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post Dec 24 2014, 04:32 PM, updated 11y ago

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Fundsupermart.com (FSM) Malaysia is the online unit trust distribution arm of iFAST Capital Sdn. Bhd. ("iFAST Capital").

iFAST Capital is a holder of a Capital Markets Services Licence (CMSL) and is licensed by the Securities Commission to conduct the following regulated activities:

- To deal in unit trusts
- To offer investment advisory services
- To deal in Private Retirement Scheme

iFAST Capital is also registered with the Federation of Investment Managers Malaysia (FiMM) as an Institutional Unit Trust Adviser (IUTA).

iFAST Capital is a subsidiary of iFAST Malaysia Sdn. Bhd., which is wholly owned by iFAST Corporation Ltd. ("iFAST Corporation"). iFAST Corporation is headquartered in Singapore and the iFAST group of companies are also present in Hong Kong, Malaysia and China. The company was incorporated in Singapore on 10 January 2000.

iFAST Corporation was listed on the Singapore Exchange Mainboard in December 2014.

iFAST Corporation, via its wholly owned subsidiary iFAST Financial Pte. Ltd., is Singapore's leading online distributor of unit trusts as well as the leading operator of an investment platform for financial advisers and financial institutions. It carries the Capital Markets Services (CMS) and Financial Adviser (FA) licences issued by the Monetary Authority of Singapore (MAS), and is also one of three appointed Central Provident Board (CPF) Investment Administrators.

One of iFAST Corporation's shareholders is SPH AsiaOne Ltd, the Internet arm of Singapore Press Holdings, which is Singapore's largest media group. In recent years, iFAST Corporation has been expanding beyond local shores. In 2007, iFAST Corporation launched its first overseas business, Fundsupermart in Hong Kong and in 2008, it launched Fundsupermart in Malaysia. iFAST Corporation launched its office in China in 2014.



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1. Wide range of information
2. Extensive product range and value-added services
3. One of the cheapest Sales Charges in town! thumbup.gif


To keep discussions at this thread fruitful and constructive, it would be greatly appreciated that fellow investors try to look for answer to their queries at Frequently Asked Questions before posting here. icon_rolleyes.gif

What is unit trust?
Federation of Investment Managers Malaysia - ABC of Unit Trusts

Other FAQs on Fundsupermart.com and unit trust investing in general

1. NAV pricing and processing time
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2. The NAV price of the fund that I'm interested in is quite high now, should I stay away? Investment gurus always say "buy low, sell high"...
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FSM Idea Of The Week: Unit Split and High Fund Price Misconceptions [24 October 2014]
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Investors should not judge if a unit trust is cheap or expensive based on its unit trust price or NAV. Instead, they should focus on the valuations (PE ratios) of the underlying equity markets that the unit trust invests in.


3. Common misconceptions about unit trust dividends/distributions:

(i) After dividend distribution, NAV price will go down, the fund will become cheaper.
(ii) A fund that declares dividends is better than a fund that does not, dividends are my profit, they make me richer.

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(iii) Topping up my holdings after dividend distribution pulls down my cost per unit, lower cost = higher profit.
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(iv) Distribution = Income
QUOTE(jerrymax @ Mar 25 2013, 10:51 PM)
Ok so after dividend distribution, you get some additional units and NAV drops. Then after few weeks if fund perform well then NAV increases to the point where it is back to the NAV before distribution. Doesnt it mean you gain some income from distribution?
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QUOTE(jerrymax @ Mar 25 2013, 11:19 PM)
Then what's the point of dividend distribution since units and NAV price has negative correlation?
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4. Annual Management Charge, Trustee Fee and NAV pricing
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5. Return On Investment (ROI) vs Annualised Return, similar to Internal Rate of Return (IRR)
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Link to v1
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Link to v4
Link to v5
Link to v6
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Download here >>> Pinky's Portfolio Worksheet with IRR Calculation

Download here >>> polarzbearz's Portfolio Summary with Pinky's IRR Calculation (and here for Polarzbearz's FSM-to-Spreadsheet Conversion Tool)
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Make sure you read the instructions as many of the cells have formula in it. You can freely modify, update, or change it to suit your needs (and even share with others if you don't mind tongue.gif )


Happy investing! rclxms.gif

Disclaimer -
I am not a UT agent, nor am I employed by FSM. All my comments here are posted in good faith and with the intention to share knowledge. I am not to be held liable for any losses that may be incurred as a result of following any advice/opinion shared here. I believe the same should be applicable for any other LYN members posting here.
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QUOTE(David83 @ Dec 24 2014, 09:20 PM)
Year end is approaching and my bolehland funds are still under the water. laugh.gif
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My stock portfolio is up 12% year-to-date blush.gif
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My stock portfolio is up 12% year-to-date blush.gif
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What are you doing here? You should be attending some Xmas eve function right?

By the way, I'll be in KL this weekend. Want to meet up for a coffee?
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QUOTE(David83 @ Dec 24 2014, 09:43 PM)
What are you doing here? You should be attending some Xmas eve function right?

By the way, I'll be in KL this weekend. Want to meet up for a coffee?
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Hi all. I'm a newbie to Fundsupermart. Used to have an agent do all my unit trust investments. That's about a few years ago. now I want to try and do it on my own.
I guess, with the local equity market being bearish, could be the time to look for bargains.
If some of the taikors here have recommendations, sure would appreciate it.
TQ.
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Want to ask, when you guys topup your funds, how long does it take with FSM?

I been using eunittrust, when I make my transaction it takes around 3days to process. E.g if today market crashes so nav is pretty low & I decided to buy some but by the time my transaction succeed the nav increased already & they followed the latest price hmm.gif

Also what are the pros & cons of using FSM with eunittrust? eunittrust having promo, SC for KGF is 1% which is why I topup couple of days ago since nav dropped.
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Merry Christmas, Happy Holidays and Happy New Year to everyone here..
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To all sifus, just a quick question.

I did a brief calculation on my investment holding but somehow the average price i bought in it is not the same as the one listed by FSM "Weighted Average Cost".

Any bros having this issue? Or do you know how they calculate the WAC?

Thanks in advance!
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Dec 24 2014, 10:38 PM)
My stock portfolio is up 12% year-to-date blush.gif
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You sure are good...any tips?
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QUOTE(infernoaswen @ Dec 25 2014, 01:00 AM)
Want to ask, when you guys topup your funds, how long does it take with FSM?

Your buy orders will only be transacted when we receive your payment. Once we received your cheque/Internet bill payment for your orders before 3pm on each business day, your orders will be transacted on the same day. Cheques/Internet bill payment received after 3pm or on a non-business day will be transacted on the next business day.

Q: When will I know about the price I get?

A: Most of the unit trusts in Malaysia are priced based on "forward pricing". This means that if you transact today, you will get the fund’s value as of the closing price of the market today. However, you will know the price in two working days
The price that you could see in the website is the so-called 'indicative price'. This is usually the price of the fund two working days ago. This indicative price is NOT the actual transaction price of the fund that you are buying or selling.

Generally, the fund manager requires approximately two business days to consolidate and derive a unit price for the funds. These prices are further valued independently by the fund's trustees. Therefore, the dealing price will be made known to the public two business days after the transaction date. Once we obtained the price, an email notification will be sent to you.


I been using eunittrust, when I make my transaction it takes around 3days to process. E.g if today market crashes so nav is pretty low & I decided to buy some but by the time my transaction succeed the nav increased already & they followed the latest price  hmm.gif
WoW, 3 days? that will make uncertainty more uncertain...however,...it could be a blessing too......when/if the prices continued to fall laugh.gif

Also what are the pros & cons of using FSM with eunittrust? eunittrust having promo, SC for KGF is 1% which is why I topup couple of days ago since nav dropped.
hmm.gif well, while waiting for more valueable inputs from actual users of "both" platforms to reply, may I just grumble abits....some forummers liked eunittrust for its at times lower SC.....for others that liked FSM, maybe it is the "vast" of frequently updated info, easier to use platform, friendly and helpful CIS....and when they had reached a certain AUM with FSM....they can buy at lower SC.....

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QUOTE(MyRedz @ Dec 25 2014, 09:07 AM)
You sure are good...any tips?
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hmm.gif someone did cautioned before..... just be warned....you may not able to have a nice sleep with it...ha-ha tongue.gif
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QUOTE(NeN51 @ Dec 25 2014, 08:57 AM)
To all sifus, just a quick question.

I did a brief calculation on my investment holding but somehow the average price i bought in it is not the same as the one listed by FSM "Weighted Average Cost".

Any bros having this issue? Or do you know how they calculate the WAC?

Thanks in advance!
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Q: What is Weighted Average Cost (WAC)? How do you derive WAC?

A: Weighted Average Cost (WAC) in your ‘View Holding’ table is the actual cost per unit (or in other words, the breakeven price) of your holding after taking the sales charges into consideration.
Calculation of WAC is gross amount invested divided by the number of units. As the gross amount takes into consideration the sales charges that you pay when you purchase the fund, hence the WAC will be higher than buying price.


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QUOTE(elroyrovers @ Dec 25 2014, 12:21 AM)
Hi all. I'm a newbie to Fundsupermart. Used to have an agent do all my unit trust investments. That's about a few years ago. now I want to try and do it on my own.
I guess, with the local equity market being bearish, could be the time to look for bargains.
If some of the taikors here have recommendations, sure would appreciate it.
TQ.
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Wow Unker yklooi already replied to so many...unker no go yamseng ar? biggrin.gif

QUOTE(infernoaswen @ Dec 25 2014, 01:00 AM)
Want to ask, when you guys topup your funds, how long does it take with FSM?

I been using eunittrust, when I make my transaction it takes around 3days to process. E.g if today market crashes so nav is pretty low & I decided to buy some but by the time my transaction succeed the nav increased already & they followed the latest price  hmm.gif

Also what are the pros & cons of using FSM with eunittrust? eunittrust having promo, SC for KGF is 1% which is why I topup couple of days ago since nav dropped.
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With FSM, it takes 4 working days to FINALISE, for u to see them in your summary of holdings. But the 4 days lag is just processing time, as long as your buy transaction is completed (click buy + make payment + payment received by FSM) by 3PM on a business day, u get NAV for THAT DAY, your money ain't gonna disappear during that 4 days. laugh.gif

By the way, don't get too overly bothered with NAV, u are not trading UTs (well, u should NOT be!), over the long term, a few % difference would not make much difference.
QUOTE(NeN51 @ Dec 25 2014, 08:57 AM)
To all sifus, just a quick question.

I did a brief calculation on my investment holding but somehow the average price i bought in it is not the same as the one listed by FSM "Weighted Average Cost".

Any bros having this issue? Or do you know how they calculate the WAC?

Thanks in advance!
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WAC showed in FSM includes your sales charges.
QUOTE(elroyrovers @ Dec 25 2014, 12:21 AM)
Hi all. I'm a newbie to Fundsupermart. Used to have an agent do all my unit trust investments. That's about a few years ago. now I want to try and do it on my own.
I guess, with the local equity market being bearish, could be the time to look for bargains.
If some of the taikors here have recommendations, sure would appreciate it.
TQ.
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With FSM, u could invest GLOBAL. Why think only of local equity market? wink.gif

But as some would say, it's good to make local market the "anchor" of your portfolio, if u are not already invested in local equities yourself. Main reasons:
(1) no foreign currency translation loss
(2) local market is "inefficient", i.e. fund managers can easily beat the market. But this argument is also valid for most developing countries stock market

As for myself, I'm already invested in local equities, so my UT portfolio is mainly overseas-focused.
QUOTE(MyRedz @ Dec 25 2014, 09:07 AM)
You sure are good...any tips?
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Err...find some under-covered gems and buy them? blush.gif

The stocks which contributed the most to my portfolio, most fund managers would not even look at them.

Apollo - makes your favourite snacks
Hup Seng - makes your Ping Pong cream crackers

Gems are not easy to come by. I've already dumped these 2 stocks. Of my current holdings, DiGi and Karex brows.gif are the most profitable stock. But don't blindly replicate my portfolio oh...some stocks are already overvalued. sweat.gif

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QUOTE(yklooi @ Dec 25 2014, 09:11 AM)

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Thanks a lot, I guess for now I should take advantage of both platforms. If eunittrust SC is lower then topup using that otherwise FSM laugh.gif

QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Dec 25 2014, 10:55 AM)
Wow Unker yklooi already replied to so many...unker no go yamseng ar? biggrin.gif
With FSM, it takes 4 working days to FINALISE, for u to see them in your summary of holdings. But the 4 days lag is just processing time, as long as your buy transaction is completed (click buy + make payment + payment received by FSM) by 3PM on a business day, u get NAV for THAT DAY, your money ain't gonna disappear during that 4 days. laugh.gif

By the way, don't get too overly bothered with NAV, u are not trading UTs (well, u should NOT be!), over the long term, a few % difference would not make much difference.

WAC showed in FSM includes your sales charges.

With FSM, u could invest GLOBAL. Why think only of local equity market? wink.gif

But as some would say, it's good to make local market the "anchor" of your portfolio, if u are not already invested in local equities yourself. Main reasons:
(1) no foreign currency translation loss
(2) local market is "inefficient", i.e. fund managers can easily beat the market. But this argument is also valid for most developing countries stock market

As for myself, I'm already invested in local equities, so my UT portfolio is mainly overseas-focused.

Err...find some under-covered gems and buy them? blush.gif

The stocks which contributed the most to my portfolio, most fund managers would not even look at them.

Apollo - makes your favourite snacks
Hup Seng - makes your Ping Pong cream crackers

Gems are not easy to come by. I've already dumped these 2 stocks. Of my current holdings, DiGi and Karex brows.gif are the most profitable stock. But don't blindly replicate my portfolio oh...some stocks are already overvalued. sweat.gif
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I see, well trying to squeeze as much profit as possible laugh.gif
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Dec 25 2014, 10:55 AM)
Wow Unker yklooi already replied to so many...unker no go yamseng ar? biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(infernoaswen @ Dec 25 2014, 11:50 AM)
Thanks a lot, I guess for now I should take advantage of both platforms. If eunittrust SC is lower then topup using that otherwise FSM  laugh.gif
rclxms.gif that is a good idea... rclxm9.gif
hmm.gif  monitoring wise???
I see, well trying to squeeze as much profit as possible  laugh.gif
rclxms.gif while doing that, don't forget to stay within your comfort zones for a good nite sleep...
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Thanks @pinkspider & @yklooi

Did some calculation and it makes sense now.
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Dec 25 2014, 11:55 AM)
Wow Unker yklooi already replied to so many...unker no go yamseng ar? biggrin.gif
With FSM, it takes 4 working days to FINALISE, for u to see them in your summary of holdings. But the 4 days lag is just processing time, as long as your buy transaction is completed (click buy + make payment + payment received by FSM) by 3PM on a business day, u get NAV for THAT DAY, your money ain't gonna disappear during that 4 days. laugh.gif

By the way, don't get too overly bothered with NAV, u are not trading UTs (well, u should NOT be!), over the long term, a few % difference would not make much difference.

WAC showed in FSM includes your sales charges.

With FSM, u could invest GLOBAL. Why think only of local equity market? wink.gif

But as some would say, it's good to make local market the "anchor" of your portfolio, if u are not already invested in local equities yourself. Main reasons:
(1) no foreign currency translation loss
(2) local market is "inefficient", i.e. fund managers can easily beat the market. But this argument is also valid for most developing countries stock market

As for myself, I'm already invested in local equities, so my UT portfolio is mainly overseas-focused.

Err...find some under-covered gems and buy them? blush.gif

The stocks which contributed the most to my portfolio, most fund managers would not even look at them.

Apollo - makes your favourite snacks
Hup Seng - makes your Ping Pong cream crackers

Gems are not easy to come by. I've already dumped these 2 stocks. Of my current holdings, DiGi and Karex brows.gif are the most profitable stock. But don't blindly replicate my portfolio oh...some stocks are already overvalued. sweat.gif
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thanks for the reply..for the new year.2015.what are you take on REIT..?is it good to invest??on local equities based on consumers demand such as food and agriculture...those are a safe bet? how about tech stocks?what do u think
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QUOTE(MyRedz @ Dec 25 2014, 12:51 PM)
thanks for the reply..for the new year.2015.what are you take on REIT..?is it good to invest??on local equities based on consumers demand such as food and agriculture...those are a safe bet? how about tech stocks?what do u think
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while waiting for the SIFUS to response...if got time and interest...read this.....hope it helps...
2015 Outlook for Malaysia....Posted on December 17, 2014
The recent crash in oil prices has emerged as a major risk and drastically changed the outlook for the Malaysian economy and market. Not surprisingly, in times like this, investors will be wondering whether the stock market can improve next year and what investment opportunities lay ahead. Here, we share our thoughts on the Malaysian economy and equity market for the year of 2015.....Author : iFAST Research Team

http://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/resea...?articleNo=5357


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QUOTE(MyRedz @ Dec 25 2014, 12:51 PM)
thanks for the reply..for the new year.2015.what are you take on REIT..?is it good to invest??on local equities based on consumers demand such as food and agriculture...those are a safe bet? how about tech stocks?what do u think
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Unker Looi posted link to a very good article by FSM wink.gif

As u can see from my siggy, I'm heavily invested in REITs. But that is just me, I prefer dividend-yielding stocks because I want to slowly build up a stream of passive income.
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Dec 25 2014, 03:53 PM)
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Unker Looi posted link to a very good article by FSM wink.gif

As u can see from my siggy, I'm heavily invested in REITs. But that is just me, I prefer dividend-yielding stocks because I want to slowly build up a stream of passive income.
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hi..can i invest in REIT with FSM too??
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QUOTE(MyRedz @ Dec 25 2014, 04:17 PM)
hi..can i invest in REIT with FSM too??
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No doh.gif

FSM is for unit trusts.

U buy REITs through Bursa.
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Dec 25 2014, 06:15 PM)
No doh.gif

FSM is for unit trusts.

U buy REITs through Bursa.
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well how to start getting those REIT stocks??anyone care to show bursa??
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QUOTE(MyRedz @ Dec 25 2014, 06:27 PM)
well how to start getting those REIT stocks??anyone care to show bursa??
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well how to start getting those REIT stocks??anyone care to show bursa??
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https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/590947
https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/3353991
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hi..can i invest in REIT with FSM too??
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hmm.gif you can get "involved" in REIT with FSM thru these funds....

AMASIA PACIFIC REITS - CLASS B (MYR) Risk Rating: 10
INVESTMENT OBJECTIVE
The Fund aims to provide regular income and to a lesser extent capital appreciation over the Medium to Long Term by investing in real estate investment trusts (REITs).

AMASIA PACIFIC REITS PLUS Risk Rating: 10
INVESTMENT OBJECTIVE
The Fund aims to provide regular income and to a lesser extent capital appreciation over the medium to long term by investing in real estate investment trusts (REITs) and equities in the real estate sector.

AFFIN HWANG SELECT ASIA PACIFIC (EX JAPAN) REITS AND INFRASTRUCTURE FUND Risk Rating: 10
INVESTMENT OBJECTIVE
The Fund seeks to provide both income and capital appreciation over the medium to long term by investing in equity or equity-linked securities of companies involved in infrastructure-related businesses, as well as real estate investment trusts & REITs, in the Asia Pacific ex Japan.

RHB-OSK ASIAN REAL ESTATE FUND Risk Rating: 10
INVESTMENT OBJECTIVE
This Fund aims to achieve long term capital appreciation through investments in the real estate market.

KAF GLOBAL DIVERSIFIED PROPERTY FUND Risk Rating: 9
INVESTMENT OBJECTIVE
To achieve a combination of income and long-term capital growth by investing in a collective investment scheme called the Fidelity Global Property Fund.
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appreciate if u can show a link or guide for open cds acc at some investment bank??

any requirement for opening that acc?? biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(MyRedz @ Dec 25 2014, 11:49 PM)
appreciate if u can show a link or guide for open cds acc at some investment bank??

any requirement for opening that acc?? biggrin.gif
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try this site?
How to Open An Investment Account in Bursa Malaysia
http://www.investmentmalaysia.org/2013/04/...bursa-malaysia/

I found this site using "GOOGLE". This is a wonderful search engine.....many info can be found and located!

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try this site?
How to Open An Investment Account in Bursa Malaysia
http://www.investmentmalaysia.org/2013/04/...bursa-malaysia/

I found this site using "GOOGLE". This is a wonderful search engine.....many info can be found and located!
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http://1-million-dollar-blog.com/how-to-op...bursa-malaysia/

Haha whistling.gif whistling.gif
Easy Find From out Sifu Google..
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Boring day!
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What excitement u want? brows.gif

U see me reply so fast...I'm rotting at office right now yawn.gif doh.gif

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kids nowadays.. everything need spoon-feed.
sendiri cari kat google pun malas cool2.gif

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kids nowadays.. everything need spoon-feed.
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What excitement u want? brows.gif

U see me reply so fast...I'm rotting at office right now yawn.gif doh.gif
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I got a little excited seeing your new avatar pic.. Viet?
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I got a little excited seeing your new avatar pic.. Viet?
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Helo everyone, i need some thoughts here, I'm interested in reits, but am not sure which platform to start, a UT reits fund or wit bursa reits, it seems less risky wit UT reits as 1 fund invest into a few reits than to having a few reits on bursa, am looking for Amasia pacific reits class b, it's a fund which invest the fund solely on reits comparing to other reits fund in fsm, others reits + stock, so my question is UT reits vs. bursa reits (better option as in better return/manageable), please advise thanks wink.gif

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QUOTE(yeowhock @ Dec 26 2014, 12:42 PM)
Helo everyone, i need some thoughts here, I'm interested in reits, but am not sure which platform to start, a UT reits fund or wit bursa reits, it seems less risky wit UT reits as 1 fund invest into a few reits than to having a few reits on bursa, am looking for Amasia pacific reits class b, it's a fund which invest the fund solely on reits comparing to other reits fund in fsm, others reits + stock, so my question is UT reits vs. bursa reits (better option as in better return/manageable), please advise thanks wink.gif
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My opinion -

I invest in REITs as substitute for investing in real estates - I want stream of cash flows. Thus, I chose to invest in REITs thru Bursa.

If u invest in a REIT fund, the dividends received are all reinvested; if u want the cash flow, u gotta manually sell some units yourself.

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Dec 26 2014, 12:47 PM)
My opinion -

I invest in REITs as substitute for investing in real estates - I want stream of cash flows. Thus, I chose to invest in REITs thru Bursa.

If u invest in a REIT fund, the dividends received are all reinvested; if u want the cash flow, u gotta manually sell some units yourself.
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I see, u mean bursa reits has better cash flows as in return? But how many of bursa reits do I need(assuming no loss be it UT reits or bursa reits) to be comparable with UT reits return, how is the performance ratio for bursa reits vs UT reits? Plus do you often withdraw the profit return from bursa reits? sounds promising wink.gif
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Boring day!
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anyway ask how to chose the best

1)Authorised Depository Agents (ADAs), i.e. stockbroking companies

2)Bursa Registered Brokers for trading activities


help appreciated.
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QUOTE(yeowhock @ Dec 26 2014, 01:03 PM)
I see, u mean bursa reits has better cash flows as in return? But how many of bursa reits do I need(assuming no loss be it UT reits or bursa reits) to be comparable with UT reits return, how is the performance ratio for bursa reits vs UT reits? Plus do you often withdraw the profit return from bursa reits? sounds promising wink.gif
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Unit trust funds typically reinvest the dividends received UNLESS u opt to receive the dividends in cash. With FSM, all dividends are reinvested. If u want cash flows, u have to manually sell some units.

This, u gotta go Google and understand what is unit trust.

When I buy REITs, I rarely sell any. Treat them some sort of like Fixed Deposits.
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REITS.. get from Bursa lah.. cheaper
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Dec 26 2014, 01:06 PM)
Unit trust funds typically reinvest the dividends received UNLESS u opt to receive the dividends in cash. With FSM, all dividends are reinvested. If u want cash flows, u have to manually sell some units.

This, u gotta go Google and understand what is unit trust.

When I buy REITs, I rarely sell any. Treat them some sort of like Fixed Deposits.
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Yup, I kinda get the idea of investing in UT, you're right, i do look at it like FD wink.gif , still learning ways of different investing platform, i have a few UT funds with FSM, does it make sense if I invest in both, bursa reits n UT reits? I don't want to look like blindly invest or over diversify hahah
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QUOTE(Kaka23 @ Dec 26 2014, 01:08 PM)
REITS.. get from Bursa lah.. cheaper
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Actually I lazy to go thru the trouble of opening the CDs acc, so I thought if UT reits a better option I just focus on UT reits as I have a few UT funds too wink.gif
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QUOTE(yeowhock @ Dec 26 2014, 01:17 PM)
Yup, I kinda get the idea of investing in UT, you're right, i do look at it like FD wink.gif , still learning ways of different investing platform, i have a few UT funds with FSM, does it make sense if I invest in both, bursa reits n UT reits? I don't want to look like blindly invest or over diversify hahah
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There is some pros and cons of investing in REIT fund vs REITs

A good REIT manager can do more in-depth research and study than us.

But, a REIT fund manager may sell off REITs that show paper loss on his portfolio with good and stable yield to make his annual/interim report look nice (window dressing whistling.gif ).

If u invest in REITs yourself thru Bursa, u may choose to keep those REITs; eventually the dividends will cover the paper/price loss if u keep them long enough.

Well, this point is also valid for other dividend-yielding stocks.

If u have time and diligence to do some research and study yourself, IMHO it's better and more rewarding to invest in REITs and dividend stocks yourself than to buy a REIT/Dividend UT fund.

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Dec 26 2014, 01:25 PM)
There is some pros and cons of investing in REIT fund vs REITs

A good REIT manager can do more in-depth research and study than us.

But, a REIT fund manager may sell off REITs that show paper loss on his portfolio with good and stable yield to make his annual/interim report look nice (window dressing whistling.gif ).

If u invest in REITs yourself thru Bursa, u may choose to keep those REITs; eventually the dividends will cover the paper/price loss if u keep them long enough.

Well, this point is also valid for other dividend-yielding stocks.

If u have time and diligence to do some research and study yourself, IMHO it's better and more rewarding to invest in REITs and dividend stocks yourself than to buy a REIT/Dividend UT fund.
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Hahah now it's more like reits manager vs self-invest, but I do see your point, thank you for your thoughts
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I am old...cannot take "One Important Risk You Might Have Overlooked with REITs"....
http://www.fool.sg/2013/08/01/one-importan...ked-with-reits/
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QUOTE(yklooi @ Dec 26 2014, 01:40 PM)
I am old...cannot take "One Important Risk You Might Have Overlooked with REITs"....
http://www.fool.sg/2013/08/01/one-importan...ked-with-reits/
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ini...accounting

Interest on loans are treated as expenses.

If a REIT/stock is distributing 100% of its EARNINGS to shareholders, means that it has already covered the interest payments.

Loan maturing? Dig new hole to cover old hole Take new loan to pay off old loan lor...REFINANCE, unker! biggrin.gif

Worse case, new loan will get higher interest rate - this will reduce future earnings, hence dividends. Won't do much harm actually

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QUOTE(MyRedz @ Dec 26 2014, 01:04 PM)
why is boring?no yumcha today?
anyway ask how to chose the best

1)Authorised Depository Agents (ADAs), i.e. stockbroking companies

2)Bursa Registered Brokers for trading activities
help appreciated.
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please click...

i'm also rotting in the office...

REALLY need a job change...
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Rotting in the office....
they have a term for it....
DEFINITION of 'Underemployment'

A measure of employment and labor utilization in the economy that looks at how well the labor force is being utilized in terms of skills, experience and availability to work. Labor that falls under the underemployment classification includes those workers that are highly skilled but working in low paying jobs, workers that are highly skilled but work in low skill jobs and part-time workers that would prefer to be full-time. This is different from unemployment in that the individual is working but isn't working at their full capability. ....investopedia.

I just so envy you guys.....because you realized it....

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Sometimes is better to rot in the office than to rot at home, no? ;p
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Do you guys wanna like make a whatsapp group? Me and Arvinaaaaa wanna do it :3
Newbies till Sifus also can..

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QUOTE(woonsc @ Dec 26 2014, 02:52 PM)
Do you guys wanna like make a whatsapp group? Me and Arvinaaaaa wanna do it :3
Newbies till Sifus also can..
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Gud idea but sometimes is quite annoying u know, tat notification n scrolling part, not tat I object the idea
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Gud idea but sometimes is quite annoying u know, tat notification n scrolling part, not tat I object the idea
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i know, haha.. just long mesg are allowed, no spam sign0014.gif
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UT is for investing, not trading. No need for real-time communications lar doh.gif
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The 0.5 sales charge only for the UT event in mvalley? Looks like no promotion for the site anytime soon, I guess is time to utilize cash mgmt fund, but since I do lump sum every month, don't hv extra balance to put it there ;(
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Gud idea but sometimes is quite annoying u know, tat notification n scrolling part, not tat I object the idea
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u can mute the specify group thumbup.gif
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hi..who did a job change
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hi..who did a job change
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Y u r asking? Not wise ba to change job now, looking at cny n gst around the corner
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QUOTE(yeowhock @ Dec 26 2014, 09:33 PM)
Y u r asking? Not wise ba to change job now, looking at cny n gst around the corner
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sorry for asking..but with low wages and un reliable situation..maybe we should take risks..well u never know what is there if you change.
are u comfortable in your job?
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NASDAQ hits 14-year high. S&P500 close at 2088

URL: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-12-26/u...ear-record.html

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NASDAQ hits 14-year high. S&P500 close at 2088

URL: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-12-26/u...ear-record.html
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My portfolio still long way from this year all time high..
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QUOTE(yklooi @ Dec 25 2014, 09:26 AM)
here is the contacts of the person(s) that are more qualified and are waiting to hear from you.....(after the holidays-lah)
check with them, then post their response here for our benefits, which may not be what some of people here liked... tongue.gif
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TQ. Will call them.
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Dec 25 2014, 10:55 AM)
Wow Unker yklooi already replied to so many...unker no go yamseng ar? biggrin.gif
With FSM, it takes 4 working days to FINALISE, for u to see them in your summary of holdings. But the 4 days lag is just processing time, as long as your buy transaction is completed (click buy + make payment + payment received by FSM) by 3PM on a business day, u get NAV for THAT DAY, your money ain't gonna disappear during that 4 days. laugh.gif

By the way, don't get too overly bothered with NAV, u are not trading UTs (well, u should NOT be!), over the long term, a few % difference would not make much difference.

WAC showed in FSM includes your sales charges.

With FSM, u could invest GLOBAL. Why think only of local equity market? wink.gif

But as some would say, it's good to make local market the "anchor" of your portfolio, if u are not already invested in local equities yourself. Main reasons:
(1) no foreign currency translation loss
(2) local market is "inefficient", i.e. fund managers can easily beat the market. But this argument is also valid for most developing countries stock market

As for myself, I'm already invested in local equities, so my UT portfolio is mainly overseas-focused.

Err...find some under-covered gems and buy them? blush.gif

The stocks which contributed the most to my portfolio, most fund managers would not even look at them.

Apollo - makes your favourite snacks
Hup Seng - makes your Ping Pong cream crackers

Gems are not easy to come by. I've already dumped these 2 stocks. Of my current holdings, DiGi and Karex brows.gif are the most profitable stock. But don't blindly replicate my portfolio oh...some stocks are already overvalued. sweat.gif
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3rd plane down.. will it affect the share market?

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3rd plane down.. will it affect the share market?
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Only AirAsia berhad & maybe also AirAsia X hmm.gif
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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Dec 28 2014, 02:34 PM)
Only AirAsia berhad & maybe also AirAsia X   hmm.gif
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Indonesia Airasia is a separate entity from the corporate group that runs Asia's largest budget carrier
hmm.gif who is the insurance undertaker?
hopefully NOT from M'sia too....

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QUOTE(yklooi @ Dec 28 2014, 03:25 PM)
hmm.gif who is the insurance undertaker?
hopefully NOT from M'sia too....
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maybe tune insurance? hmm.gif
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pink hmm.gif after the flood has subsided.....
cars repairs, furniture need to be replaced, houses need to be repaired...
what stocks good?
currently biscuits, sardines, rice and drinking water companies are good...
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A series of unfortunate event one by one...definitely will recover short term soon...but its just a prelude to a sovereign debt big bang soon...
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QUOTE(max_cavalera @ Dec 28 2014, 03:51 PM)
A series of unfortunate event one by one...definitely will recover short term soon...but its just a prelude to a sovereign debt big bang soon...
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QUOTE(yklooi @ Dec 28 2014, 03:39 PM)
pink  hmm.gif after the flood has subsided.....
cars repairs, furniture need to be replaced, houses need to be repaired...
what stocks good?
currently biscuits, sardines, rice and drinking water companies are good...
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spritzer, ping pong biscuits, julies, ...haha
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QUOTE(kkk8787 @ Dec 28 2014, 04:26 PM)
spritzer, ping pong biscuits, julies, ...haha
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hmm.gif sis not see spritzer...only saw "ICE" on the boxes being lifted onto delivery vehicles.
which listed companies made those? notworthy.gif
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QUOTE(yklooi @ Dec 28 2014, 03:25 PM)
Indonesia Airasia is a separate entity from the corporate group that runs Asia's largest budget carrier
hmm.gif who is the insurance undertaker?
hopefully NOT from M'sia too....
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Tune Insurance? tongue.gif
QUOTE(yklooi @ Dec 28 2014, 03:39 PM)
pink  hmm.gif after the flood has subsided.....
cars repairs, furniture need to be replaced, houses need to be repaired...
what stocks good?
currently biscuits, sardines, rice and drinking water companies are good...
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Car repairs? Proton and Honda are now offering discount for repair on cars affected by flooding. I don't see that as profitable tongue.gif

Furniture? Too broad...I also dunno who to pick rclxub.gif

Construction and repairs? Certainly yes...wars and natural disasters are good for construction companies. biggrin.gif
Maybe pick some construction material companies? LaFarge, Tasek, YTL Corp etc... rolleyes.gif

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hmm.gif sis not see spritzer...only saw "ICE" on the boxes being lifted onto delivery vehicles.
which listed companies made those?  notworthy.gif
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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Dec 28 2014, 06:20 PM)
tis want kah?
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yes,..but I think it is not that profitable as the construction and repair jobs....
go as what pink has mentioned above is a better bet
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FSM cut-off date for 2014 has passed right?
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Boring day at work!
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Good day for Monday blues happy hour session? brows.gif
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Cannot happy la... need to mourn. Bendera separuh tiang...
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Cannot happy la... need to mourn. Bendera separuh tiang...
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Cannot happy la... need to mourn. Bendera separuh tiang...
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No need for that occasion as it is not under Malaysia responsibility. Indonesia is taking full responsibility of the incident.
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Guys...2014 coming to an end...remember post your 2014 full-year ROI here...just for sharing biggrin.gif
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FSM cut-off date for 2014 has passed right?
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Yup. whistling.gif
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Guys...2014 coming to an end...remember post your 2014 full-year ROI here...just for sharing biggrin.gif
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whistling.gif  -2.78% whole port YTD.. haha  laugh.gif
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How about stock market? brows.gif
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haha u?

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how to see the full year ROI geh? go analyze portfolio there ah? i only know my full portfolio is +4% only sweat.gif
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how to see the full year ROI geh? go analyze portfolio there ah? i only know my full portfolio is +4% only  sweat.gif
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Must exclude CMF portion otherwise it will be very low smile.gif
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how to see the full year ROI geh? go analyze portfolio there ah? i only know my full portfolio is +4% only  sweat.gif
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Use this formula:

Total Profit/(Loss) / (Portfolio value at beginning of year + Total amount invested/(withdrawn) during the year/2) x 100%


This is the most simple way of calculating 12-month return on investment

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Use this formula:

Total Profit/(Loss) / (Portfolio value at beginning of year + Total amount invested/(withdrawn) during the year/2) x 100%


This is the most simple way of calculating 12-month return on investment
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if count like that, then its 8.8%.. rclxub.gif use total profit ke? what if the profit is from 2013? hmm.gif
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QUOTE(pisces88 @ Dec 29 2014, 09:46 PM)
if count like that, then its 8.8%..  rclxub.gif  use total profit ke? what if the profit is from 2013?  hmm.gif
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if count like that, then its 8.8%..  rclxub.gif  use total profit ke? what if the profit is from 2013?  hmm.gif
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No, u must compare apple to apple.

Take only profit generated during past 12 months.
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That's why it's best to try to keep track every year. If you take total profit, then 8.8% - previous year profit % would be this year ROI.
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ok headache liao. i think last year im at -4%, so include this 8% this year, thats why my current holdings is +4%. make sense right? laugh.gif
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Dec 29 2014, 09:52 PM)
No, u must compare apple to apple.

Take only profit generated during past 12 months.
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how to know whats the profit generated in 2014 only ah?

take the total current holdings - total holdings of 2013?
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ok headache liao. i think last year im at -4%, so include this 8% this year, thats why my current holdings is +4%. make sense right? laugh.gif
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I don't know wanna doh.gif or vmad.gif

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how to know whats the profit generated in 2014 only ah?

take the total current holdings -  total holdings of 2013?
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U got keep record of profit (in Ringgit figure) as at 31 Dec 2013 or not?

If no...then tricky a bit sweat.gif

hmm.gif

Your portfolio VALUE as at 1 Jan 2014 is your (reset) COST for year of 2014.

Portfolio value as at 31 Dec 2014 - (Portfolio value as at 1 Jan 2014 + Total amounts invested/(withdrawn) during 2014) = Profit for 2014

E.g. portfolio value as at 1 Jan 2014 is RM10,000
During 2014 u total/net pumped in RM3,000
At 31 Dec 2014 your portfolio value is RM15,000
Profit during year 2014 is thus RM2,000

ROI = RM2,000 / (RM10,000 + RM3,000/2) x 100% = 17.4%

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Full year ROI... if you have excel, use the XIRR formula...

31/12/2013 (10,000)








31/12/2014 11,000 10.00%

The above figures are in cells A1, B1, A10, B10 and C10.
C10 has this formula: =XIRR(B1:B10,A1:A10,0.01)

- what is important is the total values of the portfolio at 31st Dec.
- Any new investments and withdrawals, add the dates and their values in between the above figures.
- Investments are in negative values

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U got keep record of profit (in Ringgit figure) as at 31 Dec 2013 or not?

If no...then tricky a bit sweat.gif

hmm.gif

Your portfolio VALUE as at 1 Jan 2014 is your (reset) COST for year of 2014.

Portfolio value as at 31 Dec 2014 - (Portfolio value as at 1 Jan 2014 + Total amounts invested/(withdrawn) during 2014) = Profit for 2014

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ah, thats what i thought too.

then i will recalculate laugh.gif
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Full year ROI... if you have excel, use the XIRR formula...

31/12/2013  (10,000)
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
31/12/2014  11,000  10.00%

The above figures are in cells A1, B1, A10, B10 and C10.
C10 has this formula: =XIRR(B1:B10,A1:A10,0.01)

- what is important is the total values of the portfolio at 31st Dec.
- Any new investments and withdrawals, add the dates and their values in between the above figures.
- Investments are in negative values
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This is the most scientific/accurate way of calculating nod.gif

My method is the more simplistic one. icon_rolleyes.gif
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Dec 29 2014, 09:57 PM)
U got keep record of profit (in Ringgit figure) as at 31 Dec 2013 or not?

If no...then tricky a bit sweat.gif

hmm.gif

Your portfolio VALUE as at 1 Jan 2014 is your (reset) COST for year of 2014.

Portfolio value as at 31 Dec 2014 - (Portfolio value as at 1 Jan 2014 + Total amounts invested/(withdrawn) during 2014) = Profit for 2014

E.g. portfolio value as at 1 Jan 2014 is RM10,000
During 2014 u total/net pumped in RM3,000
At 31 Dec 2014 your portfolio value is RM15,000
Profit during year 2014 is thus RM2,000

ROI = RM2,000 / (RM10,000 + RM3,000/2) x 100% = 17.4%
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QUOTE(woonsc @ Dec 29 2014, 10:05 PM)
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Dec 29 2014, 10:01 PM)
This is the most scientific/accurate way of calculating nod.gif

My method is the more simplistic one. icon_rolleyes.gif
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where got 'scientific' tongue.gif
got calculator, use calculator... got pc, use spreadsheet...

explained simple & quick estimate also no point, if people still ask 'formula' laugh.gif

yeah, easy & quick to estimate by roughly assuming all the new investments are at mid year and thus divide by 2... still get the 17.4% as checked out by XIRR formula.

31/12/2013 (10,000)
1/7/2014 (3,000)
31/12/2014 15,000 17.48%

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can we apply a account for singapore fsm?
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For non Singapore residents, you may also open an account with Fundsupermart Singapore. Do note that the accounts opened with Fundsupermart Singapore will be treated as separate accounts opened in Fundsupermart India / Hong Kong / Malaysia. You may also wish to take note of the restrictions in funds, taxation issues and sale and purchase of funds.

FAQ 1. I am not a Singaporean. Can I open an account?
Yes. You would go through the same account opening steps as all Singaporean investors. At the end, print out the form, sign it, and mail it in to us with a photocopy of your local Identity Card or Passport as well as the supporting documents required.

some Non-Singapore Based Investors FAQs
https://secure.fundsupermart.com/main/faq/faq.svdo?id=6210

contacts FSM S'pore
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Crude falls to 5-year low:

WTI: USD 53.72
Brent: USD 57.99

URL: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-12-29/o...rage-tanks.html
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Eastspring Investments global funds a few days no NAV update already (not just at FSM but also at Eastspring Investments home page) hmm.gif
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Eastspring Investments global funds a few days no NAV update already (not just at FSM but also at Eastspring Investments home page) hmm.gif
Is it due to the dividend announcement?

http://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/fundi...nouncement.svdo?

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Is it due to the dividend announcement?

http://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/fundi...nouncement.svdo?
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Eastspring staff went on leave, forgot to ask someone to update website?


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Eastspring staff went on leave, forgot to ask someone to update website?
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Crude falls to 5-year low:

WTI: USD 53.72
Brent: USD 57.99

URL: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-12-29/o...rage-tanks.html
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Jennifer wub.gif : Hello

Jennifer wub.gif : How can I help you?

Pinky: Most funds are already updated to 26th Dec or at least 24th

Jennifer wub.gif : Just a moment, let me check

Jennifer wub.gif : Please be informed that 24 Dec and 26 Dec is fund holiday and thus there is no transaction price.

Jennifer wub.gif : While yesterday price will be appeared on later evening or tomorrow.
FYI biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(azeL_Inc @ Dec 30 2014, 09:57 AM)
EI small cap is declaring distribution..got the 'D' symbol next to EISCF at FSM.
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The ex date is today.

In fact several EI funds are on ex date today too:

12-Dec-2014 Eastspring Investments Small-Cap Fund RM 0.0426 per unit To Be Advised 30-Dec-2014
12-Dec-2014 Eastspring Investments Balanced Fund RM 0.0485 per unit To Be Advised 30-Dec-2014
12-Dec-2014 Eastspring Investments Bond Fund RM 0.0235 per unit To Be Advised 30-Dec-2014
12-Dec-2014 Eastspring Investments Equity Income Fund RM 0.0515 per unit To Be Advised 30-Dec-2014
12-Dec-2014 Eastspring Investments Growth Fund RM 0.0401 per unit To Be Advised 30-Dec-2014

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QUOTE(Kaka23 @ Dec 30 2014, 11:40 AM)
you like chubby girl ya!! smile.gif
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U saw Jennifer before? blink.gif
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More than one year ago when attending one of the seminar!
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QUOTE(Kaka23 @ Dec 30 2014, 12:42 PM)
Yeap!

More than one year ago when attending one of the seminar!
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Yeap!

More than one year ago when attending one of the seminar!
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Dec 30 2014, 07:21 AM)
Eastspring Investments global funds a few days no NAV update already (not just at FSM but also at Eastspring Investments home page) hmm.gif
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http://rhbim.rhb.com.my/unit_trust/funds/fund.asp
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RHB OSK UT page has been down for days:

http://rhbim.rhb.com.my/unit_trust/funds/fund.asp
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Ya ya...lagi teruk laugh.gif

not the first time since RHB took over yawn.gif

But Bloomberg got updated price of CMF
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doh.gif at 95% EQ for a year...YTD is 1.95% doh.gif
Best Fund..Hw China at 12%
Worst fund ....RHBOSK E opp -6.76%

rclxm9.gif with +1.95% can go shopping, after coming back from shopping trip with family....will be reducing EQ to cash soon....CMF = 3.6%pa, Ambank FD 36 mths = 4.5%.....better than FI?

hmm.gif guess Howard Marks is correct.....(just to console ownself-lah) flex.gif

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Hi Guys,

I'm looking to get some exposure to China A-Share market. Any fund that you guys recommend?

I'm looking at Affin Hwang China Growth Fund, I know it's a wholesale fund. Right now it seems that only Philip Mutual is willing to take in my investment with 5.5% SC.

Another one I'm looking at is AmChina A-Share but this one looks like roller coaster. Haha.

Some recommended CIMB Principal Greater China Equity. But I think this one has too much exposure to Taiwan and Hong Kong. Which is not my goal.

What do you guys think?
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Hi Guys,

I'm looking to get some exposure to China A-Share market. Any fund that you guys recommend?

I'm looking at Affin Hwang China Growth Fund, I know it's a wholesale fund. Right now it seems that only Philip Mutual is willing to take in my investment with 5.5% SC.

Another one I'm looking at is AmChina A-Share but this one looks like roller coaster. Haha.

Some recommended CIMB Principal Greater China Equity. But I think this one has too much exposure to Taiwan and Hong Kong. Which is not my goal.

What do you guys think?
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RHB-OSK BIG CAP CHINA ENTERPRISE FUND...FSM SC 2%, Initial inv RM 1k.

Up to 98% of NAV: Investments in equities and equity linked securities issued by companies whose businesses are in China and are listed on the China markets and / or other markets

http://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/fundi...umber=MYOSKBDCE
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Chasing over China again?

China stocks top performers in 2014, oil plunges, dollar sees best gain in nine years

SYDNEY (Reuters) - Chinese stocks were celebrating their best year in five on Wednesday while markets elsewhere in Asia were ending 2014 on a cautionary note as worries about Greece's future in the euro zone served as an excuse to take profits on crowded trades.

The stand-out global equity performer was China, where the CSI300 index of the largest listed companies in Shanghai and Shenzhen looked set to end 2014 with gains of nearly 50 percent, the biggest among the world's major markets.

URL: http://finance.yahoo.com/news/asia-closing...-001206738.html
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I fully understand China just had the biggest bull run in the past 6 months. But I think there're still money to be made especially in the consumption front. And I view the tightening in lending policy positively for more quality growth.

The reason why I choose Affin Hwang China Growth Fund over RHB-OSK BIG CAP CHINA ENTERPRISE FUND is because China growth has more balance portfolio of consumer, services, healthcare and industry. Whereas Big Bap China is financial and O&G heavy.

What do you think?
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QUOTE(mark_hew @ Dec 31 2014, 01:54 PM)
I fully understand China just had the biggest bull run in the past 6 months. But I think there're still money to be made especially in the consumption front. And I view the tightening in lending policy positively for more quality growth.

The reason why I choose Affin Hwang China Growth Fund over RHB-OSK BIG CAP CHINA ENTERPRISE FUND is because China growth has more balance portfolio of consumer, services, healthcare and industry. Whereas Big Bap China is financial and O&G heavy.

What do you think?
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Wow .. thanks for sharing. I was using morning star as guide.

http://my.morningstar.com/ap/quicktake/ove...ceId=0P0000AD66

Under their classification the financial and energy adds up to 40%.

Didn't know different site the data can be so different. mind sharing which website you using?
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it is in the fund factsheets in the FSM website.

just a note:...some have fine prints in their prospectus/product highlight sheet.....(something like this)
"asset allocation is only indicative and will be reviewed from time to time depending on the judgment of the External Investment
Manager as to the general market and economic conditions. Although the Fund is actively managed, how active or the frequency of its
trading strategy will very much depend on market opportunities."

there fore they are not fixed and some have limits to a certain % for each sector.

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Hi Guys,

I'm looking to get some exposure to China A-Share market. Any fund that you guys recommend?

I'm looking at Affin Hwang China Growth Fund, I know it's a wholesale fund. Right now it seems that only Philip Mutual is willing to take in my investment with 5.5% SC.

Another one I'm looking at is AmChina A-Share but this one looks like roller coaster. Haha.

Some recommended CIMB Principal Greater China Equity. But I think this one has too much exposure to Taiwan and Hong Kong. Which is not my goal.

What do you guys think?
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I had this China fund with me from FSM SG since last year May, also a recommended fund by FSM past few years. So far lock profit at 20%+-  : thumbup.gif
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rclxms.gif good for you...
hmm.gif anyway, in summary China in 2014.....just like what David83 has posted in #142
so what is NEXT in 2015? will it continue? rclxub.gif
But next year may well turn out differently.... sweat.gif
http://www.straitstimes.com/news/opinion/e...rn-out-20141231
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Happy New Year in advance everyone! biggrin.gif

As always, spend carefully, invest smartly, make more money, live more merry! rclxms.gif

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Happy New Year in advance everyone! biggrin.gif

As always, spend carefully, invest smartly, make more money, live more merry! rclxms.gif
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Going back a year or thereabouts, FSM was promoting China funds on the basis of low P/E ratios, IIRC.

I recall making a comment that China Funds are volatile and basically a hit-and-miss proposition.

On the basis of making a call which turned out good, kudos to FSM. On the basis of the 5-year performance for, say, RHB-OSK Big Cap China, the return is a grand total of 2.9552% pa. Overall, what that means, you decide. smile.gif
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sad.gif they post this at the bottom of their articles...
"This article is not to be construed as an offer or solicitation for the subscription, purchase or sale of any fund. No investment decision should be taken without first viewing a fund's prospectus and if necessary, consulting with financial or other professional advisers. Any advice herein is made on a general basis and does not take into account the specific investment objectives of the specific person or group of persons. Past performance and any forecast is not necessarily indicative of the future or likely performance of the fund. The value of units and the income from them may fall as well as rise. Opinions expressed herein are subject to change without notice. Please read our disclaimer in the website." biggrin.gif

"Happy NEW YEAR Everyone"....




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mad.gif just checked....My Hw Syariah PRS fund.....YTD profits NOT enough to cover the annual PPA fees. doh.gif
this horse was good till July....
anyway, if got time, planning to go to their Penang office to do the topping up next few days...

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S&P 500 dropped 1% on last trading day to close at 2058

URL: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-12-31/u...-2014-gain.html
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There is some pros and cons of investing in REIT fund vs REITs

A good REIT manager can do more in-depth research and study than us.

But, a REIT fund manager may sell off REITs that show paper loss on his portfolio with good and stable yield to make his annual/interim report look nice (window dressing whistling.gif ).

If u invest in REITs yourself thru Bursa, u may choose to keep those REITs; eventually the dividends will cover the paper/price loss if u keep them long enough.

Well, this point is also valid for other dividend-yielding stocks.

If u have time and diligence to do some research and study yourself, IMHO it's better and more rewarding to invest in REITs and dividend stocks yourself than to buy a REIT/Dividend UT fund.
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My decision in investing into reit fund/reits has bcome frm uncertain to more uncertain

http://www.theedgemarkets.com/my/article/k...ile-bond-market

Furthermore i got bond funds, n my kenanga growth + eastspring sc not recovering much, hmm pain
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QUOTE(yeowhock @ Jan 1 2015, 11:09 AM)
My decision in investing into reit fund/reits has bcome frm uncertain to more uncertain

http://www.theedgemarkets.com/my/article/k...ile-bond-market

Furthermore i got bond funds, n my kenanga growth + eastspring sc not recovering much, hmm pain
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Like I've said before, if u hold long enough, the dividends will be more than enough to cover for your capital losses.

But then, u still have to pick good REITs, some "bad" REITs suffer capital losses that dividends can barely cover...see ARREIT and AMFIRST...see their 5-year chart. sweat.gif
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Jan 1 2015, 11:16 AM)
Like I've said before, if u hold long enough, the dividends will be more than enough to cover for your capital losses.

But then, u still have to pick good REITs, some "bad" REITs suffer capital losses that dividends can barely cover...see ARREIT and AMFIRST...see their 5-year chart. sweat.gif
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Ok noted, keyword "long enough", "5 year chart" smile.gif

Happy new year everyone, HUAT ah!!
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Hello, can someone point me to a fund dealing with crude oil ? tx
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Hello, can someone point me to a fund dealing with crude oil ?  tx
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hmm.gif not sure if this is the correct one...that you wanted.
it did talked a lot (mostly) about crude oil, in its "Manager comments" in the fund factsheet.
check it out if you are interested......too wordy for me.

RHB-OSK ENERGY FUND Risk Rating: 10

INVESTMENT OBJECTIVE
The Fund aims to achieve long term (a period of between 5-7 years) capital appreciation through an investment that is linked to the global energy sector.

http://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/fundi...number=MYOSKENG

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ix for info bro...but seems not so into oil...more like bonds, etc if i read the factsheet correctly....any other suggestions by forumers ? tx
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QUOTE(ronho @ Jan 1 2015, 12:57 PM)
ix for info bro...but seems not so into oil...more like bonds, etc if i read the factsheet correctly....any other suggestions by forumers ? tx
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That fund trades futures/options linked to energy sector, which is SUPER volatile

This kind of fund is like...u invest RM100,000 in it, they park maybe RM90,000 in bonds, so that after X no. of years, u get back RM100,000 from bonds as a capital preservation. Then the balance RM10,000 go gamble at Genting they go trade futures/options, which can give up to or even more than 100% capital gain/loss.
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QUOTE(ronho @ Jan 1 2015, 12:57 PM)
ix for info bro...but seems not so into oil...more like bonds, etc if i read the factsheet correctly....any other suggestions by forumers ? tx
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sad.gif so you wanted fund for Equities in crude Oil? what about O & G?
found some in FSM HK...(again not sure if this is what you seek)

BlackRock Global Funds - World Energy Fund (USD) A2
Investment Objective
BlackRock Global Funds - World Energy Fund seeks to maximise total return. The Fund invests globally at least 70% of its total assets in the equity securities of companies whose predominant economic activity is in the exploration, development, production and distribution of energy.

Invesco Energy Fund (USD) A
Investment Objective
The Fund aims to provide long-term capital growth by investing at least 70% of its total assets (without taking into account ancillary liquid assets) in an international portfolio of energy stocks, which include major oil companies, energy services, natural gas infrastructure companies and oil and gas exploration and production companies, as well as companies developing alternative energy sources.

and others as in the attached picture

btw,...
Q: Can I open an account?

A: Yes. You would go through the same account opening steps as all Hong Kong investors. At the end, print out the form, sign it, and send it in to us together with a photocopy of your Passport and other documents.
http://www.fundsupermart.com.hk/hk/main/faq/faq.svdo?id=6210

I think there are MORE and BETTER options (not to forget the lower costs) in ETFs...
go seek them out
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China PMI slipped to 50.1, 18-months low

China December factory PMIs suggest economy cooling further, more stimulus expected

URL: http://finance.yahoo.com/news/china-decemb...-054014970.html

Tomorrow first trading day of 2015 could be bloody!

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China PMI slipped to 50.1, 18-months low

Tomorrow first trading day of 2015 could be bloody!
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Bad news = stimulus = free money = stock market booster pill whistling.gif
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Bad news = stimulus = free money = stock market booster pill whistling.gif
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Of course market is expecting greater stimulus from the Chinese government but Chinese government may not listen to this tune as their master plan is to perform economic re-balance by tolerating slower growth.

They may concentrate on light stimulus or targeted stimulus.
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Of course market is expecting greater stimulus from the Chinese government but Chinese government may not listen to this tune as their master plan is to perform economic re-balance by tolerating slower growth.

They may concentrate on light stimulus or targeted stimulus.
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China market still offers good growth potential! Buy! biggrin.gif

Just updated my portfolio with November fact sheets from CIMB-Principal and Eastspring Investments (Affin Hwang and Aberdeen Islamic yet to publish their November fact sheets shakehead.gif )...

CIMB Global Titans deployed most of their cash during November, now my US+Europe+Japan equity exposure have increased to 30% (finally!).

My current equity funds allocation:

31% Eastspring Investments Global Emerging Markets

17% Hwang Select Asia Quantum
8% Hwang Select Opportunity
11% CIMB Asia Pacific Dynamic Income

17% Aberdeen Islamic World Equity
16% CIMB Global Titans

As at 30th December valuation, my UT portfolio gained 4.6% (only doh.gif ) during 2014.

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An interesting point to note - fund size of CIMB Asia Pac Dynamite Income have gone up to...RM1 BILLION sweat.gif

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What was the fund size previously?
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WOAH 1 billion?
Any fund reached there, kecuali CMF
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Jan 1 2015, 09:06 PM)
hmm.gif

*wear FSM hat*

China market still offers good growth potential! Buy! biggrin.gif

Just updated my portfolio with November fact sheets from CIMB-Principal and Eastspring Investments (Affin Hwang and Aberdeen Islamic yet to publish their November fact sheets shakehead.gif )...

CIMB Global Titans deployed most of their cash during November, now my US+Europe+Japan equity exposure have increased to 30% (finally!).

My current equity funds allocation:

31% Eastspring Investments Global Emerging Markets

17% Hwang Select Asia Quantum
8% Hwang Select Opportunity
11% CIMB Asia Pacific Dynamic Income

17% Aberdeen Islamic World Equity
16% CIMB Global Titans

As at 30th December valuation, my UT portfolio gained 4.6% (only doh.gif ) during 2014.

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An interesting point to note - fund size of CIMB Asia Pac Dynamite Income have gone up to...RM1 BILLION sweat.gif
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Can I ask why you choose HSO instead of KGF?? Mind I asking, trying to learn..

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Can I ask why you choose HSO instead of KGF?? Mind I asking, trying to learn..
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Flexibility of the fund mandate to invest up to 30% of its NAV outside bolehland.
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Can I ask why you choose HSO instead of KGF?? Mind I asking, trying to learn..
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1. Same fund house as Ponzi 1.0, so can switch freely
2. Can invest up to 30% offshore. KGF cannot, 100% Bolehland

David83 previously RM700+ million

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Jan 1 2015, 10:18 PM)
1. Same fund house as Ponzi 1.0, so can switch freely in between
2. Can invest up to 30% offshore. KGF cannot, 100% Bolehland
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Should i move all my KGF there? hmm.gif hmm.gif
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1. Same fund house as Ponzi 1.0, so can switch freely in between
2. Can invest up to 30% offshore. KGF cannot, 100% Bolehland
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Surprisingly it's EPF approved for EPF MIS.
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QUOTE(David83 @ Jan 1 2015, 10:19 PM)
Surprisingly it's EPF approved for EPF MIS.
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The 30% cap is due to wanting to comply with EPF regulations!

Another similar fund would be RHB-OSK Equity Trust but cannot get into EPF MIS, cos it invests up to 50% in Asia ex Japan.

EPF cap is 30% offshore.

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Jan 1 2015, 10:22 PM)
The 30% cap is due to wanting to comply with EPF regulations!

Another similar fund would be RHB-OSK Equity Trust but cannot get into EPF MIS, cos it invests up to 50% in Asia ex Japan.
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I thought EPF MIS approved fund must be 100% in bolehland. Did they relax that requirement recently?
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QUOTE(woonsc @ Jan 1 2015, 10:19 PM)
Should i move all my KGF there?  hmm.gif  hmm.gif
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I thought EPF MIS approved fund must be 100% in bolehland. Did they relax that requirement recently?
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Hwang Select Opportunity is approved for EPF MIS for YEARS already lo!
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Jan 1 2015, 10:24 PM)
Aku taktau tongue.gif
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Gonna try to re balance this year LOL..

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Happy New Year everyone.. Let's make more money in 2015!!
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QUOTE(yklooi @ Dec 31 2014, 10:03 PM)
mad.gif just checked....My Hw Syariah PRS fund.....YTD profits NOT enough to cover the annual PPA fees. doh.gif
this horse was good till July....
anyway, if got time, planning to go to their Penang office to do the topping up next few days...
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Why need to go to their office? Why not do online?

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QUOTE(Kaka23 @ Jan 2 2015, 12:15 AM)
Why need to go to their office?  Why not do online?
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try see pretty "cha bor/len loiu" there brows.gif ...see got free new year gifts or not... blush.gif
plan to sell of my Bal fd there too
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QUOTE(yklooi @ Jan 2 2015, 04:29 AM)
try see pretty "cha bor/len loiu" there  brows.gif ...see got free new year gifts or not... blush.gif
plan to sell of my Bal fd there too
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http://www.marketwatch.com/story/new-year-...ome_latest_news

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For stock investors, 2014 was a good teacher. The key takeaway: patience and diversification are rewarded.

Yet frankly, patience and diversification are the market’s top lessons every year. Welcome to Investing 101: rebalance a diversified portfolio regularly; keep a long-term perspective, don’t pile on risk if you need money soon.

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QUOTE(yklooi @ Dec 31 2014, 09:03 PM)
mad.gif just checked....My Hw Syariah PRS fund.....YTD profits NOT enough to cover the annual PPA fees. doh.gif
this horse was good till July....
anyway, if got time, planning to go to their Penang office to do the topping up next few days...
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Are you from Penang? Going to their annual fair next Saturday? maybe we can meet up.
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Are you from Penang? Going to their annual fair next Saturday? maybe we can meet up.
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I'm attending also.
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Cash Management Fund rate keeps going up and up. Seems kind of hard to justify holding on to REITs with net yields of around 5% if this keeps up.
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Hello all the sifus. I'm a newbie. Mind me asking, why PM funds are not available in FSM?

And, any recommended PRS?

Thanks! smile.gif
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Hello all the sifus. I'm a newbie. Mind me asking, why PM funds are not available in FSM?

And, any recommended PRS?

Thanks! smile.gif
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Market share competition and since PM is thr largest UT company. They won't mind or need FSM to distribute the funds at discounted SC.

As for the PRS fund, I'll recommend CIMB Principal Asia ex Japan fund.
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Will malaysia market ever recover kah? These few weeks seem flat only
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Cash Management Fund rate keeps going up and up. Seems kind of hard to justify holding on to REITs with net yields of around 5% if this keeps up.
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REIT not only yield but should also look at the appreciation of the price itself.
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QUOTE(wankongyew @ Jan 2 2015, 10:39 PM)
Cash Management Fund rate keeps going up and up. Seems kind of hard to justify holding on to REITs with net yields of around 5% if this keeps up.
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3.68% now sweat.gif

But REITs can enjoy potential capital appreciation lar, esp those like IGBREIT and KLCC, cos they can increase rental faster than rise of expenses.
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Jan 1 2015, 10:06 PM)
hmm.gif

*wear FSM hat*

China market still offers good growth potential! Buy! biggrin.gif

Just updated my portfolio with November fact sheets from CIMB-Principal and Eastspring Investments (Affin Hwang and Aberdeen Islamic yet to publish their November fact sheets shakehead.gif )...

CIMB Global Titans deployed most of their cash during November, now my US+Europe+Japan equity exposure have increased to 30% (finally!).

My current equity funds allocation:

31% Eastspring Investments Global Emerging Markets

17% Hwang Select Asia Quantum
8% Hwang Select Opportunity
11% CIMB Asia Pacific Dynamic Income

17% Aberdeen Islamic World Equity
16% CIMB Global Titans

As at 30th December valuation, my UT portfolio gained 4.6% (only doh.gif ) during 2014.

» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «


An interesting point to note - fund size of CIMB Asia Pac Dynamite Income have gone up to...RM1 BILLION sweat.gif
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Is it a right move to invest in cimb pac dynamite income for me?
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Is it a right move to invest in cimb pac dynamite  income for me?
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I'm planning to buy CIMB-Principal PRS Plus Asia Pacific Ex Japan Equity - Class C this month.

It feeds to CIMB APDIF too!
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I am investing unit trust thru FSM too, but currently cash out for stock market. RHB-OSK Asian Income Fund is good.
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As for me I am under weighting my M'sia equity exposure. The downward pressure in oil price increases its downside risk.

I am putting my money into India (cheap oil price will be beneficial to an oil importing country like India) & US (to catch on its upward price momentum).

I am also increasing my REITs exposure and a low volatility Asia-Pac x-Jp equities which forms my core portfolio.

NB: India and US is part of my satellite portfolio and is mainly to generate alpha.

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Investment Strategies for 2015
As for the portfolio, we recommend keeping the US investments to diversify the portfolio risk, but investors can consider selling US equity fund units which excess the initial target allocation and buying into a 5.0 star—very attractive—market, such as the Asia ex-Japan market.
In addition, Japan’s monetary easing policy has resulted in a further depreciation of the yen, leading to higher upside potentials for local stocks. That’s why earlier we upgraded Japan’s star rating to 3.0 stars—attractive. However, the yen’s continuing depreciation will harm investment returns after currency exchange, so investors can consider switch-selling their yen-denominated Japanese funds to USD-hedged Japanese funds.

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Hello all the sifus. I'm a newbie. Mind me asking, why PM funds are not available in FSM?

And, any recommended PRS?

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Mainly because they wanted to protect their agents. By not allowing their products to be sold elsewhere, it makes their products more exclusive to their agents rather just being somewhere else at random. Also it creates better incentives for PM agents to continue tying themselves with them rather than becoming an independent unit trust consultant.

And of course, their market share is already big mainly due to being so long in the market though their fund performance is mainly average I would say.

I would really recommend PRS but bear in mind it's main focus is for retirement. It is best to have multiple types on investment which focuses on different financial objectives. Bear in mind, PRS is less flexible in comparison to other forms of investment.

Set PRS as a vehicle to reach your objectives of retirement. In recommending funds to choose, it mainly depends on your current investment as different PRS providers have different sales charge (some with none), while some with sales charge gave pretty decent returns. Do pm me if you need help.

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http://www.ppa.my/ppa/member-services/prs-transactions/

For PRs only right?
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Cannot be waived for 2nd year onwards.

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QUOTE(David83 @ Jan 4 2015, 04:44 PM)
Cannot be waived for 2nd year onwards.
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Bro.. you reply almost every time of the day. You doing it through smartphone or laptop? Hehe....
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Bro.. you reply almost every time of the day. You doing it through smartphone or laptop? Hehe....
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Combination of both.

This is the life of an otaku!
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Pink Spider For yearly ROI calculation, how do you factor out CMF portion?

If during the year, you sold off a fund, but you only reinvested part of the capital with the remaining in CMF?
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Pink Spider For yearly ROI calculation, how do you factor out CMF portion?

If during the year, you sold off a fund, but you only reinvested part of the capital with the remaining in CMF?
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I ignored CMF

most of the times when I dumped a fund or part of it, I will reinvest back in another fund almost immediately
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I wanted to share my portfolio update but EIEIF net distribution is not out yet. Can't compute the "actual" ROI and IRR.
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Can someone explain the dividend of Eastsprings Small Cap Fund to me? Whats the difference between distribution and dividend yield?

http://mrem.bernama.com/viewsm.php?idm=23632


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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Jan 5 2015, 01:26 PM)
Can someone explain the dividend of Eastsprings Small Cap Fund to me? Whats the difference between distribution and dividend yield?

http://mrem.bernama.com/viewsm.php?idm=23632
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Ignore distribution YIELD, that term is (quite) misleading and meaningless

In fact, gross distribution AMOUNT also meaningless, u only concerned about net distribution amount

Your holdings (no. of units) x net distribution amount = amount of distribution u get

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Jan 5 2015, 01:31 PM)
Ignore distribution YIELD, that term is (quite) misleading and meaningless

In fact, gross distribution AMOUNT also meaningless, u only concerned about net distribution amount

Your holdings (no. of units) x net distribution amount = amount of distribution u get
So whats the difference between gross and net distribution? FOr ES SC, the gross distribution is 4.26 sen.
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So whats the difference between gross and net distribution? FOr ES SC, the gross distribution is 4.26 sen.
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Jan 5 2015, 11:19 AM)
I ignored CMF

most of the times when I dumped a fund or part of it, I will reinvest back in another fund almost immediately
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Thanks.

Btw, why you still holding DiGi? At current level DY should be below you wanted right?
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Thanks.

Btw, why you still holding DiGi? At current level DY should be below you wanted right?
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Left very small holding %

GST come in, IF as expected pass to customers, will see earnings increase

Hold and see lor
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Jan 5 2015, 02:02 PM)
Left very small holding %

GST come in, IF as expected pass to customers, will see earnings increase

Hold and see lor
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Ahh, okay. Trying to hunt for some good DY stocks to invest. Just moved part of my FD into CMF to get better rates.
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Ahh, okay. Trying to hunt for some good DY stocks to invest. Just moved part of my FD into CMF to get better rates.
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Jan 5 2015, 02:21 PM)
Homer sudah beli? brows.gif
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Haha. I know Homer is like your mistress now. Love till hangus tongue.gif
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Fund ROI (%) IRR (%)
Affin Hwang PRS Moderate Fund 6.1 5.3
Kenanga OnePRS Growth Fund -4.1 -22.9
Aberdeen Islamic World Equity Fund - Class A 23.6 11.4
Affin Hwang Select Asia (Ex Japan) Quantum Fund 6.3 4.3
CIMB-Principal Asia Pacific Dynamic Income Fund 22.3 12.3
CIMB-Principal Global Titans Fund 10 11.6
Eastspring Investments Asia Pacific Ex-Japan Target Return Fund -0.5 -2.8
Eastspring Investments Equity Income Fund -6.3 -12
Kenanga Growth Fund -1.2 -2
RHB-OSK-GS US Equity Fund 11.4 63.4
TOTAL 6.20% 3.10%

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QUOTE(TakoC @ Jan 5 2015, 02:20 PM)
Ahh, okay. Trying to hunt for some good DY stocks to invest. Just moved part of my FD into CMF to get better rates.
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May I ask why would you move FD to CMF when FD is giving higher rates? (besides having more liquidity - but if liquidity is what you're after you prob wont put too much into FD in the first place right?)

I am comparing based on the promo FD rates and not the FD board rates. Everyone knows the board FD rates are shit.

The highest FD rate as of now is 4.5% (3 years Ambank) while almost every other bank is giving at least 4% on promotion FDs ranging from 9 months to 2 years. CMF is only ~3.7% ?

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QUOTE(jedibakat @ Jan 6 2015, 12:01 AM)
May I ask why would you move FD to CMF when FD is giving higher rates? (besides having more liquidity - but if liquidity is what you're after you prob wont put too much into FD in the first place right?)

I am comparing based on the promo FD rates and not the FD board rates. Everyone knows the board FD rates are shit.

The highest FD rate as of now is 4.5% (3 years Ambank) while almost every other bank is giving at least 4% on promotion FDs ranging from 9 months to 2 years. CMF is only ~3.7% ?
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Well, firstly my FD is originally a place merely to temporary keep my cash until I have stocks to invest in. But I foresee myself staying out of stock market for he year (first 5 days of trading is an indication for KLCI for the rest of the year for me). Currently 2 out of that 5 is red.

I'm not sure about the promotions FDs as I do not follow closely. All my FDs are placed online to allow me to uplift them easily. 3.7% is kind of a good deal for me considering some DY stocks only give an average 4% now with potential capital downside risk. Not too shabby I would say.
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Malaysian state fund 1MDb fails to repay RM2 billion loan, chief executive replaced: reports
PUBLISHED ON JAN 6, 2015 10:06 AM

Debt-laden state investment company 1Malaysia Development Bhd (1MDB) has failed for a second time to pay a RM2 billion (S$753 million) loan to local lenders due on Dec31 last year, The Edge financial daily reported on Tuesday.

It quoted sources as saying 1MDB has now been given until January 30 to settle the debt that was originally due on Nov 30, 2014. Malayan Banking (Maybank) and RHB Bank are the lead lenders.

- See more at: http://www.straitstimes.com/news/business/...h.clKgfWue.dpuf

hmm.gif must go check the prospectus of my funds to see if it got holdings in these 2 banks.... sweat.gif

Maybank has 58.99% of the RM2 billion loan while RHB has 32.41%. The other lenders are Alliance Investment Bank Bhd (4.06%), Malaysia Building Society Bhd (3.24%) and Hwang DBS Investment Bhd (1.29%).
http://www.msn.com/en-my/money/topstories/...d=mailsignoutmd

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Prepare for a huge bolehland drop today. Almost all indices are below -1% today...
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Just wondering (especially the regulars), the fair next saturday... is it remotely informative or waste of time and vague outlook by fund managers?





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Just wondering (especially the regulars), the fair next saturday... is it remotely informative or waste of time and vague outlook by fund managers?
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My feeling is, if u have been following FSM's articles on their website, basically nothing much new to take from their talks.
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My feeling is if you read and follow their article all this while, you too can speak and talk like a fund manager wink.gif

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Jan 6 2015, 02:14 PM)
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wanna ask... do unit trust have lot size like stocks blush.gif
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wanna ask... do unit trust have lot size like stocks  blush.gif
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u trolling? hmm.gif

UT...u cannot buy based on the published price, which is at least 1 business day behind - HISTORICAL PRICING

we buy and sell in RM or units

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Jan 6 2015, 02:48 PM)
u trolling? hmm.gif

UT...u cannot buy based on the published price, which is at least 1 business day behind - HISTORICAL PRICING

we buy and sell in RM or units
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Can just that such funds are rare. Normally money market funds.
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QUOTE(aurora97 @ Jan 6 2015, 04:01 PM)
Can just that such funds are rare. Normally money market funds.
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such as? can give example hmm.gif
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such as? can give example  hmm.gif
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Why historical, it’s probably the Fund’s underlying instrument consist of fixed published rates (overnight rate or fixed deposit or savings/current account). The change is so infrequent that it would not be practical to do forward pricing, more work for back office. NAV will probably remain constant most of the time.

Who would invest in UT that gives fixed return with such petty rates!? Well, don’t be surprised, there are actually companies willing to subscribe to such Funds. I believe they are called Cash Management Solutions. This corporate intend to squeeze the living juice out of their investment and make every dollar and cent work very hard. Wouldn’t make much different when your talking about 1million but the amount increases exponentially when it reaches 10m 100m and so on.

It pays slightly higher rates as opposed to keeping monies in a commercial bank i.e. savings/current. The main attraction is such income are non-taxable or exempt.

To add, normally this monies are operating expenditures require for day to day business, IPO proceeds or monies that are idle (which has not been allocated for any specific purpose), the other key reason why CMS is opted for because prices are pre-determined monies can be moved in and out of the funds with ease. Generally, the Client would expect to receive their monies next business day subject to cut-off times. This cannot be achieved by funds that are forward priced.

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Seems like lost communication here doh.gif
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No miscommunication. I did highlight in bold the subject of interest.

Btw, isn't funds forward priced?
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Why historical, it’s probably the Fund’s underlying instrument consist of fixed published rates (overnight rate or fixed deposit or savings/current account). The change is so infrequent that it would not be practical to do forward pricing, more work for back office. NAV will probably remain constant most of the time.

Who would invest in UT that gives fixed return with such petty rates!? Well, don’t be surprised, there are actually companies willing to subscribe to such Funds. I believe they are called Cash Management Solutions. This corporate intend to squeeze the living juice out of their investment and make every dollar and cent work very hard. Wouldn’t make much different when your talking about 1million but the amount increases exponentially when it reaches 10m 100m and so on.

It pays slightly higher rates as opposed to keeping monies in a commercial bank i.e. savings/current. The main attraction is such  income are non-taxable or exempt.

To add, normally this monies are operating expenditures require for day to day business, IPO proceeds or monies that are idle (which has not been allocated for any specific purpose), the other key reason why CMS is opted for because prices are pre-determined monies can be moved in and out of the funds with ease. Generally, the Client would expect to receive their monies next business day subject to cut-off times. This cannot be achieved by funds that are forward priced.
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Just my wrong choice of term; yeah UTs are forward priced save for the exception for some money market funds e.g. RHB-OSK Cash Management Fund 2.

The key point I was trying to convey was, don't bother about NAV price or number of units that u gonna get, it just ain't important at all. As long as your

RM / NAV = units

is correct, ok liao.
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QUOTE(adele123 @ Jan 6 2015, 01:47 PM)
Just wondering (especially the regulars), the fair next saturday... is it remotely informative or waste of time and vague outlook by fund managers?
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Jan 6 2015, 02:14 PM)
My feeling is, if u have been following FSM's articles on their website, basically nothing much new to take from their talks.
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QUOTE(xuzen @ Jan 6 2015, 02:27 PM)
My feeling is if you read and follow their article all this while, you too can speak and talk like a fund manager wink.gif

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WTI: 48.XX (below 50)
Brent: 51.XX (nearing 51)
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Looks bad on my portfolio...

IRR 3.47%
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QUOTE(Kaka23 @ Jan 6 2015, 07:50 PM)
Looks bad on my portfolio...

IRR 3.47%
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rclxms.gif well at least better than FD and still + and better than some people... notworthy.gif hmm.gif



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QUOTE(Kaka23 @ Jan 6 2015, 07:50 PM)
Looks bad on my portfolio...

IRR 3.47%
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Mine dropped to 2.7% as of today valuation!

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QUOTE(Kaka23 @ Jan 6 2015, 07:50 PM)
Looks bad on my portfolio...

IRR 3.47%
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QUOTE(David83 @ Jan 6 2015, 07:59 PM)
Mine dropped to 2.7% as of today valuation!
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My IRR now...5.14%

Wait, your IRR include or exclude CMF? If include CMF...mine 4.25%

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Not include CMF..

My peak IRR was like almost 6%.. It has drop quite significantly
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No CMF, no FD.

But got PRS.
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QUOTE(Kaka23 @ Jan 6 2015, 08:41 PM)
Not include CMF..

My peak IRR was like almost 6%.. It has drop quite significantly
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The last time I've seen >6% IRR was in 2013 blush.gif
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Has the income distribution for Eastsprings Small Cap Fund been credited yet?
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Has the income distribution for Eastsprings Small Cap Fund been credited yet?
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Topped up CIMB Global Titans and CIMB Asia Pac Dynamite Income with bonus!
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Jan 7 2015, 01:11 PM)
Topped up CIMB Global Titans and CIMB Asia Pac Dynamite Income with bonus!
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hmm.gif if i can remember, you mentioned "last year" you already preUSED your bonus for top up...
rclxms.gif wow, man with MANY source of bonuses!! rclxms.gif
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QUOTE(yklooi @ Jan 7 2015, 01:36 PM)
hmm.gif if i can remember, you mentioned "last year" you already preUSED your bonus for top up...
rclxms.gif wow, man with MANY source of bonuses!!  rclxms.gif
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big bos said...this year got SUPER bonus

he kept his words rclxms.gif thumbup.gif
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Jan 7 2015, 01:37 PM)
big bos said...this year got SUPER bonus

he kept his words rclxms.gif  thumbup.gif
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rclxms.gif Good for you... rclxm9.gif
Save some for the 0.5% SC promo next week? drool.gif
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QUOTE(yklooi @ Jan 7 2015, 01:46 PM)
rclxms.gif Good for you...  rclxm9.gif
Save some for the 0.5% SC promo next week?  drool.gif
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wait u share the SC discount voucher with me brows.gif ph34r.gif
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Jan 7 2015, 01:48 PM)
wait u share the SC discount voucher with me brows.gif  ph34r.gif
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if i can remember...last year (January one) no voucher....just discount on the participating funds for a few days.....
hmm.gif Wait and see on this Saturday whether FSM website got give SC discounts on some of the funds
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QUOTE(yklooi @ Jan 7 2015, 01:52 PM)
if i can remember...last year (January one) no voucher....just discount on the participating funds for a few days.....
hmm.gif Wait and see on this Saturday whether FSM website got give SC discounts on some of the funds
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Maybe this year they may implement promotional code voucher thingy!
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QUOTE(David83 @ Jan 7 2015, 02:01 PM)
Maybe this year they may implement promotional code voucher thingy!
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yayaya

I wait u share with me ar brows.gif
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sad.gif Same promo catch line

but i could be wrong

"LOWEST PROMOTION AT THE EVENT!

For investors who attend our event on 10 January 2015 and 17 January 2015, good news for you! Fundsupermart.com is offering 0.5% sales charge for all unit trusts from participating fund houses at the event, on both dates only. This means, 148 unit trusts are at 0.5% sales charge on 10 and 17 January 2015 from 10 participating fund houses which include Aberdeen, Affin Hwang Capital, AmInvest, Amanah Mutual, CIMB-Principal, Eastspring, Kenanga, Libra, Pheim and RHB Asset Management. Investors can place a purchase order on these event dates and ensure that payments reach us latest by 16 January 2015, 3pm (for Penang) and 23 January 2015, 3pm (for KL). For more information on this promotion, come to our event and ask our Fundsupermart team."
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Hey, I need help to answer my dad..

After sawing in the news about 1MDB defaulting on the loan, RHB Bank has a 32.41% on it.

He asked if RHB bank go bankrupt? and take down CMF ? As it's not insured by PIDM.

I really don't know the answer for this either, sorry for the noob Q.
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QUOTE(woonsc @ Jan 7 2015, 05:57 PM)
Hey, I need help to answer my dad..

After sawing in the news about 1MDB defaulting on the loan, RHB Bank has a 32.41% on it.

He asked if RHB bank go bankrupt? and take down CMF ? As it's not insured by PIDM.

I really don't know the answer for this either, sorry for the noob Q.
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hmm.gif print this article and show it to him?

Deputy Finance Minister Datuk Ahmad Maslan has conceded that the federal government will step in to meet the US$3 billion (RM10.02 billion) obligations of 1Malaysia Development Bhd (1MDB) under the letter of support it gave.

- See more at: http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/malaysi...h.XAnAXbh9.dpuf
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QUOTE(woonsc @ Jan 7 2015, 05:57 PM)
Hey, I need help to answer my dad..

After sawing in the news about 1MDB defaulting on the loan, RHB Bank has a 32.41% on it.

He asked if RHB bank go bankrupt? and take down CMF ? As it's not insured by PIDM.

I really don't know the answer for this either, sorry for the noob Q.
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Assets of unit trust funds are separated from assets of the fund management company. Remember your fund Trustee?
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Jan 7 2015, 06:15 PM)
Assets of unit trust funds are separated from assets of the fund management company. Remember your fund Trustee?
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To add.

There’s a lot of misconception just because the Fund is named after a particular FM, it is owned by that FM including everything (+liabilities) in it etc… That’s not true.

In a trust structure, the FM is merely employed to manage the Fund in return for a fee.

Another interesting fact to add on, the Fund is self-sustaining even if the trustee goes bust. Only downside, the accounts will be in a mess just like Lehman's when it went bust.

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Topped up CIMB Global Titans and CIMB Asia Pac Dynamite Income with bonus!
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QUOTE(aurora97 @ Jan 7 2015, 06:31 PM)
To add.

There’s a lot of misconception just because the Fund is named after a particular FM, it is owned by that FM including everything (+liabilities) in it etc… That’s not true.

In a trust structure, the FM is merely employed to manage the Fund in return for a fee.

Another interesting fact to add on, the Fund is self-sustaining even if the trustee goes bust. Only downside, the accounts will be in a mess just like Lehman's when it went bust.
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Its not that easy for a fund to go "bust" or fraud, 3 parties have to screw up for it to happen - the fund manager, Trustee and the auditors.
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QUOTE(Kaka23 @ Jan 7 2015, 06:36 PM)
Why la not wait till the FSM fair just top up?
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QUOTE(yklooi @ Jan 7 2015, 06:11 PM)
hmm.gif print this article and show it to him?

Deputy Finance Minister Datuk Ahmad Maslan has conceded that the federal government will step in to meet the US$3 billion (RM10.02 billion) obligations of 1Malaysia Development Bhd (1MDB) under the letter of support it gave.

- See more at: http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/malaysi...h.XAnAXbh9.dpuf
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Thanks Haha.. even after i know, FM is not liable to the UT..

QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Jan 7 2015, 06:15 PM)
Assets of unit trust funds are separated from assets of the fund management company. Remember your fund Trustee?
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QUOTE(aurora97 @ Jan 7 2015, 06:31 PM)
To add.

There’s a lot of misconception just because the Fund is named after a particular FM, it is owned by that FM including everything (+liabilities) in it etc… That’s not true.

In a trust structure, the FM is merely employed to manage the Fund in return for a fee.

Another interesting fact to add on, the Fund is self-sustaining even if the trustee goes bust. Only downside, the accounts will be in a mess just like Lehman's when it went bust.
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You all are so helpful
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Jan 7 2015, 07:09 PM)
Its not that easy for a fund to go "bust" or fraud, 3 parties have to screw up for it to happen - the fund manager,  Trustee and the auditors.
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Actually Fund Manager already enough.

Like SJ Asset Management and Meridian are all examples.

Trustee follow "almost" blindly, if don't follow later kena ask to resign LOL. Auditors? Setahun sekali... by the time auditors come in, the fund manager already long gone disappear. Only thing left to do is to calculate how much the Fund lost!
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https://www.facebook.com/Politicalgag/photo...?type=1&theater

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Was trolled when i saw this, just sharing tongue.gif
https://www.facebook.com/Politicalgag/photo...?type=1&theater
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Market Updates & Know-How Workshop In Sabah & Johor Bahru....Date: 24 January 2015 (Saturday)
We believe investors are interested to know about the market outlook for year 2015 before they start investing. Hence, we have decided to conduct a Market Outlook Workshop in Sabah and Johor Bahru. You are cordially invited to join us. Author : Fundsupermart.com
http://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/resea...?articleNo=5408

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Top Markets 2014: (in SGD terms)
Emerging Markets At The Top & Bottom of the Performance Ladder
While 2013 was the year of the developed markets, 2014 saw more modest (in the case of the US) and muted returns for them, where emerging markets like India and Indonesia were the top performers.

https://secure.fundsupermart.com/main/artic...ce-Ladder-10009
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QUOTE(woonsc @ Jan 7 2015, 07:35 PM)
Was trolled when i saw this, just sharing tongue.gif
https://www.facebook.com/Politicalgag/photo...?type=1&theater
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feed your car Milo ais...car boleh terbang yo laugh.gif

minum milo anda jadi sihat dan kuat tongue.gif

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Assuming super paranoia mood.

My 1-month FD giving 3.55% (effective rate about 3.6%) but CMF is already giving 3.71%…

What’s the only reason to NOT move?

PIDM? All hell break loose? Putting too much money with FSM? Laziness?

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QUOTE(adele123 @ Jan 8 2015, 11:35 AM)
Assuming super paranoia mood.

My 1-month FD giving 3.55% (effective rate about 3.6%) but CMF is already giving 3.71%…

What’s the only reason to NOT move?

PIDM? All hell break loose? Putting too much money with FSM? Laziness?
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Which bank 1-M give 3.55%?
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QUOTE(adele123 @ Jan 8 2015, 11:35 AM)
Assuming super paranoia mood.

My 1-month FD giving 3.55% (effective rate about 3.6%) but CMF is already giving 3.71%…

What’s the only reason to NOT move?

PIDM? All hell break loose? Putting too much money with FSM? Laziness?
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haha unless RHB go Bankrupt. whistling.gif
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Jan 8 2015, 11:36 AM)
Which bank 1-M give 3.55%?
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QUOTE(adele123 @ Jan 8 2015, 11:35 AM)
Assuming super paranoia mood.

My 1-month FD giving 3.55% (effective rate about 3.6%) but CMF is already giving 3.71%

What’s the only reason to NOT move?

PIDM? All hell break loose? Putting too much money with FSM? Laziness?
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hmm.gif this 3.71% can move up and down without notice wor.....in FD at least you know the expected outcome upon maturity.
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Rates volatile lately, I'd rather not lock down my rates in FD now

Keep FD to minimum, CMF at 3.7% now is very attractive
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Shane Oliver is saying, BUY on dip! tongue.gif

http://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/artic...0Jan%202015.pdf

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2014 Top And Bottom Equity Funds: India And Indonesia Equity Funds Rise On Political Effect

The Russian-Ukraine conflict, US tapering, European Central Bank (ECB) loose monetary policies, global selloff and oil price rout – these are some of the hot headlines that dominated the financial markets in 2014. While there were hiccups throughout 2014, global equity market as a whole managed to deliver decent return for investors, with the MSCI All Country World Index posting a 10.14% return in 2014. Within the developed market space, the US equities continue their strong performance amidst a strengthening economy, delivering a full year return of 20.03% for 2014. On the other hand, equities in both Europe and Japan have spluttered for much of 2014 on slowing global growth, with the former registering a loss of -2.45% and the latter inched marginally by 0.09%.

In the Asia ex-Japan region, political change, structural reforms and pro-growth government policies have contributed significantly to rallies in some of the stock markets such as India (35.60%) and Indonesia (27.97%), resulting in funds invested in these countries delivering outstanding returns in 2014.

The KLCI Index, which tracks the 30 largest companies in Malaysia in term of market capitalisation, saw a fairly flattish performance in the early part of the year, and experienced sharp declines towards the end of 2014 owing to the sharp decline in oil prices, resulting in the KLCI Index recording a loss of -5.66%. Likewise, the small cap segment of the Malaysia equity market was not spared, with the FBM Small Cap Index delivering a loss of -4.20%.

CONCLUSION

Looking ahead, equity markets are expected to fare better due to the continued availability of liquidity in the global market as well as an improving economic environment moving forward. As the Fed is expected to raise interest rates as early as the second half of 2015, we believe that equity markets should continue to perform as the equity asset class tends to perform better in rising yield environment, which tend to represent an environment of improving economic growth.

As part of our continued efforts to urge local investors to venture overseas, we advise local investors to consider exposure to the Asia ex-Japan and Emerging Markets regions as they present more attractive investment opportunities than the Malaysia market with their attractive fundamental valuations. Investors should also consider having a globally-diversified portfolio to tap into opportunities across the globe as well as to achieve diversification purposes.

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Jan 8 2015, 11:45 AM)
Rates volatile lately, I'd rather not lock down my rates in FD now

Keep FD to minimum, CMF at 3.7% now is very attractive
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QUOTE(pisces88 @ Jan 8 2015, 07:07 PM)
yes, use the money whack digi n AFG better  brows.gif
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AFG...not attractive to add, but good to hold
Banking...I'm looking at AmBank now

DiGi ar...drop back to around 5.90 baru tell me tongue.gif
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Jan 8 2015, 08:52 PM)
AFG...not attractive to add, but good to hold
Banking...I'm looking at AmBank now

DiGi ar...drop back to around 5.90 baru tell me tongue.gif
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Can i ask how do u estimate the growth rates to get that TP? rclxub.gif
Still can't get a source to teach me to find the intrinsic value.. notworthy.gif
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Can i ask how do u estimate the growth rates to get that TP?  rclxub.gif
Still can't get a source to teach me to find the intrinsic value..  notworthy.gif
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I'm all about P/E (compare to a company's peers) and dividend yield
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Jan 8 2015, 09:30 PM)
I'm all about P/E (compare to a company's peers) and dividend yield
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I see.. Is that it?
Do you use Discounted Cash Flow Analysis?

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I see.. Is that it?
Do you use Discounted Cash Flow Analysis?
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Jan 8 2015, 09:45 PM)
I skipped the DCF analysis question on my exam paper sleep.gif
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shocking.gif shocking.gif shocking.gif Sifu, so PE among peers and Dy% is ur main points to choose a stock?
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QUOTE(woonsc @ Jan 8 2015, 09:46 PM)
shocking.gif  shocking.gif  shocking.gif  Sifu, so PE among peers and Dy% is ur main points to choose a stock?
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1. I no sifu
2. P/E comparison
3. Dividend yield
4. Strength (as I perceive it to be) of its brands/businesses, the qualitative side of things
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1. I no sifu
2. P/E comparison
3. Dividend yield
4. Strength (as I perceive it to be) of its brands/businesses, the qualitative side of things
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nod.gif okay haha.. thanks dai gor then..
I will ask more if ada Q.. biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(woonsc @ Jan 8 2015, 10:09 PM)
nod.gif  okay haha.. thanks dai gor then..
I will ask more if ada Q.. biggrin.gif
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Ask at Traders Kopitiam or Stock Investment Corner lagi baik la, there are real sifus biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Jan 8 2015, 10:10 PM)
Ask at Traders Kopitiam or Stock Investment Corner lagi baik la, there are real sifus biggrin.gif
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i do follow them, haha Like Boon Gark Sky Bone..
But all so big plays.. I prefer stable & DY stocks..
Your investing style similar also kan?.. icon_rolleyes.gif

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QUOTE(adele123 @ Jan 8 2015, 11:35 AM)
Assuming super paranoia mood.

My 1-month FD giving 3.55% (effective rate about 3.6%) but CMF is already giving 3.71%…

What’s the only reason to NOT move?

PIDM? All hell break loose? Putting too much money with FSM? Laziness?
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UOB offers 3.85 for 3 months, so the 3.6% is not really a big deal if you have more than 10k & dont mind the 3 mths term hmm.gif
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QUOTE(woonsc @ Jan 8 2015, 09:33 PM)
I see.. Is that it?
Do you use Discounted Cash Flow Analysis?
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I tried DCFA before, but found it impractical, as we have to make many assumptions. Many of those assumptions will eventually turn out to be wrong. Well, maybe DCFA is more suitable for stable companies which don't change much.

QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Jan 8 2015, 10:08 PM)
grumble.gif

1. I no sifu
2. P/E comparison
3. Dividend yield
4. Strength (as I perceive it to be) of its brands/businesses, the qualitative side of things
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PEG? Cash in hand?

OK, looking to open an FSM account, as I can't find cheap stocks in Bursa.
- what documents required?
- what other thing to be aware of?

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Jan 8 2015, 10:08 PM)
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1. I no sifu
2. P/E comparison
3. Dividend yield
4. Strength (as I perceive it to be) of its brands/businesses, the qualitative side of things
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Seafood,
you got any excel template for stock recording?
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QUOTE(river.sand @ Jan 9 2015, 09:09 AM)
I tried DCFA before, but found it impractical, as we have to make many assumptions. Many of those assumptions will eventually turn out to be wrong. Well, many DCFA is more suitable for stable companies which don't change much.
PEG? Cash in hand?

OK, looking to open an FSM account, as I can't find cheap stocks in Bursa.
- what documents required?
- what other thing to be aware of?
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PEG, yes. Cash and gearing level too, but just glance thru, didn't do detailed analysis.

Go FSM website click register new account.
Fill up form online, print it out and sign.
E-mail/fax/post the signed form + photocopy of your IC.
That's all.

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QUOTE(zDarkForceSz @ Jan 9 2015, 09:25 AM)
Seafood,
you got any excel template for stock recording?
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I use template like this to analyse financial results:

user posted image
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PEG, yes. Cash and gearing level too, but just glance thru, didn't do detailed analysis.

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icon_question.gif icon_question.gif how you get your entry/exit level target?
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So pro.. i wanna learn.. notworthy.gif notworthy.gif
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icon_question.gif  icon_question.gif  how you get your entry/exit level target?
shocking.gif  shocking.gif
So pro.. i wanna learn..  notworthy.gif  notworthy.gif
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Repeat repeat n repeat mad.gif

Relative PE and DY lo vmad.gif
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Repeat repeat n repeat mad.gif

Relative PE and DY lo vmad.gif
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will try out this year.. tongue.gif
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Jan 9 2015, 09:38 AM)
I use template like this to analyse financial results:

user posted image
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Thanks seafood~
My problem is with PBT. Need to flip more books...

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Apa Excel...I already laid the formula bare there for u doh.gif
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anyone can share any IRR template? And how to use

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anyone can share any IRR template? And how to use
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try see post#1....at the bottom there is a link....to download or
read post#114 at page 6 by j.passing.by

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No Life reporting in this thread on today's seminar in PG? tongue.gif

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0.5% sales charge today... Where should I start?
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QUOTE(Silver Isle @ Jan 10 2015, 01:48 PM)
0.5% sales charge today... Where should I start?
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Built a portfolio...
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0.5% sales charge today... Where should I start?
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Ya wor...everything is on 0.5% SC today drool.gif
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Till what time the promotion finish today?
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FSM wrote "during the event".

So, I think during the actual event...til 5-6pm today?

Summon David83
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I just make a small top up around 2pm, surprisingly the PO number only reach ...103. So little people make use of the 0.5% promotion ???
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QUOTE(birdman13200 @ Jan 10 2015, 05:08 PM)
I just make a small top up around 2pm, surprisingly the PO number only reach ...103. So little people make use of the 0.5% promotion ???
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Tonight top up still can get 0.5%?
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I just make a small top up around 2pm, surprisingly the PO number only reach ...103. So little people make use of the 0.5% promotion ???
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But not all the funds are at 0.5% it seems, non of my funds are at 0.5% laugh.gif Maybe time to expand my portfolio laugh.gif Now need to check which fund to buy doh.gif
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QUOTE(infernoaswen @ Jan 10 2015, 04:25 PM)
But not all the funds are at 0.5% it seems, non of my funds are at 0.5%  laugh.gif Maybe time to expand my portfolio  laugh.gif Now need to check which fund to buy  doh.gif
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Yea, not all, only participating fund houses.
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QUOTE(birdman13200 @ Jan 10 2015, 04:08 PM)
I just make a small top up around 2pm, surprisingly the PO number only reach ...103. So little people make use of the 0.5% promotion ???
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Saturday ppl teman family or girlfriend...only ppl with no social life (like me doh.gif ) stick around the computer thinking about finances tongue.gif
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Jan 10 2015, 05:32 PM)
Saturday ppl teman family or girlfriend...only ppl with no social life (like me doh.gif ) stick around the computer thinking about finances tongue.gif
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No need computer Ma. Smart phone also can.

I am now on the bed for my afternoon nap also reply you.. 😜
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Now which region can top up. Everyone still high in valuation..
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QUOTE(TakoC @ Jan 10 2015, 05:05 PM)
Now which region can top up. Everyone still high in valuation..
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If u ask me, HK Singapore and Australia...i.e. Asia Pacific ex Japan tongue.gif
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FSM this year theme: Asia ex Japan, China

RHB-OSK: ASEAN

AmInvest: REIT outside Malaysia

Kenanga: Pessimistic on Malaysia

FSM: Neutral on US and Europe

Nikko (external manager for Affin Hwang): Japan

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QUOTE(David83 @ Jan 10 2015, 06:12 PM)
FSM this year theme: Asia ex Japan, China

RHB-OSK: ASEAN

AmInvest: REIT outside Malaysia

Kenanga: Pessimistic on Malaysia

FSM: Neutral on US and Europe

Nikko (external manager for Affin Hwang): Japan
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Hi

I m in KL now. can i buy now in KL and eligible for 0.5%? kindly advise. tq
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QUOTE(prince_mk98 @ Jan 10 2015, 06:23 PM)
Hi

I m in KL now. can i buy now in KL and eligible for 0.5%? kindly advise. tq
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yes, the FSM website has already posted 0.5% SC on participating fund houses.
select the fund you want, the see the posted SC if unsure which are the participating FH.
or read the FSM website about the seminar to determine which are the FH.
but was told ONLY till 12 midnight tonite and if you missed it then try again on 17 Jan.

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Since it doesn't require the voucher code, I don't think they have enough resources to track down your location.

All orders must be placed in FSM website by 12am midnight tonight!

I'm still headache on what to buy or top up? Top up Eastspring Investments Asia Pacific Ex-Japan Target Return Fund or buy Affin Hwang Japan Growth Fund?


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If you want me to vote for the best speaker, I'll nominate Mr Robin from Nikko and Datuk Steve from PPA.

If you want me to vote for the most entertaining spearker, I'll nominate Mr Andrew Wong/Ong from RHB-OSK and Datuk Steve from PPA.

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I think majority will get it!

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QUOTE(David83 @ Jan 10 2015, 06:44 PM)
I think majority will get it!
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Response not so gud?
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Response not so gud?
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QUOTE(David83 @ Jan 10 2015, 06:32 PM)
Since it doesn't require the voucher code, I don't think they have enough resources to track down your location.

All orders must be placed in FSM website by 12am midnight tonight!

I'm still headache on what to buy or top up? Top up Eastspring Investments Asia Pacific Ex-Japan Target Return Fund or buy Affin Hwang Japan Growth Fund?
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I also pening...still thinking which to buy. any suggestion for Foreign Equity funds coz I have mostly Msia focus.

Maybe these :

Affin Hwang Select Asia (Ex Japan) Quantum Fund (Asia Ex Japan)
Affin Hwang Japan Growth (Follow FMS focus in 2015??)


Top up in the existing funds I have?

Affin Hwang Select Dividend (Malaysia)
Eastspring Investment Equity Income. (Malaysia)

Haizz...let me dinner first. hope to hear frm sifu here

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QUOTE(prince_mk98 @ Jan 10 2015, 06:52 PM)
I also pening...still thinking which to buy. any suggestion for Foreign Equity funds coz I have mostly Msia focus.
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Aberdeen Islamic World Equity Fund
CIMB Principal Asia Pacific Dynamic Income Fund

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QUOTE(David83 @ Jan 10 2015, 06:54 PM)
Aberdeen Islamic World Equity Fund
CIMB Principal Asia Pacific Dynamic Income Fund
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I also wan the sales charge of 0.5% smile.gif

omg...now only I realized that Fundsupermart's Discounted Initial Sales Charge is 0.5%

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QUOTE(TakoC @ Jan 10 2015, 05:05 PM)
Now which region can top up. Everyone still high in valuation..
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Note - i assume you're not asking for DCA since if one DCA, one just "do it" rather than asking valuations
how about sector?
Energy - though be prepared to hold for 1 yr+ at least sweat.gif

Go in in 2 to 3 chunks / punts

Caveat emptor neh brows.gif

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QUOTE(prince_mk98 @ Jan 10 2015, 06:58 PM)
I also wan the sales charge of 0.5% smile.gif

omg...now only I realized that Fundsupermart's Discounted Initial Sales Charge is 0.5%
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That's only for fund houses participating in today's fair up to 12AM today

QUOTE(David83 @ Jan 10 2015, 06:32 PM)
I'm still headache on what to buy or top up? Top up Eastspring Investments Asia Pacific Ex-Japan Target Return Fund or buy Affin Hwang Japan Growth Fund?
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Got poisoned by Nikko/Affin Hwang to go into Japan? hmm.gif

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Jan 10 2015, 08:08 PM)
That's only for fund houses participating in today's fair up to 12AM today
Got poisoned by Nikko/Affin Hwang to go into Japan? hmm.gif
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Actually few months back, the FSM CIS also got recommend this fund.

Affin Hwang role in this fund is just managing the hedging while the stocks selection is performed by Nikko team at Japan.
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QUOTE(David83 @ Jan 10 2015, 08:14 PM)
Actually few months back, the FSM CIS also got recommend this fund.

Affin Hwang role in this fund is just managing the hedging while the stocks selection is performed by Nikko team at Japan.
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What do the talk say? Do Japan has a good potential this year?
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What do the talk say? Do Japan has a good potential this year?
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They're forecasting a potential upside of 15% using TOPIX valuation.

Abe Shinzo has 4 more years to execute his reform after landslide win in the December snap election.
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QUOTE(David83 @ Jan 10 2015, 08:39 PM)
They're forecasting a potential upside of 15% using TOPIX valuation.

Abe Shinzo has 4 more years to execute his reform after landslide win in the December snap election.
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blush.gif okay, might add a bit..
why is there no historical charts in FSM?
Is it a new fund?
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QUOTE(woonsc @ Jan 10 2015, 08:48 PM)
blush.gif  okay, might add a bit..
why is there no historical charts in FSM?
Is it a new fund?
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Yes. Launched in March 2014

There're few key notes to take:
1. Renewal of Abe term makes him has extra 4 years to make his structural reform
2. Close cooperation with BOJ allows Abe to accelerate economic reform easier
3. Infrastructure renewal (old building) and new high speed rail up to 500 kmph will boost economy
4. Tokyo 2020 Olympics is another factor to consider that will lift government spending
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QUOTE(David83 @ Jan 10 2015, 08:54 PM)
Yes. Launched in March 2014

There're few key notes to take:
1. Renewal of Abe term makes him has extra 4 years to make his structural reform
2. Close cooperation with BOJ allows Abe to accelerate economic reform easier
3. Infrastructure renewal (old building) and new high speed rail up to 500 kmph will boost economy
4. Tokyo 2020 Olympics is another factor to consider that will lift government spending
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laugh.gif but there is no certainty that the structural reform can work 100% tongue.gif
hahaha.. but no harm to have in in one's portfolio..
brows.gif brows.gif

March 2014, but no charts? or 1 week, 1 month, 3 months return? unsure.gif unsure.gif
shakehead.gif shakehead.gif i missed it
"Fund performance is not available for funds with a history of less than one year"

http://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/fundi...lnumber=MYHWSJQ

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I tried to top up but it states 1.5% wor...
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Maybe that fund you wanted to top up is not from participating fund houses.

I just topped up Eastspring Investments Asia Pacific Ex-Japan Target Return Fund and the SC is 0.5%

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QUOTE(David83 @ Jan 10 2015, 09:24 PM)
Maybe that fund you wanted to top up is not from participating fund houses.

I just topped up Eastspring Investments Asia Pacific Ex-Japan Target Return Fund and the SC is 0.5%
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Why are u having a fund with similar strategy/target markets as CIMB Asia Pac Dynamite Income?
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Jan 10 2015, 09:28 PM)
Why are u having a fund with similar strategy/target markets as CIMB Asia Pac Dynamite Income?
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Risk diversification as Mr Chen pointed out.

Even though similar mandate but strategy and stock selection could be different between fund houses.

I topped CIMB-Principal Asia Pacific Dynamic Income Fund last month.

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My Eastpsring Investment Small Cap fund losing (-6.5%)
RHB OSK Small Cap Opportunity also losing (- 6%)

Me Very tempted to top up.

Are the above 2 recommended UTs still good for DCA?
Thanks for prompt comment,
hoping to put purchase order before 12midnite.
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All the fund houses are putting on wait and see approach now for bolehland overlook. laugh.gif
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QUOTE(David83 @ Jan 10 2015, 09:46 PM)
All the fund houses are putting on wait and see approach now for bolehland overlook. laugh.gif
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since malaysia's main income is from petrol, doesn't look so good to malaysia gdp.. right?
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QUOTE(sonicbull @ Jan 10 2015, 09:48 PM)
since malaysia's main income is from petrol, doesn't look so good to malaysia gdp.. right?
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http://www.therakyatpost.com/business/2015...forecast-bursa/
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QUOTE(sonicbull @ Jan 10 2015, 09:48 PM)
since malaysia's main income is from petrol, doesn't look so good to malaysia gdp.. right?
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Kenanga speaker said that crude oil price dropped is not the main concern as crude oil export is not very big. He forecasted that crude oil may rebounce to USD 60-80 by 6-9 months time.


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the fund fact sheet page shows the service charge is 0.5% but when i click to buy it and got into the step 2, it shows service charge is 2.0%
anyone experience this?

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QUOTE(woonsc @ Jan 10 2015, 09:51 PM)
thanks for the info.

QUOTE(David83 @ Jan 10 2015, 09:51 PM)
Kenanga speaker said that crude oil price dropped is not the main concern as crude oil export is not very big. He forecasted that crude oil may rebounce to USD 60-80 by 6-9 months time.
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ic. thanks for the reply. did any speaker or during Q&A brought up the weakening ringgit against usd? or this is not a concern as well hmm.gif
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QUOTE(David83 @ Jan 10 2015, 09:24 PM)
Maybe that fund you wanted to top up is not from participating fund houses.

I just topped up Eastspring Investments Asia Pacific Ex-Japan Target Return Fund and the SC is 0.5%
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i just topped up that also, first it says FSM fee 0.5%, but after all done it shows 1.5%. In the email you receive is it 0.5% or 1.5%? mine is 1.5%.

und Name : RHB-OSK Cash Management Fund 2
Contract Number : SWS15001959
Redemption Method : Cheque / FPX / Fund Transfer
Number of units/amount : RM 15000.0
Redemption Fee : -
Transaction date : January 12, 2015
Switch-Buy
Fund Name : Eastspring Investments Asia Pacific Ex-Japan Target Return Fund
Contract Number : SWB15001959
Payment Method : Cheque / FPX / Fund Transfer
Investment Amount : To be determined
Fundsupermart Sales Charge : 1.5%
Transaction date : January 12, 2015

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QUOTE(sonicbull @ Jan 10 2015, 10:05 PM)
thanks for the info.
ic. thanks for the reply. did any speaker or during Q&A brought up the weakening ringgit against usd? or this is not a concern as well hmm.gif
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I can't remember but if my memory is strong enough, the speaker said that it has to do with outflow of foreign investor money especially huge amount of redemption in Malaysian bonds (government or corporate). The outflow of foreign investor money from Malaysia fixed income market is few folds larger than Malaysia equity market.

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QUOTE(guy3288 @ Jan 10 2015, 10:10 PM)
i just topped up that also, first it says FSM fee 0.5%, but after all done it shows 1.5%. In the email you receive is it 0.5% or 1.5%? mine is 1.5%.

und Name : RHB-OSK Cash Management Fund 2
Contract Number : SWS15001959
Redemption Method : Cheque / FPX / Fund Transfer
Number of units/amount : RM 15000.0
Redemption Fee : -
Transaction date : January 12, 2015
Switch-Buy
Fund Name : Eastspring Investments Asia Pacific Ex-Japan Target Return Fund
Contract Number : SWB15001959
Payment Method : Cheque / FPX / Fund Transfer
Investment Amount : To be determined
Fundsupermart Sales Charge : 1.5%
Transaction date : January 12, 2015
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Maybe it's because of Switch Sell from CMF.

Mine is a Cash transaction:

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QUOTE(guy3288 @ Jan 10 2015, 10:10 PM)
i just topped up that also, first it says FSM fee 0.5%, but after all done it shows 1.5%. In the email you receive is it 0.5% or 1.5%? mine is 1.5%.

und Name : RHB-OSK Cash Management Fund 2
Contract Number : SWS15001959
Redemption Method : Cheque / FPX / Fund Transfer
Number of units/amount : RM 15000.0
Redemption Fee : -
Transaction date : January 12, 2015
Switch-Buy
Fund Name : Eastspring Investments Asia Pacific Ex-Japan Target Return Fund
Contract Number : SWB15001959
Payment Method : Cheque / FPX / Fund Transfer
Investment Amount : To be determined
Fundsupermart Sales Charge : 1.5%
Transaction date : January 12, 2015
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QUOTE(David83 @ Jan 10 2015, 10:21 PM)
I can't remember but if my memory is strong enough, the speaker said that it has to do outflow of foreign investor money especially huge amount of redemption in Malaysian bonds (government or corporate). The outflow of foreign investor money from Malaysia fixed income market is few folds larger than Malaysia equity market.
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again, thanks for your reply. i also do read somewhere the 1mdb debt may result in lower fitch rating.. so much info and many more to learn indeed.
i'm still a newbie in investing and i guess i will take a conservative approach for now.

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QUOTE(guy3288 @ Jan 10 2015, 09:45 PM)
My Eastpsring Investment Small Cap fund losing (-6.5%)
RHB OSK Small Cap Opportunity also losing (- 6%)

Me Very tempted to top up.

Are the above 2 recommended  UTs still good for DCA?
Thanks for prompt comment,
hoping to put purchase order before 12midnite.
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hmm.gif how much is the total % in your portfolio when this 2 funds added up?
Try not to have ONLY M'sia funds...especially ONLY Small caps.
If the % is too much...try buy into other funds ex M'sia.
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QUOTE(yklooi @ Jan 10 2015, 11:36 PM)
hmm.gif how much is the total % in your portfolio when this 2 funds added up?
Try not to have ONLY M'sia funds...especially ONLY Small caps.
If the % is too much...try buy into other funds ex M'sia.
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What's ur % in local funds such as KGF EISCF EI Opportunity F??
I have 55%.. blush.gif
was bullish on local during start of last year..
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QUOTE(Silver Isle @ Jan 10 2015, 11:40 PM)
Hi guys! Attended the fair today, and started my unit trust journey today. Hope to continuously learn from all sifus here!
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Welcome to the family.. everyone is still learning :3, so can you.. brows.gif

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QUOTE(woonsc @ Jan 10 2015, 11:49 PM)
What's ur % in local funds such as KGF EISCF EI Opportunity F??
I have 55%..  blush.gif
was bullish on local during start of last year..
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my KGF+EISC is 7% total of my portfolio
no hv EI Opp.
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QUOTE(Kaka23 @ Jan 2 2015, 12:15 AM)
Why need to go to their office?  Why not do online?
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QUOTE(yklooi @ Jan 11 2015, 12:00 AM)
my KGF+EISC is 7% total of my portfolio
no hv EI Opp.
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can u pm me ur asset allocation based on geographical regions??
so i can see where can i balanced it this year..
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sell off my Kaf global eq (funding closing in march)
buy into Pheim Emerging Companies

dumped all Hw Bal
cutting down GTF by 70%, now GTF is about 7% of portfolio
got kena "sweet talked" by the pretty Regional mgr brows.gif
going to buy into Japan 3% of portfolio...next week with cash fund from Hw...no sc.

with that, I am now be about 75% EQ down from 95%
will be looking for transfer of my EPF back from PM when the time come.....that will cut another 10% of EQ
but have to wait cos now is still - 2% doh.gif

looking for US Only fund after the coming correction....cos portfolio now little light on US....

well that are the things done for the year...







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QUOTE(woonsc @ Jan 11 2015, 12:04 AM)
can u pm me ur asset allocation based on geographical regions??
so i can see where can i balanced it this year..
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my last whole year allocation make only +2% ROI YTD. doh.gif some FD lovers would laugh.gif till die-lah
last year % of allocation
US, UK + EU = 20%
M'sia = 40%
Asean X M'sia = 15%
China, HK, Jpn, Taiwan, Korea = 15%

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QUOTE(yklooi @ Jan 11 2015, 12:17 AM)
sell off my Kaf global eq (funding closing in march)
buy into Pheim Emerging Companies

dumped all Hw Bal
cutting down GTF by 70%, now GTF is about 7% of portfolio
got kena "sweet talked" by the pretty Regional mgr  brows.gif
going to buy into Japan 3% of portfolio...next week with cash fund from Hw...no sc.

with that, I am now be about 75% EQ down from 95%
will be looking for transfer of my EPF back from PM when the time come.....that will cut another 10% of EQ
but have to wait cos now is still - 2%  doh.gif

looking for US Only fund after the coming correction....cos portfolio now little light on US....

well that are the things done for the year...
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What's GTF? Global T..... Fund?
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yes cimb Global Titan Fund
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okok i just got it, dunno why i dint thought about that.. thumbup.gif

Still dun understand why no FM support India?
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Hwang Select Opportunity is approved for EPF MIS for YEARS already lo!
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what is epf mis?
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okok i just got it, dunno why i dint thought about that..  thumbup.gif

Still dun understand why no FM support India?
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what is epf mis?
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Employees Provident Fund Members Investment Scheme(EPF-MIS)
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i just topped up that also, first it says FSM fee 0.5%, but after all done it shows 1.5%. In the email you receive is it 0.5% or 1.5%? mine is 1.5%.
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mine too...same situation as your...
Intra switch...and buy from CMF also same shows 1.5 % SC
already email my to the CIS to clarify...

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How to pay ppa fees?
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got this from PPA website
Annual Fees: RM 8 to be charged yearly per provider (not payable for the year the account was opened and on the year where there is no contribution).

so if you did not contribute for that year you don't need pay.
if you contribute RM 3000, the actual investment will be only RM 2992
hmm.gif if you contribute RM500 ea PER Provider, that means RM 8 x 6 = RM 48? sweat.gif
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Btw, the 0.5% SC also applies today? When I try to test buy, still indicate 0.5%, same if i proceed to the next step of confirming my transaction...
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Btw, the 0.5% SC also applies today? When I try to test buy, still indicate 0.5%, same if i proceed to the next step of confirming my transaction...
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hmm.gif if there is NO indication that it is for ONLY 10 Jan 2015, then they will have to honor it because it is in their website.
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got this from PPA website
Annual Fees: RM 8 to be charged yearly per provider (not payable for the year the account was opened and on the year where there is no contribution).

so if you did not contribute for that year you don't need pay.
if you contribute RM 3000, the actual investment will be only RM 2992
hmm.gif  if you contribute RM500 ea PER Provider, that means RM 8 x 6 = RM 48?  sweat.gif
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My portfolio as at today is as below. After reading the blog from page 1 till current page, I think my portfolio is bit too much on Msia market. Can get advise what to take out and to put in ?

Current Portfolio

Kenanga Growth 60% (Cash 15% and EPF 85%)
PRS Hwang Aiiman and Kenanga 10%
Eastspring Small Cap 7%
Eastspring My Focus 5%
Eastspring Inv Equity Income 4%
Manulife India 4%

AMB Income Trust Fund 8%
RHB CMF2 2%

Maybe I m thinking to perform the following :

1) Sell the KGF (which purchased via cash 15%)
2) to buy CIMB Asia Pacific Dynamic Income
3) to buy Arbedeen Islamic World Equity
4) to buy CIMB Principal Global Titan
5) to buy Eastspring Inv Global Emerging Markets
6) to buy Hwang Select Ex Japan Quantum

any advise on this new porfolio? @pink spider can review mine portfolio? rclxub.gif

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My portfolio as at today is as below. After reading the blog from page 1 till current page, I think my portfolio is bit too much on Msia market. Can get advise what to take out and to put in ?

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KGF and Eastspring My Focus are quite similar.
Eastspring Inv Equity Income and AMB Income Trust Fund are also quite similar.
Hwang Select Ex Japan Quantum is quite similar to Eastspring Small Cap but has wider mandate to Asia ex Japan region.
Your portfolio is very heavy in Malaysia.
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QUOTE(David83 @ Jan 11 2015, 02:09 PM)
KGF and Eastspring My Focus are quite similar.
Eastspring Inv Equity Income and AMB Income Trust Fund are also quite similar.
Hwang Select Ex Japan Quantum is quite similar to Eastspring Small Cap but has wider mandate to Asia ex Japan region.
Your portfolio is very heavy in Malaysia.
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Ok. maybe I should trim KGF (but 85% I used $$ frm epf)..will try to trim the one I bought via cash.

the recommended I wrote ok ? drool.gif

2) to buy CIMB Asia Pacific Dynamic Income
3) to buy Arbedeen Islamic World Equity
4) to buy CIMB Principal Global Titan
5) to buy Eastspring Inv Global Emerging Markets

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Ok. maybe I should trim KGF (but 85% I used $$ frm epf)..will try to trim the one I bought via cash.

the recommended I wrote ok ? drool.gif

2) to buy CIMB Asia Pacific Dynamic Income
3) to buy Arbedeen Islamic World Equity
4) to buy CIMB Principal Global Titan
5) to buy Eastspring Inv Global Emerging Markets
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If you have bullets, go ahead as they're targeting different regions.

2) to buy CIMB Asia Pacific Dynamic Income ---> Asia ex Japan
3) to buy Arbedeen Islamic World Equity ---> World but Shariah compliant
4) to buy CIMB Principal Global Titan ---> Developed markets (US, Europe, Japan)
5) to buy Eastspring Inv Global Emerging Markets ---> BRIC plus other significant EM markets
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QUOTE(David83 @ Jan 11 2015, 03:03 PM)
If you have bullets, go ahead as they're targeting different regions.

2) to buy CIMB Asia Pacific Dynamic Income ---> Asia ex Japan
3) to buy Arbedeen Islamic World Equity ---> World but Shariah compliant
4) to buy CIMB Principal Global Titan ---> Developed markets (US, Europe, Japan)
5) to buy Eastspring Inv Global Emerging Markets ---> BRIC plus other significant EM markets
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ok. noted bro david.

how abt the KGF I purchased via epf $$. if i sold, what funds should I consider?
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ok. noted bro david.

how abt the KGF I purchased via epf $$. if i sold, what funds should I consider?
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You have EI MY Focus right?

Just choose in between one: KGF vs EI MY Focus
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You have EI MY Focus right?

Just choose in between one: KGF vs EI MY Focus
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Bro...

I withdrew abt 10k frm epf acc to buy kgf. if repurchase, then buy Eastspring My focus? any other funds giving regular income?

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Bro...

I withdrew abt 10k frm epf acc to buy kgf. if repurchase, then buy Eastspring My focus? any other funds giving regular income?
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You still got Eastspring Inv Equity Income and AMB Income Trust Fund.
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You still got Eastspring Inv Equity Income and AMB Income Trust Fund.
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Advisable to buy RHB OSK GS US Equity fund via cash? coz this is foreign equity focus in us.
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Advisable to buy RHB OSK GS US Equity fund via cash? coz this is foreign equity focus in us.
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FSM downgraded US region to Neutral. FSM advised not to expect double digit return from US market.


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You still got Eastspring Inv Equity Income and AMB Income Trust Fund.
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Advisable to buy RHB OSK GS US Equity fund via cash? coz this is foreign equity focus in us.
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QUOTE(prince_mk98 @ Jan 11 2015, 04:16 PM)
ok. noted bro david.

how abt the KGF I purchased via epf $$. if i sold, what funds should I consider?
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Kgf is good fund.. Maybe just keep the money invested. Since it is using EPF and is long term..
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Kgf is good fund..  Maybe just keep the money invested. Since it is using EPF and is long term..
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thanks kaka. you got use the IRR template? good ? i m interested to use but dont know how to start.
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thanks kaka. you got use the IRR template? good ? i m interested to use but dont know how to start.
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hmm.gif I think other SIFUs that had used IRR will tell you that if less than 1 year...IRR is not good to use. BUt if you do regular top up... then it will be good to start using...
there is 1 at post #1 and also page 6 post #114

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thanks kaka. you got use the IRR template? good ? i m interested to use but dont know how to start.
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Ya.. I am using IRR as a judgement how the fund is performing for me.

Pink did share the template. you can look at the 1st page if he put it there.. tongue.gif
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URL: http://www.investopedia.com/ask/answers/07...-cagr-excel.asp

I use simple CAGR formula.
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Ya.. I am using IRR as a judgement how the fund is performing for me.

Pink did share the template. you can look at the 1st page if he put it there.. tongue.gif
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"IF"???

How could u...its there for so long time already ... sweat blood n tears do up post #1 u no appreciate cry.gif

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Fundsupermart.com (FSM) Malaysia is the online unit trust distribution arm of iFAST Capital Sdn. Bhd. ("iFAST Capital").

iFAST Capital is a holder of a Capital Markets Services Licence (CMSL) and is licensed by the Securities Commission to conduct the following regulated activities:

- To deal in unit trusts
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- To deal in Private Retirement Scheme

iFAST Capital is also registered with the Federation of Investment Managers Malaysia (FiMM) as an Institutional Unit Trust Adviser (IUTA).

iFAST Capital is part of iFAST Corporation Pte. Ltd. ("iFAST Corp"), which is headquartered in Singapore and the iFAST group of companies are also present in Hong Kong and Malaysia. The company was incorporated in Singapore on 10 January 2000.

iFAST Corp, via its wholly-owned subsidiary iFAST Financial Pte. Ltd., is Singapore's leading online distributor of unit trusts as well as the leading operator of an investment platform for financial advisers and financial institutions. It carries the Capital Markets Services (CMS) and Financial Adviser (FA) licences issued by the Monetary Authority of Singapore (MAS), and is also one of three appointed Central Provident Board (CPF) Investment Administrators.

iFAST Corp has two corporate shareholders. They are SPH AsiaOne Ltd, the Internet arm of Singapore Press Holdings, Singapore's largest media group, and DMG & Partners Securities Pte Ltd (a joint-venture between RHB Investment Bank Berhad and Deutsche Asia Pacific Holdings Pte Ltd). In recent years, iFAST Corp has been expanding beyond local shores. In 2007, iFAST Corp launched its first overseas business, Fundsupermart in Hong Kong and in 2008, it launched Fundsupermart in Malaysia.

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TQ Pink spider. I will study it first.

The info you shared here are very useful. thumbub to you.

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Jan 11 2015, 05:30 PM)
"IF"???

How could u...its there for so long time already ... sweat blood n tears do up post #1 u no appreciate cry.gif

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haha... sorry bro. I long time didnt see #1 tongue.gif
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URL: http://www.investopedia.com/ask/answers/07...-cagr-excel.asp

I use simple CAGR formula.
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bro David,

Mind to share a template Excel with this formula embedded. tongue.gif
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QUOTE(prince_mk98 @ Jan 11 2015, 05:54 PM)
bro David,

Mind to share a template Excel with this formula embedded. tongue.gif
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I'm running several nested formula:

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=(POWER(G5/C5,1/(YEARFRAC(A5,TODAY())))-1)*100


G5: Current valuation of the fund
C5: Capital invested
A5: First date where the fund is bought


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QUOTE(David83 @ Jan 11 2015, 06:00 PM)
I'm running several nested formula:
G5: Current valuation of the fund
C5: Capital invested
A5: First date where the fund is bought
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so complicated. i think I got forget abt it. sigh...let me just use the IRR template by Pink spider.

let me start key in first.
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QUOTE(David83 @ Jan 11 2015, 06:00 PM)

=(POWER(G5/C5,1/(YEARFRAC(A5,TODAY())))-1)*100

I'm running several nested formula:
G5: Current valuation of the fund
C5: Capital invested
A5: First date where the fund is bought
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hey thanks for the formula man.. now i can see CAGR tongue.gif

hmm cagr of 7.. not bad i guess smile.gif
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Things get ugly when the CAGR is used to promote investment results without incorporating the risk factor. Mutual fund companies emphasize their CAGRs from different time periods in order to get you to invest in their funds, but they rarely incorporate a risk adjustment. It is also important to read the fine print in order to know what time period is being used. Ads can tout a fund's 20% CAGR in bold type, but the time period used may be from the peak of the last bubble, which has no bearing on the most recent performance.

The CAGR is a good and valuable tool to evaluate investment options, but it does not tell the whole story. Investors can analyze investment alternatives by comparing their CAGRs from identical time periods. Investors, however, also need to evaluate the relative investment risk. This requires the use of another measure such as standard deviation.

http://www.investopedia.com/articles/analyst/041502.asp

just saw the above in the web....

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using CAGR alone is like looking at a 2D picture. The third dimension i.e. risk aka stad-dev, although please note that some modern academics use downside semi-deviation should be incorporated into the portfolio construction.

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Jan 11 2015, 04:30 PM)
"IF"???

How could u...its there for so long time already ... sweat blood n tears do up post #1 u no appreciate cry.gif

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Bro spider

should I have different sheet for different funds? Or lump all in one sheet?

I noticed if purchase is -ve and sales is +ve. Ermm wonder why?


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QUOTE(prince_mk98 @ Jan 11 2015, 09:51 PM)
Bro spider

should I have different sheet for different funds? Or lump all in one sheet?

I noticed if purchase is -ve and sales is +ve. Ermm wonder why?
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Jan 11 2015, 09:57 PM)
CASH FLOW

purchase is u pay
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pink bro can ask a bit ah.

I saw your portfolio IRR got 2 switch sell like this:

Hwang Select Income Fund 18-Aug-2009 RM534.10 0.00% RM0.5341 (1,000.00) Switch Sell Maybank
Hwang Select Income Fund 28-Aug-2009 RM539.20 0.00% RM0.5392 (1,000.00) Switch Sell Maybank

i cant find where is the switch buy for the money you got back from the sales above, will it balance out?. Can help explain, me also learning to use this IRR also. If got many Uts and many switch buy , park in CMF and and switch sell, i see quite difficult to use your template with all UTs mixed together.
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QUOTE(guy3288 @ Jan 11 2015, 11:18 PM)
pink bro can ask a bit ah.

I saw your portfolio IRR got 2 switch sell like this:

Hwang Select Income Fund 18-Aug-2009  RM534.10  0.00%  RM0.5341  (1,000.00) Switch Sell  Maybank
Hwang Select Income Fund 28-Aug-2009  RM539.20  0.00%  RM0.5392  (1,000.00) Switch Sell  Maybank

i cant find where is the switch buy for the money you got back from the sales above, will it balance out?. Can help explain, me also learning to use this IRR also. If got many Uts and many switch buy , park in CMF and and switch sell, i see quite difficult to use your template with all UTs mixed together.
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This is not accounts balance sheet, no need balance tongue.gif

If u wanna include CMF in your IRR calculation, then u include.

If u wanna exclude CMF and/or u sell for cash, u exclude
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Jan 11 2015, 11:34 PM)
This is not accounts balance sheet, no need balance tongue.gif

If u wanna include CMF in your IRR calculation, then u include.

If u wanna exclude CMF and/or u sell for cash, u exclude
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Sorry ah me abit blur.

So in your case, the proceeds of the 2 sales were actually pumped in back for switch buy of other Ut which were not obvious at a glance. ie the proceeds are still in the portfolio, but not easily identifiable in the portfolio.

What about say if we sell, and we take out the money to spend elsewhere, do we need any correction so that this will not falsely
bring down the IRR?

With many Uts in there, the IRR is the average of all UTs put together? So if some UT make profit, others make loss, IRR may end up 0?

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QUOTE(guy3288 @ Jan 11 2015, 11:52 PM)
Sorry ah me abit blur.

So in your case, the proceeds of the 2 sales were actually pumped in back for switch buy of other Ut which were not obvious at a glance. ie the proceeds are still in the portfolio, but not easily identifiable in the portfolio.

What about say if we sell, and we take out the money to spend elsewhere, do we need any correction so that this will not falsely
bring down the IRR?

With many Uts in there, the IRR is the average of all UTs put together? So if some UT make profit, others make loss, IRR may end up 0?
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QUOTE(guy3288 @ Jan 11 2015, 11:52 PM)
With many Uts in there, the IRR is the average of all UTs put together? So if some UT make profit, others make loss, IRR may end up 0?
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hmm.gif if I want to do it,...I would do
1 IRR or XIRR for EACH fund that I am planning to have investment movement...so that I know what is the performance of the fund
(I would NOT compare the IRR or XIRR Performance AGAINST each other funds in the portfolio as their objectives/mandates/coverage are different, UNLESS one is a rear view mirror investor that FOCUSED on the performance and want the BEST return for his investment irregardless of where the funds are invested, which is against the normal wisdom of diversification)
1 IRR or XIRR for the portfolio, where data inputs are entered once there is movement in any of the funds that is in the portfolio....so that I know what is the performance of my portfolio.

notworthy.gif don't ask me what is IRR or XIRR....I got no clue unless I google.... blush.gif

hmm.gif I think it is NOT necessary to be 100% correct/accurate to all, just have the system right or the right system, update when there is movement.....there is no auditor to audit you...if the system is wrong,...so be it, for at least you got the consistence data....eventhough it maybe wrong to others....just consider it as a different set of accounting system. (international US against Chinaman) who cares as long as you know you can do it CONSTANTLY with EASE.......
....now how to get the system right or right system? rclxub.gif hmm.gif

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thanks for the comment.
for now just use fsm summary.......
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QUOTE(guy3288 @ Jan 12 2015, 09:03 AM)
thanks for the comment.
for now  just use fsm summary.......
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Just remember...

The worksheet is to track your UT TRANSACTIONS and the growth rate of your UT portfolio.

Anything else is not relevant.

FSM summary does not compute IRR or CAGR of your investments, though the "Analyse My Portfolio" function comes quite close.

IRR/CAGR is used to assess, whether our UT investments are working hard enough, whether it can beat FD and/or EPF. If not, might as well dump all in FD. laugh.gif

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Thought of calling FSM to ask about the 2% SC that imposed on me when I bought Affin Hwang Japan Growth Fund last Saturday using CMF.

At first thought must use FPX to be entitled for 0.5% SC but after reading the T&C from the handout from their fair, using CMF to purchase is also entitled for the 0.5% SC promotion.

The FSM guys have already adjusted the SC to 0.5% when I checked earlier this morning. smile.gif
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QUOTE(chrono7 @ Jan 12 2015, 09:15 AM)
Thought of calling FSM to ask about the 2% SC that imposed on me when I bought Affin Hwang Japan Growth Fund last Saturday using CMF.

At first thought must use FPX to be entitled for 0.5% SC but after reading the T&C from the handout from their fair, using CMF to purchase is also entitled for the 0.5% SC promotion.

The FSM guys have already adjusted the SC to 0.5% when I checked earlier this morning. smile.gif
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Very good. Me manage to get 0.5 fees on topup yesterday. Topup via FPX.
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Just remember...

The worksheet is to track your UT TRANSACTIONS and the growth rate of your UT portfolio.

Anything else is not relevant.

FSM summary does not compute IRR or CAGR of your investments, though the "Analyse My Portfolio" function comes quite close.

IRR/CAGR is used to assess, whether our UT investments are working hard enough, whether it can beat FD and/or EPF. If not, might as well dump all in FD. laugh.gif
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Bro spider,

do u mind to include the CAGR in the existing IRR template ? can it be done?
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Bro spider,

do u mind to include the CAGR in the existing IRR template ? can it be done?
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CAGR is not useful (actually, cannot be used!) when u got top up

CAGR is only usable for 1 lump sum, one-off investment

IRR and CAGR actually are 99% the same thing
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the fund fact sheet page shows the service charge is 0.5% but when i click to buy it  and got into the step 2, it shows service charge is 2.0%
anyone experience this?
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after an email to fundsupermart on their promotional sales charge, their reply was this

"Thank you for your email.

Please be informed that the sales charge for your purchase order should be 0.5% instead of 1.75%.

Due to our system restriction, the purchase order via RHB-OSK Cash Management Fund 2 will still show the normal sales charge. Nonetheless, we have manually adjusted the sales charge for your purchase order to 0.5% accordingly.

Any confusion caused to you is much regretted.

Should you need further assistance, please feel free to contact us."

so when you buy with cash or cash management fund, the sales charge is 0.5% . due to their system problem, they will show 2% sales charges when you purchase using cash management fund but it will be reverted back to 0.5% , gonna try again next sat.
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QUOTE(David83 @ Jan 10 2015, 06:32 PM)
Since it doesn't require the voucher code, I don't think they have enough resources to track down your location.

All orders must be placed in FSM website by 12am midnight tonight!

I'm still headache on what to buy or top up? Top up Eastspring Investments Asia Pacific Ex-Japan Target Return Fund or buy Affin Hwang Japan Growth Fund?
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I think majority will get it!

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Only 50 early birds get it and I did not get it sad.gif Thought I was quite early when arrived but looks like lots of people already there.
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CAGR is not useful (actually, cannot be used!) when u got top up

CAGR is only usable for 1 lump sum, one-off investment

IRR and CAGR actually are 99% the same thing
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Ok. noted. then I shall use IRR template. I heard you are an ACCOUNTANT. smile.gif
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CAGR is not useful (actually, cannot be used!) when u got top up

CAGR is only usable for 1 lump sum, one-off investment

IRR and CAGR actually are 99% the same thing
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Ok..noted bro spider.

I will use the IRR template you shared.

if the IRR shown is 10% (let say), it means with the money I invested, I had generated 10% per annum so far?? can i have this kind of thinking? was is nett profit or gross profit?
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Ok..noted bro spider.

I will use the IRR template you shared.

if the IRR shown is 10% (let say), it means with the money I invested, I had generated 10% per annum so far?? can i have this kind of thinking? was is nett profit or gross profit?
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IRR is all about cash flows - money paid, money received, current value, and nothing else

So, it's net profit (except for funds that have exit/redemption fee e.g. AmDynamic Bond which has 1% exit fee)

To put it simply, let's say if u have invested for 6 months, and u get IRR of 10%, ASSUMING your investment continue to grow at the same rate, u will get 10% p.a.

IRR also means annualised growth rate.

ACCOUNTANT? I'm just a drunkard laugh.gif

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Only 50 early birds get it and I did not get it  sad.gif  Thought I was quite early when arrived but looks like lots of people already there.
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Oh really. Sad to hear that. I thought majority did get since the hall is not even full house.
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Oh really. Sad to hear that. I thought majority did get since the hall is not even full house.
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will you be going this Saturday? what time?
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Jan 12 2015, 02:57 PM)
IRR is all about cash flows - money paid, money received, current value, and nothing else

So, it's net profit (except for funds that have exit/redemption fee e.g. AmDynamic Bond which has 1% exit fee)

To put it simply, let's say if u have invested for 6 months, and u get IRR of 10%, ASSUMING your investment continue to grow at the same rate, u will get 10% p.a.

IRR also means annualised growth rate.

ACCOUNTANT? I'm just a drunkard laugh.gif
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will you be going this Saturday? what time?
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KL session: 9am to 5pm at Hall 1, Mid Valley Exhibition Centre
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NOT sure if you guys are interested.....
Hwang just called me up...there is a Fixed Maturity kind of fund.....
currently was told that 4.75%pa minimum for 36 months...unsure of the amount (maybe 10k)...U have to call Hwang for details ...NOT FSM...
had been thinking of Ambank 4.5% for 36 months too.( maybe lower entry cost)
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MidValley? No thanks laugh.gif
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Fitch maintains negative outlook on Malaysia sovereigns (Update)
Monday, 12 January 2015
http://www.thestar.com.my/Business/Busines...igns/?style=biz
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interested with the presentation by the Kenanga fund house.

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May I know how many times Fundsupermart organized seminar/fair in a year for the previous years?

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May I know how many times Fundsupermart organized seminar/fair in a year for the previous years?

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Usually once a year only
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So during this time we can buy at 0.5% SC for 1 day only
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Fitch maintains negative outlook on Malaysia sovereigns (Update)
Monday, 12 January 2015
http://www.thestar.com.my/Business/Busines...igns/?style=biz
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“reflects the erosion of its current account surplus amid large public sector deficits and a drop in oil prices” cry.gif
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So during this time we can buy at 0.5% SC for 1 day only
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Usually two dates since the date for KL and Penang is not the same. Shh! whistling.gif
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2014 Top And Bottom Equity Funds: India And Indonesia Equity Funds Rise On Political Effect

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QUOTE(Jenny87 @ Jan 12 2015, 05:29 PM)
Hi all,

May I know how many times Fundsupermart organized seminar/fair in a year for the previous years?

Thanks  smile.gif
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for the past 2 years that I know of...usually in Jan and another in July....July is during the publishing of "Recommended Funds listings"
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just got an email from FSM about the SC on my contract say 1.5% instead of 0.5%SC...
"Just to reassure you that your Saturday order which paid via Cash Management Fund is cater for 0.5% sales charges as our system just manually updated all the affected sales orders that paying via CMF".

THen this on the same email...
"If you would like to make extra purchases, you may benefit from KL What and Where event promotion too. You just need to place a purchase order online on 17 Jan 2015 to secure the 0.5% sales charge and ensure that payments reach us latest by 23 January 2015, 3pm. (Promotional s/c not applicable to INTER or INTRA switching orders)".

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QUOTE(yklooi @ Jan 12 2015, 07:41 PM)
just got an email from FSM about the SC on my contract say 1.5% instead of 0.5%SC...
"Just to reassure you that your Saturday order which paid via Cash Management Fund is cater for 0.5% sales charges as our system just manually updated all the affected sales orders that paying via CMF".

THen this on the same email...
"If you would like to make extra purchases, you may benefit from KL What and Where event promotion too. You just need to place a purchase order online on 17 Jan 2015 to secure the 0.5% sales charge and ensure that payments reach us latest by 23 January 2015, 3pm. (Promotional s/c not applicable to INTER or INTRA switching orders)".

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But CMF shouldn't be any problem:

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But CMF shouldn't be any problem:

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Initial contract did show 1.5%SC wor. then I email to FSM to clarify lah.
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QUOTE(yklooi @ Jan 12 2015, 05:57 PM)
NOT sure if you guys are interested.....
Hwang just called me up...there is a Fixed Maturity kind of fund.....
currently was told that 4.75%pa minimum for 36 months...unsure of the amount (maybe 10k)...U have to call Hwang for details ...NOT FSM...
had been thinking of Ambank 4.5% for 36 months too.( maybe lower entry cost)
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I would be interested for HwangIM Sales to meet me for EPF investment only.. 😁

Been trying to get someone from there to meet me since November or December last year but nothing happened yet...


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QUOTE(Kaka23 @ Jan 12 2015, 08:46 PM)
I would be interested for HwangIM Sales to meet me for EPF investment only.. 😁

Been trying to get someone from there to meet me since November or December last year but nothing happened yet...
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oh yes,...I remembered...think it is Nov.....too bad for you...
btw why cannot get from FSM?
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Usually once a year only
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QUOTE(jes88 @ Jan 12 2015, 05:45 PM)
So during this time we can buy at 0.5% SC for 1 day only
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QUOTE(David83 @ Jan 12 2015, 06:21 PM)
Usually two dates since the date for KL and Penang is not the same. Shh! whistling.gif
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QUOTE(yklooi @ Jan 12 2015, 07:03 PM)
for the past 2 years that I know of...usually in Jan and another in July....July is during the publishing of "Recommended Funds listings"
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oh yes,...I remembered...think it is Nov.....too bad for you...
btw why cannot get from FSM?
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Want to get the benefits of the insurance..
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I would be interested for HwangIM Sales to meet me for EPF investment only.. 😁

Been trying to get someone from there to meet me since November or December last year but nothing happened yet...
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I think EPF approved fund only got 3.

Select income
Select opportunity
Select balanced

EPF funds generally can have no more than 30% invested abroad.

The fund also must be established more than 3 years. So the parameter of investment very limited.

I can recommend agent if your interested.
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QUOTE(Kaka23 @ Jan 12 2015, 10:00 PM)
Want to get the benefits of the insurance..
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sweat.gif Just a note:
Termination of Insurance Coverage and Amendment of Terms
This insurance is provided complimentary by Affin Hwang AM. Affin Hwang AM reserves the absolute right to terminate this insurance coverage at any time with or without written notice to the Unit Holders.

Affin Hwang AM has the absolute right to amend any of the terms above such as eligibility criteria, eligible funds, eligible age, benefits, effective date of coverage, sum assured, cut-off date and insurance company with or without written notice to the Unit Holders.

hmm.gif just when one needed it most...it may NOT be there anymore..... sweat.gif

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LIST OF UNIT TRUST FUNDS UNDER THE EPF MEMBERS INVESTMENT SCHEME (EPF MIS) QUALIFIED TO BE OFFERED FOR THE PERIOD OF 2014/2015 EFFECTIVEFROM 8 OCTOBER 2014...for AffinHwangAM

http://www.kwsp.gov.my/portal/documents/10..._Hwang_eng_.pdf
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QUOTE(yklooi @ Jan 12 2015, 10:15 PM)
LIST OF UNIT TRUST FUNDS UNDER THE EPF MEMBERS INVESTMENT SCHEME (EPF MIS) QUALIFIED TO BE OFFERED FOR THE PERIOD OF 2014/2015 EFFECTIVEFROM 8 OCTOBER 2014...for AffinHwangAM

http://www.kwsp.gov.my/portal/documents/10..._Hwang_eng_.pdf
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Holy crap loads of funds.

Time sure have changed. Crappy affin funds also made it to the list. Lolz.
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Crude oil is nearing USD 45 level:

WTI: 45.78
Brent: 47.43

Goldman Sachs forecasted that near term crude will drop to USD 40:

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2015-01-12/o...k-recovery.html

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2015-01-12/g...-abandoned.html
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How do I know if a fund is overpriced/underpriced?
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Over the time, the holdings of a particular fund may change. So we don't really know if the fund is overpriced or not.
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isn't overpriced or underpriced something more for stocks? high/low pe or above/below NTA
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hmm.gif i hope you meant "How do I know if a fund is EXPENSIVE/CHEAP?"

Don’t Judge A Fund By Its Price!
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It is a common misconception for investors to believe that a lower fund price makes a fund ‘cheaper’. In fact, whether a fund is expensive or not depends strictly on the valuation of its underlying stocks or bonds within its portfolio perform; the unit or the NAV price of the fund bears little significance. Author : Eddy Wong

http://www.fundsupermart.com.hk/hk/main/re...?articleNo=2690
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A fund cannot be overpriced

Only the target market/sector of the fund can be overpriced
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Buy Buy Buy...Oil prices will up...after CNY.. rolleyes.gif
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Oil price will definitely go up, just a matter of when and by how much. Your prediction is after CNY, analysts estimate is in 6-9 months time.
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QUOTE(yklooi @ Jan 12 2015, 07:06 AM)
hmm.gif if I want to do it,...I would do
1 IRR or XIRR for EACH fund that I am planning to have investment movement...so that I know what is the performance of the fund
(I would NOT compare the IRR or XIRR Performance AGAINST each other funds in the portfolio as their objectives/mandates/coverage are different, UNLESS one is a rear view mirror investor that FOCUSED on the performance and want the BEST return for his investment irregardless of where the funds are invested, which is against the normal wisdom of diversification)
1 IRR or XIRR for the portfolio, where data inputs are entered once there is movement in any of the funds that is in the portfolio....so that I know what is the performance of my portfolio.
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ouch..
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QUOTE(kimyee73 @ Jan 13 2015, 03:28 PM)
Oil price will definitely go up, just a matter of when and by how much. Your prediction is after CNY, analysts estimate is in 6-9 months time.
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March is after CNY
June is after CNY
December is also after CNY

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Jan 13 2015, 03:32 PM)
March is after CNY
June is after CNY
December is also after CNY

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Jan 13 2015, 03:32 PM)
March is after CNY
June is after CNY
December is also after CNY

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QUOTE(river.sand @ Jan 13 2015, 04:26 PM)
It doesn't matter when the oil price will go up. What matter is: when it does go up, you can tell people, "You see, I was right!"  brows.gif
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ANALysts say during 2010

"Gloom gloom! Market will fall!"

Market fly fly fly fly fly fly ... ... ...

*2014-end*

"See? I told ya!" cool2.gif

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Rise and Fall of the KLCI Index (1984 - 2014).
We recap the historical events that caused major falls of the KLCI Index, and its eventual subsequent rebound. This is to remind everyone that markets do go up over the long term despite short term volatility. ...Author : iFAST Research Team .... January 13, 2015

good fact sheet.....where to keep for future use? hmm.gif

http://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/resea...?articleNo=5422

RM100k invested in 1984 till now 2014 is now worth RM500k....what is the IRR/XIRR?

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See oil price and MYR:USD forex rate...

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really wanna move RM to other currencies liao sweat.gif

Affin Hwang SGD fund? hmm.gif
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QUOTE(yklooi @ Jan 13 2015, 04:50 PM)
Rise and Fall of the KLCI Index (1984 - 2014).  
RM100k invested in 1984 till now 2014 is now worth RM500k....what is the IRR/XIRR?
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IRR 5.51%

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QUOTE(yklooi @ Jan 12 2015, 10:15 PM)
LIST OF UNIT TRUST FUNDS UNDER THE EPF MEMBERS INVESTMENT SCHEME (EPF MIS) QUALIFIED TO BE OFFERED FOR THE PERIOD OF 2014/2015 EFFECTIVEFROM 8 OCTOBER 2014...for AffinHwangAM

http://www.kwsp.gov.my/portal/documents/10..._Hwang_eng_.pdf
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Just clarified with agent..

Aside from those previously managed by affin and aiiman, and those which have been suspended.

The original hwang funds are:
Select bal
Select div
Select opp

Not so sure about aiiman, whether they have adulterated their original funds with affins...

Anyway wouldnt buy islamic coz it limits my investment shpehere.

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QUOTE(aurora97 @ Jan 13 2015, 05:45 PM)
Just clarified with agent..

Aside from those previously managed by affin and aiiman, and those which have been suspended.

The original hwang funds are:
Select bal
Select div
Select opp

Not so sure about aiiman, whether they have adulterated their original funds with affins...

Anyway wouldnt buy islamic coz it limits my investment shpehere.
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Hwang Select Dividend was never approved for EPF, cos its mandate >30% foreign exposure

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Jan 13 2015, 05:47 PM)
Hwang Select Dividend was never approved for EPF, cos its mandate >30% foreign exposure
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from fund factsheet as at 31 Oct 2014..see the arrowed..


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QUOTE(yklooi @ Jan 13 2015, 06:00 PM)
from fund factsheet as at 31 Oct 2014..see the arrowed..
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But as far as I remember... hmm.gif

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Jan 13 2015, 05:47 PM)
Hwang Select Dividend was never approved for EPF, cos its mandate >30% foreign exposure
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I confirmed with agent over lunch just now... Lolz..

The re-approve the fund after they regularize their position.

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One more thing to add, I was told if you buy direct from company sales staff. You will be eligible for life insurance cover offered by axa-affin. This is not extended to funds sold by agent or distributors.

I got my cover already but I didn't know that this arrangement existed lolz...
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Jan 13 2015, 05:18 PM)
See oil price and MYR:USD forex rate...

doh.gif doh.gif doh.gif

really wanna move RM to other currencies liao sweat.gif

Affin Hwang SGD fund? hmm.gif
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Pink - methinks by succumbing to such URGES,
one "buys high" leh.

Shd move when MYR strong against USD or AUD or SGD last few years.

I'm currently contemplating selling or switching some CIMB Principal Global Titan Funds heheh (matter of how much only -urgh)
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Crude below USD 45:

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/oil-drops-be...-075954825.html
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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Jan 13 2015, 07:22 PM)
Pink - methinks by succumbing to such URGES,
one "buys high" leh.

Shd move when MYR strong against USD or AUD or SGD last few years.

I'm currently contemplating selling or switching some CIMB Principal Global Titan Funds heheh (matter of how much only -urgh)
Just a thought  notworthy.gif
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Wong Seafood,

After drinking a hot soup of ABC for dinner, I've had that same though as yours...

Now is already too late to run
Run now = Sell low (Ringgit), buy high (USD/SGD)

Thanks for giving me the confidence to hold station biggrin.gif

Additional thought... hmm.gif

Buy Ruble? tongue.gif

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Wong Seafood,

After drinking a hot soup of ABC for dinner, I've had that same though as yours...

Now is already too late to run
Run now = Sell low (Ringgit), buy high (USD/SGD)

Thanks for giving me the confidence to hold station biggrin.gif

Additional thought... hmm.gif

Buy Ruble? tongue.gif
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Hard Questions For Greedy Investors on This Oil Price Rout

The resulting slide in share prices may turn out to be an opportunity for Foolish long term investors to fish for bargains in the oil and gas space.

But before the private investor rushes out to drill for bargains, I would like to submit three hard questions for him or her to answer before any actions are taken:

1. Are you being led by cheap share prices?

At this point, Warren Buffett’s maxim of “being greedy while others are fearful” would seem to be the order of the day. That’s especially so for Foolish investors who are looking to take advantage of share price drops caused by the rout in oil prices. However, let’s keep in mind another one of Buffett’s sayings:

The market is there to serve you and not to instruct you. It is not telling you whether you are right or wrong. The business results will determine that.

Although cheaper share prices might provide a higher margin of safety, intrepid Foolish investors should take note that it is Mr. Market who is telling us that these are cheaper share prices. Not all cheap shares will be a bargain, so it’s important to keep your emotions in check even when “For Sale” signs seem to be flashing everywhere.

2. Do you have the discipline to stick to you portfolio allocation plan?

If you are interested in investing in oil and gas companies now, ask yourself this: do you have an allocation in mind on how much of your portfolio will be committed to the oil and gas shares? If not, you might want to think of setting an allocation limit.

Bargain fishing may sound like fun for the Foolish investor, but we should also remember to stick to our portfolio allocation for our “fishing limits” (how much we buy). A non-ideal scenario that could happen is for us to wake up one day and realize that 100% of our portfolio has turned into oil and gas companies. Setting a buying limit will also force you to pick the best of the bunch, and that’s a good challenge.

Also, think about deploying your cash in stages, rather than acting with undisciplined abandon at the sight of cheaper share prices. You may also refer to the portfolio guide that my fellow Fool Ser Jing shared which touched on buying in stages as the market falls.

3. If we have a major correction in the next three months, will you still have cash to act on it?

The financial media’s eyes may be on the decline in oil and gas prices, but the third question centres around keeping your portfolio available for other non-oil and gas investment opportunities which are currently not in the news. The premise is this: let’s be sure that we pay equal attention to all potential opportunities, oil and gas or not, and not become too tunnel-visioned towards oil and gas opportunities alone. The steady deployment of your own cash could keep your portfolio open towards opportunities that appear.

As the investment opportunities from the oil and gas industry become more abundant, it could also be the best time to demand the best that the industry has to offer. In other words – “don’t settle” for mediocre oil and gas companies.

A Fool’s take

As a Fool, I enjoy the occasional bargain hunting that the share markets might offer, but I have also learnt over time to maintain a steady level of discipline in the deployment of my cash at all times. The three questions above form part of my own learnings from investing during the Global Financial Crisis.

http://www.fool.sg/2014/12/17/hard-questio...oil-price-rout/
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QUOTE(aurora97 @ Jan 12 2015, 11:04 PM)
I think EPF approved fund only got 3.

Select income
Select opportunity
Select balanced

EPF funds generally can have no more than 30% invested abroad.

The fund also must be established more than 3 years. So the parameter of investment very limited.

I can recommend agent if your interested.
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QUOTE(RO Player @ Jan 13 2015, 05:44 PM)
brows.gif  buying cheap oil stocks...in meanwhile..

time will make u money....
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Speaking of oil stocks, since this is a UT thread. What are the options we have hmm.gif

I know AmCommodities Equity is one of it. Benchmark : 50% Dow Jones Islamic Market Oil & Gas + 50% Dow Jones Islamic Market Basic Mat


edit: Manulife Investment - India Equity Fund is performing good, not bad. Should have bought more during the end of year promo laugh.gif doh.gif

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QUOTE(Kaka23 @ Jan 13 2015, 10:48 PM)
your agent from where? leng lui like FSM Jennifer? tongue.gif
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Mine from affinhwang.

When money involved, eye candies are a distraction bro... eye on the ball! doh.gif

I just need those agent to remind me when to top-up EPF, almost year end buy PRS, got new fund launch let me know, willing to wait downstairs at lobby for 10 mins like dunggu cause i accidentally forgot to put my phone on ring mode, give me a review of my portfolio and remind me to breath.

I know i pay a slight premium (on sales charge) but at least she provide me with a decent service sweat.gif

Going to meet her today for lunch and her to run through my portfolio tongue.gif

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QUOTE(aurora97 @ Jan 14 2015, 01:09 AM)
Mine from affinhwang.

When money involved, eye candies are a distraction bro... eye on the ball!  doh.gif

I just need those agent to remind me when to top-up EPF, almost year end buy PRS, got new fund launch let me know, willing to wait downstairs at lobby for 10 mins like dunggu cause i accidentally forgot to put my phone on ring mode, give me a review of my portfolio and remind me to breath. 

I know i pay a slight premium (on sales charge) but at least she provide me with a decent service  sweat.gif

Going to meet her today for lunch and her to run through my portfolio  tongue.gif
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eyes on WHICH "ball" bro? tongue.gif
distracting as U said laugh.gif

anyhow, seriously - one can use CALENDAR in google or yahoo or Outlook to do reminders ma.
similar to agents' reminders + less "distractions" laugh.gif

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Eyes on the ball indeed brows.gif
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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Jan 14 2015, 08:08 AM)
eyes on WHICH "ball" bro?  tongue.gif
distracting as U said  laugh.gif

anyhow, seriously - one can use CALENDAR in google or yahoo or Outlook to do reminders ma.
similar to agents' reminders + less "distractions"  laugh.gif
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If you think it through, EPF withdraw is only done every quarter. Not everyone is that tech savvy. Besides, she only prompt me four times in a year. Is that excessive?

Perhaps I didn't put it correctly n you misunderstood my intent being more focused on balls and reminders.

Though I check my portfolio every morning and read up on business news, there is always that gap and missed opportunity. An agent is the investors extended hand, otherwise why pay the premium and not just use FSM.
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EPF is paying good dividend. Taking money from EPF to invest in Unit Trusts and paying service charge, do you actually get better return than simply leave them in EPF, no extra work, no need reminder, no hassle extra fees?
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QUOTE(guy3288 @ Jan 14 2015, 08:56 AM)
EPF is paying good dividend. Taking money from EPF to invest in Unit Trusts and paying service charge, do you actually get better return than simply leave them in EPF, no extra work, no need reminder, no hassle  extra fees?
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Addition:-

I just checked EPF online... This is what it had to say for dividend for year 2014

» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «


ftw?!

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QUOTE(aurora97 @ Jan 14 2015, 09:02 AM)
doh.gif

Addition:-

I just checked EPF online... This is what it had to say for dividend for year 2014

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ftw?!
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If u did follow EPF for the past year, usually they only announced the dividend a lil bit later, not so early into January... probably Feb-Mar time, if not mistaken


Or just wait for them to announce it in the papers.

And it actually got mentioned that "Dividend Year 2014 (Dividend Not Yet Announced)"


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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Jan 14 2015, 08:08 AM)
eyes on WHICH "ball" bro?  tongue.gif
distracting as U said  laugh.gif

anyhow, seriously - one can use CALENDAR in google or yahoo or Outlook to do reminders ma.
similar to agents' reminders + less "distractions"  laugh.gif
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Wong Seafood,

Taxes deducted from bonus lesser than expected

Now I got a few hundred RM extra as ammo

Ada apa rekomendasi? brows.gif

I know u bearish on developed markets via CIMB Global Titanic...

So, CIMB Asia Pac Dynamite Income, for more Aussie and Kiasuland exposure, ok? Or Asia ex Japan (more on ASEAN+HK) small-mid cap? notworthy.gif

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QUOTE(kabal82 @ Jan 14 2015, 09:24 AM)
If u did follow EPF for the past year, usually they only announced the dividend a lil bit later, not so early into January... probably Feb-Mar time, if not mistaken
Or just wait for them to announce it in the papers.
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yup you are right.

I just saw the second pop up when i tried and click on the 2015 statement. It's said the 2015 statement will be made available once the dividend has been declared.

Anyway, you decide whether dividend payouts by EPF are better than unit trust funds.

http://www.kwsp.gov.my/portal/about-epf/in.../dividend-rates
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In the long run, good unit trusts like Affin Hwang Select Opportunity, Kenanga Growth, AMB Dividen Trust etc beats EPF hands down.

Don't see underperformance for 1-2 years and say UT<EPF tongue.gif
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Jan 14 2015, 09:32 AM)
Wong Seafood,

Taxes deducted from bonus lesser than expected

Now I got a few hundred RM extra as ammo

Ada apa rekomendasi? brows.gif

I know u bearish on developed markets via CIMB Global Titanic...

So, CIMB Asia Pac Dynamite Income, for more Aussie and Kiasuland exposure, ok? Or Asia ex Japan (more on ASEAN+HK) small-mid cap? notworthy.gif
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Not bearish lar - just not of value.
Asia is getting to be more value (excluding China)
ENERGY sector leh tongue.gif
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Jan 14 2015, 09:32 AM)
Wong Seafood,

Taxes deducted from bonus lesser than expected

Now I got a few hundred RM extra as ammo

Ada apa rekomendasi? brows.gif

I know u bearish on developed markets via CIMB Global Titanic...

So, CIMB Asia Pac Dynamite Income, for more Aussie and Kiasuland exposure, ok? Or Asia ex Japan (more on ASEAN+HK) small-mid cap? notworthy.gif
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Not bearish lar - just not of value.
Asia is getting to be more value (excluding China)
ENERGY sector leh? tongue.gif
Note - i'm prepared to hold 2 years or more

BTW, past 2 years or so, i was lustful for BRICS (China & India) & ETF CIMBX25 (now called CIMBC50) for China lelong..
last half or quarter 2014, up up and away.. icon_idea.gif
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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Jan 14 2015, 09:45 AM)
Not bearish lar - just not of value.
Asia is getting to be more value (excluding China)
ENERGY sector leh tongue.gif
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AmCommodities look decent hmm.gif

http://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/admin...eetMYAMCEQT.pdf

But all the while I don't invest in sector-specific funds sweat.gif

Its main holdings...Exxon, Shell, Goldcorp... rolleyes.gif
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QUOTE(aurora97 @ Jan 14 2015, 09:34 AM)
yup you are right.

I just saw the second pop up when i tried and click on the 2015 statement. It's said the 2015 statement will be made available once the dividend has been declared.

Anyway, you decide whether dividend payouts by EPF are better than unit trust funds.

http://www.kwsp.gov.my/portal/about-epf/in.../dividend-rates
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I do have investment using EPF but thru PM UT funds... 1st time investor at that time, so far my PM UT funds i invest thru cash is better performer than thru EPF monies...
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EPF is paying good dividend. Taking money from EPF to invest in Unit Trusts and paying service charge, do you actually get better return than simply leave them in EPF, no extra work, no need reminder, no hassle  extra fees?
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Most Consistent EPF-Approved Funds....February 19, 2014
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Currently on our platform, there are a total of 86 EPF-approved funds (including Fixed Income, Balanced and Equity funds). You can use the fund selector function to filter these funds.

Minimum criteria: Achieved at least 6.5% every year from 2009-2013.

The results show that out of the 86 funds, 5 balanced funds and 9 equity funds successfully met the criteria.

http://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/resea...?articleNo=4331
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Some interesting chart to share tongue.gif

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Jan 14 2015, 10:12 AM)
Some interesting chart to share tongue.gif
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hmm.gif correlation?
so have 1 have all?
what is NOT correlated?
to buy as counter balance? hmm.gif
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QUOTE(yklooi @ Jan 14 2015, 10:18 AM)
hmm.gif correlation?
so have 1 have all?
what is NOT correlated?
to buy as counter balance?  hmm.gif
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Just to show that CIMB Global Titans tracks the 3 markets (US+Europe+Japan) quite well thumbup.gif

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Jan 14 2015, 09:49 AM)
AmCommodities look decent hmm.gif

http://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/admin...eetMYAMCEQT.pdf

But all the while I don't invest in sector-specific funds sweat.gif

Its main holdings...Exxon, Shell, Goldcorp... rolleyes.gif
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I wonder any tools to know the funds correlation??

If have, then very useful for newbie like me.

Anyone knows this tool? I heard fund investment hoyse have this tool and very handy.
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QUOTE(prince_mk98 @ Jan 14 2015, 10:37 AM)
I wonder any tools to know the funds correlation??

If have, then very useful for newbie like me.

Anyone knows this tool? I heard fund investment hoyse have this tool and very handy.
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Correlation with what?

Against benchmark indices? Against peer funds?
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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Jan 14 2015, 10:35 AM)
Wisemen says "I change my thought when the facts / situation change" tongue.gif
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Wong Seafood,

What u think of AmCommodities punya underlying holdings/target sectors? notworthy.gif

FSM have another commodities/energy-focused funds, but the numbers not as nice as AmCommodities'...

http://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/fundi...lnumber=MYML002
http://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/fundi...lnumber=MYML002

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