewellery and bride price (聘金) to you and your parents? Is it more than RM5k or RM10k?
3. Are you going on a honeymoon trip? Who paid for it? Where is it? 3-star, 4-star or 5-star hotel?
4. Where will you be staying after marriage, in your own house or his rented place?
5. Do you plan to have any children? If yes, how many?
6. Once you have children, who will be the main breadwinner of the household, you or your husband-to-be?
7. Who will be paying for your pregnancy, childbirth (hospitalisation), confinement, childcare and insurance?
8. Who will bear the expenses for your children's education, from primary to tertiary level, including tuition fees?

He's in his mid-30s, and if he can't even provide well for you financially, I doubt he can provide for your children, or pay for all these, or even share 50-50 of the expenses. You'll be the one working hard and feeding the family then, since your income is so much higher than his and your family is most likely to be richer than his. He'll be the one getting the free rides (in and out of bed).

Otherwise, prove that I am wrong by providing the specifics. Be honest in your answers.

You shared your ideal "true love" side of your relationship and marriage (soon), but you did not share the realistic side of it. I'd see it as giving false hopes to "poor man" and "average Joe".
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Very well. But pardon me if I'm being too short as I'm not someone who likes to explain herself much.

1. Cost breakdown
Dinner in hotel - RM35k in hotel for 20 tables (covers everything including invitation cards, deco, and hotel stays for 1 night)
Dress - RM1,160 (bought 2 from a wholesale shop in KL)
Suit - RM980 for 2
Hair and Makeup - RM700
Car deco - RM500
Angpaos for tea ceremony - RM600+/-
How are we paying for it? We both have savings you know? We are both paying for the dinner 50-50 (mostly can be recovered from angpaos anyway). Suit and car deco covered by him. Dresses, hair and make up covered by myself.

2. No. They rejected his offer of providing a dowry. So no cost.

3. We have allocated a small budget for Bangkok. It's not alot but it's enough for a short getaway. Roughly around RM10k. This fund is coming from both of us, but if there are extras from the wedding dinner angpaos, then all the better.

4. Of course my house. Doesn't make sense to rent when I already have a house. We're already staying together anyway. I cover the monthly installments, he covers utilities and groceries. It's not a 50-50 dutch, there will be times where I contribute more, or he contributes more.

5. Yes, preferably 1 only.

6. We have many options, which we have discussed before. I will never resign and be a housewife though, I come from generations of business owners where the women are just as capable as the men. Even till today, my mum refuses to retire at 60 years old and is still managing her own business and travelling around the world. Besides, the burden of a single breadwinner is too much, it's better to have both spouses working.

7. Thankfully, confinement and childcare will be managed by our parents, they both volunteered. Both my company and his company covers childbirth. Insurance will be bared by us of course. We're already paying for our own insurance and looking to get a family one.

8. I did well in independent chinese schools and subsequently government schools. I don't see how they can cost alot. I myself took a student loan for my degree because I didn't want to burden my parents with a RM80k school fees. I don't see why my children can't do that themselves.

I won't advocate that my life is better than yours or that your life is better. That's subjective to what you want in life. However, your very mindset and how you proclaim to be a successful woman, yet look at what you are actually advocating, is extremely misleading and demeaning to many successful women I know and work with.
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QUOTE(yungkit14 @ Jul 27 2018, 06:47 PM)
Nowadays some woman is younger than you should follow  what you are doing
not just procrastinating why men should be the one giving  the finances in everything to the wife.
Your fiance is  a lucky man i can see ,and he also try  his ways on how to be a man who can provide a car at least (LOL),House nowadays,need baby step
There are some people who cant see men who earns lesser or has lower position than a woman when it comes to family issue ( until today i dunno why).. but i also heard the same story from my ex colleague when they share thier story with me and they live normally with kids.
Marriage costing to be honest  i don't know ,but i am sure there is way for you both ,even in kids , honeymoon wise  (this shouldn't be questioned ,the future is up to you both )
I also  believe that in bring up the family ,women also should be a big support in managing finances for men because  most men x kira sgt in expenditure ,hence always overshot budget (like me )
I wish you guys the best in future and live happily together
i also hope myself to meet a  lady with mindset of yours after i stabilize myself (knows 'the direction' ,not those spinning the balls of thoughts on a football field giving weird signals and words )
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Thanks! But I believe it goes both ways. He's good in alot of things I'm not, and sometimes he manages things better than I can (probably comes with age? 😂).

Thankfully or the wedding, we're both spending only on the necessary stuff to make our parents happy. However, we have to spend alot of time sourcing for cheaper things, like wedding gowns, suits, and wedding pictures.

As for our lives, I think we both already established that we're not the conventional male-female relationship in traditional roles. For example, he does the cooking, grocery shopping and pays half the bill. I do the cleaning and pay the other half of the bill, including my installments. Not the conventional typical relationships out there, but it seems to be getting common as more women are becoming career oriented. I also believe that as gender roles becomes more and more skewed in the future, traditional gender roles will be a thing of the past.
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QUOTE(borgeouisbella @ Jul 27 2018, 08:29 PM)
Thanks! But I believe it goes both ways. He's good in alot of things I'm not, and sometimes he manages things better than I can (probably comes with age? 😂).

Thankfully or the wedding, we're both spending only on the necessary stuff to make our parents happy. However, we have to spend alot of time sourcing for cheaper things, like wedding gowns, suits, and wedding pictures.

As for our lives, I think we both already established that we're not the conventional male-female relationship in traditional roles. For example, he does the cooking, grocery shopping and pays half the bill. I do the cleaning and pay the other half of the bill, including my installments. Not the conventional typical relationships out there, but it seems to be getting common as more women are becoming career oriented. I also believe that as gender roles becomes more and more skewed in the future, traditional gender roles will be a thing of the past.
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Aw compliment your husband to be for us ,that's sweet.

Your wedding is how you decided like i said but i really like the budget on how it is planned and use by you both.(LOL!)
For me ,sign paper ,take those money put in good photo and honeymoon is enough (if there is my future partner thinking the same thing )

Carrier woman or not carrier orientated is not the issue but i am trying to convey a message .Its 2018 ,
Don't just let the guy to face the front line alone since there is a wise man saying a successful man always have a woman behind him
front-line means also the finance, other stuff not bragging je by someone

Gender role wise i am sorry to say ,we are still not in the american level yet
There are still in their traditional mentality so it will take years ,but what is their mindset ,is theirs not our own

Wish you luck and very best to your future family smile.gif

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QUOTE(borgeouisbella @ Jul 27 2018, 07:26 PM)
Very well. But pardon me if I'm being too short as I'm not someone who likes to explain herself much.

1. Cost breakdown
Dinner in hotel - RM35k in hotel for 20 tables (covers everything including invitation cards, deco, and hotel stays for 1 night)
Dress - RM1,160 (bought 2 from a wholesale shop in KL)
Suit - RM980 for 2
Hair and Makeup - RM700
Car deco - RM500
Angpaos for tea ceremony - RM600+/-
How are we paying for it? We both have savings you know? We are both paying for the dinner 50-50 (mostly can be recovered from angpaos anyway). Suit and car deco covered by him. Dresses, hair and make up covered by myself.

2. No. They rejected his offer of providing a dowry. So no cost.

3. We have allocated a small budget for Bangkok. It's not alot but it's enough for a short getaway. Roughly around RM10k. This fund is coming from both of us, but if there are extras from the wedding dinner angpaos, then all the better.

4. Of course my house. Doesn't make sense to rent when I already have a house. We're already staying together anyway. I cover the monthly installments, he covers utilities and groceries. It's not a 50-50 dutch, there will be times where I contribute more, or he contributes more.

5. Yes, preferably 1 only.

6. We have many options, which we have discussed before. I will never resign and be a housewife though, I come from generations of business owners where the women are just as capable as the men. Even till today, my mum refuses to retire at 60 years old and is still managing her own business and travelling around the world. Besides, the burden of a single breadwinner is too much, it's better to have both spouses working.

7. Thankfully, confinement and childcare will be managed by our parents, they both volunteered. Both my company and his company covers childbirth. Insurance will be bared by us of course. We're already paying for our own insurance and looking to get a family one.

8. I did well in independent chinese schools and subsequently government schools. I don't see how they can cost alot. I myself took a student loan for my degree because I didn't want to burden my parents with a RM80k school fees. I don't see why my children can't do that themselves.

I won't advocate that my life is better than yours or that your life is better. That's subjective to what you want in life. However, your very mindset and how you proclaim to be a successful woman, yet look at what you are actually advocating, is extremely misleading and demeaning to many successful women I know and work with.
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"My fiancé is not a rich man, he doesn't own a single property or car (till recently)."

Plus this sentence "what he cannot provide for me in monetary value, he provides in other ways the best he knows how to. It's endearing to see a man try his best to give you the best he can based on whatever limited resources he has."

These two sentences are misleading. You're putting in a nice way that you're milking him. I wrote it more bluntly and directly, but you put it in a flowery way.

What your fiance did:
- got a car FINALLY, in his mid-30s... but why only recently? Is it for your wedding? So before this, he rode a motorcycle or used public transport, or drove a company car? Anyway, downpayment for a car is at least 4-digit, let's say it's RM5k.
- paying for the dinner 50-50, which means his savings spent on this is about RM16k.
- "small budget" for a Bangkok short getaway is RM10k, which means he paid RM5k. (RM10k for Bangkok getaway is a lot, ok?)
- His company covers childbirth

So, his savings is probably around RM30k-50k.

This is "not rich" enough, for you?

How many single men out there have RM30k-50k savings in their account, with company benefits that cover childbirth? Do you know most Malaysians live paycheck to paycheck?

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"I did well in independent chinese schools and subsequently government schools. I don't see how they can cost alot. I myself took a student loan for my degree because I didn't want to burden my parents with a RM80k school fees."

FYI, I also did well in gov schools, but I worked hard to get into public university, and took a student loan that cost RM21k only. & my Master's degree? Is only RM12k, and I was on a scholarship. Total is RM33k, which is only about a third of your degree school fees.

& you think your RM80k degree didn't cost a lot? Wow.

Look who's bragging here, now.

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I think I understand poverty much better than you do, and I'm more frugal than you are. So yeah, you are way more successful than me, and your definition of rich is probably T20.

Btw, for this year, my anniversary getaway to Phuket, 4D3N in 4-star hotel + airfares, is only RM550 per pax = RM1,200 for two. My fiance is rich, but I didn't ask for much. I said I wanna go to Phuket, and I sourced for the best offer. I don't squander his wealth although he's earning 5-digit SGD.

Yet, you spend RM10k on your Bangkok honeymoon short-getaway (while you claim your fiance isn't rich = probably earning 4-digit MYR), and you call this "small budget". Is this how a 27-year-old from biz family think?

I really dunno what to say now, after being nastily labelled by forumers all this while as "a materialistic, narcissistic gold-digging bitch" just because of my direct & brutally honest writing style that bruised their ego.

This is so unfair. Good job, guys.

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T20 is not considered to be rich.

Maybe If you are in the T5 perhaps but definition of T20 with household income of around 15k cannot be considered to be rich by any standards.

You just need both husband and wife to be middle income management each earning about 7k to 8k. How could this ever be considered to be rich. It is barely middle income at best.

To be in T20 is what the previous government wanted to hoodwink the minions that Malaysia was about to achieve High Income Status but they forgot to also mention that Malaysia was at even Higher Expense Nation.
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T20 is not considered to be rich.

Maybe If you are in the T5 perhaps but definition of T20 with household income of around 15k cannot be considered to be rich by any standards.

You just need both husband and wife to be middle income management each earning about 7k to 8k. How could this ever be considered to be rich. It is barely middle income at best.

To be in T20 is what the previous government wanted to hoodwink the minions that Malaysia was about to achieve High Income Status but they forgot to also mention that Malaysia was at even Higher Expense Nation.
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Wait.. T20 only means RM 15k household income??

Why the standard of the "rich" is getting lower since these few days

The definition of rich means one is able to afford a supercar, send at least 2 kids to intl schools, staying in banglo in prime area, that is the life of CxOs and partners of professional firm, if not owning some SMEs around.



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I find myself not needing to explain much anymore, since from proclaiming yourself to be a "glamorous, beautiful, and successful woman", you had to use your fiance's money to pay for a meager RM1,200 vacation in Phuket. biggrin.gif

FYI, RM10k is the maximum allocation for the whole trip, which includes shopping, flights, hotels. Of course, it would be better if we can spend around RM5k for the whole trip, but we're not allowed to spend anything more than that. Also, my fiance has never traveled out of Malaysia before, this is his first time, so we're allocating more budget to spend to make it much more memorable.

If you think my definition of rich is in the T20, then I would implore you to widen your social circle and meet more successful people, especially with the inflated economy in Malaysia and dwindling MYR currency. Besides if I'm T20, then most of my colleagues and friends should be the Top 1% of the world rolleyes.gif
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T20 in 2016 is only RM13,148

Maybe in 2018 increase to say RM15,000

https://www.dosm.gov.my/v1/index.php?r=colu...mdhMjFMMWcyZz09


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Wait.. T20 only means RM 15k household income??

Why the standard of the "rich" is getting lower since these few days

The definition of rich means one is able to afford a supercar, send at least 2 kids to intl schools, staying in banglo in prime area, that is the life of CxOs and partners of professional firm, if not owning some SMEs around.
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Yeah, to be real honest, I still don't understand why I am labelled as "materialistic, narcissistic gold-digging bitch", when in fact, I have already given my definition of rich in Post#243 and Post#257 & #258 (page 13) when you asked me, and I replied that:

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If I am single, I think RM5000-10k is good enough, coz that was my previous income.

If I am married, the household income should be RM15k+ a month, especially if we have children.

If we are self-employed/ doing biz, I think a decent amount would be RM20-50k. Anything more than that, I think it's considered excess.

My preference is to be in the upper middle class.
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This is the new definition of T20:

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Source: https://www.comparehero.my/blog/t20-m40-b40-malaysia

Yeah, Malaysian standard of rich. My standard too. I really don't know what's so "gold-digging" about me.
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"My fiancé is not a rich man, he doesn't own a single property or car (till recently)."

Plus this sentence "what he cannot provide for me in monetary value, he provides in other ways the best he knows how to. It's endearing to see a man try his best to give you the best he can based on whatever limited resources he has."

These two sentences are misleading. You're putting in a nice way that you're milking him. I wrote it more bluntly and directly, but you put it in a flowery way.

What your fiance did:
- got a car FINALLY, in his mid-30s... but why only recently? Is it for your wedding? So before this, he rode a motorcycle or used public transport, or drove a company car? Anyway, downpayment for a car is at least 4-digit, let's say it's RM5k.
- paying for the dinner 50-50, which means his savings spent on this is about RM16k.
- "small budget" for a Bangkok short getaway is RM10k, which means he paid RM5k. (RM10k for Bangkok getaway is a lot, ok?)
- His company covers childbirth

So, his savings is probably around RM30k-50k.

This is "not rich" enough, for you?

How many single men out there have RM30k-50k savings in their account, with company benefits that cover childbirth? Do you know most Malaysians live paycheck to paycheck?

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"I did well in independent chinese schools and subsequently government schools. I don't see how they can cost alot. I myself took a student loan for my degree because I didn't want to burden my parents with a RM80k school fees."

FYI, I also did well in gov schools, but I worked hard to get into public university, and took a student loan that cost RM21k only. & my Master's degree? Is only RM12k, and I was on a scholarship. Total is RM33k, which is only about a third of your degree school fees.

& you think your RM80k degree didn't cost a lot? Wow.

Look who's bragging here, now.

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I think I understand poverty much better than you do, and I'm more frugal than you are. So yeah, you are way more successful than me, and your definition of rich is probably T20.

Btw, for this year, my anniversary getaway to Phuket, 4D3N in 4-star hotel + airfares, is only RM550 per pax = RM1,200 for two. My fiance is rich, but I didn't ask for much. I said I wanna go to Phuket, and I sourced for the best offer. I don't squander his wealth although he's earning 5-digit SGD.

Yet, you spend RM10k on your Bangkok honeymoon short-getaway (while you claim your fiance isn't rich = probably earning 4-digit MYR), and you call this "small budget". Is this how a 27-year-old from biz family think?

I really dunno what to say now, after being nastily labelled by forumers all this while as "a materialistic, narcissistic gold-digging bitch" just because of my direct & brutally honest writing style that bruised their ego.

This is so unfair. Good job, guys.
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I lazy to reply in long winded post

You suddenly sounds like those can afford an iPhone X is automatically rich in your dictionary

In corporate settings I don't think managers ever claimed themselves as rich despite earning 5 digit
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I find myself not needing to explain much anymore, since from proclaiming yourself to be a "glamorous, beautiful, and successful woman", you had to use your fiance's money to pay for a meager RM1,200 vacation in Phuket. biggrin.gif

FYI, RM10k is the maximum allocation for the whole trip, which includes shopping, flights, hotels. Of course, it would be better if we can spend around RM5k for the whole trip, but we're not allowed to spend anything more than that. Also, my fiance has never traveled out of Malaysia before, this is his first time, so we're allocating more budget to spend to make it much more memorable.

If you think my definition of rich is in the T20, then I would implore you to widen your social circle and meet more successful people, especially with the inflated economy in Malaysia and dwindling MYR currency. Besides if I'm T20, then most of my colleagues and friends should be the Top 1% of the world rolleyes.gif
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"you had to use your fiance's money to pay for a meager RM1,200 vacation in Phuket.biggrin.gif "

You really have no idea what you're talking about.

1) I was the one who paid for the trip, booked the flights and 4-star hotel, coz our anniversary month is also his birthday month.
2) We are going there during the moderate season (his b'day month), not high season. That's why it's not as expensive.
3) RM1,200 is for 4D3N 4-star hotel accommodation + flights, EXCLUDING other expenses. Read that properly.

Btw, following your logic, rich people can't go on budget trips? This word "meager RM1,200 vacation" is a big slap to the others who like to hunt for budget trips. Posts about budget trips are prevalent and popular on FB. Following your logic, these people are cheap-skates? & your RM10k budget for Bangkok trip is considered adequate?


"I would implore you to widen your social circle and meet more successful people"

I don't need you to advise me on that, coz I already have wide networks of friends and also, network of successful people. FYI, I was headhunted to work in SG, and since 2016 till today, I received 17 job offers which I never applied for, coz it's usually the recruiters or potential employers contacting me. I've already stated that in a few posts. You should know what all these means.

Just last night, I was chatting with a CEO about biz, and today, I'm in Singapore for the weekend to attend a seminar conducted by a SG wealth coach.

Again, up to you whether to believe it or not, but this is the life I'm living, which my friends know of, and a few forumers here too, who have met me in real life.

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QUOTE(Ralna @ Jul 27 2018, 09:12 PM)
"My fiancé is not a rich man, he doesn't own a single property or car (till recently)."

Plus this sentence "what he cannot provide for me in monetary value, he provides in other ways the best he knows how to. It's endearing to see a man try his best to give you the best he can based on whatever limited resources he has."

These two sentences are misleading. You're putting in a nice way that you're milking him. I wrote it more bluntly and directly, but you put it in a flowery way.

What your fiance did:
- got a car FINALLY, in his mid-30s... but why only recently? Is it for your wedding? So before this, he rode a motorcycle or used public transport, or drove a company car? Anyway, downpayment for a car is at least 4-digit, let's say it's RM5k.
- paying for the dinner 50-50, which means his savings spent on this is about RM16k.
- "small budget" for a Bangkok short getaway is RM10k, which means he paid RM5k. (RM10k for Bangkok getaway is a lot, ok?)
- His company covers childbirth

So, his savings is probably around RM30k-50k.

This is "not rich" enough, for you?

How many single men out there have RM30k-50k savings in their account, with company benefits that cover childbirth? Do you know most Malaysians live paycheck to paycheck?

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"I did well in independent chinese schools and subsequently government schools. I don't see how they can cost alot. I myself took a student loan for my degree because I didn't want to burden my parents with a RM80k school fees."

FYI, I also did well in gov schools, but I worked hard to get into public university, and took a student loan that cost RM21k only. & my Master's degree? Is only RM12k, and I was on a scholarship. Total is RM33k, which is only about a third of your degree school fees.

& you think your RM80k degree didn't cost a lot? Wow.

Look who's bragging here, now.

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I think I understand poverty much better than you do, and I'm more frugal than you are. So yeah, you are way more successful than me, and your definition of rich is probably T20.

Btw, for this year, my anniversary getaway to Phuket, 4D3N in 4-star hotel + airfares, is only RM550 per pax = RM1,200 for two. My fiance is rich, but I didn't ask for much. I said I wanna go to Phuket, and I sourced for the best offer. I don't squander his wealth although he's earning 5-digit SGD.

Yet, you spend RM10k on your Bangkok honeymoon short-getaway (while you claim your fiance isn't rich = probably earning 4-digit MYR), and you call this "small budget". Is this how a 27-year-old from biz family think?

I really dunno what to say now, after being nastily labelled by forumers all this while as "a materialistic, narcissistic gold-digging bitch" just because of my direct & brutally honest writing style that bruised their ego.

This is so unfair. Good job, guys.
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Rich is the people described in the first post.

30-50k savings? For a guy in 30s and especially since he was described as an intellectual, very likely. Since he doesn't or didn't own a house or car, he could be very cash rich. Being bad with managing finances doesn't mean he is a spendthrift but could also mean he doesn't know how to invest and make his money work for him.

Not sure how much student loan you take translates to how rich you are. It's just a loan. It might take her longer to pay off compared to yours.

10k for a honeymoon? A lot of money I agree. Could be done with less. But why not? It's not your run of the mill holiday. It is supposed to be a til death do you part kind of situation they're getting into.

I used to think money was important. It still is to some extent but after bouts of bad health plus seeing people I know pass away or have serious illnesses, I started to appreciate other things in life. Spending time with family and friends for starters.
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QUOTE(PhakFuhZai @ Jul 27 2018, 10:24 PM)
I lazy to reply in long winded post

You suddenly sounds like those can afford an iPhone X is automatically rich in your dictionary

In corporate settings I don't think managers ever claimed themselves as rich despite earning 5 digit
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"Rich" is a highly subjective term. To B40, spending RM3k+ on iPhone X is considered rich. To M40, it's considered... & to T20, it's considered ... ?

For example, I won't spend RM3k+ on an iPhone, but I'll spend it on pampering sessions. My detox massage package alone was around RM5000, which I think is more worthwhile, coz of the health and relaxation benefits.

Conclusion? Each individual has his/her own preferences and priorities. There's no right or wrong, just different choices and tastes.
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QUOTE(PhakFuhZai @ Jul 27 2018, 10:24 PM)
I lazy to reply in long winded post

You suddenly sounds like those can afford an iPhone X is automatically rich in your dictionary

In corporate settings I don't think managers ever claimed themselves as rich despite earning 5 digit
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Managers are just name by occupation haahahahha~~ i also can be manager in some sales beans too
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The thread still alive huh?

I actually believe most parts of TS story actually, especially when there’s regular who seem to know her

I really won’t call her gold digger. But I would like her to think about this - you know it’s a controversial topic before you even started it; and yet you expect everyone to worship you and agree with your point of view? A bit unrealistic for a self-proclaimed realistic and practical person don’t you think

When handling disagreements and conflicts, there are many ways, response in the heat at the moment is the worst thing you can do



Now, if only the fiancé let us know his thoughts if this whole drama. are ready to love and cherish this version of your queen?

*im usually not so evil 😈*

P/s: didn’t expect to be classified as T20; probably half the ppl working white collar job in Klang Valley with double income for more than 10 years can qualify that
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Hi readers,

I think we usually refer to rich ppl as millionaire (with net worth >= 1M) but not how much he earns within a period of time, cus someone who spend as much as he earns without accumulating any wealth by any means can never be rich, agree?

So is TS' fiancé a rich guy? Well it all depends on how much he inherited from his parents.

So is TS a gold digger? Only TS would know, EG if her fiancé failed in biz later and could never maintain TS upper social lifestyle anymore, will TS marries him ?
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Hi readers,

I think we usually refer to rich ppl as millionaire (with net worth >= 1M) but not how much he earns within a period of time, cus someone who spend as much as he earns without accumulating any wealth by any means can never be rich, agree?

So is TS' fiancé a rich guy? Well it all depends on how much he inherited from his parents.

So is TS a gold digger? Only TS would know, EG if her fiancé failed in biz later and could never maintain TS upper social lifestyle anymore, will TS marries him ?
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Agree. By the way, millionaire nowadays probably just upper-mid class, looking at the property value, plenty selling about 1M and that shows the demand and a big pool of ppl who can afford it. Don't think this grp will claim they are rich, probably may just say they are at a financially comfortable grp.

From beginning of the post, I already started to doubt how rich is rich that 1 need to happily share her experience like she have got a catch that are tough to find. I dare not say much as not good in debate with my English std far behind than most of the forumers here. But when i notice how she mention 5figures as in the value superb. I think the title of this topic irrelevant. Should just put "how to marry a man when time clocking is running out" as she somehow succesfully to find a man and willing to marry her within 2 yrs before its too late.

And T20 for household or individual consider high income? If is household, gosh...our country soon into poverty.

By the way, lawyer is just a professional, what so great to tell.
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QUOTE(cc980024 @ Jul 28 2018, 09:40 AM)
Agree. By the way, millionaire nowadays probably just upper-mid class, looking at the property value, plenty selling about 1M and that shows the demand and a big pool of ppl who can afford it. Don't think this grp will claim they are rich, probably may just say they are at a financially comfortable grp.
1M remaining loan and 1.3M market value = net worth 300k laugh.gif
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To be honest, no women do not prefer average income, if she has better looking, such as Instagram girls, every day eat good foods with wearing a good dress for show off on daily basis... Also, go travel around the world.
I don't think TS was not a gold digger, she has her standard required for a future husband.
Money is secured for women.
Travel to HK, Japan, Taiwan needs to spend more on more money.
If just pass by only not shiok at all.
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QUOTE(Benefon @ Jul 29 2018, 12:02 AM)
To be honest, no women do not prefer average income, if she has better looking, such as Instagram girls, every day eat good foods with wearing a good dress for show off on daily basis... Also, go travel around the world.
I don't think TS was not a gold digger, she has her standard required for a future husband.
Money is secured for women.
Travel to HK, Japan, Taiwan needs to spend more on more money.
If just pass by only not shiok at all.
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Yes, especially apply to girls who too fancy about spending more than she can afford. Hence such ideas of getting a man to pay for gf/ wife maintenance come in. But ladies who are highly capable won't even put "rich" as the key criteria to look for spouse. As $ is the least of their concern since they can earn it themselves, there is no need to downgrade ourselves to ask for $ from man to buy us stuff. We are more into finding a compatible partner, mainly on mindset. But no doubt, even $ rich is not the main concern, but definitely capable women minimally want their spouse to be financially independent, not those useless jobless parasite that we feed him.

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QUOTE(cc980024 @ Jul 29 2018, 12:06 PM)
Yes, especially apply to girls who too fancy about spending more than she can afford. Hence such ideas of getting a man to pay for gf/ wife maintenance come in. But ladies who are highly capable won't even put "rich" as the key criteria to look for spouse. As $ is the least of their concern since they can earn it themselves, there is no need to downgrade ourselves to ask for $ from man to buy us stuff. We are more into finding a compatible partner, mainly on mindset. But no doubt, even $ rich is not the main concern, but definitely capable women minimally want their spouse to be financially independent, not those useless jobless parasite that we feed him.
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In my 7 sense, you're female.
You have a diff point of view.
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Woman's action and words are different so you don't have to put too much thoughts into it.
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i only know 2 criteria....

Big boobs and wear shorter skirt provided your face is can see
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In my 7 sense, you're female.
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Yes. As when I was a child, my mom told me that she want all her daughters to study hard and be capable independent ladies, as she don't want us to live life like her (a housewife being ctrl by my typical chinese dad). My mom did bbsitting and tailoring to help up ease household expenses, but due to uneducated..she was easily shut up by my dad (pity).

Now, I am 50-50 everything with my hubby, not because he can't afford. It is because I want to be fair and earn my fair share of 50% decision making. I earn my self respect too. He never bought me branded stuff except just a watch for a special day, I bought the stuff that I fancy by myself, as he have his own huge hobby that he is financing. I don't see y I need to burden him enjoying his own hard earn $ by sponsoring stuff that I enjoy (not his), whereas let my cash sits in the bank. And of coz, whatever I spend..I told my family that is from hubby, as I don't want ppl finger pointing behind him as nobody can understand tat is my thoughts of the right way a woman should claim themselves being equal to their opposite kind.
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QUOTE(cc980024 @ Jul 29 2018, 09:11 PM)
Yes. As when I was a child, my mom told me that she want all her daughters to study hard and be capable independent ladies, as she don't want us to live life like her (a housewife being ctrl by my typical chinese dad). My mom did bbsitting and tailoring to help up ease household expenses, but due to uneducated..she was easily shut up by my dad (pity).

Now, I am 50-50 everything with my hubby, not because he can't afford. It is because I want to be fair and earn my fair share of 50% decision making. I earn my self respect too. He never bought me branded stuff except just a watch for a special day, I bought the stuff that I fancy by myself, as he have his own huge hobby that he is financing. I don't see y I need to burden him enjoying his own hard earn $ by sponsoring stuff that I enjoy (not his), whereas let my cash sits in the bank. And of coz, whatever I spend..I told my family that is from hubby, as I don't want ppl finger pointing behind him as nobody can understand tat is my thoughts of the right way a woman should claim themselves being equal to their opposite kind.
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Hahahahha.. sis, few of our frens here will sure think u are spoiling the markets..hard for them to find gf dy as gals become more n more realistic. Btw, if a short gal how? 😄
Wish to meet you in person some day.

QUOTE(silverwave @ Jul 18 2018, 11:21 PM)
Commercial gym with classes, yes, no doubt, i've seen it.

For the others that you've mentioned, are these exclusive events with private invites or normal public events? How do you get to know such events? Online, papers?

p/s: i think i've been spending too much time at work till i've neglected my social life, so i'm trying to fix it before it's too late  biggrin.gif
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Hahaha... ya... same here.. the mind only stick to work, social life gone... 😅

QUOTE(MeToo @ Jul 19 2018, 12:41 PM)
Wait...

So RICH is
1. Live in double storey semi d
2. Own merc
3. earn 5 digit SGD monthyl (or its equivalent)

holycrud! I must rush home and tell my wife i'm actually RICH!
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Bro, not all define rich in a same way. Chill! 😃

QUOTE(MasBoleh! @ Jul 20 2018, 11:25 AM)
I see that many people got offended by TS because of her willingness to share out her strategy and be honest with us all.

I find that it's extremely wise of TS to actually been able to determine what it is in life that she really wanted and from there she worked hard and invest a lot monetarily to ensure that she have the criteria to potentially attracts men that falls under her criteria.

So instead of bombarding TS, i believe a lot of people here who have difficulties in searching for a partners can actually gain inspiration from TS and not just complained about can't find a partner.

And I really got inspired by TS mainly due to I see that she do not wander around mindlessly, she knows what she want, she knows what she got to do to get it done and most importantly she get it done. Now she has succeeded and all her hard works payoff.

For those who find that unable to get a partner, do you know:-

1. What you want in life?
2. What to do for it to get it?
3. Have you taken action?
4. Is the action that you taken are the right one?
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QUOTE(Lyu @ Jul 20 2018, 05:59 PM)
This thread will brainwash the women to marry rich guy...
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Hahahah... cos some will thk she is spoiling the market by sharing the tips to hunt for only rich guy. 😄


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Hahahahha.. sis, few of our frens here will sure think u are spoiling the markets..hard for them to find gf dy as gals become more n more realistic. Btw, if a short gal how? 😄
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there are plenty of short guys out there, what's the matter?
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Comes let me define what is rich men lifestyle and stingy with their rules.

1. Some rich men can show only in good images.
Behind this, he is busy with his business, he could be busy all the time, even your birthday can forget as well.
His own money and just give you minimum allowance only.
If talk about holiday ah... Maybe just stay in local somewhere else.

2. Some rich men bought few properties but under his name.
Even you marry with him end up you got nothing.
If any happen such as divorced you got nothing, cause the name of properties is under his parents.

3. Some like a single kid, but his parent rich, he no works still can survive.
The bad thing was you must living with his parent and you cant voice out for all time unless his parent die.
Then you can only stay at home to produce more baby's anywhere can't go, even holiday for overseas.
The main titles were married to a rich husband.

4. Some of the rich men really love you as much, if your anniversary he gives you Audi TT for the present.
Every year go travel overseas, his promise always did it for you.
But this depends how lucky on luck.
Just one thing he looks average men.

5. Both of you doing own business and success together, you could be very independent, if any happen such as divorced still no finance issue.

6. Just stay with average income, he has Double Sty Terrance and honda civic as standard /k.
But he loves you as much, he loves kid and family men.
If he got an extra bonus then bring you to go overseas only.

Haha, I think here have enough scenarios, just choices either one. 😜😜

Shares one of my envy her living style in the average of the beautiful day.
https://www.instagram.com/hana_tan/

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Hahahahha.. sis, few of our frens here will sure think u are spoiling the markets..hard for them to find gf dy as gals become more n more realistic. Btw, if a short gal how? 😄
Wish to meet you in person some day.
Hahaha... ya... same here.. the mind only stick to work, social life gone... 😅
Bro, not all define rich in a same way. Chill! 😃
Hahahah... cos some will thk she is spoiling the market by sharing the tips to hunt for only rich guy. 😄
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The gist of it isn’t just ‘wealthy’ but the attitude towards making it. It was to TS surprise that despite ‘out of job’ and wearing simple and casual when they dated. They continue dating (She eventually found out he is more than capable when pursuing her)

That’s how and was my take out, there are those who did selective reading only saw the end result, he is rich, she was from rich background etc


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QUOTE(cc980024 @ Jul 29 2018, 09:11 PM)
Yes. As when I was a child, my mom told me that she want all her daughters to study hard and be capable independent ladies, as she don't want us to live life like her (a housewife being ctrl by my typical chinese dad). My mom did bbsitting and tailoring to help up ease household expenses, but due to uneducated..she was easily shut up by my dad (pity).

Now, I am 50-50 everything with my hubby, not because he can't afford. It is because I want to be fair and earn my fair share of 50% decision making. I earn my self respect too. He never bought me branded stuff except just a watch for a special day, I bought the stuff that I fancy by myself, as he have his own huge hobby that he is financing. I don't see y I need to burden him enjoying his own hard earn $ by sponsoring stuff that I enjoy (not his), whereas let my cash sits in the bank. And of coz, whatever I spend..I told my family that is from hubby, as I don't want ppl finger pointing behind him as nobody can understand tat is my thoughts of the right way a woman should claim themselves being equal to their opposite kind.
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what hobby ur hubby has? collecting branded watch?
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Audio System, where normal ppl buy a set and there it is sit at home til it is spoilt. But those into hobby will get their Speakers, Amplifier, Players, etc.. continuously upgrade. His hobby need maintenance, not the wife tongue.gif. As for collection, of coz CDs and Vinyl Disk.
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Audio System, where normal ppl buy a set and there it is sit at home til it is spoilt. But those into hobby will get their Speakers, Amplifier, Players, etc.. continuously upgrade. His hobby need maintenance, not the wife tongue.gif. As for the collection, of coz CDs and Vinyl Disk.
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Hmm hmm, waste a place to collection huge stuff..

What about collecting all those old money notes.
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there are plenty of short guys out there, what's the matter?
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laugh.gif  laugh.gif  ur funny
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Look for what's within reach. Not being funny though.
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Hmm hmm, waste a place to collection huge stuff..

What about collecting all those old money notes.
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Not into that. But he have a small collection of pipe (those use for pipe smoking). And we have quite an amount of Chinese teapots (those meant for Kungfu tea). Aiks.. this is not hobby section. Don't ask anymore tongue.gif

QUOTE(wct @ Jul 30 2018, 09:48 AM)
Look for what's within reach. Not being funny though.
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Many short guys marry tall pretty girls. In fact, handsome tall guys may end up with plump short girl tongue.gif
As long as the person is kind, humble, honest, lovely, ... he/she will be the best life companion compare those rich guy / hot gals.
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QUOTE(wct @ Jul 30 2018, 09:48 AM)
Look for what's within reach. Not being funny though.
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Many short guys marry tall pretty girls. In fact, handsome tall guys may end up with plump short girl tongue.gif
As long as the person is kind, humble, honest, lovely, ... he/she will be the best life companion compare those rich guy / hot gals.
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mr. Wct cam terasa. tongue.gif don be so serious, what is yours will always be yours no matter tall, short, normal look etc.. some even goes around for years end up back togather.

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QUOTE(wct @ Jul 30 2018, 10:48 AM)
Look for what's within reach. Not being funny though.
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Tom Cruise is short, so is van diesel

Ok undertall. Still have the personality to match
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Tom Cruise is short, so is van diesel

Ok undertall. Still have the personality to match
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exactly this is what im trying to convey since question regarding "what if im short gal how"? there's nothing much u can do being a short gal. If they are not aiming high for those tall and handsome guys, is height even a matter?
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There is no "formula" to it.
Nice read, but. Lol
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5 Digit SGD earning really cannot be called as "rich" today, its more like below average. Unless work in SG and stay in malaysia..maybe can up status to "upper average".

If TS really gold digger..should not be settle for so less. Unless..not enough level? flex.gif

Girl wise.. for the top tiers (imo)

top tier - improve appearance, lifestyle, knowledge and does actually have decent established financial achievement

2nd tier - improve appearance, lifestyle, knowledge without any decent established financial achievement.

Normally just telling/convince people how good you are is useless and pointless, you need to actually do it,prove it and had it.

Progressing/not yet happen doesn't count.

Make no mistake TS, not saying you are below top tier. Its really great enough that you determined to improve so many things which i think many of the girls in malaysia don't even bother.

Its not a crime to improve yourself to have more chance to get the better option.

Just like a game, we need to improve ourselves to get rare treasures. Otherwise, only can depends on luck or keep dreaming biggrin.gif

Personal opinion only, don't butthurt thumbup.gif
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I'm a young woman, currently 27 years old, who probably share some of the qualities TS proclaims to have, particularly in

1. achievement - owned 2 houses by 26 years old
2. career - earning close to RM10k a month working in the IT industry with a day job and freelance projects (probably not as successful as TS since she earns in SGD)
3. group of friends - have more male friends than female friends, mainly due to the type of industry I work in and the fact that I share more interests in tech with them
4. suffered from acne - went for treatments that costs less than RM10k because my acne was probably not as severe as TS
5. middle-income family - my family owns several businesses, so I had a fairly middle-income upbringing who had their fair share of struggles in poverty (own businesses are fairly unstable, I'm sure many businessmen here can attest to that)
6. excellent command of english - raised in an english speaking environment, but went to chinese schools because my parents believed that its imperative for children to know as many languages as possible

I also have a loving fiancé, due to marry in a few more weeks. My fiancé is not a rich man, he doesn't own a single property or car (till recently), and he is in his mid-30s. It is not that he is not a driven man; he is an intellectual, but he isn't very smart when it comes to managing his finances. But, what he cannot provide for me in monetary value, he provides in other ways the best he knows how to. It's endearing to see a man try his best to give you the best he can based on whatever limited resources he has. It also shows the most vulnerable and sincerest part of a man that is becoming so scarce these days, and that is why I'm marrying him smile.gif

Therefore, not all "glamorous, beautiful and successful" women (in TS own words) have a mindset like TS. Some of us do appreciate genuinely sincere man who are not rich.

Also, I know of many women who shares similar qualities like TS (and myself), who do not share TS mindset. Mainly because we do not like to ask for things, because it's demeaning to our own ego (Yes, women who are "glamorous, beautiful and successful" have their own ego and pride too), to have to rely on a man to get something we want. Instead, we know we are resourceful and capable enough to get the things we want through our own means. There is true satisfaction in that wink.gif

Sorry for the long post. Sekian.

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These are peoples that keep my faith in humanity & love.

Who knows how to differentiate values with accessories. Who appreciates people for who he/she is.

I hope there are more people like you, given the opportunity to taste a true satisfaction of harboring the rewards of his/her own labour.
And truly believe in him/herself that he/she could be whoever he/she wants to be and live a fulfilling life. I believe this is the only way that we can reduce people that EXPLOITS personal relationship for FINANCIAL SECURITY/GAIN. That's just appalling.

"vulnerable and sincerest part", That's not easy to come by. I'm not sure how well this forum represents the public as a whole, but it's pretty saddening to see what people here prioritize. B40, M40, T40 and bla bla bla. Do you think top tier spends their time thinking which category they are or they spend more time thinking what they should focus and working on? To grow from one category to another category takes times. Lotsa work.

I will be more interest in what anyone do to enable oneself to such self-reliance and success at each phase, and not ability to remember classification of income group. I personally think that able to remember periodic table is more useful. laugh.gif

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If you wanna marry a rich man, you gotta have the qualities that they want, and be as perfect as possible. You gotta work on yourself first.

Based on my experience & feedback from them, their checklist of ideal wife material is as follows:

1) Appearance (tall, pretty, attractive) -- presentable when bringing her to attend biz functions
2) Brain (intelligent, ambitious, highly educated) -- to be their partner, and help them in biz & career
3) Filial to his parents -- most of them are the only/eldest son, so what their mum thinks of their woman is very important
4) Can be a good mum -- they want to produce the best offspring
5) Talented -- have other hobbies or talents, e.g. singing, dancing, cooking, socialising etc

It took me 5 years sweat.gif to perfect myself so that I could attract the men I want. Yeah, I stayed single & unavailable for many years, just to polish myself to near-perfection.

How did I do it?

In terms of looks, I have spent nearly RM50k in the past few years on various skincare treatments to look beautiful, such as going for facials, mani/pedicure, hair treatments (rebonding, colouring), doing my eyebrows, lips, skin hair removal & polishing, body massages etc. Yeah, I look naturally pretty without any makeup; no need to edit photos too. With makeup, I look way more gorgeous. (Yeah, spent so much $$$, will of coz look fabulous.)

On a side note, a woman being able to spend RM10k a year on beauty enhancements without getting bankrupt or in bad debt is a sign of high earning power & prudent financial management. Men find rich/high-earning women attractive too, so be one. (Yeah, easier said than done, but can be done.)

Having good looks alone is not enough. If you are an empty flower vase = look good on the outside but have nothing solid inside, rich men will lose interest fast, coz you're no different from those hot chicks they meet.

So yeah, I spent lots of time reading books, esp. biz, finance, investments etc ("dry & boring" for most women), so that I know what to chat with them, and impress them. Then I also developed side interests, and learnt how to cook delicious meals, sing songs etc. & I work out to shape & tone my body; going to be age 30 but still look around mid-20s. 

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Hard work does pay off.

The outcome? Attracted many high-earning professionals, and went on dates with them. (Birds of a feather flock together  wink.gif)

Also attracted several rich men, who pursued/proposed to me:

1) M, eldest son of a bizman who owns a transportation company. Lives in double-storey semi-D, now runs his father's company. Stole my first kiss without consent. Yeah, punched him after that, but he was still happy.

2) L, eldest son of a bizman who owns a timber lodging company. Lives in double-storey bungalow, drove a Mercedez to fetch me at my house before, for an expensive lunch date. Confessed to me and wished to bring me home to meet his parents.

3) C, only son of a rich family, lives in single-storey bungalow, works in Oil & Gas, earning 5-digit MYR a month. Came to my house one late night (around 10pm+) to give me a box of imported chocolates. Parents are family friends.

4) W, only son of a rich biz family, studied in the U.K. Lives in a bungalow, inherits his family business to supply automobile parts to major car manufacturers. Wished to bring me home to meet his parents.

5) K, eldest son of a rich biz family, studied in the U.K. Inherited family wealth, earning 5-digit SGD a month. We're engaged now. Our anniversary trip this year is to Phuket, pre-wedding photoshoot will be in Taiwan, and the reception + honeymoon (destination wedding) will be in Maldives ← he suggested these countries.

Btw, I'm not working currently; he's supporting me financially. I have 1-2 years to relax and go travel, and upgrade myself to tip-top condition so that we can start own biz and family. He and I have discussed earning in MYR and also in USD, and sending our kids to international school.

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When you become the best, you will deserve the best. I didn't come from a rich family; was poor and starving before, but I worked hard to the top in terms of studies and career. That made me into a confident and ambitious lady, and not just sit there dressed in rags with self-pity, and passively waiting & daydreaming for some prince to rescue me. Nah, it doesn't happen that way in real life.

A few things to take note:

Firstly, rich guys don't like it when girls covet their wealth. They can easily sense if you are after them, or after their money. Money is important, but greed and materialism is a huge turn-off.

Secondly, of course, not all of us have the luck to meet/date rich men. It depends on the social circles/social class you are in. If you life is confined to just work and home, then chances are, you ain't gonna meet any of them. You need to actively go out and express yourself, be it in events or gatherings, or online.

Thirdly, it's not easy to manage wealth and multiply it. If you only wanna be a rich tai-tai who can't help much in your husband's biz/career, chances are, years down the road, you're out of the game, as you become liability and no longer asset. With great power (privileges) comes great responsibility and expectations.

Fourthly, if you're dating a guy who is earning an average income, please develop his potential and push him to success. Your aspiration, dreams and energy level can fuel his ambition to give you the life both of you want -- enjoy comfort without worry, and perhaps, a life of luxury one day. Don't just sit there and complain about him (look down on him and make him feel like a loser) when you yourself have done nothing much to upgrade yourself. It must go both ways/ reciprocal. In order to receive, you need to give first. Sow first, and reap later.

Btw, if a man feels he can't catch up on you, he'll either level up his game to be on par with you (great!), or feel insecure enough to let you go/ become controlling.

Lastly, love a man not for his money, but for his personality, his character, dreams and ambitions, and earning potential. The truly rich man is one who can lose everything, smile and start all over again, and earn the same pot of gold in a decade or two. Now that is what I call true wealth. thumbsup.gif

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OK, done sharing my part. Feel free to add on any tips and comments. No trolls pls; it's annoying. 

Btw, if you're a rich guy, feel free to share what you think/ what qualities you're looking for in a woman/ what type of women deserve you. & maybe give a tip or two about how you achieve success/ build wealth for our fellow forumers to learn from.
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Firstly, congratulations to you for getting engaged! Wishing you a blessed and bright married future.

I need to state that I am no rich person nor do I come from a rich family. However, I have to agree with the points made by TS.
Most men who are driven or high-achievers would prefer dating someone who has a similar mindset.
If a driven person dates a complacent one, eventually he/she will get bored of the relationship and start looking elsewhere.
You can spend 100k a year just to "fix" your flaws but external beauty doesn't last forever, it's your intrinsic values that matters most.

Enrichment in life is what everyone seeks, it you are able to find someone who is able to fill that void, do not let your insecurities get the better of you and drive them away.
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Of course, there were not about me; mostly about social and educational issues. We've done things differently to make a change, so were interviewed to share more about our initiatives and opinions.

It's only the film-making one focused more on my life stories, plus other people's stories too. They wanna collect inspiring stories of Malaysians.
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care to share the interviewed you did ?

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Interesting thread to read.

First and most importantly, congrats to TS for getting engaged!

Next,

IMO I think TS is being crucified because she's improving herself not for it's - the activity - own sake but rather as a means to something else i.e. to attract rich men.

Quoted from the first post:

1) She reads finance and investment topics not for her own benefit but rather so that she "knows what to chat with them, and impress them";
2) Cooking and singing not because she enjoys it but again to not be an "empty vase".
3) Having high earning power not for herself but because "Men find rich/high-earning women attractive too, so be one."


Then she ended it with "
Lastly, love a man not for his money, but for his personality, his character, dreams and ambitions, and earning potential. The truly rich man is one who can lose everything, smile and start all over again, and earn the same pot of gold in a decade or two. Now that is what I call true wealth. thumbsup.gif"

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Thing is her underlying motive is already attracting "rich men" (however defined whether T20, M40), everything else is secondary so she literally just contradicted that entire conclusion.

All the guys she's listed are rich firstly. Once they've cleared that threshold then only does she looks at the personality, which is why she didn't settle for the the first couple of guys despite them being rich.

Because she identified being an over achieving strong independent woman, I would assume she wouldn't undermine herself by making money her primary concern when seeking a relationship. Also, since we're living in times of gender equality where it's not uncommon for females to earn considerably more than their male counterparts. So why can't the female become the main breadwinner instead of the male and the male becoming the househusband?

She isn't the typical gold digger with all the negative connotation that is attached to the label but she's undoubtedly looking for a man with money making the relationship contractual and transactional fundamentally. Of course, there is nothing wrong with that because she's entitled to her choice.

What people find off-putting, IMO is her stance of marrying someone primarily because of his riches let alone writing a "how to guide". From her tone of writing, I would agree she's an alpha female (being assertive). So why marry for riches if she herself can attain those riches and marry any man she wants, for example someone with a more noble goal who's poorer?

As many has pointed out, a compassionate, hardworking and genuine person won't necessarily be rich.

And I being a single male in my mid 20s hope that her stance isn't representative of the general female population. Although sometimes it does seem the case hence spawning the ever popular saying " Ada Wang Ada Amoi."

I strongly feel that if she worded her title " How to Marry your IDEAL Man" rather than rich, she wouldn't have gotten nearly as much shit.

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QUOTE(Simply_Ed @ Jul 31 2018, 08:58 PM)
Interesting thread to read.

First and most importantly, congrats to TS for getting engaged!

Next,

IMO I think TS is being crucified because she's improving herself not for it's - the activity - own sake but rather as a means to something else i.e. to attract rich men.

Quoted from the first post:

1) She reads finance and investment topics not for her own benefit but rather so that she "knows what to chat with them, and impress them";
2) Cooking and singing not because she enjoys it but again to not be an "empty vase".
3) Having high earning power not for herself but because "Men find rich/high-earning women attractive too, so be one."
Then she ended it with "
Lastly, love a man not for his money, but for his personality, his character, dreams and ambitions, and earning potential. The truly rich man is one who can lose everything, smile and start all over again, and earn the same pot of gold in a decade or two. Now that is what I call true wealth. thumbsup.gif"

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Thing is her underlying motive is already attracting "rich men" (however defined whether T20, M40), everything else is secondary so she literally just contradicted that entire conclusion.

All the guys she's listed are rich firstly. Once they've cleared that threshold then only does she looks at the personality, which is why she didn't settle for the the first couple of guys despite them being rich.

Because she identified being an over achieving strong independent woman, I would assume she wouldn't undermine herself by making money her primary concern when seeking a relationship. Also, since we're living in times of gender equality where it's not uncommon for females to earn considerably more than their male counterparts. So why can't the female become the main breadwinner instead of the male and the male becoming the househusband?

She isn't the typical gold digger with all the negative connotation that is attached to the label but she's undoubtedly looking for a man with money making the relationship contractual and transactional fundamentally. Of course, there is nothing wrong with that because she's entitled to her choice.

What people find off-putting, IMO is her stance of marrying someone primarily because of his riches let alone writing a "how to guide". From her tone of writing, I would agree she's an alpha female (being assertive). So why marry for riches if she herself can attain those riches and marry any man she wants, for example someone with a more noble goal who's poorer?

As many has pointed out, a compassionate, hardworking and genuine person won't necessarily be rich.

And I being a single male in my mid 20s hope that her stance isn't representative of the general female population. Although sometimes it does seem the case hence spawning the ever popular saying " Ada Wang Ada Amoi."

I strongly feel that if she worded her title " How to Marry your IDEAL Man" rather than rich, she wouldn't have gotten nearly as much shit.

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Totally agree. You've said out what's in my mind. By the way, it sounds like she doesn't choose the earlier few guys, but the fact could be.. ppl have not decided to choose her either. Guys can pursue many girls, but that doesn't mean they see you as the right choice yet, as it take time to develop feeling and to understand a person.

By the way, I have a relative who is a PHD holder (with scholarship) in the same uni as hers. She was all along looks obedient and good girl until she have a bf (who work abroad and rich family in Malaysia). She started to use SK II and fragrance. It catches us by surprise as due to family having nose allergy history, fragrance never appear at home. She told us since bf offer to pay for her shopping, she wanted to start using it. And in 1 year, she suddenly own a few burberry, LV, etc... And of coz everytime trying to show off, will shut off by the rest of us by saying "Cheh! ppl's gift.. not buying it yourself.. no big deal"
She told us, she is the 1st choice of her MIL but later I found out her MIL actually did alot of tactics chase away her eldest son's gf, until finally he married a PHD scholar and then become uni lecturer, same as my relative. My relative's bf (now hubby) is 2nd son of the family, and he never bring any gf home other than my relative. For sure, his motive is to bring home a candidate that his mom want. Now after got married and have a baby (weak all time sick baby), the husband who used to promise that he will quit his job (overseas) after married, end up work in a local based company but require him to travel 75% of his time. And her MIL who used to promise to help her babysitting and suggest her to have 3 kids (as that time they don't have any grandchild and keep giving her all sort of guarantee, as the eldest DIL delay having bb). But once the news that they are going to get married, the eldest DIL immediately conceive (another smart 1). So the MIL actually happily bbsitting the eldest grandson, and rejecting to care for my relative's son. What I can say.. insincere ppl will bump into insincere ppl as well. You marry them with a motive, they will also have their motive.
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Totally agree. You've said out what's in my mind. By the way, it sounds like she doesn't choose the earlier few guys, but the fact could be.. ppl have not decided to choose her either. Guys can pursue many girls, but that doesn't mean they see you as the right choice yet, as it take time to develop feeling and to understand a person.

By the way, I have a relative who is a PHD holder (with scholarship) in the same uni as hers. She was all along looks obedient and good girl until she have a bf (who work abroad and rich family in Malaysia). She started to use SK II and fragrance. It catches us by surprise as due to family having nose allergy history, fragrance never appear at home. She told us since bf offer to pay for her shopping, she wanted to start using it. And in 1 year, she suddenly own a few burberry, LV, etc... And of coz everytime trying to show off, will shut off by the rest of us by saying "Cheh! ppl's gift.. not buying it yourself.. no big deal"
She told us, she is the 1st choice of her MIL but later I found out her MIL actually did alot of tactics chase away her eldest son's gf, until finally he married a PHD scholar and then become uni lecturer, same as my relative. My relative's bf (now hubby) is 2nd son of the family, and he never bring any gf home other than my relative. For sure, his motive is to bring home a candidate that his mom want. Now after got married and have a baby (weak all time sick baby), the husband who used to promise that he will quit his job (overseas) after married, end up work in a local based company but require him to travel 75% of his time. And her MIL who used to promise to help her babysitting and suggest her to have 3 kids (as that time they don't have any grandchild and keep giving her all sort of guarantee, as the eldest DIL delay having bb). But once the news that they are going to get married, the eldest DIL immediately conceive (another smart 1). So the MIL actually happily bbsitting the eldest grandson, and rejecting to care for my relative's son. What I can say.. insincere ppl will bump into insincere ppl as well. You marry them with a motive, they will also have their motive.
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I know, but aiming to be rich and having the ability/discipline/luck to be rich, are two separate matters.

You can get rich without aiming for it, such as, by knowing how to save in FD and invest in UT (Amanah Saham etc) although you are a salaried employee who earns average income, or by living frugally too as a form of lifestyle coz you prefer simple life, or you avoid using credit cards and have no bad debt at all, these good financial habits will eventually make you rich.

How rich is rich? Of course, if you are in the middle class, you may feel happy enough to have, say RM50k in your savings at age 35? Or RM150k by age 50? It depends on individuals, as to which figure makes them feel happy and secure. As long as the figure can fulfill your needs and wants, you will feel you are contented and rich enough, in your own terms and standard of living.

After all, numbers are infinite. If you think RM1,000,000 = rich, how about RM1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 or even more?  If wealth = digits, then no one will ever be the "richest" person in this world, ever.

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"What is your definition of living comfortably? Mercedes, bungalows, business class flights?"

Ok, this was my lifestyle:

I used to earn RM6-8k a month in my mid-20s, but I drove a Proton car and wore clothes from Padini. Shoes, I bought during sales, once or twice a year, bought 5-6 pairs each time. I also shopped online, waiting for discounts, promo codes and hunted for the best deals. That's my frugal part.

My spendthrift part? I spent RM50k making myself beautiful physically, head to toe. My queen-sized imported latex mattress cost RM3000+ after 50% discount (the brand is used by 5-star hotels), and the soap I use to wash my face? It cost RM89; imported from Greece. I also consumed supplements, costing RM500-700 monthly. & I spent RM8000-20k to do courses to upgrade myself.

When I shop, I don't need to look at price tags. I see what I like, and I put them in my shopping cart, then I check out. I can spend RM100-200 each time buying imported snacks. My cookware and dinnerware alone, cost nearly RM1,000; made in Germany and U.S.A.

& when I wanna renovate my home, I like this tiles, I like that wallpaper, I like this kitchen cabinet, I like that... I can afford to buy them.

If I wanna take AirAsia flight, I take it. If I wanna try MAS biz class flight, I can also pay for it. If I wanna stay in 5-star hotel, I can book the room.

If I don't like my Proton car, I want a BMW, ok, let's go to the showroom and buy one.

I don't need to think, "Eh, will this exceed my budget for this month?? Can I afford this??" ...& the shopping mood is totally gone, and then straightaway go home to do budgeting again, "Aiya, this month overspent... haih, next month must go on diet, if not really have to eat grass. T.T"

So, to me, living comfortably = I can do what I like and spend without worries.

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"How much money a month is considered comfortable to you, at current inflation. For the purpose of discussion, say the inflation remains flat at 0%."

If I am single, I think RM5000-10k is good enough, coz that was my previous income.

If I am married, the household income should be RM15k+ a month, especially if we have children.

If we are self-employed/ doing biz, I think a decent amount would be RM20-50k. Anything more than that, I think it's considered excess.

My preference is to be in the upper middle class. I don't aim for owning supercars, or private jets, or Birkin bags etc. They don't interest me much. But I'd love to stay in a semi-D or bungalow, and travel around the world as much as I want.

& when I see charity causes, I can donate as much as I like, be it RM50, 100, 500, 1000, or 10k to help the poor and the needy.

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When you are poor, you cannot have the freedom and mobility to do all these.

But when you are rich, you can live as to how you want. You can either stay frugal, or be extravagant, or somewhere in between.

You have the freedom to choose.... and that itself is a luxury already, to the poor.
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Just want to ask you on this point. Let say if someone was to work in a public sector due to his believe that he can do more good for the country rather then working in the private sector where he can earn 5x more then his current earnings. Would his principles stands out for for women like yourseld ? Its not like working in the public sector means you are poor but to achieve a satisfactory lifestyle would take ages, usually only in the 50's (before that its more of just "cukup makan"). So do you see young people who are sacrificing their income to contribute to their country or for their principle as something that women like yourself can be attracted to or even willing to sacrifice to be with?
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QUOTE(Ash muhammad 28 @ Aug 1 2018, 02:46 PM)
Just want to ask you on this point. Let say if someone was to work in a public sector due to his believe that he can do more good for the country rather then working in the private sector where he can earn 5x more then his current earnings. Would his principles stands out for for women like yourseld ? Its not like working in the public sector means you are poor but to achieve a satisfactory lifestyle would take ages, usually only in the 50's (before that its more of just "cukup makan"). So do you see young people who are sacrificing their income to contribute to their country or for their principle as something that women like yourself can be attracted to or even willing to sacrifice to be with?
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I used to hate the previous gov a lot, to be honest. I saw it as a corrupted regime, but the only ministry that I would like to work for was Ministry of Foreign Affairs. My ambition was to be a diplomat and be based in overseas embassy. However, I didn't apply for it in the end, coz I was browsing Institute of Diplomacy and Foreign Relations (IDFR) website and also read lots of news about becoming a diplomat, ah yeah, the standard has dropped a lot plus some other racial issues, not to mention the rampant terrorist attacks.

That was my ambition, 10 years ago. Now that we have a new PH gov, I thought about it again. I discussed with my fiance about serving the nation, and then I realised that, if I were to join the gov and work my way up (which is difficult esp. if you're non-bumi), why not I start up a social enterprise myself?

FYI,
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Social enterprises are:
(i) organisations that have a social cause as their primary mission, such as poverty reduction or preserving the environment, and
(ii) use a private sector business model to sustain themselves.

A social enterprise acts as a catalyst of change, identifying social problems and introducing solutions to them.

Source: https://www.socialenterprise.org.my/what-is...ial-enterprise/


I don't see that the only way to contribute to nation is just by working in the public sector, more esp. if the position is of lower rank/ bottom level of the hierarchy... what difference can that make to the nation? A little, but not much.

There are many valuable experience and skills that the private sector can teach to the ones working in public sector, which is why there's this gov policy to "corporatize" and privatize public services.

Btw,
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Bloated civil service
Friday, 3 Feb 2017

High amount of taxpayers money is used to pay salaries and pensions of govt staff

FINALLY Malaysia has a superlative – we are the country with the largest civil service relative to our population in the world.

To hear such frank remarks from Second Finance Minister Datuk Johari Abdul Ghani is eye-opening.

So how big is the Malaysian civil service? We have a total of 1.6 million civil servants – that is one government servant to service 19.37 Malaysians. For comparison, the proportion of civil servants to the national population in other countries is 1 to 71.4 people in Singa-pore, 1:110 in Indonesia, 1:50 in Korea, 1:108 in China, 1:28 in Japan, 1:84 in Russia and 1:118 in Britain.

The bloated civil service has caused government expenditure to increase yearly, leading to the escalating drop in revenue. Already 80% of the Federal Government’s annual budget goes towards operating expenditure and a large chunk of this is to pay for salaries and pensions.
...

Read more at https://www.thestar.com.my/metro/views/2017...PCGXB40vhR6d.99


I don't see this as doing good for the nation.

Malaysia is very "poor" now, laden with huge debt coz of the previous gov. IMO, it's more effective to start own biz & pay more corporate tax to gov, rather than to join the civil service and increase gov expenditure. Just a different POV, not that joining civil service is a sin, but looking at the current circumstance, which one can truly mean well for the nation?

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QUOTE(Ash muhammad 28 @ Aug 1 2018, 02:46 PM)
Just want to ask you on this point. Let say if someone was to work in a public sector due to his believe that he can do more good for the country rather then working in the private sector where he can earn 5x more then his current earnings. Would his principles stands out for for women like yourseld ? Its not like working in the public sector means you are poor but to achieve a satisfactory lifestyle would take ages, usually only in the 50's (before that its more of just "cukup makan"). So do you see young people who are sacrificing their income to contribute to their country or for their principle as something that women like yourself can be attracted to or even willing to sacrifice to be with?
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This was asked by PhakFuhZai, and the following is how she see our fighters as well as those great ppl who serve the nation first before family wealth.

QUOTE(PhakFuhZai @ Jul 23 2018, 10:59 AM)
there are many people who willingly relinquish their high earning job and chose to serve the community, need no look further, just look at our MP/DUNs in PH, eg Tony Pua and Rafizi, both are capable to earn more than 5 digits, had they not chose to join the then opposition, but chose to be exposed to risks from getting imprisoned, exposed to the tear gas, went to lockups during previous administration. There are also many capable doctors/engineers/lawyers which chose to serve in public sector, instead of accepting the otherwise lucrative offer in private sector. What are your view on these people?
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QUOTE(Ralna @ Jul 24 2018, 12:49 PM)
What are your view on these people?
It is their personal choice.

But, IMO, if you pursue your personal ambition and aspiration without much consideration for your own family needs (and expose them to danger), you are a failure no matter how successful you are outside.

What's the point of having a father who, for example, is an international medical doctor who volunteers his service FT to war-torn countries, when his own wife and children are suffering in the home country? Will you respect such a man?
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QUOTE(Ralna @ Aug 1 2018, 04:17 PM)
I used to hate the previous gov a lot, to be honest. I saw it as a corrupted regime, but the only ministry that I would like to work for was Ministry of Foreign Affairs. My ambition was to be a diplomat and be based in overseas embassy. However, I didn't apply for it in the end, coz I was browsing Institute of Diplomacy and Foreign Relations (IDFR) website and also read lots of news about becoming a diplomat, ah yeah, the standard has dropped a lot plus some other racial issues, not to mention the rampant terrorist attacks.

That was my ambition, 10 years ago. Now that we have a new PH gov, I thought about it again. I discussed with my fiance about serving the nation, and then I realised that, if I were to join the gov and work my way up (which is difficult esp. if you're non-bumi), why not I start up a social enterprise myself?

FYI,

I don't see that the only way to contribute to nation is just by working in the public sector, more esp. if the position is of lower rank/ bottom level of the hierarchy... what difference can that make to the nation? A little, but not much.

There are many valuable experience and skills that the private sector can teach to the ones working in public sector, which is why there's this gov policy to "corporatize" and privatize public services.

Btw,

I don't see this as doing good for the nation.

Malaysia is very "poor" now, laden with huge debt coz of the previous gov. IMO, it's more effective to start own biz & pay more corporate tax to gov, rather than to join the civil service and increase gov expenditure. Just a different POV, not that joining civil service is a sin, but looking at the current circumstance, which one can truly mean well for the nation?
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QUOTE(Ralna @ Aug 1 2018, 04:17 PM)
FYI,

I don't see that the only way to contribute to nation is just by working in the public sector, more esp. if the position is of lower rank/ bottom level of the hierarchy... what difference can that make to the nation? A little, but not much.
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Everyone think like you, who is gonna do the silly/stupid job? rolleyes.gif

I think what people should learn is to fit into the society and make it better place.
Rather than judging one another and try to outdo one another based on scales/expectation other set upon you; become stressed and unhappy.

I personally can't find a right scale to size everyone up. But, I do enjoy working with people who are honest, and enjoys what they are doing.
Generally happy vibes.


QUOTE(Ralna @ Aug 1 2018, 04:17 PM)

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Bloated civil service
Friday, 3 Feb 2017

High amount of taxpayers money is used to pay salaries and pensions of govt staff

FINALLY Malaysia has a superlative – we are the country with the largest civil service relative to our population in the world.

To hear such frank remarks from Second Finance Minister Datuk Johari Abdul Ghani is eye-opening.

So how big is the Malaysian civil service? We have a total of 1.6 million civil servants – that is one government servant to service 19.37 Malaysians. For comparison, the proportion of civil servants to the national population in other countries is 1 to 71.4 people in Singa-pore, 1:110 in Indonesia, 1:50 in Korea, 1:108 in China, 1:28 in Japan, 1:84 in Russia and 1:118 in Britain.

The bloated civil service has caused government expenditure to increase yearly, leading to the escalating drop in revenue. Already 80% of the Federal Government’s annual budget goes towards operating expenditure and a large chunk of this is to pay for salaries and pensions.
...

Read more at https://www.thestar.com.my/metro/views/2017...PCGXB40vhR6d.99



There are many valuable experience and skills that the private sector can teach to the ones working in public sector, which is why there's this gov policy to "corporatize" and privatize public services.
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Is that your sentence or quoted from some else? Need to read on definition of revenue. Revenue is the gross income. And increased expenses/cost doesn't reduces revenue. But, it does reduces net income.

The real problem now is the increase for our national expenses is not proportional to our GDP growth. By right, every dollar national expenses must have certain 5-8% annualised return average.

Public/Government Sector is equally important as corporate sector. Which is more important is moot. One can't exist without another.
If you travel/read enough, you will see my point.

To make it easy to illustrate my point, if Mr. Lee decide to take a path of Mr. Kuok, will Singapore be Singapore today?
What Mr. Lee left behind is a resilient nation where business can flourish. Instead of being a Mr. Kuok alike himself, he produced more Mr. Kuok alike.

You lived your high life too long that you forgot what's struggles like.


QUOTE(Ralna @ Aug 1 2018, 04:17 PM)

Btw,

I don't see this as doing good for the nation.

Malaysia is very "poor" now, laden with huge debt coz of the previous gov. IMO, it's more effective to start own biz & pay more corporate tax to gov, rather than to join the civil service and increase gov expenditure. Just a different POV, not that joining civil service is a sin, but looking at the current circumstance, which one can truly mean well for the nation?
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That's true if you are useless. People like Lim Guan Eng, Tony Pua and Rafizi stood up to save the country.
PH has cabinet of talent. All of them could be whoever they wanna be; but they chosed differently.
Like I mentioned before, it's not for everyone. It's not just brain. It needs conscience & courage.

People like that, how do you put $$$ on their head?

Malaysia in our early years were doing pretty well. Wouldn't say great governance. But not bad.

Past decade has come to a critical point; and it's good to know there are good people that would do the right thing. Last election has proved that.

With last GOV, it's better to evade tax via CSR where every dollar is put into it's exact use. When you can build a proper facilities with 1/3 of it price.
Now, I don't mind doing either one. With previous gov, that would be a bottomless pit. What changes you made with ur more corporate tax? NOTHING.



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QUOTE(RUI @ Aug 1 2018, 06:40 PM)
That's true if you are useless. People like Lim Guan Eng, Tony Pua and Rafizi stood up to save the country.
PH has cabinet of talent. All of them could be whoever they wanna be; but they chosed differently.
Like I mentioned before, it's not for everyone. It's not just brain. It needs conscience & courage.

People like that, how do you put $$$ on their head?
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Lim Guan Eng, Tony Pua and Rafizi ...

Did you study their portfolios?

LGE was an accountant and senior exec in a bank, and he owns a bungalow worth RM2.8mil++. Tony Pua was a e-biz consultant and a self-made millionaire. Rafizi was a chartered accountant and managed Petronas, and later, became GM of Pharmaniaga. So yes, they had $$$, and still do.

Those are politicians, not gov servants who worked their way up in the public sector. Ask yourself, how many PH cabinet ministers had actually worked their way up from the lowest level in the public sector?

In fact, most of them had worked in the private sector before starting a political career, e.g. worked as engineer, doctor, lecturer, lawyer, chairman, MD, dentist, GM etc. What they earned was definitely more than "cukup makan", at least much more than the majority of M'sian citizen = upper-mid/ rich people (T20 and above).

Even if they are no longer private sector, their monthly pay+ allowances (5-digit MYR) as ministers, MPs or senators are still much higher than those of average M'sians.

& cc980024 said "those great ppl who serve the nation first before family wealth" → you sure they weren't wealthy at all, in the first place? Go study their background first before you make a comment. & when they joined politics, were their family involved, or were they safeguarded?

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The original question from Ash muhammad 28: "Let say if someone was to work in a public sector due to his believe that he can do more good for the country rather then working in the private sector..."

Ash muhammad 28 wasn't talking about political career in the first place. He talked about working all the way up to 50's (earning "cukup makan") as a civil servant to contribute to the country. & hence, my response to him.

If you truly wanna make a big difference, as I said,
1) It's more effective to start own biz & pay more corporate tax to gov (to current gov, of course) or to donate more to Tabung Harapan, like those SMEs
2) Since RUI & cc980024 talked about politicians & fighters, then join politics to get your voice heard, to do more good for the country.

I don't see the point of joining civil service when there's already overpopulation of civil servants to do "the silly/stupid job", as RUI put it. Btw, do civil servants go on demonstration to protest against corruption or racial inequality? I don't think so. So, where's the difference that they make?

Joining the civil service/public sector vs. joining politics are two different matters altogether.

You guys should read carefully before you even reply here. Because you guys don't read carefully, or you read selectively, you keep misunderstanding the whole context and give irrelevant replies or examples that sidetrack the whole discussion. Why so? Because you have cognitive bias towards what "Ralna" writes. As simple as that.

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QUOTE(Ralna @ Aug 1 2018, 08:52 PM)
Lim Guan Eng, Tony Pua and Rafizi ...

Did you study their portfolios?

LGE was an accountant and senior exec in a bank, and he owns a bungalow worth RM2.8mil++. Tony Pua was a e-biz consultant and a self-made millionaire. Rafizi was a chartered accountant and managed Petronas, and later, became GM of Pharmaniaga. So yes, they had $$$, and still do.

Those are politicians, not gov servants who worked their way up in the public sector. Ask yourself, how many PH cabinet ministers had actually worked their way up from the lowest level in the public sector? 


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That's not the point!
The point they could just lived the HIGHER LIFE that you could ever dream of and just focused on themselves like you would. Why bother? (I'm not sure about the real "ralna" behind the screen would be bothered. But the one here definitely won't).

My point is, at every level, good people stands up and contribute at every level.

If you look at Japan, why professional at each level do their work conscientiously. I believe one half is because they take pride in their work, understands the importance of their work and derives satisfaction from it. The other half is the gratitude and appreciation from the people that received the service, AT EVERY LEVEL.

We lack that here. Our public services were never good enough. No matter how hard they try, for "SOME PEOPLE" never good enough.
Too bad some grew cynical and later became more selfish, but lucky us, there are still good people around. Perhaps, if anything useful after such in depth discussion on this, would be a simple thank you upon receiving any service, regardless how poorly it is. Simple gratitude goes a long way.

QUOTE(Ralna @ Aug 1 2018, 08:52 PM)
I don't see the point of joining civil service when there's already overpopulation of civil servants to do "the silly/stupid job", as RUI put it. Btw, do civil servants go on demonstration to protest against corruption or racial inequality? I don't think so. So, where's the difference that they make?
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Where do you think Rafizi and Tony Pua got their ammo of facts from?
Who do you think are the whistleblowers?

You seriously lacks wisdom. We need good people at every level. If you are a good, perhaps, you can reduce numbers of staff needed. So, that the rest can be upskilled or transferred elsewhere. Seeeeeeee the point yet? On the contrary of what you have preached, "strategic thinking", you would be surprised the monkeys are pretty good at "strategic planning", and for some reason, no service or value rendered but they are still there. (Does it ring a bell? Similarity with some characters here? Kling Klong Kling Klong, no value added, only apparent/future "value", engaged with some rich dudes). Hence, after hiring one after another, same type of monkey shows up. And it cost a bomb to remove them. (Again, does it ring a bell, why some married men cheats? In my experience talking to quite a fewl, they were married based perceived/apparent value; when it's below expectatiion; they covertly outsourced it elsewhere. As, discarding the wife cost a bomb). whistling.gif whistling.gif whistling.gif. What we really need is to encourage more people to be cinderella and reduce monkey and the step sister. I think we can all agree on that.

NO. That's not RUI put it. It's RUI's interpretation of Ralna's insinuation of "So, where's the difference that they make?" & deliberate use of "over-population" as if they are useless.

P.S. I do agree at some place are redundant. But not all. So it's the duty of new minister to trim it down. I will personally focus on increasing good people in Education and Health. Rationales are simple. 1) We don't know where is the next Einstein or Tesla come from (I'm pretty sure it's wasn't Harvard or Stanford). 2) Keep daddies and mummies more time spent at work. And you may have the rest removed or replaced with monkeys. I don't care. laugh.gif
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QUOTE(Ralna @ Aug 1 2018, 08:52 PM)
Lim Guan Eng, Tony Pua and Rafizi ...

Did you study their portfolios?

LGE was an accountant and senior exec in a bank, and he owns a bungalow worth RM2.8mil++. Tony Pua was a e-biz consultant and a self-made millionaire. Rafizi was a chartered accountant and managed Petronas, and later, became GM of Pharmaniaga. So yes, they had $$$, and still do.

Those are politicians, not gov servants who worked their way up in the public sector. Ask yourself, how many PH cabinet ministers had actually worked their way up from the lowest level in the public sector? 

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amboi.. however sidetracked the discussion might be
you are demeaning the struggles of the-then oppositions which mostly involved DAP

yes you can say LGE or Tony Pua had the lavish lifestyle of being in the T20 category due to their status in their profession, but how many of the people of their status willing to forego the lavish lifestyle and joined opposition back then? You only see that they have become cabinet ministers and so forth, while conveniently forgot the fact that they had endured endless of hardships before 509. How many people sitting comfortably in CEO office willing to do that?

One of the criteria to be oppositions pre-509 is to taste the curry rice in either lockups or jails, google up Ops Lalang for instance, most of the veteran ministers in PH govt had tasted curry rice in prison before, and you think families of LKS or even Anwar never suffered before? laugh.gif

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QUOTE(RUI @ Aug 1 2018, 09:43 PM)
That's not the point!
The point they could just lived the HIGHER LIFE that you could ever dream of and just focused on themselves like you would. Why bother? (I'm not sure about the real "ralna" behind the screen would be bothered. But the one here definitely won't).

My point is, at every level, good people stands up and contribute at every level.

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Yeah, I agree with the previous and current points you made, but I don't understand why you need to mention politicians when it's not something most people can be, and it is not really related to what Ash muhammad 28 was asking.

That's why I suggested him to do biz and contribute corporate tax; the gov actually has funds set aside to help local entrepreneurs. Don't you think it's better than working in civil service where there are too many civil servants fighting for promotion and increment? If he truly wishes to contribute to the nation, there's an alternative to it. I was just pointing that out.

QUOTE(PhakFuhZai @ Aug 1 2018, 11:48 PM)
amboi.. however sidetracked the discussion might be
you are demeaning the struggles of the-then oppositions which mostly involved DAP

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I am not demeaning them. My reply was in response to cc980024 who said "those great ppl who serve the nation first before family wealth" in Post#428.

They were wealthy first before they served the nation. That's my point. & If they forgo their profession/ wealth after that, that's their choice.

In fact, if you read Post#428 again, you asked me the same question before, about how I think of people who sacrificed that way. My opinion remains the same.
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QUOTE(Ralna @ Jul 18 2018, 07:03 PM)
If you wanna marry a rich man, you gotta have the qualities that they want, and be as perfect as possible. You gotta work on yourself first.

Based on my experience & feedback from them, their checklist of ideal wife material is as follows:

1) Appearance (tall, pretty, attractive) -- presentable when bringing her to attend biz functions
2) Brain (intelligent, ambitious, highly educated) -- to be their partner, and help them in biz & career
3) Filial to his parents -- most of them are the only/eldest son, so what their mum thinks of their woman is very important
4) Can be a good mum -- they want to produce the best offspring
5) Talented -- have other hobbies or talents, e.g. singing, dancing, cooking, socialising etc

It took me 5 years sweat.gif to perfect myself so that I could attract the men I want. Yeah, I stayed single & unavailable for many years, just to polish myself to near-perfection.

How did I do it?

In terms of looks, I have spent nearly RM50k in the past few years on various skincare treatments to look beautiful, such as going for facials, mani/pedicure, hair treatments (rebonding, colouring), doing my eyebrows, lips, skin hair removal & polishing, body massages etc. Yeah, I look naturally pretty without any makeup; no need to edit photos too. With makeup, I look way more gorgeous. (Yeah, spent so much $$$, will of coz look fabulous.)

On a side note, a woman being able to spend RM10k a year on beauty enhancements without getting bankrupt or in bad debt is a sign of high earning power & prudent financial management. Men find rich/high-earning women attractive too, so be one. (Yeah, easier said than done, but can be done.)

Having good looks alone is not enough. If you are an empty flower vase = look good on the outside but have nothing solid inside, rich men will lose interest fast, coz you're no different from those hot chicks they meet.

So yeah, I spent lots of time reading books, esp. biz, finance, investments etc ("dry & boring" for most women), so that I know what to chat with them, and impress them. Then I also developed side interests, and learnt how to cook delicious meals, sing songs etc. & I work out to shape & tone my body; going to be age 30 but still look around mid-20s. 

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Hard work does pay off.

The outcome? Attracted many high-earning professionals, and went on dates with them. (Birds of a feather flock together  wink.gif)

Also attracted several rich men, who pursued/proposed to me:

1) M, eldest son of a bizman who owns a transportation company. Lives in double-storey semi-D, now runs his father's company. Stole my first kiss without consent. Yeah, punched him after that, but he was still happy.

2) L, eldest son of a bizman who owns a timber lodging company. Lives in double-storey bungalow, drove a Mercedez to fetch me at my house before, for an expensive lunch date. Confessed to me and wished to bring me home to meet his parents.

3) C, only son of a rich family, lives in single-storey bungalow, works in Oil & Gas, earning 5-digit MYR a month. Came to my house one late night (around 10pm+) to give me a box of imported chocolates. Parents are family friends.

4) W, only son of a rich biz family, studied in the U.K. Lives in a bungalow, inherits his family business to supply automobile parts to major car manufacturers. Wished to bring me home to meet his parents.

5) K, eldest son of a rich biz family, studied in the U.K. Inherited family wealth, earning 5-digit SGD a month. We're engaged now. Our anniversary trip this year is to Phuket, pre-wedding photoshoot will be in Taiwan, and the reception + honeymoon (destination wedding) will be in Maldives ← he suggested these countries.

Btw, I'm not working currently; he's supporting me financially. I have 1-2 years to relax and go travel, and upgrade myself to tip-top condition so that we can start own biz and family. He and I have discussed earning in MYR and also in USD, and sending our kids to international school.

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When you become the best, you will deserve the best. I didn't come from a rich family; was poor and starving before, but I worked hard to the top in terms of studies and career. That made me into a confident and ambitious lady, and not just sit there dressed in rags with self-pity, and passively waiting & daydreaming for some prince to rescue me. Nah, it doesn't happen that way in real life.

A few things to take note:

Firstly, rich guys don't like it when girls covet their wealth. They can easily sense if you are after them, or after their money. Money is important, but greed and materialism is a huge turn-off.

Secondly, of course, not all of us have the luck to meet/date rich men. It depends on the social circles/social class you are in. If you life is confined to just work and home, then chances are, you ain't gonna meet any of them. You need to actively go out and express yourself, be it in events or gatherings, or online.

Thirdly, it's not easy to manage wealth and multiply it. If you only wanna be a rich tai-tai who can't help much in your husband's biz/career, chances are, years down the road, you're out of the game, as you become liability and no longer asset. With great power (privileges) comes great responsibility and expectations.

Fourthly, if you're dating a guy who is earning an average income, please develop his potential and push him to success. Your aspiration, dreams and energy level can fuel his ambition to give you the life both of you want -- enjoy comfort without worry, and perhaps, a life of luxury one day. Don't just sit there and complain about him (look down on him and make him feel like a loser) when you yourself have done nothing much to upgrade yourself. It must go both ways/ reciprocal. In order to receive, you need to give first. Sow first, and reap later.

Btw, if a man feels he can't catch up on you, he'll either level up his game to be on par with you (great!), or feel insecure enough to let you go/ become controlling.

Lastly, love a man not for his money, but for his personality, his character, dreams and ambitions, and earning potential. The truly rich man is one who can lose everything, smile and start all over again, and earn the same pot of gold in a decade or two. Now that is what I call true wealth. :thumbsup:

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OK, done sharing my part. Feel free to add on any tips and comments. No trolls pls; it's annoying. 

Btw, if you're a rich guy, feel free to share what you think/ what qualities you're looking for in a woman/ what type of women deserve you. & maybe give a tip or two about how you achieve success/ build wealth for our fellow forumers to learn from.
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Err... define rich first. 5 figures is not that difficult nowadays. Can mean anywhere from 10k to 99k. My last year annual was 200+k. Some people say I'm rich but I don't agree. I think I'm average at best.
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Err... define rich first. 5 figures is not that difficult nowadays. Can mean anywhere from 10k to 99k. My last year annual was 200+k. Some people say I'm rich but I don't agree. I think I'm average at best.
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I feel you. That's why the whole post don't make me feel that she already successfully being rich, probably in the process to go in only (probably toward upper mid level). As the way she commented some post that involve 5figures, sounds like that is a high amount for her.

Yes, if you feel you are rich. You are. If you feel you are not, you are not. It all depends on your lifestyle and how you fund it.
But if 1 night you suddenly feel like flying to somewhere just to have a breakfast, and holaa.. without 2nd thought, you are there next morning. And fly back right after that. Some ppl may see this is crazy, but I see this is just rich. Rich to the extend that you can do crazy stuff. I have an ex-colleague did that. She was my Finance Manager who married a rich man. I did that too.. but under the expense of company.. when boss say "lets have breakfast tomorrow.." I'll just have to fly over .. and my work for tat day other than fly + breakfast with boss.. zero production tongue.gif. That's the pain of being someone who domicile in a country that different from your peers.

Looking at your annual (probably include bonus, right). Happy for you as this is consider a very (still) comfortable amount in Malaysia, provided that you don't spend lavish holidays. And how many ppl are under your care that they actually have to share your hard earn money (i.e. family). My household is small (just 3), and blessed that my hubby bring nett pay home as his car, mobile, and most of the time even his lunch being paid. When zero expense vs income.. he is rich. Especially his wife is self-finance and we already done paid our properties. Problem is.. similar like you.. we don't feel rich. I only feel blessed as we started early that come to this days.. everything already in order.. nothing to be proud of at all.

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I feel you. That's why the whole post don't make me feel that she already successfully being rich, probably in the process to go in only (probably toward upper mid level). As the way she commented some post that involve 5figures, sounds like that is a high amount for her.

Yes, if you feel you are rich. You are. If you feel you are not, you are not. It all depends on your lifestyle and how you fund it.
But if 1 night you suddenly feel like flying to somewhere just to have a breakfast, and holaa.. without 2nd thought, you are there next morning. And fly back right after that. Some ppl may see this is crazy, but I see this is just rich. Rich to the extend that you can do crazy stuff. I have an ex-colleague did that. She was my Finance Manager who married a rich man. I did that too.. but under the expense of company.. when boss say "lets have breakfast tomorrow.." I'll just have to fly over .. and my work for tat day other than fly + breakfast with boss.. zero production tongue.gif. That's the pain of being someone who domicile in a country that different from your peers.

Looking at your annual (probably include bonus, right). Happy for you as this is consider a very (still) comfortable amount in Malaysia, provided that you don't spend lavish holidays. And how many ppl are under your care that they actually have to share your hard earn money (i.e. family). My household is small (just 3), and blessed that my hubby bring nett pay home as his car, mobile, and most of the time even his lunch being paid. When zero expense vs income.. he is rich. Especially his wife is self-finance and we already done paid our properties. Problem is.. similar like you.. we don't feel rich. I only feel blessed as we started early that come to this days.. everything already in order.. nothing to be proud of at all.
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QUOTE(cc980024 @ Aug 2 2018, 07:50 AM)
I feel you. That's why the whole post don't make me feel that she already successfully being rich, probably in the process to go in only (probably toward upper mid level). As the way she commented some post that involve 5figures, sounds like that is a high amount for her.

Yes, if you feel you are rich. You are. If you feel you are not, you are not. It all depends on your lifestyle and how you fund it.
But if 1 night you suddenly feel like flying to somewhere just to have a breakfast, and holaa.. without 2nd thought, you are there next morning. And fly back right after that. Some ppl may see this is crazy, but I see this is just rich. Rich to the extend that you can do crazy stuff. I have an ex-colleague did that. She was my Finance Manager who married a rich man. I did that too.. but under the expense of company.. when boss say "lets have breakfast tomorrow.." I'll just have to fly over .. and my work for tat day other than fly + breakfast with boss.. zero production tongue.gif. That's the pain of being someone who domicile in a country that different from your peers.

Looking at your annual (probably include bonus, right). Happy for you as this is consider a very (still) comfortable amount in Malaysia, provided that you don't spend lavish holidays. And how many ppl are under your care that they actually have to share your hard earn money (i.e. family). My household is small (just 3), and blessed that my hubby bring nett pay home as his car, mobile, and most of the time even his lunch being paid. When zero expense vs income.. he is rich. Especially his wife is self-finance and we already done paid our properties. Problem is.. similar like you.. we don't feel rich. I only feel blessed as we started early that come to this days.. everything already in order.. nothing to be proud of at all.
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I think it is great once all your commitments are paid off. I'm still working on that. But yeah, sounds more like upper middle is her target not really upper class.

I've met some of those upper class, and it is as you said....they do anything they want at the drop of a hat and money is not the limiting factor.

Their imagination / desire is more the limiting factor.
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This is called drinking kopitiam in Cupid Corner.

Its still a bit related but starting to fall of the tracks.
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I don't see that the only way to contribute to nation is just by working in the public sector, more esp. if the position is of lower rank/ bottom level of the hierarchy... what difference can that make to the nation? A little, but not much.

There are many valuable experience and skills that the private sector can teach to the ones working in public sector, which is why there's this gov policy to "corporatize" and privatize public services.
dont judge these individuals lol. kurangkan sikit keangkuhan itu oh kakak. take this phrase: "Great Civilizations Built on the Backs of Slaves" and have a moment to think it through.

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You seriously lacks wisdom. We need good people at every level. If you are a good, perhaps, you can reduce numbers of staff needed. So, that the rest can be upskilled or transferred elsewhere. Seeeeeeee the point yet? On the contrary of what you have preached, "strategic thinking", you would be surprised the monkeys are pretty good at "strategic planning", and for some reason, no service or value rendered but they are still there. (Does it ring a bell? Similarity with some characters here? Kling Klong Kling Klong, no value added, only apparent/future "value", engaged with some rich dudes). Hence, after hiring one after another, same type of monkey shows up. And it cost a bomb to remove them. (Again, does it ring a bell, why some married men cheats? In my experience talking to quite a fewl, they were married based perceived/apparent value; when it's below expectatiion; they covertly outsourced it elsewhere. As, discarding the wife cost a bomb).  whistling.gif  whistling.gif  whistling.gif. What we really need is to encourage more people to be cinderella and reduce monkey and the step sister. I think we can all agree on that.

NO. That's not RUI put it. It's RUI's interpretation of Ralna's insinuation of "So, where's the difference that they make?" & deliberate use of "over-population" as if they are useless.

P.S. I do agree at some place are redundant. But not all. So it's the duty of new minister to trim it down. I will personally focus on increasing good people in Education and Health. Rationales are simple. 1) We don't know where is the next Einstein or Tesla come from (I'm pretty sure it's wasn't Harvard or Stanford). 2) Keep daddies and mummies more time spent at work. And you may have the rest removed or replaced with monkeys. I don't care.  laugh.gif
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Completely agree with the bold part, lacks depth too

Tsk tsk tsk, I thought after the hiatus she realise all these "debate" is bad for her image in front of her fiance and will come back milder.
Well, perhaps this is already milder by her definition.

My take on the original question
Yes, there are many roles that you can only contribute meaningfully in the public sector. For example scientists. In commercial sector, they would only be willing to invest in R&D on the mainstream stuffs that are not far from an end product. Would they throw money into a very new idea, answer is unlikely
This is where the gov uni or reseach centres comes in, to nurture some of those ideas that may not in the short term make money, but someone gotta do it. Otherwise we would have no internet today
Another example would be policy making. If we do not have good policy makers; we would be stuck with bad policies that affect our day-to-day life. So if these jobs are too dirty for you or your children, the ppl more inferior than you would be doing them, then don't complain when you have to comply with obscure non-sensical rules

All the TS thinks about is the surface $$ and fame stuffs
The purpose of life and contributing to the society is so much more.
If you look at Azman Mokhtar's send off, are you thinking about the money he won't be earning anymore, or would you be thinking that he must have done something right that his staffs adore him so much
For me it's the latter for sure

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QUOTE(WindofChaos @ Aug 2 2018, 01:33 PM)
Something to think about

Josephine Pan, the 45-year-old Shanghai CEO of FCB, an advertising firm. In a traditional society like China's, she says, men are intimidated by her title.

"They don't want a female CEO as a girlfriend or wife," says Pan. "Maybe they feel it's a big threat to them. I'm not an arrogant person, like all the time showing off my title. I keep it very low profile. But no matter how low of a profile you keep, you keep intimidating them."

https://www.npr.org/2018/07/31/634048279/ch...y-single-longer
Another one:

Dai Xuan, 30, who works as the editor of a luxury magazine in Shanghai — and is pictured at the helm of a private jet — says the reason why she hasn't married yet is economic. She says she loves her job and she makes more than enough to support herself, which has made her pickier about dating.
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There was a post here back then with similar argument .

Women are blaming men for being intimidated by her title, but then she never blame herself for "rejecting men who are not intimidated by her title" or "rejecting men who are not up to her standards". It's women themselves that behave in a way that show that they would not settle for less and then blame the guys for not pursuing her.


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I think it is perfectly fine for both women and men to set whatever criteria they want in a partner be it material wealth or physical beauty.

Its is acceptable for women to want to find a rich husband and likewise for men to want a pretty wife.

However writing about it and sharing on the Internet is another matter and is bound to attract both support and ridicule. Especially TS who can be seen as gloating.

I have friends who are single both men and women and already in 40s and 50s. Some are happy and some are not.

For all the younger people out there. Remember this saying,

We are bound by the choices that we make when we were younger. So always make important decisions wisely such as choosing the right life partner.

A life partner can make a profound difference in someone life.

Locally you have Siti Hasmah who make an important but understated contribution to Tun Mahathir political success.

For women.. If you marry the wrong person.. Whitney Houston is a good example.

Choose wisely for both men and women and don't look for superficial things but the inner qualities and character of the person.

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haha this is so true. But women dont care do they? As long as there multiple digits in the bank account.

oh the sh!t I have had to deal with coming from a single parent household and struggling to have food on the table when I was younger. I am quite offended by how TS describes the guys as if they are a template

Eldest / Only son

Rich
family biz

Semi D / Bungalow

5 Digit currency / Luxury car / Imported / Expensive

Wow. OK. U made it in life. Congrats
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Just wondering, where do you look for eligible guys regularly? I'm in the market for a gf tongue.gif I'd like to think I'm pretty successful for my age and upbringing - my family background is pretty poor (the sub <3k income group due to age and failed business), earned a scholarship to a good uni in US, and am working in tech now. Struck it rich due to some investments over the years, and am my investments are earning enough to let me retire. I think I hit pretty much all the standards set by OP, although I don't have a family business to inherit lol.

More seriously, how does the Malaysian dating scene look lately? I'm a regular mid-twenties guy that just recently came back to Malaysia (to accompany my parents and bring them traveling), and I'm unsure of even where to start to meet other successful ladies as I simply work from home.

Some insights from me:
I'm not looking for any gold diggers or even girls for their looks - I prefer presentable girls of course but I'm not a stickler for the looks. My last (and only sweat.gif) ex-girlfriend was extremely intelligent (currently going for a PhD) although lacking in the looks department. Of course, being fit and healthy is important though. I'm not sure how other 'successful' guys do, but for me I'm looking for someone who can hold an intelligent conversation with me as well as share my passion in traveling. I've been to over 30+ countries so far, and I intend to re-visit some of them and extend my list of countries visited too.

Bookmarked to continue reading the thread later.
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QUOTE(jakeliew @ Aug 11 2018, 11:54 PM)
(using my throwaway/spare account for privacy concerns)

Just wondering, where do you look for eligible guys regularly? I'm in the market for a gf tongue.gif I'd like to think I'm pretty successful for my age and upbringing - my family background is pretty poor (the sub <3k income group due to age and failed business), earned a scholarship to a good uni in US, and am working in tech now. Struck it rich due to some investments over the years, and am my investments are earning enough to let me retire. I think I hit pretty much all the standards set by OP, although I don't have a family business to inherit lol.

More seriously, how does the Malaysian dating scene look lately? I'm a regular mid-twenties guy that just recently came back to Malaysia (to accompany my parents and bring them traveling), and I'm unsure of even where to start to meet other successful ladies as I simply work from home.

Some insights from me:
I'm not looking for any gold diggers or even girls for their looks - I prefer presentable girls of course but I'm not a stickler for the looks. My last (and only sweat.gif) ex-girlfriend was extremely intelligent (currently going for a PhD) although lacking in the looks department. Of course, being fit and healthy is important though. I'm not sure how other 'successful' guys do, but for me I'm looking for someone who can hold an intelligent conversation with me as well as share my passion in traveling. I've been to over 30+ countries so far, and I intend to re-visit some of them and extend my list of countries visited too.

Bookmarked to continue reading the thread later.
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use tinder bro.

use those photos that took in european country as profile picture. If you are fit and average look, i can guarantee you can get alot of matches. cheers


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Ts, aren't u the one who was a sugarbaby before? Or maybe I mistaken u with someone...

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QUOTE(jakeliew @ Aug 11 2018, 11:54 PM)
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Some insights from me:
I'm not looking for any gold diggers or even girls for their looks - I prefer presentable girls of course but I'm not a stickler for the looks. My last (and only sweat.gif) ex-girlfriend was extremely intelligent (currently going for a PhD) although lacking in the looks department. Of course, being fit and healthy is important though. I'm not sure how other 'successful' guys do, but for me I'm looking for someone who can hold an intelligent conversation with me as well as share my passion in traveling. I've been to over 30+ countries so far, and I intend to re-visit some of them and extend my list of countries visited too.

Bookmarked to continue reading the thread later.
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I shared in post #29, that you can meet girls at...

Public events-- EventBrite, FB Events, sponsored Ads, posts that your friends share (public runs, group outings etc)
Hobby classes-- purchase on Fave, go with friends
Gatherings-- Meetup app, learning circles, join local clubs (e.g. Toastmasters), NGOs, e.g. https://www.dosomething.gd/

Another way is to join FB communities where you can meet like-minded individuals. I recently joined a few FB groups for solo female travellers. You can look for such FB groups, for both males and female travellers, of course.

You're in your mid-20s, still have plenty of time. Don't rush it. wink.gif
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QUOTE(TheReaderReads @ Aug 17 2018, 08:17 PM)
Ts, aren't u the one who was a sugarbaby before? Or maybe I mistaken u with someone...
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I am never a sugar baby. It's easy money, but it's a path of no return.
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I am never a sugar baby. It's easy money, but it's a path of no return.
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I am not taking any position on this, but I am curious as to why your opinion is such.
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QUOTE(ViktorJ @ Aug 17 2018, 10:59 PM)
I am not taking any position on this, but I am curious as to why your opinion is such.
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I read these articles:
Inside The World of Malaysian Sugar Babies
Student Shares Experience as a Sugar Baby
Sugar Relationships Turned Sour
The Bite is Bitter for Sugar Babies

From the articles,

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Young people who engage in such relationships might also find themselves “unable to develop normal relationships based on reciprocal love” after their sugar baby years are over.

But she can’t do this for the rest of her life. As much as some of her clients are interested in her at the moment, she knows it’s only temporary.  She wishes she was in a genuine relationship because the stress would be far less. “Sometimes I’ll just lay there and look up at the ceiling and think about how much I want to cry,” she said. When she walks away from her sugar life, she will remember the effect it will have made on her character.

“Sugar babies are often expected to accompany their sugar daddies out and about,” he said. “The girls may feel pressured or are outrightly forced to drink and take illegal substances. I have treated a sugar baby who was hooked on drugs and couldn’t leave her sugar daddy. She couldn’t afford the drugs he was supplying her.”

Lydia, who met her sugar daddy when she was in her 20s, was introduced to drugs by the man and became dependent on them. She was forced to join group sex and other abnormal sexual acts while intoxicated. It was tough, but Lydia managed to get out of the relationship, recover from depression and is now married with two children. Until today, she still has issues with intimacy.
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From an ex-sugar daddy's POV,
I’m 50, A CEO, & A Former Sugar Daddy — Here’s What I Want You To Know

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The third woman I call the "mercenary," and she was the most dangerous person I think I ever met. She scared the shit out of me. She would say anything to make you think she loved you. She lied about not having a boyfriend, not living with him, got all the money, gifts, trips, and plane tickets, and when her boyfriend finally threw her out, she came crawling to me.


How much does sugar baby in M'sia earn? Range from RM400 to RM5,000 a month, but it's not a stable "job", and it leaves emotional, mental and physical scars.

So, no thanks. It's not ideal at all.

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Interesting..
If the girl has higher value why called this disappointed?

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Interesting..
If the girl has higher value why called this disappointed?
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Surface value and intrinsic value hold different values.

That's on top of one man's meat is another man's poison.

So, when someone is doing hardselling; then, it's time to walk away.
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Sugar babies are just a polite term for prostitute.

Both the daddy or mama and the baby know that the relationship is 99% held together by just money.

Sugar babe who think that they are Julia Roberts in Pretty Woman looking to land a Richard Gere as a husband should take a reality pill.
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How high value do you think she can be? Stop putting women a bove your head.
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Agree. If read through properly, it seems that she doesn't know the market or the reality of $ value.
The rich that she refer at times is just about 5 figure.
And the sugarbaby that she value is just about RM400 - RM5000? Come on... 15+years back, when I was just out of school.. have already heard a few of my ex-schoolmates being offer RM8K-10K. Yeah... the cheapest get RM5K and she actually was my junior and deem as ugly and we laugh knowing she got offered. But probably it's her fate.. almost all her bf are married man... hmm.
We are from all-girls school. And so far didn't hear anyone take up the offer as their decision are answerable to their parents. And of coz decade back, girls are not tat daring. Only have 1 girl who actually demand her bf (ppl's husband) to get her a job before she agree to move to KL (before that she work in Spore). She actually dated him without knowing he already married. But been in love with him only to find out he cheated, he end up offer her this package (undisclosed amount of $, condo & car) to keep the relationship going. She wanted to be with him (love la), but she demanded him to get her a job (rejecting that package).. probably have a little sense of dignity? But he can't provide what she want, so that's the end.

If a sugarbaby now cost RM5K? That is the cheapo cheap range.. I don't have group of girl friends cost this low. tongue.gif

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If you wanna marry a rich man, you gotta have the qualities that they want, and be as perfect as possible. You gotta work on yourself first.

Based on my experience & feedback from them, their checklist of ideal wife material is as follows:

1) Appearance (tall, pretty, attractive) -- presentable when bringing her to attend biz functions
2) Brain (intelligent, ambitious, highly educated) -- to be their partner, and help them in biz & career
3) Filial to his parents -- most of them are the only/eldest son, so what their mum thinks of their woman is very important
4) Can be a good mum -- they want to produce the best offspring
5) Talented -- have other hobbies or talents, e.g. singing, dancing, cooking, socialising etc

It took me 5 years sweat.gif to perfect myself so that I could attract the men I want. Yeah, I stayed single & unavailable for many years, just to polish myself to near-perfection.

How did I do it?

In terms of looks, I have spent nearly RM50k in the past few years on various skincare treatments to look beautiful, such as going for facials, mani/pedicure, hair treatments (rebonding, colouring), doing my eyebrows, lips, skin hair removal & polishing, body massages etc. Yeah, I look naturally pretty without any makeup; no need to edit photos too. With makeup, I look way more gorgeous. (Yeah, spent so much $$$, will of coz look fabulous.)

On a side note, a woman being able to spend RM10k a year on beauty enhancements without getting bankrupt or in bad debt is a sign of high earning power & prudent financial management. Men find rich/high-earning women attractive too, so be one. (Yeah, easier said than done, but can be done.)

Having good looks alone is not enough. If you are an empty flower vase = look good on the outside but have nothing solid inside, rich men will lose interest fast, coz you're no different from those hot chicks they meet.

So yeah, I spent lots of time reading books, esp. biz, finance, investments etc ("dry & boring" for most women), so that I know what to chat with them, and impress them. Then I also developed side interests, and learnt how to cook delicious meals, sing songs etc. & I work out to shape & tone my body; going to be age 30 but still look around mid-20s. 

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Hard work does pay off.

The outcome? Attracted many high-earning professionals, and went on dates with them. (Birds of a feather flock together  wink.gif)

Also attracted several rich men, who pursued/proposed to me:

1) M, eldest son of a bizman who owns a transportation company. Lives in double-storey semi-D, now runs his father's company. Stole my first kiss without consent. Yeah, punched him after that, but he was still happy.

2) L, eldest son of a bizman who owns a timber lodging company. Lives in double-storey bungalow, drove a Mercedez to fetch me at my house before, for an expensive lunch date. Confessed to me and wished to bring me home to meet his parents.

3) C, only son of a rich family, lives in single-storey bungalow, works in Oil & Gas, earning 5-digit MYR a month. Came to my house one late night (around 10pm+) to give me a box of imported chocolates. Parents are family friends.

4) W, only son of a rich biz family, studied in the U.K. Lives in a bungalow, inherits his family business to supply automobile parts to major car manufacturers. Wished to bring me home to meet his parents.

5) K, eldest son of a rich biz family, studied in the U.K. Inherited family wealth, earning 5-digit SGD a month. We're engaged now. Our anniversary trip this year is to Phuket, pre-wedding photoshoot will be in Taiwan, and the reception + honeymoon (destination wedding) will be in Maldives ← he suggested these countries.

Btw, I'm not working currently; he's supporting me financially. I have 1-2 years to relax and go travel, and upgrade myself to tip-top condition so that we can start own biz and family. He and I have discussed earning in MYR and also in USD, and sending our kids to international school.

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When you become the best, you will deserve the best. I didn't come from a rich family; was poor and starving before, but I worked hard to the top in terms of studies and career. That made me into a confident and ambitious lady, and not just sit there dressed in rags with self-pity, and passively waiting & daydreaming for some prince to rescue me. Nah, it doesn't happen that way in real life.

A few things to take note:

Firstly, rich guys don't like it when girls covet their wealth. They can easily sense if you are after them, or after their money. Money is important, but greed and materialism is a huge turn-off.

Secondly, of course, not all of us have the luck to meet/date rich men. It depends on the social circles/social class you are in. If you life is confined to just work and home, then chances are, you ain't gonna meet any of them. You need to actively go out and express yourself, be it in events or gatherings, or online.

Thirdly, it's not easy to manage wealth and multiply it. If you only wanna be a rich tai-tai who can't help much in your husband's biz/career, chances are, years down the road, you're out of the game, as you become liability and no longer asset. With great power (privileges) comes great responsibility and expectations.

Fourthly, if you're dating a guy who is earning an average income, please develop his potential and push him to success. Your aspiration, dreams and energy level can fuel his ambition to give you the life both of you want -- enjoy comfort without worry, and perhaps, a life of luxury one day. Don't just sit there and complain about him (look down on him and make him feel like a loser) when you yourself have done nothing much to upgrade yourself. It must go both ways/ reciprocal. In order to receive, you need to give first. Sow first, and reap later.

Btw, if a man feels he can't catch up on you, he'll either level up his game to be on par with you (great!), or feel insecure enough to let you go/ become controlling.

Lastly, love a man not for his money, but for his personality, his character, dreams and ambitions, and earning potential. The truly rich man is one who can lose everything, smile and start all over again, and earn the same pot of gold in a decade or two. Now that is what I call true wealth. thumbsup.gif

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OK, done sharing my part. Feel free to add on any tips and comments. No trolls pls; it's annoying. 

Btw, if you're a rich guy, feel free to share what you think/ what qualities you're looking for in a woman/ what type of women deserve you. & maybe give a tip or two about how you achieve success/ build wealth for our fellow forumers to learn from.
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Ralna, I have read your entire thread with great interest as this topic somehow has a direct correlation with my present circumstance. I read that you've honed the path towards marrying a rich man and I do understand and agree completely with respect to your convictions and motivations.

Just to begin, we are of similar age albeit growing up in different backgrounds. I would consider myself to be in the upper echelons of the world, I'm educated overseas, yes I'm the only son and stand to inherit the family business. This is not boasting. For you to understand the points I'm about to make you must first understand my background. I am not just another "rich man's son", I have gone through immeasurable suffering during the 1997 financial crisis which left my family in major debt - we were close to bankruptcy and it's safe to say my family lost everything.

You see Ralna, there is a distinct difference between being born poor (in this case, you) as compared to having everything and then losing them and having to make major changes in life (in this case, me). Because then when you are so comfortable and hell breaks loose you feel a deep pain, a special pain for your parents who continued to fight day and night to keep things afloat. I remember vividly the nights when my mother crying and screaming inconsolably. These are memories which I keep deep within my heart. I'm blessed. Our fortunes turned and once again the family business thrived. We expanded from palm oil to sand mining, concrete, bricks and glass. It's safe to say this oligopoly in the southern region is only controlled by a few major families.

That being said, you did mention your fiancee makes 5 digits in Singapore. If I'm completely honest, I too began my career in the Banking industry in Singapore and I hit 5 digits by the age of 25. This is of course, inclusive of bonuses as they do pay very well in Corporate Finance. Singapore is after all a Financial hub. By 28 I became an Executive Director in a foreign bank in SG. I shall not disclose any further as the banking industry is small and my identity can easily be unmasked based on the 2 paragraphs above. My point is that I made sure to do well and work hard because I understand the value of money - due to my past. I'm proud because through my own cunning and caliber I climbed the corporate ladder swift for my age.

I left the corporate world at 29 (this year) to join the family business.

Now Ralna, on to my main point. I'll be blunt so forgive me. You've done so much and therefore you need to aim higher. Based on your posts I can deduce that your impression of wealth is too modest, or to be blunt, low. You're impressed with a man picking you up with a Mercedes, earning 5 figures, etc. I'll be honest to tell you that any mid-level executive can easily afford a Mercedes. In fact I drove a BMW 3 series at the age of 25, fully funded on my own. Your idea of wealth is limited. The rich can easily afford exotic cars - Lamborghinis, Ferraris which go in the tune of millions. The rich are able to spend the same amount in a single shop in Paris and only fly private.

Onto the topic of gold diggers - I have met my fair share of them. I do not see anything wrong because their intentions are straightforward and so are mine. It's essentially companionship for gifts and meals. Of course, many will hope for a grounded relationship with hopes towards marriage. Nobody can blame a woman for wanting to be set for life, can we? Only smart women would do what you've done (and perhaps even more) to acquire a rich man.

I'm not belittling your efforts but there are too many beautiful, well read, highly intelligent and articulate women I've come across who can really hold a conversation on multiple levels to great depth - be it from financial markets to even religion. In the end I settled for none of them. I suppose matters of the heart is just impossible to explain. I went back to my first love - my sweetheart. She might not be flashy or as dynamic as other women but if I have to explain why, then I'd say that every instinct in my body points towards this woman to be the mother of my children. A woman who did not approach me due to my status or wealth and she's highly aggressive with great business acumen. This is an inborn talent which not many possess.

Ralna, I wish you only the very best. I reckon you're on track towards upper-middle class. Aim higher, because you and your husband have all the potential to work towards it smile.gif
















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wow this thread really struck me as I just got an advice to get a rich man..haha

personally i would avoid rich man. I think the perfect partner would be someone not rich but try his best to be one. It doesnt matter if he succeed or not but I think its great for a man to be willing to do that..i really dont mind to keep living in a low cost house, being unable to buy expensive shoes n bags, or clothes.

I feel like the joy of buying those things are there when I rarely able to buy it. I think if i cn just buy them with a snap of a finger is just doesnt have any joy in it at all, knowing myself very well I might also take things fr granted and my attitude will screw up.

My family used to be rich, anything I want, they buy fr me. I was such a terrible kid last time until i realized that when my family was in chaos, I am such a selfish person all these while, so i changed my habit, and keep challenging myself.

Me being me who loves watching movie that shows girl go out with rich man, having paradise life, I thought of that last time and I did went out with some rich guys. Personally speaking, i cant relate to anything they say, and they spoil me that i feel like im gonna be a worse person if i keep hanging out with them. So i stopped.

That of course doesnt mean poor guys are the best, of course no.
There are poor guys who got attitude as well, surprisingly haha

what i found in some poor guys is that they always feel pessimistic n say "nah, im comfortable being this way"
It shows that they are just plain lazy and not willing to be a better person in general. I went out with that kind of person last time, and I just feel like me as a person who keep wanting to be better, lonely and unmotivated.

So yeah, i think its nice to see people not from their bank account, house n cars, but rather on their mindset and attitude.

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QUOTE(hinder @ Sep 9 2018, 01:51 AM)
Ralna, I have read your entire thread with great interest as this topic somehow has a direct correlation with my present circumstance. I read that you've honed the path towards marrying a rich man and I do understand and agree completely with respect to your convictions and motivations.

Just to begin, we are of similar age albeit growing up in different backgrounds. I would consider myself to be in the upper echelons of the world, I'm educated overseas, yes I'm the only son and stand to inherit the family business. This is not boasting. For you to understand the points I'm about to make you must first understand my background. I am not just another "rich man's son", I have gone through immeasurable suffering during the 1997 financial crisis which left my family in major debt - we were close to bankruptcy and it's safe to say my family lost everything.

You see Ralna, there is a distinct difference between being born poor (in this case, you) as compared to having everything and then losing them and having to make major changes in life (in this case, me). Because then when you are so comfortable and hell breaks loose you feel a deep pain, a special pain for your parents who continued to fight day and night to keep things afloat. I remember vividly the nights when my mother crying and screaming inconsolably. These are memories which I keep deep within my heart. I'm blessed. Our fortunes turned and once again the family business thrived. We expanded from palm oil to sand mining, concrete, bricks and glass. It's safe to say this oligopoly in the southern region is only controlled by a few major families.

That being said, you did mention your fiancee makes 5 digits in Singapore. If I'm completely honest, I too began my career in the Banking industry in Singapore and I hit 5 digits by the age of 25. This is of course, inclusive of bonuses as they do pay very well in Corporate Finance. Singapore is after all a Financial hub. By 28 I became an Executive Director in a foreign bank in SG. I shall not disclose any further as the banking industry is small and my identity can easily be unmasked based on the 2 paragraphs above. My point is that I made sure to do well and work hard because I understand the value of money - due to my past. I'm proud because through my own cunning and caliber I climbed the corporate ladder swift for my age.

I left the corporate world at 29 (this year) to join the family business.

Now Ralna, on to my main point. I'll be blunt so forgive me. You've done so much and therefore you need to aim higher. Based on your posts I can deduce that your impression of wealth is too modest, or to be blunt, low. You're impressed with a man picking you up with a Mercedes, earning 5 figures, etc. I'll be honest to tell you that any mid-level executive can easily afford a Mercedes. In fact I drove a BMW 3 series at the age of 25, fully funded on my own. Your idea of wealth is limited. The rich can easily afford exotic cars - Lamborghinis, Ferraris which go in the tune of millions. The rich are able to spend the same amount in a single shop in Paris and only fly private.

Onto the topic of gold diggers - I have met my fair share of them. I do not see anything wrong because their intentions are straightforward and so are mine. It's essentially companionship for gifts and meals. Of course, many will hope for a grounded relationship with hopes towards marriage. Nobody can blame a woman for wanting to be set for life, can we? Only smart women would do what you've done (and perhaps even more) to acquire a rich man.

I'm not belittling your efforts but there are too many beautiful, well read, highly intelligent and articulate women I've come across who can really hold a conversation on multiple levels to great depth - be it from financial markets to even religion. In the end I settled for none of them. I suppose matters of the heart is just impossible to explain. I went back to my first love - my sweetheart. She might not be flashy or as dynamic as other women but if I have to explain why, then I'd say that every instinct in my body points towards this woman to be the mother of my children. A woman who did not approach me due to my status or wealth and she's highly aggressive with great business acumen. This is an inborn talent which not many possess.

Ralna, I wish you only the very best. I reckon you're on track towards upper-middle class. Aim higher, because you and your husband have all the potential to work towards it smile.gif
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Hi, Hinder. Thanks for your time to share your life experience, and write a meaningful and enlightening reply.

I divide wealth into 4 categories, which are:

1) wealth from employment
2) wealth from business
3) wealth from inheritance
4) wealth, in terms of quality time

Most people make money from employment, so if they can make 5-digit or 6-digit a month, it's good enough to live a comfortable life with some luxury.

Then, we have those who make money from self-employment or business. The benchmark is, of course, higher, as businessmen can pay themselves as much as they like, and join the ultra-rich whose wealth is measured in millions or billions (7-digit to 9-digit, or more). They can therefore afford the private planes and splurge to their hearts' content. Often, their children or grandchildren do not need to work at all/ as hard, as they will inherit family wealth.

People who don't belong to the first 3 categories might belong to the 4th. These are people who work earnestly to make a living and earn 4-digit a month, while still having time to spend with their friends and family, and doing some hobbies. They are content with what they have. This is another form of wealth, coz quality time with family, friends and self, can be a luxury that the ultra-rich don't enjoy.

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My husband, well, I know him the way he is. He belongs to the first category, and he's not interested in biz at all although he comes from a biz family. He likes what he's doing in the corporate world.

So, I don't expect him to make millions or billions, since that's not what he wants in life. If he does coz I expects/pressures him to, that will make me a real gold digger then. That's not what I want to see. I want him to be happy and content with what he has achieved in life. I don't compare him with the ultra-rich, and burden him with my wants.

As for myself, I have quit employment to venture into training business. I've got myself 3 biz mentors to kick start with the whole biz-building process, which involves different but related niches, and also got myself several trainers to further polish the skills that I have. The total learning time will be 3 years, which includes acquiring several international certifications. The investment in re-educating myself is about RM40k-50k, plus a PhD in entrepreneurship that will cost another RM25k-30k for 4 years of study.

So, that's my plan for the next 5 to 10 years. In fact, I'll be the main breadwinner of the family. He knows I can make so much more money than he can, and he wants to live off me so that he can resign and be the househusband. He jokes that this is his "motive" to be with me. LOL.

Well, who knows what the future holds. I'm just doing my best every day, since the beginning of my 20s, be it in studies, career, health, appearance, relationships (social & professional), and others.

I'm optimistic of my future, coz if I could make 6-digit a year from employment in my late-20s, then making 7-digit or more from business in my 30s is possible, but with strategic moves and guidance from successful businessmen and industry experts to accelerate the whole learning curve, and achieve biz success and build wealth fast. This is the core confidence that I have, before I quit my job. With pure dedication into and zero distraction from my goals, I can hit the targets set by my mentors much faster, if compared to building biz part-time while working full-time.

Time is the most precious commodity, especially for a woman. I wanna get all these done before I have kids. I love them so much, way before they are born. I made the leap coz I want my kids to have the most nurturing environment to grow up in, and enjoy a happy childhood with both parents around most of the time. I don't want to be a working mum who stays in office 9-5 and OT a lot, and goes home feeling tired and worn. My mum had such a working life, so I don't wanna repeat it.

This is, in fact, the dilemma of most working mums. If given a choice, most of them would wanna quit their jobs and have more time for their husbands and kids, own parents, friends and themselves. Since I have the abilities and finances to do the alternative (get out of employment), I will, in the best interest of my husband and children.

If you ask me if re-education is a good investment, I'd say it is. I utilized my first two academic degrees to their max, broke even after the 1st year of working. After that, ROI after that was 800% in 4 years. That's 200% of returns p.a., on average.

Hence, I will always encourage those who want to make more money or more free time, to first get themselves educated in the industry knowledge and acquire expertise first, before they start any new job hunts, or ventures. & for working mums who wanna quit their full-time job to take care of their children and yet worry about losing source of income, this is the alternative to work from home or own office.

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I can totally relate to what you wrote: "I suppose matters of the heart is just impossible to explain".

When I first met him, I saw him as a good friend and confidant. He was unemployed for 5 months that time, and was dressed haggardly in plain white T-shirt and shorts. He's totally not in the category of men whom I'd go out with for dating or flirting purpose. Among all the men I had met, I didn't see him as a rich man, at all. He's extremely low-profile.

Why did I accept his pursuit? Hmm... coz when I first met him, there's this voice in my head that said, "You're doomed." (你完蛋了!) I didn't believe it, so ... and in the end, I was really "doomed"--- my single & carefree life ended abruptly, and the commitment to him and our family began. (Is this karma or blessings in disguise?? LOL.)

So, there you go. Another side of the whole story. wink.gif

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QUOTE(iloilo @ Sep 9 2018, 01:44 PM)
wow this thread really struck me as I just got an advice to get a rich man..haha

personally i would avoid rich man. I think the perfect partner would be someone not rich but try his best to be one. It doesnt matter if he succeed or not but I think its great for a man to be willing to do that..i really dont mind to keep living in a low cost house, being unable to buy expensive shoes n bags, or clothes.

I feel like the joy of buying those things are there when I rarely able to buy it. I think if i cn just buy them with a snap of a finger is just doesnt have any joy in it at all, knowing myself very well I might also take things fr granted and my attitude will screw up.

My family used to be rich, anything I want, they buy fr me. I was such a terrible kid last time until i realized that when my family was in chaos, I am such a  selfish person all these while, so i changed my habit, and keep challenging myself.

Me being me who loves watching movie that shows girl go out with rich man, having paradise life, I thought of that last time and I did went out with some rich guys. Personally speaking, i cant relate to anything they say, and they spoil me that i feel like im gonna be a worse person if i keep hanging out with them. So i stopped.

That of course doesnt mean poor guys are the best, of course no.
There are poor guys who got attitude as well, surprisingly haha

what i found in some poor guys is that they always feel pessimistic n say "nah, im comfortable being this way"
It shows that they are just plain lazy and not willing to be a better person in general
. I went out with that kind of person last time, and I just feel like me as a person who keep wanting to be better, lonely and unmotivated.

So yeah, i think its nice to see people not from their bank account, house n cars, but rather on their mindset and attitude.
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I agree with your points above, with some clarifications for all readers:

Not all women have the luck/ charisma to attract rich men, so, instead of hoping to meet one, she should invest in self-development and other improvements first. When she has leveled up herself, the men she sees regularly will be of higher quality, coz of the new social circles she formed.

If this works and she attracts the man she wants (rich/ successful/ her criteria), then it's good. If not, at least, when she meets the man she likes, and he happens to be an average Joe, she can influence him to become better--- not by pressuring him, but leading by living an exemplary life.

Sometimes, a "poor/ lazy/pessimistic/ complacent/ timid" man just need some motivation from his woman to overcome his inner fears and doubts, and push himself to be better. There's no need to nag at him to earn more money or aim for higher positions or better jobs, coz men actually know where they stand in life as compared to their male peers or family members (father, uncles, elder brothers etc). It's just that they tend to run away from problems, because it's so tough to handle financial pressure and other pressures/ expectations in life. They also don't believe they can overcome obstacles, not to mention having the confidence to do so.

Do know that, all men are in-built with the strong desire to succeed in life, and it hurts badly to be labelled as losers by their own family, society, friends and themselves, and worst, their own women. As for which type of success they want to achieve in life, that's up to themselves to define it.

I always believe that it is women's calling to help men develop and achieve their greatest potential. That's why women mature much earlier than men, biologically, mentally and emotionally, so that women can nurture men and also, their children. (Note: Nurture by NOT nagging!)

Some women respond to the calling, while some don't, thinking that men are grown-ups and should know what to do. The latter usually have the stereotypes about men being tough and strong, and must not show any weakness or shed any tears.

Well, all I can say is, if a woman wants her man to excel in life, she must first excel in her own life, and only then her man will be inspired and want to be a better version of himself. If she wants her man to be rich and handsome, she should first be rich and pretty herself, or else, don't demand. If she manages to get a rich, tall and handsome man despite being poor, fat and ugly, it's either her luck/ inner beauty or some dirty tactics, which she herself knows. Just giving an example here.

Mindset and attitude can be changed, but before we attempt to change our partner/spouse, we must first change our own to align to the ideals. What are the ideals? That's for both partners to agree upon and work towards together. It cannot be one partner setting the ideals, and then enforcing his/her expectations on the other. That's dictatorship, not relationship.

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does this then mean, you are not marrying a rich guy anymore because, you are making your own fortune? tongue.gif

suddenly, you sound like the most understanding and sweet lady that it doesnt matter if I am making more than my husband which defeats the entire intention of starting this thread of 'How to marry a rich man'?

A man is still regarded as rich when you have bigger fortune than he has huh - in your context!

One more thing - you said earlier : Btw, I'm not working currently; he's supporting me financially. I have 1-2 years to relax and go travel, and upgrade myself to tip-top condition so that we can start own biz and family. He and I have discussed earning in MYR and also in USD, and sending our kids to international school

but you started business already? can be done so quick / easily?

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does this then mean, you are not marrying a rich guy anymore because, you are making your own fortune?  tongue.gif

suddenly, you sound like the most understanding and sweet lady that it doesnt matter if I am making more than my husband which defeats the entire intention of starting this thread of 'How to marry a rich man'?
Oh no no, please dont start. She will use her 'own' reasons to explain herself, while some of us here obviously able to smell her through her skins including me.

Some has already highlighted her inconsistencies in her past posts. Not exactly sure her motives, but one reason I could think of is attention whoring and trying to cover her ass. biggrin.gif

There is no point debating this situation which she draws in "her world" because she can never be wrong. I have known girls who are not that "good of quality" being accepted in the rich families. This is nothing new.
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I have nothing against TS but would appreciate a litte bit more consistency in her way of portraying herself. Given the poverty she had been through in her earlier years, her determination of moving into a higher social class has no wrong at all.. but what she is trying so hard to portray that I am blessed to have met rich guy but I dont like them just for money - really? Why try so hard? Could just openly admit my life partner has to be at the wealth level that I am comfortable with. TS also emphasized so much of 'upgrading' herself which is a lot of it is outer beauty - doesnt that reflect how shallow she and the guys she met have been. I am not saying outer beauty is not important but does it have to go that extend just to marry a rich man?

And TS mentioned for a lady to spend RM10k a year for 'upgrading' which average to about RM 1k a month. Assuming TS earns about RM6k – RM10k her take home pay will be between RM 4,800 – RM 8,000. Some maths as below:
• Upgrading outer beauty (aka investment) – RM 1,000
• Car – RM 1,000
• Insurance – RM 500
• Savings (assuming TS saves 30% of her take home pay) – RM 1,400 to RM 2,400
• Investment - questionable

In the scenario, TS earns RM 6k – she would only have about RM 700 to spend or if she earns RM 10k then yes, she has RM 3.1k.
So, question again is, if she regarded herself as high income earner, how are five figure salaries appealing to her given she would probably achieve them in no time (assuming TS earned that much in her 20s)

Then my question back to TS would be - what about ladies who earn 5 figure salary, drive a luxurious car, average looking but still single - where / what else are these ladies supposed to fix to attract these rich guys? Outer beauty, really?

My darling TS, great that things worked in your way but seriously trying so hard to justify yourself on what a catch you are - just dont bother.

Ps: Yes, call me bitter aunty if you want tongue.gif

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aiyo dont la. Me and the other 3 guys had fun exposing her lies back in July. Not going back to history liao lo.
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If you wanna marry a rich man, you gotta have the qualities that they want, and be as perfect as possible. You gotta work on yourself first.

Based on my experience & feedback from them, their checklist of ideal wife material is as follows:

1) Appearance (tall, pretty, attractive) -- presentable when bringing her to attend biz functions
2) Brain (intelligent, ambitious, highly educated) -- to be their partner, and help them in biz & career
3) Filial to his parents -- most of them are the only/eldest son, so what their mum thinks of their woman is very important
4) Can be a good mum -- they want to produce the best offspring
5) Talented -- have other hobbies or talents, e.g. singing, dancing, cooking, socialising etc

It took me 5 years :sweat: to perfect myself so that I could attract the men I want. Yeah, I stayed single & unavailable for many years, just to polish myself to near-perfection.

How did I do it?

In terms of looks, I have spent nearly RM50k in the past few years on various skincare treatments to look beautiful, such as going for facials, mani/pedicure, hair treatments (rebonding, colouring), doing my eyebrows, lips, skin hair removal & polishing, body massages etc. Yeah, I look naturally pretty without any makeup; no need to edit photos too. With makeup, I look way more gorgeous. (Yeah, spent so much $$$, will of coz look fabulous.)

On a side note, a woman being able to spend RM10k a year on beauty enhancements without getting bankrupt or in bad debt is a sign of high earning power & prudent financial management. Men find rich/high-earning women attractive too, so be one. (Yeah, easier said than done, but can be done.)

Having good looks alone is not enough. If you are an empty flower vase = look good on the outside but have nothing solid inside, rich men will lose interest fast, coz you're no different from those hot chicks they meet.

So yeah, I spent lots of time reading books, esp. biz, finance, investments etc ("dry & boring" for most women), so that I know what to chat with them, and impress them. Then I also developed side interests, and learnt how to cook delicious meals, sing songs etc. & I work out to shape & tone my body; going to be age 30 but still look around mid-20s. 

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Hard work does pay off.

The outcome? Attracted many high-earning professionals, and went on dates with them. (Birds of a feather flock together  ;))

Also attracted several rich men, who pursued/proposed to me:

1) M, eldest son of a bizman who owns a transportation company. Lives in double-storey semi-D, now runs his father's company. Stole my first kiss without consent. Yeah, punched him after that, but he was still happy.

2) L, eldest son of a bizman who owns a timber lodging company. Lives in double-storey bungalow, drove a Mercedez to fetch me at my house before, for an expensive lunch date. Confessed to me and wished to bring me home to meet his parents.

3) C, only son of a rich family, lives in single-storey bungalow, works in Oil & Gas, earning 5-digit MYR a month. Came to my house one late night (around 10pm+) to give me a box of imported chocolates. Parents are family friends.

4) W, only son of a rich biz family, studied in the U.K. Lives in a bungalow, inherits his family business to supply automobile parts to major car manufacturers. Wished to bring me home to meet his parents.

5) K, eldest son of a rich biz family, studied in the U.K. Inherited family wealth, earning 5-digit SGD a month. We're engaged now. Our anniversary trip this year is to Phuket, pre-wedding photoshoot will be in Taiwan, and the reception + honeymoon (destination wedding) will be in Maldives ← he suggested these countries.

Btw, I'm not working currently; he's supporting me financially. I have 1-2 years to relax and go travel, and upgrade myself to tip-top condition so that we can start own biz and family. He and I have discussed earning in MYR and also in USD, and sending our kids to international school.

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When you become the best, you will deserve the best. I didn't come from a rich family; was poor and starving before, but I worked hard to the top in terms of studies and career. That made me into a confident and ambitious lady, and not just sit there dressed in rags with self-pity, and passively waiting & daydreaming for some prince to rescue me. Nah, it doesn't happen that way in real life.

A few things to take note:

Firstly, rich guys don't like it when girls covet their wealth. They can easily sense if you are after them, or after their money. Money is important, but greed and materialism is a huge turn-off.

Secondly, of course, not all of us have the luck to meet/date rich men. It depends on the social circles/social class you are in. If you life is confined to just work and home, then chances are, you ain't gonna meet any of them. You need to actively go out and express yourself, be it in events or gatherings, or online.

Thirdly, it's not easy to manage wealth and multiply it. If you only wanna be a rich tai-tai who can't help much in your husband's biz/career, chances are, years down the road, you're out of the game, as you become liability and no longer asset. With great power (privileges) comes great responsibility and expectations.

Fourthly, if you're dating a guy who is earning an average income, please develop his potential and push him to success. Your aspiration, dreams and energy level can fuel his ambition to give you the life both of you want -- enjoy comfort without worry, and perhaps, a life of luxury one day. Don't just sit there and complain about him (look down on him and make him feel like a loser) when you yourself have done nothing much to upgrade yourself. It must go both ways/ reciprocal. In order to receive, you need to give first. Sow first, and reap later.

Btw, if a man feels he can't catch up on you, he'll either level up his game to be on par with you (great!), or feel insecure enough to let you go/ become controlling.

Lastly, love a man not for his money, but for his personality, his character, dreams and ambitions, and earning potential. The truly rich man is one who can lose everything, smile and start all over again, and earn the same pot of gold in a decade or two. Now that is what I call true wealth. :thumbsup:

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OK, done sharing my part. Feel free to add on any tips and comments. No trolls pls; it's annoying. 

Btw, if you're a rich guy, feel free to share what you think/ what qualities you're looking for in a woman/ what type of women deserve you. & maybe give a tip or two about how you achieve success/ build wealth for our fellow forumers to learn from.
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1. What is your meaning of rich please? Please kindly advice. Rothschild family!? Kwek Family!? Or those con man, gangster and so on rich family......Beside that, just to let you know a lot of Paria Tan Sri and Dato in Malaysia!

2. Study in UM mean excellent!? May I know what is the course, time to finish and result you have please?

3. 10k pa to spend in beauty product? Lamer!? I don't think so....you are not there! On other hand, it's not enough!

4. An excellent family will not take you as you don't have family background.......SERIOUS!

5. Job hunt always look for you......Sis, it's just an interview! What is the job offer please? Did you get it please? Basic RM15k or SGD15k!? A lot of malaysian thinking they work in SG are so great as they are earning RM10k per month. Hello, did you know the min income in SG is SGD3.2k for degree holder please? If you are earning, 5 figure SGD in basic. Serious, you are only few in the office.
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post Sep 14 2018, 02:53 PM

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Hi, readers.

I started this thread on 18 July 2018, and it's 14 Sept today. Almost 2 months have passed and this thread has garnered 32582 views and 449 replies.

Generally, this thread has drawn mixed responses, largely grouped into replies from males and from females. & from each gender, there are positive, neutral and negative replies from different social classes (lower, mid, upper-mid and upper class) and generations (baby boomers, gen X and gen Y). Such replies are expected since the topic itself is controversial. (designed that way).

I have also received private messages from (silent) readers, and became friends with them either on forum, LinkedIn, FB or WhatsApp. There are at least 10 forumers who know me in real life. (Just letting you know that I don't fake my ID or troll on forum.)

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Back to my first paragraph, when I shared the statistics gathered with a CEO friend who runs a digital marketing agency, he said:
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controversial topics are always great viral marketing instigators, and they are called epic content.


OK, that's something new I learnt from him when we discussed this.

Then I asked my trainer friend about why people responded the way they did (including myself), he said this:

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In NLP, there’s a presupposition call the ‘Map of the World’. Every individual’s map of the world is different and unique.

$1mil is different to different people in different context. I have friends who earn $40k a year but are the happiest people i know. I have friends who have $100mil to spend for the next 3 generations but are stressed over can they hold on to it.

A state of feeling e.g ‘Happy’ means the same for everyone, but the route to get to this state is different for everyone. It’s good to exchange views, but there’re always going to be different map of the world.


So, that's another new concept I learnt from him.

In this case, our maps of the world are different. We have different ideas about wealth, ideal spouse or ideal life, on top of others. These ideas may change from time to time, depending on what we experience as time passes.

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I stated in Post#169 that the whole post addressed 5W1H: "Who, When, What, Where, Why" and "How". The first post was structured this way: 50% about my experience, and the remaining 50% is for the audience.

From this thread, the main points for people to take away are:

1. What is your goal?
2. What are the requirements to achieve that goal?
3. What have you done to fulfill those requirements?
4. What is the outcome of your efforts?
5. What is the benchmark of your success?


In this case, the example I used was getting the man I wanted, since this is Cupid's Corner. For other examples, they are more suitable to be in other sub-forums (e.g Finance, Business and Investment House, Jobs and Careers, or Travel & Living), but the readers will then be a different group of audience.

The 5 questions above can be applied to any initiative you wanna start in life, be it in your relationship, career, finances and so on.

If you feel you can't get your dream gf/bf, or wife/husband, apply the 5 questions.
If you feel you can't progress to the next level in your career, apply the 5 questions.
If you wonder why you can't get rich, apply the 5 questions.
If you feel you have problems making friends, apply the 5 questions.
If you feel you wanna start your own company, apply the 5 questions.

Then, you'll realise why you're stuck with what's bugging you.

Success is never easy. & most of the time, when you start an initiative or share what you are doing with your friends and family, relatives, boss, colleague, strangers etc., you get mixed responses from people (positive, neutral, negative).

Many people are easily deterred or discouraged by other people and by setbacks in life, but all these can be overcome if you are...

1. highly focused on your goal (SMART: specific, measurable, attainable, relevant and time-bound)
2. highly determined in achieving it, no matter what or how long it takes, by hook or by crook (as long as it's legal and does not exploit/harm anyone)
3. highly confident, that you can achieve it no matter what people think or say to you, or how unfavourable circumstances currently are

coz, at the end of the day, you only have one chance to live the life you want. Even if you reincarnated or have an afterlife, it's not the same anymore.

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Anyway, the topic has served its purpose and objectives. It has been viewed and discussed many times till there's nothing new, and sometimes, off topic. I'll just close the thread coz the replies will always be repetitive of what have been discussed earlier, from page 1 to 23, which most people skipped reading. If you feel that you have something to say or ask, please pm.

Will I start another thread like this? Yes, coz I think it's quite fun, but not anytime soon.

My life has been ongoing at an accelerated pace. This is the 3rd month I quit my job, and I'd say I'm doing very well. I actually have lots to share after I complete this part of the journey (from employment to self-employment), but it'll be in other subforums.

Whether I'll be successful or not, time and results will tell. I'd say after years of preparation, I can now leverage on my resources to yield results faster, rather than doing everything on my own or starting from scratch (talking about forming Sdn. Bhd. here, not doing networking-related biz).

It's just like employment. You can aim to be the CEO of a Forbes 500 MNC, but whether you can reach that stage, is a different story. Time and results will tell whether your efforts are fruitful or futile.

Whether it's career or biz, relationship or marriage, or whatever it is, if you wanna do something great in life, you need to have the ambition for it. No ambition = won't plan ahead = nothing extraordinary will happen. The 5 questions listed earlier will help you to get to where you wanna go.

I wish you all the best in life, and if you have yet to experience it, it means you can do better. In fact, we all can do better, in many ways.

Thanks for reading. smile.gif

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