hi guys wat u all this bout mc ocean business..can b trusted? need your guys advice

Was being brought to their office today...... I also found things weird... I posted a new tread to ask about this actually...I was searching Steady Destiny instead of McOcean...

They claim that their KPs make a lot of money...20k to 100k... And after all they intro me a KP, and when I look at him... Argh

This post has been edited by jeenhao: Aug 25 2012, 11:47 PM

Never heard of Mc Ocean yet..

So,what's not right in this type of mlm?google'd and found they have office in few other asian countries.Anyone care to share?

http://www.jutawangold.com/pengalaman-hamp...bak-dengan-mlm/


Taiko tai on June 11, 2012 at 3:29 pm said:

Wa ala pigi itu function M&U….Istana Hotel KL sana….mula-mula manyak syiok lamai olang satu malaysia wa pon ada sikit jelit2….suma cakap2 bikin hot itu hotel ballroom….wa tak paham apa pasai mau celita itu biz kena bikin loan 34K untok olang balu….wa butui2 talak paham itu ada solang budak botak pakai tai melah sula cakap2 sampai mata ala melah kasi support team leader so suma latang kena bikin loan guna nama sindili la nama bini la apamacam ??? jangan itu macam la kawan suma datang sana tatak senang punya olang lagi lu mau suloh bikin loan kaa??? wa bukan kondem tapi wa setuju kalau lu olang kasi chance bagi olang balu mula join modal RM2ribu lebey dulu itu saja….jangan ini macam….itu selupa tamak punya olang mau cepat kaya mau pangkat lagi atas tapi kasi sakit kepala olang balu mau join suloh buat loan meh…….
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anti-penipu on June 14, 2012 at 12:38 pm said:

saya pun hampir tertipu dengan janji-janji manis dan perangkap kehidupan mewah yang ditawarkan oleh mereka ini.

Modus operandi mereka:

1. macam2 janji yang diberi, dan gambar2 kereta mewah yang digunakan oleh “upline” akan di tunjuk.

2. “laburlah wang anda!” ini pun taktik yang diguna pakai, secara sah akan memerangkap sesiapa sahaja.

3. Pada mulanya mereka akan tanya “adakan RM200 ribu adalah banyak untuk anda melabur?”… semestinya kita jawab “YA”…

4. Selepas itu “adakan RM20 ribu banyak untuk anda melabur???”… “YA” jugalah jawapan saya…

5. Selepas itu… kita memang tunggu nak masuk perangkap la… “adakah RM2ribu banyak?”… kita pon fikir.. “ok jugak pe!” dan saya pun melabur lah RM2000 yang dikumpul dalam bank.

6. Selepas itu, dipaksa bayar RM150 untuk Money&You, pergi situ, baru lah saya sedar yang saya telah terjerat, kerana modal bukan RM2000! modal sebenar adalah RM34ribu!!! YA! RM34,000!!!

7. Dengan melabur RM34,000 dan menjerat orang lain (kawan-kawan, keluarga dan lain lain), kita bertungkus lumus untuk mendapatkan balik modal kita, dan untung sudah dilimat oleh “upline” kita.

8. Soalan saya : “adakah anda ingin menjerat orang lain seperti mana anda telah dijerat?”

Semua ini adalah taktik2 untuk mengaut keuntungan daripada kita, JANGAN… TOLONG JANGAN terpedaya. Saya telah kehilangan hampir RM36,000 dan juga kehilangan kepercayaan kawan dan keluarga.

Saya telah bertaubat dah ingin meneruskan kerja saya untuk pendapatan. Walaupun makan gaji, namun saya tidak perlu menjerat orang lain dan mendapat cemuhan dan sumpahan…

TOLONG JANGAN TERPEDAYA!
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http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/2506543

Hi prempenang,

Minggu lepas kawana saya pun bawa I pergi ke office MC ocean kat Frasers park.
Saya pun go thru like u.First at old town white coffee tapi mereka tak beritau
nama syarikat pun.lepas tu,suruh I datang kat office mereka.
I pun pergi sebab kawan I terdesak I untuk pergi sebab dia dah book appoinment untuk I.
Lepas dengar cerita daripada KP F..... dan modalnya adalah RM2113 shj.
Saya diberi satu form untuk isi dan kata mereka kalau tak mampu boleh bayar rm260(registration fee &M & U FEE).
Yang BAKINYA boleh bayar kemudian.
Pasal Form tu,dia orang suruh I sign so that kalau i nak buat bisness,dia orng tak perlu susah payah utk ambil sign dari I dan
KP mereka busy so easy kalau I sign.I pun taruh sign I.
Keesoka harinya kawan I call and tanya kat I sama ada saya nak buat bisness in i ke tak?
Then saya kata,saya kata kena fikir dulu.
Dia kata modalnya sikit dan dia sanggup bayar untuk I yang balance rm19xx.
Dia suruh I bayar rm260 sahaja.
Lepas tu,I google and find your post.
I sangat keliru sekarng tak tau nak cxakap apa kat kawan I.
Dia berada dalam bisness ini selama 6 bulan dan suruh saya ikut .
Tolong saya.....

After reading the above posts, its a MLM for sure.

This post has been edited by kurty: Oct 15 2012, 09:36 AM

Joined today at 10.45pm and straight away posted in here....u expect us to believe u?
Show some proof that u have been earning the amt that u said first

Yes, show the proof!

I also been invited to their event before.

For those interested to join, my advice is just do more research about this company.

written like some sort of standard replys

no offense, i still believe doing the rightful ways

hello

It"s okey if you do not want believe it.It is a public forum and I can"t post because of security purpose.You say I sign up and immediately post comment.yup true when i reading this before i am not in this company and bot member here too.i post after i join the company it.I just share my opinion and exprience .Is up to you want to take it or not.
Thank you.

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Added on October 25, 2012, 1:28 pmhello

It"s okey if you do not want believe it.It is a public forum and I can"t post because of security purpose.You say I sign up and immediately post comment.yup true when i reading this before i am not in this company and Not member here too.i post after i join the company it.I just share my opinion and exprience .Is up to you want to take it or not.
Thank you

This post has been edited by leesoymoy001: Oct 25 2012, 01:28 PM

ceiii.... lame tactics jor..

Penipu..

Well the thing is for him to earn, he needs waterfishes , lets face it if he's wrong he's not going to be acountable. He'lll just keep quiet and leave the forum.

Guys,

Just to broaden your horizons. MLM is a legal tem used as a marketing strategy. Please do not confuse yourself with "Ponzy Scheme". A lot of "MLM" companies misuses this term but infact practice Pozy Scheme. This is when the company fails and people like you and me will blame MLM. If MLM is indeed ILLEGAL, there would not be any MLM companies at the moment i.e. Amway, Cosway.

MLM is just an alternative business concept that requires relatively small modal to startup. Just like insurance. Oh and even Insurance agencies are using network marketing concept i.e recruiting new agents to enjoy overiding bonuses.

MLM is not a problem but choosing the right MLM company is. So in that perspective please do your research. Do not only echo what you have heard from people who have heard from people.But you yourselve don't know what it is all about.

I have been in this company for 2 months and yes I am seeing my returns. If you work hard you will see results.This is a business and not an investment scheme. There's a difference. Mc-Ocean has got AJL (Akta Jualan Langsung) Licenses, whereby we are regulated by the government, Kementerian Perdagangan Dalam Negeri Koperasi and Kepengunaan (KPDNKK). You run your own business and you will see your income. If you don't work, then you will not see your income. I'm brave enough to say that this principle applies to any business nature.

Now then, just because one fails, they will blame the whole world except themselves. That is the basic human nature. they will not improve and they will also not let anyone else improve. Just like our friends here whom have been condemning this company. If it was illegal as well we would not be here by now. Please rationalise your selves and not blindly echo the failuers.

Think again if it was a scam why would SO MANY PEOPLE BE SUCCESSFUL in this business? If they can do it, whay can't I? At least I am trying to change my live rather than to sit in front of my computer and waiting to laugh at people's failure.

I'm again not condemning anybody but to some, this business is their ricebowls and more importantly it's legal (Please check with KPDNKK).

Thanks.

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Added on December 18, 2012, 4:01 pmhi,

Just to broaden your horizons. MLM is a legal tem used as a marketing strategy. Please do not confuse yourself with "Ponzy Scheme". A lot of "MLM" companies misuses this term but infact practice Pozy Scheme. This is when the company fails and people like you and me will blame MLM. If MLM is indeed ILLEGAL, there would not be any MLM companies at the moment i.e. Amway, Cosway.

MLM is just an alternative business concept that requires relatively small modal to startup. Just like insurance. Oh and even Insurance agencies are using network marketing concept i.e recruiting new agents to enjoy overiding bonuses.

MLM is not a problem but choosing the right MLM company is. So in that perspective please do your research. Do not only echo what you have heard from people who have heard from people.But you yourselve don't know what it is all about.

I have been in this company for 2 months and yes I am seeing my returns. If you work hard you will see results.This is a business and not an investment scheme. There's a difference. Mc-Ocean has got AJL (Akta Jualan Langsung) Licenses, whereby we are regulated by the government, Kementerian Perdagangan Dalam Negeri Koperasi and Kepengunaan (KPDNKK).

Now then, just because one fails, they will blame the whole world except themselves. that is the basic human nature. they will not improve and they will also not let anyone else improve. Just like our friends here whom have been condemning this company. if it was illegal as well we would not be here by now. Please rationalise your selves and not blindly echo the failuers.

This business can be trusted!

This post has been edited by exlish: Dec 18 2012, 04:01 PM

Really? if you are so supportive of this, tell you what why don't you take your earnings out and pay for my membership to join i will give you 100% of the first 3 months of my earnings for you paying my membership fee..

good deal for you right? in 3 months you earn 2 times the amount...

No risk to you also right? cos sure will make money sure will earn.. so you just pay the initial startup cost for me la..

how about that? are you willing to put your money where your mouth is?

Hi,

In this business, we require businees partners who share our aspirations and also have the hunger to grow with us together. I approach people who wants business oppurtunites and not con them in it. If you think you can do it, you do it. I'm not here to guarantee you your returns. When there is an openeing for workers in our business i'll let u know... coz u surely sound like one.

In business there is always risk. Like i said this is not an investment. If its not your cup of tea then I wish you all the best in your future undertaking.

Regards

okay..

what does your business do? how is your income generated? what are the business assets? how is the corporate structure of the business? how much tax does the business pay?

a more basic question is what will you do with the initial investment i put into the business to be a "business partner"

my previous post was more to leesoymoy001, who makes grand claims about the viability of mc ocean. you on the other hand seem more rational, so please explain more

people get conned because they usually don't ask the right questions to promoters like you.. and we all know that promoters like to tell the good parts and never the bad parts.

You come to the wrong hive (lowyat forum). If you think we are just normal bees then you are making a big mistake. Infact, we are giant hornets from japan. Run now before they wake up and eat you alive.

Hi,

First of all I would like to thank you for rationalising yourself. Sir we are in a similar situation to this :

"Before you attend a job interview you ask your soon to be eomployers to declare all their assets and wateva u've mentioned above. Because you are not sure that the company might or might not close down tommorow. You do all the talking to your soon to be employers which does not sound right at all."

If you want to know more about the business then we can set an appointment and I can enlighten you further. The point of me writting in this post in the first place was to rationalise people's general concept of MLM and also that MC-Ocean has changed many peoples lives. People who have not thought of luxury life are now enjoying it through this business.

Employees who have worked tirelessly putting in 10-12 hours everday only to be paid 5k-8k is not going to enjoy luxury life and they can never become wealthy working until the age of 55. This is an alternative whereby you rip the rewards of your hardwork. You enjoy and "INCOME" and NOT a "SALARY". You also will be thoguht to think and move like a businessman.

Again this is not an investment. The general definition of an investment is that you don't have control of your returns. Business on the other hand is within your contol. You need a modal to startup a business which you are going to run. Also, we have AJL license meaning you are paying for a set of products. You can't invest and not get something in return in an MLM company. That is illegal.

Regards.

looks like this parasite refused to back down.. let the giant hornets do its job.

Sorry to say this sounds like a load of fluff to me, you are not telling me anything more about your company, and merely mentioning to meet up. you then disguise the short answer by putting lots of "mere commercial fluff".

I feel a bit ill-at-ease when people do not want to reveal basic information about their schemes online but rather get PMs and private meetings.

I would like to ask 2 basic questions, what products do i get, and where does my money go? revealing this information should not breach any confidentiality or business secrets.

the same way i would ask any investment. If gold broker, i would get gold (virtual or real) and my money goes to paying for the gold. Or in terms of shares i would get shares and my money goes to the promotion of that company.

in the same way, what do i get from an initial investment with you guys?

if you so proud of your business.
please provide link so that we can verify your so-call "investment"

I know Amway and Cosway sell consumer stuff. And they publish their product details, price etc...they are legitimate MLM

What does this Mc Ocean sell ? Some McDonalds products like fillet o fish ?

Or are you just selling memberships to feed those members on top ? aka ponzi scheme ?

Don't lah ask us for private appointment, pm....if you are legitimate, why fear disclosing everything in the forum ? Unless you have something to hide ?

they sold alot of product, etc water filter,health supplements, bla bla, etc

but they not emphasis on selling the products if you catch my meaning.

and they got 3 membership to sell as well..

You are wrong .
Actually they giving people "OPTION" which is
(a) Selling products
(b) Membership recruitment

but of course, people tend to choose (b) as it is the faster way to $$$$$$$$.

Guys,

It has been challenging for MLM companies to cope with the same way of marketing their products just as Amway and Cosway did those days. Studies have showed that there has been a steady decline in products sale through MLM because of 2 things:

1. The consumers are infact the retailer thus killing the consumer market.
2. Younger generations (Generation Y) opt to not trust MLM because of their tainted image.

So over the years, MLM companies have tried to improvise to suit with the current demands. One of the main problems MLM companies faced were nobody likes to sell products door to door. The only way to do it otherwise was to perform indirect sale aka. Recruit. Now here comes the interesting point. Are both these method's against our law and syariah law. No.

But the issue is people are getting smarter and smarter day by day. So this generation too are adamant in recruting because it was similar to a door to door sales. They also mentioned that "Why should you recruit me and make yoursleves richer (Upline)?" Mc ocean does not emaphasis on this. We have came up with a well structured method to show how we have overcame these problems. Thats why people are ready to join us. I've just became a member 2/3 months ago don't you think I would have anlysed these issues first?

We have products but we are not required to sell. Don't get me wrong we have excellent products but its just we have found another indirect way of marketing the product. If indeed Mc ocean is emphasizing on sales of products I would have been the first to put the name of the product up to get some sales here. But we don't practise that method.

If at all you are business minded this is the place to groom young upcoming entrepreneur. Conventional business these days take up to almost RM250k to startup. This does not include overheads, advertising, rolling funds, competion. How many of u guys can guarantee me x% of returns if I were to do your conventional business???what happens if it fails?Rm250K burn?Owe the bank for the rest of your lives?

This is where we provide an alternative solution. In any business its not the amount you startup with but how fast you get back your modal aka ROI%. There is no good or bad in business as long as its legal, well structured and you yoursleves believe that you can do it.

Regards.

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Added on December 19, 2012, 11:29 amHi,

You will get a range of products which you would find suitable for you.You will have to come to our office to choose the products. Your money goes to the company which releases the products of course.

Sir we are not a desperate comapny who focuses on sales of products. We want quality and capabale partners to grow with us. This business is only through invitation and not every tom d*** and harry can infact do this business. We don't want quantity, we want quality.

Regards.

This post has been edited by exlish: Dec 19 2012, 11:29 AM

they do sell product (typical health supplement, perfume, water filter, and i think got stationery too!) but trust me, they not emphasis on product selling.

thats the reason they wont reveal much about the product and for every so called ''meeting'' i attended, they emphasis more on recruitment and not products knowledge.

they will talked how poor they were, how unsuccessful they were but after joined this 360 degree change..suddenly can afford to buy big car and big house and can go travel..(lol, why all MLM always used this concept r?) although i can't denied they got someone successful in mlm but how many can get there?

they so called membership involved 3 level..i think the lowest cost around 100-200 (forgot the exactly amount) and the highest rm30000!

my fren who introduced this to me, he try alot of way to persuade me to join but now..he didn find me anymore..sigh

i just shared my previous experience with mc ocean and for those who interested to venture in mlm, just do more research before you join! nv join blindly! (sometimes a simple google can reveal alot of infomation)

by the way i found out mcocean were being banned before and cannot renew the license (but now settled) and also they were set up by those same group from lamberger (lol,just simply google it)

no hard feeling

So i was right.. you sell membership into the company..

I ask again what products you give.. you say you give retail price so why should i join the company when i can go out to the shop to buy the products?

if you really give products at retail price and if i leave within 6 months i get 90% of my money back then I should join up get the products and leave.. so i only pay 10% of the retail price for the products.

sounds like a good deal, what products do you give? don't say you give like RM30k worth of toilet paper la.. that one i smack you..

more importantly HOW does the company get the money to pay out to members?

It is based on new members coming in? if no new members come in then how?

What attracts new members to join? What service do you provide to attract new members?

What you tell me is basically you sell membership into the company

IMO, the "main business" here is selling membership to support the upline. Since they don't focus on products, if no new members join, they will definitely stop earning. Having the products is just to make them "look legal". Take away the products, and it'll be considered illegal. So legally, they are doing a legal business. They'll just twist the word saying you are paying for the products, instead of membership. And their everyone there will tell you almost the exact same thing (~90% of the contents are the same).

EXACTLY..they will let you take the products equivalent to the ''membership'' fees you paid.

Aiyah.. why you reveal so fast.. i was trying to make that fanboi admit it.. haha.. oh well =)

lol..who..? me?

not you.. exlish.. haha =D

The funny thing about your all your post is that, u're trying to sound smart and condemning mlm. I believe u have yet to venture into a business like this. You don't even know how mlm compensation plans work! Omg! FACEPALM! So before u condemn, educate yourself first.

The basis on how MLM works is through the sale of the product. Ie. Either through sales or people who join. The company receives the money and gives a pay out to the distributor or the upline. Oh yes, and on the 90% money back guarantee within a certain period of time, of course you have to return the products la! Another Facepalm for u!

So in the ealier posts... MLM gives you two options, either to sell or to recruit. Its FLEXIBLE and u can use either strategy (very similar to insurance industry). If u r against recruiting, then feel free to sell and I'm most glad to have a worker like u! I do agree that how people are forced to join is wrong and not ethical. But if a person sees an opportunity to do this business then why stop them? Its people who tarnish the image of MLM by the way they do things!

And in regards to failing and not succeeding in MLM, let me give u a glimpse of real life. Only 3% of the population is ultra rich, 10% live a very comfortable life, 60% work for a living and 27% require financial support. They say in MLM only the top 5% of people only succeed and the rest fail... So can u guarantee me that in your lifetime u can be in the top 10% of the population? If u can't does that mean u fail in life? And be another person sitting in a myvi condeming the person in a BMW that drives by?

Well, let's put it a conventional business perspective, did you know that 90% of all new businesses fail within the first 2 years? And yes that's hundred of thousands of lifetime savings down the drain. Ever wondered why u sit in a kopitiam talking about doing a business but nothing really happens? Its because 1. U don't have the cash 2. U know how high the risk is.

So, u decide nvm la I will continue working my way up the corporate ladder... I used to work in HSBC as a manager. And I thought to myself how to be a CEO? Then I realised HSBC had 300,000 staffs.... So that will be a probability of 1 in 300,000! Wah! I play toto 4D also have higher chance of winning! 1 in 9999 chance!

Haha! There are 3 types of people in life... 1. People who makes things happen. 2. People who sees things happen. 3. People who wonder what happened. So categerize yourselve and if u r no.1 pls come and find me and together we change our lives!

HSBC manager? "are you damn serious"?

So are you one of the SP in MC Ocean?

Yes, for HSBC Premier Banking. I also have a learn to swim business with several partners. Plus I'm also into MLM...

Have a business man point of view, always see the opportunity and grab it. But always help people sincerely if u do MLM and build them up cause their success speaks the loudest for you.

People who fail in MLM is because they have the thinking of, u pay me I move my a** but people who has the initiative move their a** first then reaps the benefits.

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Added on December 27, 2012, 5:56 pmLol! Why so keen to know? Well, if u wanna have a dicussion over drinks just PM me. ;p

This post has been edited by empro: Dec 27 2012, 05:56 PM

if you're rich. you'll be fine.. if not. god bless you.

I don't know how u define rich? But if earning 8k a month in a bank fits that description for u... Then god bless u too!

Never limit yourselves and take chances, cause behind every failure, success is waiting.

Guys, bottom line is this is a business after all. Please do not condemn a business if you don't know anything. I believe in respecting one's professional in any field. If this isn't your cup of tea then just move on. I'm an oil & gas engineer and I'm in this business. Like I said before this isn't an ordinary business.

jaya_pc87 got cash to burn, he can try as much as he likes mah. but in order for him to 'earn' his profit... the question is, how many ppl more he wants them to get involved (in other words, how many ppl money he wanna 'burn'?)

i dont care if those ppl got 'cash' de la... but if it's from young ppl, or person without extra cash to spare.. then, dont 'experiment' on them lo.. 'take your own risk'.

This business can be ''earn''...there is no doubt about it...if you manage to find a lot of ppl to ''burn''.

Bro.... One thing is for sure, most industries were the subject of critisizm. Lol! Look at banks, they were the biggest crooks and the cause for everyones financial despair in the subprime crisis.

Did you realize that we are the losers in everyday life? Just by consuming daily necessities like food makes someone else richer. What u think a can of coke costs? 8 cents to be exact. And u never complain about all the people who has reaped profit from u! Thanks for making them rich. But always complaining that in MLM u make the top person richer.

I hope to see that u go into business to sell your goods or services at cost price! Then u r being truly genuine. But what if a company comes and tells u, hey here's a loyalty card, now u're a member and any purchase u make, u get back a rebate. Plus, if u recommend any of your friends to buy our products, u also get bonus points. So, wouldn't your friends be keen to do that as well?

But as u all highlight, no.... Recommending or selling things to friends is so wrong especially when u make money off them. Hello! We are naturally born markerters like it or not. Let's say u buy a iphone5 or galaxy, wouldn't u share with your friends how great the phone is? So if apple gives u a commission for successfully getting your friend to buy the phone, is it wrong? Too bad these companies don't share their profits with u....

So yeah thanks for marketing products for free!

debate never ends. anyway, dont go sapu others ppl money. especially those still studying..

Very true! I totally agree with your points!

If can't afford the loan don't take it. But the bank is desperate to give it!

Coke is for enjoyment, yes. So in the end its totally up to u if you decide to drink starbucks or just kopi o.

What u r stating is that its peoples choice. And when people do something, its their choice. If u cannot do business then why do MLM? If u fail don't blame the company. Same case as in taking loan with the bank.

Don't blame anybody but yourselve! Have a reality check, nobody can force u to do something u don't want.

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Added on December 28, 2012, 12:25 pmAnd yes, do your research on manufacturing costs. With large production volumes, the cost of manufacturing will be low. So if u paid RM10 for a can of coke at a hotel, go figure how much people make. Ask the waiter next time, why your coke so expansive when outside only RM2?

U still have much to learn about macro economics. U have a degree in business?



This post has been edited by empro: Dec 28 2012, 12:25 PM

i dont need a degree to understand who make the profit.. it's the hotel ppl lo.. does COKE manufacturer earns that profit? no wor... and why do they wanna charge that high? who knows ya.. maybe becoz you lazy to go 7-11 and buy, hence you pay the hotel ppl rm10 for that coke that is served right at your doorstep. you paid for that service ya..

IF this company is really selling good stuff.. with reasonable price.. i think. you can SHARE them out here.. good stuff should SHARE de mar.. isnt it? instead of 'selling membership' to other.

And a lesson in marketing. Most people today associate products by celebrities who uses it or advertise it. Marketing and advertisement sells the experience by using a product.

Companies always claim their products are the best, its common sense to do so!

Let's take BMW's tag line.... The ultimate driving machine. Haiya... To me I feel a Ferrari is the best.

So what about the costs u paying? I've seen aston martin sticking their logo on a toyota and charge 10 times the price. Logical?

This is business, u may not like it and think its stupid people who buy these...

Who are u to make a remark like that when u don't have the money to buy it in the first place?

Btw, as u said its peoples choice. So don't condemn.

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Added on December 28, 2012, 12:42 pmLol! That's what I do! I see a great business opportunity. That's why I share! Haha.

Up to u to decide. Fair?

This post has been edited by empro: Dec 28 2012, 12:42 PM

Interesting...This thread was about mc Ocean and ending with some economics lessons.

BTW, we need suckers and lurkers in business. That's why there are rich and poor people. Otherwise, if everything is so fair and equal, there won't be any wealth gaps.

Lol Cyfer!

Finally someone understands. This is just business nature. Great business man sees opportunity first and the right timing.

Unfortunately this is the hard truth... Use or be used.

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Added on December 28, 2012, 1:16 pmBefore venturing into MLM there are always risks involved. Same as any other business u do!

We do not guarantee success. If u can find me a business that can guarantee success, pls do call me, I would love to join u!

However remember the 90% money back guarantee we give. Is risking 10% a lot to try to change your life?

This post has been edited by empro: Dec 28 2012, 01:16 PM

dont divert out la.. show the product/services/technology, with the pricetag.

Lol...never thought this topic can be drag so long...both party also got their own points..but this is good info for those interested to join mc ocean or whatever mlm...

No worries... If u really want to know, let us personally illustrate to u how it works.

Basically if u didn't understand what Jaya87 said then how can I better explain to u here.

Then u can see with your own eyes the product we have.

U're a smart guy, once u see how it works its up to u. I don't need to convince you. But don't simply condem before you truly understand.

just show the brochures or slides... or any documented information about the product la.. must it be 'personally'?

U want me to upload the whole presentation ar?
Together with all the product brochures?

We got like 80 over products man. Haiz... Just come out for drinks and network abit.

U'll understand that yes we recruit potential partners but only a handful. But no more than 5. That's all. So we 'don't desperately recruit also'. As yuen1985 said, his friend didn't come and approach him about the business anymore cause its not necessary.

Regards.

show something, for a start.

Is this the website? www.mcocean.com

Bro pls refer to the post by Jaya_pc87. U will see the start up cost.

Then the overiding percentage x the start up cost for a partner. Once u rank up u take your overiding and minus your below partners overiding and multiply the start up cost for future partners who join.

This how u earn your commission. So if any downline does any sales of product, u also multiply with your overiding.

Btw, u're the one who is interested to know more. Pls come find us. If not I wish u all the best in your future endeavours.

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Added on December 28, 2012, 2:39 pmYes it is.

This post has been edited by empro: Dec 28 2012, 02:39 PM

Another website but last update in 2011.

http://mc-ocean2u.blogspot.com/

Also notice Mc Ocean holding is hiring in JobStreet.

This company seems to be quite sustainable. With extension to Indonesia and Vietnam, there are plenty of untouch 'potentials'.

Well yes we are expanding our network... But the people working with McOcean determines its sustainability.

I cannot guarantee that certain members may play dirty and give us a bad rep. But as I know, our group consists of industry professionals and practice proper business ethics.

Same case if I take proton engineers and put them in BMW, would u buy their cars? So in actual fact u r investing into the people that make the company.

Chronicle...

Haiz... I'm just so tired to layan u la. As long this business gives me money to feed my family and live a good life, your opinions are of no value.

But since I'm earning a good income from this business, would u like to work for me? I'll give u a basic of 4k per month for you to do sales for me plus commissions if you hit your targets. I can see your love for SALES.

I can offer u a job or I can also offer you a business. Yes we do sell these products to customers. But there's nothing wrong for the consumers themselves to do the business.

These are everyday products we are dealing with. Why should I purchase outside when I have my own products I believe in? This is how we can maintain recurring income in this business. If u love your business, u love your products.

He questions ethics, but since you don't and neither does China and I can't be bothered - then we have nothing much more to debate on. Anybody can rip anybody off in the world today and its all legal. Dun like u kill u lo settle ma - our polis also can do that. Its just whether you consider the greater community at hand and whether you want to memajukan negara or continue buying iphone5 in the next millenium. Different people, different priorities.

Pls post up your resume for my review.

And if I hire you. I shall update this forum on your performance as my sales agent. Let's see if your talk cock skill can do something or not.

Your quota and monthly sales target will be RM40k (as per sales industry standard) anything above shall be a tiered percentage return

25% above target = 10k x 10%
50% above target = 20k x 15%
75% above target = 30k x 20%
Etc.

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Added on December 28, 2012, 5:00 pmAnd yeah being the cock talker u are. Don't say the product sucks. Wtf u care I'm your boss paying your salary, so when I ask u to sell u better do it!

This post has been edited by empro: Dec 28 2012, 05:00 PM

Lmao! U think Amway and cosway got no recruiting?

you want people to work for you.. you still dont' want to say anything about your products, you say you believe in your products when a couple of posts back you say products not important, more important is getting recruits..

so which is it? recruits or products?

you want to hire sales people you have to entice people by saying what you sell mah.. 5 pages into this you still don't want to disclose any products, no pictures no retail price no nothing...

btw it is not legal to cheat people... there is a reason why pyramid schemes are illegal... mc ocean seems to be using amway's legal business methods to disguise the pyramid scheme... even going so far as to have 2 separate companies, so that if anything happens, Mc Ocean company is safe from any litigation. I would venture so much as to say that the other company probably has no assets to recover from a law suit.

lol..actually their product is so so only..nothing special..most of them talk more about their success than the product..this is the fact...

the main point is mc ocean doesn't give a shit about their products and is more interested in selling membership

amway and cosway are focused on their products..

simple way to check go to the websites, mcocean website don't want to tell you anything about their products, say login is required meaning you have to purchase your membership first then you can see the products

amway website show you so many things about their products, got pictures and information etc etc

Are u sure so so? Yuen u also another one... U never try or consume then can judge?

Alpha PSP is one of our products.
We also have water ionizers.
And deep sea water which is a craze in japan.

McOcean is the manufacturer. Our products are being sold online through us distributors. Check for personal blogs.

Let me ask you what is your intention? To know the business or to consume the products? Pls be specific cause it seems u are keen to do the business rather than buying products.

If u want to buy, come over to our office to have a look.

And I don't understand why u keep saying I emphasize on recruiting? Did I also not mention sales as well? Wtf man... When u do this bizz up to u la u want to sell or recruit.

Ahh... this one interests me - water ionizers - care to describe to me how it works and the benefits? I've heard quite a bit but never tried.

ionizer like the air cond kua... but air cond is for what huh.. deodorize? kill bacteria?

Hey Dezs...

Gosh I didn't know u took that resume thing personally man... Was not even directed at you. Hope u don't lead your life that way dude!

The thing is. Yes we do have a proper business plan shown in a proper presentation. If u wanna see it then make an appointment. U go ask Apple how to be their distributor, u think they going to just post it up anywhere is it?

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Added on December 28, 2012, 5:32 pmYes Dezs just to keep it simple. It alters the ph of the water for different uses.

Like ph 5.5 for face, cause that our skins natural ph.

And like starbucks, they use alkaline water for their coffee that's why it taste different even u use the same beans at home.

This post has been edited by empro: Dec 28 2012, 05:32 PM

apple doesnt show their marketing skill to us.. nope. but they do post their hardware technical specification on all over the world ya..
this is how they sell their product. and how do you guys sell yours? behind doors? or.. discuss 'personally'?

Entirely up to u how u wanna sell. There are some distributors selling in lowyat also. Bro use the power of the internet.

Sell to your family members? Neighbours?

And a important thing I would like to highlight. U rank up base on your sales not purely through recruitment.

confusing statements.
or 'double standards'... which one..

Ok.... Put it this way. From GP to rank up to DP. U need total sales of 10k. U can sell by yourself. But what if u have 5 friends who are keen to do the business also?

They join and each one purchases almost 2k to start their business. Of course u need your own sets of products to do sales and show customers. So 5x2=10k. So u rank up.

Now how your partners decide to build their business is up to them. SELL PRODUCTS and RECRUIT. If you have a team to help you wouldn't that be easier?

And if you decide to sell by yourself, if u hit another 24k in sale u rank up another time lor. The payout is roughly 20% for the sales u do.

But if you have a team to do the sales isn't it much easier for u, plus u have overiding.

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Added on December 28, 2012, 6:11 pmSlightly more technical. If u are a DP your overriding is 24%. If your below partner is a GP his overiding is 15%

So, if he did a total sale of 10k, what u get is
24%-15%=9%
Hence 9%x10k=rm900.

But what if your partner works harder, does more sale than you and become the same rank as you?

What u get is
24%-24%=0 , so u no longer can earn any sales from him, unless u decide to work hard then rank up higher than him. This is fair and should not be seen as a pyramid scheme.

Isn't tht fair? How do you qualify to earn all his hard work. U also have to work. Its not free food.

This post has been edited by empro: Dec 28 2012, 06:11 PM

i heard bout this

the lower level people normally brainswashed to join..

many lost money

many indian and malay

chinese a bit smarter to avoid scams

The market is very new in KL.

Pls go to johor or penang and you will see the opposite.

Majority are chinese there.

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Added on December 29, 2012, 10:44 amThis is not a scam. As you see, we have highlighted how things the business works.

Showed you 3 of our 80 plus products. And these products are everyday consumables with recurring sales. Unlike lampe berger, some super mattress, gold investment and volcanic radiation stones.

This post has been edited by empro: Dec 29 2012, 10:44 AM

Thank you for the description.

FYI I am merely a 3rd party who stumbled along this thread in the midst of an ongoing debate - I am pointing out the obvious from a 3rd party perspective.

I would think I live my life more like an @sshole anyway - There are too many people whom I don't need to meet in life to be bothered with - its just a matter of filtering down the ashes to meet people I truly want to meet and deal with that would benefit me a.k.a. worth my time. That's the onus when it comes to proposing matters or in your case defending a concept that you believe in. Nobody here has anything better to do with your business plan here other than to put it under tight scrutiny to see if it is up to what it is claimed to be - a.k.a. "Products that are effective always hold up to scrutiny. " - unless its national treasure - but since any Tom d*** and Harry willing to invest will have this information as well - and that the possibility that any member or ex member has the capacity to disclose the information via various channels - I don't see any benefit of non-disclosure. A wonderful plan will appear as wonderful presented on paper as it is in person - that is a good business plan - what would you expect?

You want people to support you yet you belittle them and refuse to debate the topic - what kind of response would you expect? Until you "show us the money", nobody is gonna listen to you, and your attitude towards the topic is not going to make anyone less forgiving - if the business is that good and if it doesn't really matter whether we buy into it, then theres no need to waste your time here any further - go earn your money since these fools aren't listening. Please be reminded I have not said a single word against your company. I'm tying it directly to you since you're the agent and the solid spokesperson for the company here. I or any other basher here have nothing to lose acting as an @sshole in this thread - were the barbarians but you've got your company's public perception behind you.

Can someone reconfirm the above is true ?

empro seems to have said before the company don't emphasize on product sale ?

Argue so much here no use. If the above is true, those who think it is a ponzi can just send an email to KPDNKK. Let the authority go to their office and take back the documents to investigate

overpriced product, which doesnt sell. hence, selling 'membership' is easier lo..

Hi guys,visit the link below for mc ocean's product

http://mc-ocean2u.blogspot.com/p/product_18.html


It is true they don't push you to sell product,b'coz when you join as their member itself,you already purchased their product. you will receive products worth of RM 1900 after deduct all sort of fees from the initial payment of RM2163.so in order for you to generate income you have 2 options:

a) sales - you fork out more money,buy their product and sell them. or

b) recruit - you recruit ppl to be your downline,and receive commission of 10% of their initial purchase that is RM1900,it means you'll get RM190 for every person you recruit.you will also receive commission for every recruit done by your downline,the amount will be less then 10%.


so the process goes on,hence the pyramid will be formed.you will only earn as long as you and your downline recruit others.when it comes to a point where your pyramid stops,so will your income.



as for their recruiting tactics - an existing member,maybe a friend or family who already joined them will analysis ppl around,finding for a possible prospect.when they find one,will invite the prospect for a t-party(normal makan2).here they will intro you to other member and they will tell you their story.for example;

what they were doing before, how much was their salary and so on,then they will tell about how much they earn through this scheme and how long they have been doing it.


but to this point they will never tell you about the company(even the company name),also about the product.for further info,you will have to make an appointment and go for a presentation.but mind you,even here they will not brief you about their product.only will mention what are the product and where it's from.that's all.then,they will continue to talk about the recruitment and about their-self's.in the end will ask you to join them.

Put it this way..... If you want to emphasize that this is a pyramid scheme, then life is a one as well http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/...d-a-806772.html

Developed economies are crumbling because of debt and much importantly lower birth rates. Why are lower birth rates such an issue? Because governments need to collect taxes to fund their commitments. So eventually they can't cover their overhead costs such as public amenities and social welfare. Japan is a good example of an aging economy.

Technically isn't this a pyramid scheme as well? The government can't sustain due to lack of new population coming in.
So who u going to blame for being brought into this scheme as well? Must as well quit life right?

http://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/...nt_ponzi_scheme

So guys get moving and start recruiting (making babies). At least 6 kids should be sufficient to rely on for your retirement.

Thank god we still have kampung people to support our economy.

well...jus for your info, mc ocean is set up by the previous network in lamberger called STEADY NETWORK if not mistaken. so wad did those guy do? go and ask those lamberger salesperson n i think all of them are able to giv u an ans, they're quite FAMOUS among them =)

Yup, this is true but apparently alot of ppl duno abt it

jaya_pc87, you said you were going to give this company a test run for a couple of months starting mid-january 2013. Could you please give me your feedback (sharing of knowledge) to others as promised.

I only ask this because one of my relatives has joined this scheme and is seeking financial assistance to come up with some $30K. The bank will not lend his the money so he is very desperate. He comes from a poor family and this might all be a very very big scam and may leave him and his family in a worse situation.

I would appreciate some feedback please before it is too late. Thank you.

hello everyone.i have also been talked into entering this business.but by the looks of it, it has so many negative reviews.as said by one of the buddies here, the price to pay registered is the same.any thoughts? =.=

i'd come across many things like this...requiring u to pay 30k just to get some title ( manager, etc ) to convince ppl that he started making money at first join. these kind of tactics cannot last long due to the last person joining will lose out. some even use the tactic of driving fancy cars ( brabus ), which in the end, bank come to tarik their car......

the real MLM would be having some consumer based to sustain the group sales. thus, this is the real title being awarded and sustainable as compared to directly forking out 30k to buy some uncertainty with many failures rate shown. hope this can advise ur friend and those who r being brainwashed.

honestly its the exact business model from lamp berger
100% exact copy just with diff product
and we all know how it ended up right

i heard some of them from lamp berger as well