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post Dec 18 2015, 10:41 AM

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QUOTE(Vanguard 2015 @ Dec 17 2015, 10:44 PM)
I have been looking at the PRS funds  mainly for the RM3k tax relief.

The only benefits are as listed in FSM website.
But I see the performance of the funds are so, so only. I think the best performing fund is Kenanga OnePRS Fund. Am I right? Apart from tax relief and zero sales fee, I can't think of any other reasons why someone would prefer PRS funds with their lock in period compared to the normal funds under FSM.
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For individual contribution, yes, that's about the only benefit

That's why I always advocate for it for employer contribution. But not many employers are willing to do it. If you are self-employed under Sdn Bhd, you should consider that

One of the popular tax planning method is to shift remuneration into extra EPF contribution as it is tax deductible for the company up to 19% employer contribution. For the extra 7%, actually PRS can get tax deduction too. The biggest pro is, if you put in EPF, when you want to take out account 1 for unit trust investment, you need to pay sales charge; the funds must be approved by EPF which means only Malaysian equities and the amount you can take out will be less than the entire additional 7%

The con however is, most HR would not do extra work paying into different asset management companies and occasionally the employees would want to switch funds or fund house
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post Dec 18 2015, 10:46 AM

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QUOTE(Vanguard 2015 @ Dec 17 2015, 11:25 PM)
Yes, I know. About 70% KGF and 30% Kenanga Bond. But I think it is OK if I only put RM3k every year for the tax relief although I already have KGF in my portfolio.
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Actually I wish they have pure equity funds like CIMB or Affin Hwang or Am for us to choose. Kenanga bond is really lousy and dragging down the growth fund performance... 1 year return of 2.3%, CMF is much better
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post Dec 18 2015, 10:48 AM

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QUOTE(Vanguard 2015 @ Dec 18 2015, 10:45 AM)
Thanks a lot for your info. I am an employer but not under sdn bhd. I am under partnership. Therefore I think I should do PRS to get the tax relief. I don't have EPF as well unless I do self contribution.
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You might want to consider setting up Sdn Bhd. SME enjoys much better tax perks compared to partnership... I don't know much about LLP though


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post Dec 18 2015, 10:55 AM

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QUOTE(Vanguard 2015 @ Dec 18 2015, 10:50 AM)
Well I can't see any other good funds in PRS. There is another CIMB PRS fund which feeds into Ponzi 2. But since Ponzi 2 is not performing well currently, the CIMB PRS's performance is also affected.

Therefore Kenanga OnePRS Fund seems to be the way to go. Unless other forumers here have better options to offer?  notworthy.gif
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Refer to morningstar on latest returns
http://gllt.morningstar.com/e6qvxuu98r/fun...B&tab=ShortTerm

But the truth is, it's cyclical. It depends on which market you believe in really. Every year when I use the YTD returns to decide to buy which fund, end up after that it doesn't do well doh.gif

KGF will be those more stable fund, but if Msia equities crash... then the Asia funds would do better
This year I bought CIMB islamic asia pac... but in the red at the moment

My employer contribution feeds into Kenanga growth PRS... phew
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post Dec 22 2015, 02:21 PM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Dec 22 2015, 11:24 AM)
I think I wanna swtich from Affin Hwang Select Opportunity to Lee Sook Yee fund that day hmm.gif
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Boss finally jumping ship? I too think SOF is pretty hopeless jor... was waiting for KLSE to go up a bit to switch my tiny bit in SOF to Ponzi 1.0.... my target was 1,700 points.... until now never hit yawn.gif
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post Dec 22 2015, 03:08 PM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Dec 22 2015, 02:24 PM)

Aiyo, just switch when u see Singapore and HK index kaboom, cos Ponzi 1.0 heavy on those 2 markets. Wait for KLCI rally to 1,700? U slowly wait tongue.gif
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Thanks for the tip.... you are right.... doesn't look like it's happening ler. Luckily KGF still going strong, else my employer PRS also kaboom liao
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post Dec 22 2015, 03:17 PM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Dec 22 2015, 02:35 PM)
OT a bit

How many of u dah dapat annual bonus? Reduced from last years'? hmm.gif
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Yup, sudah dapat.... a bit less than last year. But grateful at least got bonus la.... Told myself to set aside at least 50% as savings la. Will be even tougher next year liao
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post Dec 23 2015, 09:56 AM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Dec 22 2015, 10:10 PM)
Just looked at long-term chart of Ponzi 1.0 vs Lee Sook Yee fund...

Thought about xuzen's Crystal Balls™... ph34r.gif
And contemplated on FSM's analysis on Bolehstocks... hmm.gif

Decided to switch all my Affin Hwang SOF to Ponzi 1.0 bruce.gif
http://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/resea...allenging--6639
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For once my sifu is following my strategy.... wub.gif
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post Dec 23 2015, 10:04 AM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Dec 22 2015, 09:42 PM)
My Aladdin fund IRR dropped to 2.87% doh.gif

Affin Hwang Select Opportunity...2.61% doh.gif doh.gif doh.gif
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My aladdin fund at 6.34%
SOF at 1.88% cry.gif

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post Dec 23 2015, 10:06 AM

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QUOTE(Vanguard 2015 @ Dec 22 2015, 10:28 PM)
Actually I shared this info a few times before. It's nothing new.  biggrin.gif Maybe the TS can post the info on the first page. Otherwise I need to create a template. Yes, the credit points are like token. As long as you have enough points, you can inter switch between different fund houses for free.
You are right in a way.
Please see my answer to Aoisky. For simplicity, just think of how many credit points you have. Recycle the points until eternity. Never redeem directly into CMF from equity funds. Always intra switch into a bond fund first. Then you will earn the credit points.
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Really superb ninja trick! rclxms.gif
Must start applying it... but okla, I've not sold many funds in the past... so limited 'losses' anyway

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post Dec 23 2015, 10:26 AM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Dec 23 2015, 10:09 AM)
Key word - itu penjaga van OVERTRADES his UTs whistling.gif
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For my mum's portfolio, I plan to rebalance and pay her the 'dividends'. So this trick comes in handy for me to cash out some of the equity funds and shift to the ponzi 2.0 which is not doing great at the moment
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post Dec 28 2015, 03:35 PM

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Hand itchy liao.... decided to try Vanguard's ninja trick; intra switched some of my MY equity funds to bond funds for credits brows.gif
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post Dec 28 2015, 03:59 PM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Dec 28 2015, 03:37 PM)
Sila report on progress brows.gif
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I got no plans to buy eq funds though; just thought to shiok sendiri to accumulate credits. I was going to switch sell anyway

I follow FSM advice... increase FI/cash allocation; reduce EQ

This post has been edited by dasecret: Dec 28 2015, 03:59 PM
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post Dec 28 2015, 04:02 PM

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QUOTE(yklooi @ Dec 28 2015, 03:59 PM)
hope you have a BETTER luck than me....
mad.gif i got mine wrong again (as usual)...switched in 23 July....few days later it crashed and it is still in RED since
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Ouch.... I have 1 fund also like that.... still waiting for it to turnaround... or one fine day when I beh tahan; just cut loss cry.gif
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post Dec 28 2015, 04:41 PM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Dec 28 2015, 04:11 PM)
Year end liao...even fund managers also clear leave, why u guys so hardworking? tongue.gif
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What about you?

This is a good time to be in office, quiet not much calls and meetings; and the traffic is superb....
Next week the nightmare will start again yawn.gif
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post Dec 28 2015, 05:05 PM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Dec 28 2015, 04:59 PM)
I'd rather be at home watching KLSE stocks blinking lights brows.gif
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I don't have so many annual leave to burn la.... If I'm taking a day off would rather go shopping, go spa, go facial etc.... It'll be more tiring than going to work sweat.gif
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post Dec 28 2015, 06:12 PM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Dec 28 2015, 05:44 PM)
Women. mega_shok.gif

Yeah. Shopping is indeed more tiring than working laugh.gif

Back to topic...

These few days should be good to switch out from Bolehland large cap-focused funds...fund manyzers window dressing period...expect hell after new year. Just my opinion.  I ain't got no Crystal Balls ™ though tongue.gif
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Yeah... my sifu agree with my approach wor... whistling.gif
I still haven't switch out my Hwang SOF to ponzi 1.0; maybe should do it tomorrow... Hang Seng falling anyway
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post Dec 29 2015, 09:40 AM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Dec 28 2015, 06:41 PM)
I usually won't transact during last 1-3 days of the month...cos the transaction won't be completed by the end of the month, will be hanging as "in process" during the T+4 period. So I dah switched last week tongue.gif
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This is some accountant obsession is it? Cannot have reconciling items? doh.gif
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post Dec 29 2015, 10:26 AM

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KLSE at 1,680 level liao.... any chance to break 1,700 by end of this year? drool.gif

I just want it to hit 1,700 for me to throw some of my underperforming Msia funds yawn.gif
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post Dec 29 2015, 05:04 PM

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Update on my credit ninja trick

I forgot about switching fee and didn't check before switching... turn out pheim charges 1% doh.gif
The 0.5% sales charge promo would have been more worth while cry.gif

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