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post Jan 6 2015, 05:44 PM, updated 11y ago

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As you can see Ringgit Malaysia drop like mad in many ways aginst USD, SGD, RMB, Thai bath, New Taiwan dollar.


I want to change most of my savings RM to USD as.I believe it.might raised to one USD become 4 Ringgit malaysia.

Beside money changer is there a faster way to switch myr currency to USD??
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instead find a way to earn usd

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invest in US stock
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How to invest US stock?????
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QUOTE(Croner @ Jan 6 2015, 05:44 PM)
As you can see Ringgit Malaysia drop like mad in many ways aginst USD, SGD, RMB, Thai bath, New Taiwan dollar.
I want to change most of my savings RM to USD as.I believe it.might raised to one USD become 4 Ringgit malaysia.

Beside money changer is there a faster way to switch myr currency to USD??
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i share yr pain... n i bet almost everyone here is thinking about that. action or not, that's the question...

the trouble is not just declining oil n commodity prices but the foreign sell off, illicit capital outflows, imdb bomb about to explode, flood damages, mas-airasia disasters' negativism. all that takes sentiments n confidence to a low low.

but there is an argument that rm has improved over aud, yen... and hundreds of bil of reserves to the rescue later... so...??

money changer... the spread is big, no int/div = very costly.

no sure answer for u, but suggest u take a look at foreign funds/bourse, e.g. singapore reits which give dividends or us etfs.

check the section, the threads r there.

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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Jan 6 2015, 06:01 PM)
i share yr pain... n i bet almost everyone here is thinking about that. action or not, that's the question...

the trouble is not just declining oil n commodity prices but the foreign sell off, illicit capital outflows, imdb bomb about to explode, flood damages, mas-airasia disasters' negativism. all that takes sentiments n confidence to a low low.

but there is an argument that rm has improved over aud, yen... and hundreds of bil of reserves to the rescue later... so...??

money changer... the spread is big, no int/div =  very costly.

no sure answer for u, but suggest u take a look at foreign funds/bourse, e.g. singapore reits which give dividends or us etfs.

check the section, the threads r there.
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??? I dun understamd dude. So is money changer the only way?
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post Jan 6 2015, 06:42 PM

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QUOTE(Croner @ Jan 6 2015, 06:26 PM)
??? I dun understamd dude. So is money changer the only way?
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if u din follow me, u do hv quite a bit to read up and act...

basically, i was saying:

... money changer, you buy sgd with rm at say 2.70, if u sell immediately after buying , u get only 2.60, u already lost 3-4%. this is called spread - money changers earn it, that's their biz.

... if u put money in stocks, sgreits, etc. the spread is much less, 0.5% thereabout. of course, there is risk in that: prices can go up or down.

... if doing this for very short term, money changer maybe ok. for longer term, better look at the other options as u will also lose out w/o interest or dividends.

... read:
https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/2504121/+820
https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/3397675/+400
https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/3396549/+60

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I have faith that MYR will recover to 1myr = 3.3usd , let's not lose hope xD
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RM3.55 for 1 USD. This is ridiculous sad.gif
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QUOTE(velocitycnr @ Jan 6 2015, 07:15 PM)
RM3.55 for 1 USD. This is ridiculous  sad.gif
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not at all.
where u were in 1997?
usd/rm = 3.80. fd rates >10%.


the big question to ask now is what will help strengthen rm and if these elements are there or will happen?

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QUOTE(velocitycnr @ Jan 6 2015, 07:15 PM)
RM3.55 for 1 USD. This is ridiculous  sad.gif
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I am eager to see your reaction when reach RM4 for 1USD
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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Jan 6 2015, 07:25 PM)
not at all.
where u were in 1997?
usd/rm = 3.80. fd rates >10%.
the big question to ask now is what will help strengthen rm and if these elements are there or will happen?
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I see a lot of elements that weaken the RM only
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post Jan 6 2015, 07:57 PM

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I am think it will go down to RM 4 to 1 USD by end of the year.
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If u are dam kaw rich.. u can open a priority banking services which offer DCI (dual currency investment)

Then u bank in your RM, and u can ask your Relationship manager to buy into all USD without a question ask like money changer does. No cap.

second option is.

open a foreign future account with cimb. Bank jn the ringgit malaysia, and ask dealer or future broker to permanently changed it to USD.. also no question ask no matter how big is it.


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QUOTE(Bonescythe @ Jan 6 2015, 08:24 PM)
If u are dam kaw rich.. u can open a priority banking services which offer DCI (dual currency investment)

Then u bank in your RM, and u can ask your Relationship manager to buy into all USD without a question ask like money changer does. No cap.

second option is.

open a foreign future account with cimb. Bank jn the ringgit malaysia, and ask dealer or future broker to permanently changed it to USD.. also no question ask no matter how big is it.
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good idea rclxms.gif

u have done it before brows.gif
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The current RM drop is due to oil price.

It will be volatile for the next 2 to 12 months (my guess).

I thought DCI is open to everyone?

But let's say it's available to you, and you make use of it.

Unless you have a reasonable idea of what's happening to currency exchange, you are doing nothing more than placing your bets at the casino.
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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Jan 6 2015, 08:36 PM)
good idea  rclxms.gif

u have done it before  brows.gif
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brows.gif

I done it before or not.. i dun wanna let you know... let u speculate smile.gif

brows.gif

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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Jan 6 2015, 07:25 PM)
not at all.
where u were in 1997?
usd/rm = 3.80. fd rates >10%.
the big question to ask now is what will help strengthen rm and if these elements are there or will happen?
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Dun understand why they put fd rate more than 10that time.. can explain?
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People panic when they see MYR is weakening, but in reality, have you guys actually analyse and look at how it will affect you? Most of the people won't be affected unless MYR goes down the drain to a level that is so low, like MYR 5/USD or something.

That will never happen, as soon as the MYR goes down so low, the government will just peg it at a point, they've done it before previously.

And if you're trying to make a quick buck from the decline, let's do some simple calculation eh.

Now it's MYR 3.55/USD. So let's say you buy MYR 20k worth of USD now. You'll get USD 5,633.80.

So we assume MYR will go down to MYR 3.8/USD - this was the rate back in 2005/2004 - around 10 years ago. How much would you gain?

It's interesting to note that back when MYR was around 3.8/USD, the average Malaysian was still living normally, nobody died of hunger or couldn't survive or anything like that.

USD 5,633.80 x 3.8 = MYR 21,408.

So with MYR 20k, you get around 1.4k profit, around 7%. That is the best case scenario. What if you missed the selling window, and the MYR goes back up? Forex is a highly fluctuating and speculating investment.

So before jumping up and buying USD and all, you better be prepared. Does the profit outweigh the risk? Up to your personal appetite.
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QUOTE(Ancient-XinG- @ Jan 6 2015, 10:52 PM)
Dun understand why they put fd rate more than 10that time.. can explain?
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it's not that the banks want it, but market forces demand it. until u put capital controls.

the rm was freely traded overseas before. when the currency attack got underway, the rm was heavily sold overseas.
overseas banks were offering 15-20% int for rm becos they know the result will be the rm will lose 30% value or so when it is done.
thai baht, indon rupiah same result.
i can tell u at that time, some people were carrying bags of rm on the plane to deposit offshore.

actually even now, weak economy countries have int rates >10% like brazil, argentina, nigeria, russia.

u can read more here as to how it happend - credit bubbles, hot money, etc...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1997_Asian_financial_crisis

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If 1ndb bond bond issued is not resolved by this month end, could expect myr/usd rate to drop further.


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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Jan 6 2015, 07:25 PM)
not at all.
where u were in 1997?
usd/rm = 3.80. fd rates >10%.
the big question to ask now is what will help strengthen rm and if these elements are there or will happen?
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In 1998, USD/MYR was at its lowest of 4.40.
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QUOTE(xeda @ Jan 6 2015, 10:56 PM)
People panic when they see MYR is weakening, but in reality, have you guys actually analyse and look at how it will affect you? Most of the people won't be affected unless MYR goes down the drain to a level that is so low, like MYR 5/USD or something.

That will never happen, as soon as the MYR goes down so low, the government will just peg it at a point, they've done it before previously.

And if you're trying to make a quick buck from the decline, let's do some simple calculation eh.

Now it's MYR 3.55/USD. So let's say you buy MYR 20k worth of USD now. You'll get USD 5,633.80.

So we assume MYR will go down to MYR 3.8/USD - this was the rate back in 2005/2004 - around 10 years ago. How much would you gain?

It's interesting to note that back when MYR was around 3.8/USD, the average Malaysian was still living normally, nobody died of hunger or couldn't survive or anything like that.

USD 5,633.80 x 3.8 = MYR 21,408.

So with MYR 20k, you get around 1.4k profit, around 7%. That is the best case scenario. What if you missed the selling window, and the MYR goes back up? Forex is a highly fluctuating and speculating investment.

So before jumping up and buying USD and all, you better be prepared. Does the profit outweigh the risk? Up to your personal appetite.
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Wooooooo there horsy ... You think pegging money is the answer to everything ? You really don't know the risk of pegging money.
Doon't think pegging money is like a snap of a finger by the government.
Go search the web about risk pegging currency.. Last time Malaysia have reserved .. Now 1MDB already eaten that reserved .. How to peg money ?? You tell me !! We are not Japan produce tech and hell we are not China that produce goods.

Read and learn before you say "Pegged" currency is the answer BOY !! .


Cons of a Fixed/Pegged Rate
Is there any downside to a fixed or pegged currency? Yes. This type of currency regime isn't all positive. There is a price that governments pay when implementing a fixed or pegged exchange rate in their countries.

A common element with all fixed or pegged foreign exchange regimes is the need to maintain the fixed exchange rate. This requires large amounts of reserves as the country's government or central bank is constantly buying or selling the domestic currency. China is a perfect example. Before repealing the fixed rate scheme in 2010, Chinese foreign exchange reserves grew significantly each year in order to maintain the U.S. dollar peg rate. The pace of growth in reserves was so rapid it took China only a couple of years to overshadow Japan's foreign exchange reserves. As of January 2011, it was announced that Beijing owned $2.8 trillion in reserves – more than double that of Japan at the time.

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QUOTE(MGM @ Jan 7 2015, 03:45 AM)
In 1998, USD/MYR was at its lowest of 4.40.
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Last time it falls to RM4.40 but the government have enough reserved to circulate the money .. till now RM ever got to 3.0 = 1usd. Last time it was like 2.7 = 1usd. How many years now and we still can't recover below 3.0 = 1usd.
And now with all the shits that happen .. I doubt we can recover to 3.0 or yet we might go 5.0 = 1usd and stay there for a couple of years.

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Most bank in Malaysia have a multi currency account. So, open one and convert your savings to USD. Easy as.
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QUOTE(TruthHurts @ Jan 7 2015, 05:29 AM)
Last time it falls to RM4.40 but the government have enough reserved to circulate the money .. till now RM ever got to 3.0 = 1usd. Last time it was like 2.7 = 1usd. How many years now and we still can't recover below 3.0 = 1usd.
And now with all the shits that happen .. I doubt we can recover to 3.0 or yet we might go 5.0 = 1usd and stay there for a couple of years.
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Read somewhere that the reserve then was only USD30 billion but now is USD110 billion.
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QUOTE(MGM @ Jan 7 2015, 03:45 AM)
In 1998, USD/MYR was at its lowest of 4.40.
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yes, it was. i just don't remember how low except it was pegged at 3.80 eventually.
QUOTE(MGM @ Jan 7 2015, 08:16 AM)
Read somewhere that the reserve then was only USD30 billion but now is USD110 billion.
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usd125bil.
http://www.tradingeconomics.com/malaysia/f...change-reserves

QUOTE(TruthHurts @ Jan 7 2015, 05:29 AM)
Last time it falls to RM4.40 but the government have enough reserved to circulate the money .. till now RM ever got to 3.0 = 1usd. Last time it was like 2.7 = 1usd. How many years now and we still can't recover below 3.0 = 1usd.
And now with all the shits that happen .. I doubt we can recover to 3.0 or yet we might go 5.0 = 1usd and stay there for a couple of years.
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before 1997, it was 2.50 for a long time, when sgd/rm = 1. now, sgd = rm2.67.

seems our gomen doesnt want the rm to appr but rather happy to see it depreciate in a controlled manner. if not,why wud bnm not intervene now with so much reserves... unless they want it that way - help exports which are hurting now. now, that in turn hurt the consumers having to pay higher prices in rm. even food and basic stuff, how much is produced locally, how much imported? my feeling is over the decades, we hv been producing less n less, importing more n more...? add base inflation, gst, etc = more pain!!

peg... if it is that easy, everyone will peg 1:1 to usd, everybody eat McD or huge steak for same price!! tongue.gif an economy like many around the world, that consumes, use debt easily n quickly, waste resources, does not produce/export much, low productivity popn = eventually get a weak currency, people poor. compare usa/germany/south korea/singapore vs india/russia/turkey/argentina.



so... i see few reasons for rm to strengthen anytime soon. crude price recover... ya, maybe 1-2 yrs? meanwhile, i wud expect rm to decline further. 3.80 is not unreal, imo. and gomen may just be happy with it...?

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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Jan 7 2015, 08:49 AM)
yes, it was. i just don't remember how low except it was pegged at 3.80 eventually.

usd125bil.
http://www.tradingeconomics.com/malaysia/f...change-reserves
before 1997, it was 2.50 for a long time, when sgd/rm = 1. now, sgd = rm2.67.

seems our gomen doesnt want the rm to appr but rather happy to see it depreciate in a controlled manner. if not,why wud bnm not intervene now with so much reserves... unless they want it that way - help exports which are hurting now. now, that in turn hurt the consumers having to pay higher prices in rm. even food and basic stuff, how much is produced locally, how much imported? my feeling is over the decades, we hv been producing less n less, importing more n more...? add base inflation, gst, etc = more pain!!

peg... if it is that easy, everyone will peg 1:1 to usd, everybody eat McD or huge steak for same price!! tongue.gif an economy like many around the world, that consumes, use debt easily n quickly, waste resources, does not produce/export much, low productivity popn = eventually get a weak currency, people poor. compare usa/germany/south korea/singapore vs india/russia/turkey/argentina.
so... i see few reasons for rm to strengthen anytime soon. crude price recover... ya, maybe 1-2 yrs? meanwhile, i wud expect rm to decline further. 3.80 is not unreal, imo. and gomen may just be happy with it...?
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BNM doesn't intervene despite having adequate reserves because this time, it is not RM depreciating alone like 97, whereby at that time, RM vs all major currencies plummeting. (I remembered last time Rm:GBP 7.3)

It is against USD that RM drop the most, against other major currencies like Yen, Aud, Euro, GBP, RM is actually appreciating a little somemore or more and less the same.

That's why BNM doesn't make a move until now.

Intervene in exchange rate will only drain your foreign currency reserves faster, it is not prefer move as long as the movement of rate is still order.


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Actually the lowest is 4.70 and highest 2.1

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buy MYR items sell in USD to overseas.
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QUOTE(cherroy @ Jan 7 2015, 09:15 AM)
That's why BNM doesn't make a move until now.
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yep, looks like it - no intervention even today:

usd 3.58
sgd 2.68

imports in usd or sgd will surely jump in price in no time...
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better buy imported from USA goods now before they increase price
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QUOTE(Ancient-XinG- @ Jan 6 2015, 10:52 PM)
Dun understand why they put fd rate more than 10that time.. can explain?
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I think they wanted more cash to be in their bank in order to invest as the crisis during that time made most of the people is holding their cash without doing anything.
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I honestly think that many people here are panic over for nothing. The government is obviously monitoring the situation and I do not think that government would allow USD 1 = MYR4 to happen.

Instead of worrying this and that, why not just move to SG and work then? SGD is rising up now.
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Zeti Aziz said dropping MYR is not a problem.
Our part time FM also never say anything.
AHmad Maslan said low MYR will drive export
Why You all so afraid of??
BR1M kan ada

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QUOTE(Belphegor @ Jan 7 2015, 10:21 AM)
I honestly think that many people here are panic over for nothing. The government is obviously monitoring the situation and I do not think that government would allow USD 1 = MYR4 to happen.

Instead of worrying this and that, why not just move to SG and work then? SGD is rising up now.
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Panic is one thing..
but i think it is not about panic.. it is about punter/trader/hedgers taking opportunity to profit from this situation.

bystander see and comment comment only lor..
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QUOTE(Bonescythe @ Jan 7 2015, 12:35 PM)
Panic is one thing..
but i think it is not about panic.. it is about punter/trader/hedgers taking opportunity to profit from this situation.

bystander see and comment comment only lor..
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Yes it is indeed. When one falls, another will raise. When US currency drop, many people change to USD as well. Now Ringgit drop, everyone actually panic. laugh.gif
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i dun speak for others...

it is neither panic nor attempt to profit.

just an effort to protect hard earned n saved funds from losing too much purchasing power.

anyway, ok to continue discussion or laugh it off. tongue.gif
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damn man i just wanna know how to switch my MYR to USD beside money changer...why suddenly so many discussion..
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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Jan 7 2015, 08:49 AM)
yes, it was. i just don't remember how low except it was pegged at 3.80 eventually.

usd125bil.
http://www.tradingeconomics.com/malaysia/f...change-reserves
before 1997, it was 2.50 for a long time, when sgd/rm = 1. now, sgd = rm2.67.

seems our gomen doesnt want the rm to appr but rather happy to see it depreciate in a controlled manner. if not,why wud bnm not intervene now with so much reserves... unless they want it that way - help exports which are hurting now. now, that in turn hurt the consumers having to pay higher prices in rm. even food and basic stuff, how much is produced locally, how much imported? my feeling is over the decades, we hv been producing less n less, importing more n more...? add base inflation, gst, etc = more pain!!

peg... if it is that easy, everyone will peg 1:1 to usd, everybody eat McD or huge steak for same price!! tongue.gif an economy like many around the world, that consumes, use debt easily n quickly, waste resources, does not produce/export much, low productivity popn = eventually get a weak currency, people poor. compare usa/germany/south korea/singapore vs india/russia/turkey/argentina.
so... i see few reasons for rm to strengthen anytime soon. crude price recover... ya, maybe 1-2 yrs? meanwhile, i wud expect rm to decline further. 3.80 is not unreal, imo. and gomen may just be happy with it...?
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SGD has moved away from RM 1:1 ratio very very long time ago, but US dollar to MYR exchange rate was around 2.3-2.7 most of the time until 1997 crisis. Then it dropped to a point even as low as 4.8. But after most foreign funds have pulled out of Malaysia, and analyzing the import and export balance, M'sia pegged the ringgit to 3.8 to put a stop to speculative forex trading. The ratio of 3.8 is not arbitrary, it depends on the current import and export level. If government has to do another peg in the future, no doubt these factors will be considered. And the peg can be changed if economic conditions changed, lets say oil price recovers and the export earnings > import expense.

The problem with pegging is the foreign funds do not like the rate to be dictated by a government. So they will keep pushing government to remove it. If most of the foreign funds already left the country and there is too much speculative trading (such as those of you changing MYR to foreign currency for example), the government might peg the ringgit to stop the bleeding (because everytime one of you change MYR to foreign currency, it makes the ringgit drops further), and meanwhile the government is not concerned about foreign funds opinions because they hold little investment in the country anyway.

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QUOTE(Croner @ Jan 7 2015, 01:41 PM)
damn man i just wanna know how to switch my MYR to USD beside money changer...why suddenly so many discussion..
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there must be so many ways available now.

go to bank and ask for multi currency account.

go to investment bank and ask for foreign trading.

not sure how much is required before they will accept your application though. for example,

http://www.rhb.com.my/deposits/multi-currency/mc_main.html


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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Jan 6 2015, 06:42 PM)
if u din follow me, u do hv quite a bit to read up and act...

basically, i was saying:

... money changer, you buy sgd with rm at say 2.70, if u sell immediately after buying , u get only 2.60, u already lost 3-4%. this is called spread - money changers earn it, that's their biz.
Money changer spread is actually very low....definitely less than 1%; e.g. http://www.moneymaster.com.my based in midvalley megamall

SGD SINGAPORE DOLLAR 2.645 2.660 2.66/2.645 = only 0.57%

SD US DOLLAR 3.535 3.565 3.565/3.535 = only 0.85%

I went for overseas hol last mth and if I were to exchange back the USD$ to RM which I still have leftover, I would have made over 8% profit

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Money changer spread is actually very low....definitely less than 1%

SGD  SINGAPORE DOLLAR  2.645  2.660        2.66/2.645 = only 0.57%

SD  US DOLLAR  3.535  3.565              3.565/3.535 = only 0.85%

I went for overseas hol last mth and if I were to exchange back the USD$ to RM which I still have leftover, I would have made over 8% profit
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thanks for info, haven't been to money changer in a long time!

that is probably among the better ones.
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thanks for info, haven't been to money changer in a long time!

that is probably among the better ones.
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better buy imported from USA goods now before they increase price
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there must be so many ways available now.

go to bank and ask for multi currency account.

go to investment bank and ask for foreign trading.

not sure how much is required before they will accept your application though. for example,

http://www.rhb.com.my/deposits/multi-currency/mc_main.html
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USD rises we cannot do anything about it because oil is priced in USD. So if oil price goes down, USD would go up. When USD goes up, most other currencies must go down. This low oil price situation cannot go on for long. It would definitely rise again once the shale oil producers go out of business because of persistent low oil price.
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damn man i just wanna know how to switch my MYR to USD beside money changer...why suddenly so many discussion..
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anyone frequent to money charger? is it money charger don't like to publish their rate on a board for public viewing in their business premise but inside their own office instead? i know bank publish their rate for public viewing.
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anyone frequent to money charger? is it money charger don't like to publish their rate on a board for public viewing in their business premise but inside their own office instead? i know bank publish their rate for public viewing.
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i just do it in money changer. 3.55. now 3.57
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If you just want to change, money changers are the easiest.

If you are afraid of RM losing its value against USD, hedge it by investing in US denominated treasuries or other equities like stocks. But note the risks involved.
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That's why BNM doesn't make a move until now.
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Malaysia’s Foreign Reserves Fall 14 Percent to Lowest Since 2011
By Liau Y-Sing  Jan 8, 2015 6:42 PM GMT+0800  0 Comments  Email  Print

Malaysia’s foreign-exchange reserves dropped to the lowest level since March 2011, a sign the central bank may have intervened to stem a slide in Southeast Asia’s worst-performing currency.

The holdings fell 14 percent to $116 billion as of end-December from a year earlier, Bank Negara Malaysia data showed today. They declined 4 percent from the previous fortnight. The ringgit has weakened 10 percent since June and dropped to a five-year low of 3.5862 a dollar yesterday. It closed 0.4 percent higher at 3.5665 in Kuala Lumpur today.

A slide in global crude prices has put pressure on the ringgit, posing a revenue risk for oil-exporting Malaysia, which is seeking to lower the fiscal deficit to 3 percent of gross domestic product in 2015 from 3.5 percent. The central bank may have intervened in the first two weeks of December to stem the currency’s slide, UBS AG strategists including Gareth Berry wrote in a research note earlier today.

Malaysia’s foreign reserves were supported by a bigger current-account surplus and foreign direct investment inflows in 2014, Bank Negara said in a statement. The holdings can finance 8.4 months of retained imports and are 1.1 times the short-term external debt, it said.

“The reserves are expected to remain ample in 2015, supported by trade and investment inflows,” Bank Negara said.

Debt Holdings

The central bank told local lenders last month to guard against speculation in its currency. All short-dated transactions requiring the exchange of ringgit for a foreign currency must be backed by documentation, Bank Negara Malaysia said in a Dec. 4 statement.

Concern about the nation’s finances is already starting to show in the local-currency debt market, where global funds reduced holdings of Malaysian government and corporate debt in November by 5.8 percent, the most since September 2011, to 236.5 billion ringgit ($66.2 billion), official data showed Dec. 31.

The impact on the ringgit from the drop in oil is “amplified by the heavy foreign presence” in bonds and equities, the UBS report said. Valuation effects will distort today’s reserves numbers, magnifying any drop, as the dollar rally into year-end lowered the U.S. currency value held in other currencies, it said.
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let's hope there is enough to intervene n not let it go beyond 3.60!
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here we go:
let's hope there is enough to intervene n not let it go beyond 3.60!
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When there is money outflow, for sure it will drain the foreign currencies reserves, it doesn't mean BNM goes into the market to intervene.

Intervene means throwing its own USD and exchange into RM purposely to stablise the exchange rate.
While ordinary need to exchange for demand of money inflow/outflow is not an intervention.

So far there is no report showed the BNM intervene the forex market aggressively.

When a overseas fund pull out money from stock market/bond market in Malaysia, they sell the bonds/stocks, and get the cash RM.
Now they want to convert the RM to USD, who can exchange the RM into USD for them? BNM. Where BNM can find the USD? From its foreign currency reserves.
Then you see BNM's USD amount drop aka its foreign currency reserves drop.

Same with a local company doing export, they received payment in USD. Now they want to convert RM, who they exchange the USD to RM? BNM.
Then you see foreign currency reserves rise, this is how Malaysia or BNM built up the foreign currency reserves.


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If you just want to change, money changers are the easiest.

If you are afraid of RM losing its value against USD, hedge it by investing in US denominated treasuries or other equities like stocks.  But note the risks involved.
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One can hedge against RM through investing in stock market as well on those company that potential benefited from the lower RM exchange, typically company doing export and received payment in USD.
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One can hedge against RM through investing in stock market as well on those company that potential benefited from the lower RM exchange, typically company doing export and received payment in USD.
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USD to MYR stuck in 3.57 many days. oh gosh
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Why do you guys think Najib met with Obama recently?? and why it was more important for him to do so than to attend to the Floods?


OPEC controlled by the Saudis is causing a proxy attack on Russia and Iran by dropping oil to below $50/barrel. USA are placing huge pressure on the economies of those rogue countries. Unfortunately, Msia is an innocent bystander. Do not panic, once this attack on their economy sinks in, Msia and its starving population will be the first to receive food aid from USA...

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Why do you guys think Najib met with Obama recently?? and why it was more important for him to do so than to attend to the Floods?
OPEC controlled by the Saudis is causing a proxy attack on Russia and Iran by dropping oil to below $50/barrel. USA are placing huge pressure on the economies of those rogue countries. Unfortunately, Msia is an innocent bystander. Do not panic, once this attack on their economy sinks in, Msia and its starving population will be the first to receive food aid from USA...
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USD 1 to myr 3.70 is not unexpected.

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USD to MYR stuck in 3.57 many days. oh gosh
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What if there is 1MDB 2.0? How low can RM go?

http://www.kinibiz.com/story/tigertalk/133...i-1mdb-2.0.html
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One thing for sure, the coming year of goat will be more costly one as imported stuff price is higher now. Even for IT stuff. The price keep on increasing when it always gone down before. Now is trying to think what will benefit when RM is down beside changing to US$. Will Malaysian government borrowing rate will go up?
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QUOTE(Battlefield1942 @ Jan 11 2015, 05:50 PM)
One thing for sure, the coming year of goat will be more costly one as imported stuff price is higher now. Even for IT stuff. The price keep on increasing when it always gone down before. Now is trying to think what will benefit when RM is down beside changing to US$. Will Malaysian government borrowing rate will go up?
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my concern is food and medicine prices.

we grow little food, import mostly.
and there are >5mil foreign workers eating everyday and needing medicines too.
add gst in april, it will not be pretty.

how to hedge/benefit from low rm...?
some have suggested getting stock of usd exports cos. like glove n condoms but i dun see their stock prices escalating with such poor sentiments now.
ok, one idea- buy pc, ipad, iphone, imported goodies quick! tongue.gif

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My hobby already hit since December when the pre-order kit price raise by RM10-15 each kit and shipment switch to surface to save cost due to rising US$. Daiso shop - if you buy from aboard one will notice it cost 6% higher after exchange to RM when it suppose to be RM5/= all over the world. Hopefully,it can be even out by dropping petrol price. I switch to RON 97 to clean my old engine! I hear many immigrants is heading this way due to starvation and rising rice price along the border of bangla-myanmar border. No way one can stop starving people. I think we can deposit into US dollar account at our local bank like UOB etc. They also have Aus and NZ dollar too. If have extra $$$ then can open one as it similar to fd but it have higher risk too due to exchange rate. I once put 5K into Am currency II and after maturity - it lost money but it capital protected so I still get RM19/= for my two year.

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My hobby already hit since December when the pre-order kit price raise by RM10-15 each kit and shipment switch to surface to save cost due to rising US$. Daiso shop - if you buy from aboard one will notice it cost 6% higher after exchange to RM when it suppose to be RM5/= all over the world. Hopefully,it can be even out by dropping petrol price. I switch to RON 97 to clean my old engine! I hear many immigrants is heading this way due to starvation and rising rice price along the border of bangla-myanmar border. No way one can stop starving people. I think we can deposit into US dollar account at our local bank like UOB etc. They also have Aus and NZ dollar too. If have extra $$$ then can open one as it similar to fd but it have higher risk too due to exchange rate. I once put 5K into Am currency II and after maturity - it lost money but it capital protected so I still get RM19/= for my two year.
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today 3.592/3.595.
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MYR may go even lower from current rate. import products may get more expensive cry.gif
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Dont worry, our central bank will intervene....pakai reserve to defend ringgit
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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Jan 11 2015, 01:06 PM)
my concern is food and medicine prices.

we grow little food, import mostly.
and there are >5mil foreign workers eating everyday and needing medicines too.
add gst in april, it will not be pretty.

how to hedge/benefit from low rm...?
some have suggested getting stock of usd exports cos. like glove n condoms but i dun see their stock prices escalating with such poor sentiments now.
ok, one idea- buy pc, ipad, iphone, imported goodies quick! tongue.gif
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Buy stocks of global companies or companies in Malaysia dealing in exports.
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Usd 1 to rm3.67 now In all Forex Malaysia.
they are selling myr hard to buy USD.

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QUOTE(Croner @ Mar 10 2015, 07:07 PM)
Usd 1 to rm3.67 now In all Forex Malaysia.
they are selling myr hard to buy USD.
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u started this thread in jan, 3.57

u must be one happy person.

not 3.67, should be 3.70.

try tmrw. maybe 3.73.

https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/3470081/+100

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u started this thrread in jan, 3.57

u must be one happy person.

not 3.67, should be 3.70.

try tmrw. maybe 3.73! laugh.gif
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Well yes. I exchange 6 thousand USD In currency exchange store with rate 3.55
After patiently waiting for a month, i exchange bACK to myr 3 thousand USD with 3.50 rate cause lack of financial support.

that time thou international price was 3.6x but Malaysia forex company still remain 3.57~ thingy.

Until recently boost up to 3.67~
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If I treat this issue seriously on 2014 Dec that time USD is like maybe 3.1, and raise to 3.3. I noticed but I only just swearing in Facebook but never take action.

I take action when it hit 3.57 in money changer here.



Anyway the original sentense of this topic was * ringgit Malaysia drop like fck*
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not only rm. many other currencies too.

not sure what to think... maybe another global currency-oil crisis looming?

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Dollar at 12-year peak vs euro, emerging markets spooked

The prospect of rising U.S. yields threatened to draw funds away from emerging markets, causing strains from Brazil to Turkey. The Brazilian real led the rout, having fallen for the sixth straight session.

The pressure then spread through Asia and Africa with the South Korean won hitting its lowest since late August 2013, the Singapore dollar since 2010 and South Africa's rand in 13 years.

Eastern Europe was also heavily in the red. Selling accelerated for Poland's zloty, the Czech crown, Romania's leu and Hungary's forint while MSCI's main emerging market stock index fell for its eighth day running.

"At times like these it is really the currency moves, nobody really cares about the carry anymore," said Jeffries emerging markets strategist Richard Segal.
http://www.theedgemarkets.com/my/article/d...markets-spooked

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not only rm. many other currencies too.

not sure what to think... maybe another global currency-oil crisis looming?
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not much effect from oil i think, but the greece concern and US fed rates causing increment in USD. but on the oil, need to see US inventories, whether increase or decrease for this month.
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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Jan 6 2015, 06:01 PM)
i share yr pain... n i bet almost everyone here is thinking about that. action or not, that's the question...

the trouble is not just declining oil n commodity prices but the foreign sell off, illicit capital outflows, imdb bomb about to explode, flood damages, mas-airasia disasters' negativism. all that takes sentiments n confidence to a low low.

but there is an argument that rm has improved over aud, yen... and hundreds of bil of reserves to the rescue later... so...??

money changer... the spread is big, no int/div =  very costly.

no sure answer for u, but suggest u take a look at foreign funds/bourse, e.g. singapore reits which give dividends or us etfs.

check the section, the threads r there.
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so its a good time to hold some aud/yen at this point? I spend a lot of US dollars and this exchange rate is killing me
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so its a good time to hold some aud/yen at this point? I spend a lot of US dollars and this exchange rate is killing me
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this is always the question - is it too early or too late to do it now?

nobody knows... but we do know:

.. just about all currencies have declined against usd incl aud n yen.
.. aud has not fared better than rm; worse, in fact.
.. aud recovery will have to come from strong demand in commodities incl iron ore which looks unlikely for now.
.. there has been scanty reports of some usd profit taking of late
.. us int rate hike now expected in june but is not a sure thing, may be later
.. "buy on the rumur, sell on the news"?!

if u spend usd regularly, why bother with aud or yen? why not just buy n hold usd?

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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Mar 11 2015, 12:23 AM)
this is always the question - is it too early or too late to do it now?

nobody knows... but we do know:

.. just about all currencies have declined against usd incl aud n yen.
.. aud has not fared better than rm; worse, in fact.
.. aud recovery will have to come from strong demand in commodities incl iron ore which looks unlikely for now.
.. there has been scanty reports of some usd profit taking of late
.. us int rate hike now expected in june but is not a sure thing, may be later
.. "buy on the rumur, sell on the news"?!

if u spend usd regularly, why bother with aud or yen? why not just buy n hold usd?
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Depends on what the spread is.. and seriously, how much are you going to make for all that trouble?

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USD will fly till June at least, then we see what's next. I guess AUD then. Just my 2¢ view. smile.gif
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10 Mar 2015 06:50 UTC - 11 Mar 2015 06:55 UTC
USD/MYR close:3.70295 low:3.68850 high:3.72175

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10 Mar 2015 06:50 UTC - 11 Mar 2015 06:55 UTC
USD/MYR close:3.70295 low:3.68850 high:3.72175
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Anyone got the link to the rumor where the CEO of the edge holding lots of usd right now conspiracy? It's from an unreliable source but the news is written. Link would be appreciated thanks
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Malaysia’s ultra rich who have a net worth of at least US$30 million are increasingly moving their investments, and their families, out of the country, according to the latest report by property firm Knight Frank

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FOREX: Ringgit To Gain Momentum Next Week As Dollar Retreats
http://www.bernama.com/bernama/v8/bu/newsm....php?id=1116910

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so sad to see ringgit keep devalued. I believe those msian who earn sgd are laughing to the bank as always.
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so sad to see ringgit keep devalued. I believe those msian who earn sgd are laughing to the bank as always.
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You earning RM?

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You earning RM?
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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Mar 14 2015, 03:35 PM)
FOREX: Ringgit To Gain Momentum Next Week As Dollar Retreats
http://www.bernama.com/bernama/v8/bu/newsm....php?id=1116910
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every weekend, bernama issue the same statements - bursa will up, rm will up. ok, 50% of the time they will be correct.

early monday, oil price dropping, rm->3.702/usd, -0.4%.

QUOTE(stanzai @ Mar 15 2015, 09:44 AM)
I dont think the current condition will allow that to happen. not in the near future at least.
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u mean they will try to peg or not peg?

so far, there is little evidence bnm has even intervened...
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u mean they will try to peg or not peg?

so far, there is little evidence bnm has even intervened...
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i think it will not peg in near future.

I am just looking at the trend, last peg was done during the reign of Dr.M era which pretty much practice anti west policies and more to the pro east policies.

Looking at the current reigning leader with the "good" relation to the west with all its golfing,etc. I am guessing there should be huge investment done in USD and what not. So dont make sense to me if they going to peg it soon.

I may be wrong, its just based on my observation.

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i think it will not peg in near future.

I am just looking at the trend, last peg was done during the reign of Dr.M era which pretty much practice anti west policies and more to the pro east policies.

Looking at the current reigning leader with the "good" relation to the west with all its golfing,etc. I am guessing there should be huge investment done in USD and what not. So dont make sense to me if they going to peg it soon.

I may be wrong, i dont know.
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i also think they will not peg but let it float.

actually bnm has alluded to that some weeks ago, if not mistaken.

pegging is expensive, will take a lot of resources and may backfire in the end.
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Hi Guys,

I am recording my account but unsure how do I record this transaction:

- Convert RM80,000 in my Ringgit into my USD account
- Conversion Rate RM3.76/USD
- I received USD21276.60 in my USD account.
- There is no currency exchange gain or lost.

How to I record this transaction? what I can think of is:


Riggit Account credit: 80000
USD Account debit: 21276.60

But the issue is it does not seem balance. Can you please help?


Thank you!
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Hi Guys,

I am recording my account but unsure how do I record this transaction:

- Convert RM80,000 in my Ringgit into my USD account
- Conversion Rate RM3.76/USD
- I received USD21276.60 in my USD account.
- There is no currency exchange gain or lost.

How to I record this transaction? what I can think of is:
Riggit Account credit: 80000
USD Account debit: 21276.60

But the issue is it does not seem balance. Can you please help?
Thank you!
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Wah 3.76 bad deal, should go mid valley money changer

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Wah 3.76 bad deal, should go mid valley money changer
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yes, that looks high as bnm rates closing rates today: 3.7035, 3.7065.

likely it's bank deposit, not cash, inclusive of commission, etc...

still, if doing biz n need usd to pay soon, may not be bad.

good read for those interested:

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QUOTE(Seng_Kiat @ Mar 16 2015, 09:13 AM)
Hi Guys,

I am recording my account but unsure how do I record this transaction:

- Convert RM80,000 in my Ringgit into my USD account
- Conversion Rate RM3.76/USD
- I received USD21276.60 in my USD account.
- There is no currency exchange gain or lost.

How to I record this transaction? what I can think of is:
Riggit Account credit: 80000
USD Account debit: 21276.60

But the issue is it does not seem balance. Can you please help?
Thank you!
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You are asking accounting entry ?

Your account is in RM, so for today, you have a forex account (US$) worth RM80k. No gain no loss.

When month end, you translate your US$21k to RM. If more than RM80k, then you have a unrealised forex gain. If less than RM80k, you have a unrealised forex loss. At the time you use the US$, then you have a realised gain or loss
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Ringgit could fall to 3.95 against U.S. dollar by Sept, economist

PETALING JAYA - Macquarie Research expects the ringgit to depreciate further to 3.95 against the dollar by September, before ending the year at RM3.82, boosting exports and trade surplus, said its Asean economist P.K. Basu.

"Malaysia is indeed a net exporter of oil (the only one in East Asia apart from Brunei), but its net exports of oil are small (the value of crude-oil exports being partly offset by imports of refined product). Sluggishness in palm oil and rubber prices, as well as plunging crude oil prices, clearly hurt sentiment toward Malaysia and had a negative impact on the earnings of listed companies in the oil services and plantation sectors," he said in his research note.

Basu said the central bank appears to be comfortable with further ringgit depreciation although the nation's terms of trade have not deteriorated.

"Despite a perceived deterioration in Malaysia's terms of trade (with the decline in crude oil prices and sluggishness in palm oil and rubber prices), the trade surplus has remained large. Exports (in US$) have declined 5% year-on-year in the latest three months (November 2014 till January 2015), but imports have declined an even sharper 6.6% year-on-year, widening the trade balance to a monthly surplus of US$2.83 billion during the latest three months," said Basu.

He said periods of large depreciation of the ringgit have been relatively rare over the past 20 years but when it depreciated 8% to 10% year-on-year, there has typically been a rebound in exports and the trade surplus after about six months.

The biggest depreciation was in 1998, followed by dramatic rebound in exports and trade surplus in 1999 and 2000 while in 2009, ringgit depreciation similarly resulted in an export-led rebound from October 2009 and the 8% depreciation in the year to Januar 2014 bolstered trade surplus in the first half of 2014.

"The recent episode of ringgit depreciation should similarly boost exports by Q2 2015, and allow a widening of the trade surplus in April-September 2015," he said.

During Bank Negara Malaysia's (BNM) briefing on the annual report last week, the deputy governor emphasised the "terms of trade shock" that Malaysia has experienced in the past half year, which he said justified the depreciation of the ringgit, primarily as a means to temper the decline in farm incomes from the decline in export-commodity prices.

"While we recognise the social benefits of offsetting the latter, we note that Malaysia's terms of trade have not actually deteriorated significantly. Not only are Malaysia's exports and imports dominated by non-commodity manufactures (led by electronics), but even the oil terms of trade have not deteriorated significantly," said Basu.

Despite the ringgit being the worst performing currency in Asia this year and the issues surrounding 1MDB, Basu said there is still light beyond the "dark tunnel".

Real gross domestic product (GDP) is expected to decelerate this year to 4.5% growth as private consumption is reined in to 5.4% year-on-year growth, in response to the imposition of the Goods and Services Tax (GST) in April.

"Inflation is 1% year-on-year, and set to rise moderately to about 2.5% year-on-year with the imposition of the GST in Q2 2015. The latter (being a tax on consumption) will boost the savings rate, thus bolstering Malaysia's current account surplus. With inflation much lower than it previously projected, we expect BNM to cut the overnight policy rate (OPR) 25bp in Q2 2015," he said.

Basu expects BNM to cut the OPR at its May 2015 meeting or no later than the July meeting, and to keep it at that level through 2016. Consequently, an investment- and export-led rebound to 6.1% real GDP growth in 2016 can be expected
. - Sundaily

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Ringgit could fall to 3.95 against U.S. dollar by Sept ohmy.gif shocking.gif
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how? u invest or salary in USD blink.gif rclxub.gif
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My income in USD...

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Nice to meet you guys. I've read thru all your responses on this thread. Since you guys are experienced, I'd like to seek for your wise/supportive advice.

I've planned for migration with my family and we want to stay permanently in Chiang Mai, Thailand due to low cost of living there. Hence I've advertised on my property for sell since December last year. My property which has 5 years of locking period term is going to end by the month of July this year. Hopefully we can migrate there before end of this year. But I've heard rumors in fact it has come to the fact that currently, many buyers are having difficulties of getting home loans from banks and investors are 'Pulling Handbrake' due to the upcoming GST on next month.

On top of that, now Ringgit Malaysia drop tremendously against USD and Thai Baht. Let say I manage to sell off my property, settle off my outstanding balance with the current home finance, and assume that the remaining balance which I'll be getting back is (RM) 100K, if I'd like to convert and transfer those money via local bank here to my Thai bank account there, that is going to be pain in the ass and a suicidal case for me! Check this out...

As off today rates, 1 Malaysian Ringgit equals 8.79 Thai Baht.

(RM) 100K = 879494.01 Thai Baht (similar to the value of RM87,000)

Almost (RM) 30K are gone just like that! That's excluded Misc. charges from both sending and receiving banks.

So what should I do? Is there any better way to reduce such lost legally?

Your advice is greatly appreciated.

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QUOTE(Croner @ Mar 20 2015, 12:04 PM)
See  predicted right biggrin.gif
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yr prediction is not right yet, but is concurred by that analyst. other analysts may say different. we'll just have to see.
http://www.theedgemarkets.com/my/article/r...isk-oil-slump-0
http://www.theedgemarkets.com/my/article/u...orld-bank-chief

QUOTE(ikanbilis @ Mar 20 2015, 12:34 PM)
My income in USD...
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today 3.73. from jan 2015, u already got 2.75% increase. enjoy while it lasts.

QUOTE(tommy_thaitanium @ Mar 20 2015, 02:02 PM)
Nice to meet you guys. I've read thru all your responses on this thread. Since you guys are experienced, I'd like to seek for your wise/supportive advice.
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not qualified to advise... but just a comment...
selling off house and moving out for good is a major-major decision.
u should not let exchange rates get into the way.
if i am doing it, i will just do it with a major bank, and move on.
one thing, if u rush to sell yr house, this can be a killer - unless u get lucky, u will need to discount significantly.
if possible, take sufficient time to sell. talking from experience! laugh.gif
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yr prediction is not right yet, but is concurred by that analyst. other analysts may say different. we'll just have to see.
http://www.theedgemarkets.com/my/article/r...isk-oil-slump-0
http://www.theedgemarkets.com/my/article/u...orld-bank-chief
today 3.73. from jan 2015, u already got 2.75% increase. enjoy while it lasts.
not qualified to advise... but just a comment...
selling off house and moving out for good is a major-major decision.
u should not let exchange rates get into the way.
if i am doing it, i will just do it with a major bank, and move on.
one thing, if u rush to sell yr house, this can be a killer - unless u get lucky, u will need to discount significantly.
if possible, take sufficient time to sell. talking from experience! laugh.gif
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if im right you how?

lets bet 100k usd biggrin.gif

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RM4 to the dollar seen

KUALA LUMPUR: The ringgit is expected to weaken to the 4.00-level versus the US dollar in the next six months as investors anticipate a hike in the benchmark US federal funds rate.

The hike may come earlier than anticipated after recent indicators show growth has visibly strengthened in the world’s largest economy.

Johns Hopkins University’s Eni Professor of international economics Michael Plummer said the greenback would continue to be exceptionally strong in the next few months on market anticipation of a rate hike by the US Federal Reserve.

He told StarBizWeek on the sidelines of the 19th Asean Finance Ministers and Central Bank Governors Meetings that should the ringgit weaken towards the 4.00-level, there could be space for Bank Negara to intervene to stabilise the currency.

URL: http://www.thestar.com.my/Business/Busines...seen/?style=biz
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Ringgit could fall to 3.95 against U.S. dollar by Sept ohmy.gif  shocking.gif
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Huh... Source?

Okok.. Saw David post


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Will BNM lock our ringgit against USD like last time ?
Ringgit will fall till 4.00 in May on this rate.
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Will BNM lock our ringgit against USD like last time ?
Ringgit will fall till 4.00 in May on this rate.
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unlikely BNM would do tat blink.gif

Governor Zeti said Malaysia is strong enuf for lower RM hmm.gif

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The Fed and the threat of a global currency war: 5 things you should know..... Published on Mar 20, 2015 - See more at: http://www.straitstimes.com/news/business/...h.GMzNWDia.dpuf
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lets bet 100k usd biggrin.gif
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no, i dare not. biggrin.gif

QUOTE(veron208 @ Mar 21 2015, 10:17 AM)
Will BNM lock our ringgit against USD like last time ?
Ringgit will fall till 4.00 in May on this rate.
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do not think a peg is simple or easy. it is costly n may backfire if not careful.
if it is that easy, russia, brazil, everyone will just peg n be happy.
google n u will find the pros n cons, success n horror stories of pegging in history.

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The Fed and the threat of a global currency war: 5 things you should know..... Published on Mar 20, 2015 - See more at: http://www.straitstimes.com/news/business/...h.GMzNWDia.dpuf
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thanks, good read. always something to learn. wink.gif including this:
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Two main causes coming together: Economies that never sufficiently recovered from the last great financial crisis with consumer and business spending still in the doldrums; and, falling or low inflation, and the risk of deflation, thanks largely to the sharp fall in oil prices since last June.
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Should the Fed hike rates as expected, central banks in Asia face the risk that the outflow of capital - already happening because of the stronger US dollar - will become heavier as investors leave in search of higher returns. In that environment, they may calculate that risks outweigh advantages of lowering borrowing costs.
- See more at: http://www.straitstimes.com/news/business/...a.HvGlO6jK.dpuf


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thanks alot BN supporter and najib.
we all suffer losses thanks to u all~~
greatly appreciate the effort, make our money worth less please~~vote BN!! gogo rclxms.gif
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if someday usd make it to 1 - 4 myr, please help me check if i'm the first predicting lol xD
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Malaysians overreacting to ringgit's fall and 1MDB issues, says economist
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Malaysians overreacting to ringgit's fall and 1MDB issues, says economist
http://www.thestar.com.my/Business/Busines...fall/?style=biz
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"As a foreigner, 1MDB doesn't bother me, it's a small issue and I think the government has plans A, B and C in place, and they will do something about 1MDB," IQI Holdings Chief Economist Shan Saeed told Bernama in an interview.


maybe due to this foreigner's (probably earning usd) comments, rm strengthened to 3.66 today! tongue.gif
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"As a foreigner, 1MDB doesn't bother me, it's a small issue and I think the government has plans A, B and C in place, and they will do something about 1MDB," IQI Holdings Chief Economist Shan Saeed told Bernama in an interview.
maybe due to this foreigner's (probably earning usd) comments, rm strengthened to 3.66 today! tongue.gif
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"As a foreigner, 1MDB doesn't bother me, it's a small issue and I think the government has plans A, B and C in place, and they will do something about 1MDB,"IQI Holdings Chief Economist Shan Saeed told Bernama in an interview.
"The inflation numbers in Malaysia are very much subdued, and are under control due to monetary policy."

any bets that IQI have some contracts with our Najib gahmen?
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Btter be careful abt trsting anyone.
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QUOTE(Seralph @ Mar 25 2015, 12:19 PM)
"As a foreigner, 1MDB doesn't bother me, it's a small issue and I think the government has plans A, B and C in place, and they will do something about 1MDB,"IQI Holdings Chief Economist Shan Saeed told Bernama in an interview.
"The inflation numbers in Malaysia are very much subdued, and are under control due to monetary policy."

any bets that IQI have some contracts with our Najib gahmen?
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Just google and check the company and you will instantly know why he say that. Self proclaimed economist on a ... company.

http://www.iqiglobal.com/.

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The government will not resort to extreme measures such as imposing capital controls or pegging the ringgit, Deputy Finance Minister Datuk Chua Tee Yong told parliament today.

http://www.theedgemarkets.com/my/article/r...ua?type=Markets
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Last time some minister or whoever dude promise ringgit against usd will not reach 3.3 or 3
5 above. Now also claim usd will drop until 3
2 something.

All are games to make buyer has confidence on our currency.

Now 3.72
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KUALA LUMPUR: Bank Negara Malaysia (BNM) governor Tan Sri Dr Zeti Akhtar Aziz was in the media spotlight this week. The press conference following BNM’s release of its 2014 annual report became a spirited question-and-answer session focusing on the depreciating ringgit, said to be linked to falling oil prices and the 1Malaysia Development Bhd (1MDB) controversy.

Grilled by the foreign and local press, Zeti reiterated at the media conference on March 11 that the ringgit was “significantly undervalued” given the country’s steady growth prospects and strong economic fundamentals.

She sought to provide reassurance the economy is not as bad as it is perceived to be, following the fall in oil prices. In fact, at an editor’s briefing a day earlier, Zeti attributed the ringgit’s fall – to RM3.70 to the US dollar – to a perception of economic uncertainty.

“The financial markets really thrive on volatility so they look for opportunities to generate volatility. As an economy, we need these strong fundamentals; so in uncertain times like this, we are able to ride things out,” Zeti said, adding the country has a steady growth path, high international reserves and a developed financial system.

On March 10, the ringgit slid past the 3.70 mark against the greenback, falling lower than most analysts’ predictions. A day after Zeti’s briefing, markets had yet to react positively to the central bank’s reassurance.

The ringgit, which still hovers around the 3.70 mark, has fallen as much as 17.6% against the US dollar since August.

Announcing the country’s Q4 GDP figures in mid-February, Zeti said: “Concerns related to the global growth outlook and the significant decline of oil prices since September 2014 has led to large non-resident portfolio outflows from Malaysia, amounting to US$18.6 bil [RM68.6 bil], which has contributed to some of the adjustment to the ringgit.”

Khoon Goh, senior foreign exchange strategist, Australia and New Zealand Bank (ANZ) in Singapore, agrees with BNM the ringgit is undervalued and that market perceptions are overdone.

“Nonetheless until we see more evidence in the economic data, I think concerns will linger. I totally agree the ringgit is undervalued, if based on economic fundamentals. Even with oil prices where they are, the ringgit has weakened a lot more than fundamentals suggest.

“The reason for this is the negative sentiment of foreign investors. So until we get resolution around these uncertainties, it is very hard for the ringgit to correct to more fundamental values.”

Another uncertainty Goh highlights relates to the shadow cast by 1MDB. He says the lack of transparency and political elements surrounding the issue have not helped the ringgit, especially with the recent announcement that the government’s debt guarantee to the government- owned entity was RM$5.8 bil.

“Until we get a lot more clarity around this issue, I think it will be very hard for markets to ignore 1MDB because the worst-case scenario would be the government will be forced to absorb the entire obligation. This means the debt to the gross domestic product will rise – and it’s already close to its ceiling. That is the general concern of the market.”

Zeti has dismissed an imposition of capital controls and repegging of the ringgit to the dollar. She added there is a need for the flexibility to adjust.

Goh concurs, saying Malaysia does not require desperate measures. “What we have here is a matter of negative offshore-investor perception. If they can overcome these negative perceptions and get a credible resolution to 1MDB, I think we will see the ringgit rally and foreign investors who have been selling Malaysian assets will return.”

He adds the central bank is doing everything to restore confidence in the economy. “I think the growth expectations of the economy are very fair. It is really not its [BNM’s] responsibility to deal with 1MDB. So all it can do is monitor the financial system and ensure it can weather any potential negative shocks.”

Goh predicts Malaysia is likely to be exposed to falling liquefied natural gas (LNG) prices. He says as LNG constitutes 6% of the GDP, the country is expected to be affected by the lower price. LNG prices, he explains, tend to lag behind oil prices by about five months.

- See more at: http://www.theantdaily.com/Main/Ringgit-vi...h.YBY9Xsel.dpuf

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someone mention BNM would "interfere" when RM reach 3.70 (make sure don't go above 3.70) but now already 3.72 blink.gif
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someone mention BNM would "interfere" when RM reach 3.70 (make sure don't go above 3.70) but now already 3.72  blink.gif
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listen to what da man n da woman say - no pegging. no intervention too, i wud think. rm368billion reserves to be used for...??

Explaining the move was not needed, Chua said: "In 1997, the country's reserves was only RM60 billion but now our reserves have increased to RM386 billion.
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Zeti has dismissed an imposition of capital controls and repegging of the ringgit to the dollar. She added there is a need for the flexibility to adjust.


meanwhile consumers will just hv to put up whatever prices incr (or decr) come apr1's weak rm+gst effect. we'll be around.

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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Mar 30 2015, 06:13 PM)
listen to what da man n da woman say - no pegging. no intervention too, i wud think. rm368billion reserves to be used for...??

Explaining the move was not needed, Chua said: "In 1997, the country's reserves was only RM60 billion but now our reserves have increased to RM386 billion.
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Zeti has dismissed an imposition of capital controls and repegging of the ringgit to the dollar. She added there is a need for the flexibility to adjust.


meanwhile consumers will just hv to put up whatever prices incr (or decr) come apr1's weak rm+gst effect. we'll be around.
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Rm386 billion reserbe but on loan rm7 trillion
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QUOTE(Croner @ Mar 30 2015, 09:53 PM)
Rm386 billion reserbe but on loan rm7 trillion
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got source to back that up?  hmm.gif
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DAP alwaY's say Malaysia gonna bankrupt.
actually I think 700b not trillions
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DAP alwaY's say Malaysia gonna bankrupt.
actually I think 700b not trillions
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tat I was thinking... BolehLand will only reach 1Tril mark on 2020.. saw on google sweat.gif
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tat I was thinking... BolehLand will only reach 1Tril mark on 2020.. saw on google  sweat.gif
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anyway nexona88 your profile picture is you?
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hahaha.. NOPE  tongue.gif
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if bernama (dun forget the usual "optimism") has this to say, it's worth watching next week.

rm closed 3.6685 yesterday.
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WEEK AHEAD: Ringgit to trade between 3.63 and 3.70 against dollar

Full article: http://www.malaysia-chronicle.com/index.ph...3#ixzz3WzcGmdJA
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and what is it that we keep hearing this fund, that fund all taking money offshore and not show nice major local investments that bring good pay jobs and wealth right here, strengthen the rm?
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Ringgit drops most since January on EPF property plan
KUALA LUMPUR, April 10 — Malaysia’s ringgit extended losses to drop the most since January after a state pension fund said it’s in talks to buy more property in the UK
- See more at: http://www.themalaymailonline.com/money/ar...h.HYISRk6J.dpuf


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sometimes I wonder why do they even bother buying stuff in UK.
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sometimes I wonder why do they even bother buying stuff in UK.
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maybe if they dun do that, they will hv to buy mas, proton, 1mdb...!!
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maybe if they dun do that, they will hv to buy mas, proton, 1mdb...!!
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better invest in UK & get some profit from it laugh.gif
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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Apr 11 2015, 05:51 PM)
if bernama (dun forget the usual "optimism") has this to say, it's worth watching next week.

rm closed 3.6685 yesterday.
and what is it that we keep hearing this fund, that fund all taking money offshore and not show nice major local investments that bring good pay jobs and wealth right here, strengthen the rm?
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They are smart.. UK property is a pretty good buy now. Office space is like 300gbp per person per month, and that's just table space. say they can fit about 40 people there, so we are talking about 12,000GBP a month. Subtract power and water and cleaning, and it's still a good long-term investment.

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QUOTE(wodenus @ Apr 13 2015, 08:03 PM)
Yea, do you see what I see?
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Hehe may the force be with us n not forcing us. Lol
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if u r not close to 55, it will be difficult to withstand the force of the sith lords. luke skywalkers and obiwans are either too old, dead or incarcerated.

QUOTE(acbc @ Apr 13 2015, 08:23 PM)
3.71 today.
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bernama quoted this last weekend:
WEEK AHEAD: Ringgit to trade between 3.63 and 3.70 against dollar
so, watch out for next bernama forecasts... if it says "3.6x to 3.73", u know it will go below 52 week low of of 3.735.

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if u r not close to 55, it will be difficult to withstand the force of the sith lords. luke skywalkers and obiwans are either too old, dead or incarcerated.
bernama quoted this last weekend:
WEEK AHEAD: Ringgit to trade between 3.63 and 3.70 against dollar
so, watch out for next bernama forecasts... if it says "3.6x to 3.73", u know it will go below 52 week low of of 3.735.
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Been converting my saving since July 14, all out in Nov 14 smile.gif waiting for break 3.80. See u at 4.20
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Malaysia raising $2 billion as worst Asia currency saps reserves
SINGAPORE/KUALA LUMPUR (Apr 14): Malaysia is tapping the U.S. dollar bond market for the first time in four years as it burns through foreign-exchange reserves defending Asia’s worst currency.

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Foreign reserves plunged to $105 billion at the end of March, a $25 billion drawdown from a year earlier and the steepest slide among Asia’s large economies during that period. Its currency has tumbled 15 percent since June as Brent crude fell about 50 percent, with the ringgit closing at its lowest since 2006 last month.

“The sharp decline in foreign exchange reserves started close to December and it was a result of upward pressure in the dollar-ringgit exchange resulting from a sharp decline in oil prices,” said Rohit Arora, an Asia interest rates strategist at Barclays Plc in Singapore. “The central bank might have smoothened the exchange rate volatility, resulting in a decline in reserves.”
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Amid the political noise, foreign ownership of Malaysian local bonds dropped to the lowest since August 2013 in March, data compiled by Bloomberg show, placing further strain on the currency. The government will be hoping to woo back some of those buyers this week.

“I suspect these deals are used to build reserves, but also to continue to meet the interests of investors worldwide,” Jonathan Lemco, a fixed-income money manager and principal at Vanguard Group Inc., the world’s biggest mutual-fund company, said in an April 9 e-mail. “They are opportunities to meet the sovereign’s borrowing needs at attractive rates.”


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Forex interventn needs capitl, so BNM taps ths captal frm its forex hldings, causng the amt of holdings to drop. The lesser holdings we hav, it translates into the poorer we are on the world stage. Wth this low forex holdings, we cant even peg anymore because no more money to defend a peg.

Now turning to issuing bonds in USD to strengthn forx holdngs. I wonder wht will the bonds be rated as, and if there are really takers for the bonds.
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Now turning to issuing bonds in USD to strengthn forx holdngs. I wonder wht will the bonds be rated as, and if there are really takers for the bonds.
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borrow in fx to defend yr own currency against fx... it is ironic, isn't it? hmm.gif

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BNM cannot do anything ah =(
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If forex reseves are strng, thn a central bank is respected and can act effctivly. Othrwise, no.
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borrow in fx to defend yr own currency against fx... it is ironic, isn't it? hmm.gif
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I call it desperation, hence, thecredit ratng will be affected, frther affecting the take-up rate. Letès see.
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The State of the Nation: Ringgit weighed down by ‘psychological fears’
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rm gained over last few days as bnm did not cut opr as speculated. holding at 3.63.

post gst apr 2015, yet to see the effects.

just for the record:
http://www.thesundaily.my/news/1393061
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QUOTE(Hansel @ Apr 14 2015, 11:33 AM)
Forex interventn needs capitl, so BNM taps ths captal frm its forex hldings, causng the amt of holdings to drop. The lesser holdings we hav, it translates into the poorer we are on the world stage. Wth this low forex holdings, we cant even peg anymore because no more money to defend a peg.

Now turning to issuing bonds in USD to strengthn forx holdngs. I wonder wht will the bonds be rated as, and if there are really takers for the bonds.
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why last time we can peg rm3.8=usd1

now cannot?
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why last time we can peg rm3.8=usd1

now cannot?
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What if the rm dropping are controlled by some people?
Sure they don't want to see this to happens.
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why last time we can peg rm3.8=usd1

now cannot?
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pegging is a 2-edge sword. it does not guarantee it is good.

if u peg to say 3.8 to usd, every time someone shows u with rm3.80, u must hv usd1 to change. if u dun hv, u r finished. that can only be done if u hv lots of usd on standby and confident no panic, not too many will change.

google n u will find some horror stories how some pegs did more damage than if they let it float.

more so now with so much global trade. no country can stand on its own, need to trade, need confidence of foreign partners, incl currency.
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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Jan 6 2015, 11:23 PM)
it's not that the banks want it, but market forces demand it. until u put capital controls.

the rm was freely traded overseas before. when the currency attack got underway, the rm was heavily sold overseas.
overseas banks were offering 15-20% int for rm becos they know the result will be the rm will lose 30% value or so when it is done.
thai baht, indon rupiah same result.
i can tell u at that time, some people were carrying bags of rm on the plane to deposit offshore.

actually even now, weak economy countries have int rates >10% like brazil, argentina, nigeria, russia.

u can read more here as to how it happend - credit bubbles, hot money, etc...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1997_Asian_financial_crisis
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Your reply reminds me on negeri MB trying to bring few million out last time.
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why last time we can peg rm3.8=usd1

now cannot?
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Any country has the rights to peg their exchange rate to a fixed value. It will be sustainable if the import/export balance can support it. But even if it is, it drives away lots of foreign investment due to loss of confidence as the currency is not longer traded freely, and the foreigners fear that the local BNM could abuse their peg and make them lose money, so will refrain from investing. Last time when we pegged to RM3.8, similar things have happened. And some foreign investment will pull out, and then demand the peg to be removed before they would even consider investing in Malaysia again.

Not a light decision to be made. But if too much speculations is happening, then BNM could do this again. But don't think it is a good thing to those speculators, because once capital control is in place, it is easy for BNM to observe who has lots of foreign assets and maybe they will consider these as not patrioitic. Small fries will probably escape notice. But rich folks can be observed closely and those deemed to be speculating the ringgit to fall will be badly regarded in the future.



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why last time we can peg rm3.8=usd1

now cannot?
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why don't u ask BNM or Jibby tongue.gif

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QUOTE(Hansel @ Apr 14 2015, 11:33 AM)
Forex interventn needs capitl, so BNM taps ths captal frm its forex hldings, causng the amt of holdings to drop. The lesser holdings we hav, it translates into the poorer we are on the world stage. Wth this low forex holdings, we cant even peg anymore because no more money to defend a peg.

Now turning to issuing bonds in USD to strengthn forx holdngs. I wonder wht will the bonds be rated as, and if there are really takers for the bonds.
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Moody's rates it A3 outlook positive

http://www.thestar.com.my/Business/Busines...otes/?style=biz

http://www.thestar.com.my/Business/Busines...tals/?style=biz

This answer your question? smile.gif

PS. At least now I know who you voted for.. the people that always say what you say (they have been saying that for at least 50 years) and it never turns out to be true smile.gif


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QUOTE(wodenus @ Apr 24 2015, 11:30 PM)
Moody's rates it A3 outlook positive

http://www.thestar.com.my/Business/Busines...otes/?style=biz

http://www.thestar.com.my/Business/Busines...tals/?style=biz

This answer your question? smile.gif

PS. At least now I know who you voted for.. the people that always say what you say (they have been saying that for at least 50 years) and it never turns out to be true smile.gif
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There are three main ratings agencies. I would not trust thm even if all three gave it an AA+ (or the equivalence among the othr two). Moodys said outlook positive. Moodys said the same thing abt Bear Stearns and Lehman Bros one month before they fell, thn immdiatly changed the putlook after that, and the two companies fell.

Fitch said negativ.

I say stay away. No need to comment abt who I votd for for this is business. Diff frm politics.

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QUOTE(Hansel @ Apr 26 2015, 10:24 PM)
There are three main ratings agencies. I would not trust thm even if all three gave it an AA+ (or the equivalence among the othr two). Moodys said outlook positive. Moodys said the same thing abt Bear Stearns and Lehman Bros one month before they fell, thn immdiatly changed the putlook after that, and the two companies fell.

Fitch said negativ.

I say stay away. No need to comment abt who I votd for for this is business. Diff frm politics.
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Those rating agencies are paid by speculators, so if you want Singapore to have DDD also can whistling.gif
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Those rating agencies are paid by speculators, so if you want Singapore to have DDD also can whistling.gif
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Okaylah, we all can say wht we wantd abt the rating agencies. But without proof, thn no case-lah... What that concerns invstors is tht the mrket in general is always forward-looking, and one of the indics used by the market to do this are the ratings called out by these ratings agencies.
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Okaylah, we all can say wht we wantd abt the rating agencies. But without proof, thn no case-lah... What that concerns invstors is tht the mrket in general is always forward-looking, and one of the indics used by the market to do this are the ratings called out by these ratings agencies.
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No speculations = no profit making whistling.gif
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looks like MYR getting stronger hmm.gif
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looks like MYR getting stronger  hmm.gif
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usd been weak... lost to most currencies, incl euro 3-4% last few weeks.

becos weak us economic data provides case for delayed or even no rate hike this yr.

also possible bnm been intervening as mar reserves shows a drop of abt usd6 billion in reserves, we'll hv to see apr figures.
http://www.tradingeconomics.com/malaysia/f...change-reserves
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the graph looks like going down wor....
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the lower the rate, the better.. tat's for currency only icon_rolleyes.gif
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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Apr 29 2015, 01:23 AM)
usd been weak... lost to most currencies, incl euro 3-4% last few weeks.

becos weak us economic data provides case for delayed or even no rate hike this yr.

also possible bnm been intervening as mar reserves shows a drop of abt usd6 billion in reserves, we'll hv to see apr figures.
http://www.tradingeconomics.com/malaysia/f...change-reserves
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u could be right..

weak USD + BNM intervention contribute to stronger MYR rclxms.gif
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u could be right..

weak USD + BNM intervention contribute to stronger MYR  rclxms.gif
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Still weak against SGD, so BNM now are more on kakikong, kakisong whistling.gif
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Still weak against SGD, so BNM now are more on kakikong, kakisong whistling.gif
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cannot be stronger against SGD because we needed those from the Island to spend their money here sweat.gif
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cannot be stronger against SGD because we needed those from the Island to spend their money here  sweat.gif
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Nope, the rightful way is rm1 = SGD2.5.
But again, we have 2 different government to rule the country, 1 is with intention to songlap while another is to build a country whistling.gif
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will it still continue to drop??
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will it still continue to drop??
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Nope, the rightful way is rm1 = SGD2.5.
But again, we have 2 different government to rule the country, 1 is with intention to songlap while another is to build a country whistling.gif
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I rathr follow fundamentals with a small mxture of technical analysis. But thtèsme. Never by speculatng.
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Obviously, most are being speculated shocking.gif
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Economy fall or raise is by speculations basically. Is matter if you are the person that does the speculation or being speculated.
Obviously, most are being speculated shocking.gif
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Ringgit likely to strengthen by 5% against US dollar by year-end, says UBS
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the euro gained 1.4% against the usd in the last 1 hour. biggrin.gif
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i understand.

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Still weak against SGD, so BNM now are more on kakikong, kakisong whistling.gif
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then how much u want?  hmm.gif
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Back to 3.2
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The ringgit doesn't need to be strong against the Singapore dollar because we don't really need to buy anything that originated from Singapore for consumption but the Singapore dollar must always be strong against the ringgit because they need to buy a lot of stuffs from us for consumption.
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Agree
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But once you are a foreign labor in a particular country, you die die hope it will be strong against rm.
On my last 3 months working in Qatar, the weak rm/riyal period I gained about rm300 each month extra.
Not to mention my friend that taking USD salary, he gained extra rm0.50 for every USD changed. He got about USD30000, that's rm15000 extra when he changed to rm back:w
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But once you are a foreign labor in a particular country, you die die hope it will be strong against rm.
On my last 3 months working in Qatar, the weak rm/riyal period I gained about rm300 each month extra.
Not to mention my friend that taking USD salary, he gained extra rm0.50 for every USD changed. He got about USD30000, that's rm15000 extra when he changed to rm back:w
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He never change the USD first, he already worked for 2-3 years there.
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He never change the USD first, he already worked for 2-3 years there.
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Already multi millionair la
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Just got a Toureg last year.
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Not so fast, as he like to live luxury.
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toureg...i drive local only cry.gif
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Toureg full spec are only rm170k in Qatar whistling.gif
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QUOTE(supersound @ Apr 30 2015, 09:11 AM)
But once you are a foreign labor in a particular country, you die die hope it will be strong against rm.
On my last 3 months working in Qatar, the weak rm/riyal period I gained about rm300 each month extra.
Not to mention my friend that taking USD salary, he gained extra rm0.50 for every USD changed. He got about USD30000, that's rm15000 extra when he changed to rm back:w
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if he change back to rm..

he will be risking his money to vaporize...
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if he change back to rm..

he will be risking his money to vaporize...
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If local consumption, nothing much will happen.
So don't simply spread rumors.
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If local consumption, nothing much will happen.
So don't simply spread rumors.
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I bet the price of living there will be better than here..

so, why he would spend all his money here laugh.gif
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I bet the price of living there will be better than here..

so, why he would spend all his money here laugh.gif
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A chemical coffee sold in Qatar is rm17 while in Malaysia is rm16.
His salary is rm30000 now compare to last time of rm9000 when he still in Malaysia.
But again, he is still a Malaysian, so have to come when the time comes.
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3.3->3.5->3.7->3.5->....3.3?

while these gyrations going on, we see prices of daily essentials go up (and gst too).

every biz waves a reason to raise price, incl roti n kopi.

now, if rm does return to 3.3, does anyone see those prices coming down? biggrin.gif

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QUOTE(supersound @ Apr 30 2015, 10:03 AM)
A chemical coffee sold in Qatar is rm17 while in Malaysia is rm16.
His salary is rm30000 now compare to last time of rm9000 when he still in Malaysia.
But again, he is still a Malaysian, so have to come when the time comes.
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can he be my godfather..
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btw,
local safety is also an issue right.. rclxub.gif
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Not so fast, as he like to live luxury.
Just got a Toureg last year.
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How much is Toureg in the Middle East?
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Toureg full spec are only rm170k in Qatar whistling.gif
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can he be my godfather..
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What type of safety/security you are talking about?
I can take out 5000-10000 with people watching behind also feel safe.
My friend that bought his Toureg bring all cash to the dealer laugh.gif

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How much is Toureg in the Middle East?
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3.3->3.5->3.7->3.5->....3.3?

while these gyrations going on, we see prices of daily essentials go up (and gst too).

every biz waves a reason to raise price, incl roti n kopi.

now, if rm does return to 3.3, does anyone see those prices coming down? biggrin.gif
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when price goes up, veli hard to come down.. that's fact we needed to accept cry.gif
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when price goes up, veli hard to come down.. that's fact we needed to accept cry.gif
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part 2:

given oil price in april compared to march, midnight tonite... petrol price will probably go up by 15-20 sen/liter.

u know the rest...
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part 2:

given oil price in april compared to march, midnight tonite... petrol price will probably go up by 15-20 sen/liter.

u know the rest...
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another round of price increase vmad.gif

btw already fill full tank for my car tongue.gif
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part 2:

given oil price in april compared to march, midnight tonite... petrol price will probably go up by 15-20 sen/liter.

u know the rest...
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world crude oil price go up
BUT USD dipped 1.3%...MYR strenghten
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another round of price increase  vmad.gif

btw already fill full tank for my car tongue.gif
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Unlikely as we got 2 bi-election, I guess no price increase for May.
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But once you are a foreign labor in a particular country, you die die hope it will be strong against rm.
On my last 3 months working in Qatar, the weak rm/riyal period I gained about rm300 each month extra.
Not to mention my friend that taking USD salary, he gained extra rm0.50 for every USD changed. He got about USD30000, that's rm15000 extra when he changed to rm back:w
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Another point is if you have quite some invstments in SG, and hold a lot of SGD, thn you would prefer the SGD to continue strenghthenng vs the RM. Stay in MY, but invst in SG.
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Another point is if you have quite some invstments in SG, and hold a lot of SGD, thn you would prefer the SGD to continue strenghthenng vs the RM. Stay in MY, but invst in SG.
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That if you are working in SG, if long term in MY, hard a bit to monitor.
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He never change the USD first, he already worked for 2-3 years there.
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Generally, if one stays and works in a foreign country, the incme he earns from tht country wil be spent (matched) against the purchasing power capability of tht country. And agin, generaly, it will balance off, ie earn more, spend equally more.

A positive difference can ONLY be observd if he earns an income from a stronger exchange country, BUT spends that incme in a weaker exchang country. hmm.gif hmm.gif nod.gif

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That if you are working in SG, if long term in MY, hard a bit to monitor.
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No, supersound,... I hav done the monitoring via long-distance for MANY years. And it works. Donèt talk about SG only, but even faraway countries. The internet has everything.
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world crude oil price go up
BUT USD dipped 1.3%...MYR strenghten
so  tongue.gif
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QUOTE(Hansel @ Apr 30 2015, 02:19 PM)
Generally, if one stays and works in a foreign country, the incme he earns from tht country wil be spent (matched) against the purchasing power capability of tht country. And agin, generaly, it will balance off, ie earn more, spend equally more.

A positive difference can ONLY be observd if he earns an income from a stronger exchange country, BUT spends that incme in a weaker exchang country.  hmm.gif  hmm.gif  nod.gif

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The cost of living is not the same.

I remembered my time live in UK, although wages figure was roughly the same, £1500~2000 for fresh grad, as compared to here Rm1500~2000, the cost of buying foods is not the same with there.

I bought a Tesco bread at 20p, while here need RM1.50, frozen pizza was £1 pound while here need a few RM, whole set of computer about £400, here need RM2000.
The one may be more expensive is room renting, other I found generally is cheaper relatively (without converting).

So, one has better chance to save more at there as compared here as their purchasing power is stronger relatively to their wages.
While work there and saved enough and retired at weaker currency like Malaysia, then Malaysia is like a retirement heaven for them.

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Nope, weak currencies no matter what is not good for us.
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Weak currencies no good no matter what? Then why so many countries try to devalue their currencies in order to boost their economies? Japan and EU are two very good examples.

What good is a strong currency for us if nobody wants our products? If China and India can buy cheaper palm oil from Indonesia, why would they buy from us?


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QUOTE(Hansel @ Apr 30 2015, 02:19 PM)
Generally, if one stays and works in a foreign country, the incme he earns from tht country wil be spent (matched) against the purchasing power capability of tht country. And agin, generaly, it will balance off, ie earn more, spend equally more.

A positive difference can ONLY be observd if he earns an income from a stronger exchange country, BUT spends that incme in a weaker exchang country.  hmm.gif  hmm.gif  nod.gif

I am open to criticisms.
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Assuming rm1=1 riyal
1kg of Salmon whole fish only need rm30-45
1kg of local vege only rm2-4(if getting imported will be rm20-40)
water 1 gallon rm5, 1 family of 5 need 2-3 bottles a day, so rm15, middle east pipe water cannot be used for drinking
meat are relatively cheap, rm10-20 per kg
The spending in Qatar are quite cheap if you cook your self. But once you ask others to cook, it will be more expensive than Malaysia.
Been worked there for 1 year, average about 90% from my salary were unused. Accommodation usually are paid by company including utility bills.

QUOTE(Hansel @ Apr 30 2015, 02:21 PM)
No, supersound,... I hav done the monitoring via long-distance for MANY years. And it works. Donèt talk about SG only, but even faraway countries. The internet has everything.
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Weak currencies no good no matter what? Then why so many countries try to devalue their currencies in order to boost their economies? Japan and EU are two very good examples.

What good is a strong currency for us if nobody wants our products?  If China and India can buy cheaper palm oil from Indonesia, why would they buy from us?
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Japan debt to GDP are at 244%.
EU basically already bankrupt, just that they refuse to declare it. UK allow people to clean dirty money by buying properties.
Both of them do devalue their currencies. So, good or no good whistling.gif
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The cost of living is not the same.

I remembered my time live in UK, although wages figure was roughly the same, £1500~2000 for fresh grad, as compared to here Rm1500~2000, the cost of buying foods is not the same with there.

I bought a Tesco bread at 20p, while here need RM1.50, frozen pizza was £1 pound while here need a few RM, whole set of computer about £400, here need RM2000.
The one may be more expensive is room renting, other I found generally is cheaper relatively (without converting).

So, one has better chance to save more at there as compared here as their purchasing power is stronger relatively to their wages.
While work there and saved enough and retired at weaker currency like Malaysia, then Malaysia is like a retirement heaven for them.
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Hence, like I said, subjected to purchasing power capability. In yr case of being in The UK, you mangd to find a job tht paid well, relativly, so you saw savngs. May not be for othrs of diffrnt skill levls and different jobscopes, espcily so for part-time student workers.

I observd tht the price of the essential goods you mntioned are, if not the same, would be more expensive aftr conversion. Itès just tht your purchasing power is strong that made the big difference.
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QUOTE(supersound @ Apr 30 2015, 03:10 PM)
Japan debt to GDP are at 244%.
EU basically already bankrupt, just that they refuse to declare it. UK allow people to clean dirty money by buying properties.
Both of them do devalue their currencies. So, good or no good whistling.gif
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If Japan was not forced to appreciate its yen by the US in the Plaza Accord, many of their top companies would still be on top of the world, instead of losing to Korean competitors and even China.

That's why when Japan devalues its yen, South Korea also not happy.

South Korean Central Bank Concerned About Yen's Devaluation

Many people like you think strong currency is good because you only think for yourself and not for the whole country.


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If Japan was not forced to appreciate its yen by the US in the Plaza Accord, many of their top companies would still be on top of the world, instead of losing to Korean competitors and even China.

That's why when Japan devalues its yen, South Korea also not happy.

South Korean Central Bank Concerned About Yen's Devaluation

Many people like you think strong currency is good because you only think for yourself and not for the whole country.
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Nope, only countries that reaching bankrupt will devalue their money.
You want this to happen?
If a country is good, their people won't be a foreign labor in other countries.
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QUOTE(supersound @ Apr 30 2015, 04:07 PM)
Assuming rm1=1 riyal
1kg of Salmon whole fish only need rm30-45
1kg of local vege only rm2-4(if getting imported will be rm20-40)
water 1 gallon rm5, 1 family of 5 need 2-3 bottles a day, so rm15, middle east pipe water cannot be used for drinking
meat are relatively cheap, rm10-20 per kg
The spending in Qatar are quite cheap if you cook your self. But once you ask others to cook, it will be more expensive than Malaysia.
Been worked there for 1 year, average about 90% from my salary were unused. Accommodation usually are paid by company including utility bills.


Back agan to the same concept of purchasing power capability, and the fact tht you are a high-earner. Anothr who earns less wil not be able to save.

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Nope, only countries that reaching bankrupt will devalue their money.
You want this to happen?
If a country is good, their people won't be a foreign labor in other countries.
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China before they went on their export driven growth has a strong currency. Before they opened up, they purposely devalued their currency to gain a competitive edge over other exporting nations.

We nearly went bankrupt because of the strong ringgit back in 1997, not weak ringgit. Back in 1997 when the 1USD=RM2.5, our foreign currency reserves was only around USD15 billion. Why? Because of our strong ringgit, many people sent their children to study overseas, borrowed in foreign currencies and bought a lot of imported goods until we have trade deficits.



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QUOTE(MR_alien @ Apr 30 2015, 02:40 PM)
hmm... top end of my estimate 15-20 sen.

oil price rise 10%, rm/usd appr 4%, petrol price still up 10%.

stronger rm doesn't help petrol price then. laugh.gif
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Back agan to the same concept of purchasing power capability, and the fact tht you are a high-earner. Anothr who earns less wil not be able to save.
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Not really, in Malaysia I'm getting rm4000 and my savings are at minimum, about rm2000.
But in Qatar, I'm getting about double, but I use minimum only, as transport and food are paid by company, as long as I'm working.
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QUOTE(supersound @ Apr 30 2015, 04:22 PM)
Nope, only countries that reaching bankrupt will devalue their money.
You want this to happen?
If a country is good, their people won't be a foreign labor in other countries.
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Correcion - only countries tht have reached a high threshold of debt to GDP will want to lower weaken ther currency in order to fuel exports. Fueling exports will effect exporting more than imprtng, hence reducing the trade deficit, and perhaps even initiating a trade surplus.

Wth surplus, mor funds wil come back to the country, and the secnd effect is GDP rises. When GDP rises, the ratio of debt to GDP drops, assuming the country does not increase its debt level further or faster.
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China before they went on their export driven growth has a strong currency. Before they opened up, they purposely devalued their currency to gain a competitive edge over other exporting nations.

We nearly went bankrupt because of the strong ringgit back in 1997, not weak ringgit. Back in 1997 when the 1USD=RM2.5, our foreign currency reserves was only around USD15 billion. Why? Because of our strong ringgit, many people sent their children to study overseas, borrowed in foreign currencies and bought a lot of imported goods until we have trade deficits.
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In 1997, big wan tan mee only need rm2.50, 2015 a big wan tan mee need rm5.50 whistling.gif
Cannot compare like that.
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Correcion - only countries tht have reached a high threshold of debt to GDP will want to lower weaken ther currency in order to fuel exports. Fueling exports will effect exporting more than imprtng, hence reducing the trade deficit, and perhaps even initiating a trade surplus.

Wth surplus, mor funds wil come back to the country, and the secnd effect is GDP rises. When GDP rises, the ratio of debt to GDP drops, assuming the country does not increase its debt level further or faster.
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So, we devalue our currencies, but I never see export increases whistling.gif
But I do see more job cut in Malaysia laugh.gif
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You only need weaker currency when your economy fundamental is poor.

USD, SGD never need a weak currency to drive their economy.

Weak currency is more like poor man tool, no offence.




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if 2019 m'sia bankrupt, so what's the point holding RM? guys just switch ur all saving to SGD or USD. RM is worst than RUPIAH!
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Not really, in Malaysia I'm getting rm4000 and my savings are at minimum, about rm2000.
But in Qatar, I'm getting about double, but I use minimum only, as transport and food are paid by company, as long as I'm working.
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Well, there you go, you don't hav to spend on transport and food in Qatar. That is where the savings come from. In MY, you have to spend on the two.

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In 1997, big wan tan mee only need rm2.50, 2015 a big wan tan mee need rm5.50 whistling.gif
Cannot compare like that.
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Cannot compare like that? If our wan tee mee is still RM2.50 then we would be in really deep shit already by now. You know or not Japan is trying hard to ignite inflation because deflation is far more scary.


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So, we devalue our currencies, but I never see export increases whistling.gif
But I do see more job cut in Malaysia laugh.gif
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No export increases? I guess you must be blind. When our ringgit was strong, we were having trade deficits. Since 1998, we have no trade deficit.

http://www.tradingeconomics.com/embed/?s=m...alance-of-trade
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QUOTE(Artus @ Apr 30 2015, 03:30 PM)
China before they went on their export driven growth has a strong currency. Before they opened up, they purposely devalued their currency to gain a competitive edge over other exporting nations.

We nearly went bankrupt because of the strong ringgit back in 1997, not weak ringgit. Back in 1997 when the 1USD=RM2.5, our foreign currency reserves was only around USD15 billion. Why? Because of our strong ringgit, many people sent their children to study overseas, borrowed in foreign currencies and bought a lot of imported goods until we have trade deficits.
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AFC 97 is not about high currency valuation, but more about unsustainable economy/financial structure.

Just like a person doesn't earn enough (export), but keep on spending (import) more than earn, and keep on borrow more (issued USD denominated bond) to fund the spending.
The imbalance of trade deficit is too steep to be handled.

Using low value currency to compete just means the economy doesn't step up into next level in competing.

We don't see US or Sg intends to lower their currency to compete with others, because they don't need to.

The analogy is like Iphone, vs cheapo phone.
Iphone never will need to lower their pricing to sell their product.

But competitor between cheapo phone needs to lower price to undercut their rival so that they can have better sales, if not they will need to close shop due to poor sales.
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So, we devalue our currencies, but I never see export increases whistling.gif
But I do see more job cut in Malaysia laugh.gif
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Export will increase with lower currency, as the lower currency means your product is cheaper and undercut rival.
People love to buy from you instead rival country.

But this is a poor man tool, as example given in cheapo phone competition, and cannot rely it forever.

As keep on lower your currency, just means your kill your own people purchasing power.
What's for more export but the expense of lower purchase power?

Economy growth supposely is to increase the income of people and purchasing power.

So there must be a balance in between, cannot rely forever using low currency to compete.
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AFC 97 is not about high currency valuation, but more about unsustainable economy/financial structure.

Just like a person doesn't earn enough (export), but keep on spending (import) more than earn, and keep on borrow more (issued USD denominated bond) to fund the spending.
The imbalance of trade deficit is too steep to be handled.

Using low value currency to compete just means the economy doesn't step up into next level in competing.

We don't see US or Sg intends to lower their currency to compete with others, because they don't need to.

The analogy is like Iphone, vs cheapo phone.
Iphone never will need to lower their pricing to sell their product.

But competitor between cheapo phone needs to lower price to undercut their rival so that they can have better sales, if not they will need to close shop due to poor sales.
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US doesn't lower their currency to compete? Please read the Plaza Accord

Singapore doesn't use interest rate policy like the rest of the world. Here's a very good article on why the Singapore dollar is strong.

The Facts Of Life: Singapore’s Monetary Policy And The SGD Exchange Rate

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So, we devalue our currencies, but I never see export increases whistling.gif
But I do see more job cut in Malaysia laugh.gif
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First, we nevr devalued our currencies, we cant help it when our RM dropped due to mkt forces. IN fact, recently, BNM tried to intervene to re-strengthn the RM. But this very action wil deplete our reserves - bad news agan.

After the RM droped, some industries did thrive, eg glove exports, condoms, and many others. But the exports are not substantial enuff to offset our debt problms, due to issues like 1MDB, etc,...

Job vuts only in specifc sectors - no choice.
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No export increases? I guess you must be blind. When our ringgit was strong, we were having trade deficits. Since 1998, we have no trade deficit.

http://www.tradingeconomics.com/embed/?s=m...alance-of-trade
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I have already said : some export sectors did well aftr the RM dropped. Balance-of-trade would fall in our favour.

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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Apr 30 2015, 03:31 PM)
hmm... top end of my estimate 15-20 sen.

oil price rise 10%, rm/usd appr 4%, petrol price still up 10%.

stronger rm doesn't help petrol price then. laugh.gif
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need to add masuk pocket how much..that u didn't include laugh.gif
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US doesn't lower their currency to compete? Please read the Plaza Accord

Singapore doesn't use interest rate policy like the rest of the world. Here's a very good article on why the Singapore dollar is strong.

The Facts Of Life: Singapore’s Monetary Policy And The SGD Exchange Rate
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The Monetary Authority of Sgp (MAS) uses the exchange rate to ctrl inflation. It is a bit technical, but what we need to be concerned with is tht MAS meets twice every year, and most of the time, they will either let the SGD appreciate gradually or hold. Seldom will the MAS want to force the SGD down.

Whn the Sgp gomen gives stimulus, it comes in the form of bank interest rates, not by printing more SGD.

I hav always said - we must always go with a currency tht has a high tendency to appreciate in the long term, not a currency tht is supposedly strong, but can go up or down vs the RM. And I cant see any better currency than the SGD.

Create more jobs for the people - everything else will fall in place after tht. All-in-all, job creation is the key to everything. Ths is what I believe in. If I run the gomen, this is the first thing I will do.
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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Apr 30 2015, 03:31 PM)
hmm... top end of my estimate 15-20 sen.

oil price rise 10%, rm/usd appr 4%, petrol price still up 10%.

stronger rm doesn't help petrol price then. laugh.gif
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Well, there you go, you don't hav to spend on transport and food in Qatar. That is where the savings come from. In MY, you have to spend on the two.
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QUOTE(Artus @ Apr 30 2015, 03:40 PM)
Cannot compare like that? If our wan tee mee is still RM2.50 then we would be in really deep shit already by now. You know or not Japan is trying hard to ignite inflation because deflation is far more scary.
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Not really, that's mean our money never devalue until current situation.
Deflation are not scary, what is scary is some people like you spreading flaws whistling.gif
QUOTE(Artus @ Apr 30 2015, 03:44 PM)
No export increases? I guess you must be blind. When our ringgit was strong, we were having trade deficits. Since 1998, we have no trade deficit.

http://www.tradingeconomics.com/embed/?s=m...alance-of-trade
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Palm oil and rubber price are testing new low.
You may say export are improving, but not our economy, as those money still go back to foreign company's pocket.
I can have USD1 trillion of export products, but only rm10 billion goes to people.
Such number only looks good on paper, but actual people are not getting any benefit from it.
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US doesn't lower their currency to compete? Please read the Plaza Accord

Singapore doesn't use interest rate policy like the rest of the world. Here's a very good article on why the Singapore dollar is strong.

The Facts Of Life: Singapore’s Monetary Policy And The SGD Exchange Rate
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Still poor man tool theory intact.

At that time, US company found it hard to compete against like Sony, Toyota, Panasonic, hence need to low currency to compete.
While there were plenty of political issue involved as well, which needless to talk into it further as get derailed from financial topic.

Fundamentally, there is nothing good or proud about championing with lower currency.
When you constantly and repeating need lower currency to compete, it just means the economy doesn't step up.

Just like cheapo phone vs Iphone example I given.
You can use cheapo phone (lower currency) as start up, kick start, but as time goes, you need to value added making premium phone that people want instead continously relying on people want to buy from you just because you are cheaper. smile.gif

Economy growth is about improve people income and purchasing power, this is the ultimate goal.
Central banks can build up billion or trillion of foreign currency reserves, but people income and purchasing doesn't increase, then the economy growth doesn't yield much meaningful result.
Just like Japan, it has trillion of foreign currency reserves, but economy is stagnant, then the reserves is not much meaningful to its people and economy as a whole.

Same with China, that's why they allow their currency to rise steadily (which they can resist if they wish to, if based on reason of championing low currency) as this is one of the way to improve their people purchasing power and become a stronger economy.
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Deflation are not scary, what is scary is some people like you spreading flaws whistling.gif
Deflation not scary? Better go study economics lah.

Why Deflation Is Worse Than Inflation

QUOTE(supersound @ Apr 30 2015, 04:30 PM)
Palm oil and rubber price are testing new low.
You may say export are improving, but not our economy, as those money still go back to foreign company's pocket.
I can have USD1 trillion of export products, but only rm10 billion goes to people.
Such number only looks good on paper, but actual people are not getting any benefit from it.
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Do you even know what our biggest exports are or not? And you talked as if every factory in Malaysia is owned by foreigners.

No benefit from higher exports? How about having jobs and economic growth?


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Still poor man tool theory intact.

At that time, US company found it hard to compete against like Sony, Toyota, Panasonic, hence need to low currency to compete.
While there were plenty of political issue involved as well, which needless to talk into it further as get derailed from financial topic.

Fundamentally, there is nothing good or proud about championing with lower currency.
When you constantly and repeating need lower currency to compete, it just means the economy doesn't step up.

Just like cheapo phone vs Iphone example I given.
You can use cheapo phone (lower currency) as start up, kick start, but as time goes, you need to value added making premium phone that people want instead continously relying on people want to buy from you just because you are cheaper.  smile.gif

Economy growth is about improve people income and purchasing power, this is the ultimate goal.
Central banks can build up billion or trillion of foreign currency reserves, but people income and purchasing doesn't increase, then the economy growth doesn't yield much meaningful result.
Just like Japan, it has trillion of foreign currency reserves, but economy is stagnant, then the reserves is not much meaningful to its people and economy as a whole.

Same with China, that's why they allow their currency to rise steadily (which they can resist if they wish to, if based on reason of championing low currency) as this is one of the way to improve their people purchasing power and become a stronger economy.
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So you admit that the US also had to rely on weaker currency to compete.

When your competitors are more or less as competitive as you, example: Japan and South Korea, and suddenly your currency goes up 20%. Would that be a problem or not?

If the US dollar appreciates 1000% against other currencies, Apple also have to close shop or move to other countries lah. How many idiots do you think would buy the iphone at RM30,000?

Purchasing power is definitely important, but of more importance is economic growth and jobs. Do you want to have a strong currency but a negative growth rate like Brunei?


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QUOTE(Artus @ Apr 30 2015, 04:53 PM)
So you admit that the US also had to rely on weaker currency to compete.

When your competitors are more or less as competitive as you, example: Japan and South Korea, and suddenly your currency goes up 20%. Would that be a problem or not?

If the US dollar appreciates 1000% against other currencies, Apple also have to close shop or move to other countries lah. How many idiots do you think would buy the iphone at RM30,000?

Purchasing power is definitely important, but of more importance is economic growth and jobs. Do you want to have a strong currency but a negative growth rate like Brunei?
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As I said before, there must be a balance in between, but championing lower currency continously is not something to proud about nor a right direction.

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in other word, it is troubling for gov to say to their people, our currency become lower, hurray, we can do more business... sweat.gif, (it does in certain way, but it just means something is not right prior before devaluation)

You cannot always rely on cheaper currency to compete against rival. We are not talking about appreciation that hurt but constantly using poor man tool aka lower currency to undercut rival.

There is a difference between the currency appreciation hurt your business vs, constantly need to lower currency in order to compete.

Eg.
If USD appreciated 10%, or even 20%, people still buy Iphone
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Your currency do not drop, no business, hence need to lower 10% before can get a business.

Lower currency can be good in term of the kick start of ailing economy (just like 98 onwards), but it is like steroid, which cannot rely on it forever.


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As I said before, there must be a balance in between, but championing lower currency continously is not something to proud about nor a right direction.

or
in other word, it is troubling for gov to say to their people, our currency become lower, hurray, we can do more business... sweat.gif, (it does in certain way, but it just means something is not right prior before devaluation)

You cannot always rely on cheaper currency to compete against rival. We are not talking about appreciation that hurt but constantly using poor man tool aka lower currency to undercut rival.

There is a difference between the currency appreciation hurt your business vs, constantly need to lower currency in order to compete.

Eg.
If USD appreciated 10%, or even 20%, people still buy Iphone
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Your currency do not drop, no business, hence need to lower 10% before can get a business.

Lower currency can be good in term of the kick start of ailing economy (just like 98 onwards), but it is like steroid, which cannot rely on it forever.
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It's a delicate balancing game. We cannot have a very weak currency because inflation may be a big problem. We cannot have a very strong currency because exports would suffer. We have gone through '97 and learned how bad a strong currency could be for us.

Even if the iphone goes up 100% in price, surely still got people buy but I can guarantee you Apple's business would suffer. It's been like this for decades for US large companies such as IBM - strong currency would erode their performance.

If you ask me, it would be better if our economy is 99% local demand, then it doesn't matter how strong our currency would be.


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It's a delicate balancing game. We cannot have a very weak currency because inflation may be a big problem. We cannot have a very strong currency because exports would suffer. We have gone through '97 and learned how bad a strong currency could be for us.

Even if the iphone goes up 100% in price, surely still got people buy but I can guarantee you Apple's business would suffer. It's been like this for decades for US large companies such as IBM - strong currency would erode their performance.

If you ask me, it would be better if our economy is 99% local demand, then it doesn't matter how strong our currency would be.
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Malaysia won't able to have high local demand that absorbing what been produced here, unless people here are high income to start with.
That's why I said, economy is about driving up people income is the ultimate goal which make an economy stronger.

While US economy is more about domestic demand, that's why their economy can be strong.

The best is still a stable currency level, not too strong nor weak.
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QUOTE(Artus @ Apr 30 2015, 04:38 PM)
Deflation not scary? Better go study economics lah.

Why Deflation Is Worse Than Inflation
Do you even know what our biggest exports are or not? And you talked as if every factory in Malaysia is owned by foreigners.

No benefit from higher exports? How about having jobs and economic growth?
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Standing from seller point of view, sure deflation are bad.
But as consumer, deflation is good actually.
Like the price of milk in the world already reduced but Malaysia still selling expensive, they even increase the price, in this case, what Malaysia need is deflation.
I no need to know what we are exporting, I only need to know what people get from that.
Do I getting anything from the high export figures? Nope, nothing. But I do know Indonesia gets about rm 1trillion from Malaysia last year
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Deflation not scary? Better go study economics lah.

[url=http://money.usnews.com/money/blogs/flowchart/2010/07/16/why-deflation-is-worse-than-inflation]
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QUOTE(supersound @ Apr 30 2015, 05:56 PM)
Standing from seller point of view, sure deflation are bad.
But as consumer, deflation is good actually.
Like the price of milk in the world already reduced but Malaysia still selling expensive, they even increase the price, in this case, what Malaysia need is deflation.
I no need to know what we are exporting, I only need to know what people get from that.
Do I getting anything from the high export figures? Nope, nothing. But I do know Indonesia gets about rm 1trillion from Malaysia last year
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deflation...

bad for biz owners
bad for bursa stockholders
bad for property speculators
bad for tax collectors
bad for gomen wastage/songlap

good for small fella with stagnant wages (already stagnant in high inflationary environment)
good for retirees, housewives, civil servants (job salary/pension guaranteed) as prices will drop
good for locals as foreign workers will go home
no change for debt holders

so... good for supersound, good for me. can't say for artus and others. laugh.gif

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Standing from seller point of view, sure deflation are bad.
But as consumer, deflation is good actually.
Like the price of milk in the world already reduced but Malaysia still selling expensive, they even increase the price, in this case, what Malaysia need is deflation.
I no need to know what we are exporting, I only need to know what people get from that.
Do I getting anything from the high export figures? Nope, nothing. But I do know Indonesia gets about rm 1trillion from Malaysia last year
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This is the problem when you don't have facts. Indonesia got 1 trillion from us? What nonsense are you talking about?


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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Apr 30 2015, 06:12 PM)
deflation...

bad for biz owners
bad for stockholders
bad for property speculators
bad for tax collectors
bad for gomen wastage/songlap

good for small fella with stagnant wages (already stagnant in high inflationary environment)
good for retirees, housewives, civil servants (job salary/pension guaranteed) as prices will drop
good for locals as foreign workers will go home
no change for debt holders

so... good for supersound, good for me. can't say for artus and others. laugh.gif
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No job but prices drop good for you or not?


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No job but prices drop good for you or not?
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i m not worried about my job.

that's why i can't say that for u n others.
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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Apr 30 2015, 06:12 PM)
deflation...

bad for biz owners
bad for bursa stockholders
bad for property speculators
bad for tax collectors
bad for gomen wastage/songlap

good for small fella with stagnant wages (already stagnant in high inflationary environment)
good for retirees, housewives, civil servants (job salary/pension guaranteed) as prices will drop
good for locals as foreign workers will go home
no change for debt holders

so... good for supersound, good for me. can't say for artus and others. laugh.gif
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Because those relying on speculations will suffer the most whistling.gif

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This is the problem when you don't have facts. Indonesia got 1 trillion from us? What nonsense are you talking about?
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Legally is USD300billion transacted last year based on money transfer agents.
But, illegal Indonesian workers are a lot, those transactions never been registered.

QUOTE(AVFAN @ Apr 30 2015, 06:21 PM)
i m not worried about my job.

that's why i can't say that for u n others.
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With job or without, that's not an issue.
More important is our personal debt will be reduced.
But reading newspaper today, credit card debt reached rm32 billion this month, banks says just the interest can get about rm4 billion. For this, bank will welcome inflation. But card holders will hope for deflation whistling.gif
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In economics theory, in an inflation, wages shld rise in tandem too with the good economy. In a deflaton, there will be job cuts. Hence, in theory, inflation SHLD BE better than deflation. But not in the real world. sad.gif sad.gif
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QUOTE(Hansel @ Apr 30 2015, 07:07 PM)
In economics theory, in an inflation, wages shld rise in tandem too with the good economy. In a deflaton, there will be job cuts. Hence, in theory, inflation SHLD BE better than deflation. But not in the real world.  sad.gif  sad.gif
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that should happen in an efficient economy. and there are reasons why that does not happen in boland.

it is the prolonged distortions arising from economic policies, gomen intervention, corruption and excessive use of cheap foreign labor that has and will continue to negate it completely.

in other words, nothing will improve with whatever conditions. unless with a total overhaul.

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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Apr 30 2015, 08:16 PM)
that should happen in an efficient economy. and there are reasons why that does not happen in boland.

it is the prolonged distortions arising from economic policies, gomen intervention, corruption and excessive use of cheap foreign labor that has and will continue to negate it completely.

in other words, nothing will improve with whatever conditions. unless with a total overhaul.
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Again, in economics theory, we call it Structural and Fiscal Reforms. But realy,... in bolehland,... it will take lots of bloodshed to do this.

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Legally is USD300billion transacted last year based on money transfer agents.
But, illegal Indonesian workers are a lot, those transactions never been registered.
You know how to count or not?

Indonesian workers in Malaysia remitted almost $1.2 billion back home in 2012

Indonesian workers where got so much money (USD300 billion) to remit home? Talk nonsense lah you.




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You know how to count or not?

Indonesian workers in Malaysia remitted almost $1.2 billion back home in 2012

Indonesian workers where got so much money (USD300 billion) to remit home? Talk nonsense lah you.
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Ringgit declines most since December as U.S. data boost dollar
http://www.theedgemarkets.com/my/article/r...ta-boost-dollar
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Ringgit to hover at 3.60 to 3.70 against US$
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The ringgit is likely to remain weak in the near-term due to the large foreign holdings of fixed income instruments in Malaysia.

An expectation of the US increasing interest rates and the risk of a possible sovereign credit rating downgrade by Fitch Rating, could still come back to haunt the ringgit again

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The ringgit is likely to remain weak in the near-term due to the large foreign holdings of fixed income instruments in Malaysia.


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(May 11): Global holdings of Malaysian government bonds rose to a record in April, taking overseas ownership of the debt to 32 percent.

Foreign investors purchased a net 11 billion ringgit ($3 billion) from a month earlier, the biggest inflow since at least 2006 and bringing the holdings to 168 billion ringgit, according to central bank data. The figure includes both conventional and Islamic sovereign bonds. When corporate notes are taken into account, they bought a total of 2.9 billion ringgit for an overall 216.4 billion ringgit.
http://www.theedgemarkets.com/my/article/g...nds-rise-record

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Malaysia is now a net importer of oil. We import more oil than we export. So dropping oil prices should have been good for our economy," said Datuk Dr Mohamed Ariff, an economics professor from International Centre for Education in Islamic Finance (Incief).

The ringgit's plummeting value is something that is unexplained. I think the ringgit is being undervalued. The Thai baht is still performing stronger than the ringgit despite the political situation in the country," Dr Ariff said.

http://www.theedgemarkets.com/my/article/r...ned-says-expert
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Ringgit depreciation unexplained, says expert

http://www.theedgemarkets.com/my/article/r...ned-says-expert
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Should we throw the experts away and get new ones ? Kakaka ....
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I feel ther is a lot of noise beng created by the mkt. As an invstor, for the RM currency, I wouldn't play if ther is too much noise suroundng it. Othr instrumnts - maybe, for mkt is not perfect.

But too dangerous for invstors like us whn it comes to the RM.
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Ringgit depreciation unexplained, says expert

http://www.theedgemarkets.com/my/article/r...ned-says-expert
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"The only reason I can think of is capital outflow," he said, while ruling out market speculation as a factor.

actually, if this fella is right, bnm would be the first people to know and been seeing it for some time.

the fact that bnm has never said anything about that, how big the amounts, who, when, what methods, increasing or decreasing quantum, legal or illicit leaves much to be desired.

even when int'l watchdogs report m'sia in top 5 every year in global illicit outflows, bnm/gomen keeps mum, basically say "all is good".

so, i guess bnm/gomen assume either we are all too dumb to understand or all very smart, can figure it out.

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Probably.. from 3.70 drop until 3.57 now.. still can't explain smile.gif People can't tell a drop from a rise smile.gif

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actually, if this fella is right, bnm would be the first people to know and been seeing it for some time.

the fact that bnm has never said anything about that, how big the amounts, who, when, what methods, increasing or decreasing quantum, legal or illicit leaves much to be desired.

even when int'l watchdogs report m'sia in top 5 every year in global illicit outflows, bnm/gomen keeps mum, basically say "all is good".

so, i guess bnm/gomen assume either we are all too dumb to understand or all very smart, can figure it out.
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BNM juz "close one eye".. I think got to do with certain people "transferring" money overseas nod.gif
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Probably.. from 3.70 drop until 3.57 now.. still can't explain smile.gif People can't tell a drop from a rise smile.gif
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It only means this guy does not have access to the statistics. People who have the statistics would know why with certainty.
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today noon, usd1=rm3.650/3.653.

light read, but i doubt a peg is in consideration:

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PETALING JAYA: Should the depreciating ringgit once again be pegged to the US dollar (USD)?

Considering its position as one of the worst performing currencies in Asia this year, there is speculation that it would be pegged.

- See more at: http://www.theantdaily.com/Main/Is-it-time...h.VnqFupap.dpuf

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today noon, usd1=rm3.650/3.653.

light read, but i doubt a peg is in consideration:
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Nope, they won't peg, now they are using this to send money out.
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As in like when malaysia's currency drop, their overseas money will not be affected?
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watch inflation post gomen suka tax too:

rm closed 3.666/3.669.

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Malaysia’s inflation accelerates to 1.8% in April
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KUALA LUMPUR (May 29): Malaysia’s April consumer price index (CPI) grows twice as fast as at 1.8% in April compared with barely 0.9% in March, mainly due to the implementation of the goods and services tax (GST).

In a statement today, Bank Negara Malaysia said eleven out of twelve categories of consumer goods and services registered higher rate of inflation in April compared with March.

“These price increases were most evident in the food and non-alcoholic beverages, communication and miscellaneous goods and services categories,” the central bank stated.

The food and non-alcoholic beverages category represent the highest weightage of 30.3% among the twelve other categories in the CPI basket. The category’s inflation growth was 3.15% on-year in April, as compared with 2.27% in March, according Bank Negara today.

On the other hand, communication category’s inflation growth rate was 2.35% last month, in contrast to a retraction of 0.92% in March.

Meanwhile, miscellaneous goods and services category’s inflation topped at 4.08%, highest since January this year.
http://www.theedgemarkets.com/my/article/m...erates-18-april


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gst/inflation + 1mdb + potential fitch downgrade + potential bigger budget deficit = rm down...?

think fx markets today reacting to menteri speech and continued 1mdb saga. rm at 3.70 today to a relatively weaker $.

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KUALA LUMPUR: The rationalisation efforts of 1Malaysia Development Berhad’s (1MDB) assets is a restructuring exercise more than anything else, says second finance minister Ahmad Husni Hanadzlah who has insisted that said efforts are not meant to “save” the controversy-laden strategic development company or the government.
“In our context, the main thing is that we must solve the issue of debt so that the people do not have to worry,” he said in a live interview on national television channel TV1.
In the interview, Husni focused instead on the larger picture, saying that there was a need for the country to resolve the 1MDB debt issue to avoid sparking a negative chain of events.
He opined that Putrajaya’s being forced to take on the RM42 billion debt in addition to next year’s development expenditure of RM52 billion would cause it to fail to meet the targeted Budget 2015 deficit of 3.2 per cent and revert to over 4 per cent instead.
“What will happen? Our ratings will drop. When our ratings drop, our companies borrow from abroad, our currency value will drop like in 1998 then when our ringgit at one point was over RM4. How to pay debts?” was the rhetorical question.
The Malaysian currency dipped in value during the 1997-1998 Asian financial crisis, at one point going over RM4 against the US dollar.
http://www.freemalaysiatoday.com/category/...-restructuring/


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gst/inflation + 1mdb + potential fitch downgrade + potential bigger budget deficit = rm down...?

think fx markets today reacting to menteri speech and continued 1mdb saga. rm at 3.70 today to a relatively weaker $.
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When is the official ann't date of the Actual 2015 Budget Deficit result ?
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actual 2015? that will be when full yr 2105 is known in 2016.

still, can track the actual qtrly results and when/if parliament amends/approves more money for budget deficit.

"plan" budget 2015 deficit is 3.2% gdp. actual, we'll see... was a high 6.7% in 2010.

http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/malaysi...-changed-to-3.2
http://www.tradingeconomics.com/malaysia/government-budget

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Bank Negara may allow orderly depreciation of ringgit
http://www.theedgemarkets.com/my/article/c...ciation-ringgit
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rupiah has overtaken ringgit as the worst performing asian currency for 2015. no prizes, i suppose.

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The rupiah is the worst-performing Asian currency so far this year, dented by corporate demand for the dollar as well as concerns over Indonesia's economic slowdown and its chronic current account deficit.
http://www.theedgemarkets.com/my/article/r...fx-broadly-down


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rupiah has overtaken ringgit as the worst performing asian currency for 2015. no prizes, i suppose.
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jokowi is pushing hard for some economic reform.. I guess it's not working rolleyes.gif
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jokowi is pushing hard for some economic reform.. I guess it's not working  rolleyes.gif
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monumental task for the man.

will take 50 yrs at least.

we know, from here.
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Ringgit all time low vs. SGD  cry.gif
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Ringgit all time low vs. SGD  cry.gif
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I will be going to indonesia n thai soon.


Is this the best time to chg the currency?

Pls advise
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I will be going to indonesia n thai soon.
Is this the best time to chg the currency?

Pls advise
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About rm2000 each
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About rm2000 each
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for that amt, just go change when u need.

will be ok with rupiah, not so good with baht.

today, got worse. usd... 3.720.
check the rest here:
http://www.bnm.gov.my/?tpl=exchangerates
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Rm4 coming.
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Rm4 coming.
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u must hv just read this!

http://www.theedgemarkets.com/my/article/b...15?type=Markets

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Nope I don't read article.
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Breaking news...
1.00 USD = 3.76108 MYR
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Breaking news...
1.00 USD = 3.76108 MYR
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where do u get this?

i had thought the rm is only traded until 5pm? hmm.gif

becos the data stops at 5pm in:
http://www.bloomberg.com/quote/USDMYR:CUR
http://www.bnm.gov.my/?tpl=exchangerates


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where do u get this?

i had thought the rm is only traded until 5pm? hmm.gif

becos the data stops at 5pm in:
http://www.bloomberg.com/quote/USDMYR:CUR
http://www.bnm.gov.my/?tpl=exchangerates
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Yup got it from my bank too..its 3.76 now.
GST effect and 1MDB kicked in yo.
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where do u get this?

i had thought the rm is only traded until 5pm? hmm.gif

becos the data stops at 5pm in:
http://www.bloomberg.com/quote/USDMYR:CUR
http://www.bnm.gov.my/?tpl=exchangerates
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Bro, click tis 1
http://www.xe.com/currencyconverter/conver...From=USD&To=MYR
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Yup got it from my bank too..its 3.76 now.
GST effect and 1MDB kicked in yo.
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Yup got it from my bank too..its 3.76 now.
GST effect and 1MDB kicked in yo.
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This one I think is due to last nights US jobs report which was good, fueling rate hike fears again.
USD rose 1% against almost all currencies at the same time.

GST, 1mdb, inflation, effects, budget deficit, int rate cut.... We will see next quarter.
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USD1.00 = MYR 3.76090 shocking.gif shakehead.gif doh.gif

3.80 is coming very soon... maybe on Monday cry.gif
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USD1.00 = MYR 3.76090  shocking.gif  shakehead.gif  doh.gif

3.80 is coming very soon... maybe on Monday  cry.gif
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now that it has gone to 3.76... 3.80, 4.0 does not seem that impossible, right?

we'll see if bnm will intervene or let it slide with market forces.

xmdb's, gdp growth, inflation, potential int rate cut, trade balance, budget deficit and borrowings for the rest of the year will determine the rm.
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now that it has gone to 3.76... 3.80, 4.0 does not seem that impossible, right?

we'll see if bnm will intervene or let it slide with market forces.

xmdb's, gdp growth, inflation, potential int rate cut, trade balance, budget deficit and borrowings for the rest of the year will determine the rm.
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yes, rm4 now looks possible to achieve cry.gif

but I'm not sure if BNM would intervene, they said something about "gradual currency depreciation" before hmm.gif
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USD1.00 = MYR 3.76090  shocking.gif  shakehead.gif  doh.gif

3.80 is coming very soon... maybe on Monday  cry.gif
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I'll more than happy to see it reached 4.0
So my forex withdrawal USD-RM I'll get more RM 😂😂
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I'll more than happy to see it reached 4.0
So my forex withdrawal USD-RM I'll get more RM 😂😂
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QUOTE(Showtime747 @ Jun 6 2015, 08:02 PM)
Ya, it is broad base. Not only USD. For USD drop I understand. But the drop vs SGD is more than USD over the past week. That's why my "conspiracy theory" is that the business / rich people knew something is happening and taking quick steps to preserve their wealth. When I made my transfer over the last few weeks bit by bit, my bankers are telling me such transactions are getting more and more.

Just that the sudden surge over this week caught me by surprise. I am too slow my RM kena stucked that's why I butthurt  tongue.gif
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a bit more, a bit less... but same trend against all major currencies. remember the early 1990's? at that time, there was so much fdi, hot money that a lot of people thought they were demi-gods - anything they touch - stocks, properties, import/export, manufacturing, retailing - turned into gold.
the ringgit was in demand. usd 2.5, sgd 1.7, aud 1.95, same with yen, pound, renminbi.
http://www.tititudorancea.biz/z/fx_myr_19970306.htm

well, after after 1998, everything changed. today, only currencies of south africa, brazil and the like are weaker. also debt has gone >5 times since.
http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/sidevie...y-2020-pak-sako

we would hope the rm will strengthen, but what will make it strong and in demand again? i find this elusive when i look at debt, budget deficits, exports, oil price. add the continuous wastage, bailouts, certain agendas, productivity, foreign illegals repatriating money, illicit outflows... what probability in the next decade rm will gain over major currencies?

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I like it!! Cheaper to shop and eat out in Malaysia despite GST.

I hope BNM don't intervene.
Cheaper Ringgit is actually good for Malaysia.


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I like it!!  Cheaper to shop and eat out in Malaysia despite GST.

I hope BNM don't intervene.
Cheaper Ringgit is actually good for Malaysia.
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Yes is good indeed but when u gonna travel, ur pocket hurts
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higher exchange rate. Maybe more local trips for them. No oversea trips.. (unfortunately, including Singapore for them).
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Last year was bad already.. this year also bad meh? hmm.gif
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I believe bank Negara will bring back the old RM500 notes soon n later RM1000 notes
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Last year was bad already.. this year also bad meh?  hmm.gif
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Yes.. unfortunately local folks who earn Ringgit will see their purchasing power diminished because they're paying
higher exchange rate.  Maybe more local trips for them. No oversea trips..  (unfortunately, including Singapore for them).
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Yes, very true I agree with you. But this sudden drop is not logically for me. In short term from 3.4 to 3.7 that's a huge difference.
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I know CPI will increase as our import is Huge
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Yes, very true I agree with you. But this sudden drop is not logically for me. In short term from 3.4 to 3.7 that's a huge difference.
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Well, it took approx 4-5 weeks. It's not just the weakening Ringgit but also Oil prices are lowering because of stronger Dollar.
The foreign funds gradually are pulling their money out because of the uncertainty of Malaysia bonds. But, they'll be back if it gets cheap enough.
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I believe bank Negara will bring back the old RM500 notes soon n later RM1000 notes
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Yes, very true I agree with you. But this sudden drop is not logically for me. In short term from 3.4 to 3.7 that's a huge difference.
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it was 3.4 in nov 2014, so 3.4->3.7 took 7 months.

if u look at this 10 yr chart, u see the spikes and ebbs.
in was not so long ago in 2009 when rate was 3.7.
http://www.xe.com/currencycharts/?from=USD&to=MYR&view=10Y

for rm, aug 2014 at 3.15->june 2015 at 3.76 = 20% in 10 months.
http://www.xe.com/currencycharts/?from=USD&to=MYR&view=1Y
during same period, sgd sank 9%, aud 22%. the big reason is commodities like oil and iron ore in poor demand or oversupply. all nations exporting commodities are hammered, incl m'sia n australia. that's on top of a surging usd due to expectations of an int rate hike this year.

natural gas prices tend to lag that of crude oil by a few months, so say the experts. this is probably adding to the rm pressure now:
http://www.straitstimes.com/news/business/...prices-20150605

and this kind of news tells u foreign funds aren't flowing into bursa anytime soon:
http://www.theedgemarkets.com/my/article/k...solidation-mode

of course, many other factors already mentioned.

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Well, it took approx 4-5 weeks. It's not just the weakening Ringgit but also Oil prices are lowering because of stronger Dollar.
The foreign funds gradually are pulling their money out because of the uncertainty of Malaysia bonds. But, they'll be back if it gets cheap enough.
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they will be back but no so soon i believe until 1mdb is resolved
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At the height of the 1997/98 Asian financial crisis, the ringgit hit a high of 4.7125 against the US dollar on Sept 1, 1998
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At the height of the 1997/98 Asian financial crisis, the ringgit hit a high of 4.7125 against the US dollar on Sept 1, 1998
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what a reminder... sweat.gif but yes, things aren't going well for the rm.

one factor, trade balance - maybe due to weekend (and that's why u never buy bursa stocks on a friday tongue.gif ), this hasn't been reported widely yet. we'll probably get more comments tmrw, monday - april trade balance declined to 6.89 vs mar's 7.82 but better than 5.7 expected. question what's it going to be for may and june?
http://www.tradingeconomics.com/malaysia/balance-of-trade

another factor... below is what the brits heard from menteri. so, do follow the 1mdb saga if u think rm fx is impt.
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Malaysia must resolve 1Malaysia Development Berhad's (1MDB) debt issue or risk a negative chain of events, second finance minister Datuk Seri Ahmad Husni Hanadzlah had said on Wednesday.

If the country has to find RM42bn to pay back the troubled company's debt in addition to the budgeted RM52bn of development expenditure for next year, then the fiscal deficit will shoot up to 4% from the target of 3.2%, according to the minister.

The ringgit could fall to Asian crisis levels when the USD/MYR pair had risen above 4.0 and the country could face rating downgrades if the debt issue is not solved, he added.

The Malaysian currency has fallen 1.37% so far this month, adding to the 2.8% loss happened in May.

In April, the unit had made a good reversal, moving off the 6-year low in March, and had hit a 3-month high of 3.5315, but now these gains have been erased almost entirely.

Technically, the USD/MYR pair has strong resistance near the 3.75 area which it failed to break through in March. In 2009 too, the attempt to break above that region failed at 3.7550. So breaking that level will push the ringgit to its lowest since early 2006.

Charts also show that the chances for the ringgit plunging to a nine-year low remain technically strong as long as the USD/MYR pair holds above the 3.65 region.
http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/malaysian-ringgit...aunting-1504560


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At the height of the 1997/98 Asian financial crisis, the ringgit hit a high of 4.7125 against the US dollar on Sept 1, 1998
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pray & hope that history dont repeat itself
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At the height of the 1997/98 Asian financial crisis, the ringgit hit a high of 4.7125 against the US dollar on Sept 1, 1998
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hope don't reach until tat level cry.gif
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The Malaysian ringgit hit a nine-year low against the dollar on Monday after strong US employment data bolstered expectations for an interest rate hike by the Federal Reserve before year-end.

The ringgit hit 3.7510 versus the dollar, its lowest level since February 2006 according to Thomson Reuters data. The ringgit last stood at 3.7500, down about 0.8 percent on the day.
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The Malaysian ringgit hit a nine-year low against the dollar on Monday after strong US employment data bolstered expectations for an interest rate hike by the Federal Reserve before year-end.

The ringgit hit 3.7510 versus the dollar, its lowest level since February 2006 according to Thomson Reuters data. The ringgit last stood at 3.7500, down about 0.8 percent on the day.
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bnm reported 3.7585/3.7615 at 9am:
http://www.bnm.gov.my/?tpl=exchangerates

bloomberg... it hit a low 3.7630, now 3.7618.
http://www.bloomberg.com/quote/USDMYR:CUR
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At the height of the 1997/98 Asian financial crisis, the ringgit hit a high of 4.7125 against the US dollar on Sept 1, 1998
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life has been too dull!!! can't wait when it touches that level. 18yrs after sounds great
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MYR 3.7673 now cry.gif

http://www.bloomberg.com/quote/USDMYR:CUR
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End of the month rm3.80 whistling.gif
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End of the month rm3.80 whistling.gif
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who knows end of the week reach that level  sad.gif
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Be optimistic a bit lar.
With OPEC decided not to reduce output, oil price will test USD50 again, so testing rm3.80 are matter of time, then rm3.90 and rm4 cry.gif
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who knows end of the week reach that level  sad.gif
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no point worrying too much.

nothing u and i can do.

even our powerful politicians and bankers can do nothing but watch now.

better prepare for 4.0 by year end.

this week, better go buy yr fav imported food, imported phones, etc. fast.

i better go change my 4 botak tyres tmrw. biggrin.gif

these prices will go up 10% + GST very soon.
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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Jun 8 2015, 01:45 PM)
no point worrying too much.

nothing u and i can do.

even our powerful politicians and bankers can do nothing but watch now.

better prepare for 4.0 by year end.

this week, better go buy yr fav imported food, imported phones, etc. fast.

i better go change my 4 botak tyres tmrw. biggrin.gif

these prices will go up 10% + GST very soon.
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and buy more stocks of exporters with massive USD revenue brows.gif
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i better go change my 4 botak tyres tmrw. biggrin.gif
these prices will go up 10% + GST very soon.
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U use Continental?

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and buy more stocks of exporters with massive USD revenue brows.gif
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that may be.

but i kinda distrust these local counters - tend to be syndicated, manipulated to favor the big shareholders only...

QUOTE(wil-i-am @ Jun 8 2015, 01:46 PM)
U use Continental?
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current ones are.

actually, where are they imported from?

any other recommendation?
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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Jun 8 2015, 01:45 PM)
no point worrying too much.

nothing u and i can do.

even our powerful politicians and bankers can do nothing but watch now.

better prepare for 4.0 by year end.

this week, better go buy yr fav imported food, imported phones, etc. fast.

i better go change my 4 botak tyres tmrw. biggrin.gif

these prices will go up 10% + GST very soon.
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correct.. import products selling price sure up cry.gif cry.gif
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and buy more stocks of exporters with massive USD revenue brows.gif
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Not all is doom n gloom when MYR hit RM3.80 +/-
I know a lot of money changers is enjoying gud time now
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not forgetting those have USD Income.. happy laughing all the way to the bank tongue.gif
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not forgetting those have USD Income.. happy laughing all the way to the bank  tongue.gif
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for that... yen, sgd, tbh also not bad.

5pm, usd... 3.772. lost 1.4% in 1 day.

no intervention by bank negara?

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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Jun 8 2015, 06:05 PM)
for that... yen, sgd, tbh also not bad.

5pm, usd... 3.772. lost 1.4% in 1 day.

no intervention by bank negara?
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maybe outflow is too big? hmm.gif
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Ringgit slumps to nine-year low as funds exit on Fed rate bets

http://www.theedgemarkets.com/my/article/r...-0?type=Markets
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32% foreigners holding rm denominated bonds, selling.
usd bonds... probably worse, pay more rm for usd interest.
oil prices drop, gas price drop.
exports drop, trade balance drop.
budget deficit will have to incr.
big unknown is legal and illicit outflows.

quite a nightmare, isn't it?
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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Jun 8 2015, 06:05 PM)
for that... yen, sgd, tbh also not bad.

5pm, usd... 3.772. lost 1.4% in 1 day.

no intervention by bank negara?
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BNM still got that interest rate ammo but I don't they want to intervene.
Lower Ringgit is good for the Malaysia (as exporters of manufactured products).
But, unfortunately, Malaysia consumers will suffer more. nod.gif





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no intervention by bank negara?
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Dun think BNM will intervene so early
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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Jun 8 2015, 07:13 PM)
32% foreigners holding rm denominated bonds, selling.
usd bonds... probably worse, pay more rm for usd interest.
oil prices drop, gas price drop.
exports drop, trade balance drop.
budget deficit will have to incr.
big unknown is legal and illicit outflows.

quite a nightmare, isn't it?
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Dun think BNM will intervene so early
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right, i think they will intervene only at next stop, 3.80. the reserves appear untouched yet.

we'll see soon enough.

QUOTE(danmooncake @ Jun 8 2015, 07:30 PM)
BNM still got that interest rate ammo but I don't they want to intervene.
Lower Ringgit is good for the Malaysia (as exporters of manufactured products).
But, unfortunately, Malaysia consumers will suffer more.  nod.gif
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the traditional thinking is weak currency helps exports.
does not work for msia at this time, imo.
problem is rm has been weak for months, and exports are dropping.
gas prices, cpo prices no good. the rest are so-so.
i.e. commodity based and low value exports at a time of a slowdown in mfg powerhouses like china will not do any good.
yet, we keep getting cheap foreign labor for such industries.
if it stays that way for another few years, the 5 mil foreign workers (and millions more citizens not really working) will exert a tremendous strain.
http://www.matrade.gov.my/en/malaysia-expo...thly-trade-2015

the tricky part now is with large sums to be spent on the budget, there will be a need to borrow more, at higher cost.

well, there are thousands of highly paid brains in powerful positions, they should see all that coming and hv solutions ready, right. so, let's relax... biggrin.gif

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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Jun 8 2015, 01:45 PM)
no point worrying too much.

nothing u and i can do.

even our powerful politicians and bankers can do nothing but watch now.

better prepare for 4.0 by year end.

this week, better go buy yr fav imported food, imported phones, etc. fast.

i better go change my 4 botak tyres tmrw. biggrin.gif

these prices will go up 10% + GST very soon.
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I totally agree. Walk into NIKE or ADDIDAS, one will note the tremendous price difference.
Even cosmetic price increase...
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Even cosmetic price increase...
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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Jun 8 2015, 08:41 PM)
well, there are thousands of highly paid brains in powerful positions, they should see all that coming and hv solutions ready, right. so, let's relax... biggrin.gif
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How to relax.. feeling like they're bring all of us to Holland for free trip sad.gif
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QUOTE(danmooncake @ Jun 8 2015, 07:30 PM)
BNM still got that interest rate ammo but I don't they want to intervene.
Lower Ringgit is good for the Malaysia (as exporters of manufactured products).
But, unfortunately, Malaysia consumers will suffer more.  nod.gif
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BNM doesn't have a lot of interest rate ammo at the moment.

Currently BNM OPR 3.5% is one of highest around, to support RM using interest rate, rate needed to be raised, which may kill the economy by doing so (which may already affected by GST domestically and slow down in world economy whereby we say mostly export/import of major trading countries are contracting).

The interest rate ammo BNM have is lowering rate to boost the economy, but with household debt already at elevated level, this is not something desired to be seen by BNM.
Lowering interest rate and let the household debt building up further? May be asking for more trouble only. (like sweet first pain latter)

So BNM interest rate ammo is in quite a conundrum position.

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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Jun 8 2015, 08:41 PM)
right, i think they will intervene only at next stop, 3.80. the reserves appear untouched yet.

we'll see soon enough.
the traditional thinking is weak currency helps exports.
does not work for msia at this time, imo.
problem is rm has been weak for months, and exports are dropping.
gas prices, cpo prices no good. the rest are so-so.
i.e. commodity based and low value exports at a time of a slowdown in mfg powerhouses like china will not do any good.
yet, we keep getting cheap foreign labor for such industries.
if it stays that way for another few years, the 5 mil foreign workers (and millions more citizens not really working) will exert a tremendous strain.
http://www.matrade.gov.my/en/malaysia-expo...thly-trade-2015

the tricky part now is with large sums to be spent on the budget, there will be a need to borrow more, at higher cost.

well, there are thousands of highly paid brains in powerful positions, they should see all that coming and hv solutions ready, right. so, let's relax... biggrin.gif
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I don't think BNM will intervene the market if the RM dropping is in tandem with other currencies.
As this time around, it is more about USD strength, instead of RM weakness alone.

We don't see major rate movement between other major currencies like Aud, Yen etc.
Sgd is always tightly move with USD, so we see significant movement as same as USD.

Currently worldwide trade figure is weak across, not only Malaysia, this is the aftermath effect of lower oil price, commodities price now being seen in the trade figure, so we have dropping export/import figure despite with weaker currency.

There is nothing wrong with foreign workers itself, but gov need to come out a clear policy on hiring, assist corporate to drive up productivity etc. instead of flip flopping policy on foreign workers issue.
Foreign workers are the one make the factories running, driving the export figure.
Even Sg has lot of foreign worker especially Malaysian.

Without foreign workers, many industries will become standstill.
Foreign workers is not equal to low value export, as long as you get the combination right, they are contributing to the productivity as well.
Just like what Sg had done.

Foreign workers shouldn't be the spacegoat, instead we should look back on ourself doing. smile.gif
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current ones are.

actually, where are they imported from?

any other recommendation?
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made in malaysia bro...we export them
our rubber are world class..so those tyre maker chose to make them here...hence the cheap price of the tyre that we're paying
if its imported...it would cost more than RM200/tyre+-
continental is a good choice
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Ringgit edges to 3.80, Bank Negara says weakness temporary
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The strange thing about weakening Ringgit, I thought I would see imported stuff from Malaysia will go down in prices but I haven't seen that yet. For example, no drop in Durians price in Singapore. sad.gif



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The strange thing about weakening Ringgit, I thought I would see imported stuff from Malaysia will go down in prices but I haven't seen that yet.  For example, no drop in Durians price in Singapore.  sad.gif
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really? that's weird hmm.gif should be cheaper lor nod.gif
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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Jun 9 2015, 09:16 AM)
really? that's weird  hmm.gif  should be cheaper lor  nod.gif
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I think middle men pocket the difference. That's why sometimes, better for me to take weekend trip to JB.
I can get more Ringgit from SGD or USD and buy the same stuff cheaper than way.

Father Day in two weeks time, another feast out coming. brows.gif

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QUOTE(MR_alien @ Jun 9 2015, 08:28 AM)
made in malaysia bro...we export them
our rubber are world class..so those tyre maker chose to make them here...hence the cheap price of the tyre that we're paying
if its imported...it would cost more than RM200/tyre+-
continental is a good choice
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ah... thanks for info.
i will check this local-imported thingy.
sometimes, local stuff can cost more!

QUOTE(danmooncake @ Jun 9 2015, 09:14 AM)
The strange thing about weakening Ringgit, I thought I would see imported stuff from Malaysia will go down in prices but I haven't seen that yet.  For example, no drop in Durians price in Singapore.  sad.gif
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very likely the smart exporter sells in sgd! laugh.gif

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QUOTE(danmooncake @ Jun 9 2015, 09:14 AM)
The strange thing about weakening Ringgit, I thought I would see imported stuff from Malaysia will go down in prices but I haven't seen that yet.  For example, no drop in Durians price in Singapore.  sad.gif
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should be cheaper but due to some who are greedy and wan profit more
thn u know lah
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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Jun 9 2015, 09:54 AM)
ah... thanks for info.
i will check this local-imported thingy.
sometimes, local stuff can cost more!
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i've seen those made in japan/made in thailand tyres before...it will be stated on the side of the tyre
it cost double of what we usually paid for
quality should be the same since rubber also came from malaysia anyway
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QUOTE(danmooncake @ Jun 9 2015, 09:22 AM)
I think middle men pocket the difference. That's why sometimes, better for me to take weekend trip to JB.
I can get more Ringgit from SGD or USD and buy the same stuff cheaper than way.

Father Day in two weeks time, another feast out coming.  brows.gif
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yes, I do think those middle men took "extra" profit shakehead.gif
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QUOTE(MR_alien @ Jun 9 2015, 10:01 AM)
i've seen those made in japan/made in thailand tyres before...it will be stated on the side of the tyre
it cost double of what we usually paid for
quality should be the same since rubber also came from malaysia anyway
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u r right, i just checked.

for my car, local continental rm216, bridgestone thailand rm243.
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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Jun 9 2015, 11:14 AM)
u r right, i just checked.

for my car, local continental rm216, bridgestone thailand rm243.
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buy local
i trust local rubber better and its somewhat also newer
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QUOTE(MR_alien @ Jun 9 2015, 11:21 AM)
buy local
i trust local rubber better and its somewhat also newer
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yep, will do continental. been happy with the current ones.
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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Jun 8 2015, 06:05 PM)
for that... yen, sgd, tbh also not bad.

5pm, usd... 3.772. lost 1.4% in 1 day.

no intervention by bank negara?
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There was until Jun 5, then it stopped.. may have started again.
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BNM wil not have sufficient ammo. BNM is unble to print money as and when she likes.
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ECB paper finds that weaker currency does not boost exports
http://www.theedgemarkets.com/my/article/e...ts?type=Markets


could the same logic apply to Malaysia? hmm.gif
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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Jun 9 2015, 09:49 PM)
ECB paper finds that weaker currency does not boost exports
http://www.theedgemarkets.com/my/article/e...ts?type=Markets
could the same logic apply to Malaysia?  hmm.gif
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Europe economy is not export orientated so the effect of weaker currency boosting the export is not significant.
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Europe economy is not export orientated so the effect of weaker currency boosting the export is not significant.
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this article says 32% local currency bonds held by foreigners.
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Malaysia is vulnerable to outflows spurred by higher U.S. interest rates as central bank data show global funds hold 32 percent of the nation’s government bonds, compared with 18 percent for Thailand. Overseas investors sold a net 2.5 billion ringgit ($663 million) of the nation’s shares last month, stock exchange data show.
http://www.theedgemarkets.com/my/article/r...-0?type=Markets


now, this one says 47%, highest of 10 emerging markets. good read article.

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So far, the currency declines have been benign in most of the developing countries. While the average 30 percent drop in emerging-market currencies since early 2011 has failed to boost exports and growth, it helped cut imports and narrow current- account deficits in the economies of Turkey and India among others.

As of April, overseas investors held an average 30.5 percent of local-currency bonds in the 10 largest emerging markets, compared with the all-time high of 31.2 percent in January, according to Credit Suisse Group AG. Malaysia has the highest foreign ownership with 47 percent, followed by 39 percent in Poland and 38.5 percent in Indonesia.

Capital outflows have already started. Investors pulled $577.7 million from U.S. exchange-traded funds that invest in emerging markets last week, the first outflow in almost three months, according to data compiled by Bloomberg.
http://www.theedgemarkets.com/my/article/o...trong-greenback



looks like more pain coming...
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QUOTE(danmooncake @ Jun 8 2015, 07:30 PM)
Lower Ringgit is good for the Malaysia (as exporters of manufactured products).
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2 ministers happily agree with u.
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"The point is why we didn’t think of this earlier, i.e. depreciate our ringgit earlier to get the perceived benefits."
Full article: http://www.malaysia-chronicle.com/index.ph...2#ixzz3ckUYhPzZ


nz cut int rate by 25bps today, nzd lost 2.6% in 1 day.

if bnm cut rate in 2h2015 as forecasted by merrill lynch, we hv an idea what rm will become.

yr nasi lemak will become cheapy cheapo cheap. tongue.gif

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Tumpang thread here guys...hope sifus' here can give me piece of advice...

I'm getting afraid because i'm going to UK for my degree studies this coming September
As looking ringgit dropping from 5.2 early this year up to 5.8 as of today, anyone have any idea or advice to direct me so that i'm spending the less ringgit to UK?

Thanks everyone
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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Jun 11 2015, 06:27 PM)
yr nasi lemak will become cheapy cheapo cheap. tongue.gif
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That's good... I can buy more treats for family members. Can get cheaper grouper dish every weekend from across the straits! thumbup.gif



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QUOTE(nivota @ Jun 11 2015, 07:05 PM)
Tumpang thread here guys...hope sifus' here can give me piece of advice...

I'm getting afraid because i'm going to UK for my degree studies this coming September
As looking ringgit dropping from 5.2 early this year up to 5.8 as of today, anyone have any idea or advice to direct me so that i'm spending the less ringgit to UK?

Thanks everyone
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Unfortunately, that's one of the bad things about rising foreign currencies. Your foreign education also became more expensive and this could be additional hardship for more families. Unfortunately, higher education is not becoming cheaper either.
Even for local people (at foreign countries), they are expensive too and they rise 4-5% every year.

For example, I've figured my kids would need at least $25-$30k USD (for In-State) per year (tuition/room/food) at decent State own University back in US by the time they get to college. 4 years will take up $100K. Out of state/Private can easily double that amount. That's why I am socking away some college fund for them.. just to help along in case.

Back in my college days.. .$10K can kow tiam. I know those days are long gone... cry.gif
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QUOTE(nivota @ Jun 11 2015, 07:05 PM)
Tumpang thread here guys...hope sifus' here can give me piece of advice...

I'm getting afraid because i'm going to UK for my degree studies this coming September
As looking ringgit dropping from 5.2 early this year up to 5.8 as of today, anyone have any idea or advice to direct me so that i'm spending the less ringgit to UK?

Thanks everyone
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hmm.gif with just 2+ months..cannot do much...FOREX can go both ways...
instead of thinking of how to spend less ringgit to UK, in this 2+ months, why not focus of how to spend less and make some pound in UK while you are there.
ex...learn to cook and do some stitch works, learn some basic hair cutting....keep your self more physically fits so that can do some part time work while there...
just a thought...

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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Jun 11 2015, 07:27 PM)
2 ministers happily agree with u.
nz cut int rate by 25bps today, nzd lost 2.6% in 1 day.

if bnm cut rate in 2h2015 as forecasted by merrill lynch, we hv an idea what rm will become.

yr nasi lemak will become cheapy cheapo cheap. tongue.gif
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Somehw I just cant belief tht our local goods will become cheaper after the BNM cuts the OPR by 25bps.
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QUOTE(Hansel @ Jun 11 2015, 09:53 PM)
Somehw I just cant belief tht our local goods will become cheaper after the BNM cuts the OPR by 25bps.
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ah.. sorry about that.

that message was for dan with power foreign money. laugh.gif

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veli lucky those with foreign income esp USD & SGD rclxms.gif
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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Jun 12 2015, 12:08 AM)
veli lucky those with foreign income esp USD & SGD  rclxms.gif
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Indirectly income increase month by month wink.gif
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QUOTE(yck1987 @ Jun 12 2015, 08:28 AM)
Indirectly income increase month by month wink.gif
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yes... rclxms.gif
just don't consider it as permanent income to be budgeted into the expenses....
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QUOTE(yck1987 @ Jun 12 2015, 09:28 AM)
Indirectly income increase month by month wink.gif
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Only applicable for those with assets of, say USD and/or SGD stocks with regular dividends and bond funds with monthly dividends. But then, not really 'fully-lucky', becos many items in Msia have also increased in prices, and GST has been imposed recently, hnce, balancing up the incremental incme.
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QUOTE(MUM @ Jun 12 2015, 09:40 AM)
yes... rclxms.gif
just don't consider it as permanent income to be budgeted into the expenses....
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Why not plese ?
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QUOTE(Hansel @ Jun 12 2015, 08:44 AM)
Why not plese ?
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b'cos the upward movement can be down movement or no movement at all.
thus the gain may not continue...
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QUOTE(Hansel @ Jun 12 2015, 08:42 AM)
Only applicable for those with assets of, say USD and/or SGD stocks with regular dividends and bond funds with monthly dividends. But then, not really 'fully-lucky', becos many items in Msia have also increased in prices, and GST has been imposed recently, hnce, balancing up the incremental incme.
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well tat also valid point hmm.gif
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QUOTE(MUM @ Jun 12 2015, 12:11 PM)
b'cos the upward movement can be down movement or no movement at all.
thus the gain may not continue...
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Agreed for most of the currencies in the world (incl the mighty USD), HOWVER, in my many years of chasng passve income, I have come to realise that the SGD has NEVER failed me. In the long run, it has always been up, up and up against the RM. The MAS has always advocated a gradual appewciation of the SGD.

Nexona, thank you....

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QUOTE(Hansel @ Jun 12 2015, 06:40 PM)
Agreed for most of the currencies in the world (incl the mighty USD), HOWVER, in my many years of chasng passve income, I have come to realise that the SGD has NEVER failed me. In the long run, it has always been up, up and up against the RM. The MAS has always advocated a gradual appewciation of the SGD.
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laugh.gif

true, sg's mas focus on sgd gradual appr against its major trading partners.

today, rm lost 0.44% with usd, sgd lost 0.3%. so, u gain, once again! tongue.gif
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QUOTE(Hansel @ Jun 12 2015, 06:40 PM)
Agreed for most of the currencies in the world (incl the mighty USD), HOWVER, in my many years of chasng passve income, I have come to realise that the SGD has NEVER failed me. In the long run, it has always been up, up and up against the RM. The MAS has always advocated a gradual appewciation of the SGD.

Nexona, thank you....
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hmm.gif anyone got the data for this?
If
"A", placed in RM 1000 in FD with Malaysian bank in year 1985 till 2015 (or 10 years at least)
"B", placed in RM 1000 but converted to SGD and placed in FD with S'pore bank in year 1985 till 2015 (or 10 years at least)
which one got more now?
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QUOTE(T231H @ Jun 12 2015, 08:54 PM)
hmm.gif anyone got the data for this?
If
"A", placed in RM 1000 in FD with Malaysian bank in year 1985 till 2015 (or 10 years at least)
"B", placed in RM 1000 but converted to SGD and placed in FD with S'pore bank in year 1985 till 2015 (or 10 years at least)
which one got more now?
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Singapore Malaysia (3 month FD rates)

1997 3.41% 7.35%
1998 5.17% 8.70%
1999 1.70% 6.45%
2000 1.68% 3.18%
2001 1.70% 3.25%
2002 1.00% 3.27%
2003 0.78% 3.13%
2004 0.40% 2.87%
2005 0.41% 2.80%
2006 0.56% 3.21%
2007 0.57% 3.61%
2008 0.48% 3.56%
2009 0.38% 3.30%
2010 0.22% 2.23%
2011 0.18% 2.94%
2012 0.13% 3.07%
2013 0.14% 3.11%
2014 0.15% 3.11%
2015 0.15% 3.78%

1997 forex RM:SGD 1.00:1.79

1. Put S$1000 in FD renew on maturity from 1997-2015 = S$1208.84

2. Put RM1790 in FD renew on maturity from 1997-2015 = RM3652.44

3. S$1208.84 x 2.78 (2015) = RM3360.57


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Based on the above data, is xuzen correct on Fisher Equilibrium / interest rate parity ?

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QUOTE(Showtime747 @ Jun 13 2015, 01:12 AM)
1. Put S$1000 in FD renew on maturity from 1997-2015 = S$1208.84

2. Put RM1790 in FD renew on maturity from 1997-2015 = RM3652.44

3. S$1208.84 x 2.78 (2015) = RM3360.57
RM wins. Malaysia Boleh. Bercukur ada Barisan Nasional
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differential of 8.7%...

an indication more rm depr towards 3.0 ex rate coming?

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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Jun 13 2015, 02:03 AM)
differential of 8.7%...

an indication more rm depr towards 3.0 ex rate coming?
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Shld b 3.80 rite?
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QUOTE(Showtime747 @ Jun 13 2015, 01:12 AM)
Singapore Malaysia (3 month FD rates)
 
1997     3.41% 7.35%
1998     5.17% 8.70%
1999     1.70% 6.45%
2000     1.68% 3.18%
2001     1.70% 3.25%
2002     1.00% 3.27%
2003     0.78% 3.13%
2004     0.40% 2.87%
2005     0.41% 2.80%
2006     0.56% 3.21%
2007     0.57% 3.61%
2008     0.48% 3.56%
2009     0.38% 3.30%
2010     0.22% 2.23%
2011     0.18% 2.94%
2012     0.13% 3.07%
2013     0.14% 3.11%
2014     0.15% 3.11%
2015     0.15% 3.78%

1997 forex RM:SGD 1.00:1.79

1. Put S$1000 in FD renew on maturity from 1997-2015 = S$1208.84

2. Put RM1790 in FD renew on maturity from 1997-2015 = RM3652.44

3. S$1208.84 x 2.78 (2015) = RM3360.57
RM wins. Malaysia Boleh. Bercukur ada Barisan Nasional
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notworthy.gif thanks for the compiled data....appreciated it very much...it proved/showed some things.
btw, "Bercukur"...??? rclxub.gif

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QUOTE(wil-i-am @ Jun 13 2015, 06:48 AM)
Shld b 3.80 rite?
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it's sgd/rm.

3.00 is not impossible in the next 24 months given all that we know at this time.

if that happens, usd/rm will be 4.0.
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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Jun 13 2015, 02:03 AM)
differential of 8.7%...

an indication more rm depr towards 3.0 ex rate coming?
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If a company has bad financial management, it's P&L will of course deteriorate further. Same as currency. It's a matter of time. But don't know when tongue.gif
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QUOTE(T231H @ Jun 13 2015, 07:38 AM)
notworthy.gif thanks for the compiled data....appreciated it very much...it proved/showed some things.
btw, "Bercukur"...???  rclxub.gif
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It's the /k lingo for bersyukur, being sarcastic tongue.gif

Seriously, personally I don't think it is a conprehensive comparison. It may be true for fixed income investment based on interest rate, like a retiree who live on FD.

But investor may be investing in other vehicle like in stock market too. So, if we compare SGD+SGX vs RM+KLCI, the the winner is different, and in this case SGD will be a clear winner

But for all we know, there will be some politician who "memaslankan" the above calculation and sing praise for RM tomorrow tongue.gif
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QUOTE(Showtime747 @ Jun 13 2015, 01:12 AM)
Singapore Malaysia (3 month FD rates)
 
1997    3.41% 7.35%
1998    5.17% 8.70%
1999    1.70% 6.45%
2000    1.68% 3.18%
2001    1.70% 3.25%
2002    1.00% 3.27%
2003    0.78% 3.13%
2004    0.40% 2.87%
2005    0.41% 2.80%
2006    0.56% 3.21%
2007    0.57% 3.61%
2008    0.48% 3.56%
2009    0.38% 3.30%
2010    0.22% 2.23%
2011    0.18% 2.94%
2012    0.13% 3.07%
2013    0.14% 3.11%
2014    0.15% 3.11%
2015    0.15% 3.78%

1997 forex RM:SGD 1.00:1.79

1. Put S$1000 in FD renew on maturity from 1997-2015 = S$1208.84

2. Put RM1790 in FD renew on maturity from 1997-2015 = RM3652.44

3. S$1208.84 x 2.78 (2015) = RM3360.57
RM wins. Malaysia Boleh. Bercukur ada Barisan Nasional
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Based on my understanding, if nothing changes, then the Fisher Equilibrium states that the forex should move closer to SGD 1.00:RM 3.00 by end of this year.

Hence you may use this as a guide to know how the forex will move and plan ahead. For example, let's say your kid is going to study in SG "A" Level in June 2016 and if you know the average inflation rate of college education, the interest rate of both country, you can plan ahead to check whether it is better to keep RM or SG now.

Information + Knowledge = Better Planning.

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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Jun 13 2015, 09:38 AM)
it's sgd/rm.

3.00 is not impossible in the next 24 months given all that we know at this time.

if that happens, usd/rm will be 4.0.
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If US raise their rate, then USD/RM will reverse the trend. Watch this space.

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QUOTE(xuzen @ Jun 13 2015, 12:10 PM)
If US raise their rate, then USD/RM will reverse the trend. Watch this space.

Xuzen
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why so?

would the usd strengthen all the more?

more will abandon rm for the usd. isnt that how it works?
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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Jun 13 2015, 12:31 PM)
why so?

would the usd strengthen all the more?

more will abandon rm for the usd. isnt that how it works?
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This what I wrote short while ago.

Now, consider when US increase their rate... let's say from zero interest rate to 1%

year 0: USD 1.00 = RM 1.00
year 1: USD 1.01 = RM 1.05
year 2: USD 1.0201 = RM 1.102
year 3: USD 1.0303 = RM 1.157
year 4: USD 1.0406 = RM 1.215

Hence by year 4, only RM 1.169 will be needed to exchange for USD 1.00 as compared to RM 1.215 at zero interest rate. Now you see that when US increase rate, the forex gap will converge as oppose to diverge.

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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Jun 13 2015, 12:31 PM)
why so?

would the usd strengthen all the more?

more will abandon rm for the usd. isnt that how it works?
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If US increase their OPR, the currency will be strengthen for short period of time, it do being some +ve effect, but after certain period, it will go down also. Especially when debt/GDP are high. US basically already bankrupt, that's why they have to use shale oil to gain crude oil market share. Most of their super tankers are fully loaded with ME's crude oil, if they are able to win in this crude oil price war, they will use the storage crude oil to be sold at much more expensive price to cover the hole that being dig after few rounds of QE.
Because US now lose on the price war, that's why they stop increasing OPR and keep on spreading lies that they may will increase OPR soon.
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QUOTE(xuzen @ Jun 13 2015, 12:10 PM)
If US raise their rate, then USD/RM will reverse the trend. Watch this space.

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us raise rate, rm gets stronger?

i doubt it. it may stabilize for a while but will continue to decline (assuming no major changes) until the global markets are assured usa will not raise rates anymore.

at this time, the expectation is usa will raise rates once or twice this year and then another once or twice in 2016.

meanwhile, bnm been leaving the rates unchanged meeting after meeting.

merrill lynch's been expecting bnm to cut rates since last year, but they have been proven wrong so far.

indon, oz, south korea, nz all cut rates in the last 6 months - the currencies dived, off course, each time a cut is made.

cutting int rates makes a currency weaker with another currency but the idea is to spur growth, improve employment and production, trade and budget balances so that the currency is in demand again which then allows int rates to be increased to strengthen the currency further - that's what's going on with usa now. if rates stay low and protracted, and economy does not improve, something will give way eventually - a devaluation plus a massive hike in int rates - like what we saw recently in venezuela or ukraine.

interest rate parity does catch up over time.

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us raise rate, rm gets stronger?

i doubt it. it may stabilize for a while but will continue to decline (assuming no major changes) until the global markets are assured usa will not raise rates anymore.

at this time, the expectation is usa will raise rates once or twice this year and then another once or twice in 2016.

meanwhile, bnm been leaving the rates unchanged meeting after meeting.

merrill lynch's been expecting bnm to cut rates since last year, but they have been proven wrong so far.

indon, oz, south korea, nz all cut rates in the last 6 months - the currencies dived, off course, each time a cut is made.

cutting int rates makes a currency weaker with another currency but the idea is to spur growth, improve employment and production, trade and budget balances so that the currency is in demand again which then allows int rates to be increased to strengthen the currency further - that's what's going on with usa now. if rates stay low and protracted, and economy does not improve, something will give way eventually - a devaluation plus a massive hike in int rates - like what we saw recently in venezuela or ukraine.

interest rate parity does catch up over time.
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So far US already call the wolf is coming since end of last year. And each time they call, rm gets weaker whistling.gif
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us raise rate, rm gets stronger?

i doubt it. it may stabilize for a while but will continue to decline (assuming no major changes) until the global markets are assured usa will not raise rates anymore.

at this time, the expectation is usa will raise rates once or twice this year and then another once or twice in 2016.

meanwhile, bnm been leaving the rates unchanged meeting after meeting.

merrill lynch's been expecting bnm to cut rates since last year, but they have been proven wrong so far.

indon, oz, south korea, nz all cut rates in the last 6 months - the currencies dived, off course, each time a cut is made.

cutting int rates makes a currency weaker with another currency but the idea is to spur growth, improve employment and production, trade and budget balances so that the currency is in demand again which then allows int rates to be increased to strengthen the currency further - that's what's going on with usa now. if rates stay low and protracted, and economy does not improve, something will give way eventually - a devaluation plus a massive hike in int rates - like what we saw recently in venezuela or ukraine.

interest rate parity does catch up over time.
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So far US already call the wolf is coming since end of last year. And each time they call, rm gets weaker whistling.gif
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that is true. big economies can do a lot what small ones cannot. today, only usa, germany and japan can sneeze, others catch a cold.

china and india will rise to the level in time.

small cats can meow, get eaten up by hyenas faster. biggrin.gif
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Weak RM is very good for commodity EXPORT and TOURISM business while reduce local ppls traveling out. Hence, will be more surplus than deficit.

With export and tourism business, more ppls got employment, OT and pay taxes plus spur domestic expenditures.
Spore is not export oriented country like Msia, hence to reduce
their cost and control their inflation, their central bank(MAS)
alwats hike SGD to meet mentioned objective.
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well what I know Singapore people are happy to visit Malaysia & spend their SGD..

Some money changers out of stock for RM in the city-state yawn.gif
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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Jun 13 2015, 04:40 PM)
that is true. big economies can do a lot what small ones cannot. today, only usa, germany and japan can sneeze, others catch a cold.

china and india will rise to the level in time.

small cats can meow, get eaten up by hyenas faster. biggrin.gif
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That's why US try to push for TPA, the president even talk openly that if those small countries(like Malaysia) will suffer the most if don't sign TPA agreement and let China dominate the economy doh.gif
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don't play2 with China yo.. they're spending a lot of $$ in others countries..

India, Vietnam, Indonesia, Laos, cambodia or even Malaysia all they sapu.. all kind of projects flex.gif

even the upcoming HSR projects also might go to China-M'sia JV rolleyes.gif

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That's why US try to push for TPA, the president even talk openly that if those small countries(like Malaysia) will suffer the most if don't sign TPA agreement and let China dominate the economy doh.gif
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no need to doh.gif , u will only get hurt.

"everybody wants to rule the world".

mathir tried to corner the tin market in 1981, lost billions.
http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/malaysi...s-bad-as-najibs

russia's putin may hv tried to corner the gold market in recent years.

saudi is still trying to control crude price, battling shale and getting hurt.



so, u can decide if doh.gif is worth it. laugh.gif
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no need to doh.gif , u will only get hurt.

"everybody wants to rule the world".

mathir tried to corner the tin market in 1981, lost billions.
http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/malaysi...s-bad-as-najibs

russia's putin may hv tried to corner the gold market in recent years.

saudi is still trying to control crude price, battling shale and getting hurt.
so, u can decide if  doh.gif  is worth it. laugh.gif
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Not really, Saudi's only need to spend 1-5 to dig oil out while shale oil need to use 40-50 to produce. That's why Saudi dare to sailang to have oil price of 20 rclxub.gif
But again, at 50, almost all O&G suffers cry.gif
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Not really, Saudi's only need to spend 1-5 to dig oil out while shale oil need to use 40-50 to produce. That's why Saudi dare to sailang to have oil price of 20 rclxub.gif
But again, at 50, almost all O&G suffers cry.gif
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it's good, really. that's what free market capitalism is about - lowest cost producer wins, all consumers win.

let oil get to usd10/bbl!

whoever produces something at lowest cost wins - as long as it last.

f those who want to gouge and rob!

now... u get me upset with unifi. mad.gif


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Oil price is unlikely to goes up as long as USD is strong
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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Jun 13 2015, 07:35 PM)
it's good, really. that's what free market capitalism is about - lowest cost producer wins, all consumers win.

let oil get to usd10/bbl!

whoever produces something at lowest cost wins - as long as it last.

f those who want to gouge and rob!

now... u get me upset with unifi. mad.gif
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yesssss.. hoping for USD10/barrel icon_idea.gif

but Bolehland O&G industry die la cry.gif

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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Jun 13 2015, 07:35 PM)
it's good, really. that's what free market capitalism is about - lowest cost producer wins, all consumers win.

let oil get to usd10/bbl!

whoever produces something at lowest cost wins - as long as it last.

f those who want to gouge and rob!

now... u get me upset with unifi. mad.gif
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But again, with Saudi's way doing now, they are looking for trouble also as once the oil are depleted, they will suffer. But heck, exporting oil products are not their only main source of income, their income will come from Umrah(do correct me if using the wrong term) also. That's the reason why they dare to fight US openly on this matter.

QUOTE(nexona88 @ Jun 13 2015, 08:19 PM)
yesssss.. hoping for USD10/barrel  icon_idea.gif

but Bolehland O&G industry die la  cry.gif
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You only need the oil price stay at USD40 for few months and this can kill Petronas already.
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yesssss.. hoping for USD10/barrel  icon_idea.gif

but Bolehland O&G industry die la  cry.gif
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Usd 10 per barrel.. but najib still charge u rm 1.50 per liter also no use.. haha
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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Jun 13 2015, 07:35 PM)
it's good, really. that's what free market capitalism is about - lowest cost producer wins, all consumers win.

let oil get to usd10/bbl!

whoever produces something at lowest cost wins - as long as it last.

f those who want to gouge and rob!

now... u get me upset with unifi. mad.gif
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Ask yrself back, if crude oil is usd 10 / barrel and you are oil producer, would you want to sell it
at this price or hedge this oil price to your customer ? hmm.gif Be more SMART a bit..
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Hah! Got you... interest rate parity works!

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Don't get too caught up by this interest rate parity thing.

Int Rate Parity


"In recent years the interest rate parity model has shown little proof of working.

In many cases, countries with higher interest rates often experience it's currency appreciate due to higher demands and higher yields and has nothing to do with risk-less arbitrage."


It makes perfect sense and is common practice to raise interest rate when trying to prop up a currency.

Example: From 2008 to 2011, interest rate in Australia was much higher than in USD(dunno exactly how much but rates in Oz has always been high) and AUD strengthened significantly against USD.

Forex market has too many variables going on for it to be simplistically predicted by int rate parity.
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Is it a good time to change most of my foreign currency now? I.e. My sgd... Got few Thousands in hand...
Or just keep monitoring?
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Singapore Malaysia (3 month FD rates)
 
1997    3.41% 7.35%
1998    5.17% 8.70%
1999    1.70% 6.45%
2000    1.68% 3.18%
2001    1.70% 3.25%
2002    1.00% 3.27%
2003    0.78% 3.13%
2004    0.40% 2.87%
2005    0.41% 2.80%
2006    0.56% 3.21%
2007    0.57% 3.61%
2008    0.48% 3.56%
2009    0.38% 3.30%
2010    0.22% 2.23%
2011    0.18% 2.94%
2012    0.13% 3.07%
2013    0.14% 3.11%
2014    0.15% 3.11%
2015    0.15% 3.78%

1997 forex RM:SGD 1.00:1.79

1. Put S$1000 in FD renew on maturity from 1997-2015 = S$1208.84

2. Put RM1790 in FD renew on maturity from 1997-2015 = RM3652.44

3. S$1208.84 x 2.78 (2015) = RM3360.57
RM wins. Malaysia Boleh. Bercukur ada Barisan Nasional
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Hav not counted the above personally, but I wld not doubt the calcultions which said that over a longer period of, as per eg abov, almost 20 years, the RM wld win,... why ? Becos back in the 'earlier yrs', the spread in the SGD-RM exchange rate was not as wide as what we have today. I recalld the SGD startd to 'run further and faster' away from the RM frm around the mid-range of 2000-2010.

I do not invst in only currencies, yes, I do diversify, into SG stocks and north amercan stocks as well. Not forgetig some othr instruments too. I chase passive income, with a strong focus on fixed income and cashflow-generating instrumnts.

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Is it a good time to change most of my foreign currency now? I.e. My sgd... Got few Thousands in hand...
Or just keep monitoring?
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IF it's me, I wld not change back my SGD and USD. I wld go for SGD-based and USD-based investments to generate more SGD and USD. I will only convert back the cashflow that I managd to generate.
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........ Becos back in the 'earlier yrs', the spread in the SGD-RM exchange rate was not as wide as what we have today. I recalld the SGD startd to 'run further and faster' away from the RM frm around the mid-range of 2000-2010. ....
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Is it a good time to change most of my foreign currency now? I.e. My sgd... Got few Thousands in hand...
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hmm.gif in hand = not growing (except MAYBE from exchange rate appreciation)
then read page 21, post 415....
(Remove the "interest rate earned" from SG bank bcos yr money in hand will not hv interest)
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QUOTE(supersound @ Jun 13 2015, 09:22 PM)
But again, with Saudi's way doing now, they are looking for trouble also as once the oil are depleted, they will suffer. But heck, exporting oil products are not their only main source of income, their income will come from Umrah(do correct me if using the wrong term) also. That's the reason why they dare to fight US openly on this matter.
You only need the oil price stay at USD40 for few months and this can kill Petronas already.
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according to news report, Revenue from pilgrims makes 3% of Saudi GDP. some about (USD 16.5 billion) yearly


QUOTE(Bonescythe @ Jun 13 2015, 10:15 PM)
Usd 10 per barrel.. but najib still charge u rm 1.50 per liter also no use.. haha
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how they calculate vmad.gif mad.gif
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Is it a good time to change most of my foreign currency now? I.e. My sgd... Got few Thousands in hand...
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Your few thousand is during which time?
Keep those misleading theory aside, to know your actual gain, you need to know at the price you bought, if you got it at rm2.50 last year, then selling it now at rm2.75 for SGD1000, your gain is 10%.
I have a friend that earning USD in Qatar, last year only rm3.20 and now rm3.75. He just change it back to rm for USD20000, that's rm11000 of gain.
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according to news report, Revenue from pilgrims  makes 3% of Saudi GDP.  some about (USD 16.5 billion) yearly
how they calculate  vmad.gif  mad.gif
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Is still quite a lot. Now they are building world tallest building, so it will become another attraction.
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Is still quite a lot. Now they are building world tallest building, so it will become another attraction.
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yeah, tourist attraction.. anothers source of income sweat.gif
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yeah, tourist attraction.. anothers source of income  sweat.gif
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But as long as rap case high and women cannot drive, it still a setback.
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Is it a good time to change most of my foreign currency now? I.e. My sgd... Got few Thousands in hand...
Or just keep monitoring?
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few thousand sgd in cash...

if u want to buy some imported stuff, not a bad idea now to change to rm, before prices increase.

good time or not, who knows? some blame it on m... so, if m's attacks get stopped somehow, rm will strengthen auto?!


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Asked about the continued decline of ringgit, Ahmad said if the situation continues, prices of imported goods will eventually increase.

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QUOTE(supersound @ Jun 14 2015, 01:01 PM)
Your few thousand is during which time?
Keep those misleading theory aside, to know your actual gain, you need to know at the price you bought, if you got it at rm2.50 last year, then selling it now at rm2.75 for SGD1000, your gain is 10%.
I have a friend that earning USD in Qatar, last year only rm3.20 and now rm3.75. He just change it back to rm for USD20000, that's rm11000 of gain.
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sorry, i did not make it clear that my SGDs earned are frm running a business there...
i have zero expenditures, is mostly dealing with collecting and paying cash (paying out is usually a rare occasion)..
some of u might already know the gist of it already tongue.gif

QUOTE(Hansel @ Jun 14 2015, 03:57 AM)
IF it's me, I wld not change back my SGD and USD. I wld go for SGD-based and USD-based investments to generate more SGD and USD. I will only convert back the cashflow that I managd to generate.
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what kinda investments are u talking about? got some examples i can google on?

QUOTE(T231H @ Jun 14 2015, 09:19 AM)
hmm.gif in hand = not growing (except MAYBE from exchange rate appreciation)
then read page 21, post 415....
(Remove the "interest rate earned" from SG bank bcos yr money in hand will not hv interest)
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and what ure actually suggesting? putting it in a FD?


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sorry, i did not make it clear that my SGDs earned are frm running a business there...
i have zero expenditures, is mostly dealing with collecting and paying cash (paying out is usually a rare occasion)..
some of u might already know the gist of it already  tongue.gif
what kinda investments are u talking about? got some examples i can google on?
and what ure actually suggesting? putting it in a FD?
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So, it means it is "fresh" money every month, right? If yes, then is no difference.
Putting in Malaysia's bank FD will be yielding 3-4% a year. Investing in shares or trust funds are not really a good idea considering current situation. My auntie that used to look for Datuk's money for trust funds also starting to look for relatives to dump money.
Keeping cash in FD still the best way now, as when you need to use the money, your rm1000 still rm1000. But in funds or shares today you put rm1000, on the spot you lose out ~rm100.
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So how MYR performance would be for next week? hmm.gif
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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Jun 14 2015, 08:55 PM)
So how MYR performance would be for next week? hmm.gif
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google and found this
"Strong BUY"...according to this
http://www.investing.com/currencies/sgd-my...cal?period=week

hmm.gif unable to interpret the Technical indicators and summary from it...
"strong buy" means...investors are encouraged to buy SGD or MYR?... rclxub.gif
any idea?

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So how MYR performance would be for next week? hmm.gif
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Test 1USD = rm3.80 and 1SGD = rm2.85 whistling.gif
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google and found this
"Strong BUY"...according to this
http://www.investing.com/currencies/sgd-my...cal?period=week

hmm.gif unable to interpret the Technical indicators and summary from it...
"strong buy" means...investors are encouraged to buy SGD or MYR?... rclxub.gif
any idea?
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woah so "deep" the info blush.gif

I think should be "Strong Buy" on SGD hmm.gif
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Test 1USD = rm3.80 and 1SGD = rm2.85 whistling.gif
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cry.gif for those in MYR Income

and rclxm9.gif for those income in USD & SGD

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QUOTE(supersound @ Jun 14 2015, 04:08 PM)
So, it means it is "fresh" money every month, right? If yes, then is no difference.
Putting in Malaysia's bank FD will be yielding 3-4% a year. Investing in shares or trust funds are not really a good idea considering current situation. My auntie that used to look for Datuk's money for trust funds also starting to look for relatives to dump money.
Keeping cash in FD still the best way now, as when you need to use the money, your rm1000 still rm1000. But in funds or shares today you put rm1000, on the spot you lose out ~rm100.
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not every month but occasional.. its a seasonal and "on-demand" kinda biz... but sure profit.. since operation is online at zero cost (i think u all know what biz d. lol)

investment wise i do personal loans (quite big risk since i do not ask them to sign any papers or sign jpj transfer form) to close ppl so i get few % a month... but i did invest in Kenanga few K recently to support friend.......
my biz requires CASH at bad times (the rare occasion) but i can easily get interest free loans for few months if i suddenly bad cash flow...

thats why im thinking now what to do with my other spare cash... and those foreign currency i have like SGD and HKD which are on the rise...
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QUOTE(yklooi @ Jun 14 2015, 10:12 PM)
google and found this
"Strong BUY"...according to this
http://www.investing.com/currencies/sgd-my...cal?period=week

hmm.gif unable to interpret the Technical indicators and summary from it...
"strong buy" means...investors are encouraged to buy SGD or MYR?... rclxub.gif
any idea?
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Okay - in laymen terms as blow :-

When we 'play' currencies, we look at a pair. Strong Buy on the SGD/MYR pair means this pair will RISE IN VALUE. When the SGD/MYR rises in value, it means 1 SGD CAN BUY MORE MYR, which in turn means the MYR is WEAKENING against the SGD, because the amount of MYR that an SGD can buy increases.

Tech Indicators - 5 different Tech Indicators are used here to predict the turnaround points. Turnaround around points are indicators for taking prfit. Howevr, these pints are not necessarily accurate.

I will not sell, I am not a trder. I accumulate and invst more into the USD and SGD mkts. But that's me,.. and my stregy. Others may be good traders, so they can go in and out.
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QUOTE(Hansel @ Jun 15 2015, 12:25 PM)
Okay - in laymen terms as blow :-

When we 'play' currencies, we look at a pair. Strong Buy on the SGD/MYR pair means this pair will RISE IN VALUE. When the SGD/MYR rises in value, it means 1 SGD CAN BUY MORE MYR, which in turn means the MYR is WEAKENING against the SGD, because the amount of MYR that an SGD can buy increases.

Tech Indicators - 5 different Tech Indicators are used here to predict the turnaround points. Turnaround around points are indicators for taking prfit. Howevr, these pints are not necessarily accurate.

I will not sell, I am not a trder. I accumulate and invst more into the USD and SGD mkts. But that's me,.. and my stregy. Others may be good traders, so they can go in and out.
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hmm.gif so after obtaining the comments...(if assuming want to follow the comments),
one also have to look at the TITLE of the analysis? rclxub.gif
ex,..if "Strong Buy" is recommended, could it mean different things when the title is SGD/MYR and MYR/SGD...
so or the above case,...Strong BUY for SGD/MYR means ...can buy Sing Dollars...right?? notworthy.gif
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QUOTE(yklooi @ Jun 15 2015, 01:34 PM)
hmm.gif so after obtaining the comments...(if assuming want to follow the comments),
one also have to look at the TITLE of the analysis?  rclxub.gif
ex,..if "Strong Buy" is recommended, could it mean different things when the title is SGD/MYR and MYR/SGD...
so or the above case,...Strong BUY for SGD/MYR means ...can buy Sing Dollars...right??  notworthy.gif
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Yes, look at title first. YES, Strong Buy would mean different things between SGD/MYR and MYR/SGD.

If a pair is, say, XXX/YYY, then always look at it as 1 unit of XXX is able buy how many units of YYY. Just carry this visualization in mind.

If it can buy more YYY, then XXX is strengthening OR in other words, YYY is weakening.

If it can buy LESS YYY, then XXX is weakening OR in other words, YYY is strengthening.

In the beginning, this may sound cofusing, but as you practise this mindset movng forward, you will become more familiar with it !

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Yes, look at title first. YES, Strong Buy would mean different things between SGD/MYR and MYR/SGD.

If a pair is, say, XXX/YYY, then always look at it as 1 unit of XXX is able buy how many units of YYY. Just carry this visualization in mind.

If it can buy more YYY, then XXX is strengthening OR in other words, YYY is weakening.

If it can buy LESS YYY, then XXX is weakening OR in other words, YYY is strengthening.

In the beginning, this may sound cofusing, but as you practise this mindset movng forward, you will become more familiar with it !
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rclxms.gif  notworthy.gif will try to play with my mind.... thumbup.gif
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Foreign investors offloaded RM852.7 million last week, says MIDF Research
By Surin Murugiah / theedgemarkets.com  | June 15, 2015 : 11:06 AM MYT  KUALA LUMPUR (June 15):

The heavy foreign selling on Bursa does not seem to be abating, with foreign investors have now been net sellers on Bursa for seven consecutive weeks, according to MIDF Research.

In his weekly fund flow report today, MIDF Research head Zulkifli Hamzah said that for the third week running, the amount offloaded was more than RM850 million a week.

“It has been the longest undisrupted stretch of “intense” selling so far this year.

“Last week, investors classified as “foreign” sold equity listed in the open market on Bursa on a net basis amounting to RM852.7 million,” he said.

Zulkifli said it was only a small let up from the RM926.1 million sold the week before.

He said that for the third week in a row, foreign investors were net sellers every single trading day of the week.

“All in, they had been selling for the past 19 straight trading days.

“As was the case in the preceding week, the amount exceeded the RM200 million mark on Tuesday and Thursday, making it 20 days so far this year that the amount had surpassed the threshold,” he said.

Zulkifli said that in comparison, daily foreign sale exceeded RM200 million on 23 occasions in 2014.

He said that last week’s selldown increased the cumulative net foreign outflow in 2015 to RM7.5 billion, surpassing the RM6.9 billion outflow for the entire 2014.

“We estimate that there is still an overhang of about RM15 billion-RM20 billion of foreign portfolio liquidity on Bursa.

“Foreign shareholding on Bursa should be close to 23%,” he said.

Zulkifli said that foreign participation (daily average gross purchase and sale) declined 16% to a moderate RM846m, the third lowest this year.

He explained that local institutions mopped up RM852.0 million last week but participation rate fell further to RM1.56 billion, the
lowest this year.

“Retailers were hardly in the market, with only RM700,000 change in net position. Participation rate of RM508 million was also the lowest this year,” he said.
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not every month but occasional.. its a seasonal and "on-demand" kinda biz... but sure profit.. since operation is online at zero cost (i think u all know what biz d. lol)

investment wise i do personal loans (quite big risk since i do not ask them to sign any papers or sign jpj transfer form) to close ppl so i get few % a month... but i did invest in Kenanga few K recently to support friend.......
my biz requires CASH at bad times (the rare occasion) but i can easily get interest free loans for few months if i suddenly bad cash flow...

thats why im thinking now what to do with my other spare cash... and those foreign currency i have like SGD and HKD which are on the rise...
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“As with other currencies, the ringgit will face a number of pressures including a strong dollar and higher U.S. rates,” said Mitul Kotecha, head of Asia Pacific foreign-exchange strategy at Barclays Plc in Singapore, who predicts the ringgit will end the year at 3.95. “Given that Malaysia is still the only net oil exporter, any rally in oil prices may alleviate some of the pressure on the currency.”

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1. A weaker currency will help revive exports, as Msia is dependant on commodity and electronic sectors.
2. More homestay/hotels boom up, as present TOURISM occupation/booking level is high.
3. Less local ppls travelling oversea for holiday and less ppls import items, as ppls might feel the pain.
4. More Sporean coming to here to spend more $ and more Msian go to S'pore to work and earn SGD ?

Hence, surplus > deficit .. Rating Agencies will upgrade rating level ?
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1. A weaker currency will help revive exports, as Msia is dependant on commodity and electronic sectors.
2. More homestay/hotels boom up, as present TOURISM occupation/booking level is high.
3. Less local ppls travelling oversea for holiday and less ppls import items, as ppls might feel the pain.
4. More Sporean coming to here to spend more $ and more Msian go to S'pore to work and earn SGD ?

Hence, surplus >  deficit ..  Rating Agencies will upgrade rating level ?
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Well, I wouldn't want to be an individual in the above scenarios. Even if I'm an exporter or hotel operatr, I would still suffer higher prices of goods and services that I spend on in-country.

Sure, Surplus might exceed Deficit after some mths, giving a nice CA Balance and TRade Data, however, the 'surplus funds' wil be used to save 1MDB. Fitch wil soon re-evaluate by end-June,... analysts out there are predicting Downgrade.
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1. A weaker currency will help revive exports, as Msia is dependant on commodity and electronic sectors.
2. More homestay/hotels boom up, as present TOURISM occupation/booking level is high.
3. Less local ppls travelling oversea for holiday and less ppls import items, as ppls might feel the pain.
4. More Sporean coming to here to spend more $ and more Msian go to S'pore to work and earn SGD ?

Hence, surplus >  deficit ..  Rating Agencies will upgrade rating level ?
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less people travelling overseas for holiday? haha

well there's tis group of people who don't care MYR stronger or weak because they have unlimited $$$.. Paris, London, NY is like "balik kampung" only sweat.gif
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Well, I wouldn't want to be an individual in the above scenarios. Even if I'm an exporter or hotel operatr, I would still suffer higher prices of goods and services that I spend on in-country.

Sure, Surplus might exceed Deficit after some mths, giving a nice CA Balance and TRade Data, however, the 'surplus funds' wil be used to save 1MDB. Fitch wil soon re-evaluate by end-June,... analysts out there are predicting Downgrade.
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See the positive side of surplus with weak currency.. Hope NO politic topic, as it is not clear yet at the moment.
Many ppls does not know how to differentiate lost / low cashflow and assets in the present scenarios,
as it was not clarify yet at the moment. They found many "ASSUMPTION' comments in Social Networking/FB..
SPECIAL NOTE:- A Person is Guilty in Social Networking unless proven innocent in court? doh.gif

Not only Fitch, but SnP and Moody rating agencies too will upgrade rating grade? As surplus > deficit , right?

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See the positive side of surplus with weak currency.. Hope NO politic topic, as it is not clear yet at the moment.
Many ppls does not know how to differentiate lost / low cashflow and assets in the present scenarios,
as it was not clarify yet at the moment. They found many "ASSUMPTION' comments in Social Networking/FB..
SPECIAL NOTE:-  A Person is Guilty in Social Networking unless proven innocent in court?  doh.gif

Not only Fitch, but SnP and Moody rating agencies too will upgrade rating grade? As surplus > deficit , right?
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I am not depending on 'ASSUMTION' comments. I do my own research and analyes. And I commnt based on what I have done m hoework on. Furthermore, my comments are also based on what I have experienced earlier in my invstments, or are currently investing on and holding onto. Hence, these are real-life happenngs.

Don't wish to comment abt being guilty or not when putting fwd opinons in Social Media tools.

Ratings agency reviews,... see below :-

Fitch Ratings said in March that there’s more than a 50 percent chance it will downgrade Malaysia’s A- credit rating at a review due before the end of June. The company cited falling energy prices, pressure on the current account and state investment company 1Malaysia Development Bhd.’s debt as factors.

Above extracted from : http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/201...mism-not-shared

We'll see whn the review comes along, whether dropped to a lower rating from ct rating or elevatd. SnP and Moody's are not due for rating rebiew till later in the yr.

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I am not depending on 'ASSUMTION' comments. I do my own research and analyes. And I commnt based on what I have done m hoework on. Furthermore, my comments are also based on what I have experienced earlier in my invstments, or are currently investing on and holding onto. Hence, these are real-life happenngs.

Don't wish to comment abt being guilty or not when putting fwd opinons in Social Media tools.

Ratings agency reviews,... see below :-

Fitch Ratings said in March that there’s more than a 50 percent chance it will downgrade Malaysia’s A- credit rating at a review due before the end of June. The company cited falling energy prices, pressure on the current account and state investment company 1Malaysia Development Bhd.’s debt as factors.

Above extracted from : http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/201...mism-not-shared

We'll see whn the review comes along, whether dropped to a lower rating from ct rating or elevatd. SnP and Moody's are not due for rating rebiew till later in the yr.
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Fitch did not talk anything about surplus from Tourism, export of commodities and electronic sectors from weak currency that also contributing a lot % in country GDP.
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Fitch did not talk anything about surplus from Tourism, export of commodities and electronic sectors from weak currency that also contributing a lot % in country GDP.
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Fitch did not talk anything about surplus from Tourism, export of commodities and electronic sectors from weak currency that also contributing a lot % in country GDP.
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The data or state of trade and current account surplus/deficit already tell all the story.

GDP for 2nd Q is highly to be weak, poor consumer sentiment, poor sales recorded in most company (can be seen on many listed company turnover), as well as both import and export figure shrinking.


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Wehave a divergnce here:-

For a possible UP-RATNG from Fitch, the following factors can be considred :-

Surplus from Tourism, export of commodities and electronic sectors from weak currency that also contributing a lot % in country GDP.

And for a possible DOWN-RATING frm Fitch, the following factors accordingly :-

GDP for 2nd Q is highly to be weak, poor consumer sentiment, poor sales recorded in most company (can be seen on many listed company turnover), as well as both import and export figure shrinking.

Fitch has a forward-looking policy, hence wht happens in future wil also be takn into account. Lets see.

Hoping all forummers here can help to keep track on the result from Fitch too. Lets see how this ratng moves the RM vs the SGD and the USD.

As I write this now, the RM remains the same and is rangebound against the SGD and the USD compared to yesterday.
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QUOTE(Hansel @ Jun 17 2015, 10:52 AM)
Wehave a divergnce here:-

For a possible UP-RATNG from Fitch, the following factors can be considred :-

Surplus from Tourism, export of commodities and electronic sectors from weak currency that also contributing a lot % in country GDP.

And for a possible DOWN-RATING frm Fitch, the following factors accordingly :-

GDP for 2nd Q is highly to be weak, poor consumer sentiment, poor sales recorded in most company (can be seen on many listed company turnover), as well as both import and export figure shrinking.

Fitch has a forward-looking policy, hence wht happens in future wil also be takn into account. Lets see.

Hoping all forummers here can help to keep track on the result from Fitch too. Lets see how this ratng moves the RM vs the SGD and the USD.

As I write this now, the RM remains the same and is rangebound against the SGD and the USD compared to yesterday.
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Financial market (be it currency, stock market, bonds) is a forward looking mechanism.
It won't wait until the news come out, only it start to move.

It moves way ahead on anticipation of events.

The RM movement to the downside recent is more and less taking cue of potential downgrade and other negative factor already, aka forward looking mechanism.
That's why we see weak RM currently.

Weak currency won't able to boost certain export product, eg. oil.
As oil is traded in USD, Malaysia export oil won't be cheaper than other even though RM plunge to RM4.00 vs USD.
Just oil export company may gain extra profit if they converted the USD into RM.
While if they don't convert back to RM and the profit made in USD needed to repay borrowing in USD or funding capital expenditure etc, the weak RM has no effect on this scenario.

Malaysia economy is not the like 80's or 90's, whereby export industry was the major GDP contributor at that time.
Now, domestic consumption starts to grow quite significantly over the last decade and becoming one of major GDP contributor.
Hence if RM is too weak, it can hurt domestic consumption.

There is a limit that a weak currency can propel the export. As if this theory is right, Zimbabwe should be doing extremely well in export.

So the balance must get it right. Too strong, not good, too weak, also not good.
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QUOTE(Hansel @ Jun 17 2015, 10:52 AM)
Wehave a divergnce here:-

For a possible UP-RATNG from Fitch, the following factors can be considred :-

Surplus from Tourism, export of commodities and electronic sectors from weak currency that also contributing a lot % in country GDP.

And for a possible DOWN-RATING frm Fitch, the following factors accordingly :-

GDP for 2nd Q is highly to be weak, poor consumer sentiment, poor sales recorded in most company (can be seen on many listed company turnover), as well as both import and export figure shrinking.

Fitch has a forward-looking policy, hence wht happens in future wil also be takn into account. Lets see.

Hoping all forummers here can help to keep track on the result from Fitch too. Lets see how this ratng moves the RM vs the SGD and the USD.

As I write this now, the RM remains the same and is rangebound against the SGD and the USD compared to yesterday.
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Fitch is the smallest among the credit rating agencies.. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Three_(cr...ating_agencies)
What if Fitch downgrade while the other two maintain present rating.. No big impact .. minus a grade ( Marginal ) by Fitch
while another 2x big brothers holds it.

Normally, these figures understate the dominance of Moody's and S&P, since the norm for debt issuers is to obtain ratings from these two, and only occasionally turn to Fitch, for example if Moody's and S&P disagree ONLY. Fitch is plays certain role.
And not Very important role.

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2 things that will impact the rm in the coming weeks/months:

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Separately, Fed officials maintained their forecast that the benchmark interest rate would rise to 0.625 percent this year, and lowered their projection for next year.
The median estimate for 2015 implies two quarter-point increases. Next year, they expect the rate to climb to 1.625 percent, lower than a March forecast of 1.875 percent.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/201...-2015-rate-rise

Bank Negara named Dr M as one of 3 reasons for ringgit slump, says Ahmad Maslan
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1 : 3.7135

I'm waiting for it to hit 3.68 if possible.. then I'm going to big time short the ringgit (per my standard is big time la tongue.gif).... whack 10 lots to start... wub.gif

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rm drop lagi!!!! ho-seh la
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It is very common, as USA Federal Reserve will plan to hike interest rate beginning Sept 2015 gradually.
No big surprise for you as USD will continue uptrend against major currencies, not only RM..
http://www.cnbc.com/id/102761954 See the expert point of views.
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As you can see Ringgit Malaysia drop like mad in many ways aginst USD, SGD, RMB, Thai bath, New Taiwan dollar.
I want to change most of my savings RM to USD as.I believe it.might raised to one USD become 4 Ringgit malaysia.

Beside money changer is there a faster way to switch myr currency to USD??
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1 : 3.7135

I'm waiting for it to hit 3.68 if possible.. then I'm going to big time short the ringgit (per my standard is big time la tongue.gif).... whack 10 lots to start...  wub.gif
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The question is how big is the sum you are having?
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The bigger question is.... where u gonna keep the money? Under your pillow?
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The bigger question is.... where u gonna keep the money? Under your pillow?
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i am just a 'runcit' mentality!!! change to usd now, hug them in my bolster while i pen down my asia travel plans over the next 5-7yrs. spike my travelling budget & spending power ie usd vs rupiah/bath/dong/yen shocking.gif .
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i am just a 'runcit' mentality!!! change to usd now, hug them in my bolster while i pen down my asia travel plans over the next 5-7yrs. spike my travelling budget & spending power ie usd vs rupiah/bath/dong/yen  shocking.gif .
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You lost 4% interest per year... so u have to make sure USD rise more then 4% per year...
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You lost 4% interest per year... so u have to make sure USD rise more then 4% per year...
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yes, agreed but this 4% is actually a gain in rm-numeric only but depreciates in spending power. unless yearly you downgraded from local holiday in langkawi(2016), melaka (2017), taiping (2018), batu pahat (2019) then kampung melati (2020)...so on. with a start which can afford 4-star hotel, two years later, can only afford hostel.

with usd vs rm/rupiah/dong/yen etc moving in opposite directions, i opt to stuff my bolster with usd and spend it yearly across asia
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QUOTE(vincentwmh @ Jun 18 2015, 05:03 PM)
yes, agreed but this 4% is actually a gain in rm-numeric only but depreciates in spending power. unless yearly you downgraded from local holiday in langkawi(2016), melaka (2017), taiping (2018), batu pahat (2019) then kampung melati (2020)...so on. with a start which can afford 4-star hotel, two years later, can only afford hostel.

with usd vs rm/rupiah/dong/yen etc moving in opposite directions, i opt to stuff my bolster with usd and spend it yearly across asia
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You dont get it.

I was going to leave it at that... but...

You see...

U have RM now... either u put it in savings or change to USD.

If u change it to USD, and keep it in your house. THe money doesnt generate any interest, at best it appreciates (MAYBE).

If you have kept your RM, it generates interest.

Hence, to make it worthwhile, the appreciation of your USD (in your pillow) must be MORE then 4% per year, which is the current interest by the banks.

If the appreciation is LESS, then you are losing out.

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You dont get it.

I was going to leave it at that... but...

You see...

U have RM now... either u put it in savings or change to USD.

If u change it to USD, and keep it in your house. THe money doesnt generate any interest, at best it appreciates (MAYBE).

If you have kept your RM, it generates interest

Hence, to make it worthwhile, the appreciation of your USD (in your pillow) must be MORE then 4% per year, which is the current interest by the banks.

If the appreciation is LESS, then you are losing out.
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yes, i totally agree with you. i understand. its just that i opt to do both. just a portion (to me, just a sum of my 7yrs travel budget fr rm into usd into my pillow now and surely portions for the 'blue' and others generating mode.

p/s when aud 2.6++ in-sight, i am sure to stuff some under my pillow too..hahaaa drool.gif

BTW, BNM X usd notes direct deposits, need to convert. but in sin, you can bring your pillow stuffed in usd notes to bank & deposit them, small interest tho!! if big amt, why not!!

This post has been edited by vincentwmh: Jun 18 2015, 05:24 PM

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