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post Dec 11 2006, 01:54 AM, updated 17y ago

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Hi guys,

After did much survey and looking from each one Lynians workout journal here.

I'm inspired to do one for my own too.

Firstly,

I m now in 105kg

33.3%body fats

171cm

Im in the age of 17.

I have enrolled my gym yesterday and I'm going for an intensive weight loss program.

I don't mind about weight gain if there's muscle mass increased.

My target is I will lose 15kg in 3months.

I believe I can do it with u guys guidance and supports.

So,2moro I will be going for my first day gym. rclxm9.gif


Haha...Finally Im putting my BEFORE & AFTER PICS

after 2months+ , I feel dam great about myself.
I will never do it without u guys helping and teaching me all the way long.
Sometimes I did ask noob questions,But I really appreaciate u guys' help.
the first and second pic is my before pic.
Its during my school time....spm tat time la

I seriously started my workout and weight loss program at 20th dec 2006

Ok...I am not great in typing like what syd G did..but I really touched by her determination ...so I also decided to post up my photo la..without cutting my face..haha.

The last pic is my after pic which is taken last week...


Total lost 14.5kg for 3months +

[color=red]I just feel so reluctant to delete my first post.Now,gym = my life , I dedicate my life , my passion , my world to bodybuilding and fitness.
One day not going to gym , I feel uncomfortable . I love that feeling ,the feeling to strive harder to achieve my goals and I appreciate everything u guys have taught me here. Without u guys(especially Jones,Syd) , it won't have today me.

I have lost around 23kg (from 105 to 82-83) , Waist from 41 to 34-35.

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Let's see how it goes ... smile.gif

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good for you... all the best. and dun worry once you lose all the fat there.. chicks would be flocking for you..
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post Dec 11 2006, 11:16 AM

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good for u man ...
what program will u be on ?
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try to concentrate on treadmills at the moment. keep ur heart rate between 70-90% of your maximum bpm
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post Dec 11 2006, 09:08 PM

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Hey guys..

I just back from CF.

I'm sooo tired.

Morning,

Rushing down to Lowyat Plaza to help friend buy laptop.

I just ate for my breakfast

Quaker Oat - 1bowl
Half boiled Eggs-2 biji

Lunch I dont even hv time to eat..sigh...skipped

Then i went to CF for workout.

The personal trainer wants me to buy his 3months plan..I refused.

Then later he starting to simply teach...

Haiz..

He also critisized me that if I dun employ any PT...he say I sure cant achieve my goals...

what u guys think about?

I said to him...

I have my few friends who is experience in this field..they can help me and teach me.

and I also say i got always read on bb.com forums...

then he still insist that I cant succeed without him

what the fakkkkk

dam...how can a PT criticised ppl like that 1...

haiz..

anyway..he just teaching few machines to do with..

1st is treadmail for 15minutes...
then some weight training for 10-12reps..

I dont really know those machines names...


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post Dec 11 2006, 09:17 PM

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the moment a PT says u cant suceed without him
tell him to go fly a kite or suck his own ballz
their main motivation money and they could not care less about ur goals or well being
all they are worried about is their commision
dont waste ur time with them, its better to ask questions here

edit: realized i was generalizing, my bad
i'm sure there are good PTs out there but this is one u can do without




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they wanna $$ from u tats y keep convincing u to buy their plan...u adi can get free tips from all the sifu here...no need to pay extra to them... smile.gif smile.gif

oops just realised i was generalizing too...i'm sure there are good PTs out there but this is one u can do without..*sounds familiar,doesnt it?* tongue.gif tongue.gif tongue.gif

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post Dec 11 2006, 09:24 PM

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uhhh .....
i think this is the first time i'm saying it
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post Dec 11 2006, 09:50 PM

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Hey thanks u all sifus...

2moro going to gym also...weight training day....
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post Dec 11 2006, 10:03 PM

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lol dude.. i was like that in the begining too.. they asked me to enrol in their PT training but it was too expensive for me.. so i said no and they accepted it nicely.. but your case was crap.. it's one of the reasons y i gave up on fitness centres(notice i didn't use the word "gym".. cuz they aren't)..

i started off as a noob too.. 4-6 months down the line, i found my lifting haven and started to lift correctly and seriously.. i shut the whole gym up! ppl started to come to me for advice instead of the PTs.. heck, even one of the PTs wanted to workout with me so that he can learn a thing or two too..

as was asked b4.. waht program are u planning to use? ur a big guy... and u could slap on some serious muscles man.. make sure to choose one squat variation, one push and one press exercise.. add weight to the bar every workout, start small and u'll be a strong mofo in no time.. smile.gif good luck!
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post Dec 11 2006, 10:39 PM

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Guys this is my workout journal...erm...daily 1

Monday-Cardio

Tuesday-weight training ( Cardio little bit)

Wed-Cardio

Thur-Weight Training

Fri-Cardio

Sat-weight training...

My generally intake will be more on proteins.

eg.Eggs,chicken breast.....tuna....milk...

But the problem now Im facing is muscle ache....oh gosh..just the first day
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QUOTE(Canopies @ Dec 11 2006, 09:08 PM)
Hey guys..

The personal trainer wants me to buy his 3months plan..I refused.

Then later he starting to simply teach...

Haiz..

He also critisized me that if I dun employ any PT...he say I sure cant achieve my goals...

what u guys think about?

I said to him...

I have my few friends who is experience in this field..they can help me and teach me.

and I also say i got always read on bb.com forums...

then he still insist that I cant succeed without him

what the fakkkkk

dam...how can a PT criticised ppl like that 1...

haiz..

anyway..he just teaching few machines to do with..

1st is treadmail for 15minutes...
then some weight training for 10-12reps..

I dont really know those machines names...
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The PT is a self-inflated jackass who needs to learn2coach & learn2sell his services. What weight exercises are you doing? Just simple curls or do you have a workout routine planned out?


QUOTE(Canopies @ Dec 11 2006, 10:39 PM)
Guys this is my workout journal...erm...daily 1

But the problem now Im facing is muscle ache....oh gosh..just the first day
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Go go, feel the burn.
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QUOTE(malaysianPotato @ Dec 11 2006, 10:59 PM)
The PT is a self-inflated jackass who needs to learn2coach & learn2sell his services. What weight exercises are you doing? Just simple curls or do you have a workout routine planned out?
Go go, feel the burn.
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Need to remember those machine names....

I will post out when I got familiar with it.

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Damn the PT...

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QUOTE(Canopies @ Dec 11 2006, 10:39 PM)
But the problem now Im facing is muscle ache....oh gosh..just the first day
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Heh...it's a good sign you are working your muscles. Learn to love it.
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Bring a smal notepad. Write the names of the machines. At least we know which muscles ur working on biggrin.gif
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post Dec 12 2006, 02:08 PM

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hehe...thanks a lot...but 2day i cant go cuz nobody fetch me to ktm station..haizzzzz
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where are u staying?
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post Dec 12 2006, 02:16 PM

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hahah.. some one is startng a journal here..

anyway good luck. learn to lift. go to bodybuilding.com and do more research. don depend on the stupid PT.
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post Dec 13 2006, 06:59 PM

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13th December 2006

Workouts
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Today mostly on weight training day.
Don't really mark down because forgotten to take pen and notes...haih
But I did each set of the machines there.
Repetition 8-12


After doing each set of it.
I went for cardio classes.
It's a cycling studio...

Oh my God..It's tiring and tough..but the music caused me to be more concentrate...50minutes cardio but rested a lot.

Meals
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Breakfast-NONE



1pm-Pork noodles small (Mee+Meehon)

2pm-2 hardboiled eggs..just want to take proteins only.

6pm
- Sandwish with Tuna soaked in spring water,some tomatoes (using whole wheat bread)
-1 soup of the day(Letuce soup with some fuu zhok)
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No breakfast !!!! sweat.gif

Whyyyy whyyyyyyyy sad.gif
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post Dec 13 2006, 08:22 PM

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QUOTE(Syd G @ Dec 13 2006, 07:14 PM)
No breakfast !!!!  sweat.gif

Whyyyy whyyyyyyyy  sad.gif
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Y ?????

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Hmm...dailymuscle.com told me wert...

If u want to lose fats...dont eat breakfast ..

empty stomach will cause ur body to burn fats cos no more food inside...

www.dailymuscle.com

but mun blog oppose it but came out nothing good answer..sigh

www.munblog.com
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eat break fast
ALWAYS EAT breakfast regardless of whether u r trying to lose fat or gain muscle
i think what daily muscle preaches is cardio on an empty stomach
not no breakfast at all
cant be sure though
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QUOTE(Canopies @ Dec 13 2006, 08:40 PM)
Hmm...dailymuscle.com told me wert...

If u want to lose fats...dont eat breakfast ..

empty stomach will cause ur body to burn fats cos no more food inside...

www.dailymuscle.com

but mun blog oppose it but came out nothing good answer..sigh

www.munblog.com
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Eat a large breakfast comprised of carbs, protein, and a little fat. The point of consuming a large breakfast is that it "breaks" the "fast" from an overnight sleep. Upon waking, the muscles are primed to take in large amounts of calories (especially carbs) without inducing high levels of lipogenesis. besides that, a large breakfast will rev up the metabolism for the rest of the day. i think daily muscle was refering to morning cardio with an empty stomach , not skipping BREAKFAST !!! i don't have the dailymuscle article, but skipping breakfst is GHEY shakehead.gif

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Oic....

So we should not eat before cardio...

Then after cardio only take breakfast?

Hmm..but soon after my session..its already 11pm..is it still called breakfast?

OoO..

Breakfast = break the fast....lol
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breakfast means your first meal of the day. dont give a shit about the time
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post Dec 14 2006, 01:08 AM

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K I have to bring 2biji telur and 1 roti to gym edi...cos my train always so slow..then hv to take bus home..sigh..
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lol.. cook your telur there? i thought u buying the ON whey? drink your shake there la
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suddenly feel that it is so exp...plus gym membership...

mayb later la..now only start nia
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omg.. try to quit CF while u still can... u're wasting your money there... go join a small gym near yoiur area(kajang) u're better much off there.. u can do your cardio at home or around your neighborhood.. weights is what u need... not machines.. this is the advice i would give u.. cuz it is the surest and fastest way.. and by fastest it is provided u have the commitment and dedication to keep at it for 3-4 months before seeing an real results..
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Nah I cant quit....

I dont think CF will harm u anyway...

Its just convenient for me..

Ok..I wil do free weights then...but no one guide me...u can come and guide me?..lol..
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can but can't go in as i'm not a member..
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I can refer to u and u can come for 7days for free
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Yeah man....,quit CF and before you do that...,tell the PT to go finger F**k himself.
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QUOTE(Canopies @ Dec 15 2006, 03:59 PM)
I can refer to u and u can come for 7days for free
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maybe during january.. smile.gif
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NONO..i wont quit cf la...i got contract with them leh...12months ..if quit then i hv to pay rm600

CF is damn convenient for me laaaa

anyway..

who want to come here trial pls tell me...and hope some pros can guide me...

i really need help..cos i duno how to lift weights with right pose...a noob nia...sigh...
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i think most ppl would help u if u asked

but then i look like i'm gonna die when i lift
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QUOTE(nezzy @ Dec 16 2006, 07:09 PM)
i think most ppl would help u if u asked

but then i look like i'm gonna die when i lift
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what does it mean blink.gif ?

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Canopies CF got squat rack n free weights onot?

I want to learn fr carlsuen too biggrin.gif
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sure got la...hope can c u at CF MV....

I think he's coming to teach us ...January mah he said..I can help u all arrange cos I got friend working in CF MV....quite friendly la him..

Are u interested?

Anyone interested joining CF for 7days free???
Leave name pls
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QUOTE(T+1 @ Dec 16 2006, 08:01 PM)
what does it mean  blink.gif ?
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Seriously,

I don't even dare to go to the free weights area...

They look so ganas leh... blink.gif
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QUOTE(Canopies @ Dec 17 2006, 12:13 PM)
sure got la...hope can c u at CF MV....

I think he's coming to teach us ...January mah he said..I can help u all arrange cos I got friend working in CF MV....quite friendly la him..

Are u interested?

Anyone interested joining CF for 7days free???
Leave name pls
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wow wow wow can i join? i nvr do squats and dead lifts before. i wana learn too laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif but if carlsuen is being your guest.. how am i suppose to enter sweat.gif sweat.gif
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Huh..I can get 10ppl to become guests and 7days free trial la...no worries...laugh.gif
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serious ? ?? haha now i feel like going also
just for the fun of it
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QUOTE(Canopies @ Dec 17 2006, 07:14 PM)
Huh..I can get 10ppl to become guests and 7days free trial la...no worries...laugh.gif
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serious ? ?? haha now i feel like going also
just for the fun of it
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Yaya...cool cool..

COME COME COME...

I think January then we gather la...

when i start my college 1st...then I wif jones go CF lor...OK?

what about others?

January eh?


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can no prob as long u make it a weekend haha

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y so shy?

we shud be united in our common goal to look better and lift heavier
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LOL...

Im the fatest there...sigh...

Come come...mayb there's a future couple here....lalalala...

who knows?

Nezzy pls teach me how to do bench press and dead lift...

can I do it alone in future?...I saw they hv friends helping 1
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QUOTE(Canopies @ Dec 17 2006, 10:24 PM)
LOL...

Im the fatest there...sigh...

Come come...mayb there's a future couple here....lalalala...

who knows?

Nezzy pls teach me how to do bench press and dead lift...

can I do it alone in future?...I saw they hv friends helping 1
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sure y not

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but i'd prefer to have someone more experienced to teach

the worst thing that could happen is if i taught u the wrong form
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QUOTE(Canopies @ Dec 17 2006, 10:24 PM)
LOL...

Im the fatest there...sigh...


Come come...mayb there's a future couple here....lalalala...

who knows?

Nezzy pls teach me how to do bench press and dead lift...

can I do it alone in future?...I saw they hv friends helping 1
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haha...

then we should zek chao lor...

Nezzy...

I really thankful edi lor if u willing to teach us...hehe...I mean...US....
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QUOTE(nezzy @ Dec 17 2006, 10:28 PM)
sure y not

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but i'd prefer to have someone more experienced to teach

the worst thing that could happen is if i taught u the wrong form
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i thought carlsuen is going? lol he's teh pro here biggrin.gif

maybe darklight should join us LOL

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yeah get carlsuen and darklight to go

i wanna get my form checked too
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MMU got exam on the first week of january. So 2nd week onwards pls pls pls sweat.gif
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QUOTE(Syd G @ Dec 18 2006, 10:58 AM)
MMU got exam on the first week of january. So 2nd week onwards pls pls pls sweat.gif
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Ok..I think the best is after January 15 la...my college starts mah..same college wif jones..so we can arrange la..hehe..
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yeah sure no prob guys.. but the thing is i've been to CF for a 1 week trial b4.. do u think i'd still be able to go in?

and i'm not pro la.. darklight is.. but i'm pretty confident of my form.. should ask the guy who has starting strength.. he should be able to teach u EVEN more!
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QUOTE(Canopies @ Dec 18 2006, 06:57 PM)
Ok..I think the best is after January 15 la...my college starts mah..same college wif jones..so we can arrange la..hehe..
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yeah. most probably in the afternoon after lunch? around 1-3 pm. the time can be rearrange. we'll see who's available here 1st.
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QUOTE(Canopies @ Dec 17 2006, 07:14 PM)
Huh..I can get 10ppl to become guests and 7days free trial la...no worries...laugh.gif
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i also want to join! count me in biggrin.gif

is this considered the first gathering of Health & Fitness?
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CARLSUEN....OMG...why u dont say it earlier...

cannot edi la if u join before the trial....


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btw,any pros here ????

haha...so this gathering still going rite?
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Erm...

The requirement for the 7days free trial is

U MUST ABOVE 18YEAR OLD

YOU MUST BE THE FIRST TIMER

NO ADDITIONAL CHARGE

Hehe

SO HOW????
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Ok ...as Usual..

went to gym for Cardio today...

I still dunno those machines name...

But what I did is

Treadmill 10minutes
cycling 20minutes
Stepper 10minutes
Kick the sand bag ...using my taekwondo skills. 5minutes
1 machines duno wat name...like playing ice skating...20minutes

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QUOTE(T+1 @ Dec 19 2006, 10:15 AM)
i also want to join! count me in  biggrin.gif

is this considered the first gathering of Health & Fitness?
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yeah baby cheers.gif cheers.gif i told darklight about it and he might join us as well thumbup.gif where's the potato guy? lol

QUOTE(Canopies @ Dec 19 2006, 03:15 PM)
yaya

CARLSUEN....OMG...why u dont say it earlier...

cannot edi la if u join before the trial....
sighzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
btw,any pros here ????

haha...so this gathering still going rite?
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then we will all be on the 7 days trial.. carlsuen be your guest la.. easy right?
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QUOTE(Canopies @ Dec 19 2006, 03:22 PM)
Ok ...as Usual..

went to gym for Cardio today...

I still dunno those machines name...

But what I did is

Treadmill 10minutes
cycling 20minutes
Stepper 10minutes
Kick the sand bag ...using my taekwondo skills. 5minutes
1 machines duno wat name...like playing ice skating...20minutes
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That must be the Cardio-wave.
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QUOTE(Canopies @ Dec 19 2006, 03:22 PM)
Ok ...as Usual..

went to gym for Cardio today...

I still dunno those machines name...

But what I did is

Treadmill 10minutes
cycling 20minutes
Stepper 10minutes
Kick the sand bag ...using my taekwondo skills. 5minutes
1 machines duno wat name...like playing ice skating...20minutes
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quite a variations of cardio i see there.. how long it takes u to do everything? an hour?
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I suggest varying cardio every session... say jog one day, stepper one day and cycle one day instead of doing everything in one go. Cause if you need to lose weight then need to maintain 60% of max HR. So if you jump from one machine to another it's pretty hard to maintain the HR no?

But do whatever you enjoy doing @ the gym first. Else monotony will kill ya spirit too biggrin.gif

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QUOTE(Canopies @ Dec 19 2006, 03:18 PM)
Erm...

The requirement for the 7days free trial is

U MUST ABOVE 18YEAR OLD

YOU MUST BE THE FIRST TIMER

NO ADDITIONAL CHARGE

Hehe

SO HOW????
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to tired to do anything
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Yeah..pro nezzy joining us ...

I cant bring guest leh...

Just can bring frens who is first timers

I think darklight also tried the trial before edi..nt sure
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QUOTE(Canopies @ Dec 19 2006, 06:55 PM)
Yeah..pro nezzy joining us ...

I cant bring guest leh...

Just can bring frens who is first timers

I think darklight also tried the trial before edi..nt sure
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for goodness sake
plz dont call me a pro
i am a noob ( i am not being humble just truthful )
its only been a few months
since i started working out

i dont have the physique or strength i want
whatever good advice u may hear from me
is simply a repetition of what i've gotten from others
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sigh too bad I'm an ex cali fitness member. cant join sad.gif

maybe if you arrange at a hardcore gym carl and I can tag along.

and oh, unless darkie got a membership there, he cant join as well. He joined me for the 7day trial already.
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Even those machines name i also dunno

But today I met MASTER TRAINER in my Gym...
Oh gosh...he's soooo muscular and teaching to the PT...dam PT...not fit at all ...I can say they are fat nia...
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QUOTE(Canopies @ Dec 19 2006, 07:35 PM)
Even those machines name i also dunno

But today I met MASTER TRAINER in my Gym...
Oh gosh...he's soooo muscular and teaching to the PT...dam PT...not fit at all ...I can say they are fat nia...
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got belly
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QUOTE(Canopies @ Dec 19 2006, 07:35 PM)
Even those machines name i also dunno

But today I met MASTER TRAINER in my Gym...
Oh gosh...he's soooo muscular and teaching to the PT...dam PT...not fit at all ...I can say they are fat nia...
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gyahahahaha eh they found a new one? or is he boy (yes. thats his name. he looks like a pro bber.)

actually its their t shirt that makes them look fat. beneath most of them got 6pack.

just observe abit inthe locker.
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Oic...but they dont hv really nice body shape nia...

I can see their belly ...

I dont know is it muscle or not..

But I think...

MASTER TRAINER ROCKS

damn...he just like a body builder...
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QUOTE(Canopies @ Dec 19 2006, 07:43 PM)
Oic...but they dont hv really nice body shape nia...

I can see their belly ...

I dont know is it muscle or not..

But I think...

MASTER TRAINER ROCKS

damn...he just like a body builder...
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get his name and order PT sessions from him brows.gif

its prolly gonna cost you a few hundred for a session, but if you're an absolute noob, lazy to do research and read up, and you work out alone, you should get that.

on a side note, did you get the introduction PT session yet? Also, you can ask the PTs the name of this and that machine and how to do it correctly.
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why dont we just meet up in a gym which per-entry payment is possible
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QUOTE(jones007 @ Dec 19 2006, 10:24 PM)
why dont we just meet up in a gym which per-entry payment is possible
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most hardcore gyms are. I recommend terry gallyot's gym in wangsa maju

http://www.mrasia.bravehost.com/?sid=e52c1...50fa78dd7fb714c


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yeap.. there's a pro there.. terry is actually preparing for next year.. he's going pro.. so u guys can ask the real pro..
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gogo terry gayllot! wonder if cruz codero is coming with us this time smile.gif been a year since I met him
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wangsa maju i far LOL but it might be possible as a meet up location..
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Hey jones..u duno how to speak chinese 1 ah
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Hey jones..u duno how to speak chinese 1 ah
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QUOTE(jones007 @ Dec 19 2006, 11:27 PM)
wangsa maju i far LOL but it might be possible as a meet up location..
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once a year/lifetime why not

unless everyone wants to meet up at top gym right opposite of SMK pandan indah.
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QUOTE(Joey-kun @ Dec 19 2006, 11:24 PM)
gogo terry gayllot! wonder if cruz codero is coming with us this time smile.gif been a year since I met him
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i meet him frequently in celebrity fitness. he is getting bigger and bigger.
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LOL..

cos u saying ur banana man mah....

Ok cool then...Canton rulez

Hmm..

I just very very very confused

The stupid PT critisized me again...saying that my pose to do weight machines is totally wrong...damn...Its true la..i dunno how to do with right position..just 2 weeks nia...

Help me...who can help..come CF and teach me......T_T


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QUOTE(Canopies @ Dec 20 2006, 01:53 PM)
LOL..

cos u saying ur banana man mah....

Ok cool then...Canton rulez

Hmm..

I just very very very confused

The stupid PT critisized me again...saying that my pose to do weight machines is totally wrong...damn...Its true la..i dunno how to do with right position..just 2 weeks nia...

Help me...who can help..come CF and teach me......T_T
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u go there scold back that bloody PT la. "teach me then u stupid PT."
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Bloody PT...i told him tat if u teach me free..i might consider to employ u ...haha..

damn attitude...how to become successful?

If Im the PT,I will do my best to teach although the person dint employ me.
Then if the person realised that I'm good and dedicated to teach...then he will only automatic willingly to employ me as a pt ma...



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QUOTE(Canopies @ Dec 20 2006, 03:07 PM)
Bloody PT...i told him tat if u teach me free..i might consider to employ u ...haha..

damn attitude...how to become successful?

If Im the PT,I will do my best to teach although the person dint employ me.
Then if the person realised that I'm good and dedicated to teach...then he will only automatic willingly to employ me as a pt ma...
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Strange, usually the PT would happily correct me for free when they see me doing something wrong.

maybe if you ask politely how to do with an innocent and sweet face?
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QUOTE(Joey-kun @ Dec 20 2006, 03:43 PM)
Strange, usually the PT would happily correct me for free when they see me doing something wrong.

maybe if you ask politely how to do with an innocent and sweet face?
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then the PT will say. "PAY ME BABY!!! PAY ME NOW!"
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then the PT will say. "PAY ME BABY!!! PAY ME NOW!"
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QUOTE(Canopies @ Dec 20 2006, 03:07 PM)
Bloody PT...i told him tat if u teach me free..i might consider to employ u ...haha..

damn attitude...how to become successful?

If Im the PT,I will do my best to teach although the person dint employ me.
Then if the person realised that I'm good and dedicated to teach...then he will only automatic willingly to employ me as a pt ma...
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Tell him we said he needs to learn2stfu. Noone likes annoying know it all pt's who criticise but don't advice.
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QUOTE(Joey-kun @ Dec 20 2006, 03:47 PM)
lol dunno y he so unlucky laugh.gif all the PTs were polite to me laugh.gif
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different gym la.. california fitness.. as long as u keep a platinum Card in your pocket(even if its expired) they will treat u like their god LOL
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Damn...

Pt sucks...

Nowonder so many ppl say its just a rubbish...

Btw,

who willing come and teach me?

Im polite and innocent ler
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QUOTE(jones007 @ Dec 20 2006, 05:26 PM)
different gym la.. california fitness.. as long as u keep a platinum Card in your pocket(even if its expired) they will treat u like their god LOL
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1) I am a student just like you guys.
2) I'm a bronze member
3) I work out alone
4) the gym is california fitness in mid valley.
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yeap.. there's a pro there.. terry is actually preparing for next year.. he's going pro.. so u guys can ask the real pro..
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YEAH !!!
i second this
is his gym anywhere wangsa maju lrt station?
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QUOTE(nezzy @ Dec 20 2006, 06:38 PM)
YEAH !!!
i second this
is his gym anywhere wangsa maju lrt station?
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unfortunately, no.

http://mrasia.bravehost.com/UG.html

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QUOTE(Canopies @ Dec 20 2006, 01:53 PM)
LOL..

cos u saying ur banana man mah....

Ok cool then...Canton rulez

Hmm..

I just very very very confused

The stupid PT critisized me again...saying that my pose to do weight machines is totally wrong...damn...Its true la..i dunno how to do with right position..just 2 weeks nia...

Help me...who can help..come CF and teach me......T_T
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u can do workout beside someone undergoing personal training. then just listen and see how the personal trainer perform those exercises. icon_rolleyes.gif

personally, i prefer not to train with machines. it is much less effective. free weight training can induce more muscle growth as more muscles r recruited in movement (especially those stabilizer muscles).
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QUOTE(Joey-kun @ Dec 20 2006, 06:33 PM)
1) I am a student just like you guys.
2) I'm a bronze member
3) I work out alone
4) the gym is california fitness in mid valley.
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SO are u still joining CF member????

Pls meet around if can...I nid help here
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QUOTE(T+1 @ Dec 20 2006, 11:51 PM)
u can do workout beside someone undergoing personal training. then just listen and see how the personal trainer perform those exercises. icon_rolleyes.gif

personally, i prefer not to train with machines. it is much less effective. free weight training can induce more muscle growth as more muscles r recruited in movement (especially those stabilizer muscles).
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yeah. darklight and carlsuen curses ppl who uses smith machine. canopies. learn to use weights
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Come and teach me larrrrr

WTW,I scare my pose wrong and hurt my back lar...

I did a lot of mistake and pose wrong even though using machines nia...

Hope syd G can help me...omg ...so embarased
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QUOTE(jones007 @ Dec 21 2006, 02:11 AM)
yeah. darklight and carlsuen curses ppl who uses smith machine.
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QUOTE(Canopies @ Dec 21 2006, 01:09 PM)
Come and teach me larrrrr

WTW,I scare my pose wrong and hurt my back lar...

I did a lot of mistake and pose wrong even though using machines nia...

Hope syd G can help me...omg ...so embarased
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I had a PT to teach me things. But I often forget also biggrin.gif

Actually what's important is to know what the machine is for. Let say the chest press machine, right. First time I did I always feel pain @ shoulder. Duh. Then I started to concentrate on chest and 'Aha' moments kept appearing biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(Syd G @ Dec 21 2006, 01:27 PM)
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erm...bench press i use smith machine wor..must use free weight??kinda hard 4 me... sad.gif
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isnt that the point smile.gif

just use lighter weights



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http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=7

read the top 3 stickes there.. read the squat, deadlift and bench articles.. importance in that order..

do your research.. i had NO ONE to teach me when i first started.. if u want tsomething bad enough.. u'd find means to get it.. i've pointed to u the direction now just go ahead and wander off there.. u'll come out clearer.. watch more vids on youtube.. just type key words like, squat, bench, deadlift.. and read the comments to see if the form is correct..

u will learn alot there..
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Oic...Thanks a lot...But if u are willing to spend some time teach me..haha..btw,Thanks a lot
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lol canopies is so desperate until he is going around asking ppl to teach him. asking me, carlsuen, goliath and nezzy. be patient canopies.
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we'll charge u 50 bucks month. how does that sound? tongue.gif tongue.gif tongue.gif tongue.gif
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QUOTE(Canopies @ Dec 22 2006, 01:03 PM)
Oic...Thanks a lot...But if u are willing to spend some time teach me..haha..btw,Thanks a lot
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when I first started, no one taught me also. I just got a program and followed it.

whenever you find an exercise name you dont know, look it up in bodybuilding.com

stop whining and be a man. If I can train with the videos there, so can you.
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QUOTE(Joey-kun @ Dec 22 2006, 06:02 PM)
when I first started, no one taught me also. I just got a program and followed it.

whenever you find an exercise name you dont know, look it up in bodybuilding.com

stop whining and be a man. If I can train with the videos there, so can you.
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same same rclxms.gif we all started from nothing to something tongue.gif
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QUOTE(jones007 @ Dec 22 2006, 06:04 PM)
same same rclxms.gif we all started from nothing to something tongue.gif
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eh meetup how/when?
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canopies, can you learn from videos? if you cant, watch them for more than 100 times. Thats how I learnt. And not to mention being scolded by darkie too.

http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/2003/barbellsquat.wvx this is how you squat.

http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/2003/barbe...rontofknees.wvx this is how you do the deadlift

http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/2003/benchpressideview.wvx this is how you do the bench press

http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/2003/bentoverbarbellrow.wvx this is how you do your rows

http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/videos/2006/chinup.wvx chins

http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/videos/200...hestversion.wvx dips
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Just keep lifting la..u askk ppl to help how to help u?? do wat u learn la..then give it time to grow..haih...u think u grow this tall the moment ur mom deliver u to this earth meh? it takes time man =.= chill abit..
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QUOTE(E|dan @ Dec 22 2006, 06:34 PM)
Just keep lifting la..u askk ppl to help how to help u?? do wat u learn la..then give it time to grow..haih...u think u grow this tall the moment ur mom deliver u to this earth meh? it takes time man =.= chill abit..
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QUOTE(Canopies @ Dec 22 2006, 01:03 PM)
Oic...Thanks a lot...But if u are willing to spend some time teach me..haha..btw,Thanks a lot
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Ok...I will try my best to learn

If got any problems that I faced,I will post up to seek help

Is that Ok to u?
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Btw.whats the format U gave me?

I cant view it leh...
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Ok,

Today

What I did was

20minutes 7.5+-rate 0Incline 145+-HR running non stop on the treadmill...

Then 35minutes on the stationary bycycle. Lvl 10

Hey

Which machines is the best for cardio?

I tried stepper and it was tough like hell comparing to bycycle.

How to spell bycycle?..sighzzz
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If I run 7.5 0 incline on threadmill for 20 mins non stop my HR would maintain @ 175 everytime .

Stepper rocks. I hate bicycle.
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I think Its 175 HR la..I hard to grab on the steel to kira HR...

and IT SLOWSSSSSS zzz
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i've no bloody stamina lo.. running on threadmill at speed 7.5 i cant even last for 10 minutes =.=
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QUOTE(jones007 @ Dec 24 2006, 04:48 PM)
i've no bloody stamina lo.. running on threadmill at speed 7.5 i cant even last for 10 minutes =.=
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It's okay. Three months ago I cant even run 7.0 for more than 2 minutes laugh.gif Build your stamina slowly hor. You'll enjoy the after-cardio heat flush brows.gif

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i've no bloody stamina lo.. running on threadmill at speed 7.5 i cant even last for 10 minutes =.=
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Hmm..the best thing is listening the CNN,National G and MTV ....so u will forget actually u are running...haha...
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My mp3 player helped A LOT! I use the new 2nd gen iPod Shuffle.

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- Black Eyed Peas - Pump It (BEST JOGTUNE EVER!)
- Bodyrockers - I Like the Way You Move (HOT HOT HOT)
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running on the threadmill sux

it gets boring real fast

i usually do a ten minute brisk walk post workout
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running on the threadmill sux

it gets boring real fast

i usually do a ten minute brisk walk post workout
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QUOTE(Syd G @ Dec 25 2006, 01:10 PM)
My mp3 player helped A LOT! I use the new 2nd gen iPod Shuffle.

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i have 1.4k songs on my sony NW-A3000 mp3 player tongue.gif tongue.gif tongue.gif
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Hmm...dailymuscle.com told me wert...

If u want to lose fats...dont eat breakfast ..

empty stomach will cause ur body to burn fats cos no more food inside...

www.dailymuscle.com

but mun blog oppose it but came out nothing good answer..sigh

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Here you go again.. misunderstanding my posts. I meant cardio on an empty stomach and having your breakfast AFTER that, not skipping your breakfast entirely. I honestly think you should buy a few fitness magazines and read them, and not waste your time in front of the computer taking everything you read for face value.
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Here you go again.. misunderstanding my posts. I meant cardio on an empty stomach and having your breakfast AFTER that, not skipping your breakfast entirely. I honestly think you should buy a few fitness magazines and read them, and not waste your time in front of the computer taking everything you read for face value.
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wat is mia...haha

sigh...juz bck from pangkor...so dark edi..

will continue my journey...


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Oh mayb i mistaken..thanks a lot..

anyway,

for me i think i dont sempat to take breakfast cos after my cardio i already in 12pm...is that called breakfast?

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QUOTE(Canopies @ Dec 31 2006, 03:47 PM)
wat is mia...haha

sigh...juz bck from pangkor...so dark edi..

will continue my journey...
daily muscle,

Oh mayb i mistaken..thanks a lot..

anyway,

for me i think i dont sempat to take breakfast cos after my cardio i already in 12pm...is that called breakfast?
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i've no bloody stamina lo.. running on threadmill at speed 7.5 i cant even last for 10 minutes =.=
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QUOTE(shadowjass @ Dec 31 2006, 06:30 PM)
same here...i run at 7.0....can only last for 5 mins.. shakehead.gif
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anyway hows the gathering going?
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u girl leh.. i'm a guy with balls = = damn!

anyway hows the gathering going?
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both of u m.i.a last week
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QUOTE(shadowjass @ Dec 31 2006, 06:30 PM)
same here...i run at 7.0....can only last for 5 mins.. shakehead.gif
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aren't canopies & u the organizers?

both of u m.i.a last week
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Oh gosh...I lost 8kg edi...yeeha...

doing cardio and weight training...now going for squat training ...bench press also..hehe...free weights area here i come...

before that Im too shy to go there but now....yeah yeah...bye machines...

hey..its a good improvement for me...lolx...in my life,i never lost weight before...feeling that im a genetic guy..zzz..

but now..yeah..8kg lost...aiming more!!!
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i demand a before and after pic!!
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lolx...u meet me tat time edi thinner a bit lar...dam...i deleted my naked pic la..coz suddenly my girl friend wanan come my house wan borrow my cam...T_T....so....nid to find out..hmm..
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Oh gosh...I lost 8kg edi...yeeha...

doing cardio and weight training...now going for squat training ...bench press also..hehe...free weights area here i come...

before that Im too shy to go there but now....yeah yeah...bye machines...

hey..its a good improvement for me...lolx...in my life,i never lost weight before...feeling that im a genetic guy..zzz..

but now..yeah..8kg lost...aiming more!!!
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QUOTE(Canopies @ Dec 11 2006, 09:08 PM)
Hey guys..

I just back from CF.

I'm sooo tired.

Morning,

Rushing down to Lowyat Plaza to help friend buy laptop.

I just ate for my breakfast

Quaker Oat - 1bowl
Half boiled Eggs-2 biji

Lunch I dont even hv time to eat..sigh...skipped

Then i went to CF for workout.

The personal trainer wants me to buy his 3months plan..I refused.

Then later he starting to simply teach...

Haiz..

He also critisized me that if I dun employ any PT...he say I sure cant achieve my goals...

what u guys think about?

I said to him...

I have my few friends who is experience in this field..they can help me and teach me.

and I also say i got always read on bb.com forums...

then he still insist that I cant succeed without him

what the fakkkkk

dam...how can a PT criticised ppl like that 1...

haiz..

anyway..he just teaching few machines to do with..

1st is treadmail for 15minutes...
then some weight training for 10-12reps..

I dont really know those machines names...
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What to do, nowadays everybody talk about money money and money. If I have to hire a PT, I definitely won't hire those small size PT, better hire trainer like TerryGallyot, Wong Hong and others. The price are almost the same.

That's why big gyms like Fitness First or Celebrity Fitness may not be good without a good trainer.
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LOL....

actually i started serious after i came bck from my graduation trip...i eat a lot during that trip..LOL..

that time was 20/12/06 ...

so today was 6/2/06...

1 month + lar...
lost 5kg in the first month ...then later on lost 3kg in the next 2weeks...

My jeans getting looser lar...dam..nid use belt...i still remember last time my jeans was so tight...but now...its fit and still gt some space left...haha..

everyday i targeted myself must burn 1000calories...on cardio day lar..

weight training actually i don't do it often unlike syd G and u...hmm..whats the reason?

because i feel that cardio reli more effective ba..but i still do weight training on saturday ..in body pump class..and weekdays will hv 1 day for weight training...

and now im heading towards free weights area as before im too shy to go there...haha...

overall...i will get my before and after pic lar...but i nid to find...busy lar.juz finish spm then nid to go study..haiz..

ok..now i targeting 10kg before cny...
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I do weight training cause it was the only motivation I had to go to gym.
If cardio alone then I already cabut long time already biggrin.gif. Besides, how many girls you know can bench? biggrin.gif

Hey did you check your bf%?
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I do weight training cause it was the only motivation I had to go to gym.
If cardio alone then I already cabut long time already biggrin.gif. Besides, how many girls you know can bench? biggrin.gif

Hey did you check your bf%?
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eh my gym got girl doing deadlifts wei

got one doing olympic lifts somemore

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FF cant do OL pfft .

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ours got a special spot

deadlifts, snatches, cleans all there

but the floor uneven already
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dam..i dunno cf gt deadlift or not..dam it seems so important lar..haha...

i dint say i do cardio alone...i did cardio more than weight training...thats all..

body fat i havent check lar..nid pay money la...rm60 la..shitzzz...

but i feel that my breast edi become smaller and tummy smaller if compared to last time..lolx...
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Wah need to pay? RM60 summore? That's cruel, man

I hv the machine. Come to think about it I will be free CNY week. A one week pass wont be so bad tongue.gif

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lol...i will try to buy the clipper lar..haha..
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QUOTE(Canopies @ Feb 7 2007, 06:48 PM)
dam..i dunno cf gt deadlift or not..dam it seems so important lar..haha...

i dint say i do cardio alone...i did cardio more than weight training...thats all..

body fat i havent check lar..nid pay money la...rm60 la..shitzzz...

but i feel that my breast edi become smaller and tummy smaller if compared to last time..lolx...
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deadlift is not a machine/equipment...it's a form of strength training...u learn it in Body Pump also...correct me if i am wrong.

I think u shouldn't go overboard on cardio...strength training is equally important too...when u build more muscle it's easier for u to burn fat. plus if u do too much cardio and u r not eating enough, ur body will burn muscle for energy...So, u actually lose muscle. Thus, don't depend on the weighing scale too much. You might be losing muscle mass and not necesarily fat.

RM60...huh? sweat.gif got such thing? u got free PT sessions when u first joined right? If yes, ur PT should have taken ur weight and BF% by then.


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lol...i will try to buy the clipper lar..haha..
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buy only if u know how to use it correctly...or else u won't get the correct measurement of BF%...guess it's better for u to buy weighing scale ...those with BF% one...

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dam..i dunno cf gt deadlift or not..dam it seems so important lar..haha...
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I never try before coz lazy to shift stuff sweat.gif
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Send my regards to those girls wink.gif One day I hope to do Oly lifts.

FF cant do OL pfft .
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haha.tats wat i mean..

man,i got do weight training lar...zzz...

just eg ... cardio 3day weight training 2day...i can show u my muscle oo..lolx


Added on February 17, 2007, 9:41 amOk....loss 10 kg in 2months...

before and after looks really a shock to me...lol...


Added on February 28, 2007, 8:29 pmok...today i did cardio for 1hour ..burned 1088 calories

and then go play basketball for around 30minutes..wif frens

then makan chicken rice...2karipap...dinner normal rice and vege and meat..


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ok..i lost 10.5kg now...

2months time...

sigh..my abs so pain..T_T..yesterday i did more than 100times abs ...lolx...
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lost 10kg? thats one hell of an achievement man. keep it up. and way. dont do sit ups more than 100 times. do weighted sit ups. and spread it up to 2-3 sets
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lolx..guess what?

i cant do sit ups more than 10times!!!
i will collapse

during body pump that time they require u to do pumping,i always curi ayam with 1 knee laying on the floor.


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QUOTE(Canopies @ Mar 1 2007, 04:52 PM)
ok..i lost 10.5kg now...

2months time...

sigh..my abs so pain..T_T..yesterday i did more than 100times abs ...lolx...
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sit up and pumping is the same?

i dunno...

i din do pumping..

i do 100times abs crunch + the machine like u push the grill up and ur body automatic will up 1...haha..u can see it when u just go up the stair ...
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abs=sit ups swt. doing 100 times gona burn away your muscle
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abs get resistant to training very fast, plus it comes when you get strong in other exercises.
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very fast? i thought weighted sit ups is more effective?
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very fast? i thought weighted sit ups is more effective?
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real abs stick out despite of fats.
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oh now thats something i dont know. where u got that info?
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oh now thats something i dont know. where u got that info?
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lets just say that I saw a fat guy with 6packs. he wasnt exactly obese but yuo can see his sides and spare tyre (6packs still visible) are filled with fats yet can see 6pack.

do the math.
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i dont know the math. = ="
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i dont know the math. = ="
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er.. conclusion? increase in sit ups motion or weighted sit ups prevails?
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QUOTE(jones007 @ Mar 1 2007, 07:42 PM)
er.. conclusion? increase in sit ups motion or weighted sit ups prevails?
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oh i see.. this is wat u mean. ok thx. lets head back to the chat thread and leave the TS' journal alone lol
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lol...eh dun leave..i think i have six pack too...but filled with fats...

eh jones u havent tell me how much is ur body fat?

are u going to make ur own journal here?

cool though!!!
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yeah yeah...woohooo...i more than u 6% nia....

sigh..but u looks so slim..T_T

but i think my body fat percentage going to loose down cos i feel that my spare tyre becoming small and my breast also...haha
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QUOTE(Canopies @ Mar 1 2007, 09:42 PM)
yeah yeah...woohooo...i more than u 6% nia....

sigh..but u looks so slim..T_T

but i think my body fat percentage going to loose down cos i feel that my spare tyre becoming small and my breast also...haha
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Journals are useless if u dont update.

That statement applies to mine as well.
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so???

u seems sarcastic eh...

as long as i got my results that i wanted.

I don't mind about whether i should update everyday like u all did or i just report my results few weeks later.

I have my own way...mayb i shouldn't put the word journal?

ok i will try to change it to more suitable word


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QUOTE(Joey-kun @ Mar 1 2007, 09:47 PM)
any pickturs?
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HMm..I dont hv the naked upper body of my picture ...before that I have taken it..but my fren (girl) she suddenly wan ask me to lend her my camera. So, I terpaksa delete it and that time my pc send to repair..

Btw,u can know the difference when u see the before and after of me without naked upper body la.

so should i post my looks at here...msn msg me la.. hmm.gif

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QUOTE(Canopies @ Mar 1 2007, 10:22 PM)
so???

u seems sarcastic eh...

as long as i got my results that i wanted.

I don't mind about whether i should update everyday like u all did or i just report my results few weeks later.

I have my own way...mayb i shouldn't put the word journal?

ok i will try to change it to more suitable word


Added on March 1, 2007, 10:25 pm

HMm..I dont hv the naked upper body of my picture ...before that I have taken it..but my fren (girl) she suddenly wan ask me to lend her my camera. So, I terpaksa delete it and that time my pc send to repair..

Btw,u can know the difference when u see the before and after of me without naked upper body la.

so should i post my looks at here...msn msg me la.. hmm.gif
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there's no need to get defensive. but then again whats the use of a journal that you dont update? show off? Anyway in bbing you're supposed to keep a journal either online or offline to track your progress. Any serious bber will screw you up and down, left and right for not keeping one.

I know I got my share with darklight.

with or w/o shirt dosent matter that much, but w/o shirt can see the cuts properly and tell if it's fat or muscle.



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QUOTE(Canopies @ Mar 1 2007, 10:22 PM)
so???

u seems sarcastic eh...

as long as i got my results that i wanted.

I don't mind about whether i should update everyday like u all did or i just report my results few weeks later.

I have my own way...mayb i shouldn't put the word journal?

ok i will try to change it to more suitable word


Added on March 1, 2007, 10:25 pm

HMm..I dont hv the naked upper body of my picture ...before that I have taken it..but my fren (girl) she suddenly wan ask me to lend her my camera. So, I terpaksa delete it and that time my pc send to repair..

Btw,u can know the difference when u see the before and after of me without naked upper body la.

so should i post my looks at here...msn msg me la.. hmm.gif
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there's no need to get defensive. but then again whats the use of a journal that you dont update? show off? Anyway in bbing you're supposed to keep a journal either online or offline to track your progress. Any serious bber will screw you up and down, left and right for not keeping one.

I know I got my share with darklight.

with or w/o shirt dosent matter that much, but w/o shirt can see the cuts properly and tell if it's fat or muscle.



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QUOTE(Canopies @ Mar 1 2007, 10:22 PM)
so???

u seems sarcastic eh...

as long as i got my results that i wanted.

I don't mind about whether i should update everyday like u all did or i just report my results few weeks later.

I have my own way...mayb i shouldn't put the word journal?

ok i will try to change it to more suitable word


Added on March 1, 2007, 10:25 pm

HMm..I dont hv the naked upper body of my picture ...before that I have taken it..but my fren (girl) she suddenly wan ask me to lend her my camera. So, I terpaksa delete it and that time my pc send to repair..

Btw,u can know the difference when u see the before and after of me without naked upper body la.

so should i post my looks at here...msn msg me la.. hmm.gif
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there's no need to get defensive. but then again whats the use of a journal that you dont update? show off? Anyway in bbing you're supposed to keep a journal either online or offline to track your progress. Any serious bber will screw you up and down, left and right for not keeping one.

and no, she's not being sacarstic. thats how most bbers talk. U say things like that in bb.com u kena lagi hebat. dont be a ninny.

I know I got my share with darklight.

with or w/o shirt dosent matter that much, but w/o shirt can see the cuts properly and tell if it's fat or muscle.

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triple post >_>

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LOL...okok...whatever

i will just update my results only...

cheer .

sorry for that


Added on March 6, 2007, 9:59 pmI have updated my BEFORE and After Pics at the 1st page.

OK...what I regreted the most is this ...I dint manage to take my naked upper body before I started my weight loss journey.Haha..before that I did,but my fren(Girl) wanna pinjam my cam..so i deleted it and forgotten to upload into com...

SEriously,I cant believe what I have done ...
During my whole 17years...I have never loss any weight before..
Since I was born,I just look bigger size than anyone else...
and from standard 3-form5..my weight gaining sooo fast...
standard 6 i already have 65kgs...
what about later?

So,I can tell myself that this is the greatest achievement in my life that I have ever done.

What I have learned in this is all about determination.
Just tell ur mind that U are able to do it and U will surely did it.

Although I still have long way to go...But I always tell myself,

NO matter how tough is the journey...I will never give up on my goals.. icon_rolleyes.gif

I really thankful becoz I have such supportive group at LYN who always give me good info and disiplin me sometimes though...haha...thanks !!! notworthy.gif

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QUOTE(Canopies @ Mar 2 2007, 07:39 PM)
LOL...okok...whatever

i will just update my results only...

cheer .

sorry for that


Added on March 6, 2007, 9:59 pmI have updated my BEFORE and After Pics at the 1st page.

OK...what I regreted the most is this ...I dint manage to take my naked upper body before I started my weight loss journey.Haha..before that I did,but my fren(Girl) wanna pinjam my cam..so i deleted it and forgotten to upload into com...

SEriously,I cant believe what I have done ...
During my whole 17years...I have never loss any weight before..
Since I was born,I just look bigger size than anyone else...
and from standard 3-form5..my weight gaining sooo fast...
standard 6 i already have 65kgs...
what about later?

So,I can tell myself that this is the greatest achievement in my life that I have ever done.

What I have learned in this is all about determination.
Just tell ur mind that U are able to do it and U will surely did it.

Although I still have long way to go...But I always tell myself,

NO matter how tough is the journey...I will never give up on my goals.. icon_rolleyes.gif

I really thankful becoz I have such supportive group at LYN who always give me good info and disiplin me sometimes though...haha...thanks !!! notworthy.gif
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Thanks for viewing.... notworthy.gif


Added on March 6, 2007, 10:24 pmdam...now i wanna find bck the PT who say I cant succeed without him!!!

but he like kena pecat edi..lolx

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Weight loss is a tough journey, man notworthy.gif.. I'm so glad it paid off for ya

It's good that you posted your picture up - with FACE summore. More guts than most of us here hahahhaha biggrin.gif biggrin.gif biggrin.gif

Keep doing what you're doing. Weight loss going are to be tougher after you lost some substantial weight but dont give up!! Since you have jones with you, should be no problem for gym motivation ya wink.gif
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QUOTE(Syd G @ Mar 6 2007, 10:50 PM)
Weight loss is a tough journey, man notworthy.gif.. I'm so glad it paid off for ya

It's good that you posted your picture up - with FACE summore. More guts than most of us here hahahhaha biggrin.gif biggrin.gif biggrin.gif

Keep doing what you're doing. Weight loss going are to be tougher after you lost some substantial weight but dont give up!! Since you have jones with you, should be no problem for gym motivation ya wink.gif
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Thanks ya!!! actually u are the one who motivates me all the way long la...haha...others also lar...but u are the one who gone through the pain at the same time ma...thanks for viewing!!! notworthy.gif


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QUOTE(Hean @ Mar 6 2007, 10:57 PM)
Loves thread with pictures. U really slim down d~ Congratz!
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haha..seriously?

act i also cant imagine la..

my pants now really....lol....jeans become a hip hop pants

from 41 waist slim down to 37inch now...but still using the pants...lol... icon_question.gif

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lookie here. somebody post up some picture leh biggrin.gif biggrin.gif biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(Canopies @ Mar 6 2007, 11:17 PM)
Thanks ya!!! actually u are the one who motivates me all the way long la...haha...others also lar...but u are the one who gone through the pain at the same time ma...thanks for viewing!!! notworthy.gif
auww...shucks blush.gif

Guess what. I got motivated by reading a man's journey losing 30 pounds in 3 months to get married. He recorded every single meal with timing, workouts and the sorts. The reason why I poked you the other day for not updating is that IF ONLY you updated, you might hv motivated other people too wink.gif

But one is never too late to start. And I TOTALLY understand exactly the 'jeans' happiness factor! But keep the good work and you may not even be able to wear ur jeans cause it's soooo loose biggrin.gif



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what if i just bought a 32 jean where my waist is only 31 biggrin.gif biggrin.gif
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Haha...But so bad la...my journal everyday is just like the same.

My food was the same ...workout also not much different.
so its just like my timetable...routines...

Morning-oats+milk

Afternoon-chicken rice without skins

Dinner-Normal food cooked from grandma...vege+meat+rice+soup

Today I do cardio for 1hour burned 1k calories .

Then later I go play basketball a while lar...

then later i go to my college lor...
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after u start rippe toe u need journal to record everything down la
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friday teach me wor...haha

Oi,sometimes i cant resist from the bac food store lar...selling karipap...so tasty...Grrr...all my frens eating nasi lemak and I'm just seeing them eat...lol...suffer T _t

U got buy the foods there or not?

drinks?

Mostly drink i take nescafe kosong ..no sugar...no milk...haha...

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i go mamak eat white rice with lots of curry kambing and vege. thats all
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curry= santan .....lol

Oi...u know why the chinese foodcourt beside bac 1 chicken rice so dam expensive 1??? ...rm5 per chicken rice...

opposite 1 only rm4 larrr...

swt today me not enuff money to pay him...haha...only got rm4.90
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he say nvm ...so expensive lar...

dunno wat so special...

Oi..u wanna buy creatine or not?
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LOL....no one drops replies here...

Anyway , today jones taught me mark rippetoe program.

So,I will mark down something at least.

Squats ...
Benchpress
Deadlift

Sigh...I forgotten the weight...nvm nvm..i will record it next time.

Daily intake

Morning- Wantan Mee ( Can't resist from it ..went to college too early)

Afternoon- Chicken rice without skins and white rice .

Dinner- Small portion of rice with yongtaofoo and some veges...


Added on March 10, 2007, 2:45 pmI'm going to post my full squat and deadlift video clip soon.

Hope someone will correct me ...

2day I went to gym for cardio and some lightweight cos wanna heal my pain ...

morning- milk + tuna bread(Jones recipe) Haha..really nice but I dun hv enuff cili sos T_T

Afternoon - Lat Tong spicy soup with pork and chicken , Rice

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I'm going to post my full squat and deadlift video clip soon.

Hope someone will correct me ...

2day I went to gym for cardio and some lightweight cos wanna heal my pain ...

morning- milk + tuna bread(Jones recipe) Haha..really nice but I dun hv enuff cili sos T_T

Afternoon - Lat Tong spicy soup with pork and chicken , Rice

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please, do not do any workouts during rest days, they're for your muscles to recover.
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Oic...I thought lifting light weight eg.3kg can helps u reduce the pain? mine is super light la...just 5kg
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Oic...I thought lifting light weight eg.3kg can helps u reduce the pain? mine is super light la...just 5kg
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QUOTE(Joey-kun @ Mar 10 2007, 05:02 PM)
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rest for 1 day 1st. if still very pain then try to do light lifting la.
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QUOTE(jones007 @ Mar 11 2007, 03:07 AM)
lol
rest for 1 day 1st. if still very pain then try to do light lifting la.
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Thanks bro...still have long way to go !
Need alot of determination and sacrifices ..
but once u adapted it as a lifestyle , then nothing will block u edi
Anyway, really thankyou for your encouragement!!!
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QUOTE(Canopies @ Mar 6 2007, 03:17 PM)
haha..seriously?

act i also cant imagine la..

my pants now really....lol....jeans become a hip hop pants

from 41 waist slim down to 37inch now...but still using the pants...lol... icon_question.gif
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either bone or u have more muscle mass than him
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QUOTE(aimleeds @ Mar 24 2007, 07:17 PM)
aiyo, you are around 82.5kg now rite? but how come ur waist is 37? mine is 36 and my weight is 99.1 kg.. what make me heavy eh?
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hey ur siggy looks like a scam...mod pls take note of it
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Sorry for u.

After doing research and read the bb.com mark rippetoe starting strength more than 10times ...I decided to follow the program seriously .

After Jones teaching , I think I'm able to do it myself .So today I started my first day of Mark rippetoe Program.

So now I realize journal is damn important ...lolx

Workout B (Day 1)

Squats 3x5
Warm up
20kg Bar weight
25lbs------20kg-----25lbs

Real sets
35lbs -----20kg------35lbs

Standing MP 3x5
Warm up

Bar weight

Real sets
2.5lbs------20kg-----2.5lbs ( T_T)

Pendlay rows 3x5
Warm up
5lbs------20kg-----5lbs
10lbs-----20kg-----10lbs

Real sets
35lbs------20kg------35lbs

Chin ups 2x8 ( weighted 19kg )

Sit ups 2x8 (35lbs)

Tricep with rope 1....dunno call wat
2 X 8


Added on March 30, 2007, 7:35 pmBreakfast - 2 AAA size egg white . Oats + water

Lunch - chicken rice without skin

Dinner - normal dinner food ...grandma cook (super less rice )

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Real sets
35lbs------20kg------35lbs

so damn confusing rclxub.gif just do something like my journal

warm up
1x5xbar
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real sets
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QUOTE(Canopies @ Mar 30 2007, 07:32 PM)
Workout B (Day 1)

Squats 3x5 
Warm up
20kg Bar weight
25lbs------20kg-----25lbs

Real sets
35lbs -----20kg------35lbs

Standing MP 3x5
Warm up

Bar weight

Real sets
2.5lbs------20kg-----2.5lbs ( T_T)



Dinner - normal dinner food ...grandma cook (super less rice )
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omg, u r darn creative laugh.gif
i draw a barbell for u to show the weight u lift
2.5lbs - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 2.5lbs
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- - - 20kg

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QUOTE(jones007 @ Mar 30 2007, 11:07 PM)
Real sets
35lbs------20kg------35lbs

so damn confusing rclxub.gif just do something like my journal
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QUOTE(T+1 @ Mar 30 2007, 11:13 PM)
omg, u r darn creative  laugh.gif
i draw a barbell for u to show the weight u lift
2.5lbs - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -    2.5lbs
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bodybuilding.com forum members voted mark rippetoe hardest set is Standing MP ...haha

dam tough lar...just 5lbs sad sad...syd G u can lift how many lbs?
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Military Press? Same as yours but 13kg bar instead of 20kg. 27% of bodyweight
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MP is indeed the hardest, the most insane, the most extreme workout. dude its just killing me man. for one month until now the last workout of the month only i am confident to add weights later. and its gona be 2.5 lbs each side only ~_~
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QUOTE(jones007 @ Mar 31 2007, 01:24 PM)
MP is indeed the hardest, the most insane, the most extreme workout. dude its just killing me man. for one month until now the last workout of the month only i am confident to add weights later. and its gona be 2.5 lbs each side only ~_~
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say this in powerlifting forums, u'll be laughed at till no tomorrow. ever tried standing overhead squats? Try that,i did that with 95lbs and I cudn't complete 2 reps. biggrin.gif
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He mean the workout set in mark rippetoe only
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QUOTE(pizzaboy @ Mar 31 2007, 06:30 PM)
say this in powerlifting forums, u'll be laughed at till no tomorrow. ever tried standing overhead squats? Try that,i did that with 95lbs and I cudn't complete 2 reps. biggrin.gif
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never tried that before. but that looks dangerous to me. its like u need lots of strength to balance up. pushing from behind is nuts laugh.gif
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LOL....

15kg in 3months now.

January 5kg
Febuary 5kg
March 5kg


Added on April 3, 2007, 8:04 pmWorkout A
Week 1 day 1 2/4/2007(Monday)
(LBS)

Squats

Warm up
1x5xbar
1x5x40
1x5x70

Real sets
3x5x80

Bench Press

Warm up
1x5xbar
1x5x10
1x5x20

Real sets
3x5x40

Deadlift

Warm up
1x5x50

Real sets
1x5x70

Mis

Dips
2x8
Back Extension
1x8
1x8x25
Barbell curl
2x8x70

Ps:Too tired yesterday.Official Mark Rippetoe program starts on this day.


Added on April 3, 2007, 8:07 pmToday,

45minutes cardio(851calories) on cross trainer + 30minutes of basketball .

Breakfast: -
Lunch : chicken rice with white rice and without skin
Tea time : economic mee+meehoon
Dinner : Normal food (less rice)

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Added on April 5, 2007, 9:30 pmWorkout B
Week 1 day 2 05 April (Wednesday)

Squats

Warm Up
1x5xbar
1x5x50
1x5x70

Real Sets
3x5x90

Standing Military Press

Warm Up
1x5xbar
1x5x5

Real Sets
2x5x6
1x5x5

Pendlay Rows

Warm Up
1x5xbar
1x5x20

Real Sets
3x5x50

Accessory

Chin Up
2x8
Declined Sit Up
2x8
Triceps
2x8

Notes
1. MP damn tough .Tried to add 5lbs more also tough.
2.Squats weight improved from 70 ----> 90lbs



Cheated Meal :
2 pcs of waffle pie with chocolate and peanut butter ....OMG,damn cheap!...

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Added on April 5, 2007, 9:30 pmWorkout B
Week 1 day 2  05 April (Wednesday)

Squats

Warm Up
1x5xbar
1x5x50
1x5x70

Real Sets
3x5x90

Standing Military Press

Warm Up
1x5xbar
1x5x5

Real Sets
2x5x6
1x5x5

Pendlay Rows

Warm Up
1x5xbar
1x5x20

Real Sets
3x5x50

Accessory

Chin Up
2x8
Declined Sit Up
2x8
Triceps
2x8

Notes
1. MP damn tough .Tried to add 5lbs more also tough.
2.Squats weight improved from 70 ----> 90lbs
Cheated Meal :
2 pcs of waffle pie with chocolate and peanut butter ....OMG,damn cheap!...
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Added on April 6, 2007, 9:27 pmWorkout A
Week 1 day 3 6/4/2007(Monday)
(LBS)

Squats

Warm up
1x5xbar
1x5x40
1x5x70

Real sets
3x5x90

Bench Press

Warm up
1x5xbar
1x5x10
1x5x20

Real sets
3x5x40

Deadlift

Warm up
1x5x50

Real sets
1x5x70

Mis

Dips
2x8
Back Extension
1x8x25
1x8x25
Barbell curl
2x8x70

Ps : Nothing much for today . Squats improved . Now aiming for more !!! icon_rolleyes.gif

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hey u dont have to do direct arm workouts. i'm doing it because my triceps and biceps are imbalace. for u u dont have to do. doing squats will give u big arms as well
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Canopies u calculate without bar? Ur real set is 90+bar? Nice biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(Syd G @ Apr 9 2007, 02:51 PM)
Canopies u calculate without bar? Ur real set is 90+bar? Nice biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(King83 @ Apr 9 2007, 02:54 PM)
wah, this guy strong gila
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Then how come got this one?

Warm up
1x5xbar
1x5x40
1x5x70

Typo?
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QUOTE(Syd G @ Apr 9 2007, 03:34 PM)
Then how come got this one?

Warm up
1x5xbar
1x5x40
1x5x70

Typo?
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QUOTE(Syd G @ Apr 9 2007, 02:51 PM)
Canopies u calculate without bar? Ur real set is 90+bar? Nice biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(King83 @ Apr 9 2007, 02:54 PM)
wah, this guy strong gila
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QUOTE(jones007 @ Apr 9 2007, 03:23 PM)
with bar whistling.gif laugh.gif
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LOL...paiseh, forgotten to add bar weight.


Added on April 9, 2007, 9:35 pmWorkout B
Week 2 day 1 05 April (MONDAY)

NOTE: LAST FEW WORKOUTS I FORGOTTEN TO ADD BAR WEIGHT (45LBS)

Squats

Warm Up
1x5xbar
1x5x95

Real Sets
3x5x145

Standing Military Press

Warm Up
1x5xbar
1x5x50

Real Sets
3X5X55 ( my hand shaking )

Pendlay Rows

Warm Up
1x5xbar
1x5x65

Real Sets
2x5x85
1
( sigh , my cycling instructor suddenly told me if i do this i will hurt my back ,give up this set to give him some face,need someone teach me the proper form)

Accessory

Chin Up
2x8

Notes
1. MP clear with 5lbs each side .Yeah!!!
2. Hope Jones can teach me the pendlays rows ....
3. Squats getting more improved

Meal:
Breakfast - Oats+half scoop of whey+milk
2 hard boiled egg white.

Lunch- chicken rice without skin , white rice

Tea time - half roasted chicken from jusco . (woah,should recommend to u guys...damn worth it if share with friend ) rm4 per half chicken ...where can find? Nandos and Kenny Rogers rm18 for half chicken !!

Dinner- Normal grandma dishes + less rice
Test 2scoop of oats (just bought -quaker fast cook oats ) with milk.


Added on April 10, 2007, 8:21 pm1 Hour of cardio - 1k calories
10minutes of basketball

Breakfast - Oats + Milk + Half scoop of whey

Lunch - chicken rice without skin , white rice

break-nasi lemak (full egg)

dinner - normal

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Hey ...just wanna bump it ....

2moro going to do mark rippetoe workout A ....yeah... drool.gif

1 Hour of cardio - 1k calories
10minutes of basketball

Breakfast - Oats + Milk + Half scoop of whey

Lunch - chicken rice without skin , white rice

break-nasi lemak (full egg)

dinner - normal


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screw your cycling teacher. tell him to f*** off. ur military press warm up is too close iwth teh real sets. use the 30lbs weight barbell as 1st warmup set then 40lbs barbell as 2nd set. then only use the oly bar with 5 lbs each side
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Oic...thanks for ur guidance


Added on April 10, 2007, 9:01 pmso....now u do pendlay rows or bend over barbell rows????

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find one day i teach u la.
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okok thx 1st...tell me when u go gym do workout B ..time also


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Workout A
Week 2 day 5 11/4/2007(Wed)
(LBS)

Squats

Warm up
1x5xbar
1x5x85
1x5x115

Real sets
3x5x145

Bench Press

Warm up
1x5xbar
1x5x55
1x5x65

Real sets
3x5x85

Deadlift

Warm up
1x5x95

Real sets
1x5x135

Mis

Dips
2x8

Note: Bench press was tough . Tried 25lbs each side but my hand shaking like hell ....is it good sign or bad sign? shakehead.gif

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Week 2 day 6 13 April (FRIDAY)

Squats ATG

Warm Up
1x5xbar
1x5x95

Real Sets
3x5x135

Standing Military Press

Warm Up
1x5x25
1x5xbar


Real Sets
3X5X55 (Eh,dam easy edi)

Pendlay Rows

Warm Up
1x5x25


Real Sets
3x5x50
( kay , I using normal barbell . Dam light actually , and my friend helped me to check form , my back was parallel enough and I think I'm doing it correctly) Going for Oly bar next week .)

Accessory

Chin Up
2x8

Decline Sit up
1 x 8
1 x 8 + 25lbs

Pumping
2x10



Notes
1. Mp was easy , should add edi , feel the effectiveness of mark rippie !!!
2. Doing ATG full squat since the first day , forgot to mention . Believe in Kethnab stuff , go low enough I MEAN LOWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW
3.Cardio - 30minutes burned 411 calories .

Meal:
Breakfast - LOLx, Pan mee + teh ais

Lunch(Pre pre workout)- chicken rice without skin , white rice (fuka bored with it but what to do? )

Post workout : 2 scoop of ON whey shake

Dinner- Normal grandma dishes + more rice ( eh , gv me a rest day cos 2day got dam nice hot and spicy crabzzz )


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hand shaking? u should see how i bench 125 laugh.gif king was looking at my hand that time. he said i shake like hell laugh.gif
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I used to eat kaifan, hung, kar kai, moi pei, pak fan (chicken rice, breast meat, extra chicken, no skin, and white rice please). the price went up to RM5.50 to RM 6 for my lunch. and it didn't taste that great too. lol laugh.gif
so i knwo what your'e going thru.

But for myself, i now cook the chicken at home, oil-free and then tapau to work int he morning. reheat at lunch time to eat. carbs? i get gardenia wheat bread...

Dunno if that'll work for you tongue.gif

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QUOTE(Neek @ Apr 13 2007, 11:07 PM)
I used to eat kaifan, hung, kar kai, moi pei, pak fan (chicken rice, breast meat, extra chicken, no skin, and white rice please). the price went up to RM5.50 to RM 6 for my lunch. and it didn't taste that great too. lol  laugh.gif
so i knwo what your'e going thru.

But for myself, i now cook the chicken at home, oil-free and then tapau to work int he morning. reheat at lunch time to eat. carbs? i get gardenia wheat bread...

Dunno if that'll work for you  tongue.gif
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Haha...
Same as u , I'm having gardenia whole meal bread also.

Chicken rice , rm5 ...dam a lot of chicken ...but without skin...haiz

u should bulk lar...eat wateva u want then only cut la

now im juz a newbie , so haha...
fully utilize my newbie gains 1st ...

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hand shaking? u should see how i bench 125 laugh.gif king was looking at my hand that time. he said i shake like hell laugh.gif
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Eh , u hv weight lifting background larr dai gor...lolx

I'm going to catch u up /gg flex.gif haha

jk only lar


Added on April 17, 2007, 12:41 amWorkout A



edited ....dam y cant dun let it dun combine the post automatically hmm.gif

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Week 3 day 7 16/4/2007(Monday)
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Squats

Warm up
1x5xbar
1x5x65
1x5x85

Real sets
3x5x145

Bench Press

Warm up
1x5xbar
1x5x55
1x5x65

Real sets
3x5x95

Deadlift

Warm up
1x5x95

Real sets
1x5x145

Mis

Dips
2x8

Ps : DAMN , WHY MY DEADLIFT IS STILL THE SAME WITH MY SQUATSSSSSS !!!!

ABNORMAL???

SHOULD BE THIS RIGHT?
DL > SQUATS rclxub.gif


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DL>squats not necessary.
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Morning cardio for 45minutes - 800 calories

Basketball 20minutes - 3pointer training

Meal :

Breakfast : Oats + Milk+chopped banana(OH dam tasty) , 1 scoop of ON whey shake with milk

Lunch: chicky rice without her skin , white rice

Break : Mee rojak (wtf , teman fren go eat and I get poisoned)

Dinner : No rice , veges + soup (just little cos mee rojak makes me guilty but peanut rojak sauce good 4 health ..omega 3 wert...blek)

Kay 2moro gonna PR my MP and Squats ....pendlays still waiting for JOnes...nvm...do it myself 1st


Added on April 18, 2007, 9:11 pmWorkout B
Week 3 day 8 17 April (WEDNESDAY)

Squats ATG

Warm Up
2x5xbar
1x5x65

Real Sets
3x5x155

Standing Military Press

Warm Up
2x5xbar


Real Sets
2X5X65
1X5X55 ( tried to PR but failed in the last set ,Good try)

Pendlay Rows

Warm Up
1x5x65


Real Sets
3x5x95

Accessory

Chin Up
2x8

Decline Sit up
2 x 8


Notes
1.MP was tough at the last set . Gonna break it next session.
2.Squats improved PR every session .
3.Pendlay rows is good


Meal:
Breakfast - Oats + milk + banana + whey protein shake 1 scoop

Workout - Post for 2 scoop of ON whey + banana

Lunch- Half a roasted teriyaki chicken (JUsco) damn nice woot . Nasi Lemak

Break:some fruits...

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Week 3 day 9 20/4/2007 (FRIDAY)
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Squats

Warm up
2x5xbar
1x5x65

Real sets
3x5x165

Bench Press

Warm up
2x5xbar
1x5x65

Real sets
2x5x105
1x5x100( f***ed , screw this ...if not can PR edi!!!)

Deadlift

Warm up
2x5x50

Real sets
1x5x165

Mis

Dips
2x8 (14)

Note: Deadlift dam nice , finally I know where gone wrong , my grip is dam slippery (causing me thought that I not enuff power) , then I try to use cross grip ...damn easy then i feel...and hold firm without feeling like dropping down!!!)

Thanks Jones for teaching me !!! really appreciate it !!!

Pendlay I'm doing correctly actually ...haha...so no worry anymore .

sunday hv to meet syd G and Jones...but what time larrr...church day lehh...lolx

Squats PR again !!! But dam more and more tougher edi...always till last reps like wanna give up but I tell myself NEVER NEVER GIVE UP...then I successfully stand up ...lolx...Mind power is damn important... notworthy.gif jones

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eh y become not worthy.gif ?

actually wanna put this emo , then i copy and paste coz previous 1 changed to 0000000...cos it combines again...wanna bump it leh...shit always forgot zzz

notworthy.gif this is the notworthty.gif


Added on April 20, 2007, 8:10 pmeh y become not worthy.gif ?

actually wanna put this emo , then i copy and paste coz previous 1 changed to 0000000...cos it combines again...wanna bump it leh...shit always forgot zzz

notworthy.gif this is the notworthty.gif

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u shouldn't done it before i come man. u said your form is correct but maybe wrong. u cant see yourself deadlifting. even at the mirror. and that friend of yours.. just started ah him? ur squats getting near to me leh blink.gif
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Cross grip as in alternate grip? one underhand and one overhand grip?
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sunday help me check again lor...lolx...

last time u edi taught me marr...and juz now i also did few reps testing...and u say correct...

sunday c u...
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I'm imagining cross grip as in left hand over right hand to hold the bar. means right hand holding left side of bar and vice versa for left hand. rclxub.gif hot to dl liddat. lol laugh.gif
so if alternate grip no probs la. anyway, thats just one type of grip. holding with double overhand grip is not wrong also. its just a lil' harder.
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lolx...ur display is wat i holding b4....dam slippery...causing me like wanna drop down edi...ciplak gloves problem
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QUOTE(Canopies @ Apr 20 2007, 11:24 PM)
lolx...ur display is wat i holding b4....dam slippery...causing me like wanna drop down edi...ciplak gloves problem
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dont blame gloves. blame your forearm and fingers. u got weak grip. i'm doing without gloves whistling.gif
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Ya man. i doing it without gloves too. biggrin.gif
there was a point where my grip failed to lift 100kgs.. then i just dropped the weight and climb back up. the second round at trying 100kgs, my grip didn't fail... just needed some time to train it up...
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oic...thx ya all...haha...DL damn nice ...

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Workout B
Week 4 day 10 22 April (SUNDAY)

Squats ATG

Warm Up
2x5xbar
1x5x115

Real Sets
3x5x165

Standing Military Press

Warm Up
2x5x50


Real Sets
3X5X60

Pendlay Rows

Warm Up
1x5x65


Real Sets
3x5x105

Accessory

Chin Up
2x8

Standing Calf Raise
2x8

Notes
1.Haha...So nice meeting u guys ah...
2.Well, overall its quite okay ...Syd G , Jones , T+1 ...thx 4 ur teaching and guidance
3.Gonna join yoga class soon ...Haha,I still love that modified pose from Syd (train for future use /gg)
4.Cardio HIIT for 15minutes

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Week 4 day 11 26/4/2007 (WED)
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Squats

Warm up
2x5xbar
1x5x115

Real sets
1x5x175
2x5x165

Bench Press

Warm up
2x5xbar
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Real sets
1x5x105
2x5x95

Deadlift

Warm up
2x5x115

Real sets
1x5x185 (Yeah...reaching each side 90lbs!)

Mis

Dips
2x8 (14)
Ez curl
2x12

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3.Gonna join yoga class soon ...Haha,I still love that modified pose from Syd (train for future use /gg)

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u have special talent in that pose. it is not easy to perform ur modified pose. u sure have good core strength thumbup.gif
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Nola...I saw this pose in bb.com that can strengthen ur ass leh..can make it firmer..
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Coz ...I dont hv ma...haha

Well , I have done my mark rippetoe for 1 whole month .

Btw, Jones is faster than me 1 month.

Workout B
Week 4 day 12 27 April (FRIDAY)

Squats ATG

Warm Up
2x5xbar
1x5x115

Real Sets
2x5x175
1x5x165

Standing Military Press

Warm Up
2x5x45


Real Sets
3X5X65

Pendlay Rows

Warm Up
1x5x50


Real Sets
3x5x95

Accessory

Chin Up
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Standing Calf Raise
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Skull Crusher
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Well,
Progress info:

1st day - 31march 2007

Squats - 115lbs (52kg)
Standing MP - 45lbs (bar weight) (20kg)
Bench - 85lbs (39kg)
Deadlift-115lbs (52kg)

Now, after 1 month ...

Squats - 175 , 165lbs (80kg)
Mp - 65 lbs (30kg)
Bench - 95 lbs (43kg)
Deadlift - 185 lbs (84kg)


NOTE:
Well , Squats and DL improved lots .
But Bench and MP kinda stuck at it . Going to break next few session . B4 tat juz staying at the current weight cos wanna build strong foundation 1st b4 moving to PR.
Pendlays dint state on it cos last time about the form things...so dint reli progress cos scare hurt my back.

LOLx!!! This is only my FIRST month .
still got long way to go




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lol.. dude.. don't sweat it.. don't be afraid to break in to PR teritorry.. u'll like it once u find the confidence..
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lol.. dude.. don't sweat it.. don't be afraid to break in to PR teritorry.. u'll like it once u find the confidence..
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Added on April 30, 2007, 7:59 pmWeek 5 SESSION 13 26/4/2007 (MONDAY)
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Squats

Warm up
2x5xbar
1x5x115

Real sets
3x5x165

Bench Press

Warm up
2x5x35
1x5x45

Real sets
3x5x100

Deadlift

Warm up
2x5x115

Real sets
1x5x195 PR

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Week 5 day 14 2 MAY (WED)

Squats ATG

Warm Up
2x5xbar
1x5x95
1x5x115

Real Sets
3x5x175


Standing Military Press

Warm Up
2x5x45


Real Sets
3X5X75

Pendlay Rows

Warm Up
1x5x50


Real Sets
3x5x90 ( Reduce for a better form )

Accessory

Chin Up
2x8 (16)


Note:
Stop for few session , headache when lifting heavy weights .

I think I'm facing CNF ( central nervous fatigue ) , whereby when I doing the last rep of dips that time , my spinal nerve suddenly shock to my brain ...then i feel headache since then..

rest for few days only continue
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Workout B
Week 5 day 14 2 MAY (WED)

Squats ATG

Warm Up
2x5xbar
1x5x95
1x5x115

Real Sets
3x5x175
Standing Military Press

Warm Up
2x5x45
Real Sets
3X5X75

Pendlay Rows

Warm Up
1x5x50
Real Sets
3x5x90 ( Reduce for a better form )

Accessory

Chin Up
2x8 (16)
Note:
Stop for few session , headache when lifting heavy weights .

I think I'm facing CNF ( central nervous fatigue ) , whereby when I doing the last rep of dips that time , my spinal nerve suddenly shock to my brain ...then i feel headache since then..

rest for few days only continue
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SHock yer brain? care to further elaborte?

I dun think its CNF. I'm guessing you didn't breathe properly while working out causing excessive blood pressure to your head which led to the headache you had.
if thats the case, try to fix yer breathing.

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i'm surprised you come to so quickly to a conclusion that y0u have CNF.
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I did breathe . Squats when going down many ppl suggest to hold the breathe ...but when I hold and go down , headache will come ...I guess its the matter of breathing or not . Thx neek.

Its okay now , wanna hv some rest before moving next session .

Woah , just had a good rest though ...but head still ...sigh ..gonna take panadol
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it is a matter of not breathing, who told u to hold your breath while going down? thats for deadlift man doh.gif doh.gif wtf. not for squats, squats while going down breath in! pushing up breath out! omg
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i actually pause when i reach the top take a deep breath then hold it as i go down the breathe out as i move up

experiment a bit and use what is best for u

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Some ppl would suggest holding breath is to keep the pressure in the gut so it'll keep yer spinal column straight. but this will cause alot of blood to rush to yer head. You;ll be as red as this---> mad.gif

breathing while going down will relieve you of that blood pressure thing, but then you gotta worry abit more bout your spine.

I would suggest holding breath for heavy sets of low reps. and for high reps, and not so heavy weights, breath while going down. Thats what i do personally. wink.gif

but hey, don't take my 2 cents words for it. try it yourself and research more to find out what you think is right. whistling.gif
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some tips are more applicable for competitive powerlifters only. i also read b4 that holding breath can give extra drive, with the risk of blood pressure shooting up.


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Some ppl would suggest holding breath is to keep the pressure in the gut so it'll keep yer spinal column straight. but this will cause alot of blood to rush to yer head.  You;ll be as red as this---> mad.gif


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u wanna risk a bloody nose, hold your breath, if not, breathe right.

i made a huge mess in the gym once when my nose bled.....fcking stupid of me.
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Ahh shit ...learn from mistake

stop for 1 session ....go lowyat check new pc prize .

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Ahh shit ...learn from mistake

stop for 1 session ....go lowyat check new pc prize .

yeahz

1 gb ram ddr2 667 just rm170...holy cheapzz
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Ya man, we talking bout breathing and he's thinking of 1GB ram... -.-" doh.gif shakehead.gif

next time in the gym, he's gonna be thinking.. "what did those guys in the LYN forum said... breathe or not ah.. damn.. if only i wasn't dreaming of my pc..." huh.gif rclxub.gif
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Haha...just wanna end the topic fast mar

Today :

Cardio cross trainner 1 hour - 1005calories

basketball 15minutes - ??? calories


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u r asking question, we are asnwering, u disagree, we rebuttal, then u wana end it?
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Nope...I very agree cos I dint breath properly ...thanks a lot man
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Haha..mayb i'm too desperate for rams edi...swtz


Added on May 16, 2007, 10:32 pmNow I'm concentrating more on cutting rather than Mark Rippetoe cos after end of June , I'm going to start a clean bulk in HST.

Mark Rippetoe I'm facing platues and I don't think I wanna continue it edi but I will still do it for weight training purpose in cutting but lesser day . 2days per week. A for tuesday B for thursday.

Well , I think serious cutting is better for me cos if I do Hst then I hv to bulk for clean muscle mass .


Added on May 26, 2007, 4:30 pmLatest progress ,

Now around 86kg

Total Lost - 105kg-86kg=19KG


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Added on May 31, 2007, 4:32 pmhttp://www.hypertrophy-specific.info/iB_html/uploads/HST_Faq_book.pdf

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no journal update recently? how much strength gain since we met in california fitness?
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Thanks , might after 2months then i only will update .

Now my routines don't really need to jot down the weights

Cardio 1 hour - 1k calories above 4-6days per week
Weigh training - full body workout on tuesday thursday then go cardio 1 hour .
Food like normal .


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86kg!? wow... datz amazing hehe! i'm still around 94-95 frm 103... starting 2 months ago but strictly on diet... oni jog twice a week during weekends due to bz study schedule.

anyway, wonder wadz ur waist size nw hehe... in fact, I only find your journal quite relevant to me biggrin.gif
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86kg!? wow... datz amazing hehe! i'm still around 94-95 frm 103... starting 2 months ago but strictly on diet... oni jog twice a week during weekends due to bz study schedule.

anyway, wonder wadz ur waist size nw hehe... in fact, I only find your journal quite relevant to me biggrin.gif
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should say Yeah rather than dam drool.gif
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hehe.. I went to weigh myself. Thought arond 94-95... but actually 89! haha.. my waist 37-38 smile.gif Aiming 34-35 by early Aug biggrin.gif
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85KG when full and water weight ...hooray

15kg to go...3months babe !!!
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or 70kgs?

and still on HST?
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70kg la of course lol. aim to be 100kg pulak.
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70kg la of course lol. aim to be 100kg pulak.
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me still got 4 kgs to 80kg sweat.gif anyway clean bulk shouldn't put too much size on the waist, for me i couldn't wear all of my old pants except one is becuz my quads boomed up in size brows.gif
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U guys surely faster than me , I still hv to cut first then only bulk then cut wif lipo6 ...haha , blame my past but without it i wont be able to know u guys. lolx
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Jesus , he's my idol

Im inspired to do like him , yeah yeah !!! 1 more year to go babe !!! rclxm9.gif

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Added on June 30, 2007, 7:03 pmDeadline , before 12th june 2008

dam i hv to be more patient , I swear I wont touch my scale for 1month !!!! 85kg

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HYPERTROPHY SPECIFIC TRAINING

1)Clean Bulk stage

Reason: It's quite hard for me to go lower weight already , so instead of being a cardio bunny , I think its the right time for me to concentrate on hypertrophy.I hope I can get leaned out while increasing my muscle mass(newbie gain).

Current weight 183lbs , 83kg.

Today I have done my max search and will be starting next month due to the SD.

The HST e-book is very informative and I can post it up and share with u guys.




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wow.. i think u've come a long way from when u first started posting right? i remember u saying that u weighted 100+kgs when u first started out.. and now u're down to 85 kgs? i think u owe us before/after pics man.. biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(carlsuen @ Jul 17 2007, 03:11 PM)
wow.. i think u've come a long way from when u first started posting right? i remember u saying that u weighted 100+kgs when u first started out.. and now u're down to 85 kgs? i think u owe us before/after pics man.. biggrin.gif
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lolx! Great...

I had lose my weight from 104kg to 86kg nw tongue.gif hahaha
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I just feel so reluctant to delete my first post.Now,gym = my life , I dedicate my life , my passion , my world to bodybuilding and fitness.
One day not going to gym , I feel uncomfortable . I love that feeling ,the feeling to strive harder to achieve my goals and I appreciate everything u guys have taught me here. Without u guys(especially Jones,Syd) , it won't have today me.

I have lost around 23kg (from 105 to 82-83) , Waist from 41 to 34-35.

BEFORE:


AFTER:


Go this link : http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/488660/+200

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QUOTE(Canopies @ Jul 16 2007, 07:43 PM)
HYPERTROPHY SPECIFIC TRAINING

1)Clean Bulk stage

Reason: It's quite hard for me to go lower weight already , so instead of being a cardio bunny , I think its the right time for me to concentrate on hypertrophy.I hope I can get leaned out while increasing my muscle mass(newbie gain).

Current weight 183lbs , 83kg.

Today I have done my max search and will be starting next month due to the SD.

The HST e-book is very informative and I can post it up and share with u guys.
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bro, corrupted dy the file?
can't download/open it.

and where's the pic ?
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u juz go da website i gv u , its same
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where be me pics? or link?
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upload got problem..next time la..when free 1st


Added on July 20, 2007, 8:14 pmOMFG , y imageshack.us keep loading page error???


Added on July 21, 2007, 7:25 pmSTRATEGIC DECONDITIONING (7-9DAYS)

During these days , No lifting but cardio only. ^^ , last chance to be cardio bunny ..W00t


Clean Bulk Diet:

Breakfast 7am

1) 6 egg whites and 1 yolk ( 24g protein)
3) 5 tablespoon of oats (6g protein)
4) 1 Blackmores Multivitamins n Minerals

250Kcal

Pre workout 8.30am

1) 1 scoop of whey protein (24g)
2) 4 Jacobs low salt high fiber.

250Kcal

Post workout 10am

1)1 scoop of on whey + 1 scoop of glucolin + creatine (24)

520Kcal , glucolin lots calories.

Lunch 12pm

1)Chicken white rice (lotsa chicken) (30g)

700Kcal

Snack 3pm
1) 1 can of tuna (25g)

200Kcal

Dinner 7pm
1)less rice , more meat and veges. (30g)

600Kcal

Pre bed 11pm
1)2 fish oil
2)2 slices of cc and milk (20g)

400Kcal

Proteins:200g+-

Around 2920Kcal ...Means that I'm little bit over my daily calories needs which is 2652Kcal

Anyway,moderate cardio will still be done during rest days for health being and stamina.

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STRATEGIC DECONDITIONING (7-9DAYS)

During these days , No lifting but cardio only. ^^ , last chance to be cardio bunny ..W00t


Clean Bulk Diet:

Breakfast 7am

1) 6 egg whites and 1 yolk ( 24g protein)
3) 5 tablespoon of oats (6g protein)
4) 1 Blackmores Multivitamins n Minerals

250Kcal

Pre workout 8.30am

1) 1 scoop of whey protein (24g)
2) 4 Jacobs low salt high fiber.

250Kcal

Post workout 10am

1)1 scoop of on whey + 1 scoop of glucolin + creatine (24)

520Kcal , glucolin lots calories.

Lunch 12pm

1)Chicken white rice (lotsa chicken) (30g)

700Kcal

Snack 3pm
1) 1 can of tuna (25g)

200Kcal

Dinner 7pm
1)less rice , more meat and veges. (30g)

600Kcal

Pre bed 11pm
1)2 fish oil
2)2 slices of cc and milk (20g)

400Kcal

Proteins:200g+-

Around 2920Kcal ...Means that I'm little bit over my daily calories needs which is 2652Kcal

Anyway,moderate cardio will still be done during rest days for health being and stamina.


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IV. Nutrition and Supplements
**A. General Questions
**B. Chubbies
**C. Skinnies
**D. Athletes

Nutrition - Chubbies

Question - Can I do a cut diet and do cardio while on Starting Strength?

Ideally speaking, any initial weight training will be done with a minimum of cardio and while eating a caloric excess. This will allow for optimal muscle growth during the time in your training "career" that is optimal for that muscle growth. Less cardio = more calories for growth, hypothetically speaking.

The need for cardiovascular exercise varies from person to person, and from goal to goal. Very few definites about weight training, bodyfat loss, muscular gain and cardiovascular exercise type/intensity/duration and their interrelatedness exist. However, the following can be stated unequivocably:

*** Muscle builds most rapidly when adequate supplies of micro- and macronutrients are available at all times. This rarely happens unless you are eating a caloric excess.

*** In order to burn bodyfat, you must take in less calories than you need. This generally will result in you taking in less micro- and macronutrients than you need to build muscle, even if you take every supplement on the market.

*** Burning bodyfat while gaining muscular bodyweight is confined to mutants, younger (i.e. teenage) males, those who are new to the iron and those who have been previously well-trained, but are now out of shape and are relying on "muscle memory" to work a little magic while they get back into shape.

*** Males will have a SIGNIFICANTLY easier time increasing their lean mass while reducing bodyfat than women. Younger guys will also have a significantly easier time of this. In fact, it is almost too easy for a younger guy (under 25) to make this happen for several years, and for a teenager, it's WAY too easy.

Case in point...when I first got very serious about weight training, after a few years of farting around, I weighed 185. 2 years later after very serious weight training, I STILL weighed 185, but from the neck down, I looked like an entirely different person. My Mom accused me outright of using anabolic steroids, as did several of my friends (this was almost 20 years ago, before the general public really knew about steroids). I had added a good 500+ lbs to my squat, bench and deadlift in those 2 years, yet I hadn't gained a single pound. My chest and shoulders grew by about foot each, my waistline dropped by about half a foot, and my arms and forearms were almost 2x as big.

Yet I weighed the same. That, my friends, is what happens when a young male with the proper bodytype (I am a meso-endomorphic type) lifts like a lunatic and eats solid and clean (and everything in between.... ). I was chubby when I started, and I was pretty damn lean when I was "done". So in essence, I managed to find a balance of calories-in versus calories-out that allowed me to pile muscle on while convincing my body that all that excess bodyfat I had stored up as a semi-lazy teenager wasn't necessary, but the muscle I was piling on WAS necessary.

My basic advice to ANY teenager who starts lifting weights is to do the following

1) Clean up your damn diet. Dump the chips, get rid of the french fries, lose the Pepsi/Coke/Dr. Pepper, and stop with the beer and pretzels on the weekends.

2) Eat every 2 hours. It doesn't need to be a lot, but make sure you have a good 20-40g of protein in each meal, and make sure you eat some complex carbs and some fats with each of those meals. Don't stuff yourself, but eat good solid food or if need be, drink a healthy protein shake...not one of those "megaMass 4000". They are just piles of liquified shit that have 400g of sugar per serving and send your colon into a spastic fit.

3) If you can manage to eat cleanly for a month straight, while taking in sufficient protein, carbs and healthy fats, you will add muscle at a rate that will shoot your metabolism through the roof. Just by eating clean, your body will become very efficient at burning bodyfat, and you won't NEED to diet or do an excess of cardio in order to burn bodyfat. Just eat healthy, lift like your life depends on it, and do some light cardio for your health, and the bodyfat will melt away.

4) As a teen, you should REALLY take advantage of the time when you can add muscle the best. Dropping 10 lbs of bodyfat is easy compared to adding 10 lbs of muscle. Ask anyone who has been around the iron game for any period of time. It's much easier to lose bodyfat than to add muscle. The more muscle you have, the EASIER burning bodyfat will be. So take this time to eat clean and add muscle, and wait until late spring before you start worrying about your abs.

So, to sum it up, do a bit of cardio for health, clean your diet up, and lift hard and heavy. You will burn way more bodyfat than you can imagine by doing this.

Here is a specific diet that I used with great success for recomp (bodyfat loss + strength gain). I'm a natural fatty with a good bit of muscle, and I was getting back into shape. I was 5'9, ~15-18% bodyfat, 215ish lbs.

0600 - 25g Isopure + water + 4g creatine + 4g taurine
0630 to 0730 - cardio
0800 - 1/2c slow oats + 25g whey + 25g casein + 1c skim milk
1030 - 4-6 oz dead animal + "dinner starch" + veggies
1300 - 1c skim cottage cheese + 25g whey + 25g casein
1500 - preworkout drink (50g whey)
1530 to 1700 - lift
1700 - 50g dextrose + 40g whey + 4g creatine + 4g taurine
1700 - 4-6 oz dead animal + dinner starch + veggies
2100 - 1c skim cottage cheese + 2T ANPB + 2c skim milk

2-3g fish oil caps with each non-workout associated meal. On days I didn't lift weights, I cut the 1700 dextrose out. The meat sources were either 95% lean ground beef browned, rinsed and drained, round steak, turkey, chicken (breast AND thighs), and fish (salmon or tuna or perch). "Dinner starch" was either 1/2 yam, 1/2c lentils or 1/4c brown rice. If I had a coffee grinder, I wouldn't have bothered with the dextrose, I just would've ground up some oats, cooked them in water, and added them to the protein drinks pre and post-workout. That is definitely adviseable.

I varied the exact meat and starch sources but the overall serving size was measured. This provided enough variance to keep calorie totals fluctuating enough to prevent adaptation, and it also kept things interesting. Some days, I would have the salmon, steak and ground beef along with the lentils. Those days were higher calorie totals and protein. Other days, I ended up with chicken and turkey breast along with lean fish, so my totals were lower.

The results were that in 4 months, I went from 211 (severely dehydrated) to 212 with a drastic muscle mass and strength increase, coupled with a 4" loss in my midsection measurement. Also note that I went from a dehydrated 211 to a 212 using 8g creatine + 8g taurine daily, both of which are associated with cellular volumization. In other words, you usually gain a lot of weight. The recomp probably allowed me to switch out a good 5-8 lbs of muscle for an approximately equal amount of fat.
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Added on July 29, 2007, 4:53 pmTomorrow will be my first day of HST.

My workout will be like

Monday , Wednesday , Friday

Squats
Leg curl
Dips
Chins
Bench Press / Incline
Bent rows
Standing Military Press
Rear Delt Raise
Ez biceps curl
Ez skull crusher
DB shrugs
Standing calf raise
Machine crunches

Actually I'm not going for a clean bulk , I just don't force feed myself and I will eat like normal , just more cleaner than before.

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Added on July 30, 2007, 7:32 pmWow,Today is my first day of HST .

Dam ,my biceps triceps are burning like hell due to the high reps(acid lactic flushing) when performing workout.

Anyway,I started to load my creatine for 5days with 20g each.

Not really for bulk but I know that Glucolin has lots lots calories , so I try to add it for my pre and more in PWO . ( By Bryan Haycock)

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Wow,Today is my first day of HST .

Dam ,my biceps triceps are burning like hell due to the high reps(acid lactic flushing) when performing workout.

Anyway,I started to load my creatine for 5days with 20g each.

Not really for bulk but I know that Glucolin has lots lots calories , so I try to add it for my pre and more in PWO . ( By Bryan Haycock)

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Wow.. your cycle looks somewhat like mine.. since we both ripped it off Bryan Haycock. lol. laugh.gif

but mine alternated some of the compound workouts for legs, chest and back.
tweaked a lil for my second cycle. now only alternate for legpress/squat and rows/pullups.
I think my cycle still need lots more tweaking... darnit...
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QUOTE(Neek @ Aug 6 2007, 01:33 AM)
Wow.. your cycle looks somewhat like mine.. since we both ripped it off Bryan Haycock. lol.  laugh.gif

but mine alternated some of the compound workouts for legs, chest and back.
tweaked a lil for my second cycle. now only alternate for legpress/squat and rows/pullups.
I think my cycle still need lots more tweaking... darnit...
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After few weeks of HST , I'm starting to get use with this routine. I feel HST is actually a very good program for newbies like me , its a full body workout and a low volume sets . I'm doing 3 sets for compound movement now , it feels great and slowly I feel my biceps is pumping up.



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You doing 13 exercises per training session?
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I have reduced quite a number of it . Concentrate on compound mostly .

Squats
Leg curl
Dips
Chins
Bench Press
Bent rows
Standing Military Press
Ez biceps curl
Ez skull crusher
Standing calf raise
Machine crunches


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I'd ditch teh leg curl. Cause the rest are all practically doable machine-free. Mebbe swap with lunges or gud mornings?
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i'd say keep the leg curl, grow good and strong hamstring helps in squats and deadlift. lunges not really necessary since u r doing squats.
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but ATG trains teh hammies too no?
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not enough. doing ATG unless u r doing olympic squatting ATG that will do. that is your hammies touches your calves. even so hammies are one of the hardest group of musles to train. those who dont train have quads there, but literally no hammies at all. even trained ppl have small hammies. big hammies are hard to find. so i would say do a leg curl for ur hammies lol
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Okie. Cause I nvr do curls - only real ATG (er... u guys know how deep I squat no? wink.gif) for hammies.


Added on August 18, 2007, 1:39 pmEh dun butcher the ATG term lah. Say "below parallel" wink.gif

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canot le. ATG and below parallel so big difference, i'm doing wide stance below parallel. slightly below that is lol squats only works your hammies optimally when u go below parallel and lower.
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QUOTE(Syd G @ Aug 18 2007, 05:51 AM)
I'd ditch teh leg curl. Cause the rest are all practically doable machine-free. Mebbe swap with lunges or gud mornings?
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good morning is a dangerous exercise. it becomes deadly if losing balance.

but i like lunges. in addition to hamstring, it helps develop solid a$$ brows.gif
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good morning is a dangerous exercise. it becomes deadly if losing balance.

but i like lunges. in addition to hamstring, it helps develop solid a$$  brows.gif
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No wonder I always see pt gals love to do this ! They have a sexy ass  tongue.gif
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怎样形容"帅哥猛男"

  中国人大多喜欢温文尔雅的儒生形象,而美国人则多喜欢那种爱运动,体格很健壮,有肌肉的男生,所以校队的运动员,特别是football(美式橄榄球)球队的男生,通常都是 very popular 的。这也是中美文化差异之一喽!
  
  在美国,经常会听到美国女生说"He's so cute!(他好帅哦!)"之类的话。这里用的是 cute,而不是 handsome,不过两者的意思是一样的,都是好看的意思。只是美国人习惯用 cute 这个词。当然了,可不是指男生很可爱哦。下面我们就来看看如何形容这些受欢迎的男生类型。
  
  (1) 有男人味的男生
  
  (a) masculine (adj.) 
  很有男人味的,有肌肉的
  
  (b) macho (adj.)
  比masculine还更有男人味的,有肌肉的
  
  e.g. I love seeing guys work out at the gym because they look so macho and masculine.
  我好喜欢看在健身房运动的男生。他们看起来好健壮,好有肌肉。
  
  (2) 肌肉男的说法
  
  根据肌肉的多寡有不同的说法,下面看看顺序吧!
  
  beefy > buff > cut > ripped
  
  (a) beefy (adj.) 肉肉的
  e.g I find Antony so beefy!
  我觉得Antony好有肉哦。
  
  (b) buff (adj.) 壮硕魁梧的
  e.g Your boyfriend is buff! He should be a bouncer.
  你男朋友好壮啊。他可以去酒吧里当保镖。
  
  © cut (adj.) 非常有肌肉的
  e.g Richard is so cut. I can see his six packs through his shirt.
  Richard 好有肌肉哦。我隔着他的衣服都可以看到他的六块肌。
  
  (d) ripped (adj.) 非常有肌肉的,可以看到一块一块的肌肉与一条条的血管
  e.g I've been working out with weight's for months and now I'm ripped.
  我已经举重健身好几个月了,现在我有非常明显的肌肉。
  
  Note:cut和ripped 几乎一样,但是和beefy不一样,beefy的肌肉没有那么明显,而ripped的肌肉是一块一块非常明显。
  
  Americans care about the build of their bodies(美国人很重视体魄)。他们欣赏masculine,macho(有男人味、有肌肉的男生)。很多人从小就养成去健身房运动的习惯(work out at the gym)。他们不喜欢pale and flabby(肌肉松弛)的男生。
  
  当然,肌肉男并不是说他们没大脑。美国人不论男女都以 work out 为时尚,所以不 work out 的人就有点落伍了呢。
  
  (3) 整体帅哥猛男的说法
  
  (a) hunk (n.) 标准猛男帅哥
  e.g That Bruce Willis is such a hunk!
  Bruce Willis真是个猛男!
  
  (b) stud (n.) 标准猛男帅哥,而且还会调情讨女生欢心。
  e.g Have you checked out that new stud at the beach?
  你有没有到"肌肉海滩"看看那个新出现的超级性感肌肉帅哥?
  
  Note:
  
  1. hunk与stud都是帅哥,不过他们是有体魄又有男人味。特别是stud,原意是种牛、种马,所以还有些性暗示的意思。能被称为stud可是美国男生的梦想哦。
  
  2. muscle beach: 美国人很在乎他们的体格,而全美最在意muscle的地方,可能就是加洲洛杉矶啦,因为洛杉矶有太多可以展现肌肉的沙滩。很多海滩都会有一块健身区,放一些举重机、单杠等,供大家work out。这些沙滩上特别的健身区就是muscle beach。
  
  Tips: Chivalry is not dead.
  
  这句话的意思是:骑士精神还没有沦落。Chivalry 是the middle age(中古时期)的骑士精神。骑士除了剑术好,还是对女性彬彬有礼的绅士。女生都很喜欢 gentlemen,那么,男同胞们,当个knight(骑士)吧!
  
  e.g He always holds the door open for ladies. He is such a gentleman.
  他总是会帮女士们开门。他真是个绅士。

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QUOTE(Syd G @ Aug 23 2007, 03:32 PM)
This is so unfair. I dont understand Chinese sad.gif
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Muahaha , sorry for u . smile.gif

U don't hv to know anyway . rolleyes.gif
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Power of google. Talking about how 'cute' and 'handsome' is almost the same and how 'macho'ness and 'muscularity' differs.

Aiya. U seriously desperate for gf isit sweat.gif
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QUOTE(Syd G @ Aug 23 2007, 03:58 PM)
Power of google. Talking about how 'cute' and 'handsome' is almost the same and how 'macho'ness and 'muscularity' differs.

Aiya. U seriously desperate for gf isit sweat.gif
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Lolx , not bad wert so bijak.

Introduce me some gals lar , overaged one also nvm . brows.gif
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QUOTE(Syd G @ Aug 23 2007, 04:01 PM)
My PC is Chinese-ready since I install Ms Office 2007 wink.gif
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This is for guy one anyway , for gals ... ask Jones . He said inner beauty is everything and boobies can step aside ady . biggrin.gif

Lolx .



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(d) ripped (adj.) 非常有肌肉的,可以看到一块一块的肌肉与一条条的血管
  e.g I've been working out with weight's for months and now I'm ripped.
  我已经举重健身好几个月了,现在我有非常明显的肌肉。
  
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This is lie

(d) ripped (adj.) 非常有肌肉的,可以看到一块一块的肌肉与一条条的血管
  e.g I've been working out with weight's for months and now I'm ripped.
  我已经举重健身好几个月了,现在我有非常明显的肌肉。
  
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i tot "ripped" means extreme low body fat, no?
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haha, it sounds so easy to get ripped  blink.gif
i tot "ripped" means extreme low body fat, no?
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I bet u are experience enough to pass some knowledge to me in becoming a  (b) stud (n.) 标准猛男帅哥,而且还会调情讨女生欢心。
  e.g Have you checked out that new stud at the beach?
  你有没有到"肌肉海滩"看看那个新出现的超级性感肌肉帅哥?
  

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Lolx , not bad wert so bijak.

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QUOTE(Canopies @ Aug 25 2007, 06:32 AM)
I bet u are experience enough to pass some knowledge to me in becoming a  (b) stud (n.) 标准猛男帅哥,而且还会调情讨女生欢心。
  e.g Have you checked out that new stud at the beach?
  你有没有到"肌肉海滩"看看那个新出现的超级性感肌肉帅哥?
  

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i can only achieve 超级性感肌肉帅哥. for the other parts, u have to learn from jones biggrin.gif
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After 4 weeks of HST , I'm gaining strength and hypertrophy in the same time. My body is doing recomp too , losing bodyfat while increasing muscle mass. I'm a newbie of course ( I started Mark Rippetoe for 1 1/2 month then stop cos platues then I realized I'm still darn fat so I change to more serious on cardio but still do weight training 2times per week) , hope this can last long. Even though I eat quite a lot ,but mostly clean food , my weight doesn't increase(keep fluctuating ) . My waist line gone down little bit also.Hope my body recomp will continue till I become an advanced in this field.

I wonder why I hardly see any guys doing squat and deadlift in the gym ...Hmm , weird...

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QUOTE(Canopies @ Aug 27 2007, 09:27 PM)
I wonder why I hardly see any guys doing squat and deadlift in the gym ...Hmm , weird...
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I hope it stays that way for my own selfish reasons.... tongue.gif
i don't wanna wait in a queue just to squat or use the empty space to deadlift...

people that go to fitness first, do not squat or deadlift, its not good for you!!! tongue.gif
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people that go to fitness first, do not squat or deadlift, its not good for you!!!  tongue.gif
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QUOTE(budak84 @ Aug 28 2007, 04:00 PM)
regarding not good from u, reason?
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its a joke. so that ppl won't squat/ deadlift so i no need to queue up/ wait when i wanna do squats/deadlift in da gym.
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QUOTE(jones007 @ Aug 28 2007, 05:52 PM)
squats and deadlift KILLS PUSSIES!!!!
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My dream type of body . drool.gif I can achieve it before my 20 birthday . Yeah yeah !!!


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why do I always post image also will come out this Sorry, dynamic pages in the [IMG] tags are not allowed??? I wanna post the stan mcquay but cant..lolx
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why do I always post image also will come out this Sorry, dynamic pages in the [IMG] tags are not allowed???  I wanna post the stan mcquay but cant..lolx
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he doesnt have any black nipple there .
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user posted image yoyoyo , Jones future body !!!


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he doesnt have any black nipple there .
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i love stan mcquay's body. shit. i'm gay


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QUOTE(jones007 @ Aug 28 2007, 09:11 PM)
i love stan mcquay's body. shit. i'm gay


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this guy claims he is natural. no shit
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wow, i just wish that i can be slimmer....... not dare to wish i have such body yet.....


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this guy claims he is natural. no shit
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just realize something. i always think tat ur pic look familiar to me but cant recall where did i c it. just now saw my friend profile and u r his friend. wasai, ur face doesnt match ur body lo. i tot u r fierce looking, haha.

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QUOTE(bidfordun @ Aug 30 2007, 12:27 AM)
wow, i just wish that i can be slimmer....... not dare to wish i have such body yet.....


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just realize something. i always think tat ur pic look familiar to me but cant recall where did i c it. just now saw my friend profile and u r his friend. wasai, ur face doesnt match ur body lo. i tot u r fierce looking, haha.
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Huh? that guy is T+1 or me ? who is ur fren? mistaken?
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sorry, forgot to mention his name. he is jones007. his name shud be jone CXXX, rite?
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Jones avatar looks like musclemass wan lah... what else?
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sorry, forgot to mention his name. he is jones007. his name shud be jone CXXX, rite?
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QUOTE(jones007 @ Aug 28 2007, 11:15 PM)
this guy claims he is natural. no shit
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he has classic look indeed rclxms.gif rclxms.gif
but he look like quite short?
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he has classic look indeed  rclxms.gif  rclxms.gif
but he look like quite short?
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he is 170cm or 5' 7" slightly shorter than average guys
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u mean u saw me b4 in friendster? my face dont look fierce? lots of ppl say my face look lan si
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yeah, saw u quite a lot of times. hehe, where got lansi? maybe in ur pic, u look friendly to me. hehe, ur sis is quite pretty also mah. tongue.gif u shud be my friend's friend, hehe.
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Squats : 190 (BODYWEIGHT) X 8 REPS

Omg , first time reach bodyweight level .

Last time I remember my platues is at 175 x 5 , now I can do more than that in 8reps. Woah , really effective after SD sometime.

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congrats! body weight squat, u r in the 5% stronger ppl of the world population.

lmao

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congrats! body weight squat, u r in the 5% stronger ppl of the world population.

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HST still got 1month to go , I used HST because I wanna focus more on form before going really heavy,else strength is still what I need , 5% stronger ? Hmm...lets aim for 10% stronger !!! smile.gif
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Time to reach bodyweight squat 2months .

Time to reach bodyweight DL 1 and 1/2 months.


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Imma going for strength and size after confident enuff with my lifting form.  smile.gif
HST still got 1month to go , I used HST because I wanna focus more on form before going really heavy,else strength is still what I need , 5% stronger ? Hmm...lets aim for 10% stronger !!!  smile.gif
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swt.. not 5% stronger la.. i mean u r one of the 5% strongest ppl of the world population by squatting BW. u wan to aim the be the least. like andy and magnusson who DL's 1000lbs. they are 2 ppl out of 6 billions. so the percentage is like.. 0.000000002%

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QUOTE(jones008 @ Sep 6 2007, 02:25 PM)
swt.. not 5% stronger la.. i mean u r one of the 5% strongest ppl of the world population by squatting BW. u wan to aim the be the least. like andy and magnusson who DL's 1000lbs. they are 2 ppl out of 6 billions. so the percentage is like.. 0.000000002%

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Last month of my HST , will go for madcow after this cycle.

HST taught me lots of things eg. form ,mind muscle connection , and those scientific terms.

The 5rep I will be doing

Squats 3x5
Bench 3x5
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so whats the plan with madcow?
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I m now in 105kg
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Im in the age of 17.
My target is I will lose 15kg in 3months.

Total lost 14.5kg for 3months +

I just feel so reluctant to delete my first post.Now,gym = my life , I dedicate my life , my passion , my world to bodybuilding and fitness.
One day not going to gym , I feel uncomfortable . I love that feeling ,the feeling to strive harder to achieve my goals and I appreciate everything u guys have taught me here. Without u guys(especially Jones,Syd) , it won't have today me.

I have lost around 23kg (from 105 to 82-83) , Waist from 41 to 34-35.

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So what's your stats now after 9 months of training?
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Congrats.. notworthy.gif  I bet you look very handsome now  brows.gif

So what's your stats now after 9 months of training?
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Added on September 25, 2007, 10:20 pm Common Sense Dieting
I peruse the lifting forums and read posts from extremely frustrated and confused lifters on a daily basis regarding dieting. While it can take some trial and error to get things dialed in, setting up a great diet is extremely easy to do. Once setup, it may not necessarily be extremely easy to do every day as willpower and discipline are required, but figuring out what to do is the easy part.

First I will dispel the need for "fad" type diets that are USUALLY based on lousy science or faulty premises. I assure you a "peanut butter" or "grapefruit" diet is not what you are looking for. You need balanced nutrition that does not revolve around some trendy food or supplement. Then ask yourself what is the purpose of a diet? A sound answer is that it is to change body composition and provide all the nutrients needed for both body composition changes and health.

The next need will be to define your goals. Almost all of us want more muscle and less bodyfat. A good percentage of the lifters out there go about it in a different fashion. They bulk and get more muscle and way more bodyfat. Then they "cut" and get less bodyfat and lose hard earned muscle. There is a better way! Do a recomp and add muscle while SLOWY dropping bodyfat. If you somehow are of the belief that this is an impossibility you simply do not understand the way the body works very well. You can lose some fat doing cardio, or part of the day by carb/caloric restriction, and add some muscle during another part of the day-that simple. Or you can have some days where you are slightly under maintenance levels, and some days over. On the days you are under (provided macro-nutrient ratios and timing is correct) you will drop a bit of bodyfat while preserving all your muscle. On the days you are over (again, provided macro-nutrient ratios and timing is correct) you will add a BIT of muscle. While that is a bit of a simplification, it gives the basics of how it works. Nothing complicated about that-no voodoo involved.

But.....most people want to see results faster than that so they do "bulks" and "cuts". The way these are typically done are.......well.....lets just say done less than intelligently. Why? Because most people let the scale be their guiding light. They start their "bulk" jump on the scale in a few days and it still hasn't gone up. Answer? Eat more. And damn it's hard to get those "big calories" when eating clean, so.....they eat everything in view, and a lot of very calorie dense crap. And guess what? The scale starts shooting up and they are stoked! They start getting bigger and stronger and it is generally only when someone else says something that bursts their bubble that they realize they are headed in the wrong direction. Here is a bit of a conversation between me and a girlfriend had about 16 years ago when I did "bulks".

Sheri: I thought you were trying to build muscle?
Me: I am building muscle, I'm a lot bigger and stronger.
Sheri: Well you may be stronger, but you don't look better, you're just getting REALLY fat.
Me: Well I gained 22 lbs, and most of it is muscle.
Sheri: It looks like mostly fat to me babe, but if that makes you happy, I'm OK.
Me: Well I...um....yeah, maybe I did gain a bit too much fat.

There is absolutely no reason to just eat like a damn pig to put muscle on your frame. Once you are over maintenance calories (assuming macro-nutrient ratios are correct) you are doing all your body needs to add muscle and having a huge surplus of extra calories does very little for your ability to add muscle, but a lot for your ability to add fat.

There are a few times in a lifters career when it is very possible to accrue a bunch of muscle mass in a short period of time:

1. When they first start training,
2. If they have been off of training and are rebuilding mass they had previously.
3. If it is the first time they have trained properly for THEIR body type irregardless of how long they have trained.
4. When doing a steroid cycle.
5. Early on (first few years) in the lifting career of someone with great genetics.

Unless you are at one of those points in your training career don't look for muscle to be flying on at a super fast rate. Newbies typically gain 20-60 lbs in a year, and 50 is definitely on the high side for most. So lets say you are a brand newbie and are going to gain 50 lbs of muscle this year, and are not going to do it totally clean, but let 15 lbs of fat come along for the ride to ensure you are always fed well enough for maximal mass accrual. That is 65 lbs and 65 divided by 52 = 1.25. So you are going to gain all of 1.25 pounds a week. A number that for all intents and purposes is not readable on a weekly basis on a normal bathroom scale taking into account water weight variations. Do any of you see the utter foolishness of jumping on the scale and being thrilled with your 2-3 pound a week increases while bulking? You are in almost all cases just getting damn fat, damn fast.

Past your first year a 20-30 lb gain in lean mass is fantastic. Let's call it 25 for example sake and that means a .48 lb gain a week. Again, nothing you can see on a bathroom scale. And I know on the internet and in the cell-tech ads everyone gains that much every 16 weeks or so, but this is the real world and guys that can put on 25 lbs a year consistently are soon FREAKS, and well, most people are not freaks so you figure out what is reality and what is fiction.

So why do so many of you eat until you can see the scale go up 2-3 lbs a week? Mostly because you are bound and determined to do a big aggressive "cut" where you lose 2-4 lbs a week and a lot of muscle with it because again, you are too damned impatient and gauge your progress by what the scale says instead of the mirror and tape measure/calipers. What is a reasonable amount of bodyfat to expect to lose a week? 1 to 1-1/2 pounds for under 200 lb lifters, and 1.5-2.25 for 200-250 lb lifters. Go much past that and a lot of bad things happen metabolically.

The better way is to just do a recomp. No, the scale won't be moving fast enough for most of you. In fact, it may stay static for weeks on end as muscle is slowly built and fat is slowly removed. The downside is you have to be way more detail oriented to pull this off. Doing a traditional "bulk" you just eat like a pig. Doing a traditional "cut" calories are restricted so low there is lots of wiggle room. But on a recomp more precision is needed which brings up a most important topic-the need for precision.

WHY MOST OF YOU FAIL DIETING
There are three BIG reasons why people fail with their diets:

1. Caloric and macro-nutrient levels and timing are off kilter
2. They don't log their diets/weigh food when needed.
3. They are inconsistent and or lack discipline

Calorie levels are very often off as a result of the trainee using USELESS "formulas" to determine caloric needs. As someone that works with a large number of trainees I can tell you that two 200 lb lifters with approximately the same bodyfat levels may have baseline maintenance levels that are off 1000-1500 kcals from the other guy. How well can you do with a diet 1000 calories off? EXACTLY, you can't progress like that!!!

Everyone I train is required to log their EXACT CURRENT diets and then tell me if they are:
Adding/maintaining/losing bodyfat
Adding/maintaining/losing muscle

I make my calculations based on known numbers, not some retarded "formula". That is how you should go about setting up a diet also.

Assuming your diet is thought out properly and the correct calories and macro's are planned it's still USELESS if what you are eating doesn't hit those numbers reasonably close, and consistently. That is done by logging your diet along with weighing your food for at least long enough to KNOW what your serving sizes look like. After that, you can eyeball them, but not before. I assure you that what looks like 8 ounces of chicken to one person looks like 4 to another, and 12 to another. At this point I know I am losing a bunch of you-this is too complicated, why bother when I know a lot of people that do great and don't log their diet or ever weigh their food? You are correct, a LOT of people never go through this trouble and succeed. But as many or more fail-is this you?

So to start your common sense dieting you first log your food for long enough to get a baseline number. Once done, calculate a starting point, don't worry if it is perfect or not. It just has to be close. Why is perfection not a requirement? Because the perfection will come with the next step. And the next step is to start logging everything you eat for at least LONG ENOUGH THAT YOU KNOW WHAT THE PORTION SIZES ARE AND ARE EATING A REGULAR DIET AND HAVE ALL THE FOODS YOU GENERALLY EAT WEIGHED AND LOGGED. There is a lot of software out there that can be purchased for this. You can buy a cheap calorie/macro nutrient counter at a bookstore or online and log on paper or in a spreadsheet. Or use one of the online free services like www.fitday.com

After you have logged for awhile and reviewed your results, you can make a precise change in the direction you need to go and rest assured that since it is logged and precise, the change will be going in the right direction.

DETAILS

At this point I know many of you are wanting to know something like:
If I am cutting how many calories under maintenance should I go? Or, if I am bulking how many over maintenance should I go? Or if recomping how many? The short answer is "some". I can't give you exact numbers because there is a bit more to it to factor in when I make the calculations for training clients. The long answer is to start and make adjustments as needed while logging and weighing if need be.

Protein requirements are a stumbling block for many of you. The good news is the word is getting out and the old wives tales of bygone days are slowly being replaced by what works in the real world. And that is simply put, 1.5 grams per lb of bodyweight (unless you are very fat) as a MINIMUM and 2 grams per lb is more optimal for most hard lifting trainees. I don't care what study you read, or the fact that you read in a muscle magazine your body can only assimilate 30 grams at a time, or that your friend Fred does great eating 1 gram per lb. He is the exception I assure you.

You can debate all you want, or step up to the dinner plate and start eating and see for yourself. I have people enter online debates about this all the time and when questioned about their results when trying the higher numbers more often than not the response is they have never tried it, but they read a study that said........Well, studies are great, but when they don't match up to what occurs in the real world with real lifters, they are useless. And most studies of this nature are not done with REAL lifters-usually untrained college students.

Types of diets
There are a LOT of different diet types and they all work for SOME people. Without going into a lot of detail here (I'll save that for another article) the general types I recommend are LEAN bulks, and recomps for adding mass, and Timed carb diets (both full TCD's and ½ day TCD's) for cutting. Keto diets work fine, but are deprivation diets and have some serious drawbacks. Simply stated, the general guidelines for these diet types are as follows:

Lean Bulk
You will be over maintenance calories by a bit and have enough carbs that energy levels are good and glycogen stores are adequate. Protein at 1.5-2 grams per pound of bodyweight, and fat at at LEAST 20% of overall kcals. Low intensity and high intensity cardio should be done according to your time schedule and work capacity.

Recomp
You will be over maintenance calories by a bit, but will either zig-zag calories some days under maintenance, or have an earlier carb cut-off, and will do daily low intensity cardio. You will have enough carbs that energy levels are good and glycogen stores are adequate. Protein at 1.5-2 grams per pound of bodyweight, and fat at at LEAST 20% of overall kcals. Diet supplements can be used to create a further deficit.

Half day timed carb diet
You will be under maintenance levels, cut-off carbs 5-8 hours before bed, and do low intensity cardio daily. Diet supplements can be used to create a further deficit.


Full TCD
You will eat zero carbs EXCEPT post workout 4-6 days a week, and have 1-2 carb up days a week. Under maintenance on no carb days, over on carb-up days. Low intensity cardio daily. Diet supplements can be used to create a further deficit.


There are all kinds of other diets out there. Many fad and "trendy" others time proven and efficient, the ones listed are easy to do and simply work if you will do your part.

Carbs and fat
All carbs are not created equally. It's real simple to get fat eating high glycemic carbs. Eat a bunch of processed or even non-processed fast carbs and you can bet a large percentage of them are going to head straight to your waistline where you will pay hell getting them back off. Go to Google and type in glycemic index. Now find a GI index that has the foods you like to eat and bookmark it. Unless it is post workout, the foods you eat as the vast majority of your diet should be 50 or below on the index.

That doesn't mean you can never eat any higher GI foods, it just means they are the exception, not the rule. Most people truly get fat from carb intake, not from fats unless they eat a very high fat diet. Combining lots of carbs and fats in meals is also a sure way to ensure you are continually laying down bodyfat. And that can happen even while UNDER maintenance if you eat big fat/carb, or very high carb/high glycemic meals.

You NEED essential fatty acids. The ESSENTIAL part should be your first clue that it is a requirement, not an optional component. A tablespoon of olive oil and 1-2 of flax oil, or better yet, 4-8 grams of fish oil is a good starting point for most of you.

Carb-cutoffs
I recommend every single lifter do a carb-cutoff at night before bedtime, no matter the type of diet used.

Cardio
Morning cardio works for fat loss and mass accrual. If done while massing you WILL be hungrier throughout the day as a result of the cardio. If dieting, you will drop weight faster doing morning cardio, but anytime you can fit it in will be beneficial. Either way there are a slew of benefits to doing it and it should be done irregardless of what type of diet you are doing.

All pretty commonsense stuff that WORKS if you will work it.

Good luck!

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Training and Size vs. Strength:



Is Bigger Necessarily Stronger?



How do you think people get bigger exactly? A bigger muscle is a stronger muscle - what do you think your body is adapting to when it adds muscle as a result of exercise? Why is resistance at a fairly high percentage of your maximal effort necessary for hypertrophy? I mean, you don't get too big walking around and bodyweight exercises seem to cap out after a while.

Things that make you go hmmm. I'm not saying a bigger person will out lift or be stronger than a smaller person (physics/leverage/neural components weigh in on this so lets not talk about the 130lbs freak of nature champion powerlifter), but I'm saying that when YOU get bigger than you are now, YOU will have gotten stronger than you are now. No one added significant muscle that didn't add weight to the bar or just do a ton more work. You are stressing the muscular system here and the adaptation of hypertrophy is a method the body uses to cope and improve to be able to better tolerate the stress.

I would hope it's hitting you like a bolt of lightning now and that you aren't lost. If you are lost reread the above.


Is a Rep Just a Rep?


Now what's necessary for hypertrophy vs. just pure strength. Well, obviously there is some type of intensity (% of 1 Rep Max or weight on the bar) involved in both. People say that 8-12 reps is for hypertrophy but 1-3 reps is for strength, why? I mean, intensity (%1RM) otherwise known as weight on the bar is linearly related to potential for microtrauma right? Why do you need to do more reps and why isn't a heavy weight better. Well, a heavy weight is better. The problem is that you can't do a whole lot of work with it and get a reasonable amount of microtrauma for hypertrophy - hence, it mainly stresses the neural components more than the muscular.

So in fact, a rep is a rep, it's finding that happy medium between intensity (%1RM) and the number of reps performed. Hey wait - why do we do sets if we can just do 25 reps with some weight and be done. Well, because the weight you can do for 25 reps has to be low intensity to get 25 back to back (hence, less microtrauma per rep and pretty soon on the spectrum you get none and are pure endurance). So we cluster reps into sets to keep the intensity high and still get a given number of reps done. This is why you can break the rule with 3 rep sets being for strength only if you lower the intensity (%1rm) to where you can do enough work in multiple sets (maybe that's 18-30 total reps - no real fine line or spectrum sweet spot but you get the idea). You'd probably get more total workload too (reps X sets X weight used) as the time density is lower with additional clustering/rest. There are few absolutes. Microtrauma is also why static holds or short range partials with very heavy weight tend to not work so well over time, you need to move a weight over a range of motion and leverages to get the microtrauma. And I'll just add that in very few circumstances will progression in a partial movement substantially carry over to full range movement in a well trained lifter. Full range carryover to a partial is very dependable though, thus they are always the staple benchmark lifts.


But All I Care About is Hypertrophy?


Also, let's not forget the neural components that have nothing to do with hypertrophy . Hypertrophy over a period is strategically induced microtrauma through progressive loads (i.e. increased workload by raising weight/more work with same weight/combination). And really, you don't get much out of one session so the name of the game is looking at progression over an extended period. Enhanced neural capability leverages your ability to do this and the resulting hypertrophy gains. Better neural = better potential hypertrophy. Don't believe me, think about the much loved "newbie gains" where everything works. What is this phenomenon - muscle is muscle? Well the main driver is rapidly developing neural adaptation and that drives weight on the bar which drives progressive loading which drives hypertrophy. Doh.

So now we know hypertrophy and that neural adaptation is a good thing not some unrelated oddball of nature to be shunned. I'm not saying you need to do a pure powerlifting or peak strength routine and focus on the extreme end of max singles and doubles either - merely that some neural focus is quite helpful and should absolutely be a part of any mid to long-term plan.



Well what's the best way to get a lot of hypertrophy for those looking to add muscle mass? Well, the body is a system and adapts best as a system. This is what makes squats, deads, rows, cleans, presses, and snatches very effective. You are using a large portion of your body's musculature to move a heavy weight (think intensity) through a fundamental range of motion. This is full body lifting stressing a large portion of the body's musculature all at once (microtrauma - especially good to bring up weak links and solidify the body's capability to work well as a single unit - and this is what "functional" is all about anyway). So adding weight to these exercises should net hypertrophy over the entire body. And we all know how hard it is to grow a muscle in isolation and that the body tends to stay within reasonable parameters of balance, just look at the curl boys who otherwise would all have huge arms - the training and workload is there and hitting the target muscle, the body just doesn't adapt like that past a fairly marginal point.



What's the Most Efficient Way to Plan to Get Bigger Over Time?

So what's the deal with the 5x5 stuff? Well, first it tends to focus on the most effective lifts or the ones with the highest potential for hypertrophy. We are not concerned with balancing the outer head of the triceps here, this is for pure muscle, triceps are included but nothing in isolation is being heavily focused on. So what's with doing the big lifts that often and not splitting it up day by day? Two things:

1) How do you train for any sport or motion? Do it a lot, as much as possible until it's 2nd nature. Why? The nervous system and your body adapt to performing the motion and become much more efficient and better at it (doesn't that sound like weight on the bar - if you didn't get it reread it). Well why not do it every day then? The intensity that you are dealing with is too high and beats on your body's systems too much. Just the nature of the beast in weight training and why powerlifters don't just do max squats, deads, and benches every workout - it's the most direct way to train but iit can't be done for long. And in the weight room, just like in life, it is very hard to get very good at a lot of things all at once or when changing those things all the time. You need to focus on a few things and hammer them to really get good at them.

2) Recovery is fairly fast, once your body gets used to training your muscles repair themselves fairly quickly generally within 2-3 days. Also, you need not be 100% recovered to train again (every single cell absolutely perfect and returned to baseline). When you tan do you tan real hard one day and then wait inside until you are pasty white again? No, you have tolerable periodic exposure and this is how your body adapts. So more frequency is desirable up to a point but 1x per week tends to suck as a default. In addition, remember when we proxied microtrauma with workload (reps X sets X intensity or weight used)? Well do you think you could handle doing 15 sets of squats in 1 day? Think back to the pasty white skin tanning - is it better to get fried for hours and then sit inside whitening up or is it better to get some tolerable amount more frequently. But still understand that the total amount of microtrauma from the squat can be much higher if spread out over 3 days during the week - i.e. you can tan in three 30 minute sessions without burning but a single 90 minute session might toast you (so in 1 session a week maybe they can only get 60 minutes - hence 90 minutes is more). Also, think about volume and intensity (%1RM). What's a good balance to get enough microtrauma - well think back to workload. You could do one 25 rep set, weight too light probably (this is why there are intensity based cutoffs for workload calcs and walking doesn't make you big, intensity is too low), what about 3 sets of 8 - sure that would work that's fine, enough weight and work, well what about 5x5 - that works too, and with less density it's probably the way to get a good amount of workload with some pretty good weight (intensity).



What about Food and All the Different Programs?

So that's the jist and how strength and hypertrophy are related. That's also the jist on how why the 5x5 or any similar setup is structured that way and designed to work. Oh yeah, the other essential ingredient is food. Caloric excess will move the scale. If you aren't gaining weight, you aren't eating enough. You cannot add another wing to your house with only enough material to make small repairs on the existing structure. All any training program can do is get you better at the big lifts. If that is verifiably happening over time (read the Benchmark Article), put a check box there and know the rest is diet. Hypertrophy gains can be lumpy over the short-term but over the mid to long term, as long as you are eating appropriately, they are quite in line with your strength gains.

And why the different templates and structures - just different ways of going about getting the body to acclimate. If you can acclimate fast enough to add weight to your best set of 5 three times a week - do it. If you can only add weight 1x per week that will work too and then you wind up with undulating loads over the other sessions during the week. When you can't add weight weekly, well then it's done periodically and your undulations and progressions move beyond a weekly period into larger blocks and you get periodization. All different ways to skin a cat, go with the fastest you can. And variables change and are altered. Different ways to get stronger - getting your squat from 200x5 to 220x5 can be handled in a lot of ways. Maybe it's four 5lbs increases, one per week. Maybe it's taking your best 5 sets of 5 with 180lbs and pushing it up to 200. Maybe a combination or working on a weak link.


But I Think I Understand and It Doesn't Sound Very Hard or Complicated?


I hope this has helped someone. But that's the whole deal. Not too hard is it. And as to the original topic, programming is just about efficiently organizing work. To get as big as possible in the shortest period of time, a split with a ton of different exercises done 1x per week and lot of isolation is probably a very bad choice although that doesn't mean it can't or won't work at all just from an efficiency standpoint (and if you read above, you know why). But training the whole body or a big portion of the body in a session will let you get enough frequency and let you really focus on the lifts that can make that mass pile on as fast as possible. Then again, if you don't really want to add muscle and just want to work on your conditioning and aesthetics and balance - well, if you are pounding the compounds hard with that kind of frequency, it's hard to fit this work in. Figure out what you need to do and plan for it. It's that simple. You don't need to do everything at once and for most people they should focus on aesthetics on an as needed basis rather than trying to preempt all possible future problems that may hypothetically arise in the future while hobbling their high priority mass gaining phase.





The Nervous System, Overtraining, Recruitment:



Is Overtraining at the Muscular Level?



Actually knowing that workload is a proxy for microtrauma or stimulus, now learn about fatigue or the nervous system. The nervous system is what overtraining is about, it's not about tissue repair so much. You don't get exhausted, unable to concentrate, interrupted sleep patters, decreased performance and reaction times from doing too many sets of bis one day. This is your nervous system getting hammered. The nervous system is what recruits your muscles and to do heavy work it fires hard (rate coding). So knowing that workload is a proxy for stimulus to the muscles and hypertrophy, getting those extra reps by going to failure becomes particularly expensive. Not that failure is bad but simply that rate coding skyrockets and that impacts fatigue and accumulated fatigue is overtraining - it is not an accident that failure or HIT type protocols default to low volume and stress recovery (they just didn't realize it wasn't the muscles that were failing, it was their nervous system redlining i.e. failure is not a stimulus unless you are trying to get better at the neural level and that is a viable way to load the muscles progressively with more weight but it isn't as direct as Mr. Mentzer seemed to think).

So that's failure in a nutshell, and reaching failure is not necessarily a bad thing. But it's important to understand it because fatigue is the limited resource so fatigue limits workload which limits microtrauma which limits hypertrophy. So there is a balance and limited resources.


How do I know I Recruited All My Fibers?


This is a great read on recruitment and how exactly this works, pay particular attention to nwlifter's posts in this thread. Really sharp guy and knows this area unbelievably. You can visit his site, Hypertrophy Research This jist being that all fibers get recruited between 50-80% of a 1RM effort, hence the very first rep of your 5 rep max will recruit all fibers and while the very first rep of a 10RM set won't you will get to that point fairly quickly as the initial reps fatigue you (you don't need ball breaking gut busting failure just to make sure). Back to workload, just because a fiber was recruited doesn't mean it has done enough work for hypertrophy though.



So How Does the Whole Overtraining and Nervous System Thing Fit into a Program?


Also the difference between the nervous system and performance/strength/muscular system in training can be seen in the two factor model where fitness and fatigue are separate factors. Interestingly and what makes this really important to separate those factors is that the nervous system recovers much faster than performance is lost. Basically, the rate of decay in fatigue is much higher and basically 3:1. Why is this important - higher workloads. A program that might kill someone over 10 weeks without break might be very stimulative for 3-4 weeks. Knowing that fatigue can be dissipated quickly, you wind up with periodization or an undulating set of blocks to where workload can be very high for a period, lowered for a brief period to allow recovery and then raised again. This allows a lot more work and microtrauma. Now this isn't necessary for most teens getting into this or anything, the name of the game there is to keep fatigue low enough to be tolerable and then scale the weights, but this relationship is very useful for elite lifters and athletes. This type of model is basically the standard at that level. Both of these are great links - you'll get a great contrast between single and dual factor models in the first (don't worry about the specific programs - one is the dual factor 5x5 on my site anyway - and I actually wrote the description onn the link) and in the 2nd you'll see how this is used and put to work at high levels.
Kelly Baggett's Planned Overtraining Article (Dual vs. Single Factor)

Article on Meso Illustrating Long-Term Planning and Utilization


So that's a lot of info with everything above and those links. But once if you understand everything in my previous piece or at least most of it and read through the 3 links here. That's basically a big portion of everything you need. Arguably, there isn't much else you need to know except how to put it all together and what changes to make and when - but training is art as well as science.





Program Organization:



The whole "newbie" and fullbody thing aren't mutually exclusive, it probably helps to frame things a different way. I'll use the word beginner for newbie. This is kind of arbitrary delineation but it will serve for the purposes below and it's geared mainly to what goes on in BBing and commercial gyms. We will leave the spectrum of the above advanced to elite to world level lifters out of it but make no mistake it is lifting which makes you bigger along with food, if you still think there is voodoo after reading all my posts from page 4 and on, you need to reread.

EXPERIENCE LEVEL AND TRAINING

Beginner
Typically a beginner will have a very simple program and can progress workout to workout for a decent stretch. This might be adding 5lbs to the back squat 2 to even 3 times per week or maybe it's 2.5lbs to the bench on the same frequency. Essentially every time or most times he goes into the gym, he's a different lifter. Simply the rate of adaptation is high, the time between personal records is low, and the necessary complexity of the programming to elicit these progressions is low.

Intermediate
An intermediate may ramp up to his records over a few weeks and then get decent stretches where he'll set new records on lifts on a weekly basis. At first he might get 12 week runs, later on only 3-4 weeks, but nevertheless he is making fast progress and adding weight to his lifter weekly or almost weekly. Within a week lifts and stress on the body will generally undulate. If 3 full body workouts are used it's typically Heavy, Light, Medium with the work geared to getting that next record the following week. Rate of adaptation is still medium, time between records is medium, and complexity of the program is medium.

Advanced
An advanced lifter gets to the point where weekly progress isn't really viable. He may ramp up and get 1 record or he might not be able to go anywhere with that structure and to get that kind of progression he has to train so far from his core competency that the training fails to carryover well and even cause regression in ignored core. For example dropping the back squat and training the butt blaster machine or working in the 25 rep range on lifts or some other oddball thing. Sort of like a 100m sprinter working on his 3000m times because easy progress is available to him there (unfortunately his 100m doesn't really move much if at all). I have a post on properly using benchmarks to evaluate progress here. Programming here is characterized over larger blocks of weeks in a micro, meso, macro cycle format for planning. He may work very hard and only make a single increment of progress at the 4 or 8 week point. This type of training is indicative of periodization and what goes on in advanced athletics and it gets longer and longer. One could almost say for a top world lifter, he may be training an entire year for a single increment of progression at the world championships and he might have a 4 year plan setup to hit his best at the Olympic games. Obviously adaptability is low, time between records is long, and complexity of the program is high (and for the world level lifter add "very very" before each of those but it doesn't have to be that way for everyone at the simple advanced classification I'm talking about).

So those are the 3 easiest ways to look at it and on the line between beginner and world level lifter there are obviously infinitely many sub-points but I think it's easiest to look at it like this and more relevant to the discussion. Obviously, regardless of where you are or where you think you ought to be, you want to be in the fastest lane possible. Complexity for complexity's sake is dumb. Slow progress when fast is available is very poor decision making. Training indirectly with elaborate assistance exercises to raise your back squat is foolish if you can walk in the gym and add weight to your back squat. These are all done out of necessity not because they are desirable.

GOALS AND ORGANIZATION OF TRAINING

Now for the split vs. full body or large part of body and how it related to experience level. Drum roll - - it doesn't. No one outside of bodybuilding is operating off some elaborate bodypart split. No one at the highest level of lifting is not doing full body or close to full body. The training volumes and frequency at the highest levels are staggering to most bodybuilders even during a deloading period before competition. Bottom line, experience level is not about splitting the body into parts. Your goal at a point in time determines the objectives you are going to use during the training period then the objectives determine how you are going to organize your work. A split simply falls out as the organization.

Full Body or Most of Body - "Training Lifts"
If at any stage of experience your goal is to add as much muscle as quickly as possible, the objectives you will stress will be raising your best compound lifts in some viable range - best set of 5, 8, or 10 maybe best 5x5, or 3x8 or whatever. That and the eating is the best way to add muscle and generate the adaptation you are seeking. And the organization for that? Well doing those lifts 1x per week and throwing in a bunch of garbage is a pretty crap way to get better at them. If you have any clue, you would not select some outrageous 5 day bodypart split with tons of exercises and train the lifts 1x per week. In this kind of training you focus on lifts, not bodyparts and generally it doesn't get more complicated than upper/lower. For the record, I don't believe in push/pull/legs because that's basically chest/back/legs and you are right at the cusp of a bodypart split - not that it may not be a good organization for a hybrid goal where pure muscle gain and refinement are equal, but merely that no one would really consider this optimal organization to get big lifts up fast.

Elaborate Splits - "Training Bodyparts"
Now what about if one is prioritizing refinement of one's physique over a period? Well, all compound lifts trained frequently are not going to leave much room for other work. You might get one or two things done but largely there's just no room and you won't accomplish your goal. So here the objectives determine that you need a lot of isolation exercise or different variants while maybe maintaining your core lifts or even just preventing serious detraining. This might be a lifter who perceives some imbalances or wants to work on this for a period after adding some muscle - or this might be a bodybuilder preparing for a contest. Obviously a more elaborate bodypart style breakdown falls logically out from the goal and objectives. This is the time to make such a choice and layout. It makes sense. It's a good choice.

CONCLUSION

So that's the jist and how I think it's best looked at. Your goal determines your objectives which determine your organization (split or full body or whatever). Your experience level determines how you go about achieving all of this and how you program it. They are separate. They are not mutually exclusive. This is a good way to think about it and use this logic to arrive at what you should be doing. It is very clear and will not steer you wrong





The Myth of the Golden Program:



What Is the Art of Training



Please repeat after me - there are no golden programs, there are not golden programs, there are no golden programs....There is no static best way to train that maximizes all things that will take you from point A to Z. Get that through your head right now. Even the best way for someone to train a single facet will change over time (i.e. exactly what you've read throughout this page). People seem to want the best "do this" prescription that will work for anyone but it's really figuring out the near-term goal based on the long-term goal and then using the most appropriate tools at the time. That 'art of training' is knowing what to do and when to do it.



Don't You Already Know This? Think.



One important thing to remember is that training with weights is the same as general training. If your capacity isn't very developed, just about anything can work and have broad implications. Later on you really need to put some thought into making progress and what specifically you are trying to do during a period. This is the same as an untrained 6th grader in football. You can probably increase his speed, strength, power, agility, conditioning and skills all during the competitive season. At the college levels a highly trained athlete would laugh at the idea of being able to do all of this at once and generally settles for a few at a time while maintaining others or even allowing some regression at points in time. Consider a couch potato, just getting him out and running around in some way will no doubt translate to better 100m through middle distance performance. Compare this to the elite 100m sprinter who needs to plan even his already highly specialized sprinting workouts to make progress in his times.



Now do you really think that you are going to get maximum myofibrillar hypertrophy, maximum sarcoplasmic, maximum muscle gain, maximum refinement of detail in physique, maximum bulk, maximum cut, and maximum cardio all at once? Get real - even if you are a beginner. If you have a year or so in, an ounce of common sense will tell you that you had best start focusing on a few things and getting really good at them over a period, then reevaluating for the next period. God forbid, maybe even a basic plan and some idea of a timeline for a few months and see how it goes.



Hypertrophy is Magical, Exotic, Complicated and Mysterious; Isn't There Something Simple I Can Just Do and Get It?



Essentially - you cannot do everything at once. Get used to this idea. Set up programs over periods to accomplish specific goals, think ahead to what you will do next when that stops working and how all this integrates into your longer term plans and goals. There is no best static program for even a single highly specialized purpose. Programming will change over the long, medium, and short term. It is not as simple as going into the gym, doing some "stuff" that "works a muscle" and expecting to be rewarded for it. People need to understand this.



The simple theme is progression but executing in a reasonably successful manner over time is not stupidly easy to the point where anything will work "providing your diet is in check." It's not rocket science either - don't get me wrong. But honestly, people need to get out of the golden program mindset where they are searching for the big breakthrough in exercise order or rep scheme where suddenly everything works like magic and they put on pounds and pounds of muscle constantly. On one side, people far overcomplicate and 'voodooize' weight training to where it doesn't even resemble what's actually going on. However on the other side, they want some retard level instruction manual that says 'do this' and they never have to think about it or make a decision other than which exercise for bis. Want to know why Mentzer and HIT in general are so compelling - this is it. They provide some simplification of purpose in aligning it with progression (which is dead on although the foundations of some process, implementation, and optimization ideas are flat out wrong) and then an idiot level program of "do this, it's best for everyone, all others are inefficient and wrong." It's not that easy. It's not hard, but not quite that easy or there'd be a ton of huge strong guys in every gym doing very little work and not really having to do much with their training other than try really hard on a few efforts once in a while. And anyone who knows jack about discipline knows it's a lot easier to try hard once in a while than to really focus and pound consistently over time on something doing a constant high quantity of hard work (the gym is just a mirror of life in general). I mean get real, what would you rather do, really push hard to get that last single rep on a set or sit there and just brutally squat or deadlift set after heavy set every time you go in the gym (and any experienced lifter who's run Korte's program will laugh in your face and would gladly muster a pathologically maximum Herculean effort for a single rep at failure if it was the real progress mechanism and not purely a neural redline).



So really - there are no golden programs. Don't listen to anyone telling you there otherwise. There is only training and progression through said training. Everyone else is selling something or trying to get you to buy into their 'thing' so they feel better about themselves. If progress is happening, for the most part the program is doing it's job and you don't need to be thinking about it until it stops working.





Workload and TUT (Time Under Tension):



First TUT - don't get caught up in this. TUT is not the stimulus or causality - it just sort of falls out correlated under normal conditions. If it was causality, it would matter in all conditions. Case in point, you need to get a decent amount of mechanical work in for hypertrophy (i.e. the microtrauma thing) or perform a given number of reps with a weight heavy enough (intensity) to do the job. There's an inherent balance in there. Flat out, the more you do, the more microtrauma you get (pretty much, I guess it could get ridiculous at some point but the relationship is fairly linear for all practical purposes). So stimulus for a given training session = workload (sets X reps X weight). It just might not be the best idea for consistent progress to arrange your training with a single massive day and then curl up in a ball for a week paying for it. So thinking about this - how does TUT fit in? Real simple, it flat out takes more time to do more work. This is why TUT is correlated. If TUT was the causality though (not workload), super slow reps would be great all the time, or less reps but same amount of total time. Well once you get extreme like that TUT falls apart because you break it away from workload (basically you aren't doing more mechanical work for microtrauma, you are doing less work more slowly). It's not all that simple but that's the big chunk. Also, if you are interested in getting strong (and you had damn well better be by now if you read this page) using maximal force results in maximal concentric contraction and bar speed - this is not a negative aspect, it is very positive even though the affect on the TUT calculation is negative (workload is still equal though, bar speed is increased so time is decreased). So workload is king, don't distort TUT. TUT looks good largely because it's correlated with workload and a lot of the big TUT guys are low volume guys with some kind of ideology so the last thing they want to hear is about workload of which volume (total number of reps or sets x reps) is the major component as intensity/weight on the bar has to stay in fairly fixed bounds for resistance training.





Types of Hypertrophy:



Sarcoplasmic Hypertrophy



As far as the two types of hypertrophy - I don't know. I wouldn't really concern myself with sarcoplasmic (and by the way, that doesn't mean an increase in the number of muscle fibers, it's fluid - there's really no evidence that fibers split as far as I know, maybe in rats). I don't really have it in my head that it makes much difference in the end all. Sure, maybe after pushing really hard on core lifts for a while and getting big and strong you can drop the intensity during a period and do a bunch of pump stuff and get nice and swollen up a tad. Okay, whatever. It probably does help marginally with strength just as much as leverage/water weight/more volume in the muscle helps. Basically, I wouldn't make this a long-term goal or priority in your training unless you just like to train that way. Nothing wrong with setting aside a block of weeks to work hard on this for a bit (i.e. before a BBing competition would be very logical or after a long period of higher intensity, %1RM, training) but the core of your training as far as putting on muscle and where you spend the overwhelming majority of your time should be focusing on myofibrillar.



Myofibrillar Hypertrophy



The real core of hypertrophy is myofibrillar and this is additional muscle in the form of bigger and stronger fibers - this stuff actually translates to strength and performance (remember that I said no one every got a lot bigger without getting a lot stronger). This is the target and the foundation muscle mass. You can certainly do some muscular endurance work in high rep ranges to enhance the foundation with a sarcoplasmic emphasis but really - I've never seen anyone get very big training exclusively in the sarcoplasmic rep and intensity (%1RM) ranges while it's fairly easy to get big and strong never training explicitly in this range. Also consider that there aren't fine lines and it's more of a continuum; as long as you aren't in super heavy neural work all the time (and even pure powerlifters don't fit this bill so not to worry), you will get some sarcoplasmic hypertrophy too just from doing enough work in a given amount of time. Once again, don't get caught in the sets and reps thing - it's an artificial construct.


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Note: I'm too used on counting the side weight only. Sorry for that but it makes me easier . Lol

Squat

Warm up
2x8xbar

Real sets
1x5x27.5
1x5x37.5
1x5x47.5
1x5x57.5
1x5x67.5

Bench

Warm up
2x8xbar

Real sets
1x5x7.5
1x5x12.5
1x5x17.5
1x5x22.5
1x5x27.5



Bent Over Row

Warm up
2x8xbar

Real sets
1x5x7.5
1x5x12.5
1x5x17.5
1x5x22.5
1x5x27.5

Assisted Chin Up
2x5x15

Machine Crunches
4x8x50

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QUOTE(jones007 @ Oct 1 2007, 07:13 PM)
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Only one side counted , without the oly weight and the another side of weights.

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i mean what are u doing?
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Lol , I'm too busy to update my journal . Exam coming soon .

I'm using my own handbook 555note type and written down all my lifts and perform it , juz like jones using hp but im using hand written in a 555 book.

I will follow Madcow fully , and little bit change on the accessories .


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NO. YOU ARE NOT DOING MADCOW 5X5. TELL ME WHAT ARE U DOING

Real sets
1x5x27.5
1x5x37.5
1x5x47.5
1x5x57.5
1x5x67.5

what is that?

this is madcow

real sets
1x5x32.5
1x5x40
1x5x50
1x5x57.5
1x5x67.5

go and screw madcow. dont expect any progress, and dont bother doing it. this is the last time i'm saying it. like it or not, your choice.

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How many % is the difference . 12.5%?

Ohhh , i get what u mean ady . shit , i counted it wrong . Thx telling ..lol
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u should've have known if u read it. i'm done saying
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I READ MANY TIMES ADY , somehow i confused on the percentage things .
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20lbs ramping is not percentage calculation.
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how u count this part
How many percentage ?
1x5x50
1x5x57.5
If counted using 12.5% , it should be 47.5 .
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i'm using 13%. 10-15% choose one
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I using 12.5% but the first set 27.5 should be 30 for me . I counted wrongly , thx for guiding.
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what u planning to do for arms work on triple day?
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Same as yours ,
Others also same as yours except the leg raise, I changed it to machine crunches.

Hey don't u feel its like overtraining your abs , monday u do 4sets of abs , wednesday u do again 3sets of light abs workout ...
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definitely its over training my abs. too much. i actually stopped all core exercises already. after squat my abs and lower back is fukked up. start for 2 months still can do, after that really fukked up.

even now i canot do dips properly after bench press. i'm doing powerlifter way, elbows tucked in, thats why my tricep is fukked up after bench press.

u however still need to do it. untill u canot do it.
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u created a account yesterday to say good luck?
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god damn fukking google

its a disease!

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training abs!= training core

core is indirectly trained via squats, deadlift and almost all standing exercises without belt.

y need to train abs so much? during Rippetoe I seldom do the inclined weighted situp thingy. Still can do hanging leg raises with just a bar wink.gif
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Reps W4 W5 W6 W7 W8 W9 W10 W11 W12
5 98 100 103 105 108 110 113 115 118
5 122 125 128 131 134 138 141 144 147
5 146 150 154 158 161 165 169 173 176
5 171 175 179 184 188 193 197 201 206
5 195 200 205 210 215 220 225 230 235

5 58 60 63 65 68 70 73 75 78
5 72 75 78 81 84 88 91 94 97
5 86 90 94 98 101 105 109 113 116
5 101 105 109 114 118 123 127 131 136
5 115 120 125 130 135 140 145 150 155

5 58 60 63 65 68 70 73 75 78
5 72 75 78 81 84 88 91 94 97
5 86 90 94 98 101 105 109 113 116
5 101 105 109 114 118 123 127 131 136
5 115 120 125 130 135 140 145 150 155
Assistance:
2 Sets of Chin up x 5reps
4 Sets of heavy Situps

5 98 100 103 105 108 110 113 115 118
5 122 125 128 131 134 138 141 144 147
5 146 150 154 158 161 165 169 173 176
5 146 150 154 158 161 165 169 173 176

5 53 56 59 63 66 69 72 75 78
5 64 68 71 75 79 83 86 90 94
5 74 79 83 88 92 96 101 105 109
5 85 90 95 100 105 110 115 120 125

5 138 144 147 153 156 163 166 172 175
5 165 173 176 184 188 195 199 206 210
5 193 201 206 214 219 228 232 241 245
5 220 230 235 245 250 260 265 275 280
Assistance:
3 Sets of Situps

5 98 100 103 105 108 110 113 115 118
5 122 125 128 131 134 138 141 144 147
5 146 150 154 158 161 165 169 173 176
5 171 175 179 184 188 193 197 201 206
3 200 205 210 215 220 225 230 235 240
8 146 150 154 158 161 165 169 173 176

5 58 60 63 65 68 70 73 75 78
5 72 75 78 81 84 88 91 94 97
5 86 90 94 98 101 105 109 113 116
5 101 105 109 114 118 123 127 131 136
3 120 125 130 135 140 145 150 155 160
8 86 90 94 98 101 105 109 113 116

5 58 60 63 65 68 70 73 75 78
5 72 75 78 81 84 88 91 94 97
5 86 90 94 98 101 105 109 113 116
5 101 105 109 114 118 123 127 131 136
3 120 125 130 135 140 145 150 155 160
8 86 90 94 98 101 105 109 113 116
Assistance
3 Sets of Dips x 5-8 reps
3 Sets of Barbell Curls x 8 reps
3 Sets of Triceps Extensions x 8 reps
3 Sets of Lat Pull Down x 8-10reps

Week 5 starting tomorrow .

MONDAY

SQUAT
BENCH
ROW

WEDNESDAY

SQUAT
MP
DEADLIFT

FRIDAY

SQUAT
BENCH
ROW

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looks complicated....but good luck homey....thanks for guiding me in the squats thumbup.gif
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Sauce : http://www.geocities.com/elitemadcow1/5x5_.../Linear_5x5.htm

@ Disciple

No problem bro , you're welcome. Thanks for reading those articles I given to u , your eyes gotta bleed .


Added on November 9, 2007, 10:47 pmWOOOOOOOOOOOOHHHHH , DEADLIFTED 245LBS 111kg

Yes , and it was easy . LoL

finally tried the 100lbs plates , so damn syok , everyone looking at me deadlifting . fuk dig shit , dam u PTs who look down on me when I was a fat ass .

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WOOOOOOOOOOOOHHHHH , DEADLIFTED 245LBS 111kg

Yes , and it was easy . LoL

finally tried the 100lbs plates , so damn syok , everyone looking at me deadlifting . fuk dig shit , dam u PTs who look down on me when I was a fat ass .


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u used 100lbs plates to do deadlift? sweat.gif i have problem carrying over to the leg press machine =.=
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the 100lbs plates no problem to carry it to the bar.....but removing it will be abit of headache....congrats homey...for me deadlifting 245 most probably will be in another 3-4 years time sweat.gif
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Lol , at first I also got problem . But Ikram (oly lifter fit pro) taught me many useful tips , he roll the 100lbs to the power rack there. Lol , just like rolling tayar . swt

and he taught me how to remove plates easily , example if u have 2 45lbs , its hard to remove rite ? place 1 2.5lbs under the inner 45lbs plate and u can remove the outer 45lbs easily. Lolx
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dude, if u r alone, how u gonna lift it up and put the small plate? tried doing alone, too much trouble. i roleld my 100lbs plate to the leg press oso wot. still susah.
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QUOTE(jones007 @ Nov 10 2007, 09:30 AM)
dude, if u r alone, how u gonna lift it up and put the small plate? tried doing alone, too much trouble. i roleld my 100lbs plate to the leg press oso wot. still susah.
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Added on November 10, 2007, 10:09 amLol fuk , I laugh like shit when I reading back my previous post , holy dam I'm so childish . w00t.

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Well congratulations on your DL. Told ya MadCow will do your body good.

Now eat biggrin.gif
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Cutting season with lipo6.

Following the FFB handbook.

1) First and foremost, the FFB shouldn't bulk until after he's ripped. That may seem like paradoxical advice, but it's just the rules of the game for the FFB.

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Are You an FFB?

You could be an FFB if:

. You've lost over 30 pounds of fat (roughly) in the past.

. You can gain fat at a frighteningly rapid rate.

. You've learned that the typical advice concerning bulking, cutting, and even training doesn't seem to work for you.

. You have the urge to smack self-confessed "hardgainers" in the head when they complain about not being able to gain weight or not liking to eat. Poor babies! Smack!

Until now, there's been very little info out there for FFBs. What follows is a summary of everything I've learned as an FFB and from working with other FFBs over the years. Some of this is based on studies and some of it is based on my own empirical data. Everyone is different when it comes to the details; there are a lot of variables involved, but this "handbook" should be a decent (albeit general) guide for the typical former fatty just trying to stay lean and build muscle.


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Training

More than a normal person, the FFB needs to train hard, perform both resistance training and cardio, and do it forever. He can't even slack off a little. Where most people can take it easy and at least maintain, the FFB will immediately begin gaining fat.

Here are some basic rules for FFB training:

1) Use mostly big, basic exercises. Not bad advice for anyone really, but the FFB must build muscle to boost that crappy metabolism, and the way to do that is to revolve most of his training time around these exercises:

Deadlift
Squat
Row
Pull-up
Bench press
Dips
Overhead press

MADCOW.

There are plenty of other good exercises out there, but these exercises or variations thereof should make up the core of his training. They build the most muscle and burn the most calories. The FFB requires both.


Lets see how it goes , 6packs before 2009 else my hair will be BOTAK !!! shocking.gif
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Hey Canopies,

Is lipo6 like Hydroxy cut? In tablet form?

What's the usual price for that?

I have no idea what's the price of supplements here coz I have never bought any in Malaysia before.

Thanks in advance.

Cheers,
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I'm torn.

I want to see Canopies with 6 packs but I also want to see him bald biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(kianweic @ Nov 21 2007, 09:01 AM)
Hey Canopies,

Is lipo6 like Hydroxy cut? In tablet form?

What's the usual price for that?

I have no idea what's the price of supplements here coz I have never bought any in Malaysia before.

Thanks in advance.

Cheers,
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Lets see how it goes , 6packs before 2009 else my hair will be BOTAK !!!  shocking.gif
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notworthy.gif respect...at least you set yourself a deadline to get the abs....lolz...maybe you can go botak and have 6 pack at the same time....that'll be awesome dude...ill follow too
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Holy shit , after taking lipo6 for the 5th day , I get sick man!!! FEVER , body temperature was 29 celcius . OMG ...shit now , sick ady.
Lol , I think I will only take it after my fever gone. Holy shyt , I will take 2biji only before cardio . No 4biji per day for me ady . sweat.gif


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u r done with madcow already?
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Not yet , but cutting .

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Holy shit , after taking lipo6 for the 5th day , I get sick man!!! FEVER , body temperature was 29 celcius . OMG ...shit now , sick ady.
Lol , I think I will only take it after my fever gone. Holy shyt , I will take 2biji only before cardio . No 4biji per day for me ady . sweat.gif
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now seeing you got fever makes me think twice of taking lipo sweat.gif
**already desperate to lose the fats

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I am taking lipo too , but not as much as you take la .. Maximum for one day i only take 2 capsule . My lipo has be with me for about 2 months + , but its still have half bottle coz i do not consume everyday . Only consume on the day i going to workout / basketball tongue.gif .

Yeah i admit at the beginning it make me sick and stomach dont feel well , and i have stop consuming it for 1 week then start consume back to see whether the effect will be same or not .
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QUOTE(danilo5753 @ Nov 21 2007, 10:27 PM)
I am taking lipo too , but not as much as you take la .. Maximum for one day i only take 2 capsule . My lipo has be with me for about 2 months + , but its still have half bottle coz i do not consume everyday . Only consume on the day i going to workout / basketball tongue.gif .

Yeah i admit at the beginning it make me sick and stomach dont feel well , and i have stop consuming it for 1 week then start consume back to see whether the effect will be same or not .
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QUOTE(Canopies @ Nov 22 2007, 02:29 AM)
OOO...cos I following the instruction ma , damn cant tahan la...should take 2 only before cardio. Afternoon if I take I will be like here everyday , can't sleep...fuk cry.gif
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Rest for 1 week , realized my immune system dropped . Lol , I never rest before since started , feeling like going to over training.


Added on November 22, 2007, 4:56 pm
QUOTE(darklight79 @ Jul 17 2007, 07:52 PM)
Which is exactly my point. Newbie gains are deceptive. They give a false sense of invulnerability but when wear and tear happens on the CNS, joints, ligaments then only will trainees realize sometimes you gotta go by feel and not be pressured to make PRs.
As a probodybuilder said, a person can train for 3 years and still can be considered a newbie. It takes years and years of experience to get things right and dialed in.
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Which is exactly my point. Newbie gains are deceptive. They give a false sense of invulnerability but when wear and tear happens on the CNS, joints, ligaments then only will trainees realize sometimes you gotta go by feel and not be pressured to make PRs.
As a probodybuilder said, a person can train for 3 years and still can be considered a newbie. It takes years and years of experience to get things right and dialed in.
july 17 2007, 07:52 PM


In before my joints ligaments CNS burned out , lol....

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hope this conversation is read and learn by the people here i guess smile.gif its not our loss...
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Haha. Well, as long as we're experiencing hypertrophy, that's all that matters because that is what you and I are after. Do you remember watching one of Milos Sarcev's videos on chest training? He once walked into a gym, a trainee who had an above average chest but nothing special was benching 315lbs.
Another trainee was just benching 60kg, but had a well developed almost competition class chest. It's mind muscle connection mate.Jul 17 2007, 08:02 PM
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5RM

Deadlift - 285
Squat - 225
Bench - 155
MP- 95
Row- 155

Before Madcow

Deadlift - 205
Squat - 175
Bench - 115
MP - 80
Row - 105

Madcow:

Superb program for Strength and CNS efficiency development. Increases muscle mass in overall body , 3-4kg in 4months , and now its my time to go for cutting. Quad and hamstring development is great , heavy squat 3 times a week makes u feel like shit at the end of your program period. Good for newbie+ trainers , increases efficiency in CNS and hence it helps in recruiting more fibers in hypertrophy program especially in splits with 6-10reps. Going for bodypart split now.

Day 1: Chest
Day 2: Back
Day 3: Rest
Day 4: Legs
Day 5: Rest
Day 6: Shoulders/Arms
Day 7: Rest

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Day 1
Chest
4x10 BB/DB Flat Bench Press
4x10 DB/BB Incline Bench Press
4x10 DB/cable Fly
3x10 Shrugs Variation

Day 2
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4x10 Bent Over Row
4x10 DB Row Variation
4x10 Pulldown Variation
4x10 Cable Row Variation
2x1 Negative Wide PUll Up

Day 3
Rest

Day 4 abs/leg
Leg
4x10 Squat Variation
4x10 Leg press
4x10 lunges variation
4x10 Leg Curl
4x16-20 Calf Raise

Day 5
Rest

Day 6
Shoulders
3x10 Shoulder press Variation(military, DB press etc)
3x10 DB/cable Rear Lateral Raise
3x10 DB/cable Side Lateral Raise
Bicep
3x6-10 Wide Grip EZ bar Preacher curls
3x6-10 Incline Curl
Tricep
3x10 Weighted Dips
3x10 Extension Variation
3x10 Rope PullDowns

Day 7
Rest

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wait. that routine looks so damn familiar lol
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wait. that routine looks so damn familiar lol
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i made a lot of changes already tho @@" 4x10 is not ideal lol
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i made a lot of changes already tho @@" 4x10 is not ideal lol
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not sure le. i experimenting myself with dorian yate's principle. u might grow well with volume wot.
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Hey, bro, apa khabar ?
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yo bro... hows ur progress? sorry din reply ur pm biggrin.gif happy workout dudeeeeeeeeeee...
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Update :

Weight before 90days cutting challenge 84-85kg after madcow zzz.

Weight now 78kg.


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already reach 90 days meh?
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eiii bro...

i'm really inspired by reading your thread...

congratulations...!!!
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eiii bro...

i'm really inspired by reading your thread...

congratulations...!!!
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oi oi oi...no updates 1??
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Haha , no lar . Just another update - Lol forgot how many kgs i lost , around 40kg ady, of course not all is fats , little muscle loss and trying to get bcaa to get my final cutting done .Lolx
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oi fatty! haha, now become skinny edi wtf...


Added on September 23, 2008, 12:24 amhey, wat to eat during workout??

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during workout? drink water lah
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during workout? drink water lah
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lol...pic at 1st page anyway. miss this place

 

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