Let me preface this by saying I'm not a Kimchi hater (yes, it is necessary because this is LYN and this tered smells like something from /k). I actually like some of them, and considers the Ioniq to be a great bargain.

Anyway, Kimchi engines usually have higher, more impressive figures than their similiarly displaced peers, for example the Cerato's 1.6NA has 130hp while the Rio's 1.4l NA has 109hp. But the real world performance leaves alot to be desired.

Let's just say I personally take their official figures with a pinch of salt, no matter how impressive they are.

This post has been edited by dares: Jan 25 2017, 08:28 PM

Mazda3....Ford Focus...

I don't disagree, Looking forward to test drive.

jayraptor

6MT for the turbo variant.

Biar betul

I highly doubt it as well. Referring to sitescope's list, I wonder what is his source

Don't worry, Sime Darby mia sales tactic is price high then give steep discounts.

Look at Focus 1.5T.

144k OTR

This tactic is not limited to SD....VW is even worse. Remember the pre-facelift Jetta discounted to 110k, then 88k.....screwing over owners who paid full price 134k just 2 months before. Moving up the price scale, the Passat and CC got up to 40-50k discount IIRC.

Rule of thumb when buying European cars in Malaysia....wait for the discounts. I think this strategy will soon be applied to Kimchis as well as the principles shift the prices up closer to the Sushis, and discover they cannot compete at the same price.

Currently no idea, don't follow their promotions anymore. Circa October 2016, my SA offered me 12k discount for 2016 model.

I asked (out of curiousity), gimme a deal where I don't have to pay d/p. He say it can be arranged. I think now you can get a Trend variant (kosong spek) for around 100k.

This post has been edited by dares: Jun 3 2017, 02:30 AM

In chinese there is a phrase "有价无市" - the product has value by itself, but it has no demand from the market.

Example, the Cerato has great value (other than the KX), the 2.0l is sold at the similiar price as a Jap 2.0l C-segment. How many Cerato 2.0l do you see compared to Altis/Civic FB/Civic FC?

Not to mention, some values like being CBU adds nothing to the desirability to most Malaysians, it only increases the price tag.

Why Jetta can sell at that price? because the brand is desirable. Do you think KIA/Hyundai enjoys the same kind of brand recognition as VW in this country, despite VW's troubles. And even so, VW frequently throw promotions to move their sales along.

This is the reality of the Malaysian market and SEA countries in general - we are basically the land of Honda/Toyota.When the Forte came out at 100k with all the bells and whistles, it sold like hotcake and was touted as the turning point for the Kimchis in Malaysia....the out came the Cerato with a steep price hike and the sales figures drastically.

Increasing value in a product is easy, but raising the perceived value of the product in the market is much, much more tricky.

This post has been edited by dares: Jun 3 2017, 11:24 AM

Come to think about it, the price high then give steep discounts is brilliant.

Customer feel syok coz they think they got a good deal, and then no need pay D/P because already discounted!

If the discount is steep enough, can even contra the customer's outstanding loan on their current car!

woohoo brilliant SD strategy.

This post has been edited by dares: Jun 7 2017, 03:17 PM

How is the DCT? no issues? reliable?

FN2R also lose.

The Veloster 1.6NA was launched in 2012. His Veloster Turbo was launched in 2015. So his DCT was definitely not one of the early batches.

Ioniq DCT is too soon to tell, plus, it is not the same DCT as the Veloster. The Elantra's DCT is same as Veloster's.

I just saw it today hahahah oh mai god

New Type R rice like heck from inside to outside.

I've driven an MT for many years and now I'm driving AT. For me it's just two sides of the same coin - your elitist comments against ppl who drive AT is totally uncalled for.

It's the reality of our market that MT cars can hardly sell once you go above RM60k-70k. But If circumstances are different and we get more MT choices in every brand and every model, the Elantra Turbo would not be at the top of my list anyway.

Focus with discounts

I have mentioned a few times already in this forum. SDAC Ford overpriced their passenger models.

The sudden drop in sales started with the introduction of the facelift Focus, where the top spec model went from 128k to 144k. Following that, the Fiesta Ecoboost went from 94k to 102k. Basically they priced this two previously high volume models into the price bracket of one segment above.

You compare the prices of B/C segments of Peugeot and VW, its not hard to see why consumers turn away from Ford nowadays.

Now SD seems to look to pull the same crap with Hyundai.

This post has been edited by dares: Jun 21 2017, 09:32 PM