Forumer you are complaining against: Silverfire aka Tan Chia Way aka Cruxiaer Tan

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Item being sold/bought: Nikkor 50mm 1.4D

Original thread link: [SOLD] Nikkor AF 50mm 1.4D

Date of transaction: May 3 2012, 08:42 PM

Details of the complaint :

Ok here's my story...bought a lens from a safe trader nick Silverfire last May for RM800...when the lens arrived, I saw the receipt states that the lens was a demo unit. For a safe trader, he never mentioned that the unit was a demo unit. He said that the lens was his friend's so he never saw that lens actually. Now that gets me confused. So I requested that he refund me back RM200. He said that he's out of budget already for that month and asked me to only pay RM100 instead. So I agreed considering he's still a student. The next month, he paid me the agreed RM100.

After having the lens for a month, I realized that the lens was a bit loose....I'm thinking maybe it's normal for a D lens...Then, one day while I was shooting in a dinner event, the lens failed to focus. I opened the lens and saw the back of lens that it's missing 2 screws. That answers why the lens feel a bit loose in the beginning. Yes, it's my mistake that I never checked the lens thoroughly when I got it at the first place. I admit my mistake on that part.

So, after realizing that it's missing 2 screws I told Silverfire about that and he said just send the lens to Nikon Service Center and claim the warranty. So I sent it to Nikon at PJ....e r

Today Nikon called me and quoted RM1202 for the repairs. They said cannot claim warranty since the unit is missing 2 screws.

And you guys can see from this picture that it shows Nikkor 35mm 1.8G not the real Nikkor 50mm 1.4D that I bought. That explains about the missing screws. Why he didn't post the real picture instead? He's hiding the fact that the lens was already missing 2 screws in the first place. Right?

And here's the quotation I got from Nikon today:

So what do u guys think? How to settle this dispute? Please help me guys.



LATEST UPDATE ON 30TH JULY 2012

Please be patient

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Added on July 30, 2012, 2:48 pmJust got an update from Nikon Service Centre....



This is the quotation given by Nikon Service Centre to the previous owner dated 27th April 2012. You can see from the report that it's already missing those screws.




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And from my quotation received on 5th July 2012, you can see stated there the same service order number quoted on my quotation stating that it's already been sent to Nikon Service Centre PJ before...

So what do u guys think now?

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This post has been edited by Apis_LuaLua: Aug 3 2012, 10:52 AM

First off, I said I got it from a friend, I didn't say I'm selling it in behalf of my friend. Do you still have the sms? Or do you want me to post them here?

As for the photo if you can read properly, I said photo by the lens, not photo of the lens. Photo of the actual lens itself is posted outside the spoiler. Now the thread hasn't been edited since 3rd of May. I posted a total of 2 photos of the lens, one of which I moved to a new link, as follows:


The actual date that I received the complaint regarding the broken lens is on 1st July. As stated, I suggested him to return it Nikon Centre for repairs.

That's all the clarification I'm going to make.

This post has been edited by Silverfire: Jul 19 2012, 12:43 AM

Our sms already gone la bro...my phone delete old smses...anyway for your own defense, please post the picture that states the screws were still there before you post it to me. Is it logical that I lost 2 screws??? Cmon la bro...

Well unfortunately I did not say that I have a photo of the back of the lens.

Then how could u said that it was me that lost the screws? Now it's clear that u're selling a faulty demo unit advertised as a new and working unit. I will post the picture of the receipt later for everyone's judgment. I bought this lens because of your safe trader tag bro. How could u do this? I trusted u in the first place....

Unfortunately for you, I did not state that the lens was new but working, yes, while I had it with me.

This post has been edited by Silverfire: Jul 16 2012, 03:17 PM

Yes the lens was working. But how can u explain the 2 missing screws?

I can ask you the same question and you'd give me the same answer.

Now how to settle this dispute?

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Added on July 16, 2012, 3:42 pmRefund back my money and I will post back to u the lens. Settle with your friend why it's a demo unit and missing 2 screws.

This post has been edited by Izwan898: Jul 16 2012, 03:42 PM

It's already about 1 month+ the lens is with you. I don't think fair to ask seller full refund. About the lens being a demo unit I'm sure what the big deal is since it's a 4month+ used unit. BUt if the seller stated the unit as new and you got a demo unit instead then that should be a problem.

Yes I agree...but he should refund some if not all...bro, demo unit is different from a new boxed unit...a demo unit is an item that everybody have been playing with it, try it, touch, hold and everything for we dunno how long....simple to say it's not a virgin unit...UNTIL someone buys it...am I right?

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Added on July 16, 2012, 4:27 pmSorry if I sound a bit rude and harsh...

This post has been edited by Izwan898: Jul 16 2012, 04:27 PM

whether it's demo unit or used unit.

Seller had inform it's used and already had send to you

It's your own responsibility to check the item at the time when you received it. And you also had agree for the rm100 compensation for demo unit

Not after 1 month plus, then only say missing screw

You can say it's seller fault, seller also can say it's yr fault.

The missing screw issue, no one can justify on it.

You just need to take this as lesson that you should check your item carefully.

I tot you already received the RM100 as compensation?
If you received it already then pls dont keep on saying this is demo unit or new unit, as u accepted the rm100 refund that's mean this is solved

As for the missing screw, after 1 month plus only u found out, if i'm the seller also I wont entertain u anymore as u have to check the item carefully when u first received the item.

i think tis is the 'RIGHT' answer... my 0.2cen

I'm just mentioning that it's a demo unit since he never mentioned it in his advert because it's kinda misleading when he's awarded with the safe trader tag...yes I agreed with the refund since I'm considering he's still a student...I didn't check the unit thorougly when I received the unit since I put my trust in his safe trader tag...and after 1 month only that I realised this unit is missing 2 screws because I rarely use the lens...it's working fine until the night when it fails to focus...then I tried to change the lens, the bayonet part just came out piece by piece...but the only thing I want to know, WHY he can't post the picture of the lens' back while he can post other lens' back picture when trying to sell it? Don't u think its fishy?

You should have asked all that question before sealing the deal with him. Dont buy before ur have cleared everything with the seller. And about the demo issue. I still dont think its relevant.

Yes I must say it's my mistake not realizing that picture was not the lens' picture in the first place...but from that picture, I can conclude that he's not an honest & safe trader...for that his safe trader should be revoked and let this case be a reminder to others...it's ok bro, only god knows what happened...but I believe in karma...thanks all for the advices.

Buyer already knows that it's a used set so there's nothing wrong for the seller to sell him a demo set. Like someone already pointed out, if the seller claims the item is BRAND NEW but sells you a used item, then it is clearly WRONG.

Looking at the seller's thread, it is clearly mentioned there that the condition is awesome http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopic=2329241&hl=

It could be misrepresentation by the seller because it clearly isn't in an awesome condition as there are missing screws and defects in the lens. I said "could be" because the defects were discovered a while later and it is unknown whether the seller was aware of such defects and knowingly sold it to TS.

If the defects were discovered immediately when TS received the item, then TS definitely has the right to ask for a FULL REFUND. But it was only discovered a month later.....it could also be contributed by TS himself (defects in the lens, NOT the missing screws)

So, now, still quite uncertain about this

I am confident that he knew there were 2 missing screws when he's trying to sell the lens...if he's really innocent, why don't he just upload a picture of the lens showing the 2 screws were still there while it's in his possession...it's really clear...but still, with his safe trader tag buyers will sometimes ignore those little details like what happened to me...I'm just frustrated that he's still with his safe trader tag when clearly he's not really honest when trying to sell his things...clearly not...

If you actually browse through all my threads of lens selling, you will notice that of 3 or 4 threads I'm selling lens, only 1 of them had a photo of the back of the lens. Again, all these threads had never been edited since the day said items/lenses are sold.

You think that I have a photo of every back of every lens? Sorry, I do not. Its not a standard to take a photo of the back of the lens. As a matter of fact, do you have a photo of the back of the lens dated 2 months ago?

I accuse of you of nothing yet you accuse me of everything. From the beginning of the deal, you had always threatened to open a dispute thread to defame me yet I held no grudge.

For me, YES it's a standard procedure to include the picture of the back of the lens...from there we can judge the real condition of the lens. No, I don't have the photo showing the back of this nikkor 50mm lens dated 2 months ago.

But here u can see that I took a clear photo of the back of my sony 18-70 lens that I sold last 2 years.


FYI, this photo dated 2010-08-13. This is how an honest man will do. Not like u bro.

U didn't accuse me of nothing? Do u still remember that u accused me that I'm the one who have lost the 2 screws not you??

Seller advert say still got Warranty: 7 more months by Nikon

a) send nikon cost bare by seller or nego between two party
b) return merchandise for full refund from seller
c) dispute and accuse each other til end of time

if seller truly deserve the safe trader tag he would do the right thing to rectify the situation. imho

Good advice. Seller cannot simply cuci tangan just because he got safe trade. And I believe in karma too

the buyer why not request for photo, if he so insist on want the photo of the item.

Now only you mention why don't have the picture of the back lens.

You know it's standard, then you should ask.


Not wait after got problem, only ask.

Each people have diff style or thinking. Your way does not mean other people need to follow. Your standard does not mean it's match the standard also.

I don't think anyone is so silly to remove the screw or nothing to do.

The seller sell to you, courier to you.

It's your own responsibility to inspect the item at that time. It's your own fault for not inspecting, can't blame people for that.

I didn't requested the photo since I THOUGHT that the photo shown was the mentioned lens 50mm 1.4D...after this problem only I realized that it's other lens' photo and he wrote "Photo taken by the lens"....I didn't hesitate and suspect anything because he has the safe trader tag lah...

I agree with the above opinion. You should have ask for picture of back lens to make sure. Again, since this case so hard to determine who is in the wrong or right since it is 1 month already. As mentioned before...anything could happen within that month.

Admin or Mod has mention : The tag is given out to members who have proven thus far to be genuine reliable honest traders. However, this tag is NOT a guarantee of a safe transaction and can be revoked at any time.

As standard picture can be request more even if seller din post much and end up u have agreed to buy it.
It's your own responsibility to check the item at the time when you received it.

As 1st u blame the seller for selling DEMO SET UNIT? Since he has stat it is used item.
Then you agreed and accept his Rm 100.00 refund.
Now turn up u say the screw none after a month+ . Keep accused the seller this and that.
Don't u think it is very unfair to the seller?

I don't think so anyone will help u since not really logic about this problem after a month.

From far my view : izzit u not happy wit the lens because DEMO SET UNIT end up urself remove it the screw and start blaming on Seller? < Anyway this is my view from my mind. not accusing u right now.. Only u know..

u can see the original thread that the buyer is keen on buying this lens...

As I said before I THOUGHT the photo WAS the 50mm 1.4D lens...

I loled at this...do u think im a kid?

Yes I was because of the safe trader tag.

did you drop it? why the repair report said impact dmg? replacing len's? show us the picture condition before you send for repair and yet to see you show the picture of the missing screw position.

I just came here to kepoh and share my thoughts on this.

1) I think the person that initiates this thread feels unhappy because he feels cheated with the "safe trader" tag that Silverfire bears.

2) Buyer should (at all cost) check whether delivered products are in good condition. Not just because a person bears a "safe trader" tag therefore everything would go on smoothly. What if the courier failed to take good care of the delivered goods and the item is damaged from the delivery process? Buyer will never find out unless he/she checks and inspects thoroughly and then cross check with the seller again.

It is like we ordered something from Ikea. And when they deliver the furniture to our house, we make sure the condition is new and good. We do not neglect the inspection part just because Ikea is reputable etc.

3) To claim that it is seller's responsibility for an item that was delivered almost 2 months ago and was accepted by buyer in the first place, is void. Things don't work like that, at least I think not.

Like the example that I gave about the Ikea delivery, we don't go about to Ikea and demand for a new furniture if suddenly we see a scratch on the furniture. Who caused it is arguable.

That's all I've got to say.

No bro...they claimed it was impact damage because of the 2 missing screws and the bayonet (back part) was detached from the main body...if it was truly an impact damage, the body will surely got scratches and dents...for sure...tonite I will upload the photo...

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Added on July 18, 2012, 7:20 pmIf it's the courier's fault, why the box is in a very good condition? No scratch nor dent. Same with Ikea case. U're saying that u won't argue with ikea IF the furniture had a scratch and the box they're shipped with was in a very good condition? Don't u think the courier will argue bout that? Same with me. IF the courier was at fault, why the box was in a very2 good condition? And IF it was damaged while transportation, for sure the 2 screws will be in the box right? Sorry if I sound harsh though...

I'm not here to tarnish his name in here but I sincerely, honestly saying that I never drop, open nor lost those 2 screws. That's why I'm feeling cheated.

I accepted the RM100 refunded because although it's a demo unit, it still can take photos and focuses fine BUT it was a bit loose when I'm trying to change lens that's why I suspect the screws was not there all along...it's ok, as I said before, only god knows what happened...no need to accuse I'm a cheapskate trying to get my money back...no...I love that lens...it's just frustrating to be cheated for the first time since I've been doin online trading here for years...

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Added on July 18, 2012, 7:45 pm

Here's the photo of the lens before I pack and send out to Nikon...you can see there's only 1 screw left...and it's been like that because when I tried to separate it from the camera's body, it breaks just like that...

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Added on July 18, 2012, 7:47 pmAnd it's very unfortunate for me when I snapped this photo, the back cap was on because I take a very good care of my things...

This post has been edited by Izwan898: Jul 18 2012, 07:47 PM

A complicated issue over here because it is a postage deal,

1. The lens was a DEMO unit that seller should inform buyer or post the information at his advertisement. Buyer asked for RM200 refund and Seller accepted it but only for RM100, so Seller know its a DEMO unit at the first place.

2. "He said that the lens was his friend's so he never saw that lens actually." If yes, at this point Seller also didn't know that the 2 screws still on the lens or not. He only know that the lens is working fine.

3. The picture on the ads, Nikkor AF 50mm 1.4D is a front & front images and Nikkor 35mm 1.8G is a front & back images I believe Seller just switch lens to take the photos but didnt make it standard.


Buyer fault for not inspect the lens overall but I think he did tried on the lens and found out it was a bit loose and thought is normal because it still working fine until it failed to focus later.

The lens is from Seller friend and it is a DEMO unit, can Seller guarantee 100% the 2 screws was there when he get it from his friend or just trust his friend like how Buyer trust Seller (Safe Trader), working fine and 2 screws missing is different story.

I think its abit irresponsible for the seller to wash his hand off just because he is selling something on behalf of his friend. You should have inspected the item condition before agreeing to sell it for your friend.

And, you mention the lens has warranty by nikon. Now, Nikon refuse to honor the warranty so you have to settle this dispute. Unless it was agreed that TS is buying an item without any warranty, then you can ignore his request for refund.

Seriously, TS should check the item thoroughly and not only after 1 month you report the two missing screw. All in all, both party are at fault here

Yes I do admit my mistake by not inspecting it thoroughly...but I want him be responsible too since he's a safe trader tag bearer...

I urge all forumers to read thoroughly before posting a reply regarding the matter on hand.

I'm gonna make this point clear again, not sure if some people just read only the first post.

I'm not selling on behalf of my friend, that is where TS is mistaken. I got it from a friend, not selling on behalf.

Another point to note:
You used the lens for almost 2 months, you attach/reattach it to your DSLR, and you failed to notice missing screws? I'm sorry I can't see how you overlook that. While I had it, I certainly did not notice missing screws.

You're confident that I knew, well I'd say karma's is in effect. As a matter of fact, I did not know until you notified me on 1st July.

Me having a Safe Trader tag do not mean I come with a lifetime warranty, even lifetime warranty has policies that do not cover consumer misconduct or mishandle of product. To be honest, other than it being a demo unit(which I've compensated) and me having a Safe Trader tag, what else can you complaint about, really?

So if you're confident that I'm at fault here, I don't see why you have to remove me from your Friend list on Facebook, seeing you added me in the first place. Guilty, perhaps?

This post has been edited by Silverfire: Jul 18 2012, 10:49 PM

There is no need to call me sir, of age I'm younger, of experience I'm short.

Let's see... I asked you 1, 2, 3, 3 questions, yet you failed to give any satisfactory answer to any of these questions.

Oh so my face annoys you, that's most unfortunate for you. This is getting dumb and personal. Do you really want to continue this?

This post has been edited by Silverfire: Jul 18 2012, 10:54 PM

It's not a requirement to state whether he got it from someone else or not actually. As long as the seller indicates that it's a USED unit, it should suffice

Bro, did you know a brand new 50 1.4D cost less than even RM900 ?
Why you go and pay RM1k++ to repair a damaged lens ?

Before you repair, why don't you raise up the issue with seller first.
Why do it after you repaired ?

Things can happened within that 1+ months.
How people know you buat anything behind or not?

More questions :

If screw lose ONLY.
Why would the technician wanted to replace the lenses inside ?
What I see from receipt is lenses replacement, several groups some more.
Must be hard impact.

This post has been edited by 168257061: Jul 18 2012, 11:05 PM

I've checked up the results on the internet about the pricing of the lens.
it seems that its more or less RM1000 or so only.
Problem is,the price of the lens for repair is much more than buying a new unit.

I am wondering why TS never really check the package fully before proceeding or notifying.
After 1 month only notify really makes thing kinda .. what you call that too slow to notice,if its still within a week still can do something about it.

Because of that...hmm it's kinda suspicious but i can't judge because i don't know what's the real thing about the lens,probably its the buyer who lost it or the seller who lost it.

But saying used unit is really suffice for the item selling though
So guys... good luck in solving this problem

It's about honesty and yes I do care if the item I'm buying is a 2nd, 3rd or 4th hand. From that I can guess the condition of it.

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Added on July 18, 2012, 11:19 pmI haven't agreed with the quotation yet bro. It's kinda nonsense that Nikon quoted me that. I know the condition of the lens. It's just missing 2 screws. Everything is good and no problem with that lens. Before it falls apart, everything is smooth and snappy. ONLY "longgar" at the back of the lens if u know what I mean.

Service centre, they're also want to make profit bro...today I called them...I don't want to repair till RM1202. Just assemble back the lens, reattach the missing 2 screws and courier it back to me. Bcoz I know the lens have no problem at all! But no, they refused saying that they can't do that. I said WTH, if I want to waste my money RM1202, u can easily repair the lens for me but if I only want to buy the 2 screws they can't do that?? So what's the point I send the lens to Nikon? They quoted RM20 (check service cost) + RM12 (courier cost) to send it back to me. I said please reassemble back the lens but they said cannot. If I want it, I have to pay them RM1202 for the repairs. So I told them just supply me the 2 screws, don't reassemble the lens, courier it back. They said they will call me back today but they didn't. It's frustrating.

And IF I pay that RM1202, how will I know that Nikon won't just buy a new 50mm 1.4D and courier it back to me saying it was the repaired old lens? And my old lens? How do I know that they won't recondition the lens and sell it as a USED lens? So who win who lose? So by the end I will waste RM1902 for this lens?

This post has been edited by Izwan898: Jul 18 2012, 11:19 PM

Time to go make noise at Nikon Service Centre.

If that doesn't help, make noise at their FB page.

I already talked with Mr. Chong (assistant manager of camera service department I guess). He's the one promised to call me back today but failed to do so. I don't really understand why they can't just give me the 2 missing screws and quote me for them? It's because they won't make much money by doing so...2 screws how much only...RM1202 can get them hundreds...and how will I know they really changed those things listed? It's quite clear that I didn't dropped the lens. See that photo that I took before packing. Can u guys see any sign of scratch or dent?

If you do care, you should've asked in the first place how many owners has the lens gone through. Unless seller lied, then there is nothing wrong. He did mention it is a USED unit so that shouldn't be a problem.

sure, no sign of scratch of dent but what is it under the back cap?

If u're in my shoes, will u ask how many owners has the lens gone through? It's advertised as USED so it never crossed my mind. If only he advertised it as a 2nd item will I ask him more questions. Ex: Why the previous owner sells it? And in only 4 months u're also want to sell it? anything wrong with the lens?




Here's the receipt. Is it normal that the lens was bought from jalan imbi but the warranty card says it's from penang? Just want to know...

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Added on July 18, 2012, 11:41 pmWhat do u mean kind sir?

This post has been edited by Izwan898: Jul 18 2012, 11:45 PM

Let's analyze the situation shall we?

1. Missing screws
Who doesn't check their received products after purchasing? ESPECIALLY it's a used item, cost so much, and not to mention delivered by courier.
Do you go to phone shop and purchase a phone in a box without checking the content? Sound abnormal because it's after 2 months to realize that.

2. Safe Trader
Safe Trader tag is never an express ticket for you not to check your received product or buying a product with no worries. I can build up my reputation and tarnish it at a single go. So, regardless safe trader or not, always treat it as a normal deal.

3. Information
How much information do you need? You need more information about how many hands it went through? Ask. Sample of back lens? Ask. You're now new in trade zone.

BONUS: Blue hair face is not an honest person?? So if I come up with pink hair means I am gay? What twisted world do we live in?

You bought the lens for RM800 and the repairs were over RM1000. At that point, I would rather buy a new lens than having it repaired in Nikon Service Center.
Good Luck to the one who is actually in the Correct-zone.

firstly, if you are taking evidence photo you should show everything of the lens. why would you put your back cap and take evidence photo? everyone won't know if you are hiding something under the back cap.

secondly, just because he's a safe trader doesn't mean you have all the right to hold the seller responsible after sales.

Yeah I'm thinking just leave the lens at Nikon service centre but my wife advised me to get the lens back and try to repair at other 3rd party camera shop outlets. So while asking them to do that, why don't they just give me the 2 missing screws along with the package? Sadly they refused...they still want me to pay RM1202...they keep saying cannot laaa...not our procedure laaa supply 2 screws onlyyyy...u go find other camera shops laa get that screwwww....conclusion is, they sux...

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Added on July 19, 2012, 12:01 amHiding the 2 screws?

I'm holding him responsible because I know the screws weren't lost while the lens was with me...I'm not trying to con anyone nor trying to get refund...I'm just not satisfied why a safe trader like him sent me a lens with 2 missing screws.

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Added on July 19, 2012, 12:03 amTomorrow I will ask nikon to email me a photo of the back of the lens...just to show that it was not dropped nor mishandled...

This post has been edited by Izwan898: Jul 19 2012, 12:03 AM

Just letting you know that you should always trade with care regardless it's a 'branded trader' or 'blue hair trader'.

My scenario:
Bought 3 phones from shop A.
Good price first time + accessories.
Second time price is good + accessories.
Third time price of the accessories is 3x of original price.

See how the reputation is tarnished?
Not looking back at that shop again or at least be sensitive about the price in future.

This post has been edited by HeHeHunter: Jul 19 2012, 12:08 AM

Shop different brooo...no evidence and they can run away and open new shop somewhere else summore...reputation in LYN different...I won't tarnish my reputation built from 2006...same with every seller here...genuine seller lah...

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Added on July 19, 2012, 12:12 amJust now I checked my phone for pictures and found this 2 photos of the lens that I took on 1st of July....these photos were taken to MMS silverfire about the missing screws...




This post has been edited by Izwan898: Jul 19 2012, 12:12 AM

Actually the person I am referring in the scenario is a trader in LYN. Just that he has his own shop.

Back to the thread, please check with Nikon about the 'ungodly expensive' repair charges because if they charge at exorbitant fees then no one would buy a used lens any more.

Previous case, but this was 4 years ago. http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...5&hl=Silverfire

His friend involved & reason no money to refund, nearly same reasons to this case

but maybe now Seller more matured

And also from those 2 photos I just uploaded, u all can see there's no dent nor scratch at the back of the lens...

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Added on July 19, 2012, 12:15 amNo wonder his nick so familiar before...

This post has been edited by Izwan898: Jul 19 2012, 12:15 AM

That case was long resolved. Admins and moderators were notified of that situation. But if you had read thoroughly you should know the reasons for that incident is nowhere near as this one.

Now I have a feeling that you don't really read first, talk later.

The so called duplicate is actually proven to be Silverfire's customer.

i too can put my dupe on my successful tradelist.

it's not regulated in any way here.

The dupe matter was resolved, I would prefer people not to talk about it here as would our kind TS who's really happy about the fact that I was once accused of duping. Accusations of this sort, actually of any sort, can turn out very ugly.

This post has been edited by Silverfire: Jul 19 2012, 12:43 AM

Maybe we shall summon upon any Trade Enforcer to join this conversation.

This post has been edited by HeHeHunter: Jul 19 2012, 12:41 AM

A very good idea kind sir.

U guys go sleep first lah...dun sakit2 kepala bout this...I'm the one who lost RM700+ here...money come n go bro silverfire...but reputation once tarnished, hard to get it back...keep that in mind. Peace.

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Added on July 19, 2012, 12:52 amLOL!! That xeiteris guy also on his successful trade list!! COD summore!! So funny broo~ nice try nice try...but try harder next time...peace~

Ps: I'm talkin to u HeHeHunter...btw thanks cracksys wanna know who's xeiteris? Read till finish this http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...lverfire... may I say I LOLED?

This post has been edited by Izwan898: Jul 19 2012, 12:58 AM

A LOT OF BULLSH*T.

Dear TS, tell me about how



can lead to




Impact damage
Screw missing
Aperture Problem
Replace G1, G2, G6 lens
AF Contact

Did you know that Replacement of G1, G2, G6 lens means that those groups of the elements are DEAD AND CAN'T BE USED?

It's either SHATTERED or MISALLIGNED. What caused it? Well you know the answer yourself. You did this to the lens, you yourself know what happened to it.



Picture above shows the 7 elements also as known as the optic glasses in 6 groups.

http://www.nikon.com.my/en_MY/product_deta...ntLink=gp11zl28

There, specification says 7 elements, 6 groups.

How does these glasses lead to AF failure?

I call it bullsh*t. I had a 18-200mm lens sent for AF motor repair before. Nikon didn't even quote me those damages before. Just a simple AF motor replacement.

Now about this picture:



Do you know what? Those 2 screws that you claimed



DON'T HAVE THE ABILITY TO BREAK LENS APART.

You want to know what those 2 screws help with?



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MOUNTING UNIT ONLY. IT'S NOT HOLDING LENS TOGETHER FROM APERTURE RING TO THE BARREL. LENS DOESN'T BREAK APART BECAUSE OF 2 SCREWS.

Oh and, if you think that only 3 screws are holding the mounting unit in, I'm sorry to say, no. It's more than that. So your lens won't fall off.

Remember. if your element group died, you totally cannot use the lens at all because of distorted picture. Not because of AF. Don't tell me you use this lens and bear with the 3 element groupings failure for 1 month. I had sent Nikon lenses to warranty before. So don't think you can fool me with these terrible damages

Now tell me your side of your story. I am interested. 

This post has been edited by sakurakinomoto: Jul 19 2012, 01:20 AM

To Be Honest, i did not read the whole thread, but here is my queries and comments.

1. I cant see the missing screws in the pictures, but i did see there are 3 screws in the picture.. If that is the part where the screw was missing then im pretty sure its very notice-able, because its not in anyway concealed.
So it would be TS negligence if didnt noticed that, especially after knowing its a display aka used set, if i were TS i would have check thoroughly.

2. After know its a display/used set, i assume both side would have made a new warranty deal/period. So IMO for 2nd hand stuffs i would give/expect atleast 7 days and since problem occurs after 30 days then just consider bad luck.

3. IMO seller should take some responsibility if not all, for the blame/problems/issues incurred here too.


Lastly im on the fence here, not siding anyone but both sides also has your wrongs..
TS just consider bad luck, and seller i could congratulate atleast able to sold the item at a very good price

But anyhow Safe Trader tag just merely means the seller are able to delivers his/her deals and not a scammer...But does not guarantee such cases
Btw i noticed the Safe Trader tag FAQ was removed http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?act=faq&article=37

My friend also have the same repair content as yours.
Why? Because he dropped his lens. Was a 24-70mm.

and looking at ur quotation, there is also impact content
which result in need of changing lens elements.



you sure you didn't drop the lens yourself and come here to start accusing ?

Unless Nikon the big firm trying to con you then different story.

Good luck.

That's really some nice clarification,it does really make sense about that.
Maybe TS could really explain the real story about that.
Because within the first month,it should be un-useable so many problem when the repair receipt was shown.
Then how come TS can use for a month without problem?

Another thing I do not understand. If the lens is his friend's. How did he take picture with the lens with his watermark? Also, why did seller self compensate instead of asking his friend to compensate as his friend did not state to seller that it was a demo unit. Seller yang rugi?

and how can ts manage to use for 1 month and suddenly rosak?

Morning broo~~....wah so clever lah u...like detective...don't talk bout bullshit2 here...u like to eat bull's shit ah?

Here's my side of the story. Wakeup already have to write essay ah...haiz...

YES. I'm claiming Nikon trying to con me. WHY? because the lens was working fine until it came loose and break apart! U want me to upload photos taken by it before it came apart ah? aiya!




Yes, I know. And FYI clever sir, the mentioned lenses didn't break/shattered nor misaligned. Why? Because I know. Nikon only want to take golden opportunity in this case. Today I will call them again to ask them to show me the photos of the lens since they're claiming so much damage on that lens. I have my proof that it's in a good condition before packing and send out to them.


How these glasses lead to AF failure? U tell me how lah. That's why I think nikon service trying to take an opportunity on me. Because it's not logical. FYI also, the cable still intact the last time the lens was with me. U know WHY nikon didn't even quote u those damages before? Because your lens was not in 2 parts/broken when u sent it to them lahhh...aiyaaa...my case and your case different la broo...come here accuse me like that...cmon laa...


Oh really? U give me your lens and let us see if the back bayonet won't come apart when those screws were taken out. And also FYI, when the bayonet came apart, the back lens still RIGIDLY assembled to body.


Oh, u also know it's only a mounting unit. Bro....that's why I'm saying nikon service trying to take opportunity on me...u understand now bro?


Also remember bro~~.....did I said my element group died? it's from nikon service that said my lens was sooo sooo badly broken...impact damage lah...AF cannot use lah...so many claims...I can say B***shit to nikon...today I'm goin to clear this up with them...if not I will report to user tribunal...and YES I did used this lens 1 month before the focus gearing failed to focus because the bayonet came apart too much already at that time...U want me to post photos taken prior 1st of July as proof? U had sent to nikon lenses for warranty but it's very fortunate of u not having to be in my shoes...if not surely u will post a thread saying nikon service suxx...I'm not trying to fool anyone here. It's a real true story from me. What do I get when everyone's fooled? U think everyone here stupid ah? your claims and accusation of me are so heavy bro..I'm sorry if I sound harsh and sarcastic...peace~

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Added on July 19, 2012, 6:33 am[quote=0168257061,Jul 19 2012, 03:06 AM]
My friend also have the same repair content as yours.
Why? Because he dropped his lens. Was a 24-70mm.

and looking at ur quotation, there is also impact content
which result in need of changing lens elements.





Yes bro I am 110% sure I didn't drop the lens myself and come here to start accusing. For what bro? I'm here to tell a very unfortunate story of me buying an expensive lens, demo unit, missing 2 screws and being conned by nikon service. Well I can say nikon tried to...haha...dunno lah today have to call them again and clear things up...fasting month already...have to be patience...

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Added on July 19, 2012, 6:50 am

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In my case, only the blue colored bayonet came apart...NOT THE LENS....when the bayonet came apart, the focusing gear can be pull just like that...that's why I'm saying nikon purposely quoted my RM1202 (impact damage summore etc.). All I want is just that they assemble back the bayonet and supply me those 2 missing screws...

This post has been edited by Izwan898: Jul 19 2012, 06:50 AM

Can i show me where is the missing screw location??

Im really noob with cameras

Hi bro

U can see there's 3 screws namely 1,2 & 3 there right? The phillips screw...mine was missing 2 of those...

I saw that.... But the screw is there what???
U dont have any pic of the lense that is without the screw?

No bro...that photo is not the 50mm 1.4D...that photo I think taken sumwhere from internet lor...not mine bro...photo without screws I already uploaded...

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So basically, what are you trying to imply here though? So is it Nikon's fault now or Silverfire? This is really confusing.

Well, basically if you realize that it's "demo unit", you should've actually check through everything though. Anything can happen between a month right?

This post has been edited by mccy118: Jul 19 2012, 10:38 AM

[quote=mccy118,Jul 19 2012, 10:37 AM]

I didn't say I won't argue with Ikea if the furniture had a scratch. I said, if the furniture had a scratch AFTER 2 month, I would not complain because it doesn't make sense (because they could argue that I caused the damage, duh?). I believe that T&C applies. And I can't accuse seller of lepas tangan can I?

And obviously I WOULD argue with Ikea if the furniture I ordered was delivered in bad condition. I will hold Ikea responsible because I have a proof that I haven't used it yet, and when it was delivered, it was already in bad state. Ikea can argue it was delivery etc, but I will of course argue my way out with Ikea because I have the right because I have done my responsibility in checking and making sure everything's all right.

And I wasn't implying or saying that your case is caused by courier services ok? I was stating the importance of checking first-hand and immediately when item arrived. I was giving an analogy. I wasn't saying that courier was at fault, please be clear.

And, no need to accuse me of accusing you as a cheapskate. None of my words nor sentences that I've written as comment here in any way has been implying that you are a cheapskate isn't it? So please, watch your words.

Below are just my 2cents.


After reading through the conversation and advices from others, Well, I wouldn't say that Silverfire is at fault anymore. A fact that you own the lens for a month only then you realize the missing screws is weird.

I mean, normally when we get something new, we will instantly play around with it right? So the moment you got the lens, you should have notice there is a problem with the lens already..not after 1 month..unless your answer is that you got your lens and you keep it for 1 month then you play with it then... no comment.

Bro...silverfire also have no proof that the screws was there before he sent it to me...how's that make him innocent? I know it's already months but I just realized it on the 1st of july...so that makes him 100% innocent? UNLESS he can prove it that he sent me the lens WITH the 2 screws were still there!!

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Added on July 19, 2012, 1:46 pmReputable members like this silverfire guy?

This post has been edited by Izwan898: Jul 19 2012, 01:46 PM

TL;DR

Nikon is trying to scam you. Okay. That's your point right? =) So what does it got to do with SilverFire?





Good condition you say?



So why is it still apart?

So... you are still saying Nikon is scamming you instead of Silverfire, if that's the case, thread can close liao. Post this in the photography subforum

This post has been edited by sakurakinomoto: Jul 19 2012, 02:32 PM

Have u read thru the thread? So ignorant. Tell him to post the proof that the screws were there before I had it.

I'm not sure if you can or cannot read, perhaps you simply chose to slide through what I said. Read thoroughly. I'm not going to repeat what I have already stated. Cheers mate.

New update. Nikon just called me and I talked with Mr. Wong. He just gave an information that this lens already sent to them TWICE inclusive mine. The previous owner also quoted the same amount of RM1.2K+ by Nikon service centre. Same with my case here. Already missing 2 screws. The previous owned refused to repair the lens. That explains why he sold the lens. Mr. Wong said he cannot give the previous owner's name since it's P&C. He advised me to make a police report to get that information. I will make a police report and get his info. This case just got interesting.

So you're saying I'm a victim here as well?

Show the previous quotation to justify your says.

As a matter of fact, show a photo of missing screws. You have been ranting it for days yet no one has seen a photo to prove your claim.

It seems you are all talk and no proof. Just wondering, but meh.

This post has been edited by Silverfire: Jul 19 2012, 03:36 PM

Bro, how the heck the previous owner will have damage and refused to pay?

But you been using two months until it fail "AGAIN"?

If yoy says previous owner caused the problem. How can you use the lens if faulty?

Regarding aperture problem, lens elements problem, AF and so on.

According to images you've provided and image below, the mounting ring and aperture ring simply cannot fall off due to 2 missing screws. As a person as meticulous as you, who repeated more than once that he take cares of his belonging very well, I don't see how you failed to notice to missing screws when you attach/reattach the lens.


Whether or not I have photo of the rear lens, it is already immaterial. I take it you want to know the reason why I said this? Alright here goes:
As a person as meticulous as you, who repeated more than once that he take cares of his belonging very well, I don't see how you failed to request a photo of rear lens before me shipping the parcel to you. That being your standard and all.

I cannot extract exif from your image so I'm going to assume these 2 photos were taken around 1st July. Still doesn't verify or prove what may have happened while the lens was with you, you being the cause or not.

Regarding the lens being submitted twice for repair, I advice you to provide proof before making any more accusations of any sorts. If what you say is true, it simply means you and I are both victim of foul play. I have no issues with making a joint police report.

This post has been edited by Silverfire: Jul 19 2012, 04:47 PM

I will make a police report first and see how it goes.

In all honesty I only read the 1st page because about half down it is more of whining and finger pointing.

So here is the summary I have deduced and be free to correct me not whine if I am wrong:

Item was sold as used and in awesome condition.

Item reaches buyer in awesome condition.

Buyer does not like the word demo unit on receipt but the Nikon warranty is valid still for the lens.

Buyer ask for a refund of RM200 probably on the same day but seller nego. and buyer settles for RM100.

After 1 month buyer starts to notice lens is loose but considers it normal.

One day after that 1st month during a wedding shot lens fails. Buyer checks lens, lens missing a few screws.

Buyer tell seller screws are missing, seller buyers claim warranty at Nikon. I presume Nikon mentions warranty is still in affect for that lens and buyer hands over lens.

Nikon repairs lens and gives buyer bill because lens is discovered not in defect condition.



I read the bill, it states there was impact damage and the internal housing and lenses had to be replaced. That means the lens had been dropped. Did you drop the lens Izwan898? Because after finding out it was a demo unit I would have at least looked over the lens again. And failing to see the missing screws I would have sure seen the holes again and a again and a again for that month of using the lens before the wedding since it general more common to see the ass of the lens than the front of it.


But the facts of the matter, you received the lens, inspected the lens I am sure at least another time when you brought up the issue about the refund for demo unit. You had the lens for a whole month and didn't mention anything to Silverfire but the lens sitting loose on the camera body. One day after one month the lens fails to focus of which you then do inform Silverfire and he tells to claim warranty which you do. Nikon charge you for the repair because warranty does not cover user caused damage. So you open a dispute thread to state your displeasure now what? What do you want from him? If it to say "Dude, its a demo unit, you lied in your sales thread" then fine I'll close this thread. If you do want something else then edit your first post and state it so we can see what is real motive for this dispute.

I want to prove that the screws were already missing before I got it. Thanks.