This business is all lies, dunno how people can get trapped in here, they're like brainwashed or addicted (to pain and financial loss), it's very similar to gambling addiction actually. They keep thinking "one more chance! If I can stick longer and work harder and believe stronger.... I'll be rich one day!". Unfortunately that day never comes...

No 1 Lie: This is NOT a get-rich-quick scheme!

It totally is. In fact, it's a money game. The products are just a smokescreen to their main activity which is headhunting new distributors. They don't really do genuine retailing, it's mainly just unloading a huge inventory onto the next person. Whatever claims they have regarding the products, are either a) made up, or b) placebo effect. They're always touting the benefits of their products and consuming them everyday but they're all constantly sick? 🤔 Also PLEASE get the approval of your doctor before consuming their products, especially those with chronic conditions like diabetes. Despite their claims, it does not work on everyone. Please be vigilant and careful about your health.

No 2 Lie: If we're an illegal pyramid scheme, how come we got AJL license for the next 5 years, JAKIM and SIRIM certification?!

First of all, we are a country where corruption is rampant and kopi-o licenses are easily obtained. I'm honestly skeptical when this argument is brought up because it seems like a lazy way to explain away their business.

Secondly, McOcean is just the manufacturer. Their KPDNKK license, JAKIM and SIRIM cert are obtained based on the quality of the products, and as a product-based company. No problem with that. However, the problem here is the business system, not the products. The distributors in the company is managed by a company called Steady Dynasty, and their main business strategy is headhunting and rank-buying in order to 'push' the products to new distributors. This kind of sales tactic is illegal in Malaysia, and is against any syariah compliance (to Muslims: it's riba, meaning it's HARAM). In fact, Bank Negara has acknowledged Steady Dynasty's business system as being exploitative, hence has listed the company in its illegal investment scheme blacklist for years already.

That's why McOcean business partners don't want their new partners using Steady Dynasty, instead SD Group is used instead.

No 3 Lie: Time Freedom

In the marketing presentation, they mention how you can achieve time freedom from this business, because you're no longer a slave to the evil corporate world. This is wrong. Actually all you're doing is changing to be a slave for McOcean instead. You will be required to attend all kinds of time-consuming trainings, meetings, events, warm ups, etc -- even on weekends! You will constantly go home at midnight, and have no time to be with your friends and family. And the higher your rank is, the busier you get. So my advice to them is -- don't shoot yourself in the foot claiming something that isn't true. Call it time flexibility, not time freedom.

No 4 Lie: No Demotion

HAHAHAHAHAAHAH. In the presentation slides, they said that there is no demotion. Please, I'll make this short and sweet -- yes there is. From KP can go down to SP in a matter of months. This is a huge blatant lie.

No 5 Lie: You can make money in this biz!

No. No you don't. If we don't take into consideration the MLM industry average statistics of 99% financial loss, then you'd might be interested to know that the financial statement of the company is actually.... in deficit. Meaning it's not making profit. Not such a good idea to put your entire future into a company which is going through financial loss ain't it?

There are more lies, but I'll get to that later. Ciao!

This post has been edited by Devilwearsprada22: Sep 30 2017, 04:27 PM

Dude, it's more complicated than just reporting. Police's stand on MLMs are reactive, not proactive. If a lot of people complain, only then they'll do something, but the biggest problem is that victims aren't complaining because all of them have been brainwashed kaw2 by the KPs to make them feel like it's their fault for failing in the biz.

Also in the GPs form they cheat new partners by putting in a clause saying that whatever complains in the future you have about the company will be rendered null and void -- meaning its hard taking action against the company. They're super sneaky like that -- forcing contracts on unsuspecting people to make sure they don't report. But a scam is still a scam, and victims are created every day.

Can we not complain about people reviving this 'graveyard' thread? The reason why it's still being revived is because people are still being conned by it, and there is a responsibility to give awareness to new prospects about this bullshit business. Just trying to warn people here.

This company will eventually get bust (like most pyramid schemes) and it seems like their biz is slowing down since last year. But for now it's better for more people to know how deceiving this biz is so they don't join.

All MLMs are unethical, but they manage to get away with it because:

a) they try to associate their biz with legal direct selling to avoid any legal trouble

b) the authorities in Malaysia are corrupted and/or ignorant about scams (just look at the DBI Properties Dato Boy Iman case where they had KPKT menteri endorsing it but when it was revealed as a scam only then panic and say they weren't involved and then start putting out awareness about property scams, and then the fake dentist scam where PPIM helped bail her out using a fundraiser, etc)

c) MLM tactics is to brainwash all their victims to think that if they quit, means they weren't ambitious enough or a failure at the biz, so they feel shame and think its their fault and they don't report.

Mco and Steady Dynasty have already been blacklisted by Bank Negara for years but its still going on because they find all kinds of loopholes to continue their biz. It's crazy. And people still fall for it because of momentary greed and desperation.

(Of course McO people will namedrop Tun Mahathir, they love namedropping 🙄 that's the only thing they can do because when you ask then for facts and figures of their financial statement or income taxes, silent pulak. Just because a celeb/public figure endorses it doesn't mean it's right.)

This post has been edited by Devilwearsprada22: Oct 15 2017, 10:27 AM

I will do whatever I want to do, and it's funny how you didn't have any problem with other members posting in this 'graveyard' post for months until recently, hmm?

I also like how you say 'revenge' post because that's the exact defensive mentality of people in MLM. Of course it's about sour grapes, and not about awareness at all.

According to SSM, any profit or purchase will be split between Mcocean and Steady Dynasty -- McOcean gets 32% and Steady Dynasty gets 68%.

So when you refund, you can only inmediately get back the 32% money from McOcean. The other 68% you have to chase Steady Dynasty aka your uplines for it (and that's minus the GST and admin fee)

All the uplines are snakes, they'll try to weasel out of paying back the money by disappearing or just plain not answering the terminated members' calls.

Okay, agreed. I purchased their board of directors data and financial statement on SSM, I just want to see how true their words are about the business.

Right now PRDM is compiling a list of scams, but they will only put in a company if enough victims comes ahead to report to them. That should be a good first step for McOcean victims. The authorities have gotten slightly vigilant after recent scam events.

Wah lau wey, in a span of one year, the Gold Premier rank fee went up from RM2417 to RM2717?? No GST, but the fee price still increased? Shameless moneysuckers la these people.

It’s been a year since I terminated my account, feels great. The entire time I was in the biz I was constantly anxious, depressed, paranoid, suspicious, broke all the time, lying 24/7, having lack of sleep constantly, tired all the time from endless events with no break in weekends, feels like I had no personal goals/hobbies in life besides ‘making money’, almost never seeing my family because constantly running ‘biz’. Now I have my weekends back, I get insurance and medical coverage by my company, I have time for real hobbies, I get to hang out with friends without the looming pressure of recruiting constantly and feeling like we have an agenda with them. Just genuine friendship and free company! Feels goooood you MLM people can’t relate.

Sure I had to pay back the ‘loan’ but I took it as an expensive lesson and diligently paid back around RM1000 every month for a year with my consistent, reliable income. It was painful but I did it. Fortunately only half of the Mcocean SP fee was a loan and the other half is from my savings, so I settled the loan first and now I can slowly focus on getting back my savings. Good thing I left early on so I didn’t get too deep into debt. Some of the CKPs and KPs are stuck coz their debt had gotten way too high for them to leave. Kesian low. That’s why, if you get suckered into a get rich scheme, leave immediately! Don’t allow yourself to accummulate more debt (and mcocean will surey find a way to get you dependant on them by squeezing you dry of money). The faster you leave, the less damage will be done to your wallet and to your relationships (friends, relatives, partner, etc).

Haven’t been in this thread for a long time because I was busy with life, decided to pop in after a friend mentioned that MagicPie’s post helped them realize that being in Mcocean is a mistake. Seems like it’s been lively with discussion!

I heard the SD Night early this year had 5000 pax in attendence? Is that true? When I joined they boasted to me that the SD Night 2 years ago in 2015 had 8000 people. Lol their distributors have decreased ke? Funny as hell. Saw 2015’s video on their facebook, that Pearson Chia dude freaking wrote a cheesy ass song for the gala... couldn’t stop laughing.

And almost all of the KPs and CKPs from the 2015 video aren’t in the biz anymore, can’t wait until 2 years time, bet you won’t see most of the KPs featured in the 2018 video in 2020 either 😂 They all said it was a ‘long-term investment’ but funnily enough the distributor turnover rate is scarily high. That isn’t a good indicator of business growth. And it’s true — I’ve heard so many KPs and CKPs slowly dropping out of the biz since last year.

May this thread keep going!

This post has been edited by Devilwearsprada22: Jul 14 2018, 11:01 AM

If you wanna do it the honorable way, tell your upline that you want to terminate, but hold your ground when they try to ‘convince’ you to stay. They will get all their KPs and CKPs to talk you out of it as well. Don’t listen to them. Be polite and firmly tell them you just don’t want to waste your time/effort/energy/money doing something that you don’t enjoy. Usually that shuts them up (of course, they will still try to spin your words and cook up some bullshit about helping your family — essentially guilt-tripping you, but just stay firm on your decision).

If you don’t want to maintain any future good relationship with your upline (in case they’re assholes or something), then don’t tell them anything. Just go and terminate yourself.

Make sure your products are sealed and unopened when you return them. Terminating your McOcean account is actually very fast and easy. Takes only 30mins +. Don’t make any appointments with them, just call them asking if the service counter is open, and if it is, just show up at Southgate with your products, usually they’ll accept it. Oh yeah, ensure you come at a time where there aren’t a lot of people or trainings going on (they’ll just distract you and ask you uncomfortable questions, etc). The best time would be weekdays around 3pm - 5pm. No one will be around, so you can take your time.

Some warning — just because the website says that you can get back 90% of your money within the 1st month, doesn’t mean you will get them immediately. Like I said before, Mcocean will only refund you ~40% of your capital. You’ll get this amount fairly quickly. However, 60% of your capital went to your uplines’ salaries when you first joined the biz. To get that amount back, you’ll have to keep reminding them to return your money (aka constantly pressuring them). Or else, you won’t ever get that money back. It’s a lot of hassle for them, that’s why they’ll do anything to convince you to not terminate.

Sometimes people stay in the biz just coz they sympathize with their uplines (coz they’re family or close friends) — you know, the “takpe” mentality, but that isn’t the way to deal with it. You have every right to claim back your money, especially if you have been manipulated or persuaded into parting with your money through unscruplous means. RM35k is a LOT! Don’t take it lightly.

I’ve seen a lot of friendships and family relationships become strained because of this biz. Greed ruins everything, after all.

This post has been edited by Devilwearsprada22: Jul 15 2018, 10:06 PM

1 month is more than enough to tell whether this biz is for someone.

Sometimes that person didn’t even want to join in the first place but was convinced at the spur of the moment to make a last-minute decision, and then regretted it the next day. Just like buying something useless or ill-fitting on impulse. They have every right to change their mind and make a refund.

What is wrong is stopping that person from refunding because of an ulterior agenda — aka you don’t want to pay them back so you try to talk them out of it. That’s not taking responsibilty, it’s just more manipulation.

How come McOcean people like to use all these cringy smileys?? I noticed it’s a running theme among those who are involved in pyramid schemes.

👹Hey Hey Hey! !💩 Useless Event No. 485 is coming up!! Are you 🥜🚨 EXCITED ?!! 💉?? Not only would it be another round of harrassing 💣💣 your friends 🤡⚔️⚙️ and family 👾🚿🔬 to participate in boring ⚰️🤢 activities, but guess what?? You can make 💰💰💰 money 💸💸💸 off them too! 🚬 Remember, it ain’t McOcean 🌫 until you have alienated 🚀 everyone close to you 🌪🐀 and be in thousands ringgit in debt! ☠️💸💸💸☠️

Btw, enjoyed reading about the LTT experiences! Do you think the KPs make some money off the LTT and 3D trainings? Since I notice it’s always the same people who goes to Melaka and JB to be the trainers.

Yes McOcean products are overpriced junk. If they really work, why aren’t people using it outside of the biz partners. Simply said, there is no genuine outside demand for the product. They only ‘move’ the products by forcing downlines to purchase in large bulks when they sign up as distributors.

If your SP thinks this forum is just negativity from a few bitter ex-members, she should check out reddit’s Anti-MLM page.

https://www.reddit.com/r/antiMLM/

They’ll find out that all ‘legal’ pyramid schemes all over the world operates in the exact same way — brainwashing tactics, striking their soft points, promising illusions of success and financial freedom. There are more than 200,000 subscribers/members in the subpage — one of the fastest growing online communities in reddit. There’s a lot of info on income disclosures, stories of relationships destroyed by MLM, exposure of scam tactics, etc. Seems like a lot of people are fed up of MLM industry predatory tactics lately.

This post has been edited by Devilwearsprada22: Aug 21 2018, 01:51 PM

No, it’s promoting the event next month. Someone circulated the picture to me even though I left McO a year ago and left all the groupchats. Their events not so hush-hush after all eh. If can still reach ex-members.

Anyone can say whatever they want, and people will believe them. Ask them for ‘proof’ — bank statement, etc. For sure they won’t give you.

Theoretically he got back his capital, but that is not including personal expenses for fuel, toll, food, clothes, etc. If they actually sat down and made a proper spreadsheet of their profit/losses, they’ll realize that they’re spending so much more than they’re ‘earning’. At best, they’re just breaking even, and those are usually the SPs or CKPs that are still working their 9-5 job full time.

Not fishy at all. They operate the same way as Mary Kay or Amway, where on surface it looks like a legal, ethical business but in reality financially exploits the distributors. They’re sneaky like that.

And if anyone tries to expose them, they hit back with lawsuit threats. Or in McO’s case, they have a disclaimer on their SP signup form stating that McO will not be held responsible for any registered SP as they signed up on their own free will, and thus McO cannot be held accountable for any subsequent police reports or complaints. Basically it’s like you’re signing a contract with the devil. And the worst part is that most KPs/CKPs will pressure or manipulate you into signing the form.

I don’t think this is the case? As they have willingly represented the company openly. As ‘ambassadors’ of McOcean they should be proud to be part of the company. But it just seems like they’re secretly ashamed, that’s why they can’t handle the criticism in this forum.

They’ve also deleted my post where I linked a reddit community called Anti-MLM which sheds a lot of light on shady tactics used by MLM companies and its distributors. McOcean is no different. So I’ll link it again:

Reddit Anti-MLM community

I agree with the last part. Well said.

This post has been edited by Devilwearsprada22: Sep 6 2018, 10:06 PM

Who are the KPs left?

What are they going to say to their future employers why they have been gone for 2+ years? “I was involved in a pyramid scheme”?

For KP M****e, I saw in her public LinkedIn that she made up a fictional company during her time in McOcean. I remember she made it look like it was a career/personal development business. That’s pretty smart of her, and I’m not judging her for it because let’s face it we did learn skills in McO, it’s just that the nature of the company itself (MLM) is not favoured in the working world.