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post Jan 25 2017, 04:15 PM, updated 4y ago

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post Jan 25 2017, 04:32 PM

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Price will be the determining factor here. This new Elantra has been released in many other countries at least a year ago and Malaysia still has not gotten it yet.

Hope Hyundai can sell this model below RM85k for the 1.6L and below RM115k for the Turbo version.

If not I believe most buyers will go for the Japanese made like M3 and Civic and kimchi Forte




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QUOTE(sitescope @ Jan 25 2017, 04:15 PM)
Rumours says release in March
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Damn, the days when legit hot hatches had 200HP doesn't even seem that long ago. LOL.
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Looks like a winner. This will be the hottest sedan in C-segment able to tapau the Civic X turbo.

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When comes to kimchi cars, my heart says go while my brain says no.
Usually i folo brain.

damn you brain! why u so alpha!
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post Jan 25 2017, 05:09 PM

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QUOTE(kluseng @ Jan 25 2017, 04:47 PM)
Looks like a winner. This will be the hottest sedan in C-segment able to tapau the Civic X turbo.
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Korek... dislike ketam look at rear civic...
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QUOTE(riezzien @ Jan 25 2017, 04:49 PM)
When comes to kimchi cars, my heart says go while my brain says no.
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damn you brain! why u so alpha!
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brain tumor perhaps... lolzzz
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post Jan 25 2017, 05:11 PM

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QUOTE(riezzien @ Jan 25 2017, 05:49 PM)
When comes to kimchi cars, my heart says go while my brain says no.
Usually i folo brain.

damn you brain! why u so alpha!
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cos ur brain still lives in the 80's that's y
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post Jan 25 2017, 05:13 PM

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post Jan 25 2017, 05:20 PM

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200hp? Damn.
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post Jan 25 2017, 05:25 PM

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aiyo ,malaysian wont buy it no matter how goods is it
most malaysian definity go for kosong altis if both in same price range
stubborn malaysian ! lol
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post Jan 25 2017, 05:26 PM

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post Jan 25 2017, 05:48 PM

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hmm 200hp.... i wana see how well this fairs here
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post Jan 25 2017, 06:46 PM

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Sounds promising but I still don't like the design and still doubtful of the reliability. laugh.gif
Will this be on CVT also?
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QUOTE(6UE5T @ Jan 25 2017, 06:46 PM)
Sounds promising but I still don't like the design and still doubtful of the reliability. laugh.gif
Will this be on CVT also?
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It will be on 7 speed DCT. CVT is for the puny and sissy Civic turbo.
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post Jan 25 2017, 06:53 PM

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200HP and 265 Nm of torque? I want one! Shut up and take my money!
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QUOTE(riezzien @ Jan 25 2017, 04:49 PM)
When comes to kimchi cars, my heart says go while my brain says no.
Usually i folo brain.

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Terbalik la it's your brain said go heart said no... That explains the stigma associated with kimchi cars
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QUOTE(riezzien @ Jan 25 2017, 04:49 PM)
When comes to kimchi cars, my heart says go while my brain says no.
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damn you brain! why u so alpha!
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Terbalik la it's your brain said go heart said no... That explains the stigma associated with kimchi cars
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post Jan 25 2017, 08:27 PM

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Let me preface this by saying I'm not a Kimchi hater (yes, it is necessary because this is LYN and this tered smells like something from /k). I actually like some of them, and considers the Ioniq to be a great bargain.

Anyway, Kimchi engines usually have higher, more impressive figures than their similiarly displaced peers, for example the Cerato's 1.6NA has 130hp while the Rio's 1.4l NA has 109hp. But the real world performance leaves alot to be desired.

Let's just say I personally take their official figures with a pinch of salt, no matter how impressive they are.

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post Jan 25 2017, 08:38 PM

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I m more to ioniq. Everytime pass hyundai showroom will definitely stalk that car. Ehat impress me is autonomous braking.. Any othercar with less rm 150k have same safety spec as ioniq?
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QUOTE(protonstradale @ Jan 25 2017, 08:38 PM)
I m more to ioniq. Everytime pass hyundai showroom will definitely stalk that car. Ehat impress me is autonomous braking.. Any othercar with less rm 150k have same safety spec as ioniq?
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post Jan 25 2017, 10:17 PM

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Many good reviews of this car
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post Jan 26 2017, 08:08 AM

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QUOTE(dares @ Jan 25 2017, 08:27 PM)
Let me preface this by saying I'm not a Kimchi hater (yes, it is necessary because this is LYN and this tered smells like something from /k). I actually like some of them, and considers the Ioniq to be a great bargain.

Anyway, Kimchi engines usually have higher, more impressive figures than their similiarly displaced peers, for example the Cerato's 1.6NA has 130hp while the Rio's 1.4l NA has 109hp. But the real world performance leaves alot to be desired.

Let's just say I personally take their official figures with a pinch of salt, no matter how impressive they are.
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I don't think they cheat on their figures as HP and torque can easily be checked by dyno. It could be that the cars you mentioned have gearing which are tuned for economy so they won't feel powerful. It's like the ioniq on econ mode or sports mode makes a lot of difference but those cars may be permanently in semi-econ mode. For the Elantra Sport which is intended for power the gearing should be arranged for spirited driving. Using DCT is a reflection of that intent. Anyway the real proof is in test driving the actual car.
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QUOTE(Ginny88 @ Jan 26 2017, 08:08 AM)
I don't think they cheat on their figures as HP and torque can easily be checked by dyno. It could be that the cars you mentioned have gearing which are tuned for economy so they won't feel powerful. It's like the ioniq on econ mode or sports mode makes a lot of difference but those cars may be permanently in semi-econ mode. For the Elantra Sport which is intended for power the gearing should be arranged for spirited driving. Using DCT is a reflection of that intent. Anyway the real proof is in test driving the actual car.
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But is there a SA that allow us to test drive at 200kmh in hway to feel the true 200hp ?

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QUOTE(Ginny88 @ Jan 26 2017, 08:08 AM)
I don't think they cheat on their figures as HP and torque can easily be checked by dyno. It could be that the cars you mentioned have gearing which are tuned for economy so they won't feel powerful. It's like the ioniq on econ mode or sports mode makes a lot of difference but those cars may be permanently in semi-econ mode. For the Elantra Sport which is intended for power the gearing should be arranged for spirited driving. Using DCT is a reflection of that intent. Anyway the real proof is in test driving the actual car.
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It's probably measured on crank rather than on wheel. However I do think it's better to buy Kia than Hyundai, because Hyundai more towards comfort.
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Have to try actual unit then comment. Ioniq seems perfect in reviews and YouTube until you start playing with the locally customised super low-res HU.
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QUOTE(andrekua2 @ Jan 26 2017, 09:32 AM)
It's probably measured on crank rather than on wheel. However I do think it's better to buy Kia than Hyundai, because Hyundai more towards comfort.
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All manufacturers measure power and torque on crank and not on wheel. On wheel measurement is what tuners do.
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QUOTE(dstl1128 @ Jan 26 2017, 09:40 AM)
Have to try actual unit then comment. Ioniq seems perfect in reviews and YouTube until you start playing with the locally customised super low-res HU.
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HU is the last part to worry...
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QUOTE(Ginny88 @ Jan 26 2017, 08:08 AM)
I don't think they cheat on their figures as HP and torque can easily be checked by dyno. It could be that the cars you mentioned have gearing which are tuned for economy so they won't feel powerful. It's like the ioniq on econ mode or sports mode makes a lot of difference but those cars may be permanently in semi-econ mode. For the Elantra Sport which is intended for power the gearing should be arranged for spirited driving. Using DCT is a reflection of that intent. Anyway the real proof is in test driving the actual car.
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I don't disagree, Looking forward to test drive.
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QUOTE(sitescope @ Jan 26 2017, 08:29 AM)
But is there a SA that allow us to test drive at 200kmh in hway to feel the true 200hp ?
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Bro, the 200HP is not intended for you to drive at 200km/h on the highway. The HP/torque is for good acceleration.
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My last Kimchi car.... buy time same price as Toyota... in same segment...

Sell time.. toyota value around 25~30k, my car 6k...

Yay,.....
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Who is Sebastian?
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This car is elegant, a lot of touches has been added for this sports model, asian audi.
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Is it the guy that say Korea car maker will not survive if they dont hire him as Sale marketing?

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Is it the guy that say Korea car maker will not survive if they dont hire him as Sale marketing?
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Anyone got further info on this Elantra Turbo and the est pricing?

There's review all over the net stated it's more satisfying to drive than the new Civic turbo due to much powerful engine and DCT and steering feedback is better and much more communicative.

Surprisingly it rides firmer and less body roll than the new civic! Based on all that, it trumps the civic in performance dept... and the 0-100 is quicker than civic too in real life test!

Hope it reached here it will price less than 120k and ppl will jump ship from getting civic to Hyundai camp flex.gif





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Is it the guy that say Korea car maker will not survive if they dont hire him as Sale marketing?
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QUOTE(dman @ Feb 20 2017, 09:35 AM)
Anyone got further info on this Elantra Turbo and the est pricing?

There's review all over the net stated it's more satisfying to drive than the new Civic turbo due to much powerful engine and DCT and steering feedback is better and much more communicative.

Surprisingly it rides firmer and less body roll than the new civic! Based on all that, it trumps the civic in performance dept... and the 0-100 is quicker than civic too in real life test!

Hope it reached here it will price less than 120k and ppl will jump ship from getting civic to Hyundai camp  flex.gif
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I've also read good reviews about the Elantra Sport. No surprise that it trumps the Civic in power as the Civic turbo is only lightly boosted for economy and it is couple with a CVT transmission for a sedate drive.

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Very much interested in the elantra turbo, been waiting for ages, only now start to have more concrete news of it coming to our shores. This car was 1st in my list but too bad it took too long, I've already got a different car now. In any case, will definitely test drive this pocket rocket biggrin.gif

Not to mention the Kia Stinger 2 years down the road. That one would be awesome, beats the heck out of BMW/Audi/Mercedes on the external aesthetics.
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QUOTE(protonstradale @ Jan 25 2017, 08:38 PM)
I m more to ioniq. Everytime pass hyundai showroom will definitely stalk that car. Ehat impress me is autonomous braking.. Any othercar with less rm 150k have same safety spec as ioniq?
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Someone revealed ma, cant remember who lol  biggrin.gif
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Seldom lurk in FF thread anymore ever since Sebastian is gone. Ayam sadding. Btw, when is the new elantra launching? I'm interested to see real car
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QUOTE(coldfission @ Feb 20 2017, 07:45 PM)
Seldom lurk in FF thread anymore ever since Sebastian is gone. Ayam sadding. Btw, when is the new elantra launching? I'm interested to see real car
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Rumours said end march
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QUOTE(sitescope @ Jan 26 2017, 10:37 AM)
HU is the last part to worry...
Got lot of other optins :-
- mp3 with usb
- spotify with hp
- music freedom with digi
- radio malaysia
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I use CD/DVD. Not using digi. Not using spotify. tl;dr; My phone don't act as music player.
The only part that is usable is FM.
Why can't they use the HU like those in Sienta for example.

In the end, Korean makes rely on:
- SC / spare parts 'reputation' (so far they are still negative)
- cut cost on HU and other parts to stay under Jap price - which end up is not effectively cheaper than Jap rivals.


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QUOTE(dstl1128 @ Feb 21 2017, 08:41 AM)
I use CD/DVD. Not using digi. Not using spotify. tl;dr; My phone don't act as music player.
The only part that is usable is FM.
Why can't they use the HU like those in Sienta for example.

In the end, Korean makes rely on:
- SC / spare parts 'reputation' (so far they are still negative)
- cut cost on HU and other parts to stay under Jap price - which end up is not effectively cheaper than Jap rivals.
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Wow u must so becareful person.
Not easy to bring lot of cd n take care frm scratch.
Anyway dunno where u stay but in segambut, any korean parts u named it, is sell there
Cut cost HU is better compare cut cost other thing like lane assist, auto brake, smart cruise, etc etc

I prefer aftermarket HU like nakamichi or sony which are more powderful
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QUOTE(sitescope @ Feb 21 2017, 10:25 AM)
Wow u must so becareful person.
Not easy to bring lot of cd n take care frm scratch.
Anyway dunno where u stay but in segambut, any korean parts u named it, is sell there
Cut cost HU is better compare cut cost other thing like lane assist, auto brake, smart cruise, etc etc

I prefer aftermarket HU like nakamichi or sony which are more powderful
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Usually I use CDR or DVDR on those while originals stay at home.
You are right it is worse if they cut cost on those. But still at the very end, it is not really cheaper than Jap rivals.
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Is it the guy that say Korea car maker will not survive if they dont hire him as Sale marketing?
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QUOTE(dstl1128 @ Feb 21 2017, 08:41 AM)
I use CD/DVD. Not using digi. Not using spotify. tl;dr; My phone don't act as music player.
The only part that is usable is FM.
Why can't they use the HU like those in Sienta for example.

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You can rip your CDs to MP3 using bitrate of 256kbps and you'll be pretty hard pressed to tell the difference with your CDs. Even if your ears are good enough your system may not be good enough to play out the difference.

Handling physical CDs or CDRs is so old school. How many discs can you bring along? Changing CDs on the go is a problem. There is nothing like having your whole collection on one thumb drive.

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Hi laurateoh, can you tell us when the Elantra Sport is coming?

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QUOTE(victorr @ Feb 21 2017, 11:28 AM)
Top marketing/strategist in Malaysia's automotive industry. The fate and trend of the whole market in Malaysia fully depend on his wise direction.

Looking forward to test drive this car but looking forward even more to the Master strategist's opinion
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He will suddenly appear when the Kia Stinger arrives. He will boast saying that it was a secret project that he proposed but shelved due to whatever reason by the higher management. He'll complain that they steal his ideas after and resurrect it after kicking him out, and all those yada yada yada....

Just imagining what he will say tongue.gif

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Hi laurateoh, can you tell us when the Elantra Sport is coming?
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Maybe master strategist silenced her kot tongue.gif
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QUOTE(Ginny88 @ Feb 21 2017, 01:20 PM)
You can rip your CDs to MP3 using bitrate of 256kbps and you'll be pretty hard pressed to tell the difference with your CDs. Even if your ears are good enough your system may not be good enough to play out the difference.

Handling physical CDs or CDRs is so old school. How many discs can you bring along? Changing CDs on the go is a problem. There is nothing like having your whole collection on one thumb drive.
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Audio CD last about an hour; data CD with MP3 last way more. But nothing to do with ripping. I just have many CD medias that I randomly want to listen. And ripping all of them into USB which end up contains thousands of folders of MP3 are pain in the ass to choose from with any in-car HU. I have many CD pouches. I just brought the one I want and put into the car and insert the disc I want. Heck even MP3s in a CD many HU already not intuitive enough for selecting.

If I'm on a desktop file manager, then I have no problem selecting with tens of thousands of MP3s; definitely not with an in-car HU, albeit a low-res one with roughly 7 +/- text rows.
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QUOTE(dstl1128 @ Feb 22 2017, 02:49 PM)
Audio CD last about an hour; data CD with MP3 last way more. But nothing to do with ripping. I just have many CD medias that I randomly want to listen. And ripping all of them into USB which end up contains thousands of folders of MP3 are pain in the ass to choose from with any in-car HU. I have many CD pouches. I just brought the one I want and put into the car and insert the disc I want. Heck even MP3s in a CD many HU already not intuitive enough for selecting.

If I'm on a desktop file manager, then I have no problem selecting with tens of thousands of MP3s; definitely not with an in-car HU, albeit a low-res one with roughly 7 +/- text rows.
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I feel your pain..

Unfortunately, de trend is such as we advance [in the automotive line anyway] in time , de trend is downloaded music in either your phone or in a storage [like thumbdrive ]..

My ol ol civic uses cassette, 2012 Jazz got Cdp.. n now civic 10th gen -2016 - 2 inputs for thumbdrive..
Go figure..

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But for this Elantra Turbo, if they also have manual options... will be superb.
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QUOTE(kluseng @ Feb 21 2017, 02:50 PM)
Hi laurateoh, can you tell us when the Elantra Sport is coming?
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i heard April... will only have a better estimate when they call us for training and test drive biggrin.gif

this week we testing Tucson Turbo brows.gif
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QUOTE(dstl1128 @ Feb 22 2017, 03:35 PM)
But for this Elantra Turbo, if they also have manual options... will be superb.
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There IS a manual option but whether they bring in here is unknown. Due to the small market for manuals here sometimes distributors don't bring them in.
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QUOTE(laurateoh @ Feb 23 2017, 04:23 PM)
sorry sorry. LYN didnt notify me of your tagging.

i heard April... will only have a better estimate when they call us for training and test drive  biggrin.gif

this week we testing Tucson Turbo  brows.gif
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Hi Laura,

Is this Tucson, running with the seven speed DCT?

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The new avante/Elantra has been sold in other countries since 2015.

By the time it arrives here the new gen would have surfaced already

Lousy Hyundai these days on their new models. Hardly see a new sonata and Tucson otr

Price is way too high. People will continue to go for Honda, Mazda and other Japanese brands



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QUOTE(JimmyChan77 @ Feb 23 2017, 06:55 PM)
Hi Laura,

Is this Tucson, running with the seven speed DCT?
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got 2 variants for turbo rclxm9.gif

1.6 turbo petrol
177hp/5500rpm
265Nm/1500-4500rpm
0-100kmh 9.1 secs
7 speed dct with sport mode

2.0 turbo diesel
178hp/4000rpm
400Nm/1750-2750rpm
0-100kmh 9.3 secs
6 speed auto with sport mode

another variant will be the 2.0 petrol Premium 4wd

interested?
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QUOTE(jacobngen87 @ Feb 23 2017, 07:19 PM)
The new avante/Elantra has been sold in other countries since 2015.

By the time it arrives here the new gen would have surfaced already

Lousy Hyundai these days on their new models. Hardly see a new sonata and Tucson otr

Price is way too high. People will continue to go for Honda, Mazda and other Japanese brands
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sorry, but i think u may have your info a little bit wrong.

1. yes, the car was launched in 2015 but was only available in 2016 in normal NA engine.

2. we will be bringing the Elantra Sport 1.6 Turbo, which is new for 2017

3. The new Hyundai Ioniq is RM117,428.55 OTR with 3 years free sv, free GAP insurance AND comes with
*Smart Cruise Control
*Autonomous Emergency Braking
*Lane Keeping Assist System
*Lane Departure Warning System
*Blind Spot Detection
*Rear Cross Traffic Alert
*Tyre Pressure Monitoring System
*7 Airbags
*Wireless Phone Charging
*141ps/265Nm
>> please tell me which other car can give you all these for 117k

4. sales for Honda, Mazda and other Japanese brands have suffered because Hyundai is picking up. it's not a bad thing actually, because buyers now can get better discount on those cars.

5. and if u happen to want to condemn our RV, let me info u first. take a look in mudah. our elantra asking prices are not too far from Japs (evidence attached)

Pakcik Google is very helpful if you want more information. you can ask me too.

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QUOTE(laurateoh @ Mar 2 2017, 04:30 PM)
sorry, but i think u may have your info a little bit wrong.

1. yes, the car was launched in 2015 but was only available in 2016 in normal NA engine.

2. we will be bringing the Elantra Sport 1.6 Turbo, which is new for 2017

3. The new Hyundai Ioniq is RM117,428.55 OTR with 3 years free sv, free GAP insurance AND comes with
*Smart Cruise Control
*Autonomous Emergency Braking
*Lane Keeping Assist System
*Lane Departure Warning System
*Blind Spot Detection
*Rear Cross Traffic Alert
*Tyre Pressure Monitoring System
*7 Airbags
*Wireless Phone Charging
*141ps/265Nm
>> please tell me which other car can give you all these for 117k

4. sales for Honda, Mazda and other Japanese brands have suffered because Hyundai is picking up. it's not a bad thing actually, because buyers now can get better discount on those cars.

5. and if u happen to want to condemn our RV, let me info u first. take a look in mudah. our elantra asking prices are not too far from Japs (evidence attached)

Pakcik Google is very helpful if you want more information. you can ask me too.

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Thanks for the info smile.gif
Seems ionic is value buy for c segment
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Hmmmm interesting comment


So far I haven't seen an Ioniq on the road

However Civic and Altis are flooding the road

Hyundai sell how many cars on Jan and Feb versus Toyota and Honda? Specially on the ioniq? Will be interesting to see what are the actual sales figure model per model. Maybe you can enlighten us on this?

Has their sales really suffer according to laurateoh?






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QUOTE(jacobngen87 @ Mar 3 2017, 08:09 AM)
Hmmmm interesting comment
So far I haven't seen an Ioniq on the road

However Civic and Altis are flooding the road

Hyundai sell how many cars on Jan and Feb versus Toyota and Honda? Specially on the ioniq? Will be interesting to see what are the actual sales figure model per model. Maybe you can enlighten us on this?

Has their sales really suffer according to laurateoh?
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I work for Hyundai Glenmarie. My next door neighbor is one of the highest selling Honda showroom. We know their sales has dropped.

Honda and Toyota have been in Malaysia for several decades. Hyundai 1.

We may not have their numbers now, but it's OK.

With time, you'll see more.

Ioniq is superb.
Elantra Sport Turbo AD and Tucson Turbo coming.
Just Google and watch the video reviews.

Just don't knock it if u haven't been in a new Peter Schreyer built unit lately.

You will be surprised. We are not lousy. Tq.



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Seems ionic is  value buy for c segment
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QUOTE(laurateoh @ Mar 3 2017, 08:41 AM)
I work for Hyundai Glenmarie. My next door neighbor is one of the highest selling Honda showroom. We know their sales has dropped.

Honda and Toyota have been in Malaysia for several decades. Hyundai 1.

We may not have their numbers now, but it's OK.

With time, you'll see more.

Ioniq is superb.
Elantra Sport Turbo AD and Tucson Turbo coming.
Just Google and watch the video reviews.

Just don't knock it if u haven't been in a new Peter Schreyer built unit lately.

You will be surprised. We are not lousy. Tq.
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When are you bringing in the new i10, i20, i20 active, i30 and the new accent?

Hyundai has at least 6-7 models not seen here





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QUOTE(laurateoh @ Mar 2 2017, 04:07 PM)
2.0 turbo diesel
178hp/4000rpm
400Nm/1750-2750rpm
0-100kmh 9.3 secs
6 speed auto with sport mode

another variant will be the 2.0 petrol Premium 4wd

interested?
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Turbo diesel! Could be a worthy successor to my trusty Ford Focus TDCi..... time will tell.
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QUOTE(jacobngen87 @ Mar 3 2017, 09:50 AM)
When are you bringing in the new i10, i20, i20 active, i30 and the new accent?

Hyundai has at least 6-7 models not seen here
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Malaysia is not a hatchback type of market, and those that really want those only fix their eyes on Myvi because of the price, practicality and robustness, not because it is a hatchback. As our market is small, and being a sedan market, it would not make any financial sense to bring in the models you said. It might even canibalise sales from other models.

i10 is quite a niche, cost more than Myvi but smaller, not an easy pill for consumers to swallow.

i20 is possible, something like the Kia Rio, but still can't beat Myvi for the value for money when newly purchase. Again, this is a hatchback, and new Myvi is on the horizon, not easy competition to beat. There is no doubt that the brand perception still plays a part although i have no issues with the koreans as my family owned one.

i30, similar to elantra, just in hatchback form, very low demand, just like the mazda 3 hatchback.

The only possible model that makes sense is the accent. A good competitor to the Vios/City/Almera market. But with the MYR sliding, won't be price competitive against the Japanese counterparts who have larger scale and more established local assembly operations.



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QUOTE(laurateoh @ Mar 2 2017, 04:30 PM)
sorry, but i think u may have your info a little bit wrong.

1. yes, the car was launched in 2015 but was only available in 2016 in normal NA engine.

2. we will be bringing the Elantra Sport 1.6 Turbo, which is new for 2017

3. The new Hyundai Ioniq is RM117,428.55 OTR with 3 years free sv, free GAP insurance AND comes with
*Smart Cruise Control
*Autonomous Emergency Braking
*Lane Keeping Assist System
*Lane Departure Warning System
*Blind Spot Detection
*Rear Cross Traffic Alert
*Tyre Pressure Monitoring System
*7 Airbags
*Wireless Phone Charging
*141ps/265Nm
>> please tell me which other car can give you all these for 117k

4. sales for Honda, Mazda and other Japanese brands have suffered because Hyundai is picking up. it's not a bad thing actually, because buyers now can get better discount on those cars.

5. and if u happen to want to condemn our RV, let me info u first. take a look in mudah. our elantra asking prices are not too far from Japs (evidence attached)

Pakcik Google is very helpful if you want more information. you can ask me too.

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I dont know bout mazda, but honda in fact recorded better sales..check this out

p a u l tan.org/2017/03/02/honda-malaysia-hits-19-2-market-share-in-jan-2017-highest-among-global-operations-16287-units-ytd/

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QUOTE(laurateoh @ Mar 3 2017, 08:41 AM)
I work for Hyundai Glenmarie. My next door neighbor is one of the highest selling Honda showroom. We know their sales has dropped.

Honda and Toyota have been in Malaysia for several decades. Hyundai 1.

We may not have their numbers now, but it's OK.

With time, you'll see more.

Ioniq is superb.
Elantra Sport Turbo AD and Tucson Turbo coming.
Just Google and watch the video reviews.

Just don't knock it if u haven't been in a new Peter Schreyer built unit lately.

You will be surprised. We are not lousy. Tq.
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Bring elantra turbo with rm99k price tauuu
Will kill all C segment in msia

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QUOTE(wkc5657 @ Mar 3 2017, 10:30 AM)
Malaysia is not a hatchback type of market, and those that really want those only fix their eyes on Myvi because of the price, practicality and robustness, not because it is a hatchback. As our market is small, and being a sedan market, it would not make any financial sense to bring in the models you said. It might even canibalise sales from other models.

i10 is quite a niche, cost more than Myvi but smaller, not an easy pill for consumers to swallow.

i20 is possible, something like the Kia Rio, but still can't beat Myvi for the value for money when newly purchase. Again, this is a hatchback, and new Myvi is on the horizon, not easy competition to beat. There is no doubt that the brand perception still plays a part although i have no issues with the koreans as my family owned one.

i30, similar to elantra, just in hatchback form, very low demand, just like the mazda 3 hatchback.

The only possible model that makes sense is the accent. A good competitor to the Vios/City/Almera market. But with the MYR sliding, won't be price competitive against the Japanese counterparts who have larger scale and more established local assembly operations.
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finally a make sense answer appear..... biggrin.gif biggrin.gif not every model bring in is sale able.... even the hottest jazz also not contributing much to honda sales also....
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QUOTE(laurateoh @ Mar 3 2017, 08:41 AM)
I work for Hyundai Glenmarie. My next door neighbor is one of the highest selling Honda showroom. We know their sales has dropped.

Honda and Toyota have been in Malaysia for several decades. Hyundai 1.

We may not have their numbers now, but it's OK.

With time, you'll see more.

Ioniq is superb.
Elantra Sport Turbo AD and Tucson Turbo coming.
Just Google and watch the video reviews.

Just don't knock it if u haven't been in a new Peter Schreyer built unit lately.

You will be surprised. We are not lousy. Tq.
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When will the Elantra Turbo available for test drive?

If its good then my family might wanna get one
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QUOTE(wkc5657 @ Mar 3 2017, 10:30 AM)
Malaysia is not a hatchback type of market, and those that really want those only fix their eyes on Myvi because of the price, practicality and robustness, not because it is a hatchback. As our market is small, and being a sedan market, it would not make any financial sense to bring in the models you said. It might even canibalise sales from other models.

i20 is possible, something like the Kia Rio, but still can't beat Myvi for the value for money when newly purchase. Again, this is a hatchback, and new Myvi is on the horizon, not easy competition to beat. There is no doubt that the brand perception still plays a part although i have no issues with the koreans as my family owned one.
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Put i20, rio same price with myvi then we all sure know which will make sale higher

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Hyundai sales in US is climbing rapidly. Honda & Toyota is dropping in US. It will affect MY market but how soon? Malaysia mentality surely slower than US.

Main question, is hyundai cars better than honda/toyota compare segment by segment? Give facts
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QUOTE(sitescope @ Mar 3 2017, 11:03 AM)
Bring elantra turbo with rm99k price tauuu
Will kill all C segment in msia
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Not possible with MYR this low, during Badawi time RM3+/USD, maybe possible. If can price at RM115k - 125k, it is consider a good deal to consider. I wanted this car so much, but it just won't arrive. My so called "new ride" is at it's 2nd year and the Elantra belum sampai lagi laugh.gif

QUOTE(aaron1717 @ Mar 3 2017, 11:30 AM)
finally a make sense answer appear.....  biggrin.gif  biggrin.gif not every model bring in is sale able.... even the hottest jazz also not contributing much to honda sales also....
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Appreciate the compliments, malaysia's market is just too small. It is hard to be a volume chaser when there are so many established brands together with the foreign brad adverse policies...

QUOTE(sitescope @ Mar 3 2017, 12:40 PM)
Put i20, rio same price with myvi then we all sure know which will make sale higher

* even i know it'll nvr happen in bolehland
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Can help some but not totally flip the Myvi, remember that the brand perception of Korean brand among Malaysians are still stuck at old times. Besides, the Rio is considered more premium compared to the Myvi which is built to cost, not much niceties like what the Koreans may offer.

The best way in my opinion is to not fight Myvi, but consider what current Myvi owners may aspire to. My take will the the Kia soul and sell slightly below or similar to Vios/City pricing. Since these previous Myvi owners won't feel strange to a hatchback, together with the current market trend of smaller sized SUV/CUV (similar to HRV or CX3), they will see that the Kia Soul as a viable upgrade alternative with better interior and also more interesting styling without being over polarising. The turbo version can be priced around or slightly lower than HRV pricing to "insult" Honda tongue.gif

This is what i mean : http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2016/11/t...osting-the-box/

(See, so much more interesting, and very fitting to the name, the car really has soul!! If i'm a Myvi owner, won't regret ditching the Myvi for this awesome soulful car) thumbup.gif

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QUOTE(jacobngen87 @ Mar 3 2017, 08:09 AM)
Hmmmm interesting comment
So far I haven't seen an Ioniq on the road

However Civic and Altis are flooding the road

Hyundai sell how many cars on Jan and Feb versus Toyota and Honda? Specially on the ioniq? Will be interesting to see what are the actual sales figure model per model. Maybe you can enlighten us on this?

Has their sales really suffer according to laurateoh?
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People are more careful in buying cars nowadays especially with our current economic. Most would go for the safest future proof like Honda and Toyota. Unless korean cars could strengthen its base in gaining owners' trust, otherwise it won't sell in huge numbers.

I went to honda with relative to check on BRV last month, the service centre was packed with people, so was the showroom. Passed by hyundai, the SC has few people while showroom empty. Sad to see that. Hyundai really needs to hire good strategists to get them back on track. The few members I knew who applied were rejected. 1 of them ended joining Japanese brand.

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QUOTE(jayraptor @ Mar 5 2017, 09:42 PM)
People are more careful in buying cars nowadays especially with our current economic. Most would go for the safest future proof like Honda and Toyota. Unless korean cars could strengthen its base in gaining owners' trust, otherwise it won't sell in huge numbers.

I went to honda with relative to check on BRV last month, the service centre was packed with people, so was the showroom. Passed by hyundai, the SC has few people while showroom empty. Sad to see that. Hyundai really needs to hire good strategists to get them back on track. The few members I knew who applied were rejected. 1 of them ended joining Japanese brand.
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QUOTE(jayraptor @ Mar 5 2017, 09:42 PM)
People are more careful in buying cars nowadays especially with our current economic. Most would go for the safest future proof like Honda and Toyota. Unless korean cars could strengthen its base in gaining owners' trust, otherwise it won't sell in huge numbers.

I went to honda with relative to check on BRV last month, the service centre was packed with people, so was the showroom. Passed by hyundai, the SC has few people while showroom empty. Sad to see that. Hyundai really needs to hire good strategists to get them back on track. The few members I knew who applied were rejected. 1 of them ended joining Japanese brand.
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Honda does everything right

They give great design, good package with a good price. Ppl wan the best value for money

When Elantra and Forte was launched back in 2011-2013 they sell for only around RM76k, similarly priced with the city and vios

Ppl can buy a better looking and c segment forte and Elantra. Elantra and forte sales skyrocketed. You see forte and Elantra everywhere

But now you hardly see a new Hyundai and Kia these days except the forte since it's still "competitively" priced but at a higher price point

But Hyundai? None seen.... Their new models are as rare as a Suprima S. If Tucson is priced competitively or slightly below the HRV and their Elantra in the city V / Vento price point, introduce a few more models like the Creta, i20 and new accent and sell below the city and Vios price point, Hyundai can be a formidable alternative to the H and T like you seen in many other countries

Hyundai and Kia have been known to undercut their rivals in other countries but they are not doing it here








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QUOTE(jacobngen87 @ Mar 6 2017, 07:53 AM)
Honda does everything right

They give great design, good package with a good price. Ppl wan the best value for money

When Elantra and Forte was launched back in 2011-2013 they sell for only around RM76k, similarly priced with the city and vios

Ppl can buy a better looking and c segment forte and Elantra. Elantra and forte sales skyrocketed. You see forte and Elantra everywhere

But now you hardly see a new Hyundai and Kia these days except the forte since it's still "competitively" priced but at a higher price point

But Hyundai? None seen.... Their new models are as rare as a Suprima S. If Tucson is priced competitively or slightly below the HRV and their Elantra in the city V / Vento price point, introduce a few more models like the Creta, i20 and new accent and sell below the city and Vios price point, Hyundai can be a formidable alternative to the H and T like you seen in many other countries

Hyundai and Kia have been known to undercut their rivals in other countries but they are not doing it here
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Korek n i still dun see why the kenot learn frn that
Still wanna put high price

Learn frm airasia on how to place the price
Better cheap but many people buy rather than exp but no one wanna buy
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QUOTE(riezzien @ Jan 25 2017, 04:49 PM)
When comes to kimchi cars, my heart says go while my brain says no.
Usually i folo brain.

damn you brain! why u so alpha!
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QUOTE(ifourtos @ Mar 6 2017, 08:13 AM)
Stupid  brain u got
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No wonder people always said love is blind
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If love folo brain, lot of people dun frust when clash
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When will the Elantra Turbo available for test drive?

If its good then my family might wanna get one
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launching in April
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Stupid  brain u got
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its ok bro u can choose korean marque if it suits your wallet, im happy with my german marque smile.gif

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launching in April
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its ok bro u can choose korean marque if it suits your wallet, im happy with my german marque smile.gif
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Thats why i say u stupid

When one would considering koreans
Means that within his budget range

If u aim at 300k above
Where got korean models??????

Thats y i say u got a xxxpid brain
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1. Many people buy korean cars (as much as Honda/Toyota) -> Consumers get improved resale value
2. Shops stock up on spare parts -> Consumers get better availability and prices
3. Consumers get to drive more equipped cars (at the same price with Japanese cars) without constant worries

Above would happen if Korean cars are proven to be reliable over the years, record average to good fuel consumption, are as powerful as the numbers stated in the brochure, and Malaysian mentality has changed (that is, Malaysians can finally put their trust in Korean cars). For now, people buy them purely for their looks and fancy tech (maybe functionality too).
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QUOTE(FlamingFox @ Mar 6 2017, 02:02 PM)
1. Many people buy korean cars (as much as Honda/Toyota) -> Consumers get improved resale value
2. Shops stock up on spare parts -> Consumers get better availability and prices
3. Consumers get to drive more equipped cars (at the same price with Japanese cars) without constant worries

Above would happen if Korean cars are proven to be reliable over the years, record average to good fuel consumption, are as powerful as the numbers stated in the brochure, and Malaysian mentality has changed (that is, Malaysians can finally put their trust in Korean cars). For now, people buy them purely for their looks and fancy tech (maybe functionality too).
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Now people buy for RV even the looks n tech are there
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Now people buy for RV even the looks n tech are there
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I mean people buy korean cars for the looks and tech, not for the RV
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QUOTE(FlamingFox @ Mar 6 2017, 07:12 PM)
I mean people buy korean cars for the looks and tech, not for the RV
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Ppl who appreciate tech and looks definitely will go for korean car provided it really packs with lotsa tech and gadget.

Previously the Forte is the example of it... it packs with 6 speed gb, reverse cam, 17in rim, Touchscreen HU etc with C segment space with B segment price!

It beat the hell of the honda city (previous gen) in term of value for money. I was once very very tempted to get it before the new gen city were out tongue.gif




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QUOTE(ifourtos @ Mar 6 2017, 01:56 PM)
Thats why i say u stupid

When one would considering koreans
Means that within his budget range

If u aim at 300k above
Where got korean models??????

Thats y i say u got a xxxpid brain
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wowowoooo calm ur tits angry kid.
hyundai genesis sold in malaysia for 388k.
but its ok if u dont know. cant expect much from angry kid.
try play angry bird kid, it could calm u down
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Ppl who appreciate tech and looks definitely will go for korean car provided it really packs with lotsa tech and gadget.

Previously the Forte is the example of it... it packs with 6 speed gb, reverse cam, 17in rim, Touchscreen HU etc with C segment space with B segment price!

It beat the hell of the honda city (previous gen) in term of value for money. I was once very very tempted to get it before the new gen city were out tongue.gif
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Lucky i didn't buy that city
In 2010 no car close to 2.0 forte spec with rm95k price tag

Wish this elantra will price at rm99k for high spec, not empty one
Otherwise hyundai is digging their own grave

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QUOTE(epo @ Mar 6 2017, 08:08 PM)
Lucky i didn't buy that city
In 2010 no car close to 2.0 forte spec with rm95k price tag

Wish this elantra will price at rm99k for high spec, not empty one
Otherwise hyundai is digging their own grave
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When you're spending 100k on a car, you wanna go for the best in class. Civic and Altis are the best in class to beat. You can say that civic is the king of c segment. Would you rather spend 100k on the best or not the best? HRV too. That's why you see so many civic and HRV otr these days. Although it's a B segment suv based on the Jazz platform, it doesn't look nor drives nor behave like a B segment. That's why the HRV can compete aggressively against C segment suv. Similarly to the city and Vios. It's based on B segment, but the look is deceiving thinking that it's a C segment car. Ppl are basically sold and perceived by how it looks rather than whether it's a B or C segment. Ppl don't really care about that.

This Elantra is sold as both 1.6, 1.8 in Singapore. If Hyundai bothers to bring in the 1.6 and sell at city E price than Hyundai will have a chance. If the Elantra 2.0 is sold between RM92-97k, then it may have a chance of eating into the civic pie.






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considering the quality of hyundai after sales service and second value, i will forget about it.
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never ever buy new launched hyundai or Kia in malaysia

My scenario

Kia K3 2.0 July 2013 first batch owner. 0 discount (expected lah new launch)

January 2014 Free 5 years service + Add on GPS navigation (less than 6 months launch bangwall.gif )

December 2014, DISCOUNT about 12k for the 2.0 (to those who bought around sept/oct 2014 easily lost 20k of car value in less than 6 months)


The way they throw huge discounts to their cars is killing badly the 2nd hand value.
Less cars on the road + HUGE discounts = gone case.


So if really wanna buy a korean , be patient and wait for these huge offers.

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considering the quality of hyundai after sales service and second value, i will forget about it.
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QUOTE(monocle @ Mar 7 2017, 10:46 AM)
never ever buy new launched hyundai or Kia in malaysia

My scenario

Kia K3 2.0 July 2013 first batch owner. 0 discount (expected lah new launch)

January 2014 Free 5 years service + Add on GPS navigation (less than 6 months launch  bangwall.gif )

December 2014, DISCOUNT about 12k for the 2.0 (to those who bought around sept/oct 2014 easily lost 20k of car value in less than 6 months)
The way  they throw huge discounts to their cars is killing badly the 2nd hand value.
Less cars on the road + HUGE discounts = gone case.
So if really wanna buy a korean , be patient and wait for these huge offers.
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You mean the guy name Sebastian?
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Lol so you'e saying because of a powderful guy work in japs, that's why Korean gg?

Lmao
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Honda does everything right

They give great design, good package with a good price. Ppl wan the best value for money

When Elantra and Forte was launched back in 2011-2013 they sell for only around RM76k, similarly priced with the city and vios

Ppl can buy a better looking and c segment forte and Elantra. Elantra and forte sales skyrocketed. You see forte and Elantra everywhere

But now you hardly see a new Hyundai and Kia these days except the forte since it's still "competitively" priced but at a higher price point

But Hyundai? None seen.... Their new models are as rare as a Suprima S. If Tucson is priced competitively or slightly below the HRV and their Elantra in the city V / Vento price point, introduce a few more models like the Creta, i20 and new accent and sell below the city and Vios price point, Hyundai can be a formidable alternative to the H and T like you seen in many other countries

Hyundai and Kia have been known to undercut their rivals in other countries but they are not doing it here
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Forte was sold cheap but not Elantra in 2011-2013 that was priced close to Japanese rivals. At that time, my members and I were backing the Koreans mainly because we wanted to buy korean cars with future safe proof.

What happened now mainly because the korean company angered 2 of my members during job interview that they turned to Japanese rivals giving them advice on how to retaliate.

Under current protectionism pricing and tax, korean cars are considered same level as Japanese brand. Elantra is C segment where 1.6 at rm100k, 1.8l at rm112k while 2.0l above rm120k. Selling too low where c segment priced at B segment would return real low profit per car like rm10k only.
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Lol so you'e saying because of a powderful guy work in japs, that's why Korean gg?

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Strategies is 1 of the reason, products itself is also main reason. When Japanese brands offering nice design, ingredient packed instead of empty tin can, plus good strategies to reclaim the shares taken by korean cars before this.

Powderful guy helps make things easier to grab back the slices eaten by korean brands. I'll check what is this powderful guy going to do after new elantra launch. I'll post when members invite me to tea and borrow me internet next time
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QUOTE(jayraptor @ Mar 7 2017, 11:57 PM)
Strategies is 1 of the reason, products itself is also main reason. When Japanese brands offering nice design, ingredient packed instead of empty tin can, plus good strategies to reclaim the shares taken by korean cars before this.

Powderful guy helps make things easier to grab back the slices eaten by korean brands. I'll check what is this powderful guy going to do after new elantra launch. I'll post when members invite me to tea and borrow me internet next time
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This Sebastian damn strong.
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strategy is important just like what sebastian said...in australia, hyundai is the top 3 car brand. first is toyota...honda is at no. 10..

somehow makes me wonder why honda is damn strong in malaysia, their quality is not that good since they do ckd here.
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Guys, needed your feedback on Kia Cerato Koup 1.6 T-GDI model. Last month i've test drived this car and they giving promotion on it. Car price RM 95,888 for chap goh mei promotion. So i submitted my documents for the loan la, never expect the bank approved my loan so fast. Then here come my question, for KIA cerato koup Manufacture year 2015. Do you guys think it worth that much?

Spending money to buy a 2 years old car. Is it worth?

Anyone driving Kia cerato koup?
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QUOTE(hazremi @ Mar 8 2017, 10:09 AM)
strategy is important just like what sebastian said...in australia, hyundai is the top 3 car brand. first is toyota...honda is at no. 10..

somehow makes me wonder why honda is damn strong in malaysia, their quality is not that good since they do ckd here.
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Due to people still think honda made frm japan instead of melaka

QUOTE(Mr.Lego @ Mar 8 2017, 12:01 PM)
Guys, needed your feedback on Kia Cerato Koup 1.6 T-GDI model. Last month i've test drived this car and they giving promotion on it. Car price RM 95,888 for chap goh mei promotion. So i submitted my documents for the loan la, never expect the bank approved my loan so fast. Then here come my question, for KIA cerato koup Manufacture year 2015. Do you guys think it worth that much?

Spending money to buy a 2 years old car. Is it worth?

Anyone driving Kia cerato koup?
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https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/3596715/+740
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This Sebastian damn strong.
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Strong la ofcos... rm4k marketing executive salary woh. Very high already according to him.
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QUOTE(Mr.Lego @ Mar 8 2017, 12:01 PM)
Guys, needed your feedback on Kia Cerato Koup 1.6 T-GDI model. Last month i've test drived this car and they giving promotion on it. Car price RM 95,888 for chap goh mei promotion. So i submitted my documents for the loan la, never expect the bank approved my loan so fast. Then here come my question, for KIA cerato koup Manufacture year 2015. Do you guys think it worth that much?

Spending money to buy a 2 years old car. Is it worth?

Anyone driving Kia cerato koup?
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Why not? If you like the car just go ahead. 2 years u saved 40k already. As long as it's a new car I don't see a problem.


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QUOTE(victorr @ Mar 8 2017, 06:00 PM)
Strong la ofcos... rm4k marketing executive salary woh. Very high already according to him.
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QUOTE(monocle @ Mar 8 2017, 06:44 PM)
Why not? If you like the car just go ahead. 2 years u saved 40k already. As long as it's a new car I don't see a problem.
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Yay, more reasons to lurk here ald. I was waiting for this moment. brows.gif

Perhaps jay/Sebastian is right. RV for cerato sucks. I lost kao kao..
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QUOTE(victorr @ Mar 8 2017, 06:00 PM)
Strong la ofcos... rm4k marketing executive salary woh. Very high already according to him.
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Are you living in Malaysia? Have you been working in office before? You seems to don't know office jobs salary scale at all. Exec level entry level can be as low as rm1.8k, most around 2.5-4k. You want Rm5-6k onwards up to rm7k that's assistant manager or junior manager level already. Manager rm8k and higher.

If you're exec that earns higher than rm4k, then you must be in sales line adding commission, allowance into your pay. That Sebastian you're referring, he asked me to kirim salam to you. He said Korean company does not appreciate talents, they end up braindrain to rival companies.
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QUOTE(hazremi @ Mar 8 2017, 10:09 AM)
strategy is important just like what sebastian said...in australia, hyundai is the top 3 car brand. first is toyota...honda is at no. 10..

somehow makes me wonder why honda is damn strong in malaysia, their quality is not that good since they do ckd here.
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CKD means assembled, not purely made here. Most of the parts are brought in from Japan. No carmakers would ever reveal their recipes to make certain materials, fabricate, etc. The CKD assembly plants only stamp, weld, tighten putting all the already done or half done parts together. Only certain non-top secret things are fully local made or local supplied. Korean cars are CKD here, does it mean it's not Korean? Toyota used to be CKD here before shifting to Thailand. CBU from Thailand, is it any different then?

Honda is strong not just here but in Asia, America too because of superior marketing strategies apart from design, brand name, etc. Toyota at the other hand relies on proven reliability and service record.
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Are you living in Malaysia? Have you been working in office before? You seems to don't know office jobs salary scale at all. Exec level entry level can be as low as rm1.8k, most around 2.5-4k. You want Rm5-6k onwards up to rm7k that's assistant manager or junior manager level already.  Manager rm8k and higher.

If you're exec that earns higher than rm4k, then you must be in sales line adding commission, allowance into your pay. That Sebastian you're referring, he asked me to kirim salam to you. He said Korean company does not appreciate talents, they end up braindrain to rival companies.
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Wow. You just admitted that guy is Sebastian. Our fellow forumer like Sherlock Holmes got it right.
Anyway the Pay and the level is not the issue here. It's your arrogant Sebastian that think of himself as a marketing Exec can change and alter the whole industry. So drama. But sad to say, everyone here don't think that he got any marketing mindset at all. Please kirim salam back to him and ask him to work harder and be more humble.

And yes I live in Malaysia, Kuala Lumpur. And I am working in office. You asked me twice already. biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(victorr @ Mar 8 2017, 11:38 PM)
Wow. You just admitted that guy is Sebastian. Our fellow forumer like Sherlock Holmes got it right.
Anyway the Pay and the level is not the issue here. It's your arrogant Sebastian that think of himself as a marketing Exec can change and alter the whole industry. So drama. But sad to say, everyone here don't think that he got any marketing mindset at all. Please kirim salam back to him and ask him to work harder and be more humble.

And yes I live in Malaysia, Kuala Lumpur. And I am working in office. You asked me twice already.  biggrin.gif
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You all call him Sebastian so I refer him as Sebastian since I forgot his username. You don't expect me to post his real name here. I didn't get to see what he posted since admin removed all of his traces. Whether he's arrogant or not, his strategies in fact defeated all the korean strategists and marketing experts here. He proven his worth and appreciated by rival company.

You don't know that most car companies, the few marketing executives were those who contributed most of the plans, ideas , strategies yet the best worker might never get manager post at all. There's this chinaman run car company where the manager would hire capable marketing executive only to get him to give some ideas, strategies, plans, etc then kick him out of company. 1-2 months later, this post will be available on job ads to look for another victim. Credits claimed by this manager.

Yes, I'm sending him your regards now. He got what he wanted and sending fear to competitors. I'm thinking whether to persuade another buddy of mine to apply for that marketing post for korean HMC, train and guide him to challenge that Japanese champion strategist.
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eh talk about hyundai Elantra/Avante la, why you lovebirds take your mating session on pm please.
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eh talk about hyundai Elantra/Avante la, why you lovebirds take your mating session on pm please.
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Easy to clean up
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eh talk about hyundai Elantra/Avante la, why you lovebirds take your mating session on pm please.
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My post is related to Elantra's requirement for survival, a capable strategist that could bring it into competition. Most good cars died because of poor marketing that failed to build and hold its stance. You can see how Tucson lost to empty CRV, Sonata LF failed to sell, Elantra MD end up selling at B segment lost to City, mazda 2, vios.

New Elantra 2017, the available engines for petrol, 1.6L, 2.0L, 1.6T, saw blogs saying 1.4T to experiment with. India has 1.4T diesel? Design wise, the interior centre dash is not nice, should rid that design that has failed in genesis and sonata LF.

C segment 2.0L, you may say value buy. Japanese rival super strategist is going to use this strategy to ensure Japanese C segment 1.8 victory: C segment adequate engine is 1.8L to pull it around. Current economy, 1.8L road tax more affordable, FC idling city bumper to bumper crawl confirmed better than 2.0L. The bigger 2.0L is for those wanted extra power only, city driving practicality for C segment, a good 1.8L is best for wallet. If wanted good performance 2.0L, there's Mazda 3 rated best already selling at good price.

Conclusion: Elantra success and survival depend heavily on ace category strategist to market. When launch, people will test this car then go to neighbouring showrooms to rest Civic, Altis, Matsuda 3 to compare. Japanese king strategist already sent out brainwash marketing to most customers brain to think 1 sided, failing to counter market will end up most sales go to Japanese brand.
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launching in April
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Estimated price?
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belum tahu boss
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belum tahu boss
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haha how to april fool u lah boss?

launch i think mid/end april.
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haha how to april fool u lah boss?

launch i think mid/end april.
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Woah ! Super strong chassis . But wait , does it means impact from front , behind or side surrounding perform well too ?

Hi Laura ,will 2.0 turbo version possibly launch here ? 🤔
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Woah ! Super strong chassis . But wait , does it means impact from front , behind or side surrounding perform well too ?

Hi Laura ,will 2.0 turbo version possibly launch here ? 🤔
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Are sure wanna buy 2.0 turbo ?
Price sure 199k
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Glad to know more , 199k seems cheaper than civic type R turbo 😉
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Under new rules, the Elantra pricing won't be much different from its cousin Cerato (same level as Japanese brand). There's likely low spec 1.6L with 2 airbags that price at 9xk. The 1.6T is mated to DCT gearbox? If bringing this in, it'll need strategist like my friend only could sell. Else, it'll be just another Veloster ending.
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QUOTE(jayraptor @ Mar 15 2017, 11:43 PM)
Under new rules, the Elantra pricing won't be much different from its cousin Cerato (same level as Japanese brand). There's likely low spec 1.6L with 2 airbags that price at 9xk. The 1.6T is mated to DCT gearbox? If bringing this in,  it'll need strategist like my friend only could sell. Else, it'll be just another Veloster ending.
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Then will be bad news... Eco tgh gawat lak...
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Woah ! Super strong chassis . But wait , does it means impact from front , behind or side surrounding perform well too ?

Hi Laura ,will 2.0 turbo version possibly launch here ? 🤔
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QUOTE(sitescope @ Mar 15 2017, 08:36 PM)
Are sure wanna buy 2.0 turbo ?
Price sure 199k
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Only 1.6T, very good performance and some reviews liken it to have some soul of what the Civic should be, ironic that the current new Civic lost some of it's core "Civic-ness"

Just take Jayraptor's comments with a pinch of sand, he's just here to gauge the market sentiment and to black face the korean brands....almost like one of his/her friends that totally got removed in this forum...
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Woah ! Super strong chassis . But wait , does it means impact from front , behind or side surrounding perform well too ?

Hi Laura ,will 2.0 turbo version possibly launch here ? 🤔
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ya ya. ncap all good.
53% AHSS

i think we will have 1.6t & 2.0
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ya ya. ncap all good.
53% AHSS

i think we will have 1.6t & 2.0
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Why need 2.0 if 1.6T aldy power ?
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Dun understand
Why need 2.0 if 1.6T aldy power ?
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Hmm ... Lets summon Jayraptor

He may help on this strategy clarifying .

Downsize engine + turbo is hot demand now 🙄
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2.0L : RM121,988
1.6T : RM136,988



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Dun understand
Why need 2.0 if 1.6T aldy power ?
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The 2.0 is without turbo for those who prefer NA engine. Power wise I think the 1.6T should be better.
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Let me guess

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QUOTE(Ginny88 @ Mar 16 2017, 01:44 PM)
The 2.0 is without turbo for those who prefer NA engine. Power wise I think the 1.6T should be better.
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Let's see if this car will be doing better than the Ioniq.
Hardly see any of that car on the road after 3 months sales.
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Let's see if this car will be doing better than the Ioniq.
Hardly see any of that car on the road after 3 months sales.
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With that price 6mths also kenot see otr
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QUOTE(wkc5657 @ Mar 16 2017, 09:37 AM)
Only 1.6T, very good performance and some reviews liken it to have some soul of what the Civic should be, ironic that the current new Civic lost some of it's core "Civic-ness"

Just take Jayraptor's comments with a pinch of sand, he's just here to gauge the market sentiment and to black face the korean brands....almost like one of his/her friends that totally got removed in this forum...
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Can you point out exactly which of my comment says koream cars not good? My principles, things that are good, i'll say good. Things that are bad, i'll say bad. I talk only facts when comes to car review.

Can't deny that bad strategies and planning are the main cause of Korean cars downfall, go check locar car sales from 2011-2016, it started to slide downard in 2014 and plummet it 2015 until now. End 2009-2013, I post free strategies that help good cars survive against dominating Japanese T & H on jihad as what Japanese marketing staff called me. Few companies marketing staff benefit a lot from all the free results and strategies to counter the 2 strongest brands. Throughout these years it proven that a car company would need good strategist to keep guiding and leading the war until real stable.

The same strategies cannot be used again for long as rival will come up with new strategies. Like my friend who turned to Japanese brand, it proved how soon the same old strategies became obsolete. Few car companies that have too much politics hiring people to steal ideas then fire like N brand showed how crappy their results end up. Short lived success then gone dead cold as seen in several models.

Toyota & Honda, they keep best strategists on long term to ensure success. Korean brand if wanted to win, it'll have to carefully check each job applicants to test true skills then choose really good ones for long term. Not by judging their academic and job experience alone.

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Let's see if this car will be doing better than the Ioniq.
Hardly see any of that car on the road after 3 months sales.
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Hmm ... Lets summon Jayraptor

He may help on this strategy clarifying .

Downsize engine + turbo is hot demand now 🙄
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Sorry, I won't comment since my friend is with Japanese rival while another friend is applying for hmc. I'll only be referee or commentator with limited comment. If the other guy gotten the korean job, i'll stay neutral and watch them compete who is better.


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Ionic ? Yes i start to see somes on the road too . Seriously this hybrid launch in the good time , petrol keep hike in last few months .

Korean car need to revive their sales need strong strategy indeed . Please dont simply throw huge discount like kia k3 discount 13k in 6months since new launch which mention by a forumer earlier . This is very disappointed korean's die hard fans 🙄

Cbu elantra 1.6t price below 120k , got chance ?
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Sorry, I won't comment since my friend is with Japanese rival while another friend is applying for hmc. I'll only be referee or commentator with limited comment. If the other guy gotten the korean job, i'll stay neutral and watch them compete who is better.
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QUOTE(Actchan @ Mar 16 2017, 10:51 PM)
Ionic ? Yes i start to see somes on the road too . Seriously this hybrid launch in the good time , petrol keep hike in last few months .

Korean car need to revive their sales need strong strategy indeed . Please dont simply throw huge discount like kia k3  discount 13k in 6months since new launch which mention by a forumer earlier . This is very disappointed korean's die hard fans 🙄

Cbu elantra 1.6t price below 120k , got chance ?
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QUOTE(jayraptor @ Mar 16 2017, 10:31 PM)
Can't deny that bad strategies and planning are the main cause of Korean cars downfall, go check locar car sales from 2011-2016, it started to slide downard in 2014 and plummet it 2015 until now. End 2009-2013, I post free strategies that help good cars survive against dominating Japanese T & H on jihad as what Japanese marketing staff called me. Few companies marketing staff benefit a lot from all the free results and strategies to counter the 2 strongest brands. Throughout these years it proven that a car company would need good strategist to keep guiding and leading the war until real stable.

The same strategies cannot be used again for long as rival will come up with new strategies. Like my friend who turned to Japanese brand, it proved how soon the same old strategies became obsolete. Few car companies that have too much politics hiring people to steal ideas then fire like N brand showed how crappy their results end up. Short lived success then gone dead cold as seen in several models.

Toyota & Honda, they keep best strategists on long term to ensure success. Korean brand if wanted to win, it'll have to carefully check each job applicants to test true skills then choose really good ones for long term. Not by judging their academic and job experience alone.
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Who you are, what you do doesn't concern much of us. But you and your friend keep sulking on the internal politics, hiring methods and especially harping on how good your strategies are all these stuffs are annoying. And to add to the insult, some of the "facts" you (and your friend) present just don't make any sense. You and your friend's credibility cannot hold ground despite you people seemingly have better internal knowledge than us. So if you want to have credibility, prove it with sound facts and explanation. And we can't fathom why you need to say Hyundai as "Hwontai" and Kia as "Keah". What the heck??!!! Want to be indirectly "direct" yet indirect rclxub.gif rclxub.gif

In the portal of free speech, i agree there is no stopping you from giving your piece of your mind. There are no denying that there are brand haters lurking around, but all just say a few words then that's all. Once in a while, fine. But you and your friend keep like to disturb the discussion on korean brands, and when we ask for specific facts, you and your friend would just be mum about it, due to "industrial secrets" or don't want to reveal strategies to marketing snoopers from other makes. When confronted, you (and your friend) will come out statements like other people don't know the "internal strategies" and repeat similar sentiments in different ways only. Worse, your friend make baseless statement on some forumers, attacking them that they are marketing snoopers trying to "profit" from his discussion. A lot of people fail to understand that free speech stands on constructive, fair and objective discussion, not senseless wordings and personal attacks. That's why moderators are around.

So if you don't want to say specifics, then better to remain silent. If you still want to keep dropping in talking about bad strategies speech, you will appear to be a trolling brand hatter because you don't contribute to the discussion with facts and good sound explanation. Better for you to go look out for other forums on marketing and strategies, but again, if you don't want to talk facts, you won't find home in the "more suitable" forum either. In fact, i do think those real marketing snoopers from other makes are smarter to either blend in with their postings or remain silent just to observe the sentiment of car owners of various brands in the forum.

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QUOTE(jayraptor @ Mar 11 2017, 10:48 AM)
New Elantra 2017, the available engines for petrol, 1.6L,  2.0L, 1.6T, saw blogs saying 1.4T to experiment with. India has 1.4T diesel? Design wise, the interior centre dash is not nice, should rid that design that has failed in genesis and sonata LF.

Elantra indeed has 1.4T model, but it's called ECO version.
Reason? It's 1.4 Akitson cycle "Kappa" engine, turbocharge.

Same engine family with i10 1.25L NA and ioniq 1.6L NA.

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Lol it's just an Elantra.... Like an Altis, Sylphy...

So far I haven't seen a single Ioniq on the road yet

I seen the Elantra until sien already in Singapore

I won't say I like the design I think it's a little conservative compared to the previous model. And comparing with the Civic I prefer the Civic much more and the M3 also. I think this current Elantra has better design than Altis and definitely more nicer than the Sylphy

But it's one of the most best selling Small sedan in the US after Altis and Civic




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Lol it's just an Elantra.... Like an Altis, Sylphy...

So far I haven't seen a single Ioniq on the road yet

I seen the Elantra until sien already in Singapore

I won't say I like the design I think it's a little conservative compared to the previous model. And comparing with the Civic I prefer the Civic much more and the M3 also. I think this current Elantra has better design than Altis and definitely more nicer than the Sylphy

But it's one of the most best selling Small sedan in the US after Altis and Civic
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Kenot imagine rear civic ketam is nice design, i kenot brain it...
Rear ioniq also not nice...
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QUOTE(sitescope @ Mar 17 2017, 07:08 PM)
Kenot imagine rear civic ketam is nice design, i kenot brain it...
Rear ioniq also not nice...
M3 quite ok
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Ketam is delicious ma no mehh? Especially cooked in salted egg style. Jepun king crab lagi sedap hahahahahahaha

Forgot to mention the cerato forte it's one of the nicest looking C segment out there. But Civic now is the nicest la lol



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Who you are, what you do doesn't concern much of us. But you and your friend keep sulking on the internal politics, hiring methods and especially harping on how good your strategies are all these stuffs are annoying. And to add to the insult, some of the "facts" you (and your friend) present just don't make any sense. You and your friend's credibility cannot hold ground despite you people seemingly have better internal knowledge than us. So if you want to have credibility, prove it with sound facts and explanation. And we can't fathom why you need to say Hyundai as "Hwontai" and Kia as "Keah". What the heck??!!! Want to be indirectly "direct" yet indirect  rclxub.gif  rclxub.gif

In the portal of free speech, i agree there is no stopping you from giving your piece of your mind. There are no denying that there are brand haters lurking around, but all just say a few words then that's all. Once in a while, fine. But you and your friend keep like to disturb the discussion on korean brands, and when we ask for specific facts, you and your friend would just be mum about it, due to "industrial secrets" or don't want to reveal strategies to marketing snoopers from other makes. When confronted, you (and your friend) will come out statements like other people don't know the "internal strategies" and repeat similar sentiments in different ways only. Worse, your friend make baseless statement on some forumers, attacking them that they are marketing snoopers trying to "profit" from his discussion. A lot of people fail to understand that free speech stands on constructive, fair and objective discussion, not senseless wordings and personal attacks. That's why moderators are around.

So if you don't want to say specifics, then better to remain silent. If you still want to keep dropping in talking about bad strategies speech, you will appear to be a trolling brand hatter because you don't contribute to the discussion with facts and good sound explanation. Better for you to go look out for other forums on marketing and strategies, but again, if you don't want to talk facts, you won't find home in the "more suitable" forum either. In fact, i do think those real marketing snoopers from other makes are smarter to either blend in with their postings or remain silent just to observe the sentiment of car owners of various brands in the forum.
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You got serious misinterpretation there. What my friend posted got nothing to do with me. If he posted facts that are against your beloved brand, i'm pretty sure you failed to counter him with facts. Jolokia said hwontai and keeah first if not mistaken, just following his trend. Bmw as bimmer, Peugeot as Pug, almera as almari, sylphy as sifilis, what seems to be the issue?

In fact people nowadays do look at how management perform before they buy cars. What facts have you posted on Elantra so far since This thread is about new Elantra btw. There are several forumners posted negative comments, are they trolls to you too? Like They said Elantra is riding on torsion beam while Civic on multilink, so Civic handles and going through potholes better, its 1.5 turbo can hit 100km/h in 8s. What is Elantra 1.6T millennium sprint? How do you reply them?

If your ignorance attacking people for pointing out weaknesses that could cause new Elantra to fail, at the end nobody bothers to comment and it ended like Sonata LF poor sales, are you ready to bear responsibility or will you say non of your business?

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QUOTE(Actchan @ Mar 16 2017, 10:51 PM)
Ionic ? Yes i start to see somes on the road too . Seriously this hybrid launch in the good time , petrol keep hike in last few months .

Korean car need to revive their sales need strong strategy indeed . Please dont simply throw huge discount like kia k3  discount 13k in 6months since new launch which mention by a forumer earlier . This is very disappointed korean's die hard fans 🙄

Cbu elantra 1.6t price below 120k , got chance ?
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Photo of the day. This rare genesis belong to SD captured by my friend near SD office. Unless they hire real good people to market their cars, ioniq will not sell. My friend saw blue ioniq on the road, he followed the car and it went into showroom. Several sonata LF and optima on the road too turn out to be related companies fleet vehicles instead.of private owned.

Based on several cars, 1.6T costs more expensive than 2.0L NA and similar to 2.5L NA engines. Priced below rm120k, it will have to sacrifice revenue much under current ruling.

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QUOTE(shakku @ Mar 17 2017, 03:44 PM)
Elantra indeed has 1.4T model, but it's called ECO version.
Reason? It's 1.4 Akitson cycle "Kappa" engine, turbocharge.

Same engine family with i10 1.25L NA and ioniq 1.6L NA.
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Thanks for the info. The 1.4T is ECO version, substitute of 1.8L?
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QUOTE(jacobngen87 @ Mar 17 2017, 06:34 PM)
Lol it's just an Elantra.... Like an Altis, Sylphy...

So far I haven't seen a single Ioniq on the road yet

I seen the Elantra until sien already in Singapore

I won't say I like the design I think it's a little conservative compared to the previous model. And comparing with the Civic I prefer the Civic much more and the M3 also. I think this current Elantra has better design than Altis and definitely more nicer than the Sylphy

But it's one of the most best selling Small sedan in the US after Altis and Civic
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New Elantra lacks the looks compared to Civic. The old Elantra MD looks more original and creative. If it wanted to compete with Civic and Altis, it cannot rely on design.
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Who you are, what you do doesn't concern much of us. But you and your friend keep sulking on the internal politics, hiring methods and especially harping on how good your strategies are all these stuffs are annoying. And to add to the insult, some of the "facts" you (and your friend) present just don't make any sense. You and your friend's credibility cannot hold ground despite you people seemingly have better internal knowledge than us. So if you want to have credibility, prove it with sound facts and explanation. And we can't fathom why you need to say Hyundai as "Hwontai" and Kia as "Keah". What the heck??!!! Want to be indirectly "direct" yet indirect  rclxub.gif  rclxub.gif

In the portal of free speech, i agree there is no stopping you from giving your piece of your mind. There are no denying that there are brand haters lurking around, but all just say a few words then that's all. Once in a while, fine. But you and your friend keep like to disturb the discussion on korean brands, and when we ask for specific facts, you and your friend would just be mum about it, due to "industrial secrets" or don't want to reveal strategies to marketing snoopers from other makes. When confronted, you (and your friend) will come out statements like other people don't know the "internal strategies" and repeat similar sentiments in different ways only. Worse, your friend make baseless statement on some forumers, attacking them that they are marketing snoopers trying to "profit" from his discussion. A lot of people fail to understand that free speech stands on constructive, fair and objective discussion, not senseless wordings and personal attacks. That's why moderators are around.

So if you don't want to say specifics, then better to remain silent. If you still want to keep dropping in talking about bad strategies speech, you will appear to be a trolling brand hatter because you don't contribute to the discussion with facts and good sound explanation. Better for you to go look out for other forums on marketing and strategies, but again, if you don't want to talk facts, you won't find home in the "more suitable" forum either. In fact, i do think those real marketing snoopers from other makes are smarter to either blend in with their postings or remain silent just to observe the sentiment of car owners of various brands in the forum.
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Good and long write bro. Unfortunately the message won't get across to him. Because you can't post anything to counter him. Because everything else other than what he talk, cannot be accepted into his narrow mindset.

Elantra haven't launch yet, he already predicted sales not as good as Civic. Civic sales good is not because of his multi link or whatever technical stuff he posted that a normal consumer will never bother. Civic already have so good sales now. Of course hard to beat down with a Korean made Elantra especially in Malaysia. Duh.

I'm sure if one day Hyundai sales rise up, he will stand out and say it's because Hyundai finally hired his 'friend' and used his powerful strategy. Just check the sales record if you don't believe it.

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Good and long write bro. Unfortunately the message won't get across to him. Because you can't post anything to counter him. Because everything else other than what he talk, cannot be accepted into his narrow mindset.

Elantra haven't launch yet, he already predicted sales not as good as Civic. Civic sales good is not because of his multi link or whatever technical stuff he posted that a normal consumer will never bother. Civic already have so good sales now. Of course hard to beat down with a Korean made Elantra especially in Malaysia. Duh.

I'm sure if one day Hyundai sales rise up, he will stand out and say it's because Hyundai finally hired his 'friend' and used his powerful strategy. Just check the sales record if you don't believe it.
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Just too bad that he and his friend can't understand the fact that if they are being employed, office politics are just one of the risks that entails. If God bless (like me for all my post positions), the office people just don't play this kind of game. If too bad got into office politics crap, either one is good at "swimming" between sides or very good at tai-chi.

If cannot tahan office politics, jadi boss sendiri la....
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QUOTE(victorr @ Mar 18 2017, 12:16 AM)
Good and long write bro. Unfortunately the message won't get across to him. Because you can't post anything to counter him. Because everything else other than what he talk, cannot be accepted into his narrow mindset.

Elantra haven't launch yet, he already predicted sales not as good as Civic. Civic sales good is not because of his multi link or whatever technical stuff he posted that a normal consumer will never bother. Civic already have so good sales now. Of course hard to beat down with a Korean made Elantra especially in Malaysia. Duh.

I'm sure if one day Hyundai sales rise up, he will stand out and say it's because Hyundai finally hired his 'friend' and used his powerful strategy. Just check the sales record if you don't believe it.
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Can you pinpoint any tell tale forumners in LYF that could precisely predict things that will happen like what I said or my friend said? Reason being we don't tell tale but predicted based on their activities, sales statistics, customers surveillance and strategies.

Based on few fellas here who mentioned my friend, seems like he predicted everything right about Cerato. Do you know that Cerato already lost before the car is launch? Deadly strategies from attacking rivals and weak counter strategies by defender are the main cause of Cerato downfall. There's no room for error.

The new Elantra, the Japanese rivals are planning to give it pearl harbour attack before Elantra can take on Japanese sales. Economy is harsh, competition is more desperate that every sales count. If this new Elantra failed, it will lose most of the customers faith. They can try their luck on B segment Accent but without good strategies, people will think 1.4L underpowered while 1.6L too expensive, fuel guzzling. It has 1.0T but price could end up higher than NA 1.6L



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QUOTE(jayraptor @ Mar 20 2017, 10:30 PM)
Can you pinpoint any tell tale forumners in LYF that could precisely predict things that will happen like what I said or my friend said? Reason being we don't tell tale but predicted based on their activities, sales statistics, customers surveillance and strategies.

Based on few fellas here who mentioned my friend, seems like he predicted everything right about Cerato. Do you know that Cerato already lost before the car is launch? Deadly strategies from attacking rivals and weak counter strategies by defender are the main cause of Cerato downfall. There's no room for error.

The new Elantra, the Japanese rivals are planning to give it pearl harbour attack before Elantra can take on Japanese sales. Economy is harsh, competition is more desperate that every sales count. If this new Elantra failed, it will lose most of the customers faith. They can try their luck on B segment Accent but without good strategies, people will think 1.4L underpowered while 1.6L too expensive, fuel guzzling. It has 1.0T but price could end up higher than NA 1.6L
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Hyundai and Kia competes very aggressively in other countries like Europe and North America and especially Australasia and US continent but it ain't happening here...

Why? Cos the pricing is too close to the Japanese rivals

Malaysians mindset still favor the Japanese over the Korean and most won't spend that much on a Korean brand.

That's why you hardly ever see a new Sportage, Tucson, i40, Sonata, Optima, Santa Fe, Sorrento on the road at all... They are as rare as seeing a European sports car. You see more new German new cars vs Korean... Instead, you see new Japanese cars everywhere now.

The only way the Korean has any slightest chance of winning Malaysian buyers is price. Price this new Elantra at a very competitive price that buyers will have to think twice not to give it a miss. Undercut the rivals like what they did it in the above continents. For instance, they can introduce the 1.6L like what they sell in spore and price is from RM82k. Buyers will think is there any reason not to buy this over City and Vios? Yes it's B versus C segment. But here people simply don't care! Then price the 2.0L from RM92k. People will be wowed that it's similarly priced with top spec city and Vios. Is there reason not to buy this Elantra over the rival such as Civic and Altis? That's 10-20% cheaper. Then price the 1.6L turbo from RM105k onwards. This severely undercut the rival and then Hyundai and Kia may have the chance steal their pie and regain their lost market share here. That is If they ever want to la. Maybe Msia market is too small for them to wanna do that? I don't know... Maybe they just want a very lean sales? Like few hundred a month? Just to have a presence in Malaysia?




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Unfortunately Korean models don't have a lot of leeway on price due to the strength of the Korean won and being CBU.
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Hyundai and Kia competes very aggressively in other countries like Europe and North America and especially Australasia and US continent but it ain't happening here...

Why? Cos the pricing is too close to the Japanese rivals

Malaysians mindset still favor the Japanese over the Korean and most won't spend that much on a Korean brand.

That's why you hardly ever see a new Sportage, Tucson, i40, Sonata, Optima, Santa Fe, Sorrento on the road at all... They are as rare as seeing a European sports car. You see more new German new cars vs Korean... Instead, you see new Japanese cars everywhere now.

The only way the Korean has any slightest chance of winning Malaysian buyers is price. Price this new Elantra at a very competitive price that buyers will have to think twice not to give it a miss. Undercut the rivals like what they did it in the above continents. For instance, they can introduce the 1.6L like what they sell in spore and price is from RM82k. Buyers will think is there any reason not to buy this over City and Vios? Yes it's B versus C segment. But here people simply don't care! Then price the 2.0L from RM92k. People will be wowed that it's similarly priced with top spec city and Vios. Is there reason not to buy this Elantra over the rival such as Civic and Altis? That's 10-20% cheaper. Then price the 1.6L turbo from RM105k onwards. This severely undercut the rival and then Hyundai and Kia may have the chance steal their pie and regain their lost market share here. That is If they ever want to la. Maybe Msia market is too small for them to wanna do that? I don't know... Maybe they just want a very lean sales? Like few hundred a month? Just to have a presence in Malaysia?
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Pricing low is nice, i would definitely snap one of the cars you mentioned if can priced like what you proposed. But one needs margin to survive and operate the admin and maintenance departments, not to forget the other indirect cost of stock holding and logistics.

And it is highly unlikely that the koreans can choose a loss leader type of strategy because the market penetration is low and also they don't have other products that can sell really well to cover loss leading products.

Further, our shitty ringgit, makes things really hard. Further, the CKD operations for the Koreans are not as extensive like the japanese counterparts here. Even in SKD form, because part localisation portion is small, add in taxes, hard to improve margins.

In short, not that they don't want, but they can't. Also, if once priced too low against rivals, highly likely to end up being trapped there and cannot move up. Perception wise, people may start viewing the brand as cheap again even though the korean brands have graduated from that state. If stuck at this stage, if you bring the price up for the next model, you'll lose market share real quick. Further, will depress the 2nd hand market real bad, making bad impression for potential buyers on the sidelines. The major factor that the Toyota and Honda can do so well is very much due to the resale market holding prices up.

They can't be like those chinese smartphone makers (Oppo/Xiaomi/Huawei) where they start cheap but now getting towards premium end, because the product cycle and technological landscape is vastly different. For smartphones, can slowly increase the price yearly through successive model replacements. As for cars, new models cycle is usually 6-7 years. Further, consistent technological improvements on car markets are far in between. For smartphones, every year got some improvements to processing power, bigger/better screen, longer battery life, camera improvements, etc. For cars, in recent times, i think only Skyactiv is one of those more radical development. Even so, the improvements are gradual at best, not like the <20% for smartphone technology.

Not to forget also, the distributors also have a part to play. Kia under Nasim, Sime Darby for Hyundai. I believe Nasim is more focused on their parallel import division than the proper car brands. Even so, they are focusing more efforts on Peugeot/Citroen than Kia. For Sime Darby, since BMW and Porsche are earning big bucks, of course not willing to spend resources on bringing up Hyundai.

Will be good that one of the korean brand pulls out, boot out hyundai and keep Kia to avoid segment canniblisation. Hyundai's target market segment is too close/similar to mainstream Toyota/Honda, really difficult to fight with the big boys. Kia has an edgier design philosophy and has the unconventional type of tendency. No need to fight with mainstream, carve out a segment of your own like what Mazda has achieved with the Skyactiv range.

But to do so, need to expand the lineup and bring in aspirational upgrade type of model like the soul and niro (and hopefully in the future, the stinger). My view is that the first 2 models are good candidates for those that want to graduate from myvi/saga/persona (and maybe some vios and city). If can buy up Proton's tanjung malim plant, Kia get regional economies of scales, plus get to expand their markets into south east asia with a assembly hub right here instead of thailand.
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QUOTE(jacobngen87 @ Mar 21 2017, 07:33 AM)
Hyundai and Kia competes very aggressively in other countries like Europe and North America and especially Australasia and US continent but it ain't happening here...

Why? Cos the pricing is too close to the Japanese rivals

Malaysians mindset still favor the Japanese over the Korean and most won't spend that much on a Korean brand.

That's why you hardly ever see a new Sportage, Tucson, i40, Sonata, Optima, Santa Fe, Sorrento on the road at all... They are as rare as seeing a European sports car. You see more new German new cars vs Korean... Instead, you see new Japanese cars everywhere now.

The only way the Korean has any slightest chance of winning Malaysian buyers is price. Price this new Elantra at a very competitive price that buyers will have to think twice not to give it a miss. Undercut the rivals like what they did it in the above continents. For instance, they can introduce the 1.6L like what they sell in spore and price is from RM82k. Buyers will think is there any reason not to buy this over City and Vios? Yes it's B versus C segment. But here people simply don't care! Then price the 2.0L from RM92k. People will be wowed that it's similarly priced with top spec city and Vios. Is there reason not to buy this Elantra over the rival such as Civic and Altis? That's 10-20% cheaper. Then price the 1.6L turbo from RM105k onwards. This severely undercut the rival and then Hyundai and Kia may have the chance steal their pie and regain their lost market share here. That is If they ever want to la. Maybe Msia market is too small for them to wanna do that? I don't know... Maybe they just want a very lean sales? Like few hundred a month? Just to have a presence in Malaysia?
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Hyundai and Kia competing in America but they are losing to Japanese Toyota, Honda that still dominating. Over Europe, koreans seems to be able to compete with Japanese in diesel warfare. In Australia, only 2 models that are competitive.

Mindset of locals were in progress of changing during my friends and I time of giving them continuous advice & strategies from 2010-2013, elantra, tucson, sportage, santa fe, sonata, optima were selling at healthy volume priced next to Japanese rivals. Q4 2013, friends said stop because giving free strategies, they can't get jobs.

2014-present, the koreans set their C segment cars & SUV at Japanese B segment, do you see high sales? 2014, their sales slumping, 2015-2016 sales kept dropping with more price cut and high discount for all models. Throwing price is bad strategies causing people to lose confidence turning them away.

Under current pricing & protectionism policy, car companies not allowed to declare price lower than certain limit. When car companies throw high discount, it'll only turn buyers away. Only good strategies & executions could get things back on track.
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Pricing low is nice, i would definitely snap one of the cars you mentioned if can priced like what you proposed. But one needs margin to survive and operate the admin and maintenance departments, not to forget the other indirect cost of stock holding and logistics.

And it is highly unlikely that the koreans can choose a loss leader type of strategy because the market penetration is low and also they don't have other products that can sell really well to cover loss leading products.

Further, our shitty ringgit, makes things really hard. Further, the CKD operations for the Koreans are not as extensive like the japanese counterparts here. Even in SKD form, because part localisation portion is small, add in taxes, hard to improve margins.

In short, not that they don't want, but they can't. Also, if once priced too low against rivals, highly likely to end up being trapped there and cannot move up. Perception wise, people may start viewing the brand as cheap again even though the korean brands have graduated from that state. If stuck at this stage, if you bring the price up for the next model, you'll lose market share real quick. Further, will depress the 2nd hand market real bad, making bad impression for potential buyers on the sidelines. The major factor that the Toyota and Honda can do so well is very much due to the resale market holding prices up.

They can't be like those chinese smartphone makers (Oppo/Xiaomi/Huawei) where they start cheap but now getting towards premium end, because the product cycle and technological landscape is vastly different. For smartphones, can slowly increase the price yearly through successive model replacements. As for cars, new models cycle is usually 6-7 years. Further, consistent technological improvements on car markets are far in between. For smartphones, every year got some improvements to processing power, bigger/better screen, longer battery life, camera improvements, etc. For cars, in recent times, i think only Skyactiv is one of those more radical development. Even so, the improvements are gradual at best, not like the <20% for smartphone technology.

Not to forget also, the distributors also have a part to play. Kia under Nasim, Sime Darby for Hyundai. I believe Nasim is more focused on their parallel import division than the proper car brands. Even so, they are focusing more efforts on Peugeot/Citroen than Kia. For Sime Darby, since BMW and Porsche are earning big bucks, of course not willing to spend resources on bringing up Hyundai.

Will be good that one of the korean brand pulls out, boot out hyundai and keep Kia to avoid segment canniblisation. Hyundai's target market segment is too close/similar to mainstream Toyota/Honda, really difficult to fight with the big boys. Kia has an edgier design philosophy and has the unconventional type of tendency. No need to fight with mainstream, carve out a segment of your own like what Mazda has achieved with the Skyactiv range.

But to do so, need to expand the lineup and bring in aspirational upgrade type of model like the soul and niro (and hopefully in the future, the stinger). My view is that the first 2 models are good candidates for those that want to graduate from myvi/saga/persona (and maybe some vios and city). If can buy up Proton's tanjung malim plant, Kia get regional economies of scales, plus get to expand their markets into south east asia with a assembly hub right here instead of thailand.
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SD did pumped in high budget to bring up Hyundai indeed, much spent on advertisements but it didn't return good results. Your suggestion of Hyundai should wrap up and go home will only leave existing owners without after sales, people losing jobs and cause people to condemn korean cars sending it into dead end for Kia that will be seriously affected.

Reason why Hyundai & Kia cannibalising each other mainly because of not able to win sales from Japanese rivals, left only the small group of customers that would buy something different. If Hyundai and Kia hired ace strategists, they'll focus on raking sales from Japanese rivals instead. If hyundai & kia still do things like N brand, they'll only go back.to their darkest age like their old past with real poor sales volume where Japanese brand dominating & monopolised non-local brand sales.
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I still think the pricing of current Hyundai and Kia is way too expensive and price too close to Japanese rivals.

For instance the Kia Forte. Price starts from RM99k?

Why would anybody buy this over HRV for instance? Although one is SUV and one is sedan, people will go for the best value for money. M3 is only price a few Ks higher and civic around RM10-13k higher.

Then comes the Tucson and Sportage. Both priced in the RM120-140k category.

Who would buy this over the HRV and Xtrail?

The pricing is all wrong. The i40 for instance and sonata is priced above the Accord and Teana? That's boom to fail la

Hyundai and Kia should maintain their strategy to price it 15-20% lower than the rivals. That way there's a good reason for people to consider and want to buy a Korean.


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I still think the pricing of current Hyundai and Kia is way too expensive and price too close to Japanese rivals.

For instance the Kia Forte. Price starts from RM99k?

Why would anybody buy this over HRV for instance? Although one is SUV and one is sedan, people will go for the best value for money. M3 is only price a few Ks higher and civic around RM10-13k higher.

Then comes the Tucson and Sportage. Both priced in the RM120-140k category.

Who would buy this over the HRV and Xtrail?

The pricing is all wrong. The i40 for instance and sonata is priced above the Accord and Teana? That's boom to fail la

Hyundai and Kia should maintain their strategy to price it 15-20% lower than the rivals. That way there's a good reason for people to consider and want to buy a Korean.
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Ya deswai ppl only grab it once it offers massive discount. Usually their discount more than the jap when having promotion period...

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Price will be the determining factor here. This new Elantra has been released in many other countries at least a year ago and Malaysia still has not gotten it yet.

Hope Hyundai can sell this model below RM85k for the 1.6L and below RM115k for the Turbo version.

If not I believe most buyers will go for the Japanese made like M3 and Civic and kimchi Forte
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Where got cheap price now days???

Cronies sick to increase increase as much as high price as possible !!!

That's why Malaysia market will die soon....

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Where got cheap price now days???

Cronies sick to increase increase as much as high price as possible !!!

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SD did pumped in high budget to bring up Hyundai indeed, much spent on advertisements but it didn't return good results. Your suggestion of Hyundai should wrap up and go home will only leave existing owners without after sales, people losing jobs and cause people to condemn korean cars sending it into dead end for Kia that will be seriously affected.


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Well, if can't sell, just like alfa romeo, better to let it disappear. Yes, jobs will be lost and hyundai customers will be saddened. But they can rest assure that major mechanical components will not be an issue as Kia shares the same mechanicals. Besides, perceptions aside, the fact is the powertrain has proven to be rather reliable to date.

Another alternative is to combine both under 1 distributor (but not sure whether the principle group in Korea will allow or not), something like what peugeot/citroen doing now. I think there will be about 40% overlap, so not so much pain letting some people go and close down some shops. Could have better pricing negotiation power from our end since can order more vehicles and parts from the group. Can have some logistical and warehousing savings as most of the mechanical components are shared between both Hyundai and Kia.

QUOTE(jacobngen87 @ Mar 22 2017, 07:42 AM)
I still think the pricing of current Hyundai and Kia is way too expensive and price too close to Japanese rivals.

For instance the Kia Forte. Price starts from RM99k?

Why would anybody buy this over HRV for instance? Although one is SUV and one is sedan, people will go for the best value for money. M3 is only price a few Ks higher and civic around RM10-13k higher.

Then comes the Tucson and Sportage. Both priced in the RM120-140k category.

Who would buy this over the HRV and Xtrail?

The pricing is all wrong. The i40 for instance and sonata is priced above the Accord and Teana? That's boom to fail la

Hyundai and Kia should maintain their strategy to price it 15-20% lower than the rivals. That way there's a good reason for people to consider and want to buy a Korean.
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I actually think that those people that thinks HRV is a good buy really need go through their considerations. Especially those that bought the high spec version during it's launching. It was damn expensive, for a few thousand more, can get CX5 GL specs with better specs than HRV plus 3 years of free service (during 2015 when both models were launched, now CX5 price widen further). 1.8L vs 2L road tax not much difference, the CVT is not something exceptional, mazda's interior is better and HRV it's not even a proper SUV...

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Do you have other reason for korean cars losing sales to point out besides poor strategies?

My friend who applied for hmc current status on jobstreet is viewed by employer twice, still no news on interview. Based on his past experience, most likely he'll be rejected. He has put in limited strategies talk in attachment 1mb size as per job ad limitation.
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Do you have other reason for korean cars losing sales to point out besides poor strategies?

My friend who applied for hmc current status on jobstreet is viewed by employer twice, still no news on interview. Based on his past experience, most likely he'll be rejected. He has put in limited strategies talk in attachment 1mb size as per job ad limitation.
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I actually think that those people that thinks HRV is a good buy really need go through their considerations. Especially those that bought the high spec version during it's launching. It was damn expensive, for a few thousand more, can get CX5 GL specs with better specs than HRV plus 3 years of free service (during 2015 when both models were launched, now CX5 price widen further). 1.8L vs 2L road tax not much difference, the CVT is not something exceptional, mazda's interior is better and HRV it's not even a proper SUV...
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Since got 2 friends here, let's label the guy working for Japanese company as Japanese King Strategist while the friend who applied for hmc as Korean strategist hopeful.

Japanese car king strategist just gave advice to Korean strategist hopeful : if korean doesn't hire, just support Japanese brand and his campaign. When new Elantra launch, join Japanese King Strategist research on Elantra's weaknesses and Korean strategies flaw. But volunteer no pay job, help him win sales for Japanese for fun. LOL!

He added Korean strategist hopeful current job is good and stable, no need to join opposition car company. If korean strategist got the job but then lost to Japanese king strategist, likely korean strategist hopeful will lose job after probation end. That could be reason why there's always vacancies for the few same old post like neesun job vacancies. Dangerous to risk and lose jobs nowadays.

Japanese king strategist message to me, just stay neutral & don't get involved or help any brand. So I say 'Ok boss, i'll be good.' Won't ruin his latest strategies for Japanese Pearl harbour invasion.
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Do you have other reason for korean cars losing sales to point out besides poor strategies?

My friend who applied for hmc current status on jobstreet is viewed by employer twice, still no news on interview. Based on his past experience, most likely he'll be rejected. He has put in limited strategies talk in attachment 1mb size as per job ad limitation.
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The kia offer 5years rv guaranty package will be a good move ?

I know thats abit strange , but i think they really trying their best ☺
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They buy becos of looks la hahaha like me

I prefer my HRV interior over the CX5. The CX5 just looks soooooo dated... Not my cup of tea and the rear seating position is very high




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Not only cannot get job, also kena banned in forum. Totally reflects his attitude problem in life.

It's OK to give your opinion. But don't need to mention about hmc not hiring your friend every time please. We know already

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Not only cannot get job, also kena banned in forum. Totally reflects his attitude problem in life.

It's OK to give your opinion. But don't need to mention about hmc not hiring your friend every time please. We know already
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butthurt to the max them

who cares if hyundai and Kia in malaysia losing money and no sales. They have money to cover, let it be la.

keep on cry baby about not using his and sebastian strategy.


now let me csi who he is brows.gif
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butthurt to the max them

who cares if hyundai and Kia in malaysia losing money and no sales. They have money to cover, let it be la.

keep on cry baby about not using his and sebastian strategy.
now let me csi who he is  brows.gif
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QUOTE(monocle @ Mar 23 2017, 04:24 PM)
butthurt to the max them

who cares if hyundai and Kia in malaysia losing money and no sales. They have money to cover, let it be la.

keep on cry baby about not using his and sebastian strategy.
now let me csi who he is  brows.gif
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Yes please, do CSI and if you succeed, you'll find only korean.strategist hopeless coz I don't have internet. Yes, do reveal his identity, when everyone mistaken him as me, Japanese Toyota & Honda might offer him job. FYI, both korean car companies principals & distributors knew him too but they just don't bother to hire him. Why the fuss to trace him when you're not interested to hire him? Unlike you, he is genuine Korean car owner that bought the car with own money, no discount, no free benefits.

Btw, why is your reaction more emo than everyone else here?
1) If you're Korean car owner, you would want to solve the dying korean sales and poor strategies that drive people away.
2) If you're salesman, you would want the same thing.
3) But if you're the strategist that came up with stupid ideas that brought down korean, when people complain lousy strategies, then you terasa & got emo.

Point 3) is most likely your case. You kept saying people don't stick to relevant topic. Looks like you're the most irrelevant veering off topic.
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The kia offer 5years rv guaranty package will be a good move ?

I know thats abit strange , but i think they really trying their best ☺
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No car company dare to give guarantee, only warranty coz afraid have to bear the cost. Under warranty, few things not covered can make money
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No car company dare to give guarantee, only warranty coz afraid have to bear the cost. Under warranty, few things not covered can make money
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Ppl say 5 year rv guarantee u pulak say warranty.

Bodoh

Kia is giving rv guarantee. U say no company dare to give guarantee.

Bodoh x 2

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Yes please, do CSI and if you succeed, you'll find only korean.strategist hopeless coz I don't have internet. Yes, do reveal his identity, when everyone mistaken him as me, Japanese Toyota & Honda might offer him job. FYI, both korean car companies principals & distributors knew him too but they just don't bother to hire him. Why the fuss to trace him when you're not interested to hire him? Unlike you, he is genuine Korean car owner that bought the car with own money, no discount, no free benefits.

Btw, why is your reaction more emo than everyone else here?
1) If you're Korean car owner, you would want to solve the dying korean sales and poor strategies that drive people away.
2) If you're salesman, you would want the same thing.
3) But if you're the strategist that came up with stupid ideas that brought down korean, when people complain lousy strategies, then you terasa & got emo.

Point 3) is most likely your case. You kept saying people don't stick to relevant topic. Looks like you're the most irrelevant veering off topic.
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I am.nobody. I am just driving a second hand e90 320d.

BMW never listen to your strategy that's why 2nd hand value so bad . But it's good for poor drivers like me.

BMW should hire you to give them strategy so that the 2nd hand value of BMW will.be good.
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QUOTE(jacobngen87 @ Mar 23 2017, 07:35 AM)
They buy becos of looks la hahaha like me

I prefer my HRV interior over the CX5. The CX5 just looks soooooo dated... Not my cup of tea and the rear seating position is very high
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The actual reason you and the rest bought HRV mainly because you feel safe and conviced to buy for long term ownership. Looks and design are added advantage, so are good RV, FC, practical to ferry family members.

I used to own Forte and Santa Fe. 2014 & 2015 if not mistaken, the Korean management angered few of my buddies that are good strategists, 1 of them really mad that he gave out strategies to Japanese. Saw korean sales going down then started throwing crazy discount. I quickly sold off both rides before RV drop to nothing. 2015 & 2016 the koreans pissed them more, more aids to Japanese until 1 joined Japanese.

RV of forte still ok coz I bought the car cheap. Santa fe bought rm169k, sold rm70k, rv pooerer than cheaper CRV. If I didn't sell the Santa Fe, today no more value getting like rm3x-40k plus? Can't even afford to buy Mazda 3 on the top up price. Bad strategies really cause poor RV coz they kept throwing price.
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QUOTE(monocle @ Mar 23 2017, 09:28 PM)

Ppl say 5 year rv guarantee u pulak say warranty.

Bodoh

Kia is giving rv guarantee. U say no company dare to give guarantee.

Bodoh x 2

I am.nobody. I am just driving a second hand e90 320d.

BMW never listen to your strategy that's why 2nd hand value so bad . But it's good for poor drivers like me.

BMW should hire you to give them strategy so that the 2nd hand value of BMW will.be good.
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Kia's guarantee is just a name. A real guarantee, anything wrong entire car 1 on 1 exchange. Does Kia offer that?

You terasa and sendiri bodoh want to call korean owners bodoh?

Of course you won't buy korean cars coz you only ask people to buy. You where got care about korean car owners? Only market and sell end up sales people and owners suffer. The few forumners who posted negative comments on Elantra also you failed to counter terpesong go personal attack. Saw your posts before I post here against few forumners.
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QUOTE(jayraptor @ Mar 23 2017, 09:53 PM)
Kia's guarantee is just a name. A real guarantee, anything wrong entire car 1 on 1 exchange. Does Kia offer that?

You terasa and sendiri bodoh want to call korean owners bodoh?

Of course you won't buy korean cars coz you only ask people to buy. You where got care about korean car owners? Only market and sell end up sales people and owners suffer. The few forumners who posted negative comments on Elantra also you failed to counter terpesong go personal attack. Saw your posts before I post here against few forumners.
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U suffer only mah. Those korean owners can afford to lose on 2nd hand value cannot meh?

U talk like all because without your strategy Korean all fail
Your friend went over to japs that's why their car selling

Your friend involve in designing the specs of the new city and new civic in Japan?

Don't talk like because they never listen to you that's why fail.

Member post negative comments on Elentra I fail to counter? Why I want to counter?

Bodoh x 3

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A real.guarantee means car 1 to 1 exchange? Your theory?

I am very free. I will play with you no problem

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A real.guarantee means car 1 to 1 exchange? Your theory?

I am very free. I will play with you no problem
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*grabs popcorn*

Uncle's internet suddenly very good recently. Can reply and 'counter' everyday.
Previously he never surface. Probably because no Korean threads going on. Now got Elantra topic straight come in to bash.

All that hate towards Korean car. Such commitment biggrin.gif

I am Kia Cerato owner. I don't care about the RV. I buy my car because I afford it. No money then don't buy car. It's a liability not asset.
My life is more valuable than RV.
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*grabs popcorn*

Uncle's internet suddenly very good recently. Can reply and 'counter' everyday.
Previously he never surface. Probably because no Korean threads going on. Now got Elantra topic straight come in to bash.

All that hate towards Korean car. Such commitment  biggrin.gif

I am Kia Cerato owner. I don't care about the RV. I buy my car because I afford it. No money then don't buy car. It's a liability not asset.
My life is more valuable than RV.
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Haha. Syok.

He damn butthurt Korean company never use his strategy. So what

And never use his strategy that's why fail in marketing.

And his friend go over Japan company that's why the strategy works.

They must have been involved in designing the new Hondas we see .

What logic is this.

Last time that Sebastian after kena csi direct mia. LMAO
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They buy becos of looks la hahaha like me

I prefer my HRV interior over the CX5. The CX5 just looks soooooo dated... Not my cup of tea and the rear seating position is very high
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If you like the design, then nothing much for me to say like since very subjective personal preference.

But from value for money perspective, HRV and the CX3 (and probably to up coming C HR) are just out of scale. Spend so much money for so little "metal"....again, unless the design is what the buyer aiming for....

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Not only cannot get job, also kena banned in forum. Totally reflects his attitude problem in life.

It's OK to give your opinion. But don't need to mention about hmc not hiring your friend every time please. We know already
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Actually, not much "proper" opinion given, just keep repeating the same sob story of the friends pissed off with Korean principles, left unappreciated, looking for a job (i already give "free advice" to set up own consulting company mah....since the strategy very good, must have reputation right; own business no need to report to manager/principle, no need to suffer office politics, no need to keep feeling unappreciated, no need to wait monthly for meager salary, no need to feel angry whether strategy got applied or not because money already in pocket after strategy consultancy services fees masuk pocket, can earn money from both sides....etc)

I write long nice story before also cannot understand the main point for him to state something factual or proper explanation instead of just barking with the same statement. In the recent Sonata thread, he got some proper discussion mah...don't know why here suddenly change character... sad.gif

Some more the "friend" can claim that EGR need to change at every service interval whistling.gif

QUOTE(jayraptor @ Mar 23 2017, 09:46 PM)
I used to own Forte and Santa Fe. 2014 & 2015 if not mistaken, the Korean management angered few of my buddies that are good strategists, 1 of them really mad that he gave out strategies to Japanese. Saw korean sales going down then started throwing crazy discount. I quickly sold off both rides before RV drop to nothing. 2015 & 2016 the koreans pissed them more, more aids to Japanese until 1 joined Japanese.

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Wa...you damn rich hor....sell off your cars during the 1st 3 years of ownership when the RV drops the most regardless of any car brand....

QUOTE(monocle @ Mar 24 2017, 11:23 AM)
Haha. Syok.

He damn butthurt Korean company never use his strategy. So what

And never use his strategy that's why fail in marketing.

And his friend go over Japan company that's why the strategy works.

They must have been involved in designing the new Hondas we see .

What logic is this.

Last time that Sebastian after kena csi direct mia.  LMAO
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psst.....

Actually hor, president trump won because i'm the secret strategist. It was so secret to the point that his campaign manager don't know about it. Who would have thought that the US presidential candidate would seek consultation from an unknown person from an infamous small country right?? I didn't receive even a small souvenir from him you know...

Hillary proudly snuff off during the campaign period, padan muka, but i and now official president trump laughing every day laugh.gif

(i also can come out with such nice story la....when no need to substantiate, can say any crap also considered as fact....)

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U suffer only mah. Those korean owners can afford to lose on 2nd hand value cannot meh?

U talk like all because without your strategy Korean all fail
Your friend went over to japs that's why their car selling

Your friend involve in designing the specs of the new city and new civic in Japan? 

Don't talk like because they never listen to you that's why fail.

Member post negative comments on Elentra I fail to counter?  Why I want to counter?

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A real.guarantee means car 1 to 1 exchange? Your theory?

I am very free. I will play with you no problem
Japanese King Strategist would like to thank the several of you suspected Korean car marketing (but never bought Korean cars personally) for posting dumb suggestions and comments. He is compiling everything to use these comments you guys posted against your company.

You just showed your poor general knowledge. Marketing strategist objectives are to get people to buy the company's product and also to draw people away from competitor. Your mentality must be thinking that Honda won mainly because of its design and specs. People buy Honda mainly because they feel safe to buy and own for long term.

You assumed Korean car owners don't care about resale value at all. Really? So you want to say those who bought Korean cars today, next 5 or 7 years later, they wanted to buy new car, their own cars cannot sell and only get sympathy trade in RM3k for year end sale of certain models on offer? That means cannot buy Mazda that has no discount normally. Car gets poor RV normally due to poor demand for used unit.

Based on what you said, if @victorr wanted to sell his Cerato few years later, his car cannot sell and poor RV?

You can't tell difference between warranty and guarantee? Here are the difference. You want to doubt, I dare you to ask.around Kopitiam.
1) Warranty, they'll fix or replace faulty part then return the same goods to you.
2) Guarantee, if parts faulty, they go 1 on 1 exchange where you get new goods.
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If you like the design, then nothing much for me to say like since very subjective personal preference.

But from value for money perspective, HRV and the CX3 (and probably to up coming C HR) are just out of scale. Spend so much money for so little "metal"....again, unless the design is what the buyer aiming for....
Actually, not much "proper" opinion given, just keep repeating the same sob story of the friends pissed off with Korean principles, left unappreciated, looking for a job (i already give "free advice" to set up own consulting company mah....since the strategy very good, must have reputation right; own business no need to report to manager/principle, no need to suffer office politics, no need to keep feeling unappreciated, no need to wait monthly for meager salary, no need to feel angry whether strategy got applied or not because money already in pocket after strategy consultancy services fees masuk pocket, can earn money from both sides....etc)

I write long nice story before also cannot understand the main point for him to state something factual or proper explanation instead of just barking with the same statement. In the recent Sonata thread, he got some proper discussion mah...don't know why here suddenly change character...  sad.gif

Some more the "friend" can claim that EGR need to change at every service interval  whistling.gif
Wa...you damn rich hor....sell off your cars during the 1st 3 years of ownership when the RV drops the most regardless of any car brand....
psst.....

Actually hor, president trump won because i'm the secret strategist. It was so secret to the point that his campaign manager don't know about it. Who would have thought that the US presidential candidate would seek consultation from an unknown person from an infamous small country right?? I didn't receive even a small souvenir from him you know...

Hillary proudly snuff off during the campaign period, padan muka, but i and now official president trump laughing every day  laugh.gif

(i also can come out with such nice story la....when no need to substantiate, can say any crap also considered as fact....)
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You jealous people bought HRV? How much discount the ugly sportage offering now? That price is close to HRV highest spec, how come sportage cannot sell? CX3 is expensive at rm130k yet so small and cramped, but it is selling at healthy volume.

The few of you suspected korean staff that are so terasa of own failure, that's why you get mad and began creating stories and changing facts that others posted especially your foes. Based on several people's comments, my friend's prediction all came true. That's why you're all eyesore.

I'm pretty sure my friend that you're referring did not mention EGR change every year. You lost debate now like crybaby trying to throw whatever you can grab. Now that you mentioned, he must be telling you all about my few years old Santa Fe EGR faulty case. It was clogged up with carbon buildup. My Santa Fe began to jerk and few times almost stalled that u have to pump accelerator few times. I sent to SC, they wanted to charge me money for repair while under warranty. I argued and sent to HQ. They finally willing to replace the badly clogged EGR but no spare parts have to order from Korea waited for 1 month. Several owners of Santa and Starex had such problem after 3 or 4 years. Wonder why no spare part when this case is common?

I'm not rich, I spent my EPF to dispose Santa Fe and Forte then fork out extra to buy safer future car. Santa Fe 2.2D brand new rm170k, CRV 2.0L rm145k. 4 years later, CRV can sell higher than Santa. What is this?

You don't know? If a car became cold door until nobody buys, it has not just poor RV but no RV at all that you got no downpayment to buy new car. You call this Ok? Few of you eyesore kiasu losers can't even stick to topic. Japanese King Strategist latest survey statistics on genuine korean car owners that sold off their rides, most of them bought Japanese cars. Chain collision from deteriorating sales and popularity could lead to less spare parts, do you know that?

Cerato before this was cheaper than City V spec, monthly sales already low. Now new Cerato so expensive yet cannot sell, will the sales figures drop more than half since most of the cars sold were Cerato? The new Carnival launching soon, getting the privilege of Van tax rate when launch will be priced at Starex price range, are you planning to kill Starex sales as per your earlier comment blaming cousin brand as cause of your own marketing failure?

I've stated conclusion on solution many times, get proper ace strategists to get on track or risk dropping out of market trend.

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Poor man... dont buy something that will make you lose sleep because it kept depreciating every seconds.

Save your money and take Uber. Better still take KTM or buses.
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Japanese King Strategist would like to thank the several of you suspected Korean car marketing (but never bought Korean cars personally) for posting dumb suggestions and comments. He is compiling everything to use these comments you guys posted against your company.

You just showed your poor general knowledge. Marketing strategist objectives are to get people to buy the company's product and also to draw people away from competitor. Your mentality must be thinking that Honda won mainly because of its design and specs. People buy Honda mainly because they feel safe to buy and own for long term.

You assumed Korean car owners don't care about resale value at all. Really? So you want to say those who bought Korean cars today, next 5 or 7 years later, they wanted to buy new car, their own cars cannot sell and only get sympathy trade in RM3k for year end sale of certain models on offer? That means cannot buy Mazda that has no discount normally.  Car gets poor RV normally due to poor demand for used unit.

Based on what you said, if @victorr wanted to sell his Cerato few years later, his car cannot sell and poor RV?

You can't tell difference between warranty and guarantee? Here are the difference. You want to doubt, I dare you to ask.around Kopitiam.
1) Warranty, they'll fix or replace faulty part then return the same goods to you.
2) Guarantee, if parts faulty, they go 1 on 1 exchange where you get new goods.
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So can you explain why BMW Audi Mercedes rv so bad?

Seems you so powderful strategist
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You still butthurt cause they no use your strategy that's why

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Your assumption is

ALL Korean owners will cry when wan sell car

If the Korean owners are rich , you think they care?

You alone butthurt your car no rv just say la.


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You can't tell difference between warranty and guarantee? Here are the difference. You want to doubt, I dare you to ask.around Kopitiam.
1) Warranty, they'll fix or replace faulty part then return the same goods to you.
2) Guarantee, if parts faulty, they go 1 on 1 exchange where you get new goods.
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Sifu, I think you are getting the wrong idea. He is not talking about warranty vs guarantee. He is talking about the Kia value 5 plus program that guarantee resale value for new Kia customers. Something like a financing package.
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QUOTE(victorr @ Mar 25 2017, 12:07 AM)
Sifu, I think you are getting the wrong idea. He is not talking about warranty vs guarantee. He is talking about the Kia value 5 plus program that guarantee resale value for new Kia customers. Something like a financing package.
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Don't blow his cover mah.. let him give more free powderful strategy


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So when is this late 2015 new Elantra gonna be launched?

It's like talk until cows come home still having launched yet... Hyundai what's happening to you??

So few launches these few years!!

Where's the new accent, i20, i30, Creta?



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So when is this late 2015 new Elantra gonna be launched?

It's like talk until cows come home still having launched yet... Hyundai what's happening to you??

So few launches these few years!!

Where's the new accent, i20, i30, Creta?
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u referring to sime darby? malaysia company known for crawling at the speed of snail
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QUOTE(victorr @ Mar 25 2017, 12:07 AM)
Sifu, I think you are getting the wrong idea. He is not talking about warranty vs guarantee. He is talking about the Kia value 5 plus program that guarantee resale value for new Kia customers. Something like a financing package.
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The Kia value 5 plus program is not guarantee but buyback plan. Car owner's trade in old kia model (covered by this plan) gets half of original price. You bought current Cerato rm120k, 2 months before your Cerato reaches 5th year, they'll take your Cerato half price trade in rm60k. Good move but doesn't fix RV. If they don't solve the poor RV issue, doing so in long run will only add the company's liability since they will have to sell 2nd hand trade in cars at loss. This plan is only limited to 1 month before car is 5 years old. Not later, not earlier.

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QUOTE(jacobngen87 @ Mar 26 2017, 10:58 AM)
So when is this late 2015 new Elantra gonna be launched?

It's like talk until cows come home still having launched yet... Hyundai what's happening to you??

So few launches these few years!!

Where's the new accent, i20, i30, Creta?
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@demetry replying to you as well.

Not just Hyundai, even Kia are slow in launching new models nowadays. Slow sales since 2015, the Koreans are slow in releasing new models. Kia started first with sorento replacement followed by Hyundai Elantra. The last model that was launched fast was Tucson 2016.

Based on speculation and analysis, Kia Rio 2017 might launch soonest at q4 this year while Accent next year end since the new model will be available in US only this year. i20 is accent hatchback, will bring in only if could get good pricing. i30 already failed twice, don't think they'll bring in again. Besides, already got veloster turbo. C segment hatchback less demand anyway.

Creta or ix25, if could get good price might bring in. Don't think they'll pit this against HRV, could hardly stand any chance.

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QUOTE(monocle @ Mar 24 2017, 09:41 PM)
So can you explain why BMW Audi Mercedes rv so bad?

Seems you so powderful  strategist
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Your assumption is

ALL Korean owners will cry when wan sell car

If the Korean owners are rich , you think they care?

You alone butthurt your car no rv just say la.
You marketing strategist don't know why Bmw, Merc, Audi poor resale value? Such simple thing everybody knows. No wonder Korean cars failed to sell because you copied their strategies. Btw, why should I bother to give you free tuition? Because luxury cars resort to play preown sales to challenge grey import and these cars are too expensive to maintain where repairs often about 1k or few K's while unlucky ones dozen K's above. Richman.go for brand new. Not so rich wanted to boast go for 2nd hand. First 2 generations only feel high class to own. Once hit 3rd generation, less.demand, people will say poor guy no money to buy new luxury car.

I don't assume on Korean car owners. I was, several friends and relatives were or are still korean car owners. So are the many unknown to me Korean car owners do hope for someone that could turn the tide and make their cars safe to own for short and long term.
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QUOTE(andrekua2 @ Mar 24 2017, 09:32 PM)
Poor man... dont buy something that will make you lose sleep because it kept depreciating every seconds.

Save your money and take Uber. Better still take KTM or buses.
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Yes, that's why poorman buys car that depreciate annually at stable rate 2nd year onwards. Take uber doesn't save much. Busses and ktm have limitation.

You, monocle and wkc are most likely with distributors. I'm putting my ace strategist into principal company to solve korean cars poor sales and poor RV issues. So what's with all the hostilities btw? You guys think if he joined HMC, he will attack Kia? Good strategist would come up with plans to take on the best, not own cousin. If he succed, whatever strategies that he implemented would benefit the other sibling company.
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QUOTE(jayraptor @ Mar 27 2017, 10:45 PM)
Yes, that's why poorman buys car that depreciate annually at stable rate 2nd year onwards. Take uber doesn't save much. Busses and ktm have limitation.

You, monocle and wkc are most likely with distributors. I'm putting my ace strategist into principal company to solve korean cars poor sales and poor RV issues. So what's with all the hostilities btw? You guys think if he joined HMC, he will attack Kia? Good strategist would come up with plans to take on the best, not own cousin. If he succed, whatever strategies that he implemented would benefit the other sibling company.
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LoL

I really wish your dream came true. Holy, if I'm with the distro, why am I wasting time here... lol... goyang kaki...
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QUOTE(andrekua2 @ Mar 27 2017, 11:15 PM)
LoL

I really wish your dream came true. Holy, if I'm with the distro, why am I wasting time here... lol... goyang kaki...
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Better than you wasting time with wrong strategies end up seeing the korean brand going down. Kia can rely on new Carnival hoping it could sell on affordable large mpv market while forget the other models that failed to challenge Japanese direct competitors. What success have you seen so far? None, only slumping sales.

How many Cerato sold so far? New Civic launched, its design, looks and interior look more stylish than mazda 3 now. Despite this, Mazda 3 could still hold its own ground and sell at good volume. You go conduct survey to see for yourself if don't believe.

Wkc said your company can afford to lose money with poor sales. Market intel of Japanese King Strategist said your company desperate far sales launching carnival in a rush before registration with only 1 test unit available in KL. So obvious that he's telling the opposite story. Chain reaction, people will start thinking negative and drive them away. His intel could even tell Pug salesman transferred to Kia. Are you surprise with his superior intel?
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QUOTE(jayraptor @ Mar 27 2017, 10:37 PM)
You marketing strategist don't know why Bmw, Merc, Audi poor resale value? Such simple thing everybody knows. No wonder Korean cars failed to sell because you copied their strategies. Btw, why should I bother to give you free tuition? Because luxury cars resort to play preown sales to challenge grey import and these cars are too expensive to maintain where repairs often about 1k or few K's while unlucky ones dozen K's above. Richman.go for brand new. Not so rich wanted to boast go for 2nd hand. First 2 generations only feel high class to own. Once hit 3rd generation, less.demand, people will say poor guy no money to buy new luxury car.

I don't assume on Korean car owners. I was,  several friends and relatives were or are still korean car owners. So are the many unknown to me Korean car owners do hope for someone that could turn the tide and make their cars safe to own for short and long term.
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Lol u r slapping your own theory on Korean new cars you know?

Means BMW Mercedes Audi Malaysia their existence is to fight grey import? Lmfao


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LoL

I really wish your dream came true. Holy, if I'm with the distro, why am I wasting time here... lol... goyang kaki...
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Just play the game la bang. Lol. The more he write the more he show how powderful his theory is.

Lmao
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Yes, that's why poorman buys car that depreciate annually at stable rate 2nd year onwards. Take uber doesn't save much. Busses and ktm have limitation.

You, monocle and wkc are most likely with distributors. I'm putting my ace strategist into principal company to solve korean cars poor sales and poor RV issues. So what's with all the hostilities btw? You guys think if he joined HMC, he will attack Kia? Good strategist would come up with plans to take on the best, not own cousin. If he succed, whatever strategies that he implemented would benefit the other sibling company.
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Go balik kampung with your stupid strategist la

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Go balik kampung with your stupid strategist la

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Wow CSI completed?
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QUOTE(jayraptor @ Mar 24 2017, 08:31 PM)
I'm supporting Japanese King Strategist now. Why should I to tell you? Buy Japanese car better, safer buy. Won't end up like my ex-colleague's old optima only get sympathy trade in RM3k when wanted to buy Honda. He tried to sell for few months nobody buy.
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Dude, i respect the fact that you MAYBE a legitimate marketer (although you have yet to prove yourself), hence i just want to give a chance for you to prove to us how/what can be done for that time (which is already 5 years ago and the previous sonata 2.4 is no longer on sale anymore). You can present a case study as it is already past.

And your friend's old optima, how old is it, and what it the condition? We all know that the resale value of the korean brands are definitely lower to the japanese peer, but RM3k is akin to scrap metal pricing and if you want to make a statement that is beyond reason, please present the facts properly. So either your ex-colleague got screwed big time while you stood aside, the car is really is shit condition (eg flooded), he was just wanting to be "humble" or it truly is the market value (but highly extremely doubtful)

My previous workplace sold off an almost 10 year old infamous naza ria and get so much better pricing then your ex-colleague. And best off all, that said MPV had a really bad patch of rusted door panel almost the size of half a palm and the front bonnet's paint and clear coat faded off due constant sun shine, corrosive environment near the sea port and also the plant has raw materials that are acidic in nature. Further, the car only went for a handful of car washes a year. The condition is definitely below average in general.

So would be "nice" if you clarify.

QUOTE(jayraptor @ Mar 24 2017, 08:53 PM)
Japanese King Strategist would like to thank the several of you suspected Korean car marketing (but never bought Korean cars personally) for posting dumb suggestions and comments. He is compiling everything to use these comments you guys posted against your company.

You just showed your poor general knowledge. Marketing strategist objectives are to get people to buy the company's product and also to draw people away from competitor. Your mentality must be thinking that Honda won mainly because of its design and specs. People buy Honda mainly because they feel safe to buy and own for long term.

You assumed Korean car owners don't care about resale value at all. Really? So you want to say those who bought Korean cars today, next 5 or 7 years later, they wanted to buy new car, their own cars cannot sell and only get sympathy trade in RM3k for year end sale of certain models on offer? That means cannot buy Mazda that has no discount normally.  Car gets poor RV normally due to poor demand for used unit.

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Some of us do own korean cars, but you just want to vehemently deny. Nevermind, if you want to play with words, you can ask us to prove our ownership. Nice question, but let us ask you how will you prove our "un-ownership"?? mega_shok.gif

So if we lack general knowledge or lack marketing knowledge, fine. Then educate us with your vast knowledge and superior experience. We are all ready to learn. But beware that some here have hands on knowledge about the technicalities and histories about cars. So if the comments are bull, we'll call the bluff. If it is not clear, those curious will ask for further clarification.

You always stand on the stance of "marketing secrets", then since it is so secret, then keep mum about it la. If you keep want to babble about how shitty is the koreans, you're engaging in negative marketing.

For those that have some sales knowledge (you should have more right??), they will know that merely just shitting the competing product is a very low handed technique and will eventually bring disgust of the audience unless the audience is already biased-ly locked (which most marketers would love to achieve in the shortest time possible).

QUOTE(jayraptor @ Mar 24 2017, 09:27 PM)
The few of you suspected korean staff that are so terasa of own failure, that's why you get mad and began creating stories and changing facts that others posted especially your foes. Based on several people's comments, my friend's prediction all came true. That's why you're all eyesore.

I'm pretty sure my friend that you're referring did not mention EGR change every year. You lost debate now like crybaby trying to throw whatever you can grab. Now that you mentioned, he must be telling you all about my few years old Santa Fe EGR faulty case. It was clogged up with carbon buildup. My Santa Fe began to jerk and few times almost stalled that u have to pump accelerator few times. I sent to SC, they wanted to charge me money for repair while under warranty. I argued and sent to HQ. They finally willing to replace the badly clogged EGR but no spare parts have to order from Korea waited for 1 month. Several owners of Santa and Starex had such problem after 3 or 4 years. Wonder why no spare part when this case is common?

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Who are the suspected ones my dear? wub.gif

My EGR worked fine even at the 7th year of using it. My car didn't stall nor jerk. So question :
1) did you change your engine oil regularly?
2) did you extend your oil change interval more than 6 months constantly?
3) did you do frequent of cold starts/short drives?
4) was your usual drive route unusually dusty?
5) were you caught in the jam most of the time while owning the santa fe?

From my data base (yes, i have my own source from genuine recorded complaints, not mere forums), the only cause of early EGR failure that has similar circumstances with our driving environment was due to high ambient temperature + extensive idling. And as a matter of fact, for all car models with direct injection (without combination of indirect injection), carbonising issue is common, alike those of the VW/Audi and very much so the Peugeot's THP 1.6L engine. In fact, i have a silent worry that my Mazda have the risk of developing the said issue, and i already have a few plans in mind to reduce it.

QUOTE(jayraptor @ Mar 27 2017, 10:45 PM)
You, monocle and wkc are most likely with distributors. I'm putting my ace strategist into principal company to solve korean cars poor sales and poor RV issues. So what's with all the hostilities btw? You guys think if he joined HMC, he will attack Kia? Good strategist would come up with plans to take on the best, not own cousin. If he succed, whatever strategies that he implemented would benefit the other sibling company.
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I for one (whether you believe or not) doesn't work for the Koreans. As i stated before, if a marketer was lurking around spying, highly likely will just silently observe and if want to comment, will blend in like what normal forummers do.

Unlike you, and your friend who shout out loud and more than once (obviously), I'M THE SUPER STRATEGIST TO KILL THE KOREAN BRANDS. So when you keep harping on this, you surely garner attention, definitely more eyes will be on you because only you and your friend (from the years of using this forum), dare to state this statement. Even the real sales agents don't do that and properly answer queries properly and direct their marketing in the proper channel (garage zone) without your "attention seeking" anti marketing statements whistling.gif

QUOTE(jayraptor @ Mar 27 2017, 11:44 PM)
Wkc said your company can afford to lose money with poor sales.
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Please quote where did i mentioned that my dear wub.gif

Dude, in short, keep your pride (same for the "king strategist") in check. If cannot engage in constructive conversation in the forum due to "industrial marketing secrets", then stay mum and DESTROY THE ARSED UP KOREANS. Most of us heck care, because we won't know until you and your friend start showing up. Whether you realise or not, you present yourself like the savior, so people will of course take note as seriously, YOU 2 DUDES ARE THE ONLY ONES OUTRAGEOUS ENOUGH TO CLAIM TO BE THE "MESSAIAH" OF THE CAR INDUSTRY in Fast and Furious.

If you can't and still like to harp, who will not notice with such statements constantly? You're almost just short of saying to kowtow to you or king strategist (or be very afraid???!!! yawn.gif ) and we will want you to prove yourself. Then you repeat the similar marketing strategy secrets statements, then it goes on an infinite cycle. Faham??

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No good la....name the person publicly like that....

But I'm really curious, how old is this guy?
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No good la....name the person publicly like that....

But I'm really curious, how old is this guy?
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Fuh your reply.. although us tldr but I also read finish..


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Fuh your reply.. although us tldr but I also read finish..
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When he quote me improperly and also simply accuse, want to teach that fellor a lesson.

Tapi gua tau orang tu tak fasih

How old this fellow ar?
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When he quote me improperly and also simply accuse, want to teach that fellor a lesson.

Tapi gua tau orang tu tak fasih

How old this fellow ar?
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1 agree on you statement.

Wan let ppl kao tao to him.
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Adui, Elantra car tered became strategist car tered tongue.gif

Sway too much from the original intention of this topic liao!





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Adui, Elantra car tered became strategist car tered tongue.gif

Sway too much from the original intention of this topic liao!
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QUOTE(monocle @ Mar 28 2017, 08:11 AM)
Lol u r slapping your own theory on Korean new cars you know?

Means BMW Mercedes Audi Malaysia their existence is to fight grey import? Lmfao


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Go balik kampung with your stupid strategist la

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Now everyone knows why korean cars failed. People talk A you talk B, no wonder failed to bring up korean brand.

My statement didn't mention to fight only grey import but to challenge grey import with its preowmed units. You top up more, you can get confirmed safe preowned BMW or Merc.

You failed marketing people really like to create names for rivals probably named upon some salesman from next door Japanese showrooms. You're the dumbest cyber marketing here compared to the other 2. Are you just salesman? Can't stick to debate topic?
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Now everyone knows why korean cars failed. People talk A you talk B, no wonder failed to bring up korean brand.

My statement didn't mention to fight only grey import but to challenge grey import with its preowmed units. You top up more, you can get confirmed safe preowned BMW or Merc.

You failed marketing people really like to create names for rivals probably named upon some salesman from next door Japanese showrooms. You're the dumbest cyber marketing here compared to the other 2. Are you just salesman? Can't stick to debate topic?
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Cyber marketing.. omfg. Lol u just go back to your cave with your powderful strategy please. The more u talk the more stupid u r showing the whole world.

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Btw u said rich man go for brand new BMW.

Can rich man go for brand new Korean?
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Dude, i respect the fact that you MAYBE a legitimate marketer (although you have yet to prove yourself), hence i just want to give a chance for you to prove to us how/what can be done for that time (which is already 5 years ago and the previous sonata 2.4 is no longer on sale anymore). You can present a case study as it is already past.

And your friend's old optima, how old is it, and what it the condition? We all know that the resale value of the korean brands are definitely lower to the japanese peer, but RM3k is akin to scrap metal pricing and if you want to make a statement that is beyond reason, please present the facts properly. So either your ex-colleague got screwed big time while you stood aside, the car is really is shit condition (eg flooded), he was just wanting to be "humble" or it truly is the market value (but highly extremely doubtful)

My previous workplace sold off an almost 10 year old infamous naza ria and get so much better pricing then your ex-colleague. And best off all, that said MPV had a really bad patch of rusted door panel almost the size of half a palm and the front bonnet's paint and clear coat faded off due constant sun shine,  corrosive environment near the sea port and also the plant has raw materials that are acidic in nature. Further, the car only went for a handful of car washes a year. The condition is definitely below average in general.

So would be "nice" if you clarify.
Some of us do own korean cars, but you just want to vehemently deny. Nevermind, if you want to play with words, you can ask us to prove our ownership. Nice question, but let us ask you how will you prove our "un-ownership"??  mega_shok.gif

So if we lack general knowledge or lack marketing knowledge, fine. Then educate us with your vast knowledge and superior experience. We are all ready to learn. But beware that some here have hands on knowledge about the technicalities and histories about cars. So if the comments are bull, we'll call the bluff. If it is not clear, those curious will ask for further clarification.

You always stand on the stance of "marketing secrets", then since it is so secret, then keep mum about it la. If you keep want to babble about how shitty is the koreans, you're engaging in negative marketing.

For those that have some sales knowledge (you should have more right??), they will know that merely just shitting the competing product is a very low handed technique and will eventually bring disgust of the audience unless the audience is already biased-ly locked (which most marketers would love to achieve in the shortest time possible).
Who are the suspected ones my dear?  wub.gif

My EGR worked fine even at the 7th year of using it. My car didn't stall nor jerk. So question :
1) did you change your engine oil regularly?
2) did you extend your oil change interval more than 6 months constantly?
3) did you do frequent of cold starts/short drives?
4) was your usual drive route unusually dusty?
5) were you caught in the jam most of the time while owning the santa fe?

From my data base (yes, i have my own source from genuine recorded complaints, not mere forums), the only cause of early EGR failure that has similar circumstances with our driving environment was due to high ambient temperature + extensive idling. And as a matter of fact, for all car models with direct injection (without combination of indirect injection), carbonising issue is common, alike those of the VW/Audi and very much so the Peugeot's THP 1.6L engine. In fact, i have a silent worry that my Mazda have the risk of developing the said issue, and i already have a few plans in mind to reduce it.
I for one (whether you believe or not) doesn't work for the Koreans. As i stated before, if a marketer was lurking around spying, highly likely will just silently observe and if want to comment, will blend in like what normal forummers do.

Unlike you, and your friend who shout out loud and more than once (obviously), I'M THE SUPER STRATEGIST TO KILL THE KOREAN BRANDS. So when you keep harping on this, you surely garner attention, definitely more eyes will be on you because only you and your friend (from the years of using this forum), dare to state this statement. Even the real sales agents don't do that and properly answer queries properly and direct their marketing in the proper channel (garage zone) without your "attention seeking" anti marketing statements  whistling.gif
Please quote where did i mentioned that my dear  wub.gif

Dude, in short, keep your pride (same for the "king strategist") in check. If cannot engage in constructive conversation in the forum due to "industrial marketing secrets", then stay mum and DESTROY THE ARSED UP KOREANS. Most of us heck care, because we won't know until you and your friend start showing up. Whether you realise or not, you present yourself like the savior, so people will of course take note as seriously, YOU 2 DUDES ARE THE ONLY ONES OUTRAGEOUS ENOUGH TO CLAIM TO BE THE "MESSAIAH" OF THE CAR INDUSTRY in Fast and Furious.

If you can't and still like to harp, who will not notice with such statements constantly? You're almost just short of saying to kowtow to you or king strategist (or be very afraid???!!!  yawn.gif  ) and we will want you to prove yourself. Then you repeat the similar marketing strategy secrets statements, then it goes on an infinite cycle. Faham??
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I'm not related to automotive before and after retirement. Totally different field and my research on cars are mostly past time hobby.

Japanese King Strategist said don't post anything that could help any cars, so I don't say. FYI, I'm now more of sports commentator, only talk on the match competition, not helping you solve your problem. You want savior to save you and your company, ask your principal to hire real strategist especially 1 that own and will buy korean cars using own money. Not just pick someone with mba, phd, etc but knew nothing about people's cars yet won't buy korean cars at all.

That Japanese King Strategist that korean principal braindrained to Japanese rival is showing everyone what he's capable of since day 1. That's sending korean back to its darkest era, help his Japanese company seize remaining shares and earn big bonus and promotion, pay rise opportunities. He is like LCW beating up rival badminton rookies that don't stand a chance. If korean strategist hopeless employed by HMC or KMC, then sure exciting match having Lin Dan to challenge LCW. Will keep you guys stay tune on the next match results. Seems like Japanese King Strategist is leading far ahead.
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I'm not related to automotive before and after retirement. Totally different field and my research on cars are mostly past time hobby.

Japanese King Strategist said don't post anything that could help any cars, so I don't say. FYI, I'm now more of sports commentator, only talk on the match competition, not helping you solve your problem. You want savior to save you and your company, ask your principal to hire real strategist especially 1 that own and will buy korean cars using own money. Not just pick someone with mba, phd, etc but knew nothing about people's cars yet won't buy korean cars at all.

That Japanese King Strategist that korean principal braindrained to Japanese rival is showing everyone what he's capable of since day 1. That's sending korean back to its darkest era, help his Japanese company seize remaining shares and earn big bonus and promotion, pay rise opportunities. He is like LCW beating up rival badminton rookies that don't stand a chance. If korean strategist hopeless employed by HMC or KMC, then sure exciting match having Lin Dan to challenge LCW. Will keep you guys stay tune on the next match results. Seems like Japanese King Strategist is leading far ahead.
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Lmao la you. Now pulak become sport commentator.
Your strategy kena buttsek by your boss bow you become sport commentator?

Fukken made my day man.
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Who cares whether Japanese company beat the hell out of Korean or the other way round. 99.9% of the forumers here are just ordinary car owners and not linked to the automotive industry. Those who wanted to talk about marketing strategies should just open another thread and talk until the cows come home.
So can we stick to the topic and discuss about the New Elantra ?
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Lmao la you. Now pulak become sport commentator.
Your strategy kena buttsek by your boss bow you become sport commentator?

Fukken made my day man.
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Again trying to win when everyone here knew i'm retired. You're truly korean version of Sam Loo. Even real Sam Loo already been through reeducation and able to talk some common sense. You so backward probably driven by desperation taking whatever you can throw. Tell me, how's your poor sales doing? Times are bad and buyers are more careful in buying cars especially. Your car only got look and gadgets doesn't bring good sales. You keep shooting at commentator or referee, the public sees you as loser venting anger because of not able to beat your competing rival. Yesterday you happily insulted my friend, today he defeated you. Tomorrow he won flawless.

Btw, what's your prediction and thoughts on new Elantra that will be priced at Japanese price range? To you, Elantra 2.0 rm120k vs Cerato 2.0 only? How to beat Civic 1.8 and mazda 2.0l? What do the 2 korean c segments got that could challenge Civic and mazda 3?'
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Suddenly I become Korean salesman.. lol

Nobody cares la the if Korean wanna beat japs. The japs beat Korean so what?

You are the one who keep bising Korean sales bad la, no resale value la, spare part expensive la.

All because they don't listen to your strategy.

Is all because Korean do t trust you that's why they fail.

Everything happens all because of you

Cry father cry mother about Korean strategy no good because they don't listen to you.


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Add on. You say everybody knew you're retired?

LOL
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I'm not related to automotive before and after retirement. Totally different field and my research on cars are mostly past time hobby.

Japanese King Strategist said don't post anything that could help any cars, so I don't say. FYI, I'm now more of sports commentator, only talk on the match competition, not helping you solve your problem. You want savior to save you and your company, ask your principal to hire real strategist especially 1 that own and will buy korean cars using own money. Not just pick someone with mba, phd, etc but knew nothing about people's cars yet won't buy korean cars at all.

That Japanese King Strategist that korean principal braindrained to Japanese rival is showing everyone what he's capable of since day 1. That's sending korean back to its darkest era, help his Japanese company seize remaining shares and earn big bonus and promotion, pay rise opportunities. He is like LCW beating up rival badminton rookies that don't stand a chance. If korean strategist hopeless employed by HMC or KMC, then sure exciting match having Lin Dan to challenge LCW. Will keep you guys stay tune on the next match results. Seems like Japanese King Strategist is leading far ahead.
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rclxms.gif rclxms.gif rclxms.gif

The bolded words shows how great thou imagination and speculation on us puke.gif

People ask clarification, don't want to answer

People ask explanation, don't want to give

People ask for "education", but constantly sounds like teaching something not related, then repeat same thing like clockwork?? confused.gif

Aih....your friend, since day 1, so talented, so much foresight, so wise, great ideas, such a conqueror, such arrogance....maybe the characteristics of a great leader??!!

But hor.....your great strategist friend, i'm so very much surprised that he is stuck listening to your defends against our "farts" here instead of being at least in the regional office or in China/HQ/US/Europe? Such a waste of talent.... our market here so tiny kecil....should really go into politics to help the greater good or be at a much higher position than here.....

QUOTE(monocle @ Mar 28 2017, 10:39 PM)
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kan dah kata ni, tak fasih, skrang nampak cam tak masuk akal

Notice the capital letters for "K"ing "S"trategist...wow....just wow..... mega_shok.gif

Your comment made laugh and bang table biggrin.gif

QUOTE(throx @ Mar 28 2017, 10:56 PM)
Who cares whether Japanese company beat the hell out of Korean or the other way round. 99.9% of the forumers here are just ordinary car owners and not linked to the automotive industry. Those who wanted to talk about marketing strategies should just open another thread and talk until the cows come home.
So can we stick to the topic and discuss about the New Elantra ?
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Good question, but go ask jayraptor suddenly barge in and gave a fantastical tirade on how wonderful the strategies are and how the koreans suck when no one was asking for one. If you have the patience to look a few pages before, suddenly got a strategy prophet come kacau. Just a troll that just seeks attention, in the wrong venue and wrong manner.

Some of us here have a taste of his "insightful facts" on a number of occasions that are either blatantly bull, or very much unclarified in the most mannered way to describe. Extremely arrogant, give him a little reality rundown.

QUOTE(jayraptor @ Mar 28 2017, 11:04 PM)
Again trying to win when everyone here knew i'm retired. You're truly korean version of Sam Loo. Even real Sam Loo already been through reeducation and able to talk some common sense. You so backward probably driven by desperation taking whatever you can throw. Tell me, how's your poor sales doing? Times are bad and buyers are more careful in buying cars especially. Your car only got look and gadgets doesn't bring good sales. You keep shooting at commentator or referee, the public sees you as loser venting anger because of not able to beat your competing rival. Yesterday you happily insulted my friend, today he defeated you. Tomorrow he won flawless.

Btw, what's your prediction and thoughts on new Elantra that will be priced at Japanese price range? To you, Elantra 2.0 rm120k vs Cerato 2.0 only? How to beat Civic 1.8 and mazda 2.0l? What do the 2 korean c segments got that could challenge Civic and mazda 3?'
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Ermmm......uh.....so??

And anyway, in short, your word against our word, but most that are here long enough will know that you (or your great friend) have all that needs to be proved, but we don't need to whistling.gif

Kawan, good night yo icon_rolleyes.gif Sleeping late causes aging to accelerate.

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QUOTE(wkc5657 @ Mar 28 2017, 11:39 PM)
rclxms.gif  rclxms.gif  rclxms.gif

The bolded words shows how great thou imagination and speculation on us  puke.gif

People ask clarification, don't want to answer

People ask explanation, don't want to give

People ask for "education", but constantly sounds like teaching something not related, then repeat same thing like clockwork??  :confused:

Aih....your friend, since day 1, so talented, so much foresight, so wise, great ideas, such a conqueror, such arrogance....maybe the characteristics of a great leader??!!

But hor.....your great strategist friend, i'm so very much surprised that he is stuck listening to your defends against our "farts" here instead of being at least in the regional office or in China/HQ/US/Europe? Such a waste of talent.... our market here so tiny kecil....should really go into politics to help the greater good or be at a much higher position than here.....
kan dah kata ni, tak fasih, skrang nampak cam tak masuk akal

Notice the capital letters for "K"ing "S"trategist...wow....just wow..... mega_shok.gif

Your comment made laugh and bang table  biggrin.gif
Good question, but go ask jayraptor suddenly barge in and gave a fantastical tirade on how wonderful the strategies are and how the koreans suck when no one was asking for one. If you have the patience to look a few pages before, suddenly got a strategy prophet come kacau. Just a troll that just seeks attention, in the wrong venue and wrong manner.

Some of us here have a taste of his "insightful facts" on a number of occasions that are either blatantly bull, or very much unclarified in the most mannered way to describe. Extremely arrogant, give him a little reality rundown.
Ermmm......uh.....so??

And anyway, in short, your word against our word, but most that are here long enough will know that you (or your great friend) have all that needs to be proved, but we don't need to  whistling.gif

Kawan, good night yo  icon_rolleyes.gif Sleeping late causes aging to accelerate.
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Venting anger at commentator again? Sports commentator only talk about the events, not teaching athletes how to win. Well, he is now the King Strategist since none of his rivals could put up challenge. The results these past few months look like he kept smashing and scoring unopposed by Korean defenders.

Fasih = fluent in English
Do you know that? You seems to have mistook it as something else. Better you stick to English because your BM really failed badly.

My comments on Korean cars losing sales are taken from survey on korean car owners conducted by your rival actually. I only added 1 solution as tips for you desperate people. Won't offer anything else. I do sleep early and get enough 8 hours daily. Thank you for your concern, I do exercise every morning and eat healthy food too.

You look more like troll instead blaming hyundai for causing poor Kia sales that hyundai should wind up. Look back history, it was Cerato that could not sell end up throwing price first that caused Elantra to follow suit. So why are you here then? To bring down Elantra hoping to steal its tiny sales instead of challenging Japanese Civic, Altis, Mazda 3? If new Elantra gets the existing 1.8L carried forward, then it could sell at rm112k price range.
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Unwanted as in spam or unwanted as in you don't agree with it?

If it's the one above - people are entitled their opinion BUT do let us know if they cross the line, as in continually visiting the thread just to provoke / harass. We'll take action on those.

It's actually very simple - if you don't like a particular car make or brand, voice your opinion once and it's enough. Repeating it makes one sound like a broken record, and as you know those will get thrown away.
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QUOTE(jayraptor @ Mar 29 2017, 10:58 PM)
Venting anger at commentator again? Sports commentator only talk about the events, not teaching athletes how to win. Well, he is now the King Strategist since none of his rivals could put up challenge. The results these past few months look like he kept smashing and scoring unopposed by Korean defenders.

Fasih = fluent in English
Do you know that? You seems to have mistook it as something else. Better you stick to English because your BM really failed badly.

My comments on Korean cars losing sales are taken from survey on korean car owners conducted by your rival actually. I only added 1 solution as tips for you desperate people. Won't offer anything else. I do sleep early and get enough 8 hours daily. Thank you for your concern, I do exercise every morning and eat healthy food too.

You look more like troll instead blaming hyundai for causing poor Kia sales that hyundai should wind up. Look back history, it was Cerato that could not sell end up throwing price first that caused Elantra to follow suit. So why are you here then? To bring down Elantra hoping to steal its tiny sales instead of challenging Japanese Civic, Altis, Mazda 3? If new Elantra gets the existing 1.8L carried forward, then it could sell at rm112k price range.
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Good BM lesson, i checked dictionary, i used the wrong word.

Well, are you being the "commentator" who suppose to be objective/impartial, or just don't want to say directly that you are the brand promoter for japs??

When people come to give an opposing opinion to yours, it "always" turns out that the person is working for hyundai/kia hor mega_shok.gif

Pricing the Elantra 1.8L at 112k with MYR at such bad state, almost impossible to be in a survivable margin considering that the koreans don't have localisation options to the extent like toyota/honda. If brought in with the torsion beam option to save cost, it will be the same argument you did before where you (or your friend) who compared very favourably towards the Honda Civic's multi link. With the koreans cornered and out of option, they should only bring in the full fledged 1.6T to be the segment leader in performance and price it around 125k - 130k.

But anyway, enough has been said. Whatever we say that are alternative to your views regarding to koreans, it will always end up with the "heads you win, tails we lose" type of situation or that we are trying to spy on the King's strategies or that we are useless people working for the korean brands. The discussion will always have this type of conclusion doh.gif

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Unwanted as in spam or unwanted as in you don't agree with it?

If it's the one above - people are entitled their opinion BUT do let us know if they cross the line, as in continually visiting the thread just to provoke / harass. We'll take action on those.

It's actually very simple - if you don't like a particular car make or brand, voice your opinion once and it's enough. Repeating it makes one sound like a broken record, and as you know those will get thrown away.
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as a spam due to comment not related to thread subject...

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QUOTE(goldfries @ Mar 30 2017, 08:22 AM)
Unwanted as in spam or unwanted as in you don't agree with it?

If it's the one above - people are entitled their opinion BUT do let us know if they cross the line, as in continually visiting the thread just to provoke / harass. We'll take action on those.

It's actually very simple - if you don't like a particular car make or brand, voice your opinion once and it's enough. Repeating it makes one sound like a broken record, and as you know those will get thrown away.
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Greetings goldfries, haven't replied to you for some time since few years back when I requested for advice on new rig and gtx960 gpu.

Just to let you know that the few who reported against me here do not own korean cars in the first place neither would buy korean cars personally. Whereas I am genuine Korean car owner as per most of my old posts before this. About 3 years ago, your colleague (moderator) too voiced out and condemned about his Cerato in korean car thread on oil leakage. I helped him rectified the issue caused by poor service centre changing oil.causing the leak. Mid 2014 onwards, the korean marketing gone really bad that turned people away.

As korean owner I voiced out and pointed at the cause and issue that led to real poor korean car sales just like your colleague and my friend that was banned. Since you're here, can you make it clear whether people that owned korean cars pointing out weaknesses especially when touches poor marketing strategies and management liable to getting banned? As what my friend told me that he was banned after several forumners (similar to the one who reported against me) filed several complain against him. Few months later, all his predictions came true where ioniq, cerato really failed to sell, just like how he predicted on Tucson 2016 few months before launch, accurately pointing out the cause based on real survey report & analysis.

As for relevant to topic, I am sticking to Elantra still. Fact is they don't solve the problem, the car failed to sell. Is this considered spam when poor sales of new korean cars and bad public perception actually bring adverse effects to existing korean car owners?
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Lol. Your taichi damn kuat.

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New elantra 2017 looking interesting, especially with turbo variant.
Not sure HSDM will bring in all the LKAS, Blind spot etc similar to Ioniq.

But all these will turn a sour point when HSDM fitting subpar HU into Hyundai's car.
Basic stuff with no Apple Carplay / Android Auto.

The preview NEW TUSCON had OEM HU with android OS instead of Hyundai's BlueLink OS puke.gif makes the whole car felt cheap.

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But all these will turn a sour point when HSDM fitting subpar HU into Hyundai's car.
Basic stuff with no Apple Carplay / Android Auto.

The preview NEW TUSCON had OEM HU with android OS instead of Hyundai's BlueLink OS  puke.gif makes the whole car felt cheap.
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This is the issue, well addressed in Bobby Ang's review (EVO mag) of Tucson. What for sell cheaper than the Japanese but offer lower grade HU? If the owner include the cost of changing the HU and related things to rival those Japanese offerings, the price involved could be just similar or more - might as well just get Jap and save the hassle.

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QUOTE(shakku @ Mar 31 2017, 02:50 PM)
New elantra 2017 looking interesting, especially with turbo variant.
Not sure HSDM will bring in all the LKAS, Blind spot etc similar to Ioniq.

But all these will turn a sour point when HSDM fitting subpar HU into Hyundai's car.
Basic stuff with no Apple Carplay / Android Auto.

The preview NEW TUSCON had OEM HU with android OS instead of Hyundai's BlueLink OS  puke.gif makes the whole car felt cheap.
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What does HU stand for? If OEM and HUD I know. I would prefer they give high quality DK nappa leather with anti-heat resistant instead of gadgets. The Elantra MD 2011 high spec that is owned by my colleague, some of these gadgets began to fail and can be irritating. The same thing experienced by korean strategist hopeless forte. Gadgets only fun when new, but later on already nothing no feel. Another friend that owned santa fe 2013, he find the MFD touchscreen and gps useless less user friendly.
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QUOTE(wkc5657 @ Mar 30 2017, 11:40 AM)
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Good BM lesson, i checked dictionary, i used the wrong word.

Well, are you being the "commentator" who suppose to be objective/impartial, or just don't want to say directly that you are the brand promoter for japs??

When people come to give an opposing opinion to yours, it "always" turns out that the person is working for hyundai/kia hor  mega_shok.gif 

Pricing the Elantra 1.8L at 112k with MYR at such bad state, almost impossible to be in a survivable margin considering that the koreans don't have localisation options to the extent like toyota/honda. If brought in with the torsion beam option to save cost, it will be the same argument you did before where you (or your friend) who compared very favourably towards the Honda Civic's multi link. With the koreans cornered and out of option, they should only bring in the full fledged 1.6T to be the segment leader in performance and price it around 125k - 130k.

But anyway, enough has been said. Whatever we say that are alternative to your views regarding to koreans, it will always end up with the "heads you win, tails we lose" type of situation or that we are trying to spy on the King's strategies or that we are useless people working for the korean brands. The discussion will always have this type of conclusion  doh.gif
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Elantra 1.8L priced at rm112k would stand better chance to sell than 2.0L.at rm120k. Look at cerato 2.0L at rm120k, you'll need to convince people to fork out more to forgo Civic 1.8L and Mazda 3 2.0L low spec that are priced at rm112k.

What localisation are you referring? The 2011-2016 Elantra is CKD at kulim kedah.

Elantra 1.6T is only as higher end option, there's still need for lower price variant. Is it ideal to bring in 1.6L if it's priced at rm100k if there's 1.8L at rm112k? The new Accent if product planning team brought in 1.6L, it'll be priced at rm90k range.
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One Australian company has timed the 0-100km/hr of the DCT Auto Elantra Sport at a blazing 6.87 sec. I guess that makes it king of the C-segment in power beating the Honda Civic Turbo, Mazda 3, Jetta, Ford Focus, Peugeot 408T, etc. It will even put a BMW 320i to shame.



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One Australian company has timed the 0-100km/hr of the DCT Auto Elantra Sport at a blazing 6.87 sec. I guess that makes it king of the C-segment in power beating the Honda Civic Turbo, Mazda 3, Jetta, Ford Focus, Peugeot 408T, etc. It will even put a BMW 320i to shame.


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QUOTE(jayraptor @ Mar 31 2017, 10:16 PM)
What does HU stand for? If OEM and HUD I know. I would prefer they give high quality DK nappa leather with anti-heat resistant instead of gadgets. The Elantra MD 2011 high spec that is owned by my colleague, some of these gadgets began to fail and can be irritating. The same thing experienced by korean strategist hopeless forte. Gadgets only fun when new, but later on already nothing no feel. Another friend that owned santa fe 2013, he find the MFD touchscreen and gps useless less user friendly.
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HU = Headunit
The multimedia display that replaces conventional radio.
Starting 2016 onwards, most cars (including Hyundai) will have Android Auto / Apple Carplay compatibility.

It functions like a mirror from smartphone, so no more outdated GPS or music etc.
Sooner or later, most cars will not have dedicated GPS built in.


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QUOTE(dstl1128 @ Mar 31 2017, 04:00 PM)
This is the issue, well addressed in Bobby Ang's review (EVO mag) of Tucson. What for sell cheaper than the Japanese but offer lower grade HU? If the owner include the cost of changing the HU and related things to rival those Japanese offerings, the price involved could be just similar or more - might as well just get Jap and save the hassle.
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HSDM will need to justify 30% local content.
There's alot things can outsourced to local content - tires, mirrors, lights, carpets etc, but never ever touch electronics, sensors, HU etc.

HSDM throw the whole kitchen sink for Ioniq hoping to catch sales, but they forgot that water taps comes with the sink sweat.gif
And honestly, how much does HU costs these day?
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The HU that came with Sienta (again via Bobby Ang youtube lol), is so superior than the HU in Ioniq, higher res and the DVD/CD slot is hidden behind the screen. And I believe it is a 'local content' HU.

Seriously, an almost 120k car has worse HU than a sub-100k car?
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QUOTE(Ginny88 @ Apr 3 2017, 09:42 PM)
One Australian company has timed the 0-100km/hr of the DCT Auto Elantra Sport at a blazing 6.87 sec. I guess that makes it king of the C-segment in power beating the Honda Civic Turbo, Mazda 3, Jetta, Ford Focus, Peugeot 408T, etc. It will even put a BMW 320i to shame.
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1.6t ?
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And honestly, how much does HU costs these day?
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True headunit hardware costs few hundred ringgit at most, it is the software that also costs money.

It's like windows OS disc, cost maybe RM1/pc, but the actual license at least RM100.


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1.6t ?
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yes, but that one just don't hope to replicate it here as our weather is hot and humid. Lesser dense air = lesser oxygen = lesser oomph in combustion = lesser power to the wheels laugh.gif

Still a nice competition to the Civic turbo. Can have a little review comparison here


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Civic Turbo if installed RaceChips will produce similar output as the Elantra Turbo!

...and void the warranty tongue.gif


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Civic Turbo if installed RaceChips will produce similar output as the Elantra Turbo!

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After everything is said n done..

Knowing our malaysian market.. even if it is a better car.. itll be hard to beat the civic FC's perception.. n unless they sell it cheaper.. no way will it outsell de Honda..
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The Elantra Sport will usher in a new era in motoring for Malaysians who yearn for a powerful yet family oriented and fun car for everyday driving. For too long have Malaysian drivers found that they need to make an unpalatable trade-off between power and maintenance. At present practically all powerful turbo cars are Continental makes with high maintenance costs and fearful unreliability. They come from marques like Ford, Peugeot, VW, BMW or Mercedes to name a few. The Mazda 3 came close but being NA does not give the kick. Sadly the eagerly awaited Honda Civc turbo does not go far enough. It was only lightly turboed for economy and letdown by a lazy CVT transmission. An almost exciting car but quite not there yet.

But hope comes in the form of a Korean car. Enter the Elantra Sport like a ray of sunshine. At long last ordinary Malaysians can buy a powerful yet easy to maintain car with good reliability and acceptable maintenance cost without having to step fearfully into Continental cars or go hardcore like the Civic Type R. A driver's car which you did not have to mortgage your house for or forfeit your annual leave. This will be a game changer in the local automobile scene; the dawn of a new era in motoring that will rise up like the sun.
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QUOTE(KennyKB @ Apr 4 2017, 04:26 PM)
The Elantra Sport will usher in a new era in motoring for Malaysians who yearn for a powerful yet family oriented and fun car for everyday driving. For too long have Malaysian drivers found that they need to make an unpalatable trade-off between power and maintenance. At present practically all powerful turbo cars are Continental makes with high maintenance costs and fearful unreliability. They come from marques like Ford, Peugeot, VW, BMW or Mercedes to name a few. The Mazda 3 came close but being NA does not give the kick. Sadly the eagerly awaited Honda Civc turbo does not go far enough. It was only lightly turboed for economy and letdown by a lazy CVT transmission. An almost exciting car but quite not there yet.

But hope comes in the form of a Korean car. Enter the Elantra Sport like a ray of sunshine. At long last ordinary Malaysians can buy a powerful yet easy to maintain car with good reliability and acceptable maintenance cost without having to step fearfully into Continental cars or go hardcore like the Civic Type R. A driver's car which you did not have to mortgage your house for or forfeit your annual leave. This will be a game changer in the local automobile scene; the dawn of a new era in motoring that will rise up like the sun.
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Wa....your write up shocking.gif

It come with DCT, so there are some quirks associated to it and hope that our market consumers really accepts it. But their DCTs seemed to be quite ok till date from what i can find around the net.
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After everything is said n done..

Knowing our malaysian market.. even if it is a better car.. itll be hard to beat the civic FC's perception.. n unless they sell it cheaper.. no way will it outsell de Honda..
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QUOTE(shakku @ Apr 4 2017, 11:58 AM)
HU = Headunit
The multimedia display that replaces conventional radio.
Starting 2016 onwards, most cars (including Hyundai) will have Android Auto / Apple Carplay compatibility.

It functions like a mirror from smartphone, so no more outdated GPS or music etc.
Sooner or later, most cars will not have dedicated GPS built in.
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HSDM will need to justify 30% local content.
There's alot things can outsourced to local content - tires, mirrors, lights, carpets etc, but never ever touch electronics, sensors, HU etc.

HSDM throw the whole kitchen sink for Ioniq hoping to catch sales, but they forgot that water taps comes with the sink  sweat.gif
And honestly, how much does HU costs these day?
Thanks, noted. It was called MFD (multi function display) before this. It was adopted from fighter jets cockpit MFD just like HUD.

If they brought in bulk, should be in low hundred only. Cheap china made if low quality 1 should be real cheap.

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QUOTE(dirtrun @ Apr 4 2017, 04:20 PM)
After everything is said n done..

Knowing our malaysian market.. even if it is a better car.. itll be hard to beat the civic FC's perception.. n unless they sell it cheaper.. no way will it outsell de Honda..
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This is absolutely true, whatever performance, it is the strategies and marketing skill that determine winner when comes to sales. Civic 1.5T 0-100kmh in 8s, Veloster 1.6T with 7speed DCT takes 8s. Kia Koup 1.6T with 6AT gearbox 0.2-0.3s faster than veloster turbo. Elantra 1.6T at 7.7s, any claim way faster than that, could be highly tweaked to very fuel thirsty and void warranty.

Bmw 320I is heavier than Japanese, Korean D-segment with more focus on NVH, handling and stability at speed. Same goes to pug, citroen, 1.6T where efficient FC is part of the concern.

Kia Koup & veloster turbo come with similar price, performance and handling, can take this to predict Elantra 1.6T. Verdict from survey, most went for Civic 1.5T. Economy nowadays also not so good, people care more on FC and safe future ownership, not many care for the few point seconds faster. VW failed to convince people to buy DSG, hyundai dual clutch, without ace strategists, they can forget it. Remember last time 2012-2014, Korean marketing trainer taught all sales people to say dual clutch problem, would go faulty within 2-3 years, now they give DCT?

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130k...? Babai elantra...
Should wait seken after 1 yr, maybe can get 100k

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Pls reduce to 115k include gst ?

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Pricing the Elantra Sport at the RM130,000 mark would put it head to head with the Civic 1.5 tuurbo and above the Mazda 3 HS. NOt an easy sell but not excessive also. There will be takers from those who prioritize performance over resale value.

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The same engine as the Veloster
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Pricing the Elantra Sport at the RM130,000 mark would put it head to head with the Civic 1.5 tuurbo and above the Mazda 3 HS. NOt an easy sell but not excessive also. There will be takers from those who prioritize performance over resale value.
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Hyundai nvr learned frm veloster n cerato turbo tragedy...
Hope after 1yr will get 30k discount
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Price should be 99,999 otr
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Might as well tell hyundai malaysia to close shop and sell everything at clearance price. 100k OTR is selling at loss unless they get government to waive the duties.

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Hyundai nvr learned frm veloster n cerato turbo tragedy...
Hope after 1yr will get 30k discount
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i presume you mean the cerato/forte koup as the normal cerato lineup here has no turbo variant.

Veloster and forte koup are 2 door coupes, very low demand and quite impractical for our market which priorities value for money as cars are damn expensive relative to our yearly income.

western countries, they have high income and the car cost on average less than their yearly income at most. They have plenty of spare cash to play around products that are deemed "impractical toys" to our market.

4 door sedan/SUV with turbo can have greater potential to sell, just what the market wants. But will always have the inherent image issue to compete against Honda.

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The Turbo should be <120k to fight Civic, 2.0NA should be <110k
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the car looks good on paper, my only problem is with the HU again, is it going to be an el cheapo unit from China?


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the car looks good on paper, my only problem is with the HU again, is it going to be an el cheapo unit from China?
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According Wikipedia, the Mazda 3 skyactive 2.0L already does 0-100km/hr in just 7.8 seconds, which is faster than Civic Turbo and almost 2 seconds faster than the normal Civic.

Civic CVT is pretty slow versus Nissan or Toyota.

I think Sylphy and Altis pickup is faster than the Civic 1.8L



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Hyundai nvr learned frm veloster n cerato turbo tragedy...
Hope after 1yr will get 30k discount
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There is no market for a 2 door coupe in Malaysia unless it is a brand which targets the rich. Hyundai's mistake was to bring in them in and was forced to dispose of them cheap cheap. However the sedan Elantra is quite popular and won't meet the same fate so don't hold your breath for the RM30K discount. smile.gif
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QUOTE(jacobngen87 @ Apr 14 2017, 02:12 PM)
According Wikipedia, the Mazda 3 skyactive 2.0L already does 0-100km/hr in just 7.8 seconds, which is faster than Civic Turbo and almost 2 seconds faster than the normal Civic.

Civic CVT is pretty slow versus Nissan or Toyota.

I think Sylphy and Altis pickup is faster than the Civic 1.8L
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on paper, yes for civic but in reality no problem to achieve 7.x seconds. also different countries list out different timing even though same engine doh.gif
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QUOTE(jacobngen87 @ Apr 14 2017, 02:12 PM)
According Wikipedia, the Mazda 3 skyactive 2.0L already does 0-100km/hr in just 7.8 seconds, which is faster than Civic Turbo and almost 2 seconds faster than the normal Civic.

Civic CVT is pretty slow versus Nissan or Toyota.

I think Sylphy and Altis pickup is faster than the Civic 1.8L
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According to real world test, the civic turbo does around 7.5sec... many reviewer around the world also does around the same 7.5sec iinm.

Honda cvt is kinda badass and doesn't really feel like cvt if drives normally unless u really floored it.

This new Elantra turbo real world test around 6.8sec...


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QUOTE(jacobngen87 @ Apr 14 2017, 02:12 PM)
According Wikipedia, the Mazda 3 skyactive 2.0L already does 0-100km/hr in just 7.8 seconds, which is faster than Civic Turbo and almost 2 seconds faster than the normal Civic.

Civic CVT is pretty slow versus Nissan or Toyota.

I think Sylphy and Altis pickup is faster than the Civic 1.8L
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Not possible to get below 8s for the Mazda 3 0-100 km/hr sprint. I think I've seen a test where the Mazda 3 and Civic turbo are neck to neck at 8.2s if I remember correctly.

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QUOTE(jacobngen87 @ Apr 14 2017, 02:12 PM)
According Wikipedia, the Mazda 3 skyactive 2.0L already does 0-100km/hr in just 7.8 seconds, which is faster than Civic Turbo and almost 2 seconds faster than the normal Civic.

Civic CVT is pretty slow versus Nissan or Toyota.

I think Sylphy and Altis pickup is faster than the Civic 1.8L
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Not possible to get below 8s for the Mazda 3 0-100 km/hr sprint. I think I've seen a test where the Mazda 3 and Civic turbo are neck to neck at 8.2s if I remember correctly.
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That sub 8 second number is most likely derived from the manual transmission, and typically evaluated under the cooler climate than our hot and humid climate which handicaps the best performance potential of the engine. The best reference is from the mazda singapore brochure :

http://www.mazda.com.sg/wp-content/plugins...page=&zoom=auto

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8.9s to 100km/h Ok la, lose out to civic turbo, but then, so what? Either way who is fast or not, the revvy nature and linearity of the skyactiv engine is something quite fun.

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That sub 8 second number is most likely derived from the manual transmission, and typically evaluated under the cooler climate than our hot and humid climate which handicaps the best performance potential of the engine. The best reference is from the mazda singapore brochure :


8.9s to 100km/h Ok la, lose out to civic turbo, but then, so what? Either way who is fast or not, the revvy nature and linearity of the skyactiv engine is something quite fun.
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Actually the skyactiv engine needs to rev above 2000 rpm before the torque comes in. This means nipping into another lane isn't as quick as I would like. But other than this the performance is sweet!
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QUOTE(Ginny88 @ Apr 14 2017, 04:09 PM)
Actually the skyactiv engine needs to rev above 2000 rpm before the torque comes in. This means nipping into another lane isn't as quick as I would like. But other than this the performance is sweet!
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Quite true, but the greater issue in my opinion is the shift mapping of the transmission. It is just too conservative to keep wanting to up shift, especially from 2nd to 3rd, from 4th to 5th and from 5th to 6th. Also get stuck inside the torque dip.

So to mitigate this, most of the time i drive it like a manual. I select to upshift at the rev range that doesn't jerk the car and also won't get caught at the torque dip zone of the following gear. And another thing i personally prefer is to have a better modulation and control during bursts of acceleration. If left to its own devices, yes it will drop a gear when depress the pedal down enough, but the sudden upsurge of rev and acceleration is not preferable to me. Most of the time, i preempt by manually downshifting and modulate the pedal and acceleration rate as i desire.

Good thing about automatic transmission is i don't need to worry about downshifting as it is automatically done even when placed in manual mode for those times that it slipped my mind or when i'm feeling lazy tongue.gif
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QUOTE(wkc5657 @ Apr 14 2017, 11:44 AM)
Might as well tell hyundai malaysia to close shop and sell everything at clearance price. 100k OTR is selling at loss unless they get government to waive the duties.

i presume you mean the cerato/forte koup as the normal cerato lineup here has no turbo variant.

Veloster and forte koup are 2 door coupes, very low demand and quite impractical for our market which priorities value for money as cars are damn expensive relative to our yearly income.

western countries, they have high income and the car cost on average less than their yearly income at most. They have plenty of spare cash to play around products that are deemed "impractical toys" to our market.

4 door sedan/SUV with turbo can have greater potential to sell, just what the market wants. But will always have the inherent image issue to compete against Honda.
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How come 99k price can close shop ?
Put 99k price big big advertisement in paper
People will wow n hyundai showroom need to open 24x7
Put 130k ads in paper people wil mehhh better buy honda

I dunno why sime-darby mgmt still kenot see this

99k price can sell 100unit/mth
130k price can sell 10unit/mth

I kenot brain why 99k will close shop

Not cerato, it's k2 turbo 2 door...
130k price until kenot see 1 on the road till today...
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QUOTE(sitescope @ Apr 15 2017, 12:35 PM)
How come 99k price can close shop ?
Put 99k price big big advertisement in paper
People will wow n hyundai showroom need to open 24x7
Put 130k ads in paper people wil mehhh better buy honda

I dunno why sime-darby mgmt still kenot see this

99k price can sell 100unit/mth
130k price can sell 10unit/mth

I kenot brain why 99k will close shop

Not cerato, it's k2 turbo 2 door...
130k price until kenot see 1 on the road till today...
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So Sime Darby is happy with just 100 units a month?

99k x 100 units = RM9.9 million
80k X 1000 units = RM80 million

Shouldn't they be more happier with 1000 units at a lower price? Customers are happy too. It's a win win situation for both customer and company like what Honda did

No wonder Hyundai will always be a failure here



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QUOTE(jacobngen87 @ Apr 15 2017, 03:55 PM)
So Sime Darby is happy with just 100 units a month?

99k x 100 units = RM9.9 million
80k X 1000 units = RM80 million

Shouldn't they be more happier with 1000 units at a lower price? Customers are happy too. It's a win win situation for both customer and company like what Honda did

No wonder Hyundai will always be a failure here
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No isu if they can bring 1k unit / mth

When airasia sell ticket at rm1, msia people said crazy where got profit... And now...

Honda no need to do nothing, they just use msia mindset...

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So Sime Darby is happy with just 100 units a month?

99k x 100 units = RM9.9 million
80k X 1000 units = RM80 million

Shouldn't they be more happier with 1000 units at a lower price? Customers are happy too. It's a win win situation for both customer and company like what Honda did

No wonder Hyundai will always be a failure here
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I don't think they are happy with just 100 units a month. The price you're suggesting is way too low for profit meaning they earn only a dozen or 2 dozen thousands per car. In which they did with preowmed sales , earn little per unit hoping for high volume. If volume low, they'll be making losses.

Their ads on mudah look like they have problem selling the 1.8L at rm112k, so many 2016 stocks to clear lately offering rm90k range with preowned at much lower price. My friend showed me ads at mudah, some sold cheap, some higher, if situation like that, people will sure go for cheaper one.

If new Elantra at civic price range, how do they intend to sell when they can't make things right with existing Elantra
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I guess Malaysia is not the only country with poor sales...

Honestly I find their new models really disappointing...


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https://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles...m_medium=social
I guess Malaysia is not the only country with poor sales...

Honestly I find their new models really disappointing...
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I dun care other country
If they sell turbo version at 109k with gst, just take my money
If pricey, they should look at their history
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QUOTE(sitescope @ Apr 26 2017, 06:37 PM)
I dun care other country
If they sell turbo version at 109k with gst, just take my money
If pricey, they should look at their history
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If really 109k OTR, take my money too brows.gif

I believe it is more likely to be in the 124k-129k range.
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If really 109k OTR, take my money too  brows.gif

I believe it is more likely to be in the 124k-129k range.
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The longer this model is being delayed, more ppl will move to civic, mazda 3, jetta, focus. The tucson also taking own sweet time.

The thing is majority of car buyers don't delay buying a car for hyundai its a fact. So if it's your triumph card bring it on quickly Hyundai.
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If the Elantra turbo is RM120K it will be competitive. At RM130K will be hard to sell. I don't think they can go as low as RM110K.
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Still haven't launch lehhh dunno what's taking Hyundai so long

By the time it's finally launched I think the Civic, M3 and Altis would have sold like 10-30k units each


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My guess is that the 2.0 NA normal spec price at 104k, high spec at 114k.
1.6 TGDI normal spec price at 124k, high spec at 134k.
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Elantra 2.0 = RM 95k

Power sunroof
Power driver seat with lumbar support,
Auto-dimming rearview mirror with HomeLink® and compass
7-inch display audio AM/FM/HD Radio
Blind Spot Detection with Rear Cross-traffic Alert and Lane Change Assist
Power sunroof
16-inch alloy wheels with P205/55R16 tires
LED Daytime Running Lights
Heated exterior mirrors
Door handle approach light
Hands-free smart trunk
Power driver seat with lumbar support
Auto-dimming rearview mirror with HomeLink® and compass
Bluetooth® hands-free phone system with voice recognition
Steering-wheel-mounted audio, Bluetooth® and cruise controls
Leather-wrapped steering wheel and shift knob
Automatic headlight control
3.5-inch TFT monochromatic cluster display
Dual automatic temperature control with CleanAir Ionizer and Auto Defogging System
Proximity Key entry with push button start
Heated front seats
Dual illuminated vanity mirrors
Sunvisor extensions
Sliding center armrest
Front passenger seatback pocket

Elantra 1.6T = RM 105k

1.6L turbocharged GDI 4-cylinder engine
18-inch alloy wheels with 225/40R18 tires
Multi-link independent rear suspension
6-speed manual transmission or available 7-speed Dual Clutch Transmission with SHIFTRONIC®
4-wheel disc brakes with front brake rotor size increase
7-inch display audio AM/FM/HD Radio
Blind Spot Detection with Rear Cross-traffic Alert and Lane Change Assist
Power sunroof
Heated exterior mirrors
Door handle approach light
Power driver seat with lumbar support
Auto-dimming rearview mirror with HomeLink® and compass
Bluetooth® hands-free phone system with voice recognition
Steering-wheel-mounted audio, Bluetooth® and cruise controls
Leather-wrapped steering wheel and shift knob
Automatic headlight control
Dual automatic temperature control with CleanAir Ionizer and Auto Defogging System
Dual illuminated vanity mirrors
Sunvisor extensions
Sliding center armrest
Front passenger seatback pocket
Sport-tuned suspension and steering
Sport front grille and bumper fascia
Sport rear fascia with diffuser element
Sport side sill extensions
HID headlights
LED Daytime Running Lights
LED taillights
Side mirror turn-signal indicators
Hands-free smart trunk
Sport front seats with leather seating surfaces
Heated front seats
Proximity Key with push button start
Sport instrument gauge cluster
Flat bottom leather-wrapped sport steering wheel
Black headliner
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Where are your specs taken from? There are heated exterior mirrors which are irrelevant for our region.
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6MT for the turbo variant.

Biar betul
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6MT for the turbo variant.

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I think slim chance Hyundai will bring in the 6MT turbo. There is no market for MT cars here unless your car is very cheap or very powerful.
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I highly doubt it as well. Referring to sitescope's list, I wonder what is his source hmm.gif
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Where are your specs taken from? There are heated exterior mirrors which are irrelevant for our region.
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I highly doubt it as well. Referring to sitescope's list, I wonder what is his source hmm.gif
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More or less...
If not related hyundai msia will remove...
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I think that was North America's spec and perhaps price also. I don't think our spec has 6-speed MT, sunroof, heated mirror and front seat. And due to our high excise duty, the price definitely will be higher.
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I think that was North America's spec and perhaps price also. I don't think our spec has 6-speed MT, sunroof, heated mirror and front seat. And due to our high excise duty, the price definitely will be higher.
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Quite suprise coz price for higher spec elantra is less a bit than ioniq high spec
So we can use current ioniq price as a guess
If price higher than ioniq than we know hyundai markup kaw2 n should boycott them

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Quite suprise coz price for higher spec elantra is less a bit than ioniq high spec
So we can use current ioniq price as a guess
If price higher than ioniq than we know hyundai markup kaw2 n should boycott them
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Ioniq probably has some tax exemption for a hybrid car.
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Ioniq probably has some tax exemption for a hybrid car.
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How come civic usa price similar to msia price after convert RM ?
Civic also tax exemption ?
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105k for Turbo?

You think the Ioniq will still sell?

So far my predictions have been quite accurate

2.0L should be RM110,688

1.6T should be RM132,688



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105k for Turbo?

You think the Ioniq will still sell?

So far my predictions have been quite accurate

2.0L should be RM110,688

1.6T should be RM132,688
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Ioniq n elantra diff
Ioniq for people wan high mileage
Elantra for people wan high power
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hyundai always like to set their pricing slightly higher than kia...looking at cerato 2.0 at 120k++... i do not feel elantra 2.0 will be priced lower than that.

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Ioniq was given EEV status and hence lower tax and lower OTR price. Elantra on the other hand, based on the FC reported from other markets, most likely will not have EEV status and subject to a few thousands ringgit higher tax. The FC for Civic is quite good which earn it EEV status and thus competitive pricing.
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hyundai always like to set their pricing slightly higher than kia...looking at cerato 2.0 at 120k++... i do not feel elantra 2.0 will be priced lower than that.
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Nowadays put car price more than 120k is a bad move coz
- gawat
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Ioniq diff coz people buy due to can get high mileage so they can compesate with petrol price that always hike
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The mazda GVC 2.0L GL is same price as Civic 1.8S
The mazda GVC 2.0L HS is same price as Civic 1.5T

Hyundai should price lower than both above
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It's coming !
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No point if no price
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When??

This car was launched in 2015. Spore already started selling over a year ago.

Even India gets it in August 2016.

Even the new Honda Civic was launched here in 9 June 2016, almost a year ago already...

Does it need to take very long to launch a new model? Just curious hmmmm.....





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Hyundai need to go thru lot of kroni before can sell it at 109k
Coz they know if put price same with H, the kenot sell...
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On the other hand, they brought in Ioniq quite fast.
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Maybe Hyundai had to get rid of old stocks of Elantra before bringing in the new model.
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Preview of Elantra 2017 sport edition is available now at Mid Valley. I just saw it today..
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Preview of Elantra 2017 sport edition is available now at Mid Valley. I just saw it today..
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QUOTE(laurateoh @ Mar 3 2017, 08:41 AM)
I work for Hyundai Glenmarie. My next door neighbor is one of the highest selling Honda showroom. We know their sales has dropped.

Honda and Toyota have been in Malaysia for several decades. Hyundai 1.

We may not have their numbers now, but it's OK.

With time, you'll see more.

Ioniq is superb.
Elantra Sport Turbo AD and Tucson Turbo coming.
Just Google and watch the video reviews.

Just don't knock it if u haven't been in a new Peter Schreyer built unit lately.

You will be surprised. We are not lousy. Tq.
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QUOTE(sitescope @ May 5 2017, 10:46 AM)
Hyundai need to go thru lot of kroni before can sell it at 109k
Coz they know if put price same with H, the kenot sell...
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Korean principal not confident, nothing to do with G. Korean principal reluctant to invest in setting up assembly plant here for the poor sales in the region. Only now they setup factory when the car is about to go through FL, remind me of Teana/Sylphy where the principal was not convinced.

During my buddies and I direct/indirect support era, do you see korean cars having problem selling at Japanese price range notably elantra md 1.8L.vs civic 1.8 vs altis 1.8L? Sonata YF was priced at Accord 2.0 price range, it managed to sell at healthy volume. As proven, failed strategies are caused of failure.
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Maybe Hyundai had to get rid of old stocks of Elantra before bringing in the new model.
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Elantra already phased out last year unofficially which left them with no substitute. Remaining Elantra stocks reached highest discount which affected existing owners. 1.6 could sel but not easyl while 1.8L.harder to clear. They got desperate by bringing in ioniq and stock up stocks like they did with sonata Lf, tucson.

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QUOTE(jacobngen87 @ May 5 2017, 07:47 AM)
When??

This car was launched in 2015. Spore already started selling over a year ago.

Even India gets it in August 2016.

Even the new Honda Civic was launched here in 9 June 2016, almost a year ago already...

Does it need to take very long to launch a new model? Just curious hmmmm.....
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Should be end of the month or next month, they're aiming for raya sales. Unfortunately, they are going back to past where there's plenty of stocks when sales begin to slow, they'll release here. If demand is convincing, principal will be desperate to launch here. If demand like cold door, they'll take sweet time.

Latest news, few retrenchments in the 2 korean companies laid off mostly junior and operation staff. However, the failed managers and execs that spent most of the salary expenses get to stay. Feel bad for the junior level staff that don't have much money left. If front line people that keep things running got laid off, do you think after sales will still be good?

We'll.see how Sebastian perform next month and the following. The price of new Elantra, you can refer Cerato new car pricing, after high rebate and preowned sales. I think they'll throw price
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Elantra 6MT and a good infotainment please? Not the touch screen infotainment radio/bluetooth in Ioniq.

I'm tired of Jap offering already. But Hyundai/Kia still isn't there yet.

Korea is the home of consumer electric giants, please don't put in HU on the level of Perodua.

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Elantra 6MT and a good infotainment please? Not the touch screen infotainment radio/bluetooth in Ioniq.

I'm tired of Jap offering already. But Hyundai/Kia still isn't there yet.

Korea is the home of consumer electric giants, please don't put in HU on the level of Perodua.
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yep I'm wondering when car companies will stop treating Malaysians like muppets offering low powered cars with bad safety standards and low quality specifications and technologies.


The easiest strategy to sell more cars is to offer more for less such as offering Android/Apple Car Play as standard, at least 6 airbags, ESC, ABS etc, and at the minimum offer technology packs such as Blind Spot Monitoring, Lane assist, Active Cruise control as an option to be added on. The technology not too expensive, a AUD$2000 option as in in Australia.

The car doesn't need to be full "leather" (it's probably going to PU anyways), doesn't need Automatic Transmission etc.

One can only hope that Elantra will follow in the footsteps of the Ioniq (without the crappy HU), but with the safety tech that a lot of consumers are looking forward to, instead of buying a RM400K Volvo.
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Seems like the new Elantra will only be launched next month due to "technical" issue.
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Seems like the new Elantra will only be launched next month due to "technical" issue.
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Not "price" isu ?
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dont forget you are buying "hyundai" car under Sime Darby. Hence you are also buying services from SD and the service quality is ranging from bad to worse, if i m not mistaken. This is the feedback I heard la.

2017 elantra sport is sportier than civic turbo, so what? we have no choice but to buy under SD. If my feedback is wrong, please do correct me.

shit, i fucked up my english. lol

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Why are they still delaying the launch? need to clear ioniq stock first?
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Today we see similar product in here, Veloster turbo 1.6T-GDI Engine, 7 Speed DCT in hyundai malaysia websites from MYR 154,437.49. 2 hyundai product power output respectively @ 186ps as compare what to come @ 201ps elentra (better), will this pricing take into consideration? Is elentra sport going to be uniquely "sports" variant or will it be highest spec of elantra?
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QUOTE(SackBoy @ May 19 2017, 01:18 PM)
Today we see similar product in here, Veloster turbo 1.6T-GDI Engine, 7 Speed DCT in hyundai malaysia websites from MYR 154,437.49. 2 hyundai product power output respectively @ 186ps as compare what to come @ 201ps elentra (better), will this pricing take into consideration? Is elentra sport going to be uniquely "sports" variant or will it be highest spec of elantra?
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You just got you civic not too long ago, ogling on the upcoming elantra already ar tongue.gif tongue.gif

The turbo will be the highest spec version
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You just got you civic not too long ago, ogling on the upcoming elantra already ar tongue.gif  tongue.gif

The turbo will be the highest spec version
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Family member can get it too, not just for me. Well if it is a good product why not recommend it.
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QUOTE(demetry @ May 19 2017, 11:39 AM)
dont forget you are buying "hyundai" car under Sime Darby. Hence you are also buying services from SD and the service quality is ranging from bad to worse, if i m not mistaken. This is the feedback I heard la.

2017 elantra sport is sportier than civic turbo, so what? we have no choice but to buy under SD. If my feedback is wrong, please do correct me.

shit, i fucked up my english. lol
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Just wait and see lo.

Hence having MT choice eliminates many of the headache. tongue.gif
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Family member can get it too, not just for me. Well if it is a good product why not recommend it.
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Well, it is actually more civic-ness than the actual honda civic. Definitely a good drive thumbsup.gif
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Well, it is actually more civic-ness than the actual honda civic. Definitely a good drive  thumbsup.gif
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the new elantra is so nice!

1.6 turbo handles extremely well and is powerful even without sport mode. love the paddle shifters

the 2.0 cruises so comfortably. superb for families.

very different type of driving experience.

launch will be on 8 june!
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the new elantra is so nice!

1.6 turbo handles extremely well and is powerful even without sport mode. love the paddle shifters

the 2.0 cruises so comfortably. superb for families.

very different type of driving experience.

launch will be on 8 june!
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Price price price ???
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the new elantra is so nice!

1.6 turbo handles extremely well and is powerful even without sport mode. love the paddle shifters

the 2.0 cruises so comfortably. superb for families.

very different type of driving experience.

launch will be on 8 june!
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Wah, very excited, can't wait for the affordability of the car. This car is confirm caught many attention in the Malaysia market compared to the ioniq.

Just hoping that the price and equipment can be on-par or undercut the Honda civic. Who knows this vehicle can help to generate sales of Hyundai in Malaysia just like how tiguan brings up the Volkswagen sales recently.


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Price price price ???
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Belum tau. Waiting for 8/6

QUOTE(Khoiyat @ May 24 2017, 09:09 AM)
Wah, very excited, can't wait for the affordability of the car. This car is confirm caught many attention in the Malaysia market compared to the ioniq.

Just hoping that the price and equipment can be on-par or undercut the Honda civic. Who knows this vehicle can help to generate sales of Hyundai in Malaysia just like how tiguan brings up the Volkswagen sales recently.
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One Chinese website (link forgotten) says the Elantra turbo will be priced at rm130k.

If true it will go head to head with Civic turbo on price but if the price is the same buyers usually prefer the Jap car.

Anyway, lets wait and see.
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QUOTE(Ginny88 @ May 24 2017, 11:58 AM)
One Chinese website (link forgotten) says the Elantra turbo will be priced at rm130k.

If true it will go head to head with Civic turbo on price but if the price is the same buyers usually prefer the Jap car.

Anyway, lets wait and see.
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To challenge the japanese, have to price lower 10K then the japanese makes, then people will really think about it.

Am the first batch of Elantras, back then, price was 10K different from the Japanese makes.
Later, they add this and that to push the selling price higher...

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QUOTE(JimmyChan77 @ May 24 2017, 01:46 PM)
To challenge the japanese, have to price lower 10K then the japanese makes, then people will really think about it.

Am the first batch of Elantras, back then, price was 10K different from the Japanese makes.
Later, they add this and that to push the selling price higher...
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Even when forte launched, its 35k cheaper than civic for both 2.0
My friend bought it w/out thinking about civic at all
That's the only way to kill japanese
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QUOTE(JimmyChan77 @ May 24 2017, 01:46 PM)
To challenge the japanese, have to price lower 10K then the japanese makes, then people will really think about it.

Am the first batch of Elantras, back then, price was 10K different from the Japanese makes.
Later, they add this and that to push the selling price higher...
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If the Korean car distributor is content to sell at low volume then they can price it the same as an equivalent Jap car like the Optima and Sonata which are priced the same as Camry/Accord. This strategy is fine for CBU cars but if the car is CKD they will need some volume to sustain. Is the Elantra CKD or CBU?


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QUOTE(Ginny88 @ May 25 2017, 11:08 AM)
If the Korean car distributor is content to sell at low volume then they can price it the same as an equivalent Jap car like the Optima and Sonata which are priced the same as Camry/Accord. This strategy is fine for CBU cars but if the car is CKD they will need some volume to sustain. Is the Elantra CKD or CBU?
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QUOTE(sitescope @ May 25 2017, 11:29 AM)
For time being elantra 2017 is cbu
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Then I think a price of RM130K+ is likely.
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I thought local Hyundai cars are SKD, no ?
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QUOTE(Ginny88 @ May 25 2017, 12:26 PM)
Then I think a price of RM130K+ is likely.
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QUOTE(N33d @ May 25 2017, 04:01 PM)
sad.gif If that is true bye bye Elantra.
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Me too...
Might see what happen after 2-3yrs coz hyundai RV is low
Hope can find low mileage with warranty at rm70-80k price tag
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Then I think a price of RM130K+ is likely.
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Wow! So expensive for the 2.0?

Imagine if Geely launched the Emgrand D segment sedan here below RM80k

I think Elantra can kiss goodbye to its sales?



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QUOTE(jacobngen87 @ May 25 2017, 05:21 PM)
Wow! So expensive for the 2.0?

Imagine if Geely launched the Emgrand D segment sedan here below RM80k

I think Elantra can kiss goodbye to its sales?
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If new sonata sell at 80k, T n H also can kiss goodbye...
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QUOTE(sitescope @ May 25 2017, 04:31 PM)
Me too...
Might see what happen after 2-3yrs coz hyundai RV is low
Hope can find low mileage with warranty at rm70-80k price tag
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i will think twice buying a turbo car 2nd hand
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the new elantra is the best looking C seg car available here that is reachable for most, couple with the sport version handling, damn almost a perfect car to me!
just pray that the turbo version could price competitively
not interest for the normal version with ordinary suspension even price at 100k. I have enuf of sampan car
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i will think twice buying a turbo car 2nd hand
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Maybe there will be 2 specs .... a premium spec that cost 130k+ and a more affordable standard spec that cost less ?
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Just wait until they back down on price when sales suffer just like the Hyundai Veloster turbo.

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Maybe there will be 2 specs .... a premium spec that cost 130k+ and a more affordable standard spec that cost less ?
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Only 2 specs
1.6T n 2.0
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The turbo should have 6MT option.
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The turbo should have 6MT option.
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Then you go talk to the principle to make an indent order for your manual, or you get the car and separately source and fit a suitable manual transmission.

It will not come with a manual option.
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QUOTE(wkc5657 @ May 26 2017, 10:58 AM)
Then you go talk to the principle to make an indent order for your manual, or you get the car and separately source and fit a suitable manual transmission.

It will not come with a manual option.
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I say, why so aggressive wkc5657? He just made a simple exploratory statement. This sort of response can start a flame war.

There is no market for manual cars in Malaysia unless it is for the rock bottom budget segment or for expensive powerful cars. Outside these two segments it just doesn't sell. Naza found out the hard way when they brought in a batch of manual Picanto. They finally had to get rid of them at fire sale prices. The sons of the founder were not as savvy as their father.

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I say, why so aggressive wkc5657? He just made a simple exploratory statement. This sort of response can start a flame war.

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QUOTE(Ginny88 @ May 26 2017, 11:18 AM)
There is no market for manual cars in Malaysia unless it is for the rock bottom budget segment or for expensive powerful cars. Outside these two segments it just doesn't sell. Naza found out the hard way when they brought in a batch of manual Picanto.
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Then you go talk to the principle to make an indent order for your manual, or you get the car and separately source and fit a suitable manual transmission.

It will not come with a manual option.
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Good luck fighting (the sales of) 1.5T automatic.

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After some searching, i don't find any cars with turbochargers that comes with a manual below 300k when new (pickup trucks aside). Did i missed any car brand/models?
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After some searching, i don't find any cars with turbochargers that comes with a manual below 300k when new (pickup trucks aside). Did i missed any car brand/models?
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Subaru WRX STI has manual, RM280k, still below 300k tongue.gif
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QUOTE(wkc5657 @ May 26 2017, 12:24 PM)
After some searching, i don't find any cars with turbochargers that comes with a manual below 300k when new (pickup trucks aside). Did i missed any car brand/models?
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This is what I'm trying to say, a big untapped market. The numbers can be small, but I believe it could sell more than fighting along with the famous 1.5T. Not to say other automatic makes of similar price range.

The Picanto MT on the other hand, picking a fight where cheaper MT with similar/better performance already saturate the market. Some more the safety awareness were way weaker back then.



QUOTE(Eilrach @ May 26 2017, 01:10 PM)
Subaru WRX STI has manual, RM280k, still below 300k  tongue.gif
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Good luck fighting (the sales of) 1.5T automatic.
The principle hides behind curtain. tongue.gif
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There is no need for Elantra Sport to fight with the Civic turbo on price. The Elantra Sport will be a low volume seller purchased by those whose top priority is power. The Civic 1.5T will continue to be the safe choice for family men who wants a bit more power than the average C-segment car but is also mindful of space and RV and the need to have their choice endorsed by their wives.

The Elantra Sport's real competitors are turbo powered C-segment conti cars like Jetta, Focus and Pug 408T. It does not lose in power to any of them and it should be more reliable and cheaper to maintain plus having better after sales service. This will sway buyers who want power but not the costly and troublesome maintenance plus shitty after sales service for a conti car. Few would say that you need to have a spare car or sacrifice your annual leave for a Korean car unlike a conti car.

The Civic turbo has nothing to worry from the Elantra Sport but Jetta, Focus and 408T had better watch out!


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QUOTE(KennyKB @ May 26 2017, 02:09 PM)
There is no need for Elantra Sport to fight with the Civic turbo on price.
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Even the normal Elantra is in no position to fight Civic 1.5T or 1.8NA. Cheaper priced or not. Unless the Elantra Sport/Non-Sport are there just to fill in the gap of Hyundai catalog.



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QUOTE(Eilrach @ May 26 2017, 01:10 PM)
Subaru WRX STI has manual, RM280k, still below 300k  tongue.gif
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RM239k according to PT news today.

300hp, 0-100 in 5 seconds



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QUOTE(Eilrach @ May 26 2017, 01:10 PM)
Subaru WRX STI has manual, RM280k, still below 300k  tongue.gif
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QUOTE(wkc5657 @ May 27 2017, 10:23 AM)
ok, you win  tongue.gif
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Actually i just remembered, there's more. Ford Fiesta ST and Peugeot 208 GTi, both turbocharged with manual shifting, and just under 150k tongue.gif . And then there's the previous gen Civic Type-R at 260k, though this one you can only find it as a recond car.

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QUOTE(Eilrach @ May 27 2017, 01:04 PM)
Actually i just remembered, there's more. Ford Fiesta ST and Peugeot 208 GTi, both turbocharged with manual shifting, and just under 150k  tongue.gif . And then there's the previous gen Civic Type-R at 260k, though this one you can only find it as a recond car.
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Wanna family car with turbo power
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QUOTE(Eilrach @ May 27 2017, 01:04 PM)
Actually i just remembered, there's more. Ford Fiesta ST and Peugeot 208 GTi, both turbocharged with manual shifting, and just under 150k  tongue.gif . And then there's the previous gen Civic Type-R at 260k, though this one you can only find it as a recond car.
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You win again tongue.gif tongue.gif


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QUOTE(sitescope @ May 27 2017, 10:31 PM)
Both bontot pendek kenot la
Wanna family car with turbo power
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This. But Hyundai in Malaysia just don't care lah.
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If a family sized sedan, with turbo and manual shifting below 300k, its only the Subu WRX STI and Civic Type-R
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QUOTE(sitescope @ May 27 2017, 10:31 PM)
Both bontot pendek kenot la
Wanna family car with turbo power
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If you want a non-luxury turbo powered family sedan the only choices now are the whimpy Civic 1.5T with CVT or high maintenance Conti cars like Jetta, Focus or 408T.

Otherwise wait for the Elantra Sport. For the first time family men can have power without the unreliability and unpredictability of maintaining a Conti car.

I'm sure many men are in your position thinking the same thing.
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QUOTE(Ginny88 @ May 29 2017, 02:34 PM)
If you want a non-luxury turbo powered family sedan the only choices now are the whimpy Civic 1.5T with CVT or high maintenance Conti cars like Jetta, Focus or 408T.

Otherwise wait for the Elantra Sport. For the first time family men can have power without the unreliability and unpredictability of maintaining a Conti car.

I'm sure many men are in your position thinking the same thing.
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Now no wait aldy after heard the price
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1.6t rm135k
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Price is out

RM120k and 125k for the 2.0 variant, and RM135k for the 1.6T

Good luck Hyundai




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I was looking forward to the reveal of this car, but at 135k, its way overpriced, not competitive enough to compete with Civic turbo.
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GG after looking at the price.
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For RM125K better go for the Mazda 3 GVC high spec. RM135K for the turbo isn't going to sell many. It will be the most expensive non-luxury C-segment car in Malaysia.


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i assume that price is OTR price, then it is just RM800 different to Civic Turbo...
Anyone know the details spec? like Android Auto or Blind Spot Detection?
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GG after looking at the price.
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Honda can just do minor facelift to Civic Turbo to be equipped with Honda Sensing, this Elantra Turbo can go back to stock piling in stockyard.


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Better get the Jetta baseline for about RM110K if you want a turbo car.
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135k better come fully loaded with equipment else nobody will buy these. Civic turbo still the crown of c-segment for now.
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Don't worry, Sime Darby mia sales tactic is price high then give steep discounts.

Look at Focus 1.5T.
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Don't worry, Sime Darby mia sales tactic is price high then give steep discounts.

Look at Focus 1.5T.
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How they pricing focus 1.5t ?
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Wait for year end big sales ...... discount 10k whistling.gif
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How they pricing focus 1.5t ?
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I reserve judgement. Waiting for Dares test drive report first. smile.gif

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Don't worry, Sime Darby mia sales tactic is price high then give steep discounts.

Look at Focus 1.5T.
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I don't think Sime Darby should've taken the year end "large discount" tactics. Just price it at an attractive price and people will come, similar to the VW Tiguan which seems to be experiencing stellar sales.

Pricing the car at 135K just puts most people off even with discounts.
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144k OTR
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So how much discount for focus 1.5t now ?
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QUOTE(FCRS @ Jun 2 2017, 09:45 PM)
I don't think Sime Darby should've taken the year end "large discount" tactics. Just price it at an attractive price and people will come, similar to the VW Tiguan which seems to be experiencing stellar sales.

Pricing the car at 135K just puts most people off even with discounts.
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This tactic is not limited to SD....VW is even worse. Remember the pre-facelift Jetta discounted to 110k, then 88k.....screwing over owners who paid full price 134k just 2 months before. Moving up the price scale, the Passat and CC got up to 40-50k discount IIRC.

Rule of thumb when buying European cars in Malaysia....wait for the discounts. I think this strategy will soon be applied to Kimchis as well as the principles shift the prices up closer to the Sushis, and discover they cannot compete at the same price.

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So how much discount for focus 1.5t now ?
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Currently no idea, don't follow their promotions anymore. Circa October 2016, my SA offered me 12k discount for 2016 model.

I asked (out of curiousity), gimme a deal where I don't have to pay d/p. He say it can be arranged. I think now you can get a Trend variant (kosong spek) for around 100k.

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This tactic is not limited to SD....VW is even worse. Remember the pre-facelift Jetta discounted to 110k, then 88k.....screwing over owners who paid full price 134k just 2 months before. Moving up the price scale, the Passat and CC got up to 40-50k discount IIRC.

Rule of thumb when buying European cars in Malaysia....wait for the discounts. I think this strategy will soon be applied to Kimchis as well as the principles shift the prices up closer to the Sushis, and discover they cannot compete at the same price.
Currently no idea, don't follow their promotions anymore. Circa October 2016, my SA offered me 12k discount for 2016 model.

I asked (out of curiousity), gimme a deal where I don't have to pay d/p. He say it can be arranged. I think now you can get a Trend variant (kosong spek) for around 100k.
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pretty but nonsense pricing. wait 2 years buy at year end sale baru worth it.
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Malaysians generally expect Korean cars to be cheaper than Japanese cars but this may not be true any more. In the old days when they were not as advanced as Jap cars and trying to break into the market they have to price cheaper but now they have more or less caught up so they can compete on the same level. Do you expect to pay cheaper for a Samsung LCD TV compared to a Sony? Are Samsung smartphones cheaper than other brands?

Here the Elantra Sport which is CBU is slammed for daring to ask for the same price as the CKD Honda Civic 1.5 turbo. Why? Actually we should slam Honda for high pricing and not passing tax savings to consumers.

The Jetta 1.4TSI Highline (CKD) is RM134K OTR with insurance. Not much difference. It looks like the Elantra Sport is priced at the going rate for high spec C-segment turbo cars.

But the reaction! How dare a Korean car ask for the same price, right?

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I think different country have different market strategy, in Malaysia u can't apply the market pricing on other countries here as here Korean are known for low RV and cold market...

If they continue with pricing higher than jap counterparts, they need to continue throw discount on year end or doing pre-owned pricing. Thus their sales continue will be locked this way.

Even though is cbu and fully speced, still I think need to lower than the jap price in order to compete steadily. But I think from the beginning they also anticipated to sell in lower volume for the turbo variant then I've got nothing to say...




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It won't be long before our beloved Korean strategist show up here.

Anyway, I don't think price is the benchmark. Korean cars are fun to drive but the problem lies with their after sales services. Naza is horrible with KIA and SD is horrible for Hyundai. They do have a top 1 or 2 SC but it could be a long drive for many to reach them. Others are mostly so so with workshop like appearance.

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Malaysians generally expect Korean cars to be cheaper than Japanese cars but this may not be true any more. In the old days when they were not as advanced as Jap cars and trying to break into the market they have to price cheaper but now they have more or less caught up so they can compete on the same level. Do you expect to pay cheaper for a Samsung LCD TV compared to a Sony? Are Samsung smartphones cheaper than other brands?

Here the Elantra Sport which is CBU is slammed for daring to ask for the same price as the CKD Honda Civic 1.5 turbo. Why? Actually we should slam Honda for high pricing and not passing tax savings to consumers.

The Jetta 1.4TSI Highline (CKD) is RM134K OTR with insurance. Not much difference. It looks like the Elantra Sport is priced at the going rate for high spec C-segment turbo cars.

But the reaction! How dare a Korean car ask for the same price, right?
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In chinese there is a phrase "有价无市" - the product has value by itself, but it has no demand from the market.

Example, the Cerato has great value (other than the KX), the 2.0l is sold at the similiar price as a Jap 2.0l C-segment. How many Cerato 2.0l do you see compared to Altis/Civic FB/Civic FC?

Not to mention, some values like being CBU adds nothing to the desirability to most Malaysians, it only increases the price tag.

Why Jetta can sell at that price? because the brand is desirable. Do you think KIA/Hyundai enjoys the same kind of brand recognition as VW in this country, despite VW's troubles. And even so, VW frequently throw promotions to move their sales along.

This is the reality of the Malaysian market and SEA countries in general - we are basically the land of Honda/Toyota.When the Forte came out at 100k with all the bells and whistles, it sold like hotcake and was touted as the turning point for the Kimchis in Malaysia....the out came the Cerato with a steep price hike and the sales figures drastically.

Increasing value in a product is easy, but raising the perceived value of the product in the market is much, much more tricky.

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Plus timing also not korek coz now gawat time

If refer post #292, US price around rm105k only for full specs
So plus gst around rm111k so rm119k is the best spot price

Frm my reading in fb forum, hyundai more prob compare to kia even only minor isu

Anyway will wait 1st batch owner feedback

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Alright my Elantra Sport owners... we have some initial results from our dataloging last night with the new Elantra Sport Turbo.
1. Fuel pressure is mighty high. 2800 psi under full load.
2. Boost, super low. Target boost looks to be around 10-12 psi.
3. Ignition timing under full load, single digit numbers... this is good news.
4. Calculated EGT's are very high, going to have to address that with a downpipe and tune to go with it.
5. Calculated power is about spot on with the dyno, with my current settings. This is very good news.
What does all this mean? How is this going to benefit the Elatra Sport owner's?
There is a ton of potential for this car...
With the fuel pressure being so high, we have room to grow. I have to monitor some of the injector duty cycle values, but if I had to guess, we are under 40% IDC.
Boost, is lower than any previous model 1.6T (factory boost levels) that I have ever seen. the current 2012 - 2016 1.6T engines generate 15-17 psi of boost to make 201 rated factory power. The Elantra Sport is down 3-4 psi and its making the same rated factory numbers. Say, we add that 3-4 psi back to the engine, that should be good for another 20 WHP (easy).
The factory ignition timing got me excited smile.gif After looking at the dyno results I can tell that they tuned the car for 87 octane (more on that to come). Single digit timing number (0-8 degrees max under full throttle) is around 8-10 degrees less than the current 1.6T ignition timing. What does the low number and poor shaky dyno results mean? We easily have 20 to 40 WHP gains to be had in the ignition timing table alone smile.gif. Yes, that says 20 to 40 WHP!!!
The calculated EGT's being so high, that is probably due to the very restrictive cat converter on the car. This is an assumption right now, but I hope to have the downpipe tested and on the car soon with some results. I expect to see 10-15 WHP gains from the aftermarket downpipe.
What does all this mean to the Elantra Sport owner? Tuning is going to be jaw dropping!!! I am talking gains from a Stage 0 tune being 20 o 30 WHP with ignition timing clean up and AFR's table smoothing (AFR's are very good factory). Yes, power gains are going to be mind boggling. Say you put a Stage 0 Tune, our BigGulp intake, resonator delete and downpipe on the car... peak gains should be 20-30 WHP with gains exceeding 40 + at redline (power really falls off bad at redline on the Elantra Sport). Now, imagine if you were to get a Stage 1 Tune, BigGulp intake, downpipe and resonator delete!!! Gains are going to be crazy!!! If I had to guess, 40-60 WHP peak, and possibly 80 + WHP at redline.
We will be testing more and more in the coming weeks, and if all goes smooth, we will be tuning at the end of this month (pending we get the ECU cracked in time).
Where is the competition with their products? Crickets... Their datalogs? More Crickets...
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No cvt and more powerful engine than the civic... i am impress
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Shall see what's in the package when officially announced. Then the sales number will be proof of Malaysia acceptance at this price.

For one, I am kind of disappointed with the price. Hopefully those that supported the car in this thread will put the money where the mouth is. I. E actually buy the car.
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Shall see what's in the package when officially announced. Then the sales number will be proof of Malaysia acceptance at this price.

For one, I am kind of disappointed with the price.  Hopefully those that supported the car in this thread will put the money where the mouth is. I. E actually buy the car.
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Shall see what's in the package when officially announced. Then the sales number will be proof of Malaysia acceptance at this price.

For one, I am kind of disappointed with the price.  Hopefully those that supported the car in this thread will put the money where the mouth is. I. E actually buy the car.
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I am one of the person targeting for the new Elantra. If the 1.6T come with the same equipment/safety features as in Ioniq HEV+, 135k is still reasonable. But will I buy at this price ? probably not. Will wait for big discount later or just go for Civic 1.5T or Ioniq.
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In chinese there is a phrase "有价无市" - the product has value by itself, but it has no demand from the market.

Increasing value in a product is easy, but raising the perceived value of the product in the market is much, much more tricky.
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Have to concur to your point. When new Civic was launched at that same price point for the top spec, hoards of people goes jelly and rushed to order it. And due to the high demand, the CKD's quality for the finishing touches are being put aside just to rush out cars. Most people has issue with the pillar buzz and the breaking clip.

But this Elantra, has a superior edge mechanically and overseas reviews stated that it has more Civic-ness character than the actual honda civic. And being korean, i believe that the NVH would be at least comparable to the civic. And the unreliability perception is really just so outdated. They are at least comparable to the japanese counterparts.

But then, people don't want to put money down and complaining it to be so expensive. Come on la...the value is really there. Further, many voiced the issue about the after sales of hyundai/kia; but just ask around about the Honda, want to get appointment to service also need such a long advance. Some more the damn weird maintenance schedule for the turbo version.

Just too bad that the Elantra launched late into the game for me, i would have taken it instead of the Mazda....but i'm consoled by the fact that i get 3 years free service and pay 15k lesser for the Mazda. The sweet driving experience is priceless smile.gif

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Korean cars keep improving but perception takes a long time to change. Many people still think that Korean cars are unreliable, have low technology, expensive spare parts and high FC. This is no longer true but due to lingering perception the RV for Korean cars are lower than Jap cars.

However pricing should take brand perception into account. This reminds me of how the chip manufacturer AMD once tried to sell their CPUs for the same price as equivalent Intel CPUs. Their CPUs may be just as fast but for the same price as Intel there were no takers.

The Elantra may not lose to the Civic turbo but it should be priced lower because for the same price buyers will usually choose the Civic.

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Reliability aside, even to upgrade the Korean HU offering to the same level of the Jap (having Android Auto or Apple CarPlay), the overall car already cost way more - not to say one has to mod it, further 'deteriorate' away from being as stock as it is.



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anyway hyundai yet to confirm the price
maybe just to create havoc price n see feedback from social media
hope they read all the feedback n reconsider the price
however, i kenot tahan la the interior, mmg old skool design

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when is the official launch ?
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I am one of the person targeting for the new Elantra. If the 1.6T come with the same equipment/safety features as in Ioniq HEV+, 135k is still reasonable. But will I buy at this price ? probably not. Will wait for big discount later or just go for Civic 1.5T or Ioniq.
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ioniq better but dislike rear design n rear bonet space

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when is the tentative launch date?
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Looks horrible, that Civic.

Yup, reasons that put me off from Ioniq (at least for now) is the rear passenger space. The rear design is still acceptable, at least better than the Civic.

I currently drive an Elantra HD and still prefer to buy a Hyundai as my next car.
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Looks horrible, that Civic.

Yup, reasons that put me off from Ioniq (at least for now) is the rear passenger space. The rear design is still acceptable, at least better than the Civic.

I currently drive an Elantra HD and still prefer to buy a Hyundai as my next car.
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nanti hybrid car expldoe like this

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nanti hybrid car expldoe like this

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Why is my post deleted by the way? The person who reported, if he disagree with Japanese King Strategist FC test result done on Elantra sport in overseas, he can post his result instead. Unless he knew the results of Elantra 1.6Turbo gets poorer FC is true but got nothing to counter simply go report. Whatever you removed here won't hide the truth from public. The real FC results will be revealed to public anyway. Facts on real city traffic in actual driving vs manufactureras FC test obtained from rollers, the facts results win.
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Received SMS frm Hyundai SC, they not only launching elantra turbo, they will launch Tucson turbo too. Both also on my wish list but have to see what is the final spec and price.
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The Elantra turbo is new so distributor doesn't know what price the market will bear. So they price to the max which is the limit set by Honda Civic turbo high spec. If sales is good the price will stand. If sales is poor they can give discounts. Will buyers pay the same price for an Elantra turbo as a Civic turbo even though the Elantra is more powerful? Lets wait and see.

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ALL are welcome... Launching On Friday... Now just waiting for any Free Service announcement... Finger's crossed. Meanwhile, I'm trying to Get my Family to Trade in 2008 Civic FD2 2.0 for the Elantra 1.6T-GDI. Test driven the Car in Nilai... AWESOME! devil.gif
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The Elantra turbo is new so distributor doesn't know what price the market will bear. So they price to the max which is the limit set by Honda Civic turbo high spec. If sales is good the price will stand. If sales is poor they can give discounts. Will buyers pay the same price for an Elantra turbo as a Civic turbo even though the Elantra is more powerful? Lets wait and see.
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Now everyone is wait n see...

QUOTE(Jeff_lwh @ Jun 7 2017, 11:06 AM)
ALL are welcome...  Launching On Friday...  Now just waiting for any Free Service announcement...  Finger's crossed.  Meanwhile, I'm trying to Get my Family to Trade in 2008 Civic FD2 2.0 for the Elantra 1.6T-GDI.  Test driven the Car in Nilai...  AWESOME!  devil.gif
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How come u.manage to test drive
Even glenmarie also doesn't have test drive unit
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Now everyone is wait n see...
How come u.manage to test drive
Even glenmarie also doesn't have test drive unit
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Dey, I'm salesman... Training Test drive session at Nilai Springs resort 2 weeks back cool2.gif
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Pauline Tan has the scoop -
1.6 Turbo - RM135,404.63
2.0 Dynamic - RM124,237.09
2.0 Executive - RM119,899.29

Specs look good, but the pricing not so much... People will compare against the market leader Honda Civic, and I'm not sure if Hyundai can sell well with that price... Only time will tell smile.gif
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QUOTE(isr25 @ Jun 7 2017, 11:48 AM)
Pauline Tan has the scoop -
1.6 Turbo - RM135,404.63
2.0 Dynamic - RM124,237.09
2.0 Executive - RM119,899.29

Specs look good, but the pricing not so much... People will compare against the market leader Honda Civic, and I'm not sure if Hyundai can sell well with that price... Only time will tell smile.gif
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According to the Trainer, this Elantra 1.6 Sport = Civic SI in USA... 0-100km/h in 6.8 secs... FC 6.5l/100km...
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QUOTE(Jeff_lwh @ Jun 7 2017, 11:55 AM)
According to the Trainer, this Elantra 1.6 Sport = Civic SI in USA...  0-100km/h in 6.8 secs...  FC 6.5l/100km...
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Comparing with 6MT?
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Comparing with 6MT?
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QUOTE(Jeff_lwh @ Jun 7 2017, 11:55 AM)
According to the Trainer, this Elantra 1.6 Sport = Civic SI in USA...  0-100km/h in 6.8 secs...  FC 6.5l/100km...
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Yeah, but this is Malaysia. Most people don't look at that tongue.gif very hard to change Malaysian's mindset about Hyundai... So unless they price it cheaper, I don't think I'm gonna see it much on the roads...
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QUOTE(Jeff_lwh @ Jun 7 2017, 11:55 AM)
According to the Trainer, this Elantra 1.6 Sport = Civic SI in USA...  0-100km/h in 6.8 secs...  FC 6.5l/100km...
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Can u record urself using apk in p.store
0-100kmh pedal to metal

And also can u post the service schedule maint ?
Got 2 servis like civic ketam ?

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launching this weekend with 3 years free service for both the Elantra and Tucson

feel free to come test drive both in Glenmarie this weekend  icon_rolleyes.gif
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Wanna come this weken but x larat posa worrr
Can extend till 10pm ?
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Servis interval ? 15k km like ioniq ?
Wanna come this weken but x larat posa worrr
Can extend till 10pm ?
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service schedule belum ada. will share when available

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QUOTE(isr25 @ Jun 7 2017, 11:48 AM)
Pauline Tan has the scoop -
1.6 Turbo - RM135,404.63
2.0 Dynamic - RM124,237.09
2.0 Executive - RM119,899.29

Specs look good, but the pricing not so much... People will compare against the market leader Honda Civic, and I'm not sure if Hyundai can sell well with that price... Only time will tell smile.gif
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Yup.. The price is not encouraging enough. Its on par with Japanesse marques like the civic and altis. Knowing Malaysians, most would choose the latter. I dont understand manufacturers, why not sell it a lower selling price and grab a chunk of the market share before ending up with massive leftover stocks and only give discounts later?
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service schedule belum ada. will share when available

10pm a bit scary d
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Yup.. The price is not encouraging enough. Its on par with Japanesse marques like the civic and altis. Knowing Malaysians, most would choose the latter. I dont understand manufacturers, why not sell it a lower selling price and grab a chunk of the market share before ending up with massive leftover stocks and only give discounts later?
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Coz hyundai nvr look people komen in their fb page
Still think 135k is logic price
Now civic ketam raya promo is rm5k discoumt

Anyway i try to keep the money in ASB till end of this yr. At least got dividen before decide on this elantraT
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Civic = RM131,883.37, Elantra T =RM131,488 , both OTR exclude insurance...

Technically same price different RV tongue.gif Elantra more powerful with DCT!


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Ok then see u after raya la...
Coz hyundai nvr look people komen in their fb page
Still think 135k is logic price
Now civic ketam raya promo is rm5k discoumt

Anyway i try to keep the money in ASB till end of this yr. At least got dividen before decide on this elantraT
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Well, it is Civic 1.5 T and Altis 2.0 selling price.

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QUOTE(dman @ Jun 7 2017, 01:59 PM)
Civic = RM131,883.37, Elantra T =RM131,488 , both OTR exclude insurance...

Technically same price different RV tongue.gif  Elantra more powerful with DCT!
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Even powerful, people will said...
Fast fast wanna go where
Fast fast later kena saman lorrr
Fast fast can die quick
So they choose honda... Lolzzz

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Well, it is Civic 1.5 T and Altis 2.0 selling price.
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Korean cars keep improving but perception takes a long time to change. Many people still think that Korean cars are unreliable, have low technology, expensive spare parts and high FC. This is no longer true but due to lingering perception the RV for Korean cars are lower than Jap cars.

However pricing should take brand perception into account. This reminds me of how the chip manufacturer AMD once tried to sell their CPUs for the same price as equivalent Intel CPUs. Their CPUs may be just as fast but for the same price as Intel there were no takers.

The Elantra may not lose to the Civic turbo but it should be priced lower because for the same price buyers will usually choose the Civic.
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Should be priced RM 10k less for all three variants. Then it should look better.
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Doesn't matter on the RV.. but I'm impressed by the pricing.. like it or not despite Elantra is a better car than Civic (assuming only).. still a no brainer to go for Civic.. Korean being korean.. should still priced it slightly lower than the japanese.. no idea what gave the confidence to Sime Darby thinking the hyundai cars should be priced on par or even more expensive than the Japanese.. look at the monthly sales volume.. Hyundai & Kia are only selling few hundred units per month while the like of Honda, Toyota or even the Nissan still selling much more unit.. the strategy is just bad.. not saying Korean cars should be priced lower than the Japanese forever, but in our market which is not so matured market for korean cars.. they should really priced slightly lower..

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Come to think about it, the price high then give steep discounts is brilliant.

Customer feel syok coz they think they got a good deal, and then no need pay D/P because already discounted!

If the discount is steep enough, can even contra the customer's outstanding loan on their current car!

woohoo brilliant SD strategy. laugh.gif

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Just an example similarly to Samsung Vs Iphone, initially the pricing gap was larger and as their technology matures, service network increases and acceptance grows, the gap narrows. Rarely would the manufacturer set it on par or above Market Leaders.

Honda and Toyota has been the market leader in each vehicle segment for a very long time alternating between them in Malaysia for affordable car category, this is due to their service outlets, some how proven reliability, branding, practical vehicle . All this ultimately drive their sales number and RV per say. Cuz demand is simply there. Be it new or second hand.

In my two cents, initially Kia and Hyundai rebirth was done well with the market stopper pricing few years back, but the price increase is a little steep over a very short period subsequently. Probably they have their constraint and strategy.
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QUOTE(dman @ Jun 7 2017, 01:59 PM)
Civic = RM131,883.37, Elantra T =RM131,488 , both OTR exclude insurance...

Technically same price different RV tongue.gif  Elantra more powerful with DCT!
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ya more powerful when 7 years down the line u want to trade-in tat time resale value tarak, then nid top up few k to get a new car. if u rich go for it. even if u rich i dont tink u will eye for kimchi la

REsale Value is A fact doesnt matter how hype it is
spare part availability
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and EGO, if u face thick like a brick then H is for you
If not wait n see what Honda is bringing into the market few months later
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QUOTE(DigitalMop @ Jun 7 2017, 03:54 PM)
ya more powerful when 7 years down the line u want to trade-in tat time resale value tarak, then nid top up few k to get a new car. if u rich go for it. even if u rich i dont tink u will eye for kimchi la

REsale Value is A fact doesnt matter how hype it is
spare part availability
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and EGO, if u face thick like a brick then  H is for you
If not wait n see what Honda is bringing into the market few months later
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in 2012, civic 1.8 sold at rm116k while elantra 1.8 sold at rm112k

and after 5 years, based on mudah.my & carlist.my
elantra 1.8 sell around rm59k while civic 1.8 around rm63k
so i think no isu for RV now
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QUOTE(sitescope @ Jun 7 2017, 04:45 PM)
in 2012, civic 1.8 sold at <a href='https://<link removed>/2012/07/12/honda-civic-9th-gen-just-launched-from-rm115k-5yrs-warranty-unlimited-mileage-and-10k-service-interval/' target='_blank'>rm116k</a> while elantra 1.8 sold at <a href='https://<link removed>/2012/03/28/hyundai-md-elantra-arrives-4-variants-rm87k-to-rm112k/' target='_blank'>rm112k</a>

and after 5 years, based on mudah.my & carlist.my
elantra 1.8 sell around rm59k while civic 1.8 around rm63k
so i think no isu for RV now
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i saw elantra for 54k where else civic still around rm70k
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For the same price as the Civic turbo I would choose the Elantra 1.6T for these reasons (not that I'm in the market for another 3 years)

1. More powerful
2. DCT is better for spirited driving than CVT
3. Built quality should be better than Honda's shitty CKD quality
4. Not impressed with Civic crab rear lights.
5. Has sports mode for an exhilarating drive and normal mode for family drives
6. Elantra has 3 years free service.
7. Honda's maintenance schedule for Civic turbo is ridiculous!

Lower RV doesn't bother me. I buy a car to enjoy, not for investment.


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QUOTE(kluseng @ Jun 7 2017, 09:03 PM)
For the same price as the Civic turbo I would choose the Elantra 1.6T for these reasons (not that I'm in the market for another 3 years)

1. More powerful
2. DCT is better for spirited driving than CVT
3. Built quality should be better than Honda's shitty CKD quality
4. Not impressed with Civic crab rear lights.
5. Has sports mode for an exhilarating drive and normal mode for family drives
6. Elantra has 3 years free service.
7. Honda's maintenance schedule for Civic turbo is ridiculous!

Lower RV doesn't bother me. I buy a car to enjoy, not for investment.
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I agree with your points. Compare the Elantra turbo and a Civic turbo side by side. Take RV out of the equation and there is very little to recommend the Civic over the Elantra.

The Elantra turbo will cater to young adults who have yet to start their family. Buyers in this segment do not bother much about RV; actually most of them can't see beyond 3-4 years. They expect to drive the car for 5 years and what comes next is too far to think about.

Family men will still go for the Civic. It's a safe choice. Spacious, economical and good RV. Plus it's hard to convince their wives why they should buy a Korean car over a Jap car for the same price. They get slammed with RV, RV, RV until they surrender.

Yes, I think the Elantra turbo will sell reasonably well. There won't be any firesale price like the Veloster. That was a miscalculation by SD who misjudged the appeal of a 2 door coupe.

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Good that elantra is here. The extra price of turbo really worth for the amount of power boost it has over civic ketam.

And who cares on resale value If they want to use it for 9 or more years?

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QUOTE(DigitalMop @ Jun 7 2017, 05:20 PM)
i saw elantra for 54k where else civic still around rm70k
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So u need to sort from cheapest price

QUOTE(kluseng @ Jun 7 2017, 09:03 PM)
For the same price as the Civic turbo I would choose the Elantra 1.6T for these reasons (not that I'm in the market for another 3 years)

1. More powerful
2. DCT is better for spirited driving than CVT
3. Built quality should be better than Honda's shitty CKD quality
4. Not impressed with Civic crab rear lights.
5. Has sports mode for an exhilarating drive and normal mode for family drives
6. Elantra has 3 years free service.
7. Honda's maintenance schedule for Civic turbo is ridiculous!

Lower RV doesn't bother me. I buy a car to enjoy, not for investment.
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QUOTE(sp3d2 @ Jun 7 2017, 11:50 PM)
Good that elantra is here.  The extra price of turbo really worth for the amount of power boost it has over civic ketam.

And who cares on resale value If they want to use it for 9 or more years?
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Agreed. My forte aldy 7yrs n just running 100k km now due to ride kapcai to work
Price now around 30k still worth when bought at 95k (2.0cc)
Saw few people aldy hit 250k km after 7yrs n if i folo that, i need another 10yrs to hit 250k km meaning 17yrs of total ownership
17yrs any car of coz no RV lorrr...
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QUOTE(epo @ Jun 8 2017, 12:00 AM)
When i wanna sell my car, SA refer to mudah.my for lowest price
So u need to sort from cheapest price
Agreed. My forte aldy 7yrs n just running 100k km now due to ride kapcai to work
Price now around 30k still worth when bought at 95k (2.0cc)
Saw few people aldy hit 250k km after 7yrs n if i folo that, i need another 10yrs to hit 250k km meaning 17yrs of total ownership
17yrs any car of coz no RV lorrr...
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end of the day.. if you are expecting to drive the car until it is obsolete which i'm expecting at least 15 years, just buy whatever car you like.. becuase RV doesn't matter anymore for such case.. But that is also dilemma when coming to pick a car... totally like picking wife too cause you are expecting a long ownership.. pick a car that you can stick with it for 15 years will give you headache.. which is what i'm having now.. rclxub.gif
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QUOTE(KennyKB @ Jun 7 2017, 11:02 PM)
I agree with your points. Compare the Elantra turbo and a Civic turbo side by side. Take RV out of the equation and there is very little to recommend the Civic over the Elantra.

The Elantra turbo will cater to young adults who have yet to start their family. Buyers in this segment do not bother much about RV; actually most of them can't see beyond 3-4 years. They expect to drive the car for 5 years and what comes next is too far to think about.

Family men will still go for the Civic. It's a safe choice. Spacious, economical and good RV. Plus it's hard to convince their wives why they should buy a Korean car over a Jap car for the same price. They get slammed with RV, RV, RV until they surrender.

Yes, I think the Elantra turbo will sell reasonably well. There won't be any firesale price like the Veloster. That was a miscalculation by SD who misjudged the appeal of a 2 door coupe.
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QUOTE(KennyKB @ Jun 7 2017, 11:02 PM)
The Elantra turbo will cater to young adults who have yet to start their family. Buyers in this segment do not bother much about RV; actually most of them can't see beyond 3-4 years. They expect to drive the car for 5 years and what comes next is too far to think about.

Family men will still go for the Civic. It's a safe choice. Spacious, economical and good RV. Plus it's hard to convince their wives why they should buy a Korean car over a Jap car for the same price. They get slammed with RV, RV, RV until they surrender.

Yes, I think the Elantra turbo will sell reasonably well. There won't be any firesale price like the Veloster. That was a miscalculation by SD who misjudged the appeal of a 2 door coupe.
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Why do people keep associating the Civic for family men for this segment of cars? Mazda3 can understand la, as it has the smallest interior in the segment, although it suit me fine with a family of 4 with a full sized child seat. The Elantra will be spacious and cold have a better refinement compared to the Civic as that's the edge the koreans usually have against Japanese counterparts.

The Elantra turbo will still serve as niche market for people who wants the added performance but doesn't like the Civic and want to have a more sense of exclusivity without the compromise of the Mazda3 nor the boring Altis.

The one that could sell better is the Tucson turbo. None of the mainstream Asian marques (subaru aside) has a peppy turbo variant within the mid size SUV segment at the moment. But still, being Korean, most buyers will stay on the sidelines waiting to check out the CRV turbo. Korean cars are really an under appreciated bunch....

QUOTE(demetry @ Jun 8 2017, 10:09 AM)
how about maintenance from Hyundai sime darby companies? as i heard feedback is not good. appreciate comments if you are owners.
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If you want to have super extensive SC network, please look none other than Proton, Perodua, Honda and Toyota. All marques' SC will have a mixed bag of good and bad ones regardless local, japanese, korean or continental. Know a little bit of basic engineering, can help you a long way from getting confused and ill advised.

I owned a hyundai before and the maintenance experience is fine, not as fantastic as some of the larger toyota and honda's SC, but good enough. The cost is similar to Japanese marques, just that they like to add in optional maintenance items to boost their income. That's the only thing to take note during servicing. But now new models come with free service package, saves you the worry for the 1st 3 years. Also, There's no crazy advance booking required like what honda is facing now and walk ins are usually able to get entertained, just at the end of the que.

Mechanically wise, they are at least comparably to the Japanese. The korean industries in general are hell bent to beat the Japanese, so they work on their shortcomings. Please don't bring the old tales of the maintenance nightmares, as it is old tales. Those models around the turn of the decade are robust. Parts availability are not as scarce anymore and the price are reasonable if you know where to look for. Just ignore jayraptor's paranoid rants, he and his gang are just stucked up.

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I'm impressed with how Korean cars keep improving from model to model. The perception that K cars are technologically inferior to Jap cars is no longer valid. In fact they are moving ahead of Japs with turbo charging. Japs still have no confidence to turbocharge their engines. The Honda Civic turbo is just a whimpy effort. It has just about enough power to beat the NA Mazda 3 but only just. Coupled with CVT is a waste of time. Look at the power of the Elantra Sport and the Kia Optima GT. Jap car manufacturers have stagnated just like Jap electronics. They are too conservative.
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QUOTE(kluseng @ Jun 8 2017, 11:22 AM)
I'm impressed with how Korean cars keep improving from model to model. The perception that K cars are technologically inferior to Jap cars is no longer valid. In fact they are moving ahead of Japs with turbo charging. Japs still have no confidence to turbocharge their engines. The Honda Civic turbo is just a whimpy effort. It has just about enough power to beat the NA Mazda 3 but only just. Coupled with CVT is a waste of time. Look at the power of the Elantra Sport and the Kia Optima GT.  Jap car manufacturers have stagnated just like Jap electronics. They are too conservative.
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Actually, the Jap's have advanced and powerful powertrains in larger markets. Because of the heavily biased perception of the Japanese marques in this region, they can get away with fitting older stuffs. If you visit countries that are less developed than ours in the ASEAN region, you can see that those countries are dumping grounds for obsolete models.

On our soil, we are the "dump site" for the Estima and Vellfire, yet can get away of insane jacked up prices. Someone was kind enough to show a rough costing for these types cars, i can only shake our head and wonder why those AP holders can get away with it for so long and no solid revamp on the policy was made all these years. These are the peoples that the authorities should target under anti profiteering act. The margins are outrageous!
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I'm impressed with how Korean cars keep improving from model to model. The perception that K cars are technologically inferior to Jap cars is no longer valid. In fact they are moving ahead of Japs with turbo charging. Japs still have no confidence to turbocharge their engines. The Honda Civic turbo is just a whimpy effort. It has just about enough power to beat the NA Mazda 3 but only just. Coupled with CVT is a waste of time. Look at the power of the Elantra Sport and the Kia Optima GT.  Jap car manufacturers have stagnated just like Jap electronics. They are too conservative.
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They are still inferior in the powerplant department. Have you ever own a Korean car? Their FC is really bad for city drive. Highway drive and city drive very big difference.

For me, I would buy a Korean car because it is better equipped. One of the reason why I bought Rio instead of Jazz or City. Since their RV would hurt a bit, I bought mine for 71K versus a 80K+ V/E spec Jazz/City. Savings from less loan interest + discount + free service for 3 years (60K) was enough for me to choose it.

The downside of Kcars would be aftersales services. All the SC said my Sonata ac was like that by design. They also cant find the cause of my mice problem which I solved myself after accidentally found the cause of it. My ac compressor was only replaced after I wrote a feedback to Hyundai Korea who instructed SD to arrange a replacement.

Koreans are competitive, but crony is not. If Koreans managed to setup here properly, then I would not mind to recommend them. I was willing to take the risk because of my wife low mileage (7k in 2 years). For the same price, I would buy something else.

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Drive the DCT long enough and you will know why people complain it. No matter whether it is dry or wet
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This morning near tol jln duta saw 3 truck loaded with alza, brv & new elantra
demmm 1st time look elantra in real, kenot tahan the spicy red kaler...
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They are still inferior in the powerplant department. Have you ever own a Korean car? Their FC is really bad for city drive. Highway drive and city drive very big difference.

For me, I would buy a Korean car because it is better equipped. One of the reason why I bought Rio instead of Jazz or City. Since their RV would hurt a bit, I bought mine for 71K versus a 80K+ V/E spec Jazz/City. Savings from less loan interest + discount + free service for 3 years (60K) was enough for me to choose it.

The downside of Kcars would be aftersales services. All the SC said my Sonata ac was like that by design. They also cant find the cause of my mice problem which I solved myself after accidentally found the cause of it. My ac compressor was only replaced after I wrote a feedback to Hyundai Korea who instructed SD to arrange a replacement.

Koreans are competitive, but crony is not. If Koreans managed to setup here properly, then I would not mind to recommend them. I was willing to take the risk because of my wife low mileage (7k in 2 years). For the same price, I would buy something else.
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So true. I sold my veloster turbo because drinks fuel like crazy ( same stuffs with the new elantra but less power tuned ) and The aftersales is even worse than proton. Unless koreans decide to even bother with malaysia unlike mazda


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QUOTE(Eternalgl0ry @ Jun 8 2017, 12:18 PM)
Drive the DCT long enough and you will know why people complain it. No matter whether it is dry or wet
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what 'long' u refer ? in hours or mileages ?

QUOTE(Eternalgl0ry @ Jun 8 2017, 12:49 PM)
So true. I sold my veloster turbo because drinks fuel like crazy ( same stuffs with the new elantra but less power tuned ) and The aftersales is even worse than proton. Unless koreans decide to even bother with malaysia unlike mazda
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minor servis like EO, OF, AF, ATF oil, plug are nonsense to do at SC, waste time & need take leave... will buy part at segambut
yes warranty will void but as long u jaga ur car nicely, u should not be worried... this is what i did at my 3 current cars now ( 2 with me, 1 with parents )

Facing with "that's no issue", "that's normal", "it's always like that", "can u come next week" SC attitude, plus force to chg item that no need to chg (chg brake fluid, steering fluid, ekon gas), i decided to stop send my car to SC in 2008 until today.
And i feel my w/shop is better than SC in handling/servicing my cars

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just a small reasearch from a friend (similar model to elantra)
new price based on paultan and 2017 price based on mudah.my (lowest)
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look like inspira still got a lot of demand.
izit coz to evo X conversion (bodykit + halfcut turbo engine) ?

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Why so little Kia/Hyundai there?


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Why so little Kia/Hyundai there?
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what other kia/hyundai model in 2010 with 1.8-2.0cc ? similar to elantra price
Coz we wanna compare RV after 7yrs
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what other kia/hyundai model in 2010 with 1.8-2.0cc ? similar to elantra price
Coz we wanna compare RV after 7yrs
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I thought C segment mah.
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I thought C segment mah.
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QUOTE(Eternalgl0ry @ Jun 8 2017, 12:49 PM)
So true. I sold my veloster turbo because drinks fuel like crazy ( same stuffs with the new elantra but less power tuned ) and The aftersales is even worse than proton. Unless koreans decide to even bother with malaysia unlike mazda
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How old was your Volester and how crazy did it drink fuel?

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QUOTE(Eternalgl0ry @ Jun 8 2017, 12:49 PM)
So true. I sold my veloster turbo because drinks fuel like crazy ( same stuffs with the new elantra but less power tuned ) and The aftersales is even worse than proton. Unless koreans decide to even bother with malaysia unlike mazda
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How is the DCT? no issues? reliable?
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How is the DCT? no issues? reliable?
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Judder at low speed
This weekend who test drive at glenmarie with laurateoh can provide feedback
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Have a 6MT option then it has an unique position in the market.
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Tmrw who go test drive, pls test 0-100kmh
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test drove
brutal acceleration with 5 adults
kept on slamming back to the seat
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test drove
brutal acceleration with 5 adults
kept on slamming back to the seat
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Wow, powerful.
Did u test the Android Auto? How many speakers in the car? Sound quality ok?
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Wow, powerful.
Did u test the Android Auto? How many speakers in the car? Sound quality ok?
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sorry did not manage to explore much. maybe will test more this weekend. kinda rush as curi some time during lunch hour to test and the SA only allow short distance. Cos my aim is to test the acceleration. This is the first time i drove a car that goes 0-100 in <7sec.. damn. nv forget the experience.
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test drove
brutal acceleration with 5 adults
kept on slamming back to the seat
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aiseyyy... x record video dgn hp kaa...
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Oh my Gawd! This will tapau Civic.
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QUOTE(N33d @ Jun 9 2017, 02:49 PM)
sorry did not manage to explore much. maybe will test more this weekend. kinda rush as curi some time during lunch hour to test and the SA only allow short distance. Cos my aim is to test the acceleration. This is the first time i drove a car that goes 0-100 in <7sec.. damn. nv forget the experience.
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Acceleration tabau civic turbo already.

Just checked pt.org, frm the new site photos at Glenmarie, elantra macam 4 speakers only and with 2 tweeters. Hopefully the tweeters are not fake one like first batch elantra.

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QUOTE(Ginny88 @ Jun 9 2017, 03:36 PM)
Oh my Gawd! This will tapau Civic.
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Hyundai fans in UK start to crank their elantraT
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aiseyyy... x record video dgn hp kaa...
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while my col busy ... snapping pic sweat.gif
my SA quite big size, else i think it could go faster LOL

ai yah now i remembered one thing, i forget to turn off the traction control and get in sport mode. did the sprint in normal mode, but that is enuf to give me adrenaline rush. No problem having nice wheels spin while doing jackrabbit launch, but traction control will intervene to spoil the party
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The red leather seats look so Ah Beng. Do they have other options? (Not everybody who likes powerful cars are young la...some are young at heart. biggrin.gif )

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QUOTE(N33d @ Jun 9 2017, 07:25 PM)
ai yah now i remembered one thing, i forget to turn off the traction control and get in sport mode. did the sprint in normal mode, but that is enuf to give me adrenaline rush. No problem having nice wheels spin while doing jackrabbit launch, but traction control will intervene to spoil the party
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With TC on & wheelspin?


QUOTE(kluseng @ Jun 9 2017, 08:33 PM)
The red leather seats look so Ah Beng. Do they have other options? (Not everybody who likes powerful cars are young la...some are young at heart.  biggrin.gif )
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True. Those leather seats in Optima GT is awesome.



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QUOTE(wkc5657 @ Jun 9 2017, 03:55 PM)
By the way, where is the source of that article?
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If not mistaken utube elantra turbo usa

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QUOTE(kluseng @ Jun 9 2017, 08:33 PM)
The red leather seats look so Ah Beng. Do they have other options? (Not everybody who likes powerful cars are young la...some are young at heart.  biggrin.gif )
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If I ever buy this car the first thing I will change is the scarlet leather parts of the seats. They look horrible on anybody more than 25 years old and even for the youngsters it screams Ah Beng!!
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QUOTE(sitescope @ Jun 9 2017, 10:23 PM)
If not mistaken utube elantra turbo usa
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I meant this article that you posted in page 21, can you give the link :

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QUOTE(wkc5657 @ Jun 10 2017, 08:25 AM)
I meant this article that you posted in page 21, can you give the link :
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Just paste the first sentence into Google search This is the result:
https://www.facebook.com/torktuned/posts/1410474429024159
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https://youtu.be/IzV_zGVGrFw
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https://youtu.be/u9fWmGWVPTA

Elantra vs civic ketam
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Just saw the car, the red color leather seat is a super turn off. I have no idea why can't they stick with black with red stitching. Interior does feel a bit cheapo. No test drive car available at the moment
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glenmarie hyundai got test car. come over if ure near
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QUOTE(selinix @ Jun 10 2017, 01:47 PM)
Just saw the car, the red color leather seat is a super turn off. I have no idea why can't they stick with black with red stitching. Interior does feel a bit cheapo. No test drive car available at the moment
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Agreed. Look at the red seats...potong stim.

Who is Hyundai targeting this car for? Young Ah Beng hot rodders have no money to buy this car. At the price they are selling the buyer will probably be middle age and embarrassed to be seen with these red seats.
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QUOTE(laurateoh @ Jun 10 2017, 02:40 PM)
glenmarie hyundai got test car. come over if ure near
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If can extend till 10pm might come

QUOTE(KennyKB @ Jun 10 2017, 03:07 PM)
Agreed. Look at the red seats...potong stim.

Who is Hyundai targeting this car for? Young Ah Beng hot rodders have no money to buy this car. At the price they are selling the buyer will probably be middle age and embarrassed to be seen with these red seats.
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QUOTE(KennyKB @ Jun 10 2017, 03:07 PM)
Agreed. Look at the red seats...potong stim.

Who is Hyundai targeting this car for? Young Ah Beng hot rodders have no money to buy this car. At the price they are selling the buyer will probably be middle age and embarrassed to be seen with these red seats.
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The red used is really bright and sharp, it just makes it feels so disturbing, for the lack of better word. Like you said, terus potong stim when you look at the interior as a whole.

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QUOTE(sitescope @ Jun 8 2017, 02:28 PM)
just a small reasearch from a friend (similar model to elantra)
new price based on paultan and 2017 price based on mudah.my (lowest)
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look like inspira still got a lot of demand.
izit coz to evo X conversion (bodykit + halfcut turbo engine) ?
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Nice reasearch. But can't really compare as new korean, conti and inspira got alot of discount compared to Japanese.

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Go to see the car just now. Looks much bigger than the Ioniq beside it. Exterior really nice except for the rim. A bit disappointed with the material used for the interior, my old Elantra HD has much better interior quality. And yes the red leather seat looks horrible and whoever made the decision to use it is stupid.
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QUOTE(throx @ Jun 10 2017, 06:34 PM)
Go to see the car just now. Looks much bigger than the Ioniq beside it. Exterior really nice except for the rim. A bit disappointed with the material used for the interior, my old Elantra HD has much better interior quality. And yes the red leather seat looks horrible and whoever made the decision to use it is stupid.
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If the Elantra turbo becomes popular we will see upholstery shops having "Special Elantra red leather replacement package."

Bad choice, Sime-Darby. You don't even know your target market.

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QUOTE(selinix @ Jun 10 2017, 04:41 PM)
The red used is really bright and sharp, it just makes it feels so disturbing, for the lack of better word. Like you said, terus potong stim when you look at the interior as a whole.
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The word SPORT on the red leathers makes it more ah beng.
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The SA should start feedback to sime darby to give buyers the option to opt out the red leather and use full black instead.
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If they use darker shade of red will looks better. I like dual tone interior but this bright red looks off!

I noticed Malaysian loves gloomy / dark/ black interior...


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Anyone already test drive or even book the car ?

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