Continuation from [V1]. Previous discussions can be found here: Car Detailing

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Finally!!! good job bro Krismas

This post has been edited by mav3rick: Feb 27 2013, 10:35 AM

What job? For posting those two sentences???

Took me 10 minutes to figure out how to do them properly. I think I'm sticking with physical work like washing my car(s) and leave all these 'tech' stuffs to you guys la.....

Anyway. Just hope this one would 'prosper' much like its predecessor.....

This post has been edited by KrisMas: Feb 27 2013, 10:41 AM

Passing by to say hello

Passing by only ka? Stop by la...we serve Meguiars, Mothers, Optimum, Sonax, 3M, Soft99, Duragloss, Makita, DeWalt, Bosch, Flex, bla..bla...bla...

This post has been edited by KrisMas: Feb 27 2013, 10:49 AM

i like my car to be either very clean, like showroom condition clean, or be dirty and i do mean really dirty like it just went through mudroads.

since the latter is easy to achieve i usually just keep it that way

LOL

it will, if you post those "how to" step by step guides.. full of anticipation for those..

Duragloss tak ada?

regardless still a good job, more so if you're not tech/forum savvy!

and with the participants as with previous thread, im pretty sure v3 can happen very soon as well XD

Edited to include (good also, if somebody were to do a search then hopefully they'll find this thread useful)

Are there any guides on how to use spray paint to repair bumper nicks and scratches?

mini-guide on watermarked/blurry windscreens courtesy from krismas and other forumers who provided tip on v1 thread previously:

oh prior to the singapore trip with family, the 4 to 5 hours of detailing work on the nissan sentra totally paid off:
rained all the way back from singapore to KL Malaysia, and the windscreen/windows /side mirrors was repelling water splendidly!
barely need to turn on the wiper at all as the wind from the car's speed is enough to repel most, if not all of the rain.

method
- full car wash (including rim scrubbing lol, might as well right?)
- using foam pad + tooth paste and slowly scrub the windscreen
- after water rinse/wash, microfiber cloth + vinegar slowly wipe/scrub the windscreen > water rinse/wash again (at this point you'll notice water is beginning to sheet off properly
- some light claying using only water as lube
- microfiber cloth + apply/wipe around the windscreen with turtle wax glass cleaner, let dry then microfiber cloth to buff/remove residues (you can start to use hand/plastic bag test to feel on the windscreen)
- last step = apply rain x with microfiber cloth, let dry/cure and buff/remove residue x2

result = water hates your windscreen now
oh and rain x water beading result is quite pretty too lolz
sorry no pics since was speeding and family's safety is a priority (yes i know that isn't saying much since i was speeding )

btw thread pinned

Good job for the V2

Lemme start the thread with some pics.

Did a 50/50 on a heavily swirled boot. Still got some odd deep scratches. Might wanna run a few more passes of finishing polish next time.


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WOW...AG EGP..??!! I haven't seen that being used (or rather posted on-line locally) for a loooooonggg time.....

But....errr....isn't EGP for protection (sealant)? SRP is the one for swirls right? Or did you use something else for them?

Haha, the EGP is for protection only. I used Osren perfect cut 2.0 polish with lc orange pad, followed by white pad to refine it.

Btw, I've been trying to used up the EGP. About time to try something else as lsp

Nice one Quazacolt.

Been using RainX for ages now and can't seem to find any other product that works as well and as economical (value for money) on front windscreen. There are now 'coatings' for glass but they are so d*** expensive and just not economical to use. I'm currently testing Aquapel. It's still beading on my front windscreen after 6 months but, even when freshly applied, it still can't beat the way RainX 'scares' water away, even at low speed (50km/h ~ 60km/h).

Well i did find a side effect from using NXT Glass cleaner weekly it seems to give some water beading and 'scaring' effect of course not as effective as RainX an neither does it last long (less than a week)

This post has been edited by mav3rick: Feb 27 2013, 11:52 AM

EXACTLY.

other products *MAY* work better, however as you said, d*** expensive lol.
and yea water and rain x are strong enemies

mom actually likes it (and in a way appreciates that i actually picked up car detailing as another hobby lol) as she doesn't have to use the wiper as frequently especially when her wipers are long overdue for replacement (rubber, over 3 years, some parts torn, squeaks like mad and barely wipes off anything)

Finally v2

Anyway, krismas please spend more time to put in step-by-step guide to clean and protect the car.

Hi guys.

Ran out of car wash soap and would like some suggestion for:

1. car wash soap
2. last step product (for protection, shine, and beading)
3. tar remover (some people say use wd40..but i sked)
4. watermark remover (some people say use vinegar)

This post has been edited by bakry: Feb 28 2013, 05:10 PM

1) cheapo ones can try sonax/turtle/mothers
more expensive would be meguiar's or other brands mentioned
2) same as 1)
3) consider quick detailer products such as meguiar's ultimate quick detailer
4) refer first page for my guide.

Bakry, what kind of budget are we looking at?

Budget... no idea.. tak sampai 300...

I didn't know the uqd can remove tar. Will look at it

Maybe Meg Bug n Tar Remover might?

guys, can we get pinnacle stuff in Malaysia?

afaik need to import, like from autogeek.

personally im interested in their glass products, maybe you can try and feedback?

hahaha.. i wanted to get their Micro Rejuvenator Microfiber Detergent Concentrate since i always machine was my MF. sigh.. dont think its likely anymore since shipping fee is a killer..

oohh yea that too...

oh well

ehehe.. guys, i'm still kinda noobie in terms of detailing, hence still have several questions on the following:

1) Ultimate Polish
The instructions say to work the product into the paint and not allow it to dry. My question is, how long do i need to work the product if i'm not removing any minor swirls?

2) Ultimate Liquid Wax
I'm been somewhat lazy, the instructions recommend 2 coats of the product but so far i've only been applying one.. but i may want to try 2 coats in my next application (early April). How long do i need to leave the first coat (after buffing) before i apply the next?

all help is most appreciated

http://carguys.com.my/Super-Detailing/q?ci...&doit=showclass

This one can use too?

Beat me to it....terribly expensive though....

1. not how long...but how hard you apply pressure. Since you're not trying to do any correction, just lightly would do...like applying wax but more passes.

2. I'd normally try to leave any wax/sealant overnight or a few hours of 'baking' under the sun before/if doing another layer.....

Anyone try NanoBrite (http://www.nanobrite.com.my/) before?

nice.. but seems expensive. Have you bought from them before?

thanks for the advise. regarding no 2, if you leave it overnight, do you use a qd to wipeoff first before you apply the 2nd layer?

--double post-- no idea why

This post has been edited by mav3rick: Mar 1 2013, 05:01 PM

Only if I see much dirt settling on the surface (more worried on horizontal then vertical surfaces). Or else I'd just go lightly with a *very* plush mf before layering....panel by panel.

Is just me or..does UQD smells really good?

Plus, using vinegar+water for my windows made me very hungry for some dumplings

Saw the photos... for the super shine.. wah damn shiny

Hi fellow detailers, just thought of sharing some pictures to spice up the overall thread





So, Mr.Krismas, I haven't seen your detailing work for quite some time, any interesting shots coming up soon ?

Question on Rain-X

Can we use it on the read window as well? Some ppl say its ok, some say
i shouldnt.

Well...if you wanna see my car again...the same car...I can post it up....hehehe.....

Errr...what's a 'read' window? If you mean rear window (windscreen) then it just fine. But if you mean rearview (side) mirror...well...I also heard people saying don't. I've used it a couple of times already and so far no detrimental effects noticed (but remember, if it works it doesn't mean that it's right). You might want to stick to dedicated products if you're worried. Glaco has a dedicated product for mirrors...but a couple of guys using it says it doesn't work as good or last as long (though I think they were comparing it with RainX....).

Yes, bought some items from them before. Normally I only go for their promotions item.

I do not use special liquid for MF cleaning, just liquid detergent only. So far my MF cloths are still ok.

Rain x after half a month since previous Chinese new year, still strongly repelling water http://twitpic.com/c83ang

Water not able to stick lol! beading from rain x isn't pretty, but it does get the work done http://twitpic.com/c83b8l

whr can i get the perma glass wonder clay in jb area?

Yes my bad, REAR Window aka rear windshield... sorry ya..im known as the typo king

I haven't faced any issues so far applying Rain-X or any water repelling substance on the rear windshield. No problems applying it on the side mirrors either.

one thing that sticks out like a sore thumb whenever i wash my car now is the blardy stone chips!!! even though you need to really scrutinize to see them, it still irritates the shit out of me.. have a lot of it on my front bumper and bonnet.

grrr... any recommendations other than respraying? my car is only coming to 3 months old. i travel back to ipoh every weekend and the North South Highway seems to be the main culprit here..

I learned to close an eye and live with it (in the mean time, also learning to do touch-ups properly..). Bad touch-up would make the sore 'thumb' larger and more noticeable.....

Preventive actions:

Clear bra....good ones are so d*** expensive.
Next best...plastidip...also expensive....
Next...avoid tail gating or following the car in front too close....

Re-spray options:

DuPont High Solid...add clear bra for 'extra protection', of course...but no $$$$ la.....

i also wanted to try the touch up packs like Ezy. I'm just as afraid to screw it up as well.. arghh.. just turn a blind eye la..

I've gotten a paintshop supplier (automotive) to blend me a small can of matching color paints for both my cars. Tried twice...failed on both occasions... they look worse than before 'touch-ups'....*sad*

hmm.. meg's 2013 stuff is finally here.. i still have one small bottle + 1 16oz bottle of ULW left.. dont think i will be trying this anytime soon

_https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.487229628000096.1073741826.131759090213820&type=1

it looks pretty interesting though.

btw.. is anyone using the M21? any feedback on this? does it work with hand application?

What do you want to know about M21? I had both, M21 & M21 2.0...also NXT & NXT 2.0...back when I was still 'crazy' about Megs......

how does the M21 compare against the NXT and ULW? Does it work with hand application as well?

my buddy mentioned that NXT has better shine when compared to ULW but doest last as long.

Not much different from NXT except (maybe) a little bit less cleaner in it. No problem applying by hand. Haven't really used it with a machine (rotary)...only had used it with my bosch ROB. And yeah.....durability (beading) sucks.....

For hand polish, what would you recommend?

M101....

isn't the 101 a compound?? does it work better than the 205 in terms of polishing?


btw, seems like the M21 doesn't look that promising. I think i better stick to my ULW. What sealants are you using, if you dont mind me asking

By hand, M101 can do both....can finish just as nice....

Haven't been using any sealant for quite a while now....MUAHAHAHA.....

oh...but if you're looking for a good sealant...you might wanna try Menz Power Lock.....

This post has been edited by KrisMas: Mar 5 2013, 05:47 PM

ahh.. good to know about the M101. wow.. no sealant? you're on carnauba waxes?

Coatings......hehehe.....

ahh... ic..

should be diy one right?

Anyone here use rm1.50 plasticine as clay bar ? I try on my 2 years repainted car last weekend with dis washing liquid, dry, follow by meg synthetic n quick shine. I hv not try meg clay bar but I did try perma clay bar. Not a pro but to me it's the same. I always lazy skip this clay bar and head for polish but than the cloth becomes real dirty. Well the above after applying meg synthetic, cloth comes clean.... Happy with it.

Of course.....

You're kidding right????

Plasticine..hmmmm...interesting.... how was the outcome?

ehehe.. that will be another challenge for me.. but not now.. not enough kung fu skill yet..

i'm actually trying to speed up my current processes. As of now, a normal maintenance wash (with detailer or wax topper) for me takes about 2-3 hours (the latter if I'm scrubbing and waxing my wheels). If its with claying + waxing that will take about 1 hour more. If i'm doing polishing that will definitely add about 1.5 hours. Interior cleaning and applying protectants will definitely take about 1.5 hours. lucky i dont have to do everything every single week

maybe i should invest in a DA polisher to speed up my waxing/polishing process.

This post has been edited by mav3rick: Mar 6 2013, 01:38 PM

that's my main concern too

i take more time to do my maintenance if include waxing (and of course scrubbing wheels as i brake hard, rofl. and glasses as i want crystal clear visibility as i sometimes even speed in rain/wet conditions) , about 3-4hour ish

Waahhh!!!!....I tot I was slow.....I need AT LEAST 2 hours for my *proper* weekend wash. But I can do a *quick* wash in around 1/2 hr....hehehe

You don't need much skill to apply a good quality coating (....well...actually...I only found ONE coating so far that can be described as such...hehehe...).

yeah.. the home minister is not really happy that i'm spending so much time with the car..

btw.. this just came into my mind while washing my microfibres last week. the dynamo detergent that i'm using on that day was the one from the new range called Dynamo Complete. I noticed that the descriptions says:

"New Dynamo Complete provides superior tough stain removal better than ordinary detergent + stain remover + whitener + brightener, keeping your clothes Clean Like New even after 10 washes"


the whitener is not good for MFs right? beginning to notice that my MF is a little less 'bouncy' now.. sigh.. is it dead?

No Kidding. I try the whole portion back of my car booth. my personal opinion, if i close my eyes and feel between clay bar and plasticine, well its the same.
What are the ingredients of course i would not know or too technical to know the difference.

when i rub the plasticine, there are dirt that stick to plasticine, like clay bar, like expert in clay bar says, use your hand to feel any pimple(did not try the plastic bag as forgot) and its smooth.... will do the rest this weekend if got mood.

wow.. you used dishwashing liquid as lubricant for your 'clay' ??

very brave of you sir

This post has been edited by mav3rick: Mar 6 2013, 03:18 PM

No lah... diswashing liquid mix with water, as soapy as possible. lazy like me sometime i put a little FAB, BREEZE with car shampoo coz sometime car too dirty, impossible to wash all the light dark dirt.

Anyone has tried http://protech.mc/home-my.html?

Which coat is worth the money spend as there are many coating product?

guys.. noobie question again.. where to do all buy those transparent pails? can't seem to find them in the hypermarts as well as my local hardware store..

parkson selayang mall had some transparent pail, however not fully transparent, got color

still serve the purpose of able to peer in and see how high the dirt level is and avoid them while rinsing my MF sponge/cloth etc

thanks bro. do they come in sizes that will accommodate a grit guard?

eh i think it isnt that vital for grit guard to fit perfectly? because it is to prevent your cloth from reaching (or stirring the water enough for the dirt to rise instead) the dirt that sinks underneath where without, one may do so by accident

so long the bucket isn't in some odd shape and has the minimal gallon amount that grit guard specifies, i think it should be fine

I'm selling some of my pads in case anyone's interested

http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopic=2729108

Fresh water droplet from an under pass while waiting for traffic light. it is rejecting water even at standstill http://twitpic.com/c9zcs9

Any recommendation for a good and long lasting paint coating? Getting a Rio signal red, thought of applying coating to make the red paint last longer.

thanks!

hmmm.. i'm so gonna get RainX after I've used up my NXT glass cleaner

almost a month already (pre cny lol), and mom being lazy (and me reluctant to give a shit on a car that isn't mine lol), the car haven't been washed since i did pre CNY

rain-x is still performing well... for something in the low 10/20's in ringgits lol.

Hey guys.

I've been thinking for sometimes. How do you detail a matte paint surface like those on door window frame or bodykits? Appreciate some input here

anyone here using permanon? or duragloss?

it might just be me missing something when prepping the surface but permanon just wont last above 1 month or whatever duration it is sealant last (3months i think)

after it finishes though im gonna try duragloss! any good reviews on the sealant and car wash? because before permanon im using megs ultimate range.

altho due to its easy application, permanon is quite nice. wash clay seal in just over an hour

Hi everyone, I am bulking OEM Cobra Gold Plush at about 3.50USD/piece. But the price is without shipping back here and possible custom duty though. I wonder if anyone interested to try since it is a bulk I need fulfill MOQ.

I realize, the cleaner your car is, the more noticeable the dust sticking to your car.

I've just opti-seal-ed and wax my car. Feel so clean and shinny now, of course minus the swirl.

This post has been edited by MyWifeCar: Mar 15 2013, 12:54 PM

Hi, want to ask around. Should I send my new car to a polish n wax?
Where is the best place to do this? Heard it is few hundred ringgit for a good 3 layered polish n wax.

wah bro.. i see you've shifted to Optimum liao.. what's the verdict? much better than what you were using previously?

I always use Optimum, you mistaken me as someone else ah?

Just that I start to understand more into car detailing, and realize there are more or better alternative out there.

Well cleaning car is fun and satisfactory, as long as the wife do not grumble.

oh.. i must have mistaken then, becoz i remember you saying that you didnt get water beading initially. I thought you were using Megs as well..

anyway, we're in the same boat la.. Home minister grumble that i sayang my metal mistress more than her..

And the thing is, many people don't realize that dirt build up overtime can hamper water beading.

which is why we need to wash weekly right? anyways i am interested to see how the optimum system works. are you part of detailian as well? do let me know when you guys have the training facility set up. thanks.

Yup, I didn't get a very nice water beading effect. But water beading not really good lar, might have water spot issue too.

It was my method of cleaning that was the problem, also was rushing that time... Wifey grumble already.

Now practice more and more, and also consult other experience otai-otai, then getting hang of it already.

Actually you don't really need water beading, if you are doing regular cleaning. Just that if you have it on the mirror, then it will protect your wiper too.

I like krismas method on cleaning the windscreen, that really works.
I don't do that. I only wash->clay->IPA???->Turtle Rain protect, I mean on the windscreen only.

Yep.. It's like people think they sapu lotion on their body once, then they no need mandi and the lotion will keep on feeling smooth etc etc. When dirts build up, and slowly it will overtake the entire lotion.

Yep, I am part of Detailien. The training facility basically is at our Detailien Hive in Sunway Damansara, about when to organize, that is obviously up to KC.

I washed and dried my car, and then it rains!!!



After the rain i decided to dry the car again.

When i wiped off the water i noticed my microfiber had some black water/dust!!
I was like WTH!!

The car was cleaned before it rained.
Where did the dust /dirt come from?
From the rain obviously.

This shows how dirty rain can be.

This is... Unfortunately, quite true. And even not the rain, let your car sit there for half a day, and you notice dust on it already. Even worst if there is renovation nearby.

It's always a predicament. Wash Saturday morning and rained in the afternoon. Should I or should I not just do a simple rinse-and-dry the next day....???

I've learned to live with it and let it be unless I have the time to do a quick wash (with shampoo). A simple rinse with water alone would yield the result like you had - quite risky. The non-rinsing wash method is a no-go for me as I don't like the polymer that they leave behind. Oh what we would do keep those swirls away.....hahahaha....