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post Oct 22 2016, 12:55 PM, updated 9y ago

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Fundsupermart.com (FSM) Malaysia is the online unit trust distribution arm of iFAST Capital Sdn. Bhd. ("iFAST Capital").

iFAST Capital is a holder of a Capital Markets Services Licence (CMSL) and is licensed by the Securities Commission to conduct the following regulated activities:

- To deal in unit trusts
- To offer investment advisory services
- To deal in Private Retirement Scheme

iFAST Capital is also registered with the Federation of Investment Managers Malaysia (FiMM) as an Institutional Unit Trust Adviser (IUTA).

iFAST Capital is a subsidiary of iFAST Malaysia Sdn. Bhd., which is wholly owned by iFAST Corporation Ltd. ("iFAST Corporation"). iFAST Corporation is headquartered in Singapore and the iFAST group of companies are also present in Hong Kong, Malaysia and China. The company was incorporated in Singapore on 10 January 2000.

iFAST Corporation was listed on the Singapore Exchange Mainboard in December 2014.

iFAST Corporation, via its wholly owned subsidiary iFAST Financial Pte. Ltd., is Singapore's leading online distributor of unit trusts as well as the leading operator of an investment platform for financial advisers and financial institutions. It carries the Capital Markets Services (CMS) and Financial Adviser (FA) licences issued by the Monetary Authority of Singapore (MAS), and is also one of three appointed Central Provident Board (CPF) Investment Administrators.

One of iFAST Corporation's shareholders is SPH AsiaOne Ltd, the Internet arm of Singapore Press Holdings, which is Singapore's largest media group. In recent years, iFAST Corporation has been expanding beyond local shores. In 2007, iFAST Corporation launched its first overseas business, Fundsupermart in Hong Kong and in 2008, it launched Fundsupermart in Malaysia. iFAST Corporation launched its office in China in 2014.

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1. Wide range of information
2. Extensive product range and value-added services
3. One of the cheapest Sales Charges in town! thumbup.gif
To keep discussions at this thread fruitful and constructive, it would be greatly appreciated that fellow investors try to look for answer to their queries at Frequently Asked Questions before posting here. icon_rolleyes.gif

And FSM has a very helpful LIVE Customer Service, MAKE FULL USE OF THEM. Look for this at FSM home page:
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What is unit trust?
Federation of Investment Managers Malaysia - ABC of Unit Trusts

Other FAQs on Fundsupermart.com and unit trust investing in general

1. NAV pricing and processing time
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2. The NAV price of the fund that I'm interested in is quite high now, should I stay away? Investment gurus always say "buy low, sell high"...
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FSM Idea Of The Week: Unit Split and High Fund Price Misconceptions [24 October 2014]
3. Common misconceptions about unit trust dividends/distributions:

(i) After dividend distribution, NAV price will go down, the fund will become cheaper.
(ii) A fund that declares dividends is better than a fund that does not, dividends are my profit, they make me richer.

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(iii) Topping up my holdings after dividend distribution pulls down my cost per unit, lower cost = higher profit.
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(iv) Distribution = Income

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4. Annual Management Charge, Trustee Fee and NAV pricing
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5. Return On Investment (ROI) vs Annualised Return, similar to Internal Rate of Return (IRR)
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Important link to v8 - The MS Excel Masterclass version!

Download here >>> Pinky's Portfolio Worksheet with IRR Calculation

Download here >>> polarzbearz's Portfolio Summary with Pinky's IRR Calculation (and here for Polarzbearz's FSM-to-Spreadsheet Conversion Tool)
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Make sure you read the instructions as many of the cells have formula in it. You can freely modify, update, or change it to suit your needs (and even share with others if you don't mind tongue.gif )

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I am not a UT agent, nor am I employed by FSM. All my comments here are posted in good faith and with the intention to share knowledge. I am not to be held liable for any losses that may be incurred as a result of following any advice/opinion shared here. I believe the same should be applicable for any other LYN members posting here.
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post Oct 22 2016, 12:56 PM

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post Oct 22 2016, 01:06 PM

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checking in.....
thanks AIYH for doing it......
thanks PINK for having done it.


links previous version (version 15)
https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/4047177/+1980#entry82227464

QUOTE(dasecret @ Oct 29 2016, 10:32 PM)
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Sharing is caring so here you go, play around and have fun!
http://iportfolio.com.my/snapshot

It's somewhat similar to FSM's portfolio simulator, but has more info on downside risk, and has almost all the funds available in Msia. Doesn't work with ASB VP funds since I think they don't publish fund price daily
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QUOTE(river.sand @ Nov 8 2016, 05:36 PM)
Attached is an insurance policy with savings plan, which I got from somewhere.

The annual premium is 1800, of which 1200 goes into the savings plan.
Note that at the end of Year-16, cash value in the Investment Unit Account will be paid to the policy holder.

You guys may want to compute the IRR for this policy, either based on total premium or just the savings portion.
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https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?act=Atta...post&id=7982690

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QUOTE(adele123 @ Nov 8 2016, 07:59 PM)
IRR 3.50%. Please note that this is an insurance product, charges are deducted for insurance coverage and not all insurance plan are the same.

IRR river sand

do i get paid?
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QUOTE(dasecret @ Nov 27 2016, 11:42 PM)
Interesting observation. I've always thought just like volatility, correlation is a number that uses 3 years rolling data to derive. As such, it is quite impossible for correlation to change from 0.7 to 0.4 in a month or 2

Boss, where do you get your correlation number? The Morningstar portfolio x-ray? could it be that they now provides MYR term correlation instead of USD term?

Actuallylukenn gave me another link to morningstar free trial to test out and it's supposed to give MYR correlation numbers, but I've been busy and have not test it out yet. Why don't you guys give it a try and provide reviews here

http://www.morningstar.com/company/direct

Have fun!
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reporting in too....

thanks to AIYH and Pink.....

pinned here for reference to
something abt 20%pa returns on HLA wealth plans....
https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/4154583

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Ohya, on behalf of nexona88 laugh.gif

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Ponzi 1.0 ---> Affin Hwang Select Asia (Ex Japan) Quantum Fund

Ponzi 2.0 ---> CIMB-Principal Asia Pacific Dynamic Income Fund

Evergreen Fund / Lee Sook Yee   wub.gif  wub.gif  ---> Kenanga Growth Fund

Aladdin Fund ---> Aberdeen Islamic World Equity Fund

Small-Cap/Kap Chai Fund  ---> Eastspring Investment Small-Cap Fund

Titanic Fund  ---> CIMB-Principle Global Titan Fund

Anitamui Fund ---> Libra Asnita Bond Fund

p/s: Reason for nickname Ponzi Because of its impressive return in short term (historical)


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QUOTE(AIYH @ Oct 22 2016, 01:38 PM)
Ohya, on behalf of nexona88  laugh.gif
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Oh thanks for tag me..

Anyhow

Check in ~ rclxm9.gif
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post Oct 22 2016, 02:49 PM

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kimyee73 Be careful with forex. Can wipe you out anytime if you on the wrong side of the trade and financial earthquake happened like CHF in Jan 2015 and GBP recently. A friend told me his friend made 40% during a GBP sudden drop 1-2 weeks ago. Someone just lost 40% on the other side.

My reply

Yup i know the risk of forex. anyway, i already got back my capital and what's in there are pure profit roll over. so even worst case situation, no impact to me. moreover my system is designed to withstand such cases (Note : I survive during recent eur big drop and also the recent GBP big spike down (not Brexit thing)) laugh.gif

most importantly as in any investment, you need to know how to withdraw, not just keep compounding

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TQ Aiyh!
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EQ 94% FI 6%

Msia 89%
Asia Inc Japan 6%
Asia Ex Japan 3%
Greater China 2%

General 78%
Small Cap 22%

Too heavy in KGF and EiSC. But I saw a news that I was supposedly heavy in Asia Ex Japan.

How ?
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Those want to reply previous thread but now locked / closed can still reply..

Open 2 tab. 1 for the old thread. 1 for new thread.
The old thread click +quote. Then can reply on new thread..

Something like that hor blush.gif
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post Oct 22 2016, 02:57 PM

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test reply old thread that's closed
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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Oct 22 2016, 02:55 PM)
Those want to reply previous thread but now locked / closed can still reply..

Open 2 tab. 1 for the old thread. 1 for new thread.
The old thread click +quote. Then can reply on new thread..

Something like that hor blush.gif
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doesn't work also laugh.gif
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QUOTE(T231H @ Oct 22 2016, 12:37 PM)
wow,...puchongite and you asked about it at 11am.....
Thestar published this just 30minutes later........ notworthy.gif

Saturday, 22 October 2016 | MYT 11:55 AM
Bursa likely to keep uptrend next week
http://www.thestar.com.my/business/busines...rend-next-week/

Saturday, 22 October 2016 | MYT 11:44 AM
Ringgit expected to rally next week on positive sentiment
http://www.thestar.com.my/business/busines...tive-sentiment/
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The star also read FSM thread laugh.gif

brotan working for me devil.gif
Replying to old post in new thread.n

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Yes, actually to be fair to TSes, LYN should allow TS to delete unwanted posts, just like in Facebook.

Anyway that's another issue for another day. wink.gif
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Totally agreed..
I want to delete some of the reply in my thread also cannot..
That fellow love to disturbing me & make angry only..
Lucky not not so much..
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QUOTE(prince_mk @ Oct 22 2016, 02:55 PM)
EQ 94% FI 6%

Msia 89%
Asia Inc Japan 6%
Asia Ex Japan 3%
Greater China 2%

General 78%
Small Cap 22%

Too heavy in KGF and EiSC. But I saw a news that I was supposedly heavy in Asia Ex Japan.

How ?
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Mind disclose what funds do you have?

You might consider shifting some KGF and EISC to Ponzi 2.0 or RHB AIF or Ponzi 1.0 (1/3 in Malaysia) to increase exposure on Asia Ex Japan

For bond sides you may also consider RHB ATF or EBMF.

If you are interested in REITS UT, you may consider AmAsia REITS (Asia inc Jpn but more diversified) or Manulife Reits (Asia ex Jpn but 1/2 in Singapore)
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QUOTE(AIYH @ Oct 22 2016, 03:07 PM)
Mind disclose what funds do you have?

You might consider shifting some KGF and EISC to Ponzi 2.0 or RHB AIF or Ponzi 1.0 (1/3 in Malaysia) to increase exposure on Asia Ex Japan

For bond sides you may also consider RHB ATF or EBMF.

If you are interested in REITS UT, you may consider AmAsia REITS (Asia inc Jpn but more diversified) or Manulife Reits (Asia ex Jpn but 1/2 in Singapore)
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Almost all KGF and EiSC are using epf monies. KIV Titan using epf monies too.

Cash purchase were in RHB ATRF, EISC (few K), KGF (few K), Amasia Reits.

Sold ponzi 2 few mths ago. I think I should buy Asia ex Japan fund. Ponzi 1 or Ponzi 2? Any other Asia Ex Japan can I consider?

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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Oct 22 2016, 03:06 PM)
+1
Totally agreed..
I want to delete some of the reply in my thread also cannot..
That fellow love to disturbing me & make angry only..
Lucky not not so much..
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Really got make u angry? Thought you layan him very well
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QUOTE(prince_mk @ Oct 22 2016, 03:18 PM)
Almost all KGF and EiSC are using epf monies. KIV Titan using epf monies too.

Cash purchase were in RHB ATRF, EISC (few K), KGF (few K), Amasia Reits.

Sold ponzi 2 few mths ago. I think I should buy Asia ex Japan fund. Ponzi 1 or Ponzi 2? Any other Asia Ex Japan can I consider?
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Since your major malaysia funds are using EPF

I suggest divert your cash purchase in malaysia equity into asia pac funds

Since you have RHB ATR, will suggest Ponzi 2.0, Ponzi 1.0 if you want small cap, or you may go for both equally smile.gif
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why close thread. the previous one barely hit 3k
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QUOTE(Avangelice @ Oct 22 2016, 05:48 PM)
why close thread. the previous one barely hit 3k
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If you see the last 2 pages of the previous pages, that's his reason tongue.gif
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I hardly ask for help with analysis of my portfolio but can some kind soul let me know if I'm doing everything right before the end of this year?
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QUOTE(Avangelice @ Oct 22 2016, 06:04 PM)
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I hardly ask for help with analysis of my portfolio but can some kind soul let me know if I'm doing everything right before the end of this year?
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You are positive for Malaysia market? tongue.gif

Edit: see wrong laugh.gif

Quite balance smile.gif

Your Anita mui is reserve or part of portfolio?

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QUOTE(AIYH @ Oct 22 2016, 06:18 PM)
You are positive for Malaysia market? tongue.gif
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the whole thing gone wonky after putting a sum of money into libra and kap chai

Anyways all good?

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QUOTE(Avangelice @ Oct 22 2016, 06:22 PM)
the whole thing gone wonky after putting a sum of money into libra and kap chai

Anyways all good?
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Quite balance smile.gif

Your Libra is reserve or part of the portfolio?
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QUOTE(Avangelice @ Oct 22 2016, 06:22 PM)
the whole thing gone wonky after putting a sum of money into libra and kap chai

Anyways all good?
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If you can hold, I will suggest either rhb bond over libra asnita.
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QUOTE(AIYH @ Oct 22 2016, 06:41 PM)
Quite balance smile.gif

Your Libra is reserve or part of the portfolio?
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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Oct 22 2016, 07:01 PM)
If you can hold, I will suggest either rhb bond over libra asnita.
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to answer to both questions, libra will be a reserve to lock down profits while keeping the funds in circulation in UT.

where as rbh bond, I am waiting for my FD of 30k to mature on the 11th of november and dump 25k onto the fund where as the other 5k will be parked as an emergency fund with fd maturing every 3 months.

I also withdrawn my prusaver account with prudential, getting around 3600myr to be placed into my hlebroker to buy stocks.

normal month to month saving will be done to perform DCA on equities and balance funds

I am trying my best to stabilize as much of my funds and maximize tax reliefs by 2017

the future scares me and the pessimist in me worries
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QUOTE(Avangelice @ Oct 22 2016, 06:04 PM)
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Looks good. Not perfect, but you show a basic understand of good diversification and know "how to play" UTF.

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QUOTE(xuzen @ Oct 22 2016, 07:57 PM)
Looks good. Not perfect, but you show a basic understand of good diversification and know "how to play" UTF.

Xuzen
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Can sifu comment a bit how to make it perfect?

wanna learn from sifu here... rclxms.gif
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QUOTE(xuzen @ Oct 22 2016, 07:57 PM)
Looks good. Not perfect, but you show a basic understand of good diversification and know "how to play" UTF.

Xuzen
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QUOTE(prince_mk @ Oct 22 2016, 03:18 PM)
Almost all KGF and EiSC are using epf monies. KIV Titan using epf monies too.

Cash purchase were in RHB ATRF, EISC (few K), KGF (few K), Amasia Reits.

Sold ponzi 2 few mths ago. I think I should buy Asia ex Japan fund. Ponzi 1 or Ponzi 2? Any other Asia Ex Japan can I consider?
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Why did you sell ponzi 2.0 previously? Is the reason still there? If so why buy it again now?

QUOTE(Avangelice @ Oct 22 2016, 06:04 PM)
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India 24.04%.... want to consider lower that a bit? consider it as taking profit
Perhaps put in Asia ex Japan since FSM so gungho with Asia ex Jap

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QUOTE(Vanguard 2015 @ Oct 21 2016, 04:08 PM)
I am too lazy to buy through conventional channel. Used to FSM 'one click' centre.  tongue.gif

Anyway, my wife's portfolio is about 5% ROI. Nothing to shout about but that is the price I pay for "capital" protected or low volatility portfolio.
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If you do lumpsum and don't 'trade', it's just a one off mafan-ness. For 7% to 8% per annum is quite worth it lor.
Volatility lowest amongst asian bonds

QUOTE(prince_mk @ Oct 21 2016, 09:36 PM)
Which bond fund would u choose ?

Rhb Islamic Bond
Affin Select Bond
Affin Selec Income
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Select income is strictly speaking a balanced fund, or equity exposed bond fund. So not quite comparable. It's also reflected in its volatility

I have both islamic bond and select bond. I think they serve different purpose. So it depends, if you are high on asiapac, select bond will match that nicely; with still about 40% in Msian bond. Islamic bond is mostly Msian; did well relative to other local bond funds
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I saw some ppl mention invest 1k in prs then govt give 1k.
What's that ?
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I saw some ppl mention invest 1k in prs then govt give 1k.
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That's youth incentive for those who haven't register for PRS yet. But that RM1k can only be withdrawn at 55 years old rclxs0.gif
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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Oct 23 2016, 07:06 AM)
That's youth incentive for those who haven't register for PRS yet. But that RM1k can only be withdrawn at 55 years old  rclxs0.gif
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Youth incentive... What is the age limit?
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QUOTE(tonytyk @ Oct 23 2016, 07:16 AM)
Youth incentive... What is the age limit?
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30 years old. Not sure whether current PRS holder can get additional RM500 (the old one only RM500) or is open to first timer only. Anyway even if cannot get, can still get income tax relief until 2021 (max RM3k/year)

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QUOTE(tonytyk @ Oct 23 2016, 07:16 AM)
Youth incentive... What is the age limit?
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try this link
Private Retirement Fund, What the hell is that??
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QUOTE(dasecret @ Oct 23 2016, 01:41 AM)
Why did you sell ponzi 2.0 previously? Is the reason still there? If so why buy it again now?
India 24.04%.... want to consider lower that a bit? consider it as taking profit
Perhaps put in Asia ex Japan since FSM so gungho with Asia ex Jap
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Yah you are right. I'm going to dca into Asia ex jap starting next month
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avangelice,

Your portfolio is too skewed towards Malaysia. I am underweighing Malaysia as of this moment for the following reason:

i) Oil price is very positively correlated to MYR. Low oil price = weak MYR.

ii) Poor sentiments (1MDB issue) not resolved satisfactory. Too much negative PR surrounding it. Govt is handling the PR matter poorly.

iii) Poor financial result reported by of most listed company on KLSE in the previous quarter.

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FSM article@21 October:
https://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/resea...Years!-7606

FSM article@14 October:
https://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/resea...Domination-7585

If u rely too much on research and news articles, u will go crazy laugh.gif
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My current portfolio is all high risk.

Eastspring small cap
Kenanga growth fund
Affin Hwang Dynamic Fund

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QUOTE(Michaelbyz23 @ Oct 23 2016, 01:15 PM)
My current portfolio is all high risk.

Eastspring small cap
Kenanga growth fund
Affin Hwang Dynamic Fund

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pls elaborate this fund....
pls attach links
cannot see this fund from lists....
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QUOTE(MUM @ Oct 23 2016, 02:20 PM)
pls elaborate this fund....
pls attach links
cannot see this fund from lists....
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Sorry, this one :
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QUOTE(xuzen @ Oct 23 2016, 11:43 AM)
avangelice,

Your portfolio is too skewed towards Malaysia. I am underweighing Malaysia as of this moment for the following reason:

i) Oil price is very positively correlated to MYR. Low oil price = weak MYR.

ii) Poor sentiments (1MDB issue) not resolved satisfactory. Too much negative PR surrounding it. Govt is handling the PR matter poorly.

iii) Poor financial result reported by of most listed company on KLSE in the previous quarter.

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Sifu Xuzen,

I m heavy in KGF and EISC using epf monies ard 50% of my portfolio.

so how? sell all and buy what funds using epf monies ?

only lately I withdrew epf monies to buy Titan ard 10% of my portfolio.

should I consider EASTSPRING INVESTMENTS GLOBAL LEADERS MY FUND?

any advise ? notworthy.gif

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Oct 23 2016, 12:21 PM)
FSM article@21 October:
https://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/resea...Years!-7606

FSM article@14 October:
https://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/resea...Domination-7585

If u rely too much on research and news articles, u will go crazy laugh.gif
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I am going in Asia Pax ex Japan.
Sifus can share your preferences ?
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QUOTE(prince_mk @ Oct 23 2016, 02:29 PM)
Sifu Xuzen,

I m heavy in KGF and EISC using epf monies ard 50% of my portfolio.

so how? sell all and buy what funds using epf monies ?

only lately I withdrew epf monies to buy Titan ard 10% of my portfolio.

any advise ? notworthy.gif
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Since KGF and Eastspring both invest in smallcap, can look at ASEAN smallcap.
Either Affin Hwang Quantum/CIMB-Principal ASEAN Total Return Fund (based on returns)

If you don't want Malaysia heavy, can look at Affin Hwang ASEAN Flexi Fund (only 7%)

From everybody favourite fund manager: (kind of old but still practical)
https://www.kenangainvestors.com.my/KIB/KIB...e_Interview.pdf

Keep in mind she said she is negative about local economy and positive on thailand and indonesia.

The edge said otherwise
http://www.theedgemarkets.com/my/article/i...alaysian-stocks

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Hi guys. New joiner here. Haven't started investing any yet but have read most of the replies in the previous thread and seems like Asia ex Japan is heavily favoured now. Should I start with those?

Also, what is ponzi 1.0 and 2.0? I tried searching but can't find the real names for it.

Thanks.
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Hi guys. New joiner here. Haven't started investing any yet but have read most of the replies in the previous thread and seems like Asia ex Japan is heavily favoured now. Should I start with those?

Also, what is ponzi 1.0 and 2.0? I tried searching but can't find the real names for it.

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Ponzi 1: Affin Hwang Select Asia (Ex Japan) Quantum Fund
Ponzi 2: CIMB-Principal Asia Pacific Dynamic Income Fund
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QUOTE(David83 @ Oct 23 2016, 03:24 PM)
Ponzi 1: Affin Hwang Select Asia (Ex Japan) Quantum Fund
Ponzi 2: CIMB-Principal Asia Pacific Dynamic Income Fund
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Thanks a lot. So ponzi 2.0 seems to be very in line with the recent inclination towards Asia ex Japan? I've already favourited that fund and thought of buying some already, but the price seems a bit high now.

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Thanks a lot. So ponzi 2.0 seems to be very in line with the recent inclination towards Asia ex Japan? I've already favourited that fund and thought of buying some already, but the price seems a bit high now.
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Ponzi 2 is on steroid for the past few weeks.
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QUOTE(David83 @ Oct 23 2016, 03:28 PM)
Ponzi 2 is on steroid for the past few weeks.
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Noted. Is it better to wait it out slightly or just put in some now and use DCA method when it drops?
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Noted. Is it better to wait it out slightly or just put in some now and use DCA method when it drops?
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If you want to invest lump sum, will suggest RHB AIF smile.gif

IF you plan to DCA, Ponzi 2.0 is better smile.gif

Btw how long are you going to invest? smile.gif
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Noted. Is it better to wait it out slightly or just put in some now and use DCA method when it drops?
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"The most important advice I would give to anyone who hasn't started (be it man or woman) and is being held back is to starting investing now, but use a small amount.
Something you are comfortable with even if you suffer losses. It can be as little as one thousand dollars because that is usually all you need to start investing into a unit trust.
Then, as you invest, you will see how markets and such affect your returns and you will be able to learn from your experiences without suffering too much heartache compared to if you placed your entire life savings into the market and lose half of it in a market crash.
The key thing is you have to accumulate investing experience. No amount of prior reading up and accumulating of knowledge can compare with actual investing experience which can only be built up by using your own money to invest. You have to experience the emotional pull that comes from market ups and downs and learn how to handle your emotions during those times. And learning from mistakes made is the greatest teacher."
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QUOTE(AIYH @ Oct 23 2016, 03:36 PM)
If you want to invest lump sum, will suggest RHB AIF smile.gif

IF you plan to DCA, Ponzi 2.0 is better smile.gif

Btw how long are you going to invest? smile.gif
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Thanks a lot for the input. May I know what do you mean by how long am I going to invest?
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QUOTE(T231H @ Oct 23 2016, 03:40 PM)
"The most important advice I would give to anyone who hasn't started (be it man or woman) and is being held back is to starting investing now, but use a small amount.
Something you are comfortable with even if you suffer losses. It can be as little as one thousand dollars because that is usually all you need to start investing into a unit trust.
Then, as you invest, you will see how markets and such affect your returns and you will be able to learn from your experiences without suffering too much heartache compared to if you placed your entire life savings into the market and lose half of it in a market crash.
The key thing is you have to accumulate investing experience. No amount of prior reading up and accumulating of knowledge can compare with actual investing experience which can only be built up by using your own money to invest. You have to experience the emotional pull that comes from market ups and downs and learn how to handle your emotions during those times. And learning from mistakes made is the greatest teacher."
https://secure.fundsupermart.com/main/resea...SJBlog_20141031
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I've read this too and I totally agree with it. Just want to get advice from all the experienced investors here before I start my journey. Will start very soon. smile.gif
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Thanks a lot for the input. May I know what do you mean by how long am I going to invest?
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Do you plan to put it for just for like 1 to 3 years, quit while suffering some losses or reap profit once hitting a certain profit range?

Or do you plan to hold it for more than 3 years and just keep investing it until like retirement age or at least 3 to 5 years or more?
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M'sian Small Cap funds...any takers for some sai lang?
New RM3bil fund proposed to invest in small and mid caps
http://www.thestar.com.my/business/busines...l-and-mid-caps/
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Want to ask that opening account, is thru online download the form or can direct go to the FSM office and issue and submit form?

I will travel there in next few day
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QUOTE(prince_mk @ Oct 23 2016, 02:29 PM)
Sifu Xuzen,

I m heavy in KGF and EISC using epf monies ard 50% of my portfolio.

so how? sell all and buy what funds using epf monies ?

only lately I withdrew epf monies to buy Titan ard 10% of my portfolio.

should I consider EASTSPRING INVESTMENTS GLOBAL LEADERS MY FUND?

any advise ? notworthy.gif
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Prior to Aug 2016, you have no choice but is stuck with both as the EPF-MIS mandate restricted you to only local exposure. Post Aug 2016 liberalisation, you now can participate in foreign exposed EPF-MIS UTFs.

As such, you don't need two locally exposed UTFs. I would inclined to dump ESISC in lieu of ES Asia Select Income Fund for its awesome risk adjusted performance and some foreign exposure. It's average annualised return is 9% p.a with low volatility due to its fixed income component.

As for KGF, you may continue to keep with it as it is still a good performer. There are no other decent performer in the Kenanga stable. Kenanga, it seems only have a one trick pony, that is only its KGF that is worth mentioning. The other are so - so only.

Xuzen

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Want to ask that opening account, is thru online download the form or can direct go to the FSM office and issue and submit form?

I will travel there in next few day
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if the online form are obtainable from the web for download.....FSM should have some of the form readied printed out, else i think the FSM office should have a computer with internet connection, useable printer and some paper......
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QUOTE(AIYH @ Oct 23 2016, 03:49 PM)
Do you plan to put it for just for like 1 to 3 years, quit while suffering some losses or reap profit once hitting a certain profit range?

Or do you plan to hold it for more than 3 years and just keep investing it until like retirement age or at least 3 to 5 years or more?
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The 2nd option most probably. Wanna cultivate the habit of investing instead of just keeping cash with no returns
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Planning to invest me remaining cash in hand to a new fund..
Currently holding 3 funds in my portfolio

Kenanga growth fund
eastspring small cap
Affin Hwang Quantum Fund

Any suggestion what to add? Looking for moderate to high risk biggrin.gif

Or should just invest into my current funds?

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QUOTE(Michaelbyz23 @ Oct 23 2016, 06:57 PM)
Planning to invest me remaining cash in hand to a new fund..
Currently holding 3 funds in my portfolio

Kenanga growth fund
eastspring small cap
Affin Hwang Quantum Fund

Any suggestion what to add? Looking for moderate to high risk biggrin.gif

Or should just invest into my current funds?
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as xuxen has pointed out to me that I am heavily invested in Malaysia I would say he thinks the same of yours too and as per his posts I shall stop investing in Malaysia for the time being, keeping my current funds the way they are and start investing in Asian ex Japan funds.

based on my reading and research. I will now shift all my attention to Ponzi 2.0 in line with what fsm has said on top of sifu's advise

This post has been edited by Avangelice: Oct 23 2016, 07:09 PM
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QUOTE(Avangelice @ Oct 23 2016, 07:04 PM)
as xuxen has pointed out to me that I am heavily invested in Malaysia I would say he thinks the same of yours too and as per his posts I shall stop investing in Malaysia for the time being, keeping my current funds the way they are and start investing in Asian ex Japan funds.
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Thanks! smile.gif
Any recommendation?
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QUOTE(Michaelbyz23 @ Oct 23 2016, 07:08 PM)
Thanks! smile.gif
Any recommendation?
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Ponzi 1.0

and

Ponzi 2.0

It is were me I would go for Ponzi 2. 0.
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QUOTE(Avangelice @ Oct 23 2016, 07:09 PM)
Ponzi 1.0

and

Ponzi 2.0

It is were me I would go for Ponzi 2. 0.
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Ponzi? Which one? Sorry noob here! cry.gif
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QUOTE(Michaelbyz23 @ Oct 23 2016, 07:12 PM)
Ponzi? Which one? Sorry noob here! cry.gif
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QUOTE(xuzen @ Oct 23 2016, 05:36 PM)
Prior to Aug 2016, you have no choice but is stuck with both as the EPF-MIS mandate restricted you to only local exposure. Post Aug 2016 liberalisation, you now can participate in foreign exposed EPF-MIS UTFs.

As such, you don't need two locally exposed UTFs. I would inclined to dump ESISC in lieu of ES Asia Select Income Fund for its awesome risk adjusted performance and some foreign exposure. It's average annualised return is 9% p.a with low volatility due to its fixed income component.

As for KGF, you may continue to keep with it as it is still a good performer. There are no other decent performer in the Kenanga stable. Kenanga, it seems only have a one trick pony, that is only its KGF that is worth mentioning. The other are so - so only.

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TQ Sifu Xuzen.

Now I have an alrernative. smile.gif You are the best.
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QUOTE(Michaelbyz23 @ Oct 23 2016, 07:08 PM)
Thanks! smile.gif
Any recommendation?
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Sifu Xuzen had suggested ES Asia Select Income.

You may have a look on this fund. smile.gif
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QUOTE(prince_mk @ Oct 23 2016, 07:41 PM)
Sifu Xuzen had suggested ES Asia Select Income.

You may have a look on this fund. smile.gif
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Thank you! Will look into that fund biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(Avangelice @ Oct 23 2016, 07:19 PM)
please browse through page one.
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Spent 75% cash to Bungkus already Ponzi 2: CIMB-Principal Asia Pacific Dynamic Income Fund - MYR

Thanks sifu thumbup.gif
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QUOTE(Michaelbyz23 @ Oct 23 2016, 08:17 PM)
Spent 75% cash to Bungkus already Ponzi 2: CIMB-Principal Asia Pacific Dynamic Income Fund - MYR

Thanks sifu  thumbup.gif
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Devil's Advocates..... devil.gif

".......we advise investors to remain cautious, and continue to have a long-term view in managing their portfolios. Valuation metrics have picked up quite a fair bit, making some of the markets within the Asia ex-Japan region and Emerging Markets to approach fairer value as compared to the beginning of 2016. Looking from a portfolio perspective, we maintain our neutral position in equities and bonds. While we still believe that the global economy is likely to continue its expansion, expected returns no longer justify an overweight position in equities given that expected returns are not as attractive as before, reducing the expected reward for the amount of risk taken. ---Author : iFAST Research Team --- October 14, 2016 "
https://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/resea...Domination-7585

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Q: Do I need to have an initial investment before starting a RSP?

A: You can start your RSP from as low as RM100 per month for most of the funds without having to fulfill the minimum initial investment amount. EXCEPT for RHB Institutional Islamic Money Market Fund as well as funds from CIMB-Principal Asset Management Berhad and MIDF Amanah Asset Management Berhad where you are required to invest the minimum initial investment amount first before starting the RSP.

its that mean i have to invest the minimum initial amount b4 i can start my RSP in CIMB-Principal Asset Management Berhad?... hmm.gif
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QUOTE(Avangelice @ Oct 23 2016, 07:04 PM)
as xuxen has pointed out to me that I am heavily invested in Malaysia I would say he thinks the same of yours too and as per his posts I shall stop investing in Malaysia for the time being, keeping my current funds the way they are and start investing in Asian ex Japan funds.

based on my reading and research. I will now shift all my attention to Ponzi 2.0 in line with what fsm has said on top of sifu's advise
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Can you cross purchase your from your Eastspring EPF-MIS to CIMB - Principle Asset Management directly?

Based on current understanding, I specifically said ES Asia Select Income because I assume EPF-MIS can only transfer inter-UTMC only and not to other rival UTMC.

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--- deleted ---

wrongly posted.

This post has been edited by xuzen: Oct 24 2016, 10:38 AM
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QUOTE(xuzen @ Oct 23 2016, 08:41 PM)
Can you cross purchase your from your Eastspring EPF-MIS to CIMB - Principle Asset Management directly?

Based on current understanding, I specifically said ES Asia Select Income because I assume EPF-MIS can only transfer inter-UTMC only and not to other rival UTMC.

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sifu you mistaken me for someone else. I never use epf to invest in epf.
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QUOTE(Michaelbyz23 @ Oct 23 2016, 08:17 PM)
Spent 75% cash to Bungkus already Ponzi 2: CIMB-Principal Asia Pacific Dynamic Income Fund - MYR

Thanks sifu  thumbup.gif
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oi oi

never take someone's advice without cross checking and doing your own judgment and research. oh my God.
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QUOTE(T231H @ Oct 23 2016, 08:23 PM)
Devil's Advocates..... devil.gif

".......we advise investors to remain cautious, and continue to have a long-term view in managing their portfolios. Valuation metrics have picked up quite a fair bit, making some of the markets within the Asia ex-Japan region and Emerging Markets to approach fairer value as compared to the beginning of 2016. Looking from a portfolio perspective, we maintain our neutral position in equities and bonds. While we still believe that the global economy is likely to continue its expansion, expected returns no longer justify an overweight position in equities given that expected returns are not as attractive as before, reducing the expected reward for the amount of risk taken. ---Author : iFAST Research Team --- October 14, 2016 "
https://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/resea...Domination-7585

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Conflicting views from fsm. I thought there is another article which says asian and em will increase 40% in next 2 year. devil.gif
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QUOTE(puchongite @ Oct 23 2016, 08:56 PM)
Conflicting views from fsm. I thought there is another article which says asian and em will increase 40% in next 2 year. devil.gif
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that was from Hk fsm. lolololol..

this is why you cross check your information here and buta buta buy.
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QUOTE(botakbin @ Oct 23 2016, 06:54 PM)
The 2nd option most probably. Wanna cultivate the habit of investing instead of just keeping cash with no returns
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Then I will suggest you subscribe for RSP or DCA every month for long term to take advantage of the volatility of Ponzi 2.0 and resist oneself from reacting emotionally towards the market's up and down smile.gif
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QUOTE(T231H @ Oct 23 2016, 05:45 PM)
if the online form are obtainable from the web for download.....FSM should have some of the form readied printed out, else i think the FSM office should have a computer with internet connection, useable printer and some paper......
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Just read FAQ from site, email will do.

Thanks for your reply laugh.gif
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QUOTE(Avangelice @ Oct 23 2016, 08:57 PM)
that was from Hk fsm. lolololol..

this is why you cross check your information here and buta buta buy.
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https://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/resea...Years!-7606

Bro, same article now in FSM MY 😎😜
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QUOTE(drew86 @ Oct 23 2016, 09:53 PM)
https://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/resea...Years!-7606

Bro, same article now in FSM MY 😎😜
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hahahahahahahaha conflicting reports. oi fsm guys.
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QUOTE(Michaelbyz23 @ Oct 23 2016, 08:17 PM)
Spent 75% cash to Bungkus already Ponzi 2: CIMB-Principal Asia Pacific Dynamic Income Fund - MYR

Thanks sifu  thumbup.gif
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Gosh..did u just lump sum into Ponzi 2.0 because of one single piece of advice? Do practice safe ~sex~ investing!
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hahahahahahahaha conflicting reports. oi fsm guys.
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hmm.gif I think there is no conflict....
1 article is saying currently ...."some of the markets within the Asia ex-Japan region and Emerging Markets to approach fairer value as compared to the beginning of 2016."

the other one is ...."Based on this trend, we expect the PE of the Asian equity market to be re-rated to 16X over the next two years. We project Asian equities to offer a 40% upside by end of 2018."

1 is based on current valuation, the other one is based on expectation at end of 2018.....
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QUOTE(T231H @ Oct 23 2016, 10:03 PM)
hmm.gif I think there is no conflict....
1 article is saying currently ...."some of the markets within the Asia ex-Japan region and Emerging Markets to approach fairer value as compared to the beginning of 2016."

the other one is ...."Based on this trend, we expect the PE of the Asian equity market to be re-rated to 16X over the next two years. We project Asian equities to offer a 40% upside by end of 2018."

1 is based on current valuation, the other one is based on expectation at end of 2018.....
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lol as the property guys always say

wait for what liau... BBBBB... UUUUUU

jokes aside I need to emphasize that people should do as much research as they can. I always tok kok here but I listen to every piece of advise and evalutate my decision again and again.

tonight is a shocker for me
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QUOTE(drew86 @ Oct 23 2016, 09:56 PM)
Gosh..did u just lump sum into Ponzi 2.0 because of one single piece of advice? Do practice safe ~sex~ investing!
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Haha, I ran out of idea which to buy already..
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Haha, I ran out of idea which to buy already..
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can start the idea of not having 75% heavy on 1 single fund or region?
hmm.gif unless you have other sort of investment or this 75% is just a surplus or peanut sized pocket money.... biggrin.gif
forming a diversified portfolio would be more ideal....
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Haha, I ran out of idea which to buy already..
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dude. buying ut not like shopping lah unless you very rich. catch all of them like pokemon.
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QUOTE(Michaelbyz23 @ Oct 23 2016, 08:17 PM)
Spent 75% cash to Bungkus already Ponzi 2: CIMB-Principal Asia Pacific Dynamic Income Fund - MYR

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hi all sifu, should i dca 1k monthly for CIMB-PRINCIPAL PRS PLUS ASIA PACIFIC EX JAPAN EQUITY to achieve rm3k before 31dec or just do it lump sum?
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hi all sifu, should i dca 1k monthly for CIMB-PRINCIPAL PRS PLUS ASIA PACIFIC EX JAPAN EQUITY to achieve rm3k before 31dec or just do it lump sum?
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If you have't have a PRS account, wait until January as you will get RM1k instead of RM500.
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hi all sifu, should i dca 1k monthly for CIMB-PRINCIPAL PRS PLUS ASIA PACIFIC EX JAPAN EQUITY to achieve rm3k before 31dec or just do it lump sum?
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3k in 3 months...
3k if lost 10% in 3 months = RM300....
if this RM300 ok will you ...in the long terms?
why RM300?...bcos assuming the Asia pac will drop by 10% in this 3 months...
if you think this 300 will not affect much.....then lump sum lor....

if you hesitate...then DCA 1k monthly lor...
if you wanna try out,...then DCA

based on FSM latest reports, coming US FED rate hike and the possibility of Trump as president...I would suggest DCA



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QUOTE(Michaelbyz23 @ Oct 23 2016, 08:17 PM)
Spent 75% cash to Bungkus already Ponzi 2: CIMB-Principal Asia Pacific Dynamic Income Fund - MYR

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Serious ? 75% of your portfolio in Ponzi 2. A wise choice ?
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Hi guys. I'm new to FSM and investment. Do you guys have any recommendations on which funds I should invest into for a starter? Or should I just invest into FSM's recommended funds?

Some side info:

- I have 1 month emergency fund, so I can take some risk (moderate?)
- Funds must be Shariah compliant
- I'm looking to invest for 3 years
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QUOTE(imnotabot @ Oct 24 2016, 08:55 AM)
Hi guys. I'm new to FSM and investment. Do you guys have any recommendations on which funds I should invest into for a starter? Or should I just invest into FSM's recommended funds?

Some side info:

- I have 1 month emergency fund, so I can take some risk (moderate?)
- Funds must be Shariah compliant
- I'm looking to invest for 3 years
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You might want to refer to their recommended portfolio smile.gif

There are conventional as well as islamic portfolio construction recommended by FSM smile.gif
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QUOTE(imnotabot @ Oct 24 2016, 08:55 AM)
Hi guys. I'm new to FSM and investment. Do you guys have any recommendations on which funds I should invest into for a starter? Or should I just invest into FSM's recommended funds?

Some side info:

- I have 1 month emergency fund, so I can take some risk (moderate?)
- Funds must be Shariah compliant
- I'm looking to invest for 3 years
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QUOTE(AIYH @ Oct 24 2016, 08:57 AM)
You might want to refer to their recommended portfolio smile.gif

There are conventional as well as islamic portfolio construction recommended by FSM smile.gif
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I do hope you know there is a period of "liquidfy" when attempting to invest and with draw your unit trust when using it to place your "emergency" fund.

other than that welcome to the UT family. keep reading and researching.

-be sure to know the differences between equity, balanced funds, fixed income funds.

-where they invest geographically

-volatility of each fund and return vs risk ratio (if you can stomach the risk and reap the returns)

-definition of DCA, diversification of your portfolio and charges incurred during switching and purchasing

I would like to start by recommending rhb islamic bond fund since you won't be touching this money and it's stable compared to its peers

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Oct 23 2016, 11:00 PM)
If you have't have a PRS account, wait until January as you will get RM1k instead of RM500.
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QUOTE(T231H @ Oct 23 2016, 11:03 PM)
3k in 3 months...
3k if lost 10% in 3 months = RM300....
if this RM300 ok will you ...in the long terms?
why RM300?...bcos assuming the Asia pac will drop by 10% in this 3 months...
if you think this 300 will not affect much.....then lump sum lor....

if you hesitate...then DCA 1k monthly lor...
if you wanna try out,...then DCA

based on FSM latest reports, coming US FED rate hike and the possibility of Trump as president...I would suggest DCA
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thanks for the advices

too many uncertain with the us fed rate hike and the election outcome.. everything is possible, as i initially think brexit wont happen.

my newly started fsm portfolio is quite heavily focus in asia pasific zone.. was abit impulsive when newly start fsm. blush.gif
ponzi 2 35%
rhb emerging market bond 15%
am asia reit 12%
ponzi 1 10%
titan 10%
kgf 10%
Ta global 8%

for malaysia focus.. i have quite substantial amount (haha just my own standard) of public mutual and their prs (yet to contribute this year), as well as asnb.
if as u predict, may face 10% drop..really need to pray the market will be more resilient.

if based on my portfolio which prs u guys suggest ya?





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QUOTE(ivzh @ Oct 24 2016, 09:18 AM)
am too old for the youth incentive.. and already have a prs acc
thanks for the advices

too many uncertain with the us fed rate hike and the election outcome.. everything is possible, as i initially think brexit wont happen.

my newly started fsm portfolio is quite heavily focus in asia pasific zone.. was abit impulsive when newly start fsm. blush.gif
ponzi 2 35%
rhb emerging market bond 15%
am asia reit 12%
ponzi 1 10%
titan 10%
kgf 10%
Ta global 8%

for malaysia focus.. i have quite substantial amount  (haha just my own standard) of public mutual and their prs (yet to contribute this year), as well as asnb.
if as u predict,  may face 10% drop..really need to pray the market will be more resilient.

if based on my portfolio which prs u guys suggest ya?
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Ponzi 2.0
KGF
AmAsia Reit

these 3 funds can use your PRS to invest...PRS feed into these mother funds...this would helps Free your cash for some other funds

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I do hope you know there is a period of "liquidfy" when attempting to invest and with draw your unit trust when using it to place your "emergency" fund.
No worries. What I mean is that I have 1 month emergency fund in my savings account. I'm planning to invest a small portion of my salary monthly, not my EF. smile.gif
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No worries. What I mean is that I have 1 month emergency fund in my savings account. I'm planning to invest a small portion of my salary monthly, not my EF.  smile.gif
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With RM 3 bil will be poured by GLICs into small & mid caps, should we buy ESISC? whistling.gif
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With RM 3 bil will be poured by GLICs into small & mid caps, should we buy ESISC? whistling.gif
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With RM 3 bil will be poured by GLICs into small & mid caps, should we buy ESISC? whistling.gif
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leakages and consultation fees will consume 80% already... biggrin.gif
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leakages and consultation fees will consume 80% already... biggrin.gif
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Serious ? 75% of your portfolio in Ponzi 2. A wise choice ?
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Not 75% of portfolio, but 75% of remaining cash I have left. Ponzi 2 about 22% of my portfolio.. affin quantum fund is about 40% of my portfolio. Also bought one lump sum

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QUOTE(Michaelbyz23 @ Oct 24 2016, 12:42 PM)
Not 75% of portfolio, but 75% of remaining cash I have left. Ponzi 2 about 22% of my portfolio.. affin quantum fund is about 40% of my portfolio. Also bought one lump sum
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How abt remaining 38%? Mind sharing
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Not 75% of portfolio, but 75% of remaining cash I have left. Ponzi 2 about 22% of my portfolio.. affin quantum fund is about 40% of my portfolio. Also bought one lump sum
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holy shit. micheal. I just logged on my laptop. We have 9 mutual friends. LOL! Nice seeing a fellow FSM investor in kuching. =)
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Also, is it worth it for me to contribute into PRS fund starting now? I'm currently in my mid-20s. I'm planning to put around RM50 - RM100 monthly into PRS to get the RM500 incentive in 1 year (or is it RM1k now?) and get tax relief.

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QUOTE(imnotabot @ Oct 24 2016, 01:32 PM)
Also, is it worth it for me to contribute into PRS fund starting now? I'm currently in my mid-20s. I'm planning to put around RM50 - RM100 monthly into PRS to get the RM500 incentive in 1 year (or is it RM1k now?) and get tax relief.
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If you don't have PRS, start next year. If you start this year, you will only get rm500. If you start next year, you get rm1k. Might as well Better make sure reach rm3k so can get max tax relief = less income tax.

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QUOTE(imnotabot @ Oct 24 2016, 01:32 PM)
Also, is it worth it for me to contribute into PRS fund starting now? I'm currently in my mid-20s. I'm planning to put around RM50 - RM100 monthly into PRS to get the RM500 incentive in 1 year (or is it RM1k now?) and get tax relief.
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well you can withdraw from a sub account like epf
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If you do lumpsum and don't 'trade', it's just a one off mafan-ness. For 7% to 8% per annum is quite worth it lor.
Volatility lowest amongst asian bonds
Select income is strictly speaking a balanced fund, or equity exposed bond fund. So not quite comparable. It's also reflected in its volatility

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With RM 3 bil will be poured by GLICs into small & mid caps, should we buy ESISC? whistling.gif
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Guess of the 3bil, maybe around 10% or 20% only actually goes to the markets.. Balance is for "fees & others costs" devil.gif
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How abt remaining 38%? Mind sharing
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Remaining 50-50 are in kenanga growth fund and eastspring small cap. All high risk equity haha.

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i already have CIMB-PRS through agent and just opened FSM

can FMS be used to input external data to update my portfolio?
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holy shit. micheal. I just logged on my laptop. We have 9 mutual friends. LOL! Nice seeing a fellow FSM investor in kuching. =)
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Haha FB add me leh. Yeah, I've been investing with FSM since 2014 actually. Then on and off abit due to shifts in life. Are you from kuching too?
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Haha FB add me leh. Yeah, I've been investing with FSM since 2014 actually. Then on and off abit due to shifts in life. Are you from kuching too?
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yeap from Kuching but I prefer to keep my /LYT handle anonymous. =)

I regret missing the kuching FSM event a few months back. Damn appointments are full and i couldnt apply leave in time.
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QUOTE(Avangelice @ Oct 24 2016, 02:37 PM)
yeap from Kuching but I prefer to keep my /LYT handle anonymous. =)

I regret missing the kuching FSM event a few months back. Damn appointments are full and i couldnt apply leave in time.
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There is a FSM event here? Didn't even notice.. when is the next? Do you also know alot of FSM investors in Kuching?
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There is a FSM event here? Didn't even notice.. when is the next? Do you also know alot of FSM investors in Kuching?
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one or two but they also half baked from what they tell me.

Kuching people still believe alot in public mutual like my mom. she lost money because her agent told her to go in China at the wrong time. then she follow blindly when the same said agent go ask her to invest in gold and we all know how that turned out.

Anyways since you are from Kuching I'll remember you the next time you need help. kaki lang
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QUOTE(Avangelice @ Oct 24 2016, 02:55 PM)
one or two but they also half baked from what they tell me.

Kuching people still  believe alot in public mutual like my mom. she lost money because her agent told her to go in China at the wrong time. then she follow blindly when the same said agent go ask her to invest in gold and we all know how that turned out.

Anyways since you are from Kuching I'll remember you the next time you need help. kaki lang
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I see. Mostly put alot of trust in their agent. How come you didn't give your mom advise from your perspective?
Thanks sifu in advance. I also follow quite blindly to sifus advise here. My knowledge is lacking, and it's better to be by the sides of the experienced investors, much safer than on my own especially when I don't do enough research on my own.
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i already have CIMB-PRS through agent and just opened FSM

can FMS be used to input external data to update my portfolio?
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no....you have to manual do it yourself...
fyi,. there is 1 simple one and 1 very canggih (MUST have some excel skill to use) one in post#1

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I see. Mostly put alot of trust in their agent. How come you didn't give your mom advise from your perspective?
Thanks sifu in advance. I also follow quite blindly to sifus advise here. My knowledge is lacking, and it's better to be by the sides of the experienced investors, much safer than on my own especially when I don't do enough research on my own.
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old people. they are vehemently against the new generations. anyways remember to follow the cardinal rules of investing. anything, just ask any of the guys here but with a pinch of salt
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Nice to know there are Kuchingnites here too! I didn't know of such event! Looking forward to the next one..hehe
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yeap from Kuching but I prefer to keep my /LYT handle anonymous. =)

I regret missing the kuching FSM event a few months back. Damn appointments are full and i couldnt apply leave in time.
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FSM got organised event at kch mei ? Didn't know
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old people. they are vehemently against the new generations. anyways remember to follow the cardinal rules of investing. anything,  just ask any of the guys here but with a pinch of salt
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I feel you on that sad.gif

But somehow I managed my girlfriend to invest in FSM (previously she with her family rely agent friends to invest in PM) as well as my parents (soon to be)

Just doing the best of our part to spread, even to peers will do smile.gif
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Nice to know there are Kuchingnites here too! I didn't know of such event! Looking forward to the next one..hehe
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FSM got organised event at kch mei ? Didn't know
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there was one in april


https://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/resea...?articleNo=2195

donno how come you guys manage to miss it was on a Saturday but my clinic is operating on Saturday. shit.

fsm if you reading this don't forget us east Malaysian peeps

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QUOTE(Avangelice @ Oct 24 2016, 04:16 PM)
there was one in april
https://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/resea...?articleNo=2195

donno how come you guys manage to miss it was on a Saturday but my clinic is operating on Saturday. shit.

fsm if you reading this don't forget us east Malaysian peeps
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Didn't alert , miss oledi = =
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QUOTE(AIYH @ Oct 24 2016, 04:09 PM)
I feel you on that sad.gif

But somehow I managed my girlfriend to invest in FSM (previously she with her family rely agent friends to invest in PM) as well as my parents (soon to be)

Just doing the best of our part to spread, even to peers will do smile.gif
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Hi 5! That's what I've been doing as well

But I think compared to most of the other forumers here, I'm actually not anti agent. I'm just anti-PM rclxs0.gif

The sad fact is, UTC or to a certain extent, financial planners in Msia has been reduced to a sales man. So if they don't have expertise that we can leverage on, might as well DIY. I only pay for services where I can see value


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QUOTE(dasecret @ Oct 24 2016, 04:28 PM)
Hi 5! That's what I've been doing as well

But I think compared to most of the other forumers here, I'm actually not anti agent. I'm just anti-PM  rclxs0.gif

The sad fact is, UTC or to a certain extent, financial planners in Msia has been reduced to a sales man. So if they don't have expertise that we can leverage on, might as well DIY. I only pay for services where I can see value
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U just value-oriented la

like rich & soon-to-be rich folks, even multi-billionaires get a kick out of getting $1 value for 60 cents or 80 cents cost brows.gif
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QUOTE(Avangelice @ Oct 24 2016, 04:16 PM)
there was one in april
https://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/resea...?articleNo=2195

donno how come you guys manage to miss it was on a Saturday but my clinic is operating on Saturday. shit.

fsm if you reading this don't forget us east Malaysian peeps
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I see, clinic on Saturday? I think you will know some of my colleagues, or I might have seen you before.
Next FSM event we can go.
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I see, clinic on Saturday? I think you will know some of my colleagues, or I might have seen you before.
Next FSM event we can go.
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Hi 5! That's what I've been doing as well

But I think compared to most of the other forumers here, I'm actually not anti agent. I'm just anti-PM  rclxs0.gif

The sad fact is, UTC or to a certain extent, financial planners in Msia has been reduced to a sales man. So if they don't have expertise that we can leverage on, might as well DIY. I only pay for services where I can see value
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I rarely came across any agents, be it financial or insurance, let alone UT laugh.gif

Just that my gf as well as my parents really trust on PM (due to pre and early 2000 strong performance)

So initially is hard for me to present FSM's convenience, a wide variety of choice and low cost to them until I started to work recently, earn income and take the initiative to try it out myself, while learning from all the sifus here, to make my words more credible for them to invest in FSM notworthy.gif

Thanks to technology and recent PM subpar performance that makes the variety of choice in FSM platform attractive laugh.gif
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QUOTE(AIYH @ Oct 24 2016, 04:41 PM)
I rarely came across any agents, be it financial or insurance, let alone UT  laugh.gif

Just that my gf as well as my parents really trust on PM (due to pre and early 2000 strong performance)

So initially is hard for me to present FSM's convenience, a wide variety of choice and low cost to them until I started to work recently, earn income and take the initiative to try it out myself, while learning from all the sifus here, to make my words more credible for them to invest in FSM  notworthy.gif

Thanks to technology and recent PM subpar performance that makes the variety of choice in FSM platform attractive  laugh.gif
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funny you should say that.

I was Hong Leong eBroker office in kuching last friday and was "interviewed" by one of the ladies there. She expected I was another naive idiot who wanted quick money but end up losing all his savings then go office flip table.

I gave her info of what I learn here. Dollar cost averaging, to how stocks vs unit trusts work and lastly she ask I bet you are a unit trust agent.

I tell you that face she made when I told her i work in medical. LOL...Makes me one proud mother fucker.

All thanks to you boys for tutoring me.
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QUOTE(Avangelice @ Oct 24 2016, 04:49 PM)
funny you should say that.

I was Hong Leong eBroker office in kuching last friday and was "interviewed" by one of the ladies there. She expected I was another naive idiot who wanted quick money but end up losing all his savings then go office flip table.

I gave her info of what I learn here. Dollar cost averaging, to how stocks vs unit trusts work and lastly she ask I bet you are a unit trust agent.

I tell you that face she made when I told her i work in medical. LOL...Makes me one proud mother fucker. 

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Smart people like you surely leaves govt once you see the opportunity! Say hi to Dr Wong S.Y., your previous HOD biggrin.gif
Anyways, sifu, I want to get back to UT investing. feels so lost, any good place where you'd recommend me to start reading again? Do you also do stocks?
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QUOTE(Michaelbyz23 @ Oct 24 2016, 04:54 PM)
Smart people like you surely leaves govt once you see the opportunity! Say hi to Dr Wong S.Y., your previous HOD biggrin.gif
Anyways, sifu, I want to get back to UT investing. feels so lost, any good place where you'd recommend me to start reading again? Do you also do stocks?
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I am no sifu bro. I am still learning but I can say I would pour tea to xuxen as a token of respect and gratitude. He has thought me well and I believe in his methodology of investing.

As for articles, I normally read ideas from FSM android app. You should have that in your phone at all times. Also follow this thread esp when a person here asks for portfolio evaluation or when one of the veterans open up his crystal ball for us to peek.

Do get yourself acquainted with reading day to day happenings around the world and roughly gauge how an event affects you be it the Budget 2017 to Brexit to Fed Hike to the presidential elections. No doubt UT is considered "stable" compared to stocks but sometimes an event directly can cause a downward trend like the one two weeks ago when India-pakistan started a short combat. (caused Manulife India to dip for a little bit) which rebounded back over the weekend.

I can rewrite what they have teached me but the best place is to read all the previous threads. Its a tedious process but I love it.

Compared to reading politics, anwar back side debacle or whatever. I prefer to keep upgrade myself on a daily basis.
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QUOTE(Avangelice @ Oct 24 2016, 04:49 PM)
funny you should say that.

I was Hong Leong eBroker office in kuching last friday and was "interviewed" by one of the ladies there. She expected I was another naive idiot who wanted quick money but end up losing all his savings then go office flip table.

I gave her info of what I learn here. Dollar cost averaging, to how stocks vs unit trusts work and lastly she ask I bet you are a unit trust agent.

I tell you that face she made when I told her i work in medical. LOL...Makes me one proud mother fucker. 

All thanks to you boys for tutoring me.
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I won't be surprised that you would actually know more than some of those so-called con-sultans! Just a bit of reading, researching, understanding and reading this amazing thread go a longggg way! So yeah..in their faces! 😈 Anyways..this thread makes learning more fun!

QUOTE(Michaelbyz23 @ Oct 24 2016, 04:54 PM)
Smart people like you surely leaves govt once you see the opportunity! Say hi to Dr Wong S.Y., your previous HOD biggrin.gif
Anyways, sifu, I want to get back to UT investing. feels so lost, any good place where you'd recommend me to start reading again? Do you also do stocks?
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How small can this world be? Never knew the medical community in kch is active in DIY UT investment:P If I'm not mistaken Avangelice is in private practice now,no?

Do take the time to read the last few versions of this thread. Its worthwhile👍
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QUOTE(AIYH @ Oct 24 2016, 04:41 PM)
I rarely came across any agents, be it financial or insurance, let alone UT  laugh.gif

Just that my gf as well as my parents really trust on PM (due to pre and early 2000 strong performance)

So initially is hard for me to present FSM's convenience, a wide variety of choice and low cost to them until I started to work recently, earn income and take the initiative to try it out myself, while learning from all the sifus here, to make my words more credible for them to invest in FSM  notworthy.gif

Thanks to technology and recent PM subpar performance that makes the variety of choice in FSM platform attractive  laugh.gif
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Actually I'm thinking very hard how I got to know FSM and for the life of me I can't remember. Definitely not from here cos I only discover this thread after I started with FSM. I think must be when I try to find ways to invest in PRS for tax relief.

Anyway since then I've been a strong advocate for FSM, until beginning of this year when I realise non-finance background ppl who r not interested in investments can benefit from a good agent

OT: there used to be a UTC in this thread ma. But the fella went MIA from the forum jor. That's where I buy affin hwang select bond
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QUOTE(dasecret @ Oct 24 2016, 07:19 PM)
Actually I'm thinking very hard how I got to know FSM and for the life of me I can't remember. Definitely not from here cos I only discover this thread after I started with FSM. I think must be when I try to find ways to invest in PRS for tax relief.

Anyway since then I've been a strong advocate for FSM, until beginning of this year when I realise non-finance background ppl who r not interested in investments can benefit from a good agent

OT: there used to be a UTC in this thread ma. But the fella went MIA from the forum jor. That's where I buy affin hwang select bond
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For me, I find FSM when I was deciding to invest online and finding an online platform for it (due to many bad agents servicing experience around my family and friends)

Personally I agree with the bolded statement above if it was 10/20 years ago where information is limited, your only source of information and advice is from agents.

However, we are living in an era where technology advance faster than expected (I mean who in 10/20 years ago can imagine now having smartphones everywhere, internet access and online services are so convenient to all age)

In UT context, agents must catch up by being more advisory orientated and more knowledge equipped instead of relying sales (since majority can access online for information and the number of people in this category will just increase at the moment), if not they will fall behind and break their rice bowl laugh.gif

Where did luken go? sad.gif (although I rmb he said he seldom speak here, but thats quite some time ago)
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Where did luken go? sad.gif (although I rmb he said he seldom speak here, but thats quite some time ago)
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The end of year is coming to a close, quota need to be filled. Sales target need to be met.... Lukenn will be busy doing his last minute closing. Where got time to layan you all, tok kok fellers who DIY UTF investing and not go through agent punya? Buang masa with you bunch of people only.....

Next year lar... he'll be back!

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I'm planning to do a revamp of my portfolio allocation. Minta nasihat/pendapat sifu sifu sekalian.

MY - KGF 10% EISC 10% RHB IBF 15%
Asia Pac - AmREITS Class B 15% RHB AIF 20%
EM - RHB EMBF 10%
DM - Titties 15%
Ind- Manu Ind 5%

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I'm planning to do a revamp of my portfolio allocation. Minta nasihat/pendapat sifu sifu sekalian.

MY - KGF 10% EISC 10% RHB IBF 15%
Asia Pac - AmREITS Class B 15% RHB AIF 20%
EM - RHB EMBF 10%
DM - Titties 15%
Ind- Manu Ind 5%

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I must say your diversification is better than mine.

how is the return like?

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May I know what do you have in mind for the revamp? Like what do you plan to change? In terms of better funds or divert to different region or realign your portfolio asset allocation? smile.gif
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I must say your diversification is better than mine.

how is the return like?
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May I know what do you have in mind for the revamp? Like what do you plan to change? In terms of better funds or divert to different region or realign your portfolio asset allocation? smile.gif
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I've just started UTF investing in January, back then didn't know that with RSP one could start up a fund with the bare minimum top-up. Hence ended up with Ponzi 2.0, Titans, KGF and EISC with little emphasis on allocation % (didnt have regular funds to DCA) Only recently have I started setting aside a fixed amount monthly for UTF investment, wife was against UTF LOL! So decided to look seriously into geographical allocation and eventually came up with the portfolio above, xuzen is sure to accuse me of trying to catch em all!

Not sure how resilient this portfolio is going to be though. Going high on equities now does seem a tad risky. Any input/advice will be much appreciated smile.gif
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QUOTE(drew86 @ Oct 24 2016, 10:24 PM)
I've just started UTF investing in January, back then didn't know that with RSP one could start up a fund with the bare minimum top-up. Hence ended up with Ponzi 2.0, Titans, KGF and EISC with little emphasis on allocation % (didnt have regular funds to DCA) Only recently have I started setting aside a fixed amount monthly for UTF investment, wife was against UTF LOL! So decided to look seriously into geographical allocation and eventually came up with the portfolio above, xuzen is sure to accuse me of trying to catch em all!

Not sure how resilient this portfolio is going to be though. Going high on equities now does seem a tad risky. Any input/advice will be much appreciated smile.gif
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it depends on your age and your appetite for high risk equities that of course pays better returns than their counter parts.

if you are around my age, where I can afford to lose a few hundreds why not for a chance to read the returns for my endeavors. why not? unless you are investing with money you are afraid to lose then I would suggest you stuck to fixed income funds and balance funds.

also your Malaysian investments are all in the right place just that you may want to top up on other regions like India. bring it to maybe 15% of your portfolio or maybe 20% if you dare.


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QUOTE(Avangelice @ Oct 24 2016, 10:29 PM)
it depends on your age and your appetite for high risk equities that of course pays better returns than their counter parts.

if you are around my age, where I can afford to lose a few hundreds why not for a chance to read the returns for my endeavors. why not? unless you are investing with money you are afraid to lose then I would suggest you stuck to fixed income funds and balance funds.

also your Malaysian investments are all in the right place just that you may want to top up on other regions like India. bring it to maybe 15% of your portfolio or maybe 20% if you dare.
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As Master YodaZen said before, the best way to know ones risk appetite is to take the necessary steps towards experiencing UTF investment. Hence that is what I shall embark on. However I'm just a wee bit cautious in times like these where the market is threatening a meltdown (or not). Not concerned with short term losses due to volatility.

My instinct is preventing me from overweighting in country specific UTF..how heavily vested are you in India, may I ask?
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QUOTE(drew86 @ Oct 24 2016, 10:24 PM)
I've just started UTF investing in January, back then didn't know that with RSP one could start up a fund with the bare minimum top-up. Hence ended up with Ponzi 2.0, Titans, KGF and EISC with little emphasis on allocation % (didnt have regular funds to DCA) Only recently have I started setting aside a fixed amount monthly for UTF investment, wife was against UTF LOL! So decided to look seriously into geographical allocation and eventually came up with the portfolio above, xuzen is sure to accuse me of trying to catch em all!

Not sure how resilient this portfolio is going to be though. Going high on equities now does seem a tad risky. Any input/advice will be much appreciated smile.gif
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I started with initial investment via RSP on July, but currently RSP-ing 11 funds (don't con me laugh.gif )

Not sure how long is your investment horizon, and how positive you are in Malaysia market, but I will suggest you keep only one, either KGF or EISCF (I invested into both so don't con me laugh.gif), but according to 3 year risk return ratio, will recommend you to keep EISCF

RHB IBF is fine due to emerging shariah investment opportunity from EPF

But the amount of EISCF plus IBF will depends on how much you have in malaysia's other low risk investment (Asx, FD, GIA etc...), but I recommend keeping both at most 20%

For titan, you may consider opting for TA GTF for being very correlated but better risk return ratio (although I invested in TItan, TA europe and GTF, don't con me laugh.gif)

Manulife India, this one I no comment (since I invested in CIMB china india indonesia), but your current allocation for this is fine

RHB EBMF is fine too smile.gif

For AmAsia REITS and RHB AIF, since currently Asia Ex Jpn are in favour, I will recommend invest each 25% smile.gif (I invested in ponzi 1, Poni 2 and amasia reits, dont whack me laugh.gif)

So I will suggest the following:

EISCF : 10%
RHB IBF : 10%
TA GTF : 15%
Manulife India : 5%
RHB EBMF : 10%
AmAsia Reits : 25%
RHB AIF : 25%

Do try to analyze and understand your needs and readjust to suit your risk appetite and geographic allocation smile.gif

p/s : if you follow the above allocation, the performance graph as a portfolio will performed as shown below as portfolio 1 (blue line)
(portfolio 2 (black line) is my 11 fund RSP allocation style of portfolio laugh.gif)

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QUOTE(drew86 @ Oct 24 2016, 10:50 PM)
As Master YodaZen said before, the best way to know ones risk appetite is to take the necessary steps towards experiencing UTF investment. Hence that is what I shall embark on. However I'm just a wee bit cautious in times like these where the market is threatening a meltdown (or not). Not concerned with short term losses due to volatility.

My instinct is preventing me from overweighting in country specific UTF..how heavily vested are you in India, may I ask?
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Haven't been on here much, quick comment. I haven't had enough of investment experience, but have been observing trend of forummers.

1) di-worse-sification is not uncommon when bringing up portfolio returns topic. The ease of buying any funds has something to do with it. On average, most regulars here has >5 funds. And that's probably equity alone. Like the master zen said, it's really not pokemon

2) Notice a trend of newcomers chasing funds based on past return only to be bitten, in the short to medium term. This is especially true for those who bought foreign funds. The good returns are contributed greatly by weakening ringgit. Do take note on it may not happen again on the same scale.

Example, asia pac/china fund when fsm recommended it during q1 last year. Probably breaking even now?

3) thinking about buy low sell high. Yo people, not stock market. Undervalued stock is unlike a undervalued market.

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TA Global needs a dose of steroid after last week's declaration of one-for-five unit split for the fund.

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also I would like to share to everyone this scenario where I took advantage of the sales last month vs toping up after the distribution.

as you can see the one in Sept (discount top up) is in negative.

take away message. don't be so gung ho when discounts happen and lump sum into it. stick to your DCA and in mini purchases.
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also I would like to share to everyone this scenario where I took advantage of the sales last month vs toping up after the distribution.

as you can see the one in Sept (discount top up) is in negative.

take away message. don't be so gung ho when discounts happen and lump sum into it. stick to your DCA and in mini purchases.
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I must say, your investment on 13th Oct was so lucky cause the NAV is at the lowest point at the moment in recent period (even if the distribution never happen) laugh.gif
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I must say, your investment on 13th Oct was so lucky cause the NAV is at the lowest point at the moment in recent period (even if the distribution never happen) laugh.gif
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pure classic example of why DCA helps. imagine someone lump sum just to take advantage of the discount on the last day of September
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pure classic example of why DCA helps. imagine someone lump sum just to take advantage of the discount on the last day of September
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QUOTE(AIYH @ Oct 25 2016, 09:17 AM)
I must say, your investment on 13th Oct was so lucky cause the NAV is at the lowest point at the moment in recent period (even if the distribution never happen) laugh.gif
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Wow...if lump sum on that day....untung lah....
...it is another classic example of NOT either DCA or Lump sum....it is just ....plain...whatever....
If that "thing" is not with you...there could also be possibility of each DCA are at the 80% high side range....
Go for FSM 5 stars...stay with it fir a more upsides potential
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I must say the recommended portfolio by fsm is actually not that bad..return is at 5% now (4 months into this portfolio)
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Tis last 3 months...mkts up leh....
Try simulate that 4 month fom Dec 2015 till Mar 2016
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QUOTE(MUM @ Oct 25 2016, 09:30 AM)
Tis last 3 months...mkts up leh....
Try simulate that 4 month fom Dec 2015 till Mar 2016
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I must say the recommended portfolio by fsm is actually not that bad..return is at 5% now (4 months into this portfolio)
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remember you are in for a long haul. UT is not stocks. don't base your success within a short period of time. wait till a year or two and come back and show us your success story.

as per what MUM said. you may have 4 months of success but back in last '15 the funds lausai.
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That time i tak invest lagi..takpe we shall see the performance of this portfolio in the upcoming months
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Good...just to point out that ...it is another classic example of that "thing" in play more than the good portfolio placement, or dca or lump sum...
A good portfolio has to performs in good times and still be able to stay intacts during bad times....

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QUOTE(MUM @ Oct 25 2016, 09:39 AM)
Good...just to point out that ...it is another classic example of that "thing" in play more than the good portfolio placement, or dca or lump sum...
A good portfolio has to performs in good times and still be able to stay intacts during bad times....
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what is that "thing"?
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hmm.gif  hmm.gif  hmm.gif

what is that "thing"?
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hmm.gif  hmm.gif  hmm.gif

what is that "thing"?
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😃 this thing will only shows itselfs after we are shown the historical trends....☺
Ha ha
There goes another classic examole on the need to hv a balanced & diversified portfolio. Don't gung ho unless you can take the heat.....there are some forummers that gung ho- ed during early 2015 on china...(some advised them not to go so heavy on china that time too)...then now cursing ut is not a good investment....


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QUOTE(AIYH @ Oct 24 2016, 07:54 PM)

Personally I agree with the bolded statement above if it was 10/20 years ago where information is limited, your only source of information and advice is from agents.

However, we are living in an era where technology advance faster than expected (I mean who in 10/20 years ago can imagine now having smartphones everywhere, internet access and online services are so convenient to all age)

In UT context, agents must catch up by being more advisory orientated and more knowledge equipped instead of relying sales (since majority can access online for information and the number of people in this category will just increase at the moment), if not they will fall behind and break their rice bowl laugh.gif

Where did luken go? sad.gif (although I rmb he said he seldom speak here, but thats quite some time ago)
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I used to think like you too, because we have interest in finance and investments. We tend to forget that some people have no interest and find it a chore to figure out what investment to put in, and would rather someone else tell them what to do.

If you pay attention, every now and then there would be newbies coming in to ask what to buy or say that they started FSM by just following whatever popular fund discussed here. So there would be a market, albeit a smaller one, of people who would pay for advisory and constructing of portfolio to meet their needs.

I sent the link to the once in-house UTC and he say to send his regards wor...
I guess it's understandable that he doesn't spend much time here anymore since he's achieved what he wanted and there's obviously not much business development opportunities here sweat.gif


QUOTE(drew86 @ Oct 24 2016, 10:50 PM)
As Master YodaZen said before, the best way to know ones risk appetite is to take the necessary steps towards experiencing UTF investment. Hence that is what I shall embark on. However I'm just a wee bit cautious in times like these where the market is threatening a meltdown (or not). Not concerned with short term losses due to volatility.

My instinct is preventing me from overweighting in country specific UTF..how heavily vested are you in India, may I ask?
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And we learn a lot more about ourselves after going through down cycles, on how much risk we really can stomach.
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QUOTE(AIYH @ Oct 25 2016, 10:17 AM)
Excellent. But will wait. The extra saving of 1.5% not worth it for me yet.
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QUOTE(AIYH @ Oct 25 2016, 10:17 AM)
thank you OP. most likely I'll drop quantum from my radar and pick up cimb and top up rhb

need to study the correlation between all of them.

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QUOTE(dasecret @ Oct 25 2016, 10:07 AM)
I used to think like you too, because we have interest in finance and investments. We tend to forget that some people have no interest and find it a chore to figure out what investment to put in, and would rather someone else tell them what to do.

If you pay attention, every now and then there would be newbies coming in to ask what to buy or say that they started FSM by just following whatever popular fund discussed here. So there would be a market, albeit a smaller one, of people who would pay for advisory and constructing of portfolio to meet their needs.
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Excellent.  But will wait. The extra saving of 1.5% not worth it for me yet.
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Sadly, the promotion doesnt cover my RSP date cry.gif

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thank you OP. most likely I'll drop quantum from my radar  and pick up cimb and top up rhb

need to study the correlation between all of them.
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To me I think Ponzi 1 and Ponzi are 2 different in geographic allocation (although within asia pac) and sector focus (ponzi 1 focus on small mid cap while ponzi 2 can be anything), so I invested in both of them smile.gif

RHB AIF doesnt suit me because:

i) I doing RSP every month, so the volatility and long term performance of Ponzi 1 and Ponzi 2 suits me better

ii) I also invested in AmAsia Reits and RHB EBMF, so I don't really need RHB AIF which is a mixture of asia pac equity, reits and bonds

RHB AIF is good if you want a fund that does all instead of investing in individual focus fund and lump sum with some dca smile.gif
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That is why our role are even more important in the modern social media era, as everyone can go online seek for "free" advice, we can share the experience and opinion so that it will not mislead them smile.gif

And this will push agents to focus more on portfolio management and financial planning to provide more comprehensive advice (if not, what to eat if everyone can share experience online laugh.gif)
Sadly, the promotion doesnt cover my RSP date  cry.gif
To me I think Ponzi 1 and Ponzi are 2 different in geographic allocation (although within asia pac) and sector focus (ponzi 1 focus on small mid cap while ponzi 2 can be anything), so I invested in both of them smile.gif

RHB AIF doesnt suit me because:

i) I doing RSP every month, so the volatility and long term performance of Ponzi 1 and Ponzi 2 suits me better

ii) I also invested in AmAsia Reits and RHB EBMF, so I don't really need RHB AIF which is a mixture of asia pac equity, reits and bonds

RHB AIF is good if you want a fund that does all instead of investing in individual focus fund and lump sum with some dca smile.gif
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I have amreit and rhb aif in my portfolio. hmm... now this is my conundrum... hmm... looks like I'll have to bail either one. or just hold investing in either one and focus on Ponzi 2.

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I have amreit and rhb aif in my portfolio. hmm... now this is my conundrum... hmm... looks like I'll have to bail either one. or just hold investing in either one and focus on Ponzi 2.
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If you prefer stability and all in one with a peace of mind with lump sum, then RHB AIF.

Else, if you do RSP like me or you like to ride roller coaster, then keep Ponzis and Am reits with an asia bond fund to stabilize them laugh.gif

Because holding both equity with bonds and balance fund in a portfolio will overlap quite some bruce.gif

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If you prefer stability and all in one with a peace of mind with lump sum, then RHB AIF.

Else, if you do RSP like me or you like to ride roller coaster, then keep Ponzis and Am reits with an asia bond fund to stabilize them laugh.gif

Because holding both equity with bonds and balance fund in a portfolio will overlap quite some  bruce.gif
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option 1

i switch all my rhb aif to rhb bond fund when I transfer my fix deposit maturing next month 100% to rhb bond at no switching fee keep AmAsia REIT and purchase Ponzi 2

trading stability over return

optiom two
switch my amreit to rhb aif with a switching fee.
investing in one single balance fund in Asian ex Japan region.
invest fix despite into 80% to rhb bond and 20% to AIF

trading returns for stability.

also I think I'll start a cash management fund rather than RSP. your RSP is very rigid and I don't like structured decisions. CMF seems to be to my liking. switch proceeds to CMF and use sales proceeds to buy unit trust and best of all no lag time

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QUOTE(Avangelice @ Oct 25 2016, 11:33 AM)
option 1

i switch all my rhb aif to rhb bond fund when I transfer my fix deposit maturing next month 100% to rhb bond at no switching fee keep AmAsia REIT and purchase Ponzi 2

trading stability over return

optiom two
switch  my amreit to rhb aif with a switching fee.
investing in one single balance fund in Asian ex Japan region.
invest fix despite into 80% to rhb bond and 20% to AIF

trading returns for stability.

also I think I'll start a cash management fund rather than RSP. your RSP is very rigid and I don't like structured decisions. CMF seems to be to my liking. switch proceeds to CMF and use sales proceeds to buy unit trust and best of all no lag time
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Hahaha, can understand your frustration over RSP strict timeline laugh.gif, but I opt that to set up a monthly investment period instead of DCA (because I think DCA will sometimes subject to emotional reaction towards market, which affect your decision in investing frequency)

If you can invest monthly by resisting emotional reaction towards market cycle or you know when is the up and down period of the market and invest accordingly, then go for option 1.

Otherwise, go for option 2.

p/s : you can also rsp from cmf, just fyi tongue.gif

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remember you are in for a long haul. UT is not stocks. don't base your success within a short period of time. wait till a year or two and come back and show us your success story.

as per what MUM said. you may have 4 months of success but back in last '15 the funds lausai.
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Good...just to point out that ...it is another classic example of that "thing" in play more than the good portfolio placement, or dca or lump sum...
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I noticed some of the forumers here are making the same mistake that I made. At the beginning of this year everyone was cursing Ponzi 2 - not performing-lah, lau sai-lah, etc. Some of us switched out or trimmed down on Ponzi 2. I switched out 50% of my investment in Ponzi 2 and then increased it again a few months ago.

Now suddenly Ponzi 2 is the darling again. Everyone is gung ho about it.

In the long run, we will pay the PRICE for doing this. If you are in your 20's and early 30's, I think it is still OK. I assume the investment amount will not be huge and you will have time to rectify your mistake later on (with another investment horizon of 20 years).

But for mature investors in their 40's and 50's, they could be entering into danger zone if they keep switching in and out to look for the latest "hot" fund. This is because they don't have the luxury of time.

Ok, you can now start cursing me for being a party pooper. biggrin.gif
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Ex-FSM MY now FSM SG user here, dropped by to say hi. 😀

Currently hovering around 10% IRR.

Hopefully they'll link both market then fellow Malaysians can have access to some really good funds.
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QUOTE(AIYH @ Oct 25 2016, 11:39 AM)
Hahaha, can understand your frustration over RSP strict timeline laugh.gif, but I opt that to set up a monthly investment period instead of DCA (because I think DCA will sometimes subject to emotional reaction towards market, which affect your decision in investing frequency)

If you can invest monthly by resisting emotional reaction towards market cycle or you know when is the up and down period of the market and invest accordingly, then go for option 1.

Otherwise, go for option 2.

p/s : you can also rsp from cmf, just fyi tongue.gif
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QUOTE(Vanguard 2015 @ Oct 25 2016, 11:55 AM)
I noticed some of the forumers here are making the same mistake that I made. At the beginning of this year everyone was cursing Ponzi 2 - not performing-lah, lau sai-lah, etc. Some of us switched out or trimmed down on Ponzi 2. I switched out 50% of my investment in Ponzi 2 and then increased it again a few months ago.

Now suddenly Ponzi 2 is the darling again. Everyone is gung ho about it.

In the long run, we will pay the PRICE for doing this. If you are in your 20's and early 30's, I think it is still OK. I assume the investment amount will not be huge and you will have time to rectify your mistake later on (with another investment horizon of 20 years).

But for mature investors in their 40's and 50's, they could be entering into danger zone if they keep switching in and out to look for the latest "hot" fund. This is because they don't have the luxury of time.

Ok, you can now start cursing me for being a party pooper.  biggrin.gif
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past 6 months i am 20% BETTER than Ponzi 1.0 and 2.0 leh.
no consider me abit -ah...
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past 6 months i am 20% BETTER than Ponzi 1.0 and 2.0 leh.
no consider me abit -ah...
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You mean your investment without Ponzi 1.0 and 2.0 for the past 6 months have increase 20% ?
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Sorry catch no ball here.

You mean your investment without Ponzi 1.0 and 2.0 for the past 6 months have increase 20% ?
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Sorry catch no ball here.

You mean your investment without Ponzi 1.0 and 2.0 for the past 6 months have increase 20% ?
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Ex-FSM MY now FSM SG user here, dropped by to say hi. 😀

Currently hovering around 10% IRR.

Hopefully they'll link both market then fellow Malaysians can have access to some really good funds.
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Wow! I started on FSM SG last year but kinda got no where with mediocre IRR. What are the funds that you would recommend?

Come share kungfu here please
https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...rmart+singapore

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May you suggest on how to open an singapore bank account for investing in FSM instead of relying on TT if we reside in Malaysia? smile.gif
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How I wish there is a Pakistan fund too lol.

One another note, I have just severed my ties to PM after more than 10years of relationship. Total invested ~RM25k, IRR near 3%. Can't blame no one except my own damn self.
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Sorry catch no ball here.

You mean your investment without Ponzi 1.0 and 2.0 for the past 6 months have increase 20% ?
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India market.
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would India be the next dragon from Asia region?
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QUOTE(lee82gx @ Oct 25 2016, 12:48 PM)
How I wish there is a Pakistan fund too lol.

One another note, I have just severed my ties to PM after more than 10years of relationship. Total invested ~RM25k, IRR near 3%. Can't blame no one except my own damn self.
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that said, you must have given PM alot of commissions over the past ten years.
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shall we start calling Manulife india Ponzi 3.0 then. (tongue in cheek comment)
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May you suggest on how to open an singapore bank account for investing in FSM instead of relying on TT if we reside in Malaysia? smile.gif
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And what the guy mentioned there's a separate thread on that.


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Wow! I started on FSM SG last year but kinda got no where with mediocre IRR. What are the funds that you would recommend?

Come share kungfu here please
https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...rmart+singapore
There's a thread on how to open SG bank account. Previously can open through CIMB Msia if you are preferred client
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- Fidelity America A USD (recently axed as I decided to invest in US ETF directly)
- Fidelity Global Technology A EUR (keeping it as it outpeforms most US listed technology ETF)
- United Asian Bond Fund Class SGD
- United SGD Fund Cl A Acc SGD
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Sorry I have no idea about that as I work in SG.  blush.gif
And what the guy mentioned there's a separate thread on that.
My portfolio includes:
- First State Dividend Advantage
- HGIF Asia Ex-Jap Eq Sm Cos SGD AD
- Fidelity America A USD (recently axed as I decided to invest in US ETF directly)
- Fidelity Global Technology A EUR (keeping it as it outpeforms most US listed technology ETF)
- United Asian Bond Fund Class SGD
- United SGD Fund Cl A Acc SGD
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Hello

I also have 2 common funds :

First State Dividend
United SGD Fund CI A SGD

we should discuss more in FSM SG thread. smile.gif
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QUOTE(dasecret @ Oct 25 2016, 12:47 PM)
Wow! I started on FSM SG last year but kinda got no where with mediocre IRR. What are the funds that you would recommend?

Come share kungfu here please
https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...rmart+singapore
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QUOTE(V-Zero @ Oct 25 2016, 02:00 PM)
Sorry I have no idea about that as I work in SG.  blush.gif
And what the guy mentioned there's a separate thread on that.
My portfolio includes:
- First State Dividend Advantage
- HGIF Asia Ex-Jap Eq Sm Cos SGD AD
- Fidelity America A USD (recently axed as I decided to invest in US ETF directly)
- Fidelity Global Technology A EUR (keeping it as it outpeforms most US listed technology ETF)
- United Asian Bond Fund Class SGD
- United SGD Fund Cl A Acc SGD
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apologies my Singapore brothers,

there is a separate FSM SG thread available >>>> https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...rmart+singapore

let us stick to MY FSM here, would like information to be readily available to future investors if they were to read this topic.

thanks! Happy investing!
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India is the cream of my crop. the jewel of my eye. the rose amongst the thorns.

like seriously 15% in less than a year. it's on steroids.
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QUOTE(Vanguard 2015 @ Oct 25 2016, 11:55 AM)
I noticed some of the forumers here are making the same mistake that I made. At the beginning of this year everyone was cursing Ponzi 2 - not performing-lah, lau sai-lah, etc. Some of us switched out or trimmed down on Ponzi 2. I switched out 50% of my investment in Ponzi 2 and then increased it again a few months ago.

Now suddenly Ponzi 2 is the darling again. Everyone is gung ho about it.

In the long run, we will pay the PRICE for doing this. If you are in your 20's and early 30's, I think it is still OK. I assume the investment amount will not be huge and you will have time to rectify your mistake later on (with another investment horizon of 20 years).

But for mature investors in their 40's and 50's, they could be entering into danger zone if they keep switching in and out to look for the latest "hot" fund. This is because they don't have the luxury of time.

Ok, you can now start cursing me for being a party pooper.  biggrin.gif
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take the opportunity of low s/c 0.5%

topped up RHB Asian Income today.

still thinking whether Ponzi 1 or Ponzi 2 ? ( I m alrdy heavy in EISC )

so better don't top up Ponzi 1?

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Friends,

If you are a participant of RHB AIF, on 27/10/2016, there will surely be a drop in NAV. Confirm!

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Friends,

If you are a participant of RHB AIF, on 27/10/2016, there will surely be a drop in NAV. Confirm!

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Friends,

If you are a participant of RHB AIF, on 27/10/2016, there will surely be a drop in NAV. Confirm!

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Friends,

If you are a participant of RHB AIF, on 27/10/2016, there will surely be a drop in NAV. Confirm!

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Better to subscribe after 27/10?
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yes. some people whack the fund kao kao after distribution. coupled along with the 0.5% sales charge. it's a good opportunity to lump sum

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Nasdaq gained 1% last night. Maybe that will help.
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not often you get a distribution AND sales promotion for that particular fund AND a high chance that Asia ex Japan is the new darling in UT.

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Want to ask:

If RHB AIF for whatever reason no longer is favoured and another fund is the flavour of the month, what will you all do?

I mean, now we know that the market is volatile and a lot of pure equity may be too volatile for our current liking, what if the market as a whole turnaround and pure equity fund becomes de'riguer again?

What would you do?

Xuzen

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Want to ask:

If RHB AIF for whatever reason no longer is favoured and another fund is the flavour of the month, what will you all do?

I mean, now we know that the market is volatile and a lot of pure equity may be too volatile for our current liking, what if the market as a whole turnaround and pure equity fund becomes de'riguer again?

What would you do?

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hold down and wait out the storm.

continue on DCA.

we are investing in Unit trusts not stocks so continue sailing on as markets will go up and down such is the wheel of life,

also our other equities in our portfolio will cover for the "lost of return" because of our practice of diversification

in short. don't panic and be patient.

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QUOTE(xuzen @ Oct 25 2016, 09:50 PM)
Want to ask:

If RHB AIF for whatever reason no longer is favoured and another fund is the flavour of the month, what will you all do?

I mean, now we know that the market is volatile and a lot of pure equity may be too volatile for our current liking, what if the market as a whole turnaround and pure equity fund becomes de'riguer again?

What would you do?

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QUOTE(Avangelice @ Oct 25 2016, 09:55 PM)
hold down and wait out the storm.

continue on DCA.

we are investing in Unit trusts not stocks so continue sailing on as markets will go up and down such is the wheel of life,

also our other equities in our portfolio will cover for the "lost of return"  because of our practice of diversification

in short. don't panic and be patient.

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If I am not mistaken, RHB AIF practice distribution quarterly

Volatility and long term performance are the reasons I still favor Ponzi 1 and 2

Is just the promotion doesnt cover my monthly schedule

Sigh... no choice, resist temptation, continue my monthly investment as usual laugh.gif

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Want to ask:

If RHB AIF for whatever reason no longer is favoured and another fund is the flavour of the month, what will you all do?

I mean, now we know that the market is volatile and a lot of pure equity may be too volatile for our current liking, what if the market as a whole turnaround and pure equity fund becomes de'riguer again?

What would you do?

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QUOTE(xuzen @ Oct 25 2016, 09:50 PM)
Want to ask:

If RHB AIF for whatever reason no longer is favoured and another fund is the flavour of the month, what will you all do?

I mean, now we know that the market is volatile and a lot of pure equity may be too volatile for our current liking, what if the market as a whole turnaround and pure equity fund becomes de'riguer again?

What would you do?

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QUOTE(xuzen @ Oct 25 2016, 09:50 PM)
Want to ask:

If RHB AIF for whatever reason no longer is favoured and another fund is the flavour of the month, what will you all do?

I mean, now we know that the market is volatile and a lot of pure equity may be too volatile for our current liking, what if the market as a whole turnaround and pure equity fund becomes de'riguer again?

What would you do?

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Nobody knows when and how exactly the market will react, will it go on a bull? Rebound? Correct? Meltdown? If one has chosen a balanced fund, one has decided he's got no steel balls. Ride it on as per plan, and when and if the balls turn to steel and one is comfortable riding on the pure equity boat, then hop on! Staying on a balanced fund will at worst net you lower profit than the pure equity counterparts in good times.
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Hi all Sifus,

I've just recently started investing in FSM for few months now,

My current portfolio:

Libra Asnita Bond (25%)
TA Global Technology Fund (25%)
Eastspring Investments Small-Cap Fund (25%)
RHB Asian Income Fund (25%)

As FSM is giving some juicy sales charge discount for asian funds, i would like to diversify more into asian market/emerging markets.

Currently thinking of adding few into my portfolio

CIMB-P Greater China Equity
CIMB-P Asia Pac (ponzi 2.0?)
Manulife India

I appreciate any advise and suggestions given. TQ icon_question.gif icon_question.gif
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QUOTE(andrewkuek91 @ Oct 25 2016, 11:53 PM)
Hi all Sifus,

I've just recently started investing in FSM for few months now,

My current portfolio:

Libra Asnita Bond (25%)
TA Global Technology Fund (25%)
Eastspring Investments Small-Cap Fund (25%)
RHB Asian Income Fund (25%)

As FSM is giving some juicy sales charge discount for asian funds, i would like to diversify more into asian market/emerging markets.

Currently thinking of adding few into my portfolio

CIMB-P Greater China Equity
CIMB-P Asia Pac (ponzi 2.0?)
Manulife India

I appreciate any advise and suggestions given. TQ icon_question.gif  icon_question.gif
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QUOTE(andrewkuek91 @ Oct 25 2016, 11:53 PM)
Hi all Sifus,

I've just recently started investing in FSM for few months now,

My current portfolio:

Libra Asnita Bond (25%)
TA Global Technology Fund (25%)
Eastspring Investments Small-Cap Fund (25%)
RHB Asian Income Fund (25%)

As FSM is giving some juicy sales charge discount for asian funds, i would like to diversify more into asian market/emerging markets.

Currently thinking of adding few into my portfolio

CIMB-P Greater China Equity
CIMB-P Asia Pac (ponzi 2.0?)
Manulife India

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And yes, if it was me, i would increase my asia holdings.

Be careful with single country but non-Malaysian fund. volatility is indeed much higher.

if you want to buy Greater China Equity, check out the performance in the past 2 years... get a feel of the volatility involved so that you know what you're gonna get. Oh, btw, not to jinx it... FSM recommended CIMB greater China in March 2015. guess what happened after March 2015? biggrin.gif

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QUOTE(andrewkuek91 @ Oct 25 2016, 11:53 PM)
Hi all Sifus,

I've just recently started investing in FSM for few months now,

My current portfolio:

Libra Asnita Bond (25%)
TA Global Technology Fund (25%)
Eastspring Investments Small-Cap Fund (25%)
RHB Asian Income Fund (25%)

As FSM is giving some juicy sales charge discount for asian funds, i would like to diversify more into asian market/emerging markets.

Currently thinking of adding few into my portfolio

CIMB-P Greater China Equity
CIMB-P Asia Pac (ponzi 2.0?)
Manulife India

I appreciate any advise and suggestions given. TQ icon_question.gif  icon_question.gif
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"I" would go with my self imposed guidance......
if
3 yrs annualised volatility <5 (approximates allocation 25%)
3 yrs annualised volatility 5~10 (approximates allocation 20%)
3 yrs annualised volatility 10~12.5 (approximates allocation 15%)
3 yrs annualised volatility 12.5~15 (approximates allocation 10%)
3 yrs annualised volatility > 15 (approximates allocation 5%)

therefore "I" would allocate the allocation as ....

Libra Asnita Bond..........3 yrs annualised volatility 1.06 ...... (25%)
TA Global Technology Fund.........3 yrs annualised volatility 11.52 ...... (15%)
Eastspring Investments Small-Cap Fund..........3 yrs annualised volatility 13.54 ...... (10%)
RHB Asian Income Fund......3 yrs annualised volatility 5.85 ....(20%)
CIMB-P Greater China Equity............3 yrs annualised volatility 15.03 .....(5%)
CIMB-P Asia Pac (ponzi 2.0)..........3 yrs annualised volatility 9.6 ......(20%)
Manulife India.........3 yrs annualised volatility 16.38 ......(5 %)

just a note:
"I" may not have the same risk appetite as yours,...so the fund selection and allocation maybe different.
"I" want my portfolio to be able to stay intact when the little storm comes...
these 3 yrs annualised volatility % would have to be updated from time to time
overlapped funds coverage may create havoc to the allocation too...

"I" now want to go sleep....
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QUOTE(T231H @ Oct 26 2016, 05:11 AM)
"I" would go with my self imposed guidance......
if
3 yrs annualised volatility <5 (approximates allocation 25%)
3 yrs annualised volatility 5~10 (approximates allocation 20%)
3 yrs annualised volatility 10~12.5 (approximates allocation 15%)
3 yrs annualised volatility 12.5~15 (approximates allocation 10%)
3 yrs annualised volatility > 15 (approximates allocation 5%)

therefore "I" would allocate the allocation as ....

Libra Asnita Bond..........3 yrs annualised volatility 1.06 ...... (25%)
TA Global Technology Fund.........3 yrs annualised volatility 11.52 ...... (15%)
Eastspring Investments Small-Cap Fund..........3 yrs annualised volatility 13.54 ...... (10%)
RHB Asian Income Fund......3 yrs annualised volatility 5.85 ....(20%)
CIMB-P Greater China Equity............3 yrs annualised volatility 15.03 .....(5%)
CIMB-P Asia Pac (ponzi 2.0)..........3 yrs annualised volatility 9.6 ......(20%)
Manulife India.........3 yrs annualised volatility 16.38 ......(5 %)

just a note:
"I" may not have the same risk appetite as yours,...so the fund selection and allocation maybe different.
"I" want my portfolio to be able to stay intact when the little storm comes...
these 3 yrs annualised volatility % would have to be updated from time to time
overlapped funds coverage may create havoc to the allocation too...

"I" now want to go sleep....
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QUOTE(David83 @ Oct 26 2016, 08:58 AM)
When I'm about to dump the funds, they're on sales again! sweat.gif
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Yeah, just set the allocation (esp geographical) right, and sleep on your portfolio thumbsup.gif

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QUOTE(David83 @ Oct 26 2016, 08:58 AM)
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Pasir Sungai wub.gif

Yeah, just set the allocation (esp geographical) right, and sleep on your portfolio thumbsup.gif

Stocks...ada apa tipsy? wub.gif
Sikit je ma  yawn.gif
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I told you guys that I wanted to re-balance!
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QUOTE(T231H @ Oct 26 2016, 05:11 AM)
"I" would go with my self imposed guidance......
if
3 yrs annualised volatility <5 (approximates allocation 25%)
3 yrs annualised volatility 5~10 (approximates allocation 20%)
3 yrs annualised volatility 10~12.5 (approximates allocation 15%)
3 yrs annualised volatility 12.5~15 (approximates allocation 10%)
3 yrs annualised volatility > 15 (approximates allocation 5%)

therefore "I" would allocate the allocation as ....

Libra Asnita Bond..........3 yrs annualised volatility 1.06 ...... (25%)
TA Global Technology Fund.........3 yrs annualised volatility 11.52 ...... (15%)
Eastspring Investments Small-Cap Fund..........3 yrs annualised volatility 13.54 ...... (10%)
RHB Asian Income Fund......3 yrs annualised volatility 5.85 ....(20%)
CIMB-P Greater China Equity............3 yrs annualised volatility 15.03 .....(5%)
CIMB-P Asia Pac (ponzi 2.0)..........3 yrs annualised volatility 9.6 ......(20%)
Manulife India.........3 yrs annualised volatility 16.38 ......(5 %)

just a note:
"I" may not have the same risk appetite as yours,...so the fund selection and allocation maybe different.
"I" want my portfolio to be able to stay intact when the little storm comes...
these 3 yrs annualised volatility % would have to be updated from time to time
overlapped funds coverage may create havoc to the allocation too...

"I" now want to go sleep....
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Hi, thanks for your advise.

The portfolio suggested is great to reassure on what i had in mind.
To minimize single-country focused funds while having a diversified asian fund.

However, RHB AIF that have is showing RED only. i guess i just have to stick with it.

Also, having saying to update allocation %, i am looking into doing DCA every quarterly by topping up. Is that advisable?

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QUOTE(andrewkuek91 @ Oct 26 2016, 10:37 AM)
Hi, thanks for your advise.

The portfolio suggested is great to reassure on what i had in mind.
To minimize single-country focused funds while having a diversified asian fund.

However, RHB AIF that have is showing RED only. i guess i just have to stick with it.

Also, having saying to update allocation %, i am looking into doing DCA every quarterly by topping up. Is that advisable?

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May I know how long you have been having RHB AIF ? Was it lump sum invested ?
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May I know how long you have been having RHB AIF ? Was it lump sum invested ?
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Currently got 0.5% sales charge only promotion. I have just invested on:
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CIMB-Principal Asia Pacific Dynamic Income Fund - MYR

With transaction date both on 21st and 24th Oct. Still can refund right? And repurchase again
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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Oct 25 2016, 10:24 PM)
Hold and look for opportunity to topup when chances present themselves like now still topping up KGF and eastspring (haven't topup yet but already allocated some funds for that purpose)
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KGF and Eastspring small cap not on promo, better to go for funds on promo ?
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KGF and Eastspring small cap not on promo, better to go for funds on promo ?
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No promo but I have allocated some money for them (eGIA-i).
Best topup is RHB AIF (some may not agree, some may - up to individual to decide) But since I don't have that, will topup other funds.

When don't drop much, just topup minimum/hold.
When drop drastically, bomb one shot. Regardless who win US election, something will drop biggrin.gif. Promo is still valid until 10/11. Still got time.

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Oct 26 2016, 11:20 AM)
No promo but I have allocated some money for them (eGIA-i).
Best topup is RHB AIF (some may not agree, some may - up to individual to decide) But since I don't have that, will topup other funds.

When don't drop much, just topup minimum/hold.
When drop drastically, bomb one shot. Regardless who win US election, something will drop biggrin.gif. Promo is still valid until 10/11. Still got time.
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You seem very sure of US drop. So how to make money from the predicted drop ? Top up or run away ?
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You seem very sure of US drop. So how to make money from the predicted drop ? Top up or run away ?
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Now? Do nothing. If want to make use of the promo, topup some.
For me, I topup la. You will be holding for min 3 years. Running away only if the fund is not performing or you have no confidence in the market.
I already have my startegy for US election = hold, wait and while waiting topup some AP - not much (make use of promo + slight dip from now until election)

Either one win, something will drop. Question is how much. biggrin.gif

Note: Don't follow me. My way is sesat way. I am still experimenting.

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Just curious, why is there no love for indonesia fund? icon_question.gif
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If you look at only one year data, Indonesia centric fund looks good. But previously I have written at length about my experience of using only one year data to make judgement and it went disastrous (cue: China specific fund).

However, if you look at three year average data, Indonesia risk to reward ratio suxs big time.

The only country specific fund that has very good three years risk to reward ratio at the moment is India fund.

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QUOTE(xuzen @ Oct 26 2016, 11:46 AM)
If you look at only one year data, Indonesia centric fund looks good. But previously I have written at length about my experience of using only one year data to make judgement and it went disastrous (cue: China specific fund).

However, if you look at three year average data, Indonesia risk to reward ratio suxs big time.

The only country specific fund that has very good three years risk to reward ratio at the moment is India fund.

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"short term love" ok la? smile.gif
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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Oct 26 2016, 11:50 AM)
"short term love" ok la? smile.gif
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Do you feel lucky punk?, Well do ya?

On another note, AMAsia Reits seems to be going south, and I wonder why? Could it be a because MYR semakin kuat?


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QUOTE(xuzen @ Oct 26 2016, 11:57 AM)
Do you feel lucky punk?, Well do ya?

On another note, AMAsia Reits seems to be going south, and I wonder why? Could it be a because MYR semakin kuat?
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Something about HK and Singapore property market negative news for the past 1 month +? hmm.gif

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Something about HK and Singapore property market negative news for the past 1 month +? hmm.gif
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singapore economy is slowing down thats for sure and maybe HK is because of the typhoon?


either way I am not phased by it.
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QUOTE(xuzen @ Oct 26 2016, 11:57 AM)

On another note, AMAsia Reits seems to be going south, and I wonder why? Could it be a because MYR semakin kuat?
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REITs normal return is generally single digit. The last 12 months is simply extraordinary. I didn't think it's reasonable to expect double digit in mid-long term basis
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Just purchased my MYR 2000 cash management fund.

Need to force myself to be more proactive in investing
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Actually today would be an-OK day to top up ponzi 2.0.

market is red, ringgit is up.
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May I know how long you have been having RHB AIF ? Was it lump sum invested ?
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Mine is in red too. Went in mid of Aug.
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Mine is in red too. Went in mid of Aug.
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I just looked at the graph.

You are so lucky, sweat.gif from August till now that's when it goes up-down-up-down but averagely flat.
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REITs normal return is generally single digit. The last 12 months is simply extraordinary. I didn't think it's reasonable to expect double digit in mid-long term basis
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Calendar year returns for AmAsia from 2012 to 2015 were:
26.47%, 0.64%, 15.53%, 13.16%

I think this was fueled by property revaluation.
Moving forward, if the nations in which a REIT fund has investments announce rate cuts, it could boost the NAV.
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Rebalance from where to where?
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Mine is in red too. Went in mid of Aug.
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I want to switch out RHB AIF. But there is distribution coming up. What's the impact ? It should just be left-pocket-right-pocket thing right ?


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I want to switch out RHB AIF. But there is distribution coming up. What's the impact ? It should just be left-pocket-right-pocket thing right ?
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I positive with this fund as it was analysed by Sifu Xuzen.

Furthermore it s a balanced fund smile.gif Keep for some years.
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Hearsay num of platinum holders was less than 30.

Really got people invested 750k and above?

I m just a gold holder. Dont knw can reach Platinum or not. Like forever and a day.

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Hearsay num of platinum holders was less than 30.

Really got people invested 750k and above?

I m just a gold holder. Dont knw can reach Platinum or not. Like forever and a day.
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A portfolio is like a cake. there are many ingredients (funds) in the shopping mall but you done your research and all the aunties say that a handful of top notch ingredients will make the cake delicious.

you have selected a good ingredient. you mixed it with the other ingredients you purchased and now you put it in the oven and wait for it to bake.

patience my friend. don't be too hasty in taking out the cake and replacing the ingredient with something else. you may ruin the cake entirely.

time and patience with the knowledge you selected the best funds is key for a successful unit trust investor

how it tastes.. now it all depends on fate.

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QUOTE(prince_mk @ Oct 26 2016, 05:51 PM)
I positive with this fund as it was analysed by Sifu Xuzen.

Furthermore it s a balanced fund smile.gif Keep for some years.
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QUOTE(Avangelice @ Oct 26 2016, 05:56 PM)
A portfolio is like a cake. there are many ingredients (funds)  in the shopping mall but you done your research and all the aunties say that a handful of top notch ingredients will make the cake delicious.

you have selected a good ingredient. you mixed it with the other ingredients you purchased and now you put it in the oven and wait for it to bake.

patience my friend. don't be too hasty in taking out the cake and replacing the ingredient with something else. you may ruin the cake entirely. time and patience with the knowledge you selected the best ingredients.

how it tastes.. now it all depends on fate.
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I say maybe sifu xuzen wet his head already and so he wants other to merry join him. LOL.
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Yup, wet hair already since Apr 2016 exactly half a year ago cool2.gif Quick quick go check how much has the NAV has moved in six months period..... numbers don't lie. bruce.gif

And I can DCA into it from my CMF with a click of my mouse. In the comfort of my air-conditioned office sipping my latte while my servant gives me foot massage while sitting on my lazy chair.

Compare and contrast this with hunting from one bank branch to another driving around town hunting for parking bays, wasting petrol and time looking for some units that may or may not have depending purely on luck. doh.gif

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QUOTE(xuzen @ Oct 26 2016, 06:09 PM)
Yup, wet hair already since Apr 2016 exactly half a year ago  cool2.gif

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Was invited to attend luncheon at Tropicana Gold Resort PJ this coming 5th Nov.
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Argued with my girlfriend as she was coaxed into buying a investment linked insurance plan for 20 years.

I did my calculations and she is paying MYR 474.75 a month for her premiums for 20 years so in total she would have paid myr 103,940. No compounding and return of interest until the 24th year and 150% shall be paid at age 75

So me being the UT guy that i am, I keyed in her amount she will invest in RHB Bond Fund which roi is on average (worst case scenario 6%) at MYR474.75 in a compounding calculator so.....

At the 20th year she would have amassed a total of myr 235,388.

Now i have to do a sales pitch to get her not to buy the plan and sign up for FSM and most likely i may have to open an account under her name and help her invest every month. Dafuq.
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QUOTE(Avangelice @ Oct 26 2016, 07:27 PM)
Argued with my girlfriend as she was coaxed into buying a investment linked insurance plan for 20 years.

I did my calculations and she is paying MYR 474.75 a month for her premiums for 20 years so in total she would have paid myr 103,940. No compounding and return of interest until the 24th year and 150% shall be paid at age 75

So me being the UT guy that i am, I keyed in her amount she will invest in RHB Bond Fund which roi is on average (worst case scenario 6%) at MYR474.75 in a compounding calculator so.....

At the 20th year she would have amassed a total of myr 235,388.

Now i have to do a sales pitch to get her not to buy the plan and sign up for FSM and most likely i may have to open an account under her name and help her invest every month. Dafuq.
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She still got chance to cancel the plan. Second, you should not invest for your GF. Say you invest rm10k for her, then she break up, you lose rm10k just like that. whistling.gif
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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Oct 26 2016, 07:30 PM)
She still got chance to cancel the plan. Second, you should not invest for your GF. Say you invest rm10k for her, then she break up,  you lose rm10k just like that. whistling.gif
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Not my money. Hers. HAHA. I am not an idiot like some of the guys in Kopitiam.

Before the enforcement, we could actually help our parents or wives invest in FSM. Now it is so strict. I understand it is to prevent money laundering. Guess I have to get her to bank in her money into a bank account and use RSP into RHB BOND FUND which is the safest UT i can find.

Unless someone has a better idea how i can make a super conservative portfolio for her.
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Was invited to attend luncheon at Tropicana Gold Resort PJ this coming 5th Nov.
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Looks like every week or every other week, you got makan.
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First of all, an insurance plan and a UTF investment are two separate "investments" that IMHO should not be compared head-to-head. I'm sure you are aware of the pros and cons of both and we should probably not go OT on this here. But in short, UT cannot give u a peace of mind in the short term lest something unfortunate were to happen. On the contrary, if nothing happens and u live till the ripe old age of 75, you'd be cursing you'd ever dumped money into an ILP in the first place. But only God knows what will happen and when. However, a monthly premium of close to 500 bucks is one helluva commitment! The agent sure did his/her job darn well...lol!

Now on to which is the most conservative..if you're looking at the least volatility, I would suggest Anitamui fund. In fact I myself have decided to turn to her instead of RHBIBF, as nothing beats her as a stabiliser of an equity-exposed portfolio. If she is open to a slightly higher volatility with exposure to asiapac bonds and potentially higher returns, go for AH Select Bond. Kindly refer to the linearity of Anitamui fund and 3 yr volatility below

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First of all, an insurance plan and a UTF investment are two separate "investments" that IMHO should not be compared head-to-head. I'm sure you are aware of the pros and cons of both and we should probably not go OT on this here. But in short, UT cannot give u a peace of mind in the short term lest something unfortunate were to happen. On the contrary, if nothing happens and u live till the ripe old age of 75, you'd be cursing you'd ever dumped money into an ILP in the first place. But only God knows what will happen and when. However, a monthly premium of close to 500 bucks is one helluva commitment! The agent sure did his/her job darn well...lol!

Now on to which is the most conservative..if you're looking at the least volatility, I would suggest Anitamui fund. In fact I myself have decided to turn to her instead of RHBIBF, as nothing beats her as a stabiliser of an equity-exposed portfolio. If she is open to a slightly higher volatility with exposure to asiapac bonds and potentially higher returns, go for AH Select Bond. Kindly refer to the linearity of Anitamui fund and 3 yr volatility below

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I was thinking of Anita mui but remembered that there's a annual charge that the fund charges on top of your investment. compared to rhb bond fund and rhb islamic bond fund, they are better no?
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I was thinking of Anita mui but remembered that there's a annual charge that the fund charges on top of your investment. compared to rhb bond fund and rhb islamic bond fund, they are better no?
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AFAIK, the only extra fee not reflected in the NAV itself is the platform fee which is 0.05% (negligible, no?)

Historically, Anitamui is 50% less volatile with 20% lower returns compared to RHB bonds. So if your gf wants something really conservative, anitamui will be my recommendation. However do bear in mind that there are still risks of bond default, interest rates etc. Does she have enough cortisol to cope with watching NAV turn briefly red? Many people can't do that..one way is to ask her NOT to check FSM daily. Do it quarterly instead tongue.gif
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QUOTE(drew86 @ Oct 26 2016, 09:55 PM)
AFAIK, the only extra fee not reflected in the NAV itself is the platform fee which is 0.05% (negligible, no?)

Historically, Anitamui is 50% less volatile with 20% lower returns compared to RHB bonds. So if your gf wants something really conservative, anitamui will be my recommendation. However do bear in mind that there are still risks of bond default, interest rates etc. Does she have enough cortisol to cope with watching NAV turn briefly red? Many people can't do that..one way is to ask her NOT to check FSM daily. Do it quarterly instead tongue.gif
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QUOTE(Avangelice @ Oct 26 2016, 07:27 PM)
Argued with my girlfriend as she was coaxed into buying a investment linked insurance plan for 20 years.

I did my calculations and she is paying MYR 474.75 a month for her premiums for 20 years so in total she would have paid myr 103,940. No compounding and return of interest until the 24th year and 150% shall be paid at age 75

So me being the UT guy that i am, I keyed in her amount she will invest in RHB Bond Fund which roi is on average (worst case scenario 6%) at MYR474.75 in a compounding calculator so.....

At the 20th year she would have amassed a total of myr 235,388.

Now i have to do a sales pitch to get her not to buy the plan and sign up for FSM and most likely i may have to open an account under her name and help her invest every month. Dafuq.
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Give u a homework. Calculate the IRR on her so-called investment linked insurance plan.
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Give u a homework. Calculate the IRR on her so-called investment linked insurance plan.
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I tried doing it but the policy has two situations. one is cash value and another is death which has two different values altogether then there's their different riders and each rider has different dividend....oh wait... that sounds exactly like our excel sheet!

oh lol. got you.
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QUOTE(Avangelice @ Oct 26 2016, 11:19 PM)
I tried doing it but the policy has two situations. one is cash value and another is death which has two different values altogether then there's their different riders and each rider has different dividend....oh wait... that sounds exactly like our excel sheet!

oh lol. got you.
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U know who to put as policy beneficiary brows.gif devil.gif laugh.gif

Aiyo, what riders your GF gonna add in? She/u should know mar...

Put in the cash inflows (i.e. your payments)
Put in the surrender value at maturity (take the average of optimistic projection and minimum projection)
U get your IRR.

Of course, if u wanna maximise IRR... innocent.gif
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QUOTE(Avangelice @ Oct 26 2016, 11:19 PM)
I tried doing it but the policy has two situations. one is cash value and another is death which has two different values altogether then there's their different riders and each rider has different dividend....oh wait... that sounds exactly like our excel sheet!

oh lol. got you.
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Bro, do us a favor...
Find out the premium of a term plan with similar death coverage. It should be cheaper than an investment-link plan.

Let's say the premium is P, so the money saved is:
474.75 - P

Now, assume your gf invests this amount (474.75 - P) in UTF. What would be the value of her investment when she is 75 - assuming various IRR.

Please put all these in a post as I want to take a screen shot...

Edit:
Term is until your kids are independent.

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QUOTE(river.sand @ Oct 27 2016, 09:28 AM)
Bro, do us a favor...
Find out the premium of a term plan with similar death coverage. It should be cheaper than an investment-link plan.

Let's say the premium is P, so the money saved is:
474.75 - P

Now, assume your gf invests this amount (474.75 - P) in UTF. What would be the value of her investment when she is 75 - assuming various IRR.

Please put all these in a post as I want to take a screen shot...
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A few factors that I think this comparison will turn out in favour of "buy term, invest the rest":
- sales charge/commission (insurance companies 5%+/- vs FSM 0-2%)
- premium allocation rate (your agent's commission)


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Want to ask:

If RHB AIF for whatever reason no longer is favoured and another fund is the flavour of the month, what will you all do?

I mean, now we know that the market is volatile and a lot of pure equity may be too volatile for our current liking, what if the market as a whole turnaround and pure equity fund becomes de'riguer again?

What would you do?

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On another note, AMAsia Reits seems to be going south, and I wonder why? Could it be a because MYR semakin kuat?
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So what's the conclusion? Forget about AIF and Amasia REITs and head back to APDI (aka Ponzi 2.0) where the returns are?

Edited to a more familiar nickname to the fund

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So what's the conclusion? Forget about AIF and Amasia REITs and head back to APDI where the returns are?
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Haha. I thought it's Asia Pacific Dynasty India.

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Haha. I thought it's Asia Pacific Dynasty India.
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Haha. I thought it's Asia Pacific Dynasty India.
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All seem to know ponzi2 instead
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LYN FSM group favoured mamak fund is Manulife India la tongue.gif
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So we have a new nick. Mamak Fund?
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So we have a new nick. Mamak Fund?
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Somebody named Ponzi 2.0 as Dynamite Fund.
Won't that be labelled as terrorist?
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Somebody named Ponzi 2.0 as Dynamite Fund.
Won't that be labelled as terrorist?
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So what's the conclusion? Forget about AIF and Amasia REITs and head back to APDI (aka Ponzi 2.0) where the returns are?

Edited to a more familiar nickname to the fund
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Nobody seem to respond to your concern.

I guess those invested in whatever fund they invested, they continue to hold them. Still hold hopes in them.

Recently there have more red than green in the world stock market.

Not sure if it is an indication of storm is coming.


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Nobody seem to respond to your concern.

I guess those invested in whatever fund they invested, they continue to hold them. Still hold hopes in them.

Recently there have more red than green in the world stock market.

Not sure if it is an indication of storm is coming.
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So better wait before going in now, even with the currrent promotion?
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So what's the conclusion? Forget about AIF and Amasia REITs and head back to APDI (aka Ponzi 2.0) where the returns are?

Edited to a more familiar nickname to the fund
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Gradually investing Ponzi 1.0, Ponzi 2.0 and AmAsia smile.gif
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QUOTE(puchongite @ Oct 27 2016, 11:23 AM)
Nobody seem to respond to your concern.
I guess those invested in whatever fund they invested, they continue to hold them. Still hold hopes in them.
Recently there have more red than green in the world stock market.
Not sure if it is an indication of storm is coming.
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I have this fund, AmAsia REITs, for me storm/no storm green/red, i just want to have some exposure in REITs, not trying to catch em all, this is my only sector fund, i believe every market will have its time to flourish, since we dont know when is that time i dont want to lose when the time comes wink.gif well it might not come too, so the the best i can do is just play with the % allocation to suit my risk appetite, currently is at +-5% in my portfolio,
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QUOTE(yeowhock @ Oct 27 2016, 12:07 PM)
I have this fund, AmAsia REITs, for me storm/no storm green/red, i just want to have some exposure in REITs, not trying to catch em all, this is my only sector fund, i believe every market will have its time to flourish, since we dont know when is that time i dont want to lose when the time comes wink.gif well it might not come too, so the the best i can do is just play with the % allocation to suit my risk appetite, currently is at +-5% in my portfolio,
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i agree. and i have 9% in reits biggrin.gif

Amasia REIT is the no.3 best performing fund in my portfolio at +25.4%.
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So we have a new nick. Mamak Fund?
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I have been monitoring CIMB principal Greater china equity fund and would like to ask anyone's feelings on the future of China's economy?

Would the wounded dragon finally wake up or will it be having another relapse all over again?
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i agree. and i have 9% in reits  biggrin.gif

Amasia REIT is the no.3 best performing fund in my portfolio at +25.4%.
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Great accomplishment you have! No 3 already +25.4%.
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I propose:
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I moot this proposal.

India is the next darling of the Ut world.

Tagging xuxen
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I have been monitoring CIMB principal Greater china equity fund and would like to ask anyone's feelings on the future of China's economy?

Would the wounded dragon finally wake up or will it be having another relapse all over again?
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Have been performing extremely well but question is whether it is already too late to enter now as we know it has high volatility.
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QUOTE(puchongite @ Oct 27 2016, 02:38 PM)
Have been performing extremely well but question is whether it is already too late to enter now as we know it has high volatility.
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Oh yeah I came across this article

www.forbes.com/sites/panosmourdoukoutas/2016/10/26/why-india-is-a-better-investment-bet-than-china/#444e8e64426b

Looks like brother xuxen was right over India.

And this

www.chinadaily.com.cn/business/2016-10/26/content_27175994.htm

www.wsj.com/articles/chinas-tech-sector-is-underestimated-venture-investors-say-1477507270

Summary

Invest in tech and health care within China. Avoid property at all cost

I did a little reading in the prospectus of cimb greater china

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Oh yeah I came across this article

www.forbes.com/sites/panosmourdoukoutas/2016/10/26/why-india-is-a-better-investment-bet-than-china/#444e8e64426b

Looks like brother xuxen was right over India.

And this

www.chinadaily.com.cn/business/2016-10/26/content_27175994.htm

www.wsj.com/articles/chinas-tech-sector-is-underestimated-venture-investors-say-1477507270

Summary

Invest in tech and health care  within China. Avoid property at all cost
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I am right with TA Tech bruce.gif

I am right with RHB AIF bruce.gif

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I am right with India. bruce.gif

I am right with TA Tech bruce.gif

I am right with RHB AIF  bruce.gif

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QUOTE(xuzen @ Oct 27 2016, 02:53 PM)
I am right with India. bruce.gif

I am right with TA Tech bruce.gif

I am right with RHB AIF  bruce.gif

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I agree. focus on tech. India and Asia ex Japan for the time being.

as for China I will wait till the first quarter of 2017 and consider it again
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Great accomplishment you have! No 3 already +25.4%.
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I am right with India. bruce.gif

I am right with TA Tech bruce.gif

I am right with RHB AIF  bruce.gif

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QUOTE(pisces88 @ Oct 27 2016, 01:51 PM)
i agree. and i have 9% in reits  biggrin.gif

Amasia REIT is the no.3 best performing fund in my portfolio at +25.4%.
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Annualized?
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Annualized?
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If annualized, I throw all my other investment 100% dump into AmAsia REIT.
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Actually if you stay put your investment in the cimb dragon, wouldnt both china and india fund perform similarly within 2 years?
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Annualized?
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i dont have the exact number, but annualized will be around 8-12%. i've stayed invested in AMasia reits for roughly 2.5 years. monthly dca.
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i dont have the exact number, but annualized will be around 8-12%. i've stayed invested in AMasia reits for roughly 2.5 years. monthly dca.
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QUOTE(yeowhock @ Oct 27 2016, 05:04 PM)
I remember I almost bought this fund somewhere around early 2015, i dont know what stop me from getting it, only decided to buy in April this year  bangwall.gif  bangwall.gif  bangwall.gif now ROI only 1.56%
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want to ask that the date beside signature is the date when I submit the form or?

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this cash management fund is really handy. yesterday around 2pm I think or was it 3pm I purchased it and the next day it appears in my account. no more paranoia that my fund didn't go through because of a glitch.

cum dividend end of the month I'm gonna huat RHB AIF using cash management fund. not something I normally do but how often do you have

-a highly recommended fund in fsm articles both in HK and Mal (Asia ex Japan looking at 40% increase)

-sales discount

-dividend within the promotion time.

if that's not fate I don't know what it is.

(ps I am still keeping rhb AIF 20% of my portfolio allocation)

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QUOTE(Avangelice @ Oct 27 2016, 09:49 PM)
this cash management fund is really handy. yesterday around 2pm I think or was it 3pm I purchased it and the next day it appears in my account. no more paranoia that my fund didn't go through because of a glitch.

cum dividend end of the month I'm gonna huat RHB AIF using cash management fund. not something I normally do but how often do you have

-a highly recommended fund in fsm articles both in HK and Mal (Asia ex Japan looking at 40% increase)

-sales discount

-dividend within the promotion time.

if that's not fate I don't know what it is.

(ps I am still keeping rhb AIF 20% of my portfolio allocation)
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today's RHB AIF decline was because of the dividend distribution?
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today's RHB AIF decline was because of the dividend distribution?
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Both price drop and distribution. Distribution alone is only .00065.

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today's RHB AIF decline was because of the dividend distribution?
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check the incoming dividend on fsm page. it states it will happen end of the month. 26th of Oct
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Both price drop and distribution. Distribution alone is only .00065.
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distribution not yet announced bro.
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today's RHB AIF decline was because of the dividend distribution?
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2 bad days for asia pacific market. Which is rclxm9.gif

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distribution not yet announced bro.
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Announced dy bro

EDIT: After distribution, NAV actually goes up by 0.0002 in performance laugh.gif

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Announced dy bro

EDIT: After distribution, NAV actually goes up by 0.0002 in performance  laugh.gif
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wait today is 26th??????

wtf I thought today is 15th October Fuck!!!!!

how can I lose track of time

I'm so disturbed now.

I see fsm and it says 26th October yet I always think 26th is so far away and today is the middle of October. wtf.

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wait today is 26th??????

wtf I thought today is 15th November. Fuck!!!!!

how can I lose track of time

I'm so disturbed now.

I see fsm and it says 26th October yet I always think 26th is so far away and today is the middle of October. wtf.
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Is yesterday's price laugh.gif

Today 27th

That's a bit awkward sweat.gif

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Is yesterday's price laugh.gif

Today 27th

That's a bit awkward  sweat.gif
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WTB > Shariah compliant India fund

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You can use the fund selector to filter based on your criteria smile.gif

EDIT : Or if you want to have a personal touch to ask, kindly use the live help service in the FSM website or ask FSM CIS, they can provide you better details smile.gif

EDIT EDIT : This is a DIY and learning platform, kindly ask in a suggesting manner instead of an instructive manner to better promote to a more friendly discussion smile.gif

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You do know FSM is a DIY platform. Nobody is going to offer you a UT.
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To reply to your response, yes and yes. I wasn't being serious.

QUOTE(AIYH @ Oct 27 2016, 11:28 PM)
You can use the fund selector to filter based on your criteria smile.gif

EDIT : Or if you want to have a personal touch to ask, kindly use the live help service in the FSM website or ask FSM CIS, they can provide you better details smile.gif
Yes, I did exactly that. Multiple times before. Dont worry, I wasn't being serious when I posted that.


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Well fxxk me, maybe its my fault for failing to highlight the not-being-serious tone in my previous post. Oh well.

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To reply to your response, yes and yes. I wasn't being serious.
Yes, I did exactly that. Multiple times before. Dont worry, I wasn't being serious when I posted that.
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Well fxxk me, maybe its my fault for failing to highlight the not-being-serious tone in my previous post. Oh well.
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Sry kinda misunderstand your post laugh.gif

Do you know any such fund, may be you can suggest them to FSM for them to bring over? smile.gif

AFAIK shariah compliance UT dont share as much geographical focus and diversity as the conventional counterpart innocent.gif

Not sure is it sensitive to ask, but is shariah compliance a vital criteria for your investment consideration? smile.gif

With the recent shariah EPF category, hopefully there are more shariah compliance investment opportunities emerge for those who seek them smile.gif
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To reply to your response, yes and yes. I wasn't being serious.
Yes, I did exactly that. Multiple times before. Dont worry, I wasn't being serious when I posted that.
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Well fxxk me, maybe its my fault for failing to highlight the not-being-serious tone in my previous post. Oh well.
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lol...need to pardon us because you are no regular here. Be here long enough and you will level up to the point whatever you say will be considered with a pinch of salt.
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QUOTE(AIYH @ Oct 27 2016, 11:49 PM)
Sry kinda misunderstand your post laugh.gif

Do you know any such fund, may be you can suggest them to FSM for them to bring over? smile.gif

AFAIK shariah compliance UT dont share as much geographical focus and diversity as the conventional counterpart  innocent.gif

Not sure is it sensitive to ask, but is shariah compliance a vital criteria for your investment consideration? smile.gif

With the recent shariah EPF category, hopefully there are more shariah compliance investment opportunities emerge for those who seek them smile.gif
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1. Yes, I was looking. Im gonna keep looking smile.gif

2. You're correct, hence I'm a little bit frustrated that we dont have much choice in terms of diversification. But now we have Shariah APAC, China, Developed Market and Precious Metal so I think thats a good start. Another category I would appreciate is Shariah High Yield (Bonds).

3. Nah its not at all a sensitive topic to me. And yes I make sure all my funds are shariah compliant. I also pay zakat (islamic version of tax) annually on my FSM profit and holdings. If the profit exceeds a certain amount I have to pay 2.5% of the profit.

4. Yes thanks EPF rclxms.gif

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lol...need to pardon us because you are no regular here. Be here long enough and you will level up to the point whatever you say will be considered with a pinch of salt.
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No worries. I understand.

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This thread is slow today so Im going to keep it going by sharing my top up for today

TA Global 300myr
RHB AIF 500myr
AmAsia REIT 200myr.

I'll do another top up around the 8th November. still standing on the fence whether to jump back into Ponzi 2.0. I let it go back in March

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I just topped up Kenanga APTRF yesterday. LOL
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I am surprised. Why KAPTRF instead of Ponzi 2.0 ? confused.gif
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I am surprised. Why KAPTRF instead of Ponzi 2.0 ?  confused.gif
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I sold off Ponzi 2 few months back.
I got this fund in my PRS portfolio.
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I sold off Ponzi 2 few months back.
I got this fund in my PRS portfolio.
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same here. it feels counter intuitive that you sell it at a lost and after a few months you buy it back because everyone buys it
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I sold off Ponzi 2 few months back.
I got this fund in my PRS portfolio.
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In other words, if it is a cash investment you will have different decision ?
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In other words, if it is a cash investment you will have different decision ?
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You can say so.
In here, I think I have the most Asia ex Japan funds in my portfolio. LOL
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RHB AIF: MYR 1,000.00

AmAsia REIT: MYR 4,000.00.


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QUOTE(xuzen @ Oct 28 2016, 03:21 PM)
RHB AIF: MYR 1,000.00

AmAsia REIT: MYR 4,000.00.
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Wow. Feeling good on REITS? hmm.gif

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QUOTE(xuzen @ Oct 28 2016, 03:21 PM)
RHB AIF: MYR 1,000.00

AmAsia REIT: MYR 4,000.00.
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ish.... I need to work harder.

QUOTE(Ramjade @ Oct 28 2016, 03:22 PM)
Wow. Feeling good on REITS? hmm.gif
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yes I have a good feeling properties will boom in Asia it just needs time. also you may want to cross check stocks like sunreit. it's the next darling of REIT in Malaysia
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topped up :

ponzi 1
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lol didn't know everyone was topping up today. good timing eh
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ish.... I need to work harder.
yes I have a good feeling properties will boom in Asia it just needs time. also you may want to cross check stocks like sunreit. it's the next darling of REIT in Malaysia
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Somehow I think the reits have yet to hit the bottom. It have been dropping for a while.

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lol didn't know everyone was topping up today. good timing eh
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I topup on 24, 26, 27, 28. small amount spread over days as AP was dropping. Small amount each time and different funds. :lol:Keeping for US election.

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Oct 28 2016, 03:35 PM)
Somehow I think the reits have yet to hit the bottom.
I topup on 24, 26, 27, 28. small amount spread over days as AP was dropping. Small amount each time and different funds. :lol:Keeping for US election.
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I got a feeling Hillary will win and if she does we won't have to worry as she is more open to foreign trading than trump. nothing will change and the Fed will hike for sure so better to start topping up TA Global and titans if it's still your thing
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QUOTE(Avangelice @ Oct 28 2016, 03:37 PM)
I got a feeling Hillary will win and if she does we won't have to worry as she is more open to foreign trading than trump. nothing will change and the Fed will hike for sure so better to start topping up TA Global and titans if it's still your thing
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You are forgetting if she wins, india will drop. devil.gif (very short period to buy in), everything status quo.
If trump win, india will shoot up and everything else drop.

Well just my prediction.

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Clinton VS Trump – Does It Really Matter?
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Do U.S. elections affect global markets?
https://secure.fundsupermart.com/main/artic...-markets--11994

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You are forgetting if she wins, india will drop. devil.gif
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lol. theres always Russia and China. I have a feeling people will start to look to the east for trading and once China becomes the biggest consumer and exporter on the planet nobody would want to trade with US. I'm betting on it in this life time. Getting tired of Us dirty politics and its military killing innocents
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Clinton VS Trump – Does It Really Matter?
https://secure.fundsupermart.com/main/artic...1-Oct-16--11993

Do U.S. elections affect global markets?
https://secure.fundsupermart.com/main/artic...-markets--11994
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here in FSM we are not political analysis.

touche. touche
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QUOTE(T231H @ Oct 28 2016, 03:39 PM)
Clinton VS Trump – Does It Really Matter?
https://secure.fundsupermart.com/main/artic...1-Oct-16--11993

Do U.S. elections affect global markets?
https://secure.fundsupermart.com/main/artic...-markets--11994
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FSM (first article) seems to think the US market upside is little. Just concentrate on Asia and EM wor ....
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FSM (first article) seems to think the US market upside is little. Just concentrate on Asia and EM wor ....
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Dunno how many times I have to repeat this...

When US sneezes, Asia will have fever
When US have fever, Asia will get a stroke

This is based on my observation and experience lar... tongue.gif
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Wow. Feeling good on REITS? hmm.gif
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No lar! Just putting my money where my mouth is. Takut nanti people say tok kok only.

If Algozen™ suggestion go Holland, we all go holiday kat Holland together-gether! rclxms.gif rclxms.gif rclxms.gif

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Oct 28 2016, 03:57 PM)
Dunno how many times I have to repeat this...

When US sneezes, Asia will have fever
When US have fever, Asia will get a stroke

This is based on my observation and experience lar... tongue.gif
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Okay lar agree with you ! rclxms.gif
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Okay lar agree with you !  rclxms.gif
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Hence don't ever forget to include some Developed Markets equity in your portfolio, IMHO you need AT LEAST 25% exposure to those.
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Hence don't ever forget to include some Developed Markets equity in your portfolio, IMHO you need AT LEAST 25% exposure to those.
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i've finally moved NEARLY 50% of my equities over-the-sea (and causeway tongue.gif ).
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Walao, everyone is making a move today. Then I also have to share my "trading" info from this morning. biggrin.gif

1. Switched the excess profits from Ponzi 2 into CIMB Global Titans (top up).
2. Switched from TA Dana Afif into TA Global Technology and TA European Equity Funds (buying back these 2 new unit trusts as part of my portfolio)
3. Bought Eastspring Bond Fund (to switch later into Eastspring Global Leaders Fund).
4. Topped up RHB Small Cap Opportunity Unit Trust and RHB Asian Income Fund.
5. Bought RHB Asian Total Return Fund (buying back this new fund as part of my portfolio).

That's it folks. My 'minor' transactions for today. tongue.gif


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QUOTE(Vanguard 2015 @ Oct 28 2016, 04:51 PM)
Walao, everyone is making a move today. Then I also have to share my "trading" info from this morning.  biggrin.gif

1.  Switched the excess profits from Ponzi 2 into CIMB Global Titans (top up).
2.  Switched from TA Dana Afif into TA Global Technology and TA European Equity Funds (buying back these 2 new unit trusts as part of my portfolio)
3.  Bought Eastspring Bond Fund (to switch later into Eastspring Global Leaders Fund).
4.  Topped up RHB Small Cap Opportunity Unit Trust and RHB Asian Income Fund.
5.  Bought RHB Asian Total Return Fund (buying back this new fund as part of my portfolio).

That's it folks. My 'minor' transactions for today.    tongue.gif
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when was your last portfolio reformat? that's a huge overhaul. what made you do that?
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QUOTE(xuzen @ Oct 28 2016, 03:59 PM)
No lar! Just putting my money where my mouth is. Takut nanti people say tok kok only.

If Algozen™ suggestion go Holland, we all go holiday kat Holland together-gether!  rclxms.gif  rclxms.gif  rclxms.gif

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Dont go Holland so fast. I m just going in wor
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Hi all, im very new in ut. Can suggest me good blog or website for ut dummies like me?

Such as how to choose a fund? Does annualised return is a good indicator? What other indicators? Can i use lippers or morningstar as a reference?

Coz when I look at certain fund, on paper the return is not that good but many utc promote that fund.
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Hi all, im very new in ut. Can suggest me good blog or website for ut dummies like me?

Such as how to choose a fund? Does annualised return is a good indicator? What other indicators? Can i use lippers or morningstar as a reference?

Coz when I look at certain fund, on paper the return is not that good but many utc promote that fund.
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Walao, everyone is making a move today. Then I also have to share my "trading" info from this morning.  biggrin.gif

1.  Switched the excess profits from Ponzi 2 into CIMB Global Titans (top up).
2.  Switched from TA Dana Afif into TA Global Technology and TA European Equity Funds (buying back these 2 new unit trusts as part of my portfolio)
3.  Bought Eastspring Bond Fund (to switch later into Eastspring Global Leaders Fund).
4.  Topped up RHB Small Cap Opportunity Unit Trust and RHB Asian Income Fund.
5.  Bought RHB Asian Total Return Fund (buying back this new fund as part of my portfolio).

That's it folks. My 'minor' transactions for today.    tongue.gif
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when was your last portfolio reformat? that's a huge overhaul. what made you do that?
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Eh, no overhaul. My existing portfolio is still the same. It is just that I added a few more funds into the portfolio for "diversification" purpose because my exposure to developed markets and international bond is not enough.

I am too heavy now in Malaysia equity and bond funds and Asia Pacific equity funds.

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KR4ZY meh? Ver 1 to 16?

I want the maggi mee ™ version! Cepat dimasak, sedan dimakan!

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KR4ZY meh? Ver 1 to 16?

I want the maggi mee ™ version! Cepat dimasak, sedan dimakan!

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Yeah maggi mee version is :-

Ask dumb questions here and get scolding by the Sifus here. devil.gif
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Hi all, im very new in ut. Can suggest me good blog or website for ut dummies like me?

Such as how to choose a fund? Does annualised return is a good indicator? What other indicators? Can i use lippers or morningstar as a reference?

Coz when I look at certain fund, on paper the return is not that good but many utc promote that fund.
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annualized not a good indicator ya. in certain year the fund may outperform, then slump. but annualized might make it look good on paper.

a good start will be to decide how many % you wanna go into equities (high risk), balanced, or bond funds. high risk high return. depends how old you are, and your risk appetite biggrin.gif

im curious, which fund are you talking about which was promoted by many UTC? smile.gif
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KR4ZY meh? Ver 1 to 16?

I want the maggi mee ™ version! Cepat dimasak, sedan dimakan!

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Yeah maggi mee version is :-

Ask dumb questions here and get scolding by the Sifus here.  devil.gif
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believe me or not I gained experience in FSM from all those threads you guys made and from there I charted the ups and downs, mistakes and success, see who's school of thought in investing is the most logical and of course to see who's the troll amongst the big fish.

or subsequently to cut short the bullshit just copy paste xuzen or pinkspider portfolio kao kao not
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Last night got nothing better to do so I did some quick calculation and found out that if one were to put in Malaysia ringgit one thousand in ASM2020 for ten years without adding nor withdrawing and let the dividend compounded, one would get six point nought six percent annualized return for the whole duration of ten years.
At the end of ten years the one thousand ringgit became MYR 1,801.01.

To give one a perspective, if one were to put in Malaysian ringgit one thousand into FSM LYN perennial favourite Malaysia centric UTF, that is, KGF, the annualized return is seventeen percent. At the end of ten years, that initial one thousand ringgit would have become MYR 4,806.83. This is almost a three fold increase in return.

Taking calculated risk pays off.

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QUOTE(pisces88 @ Oct 28 2016, 05:49 PM)
annualized not a good indicator ya. in certain year the fund may outperform, then slump. but annualized might make it look good on paper.

a good start will be to decide how many % you wanna go into equities (high risk), balanced, or bond funds. high risk high return. depends how old you are, and your risk appetite  biggrin.gif

im curious, which fund are you talking about which was promoted by many UTC?  smile.gif
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It like their hot selling fund. For eg public mutual will always promote small cap, cwa with dali and dali 2, rhb with smart treasure and smart balance. If i ask those phillip mutual agents they will promote kenanga and eastspring. Im a bit concern about shariah hence all the shariah funds

So you mean the right way is set a target and goal then only look for funds? Not just pick those funds with high annualised and invest in it?
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It like their hot selling fund. For eg public mutual will always promote small cap, cwa with dali and dali 2, rhb with smart treasure and smart balance. If i ask those phillip mutual agents they will promote kenanga and eastspring. Im a bit concern about shariah hence all the shariah funds

So you mean the right way is set a target and goal then only look for funds? Not just pick those funds with high annualised and invest in it?
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I would suggest not listening to agents where the first thing on their mind is to get commissions off you and not putting your portfolio first.

many members here have lost money because of this
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It like their hot selling fund. For eg public mutual will always promote small cap, cwa with dali and dali 2, rhb with smart treasure and smart balance. If i ask those phillip mutual agents they will promote kenanga and eastspring. Im a bit concern about shariah hence all the shariah funds

So you mean the right way is set a target and goal then only look for funds? Not just pick those funds with high annualised and invest in it?
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You can forget about public mutual. Not performing when compare to it's peers.

Rhb malaysian funds are ok I guess except that they are sort of lazy to build their own portfolio. Thry sort of copy paste each other. So if a smallcap scandal happen again like in August, expect history to repeat itself. Unless of course they learnt their lesson. Some of their international funds look very tempting. drool.gif

For kenanga, the only good fund is their flagship fund; Kenanga Growth Fund (KGF).Eastspring is good for their smallcap fund. But since KGF do invest in smallcap sectors, it might be overlap.

So you are looking for shariah approved funds or non shariah funds?

The right way, is ask yourself, how much can you lose the money. Can you lose 15% and shugged it off? After that, split into different country/regions. Yeah. Next, determine how much bond fund you want to hold (to make your holdings suffer less loses). Determine you want bond funds in malaysia or out of malaysia. Then, determine you want to auto debit small amouny every month into your fund of choice or wait for pocket of opportunities then lump sum in.

Next come the fun part. Which fund should you choose. Choose performing fund for past 3 years. That's just some of the criteria as past is not guaranteed of current and future performance (eg. KGF perform very well but because KLSE is bad, KGF cannot perform as good as last time. But the fund manager is good)
1) buy everything that's making money covering every part of the world.
2) stick with 5-7 funds only.

For me, I am not holding any bond fund and I don't auto debit monthly and I will hold only 6 funds + maybe 1 bond fund (future wise). I choose max 6 funds as that leaves me with more money to cover all 6 funds. My way is the sesat way so please don't follow me. I topup whenever something drop in price. Follow the xuzen way.

Everybody have their own way as long as you are comfortable with it. icon_rolleyes.gif

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QUOTE(xuzen @ Oct 28 2016, 06:50 PM)
Last night got nothing better to do so I did some quick calculation and found out that if one were to put in Malaysia ringgit one thousand in ASM2020 for ten years without adding nor withdrawing and let the dividend compounded, one would get six point nought six percent annualized return for the whole duration of ten years.
At the end of ten years the one thousand ringgit became MYR 1,801.01.

To give one a perspective, if one were to put in Malaysian ringgit one thousand into FSM LYN perennial favourite Malaysia centric UTF, that is, KGF, the annualized return is seventeen percent. At the end of ten years, that initial one thousand ringgit would have become MYR 4,806.83. This is almost a three fold increase in return.

Taking calculated risk pays off.

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really kah boss?

then I got to cash out some from Asx and put in KGF. But I m heavy in KGF and EISC ard 50% of my portfolio.

so how ?
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believe me or not I gained experience in FSM from all those threads you guys made and from there I charted the ups and downs, mistakes and success, see who's school of thought in investing  is the most logical and of course to see who's the troll amongst the big fish.

or subsequently to cut short the bullshit just copy paste xuzen or pinkspider portfolio kao kao not
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alrdy bullish on their portfolio since few mths ago.

but don't bullish blindly 100%. make your judgement and decision wisely too. our hard earn money.
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called up FSM office today. was allowed to switch frm Affin Aiman PRS to Kenanga PRS but with penalty of RM25.
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QUOTE(xuzen @ Oct 28 2016, 06:50 PM)
Last night got nothing better to do so I did some quick calculation and found out that if one were to put in Malaysia ringgit one thousand in ASM2020 for ten years without adding nor withdrawing and let the dividend compounded, one would get six point nought six percent annualized return for the whole duration of ten years.
At the end of ten years the one thousand ringgit became MYR 1,801.01.

To give one a perspective, if one were to put in Malaysian ringgit one thousand into FSM LYN perennial favourite Malaysia centric UTF, that is, KGF, the annualized return is seventeen percent. At the end of ten years, that initial one thousand ringgit would have become MYR 4,806.83. This is almost a three fold increase in return.

Taking calculated risk pays off.

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Hmm interesting findings rclxms.gif
So basically we needs to move from ASW to KGF asap devil.gif
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Hi all, im very new in ut. Can suggest me good blog or website for ut dummies like me?

Such as how to choose a fund? Does annualised return is a good indicator? What other indicators? Can i use lippers or morningstar as a reference?

Coz when I look at certain fund, on paper the return is not that good but many utc promote that fund.
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Q: Can suggest me good blog or website for ut dummies like me?
A: try to read ALL the articles in this links...
"If you're a novice investor -- or you're looking to brush up on a specific investing concept -- this is the place to start. We've tailored this section to give you the investment foundation that you need. 
We believe it is important that you first acquire this knowledge, because only then would you be able to take charge of your own financial planning and be great at managing your financial wealth. 
Those of us here at Fundsupermart believe passionately that unit trusts are the best investment instruments to help achieve our long term financial goals. So here, we'll show you the basics of financial planning, tutor you on the finer points of unit trust investing, and help you make better investment decisions!  "
https://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/school/school.svdo

Q: Does annualised return is a good indicator? What other indicators? Can i use lippers or morningstar as a reference?
A: rclxms.gif follow as advise by pisces88
QUOTE(pisces88 @ Oct 28 2016, 05:49 PM)
annualized not a good indicator ya. in certain year the fund may outperform, then slump. but annualized might make it look good on paper.

a good start will be to decide how many % you wanna go into equities (high risk), balanced, or bond funds. high risk high return. depends how old you are, and your risk appetite  biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(kazekage_09 @ Oct 28 2016, 07:04 PM)
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So you mean the right way is set a target and goal then only look for funds? Not just pick those funds with high annualised and invest in it?
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Different investments come with different levels of risks and investors need to understand and know the risks that they can stomach given the circumstances that they are in before making a decision on what to invest. We explain how Fundsupermart.com Risk Rating can help investors to identify which unit trusts suit their risk appetite.
https://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/resea...-May-2015--5825

additional consideration ......
A popular topic which arises frequently when we talk to investors is the notion of a “best fund” or “best market”. Also, upon further probing, the meaning of “best” is usually simplified to some measure of historical performance over a particular period. Anecdotal evidence suggests a healthy correlation exists between funds which appear on the “top performing funds” list and funds which are selling well, an indication that investors tend to place a lot of emphasis on a product’s track record. Is such an investment approach akin to driving a car by looking in the rear-view mirror?
https://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/resea...gust-2015--6172


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Hmm interesting findings rclxms.gif
So basically we needs to move from ASW to KGF asap devil.gif
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really kah boss?

then I got to cash out some from Asx and put in KGF. But I m heavy in KGF and EISC ard 50% of my portfolio.

so how ?
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Let's look at this objectively.

You are already heavy in KGF and Kap-chai UTF, both that are Malaysia centric. ASX FP UTF is also Malaysian stock market centric. If that is the case, you are what the finance professional termed "Concentration risk". Too much of a good thing can also be bad.

You may want to consider diversifying away from Malaysia exposure.

Lately we have been talking about foreign exposed UTF in this thread. You will know which one to go for. No need for me to repeat.

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QUOTE(xuzen @ Oct 28 2016, 08:39 PM)
Let's look at this objectively.

You are already heavy in KGF and Kap-chai UTF, both that are Malaysia centric. ASX FP UTF is also Malaysian stock market centric. If that is the case, you are what the finance professional termed "Concentration risk". Too much of a good thing can also be bad.

You may want to consider diversifying away from Malaysia exposure.

Lately we have been talking about foreign exposed UTF in this thread. You will know which one to go for. No need for me to repeat.

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time to go for Asia Ex Japan smile.gif as promoted in the FSM website. 40% upside by the end of 2018.

thanks Sifu Xuzen.
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QUOTE(xuzen @ Oct 28 2016, 08:39 PM)
Let's look at this objectively.

You are already heavy in KGF and Kap-chai UTF, both that are Malaysia centric. ASX FP UTF is also Malaysian stock market centric. If that is the case, you are what the finance professional termed "Concentration risk". Too much of a good thing can also be bad.

You may want to consider diversifying away from Malaysia exposure.

Lately we have been talking about foreign exposed UTF in this thread. You will know which one to go for. No need for me to repeat.

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in short.

your ASx, kenanga and kapcap are over lapping funds essentially

diversify diversify diversify.
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in short.

your ASx, kenanga and kapcap are over lapping funds essentially

diversify diversify diversify.
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ok boss. time to diversify. lately I alrdy bought Titan alrdy. will do more balancing in b4 year end.

but sayang to sell my EISCF. tongue.gif

thanks again.

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QUOTE(kazekage_09 @ Oct 28 2016, 07:04 PM)
It like their hot selling fund. For eg public mutual will always promote small cap, cwa with dali and dali 2, rhb with smart treasure and smart balance. If i ask those phillip mutual agents they will promote kenanga and eastspring. Im a bit concern about shariah hence all the shariah funds

So you mean the right way is set a target and goal then only look for funds? Not just pick those funds with high annualised and invest in it?
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that is a No No. biggrin.gif i think there's many post advising what you should do already. icon_rolleyes.gif
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QUOTE(prince_mk @ Oct 28 2016, 08:54 PM)
ok boss. time to diversify. lately I alrdy bought Titan alrdy. will do more balancing in b4 year end.

but sayang to sell my EISCF. tongue.gif

thanks again.
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just keep kap chai la bro. don't be like me. I see not good I go switch 6 months the road the fund NAV goes up. I kept shooting myself in the foot and this ain't the first.

first was ponzi 2.0
then it was Titanic

from there I learnt not to follow other people and keep rolling on ahead

keep it there and divert your investment somewhere else.
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just keep kap chai la bro. don't be like me. I see not good I go switch 6 months the road the fund NAV goes up. I kept shooting myself in the foot and this ain't the first.

first was ponzi 2.0
then it was Titanic

from there I learnt not to follow other people and keep rolling on ahead

keep it there and divert your investment somewhere else.
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Planning to drop ponzi 2.0 this year end and restart it fresh next year into its PRS counterpart smile.gif
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Planning to drop ponzi 2.0 this year end and restart it fresh next year into its PRS counterpart smile.gif
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just keep kap chai la bro. don't be like me. I see not good I go switch 6 months the road the fund NAV goes up. I kept shooting myself in the foot and this ain't the first.

first was ponzi 2.0
then it was Titanic

from there I learnt not to follow other people and keep rolling on ahead

keep it there and divert your investment somewhere else.
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I used to have many overlapping funds. Thanks to some sifu here and Bro Xuzen. They all guided me to have a balance diversified portfolio.

Will do some reading and sharing frm other forum members too.
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I used to have many overlapping funds. Thanks to some sifu here and Bro Xuzen. They all guided me to have a balance diversified portfolio.

Will do some reading and sharing frm other forum members too.
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best comment to follow is from T33H on his risk ratio to percentage of the portfolio into each fund. I'm going along with that.

FSM Funds

Libra Asnita Bond.... (25%)

RHB Asian Income Fund. ....(20%)

Eastspring Investments Small-Cap Fund ...... (10%)

TA Global Technology Fund... (15%)

CIMB-P Greater China Equity .....(5%)

CIMB-P Asia Pac (ponzi 2.0) ......(20%)

Manulife India.........(5 %)

AmAsia REITs .... (5%)

I agree with this portfolio because it suits my train of thought that we should have a somewhat foundation in our motherland.
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not a big fan of prs when I'm going to need that cash to buy myself a wife. my parents are already asking for one.
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The ponzi 2.0 prs will gonna be for long term similar for epf tongue.gif

So I will let ponzi 1 and amasia reits do the job in my normal UT portfolio laugh.gif

At least this is the planning so far smile.gif
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QUOTE(Avangelice @ Oct 28 2016, 09:47 PM)
best comment to follow is from T33H on his risk ratio to percentage of the portfolio into each fund. I'm going along with that.

FSM Funds

Libra Asnita Bond.... (25%)

RHB Asian Income Fund. ....(20%)

Eastspring Investments Small-Cap Fund ...... (10%)

TA Global Technology Fund... (15%)

CIMB-P Greater China Equity .....(5%)

CIMB-P Asia Pac (ponzi 2.0) ......(20%)

Manulife India.........(5 %)

AmAsia REITs .... (5%)

I agree with this portfolio because it suits my train of thought that we should have a somewhat foundation in our motherland.
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Wonderful portfolio. Will try to imitate this.

D main reasons I m heavy in KGF due to purchase via epf monies.

Cash were invested in RHB ATRF, Greater China, Amasia Reits.

I used to have Ponzi 1 and 2 but sold alrdy.

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Wonderful portfolio. Will try to imitate this.

D main reasons I m heavy in KGF due to purchase via epf monies.

Cash were invested in RHB ATRF, Greater China, Amasia Reits.

I used to have Ponzi 1 and 2 but sold alrdy.
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to me I always avoided Kenanga or big malaysia funds because my EPF is already investing in them. no point I diversify fsm portfolio when another investment of mine is already heavily investing in Malaysia.

something we need to consider too
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to me I always avoided Kenanga or big malaysia funds because my EPF is already investing in them. no point I diversify fsm portfolio when another investment of mine is already heavily investing in Malaysia.

something we need to consider too
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How do u knw epf invested in these big funds? Really ah?

Then i should hav diversified into overseas exposed funds.
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How do u knw epf invested in these big funds? Really ah?

Then i should hav diversified into overseas exposed funds.
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that's the thing we don't have any idea where epf invest exactly except through news media
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that's the thing we don't have any idea where epf invest exactly except through news media
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As of 30/6/2016
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now we need to see where this companies get their funding from too
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QUOTE(Avangelice @ Oct 28 2016, 11:04 PM)
now we need to see where this companies get their funding from too
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Actually how do we interpret the holding percentage in the link?

Like what is the percentage of issue share means to the EPF investment portfolio? icon_question.gif

65.39% of Malaysia Building Society Bhd is relative to what in EPF?

Anyone can explain so that the info can be somehow relate it into UT holding context to understand the picture smile.gif

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Wow who reported my post just to share info on what EPF invest in.
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QUOTE(AIYH @ Oct 28 2016, 11:07 PM)
Actually how do we interpret the holding percentage in the link?

Like what is the percentage of issue share means to the EPF investment portfolio?  icon_question.gif

65.39% of Malaysia Building Society Bhd is relative to what in EPF?

Anyone can explain so that the info can be somehow relate it into UT holding context to understand the picture smile.gif
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you need to see where Kenanga fund funnels their funds to. most likely you need to read the prospectus and then cross check with epf's list of companies it invests in.

from there you will roughly know how much over lap you have when you have prs and epf in one go.

personally I find it counter intuitive when you have a fund similar to epf in a portfolio that will try to out performs better than epf annual returns
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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Oct 28 2016, 11:12 PM)
Wow who reported my post just to share info on what EPF invest in.
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QUOTE(Avangelice @ Oct 28 2016, 11:17 PM)
you need to see where Kenanga fund funnels their funds to. most likely you need to read the prospectus and then cross check with epf's list of companies it invests in.

from there you will roughly know how much over lap you have when you have prs and epf in one go.

personally I find it counter intuitive when you have a fund similar to epf in a portfolio that will try to out performs better than epf annual returns
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But I dont understand the content in the EPF link?

Mind explain to me? laugh.gif
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QUOTE(AIYH @ Oct 28 2016, 11:20 PM)
But I dont understand the content in the EPF link?

Mind explain to me? laugh.gif
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think of this as the funds EPF invest in and what you see here is the portfolio of each fund it invest in.

mind you it's only top 30. I know epf has started investing in international equities.


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Walao, everyone is making a move today. Then I also have to share my "trading" info from this morning.  biggrin.gif

1.  Switched the excess profits from Ponzi 2 into CIMB Global Titans (top up).
2.  Switched from TA Dana Afif into TA Global Technology and TA European Equity Funds (buying back these 2 new unit trusts as part of my portfolio)
3.  Bought Eastspring Bond Fund (to switch later into Eastspring Global Leaders Fund).
4.  Topped up RHB Small Cap Opportunity Unit Trust and RHB Asian Income Fund.
5.  Bought RHB Asian Total Return Fund (buying back this new fund as part of my portfolio).

That's it folks. My 'minor' transactions for today.    tongue.gif
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RHB ATR - still got legs to run? Usd:RM is 4.2 today. But I may be biased la, I sold 2/3 jor

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when was your last portfolio reformat? that's a huge overhaul. what made you do that?
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If u followed your own advice and read his comments in the past versions you would know that the boss above has 6 digit worth of credits in one of his many acts. So this is definitely not a major revamp. Probably just 'trade for thrills'
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QUOTE(Avangelice @ Oct 28 2016, 11:24 PM)
think of this as the funds EPF invest in and what you see here is the portfolio of each fund it invest in.

mind you it's only top 30. I know epf has started investing in international equities.
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But is the percentage quoted in the link means the holding percentage (which doesnt make sense since they are quite large and easily over 200% in total)?

That is the part I dont really understand about Percentage Of Issued Shares, how does this make it relative to the percent of holding?

Or the percentage means the amount of shares EPF hold in that particular holding?
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QUOTE(AIYH @ Oct 28 2016, 11:32 PM)
But is the percentage quoted in the link means the holding percentage (which doesnt make sense since they are quite large and easily over 200% in total)?

That is the part I dont really understand about Percentage Of Issued Shares, how does this make it relative to the percent of holding?

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percentage means the amount of shares EPF hold in that particular holding

bingo.

now dig where KGF invest in.
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QUOTE(AIYH @ Oct 28 2016, 11:32 PM)
But is the percentage quoted in the link means the holding percentage (which doesnt make sense since they are quite large and easily over 200% in total)?

That is the part I dont really understand about Percentage Of Issued Shares, how does this make it relative to the percent of holding?

Or the percentage means the amount of shares EPF hold in that particular holding?
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Hi, it means if the company has issued 1,000,000 shares to date and EPF holds 50% of the issued shares, it means EPF has 500,000 shares and owns 50% of the company. Hope that is clear enough.

To add some colors to this: EPF might not hold these shares directly, but through external fund managers instead. EPF would have some of their money "outsourced" to external fund managers (think Aberdeen Asset, CIMB Principal Asset, Kenanga, RHB, Eastspring etc) for them to invest on behalf of EPF. For example, when those external fund managers buy Maybank stock in their portfolio managed for EPF, its also counted as EPF's shareholding.

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QUOTE(Avangelice @ Oct 28 2016, 11:34 PM)
percentage means the amount of shares EPF hold in that particular holding

bingo.

now dig where KGF invest in.
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The one which overlaps with KGF is just TNB. KGF only holding 3.35%. The rest all different. So I don't think it overlap much. Also IF EPF and KGF are holding the same stocks, how come EPF is not able to generate the same performance as KGF?

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Oct 28 2016, 11:48 PM)
The one which overlaps with KGF is just TNB. KGF only holding 3.35%. The rest all different. So I don't think it overlap much. Also IF EPF and KGF are holding the same stocks, how come EPF is not able to generate the same performance as KGF?
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with that in mind AiYH can start cross checking his prs with epf.
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may I suggest that you don't pay too much attention in where EPF or KGF invested the monies....
The holding information is NOT up to date.....and also the holdings may change at any time the FM seems fit (or being told by BIGGER boss)
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QUOTE(MUM @ Oct 28 2016, 11:53 PM)
may I suggest that you don't pay too much attention in where EPF or KGF invested the monies....
The holding information is NOT up to date.....and also the holdings may change at any time the FM seems fit (or being told by BIGGER boss)
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Precisely. But of course if one have too much in malaysia, it would be unwise to invest more in malaysia.
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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Oct 28 2016, 11:59 PM)
Precisely. But of course if one have too much in malaysia, it would be unwise to invest more in malaysia.
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like many FMs had said,...Malaysia mkts is defensive and quite stable...due to LOCAL institutional supports.
I myself consider EPF as part of my FI funds...(low risks & with expected app ROIs of 6+-1)

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I have to put this out here...

Actually I disagree with not investing in Malaysia just because EPF has already invested in it..

Actually EPF as savvy investors, have already done diversification on their part themselves. They invest in truckloads of different asset classes locally AND overseas to get their diversification right. They have a dedicated team just to model the asset allocation strategy.

So, to my mind, when you invest your own money, you can treat your EPF investment as "non-existent", that is you still can invest in Malaysia if you think that would give your UT portfolio optimal risk-return characteristics without paying any mind to what EPF is doing.

My 2 cents.

Disclaimer: I'm not EPF employee.

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QUOTE(_azam13 @ Oct 29 2016, 12:11 AM)
I have to put this out here...

Actually I disagree with not investing in Malaysia just because EPF has already invested in it..

Actually EPF as savvy investors, have already done diversification on their part themselves. They invest in truckloads of different asset classes locally AND overseas to get their diversification right. They have a dedicated team just to model the asset allocation strategy.

So, to my mind, when you invest your own money, you can treat your EPF investment as "non-existent", that is you still can invest in Malaysia if you think that would give your UT portfolio optimal risk-return characteristics without paying any mind to what EPF is doing.

My 2 cents.

Disclaimer: I'm not EPF employee.
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holistically.. er.. shouldn't one take into account of one's TOTAL assets (real la, not doodads)?
coz
even EPF can be channeled to foreign focused mutual funds again now + hopefully self-directed stock purchases inn future again too tongue.gif

if one' cash in bank/flexi already in MYR + EPF also bulk MYR assets, shouldn't one at least look @ developed markets? at the very least?
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sailang all Malaysia's the best/boleh coz EPF is 100% trustworthy forever and ever & having everything tied to MY boleh?

dunno - maybe i'm just a worry wart notworthy.gif
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holistically.. er.. shouldn't one take into account of one's TOTAL assets (real la, not doodads)?
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even EPF can be channeled to foreign focused mutual funds again now + hopefully self-directed stock purchases inn future again too tongue.gif

if one' cash in bank/flexi already in MYR + EPF also bulk MYR assets, shouldn't one at least look @ developed markets? at the very least?
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sailang all Malaysia's the best/boleh coz EPF is 100% trustworthy forever and ever & having everything tied to MY boleh?

dunno - maybe i'm just a worry wart  notworthy.gif
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Sure, total assets, but since that part of the asset is already diversified enough for me, so I dont worry about it. I should worry about the part I'm managing myself. Im not sure if this makes sense to anyone, but hopefully it does? Haha.

But it also makes sense if your other pockets are heavy in MYR assets. Then for sure I would encourage more overseas UTF biggrin.gif

"sailang all Malaysia's the best/boleh coz EPF is 100% trustworthy forever and ever & having everything tied to MY boleh?"

I actually dont understand the above.
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Sure, total assets, but since that part of the asset is already diversified enough for me, so I dont worry about it. I should worry about the part I'm managing myself. Im not sure if this makes sense to anyone, but hopefully it does? Haha.

But it also makes sense if your other pockets are heavy in MYR assets. Then for sure I would encourage more overseas  UTF biggrin.gif

"sailang all Malaysia's the best/boleh coz EPF is 100% trustworthy forever and ever & having everything tied to MY boleh?"

I actually dont understand the above.
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You two are talking about two different things.

You are talking about the statement ( don't know who said it ) that "don't invest in Malaysia as Epf already investing in it"

Vs

"Lets go all out invest in Malaysia as EPF is 100% trustworthy".

Actually I tend to think that EPF invest in Malaysia one of the reason is because it has stabilizing effect on Malaysian stock market. Investing in foreign funds is like tell people you have higher faith in foreign funds than the local ones. And an institution as EPF must take that into consideration.


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QUOTE(puchongite @ Oct 29 2016, 09:44 AM)
You two are talking about two different things.

You are talking about the statement ( don't know who said it ) that "don't invest in Malaysia as Epf already investing in it"

Vs

"Lets go all out invest in Malaysia as EPF is 100% trustworthy".

Actually I tend to think that EPF invest in Malaysia one of the reason is because it has stabilizing effect on Malaysian stock market. Investing in foreign funds is like tell people you have higher faith in foreign funds than the local ones. And an institution as EPF must take that into consideration.
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me actually. I have another pocket investing in Malaysia why would I go make another big pocket investing the same as the other. it is counterintuitive when the Malaysian economy slumps everything will be affected.

take away message keep 20% to 30% of your portfolio into Malaysian bonds and equities. the rest diversity into over seas UTFs.

my two cents
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QUOTE(Avangelice @ Oct 29 2016, 10:17 AM)
me actually. I have another pocket investing in Malaysia why would I go make another big pocket investing the same as the other. it is counterintuitive when the Malaysian economy slumps everything will be affected.

take away message keep 20% to 30% of your portfolio into Malaysian bonds and equities. the rest diversity into over seas UTFs.

my two cents
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I think 30% is too high. Maybe 10-20% is the right target?
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QUOTE(puchongite @ Oct 29 2016, 09:44 AM)
You two are talking about two different things.

You are talking about the statement ( don't know who said it ) that "don't invest in Malaysia as Epf already investing in it"

Vs

"Lets go all out invest in Malaysia as EPF is 100% trustworthy".

Actually I tend to think that EPF invest in Malaysia one of the reason is because it has stabilizing effect on Malaysian stock market. Investing in foreign funds is like tell people you have higher faith in foreign funds than the local ones. And an institution as EPF must take that into consideration.
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er.. he & i are talking about similar stuff, different side of the coin.

as for the EPF trusworthy thinggy - read entire sentence pls. there is a "and...", thus take into context smile.gif
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QUOTE(_azam13 @ Oct 29 2016, 01:15 AM)
Sure, total assets, but since that part of the asset is already diversified enough for me, so I dont worry about it. I should worry about the part I'm managing myself. Im not sure if this makes sense to anyone, but hopefully it does? Haha.

But it also makes sense if your other pockets are heavy in MYR assets. Then for sure I would encourage more overseas  UTF biggrin.gif

"sailang all Malaysia's the best/boleh coz EPF is 100% trustworthy forever and ever & having everything tied to MY boleh?"

I actually dont understand the above.
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"sailang" = "everything in"
just flipping the other side of the coin of trusting 1 country's gov + sovereign fund + companies there 100%
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the 3 or more countries & 8 or more sub-assets smile.gif (ie. chicken kaka method tongue.gif )
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Hi everyone, i've just activated my FSM account. My plan was to do it by this year to get the Rm500 incentive but i read in the PRS thread that it will be Rm1k next year.

Is it wiser to just wait till next year?

I got an email from FSM saying that the first 30 days i will be entitled to 1% sales charge.If the Rm1k incentive next year is true, it's better to hold on right?
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QUOTE(silverwave @ Oct 29 2016, 12:14 PM)
Hi everyone, i've just activated my FSM account. My plan was to do it by this year to get the Rm500 incentive but i read in the PRS thread that it will be Rm1k next year.

Is it wiser to just wait till next year?

I got an email from FSM saying that the first 30 days i will be entitled to 1% sales charge.If the Rm1k incentive next year is true, it's better to hold on right?
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The 1% is not for PRS. Is for normal funds. You can invest in normal fund first while waiting for next year to get the rm1k. Keep in mind that rm1k can only be withdraw out when you are 55 years old.
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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Oct 29 2016, 12:17 PM)
The 1% is not for PRS. Is for normal funds. You can invest in normal fund first while waiting for next year to get the rm1k. Keep in mind that rm1k can only be withdraw out when you are 55 years old.
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How would i know which is meant for PRS or normal fund in FSM? Still very new to this biggrin.gif

About the Rm1k, it has to be for first investment of RM1k minimum to be entitled right? Second investment does not count. Do correct me if i'm wrong.
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QUOTE(silverwave @ Oct 29 2016, 12:32 PM)
How would i know which is meant for PRS or normal fund in FSM? Still very new to this  biggrin.gif

About the Rm1k, it has to be for first investment of RM1k minimum to be entitled right? Second investment does not count. Do correct me if i'm wrong.
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You will have to select PRS from dropdown menu under fund selection.

Don't know about PRS as I haven't take a look yet. Will take a look next year. thumbup.gif If you are working, recommended you put max rm3k inside there for tax relief.
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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Oct 28 2016, 11:48 PM)
The one which overlaps with KGF is just TNB. KGF only holding 3.35%. The rest all different. So I don't think it overlap much. Also IF EPF and KGF are holding the same stocks, how come EPF is not able to generate the same performance as KGF?
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Even for the same stocks, EPF and KGF are likely to buy at different prices.
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Hi guys,

I've started by putting in a small lump sum into RHB AIF already, around 30% of my total amount that is available for investing.

From the Fund Fact Sheet, it seems that AIF and Ponzi 2.0 are focused on the same geographical sectors, but are focused on different equities. Would like to ask whether it is wise to put anymore into Ponzi 2?

Also thinking of putting into TA GT as well, should have done so yesterday when the price was lower.. Really missed the train.
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QUOTE(botakbin @ Oct 29 2016, 03:17 PM)
Hi guys,

I've started by putting in a small lump sum into RHB AIF already, around 30% of my total amount that is available for investing.

From the Fund Fact Sheet, it seems that AIF and Ponzi 2.0 are focused on the same geographical sectors, but are focused on different equities. Would like to ask whether it is wise to put anymore into Ponzi 2?

Also thinking of putting into TA GT as well, should have done so yesterday when the price was lower.. Really missed the train.
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Your choice. You want exposure to malaysia some more or not. I don't want. That's why I choose Ponzi 2 over Ponzi 1.

Don't worry. TA Global Tech is still considered cheap. biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(prince_mk @ Oct 26 2016, 05:52 PM)
Was invited to attend luncheon at Tropicana Gold Resort PJ this coming 5th Nov.
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I am only 5 mins away.. why no invite me.. cry.gif
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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Oct 29 2016, 03:50 PM)
Your choice.  You want exposure to malaysia some more or not. I don't want. That's why I choose Ponzi 2 over Ponzi 1.

Don't worry. TA Global Tech is still considered cheap. biggrin.gif
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Dear Sifu Ramjade,

How you determine TA Tech UTF is cheap or otherwise ar?

Can teach me ar?

Which formula you use to determine ar?

Xuzen
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Dear Sifu Ramjade,

How you determine TA Tech UTF is cheap or otherwise ar?

Can teach me ar?

Which formula you use to determine ar?

Xuzen
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See previous price before distribution? I am betting it will will go back to previous level few months down the road. Well that's just my own judgement.

Let's bet ok? In one year time it will go back to before distribution price. Ya ya, distribution, dividend all not important. But let's see one year later.

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QUOTE(Kaka23 @ Oct 29 2016, 04:04 PM)
I am only 5 mins away.. why no invite me..  cry.gif
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They think you are sifu level already, so luncheon and talk not relevant. bangwall.gif
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They think you are sifu level already, so luncheon and talk not relevant.  bangwall.gif
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Not sifu also... still alot of things to learn for you all notworthy.gif
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Not sifu also... still alot of things to learn for you all  notworthy.gif
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Joke aside, this makan thing is sponsored by some people who will have vested interested in promoting their funds. You think it is still something useful ? Will they really stay neutral and objective ?
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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Oct 29 2016, 04:28 PM)
See previous price before distribution? I am betting it will will go back to previous level few months down the road. Well that's just my own judgement.

Let's bet ok? In one year time it will go back to before distribution price. Ya ya, distribution, dividend all not important.  But let's see one year later.
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5 units gets one unit, and a few months later price grow back to original, that will be 20% growth, right ? If like that better sai lang liow !
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QUOTE(puchongite @ Oct 29 2016, 05:04 PM)
5 units gets one unit, and a few months later price grow back to original, that will be 20% growth, right ? If like that better sai lang liow !
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Let's why I said 1 year. Possible what in one year. Even if not 20%, let's put it at lower level. 15% sure achievable.

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Oct 29 2016, 04:28 PM)
See previous price before distribution? I am betting it will will go back to previous level few months down the road. Well that's just my own judgement.

Let's bet ok? In one year time it will go back to before distribution price. Ya ya, distribution, dividend all not important.  But let's see one year later.
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The NAV for TAGTF on 10/10/2016 is MYR 0.7335 per unit. The unit split happened on 11/10/2016. The NAV for TAGTF on 11/10/2016 that is post unit split became MYR 0.6092

If one has 10,000 units originally his NAV would be 10,000 x 0.7335 = MYR 7,335.00 ====> (A)

Due to unit split of 1 units per 5, he will get 10,000/5 = 2,000 new units. The total units then became 10,000 + 2,000 = 12,000 units.

The new NAV becomes 12,000 x 0.6092 = MYR 7,310.40.====> (B)

Now take a look at the NAV (A) & (B). From this do you see that the actual value is lebih-kurang sama aje! Although you will say the NAV has dropped, but for someone who is actually holding the unit prior to the units split; it does not seem that way.

Hence, do not be deluded that it is cheap or otherwise. The NAV drop is engineered by the UTMC, it is not due to actual drop in its underlying asset price. In another word, the drop in NAV is a manipulation by the UTF management company.

Xuzen

p/s (IMPORTANT NOTE): Actual cheap or otherwise is not determine by the NAV face value per se. Look to its underlying asset to determine. In the absence of knowing the actual underlying asset, then look at the fund benchmark for guidance.

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QUOTE(xuzen @ Oct 29 2016, 05:40 PM)
Now take a look at the NAV (A) & (B). From this do you see that the actual value is lebih-kurang sama aje! Although you will say the NAV has dropped, but for someone who is actually holding the unit prior to the units split; it does not seem that way.
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This is true for those holding. But who those not holding? If the price goes back to normal after 1 year? Anyway lets see how much I will get after 1 year.
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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Oct 29 2016, 06:03 PM)
This is true for those holding. But who those not holding? If the price goes back to normal after 1 year? Anyway lets see how much I will get after 1 year.
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Let us consider two scenarios:

Xuzen already has 12,000 units of TA GTF on 11/10/2016 and the NAV on 11/10/2016 post unit split is MYR 0.6092 per unit. Hence Xuzen's actual holding in TA GTF is MYR 12,000 x 0.6092 = MYR 7,310.40 as of 11/10/2016.

On the other hand, Ramjade do not own any TA GTF units and on the same day post unit split, that is on 11/10/2016 he bought 10,000 units of it and he has to pay 10,000 x 0.6092 = MYR 6,092.00 for his settlement.

Let us say one year later, and assuming there are no dividend declared nor any unit split or bonus units declared, that is, the NAV moves up on its own naturally. The NAV moved up 20% to MYR 0.6092 x 1.20 = MYR 0.7310

The NAV for Xuzen becomes 12,000 x 0.7310 = MYR 8,772.48. MYR 8,772.48 less MYR 7,310.40 equals to MYR 1,462.08 and this is equivalent to 20% capital gain.

Let's move on to Ramjade:

The NAV for Ramjade becomes 10,000 x 0.7310 = MYR 7,310.00. MYR 7,310.00 less MYR 6,092.00 equals to MYR 1,218.00 and this is equivalent to 20% capital gain.

Based on the above illustration, whether one holds the unit prior to unit split or whether one does not, does it make a difference or not?

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QUOTE(xuzen @ Oct 29 2016, 06:31 PM)
Let us consider two scenarios:

Xuzen already has 12,000 units of TA GTF on 11/10/2016 and the NAV on 11/10/2016 post unit split is MYR 0.6092 per unit. Hence Xuzen's actual holding in TA GTF is MYR 12,000 x 0.6092 = MYR 7,310.40 as of 11/10/2016.

On the other hand, Ramjade do not own any TA GTF units and on the same day post unit split, that is on 11/10/2016 he bought 10,000 units of it and he has to pay 10,000 x 0.6092 = MYR 6,092.00 for his settlement.

Let us say one year later, and assuming there are no dividend declared nor any unit split or bonus units declared, that is, the NAV moves up on its own naturally. The NAV moved up 20% to MYR 0.6092 x 1.20 = MYR 0.7310

The NAV for Xuzen becomes 12,000 x 0.7310 = MYR 8,772.48. MYR 8,772.48 less MYR 7,310.40 equals to MYR 1,462.08 and this is equivalent to 20% capital gain.

Let's move on to Ramjade:

The NAV for Ramjade becomes 10,000 x 0.7310 = MYR 7,310.00. MYR 7,310.00 less MYR 6,092.00 equals to MYR 1,218.00 and this is equivalent to 20% capital gain.

Based on the above illustration, whether one holds the unit prior to unit split or whether one does not, does it make a difference or not?

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Nope. Both gain 20%. However I still think buying now could still be cheaper if say buy next month. Of course vice versa can happen.

However, let's not derail the thread and start a war about NAV. smile.gif

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Oct 29 2016, 06:43 PM)
Nope. Both gain 20%. However I still think buying now could still be cheaper if say buy next month. Of course vice versa can happen.

However, let's not derail the thread and start a war about NAV. smile.gif
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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Oct 29 2016, 06:43 PM)
Nope. Both gain 20%. However I still think buying now could still be cheaper if say buy next month. Of course vice versa can happen.

However, let's not derail the thread and start a war about NAV. smile.gif
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Dear Sifu Ramjade,

Now that we have established that a whether a UTF is cheap or otherwise is independent of unit split or post-distribution events. Then, on what basis do you make the bolded claim or assertion?

On one hand you said it could be cheaper now than next month, on another you said it could be vice-versa. To my ear, your statement is neither here nor there. It is as if something is spoken but has an effect of something not spoken. Isn't it?

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Dear Sifu Ramjade,

Now that we have established that a UTF cheap or otherwise is independent of unit split or post-distribution matter, then on what basis do you make this claim or that assertion?

On the other hand you said it could be cheaper now than next month or vice-versa, your statement then is neither here nor there. It is spoken as if not spoken then, is it not?

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In addition, not sure where did I read about some view aside from asia pacific, technology sector is the next growth engine (not sure on Bloomberg/CNBC/Reuters)

Enough reasons? biggrin.gif

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Oct 29 2016, 07:48 PM)
US banks are trying to use blockchains, there are autopilot car, US, Russia, China sure will try to enchance security of their power grid, hospitals, VR the all new craze,  Amazon is battling with Netflix, Apple for control of the entertainment media, ransomware, Alibaba, Tenscent, are all big tech companies in China, 3D printing and drone technology. These are what I can think of from the top of my head.

In addition, not sure where did I read about some view aside from asia pacific, technology sector is the next growth engine (not sure on Bloomberg/CNBC/Reuters)

Enough reasons?  biggrin.gif
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You said earlier it was due to the drop in NAV because of the unit split effect that the NAV became cheap.

Now you are saying due to the above macro views, the potential for TA GTF NAV to increase is there. Good good! We are making progress! Kipidap! thumbsup.gif

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Oct 29 2016, 06:43 PM)
Nope. Both gain 20%. However I still think buying now could still be cheaper if say buy next month. Of course vice versa can happen.

However, let's not derail the thread and start a war about NAV. smile.gif
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You said earlier it was due to the drop in NAV because of the unit split effect that the NAV became cheap.

Now you are saying due to the above macro views, the potential for TA GTF NAV to increase is there. Good good! We are making progress! Kipidap!  thumbsup.gif

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Maybe I am not clear. What I meant is if it were to increase in the future based on what I read, buying now is cheaper than maybe buying few months down the road. Provided I am right.

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Anything can happen, just like Brexit.
The presidential race is still wide open.
According to personnel from Affin Hwang, the market is basically not ready for Trump victory....

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QUOTE(xuzen @ Oct 29 2016, 05:40 PM)
The NAV for TAGTF on 10/10/2016 is MYR 0.7335 per unit. The unit split happened on 11/10/2016. The NAV for TAGTF on 11/10/2016 that is post unit split became MYR 0.6092

If one has 10,000 units originally his NAV would be 10,000 x 0.7335 = MYR 7,335.00 ====> (A)

Due to unit split of 1 units per 5, he will get 10,000/5 = 2,000 new units. The total units then became 10,000 + 2,000 = 12,000 units.

The new NAV becomes 12,000 x 0.6092 = MYR 7,310.40.====> (B)

Now take a look at the NAV (A) & (B). From this do you see that the actual value is lebih-kurang sama aje! Although you will say the NAV has dropped, but for someone who is actually holding the unit prior to the units split; it does not seem that way.

Hence, do not be deluded that it is cheap or otherwise. The NAV drop is engineered by the UTMC, it is not due to actual drop in its underlying asset price. In another word, the drop in NAV is a manipulation by the UTF management company.

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p/s (IMPORTANT NOTE): Actual cheap or otherwise is not determine by the NAV face value per se. Look to its underlying asset to determine. In the absence of knowing the actual underlying asset, then look at the fund benchmark for guidance.
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Oh..it was nt determine by the price. Now only I know.

Where to refer on the underlying asset? Financial statement?

Thanks Sifu Xuzen.

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QUOTE(xuzen @ Oct 29 2016, 05:40 PM)
The NAV for TAGTF on 10/10/2016 is MYR 0.7335 per unit. The unit split happened on 11/10/2016. The NAV for TAGTF on 11/10/2016 that is post unit split became MYR 0.6092

If one has 10,000 units originally his NAV would be 10,000 x 0.7335 = MYR 7,335.00 ====> (A)

Due to unit split of 1 units per 5, he will get 10,000/5 = 2,000 new units. The total units then became 10,000 + 2,000 = 12,000 units.

The new NAV becomes 12,000 x 0.6092 = MYR 7,310.40.====> (B)

Now take a look at the NAV (A) & (B). From this do you see that the actual value is lebih-kurang sama aje! Although you will say the NAV has dropped, but for someone who is actually holding the unit prior to the units split; it does not seem that way.

Hence, do not be deluded that it is cheap or otherwise. The NAV drop is engineered by the UTMC, it is not due to actual drop in its underlying asset price. In another word, the drop in NAV is a manipulation by the UTF management company.

Xuzen

p/s (IMPORTANT NOTE): Actual cheap or otherwise is not determine by the NAV face value per se. Look to its underlying asset to determine. In the absence of knowing the actual underlying asset, then look at the fund benchmark for guidance.
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Haha it is a day of maths.

I would like to show my calculation too.

Actually 5 units get 1 unit is equivalent to (1 + 1/5)= 1.2 times increase in units.

If original nav is .7335, then new nav is .7335/1.2 = .61125.

But the price became .6092, there was indeed a drop of nav on that day.
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Thanks a lot for all your generous opinions. I've also read the thread's first page and everything is consistent. I guess I'll put in another 30% of my basket of eggs into TA GT.

However, on my other question, does anyone have any opinion? i.e., I already have 30% of total investments in RHB AIF, but seeing from the good future progress of Asia ex Japan market, Ponzi 2 seems like a good buy too.

My concern is just that whether I am concentrating too much together in terms of geographical sector, ie. AIF and Ponzi 2 having similar geographical exposures.

@Ramjade I have also considered your opinion of whether I am going to increase my Malaysian UT exposure. Let's say in this event, I am not considering Malaysia, is it still wise to go Ponzi 2? Or diversify in other funds?

Feedback appreciated.

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Anyway, got this off our in-house UTC

Sharing is caring so here you go, play around and have fun!
http://iportfolio.com.my/snapshot

It's somewhat similar to FSM's portfolio simulator, but has more info on downside risk, and has almost all the funds available in Msia. Doesn't work with ASB VP funds since I think they don't publish fund price daily
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QUOTE(dasecret @ Oct 29 2016, 10:32 PM)
Hasn't read the past few pages... seems to be going in circles again

Anyway, got this off our in-house UTC

Sharing is caring so here you go, play around and have fun!
http://iportfolio.com.my/snapshot

It's somewhat similar to FSM's portfolio simulator, but has more info on downside risk, and has almost all the funds available in Msia. Doesn't work with ASB VP funds since I think they don't publish fund price daily
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Dafaq did I just ... ???  sweat.gif  sweat.gif  sweat.gif
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Walao-eh, what did you put in la?
I thought you hold all the champion funds?
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Walao-eh, what did you put in la?
I thought you hold all the champion funds?
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These lo, is there any bug eh? sweat.gif

Don't tell me it has the same limitation of 10 funds in a portfolio like morningstar, more than that it goes hairwayer (how does it spell dy?) ? sweat.gif

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Algozen™'s portfolio back tested five years.

I only have four UTF in my port coz Algozen™ does not do Pokemon Go, "Gotta catch em' all".

The portfolio has a volatility of 6.54% , and in sixty mths of backtesting, there are 46 mths with positive return which means 77% of the time, it is a winner.

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QUOTE(AIYH @ Oct 29 2016, 11:31 PM)
These lo, is there any bug eh?  sweat.gif

Don't tell me it has the same limitation of 10 funds in a portfolio like morningstar, more than that it goes hairwayer  (how does it spell dy?) ?  sweat.gif
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I think the program can only calculate max 10 funds before it goes haywire laugh.gif

Removing TA Europe, this is 5 years performance

Volatility 7.03% rclxms.gif

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QUOTE(botakbin @ Oct 29 2016, 09:11 PM)
@Ramjade I have also considered your opinion of whether I am going to increase my Malaysian UT exposure. Let's say in this event, I am not considering Malaysia, is it still wise to go Ponzi 2? Or diversify in other funds?

Feedback appreciated.
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Ponzi 2 only holds 1.56% in Malaysia which in my opinion is too insignificant. Well is up to you. Anyway I have 1 month experience only la sweat.gif For me, I still topup my Mlaaysian funds when they are "going cheap" but not much.
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My portfolio as at Oct 2016.

Time to trim some funds. To add more Asia Ex Japan funds - Ponzi 1 and Ponzi 2 into it before 10 Nov.


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Simple Asset Allocation test - also good, no need no stress/pick gila nor crystal balls tongue.gif :
1. Equities, Developed Market:
CIMB Global Titans 17%
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2. Equities, Emerging Market:
Eastspring Global Emerging Markets 17%
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3. Equities, Real Estate
AmAsia Pacific REITs 33%
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4. Fixed Income, Bond (can also be represented by EPF)
Libra AsnitaBond 22%
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5. Fixed Income, Money Market (can also be represented by Flexi Mortgage)
RHB Cash Management 2 11%

http://iportfolio.com.my/snapshot?cntp=5&f...22000&readp4=TZ

PS:
a. Purposely simplified.
IMHO if want to spend more effort / time - might as well get into direct stocks/properties to be worth the effort

b. Simple alternatives shared too
Coz it's holistic right? not in vacuum
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I wont have $ in
+Libra Asnita coz i've enough % EPF
+RHB Cash Management coz i've enough in prepaid Flexi Mortgage
+took all CIMB Global Tit.s out to fully fund my direct investments via US Exchanges, thus $0 too in CIMB Global Tit.s

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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Oct 30 2016, 10:31 AM)
Simple Asset Allocation test - also good, no need no stress/pick gila nor crystal balls tongue.gif :
1. Equities, Developed Market:
CIMB Global Titans 17%
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2. Equities, Emerging Market:
Eastspring Global Emerging Markets 17%
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3. Equities, Real Estate
AmAsia Pacific REITs 33%
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4. Fixed Income, Bond (can also be represented by EPF)
Libra AsnitaBond 22%
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5. Fixed Income, Money Market (can also be represented by Flexi Mortgage)
RHB Cash Management 2 11%

http://iportfolio.com.my/snapshot?cntp=5&f...22000&readp4=TZ
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No KGF or EISCF?
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QUOTE(prince_mk @ Oct 30 2016, 10:33 AM)
Boss,

No KGF or EISCF?
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see the OPTIMIZE>>RISK results heheh
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My portfolio is classified as aggressive and I only have two asset class..... equities and bond. Super simple hor!

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P/s Is the optimise portfolio function rosak or not? I click on it, my current port and optimised portfolio results are the same wan...

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QUOTE(kswee @ Oct 29 2016, 07:07 PM)
What Fund invest in education and universities?
Fast food processing?
chemical plant or any associate with chemical?
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QUOTE(kswee @ Oct 29 2016, 07:07 PM)
What Fund invest in education and universities?
Fast food processing?
chemical plant or any associate with chemical?
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Fast Food = KFC, QSR, BFood, QL

Chemical = CCM

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P/s Stop playing stock market since 2009, still can remember the counter, not bad hor! thumbup.gif

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plan for longer term at least 3 years above.
Stock can run further then that? my risk appetite low.
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QUOTE(xuzen @ Oct 30 2016, 12:10 PM)
My portfolio is classified as aggressive and I only have two asset class..... equities and bond. Super simple hor!

Xuzen

P/s Is the optimise portfolio function rosak or not? I click on it, my current port and optimised portfolio results are the same wan...
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It's not auto-optimize, it's for U to screw around (add/remove/change amounts) VS your ori
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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Oct 30 2016, 12:28 PM)
English usage problem la
It's not auto-optimize, it's for U to screw around (add/remove/change amounts) VS your ori
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QUOTE(kswee @ Oct 30 2016, 12:19 PM)
plan for longer term at least 3 years above.
Stock can run further then that? my risk appetite low.
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QUOTE(kswee @ Oct 30 2016, 12:19 PM)
plan for longer term at least 3 years above.
Stock can run further then that? my risk appetite low.
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Buy REITS.

QUOTE(xuzen @ Oct 30 2016, 12:45 PM)
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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Oct 30 2016, 01:35 PM)
Buy REITS.
Still correct what. Can buy REITS.
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have U seen REITs going down >30%-40% ar?
if not, please don't state stuff like that..

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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Oct 30 2016, 05:05 PM)
have U seen REITs going down >30%-40% ar?
if not, please don't state stuff like that..
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I don't think Malaysian REITS react that that badly?
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QUOTE(AIYH @ Oct 29 2016, 11:52 PM)
I think the program can only calculate max 10 funds before it goes haywire laugh.gif

Removing TA Europe, this is 5 years performance

Volatility 7.03%  rclxms.gif

positive returns 47/60 months, 78.33%
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Interesting. Did your combination allows you to balance out each other individual funds's higher volatility and achieve smaller overall volatility ?

Please reveal your portfolio and % allocation.

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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Oct 30 2016, 05:05 PM)
have U seen REITs going down >30%-40% ar?
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Are u refering to US reits? Which country?
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QUOTE(prince_mk @ Oct 30 2016, 07:04 PM)
Boss,

Are u refering to US reits? Which country?
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Local, SG, US, etc

example 1:
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U want more? go dig - so many tools these days VS old farts days of newspapers & magazines

hehe sigh... it's good that newbies are so gung ho.. thus they call it the generation-cycle or 20-30 year cycle when the new ones forgot what happened 1 to 2 generations ago, it repeats laugh.gif

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Interesting. Did your combination allows you to balance out each other individual funds's higher volatility and achieve smaller overall volatility ?

Please reveal your portfolio and % allocation.
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guys beginner try to play invest
have any guide?
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guys beginner try to play invest
have any guide?
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for a starts, may I suggest that you try to read and understand these before you try to play ....
http://www.moneysense.gov.sg/Financial-Planning.aspx
http://www.moneysense.gov.sg/Understanding...nvestments.aspx

https://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/school/school.svdo

page# 1, post# 1

page# 19, post# 371

and many more on fund house sites or googles......

if you wanted "to play invest", remember to "play" with the amount of monies you don't need for a few years and not with borrowed monies.

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Most of the funds are there but negligible overall impact if look at it long term ( 5 year ).

I just did a port which consists of KGF, Ponzi 2.0 and CIMB global titan in equal split, the result comes out almost the same for 5 year.
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QUOTE(puchongite @ Oct 31 2016, 09:00 AM)
Most of the funds are there but negligible overall impact if look at it long term ( 5 year ).

I just did a port which consists of KGF, Ponzi 2.0 and CIMB global titan in equal split, the result comes out almost the same for 5 year.
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But they differ in geography and sector coverage smile.gif
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Good morning everyone! How's everyone doing this week? Looking forward to the next top up? I know I am
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Good morning everyone! How's everyone doing this week? Looking forward to the next top up? I know I am
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If the market continues to slide, this will just prove sifu Ramjade's theory ( that "it is a good time top up when market goes down" ) isn't a really good one. LOL.

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guys beginner try to play invest
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Here's my guide:

Play & Invest are two different thing and they use different strategies to execute. You decide whether you want to play or do you want to invest?

UTF is a better tool for investment but poor tool for play.

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QUOTE(puchongite @ Oct 31 2016, 09:40 AM)
If the market continues to slide, this will just prove sifu Ramjade's theory ( that "it is a good time top up when market goes down" ) isn't a really good one. LOL.
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What goes up must come down and what goes down will come up again..... Hence in the long long run, all will usually regress to the mean. Sifu Xuzen's theory is da Best thumbup.gif !

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if one is "happy", contented with 5 yrs data and believes that history can repeat itself....
at portfolio volatility at 10, 78% of the times making positive returns, 5 yrs ROIs is 135%
just put 1k each now at each of this fund




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QUOTE(T231H @ Oct 31 2016, 10:15 AM)
if one is "happy", contented with 5 yrs data and believes that history can repeat itself....
at portfolio volatility at 10, 78% of the times making positive returns, 5 yrs ROIs is 135%
just put 1k each now at each of this fund
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Haha many qualifying conditions there .....

Under normal circumstance history should repeat itself.

But not necessary if there is a lou sai situation. sweat.gif
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QUOTE(puchongite @ Oct 31 2016, 10:19 AM)
Haha many qualifying conditions there .....

Under normal circumstance history should repeat itself.

But not necessary if there is a lou sai situation.  sweat.gif
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from the postings of forummers last few days using the Iportfolio to "play about with 5 yrs data....
it seems that "ALL" are making positives returns in the last 5 years...
is the last 5 years Goldilocks years??
it has QE tightening, greece, brexit, US russia grumblings, oil prices dropped, 1MDB, Yuan devaluations.....etc, etc....


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QUOTE(T231H @ Oct 31 2016, 10:25 AM)
from the postings of forummers last few days using the Iportfolio to "play about with 5 yrs data....
it seems that "ALL" are making positives returns in the last 5 years...
is the last 5 years Goldilocks years??
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That's what I noticed too.

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QUOTE(T231H @ Oct 31 2016, 10:25 AM)
from the postings of forummers last few days using the Iportfolio to "play about with 5 yrs data....
it seems that "ALL" are making positives returns in the last 5 years...
is the last 5 years Goldilocks years??
it has QE tightening, greece, brexit, US russia grumblings, oil prices dropped, 1MDB, Yuan devaluations.....etc, etc....
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methinks more importantly, it is the "spread of asset classes / sub-classes one is in AND still returns worthwhile" since funds / UTs comes/goes.

past 5 years data is not as good as 10, 20 or 40 (40 or more being the best since we invest that long - into our retirement BUT.. have to take with pinches of salt lar since half a decade+ difference laugh.gif

just my 0.02 thoughts notworthy.gif

dasecret kamsia kamsia for the sharing.
BTW - how/where U find such nice stuff ar?
from our local (now MIA) UTC?
just wondering what they provider "gets out of it" - WIIFM (What's In It For Me), coz i don't see any subscription / email request, etc.

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QUOTE(puchongite @ Oct 31 2016, 09:40 AM)
If the market continues to slide, this will just prove sifu Ramjade's theory ( that "it is a good time top up when market goes down" ) isn't a really good one. LOL.
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IMHO, not a good time to top up woh. Still can't see the light yet. Asian market is red at this moment.
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QUOTE(T231H @ Oct 31 2016, 10:25 AM)
from the postings of forummers last few days using the Iportfolio to "play about with 5 yrs data....
it seems that "ALL" are making positives returns in the last 5 years...
is the last 5 years Goldilocks years??
it has QE tightening, greece, brexit, US russia grumblings, oil prices dropped, 1MDB, Yuan devaluations.....etc, etc....
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from it, based on what you posted,...i think it emphasized on select a diversified portfolio, buy and hold for a longer period. Avoid frequent major reorganization of allocation for what ever reasons.
If it is true, than this article is relevant....
The process of constructing a diversified portfolio that achieves an investor's long-term investment objectives is very much like assembling a winning football team.
Investors should first have an asset allocation plan that is based on their own individual risk profile,
and after which, they will need to select the right investments in order to optimise their long-term portfolio returns.
In this aspect, unit trusts offer investors a good way to meet the challenges of asset allocation, as they offer the benefits of diversification and do not require a huge sum of investment capital.
As investment returns don't happen overnight, investors need to adopt a long-term view when it comes to investing, and not let short-term market fluctuations affect their emotions and investment decisions
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Mythbusting: Frequent Rebalancing Improves Portfolio Returns
https://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/resea...lio-Returns-566

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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Oct 31 2016, 10:38 AM)
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just wondering what they provider "gets out of it" - WIIFM (What's In It For Me), coz i don't see any subscription / email request, etc.
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if you continued to play about,..a pop up window will appears to ask you to subscribe....
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QUOTE(David3700 @ Oct 31 2016, 10:38 AM)
IMHO, not a good time to top up woh. Still can't see the light yet. Asian market is red at this moment.
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So you topup when market is green? shocking.gif
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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Oct 31 2016, 10:56 AM)
So you topup when market is green? shocking.gif
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do not catch a falling knife

buy in when the price starts an incline.

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QUOTE(Avangelice @ Oct 31 2016, 11:21 AM)
do not catch a falling knife

buy in when the price starts an incline.

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But you will never know when it's the lowest.
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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Oct 31 2016, 11:24 AM)
But you will never know when it's the lowest.
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Tis is known as 'art of investment' brows.gif
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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Oct 31 2016, 11:24 AM)
But you will never know when it's the lowest.
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QUOTE(wil-i-am @ Oct 31 2016, 11:27 AM)
Tis is known as 'art of investment'  brows.gif
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what he said. do not time the market it never bodes well plus we are buying our UTs at forward price so it's impossible to time it. just DCA will do.
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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Oct 31 2016, 11:24 AM)
But you will never know when it's the lowest.
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Yes, we do not know when is the lowest and we also unable to time the market.
But looking at below, TODAY may not be a good day to enter.
I am here for mid to long term investment, just my opinion to look for better market sentiment b4 entering.

P/s : If you have plentiful of spare bullets, then it is a different story.... biggrin.gif




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QUOTE(David3700 @ Oct 31 2016, 12:23 PM)
Yes, we do not know when is the lowest and we also unable to time the market.
But looking at below, TODAY may not be a good day to enter.
I am here for mid to long term investment, just my opinion to look for better market sentiment b4 entering.

P/s : If you have plentiful of spare bullets, then it is a different story.... biggrin.gif
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told you all that Hilary brings stability and trump is a total nut case regardless of her policy. trump is a very volatile nut case.

case to point this article.
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QUOTE(Avangelice @ Oct 31 2016, 12:56 PM)
told you all that Hilary brings stability and trump is a total nut case regardless of her policy. trump is a very volatile nut case.

case to point this article.
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Which is why we must support trump. With trump there's potential for US feds not to hike, may cause the USD to weaken (a very good thing or else you see everyrhing in Malaysia continue to increase in price - vege, fruits, etc), US, AP market will be on discount. Remember what goes down must go up.

If he becomes president, I am very sure USD will drop. We might see RM at 3.8x again biggrin.gif

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Clinton VS Trump – Does It Really Matter?
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Wells Fargo Asset Management - Do U.S. elections affect global markets?
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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Oct 31 2016, 01:02 PM)
Which is why we must support trump. With trump there's potential for US feds not to hike, may cause the USD to weaken (a very good thing or else you see everyrhing in Malaysia continue to increase in price - vege, fruits, etc), US, AP market  will be on discount. Remember what goes down must go up.

If he becomes president, I am very sure USD will drop. We might see RM at 3.8x again biggrin.gif
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dont be so quick to see the downfall of US economy as pink spider once say (on repeat) when us sneezes Asia runs a fever. us gets a fever Asia will lausai
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if you continued to play about,..a pop up window will appears to ask you to subscribe....
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heheh - thanks guv
my adblocker + anit-popups seem to have worked wonders, was monkeying around with it for awhile (1hr+/-)

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