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post Jan 22 2021, 09:41 PM

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QUOTE(JohnLai @ Jan 22 2021, 09:36 PM)
Uh oh.....I only know that the only way to check..... sweat.gif
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then probably I can't know already, haha!

I just Google and seems that is the only way.
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post Jan 22 2021, 10:04 PM

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any detail guide for the SAM for using nvidia gpu??
what i read is need to configure the bios to enable SAM before installing window?
if the window installed is during bios did not enable SAM, it will not be booted up <-correct? hmm.gif

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post Jan 22 2021, 10:16 PM

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QUOTE(sai86 @ Jan 22 2021, 10:04 PM)
any detail guide for the SAM for using nvidia gpu??
what i read is need to configure the bios to enable SAM before installing window?
if the window installed is during bios did not enable SAM, it will not be booted up <-correct?  hmm.gif
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Note: Don't bother. Need nvidia to release compatible vbios or some sort of loadable microcode (through drivers) before SAM can be used.

https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/news/g...le-bar-support/
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What Platforms Support Resizable BAR?

GeForce RTX 30 Series laptops with both Intel and AMD CPUs will support Resizable BAR starting with their release in the coming weeks. Check with each laptop manufacturer about support on particular models.

For desktop systems to get the benefits of Resizable BAR, you will need a graphics card, motherboard and graphics driver that support the feature. New GeForce RTX graphics cards starting with the GeForce RTX 3060 will have support for Resizable BAR. NVIDIA and our GPU partners are also readying VBIOS updates for existing GeForce RTX 30 Series graphics cards starting in March.

Additionally, NVIDIA has been working closely with Intel, AMD and major motherboard manufacturers, including ASUS, ASRock, EVGA, GIGABYTE, and MSI, to bring Resizable BAR support to a wide range of motherboards.

“Intel has been working with NVIDIA to enable Resizable BAR, an advanced PCI-Express technology, across the PC ecosystem,” said Fredrik Hamberger, GM of Premium & Enthusiast Laptop Segments at Intel. “This feature can give gamers an extra boost in gameplay FPS on Intel’s new 11th generation H/S and select 10th generation systems when paired with supported graphics cards, including NVIDIA GeForce RTX 30 Series GPUs.”

Our Game Ready Driver with Resizable BAR support will be released alongside the GeForce RTX 3060 in late February.

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post Jan 22 2021, 10:24 PM

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QUOTE(JohnLai @ Jan 22 2021, 10:16 PM)
Note: Don't bother. Need nvidia to release compatible vbios or some sort of loadable microcode (through drivers) before SAM can be used.

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damn, wokay. i wont bother it then.
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post Jan 23 2021, 12:25 AM

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QUOTE(JohnLai @ Jan 22 2021, 09:17 PM)
AGESA 1.2.0.0 doesn't seem to make any difference to my Infinity Fabric OC, still limited to 1866Mhz.  sad.gif
Speaking of which, which batch is your 5900x?
My 5950x batch is 2046 = year 2020 week 46.
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2020 37th week here
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QUOTE(JohnLai @ Jan 22 2021, 09:38 PM)
3600?
K, remember to install the chipset driver and select the appropriate power plan.
Next, update the mainboard bios?
Crucial nvme.....hmmm, enable Momentum Cache after install Storage Executive?

Go to your BIOS and enable PBO, advanced = select Mainboard something to unlock the power limit.
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Not x variant. Not OC for now. I plan to buy higher cpu few years later, used or whenever the price is reasonable.
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post Jan 23 2021, 12:40 PM

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QUOTE(JohnLai @ Jan 22 2021, 09:17 PM)
AGESA 1.2.0.0 doesn't seem to make any difference to my Infinity Fabric OC, still limited to 1866Mhz.  sad.gif
Speaking of which, which batch is your 5900x?
My 5950x batch is 2046 = year 2020 week 46.
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it’s only guaranteed to 1600Mhz and the max is 2000. So anything more than 1600Mhz is see your luck. In fact before all the bios updates, many couldnt even run stable at 1600.

QUOTE(mystvearn @ Jan 23 2021, 02:15 AM)
Not x variant. Not OC for now. I plan to buy higher cpu few years later, used or whenever the price is reasonable.
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AM4 will be discontinued this gen sweat.gif. Zen4 will require a new socket already.

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post Jan 23 2021, 03:23 PM

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QUOTE(JohnLai @ Jan 22 2021, 09:17 PM)
AGESA 1.2.0.0 doesn't seem to make any difference to my Infinity Fabric OC, still limited to 1866Mhzsad.gif
Speaking of which, which batch is your 5900x?
My 5950x batch is 2046 = year 2020 week 46.
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Every time I drop by this ryzen thread sure got some performance haggle issues reported (I havent even drop in OCN even)

It seems that this ryzen zen 3 is only good on paper, and also a straw launch. (not even paper launch, at least RTX 3080 and 3090s comes every 2 weeks or so)
Without a minimum of DDR4 3200 CL14 or DDR4 3600 CL16, I dont know if 5900x can beat i9 10900K. If theres something to learn, its that AMD are shills. And youtubers words cannot pakai wan if you buy a PC to game more than anything else - they run it on High end motherboards, under a controlled setting, maybe also paid reviews some of them.

U are not going to run cinebench, prime 95 all day long, certainly 80% gamers are casual group, also do not overclock like those youtubers do.
U buy the PC to instruct it to game lar. And instruct the CPU, I want you sit at this X Ghz all day long because this is the money I invested on you.
Until now many of u are still running benchmarks to see whether the zen 3 stable ka, temperature ok ka, voltage ok ka. 2 months + already, waiting for AGESA updates (stability stability stability every update is it even a stability update why every time call it stability update)

Finally good luck playing the bsod roulette.

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post Jan 23 2021, 03:40 PM

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QUOTE(Jedi @ Jan 23 2021, 03:23 PM)
Every time I drop by this ryzen thread sure got some performance haggle issues reported (I havent even drop in OCN even)

It seems that this ryzen zen 3 is only good on paper, and also a straw launch. (not even paper launch, at least RTX 3080 and 3090s comes every 2 weeks or so)
Without a minimum of DDR4 3200 CL14 or DDR4 3600 CL16, I dont know if 5900x can beat i9 10900K. If theres something to learn, its that AMD are shills. And youtubers words cannot pakai wan if you buy a PC to game more than anything else - they run it on High end motherboards, under a controlled setting, maybe also paid reviews some of them.

U are not going to run cinebench, prime 95 all day long, certainly 80% gamers are casual group, also do not overclock like those youtubers do.
U buy the PC to instruct it to game lar. And instruct the CPU, I want you sit at this X Ghz all day long because this is the money I invested on you. 
Until now many of u are still running benchmarks to see whether the zen 3 stable ka, temperature ok ka, voltage ok ka. 2 months + already, waiting for AGESA updates (stability stability stability every update is it even a stability update why every time call it stability update)

Finally good luck playing the bsod roulette.
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post Jan 23 2021, 03:55 PM

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depends on how you view things, some of us just like to play around to squeeze more performance out of it.
just like intel, if you OC, you'll definitely run into instability. It's part of the deal.

sometimes, we post here just to see if there's anyone with similar experience so others might share their experience to aid others.

Same goes to intel even in OCN, people share their experience or difficulty and see if there are pros to help them OC better. Bet that's what CST does in OCN to help others too.

Problem is when people see this sort of posts then witch hunt it like some sort of plague.
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post Jan 23 2021, 04:30 PM

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QUOTE(Cold|Drawn @ Jan 23 2021, 03:55 PM)
depends on how you view things, some of us just like to play around to squeeze more performance out of it.
just like intel, if you OC, you'll definitely run into instability. It's part of the deal.

sometimes, we post here just to see if there's anyone with similar experience so others might share their experience to aid others.

Same goes to intel even in OCN, people share their experience or difficulty and see if there are pros to help them OC better. Bet that's what CST does in OCN to help others too.

Problem is when people see this sort of posts then witch hunt it like some sort of plague.
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but problem is we're not talking about OC or tweakers.. Some ryzen chips is giving issues at stock not even overclocked. Sometimes even with ram at 2444mhz despite stating "natively support" 3200mhz. Requires a bunch bios updates, waiting version after version... until by the time when a new proc is released, some of the issues still not entirely solved.
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post Jan 23 2021, 05:32 PM

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You bring all the reported issues to reddit and people both on intel and AMD subs will curse you to hell. Then say what problems? I've been running fine since day 0! Learn to use a computer.

This is why AMD sells.
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QUOTE(Bonchi @ Jan 23 2021, 04:30 PM)
but problem is we're not talking about OC or tweakers.. Some ryzen chips is giving issues at stock not even overclocked. Sometimes even with ram at 2444mhz despite stating "natively support" 3200mhz. Requires a bunch bios updates, waiting version after version... until by the time when a new proc is released, some of the issues still not entirely solved.
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it's ok to state a problem, AMD users would understand tbh. I've had issues as well
and this exact thread encourages people to post their problems too.

but too many somes only tell one thing, bonchi.
Many instances that you pointed out are probably past examples that you pulled off your memory
could have been resolved like ya said with bios? but you still held on to it.

then amplify the issue by trying to chain another instance and stack on to the past.
hmm, I'm just questioning how true are the claims?
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post Jan 23 2021, 06:01 PM

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QUOTE(SSJBen @ Jan 23 2021, 05:32 PM)
You bring all the reported issues to reddit and people both on intel and AMD subs will curse you to hell. Then say what problems? I've been running fine since day 0! Learn to use a computer.

This is why AMD sells.
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that cb place, u post smtg on nvidia thread especially, immediately get downvoted

alot of cibai moderators there too

toxic place la reddit. say abit of things, butthurt level worse than our ktards
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QUOTE(Cold|Drawn @ Jan 23 2021, 05:50 PM)
it's ok to state a problem, AMD users would understand tbh. I've had issues as well
and this exact thread encourages people to post their problems too.

but too many somes only tell one thing, bonchi.
Many instances that you pointed out are probably past examples that you pulled off your memory
could have been resolved like ya said with bios? but you still held on to it.

then amplify the issue by trying to chain another instance and stack on to the past.
hmm, I'm just questioning how true are the claims?
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it’s not past, it’s still happening in fact again just few days ago as you can see in my postings with latest bios. It still crashes occasionally despite already passed more than hundred of hours of stress test. And now the bios support for zen2 has long been stopped looking at the few latest changelogs. We can say AMD is giving zero crap about zen2 already.

For now I took ctskl advice and try tweak the LLC to high and i have PBO disabled all this while too. And im still monitoring to see if it will crash... Which is totally ridiculous because im just running at stock. And it doesnt crash frequently with any known trigger which makes it even more annoying. It can run stable for more than a month then suddenly crash again when youre in the middle of typing something on words or in a game’s mission.

If you think all the claims are false.. Why would I wanna bash and exaggerate on my own hardware which i have spent so much money on. In fact i have swapped every single component of my pc already even the casing and monitor, mouse and keyboard too and still have this problem.

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QUOTE(Cold|Drawn @ Jan 23 2021, 03:55 PM)
depends on how you view things, some of us just like to play around to squeeze more performance out of it.
just like intel, if you OC, you'll definitely run into instability. It's part of the deal.

sometimes, we post here just to see if there's anyone with similar experience so others might share their experience to aid others.

Same goes to intel even in OCN, people share their experience or difficulty and see if there are pros to help them OC better. Bet that's what CST does in OCN to help others too.

Problem is when people see this sort of posts then witch hunt it like some sort of plague.
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intel has nutters also.
if u talk about whea cpu internal paririty error
all act like doesnt happen to them

then u see them posting 1-2 years later saying warzone bsod. they see the error in hwinfo.

reddit, ocn. all same. will not admit its a flaw.
user dude falkentyne that found this issue a inherent flaw on skylake when oced the cache. seems to have happen after all the security patches

i solved it recently with turnaround timings and switching frequency. even i dont dare to say its 100% cause u might get crashes without whea event. alot of ppl been blaming games for crashes..

two games .. thats easy to see this
easiest is ghostrunner with rt enable. on hwinfo and just watch. especially level "climb"
warzone.. crashes.

then ppl go tell Jedi to oc cache. its totally not needed as he has tight turnaround.. cache boost only like 2-3% at this point..

but amd guys in ocn/reddit are fanatics.
ocn i got almost every week rep point deducted warning
reddit just today..
see this
https://www.reddit.com/r/overclocking/comme...utm_name=iossmf

they think its great

rocketlake does 5600 hci stable, 6ghz benching on air. i just leaked that.

all the hate i got was because amd retards.

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post Jan 23 2021, 06:54 PM

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240 AIO is a no go for 5900X laugh.gif - waiting last 2 taobao delivery to start working...
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QUOTE(cstkl1 @ Jan 23 2021, 06:38 PM)
but amd guys in ocn/reddit are fanatics.
ocn i got almost every week rep point deducted warning
reddit just today..
see this
https://www.reddit.com/r/overclocking/comme...utm_name=iossmf

they think its great

rocketlake does 5600 hci stable, 6ghz benching on air. i just leaked that.

all the hate i got was because amd retards.
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TBH 99% of people who post comments like yours usually are fanboys blowing air on their products and actually don't know anyone behind the scenes. If your sources are right, you can link back to that and say "told you so" once the news actually comes out lol.

DDR4-6000 on air sounds great nonetheless. revE or B-die though?

At any rate that poster on 4650G and the RAM LN2 pot shows one huge advantage monolithic has over chiplet design - RAM speeds can go higher on Zen2/3 APUs vs the Zen2/3 7nm + 12nm IO die design. I'm struggling to get my 5800X + Asrock B550 Phantom Gaming ITX + Ballistix 3200C16 dual rank to 3800 in coupled mode. The RAM does 3800 easily when decoupled from IF, I can boot IF on 3800 and pass TM5 anta777 config with my RAM kit on XMP timings too, but can't seem to do both together. Not sure if it's down to CPU, or BIOS at this point.

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QUOTE(Bonchi @ Jan 23 2021, 06:35 PM)
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no worries, I get the frustration when you won't know when WHEA creeps onto you.
My CP2077 gameplay crashed left/right until I was forced to grind so I can end a mission quick before the game crash.
To the extent that I reset bios stock, barebone stock ram, cpu, gpu all stock but then still crashed.
Friend's intel plays the game just fine with no crashes.

ever considered you got a potato chip?
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QUOTE(yimingwuzere @ Jan 23 2021, 06:56 PM)
TBH 99% of people who post comments like yours usually are fanboys blowing air on their products and actually don't know anyone behind the scenes. If your sources are right, you can link back to that and say "told you so" once the news actually comes out lol.

DDR4-6000 on air sounds great nonetheless. revE or B-die though?

At any rate that poster on 4650G and the RAM LN2 pot shows one huge advantage monolithic has over chiplet design - RAM speeds can go higher on Zen2/3 APUs vs the Zen2/3 7nm + 12nm IO die design. I'm struggling to get my 5800X + Asrock B550 Phantom Gaming ITX + Ballistix 3200C16 dual rank to 3800 in coupled mode. The RAM does 3800 easily when decoupled from IF, I can boot IF on 3800 and pass TM5 anta777 config with my RAM kit on XMP timings too, but can't seem to do both together. Not sure if it's down to CPU, or BIOS at this point.
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the whole point of fast ram being beneficial on ryzen is for the coupled mode to increase the IF bandwidth. Without that it’s quite pointless for reaching those ram speeds but sacrificing on the interconnect bandwidth.

If there are other people claiming they can reach those speeds with the same bios then it’s probably down to the cpu/ram/psu already.



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