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post Dec 14 2015, 08:03 PM, updated 10y ago

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Fundsupermart.com (FSM) Malaysia is the online unit trust distribution arm of iFAST Capital Sdn. Bhd. ("iFAST Capital").

iFAST Capital is a holder of a Capital Markets Services Licence (CMSL) and is licensed by the Securities Commission to conduct the following regulated activities:

- To deal in unit trusts
- To offer investment advisory services
- To deal in Private Retirement Scheme

iFAST Capital is also registered with the Federation of Investment Managers Malaysia (FiMM) as an Institutional Unit Trust Adviser (IUTA).

iFAST Capital is a subsidiary of iFAST Malaysia Sdn. Bhd., which is wholly owned by iFAST Corporation Ltd. ("iFAST Corporation"). iFAST Corporation is headquartered in Singapore and the iFAST group of companies are also present in Hong Kong, Malaysia and China. The company was incorporated in Singapore on 10 January 2000.

iFAST Corporation was listed on the Singapore Exchange Mainboard in December 2014.

iFAST Corporation, via its wholly owned subsidiary iFAST Financial Pte. Ltd., is Singapore's leading online distributor of unit trusts as well as the leading operator of an investment platform for financial advisers and financial institutions. It carries the Capital Markets Services (CMS) and Financial Adviser (FA) licences issued by the Monetary Authority of Singapore (MAS), and is also one of three appointed Central Provident Board (CPF) Investment Administrators.

One of iFAST Corporation's shareholders is SPH AsiaOne Ltd, the Internet arm of Singapore Press Holdings, which is Singapore's largest media group. In recent years, iFAST Corporation has been expanding beyond local shores. In 2007, iFAST Corporation launched its first overseas business, Fundsupermart in Hong Kong and in 2008, it launched Fundsupermart in Malaysia. iFAST Corporation launched its office in China in 2014.



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1. Wide range of information
2. Extensive product range and value-added services
3. One of the cheapest Sales Charges in town! thumbup.gif


To keep discussions at this thread fruitful and constructive, it would be greatly appreciated that fellow investors try to look for answer to their queries at Frequently Asked Questions before posting here. icon_rolleyes.gif

And FSM has a very helpful LIVE Customer Service, MAKE FULL USE OF THEM. Look for this at FSM home page:
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What is unit trust?
Federation of Investment Managers Malaysia - ABC of Unit Trusts

Other FAQs on Fundsupermart.com and unit trust investing in general

1. NAV pricing and processing time
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2. The NAV price of the fund that I'm interested in is quite high now, should I stay away? Investment gurus always say "buy low, sell high"...
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FSM Idea Of The Week: Unit Split and High Fund Price Misconceptions [24 October 2014]
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Investors should not judge if a unit trust is cheap or expensive based on its unit trust price or NAV. Instead, they should focus on the valuations (PE ratios) of the underlying equity markets that the unit trust invests in.


3. Common misconceptions about unit trust dividends/distributions:

(i) After dividend distribution, NAV price will go down, the fund will become cheaper.
(ii) A fund that declares dividends is better than a fund that does not, dividends are my profit, they make me richer.

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(iii) Topping up my holdings after dividend distribution pulls down my cost per unit, lower cost = higher profit.
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(iv) Distribution = Income
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Ok so after dividend distribution, you get some additional units and NAV drops. Then after few weeks if fund perform well then NAV increases to the point where it is back to the NAV before distribution. Doesnt it mean you gain some income from distribution?
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Then what's the point of dividend distribution since units and NAV price has negative correlation?
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4. Annual Management Charge, Trustee Fee and NAV pricing
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5. Return On Investment (ROI) vs Annualised Return, similar to Internal Rate of Return (IRR)
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Important link to v8 - The MS Excel Masterclass version!

Download here >>> Pinky's Portfolio Worksheet with IRR Calculation

Download here >>> polarzbearz's Portfolio Summary with Pinky's IRR Calculation (and here for Polarzbearz's FSM-to-Spreadsheet Conversion Tool)
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Make sure you read the instructions as many of the cells have formula in it. You can freely modify, update, or change it to suit your needs (and even share with others if you don't mind tongue.gif )

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My personal experience in investing in unit trusts:-

1.   We invest in unit trusts using spare cash. We have back up emergency funds of at least 3-6 months. No bad debts e.g. credit card debts.

2.   Long term investment horizon of at least 2-3 years. This will even out the market fluctuation.

3.   We cannot time the market. Therefore we have to do DCA or VCA and do portfolio rebalancing from time to time.

If we cannot satisfy the above requirements, it is best to stay away from unit trust investments or any other investments for that matter. Unit trust investments is not a capital guaranteed get rich quick scheme. There are risks involved.
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I am not a UT agent, nor am I employed by FSM. All my comments here are posted in good faith and with the intention to share knowledge. I am not to be held liable for any losses that may be incurred as a result of following any advice/opinion shared here. I believe the same should be applicable for any other LYN members posting here.
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and the learning and roller coaster ride continues...

so when money leaves Asian shores for US after the rate hike, will we see too much of a drop in the coming 3 - 6 months?
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Ponzi 1.0 ---> Affin Hwang Select Asia (Ex Japan) Quantum Fund

Ponzi 2.0 ---> CIMB-Principal Asia Pacific Dynamic Income Fund

Evergreen Fund / Lee Sook Yee  wub.gif  ---> Kenanga Growth Fund

Aladdin Fund ---> Aberdeen Islamic World Equity Fund

Small-Cap Fund  ---> Eastspring Investment Small-Cap Fund

Titanic Fund  ---> CIMB-Principle Global Titan Fund

Anitamui Fund ---> Libra Asnita Bond Fund

p/s: Reason for nickname Ponzi Because of its impressive return in short term (historical)


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new thread the 13th

anyway today what fund you all top up ?



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Manulife china fund.
Now -4% cry.gif

anyway today what fund you all top up ?
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Just realized v13 was born today
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wow...reporting too to new thread

just incase someone want link to V12....
https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/3730638

this version...
a locally back tested portfolio by "lukenn" at 10.92% CAGR on last 10 yrs (2004~2014) at 50% FI : 50% EQ
page# 37, post# 723

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returns not fixed charts. May not repeat

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Reporting in..


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QUOTE(David83 @ Dec 14 2015, 09:47 PM)
Salary not in yet! cry.gif
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Baru middle of the month wor... want to take the opportunity to top up during this promo is it?
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Baru middle of the month wor... want to take the opportunity to top up during this promo is it?
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Maybe into Aladdin fund!
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QUOTE(David83 @ Dec 14 2015, 09:57 PM)
Maybe into Aladdin fund!
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I need to settle my insurance annual premium first this week, then I see how much I can top up... cry.gif
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US Third Avenue Fund in liquidation,,, any FSM fund has finger there ?
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Dun understand y FSM include 2 Bond Funds (0% s/c) into 1% promo
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okay will top up next week smile.gif
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[quote=moon0610,Dec 14 2015, 08:48 PM]
Manulife china fund.
Now -4% cry.gif

anyway today what fund you all top up ?
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RHB Big Cap China Enterprise Fund

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QUOTE(wil-i-am @ Dec 14 2015, 11:07 PM)
Dun understand y FSM include 2 Bond Funds (0% s/c) into 1% promo
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Maybe you can email them and ask? icon_idea.gif
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Skip the video to 14:02

"Investors should be 'de-risking' going into 2016," says Wong Weiyi, General Manager of Fundsupermart Malaysia.

He tells Bloomberg TV Malaysia that Fundsupermart is removing their overweight call on equities relative to bonds for the first time in eight years.

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Skip the video to 14:02

"Investors should be 'de-risking' going into 2016," says Wong Weiyi, General Manager of Fundsupermart Malaysia.

He tells Bloomberg TV Malaysia that Fundsupermart is removing their overweight call on equities relative to bonds for the first time in eight years.

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Wow, very impressive of FSM to have the balls to come out and say something like this. So anyone selling yet? I moved a bit out of Titans last week into Asian Total Return. Now I may have to consider moving more, maybe even out to cash.
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hi sifus all... i'm looking to diversify out to global markets as currently i'm already holding quite a bit of malaysian and regional equities. Looking at the two global fund in FSM, i'm currently deciding between Titan fund and Eastspring Global Leaders. As bullets not enough, i can only choose one..

The upcoming rate hike by the Feds would affect these two funds right.. should i go into the fund now or hold back cash on hand first? Anyway, my amount is not large (<RM 5k) per investment as i do consistent dollar cost averaging.
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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Dec 15 2015, 08:10 AM)
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QUOTE(wankongyew @ Dec 15 2015, 09:55 AM)
Wow, very impressive of FSM to have the balls to come out and say something like this. So anyone selling yet? I moved a bit out of Titans last week into Asian Total Return. Now I may have to consider moving more, maybe even out to cash.
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Nope. I’ll stay and VCA... might consider Asian Total Return too. but will not increase the % allocation of fund for bond.

"Be fearful when others are greedy and greedy when others are fearful" - Warren Buffett

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QUOTE(wankongyew @ Dec 15 2015, 09:55 AM)
Wow, very impressive of FSM to have the balls to come out and say something like this. So anyone selling yet? I moved a bit out of Titans last week into Asian Total Return. Now I may have to consider moving more, maybe even out to cash.
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many posts back,...one forummer had posted that the impressive returns of Asian Total return fund was contributed largely by the depreciation of the Ringgit....
wanna take take into consideration?
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QUOTE(raist86 @ Dec 15 2015, 10:14 AM)
hi sifus all... i'm looking to diversify out to global markets as currently i'm already holding quite a bit of malaysian and regional equities. Looking at the two global fund in FSM, i'm currently deciding between Titan fund and Eastspring Global Leaders. As bullets not enough, i can only choose one..

The upcoming rate hike by the Feds would affect these two funds right.. should i go into the fund now or hold back cash on hand first? Anyway, my amount is not large (<RM 5k) per investment as i do consistent dollar cost averaging.
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here is the latest article by FSM...hope it helps...
Fed-Proofing” Your Portfolio: 3 Things To Do...... [27 Nov 15]
http://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/resea...27-Nov-15--6556
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QUOTE(yklooi @ Dec 15 2015, 12:20 PM)
many posts back,...one forummer had posted that the impressive returns of Asian Total return fund was contributed largely by the depreciation of the Ringgit....
wanna take take into consideration?
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Even so, it doesn't seem that the Ringgit is likely to bounce back anytime soon what with the oil price being what it is. Do you have an alternative to suggest?
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Even so, it doesn't seem that the Ringgit is likely to bounce back anytime soon what with the oil price being what it is. Do you have an alternative to suggest?
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what i think that forummer was saying is that the Ringgit had already fallen by a large %, so the Asian total Returns fund had gained almost by that rate too.
will the Ringgit continue to fall at that rate from now?

wanna try this if you want Bond?
EASTSPRING INVESTMENTS BOND FUND FSM Risk rating = 2 where else Asian total return = 4
http://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/fundi...d-Fund-MYPRUBON
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i was actually shopping around for good bond fund and this has come timely....

was actually aiming for Affin Hwang Select Bond fund...good, consistent and diversified performer...but this celaka FSM dont carry this fund anymore....bugger!


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QUOTE(adele123 @ Nov 27 2015, 02:35 PM)
IRR: 7.84%
ROI: 8.29%

FundIRR (%)ROI (%)
Kenanga Growth Fund7.008.65
Aberdeen Islamic World Equity Fund8.359.92
CIMB Asia Pacific Dynamic Income Fund8.278.46
CIMB AP PRS6.574.31
Manulife India0.080.07
Eastspring AxJ Target Return Fund5.174.40
RHB Asian Total Return Fund23.4416.44

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IRR: 5.91%
ROI: 6.43%

FundIRR (%)ROI (%)
Kenanga Growth Fund5.567.14
Aberdeen Islamic World Equity Fund5.016.20
CIMB Asia Pacific Dynamic Income Fund6.727.22
CIMB AP PRS4.122.42
Manulife India-0.05-0.04
Eastspring AxJ Target Return Fund3.192.88
RHB Asian Total Return Fund24.1918.20

what a change 3 weeks later...

thinking about switching out of Eastspring.
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QUOTE(jutamind @ Dec 15 2015, 02:24 PM)
i was actually shopping around for good bond fund and this has come timely....

was actually aiming for Affin Hwang Select Bond fund...good, consistent and diversified performer...but this celaka FSM dont carry this fund anymore....bugger!
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U may consider RHB ATRF or RHB EMBF
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How do you guys switch?

From this page?

http://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/buyse...ntroduction.tpl

Can't seem to find the "more" button from the switch section

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QUOTE(ohcipala @ Dec 15 2015, 06:54 PM)
How do you guys switch?

From this page?

http://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/buyse...ntroduction.tpl

Can't seem to find the "more" button from the switch section
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try from the main page...click on transaction, then....


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QUOTE(T231H @ Dec 15 2015, 07:00 PM)
try from the main page...click on transaction, then....
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Wow... you are using Edge!! Better than others?
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cry.gif just update my portfolio... drop 3.5% vs last month!!
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QUOTE(Kaka23 @ Dec 15 2015, 08:27 PM)
cry.gif  just update my portfolio... drop 3.5% vs last month!!
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Drop means topup icon_idea.gif

Don't forget to topup during promo period biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(yklooi @ Dec 15 2015, 12:20 PM)
many posts back,...one forummer had posted that the impressive returns of Asian Total return fund was contributed largely by the depreciation of the Ringgit....
wanna take take into consideration?
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ATR Fund is a feeder fund of Asia High Yield Bond Fund. What's is performance of the latter? (I am surfing with mobile so don't feel like checking it out.)

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QUOTE(ohcipala @ Dec 15 2015, 08:41 PM)
Drop means topup icon_idea.gif

Don't forget to topup during promo period biggrin.gif
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Kering already this month... use almost 10K for SSPN and Insurance sweat.gif
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Dec 15 2015, 08:40 PM)
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The so called precious metals used to be hedge against inflation, but we are facing the risk of deflation whistling.gif
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QUOTE(Kaka23 @ Dec 15 2015, 08:50 PM)
Kering already this month... use almost 10K for SSPN and Insurance  sweat.gif
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That's why don't do things last minute.

PRS and SSPN should have done earlier like middle of the year when you know that you somehow need it for tax reduction!
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QUOTE(David83 @ Dec 15 2015, 09:26 PM)
That's why don't do things last minute.

PRS and SSPN should have done earlier like middle of the year when you know that you somehow need it for tax reduction!
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QUOTE(Kaka23 @ Dec 15 2015, 08:50 PM)
Kering already this month... use almost 10K for SSPN and Insurance  sweat.gif
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For those big annual expenditures, u should provide for the money i.e. set aside month-to-month basis.

FSM u have CMF, use it. E.g. your insurance p.a. is RM2,400, every month, dump RM200 into CMF come rain or shine. When it comes to payment time, take out from CMF.
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QUOTE(David83 @ Dec 15 2015, 09:26 PM)
That's why don't do things last minute.

PRS and SSPN should have done earlier like middle of the year when you know that you somehow need it for tax reduction!
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we Malaysian love to do everything last minutes blush.gif laugh.gif
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QUOTE(river.sand @ Dec 15 2015, 08:46 PM)
ATR Fund is a feeder fund of Asia High Yield Bond Fund. What's is performance of the latter? (I am surfing with mobile so don't feel like checking it out.)
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the fund fact sheet says...."The Fund is a feeder fund that will invest principally in the United Asian Bond Fund, which is a collective investment scheme domiciled in Singapore investing in debt securities issued by Asian corporations, Asian financial institutions, Asian government and their agencies (including money market instruments) by generally maintaining an exposure of at least 70% and above in such debt securities."...

check the Bloomberg...the performance is 8.5% 1 yr return. (see image)


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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Dec 15 2015, 09:43 PM)
For those big annual expenditures, u should provide for the money i.e. set aside month-to-month basis.

FSM u have CMF, use it. E.g. your insurance p.a. is RM2,400, every month, dump RM200 into CMF come rain or shine. When it comes to payment time, take out from CMF.
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This one need discipline lo. Else very tempting to use the money in CMF to invest. Haha
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Dec 15 2015, 09:43 PM)
For those big annual expenditures, u should provide for the money i.e. set aside month-to-month basis.

FSM u have CMF, use it. E.g. your insurance p.a. is RM2,400, every month, dump RM200 into CMF come rain or shine. When it comes to payment time, take out from CMF.
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QUOTE(ohcipala @ Dec 15 2015, 09:48 PM)
This one need discipline  lo. Else very tempting to use the money in CMF to invest. Haha
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If over-invested, tighten your belts when it comes to payment time lor whistling.gif
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cry.gif  just update my portfolio... drop 3.5% vs last month!!
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QUOTE(yklooi @ Dec 15 2015, 09:45 PM)
the fund fact sheet says...."The Fund is a feeder fund that will invest principally in the United Asian Bond Fund, which is a collective investment scheme domiciled in Singapore investing in debt securities issued by Asian corporations, Asian financial institutions, Asian government and their agencies (including money market instruments) by generally maintaining an exposure of at least 70% and above in such debt securities."...

check the Bloomberg...the performance is 8.5% 1 yr return. (see image)
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So depreciation of ringgit is not the only factor which contributes to the high return of ATR.
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So depreciation of ringgit is not the only factor which contributes to the high return of ATR.
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yes depreciation is not the only factor...but what is the main factor?
what is the RHB ATR YTD (RM) returns compared to United Asian Bond Fund (SGD) YTD returns?
at the same time how much on YTD had MYR dropped against SGD?


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Hi all, can anyone advice what's the PRS name of ponzi 2?
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Hi all, can anyone advice what's the PRS name of ponzi 2?
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this one?
CIMB-PRINCIPAL PRS PLUS ASIA PACIFIC EX JAPAN EQUITY - CLASS C
http://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/admin...etMYCPPRS5C.pdf
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this one?
CIMB-PRINCIPAL PRS PLUS ASIA PACIFIC EX JAPAN EQUITY - CLASS C 
http://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/admin...etMYCPPRS5C.pdf
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which of the 7 fund with 1% promo sc is worth getting into?
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which of the 7 fund with 1% promo sc is worth getting into?
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which of the 7 not in your portfolio yet ?
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My take is Ponzi 2, EI GLMF, AIWEF n CIMB GCEF
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My take is Ponzi 2, EI GLMF, AIWEF n CIMB GCEF
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why not MCEF ?
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Both CIMB GCEF n MCEF invest in Greater China
Personally I prefer CIMB brand
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My take is Ponzi 2, EI GLMF, AIWEF n CIMB GCEF
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What is Ponzi 2?
edited: sorry found it

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What is Ponzi 2?
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FSM UT kaboom also nvm
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FSM UT kaboom also nvm
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pinky, what is your % between local stocks and UT? today market  brows.gif
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About local stocks 60:40 FSM UT blush.gif
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nod.gif  thanks. I had been allocate more to stocks side too due to weak market recently, current still overweight abit on diversified UT.
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But with Ringgit at 4.30 to USD1, I won't be topping up on UTs like Titanic for the time being.

FSM advocate to go neutral, but with weak Ringgit and toppish MGS yield, bonds (whether local or Asian) also not attractive doh.gif

Pump into CMF je yawn.gif

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But with Ringgit at 4.30 to USD1, I won't be topping up on UTs like Titanic for the time being.

FSM advocate to go neutral, but with weak Ringgit and toppish MGS yield, bonds (whether local or Asian) also not attractive doh.gif

Pump into CMF je yawn.gif
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Asia Dynamic got promo also not topping up?

Look at the Hang Seng chart, looks like still falling.
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Asia Dynamic got promo also not topping up?

Look at the Hang Seng chart, looks like still falling.
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My trigger for topping up has just activated...3-months return is now -1%

But, hold on 1st, still got 1 week to go hmm.gif
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Asia Dynamic got promo also not topping up?

Look at the Hang Seng chart, looks like still falling.
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Ponzi 2.0 looks like reaching previous support level......of abt 7x past 10 months, reached this level then bounce up.....
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Did anyone started to lock-in promo rate?
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Ponzi 2.0 looks like reaching previous support level......of abt 7x past 10 months, reached this level then bounce up.....
hmm.gif if history can be relied upon for repeat of performance...then .....
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Macam main forex je!
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support level hmm.gif
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Aiya! Don't spoil the fun tongue.gif
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support level  hmm.gif
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yes,..because of past 7x......I just entered (gambled) 1.7% into it yesterday
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yes,..because of past 7x......I just entered (gambled) 1.7% into it yesterday
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yes,..because of past 7x......I just entered (gambled) 1.7% into it yesterday
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When you want to play with support and resistance, need to play correctly. Don't buy until it bounce off the support. What happen if it break the support line instead of bounce up?
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hmm.gif Then die-lor biggrin.gif

no-lah....if this 1.7% were to drop again by 10% of NAV....then it will only affect my portfolio by 0.17%...then if calculate IRR...it will be affected by 0.05% different.....I think it is still bearable.

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doh.gif just made a simulation.....
if my % of ROI since invest were to increase by 10% pa from now till DEC 2019,
my IRR is just 6.33%

hmm.gif what are my chances of getting 10% pa percentage of ROI since invest continuously for the next 4 years?
my guess is, it will be VERY slim....so are my chances of having IRR > 6% cry.gif
hmm.gif is my calculation wrong or my expectation of investment is wrong... rclxub.gif

any TAIKOR(s) can help comment? notworthy.gif

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Fed Ends Zero-Rate Era; Signals 4 Quarter-Point Increases in 2016

The Federal Reserve raised interest rates for the first time in almost a decade, a widely telegraphed move that Chair Janet Yellen said would be followed by “gradual” tightening as officials watch for evidence of higher inflation.

The Federal Open Market Committee unanimously voted to set the new target range for the federal funds rate at 0.25 percent to 0.5 percent, up from zero to 0.25 percent. Policy makers separately forecast an appropriate rate of 1.375 percent at the end of 2016, the same as September, implying four quarter-point increases in the target range next year, based on the median number from 17 officials.

URL: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/201...-2016-increases
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Fed Ends Zero-Rate Era; Signals 4 Quarter-Point Increases in 2016

The Federal Reserve raised interest rates for the first time in almost a decade, a widely telegraphed move that Chair Janet Yellen said would be followed by “gradual” tightening as officials watch for evidence of higher inflation.

The Federal Open Market Committee unanimously voted to set the new target range for the federal funds rate at 0.25 percent to 0.5 percent, up from zero to 0.25 percent. Policy makers separately forecast an appropriate rate of 1.375 percent at the end of 2016, the same as September, implying four quarter-point increases in the target range next year, based on the median number from 17 officials.

URL: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/201...-2016-increases
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Ponzi 2.0 looks like reaching previous support level......of abt 7x past 10 months, reached this level then bounce up.....
hmm.gif if history can be relied upon for repeat of performance...then .....
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doh.gif  just made a simulation.....
if my % of ROI since invest were to increase by 10% pa from now till DEC 2019,
my IRR is just 6.33%

hmm.gif what are my chances of getting 10% pa percentage of ROI since invest continuously for the next 4 years?
my guess is, it will be VERY slim....so are my chances of having IRR > 6%  cry.gif
hmm.gif is my calculation wrong or my expectation of investment is wrong... rclxub.gif

any TAIKOR(s) can help comment?  notworthy.gif
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Low IRR is dragged down by past performance, which is something you can't change. What is important is future performance.
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QUOTE(river.sand @ Dec 17 2015, 09:08 AM)
Low IRR is dragged down by past performance, which is something you can't change. What is important is future performance.
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yes, that is correct....
that is why my dilemma starts....
achieving 10% pa increase in ROI is very NOT easy, what is more to try to get it continuously for years....
(looking at the chart/data.....the increase of IRR rate of latter years (2018/2019) is reducing,...I guess it will get less and less after 2020...even though the figures shows a 10% pa increase in ROI)
I had try almost 100% EQ for 1 yr with no better results, currently at about 65% EQ, so what is your suggestion/advise?

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QUOTE(yklooi @ Dec 17 2015, 02:13 AM)
doh.gif  just made a simulation.....
if my % of ROI since invest were to increase by 10% pa from now till DEC 2019,
my IRR is just 6.33%

hmm.gif what are my chances of getting 10% pa percentage of ROI since invest continuously for the next 4 years?
my guess is, it will be VERY slim....so are my chances of having IRR > 6%  cry.gif
hmm.gif is my calculation wrong or my expectation of investment is wrong... rclxub.gif

any TAIKOR(s) can help comment?  notworthy.gif
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Build a properly diversified portfolio, and be patient. Don't go chasing returns.
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What is done is done, your IRR will bear the brunt of your screwed decisions forever. tongue.gif

Build a properly diversified portfolio, and be patient. Don't go chasing returns.
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hmm.gif was thinking of NOT building a diversified portfolio next year......(still thinking, still have abt a month before the usual annual what and where to invest promo starts)
thinking of reducing EQ and focus that value into KGF and EISC (just an example)
maybe more % on FI like 60%, 30% in EISC, 10% in KGF only (or maybe Ponzies)
have to try to see how will the results be expected...with various "projected" rate of returns of those funds.....

The chart/data provided me a glimpse of my "would be" performance of the next many years.....
have to do something to change that, it not happy with it? hmm.gif .....

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hi, is "RHB Asian Income Fund" a good buy since it declares distribution quarterly?
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"a good buy since it declares distribution quarterly"
why is that so?
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"a good buy since it declares distribution quarterly"
why is that so?
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ASK
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YES, sir....
have the intention to do that is after he/she replied.....
need to see how he/she response....
maybe he/she just wanted to get more units?
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YES, sir....
have the intention to do that is after he/she replied.....
need to see how he/she response....
maybe he/she just wanted to get more units?
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for value appreciation?
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Kenanga Growth is good buy for now?
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Kenanga Growth is good buy for now?
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how many funds do you already owned?
if this is the 1st want.... hmm.gif yes,...it is a good time tongue.gif
as usual....buyers beware.....don't blame me if it Kaboomed....
just keep for a longer duration of about 5yrs...can you keep that for 5 yrs?
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In center pocket, u breakeven
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America's first interest rate hike in nearly a decade is here.

The Federal Reserve raised its key interest rate on Wednesday from a range of 0% to 0.25% to a range of 0.25% to 0.5%.


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QUOTE(yklooi @ Dec 17 2015, 10:09 AM)
how many funds do you already owned?
if this is the 1st want.... hmm.gif yes,...it is a good time  tongue.gif
as usual....buyers beware.....don't blame me if it Kaboomed....
just keep for a longer duration of about 5yrs...can you keep that for 5 yrs?
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First time purchaser, inflation rate leading, FD rate cannot catch up..
Come to the point fund will be good buy, but target 1-3 years holding, maybe 4x of FD rate then sold..
But kaboom or financial storm could be happen, sound unsecured.. cry.gif
all fund buyers got any brilliant idea?
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First time purchaser, inflation rate leading, FD rate cannot catch up..
Come to the point fund will be good buy, but target 1-3 years holding, maybe 4x of FD rate then sold..
But kaboom or financial storm could be happen, sound unsecured..  cry.gif
all fund buyers got any brilliant idea?
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xuxen help?
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A "Safehouse" Fund During Periods Of Heightened Volatility December 14, 2015
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I am lost now.
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worried la bro. i have a business to run and a house and car to service (loan)
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QUOTE(Vanguard 2015 @ Jul 9 2015, 10:10 AM)
My personal experience in investing in unit trusts:-

1.  We invest in unit trusts using spare cash. We have back up emergency funds of at least 3-6 months. No bad debts e.g. credit card debts.

2.  Long term investment horizon of at least 2-3 years. This will even out the market fluctuation.

3.  We cannot time the market. Therefore we have to do DCA or VCA and do portfolio rebalancing from time to time.

If we cannot satisfy the above requirements, it is best to stay away from unit trust investments or any other investments for that matter. Unit trust investments is not a capital guaranteed get rich quick scheme. There are risks involved.
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There is a danger in blindly or even regularly averaging down. I've done back test before. In the case of black swan event like in 2008, if top-up monthly, I'll run out of cash way before it even reach the bottom in early 2009. There has to be a system to change asset allocation to minimize the drawdown. I think going with 50:50 as suggested by FSM recently is one way to do it.
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U forgot this:

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lol not even worried about my unit trusts la. just weather the storm. I just need someone to help me understand how the increase in fed hike will affect us so i can prepare/invest/hold down wisely
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lol not even worried about my unit trusts la. just weather the storm. I just need someone to help me understand how the increase in fed hike will affect us so i can prepare/invest/hold down wisely
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Hold steady. Any storm would just be temporary IMHO.
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It depends on what is your believe. If like pinky, he absolutely scorn it. If you believe price action is indicative of what the market think (including emotion, believe, news etc.) of the security regardless of fundamental analysis, then you can use tech analysis for UT but in limited fashion since you do not have OHLC.  In fact you can get DIY weekly OHLC data using daily NAV price  cool2.gif UT price action is the result of combination of price movement in underlying assets, dividend collected, investor deposit/withdrawal, fund manager's action, forex movement etc.
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hmm.gif was thinking of NOT building a diversified portfolio next year......(still thinking, still have abt a month before the usual annual what and where to invest promo starts)
thinking of reducing EQ and focus that value into KGF and EISC (just an example)
maybe more % on FI like 60%, 30% in EISC, 10% in KGF only (or maybe Ponzies)
have to try to see how will the results be expected...with various "projected" rate of returns of those funds.....

The chart/data provided me a glimpse of my "would be" performance of the next many years.....
have to do something to change that, it not happy with it? hmm.gif .....
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I feel you. I'm figuring out ways to get 10% ROI annually as well. If you can get that, IRR does not matter even if it is lower currently since you screwed up whistling.gif for last couple of years. Your IRR will slowly rise with your 10% annual ROI thumbup.gif. Let me know your method if you able to achieve it by end of next year. I'll let you know as well if I can achieve it by then rclxm9.gif sweat.gif sweat.gif
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I feel you. I'm figuring out ways to get 10% ROI annually as well. If you can get that, IRR does not matter even if it is lower currently since you screwed up  whistling.gif  for last couple of years. Your IRR will slowly rise with your 10% annual ROI  thumbup.gif. Let me know your method if you able to achieve it by end of next year. I'll let you know as well if I can achieve it by then  rclxm9.gif  sweat.gif  sweat.gif
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hmm.gif "Your IRR will slowly rise with your 10% annual ROI"
looking at my chart/data....it seems that the RATE of IRR movement from year to the next is getting less as the year goes by...even though the ROI rate is at 10% pa.....
have to think of a way to max the investment, at a risk reward pattern that i can take.
will be thinking of how....will post result here as usual...

YES...if you screwed up your youth...you will get harder at later stage of life......same philosophy as investment? ha-ha.....if your IRR are screwed up the first few years of your investment life.....your better investment IRR will be harder to achieves later in the investment life..

have to try to convince myself of your post about....
"if can get 10% pa annually, IRR does not matter"...
i know it is true...just that......... doh.gif

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First time purchaser, inflation rate leading, FD rate cannot catch up..
Come to the point fund will be good buy, but target 1-3 years holding, maybe 4x of FD rate then sold..
But kaboom or financial storm could be happen, sound unsecured..  cry.gif
all fund buyers got any brilliant idea?
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But kaboom or don't work out could happen, sound unsecured..: cry.gif
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lol not even worried about my unit trusts la. just weather the storm. I just need someone to help me understand how the increase in fed hike will affect us so i can prepare/invest/hold down wisely
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Fed rate up, US equity rally... Titan up, you win some

Fed rate not up, Emerging Mkt rally... Ponzi up, you win some.

Titan down, Ponzi down.... your CMF up.... you win also.

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Hold steady. Any storm would just be temporary IMHO.
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there may come a "storm" to wipe out the basic financial instruments as we know them
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when that happens, i think our stocks/mutual funds/cash will be the least of our worry laugh.gif
(think food, water, easily defend-able shelters, weapons)

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US-domiciled ETFs - 0.6%+/- brokerage fees. 30% withholding tax on dividend, 0% on capital gains on non-resident aliens, 0.5%pa mgt fees

assuming dividends contributes to the total returns averaging 44%-48%
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based on responses from FSM,
=i think i'll do ETFs only when there's extreme fear / blood.
The differences, give 100 years, 75 years and 30 years holding... less than 10% variance per year average on an assumed 8%pa returns for ETFs.

However, to me, specific US-domiciled stocks still looks good going directly.

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please do highlight if i've mis-assumed / miscalculated some stuff, impacting the bottom line greatly ya notworthy.gif

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Ngek! Not too right..
there may come a "storm" to wipe out the basic financial instruments as we know them
BUT...
when that happens, i think our stocks/mutual funds/cash will be the least of our worry  laugh.gif
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but wait ...

Delay in ValueCap’s RM6b injection?

KUALA LUMPUR: State-owned investment fund ValueCap Sdn Bhd, which was expected to start buying up underperforming stocks on the local bourse this month, may see a partial delay in its first tranche of funding of RM6 billion.

A source familiar with the matter told The Edge Financial Daily that there had been a delay in the funds coming into the market.

URL: http://www.theedgemarkets.com/my/article/d...medium=facebook
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QUOTE(kimyee73 @ Dec 17 2015, 11:51 AM)
It depends on what is your believe. If like pinky, he absolutely scorn it. If you believe price action is indicative of what the market think (including emotion, believe, news etc.) of the security regardless of fundamental analysis, then you can use tech analysis for UT but in limited fashion since you do not have OHLC.  In fact you can get DIY weekly OHLC data using daily NAV price  cool2.gif UT price action is the result of combination of price movement in underlying assets, dividend collected, investor deposit/withdrawal, fund manager's action, forex movement etc.
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I tried TA before, in stock investment.

But whether it's stock market or UT, trend, momentum and sentiment are all short term. Since I invest in UT for long term, I don't bother to do TA lah...

TA, if we get it right, we may save a few percent of capital. But I am eyeing 8% annual return laugh.gif

And, if we get it wrong, we may miss the boat...

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I thought we have ValueCap

but wait ...

Delay in ValueCap’s RM6b injection?

KUALA LUMPUR: State-owned investment fund ValueCap Sdn Bhd, which was expected to start buying up underperforming stocks on the local bourse this month, may see a partial delay in its first tranche of funding of RM6 billion.

A source familiar with the matter told The Edge Financial Daily that there had been a delay in the funds coming into the market.

URL: http://www.theedgemarkets.com/my/article/d...medium=facebook
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I wonder which party delay the funding? hmm.gif
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I tried TA before, in stock investment.

But whether it's stock market or UT, trend, momentum and sentiment are all short term. Since I invest in UT for long term, I don't bother to do TA lah...

TA, if we get it right, we may save a few percent of capital. But I am eyeing 8% annual return laugh.gif

And, if we get it wrong, we may miss the boat...
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Not all TA are short term. It depends on your time frame. If you trades on weekly or monthly chart, they are not short term. What happened if you don't use TA in 2000? US market was moving sideway for 12 years before breakout and in the bull for last 3-4 years. Imagine your money going nowhere for 12 long years.
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I thought we have ValueCap

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Delay in ValueCap’s RM6b injection?

KUALA LUMPUR: State-owned investment fund ValueCap Sdn Bhd, which was expected to start buying up underperforming stocks on the local bourse this month, may see a partial delay in its first tranche of funding of RM6 billion.

A source familiar with the matter told The Edge Financial Daily that there had been a delay in the funds coming into the market.

URL: http://www.theedgemarkets.com/my/article/d...medium=facebook
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I have been looking at the PRS funds mainly for the RM3k tax relief.

The only benefits are as listed in FSM website.


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No/Minimal sales charge – PRS funds have no/minimal sales charge to ensure that you enjoy the lowest investment costs on your retirement savings.
Low entry requirements – Minimum initial contribution is RM100 and minimum subsequent contribution is RM50 per fund.
Flexibility – contributors can choose funds that best suit their investment needs.
Convenience – automatic monthly contributions via Regular Savings Plan.
Transparency – contributors have timely access to fund performance and information.
Tax relief - up to RM 3,000 per tax payer per year of assessment (Y/A) from Y/A 2012 to 2021.
But I see the performance of the funds are so, so only. I think the best performing fund is Kenanga OnePRS Fund. Am I right? Apart from tax relief and zero sales fee, I can't think of any other reasons why someone would prefer PRS funds with their lock in period compared to the normal funds under FSM.

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I have been looking at the PRS funds  mainly for the RM3k tax relief.

The only benefits are as listed in FSM website.
But I see the performance of the funds are so, so only. I think the best performing fund is Kenanga OnePRS Fund. Am I right? Apart from tax relief and zero sales fee, I can't think of any other reasons why someone would prefer PRS funds with their lock in period compared to the normal funds under FSM.
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Kenanga OnePRS Growth Fund?

It is feeding into KGF.
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Kenanga OnePRS Growth Fund?

It is feeding into KGF.
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Yes, I know. About 70% KGF and 30% Kenanga Bond. But I think it is OK if I only put RM3k every year for the tax relief although I already have KGF in my portfolio.
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doh.gif  just made a simulation.....
if my % of ROI since invest were to increase by 10% pa from now till DEC 2019,
my IRR is just 6.33%

hmm.gif what are my chances of getting 10% pa percentage of ROI since invest continuously for the next 4 years?
my guess is, it will be VERY slim....so are my chances of having IRR > 6%  cry.gif
hmm.gif is my calculation wrong or my expectation of investment is wrong... rclxub.gif

any TAIKOR(s) can help comment?  notworthy.gif
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I'm no expert, just thinking out loud. With IRR below 4.5%, its much better off putting that money in your home loan account (I'm assuming you have one). It's capital guaranteed and ~4.5% savings/returns guaranteed.
Do you really need to be diversified globally and in return get a lower IRR? Each fund in itself is already somewhat diversified (of course there are those special focus funds) compared to single stocks etc. If you choose any of the good local fund and only wallop them, example only KGF or Eastspring small cap or RHB smart treasure and keep a 5-10 years horizon. Is the risk really that great in this case that die die must diversify?
BTW, I'm post 1997 era so maybe those who lived thru that era would feel differently?
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I'm no expert, just thinking out loud. With IRR below 4.5%, its much better off putting that money in your home loan account (I'm assuming you have one). It's capital guaranteed and ~4.5% savings/returns guaranteed.
Do you really need to be diversified globally and in return get a lower IRR? Each fund in itself is already somewhat diversified (of course there are those special focus funds) compared to single stocks etc. If you choose any of the good local fund and only wallop them, example only KGF or Eastspring small cap or RHB smart treasure and keep a 5-10 years horizon. Is the risk really that great in this case that die die must diversify?
BTW, I'm post 1997 era so maybe those who lived thru that era would feel differently?
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"IF" can know the outcome before hand,...then like you said,..putting it in home loan is much better.... tongue.gif
in investment, I could not foresee the outcome of my investment (unless I choose FI/mm funds).
but now with my simulated data....I "can see" the possible outcome of my IRR......
but as Kimyee said.....IRR does not matters if ROI can be kept high yearly...

Do you really need to be diversified globally and in return get a lower IRR?
depending on the situation,...just for example.....due to Ringgit depreciation....some Global funds performed much better. I think diversification is to reduce portfolio volatility risk, to have a more stable portfolio......
yes,..because of that, it "may" reduce ROI. (because if did not diversify,....fire power concentrated on the wrong area would not gives much returns too)

Is the risk really that great in this case that die die must diversify?
depending on what one seek......better sleep or better pocket money.

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yes, thanks for the suggestions....KGF or Eastspring small cap or RHB smart treasure
I had been planning on focusing on that too.....missed out on smart treasure thou...now will plan to add smart treasure on board.....
will not keep 5-10 yrs......Change, if they did not perform after 2~3 yrs.....(the more years that did not perform, they will drag down my IRR/ROI)

my preliminary new set up planning is 45% FI, 55% EQ, EQ focused on Asia pac, m'sia + 2% in global tech
like you said..."only wallop them" (the past high performers) sweat.gif

"I'm post 1997 era"...maybe a good thing too.....new ideas and inspiration too.... thumbup.gif

thumbup.gif thanks again

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I have been looking at the PRS funds  mainly for the RM3k tax relief.

The only benefits are as listed in FSM website.
But I see the performance of the funds are so, so only. I think the best performing fund is Kenanga OnePRS Fund. Am I right? Apart from tax relief and zero sales fee, I can't think of any other reasons why someone would prefer PRS funds with their lock in period compared to the normal funds under FSM.
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For individual contribution, yes, that's about the only benefit

That's why I always advocate for it for employer contribution. But not many employers are willing to do it. If you are self-employed under Sdn Bhd, you should consider that

One of the popular tax planning method is to shift remuneration into extra EPF contribution as it is tax deductible for the company up to 19% employer contribution. For the extra 7%, actually PRS can get tax deduction too. The biggest pro is, if you put in EPF, when you want to take out account 1 for unit trust investment, you need to pay sales charge; the funds must be approved by EPF which means only Malaysian equities and the amount you can take out will be less than the entire additional 7%

The con however is, most HR would not do extra work paying into different asset management companies and occasionally the employees would want to switch funds or fund house
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QUOTE(dasecret @ Dec 18 2015, 10:41 AM)
For individual contribution, yes, that's about the only benefit

That's why I always advocate for it for employer contribution. But not many employers are willing to do it. If you are self-employed under Sdn Bhd, you should consider that

One of the popular tax planning method is to shift remuneration into extra EPF contribution as it is tax deductible for the company up to 19% employer contribution. For the extra 7%, actually PRS can get tax deduction too. The biggest pro is, if you put in EPF, when you want to take out account 1 for unit trust investment, you need to pay sales charge; the funds must be approved by EPF which means only Malaysian equities and the amount you can take out will be less than the entire additional 7%

The con however is, most HR would not do extra work paying into different asset management companies and occasionally the employees would want to switch funds or fund house
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Thanks a lot for your info. I am an employer but not under sdn bhd. I am under partnership. Therefore I think I should do PRS to get the tax relief. I don't have EPF as well unless I do self contribution.

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Yes, I know. About 70% KGF and 30% Kenanga Bond. But I think it is OK if I only put RM3k every year for the tax relief although I already have KGF in my portfolio.
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Actually I wish they have pure equity funds like CIMB or Affin Hwang or Am for us to choose. Kenanga bond is really lousy and dragging down the growth fund performance... 1 year return of 2.3%, CMF is much better
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Thanks a lot for your info. I am an employer but not under sdn bhd. I am under partnership. Therefore I think I should do PRS to get the tax relief. I don't have EPF as well unless I do self contribution.
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You might want to consider setting up Sdn Bhd. SME enjoys much better tax perks compared to partnership... I don't know much about LLP though


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QUOTE(dasecret @ Dec 18 2015, 10:46 AM)
Actually I wish they have pure equity funds like CIMB or Affin Hwang or Am for us to choose. Kenanga bond is really lousy and dragging down the growth fund performance... 1 year return of 2.3%, CMF is much better
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Well I can't see any other good funds in PRS. There is another CIMB PRS fund which feeds into Ponzi 2. But since Ponzi 2 is not performing well currently, the CIMB PRS's performance is also affected.

Therefore Kenanga OnePRS Fund seems to be the way to go. Unless other forumers here have better options to offer? notworthy.gif

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You might want to consider setting up Sdn Bhd. SME enjoys much better tax perks compared to partnership... I don't know much about LLP though
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Well I can't see any other good funds in PRS. There is another CIMB PRS fund which feeds into Ponzi 2. But since Ponzi 2 is not performing well currently, the CIMB PRS's performance is also affected.

Therefore Kenanga OnePRS Fund seems to be the way to go. Unless other forumers here have better options to offer?  notworthy.gif
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Refer to morningstar on latest returns
http://gllt.morningstar.com/e6qvxuu98r/fun...B&tab=ShortTerm

But the truth is, it's cyclical. It depends on which market you believe in really. Every year when I use the YTD returns to decide to buy which fund, end up after that it doesn't do well doh.gif

KGF will be those more stable fund, but if Msia equities crash... then the Asia funds would do better
This year I bought CIMB islamic asia pac... but in the red at the moment

My employer contribution feeds into Kenanga growth PRS... phew
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QUOTE(dasecret @ Dec 18 2015, 10:55 AM)
Refer to morningstar on latest returns
http://gllt.morningstar.com/e6qvxuu98r/fun...B&tab=ShortTerm

But the truth is, it's cyclical. It depends on which market you believe in really. Every year when I use the YTD returns to decide to buy which fund, end up after that it doesn't do well  doh.gif

KGF will be those more stable fund, but if Msia equities crash... then the Asia funds would do better
This year I bought CIMB islamic asia pac... but in the red at the moment

My employer contribution feeds into Kenanga growth PRS... phew
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Hi thanks a lot for the link. If I want to be kiasu, maybe I will divide RM3K equally into Kenanga OnePRS, CIMB Islamic PRS Plus and AmPRS REITs. biggrin.gif

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Yes, there is also a new LLP Act which came up a few years ago. But I think it is not very popular at the moment.
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yes LLP has problem on opening accounts. Bank needs the legal partnership agreement before they allow you to open. Also now bank not granting any loan facilities to LLP.
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Another minus point if I am not mistaken is that the audited accounts for the LLP need to be lodged every year like a sdn bhd. So anyone can do a public search and get a copy of your audited account?

I don't think the partnership would like that at all. Most would prefer the revenue and expenses to be secret.
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Hi thanks a lot for the link. If I want to be kiasu, maybe I will divide RM3K equally into Kenanga OnePRS, CIMB Islamic PRS Plus and AmPRS REITs.  biggrin.gif
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Wah.. like thatr you will be charged RM24 a year for 3 PRS
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Wah.. like thatr you will be charged RM24 a year for 3 PRS
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Refer to morningstar on latest returns
http://gllt.morningstar.com/e6qvxuu98r/fun...B&tab=ShortTerm

But the truth is, it's cyclical. It depends on which market you believe in really. Every year when I use the YTD returns to decide to buy which fund, end up after that it doesn't do well  doh.gif

KGF will be those more stable fund, but if Msia equities crash... then the Asia funds would do better
This year I bought CIMB islamic asia pac... but in the red at the moment

My employer contribution feeds into Kenanga growth PRS... phew
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SAME SAME, SAMA SAMA problem too...

my new year 2016 portfolio plan....
Asia Quantum
Cimb Asia Pac
Kenanga Growth
EI Small Cap
RHB Smart treasure

TA Global Tech
Amb Income trust
Hw Select Income

selling China, india and Japan focused funds

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World Bank revises up Malaysia GDP growth for next year
http://www.thestar.com.my/business/busines...year/?style=biz
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QUOTE(yklooi @ Dec 18 2015, 04:30 PM)
SAME SAME, SAMA SAMA problem too...

my new year 2016 portfolio plan....
Asia Quantum
Cimb Asia Pac
Kenanga Growth
EI Small Cap
RHB Smart treasure

TA Global Tech
Amb Income trust
Hw Select Income

selling China, india and Japan focused funds
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Develop market?

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World Bank revises up Malaysia GDP growth for next year
http://www.thestar.com.my/business/busines...year/?style=biz
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good news tongue.gif
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World Bank revises up Malaysia GDP growth for next year
http://www.thestar.com.my/business/busines...year/?style=biz
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QUOTE(Kaka23 @ Dec 18 2015, 05:03 PM)
Develop market?
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I thought they said use additional 10% bangala can increase GDP 1.1% rclxms.gif
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Potong stim. Just when I thought that there could a mini rally for year end, all the markets closed RED today. doh.gif
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QUOTE(yklooi @ Dec 18 2015, 04:30 PM)
SAME SAME, SAMA SAMA problem too...

my new year 2016 portfolio plan....
Asia Quantum
Cimb Asia Pac
Kenanga Growth
EI Small Cap
RHB Smart treasure

TA Global Tech
Amb Income trust
Hw Select Income

selling China, india and Japan focused funds
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My existing portfolio which will carry forward to 2016 portfolio...

1. CIMB-Principal Asia Pacific Dynamic Income Fund
2. CIMB-Principal Global Titans Fund
3. Eastspring Investments Global Leaders MY Fund
4. TA European Equity Fund
5. CIMB-Principal Greater China Equity Fund
6. RHB China-India Dynamic Growth
7. Eastspring Investments Small-Cap
8. Kenanga Growth Fund
9. RHB Asian Total Return Fund


I hope it will work out.

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Potong stim. Just when I thought that there could a mini rally for year end, all the markets closed RED today.  doh.gif
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Give opportunity to buy in during fsm promo ma..
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Give opportunity to buy in during fsm promo ma..
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No more buy in please for me. My FSM portfolio is full already. Maybe I will use the 3% signal principle and do value averaging every 3 months to re-balance my portfolio only.

I have to move on to other baskets of investment already. Maybe self contribution for EPF, stock market, pre-payment for housing loan, etc.



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No more buy in please for me. My FSM portfolio is full already. Maybe I will use the 3% signal principle and do value averaging every 3 months to re-balance my portfolio only.

I have to move on to other baskets of investment already. Maybe self contribution for EPF, stock market, pre-payment for housing loan, etc.
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hmm.gif have to standby ammo.....usually FSM would have promo in Jan

What & Where to Invest in 2015
Promotion is valid from 20 January 2015 till 30 January 2015

What & Where to Invest in 2014
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What & Where to Invest Unit Trusts promotion
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hmm.gif have to standby ammo.....usually FSM would have promo in Jan

What & Where to Invest in 2015
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What & Where to Invest in 2014
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Hi thanks for the info bro.
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hmm.gif have to standby ammo.....usually FSM would have promo in Jan

What & Where to Invest in 2015
Promotion is valid from 20 January 2015 till 30 January 2015

What & Where to Invest in 2014
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Wow... you got the effort to search for the dates as well from 2013 till 2015! notworthy.gif
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Potong stim. Just when I thought that there could a mini rally for year end, all the markets closed RED today.  doh.gif
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Some already anticipated this due to FANG did not rally on Wednesday. Still too early to tell.
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I AM TOTALLY LOST. What the hell is wrong with Aberdeen Islamic World??? shakehead.gif

All my funds went up yesterday...

CIMB Global Titans
CIMB Ponzi 2.0
Affin Hwang Ponzi 1.0
RHB EM Bond
RHB Asian Total Return
even the lousy Affin Hwang Select Opportunity also went up!

But the stupid Aladdin went down doh.gif

Current IRR...4.03% doh.gif doh.gif doh.gif

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hmm.gif have to standby ammo.....usually FSM would have promo in Jan

What & Where to Invest in 2015
Promotion is valid from 20 January 2015 till 30 January 2015

What & Where to Invest in 2014
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wah january also have promo tongue.gif now missed, next month still can top up yawn.gif
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hmm.gif have to standby ammo.....usually FSM would have promo in Jan

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Tis year event was held at Mid Valley CC plus they gave a lot of freebies (incl power bank)
Looking forward to next year event
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SAME SAME, SAMA SAMA problem too...

my new year 2016 portfolio plan....
Asia Quantum
Cimb Asia Pac
Kenanga Growth
EI Small Cap
RHB Smart treasure

TA Global Tech
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Hw Select Income

selling China, india and Japan focused funds
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hmm.gif seems like you are heavier on Small caps and only 1 m'sia big cap rclxms.gif
2016 Malaysia Outlook: Challenging

Implication:

- While “undervalued” blue chips might find support with the additional liquidity from institutional players, there is not much upside potential within the big cap space. The KLCI Index, representing the large cap space in Malaysia, is currently trading at a slight premium level (16.4X) as compared to our fair estimate of 16.0X, signifying an annualised expected return of 14.2% based on end-2017 earnings.

- Investors might consider underweighting index-tracking passively managed funds as their performance tends to track closely the performance of large cap stocks, while opting for actively managed fund where fund managers will be able to generate alpha through their superior stock picking skills.

- Given the muted return expectations for the large cap space, investors can consider the small to medium cap spectrum as well. As of 17 December 2015, the FBM Small Cap Index traded at 12.5X, relatively lower as compared to the KLCI Index’s 16.4X. As small cap stocks are known to be more volatile than their large cap counterparts, investors should consider including small cap equity funds in their supplementary portfolios, confining their allocation in these funds to no more than 10% weightage of their entire portfolios.

http://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/resea...allenging--6639

doh.gif Maximum 10% of allocation..... doh.gif

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I AM TOTALLY LOST. What the hell is wrong with Aberdeen Islamic World??? shakehead.gif

All my funds went up yesterday...

But the stupid Aladdin went down doh.gif

Current IRR...4.03% doh.gif doh.gif doh.gif
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I thought you knew...Aberdeen for sale rumor since October 2015. A lot of news in the internet. Does this have any effect on Aberdeen Islamic World performance?

See for eg the link at http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/41fc1e60-7b0e-11...l#axzz3uga2psB2
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Tis year event was held at Mid Valley CC plus they gave a lot of freebies (incl power bank)
Looking forward to next year event
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Eh, I went to Mid-Valley for the exhibition but didn't any power bank. Siapa curi saya punya? I got a lot of other freebies though. rclxms.gif

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I thought you knew...Aberdeen for sale rumor since October 2015. A lot of news in the internet. Does this have any effect on Aberdeen Islamic World performance?

See for eg the link at http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/41fc1e60-7b0e-11...l#axzz3uga2psB2
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non-believer...have a look...
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Guys im new to FSM. I saw some trustee fees saying "0.08% of NAV, subject to a minimum of RM18,000 per annum." What does it mean?
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Eh strange. I am not a subscriber and I can access it. Just google "Aberdeen Fund for sale" and you will see all the different news.

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Eh strange. I am not a subscriber and I can access it. Just google "Aberdeen Fund for sale" and you will see all the different news.
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Got it.

And I read that it has been a good year for funds which track indices, and Aberdeen ain't one. And the results show.

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Guys im new to FSM. I saw some trustee fees saying "0.08% of NAV, subject to a minimum of RM18,000 per annum." What does it mean?
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Read Post #1. U need not be overly concerned about those fees.

It means that, the minimum trustee fee p.a. is RM18,000.

If the average fund size during the year was RM100m...
RM100m x 0.08% = RM80,000
The fund will pay RM80,000 to it's trustee

If the average fund size during the year was RM10m...
RM10m x 0.08% = RM8,000
So, the fund will pay RM18,000

That is why, bigger sized funds are usually more cost-efficient.

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hmm.gif see the benefits of Diversification.....
non-believer...have a look...
(a chart taken from this article)
http://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/resea...allenging--6639
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The KLCI Index recorded a negative return of -5.9% (as of 17 December 2015), relatively lesser compared to the hefty declines registered by some of the single countries (in local currency terms) under our coverage.

And that have yet to take into account the effect of Ringgit weakness brows.gif rolleyes.gif

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Guys im new to FSM. I saw some trustee fees saying "0.08% of NAV, subject to a minimum of RM18,000 per annum." What does it mean?
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it just means the fund will pay the trustee that amount in % or min RM18,000 pa
attached is an example of the calculation...

Do You Know That You Pay An Annual Trustee Fee?
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The sleigh bells ring, are you listening? If you haven't already realised, here's a public service announcement – Santa Claus is coming to town next week! While Christmas is the season of joy, of celebrations and of gift-giving, it also pays to keep an eye on our 'dollars and sense'. As we head into the joyous holiday season, we offer some investment ideas in this week's edition of Idea of The Week to spruce up your shopping list, as well as your investment portfolios.

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hmm.gif see the benefits of Diversification.....
non-believer...have a look...
(a chart taken from this article)
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DJIA tank 367 or 2.1% over night
Gud opportunity to top up next Mon
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DJIA tank 367 or 2.1% over night
Gud opportunity to top up next Mon
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Nampaknya.. Cannot rebalance yet this month.
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The Time for Reckoning...
Aberdeen 2016 Market Outlook roadshow which was held in Singapore on November 27.
https://secure.fundsupermart.com/main/artic...Reckoning-11117

Where are you positioned for next year?
....Malaysia, there’s been such a valuation adjustment that we’ve gone from an 11% underweight to the respective indices – in effect, having zero exposure earlier in the year – to about a 3% underweight today. We should be probably neutral by the end of this year. The market’s still cheap and if there are more Fed-induced wobbles we might even end up overweight.
What’s the case for Asian equities?
JT: Valuations always matter and the advantage of markets today is that, based on a forward price-to-earnings ratio, Asia is trading at a roughly 20% to 25% discount to global equities, that’s around 13 times earnings versus 17 times for the world index. On a trailing price-to-book basis, local markets are trading well below their 10-year average. So a compelling story in aggregate and the reason we’re quite excited. Obviously individual markets and sectors vary, some are more expensive than others, and it’s fair to say that India as a market is still a relatively expensive one, certainly in contrast to Singapore. The Philippines would be another. So you have to be selective, and that’s where our stockpicking approach comes in. We’ve been adding to stocks in China and Indonesia this year thanks to increased volatility.


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hmm.gif someone here had not been doing that frequently......stopped topping up when there is volatility... icon_rolleyes.gif
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Gud opportunity to top up next Mon
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Aberdeen 2016 Market Outlook roadshow which was held in Singapore on November 27.
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hmm.gif someone here had been doing that constantly......topping up more when there is volatility.
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Only 1 fund? Planning to build a portfolio or just concentrate on this fund so to make you IRR "higher"?
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Eh, I went to Mid-Valley for the exhibition but didn't any power bank. Siapa curi saya punya? I got a lot of other freebies though.  rclxms.gif
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got to be kiasu a bit to get the powerbank, i think only have about 100 pieces or less available last year and there's already a long queue before the exhibition hall start to open ie around 830am need to queue

but u're not missing much on the free powerbank, it's poor in quality and spoilt after using for few months.

dunno whether this is true or not, but usually after we gave names to funds like ponzi fund or ponzi 2.0, they'll perform well for a short period of time and then the performance is muted for the next few quarters, hehe

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got to be kiasu a bit to get the powerbank, i think only have about 100 pieces or less available last year and there's already a long queue before the exhibition hall start to open ie around 830am need to queue

but u're not missing much on the free powerbank, it's poor in quality and spoilt after using for few months.

dunno whether this is true or not, but usually after we gave names to funds like ponzi fund or ponzi 2.0, they'll perform well for a short period of time and then the performance is muted for the next few quarters, hehe
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Only 1 fund? Planning to build a portfolio or just concentrate on this fund so to  make you IRR "higher"?
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got to be kiasu a bit to get the powerbank, i think only have about 100 pieces or less available last year and there's already a long queue before the exhibition hall start to open ie around 830am need to queue

but u're not missing much on the free powerbank, it's poor in quality and spoilt after using for few months.
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well free stuff normally low quality & don't last long yawn.gif want powerbank, buy ownself & it's way better tongue.gif
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Waiting more bullet to purchase other fund. Mean while start with ponzi first.
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I am reversing my earlier decision to take profit from Titan. Instead now I am topping up on Titan to ride on the upward momentum of the Fed rate hike and MYR/USD forex.

On the local front, I am under-weighting local big cap / blue chip / index linked fund; neutral / hold on small-cap and going towards over-weighting on local corporate bond.

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The FORCE is strong in this thread!
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QUOTE(Kaka23 @ Dec 19 2015, 09:11 PM)
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I am reversing my earlier decision to take profit from Titan. Instead now I am topping up on Titan to ride on the upward momentum of the Fed rate hike and MYR/USD forex.

On the local front, I am under-weighting local big cap / blue chip / index linked fund; neutral / hold on small-cap and going towards over-weighting on local corporate bond.

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However, i'm in sync with his balls on MY stuff... personally still holding too much % tongue.gif

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Wanna ask...
RHB ATR portfolio allocation by country, as shown in the attached diagram...

Are the China's bonds denominated in CNY or USD?



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Wanna ask...
RHB ATR portfolio allocation by country, as shown in the attached diagram...

Are the China's bonds denominated in CNY or USD?
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Go FSM Singapore, go download United Asian Bond Fund annual/interim report, should have the info (not straightforward, but u can roughly work out. See the currency exposure section of the financial statements)
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Top up Ponzi 2.0 & Titan tongue.gif
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Top up Ponzi 1.0, 2.0, RHB small cap opportunity, RHB ATR & RHB EM Bond. Profit taking on KGF & KAF vision fund.
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Just started my journey of investing in UT with FSM after putting mainly in ASx FP.

Did RSP with KGF and bought Cimb Titan as a start.

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Top up Ponzi 1.0, 2.0, RHB small cap opportunity, RHB ATR & RHB EM Bond. Profit taking on KGF & KAF vision fund.
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Wow, really listen to Crystal Balls™ and FSM, run from large Bolehcaps blink.gif
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dry.gif your balls lose credibility liao
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But but but my earlier decision was pronounced before the Fed rate hike mah.... New material info come out, adjust accordingly lor. I am not privy to insider info mah... Janet Yellen turned down my FB befriend request wor cry.gif cry.gif cry.gif

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Top up Ponzi 1.0, 2.0, RHB small cap opportunity, RHB ATR & RHB EM Bond. Profit taking on KGF & KAF vision fund.
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KGF is not exactly large cap fund. Take a look at its stock holding and you will see what I mean.... In Lee Sook Yee wub.gif wub.gif wub.gif I trust.

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Wow, really listen to Crystal Balls™ and FSM, run from large Bolehcaps blink.gif
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Large Bolehcap™ no more Bolehness™ liao!

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i was just checking out GTF and TA Global Tech....
interesting correlation....with almost similar returns for the past 1,2 & 3 years...


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Looking at sector-/country-specific fund like the TA Tech to add to my current ratio of 60 Asia: 20 US-EUR-(Titan): 20 Malaysia. Is 5% too little or about right?
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Looking at sector-/country-specific fund like the TA Tech to add to my current ratio of 60 Asia: 20 US-EUR-(Titan): 20 Malaysia. Is 5% too little or about right?
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how much do you want your returns to be affected?
if 5% of portfolio value....means if the fund NAV is +10%....your portfolio ROI is only affected by +0.5%
do you feel it is enough?
at the same time...if the NAV is -10%....your portfolio ROI is only affected by -0.5% too.
do you feel it is enough too?
check the 3 yr Annualised Volatility(%) of that fund (obtainable from the "fund info tool") to see if the volatility is ok to you.....set more % if it is ok to you and reduce more % if that is not ok with you.
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Looking at sector-/country-specific fund like the TA Tech to add to my current ratio of 60 Asia: 20 US-EUR-(Titan): 20 Malaysia. Is 5% too little or about right?
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Tech sector is high risk. I would say 5% is about right.
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Tech sector is high risk. I would say 5% is about right.
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so hv u looked at audited account of uob asian bond fund?
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so hv u looked at audited account of uob asian bond fund?
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I read the semi annual report, but no mention of currencies.

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Unit Trusts Investment Fair: What and Where to Invest in 2016

http://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/resea...?articleNo=6645
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Anyone going?
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Free 2x break and 1 lunch...wor....
very long time wor 9am~ 4pm,
how much is the parking cost?
if did not go can get the 0.5%SC?
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From Aberdeen Malaysia website, I noticed that they have launched a new Asia ex Japan fund: Aberdeen Islamic Asia Pacific ex-Japan Equity Fund
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From Aberdeen Malaysia website, I noticed that they have launched a new Asia ex Japan fund: Aberdeen Islamic Asia Pacific ex-Japan Equity Fund
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Good info... now I can re balance already! Hopefully FSM will bring this fund in..
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Anyone going?
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Morning confirm cannot as got personal things to do.. Afternoon onward just free. But not sure I am going or not yet.. tongue.gif
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Morning confirm cannot as got personal things to do.. Afternoon onward just free. But not sure I am going or not yet..  tongue.gif
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i terbalik - early morning sure can be there but gotta run after 10am tongue.gif
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i terbalik - early morning sure can be there but gotta run after 10am tongue.gif
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haha.. I remembered you always can go in the morning and will cabut early!
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so hv u looked at audited account of uob asian bond fund?
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Update from post 217:

Among UOB Asian Bond Fund's top holdings, Wanda Properties, China Cinda and Yuexiu Property issue bonds denominated in USD, while China Construction Bank issues bond denominated in CNY. See links below...

http://cbonds.com/emissions/issue/65795
http://cbonds.com/emissions/issue/140673
http://cbonds.com/emissions/issue/34277
http://cbonds.com/emissions/issue/68561

So, the impact from CNY depreciation isn't so big icon_rolleyes.gif

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haha.. I remembered you always can go in the morning and will cabut early!
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massat opens at 1pm ma (early worm gets the bird.. or was it vice-versa tongue.gif )
& momma says one should eat at least 2 hours before excercise,
thus 11am must finish makan,
thus 10am must start looking for makan
- project management / gantt chart misused laugh.gif

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May the force be with me. Ngam ngam topped up Titanic and Ponzi 2.

@@.... Didn't do any profit taking or purposeful balancing.

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Anyone going?
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Just register no go entitle 0.5% SC ka?
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i terbalik - early morning sure can be there but gotta run after 10am tongue.gif
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oosh oosh shops open at 12pm brows.gif
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QUOTE(yklooi @ Dec 21 2015, 07:29 PM)
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Quite close to CNY. I will be busy looking for money to fill up ang-pow packets. brows.gif

I remember that almost every years without fail, FSM sent me ang-pow packet but with empty content. tongue.gif
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Quite close to CNY. I will be busy looking for money to fill up ang-pow packets.    brows.gif

I remember that almost every years without fail, FSM sent me ang-pow packet but with empty content.  tongue.gif
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hmm.gif by giving discounts on SC....FSM is indirectly "giving" money to be put into those ang pow packets that they had provided. rclxms.gif
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hmm.gif by giving discounts on SC....FSM is indirectly "giving" money to be put into those ang pow packets that they had provided. rclxms.gif
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Wah like that also can meh....
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Free 2x break and 1 lunch...wor....
very long time wor 9am~ 4pm,
how much is the parking cost?
if did not go can get the 0.5%SC?
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Sunway Pyramid, go there early can park outside near the shops.
Or maybe the organizer can get us flat parking rate.
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QUOTE(river.sand @ Dec 22 2015, 08:09 AM)
Sunway Pyramid, go there early can park outside near the shops.
Or maybe the organizer can get us flat parking rate.
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thks for the tips..
early birds gets the free Flash from FSM too.... rclxms.gif

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Sunway Pyramid, go there early can park outside near the shops.
Or maybe the organizer can get us flat parking rate.
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U shld park inside so that Sunreit can declare higher Dividend for me tongue.gif
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QUOTE(T231H @ Dec 21 2015, 07:50 PM)
Free 2x break and 1 lunch...wor....
very long time wor 9am~ 4pm,
how much is the parking cost?
if did not go can get the 0.5%SC?
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LOL... parking at sunway pyramid... maximum per day on weekend is RM12 if i'm not wrong?

btw, it's by session, some so so... some better...

also no free lunch... just breaks... sendiri cari makan at sunway... biggrin.gif
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So how does the 0.5% sales charge work? Means you go there have to buy their funds on the spot to be eligible for the discount?
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So how does the 0.5% sales charge work? Means you go there have to buy their funds on the spot to be eligible for the discount?
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Usually, on the day of the event, ANYONE who buy thru FSM website will get 0.5%. Shhhhhhhh...don't say I tell u ph34r.gif

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Usually, on the day of the event, ANYONE who buy thru FSM website will get 0.5%. Shhhhhhhh...don't say I tell u ph34r.gif
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lol, then no need go also can enjoy the discounted rate? tongue.gif
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Usually, on the day of the event, ANYONE who buy thru FSM website will get 0.5%. Shhhhhhhh...don't say I tell u ph34r.gif
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Anyone going?
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I think I wanna swtich from Affin Hwang Select Opportunity to Lee Sook Yee fund that day hmm.gif
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I think I wanna swtich from Affin Hwang Select Opportunity to Lee Sook Yee fund that day hmm.gif
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Pink Spider, what would be the difference between switching now and switching on that day? I thought we would just utilise the credit points?
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I just realised that I don't have a personal account. All this while I have been trading on FSM using the beneficiary account.

So now I have opened a personal account. Otherwise I cannot buy the Kenanga OnePRS fund. I just bought RM3K of the fund today for tax relief purpose. Tomorrow I have to buy another RM6K for SSPN. Anyone need a personal computer? Got another RM3K tax relief I think.

Now I am thinking whether I should use the personal account to start another portfolio. Sort of like a 2nd chance. But I still have a lot of unutilised credit points from my beneficiary account. Seems like a waste to start paying sales fee again.
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Pink Spider, what would be the difference between switching now and switching on that day? I thought we would just utilise the credit points?
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assuming others influences are not added in...will the credit point deduction be lesser when the SC is 0.5% vs 2.0%Sc now?
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cetttt 0.5% saja???! sweat.gif shocking.gif
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cetttt 0.5% saja???!  sweat.gif  shocking.gif
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isn't that is much better than the usual SC rate? tongue.gif
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cetttt 0.5% saja???!  sweat.gif  shocking.gif
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Pink Spider, what would be the difference between switching now and switching on that day? I thought we would just utilise the credit points?
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Affin Hwang and Kenanga are 2 different fund houses. Thus, the switching is called INTER-fund house switching, which basically entails selling off a fund and buying into another. 2% SC involved.

If do it during the event day...0.5% ph34r.gif

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I think I wanna swtich from Affin Hwang Select Opportunity to Lee Sook Yee fund that day hmm.gif
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Boss finally jumping ship? I too think SOF is pretty hopeless jor... was waiting for KLSE to go up a bit to switch my tiny bit in SOF to Ponzi 1.0.... my target was 1,700 points.... until now never hit yawn.gif
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Boss finally jumping ship? I too think SOF is pretty hopeless jor... was waiting for KLSE to go up a bit to switch my tiny bit in SOF to Ponzi 1.0.... my target was 1,700 points.... until now never hit yawn.gif
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Find that fund manyzer for SOF's approach to KLSE stocks inconsistent with mine

As at latest fact sheet, SOF is very heavy on financials
U see my siggy, I got zero local bank holding, ain't positive on banking sector at this juncture

Why u and I think alike? wub.gif

Aiyo, just switch when u see Singapore and HK index kaboom, cos Ponzi 1.0 heavy on those 2 markets. Wait for KLCI rally to 1,700? U slowly wait tongue.gif
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QUOTE(T231H @ Dec 22 2015, 12:47 PM)
assuming others influences are not added in...will the credit point deduction be lesser when the SC is 0.5% vs 2.0%Sc now?
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In my simple mind, credit point is free compared to SC of 0.5%. Unless we want to save the credit points for other switching in the future when there is no SC promotion of 0.5%.
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OT a bit

How many of u dah dapat annual bonus? Reduced from last years'? hmm.gif

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Hi, new to the thread !

I read back the last 5-10 pages and your guys postings are very interesting with all the special terminology.

I find it very interesting that you guys trade in and out of funds like people trade shares.

What are you guys strategies like ? Asset allocation ?
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Dec 22 2015, 01:16 PM)
Affin Hwang and Kenanga are 2 different fund houses. Thus, the switching is called INTER-fund house switching, which basically entails selling off a fund and buying into another. 2% SC involved.

If do it during the event day...0.5% ph34r.gif
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Ooo.......ask the master of credit points and you shall be given. Convert your INTER-fund switch into INTRA-fund switch.

Affin Hwang Equity Fund = Affin Hwang Bond Fund = Kenanga Bond = Kenanga Equity Fund.

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Ooo.......ask the master of credit points and you shall be given. Convert your INTER-fund switch into INTRA-fund switch.

Affin Hwang Equity Fund = Affin Hwang Bond Fund = Kenanga Bond = Kenanga Equity Fund.
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1. FSM MANA ADA CARRY Affin Hwang PUNYA BOND FUND???
2. FSM that stupid? blink.gif When u switch from A equity fund to A bond fund, yeah u earn credit points. But when u switch from A bond fund to B bond fund, yeah no SC, but credit u earn from A can be used for B meh? rclxub.gif
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QUOTE(Vanguard 2015 @ Dec 22 2015, 02:39 PM)
Ooo.......ask the master of credit points and you shall be given. Convert your INTER-fund switch into INTRA-fund switch.

Affin Hwang Equity Fund = Affin Hwang Bond Fund = Kenanga Bond = Kenanga Equity Fund.
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hmm.gif
Affin Hwang Equity Fund => Affin Hwang Bond Fund ...you get credit points

Affin Hwang Bond Fund => Kenanga Bond ....0% sc

Kenanga Bond => Kenanga Equity Fund...need to pay SC?

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Dec 22 2015, 02:42 PM)
1. FSM MANA ADA CARRY Affin Hwang PUNYA BOND FUND???
2. FSM that stupid? blink.gif When u switch from A equity fund to A bond fund, yeah u earn credit points. But when u switch from A bond fund to B bond fund, yeah no SC, but credit u earn from A can be used for B meh? rclxub.gif
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Bro, I have done this a few hundred times. I have now close to 200,000 unutilised credit points.

FSM has the Affin Hwang Bond Fund. doh.gif

Do not challenge the master of credit points. biggrin.gif


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Topped up ponzi 2.0 for 4 consecutive days. icon_idea.gif

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QUOTE(T231H @ Dec 22 2015, 02:43 PM)
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Affin Hwang Equity Fund => Affin Hwang Bond Fund ...you get credit points

Affin Hwang Bond Fund =>  Kenanga Bond ....0% sc

Kenanga Bond => Kenanga Equity Fund...need to pay SC?
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No need to pay SC. You are automatically using the credit points which you obtained in the first place when you switched from the Affin Hwang Equity Fund into the Affin Hwang Bond Fund.
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QUOTE(Vanguard 2015 @ Dec 22 2015, 02:48 PM)
Bro, I have done this a few hundred times. I have now close to 200,000 unutilised credit points.

FSM has the Affin Hwang Bond Fund.  doh.gif

Do not challenge the master of credit points.  biggrin.gif
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I find it hard to resist...

nia singh ah laugh.gif

Oh ya hor, Affin and Hwang dah merge, from former Hwang fund can switch to former Affin fund

I try hmm.gif
Kalau aku kena SC, aku slap engkau mad.gif

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QUOTE(lukenn @ Dec 22 2015, 02:37 PM)
Hi, new to the thread !

I read back the last 5-10 pages and your guys postings are very interesting with all the special terminology.

I find it very interesting that you guys trade in and out of funds like people trade shares.
There is no loyalty i guess...when the investment environment atmosphere changes,...it has to adapt.....

What are you guys strategies like ? Asset allocation ?
on the out side is asset allocation like...FI:EQ,
then region/country allocation
for asset allocation by sectors in the country/region...have to leave it to the FM

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may not be suitable or liked by others..
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Dec 22 2015, 02:50 PM)
I find it hard to resist...

nia singh ah laugh.gif

Oh ya hor, Affin and Hwang dah merge, from former Hwang fund can switch to former Affin fund
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You should just try it once...it is hard to resist...like vape? tongue.gif
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You should just try it once...it is hard to resist...like vape?  tongue.gif
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but hor

If I do that...my excel worksheet suddenly got 2 new funds (Affin Bond and Kenanga Bond) doh.gif doh.gif doh.gif
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Dec 22 2015, 02:50 PM)
I find it hard to resist...

Kalau aku kena SC, aku slap engkau mad.gif
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BEFORE you press the button for the final transaction, it will show whether you are charged SC or not. If the screen shows that you are being charged SC, then just ABANDON the transaction lor. biggrin.gif

But the whole INTER-SWITCH to INTRA FUND transaction using my method will take at least 10 days. Unless you are in rush. In this case, once you have performed the Affin Equity Fund to Affin Bond Fund switch, just use your CMF to buy the Kenanga Bond Fund for switching into Kenanga Equity Fund. Don't wait to switch the Affin Bond Fund into Kenanga Bond.

After that, in a few days time, just sell back your Affin Bond Fund into CMF.

P/S: If you are transacting RM10K and above, you can save at least a few hundred RM.


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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Dec 18 2015, 09:35 PM)
I AM TOTALLY LOST. What the hell is wrong with Aberdeen Islamic World??? shakehead.gif
I have a very simple theory, but I'm not sure if you'd agree.

The shariah compliance list is very short. The generally prohibited sectors include

1. Alcohol
2. Casinos
3. Restaurants
4. Broadcasting
5. Cable / Satellite
6. Entertainment
7. Tobacco
8. Conventional banking
9. Insurance
10. Real estate

So the only major areas left are O&G, plantations, pharma, FMCG. From the malaysian perspective, this is very apparent as 2014-2015 has turned out to be severely disappointing for all local shariah compliant funds.

Most of these funds are invested in the O&G and plantation/commodity sectors, which have tanked in value. In the preceding 3-4 years, it was magnificent as an over-weighted O&G sector was soaring.

On a grander scale, this is what we call concentration risk. If you're right, you're a star, if you're wrong you burn.

With that being said, its quite unfair to be expecting a single fund to be performing when all the others seem to be.
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Dec 22 2015, 02:54 PM)
but hor

If I do that...my excel worksheet suddenly got 2 new funds (Affin Bond and Kenanga Bond) doh.gif doh.gif doh.gif
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Apa excel sheet? No point talking to a layman like me about how your IRR or XIRR will be affected. biggrin.gif


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QUOTE(Vanguard 2015 @ Dec 22 2015, 02:58 PM)
BEFORE you press the button for the final transaction, it will show whether you are charged SC or not. If the screen shows that you are being charged SC, then just ABANDON the transaction lor.  biggrin.gif

But the whole INTER-SWITCH to INTRA FUND transaction using my method will take at least 10 days. Unless you are in rush. In this case, once you have performed the Affin Equity Fund to Affin Bond Fund switch, just use your CMF to buy the Kenanga Bond Fund for switching into Kenanga Equity Fund. Don't wait to switch the Affin Bond Fund into Kenanga Bond.

After that, in a few days time, just sell back your Affin Bond Fund into CMF.

P/S:  If you are transacting RM10K and above, you can save at least a few hundred RM.
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kau ni...

I think in real life u must be a real kedekut miser kiamsiap guy, kira sampai rumput pun mati laugh.gif
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Dec 22 2015, 02:24 PM)

Aiyo, just switch when u see Singapore and HK index kaboom, cos Ponzi 1.0 heavy on those 2 markets. Wait for KLCI rally to 1,700? U slowly wait tongue.gif
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Thanks for the tip.... you are right.... doesn't look like it's happening ler. Luckily KGF still going strong, else my employer PRS also kaboom liao
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QUOTE(lukenn @ Dec 22 2015, 02:58 PM)
I have a very simple theory, but I'm not sure if you'd agree.

The shariah compliance list is very short. The generally prohibited sectors include

........
So the only major areas left are O&G, plantations, pharma, FMCG. From the malaysian perspective, this is very apparent as 2014-2015 has turned out to be severely disappointing for all local shariah compliant funds.

Most of these funds are invested in the O&G and plantation/commodity sectors, which have tanked in value. In the preceding 3-4 years, it was magnificent as an over-weighted O&G sector was soaring.

On a grander scale, this is what we call concentration risk. If you're right, you're a star, if you're wrong you burn.

With that being said, its quite unfair to be expecting a single fund to be performing when all the others seem to be.
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hmm.gif good analysis and insights....but hor....there are some very impressive syariah funds too when compared with Aberdeen

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KGF is not exactly large cap fund. Take a look at its stock holding and you will see what I mean.... In Lee Sook Yee  wub.gif  wub.gif  wub.gif I trust.

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KGF mandate allows it to invest anywhere in the entire KLSE. They are bottom up stock pickers, running what they call a bar-bell strategy. 50% growth stocks 50% dividend yield stocks.

If you like Ms. Lee's style you should look into KAPTRF and the new KATRF.
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kau ni...

I think in real life u must be a real kedekut miser kiamsiap guy, kira sampai rumput pun mati laugh.gif
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Salah, salah, salah. In real life, I am one of the most generous person you will ever know. biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(lukenn @ Dec 22 2015, 03:10 PM)
KGF mandate allows it to invest anywhere in the entire KLSE. They are bottom up stock pickers, running what they call a bar-bell strategy. 50% growth stocks 50% dividend yield stocks.

If you like Ms. Lee's style you should look into KAPTRF and the new KATRF.
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why u talk like a veteran hmm.gif
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Dec 22 2015, 02:35 PM)
OT a bit

How many of u dah dapat annual bonus? Reduced from last years'? hmm.gif
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Yup, sudah dapat.... a bit less than last year. But grateful at least got bonus la.... Told myself to set aside at least 50% as savings la. Will be even tougher next year liao
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QUOTE(Vanguard 2015 @ Dec 22 2015, 02:50 PM)
No need to pay SC. You are automatically using the credit points which you obtained in the first place when you switched from the Affin Hwang Equity Fund into the Affin Hwang Bond Fund.
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just checked....
i had credit points earned...BUT not thru CIMB transactions....
i bought into Ponzi 2.0 last week using cash IBG...FSM charge me 1%sc.
i think credits points to be used must be earned from that FH to be eligible....
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hmm.gif good analysis and insights....but hor....there are some very impressive syariah funds too when compared with Aberdeen
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I do not have access to the FSM platform, as I am not a client . I am looking at the last fund, PMB Shariah Aggressive, and trying to read up on its FFS here.

The data seems ... different. Am I looking at the right thing there ? I'm trying to figure out how to post pictures here. Help ?

Full disclosure : I am an IC with a competing FI.
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why u talk like a veteran hmm.gif
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QUOTE(lukenn @ Dec 22 2015, 03:31 PM)
I do not have access to the FSM platform, as I am not a client . I am looking at the last fund, PMB Shariah Aggressive, and trying to read up on its FFS here.

The data seems ... different. Am I looking at the right thing there ? I'm trying to figure out how to post pictures here. Help ?

Full disclosure : I am an IC with a competing FI.
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welcome on board...
you can try use FSM tools for free on its website
on the FUNDS INFO tabs....got many tools there can try....

http://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/fundi...fundSelect.svdo

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QUOTE(lukenn @ Dec 22 2015, 03:33 PM)
LoL ... previous post I mentioned I'm an IC at a competitor.  sweat.gif  rclxms.gif  rclxms.gif
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QUOTE(yklooi @ Dec 22 2015, 03:28 PM)
just checked....
i had credit points earned...BUT not thru CIMB transactions....
i bought into Ponzi 2.0 last week using cash IBG...FSM charge me 1%sc.
i think credits points to be used must be earned from that FH to be eligible....
hmm.gif unless i am just kena conned another 1%  doh.gif
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I thought u kena click something to utilise the credit hmm.gif
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IC tu apa? Investment CON-sultan? tongue.gif
If can con sultan, I won't be here already thumbup.gif thumbup.gif
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I thought u kena click something to utilise the credit hmm.gif
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hmm.gif do i really need to click on something to trigger it?
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OT a bit

How many of u dah dapat annual bonus? Reduced from last years'? hmm.gif
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I find it hard to resist...

nia singh ah laugh.gif

Oh ya hor, Affin and Hwang dah merge, from former Hwang fund can switch to former Affin fund

I try hmm.gif
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Remember to tell us if this experiment is successful!
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Remember to tell us if this experiment is successful!
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Sure can wan. If not successful, I CUT.

Spider, remember to thank me instead of slapping me once your transaction goes through. wink.gif
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hmm.gif do i really need to click on something to trigger it?
not automated wan?
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It is an automatic process. Just remember to check your available credit points before doing the transaction.
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Sure can wan. If not successful, I CUT.

Spider, remember to thank me instead of slapping me once your transaction goes through. wink.gif
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shocking.gif CUT!!

Pink can always treat you beer with few viets at your side.. thumbup.gif
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Sure can wan. If not successful, I CUT.

Spider, remember to thank me instead of slapping me once your transaction goes through. wink.gif
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Usually, on the day of the event, ANYONE who buy thru FSM website will get 0.5%. Shhhhhhhh...don't say I tell u ph34r.gif
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I think I wanna swtich from Affin Hwang Select Opportunity to Lee Sook Yee fund that day hmm.gif
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Boss finally jumping ship? I too think SOF is pretty hopeless jor... was waiting for KLSE to go up a bit to switch my tiny bit in SOF to Ponzi 1.0.... my target was 1,700 points.... until now never hit yawn.gif
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No need to pay SC. You are automatically using the credit points which you obtained in the first place when you switched from the Affin Hwang Equity Fund into the Affin Hwang Bond Fund.
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Bro sure ka ?
I ever thought so but never tried, I refer FSM clienthelp before but according to her SC chargeable.

how is the credit point like can be seen like token? can't have a picture of it. Never tried but nice sharing my friend, mind to elaborate ?

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switch all to KGF ? why not to Ponzi 1.0?
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My Aladdin fund IRR dropped to 2.87% doh.gif

Affin Hwang Select Opportunity...2.61% doh.gif doh.gif doh.gif
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Still need a Bolehland equity fund to get some exposure to large caps
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then no need to wait the 0.5% can try out the inter-fund and intra-fund switching strategy let see if its workable
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My Aladdin fund IRR dropped to 2.87% doh.gif

Affin Hwang Select Opportunity...2.61% doh.gif doh.gif doh.gif
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My Aladdin IRR drop to -1.17%

Affin Hwang Select Opportunity at 5.07%
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hmm.gif do i really need to click on something to trigger it?
not automated wan?
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It is automatic but you need to intra-switch from fixed to equity and not purchase using CMF. The later will charge you SC.
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QUOTE(Vanguard 2015 @ Dec 22 2015, 02:58 PM)
BEFORE you press the button for the final transaction, it will show whether you are charged SC or not. If the screen shows that you are being charged SC, then just ABANDON the transaction lor.  biggrin.gif

But the whole INTER-SWITCH to INTRA FUND transaction using my method will take at least 10 days. Unless you are in rush. In this case, once you have performed the Affin Equity Fund to Affin Bond Fund switch, just use your CMF to buy the Kenanga Bond Fund for switching into Kenanga Equity Fund. Don't wait to switch the Affin Bond Fund into Kenanga Bond.

After that, in a few days time, just sell back your Affin Bond Fund into CMF.

P/S:  If you are transacting RM10K and above, you can save at least a few hundred RM.
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To make it faster, can buy Kenanga Bond Fund ahead of the Affin switch if know how much to invest in KGF since no SC. Once got credit from Affin equity to bond switch, immediately switch Kenanga bond to equity.
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Just looked at long-term chart of Ponzi 1.0 vs Lee Sook Yee fund...

Thought about xuzen's Crystal Balls™... ph34r.gif
And contemplated on FSM's analysis on Bolehstocks... hmm.gif

Decided to switch all my Affin Hwang SOF to Ponzi 1.0 bruce.gif

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- While “undervalued” blue chips might find support with the additional liquidity from institutional players, there is not much upside potential within the big cap space. The KLCI Index, representing the large cap space in Malaysia, is currently trading at a slight premium level (16.4X) as compared to our fair estimate of 16.0X, signifying an annualised expected return of 14.2% based on end-2017 earnings.

- Investors might consider underweighting index-tracking passively managed funds as their performance tends to track closely the performance of large cap stocks, while opting for actively managed fund where fund managers will be able to generate alpha through their superior stock picking skills.

- Given the muted return expectations for the large cap space, investors can consider the small to medium cap spectrum as well. As of 17 December 2015, the FBM Small Cap Index traded at 12.5X, relatively lower as compared to the KLCI Index’s 16.4X. As small cap stocks are known to be more volatile than their large cap counterparts, investors should consider including small cap equity funds in their supplementary portfolios, confining their allocation in these funds to no more than 10% weightage of their entire portfolios.

http://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/resea...allenging--6639

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The more i read this thread the more questions I have ...

1. Why Kenanga Bond Fund ? It's not a performer. Actually I think they're below benchmark.
2. What fund is Ponzi 1.0 ?
3. Which one of Ms. Lee's funds are you referring to ?

Please be patient with me.
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It is automatic but you need to intra-switch from fixed to equity and not purchase using CMF. The later will charge you SC.
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intra switch.....what about inter switch ( A switch from one fund manager to another) like what vanguard posted....
Convert your INTER-fund switch into INTRA-fund switch.
Affin Hwang Equity Fund = Affin Hwang Bond Fund = Kenanga Bond = Kenanga Equity Fund.


Affin Hwang Equity Fund => Affin Hwang Bond Fund ...you get credit points, then;

Affin Hwang Bond Fund => Kenanga Bond ....0% sc, then

Kenanga Bond => Kenanga Equity Fund...need to pay SC or FSM will just deduct from the credit points.

(if no need to pay sc and just deduct from credit point then, the whole cycle from Affin Hwang Eq to Kenanga Equity would be "FOC")

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QUOTE(lukenn @ Dec 22 2015, 10:17 PM)
The more i read this thread the more questions I have ...

1. Why Kenanga Bond Fund ? It's not a performer. Actually I think they're below benchmark.
2. What fund is Ponzi 1.0 ?
3. Which one of Ms. Lee's funds are you referring to ?

Please be patient with me.
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I think the
#1 oh...the Kenanga Bond fund we are currently discussing is just an example of the switching to save the SC
#2 is Affin Hwang Select Asia X japan Quantum Fund
#3 is Kenanga Growth Fund...Ms Lee sook yee is the designated Fund manager

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QUOTE(aoisky @ Dec 22 2015, 09:35 PM)
Bro sure ka ?
I ever thought so but never tried, I refer FSM clienthelp before but according to her SC chargeable.

how is the credit point like can be seen like token? can't have a picture of it. Never tried but nice sharing my friend, mind to elaborate ?
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Actually I shared this info a few times before. It's nothing new. biggrin.gif Maybe the TS can post the info on the first page. Otherwise I need to create a template. Yes, the credit points are like token. As long as you have enough points, you can inter switch between different fund houses for free.

QUOTE(kimyee73 @ Dec 22 2015, 10:00 PM)
To make it faster, can buy Kenanga Bond Fund ahead of the Affin switch if know how much to invest in KGF since no SC. Once got credit from Affin equity to bond switch, immediately switch Kenanga bond to equity.
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You are right in a way.

QUOTE(yklooi @ Dec 22 2015, 10:19 PM)
intra switch.....what about inter switch ( A switch from one fund manager to another) like what vanguard posted....
Convert your INTER-fund switch into INTRA-fund switch.
Affin Hwang Equity Fund = Affin Hwang Bond Fund = Kenanga Bond = Kenanga Equity Fund.
Affin Hwang Equity Fund => Affin Hwang Bond Fund ...you get credit points, then;

Affin Hwang Bond Fund => Kenanga Bond ....0% sc, then

Kenanga Bond => Kenanga Equity Fund...need to pay SC or FSM will just deduct from the credit points
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Please see my answer to Aoisky. For simplicity, just think of how many credit points you have. Recycle the points until eternity. Never redeem directly into CMF from equity funds. Always intra switch into a bond fund first. Then you will earn the credit points.

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For those with titanium balls, you can always short circuit the system and earn huge credit points during the next FSM fair.

Only for the fool hardy with loads of cash to spare. rclxms.gif
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QUOTE(Vanguard 2015 @ Dec 22 2015, 10:28 PM)
Actually I shared this info a few times before. It's nothing new.  biggrin.gif Maybe the TS can post the info on the first page. Otherwise I need to create a template. Yes, the credit points are like token. As long as you have enough points, you can inter switch between different fund houses for free.
You are right in a way.
Please see my answer to Aoisky. For simplicity, just think of how many credit points you have. Recycle the points until eternity. Never redeem directly into CMF from equity funds. Always intra switch into a bond fund first. Then you will earn the credit points.
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For those with titanium balls, you can always short circuit the system and earn huge credit points during the next FSM fair.

Only for the fool hardy with loads of cash to spare.  rclxms.gif
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Borrow Ah Long, pawn your home and car, max out your credit cards...

Dump all money into some equity funds...
Then switch to bond funds...
Finally, dump all the bond funds...

And u got loadful of credit points... drool.gif

Profit? tongue.gif laugh.gif

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.......For simplicity, just think of how many credit points you have. Recycle the points until eternity. Never redeem directly into CMF from equity funds. Always intra switch into a bond fund first. Then you will earn the credit points.
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will the credit stays once the money is out to CMF?
ex Hwang EQ to Hw Bond, then to Kenanga Bond, then to Kenanga EQ, then to CMF/cashout....
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I think the
#1 is Kenanga Growth Fund they are referring NOT Kenanga Bond Fund.
#2 is Affin Hwang Select Asia X japan Quantum Fund
#3 is Kenanga Growth Fund...Ms Lee sook yee is the designated Fund manager
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1. Actually the are talking about KBF, but more of an intermediary fund to reduce sales charge, I think.
2. SAQF is actually one of the best AP funds that Malaysians have direct access to.
3. Actually shes also the designated fund manager for KAPTRF and a whole bunch of other funds, but shes KIB's CIO.

So you guys are paying :
1. 2% sales charge, for all equity funds ? 1% on fixed income ?
2. 2% switching if you're moving to equity funds in different fund houses ?
3. 2% switching if moving from fixed income to equity funds ?

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U r expecting how many mths or how many % of your total gross income?
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So you guys are paying :
1. 2% sales charge, for all equity funds ? 1% on fixed income ?
2. 2% switching if you're moving to equity funds in different fund houses ?
3. 2% switching if moving from fixed income to equity funds ?
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Borrow Ah Long, pawn your home and car, max out your credit cards...

Dump all money into some equity funds...
Then switch to bond funds...
Finally, dump all the bond funds...

And u got loadful of credit points... drool.gif

Profit? tongue.gif  laugh.gif
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The key word....use spare cash. tongue.gif

Second key word....buy low risk balanced funds and not high risk equity funds. rclxms.gif
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will the credit stays once the money is out to CMF?
ex Hwang EQ to Hw Bond, then to Kenanga Bond, then to Kenanga EQ, then to CMF/cashout....
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Yes, the credit points will be there for eternity. If I could sell my spare credit points to the forumers here, I would. biggrin.gif

BTW, your eg above is missing one crucial step. It should be from Kenanga EQ to Kenanga Bond again and then only to CMF. Otherwise you don't earn credit points.
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The key word....use spare cash.  tongue.gif

Second key word....buy low risk balanced funds and not high risk equity funds.  rclxms.gif
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doh.gif  missed those credit point
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It's ok bro. You are not the first forumer who told me this. Still not too late to know the info for future selling.  wink.gif
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This...will mess up the worksheet

Not really mess up lar, it will give us many ins and outs from the bond funds. Kesian them, the unwanted ones laugh.gif
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I think of my Ninja method of recycling credit points as a poor man's version of a wrap account where you can do limitless switches between different fund houses for free. rclxms.gif

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Dump all money into some equity funds...
Then switch to bond funds...
Finally, dump all the bond funds...

And u got loadful of credit points... drool.gif

Profit? tongue.gif  laugh.gif
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Thanks. Just had a look at the pricing structure on FSM website.

So what you've described here, if I'm not mistaken

1. Buy equity funds => pay sales charge
2. Switch to fixed income => get credit points
3. Sell fixed income funds

Assuming you've bought and sold at exactly the same price, you've technically converted sales charges to credit points. How much are the credit points worth that you would deem it as a profit?

Does making massive switches of entire positions out perform a stable portfolio, with only minimal switching to rebalance? It sounds like the switching cost would be a massive drag on performance.

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It's ok bro. You are not the first forumer who told me this. Still not too late to know the info for future selling.  wink.gif
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U know what, I get consultation from clienthelp regarding this before, but she said get nothing no such a thing as token / credit point. just abit frustrated
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This...will mess up the worksheet

Not really mess up lar, it will give us many ins and outs from the bond funds. Kesian them, the unwanted ones laugh.gif
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A small price to pay. I have saved thousands of ringgit in sales fees using this method. I am sure you do know that I have a tendency to overtrade my unit trusts. tongue.gif
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QUOTE(aoisky @ Dec 22 2015, 11:00 PM)
U know what, I get consultation from clienthelp regarding this before, but she said get nothing no such a thing as token / credit point. just abit frustrated
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Sorry to hear about that.

Strange. I asked the CIS via email before about this and he confirmed via email that my method is correct.

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1. Actually the are talking about KBF, but more of an intermediary fund to reduce sales charge, I think.
(yes...see my amended post).

So you guys are paying :
1. 2% sales charge, for all equity funds ? 1% on fixed income ?
normal price is 2% for EQ fund purchase, but many are status holders where they get another 0.25~0.75% off the normal SC.
http://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/faq/1...-Programme-8873
FI fund normally is 0%SC, but has platform fees

http://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/faq/1...atform-Fee-8467

2. 2% switching if you're moving to equity funds in different fund houses ?
the sc depends of to EQ or FI
3. 2% switching if moving from fixed income to equity funds ?
Q:  Where can I see the charges applicable for Intra/Inter fund house switching?
A: To view the switching fees for Intra and Inter fund house switches, please look under FUNDS INFO-> FUNDS SALES CHARGES-> SWITCHING and select either INTRA FUND HOUSE or INTER FUND HOUSE.

http://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/faq/1...g-of-Funds-8922
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A small price to pay. I have saved thousands of ringgit in sales fees using this method. I am sure you do know that I have a tendency to overtrade my unit trusts.  tongue.gif
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Thanks. Just had a look at the pricing structure on FSM website.

So what you've described here, if I'm not mistaken

1. Buy equity funds => pay sales charge
2. Switch to fixed income => get  credit points
3. Sell fixed income funds

Assuming you've bought and sold at exactly the same price, you've technically converted sales charges to credit points. How much are the credit points worth that you would deem it as a profit?

Does making massive switches of entire positions out perform a stable portfolio, with only minimal switching to rebalance? It sounds like the switching cost would be a massive drag on performance.

My RM0.02  blink.gif
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Now u are starting to sound like a polite sceptic a.k.a. troll...

I'm giving u the benefit of doubt...

We are not trying to profit from making countless switches, we are trying to SAVE ON SALES CHARGES on future equity fund purchases.

E.g. I have ABC Equity Fund which I think sucks/did not fit into my portfolio anymore. Instead of selling outright, I switch to ABC Bond Fund, then sell the ABC Bond Fund. Such way, I get credit points. Then I found 003 Equity Fund which I think fits into my portfolio strategy, I buy this fund and use the previously earned credit points to offset from 003 Fund House's sales charge i.e. buy 003 Equity Fund at 0% sales charge.

QUOTE(Vanguard 2015 @ Dec 22 2015, 11:00 PM)
A small price to pay. I have saved thousands of ringgit in sales fees using this method. I am sure you do know that I have a tendency to overtrade my unit truststongue.gif
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Nah nah nah, ni nak minta rotan ni tongue.gif

But hor, did u ever find yourself where in retrospect, had u not switch so often, u would have made better returns? unsure.gif

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Yes, the credit points will be there for eternity. If I could sell my spare credit points to the forumers here, I would.  biggrin.gif

BTW, your eg above is missing one crucial step. It should be from Kenanga EQ to Kenanga Bond again and then only to CMF. Otherwise you don't earn credit points.
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But hor, did u ever find yourself where in retrospect, had u not switch so often, u would have made better returns? unsure.gif
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Of course. Without a doubt I think I would have earned more with less switching. Classic mistake of impatience and rear view mirror investing by looking at past performance.
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@Vanguard 2015

is there any way i could avoid paying sales charges for PMB fund house using credit points? (all available funds belongs to equity funds) category

wasted rm 40 in sales charges recently purchasing funds using CMF instead of buying into bond then equity to utilize my credit points.


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Of course. Without a doubt I think I would have earned more with less switching. Classic mistake of impatience and rear view mirror investing by looking at past performance.
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for those recently purchased some PRS funds, is there a method to pay for it using CMF? i was told there is by the helpful clienthelp but could not do so or rather didnt find the button or a way to do so
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Dec 22 2015, 11:06 PM)
Now u are starting to sound like a polite sceptic a.k.a. troll...

I'm giving u the benefit of doubt...

We are not trying to profit from making countless switches, we are trying to SAVE ON SALES CHARGES on future equity fund purchases.

E.g. I have ABC Equity Fund which I think sucks/did not fit into my portfolio anymore. Instead of selling outright, I switch to ABC Bond Fund, then sell the ABC Bond Fund. Such way, I get credit points. Then I found 003 Equity Fund which I think fits into my portfolio strategy, I buy this fund and use the previously earned credit points to offset from 003 Fund House's sales charge i.e. buy 003 Equity Fund at 0% sales charge.

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I don't mean to sound like a troll, but it was confusing.

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Anyway, what you're talking about is very common practice, where per unit, you'll never be charged more than max. equity charges. The guys at Public Mutual call it loaded/unloaded units. For that matter, FA firms can charge 0% for all inter/intra transactions if they wanted to, subjected to the 0.5% that 4-5 UTMCs impose as an absolute minimum.
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Dec 22 2015, 11:28 PM)
Rear mirror investing hmm.gif

Had u done the reverse, i.e. buy the "losers" hmm.gif

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I bought CIMB-Principal PRS Plus Asia Pacific Ex Japan Equity - Class C via FSM on 16 Dec before 3pm, but until now the status is still pending. Any idea?
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I bought CIMB-Principal PRS Plus Asia Pacific Ex Japan Equity - Class C via FSM on 16 Dec before 3pm, but until now the status is still pending. Any idea?
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Technical question. Ask FSM.

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I bought CIMB-Principal PRS Plus Asia Pacific Ex Japan Equity - Class C via FSM on 16 Dec before 3pm, but until now the status is still pending. Any idea?
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for CIMB PRS, to be transacted same day, it has to be before 11am... so yours would be transacted 17 Dec

as to why pending, can't help. lol

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Just looked at long-term chart of Ponzi 1.0 vs Lee Sook Yee fund...

Thought about xuzen's Crystal Balls™... ph34r.gif
And contemplated on FSM's analysis on Bolehstocks... hmm.gif

Decided to switch all my Affin Hwang SOF to Ponzi 1.0 bruce.gif
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QUOTE(dasecret @ Dec 23 2015, 09:56 AM)
For once my sifu is following my strategy....  wub.gif
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On a serious note... laugh.gif

Long term chart-wise, Ponzi 1.0 and Lee Sook Yee fund tracks each other quite closely. And according to that FSM competitor CON-sultan, KGF is not strictly a big cap fund, the fund manyzer has quite much flexibility to diversify into the small and mid cap space.

Since I'm already in Affin Hwang, might as well switch to Ponzi 1.0. Ponzi 1.0 has the advantage over KGF in that it is not EPF-approved fund, hence can go heavy on Asia ex Japan. Malaysian equities have been quite resilient vis-à-vis regional stocks, hence it also means - limited upside. And Ponzi 1.0 can have significant exposure to mid caps, hence it's not as volatile as your other small cap funds like RHB Emerging Opportunty and Eastspring Small Cap.

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My Aladdin fund IRR dropped to 2.87% doh.gif

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QUOTE(Vanguard 2015 @ Dec 22 2015, 10:28 PM)
Actually I shared this info a few times before. It's nothing new.  biggrin.gif Maybe the TS can post the info on the first page. Otherwise I need to create a template. Yes, the credit points are like token. As long as you have enough points, you can inter switch between different fund houses for free.
You are right in a way.
Please see my answer to Aoisky. For simplicity, just think of how many credit points you have. Recycle the points until eternity. Never redeem directly into CMF from equity funds. Always intra switch into a bond fund first. Then you will earn the credit points.
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Really superb ninja trick! rclxms.gif
Must start applying it... but okla, I've not sold many funds in the past... so limited 'losses' anyway

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Really superb ninja trick!  rclxms.gif
Must start applying it... but okla, I've not sold many funds in the past... so limited 'losses' anyway
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ngek! not too right.
Best promo (historically) = 0.5%, kambing soon Jan 16 heheh and Penang forgot what date (David!)
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For my mum's portfolio, I plan to rebalance and pay her the 'dividends'. So this trick comes in handy for me to cash out some of the equity funds and shift to the ponzi 2.0 which is not doing great at the moment
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ngek! not too right.
Best promo (historically) = 0.5%, kambing soon Jan 16 heheh and Penang forgot what date (David!)
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When the Padawan is right, comply will the Master wub.gif

On a serious note... laugh.gif

Long term chart-wise, Ponzi 1.0 and Lee Sook Yee fund tracks each other quite closely. And according to that FSM  competitor CON-sultan, KGF is not strictly a big cap fund, the fund manyzer has quite much flexibility to diversify into the small and mid cap space.

Since I'm already in Affin Hwang, might as well switch to Ponzi 1.0. Ponzi 1.0 has the advantage over KGF in that it is not EPF-approved fund, hence can go heavy on Asia ex Japan. Malaysian equities have been quite resilient vis-à-vis regional stocks, hence it also means - limited upside. And Ponzi 1.0 can have significant exposure to mid caps, hence it's not as volatile as your other small cap funds like RHB Emerging Opportunty and Eastspring Small Cap.
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I'm guessing you guys are quite heavily invested in KGF, SAQF, AIWE. Thought I'd share this with you guys.

For investors with a buy and hold strategy, I would suggest they have a look at RHB Growth & Income Focus Trust (GIFT). It's an allocator/swing fund which goes 30-70% small caps and 30-70% fixed income. They've got a proven track record even in bad times, and is generally quite stable.

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LOL i was going to say that.

but the performance of this fund is pretty good for the past 1 year... comparing the RHB fund with KGF... using the chart center thing in FSM

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not every FH participating ma...
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at least those FH who are speaking are participating, that alone is good enough. cover almost all my fund except cimb... which they were there last year, strongly promoting their ponzi 2.0 then...
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LOL i was going to say that.

but the performance of this fund is pretty good for the past 1 year... comparing the RHB fund with KGF... using the chart center thing in FSM
quite many of them.

at least those FH who are speaking are participating, that alone is good enough. cover almost all my fund except cimb... which they were there last year, strongly promoting their ponzi 2.0 then...
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Titan.. Gg... Ponzi 2
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ngek! not too right.
Best promo (historically) = 0.5%, kambing soon Jan 16 heheh and Penang forgot what date (David!)
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In b4 Pinky and wongseafood say it's better and cheaper to DIY balanced fund tongue.gif
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If compared to a traditional balanced fund, then that's absolutely correct.

RM100K invested
=> RM50K equities => RM1K fees
=> RM50K fixed income = > RM0 fees, RM25/quarter
=> rebalancing from fixed income to equities => xxx fees

RM100K invested into a balanced fund => RM2K fees

RM100K invested into an allocation funds also RM2K, but all rebalancing is done internally, so no fees.
(eg: Eastspring Dynamic, Eastspring Dana Dinamik, RHB GIFT, RHB Smart Balanced).

So if its worth it, you have to ask yourself :
1. how often do I switch ?
2. can my research outperform RHB-AM ?
3. can the cost savings cover the cost of my time ?

Seeing as most investors do not have enough fixed income in their portfolio, this would be one method of introducing more stability, without giving up too much growth.
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hi all sifus, newbie here seeking for advice

i plan to start with 3 funds
will buy kenanga growth and affin hwang ap divident fund on 9th jan in view of 0.5% sc
and today i wanna buy cimb (1% sc for new user) but undecided among these three:-

global titans
asia pacific dynamic
greater china equity

can anyone recommend which to buy for now? not too sure how to diversify it
ur input is greatly appreciated notworthy.gif notworthy.gif
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QUOTE(wing2010 @ Dec 23 2015, 01:22 PM)
hi all sifus, newbie here seeking for advice

i plan to start with 3 funds
will buy kenanga growth and affin hwang ap divident fund on 9th jan in view of 0.5% sc
and today i wanna buy cimb (1% sc for new user) but undecided among these three:-

global titans
asia pacific dynamic
greater china equity

can anyone recommend which to buy for now? not too sure how to diversify it
ur input is greatly appreciated  notworthy.gif  notworthy.gif
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Maximise Returns while Minimising Risk with a Core and Supplementary Portfolio
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Keep Your Risks In Check
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QUOTE(wing2010 @ Dec 23 2015, 01:22 PM)
hi all sifus, newbie here seeking for advice

i plan to start with 3 funds
will buy kenanga growth and affin hwang ap divident fund on 9th jan in view of 0.5% sc
and today i wanna buy cimb (1% sc for new user) but undecided among these three:-

global titans
asia pacific dynamic
greater china equity

can anyone recommend which to buy for now? not too sure how to diversify it
ur input is greatly appreciated  notworthy.gif  notworthy.gif
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Since both AHAP and Ponzi 2.0 target Asiapac, you may want to buy Tits now.


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QUOTE(river.sand @ Dec 23 2015, 02:04 PM)
My 2 sen...
Since both AHAP and Ponzi 2.0 target Asiapac, you may want to buy Tits now.
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I think "better" use EI over GIFT
my reason is....at 70%SC.....not much different for both.
but GIFT has a mandate of Max 70%SCap
if/when the valuation of M'sian Small caps if much below the fair value.....with EI we can shift the allocation to more SC vs FI ratio. else maintain at 50~70% at normal times
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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Dec 23 2015, 02:07 PM)
Those Tits have been very Firm performers
but as the Fed has started to stimulate interest rates,
them Tits' performance may sag with heavier cost of interests brows.gif
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doh.gif reading those words that are bolded looks,..... brows.gif
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QUOTE(river.sand @ Dec 23 2015, 02:04 PM)
My 2 sen...
Since both AHAP and Ponzi 2.0 target Asiapac, you may want to buy Tits now.
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yeap done!
there goes my virgin ut experience with hard-earned money
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thank you for ur input too notworthy.gif
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yeap done!
there goes my virgin ut experience with hard-earned money
very expensive tits  laugh.gif

thank you for ur input too  notworthy.gif
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but no promo for tits right? normal 2% sc
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Those Tits have been very Firm performers
but as the Fed has started to stimulate interest rates,
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Those Tits have been very Firm performers
but as the Fed has started to stimulate interest rates,
them Tits' performance may sag with heavier cost of interests brows.gif
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Oi old man... you nyanuk & confuse izzit?

Titties is a equity fund leh; not a bond fund. Equities usually "M0h-T1U" interest rate keh!

And even if it does, Fed only raise 0.25% nia!

Xuzen

p/s RM / MYR weakness..... I am gonna go short on RM / long USD. Hence will spend local; cuti-cuti local and watch Titties fund go up up up and away.... Infinity n beyond!

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QUOTE(Pewufod @ Dec 23 2015, 11:17 AM)
I just realised i have quite abit of funds from cimb
Titan.. Gg... Ponzi 2
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What is better than one awesome fund from CIMB?

How bout' two awesome funds? Titties + Ponzi 2.0 = awesomeness!

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This coming from  someone who went long on Alladdin fund... wa ke ke  thumbup.gif  doh.gif
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Thanks. Just had a look at the pricing structure on FSM website.

So what you've described here, if I'm not mistaken

1. Buy equity funds => pay sales charge
2. Switch to fixed income => get  credit points
3. Sell fixed income funds

Assuming you've bought and sold at exactly the same price, you've technically converted sales charges to credit points. How much are the credit points worth that you would deem it as a profit?

Does making massive switches of entire positions out perform a stable portfolio, with only minimal switching to rebalance? It sounds like the switching cost would be a massive drag on performance.

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Lai Lai kawan... let's go for some coffee and kuih-muih.

Use wrap account hor... no need to bother with all these credit point these and that wan... want to switch from KGF to Ponzi 1.0 then back to KGF, somemore go visit eastspring, then singah-singah kat RHB also no sales charge.

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Dec 23 2015, 03:49 PM)
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Old Unker WMK , Pengaja Van, j.pissing.by, and those FSM thread regulars (you know who you are) also too.

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QUOTE(xuzen @ Dec 23 2015, 03:27 PM)
Oi old man... you nyanuk & confuse izzit?

Titties is a equity fund leh; not a bond fund. Equities usually "M0h-T1U" interest rate keh!

And even if it does, Fed only raise 0.25% nia!

Xuzen

p/s RM / MYR weakness..... I am gonna go short on RM / long USD. Hence will spend local; cuti-cuti local and watch Titties fund go up up up and away.... Infinity n beyond!
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Uncle - Tits / equities can be affected by higher interest rates leh
due to borrowings

and i did write Fed starting to raise rates ma - gawd knows how much / by when next few rounds
i no crystal balls like yours leh laugh.gif

BTW: http://www.marketwatch.com/story/this-smar...ist=lbeforebell

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Uncle - Tits / equities can be affected by higher interest rates leh
due to borrowings

and i did write Fed starting to raise rates ma - gawd knows how much / by when next few rounds
i no crystal balls like yours leh  laugh.gif
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Read today StarBiz...

Fed planned four raises in 2016, 25 basis pts each round to a ceiling of 1%.

There, that is certainty for you to calm your soul.

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QUOTE(xuzen @ Dec 23 2015, 03:54 PM)
Merry X'mas, Seasons greetings and happy winter solstice to you too...

Old Unker WMK , Pengaja Van, j.pissing.by, and those FSM thread regulars (you know who you are) also too.

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QUOTE(xuzen @ Dec 23 2015, 03:27 PM)
Oi old man... you nyanuk & confuse izzit?

Titties is a equity fund leh; not a bond fund. Equities usually "M0h-T1U" interest rate keh!

And even if it does, Fed only raise 0.25% nia!

Xuzen

p/s RM / MYR weakness..... I am gonna go short on RM / long USD. Hence will spend local; cuti-cuti local and watch Titties fund go up up up and away.... Infinity n beyond!
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According to this articles, rate hike by Fed does have indirect effects on equities...
http://www.investopedia.com/articles/06/in...sp?header_alt=c
http://www.cnbc.com/2015/09/15/when-the-fe...at-happens.html

Since you love statistical analysis, you would be interested in this...
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When the Fed raises the federal funds rate, newly offered government securities, such Treasury bills and bonds, are often viewed as the safest investments and will usually experience a corresponding increase in interest rates. In other words, the "risk-free" rate of return goes up, making these investments more desirable. When people invest in stocks, they need to be compensated for taking on the additional risk involved in such an investment, or a premium above the risk-free rate. The desired return for investing in stocks is the sum of the risk-free rate and the risk premium.
Rate hike definitely have effects on REITs, though I guess Tits are not heavy in this sector.

That said, strengthening USD may be able to offset the loss of momentum in US market.
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need to ask about the excel IRR file, my IRR is now showing 97.09% in red..and everytime i update it keeps going down..i don't think that's normal..my ROI is showing correct figures so i think the thing is calculating correctly.. any ideas how to rectify or is that normal?
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Dec 23 2015, 10:09 AM)
Key word - itu penjaga van OVERTRADES his UTs whistling.gif
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QUOTE(xuzen @ Dec 23 2015, 03:54 PM)
Merry X'mas, Seasons greetings and happy winter solstice to you too...

Old Unker WMK , Pengaja Van, j.pissing.by, and those FSM thread regulars (you know who you are) also too.

Xuzen

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Everyone here seems to be buying Ponzi 1, which I believe is the Affin Hwang Quantum Fund.

Can this fund still perform ah? I see its recent 1 year performance so, so only. Should I follow the herd and jump in?

I have the Affin Hwang Select SGD Income Fund in my portfolio. I can intra switch for free. smile.gif
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need to ask about the excel IRR file, my IRR is now showing 97.09% in red..and everytime i update it keeps going down..i don't think that's normal..my ROI is showing correct figures so i think the thing is calculating correctly.. any ideas how to rectify or is that normal?
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Lai Lai kawan... let's go for some coffee and kuih-muih.

Use wrap account hor... no need to bother with all these credit point these and that wan... want to switch from KGF to Ponzi 1.0  then back to KGF, somemore go visit eastspring, then singah-singah kat RHB also no sales charge.

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Wah. Profit drop kaw kaw.
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Aiyo. Missed the SC promo period already.

Nevermind. Thinking to top up some HK region.
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Aiyo. Missed the SC promo period already.

Nevermind. Thinking to top up some HK region.
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QUOTE(river.sand @ Dec 23 2015, 04:08 PM)
According to this articles, rate hike by Fed does have indirect effects on equities...
http://www.investopedia.com/articles/06/in...sp?header_alt=c
http://www.cnbc.com/2015/09/15/when-the-fe...at-happens.html

Since you love statistical analysis, you would be interested in this...
Rate hike definitely have effects on REITs, though I guess Tits are not heavy in this sector.

That said, strengthening USD may be able to offset the loss of momentum in US market.
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All these are theories which you will learn in your CFA program. Good! However always take them with some perspective:

The expected return of say Titties fund is around 20%++. What is a little ant bite of 0.25% increase in risk free rate gonna do to it? Perhaps now its return becomes 19.75% ++? Will you be sad? Cannot eat; cannot sleep?

I reiterate: Equities fund are not bond funds... they are not so sensitive to interest rate change.

Xuzen

p/s My perspective: With interest rate increase, more cash will flow to the US and this makes USD more popular. In basic Economics 101 when supply increase, the supply gets more expensive. This means USD will become more expensive / go higher. The chances of USD gains against MYR is a bigger factor to consider than that 0.25% ant bite increase in risk free rate. And we all already know that historically Titties fund went up chiefly because of MYR weakness. This will continue with more future fed rate hike.

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Jingle bell; jingle bell; jingle all the way!

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QUOTE(xuzen @ Dec 24 2015, 10:26 AM)
Excuse me while I and pasir sungai engage in some CFA-buddy-talk:

All these are theories which you learn in your CFA class. Good! But take them with some perspective:

The expected return of say Titties fund is around 20%++. What is a little ant bite of 0.25% increase in risk free rate gonna do to it? Perhaps now its return becomes 19.75% ++? Will you be sad? Cannot eat; cannot sleep?

I reiterate: Equities fund are not bond funds... they are not so sensitive to interest rate change.

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Akauntan tanpa lesen disagrees...

Rate hike (and Fed already indicated that it is the beginning of a series of hikes) WILL:
- cause USD strengthening
- increase borrowing costs for corporations
- cap US consumers' appetite for spending
among others

And the implications?
- US-based corporations' exports will lose their pricing competitiveness vis-a-vis Europe
- when US-based corporations remit their earnings back, they will depreciate in value due to USD up, Europe and emerging currencies down
- savings rate up, Americans might be tempted to cash out from stocks and go back to savings

All these might harm earnings growth and/or rally in US stocks.

Unless u are PURELY betting on MYR/USD weakness...but then, why not just buy USD for keeps? tongue.gif

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Akauntan tanpa lesen disagrees...

Rate hike (and Fed already indicated that it is the beginning of a series of hikes) WILL:
- cause USD strengthening
- increase borrowing costs for corporations
- cap US consumers' appetite for spending
among others

And the implications?
- US-based corporations' exports will lose their pricing competitiveness vis-a-vis Europe
- when US-based corporations remit their earnings back, they will depreciate in value due to USD up, Europe and emerging currencies down
- savings rate up, Americans might be tempted to cash out from stocks and go back to savings

All these might harm earnings growth and/or rally in US stocks.
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What you say is probable and is something for an investor to consider if their local currency is not so volatile against USD. (SGD / BPS / Euro). Again you are stating theories without considering country specific circumstances.

But what I mention above is very localized and country specific to our Bolehland situation.

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QUOTE(xuzen @ Dec 24 2015, 10:38 AM)
What you say is probable and is something for an investor to consider if their local currency is not so volatile against USD. (SGD / BPS / Euro). Again you are stating theories without considering country specific circumstances.

But what I mention above is very localized and country specific to our Bolehland situation.

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Please read just-added last line of my previous post whistling.gif
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Equities are real businesses and real human activities.

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CFA - CPA - CA - CTA - CFP - CWA - CNN - LUCT - RMIT....

Isn't the idea behind UT is so that you don't have to worry about this ? You already pay 1.5%pa. management fees. Why second guess your managers choices?

eg : assuming fund X is a broad mandate fund which allows use of derivatives etc.

Seeing that high grade US fixed income securities will get crushed as interest rates rise, you cut your positions and move to money markets. The bond markets tank.

You saved yourself some massive pain. Brilliant.

You fund manager seeing the same situation, takes short positions instead, and makes a killing.

Just saying...

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CFA - CPA - CA -  CTA - CFP - CWA - CNN - LUCT - RMIT....

Isn't the idea behind UT is so that you don't have to worry about this ? You already pay 1.5%pa. management fees. Why second guess your managers choices?

eg : assuming fund X is a broad mandate fund which allows use of derivatives etc.

Seeing that high grade US fixed income securities will get crushed as interest rates rise, you your positions and move to money markets. The bond markets tank.

You saved yourself some massive pain. Brilliant.

You fund manager seeing the same situation, takes short positions instead, and makes a killing.

Just saying...
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USD alone is just plain paper; it does not generate income.

Equities are real businesses and real human activities

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Dunno why I feel naughty when I read that ph34r.gif brows.gif

OT! Festive and holiday mood tongue.gif
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Sorry ar kawan... boleh cakap dalam Bahasa Inggeris yang betul-betul (lay-man talk)? I no understand you what toking wor?

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lol sorry... I thought all the CFA here would understand. What I meant was...

we is oredi paying the fund manager many many money every year. Let the feller do his job lor. Nonit for we do the flers job for him/her mah, gaji already very tinggi.
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QUOTE(xuzen @ Dec 24 2015, 10:26 AM)
Excuse me while  pasir sungai and I engage in some CFA-buddy tete-a-tete  cool2.gif

All these are theories which you will learn in your CFA program. Good! However always take them with some perspective:

The expected return of say Titties fund is around 20%++. What is a little ant bite of 0.25% increase in risk free rate gonna do to it? Perhaps now its return becomes 19.75% ++? Will you be sad? Cannot eat; cannot sleep?

I reiterate: Equities fund are not bond funds... they are not so sensitive to interest rate change.

Xuzen

p/s My perspective: With interest rate increase, more cash will flow to the US and this makes USD more popular. In basic Economics 101 when supply increase, the supply gets more expensive. This means USD will become more expensive / go higher. The chances of USD gains against MYR is a bigger factor to consider than that 0.25% ant bite increase in risk free rate. And we all already know that historically Titties fund went up chiefly because of MYR weakness. This will continue with more future fed rate hike.
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I remember, in replying to your past post, I mentioned that I did not trust the theories in CFA curriculum. I have been investing since 2008, but only started to read CFA books last August.

OTOH, you're the one who keeps talking about std dev, correlation coefficient tongue.gif

In any case, I am keeping my Tits wub.gif , and Pinky just topped up recently. We remain confident with developed markets wink.gif

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QUOTE(lukenn @ Dec 24 2015, 11:00 AM)
lol sorry... I thought all the CFA here would understand. What I meant was...

we is oredi paying the fund manager many many money every year. Let the feller do his job lor. Nonit for we do the flers job for him/her mah, gaji already very tinggi.
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Agree.
Even in bear markets, there are still some stocks which do well. It's up to the FM to pick the right stocks.
What we should do is, as stressed by TS, build a portfolio.
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What we should do is, as stressed by TS, build a portfolio.
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Agreed !

So what kinda portfolios are you guys running ?
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Agreed !

So what kinda portfolios are you guys running ?
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RHB Asian Total Return
RHB Emerging Markets Bond

Aberdeen Islamic World Equity a.k.a. Aladdin
CIMB Principal Global Titans a.k.a. Tits

CIMB Principal Asia Pacific Dynamic Income a.k.a. Ponzi 2.0
Affin Hwang Select Asia (ex Japan) Quantum a.k.a. Ponzi 1.0

Eastspring Investments Global Emerging Markets

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QUOTE(lukenn @ Dec 24 2015, 11:00 AM)
lol sorry... I thought all the CFA here would understand. What I meant was...

we is oredi paying the fund manager many many money every year. Let the feller do his job lor. Nonit for we do the flers job for him/her mah, gaji already very tinggi.
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majority of mind still support this...with all their acronyms.....to say not support would be unfair and unwise to those that had studied and make a good living out of it.
hmm.gif but , I think not all FMs/FHs are of the same caliber and quality, even though they had many of those well educated in there holdings.

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RHB Asian Total Return
RHB Emerging Markets Bond

Aberdeen Islamic World Equity a.k.a. Aladdin
CIMB Principal Global Titans a.k.a. Tits

CIMB Principal Asia Pacific Dynamic Income a.k.a. Ponzi 2.0
Affin Hwang Select Asia (ex Japan) Quantum a.k.a. Ponzi 1.0

Eastspring Investments Global Emerging Markets
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Power la bro ! I'm just equal weighting it... Strangely balanced, but effective.

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Power la bro ! I'm just equal weighting it...  Strangely balanced, but effective.

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If u wanna be more anal...
75% equity funds
25% bond funds

Within the 75%...
Eastspring 24%
Affin Hwang Quantum 22%
CIMB Asia Pac 16%
Aberdeen 15%
CIMB Titans 23%

Bond funds pulak...
1/3 Asian Total
2/3 EM

Try again? tongue.gif
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Power la bro ! I'm just equal weighting it...  Strangely balanced, but effective.

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rclxms.gif wow,...good info. thumbup.gif

btw, polarzbearz, wanna add this to the excel file?
maybe as 2016 new year assignment? notworthy.gif
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Dec 24 2015, 12:49 PM)
If u wanna be more anal...
75% equity funds
25% bond funds

Within the 75%...
Eastspring 24%
Affin Hwang Quantum 22%
CIMB Asia Pac 16%
Aberdeen 15%
CIMB Titans 23%

Bond funds pulak...
1/3 Asian Total
2/3 EM

Try again? tongue.gif
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Slightly less effective, but still good.
High return, low vol.

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Slightly less effective, but still good.
High return, low vol.

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wow,..strong opposite movement of the trends....
hmm.gif does it coincide or affected by a large degree with the MYR to USD movement?
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Slightly less effective, but still good.
High return, low vol.

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Your initial charts based on equal weighting throughout... hmm.gif

must be my overweight on Eastspring GEM and underweight on bond funds dragged returns. RHB Asian Total Return has been wonderful in recent 2 years
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wow,..strong opposite movement of the trends....
hmm.gif does it coincide or affected by a large degree with the MYR to USD movement?
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I believe the portfolio performance is due to the owner's high level kung fu... better to get his feedback on the actual performance attribution.

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Your initial charts based on equal weighting throughout... hmm.gif
More or less... the system cant do nominal or fractions. ZZzzz
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I believe the portfolio performance is due to the owner's high level kung fu... better to get his feedback on the actual performance attribution.
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Ok....
Pink, what is your take on that?
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I believe the portfolio performance is due to the owner's high level kung fu... better to get his feedback on the actual performance attribution.
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Mind telling us what is the blue and green lines on the chart? And the 5.46 and 1.04

Quite close to my actual returns.

My actual rolling 12-months return currently stands at 11.8%

Historical rolling 12-months returns:
Highest: 17.86% for Oct-14 to Oct-15
Lowest: 2.81% for Sep-13 to Sep-14
Average: 8% (started computing rolling 12-months return since Feb-14)

I'd say yes, MYR/USD action plays a large part in my portfolio returns spike in recent times.

And also thanks to Jibby and his 1MDB saga's effects on KLCI.

QUOTE(T231H @ Dec 24 2015, 01:45 PM)
Ok....
Pink, what is your take on that?
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What take u want me to take? blink.gif

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2016 ── A Year of Opportunities or Challenges? .....December 24, 2015
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......What take u want me to take? blink.gif
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rclxms.gif the take had been taken on your post above. wink.gif
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Mind telling us what is the blue and green lines on the chart? And the 5.46 and 1.04

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Blue = portfolio returns
Green = KLCI

Ignore the 5.46 and 1.04... that was the performance of the date under my mouse pointer when I screen captured it.
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lol sorry... I thought all the CFA here would understand. What I meant was...

we is oredi paying the fund manager many many money every year. Let the feller do his job lor. Nonit for we do the flers job for him/her mah, gaji already very tinggi.
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Friend, if like dis ar.... this FSM thread will never reach ver 12 lah!

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QUOTE(lukenn @ Dec 24 2015, 01:00 PM)
Slightly less effective, but still good.
High return, low vol.

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Mine consist of three equity fund (Titties + Ponzi 2.0 + Small-cap) + Money-Mkt
Mine is 12.5% rtn with vol of 4%. cool2.gif cool2.gif cool2.gif

Back testing: worse it ever went south was -3% (during the Q2-2015 China equity fiasco)

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Just viewed Ponzi 2.0's November fact sheet. Still ZERO exposure to Bolehland. Shows how negative regional fund managers are on Bolehstocks doh.gif

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Why Christmas Eva also so active here... no life meh! Go celebrate/enjoy with family la...
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rclxms.gif wow,...good info.  thumbup.gif

btw, polarzbearz, wanna add this to the excel file?
maybe as 2016 new year assignment?  notworthy.gif
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Too canggih for me already tongue.gif

My source code for the file is open, maybe some sifu can add it to my latest version or release the codes then I'll just merge to the file & share laugh.gif laugh.gif
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Mine consist of three equity fund (Titties + Ponzi 2.0 + Small-cap) + Money-Mkt
Mine is 12.5% rtn with vol of 4%.  cool2.gif  cool2.gif  cool2.gif

Back testing: worse it ever went south was -3% (during the Q2-2015 China equity fiasco)

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Sudah habis makan hari natal boleh berborak pelaburan lagi ...

Those are actually very good numbers. If you don't mind sharing, what is the underlying strategy?

P/s: in still waiting for you to belanja festive fruit cake.
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Too canggih for me already tongue.gif

My source code for the file is open, maybe some sifu can add it to my latest version or release the codes then I'll just merge to the file & share laugh.gif laugh.gif
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Actually equal weighting is the simplest to calculate and implement.

Position size = Total value/number of funds

But it only works well when the components are lowly correlated and the portfolio well balanced.

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Just viewed Ponzi 2.0's November fact sheet. Still ZERO exposure to Bolehland. Shows how negative regional fund managers are on Bolehstocks doh.gif
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Actually fact sheets only shows top 5-10 positions. There may be some small positions. But yeah, I think their view is that locals won't do well for the next few quarters. New investments will probably end up held in cash till MYR stabilises.

Anyway, since got a lot of Ms. Lee fans here, can consider the new Kenanga ASEAN fund. She spoke to us during IOP, and she's confident on performing within a 3yr timeframe.
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Actually fact sheets only shows top 5-10 positions. There may be some small positions. But yeah, I think their view is that locals won't do well for the next few quarters. New investments will probably end up held in cash till MYR stabilises.

Anyway, since got a lot of Ms. Lee fans here, can consider the new Kenanga ASEAN fund. She spoke to us during IOP, and she's confident on performing within a 3yr timeframe.
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Oi are u really a UT CON-sultan ke shakehead.gif

Top 5 or 10 positions are NAMED, but country exposure are disclosed up to the smallest 1% usually.
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Oi are u really a UT CON-sultan ke shakehead.gif

Top 5 or 10 positions are NAMED, but country exposure are disclosed up to the smallest 1% usually.
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Bro don't kantoi me like that la... UT is only part of the business la. But thats probably why I haven't con any sultan yet.

Anyway, not every FFS will show country and sector breakdown la.


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QUOTE(lukenn @ Dec 24 2015, 08:18 PM)
Actually equal weighting is the simplest to calculate and implement.

Position size = Total value/number of funds

But it only works well when the components are lowly correlated and the portfolio well balanced.
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reference to your post# 416, is the chart made from Excel file?
if yes,...can you post it up in ZIP file??
polarzbears would like to merge to the existing canggih excel file in post#1 and share....

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Sudah habis makan hari natal boleh berborak pelaburan lagi ...

Those are actually very good numbers. If you don't mind sharing, what is the underlying strategy?

P/s: in still waiting for you to belanja festive fruit cake.
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Underlying strategy = I have very good teachers / mentors.

They are Prof Eugene Fama, Prof Kenneth French and Prof Harry Markowitch. (Shameless names dropping)

By now you should be able to guess my underlying strategy liao....

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Some key words: Efficient frontier & Minimal Variance Position

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reference to your post# 416, is the chart made from Excel file?
if yes,...can you post it up in ZIP file??
polarzbears would like to merge to the existing canggih excel file in post#1 and share....
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unfortunately not. to do that you'll need a data stream, or at the very least a lot of historical data. should be quite possible with a Morningstar account.

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unfortunately not. to do that you'll need a data stream, or at the very least a lot of historical data. should be quite possible with a Morningstar account.
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Actually fact sheets only shows top 5-10 positions. There may be some small positions. But yeah, I think their view is that locals won't do well for the next few quarters. New investments will probably end up held in cash till MYR stabilises.

Anyway, since got a lot of Ms. Lee fans here, can consider the new Kenanga ASEAN fund. She spoke to us during IOP, and she's confident on performing within a 3yr timeframe.
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U mean asean tactical return fund ? Any promotion for this fund
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Lets start to update our portfolio for end year... see how are we doing in 2015. Hope 2016 will be a GREAT year in investing!
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2016 is going to end like 2015 did.

Wiping out profits. Oh well. Again not a good way to end the year.
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Hope the Year of Monkey can lift my IRR to 10% from 9% presently
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QUOTE(TakoC @ Dec 26 2015, 09:11 AM)
2016 is going to end like 2015 did.

Wiping out profits. Oh well. Again not a good way to end the year.
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Yeah, 2016 probably gonna be another muted year.

Play safe, top up minimally to keep your portfolio balanced or just park in CMF.
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Yeah, 2016 probably gonna be another muted year.

Play safe, top up minimally to keep your portfolio balanced or just park in CMF.
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Hope the Year of Monkey can lift my IRR to 10% from 9% presently
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Why say so
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Read recent FSM analyses.

IMHO we still can invest, but just don't get too gung-ho and show hand or top up heavily.

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U mean asean tactical return fund ? Any promotion for this fund
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Got promotion onot, you have to ask the almighty FSM.

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QUOTE(lukenn @ Dec 26 2015, 10:14 AM)
Yeah, Kenanga ASEAN Tactical Total Return Fund. Might be good for regional exposure, without direct to Greater China and India.

Got promotion onot, you have to ask the almighty FSM.
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Got any wise words for us on how to start the new year? Investments-wise I mean tongue.gif


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Dear FSM competitor CON-sultan,

Got any wise words for us on how to start the new year? Investments-wise I mean tongue.gif
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Hold more cash! lol

Does the FSM platform allow you to build theoretical portfolios? And track past and live returns?
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Hold more cash! lol

Does the FSM platform allow you to build theoretical portfolios? And track past and live returns?
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Tak boleh, only got very basic charting tool to let u see past returns of funds vs funds.
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Tak boleh, only got very basic charting tool to let u see past returns of funds vs funds.
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Hold more cash! lol

Does the FSM platform allow you to build theoretical portfolios? And track past and live returns?
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Can hold bonds? As switch from Equities ma...
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well for next year. I gonna keep cash 1st, waiting for "right" moment to enter (if any blush.gif )
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You can hold anything u wan bro .... I'm just thinking holding some cash positions, or in you guys case, money market funds. Bonds, especially EM bonds, will probably be a bit rocky for the 1st quarter until the March FOMC, when there is a clearer picture on rates.

MYR0.02 ~ USD0.0045
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well for next year. I gonna keep cash 1st,
waiting for "right" moment to enter (if any  blush.gif )
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How cheap does it get during promotion ?
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That's actually quite cheap, but that 1.5% savings isn't going to save you, if you're buying at a bad tine.

Maybe can do the kiasu pinky method. On the promo day, buy 100% equities, as soon as transaction goes through, switch all into MMF, and collect points/credits/life/mana/health and hope it doesn't dip below the 1.5% during the transaction period. Also hope FSM doesn't discount the points/credits/life/mana/health that they give for switching out.

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That's actually quite cheap, but that 1.5% savings isn't going to save you, if you're buying at a bad tine.

Maybe can do the kiasu pinky method. On the promo day, buy 100% equities, as soon as transaction goes through, switch all into MMF, and collect points/credits/life/mana/health and hope it doesn't dip below the 1.5% during the transaction period. Also hope FSM doesn't discount the points/credits/life/mana/health that they give for switching out.
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QUOTE(lukenn @ Dec 26 2015, 04:16 PM)
That's actually quite cheap, but that 1.5% savings isn't going to save you, if you're buying at a bad tine.

Maybe can do the kiasu pinky method. On the promo day, buy 100% equities, as soon as transaction goes through, switch all into MMF, and collect points/credits/life/mana/health and hope it doesn't dip below the 1.5% during the transaction period. Also hope FSM doesn't discount the points/credits/life/mana/health that they give for switching out.
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well for next year. I gonna keep cash 1st, waiting for "right" moment to enter (if any  blush.gif )
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right moment means promotion ar ?
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I think right moment meaning today buy, tomorrow go up 10%.
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right moment means promotion ar ?
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Right moment may come within 3 months. Or it may come after 2 years. You want to wait?

I will just do DCA...
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Right moment may come within 3 months. Or it may come after 2 years. You want to wait?

I will just do DCA...
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Right moment may come within 3 months. Or it may come after 2 years. You want to wait?

I will just do DCA...
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Next month DCA more amount ar? Or maintain same?
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right movement is when there's some promo & the NAV is suitable to buy.

or when there's so much reducing in IRR or any other factors that might contribute to decision on top-up, sell off or re-balancing blush.gif
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Oi! Don't feed me eat dead cat! Ini kiasu method Penjaga Van, bukan aku!!! mad.gif  vmad.gif
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Oi! Don't feed me eat dead cat! Ini kiasu method Penjaga Van, bukan aku!!! mad.gif  vmad.gif
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Hahaha. Once in a while you just have to eat the pussy...cat. tongue.gif
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I have read the RHB Islamic Bond Fund annual report and found the following facts, hope all sifus can gve your opinion.

1) the fund size is not big, it grow approx. RM10mil per year, from RM23 mil (2013), to RM33mil (2014) and to RM43 mil (2015).
2) the short-term return (1,3, 6 months) performance are disappointing compared to the benchmark of FD Rate.
3) there is one bond default in 2012 and recovered recently in 2013, which contributed to the accessive gain of 20% for the year 2013.
4) Fund is in low liquidity, 98.65% of the funds holding bonds and only 1.35% cash (liquidity), wonder if t can meet any immediate redemption bearing in mind 2.5% of the investors own 86% of the funds. There are only 320 investors in this fund. 50% of the investors own less than 0.7% of the fund size, which is very extreme.

Based on the above,

a) I wonder if it is still advisable to invest in this fund (or any other bond fund) since the interest rate is escalating. The theory depicts that interest rate and bond performance has an invert relationship.
b) how is the default risk for malaysian bonds?

Hope sifu give your inputs.....
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a) I wonder if it is still advisable to invest in this fund (or any other bond fund) since the interest rate is escalating. The theory depicts that interest rate and bond performance has an invert relationship.
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FSM offer two strategies for bond investors to consider.
*Maintain a shorter duration approach when choosing bonds
*Increase exposure to high yield corporate credit

http://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/resea...-Investors-6317

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How Risky is Your Bond Fund?
October 30, 2009
As a general rule of thumb higher yields mean higher risk. In this article, we share with investor more information to assess the riskiness of bond funds. .....Author : iFast Research Team
http://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/resea...-Bond-Fund--412

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How Risky is Your Bond Fund?
October 30, 2009
As a general rule of thumb higher yields mean higher risk. In this article, we share with investor more information to assess the riskiness of bond funds.  .....Author : iFast Research Team 
http://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/resea...-Bond-Fund--412
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thanks, even though the article is 6-7 years old.
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thanks, even though the article is 6-7 years old.
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yes,..but the criteria for determining that risk would still be relevant.
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I have read the RHB Islamic Bond Fund annual report and found the following facts, hope all sifus can gve your opinion.

4) Fund is in low liquidity, 98.65% of the funds holding bonds and only 1.35% cash (liquidity), wonder if t can meet any immediate redemption bearing in mind 2.5% of the investors own 86% of the funds. There are only 320 investors in this fund. 50% of the investors own less than 0.7% of the fund size, which is very extreme.
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Chances are they might liquidate some investments to meet redemption demands from unitholders?

Btw, your investment must be REAL big to worry about this... brows.gif

I'm not holding any Malaysian bond fund at the moment.
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Dec 27 2015, 01:01 PM)
Chances are they might liquidate some investments to meet redemption demands from unitholders?

Btw, your investment must be REAL big to worry about this... brows.gif

I'm not holding any Malaysian bond fund at the moment.
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Liquidation risk is one of the risks to consider.
When the needs arise, the fund manager needs to liquidate or force selling the bonds that making profit at discounted rate, which will affect the performance of the fund

Anyone invest in this fund? What is your take for investing and de invest from this fund?
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FSM offer two strategies for bond investors to consider.
*Maintain a shorter duration approach when choosing bonds
*Increase exposure to high yield corporate credit

http://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/resea...-Investors-6317
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Liquidation risk is one of the risks to consider.
When the needs arise, the fund manager needs to liquidate or force selling the bonds that making profit at discounted rate, which will affect the performance of the fund

Anyone invest in this fund? What is your take for investing and de invest from this fund?
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As a retail investor you have neither control over exposure, duration nor credit rating.

The rule of thumb when choosing a bond funds is : the bigger, the better. Corporate papers generally run at 5mio each. So default and liquidation risk can be minimised by sheer size alone.

If these are your concerns, skip this fund. Move on. There are many other fixed income funds out there.





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QUOTE(lukenn @ Dec 27 2015, 01:36 PM)
As a retail investor you have neither control over exposure, duration nor credit rating.

The rule of thumb when choosing a bond funds is : the bigger, the better. Corporate papers generally run at 5mio each. So default and liquidation risk can be minimised by sheer size alone.

If these are your concerns, skip this fund. Move on. There are many other fixed income funds out there.
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Thanks for your inputs
In your opinion, what fund size is consider big enough to diversify the risk?
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a) I wonder if it is still advisable to invest in this fund (or any other bond fund) since the interest rate is escalating. The theory depicts that interest rate and bond performance has an invert relationship.
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I am talking about bond fund in general...

Let's say a company issued bond at par value of US$1000, with coupon rate of 5%. That means every year, it pays interest of $50/unit.

With Fed rate hike, the market value of the bond may drop. Let's say before that it was traded at $1000. Now the market price has dropped to $980. The issuer will still pay interest at $50, not $49.

And, as maturity date draws close, the market price will move towards its par value, which is $1000.

All these, provided that there is no DEFAULT.

Rate hike does increase the possibility of default. However, from what I know, bond default rate is low, even among junk bonds.

OK, will all those said, you make your own judgment tongue.gif

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Thanks for your inputs
In your opinion, what fund size is consider big enough to diversify the risk?
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I usually try to find funds that run 250mio and above, but I have purchased Eastspring Bond for a few clients, (about 100+mio) because the client was comfortable with its performance and CIO.


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I usually try to find funds that run 250mio and above, but I have purchased Eastspring Bond for a few clients, (about 100+mio) because the client was comfortable with its performance and CIO.
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hi guys

for cooling off period, does that mean if i withdraw within that period, no sales charge occurs?

can we utilize this feature to exit the fund if price drop a lot during that period?
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QUOTE(lukenn @ Dec 27 2015, 03:01 PM)
I usually try to find funds that run 250mio and above, but I have purchased Eastspring Bond for a few clients, (about 100+mio) because the client was comfortable with its performance and CIO.
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Thanks for your explanation.
appatently it make more sense to invest in bigger size bond funds
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QUOTE(river.sand @ Dec 27 2015, 02:38 PM)
I am talking about bond fund in general...

Let's say a company issued bond at par value of US$1000, with coupon rate of 5%. That means every year, it pays interest of $50/unit.

With Fed rate hike, the market value of the bond may drop. Let's say before that it was traded at $1000. Now the market price has dropped to $980. The issuer will still pay interest at $50, not $49.

And, as maturity date draws close, the market price will move towards its par value, which is $1000.

All these, provided that there is no DEFAULT.

Rate hike does increase the possibility of default. However, from what I know, bond default rate is low, even among junk bonds.

OK, will all those said, you make your own judgment  tongue.gif

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As a retail investor you have neither control over exposure, duration nor credit rating.
we can opt to exit when the exposure are not to our liking...same goes to EQ funds when they are mandated to invest in a particular country even though the foreseen future is not good....exit and go to a better or lower valuation sector/region/country.

The rule of thumb when choosing a bond funds is : the bigger, the better. Corporate papers generally run at 5mio each. So default and liquidation risk can be minimised by sheer size alone.
I thought they are mandated according to % of NAV to a particular stock/bond/sector...not so much as in value

If these are your concerns, skip this fund. Move on. There are many other fixed income funds out there.
yes...that is right b"cos some are as volatile as EQ funds
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