what CPU you are using currently?

4770k is hasbin aka haswell, not ivy bridge. I too upgraded from hasbin and temps was shocking with Zen 2 as well.

For my use case, the perf upgrade was pretty significant. My previous 4670k was being bottlenecked by a mere 1070ti lmao. The 4 cores were sooooo slow in my handbrake tasks too, especially with the advent of 4k movies couple of years ago.

I also jump from Haswell. i5 4460 to 10900K. No regrets

Maybe next step is the der8auer offset mount for AM4 so the AIO's centerpoint is closer to the CPU die instead of the center of the IHS? Assuming it fits your ITX board of course.

i5 quads to Ryzen will show a far bigger difference than i7 quads upgrading, assuming the i7s were decently clocked (4.4-4.6GHz). HT does make a difference nowadays, even if it didn't for gaming back in 2013.

next step is rocketlake. Had enough messing around with AMD and wouldn't bother investing anymore on this AM4 platform that is bound to be obsolete very soon... along with the Zen2 bugs AMD will never bother to fix.

Already gone through 2x 3600 CPU, 2x motherboards, 3x sets of rams, 3x psu... which I bought mostly new except 1 of the ram and bear all the depreciation costs to sell as used.

Plus it's not worth to spend so much especially on shipment for a signature custom mount just to try cool a 3600 which quite arguably wont make much of a difference on lighter semi idle loads, which is the main problem.... these are all buggy idle/load state issues on the Zen2 which seriously needs fixing as it may cause crashes but everyone seems to be shrugging it off saying it's normal... and AMD just moved on with zen3.

AMD did suggest using their ryzen’s balance powerplan that sets the minimum idle state to 99% may solve the crashing but having the cpu staying at 1.3V and touching 50C temps is not exactly a good solution either.


This post has been edited by Bonchi: Jan 25 2021, 01:23 AM

Agree. Hope Rocket Lake does well too so I have a reason to go back to Intel as well.

Does Rocket Lake need to do well only will go back to Intel?
If you like the brand then it shouldn't matter what's the performance like. If performance what's matter then doesn't matter what brand it is.
If want the performance but doesn't want the brand, I don't think possible.

more like i hope rocketlake is cheap especially the B560 board. Really getting very tight on budget already... but still hoping to get off this platform. Even a 10400F or 10100F on a z490 ITX swap offer i will take without hesitation.

This “AMD experience” has blown my budget. it was originally meant to be a super low budget ITX build under RM4K which ends up literally causing me to buy parts enough to build 2 rigs and sell 1 to solve some issues... costing over RM2K in losses due to depreciation on selling all those used parts... And the random crashing issue is still not solved.

This post has been edited by Bonchi: Jan 25 2021, 02:20 AM

what u wanna know about rkt.
actual benchmarks?
whats the metric??

i can tell u.

Whats wrong with tbis sentence.

Someone butthurt and report me on this sentence. Seriously. What an immature action

typo.
it's no ragrets

Actual benchmark would be nice. i7 vs 5800X

stock cpu mce on
3866c14@1.5v
horizon zero dawn favour performance 212fps @1080p
timespy extreme cpu score 6k+
cb20/23 beats 5800x
cb15 about the same.
fc5, new dawn.. err it beats everything
sottr has a bug.
vermintide 2.. this cpu pushing fps > 10900k@5.3
rkt has no bug on whea etc. no LO, etc etc
it either works or bsod.
only 8x pcie 4.0 16x no meaningful diff.

theres a nea mrc code refresh. so nothing been finalized

This post has been edited by cstkl1: Jan 25 2021, 09:18 AM

What's the real difference between 11700k and 11900k if user manual overclock on Z boards?

vid binning

same thing as 10850k vs 10900k

intel requirement is highest vid is @1.52
so 11700k-52@ 1.52, 11900k-53@1.52
(dont talk about silicon lottery)

why this a problem

i cant go into specifics for rkt but i can give u
cmtlake as example

typical
4.8 -5.1 .. diff between vid is arnd 120mv.
pretty linear almost 40mv each clock 49,50 etc
but for 5.2.. the jump can be 100mv

so u can gauge how bad 10850k are. how stupid anandtech etc article 10850k=10900k. idiots are talking about
10900k 5.1 vid 1.35-1.36 vs 10850k 1.42-1.44v

so same case with rocket lake but more severe.

This post has been edited by cstkl1: Jan 25 2021, 10:14 AM

So it depends on the user if they want to save some bucks on lower 100-200mhz overclocks like that right?

i personally wouldnt bother ocing a 11900k
stock 4.8 equivalent of running 10900k@5.3ghz gaming performance

second for the other part i cant disclose about the vid difference but doubt the noobs of anandtech/gn etc will even notice this since they are so stupid about cmtlake.

This post has been edited by cstkl1: Jan 25 2021, 11:38 AM

Would you be upgrading to the 11900k or sticking with the 10900k? I'm unsure if i want to move to the 11900k if performance is not warranted.

It matters to me.

I'm brand agnostic, I go where value is. When I got into Zen 2, the choice was between 3900x and 9900ks. I was about to purchase 9900ks but there was 2 things that didn't quite sing well with me; the fact that the 9900ks at the time was basically paying for 4 year old tech with Intel's lansi face on it (the i9 quite frankly didn't need to exist, they did so to purposely nerf the 9700k to have no HT) and that the 3900x setup was actually cheaper.

I got the 3900x at 1.8k and CH8 mobo at 1.4k - it was 2019 12.12 sale that tipped me over to AMD.

This post has been edited by SSJBen: Jan 25 2021, 01:38 PM

too early. new mrc code everything changed on ram