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> Complain against Silverfire, Help me settle guys :(

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post Jul 16 2012, 02:48 PM

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First off, I said I got it from a friend, I didn't say I'm selling it in behalf of my friend. Do you still have the sms? Or do you want me to post them here?

As for the photo if you can read properly, I said photo by the lens, not photo of the lens. Photo of the actual lens itself is posted outside the spoiler. Now the thread hasn't been edited since 3rd of May. I posted a total of 2 photos of the lens, one of which I moved to a new link, as follows:
» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «


The actual date that I received the complaint regarding the broken lens is on 1st July. As stated, I suggested him to return it Nikon Centre for repairs.

That's all the clarification I'm going to make.

This post has been edited by Silverfire: Jul 19 2012, 12:43 AM
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post Jul 16 2012, 03:00 PM

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QUOTE(Izwan898 @ Jul 16 2012, 02:58 PM)
Our sms already gone la bro...my phone delete old smses...anyway for your own defense, please post the picture that states the screws were still there before you post it to me. Is it logical that I lost 2 screws??? Cmon la bro...
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Well unfortunately I did not say that I have a photo of the back of the lens.
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post Jul 16 2012, 03:14 PM

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QUOTE(Izwan898 @ Jul 16 2012, 03:04 PM)
Then how could u said that it was me that lost the screws? Now it's clear that u're selling a faulty demo unit advertised as a new and working unit. I will post the picture of the receipt later for everyone's judgment. I bought this lens because of your safe trader tag bro. How could u do this? I trusted u in the first place....
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Unfortunately for you, I did not state that the lens was new but working, yes, while I had it with me.

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post Jul 16 2012, 03:28 PM

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QUOTE(Izwan898 @ Jul 16 2012, 03:24 PM)
Yes the lens was working. But how can u explain the 2 missing screws?
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I can ask you the same question and you'd give me the same answer.
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post Jul 18 2012, 11:46 AM

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QUOTE(Izwan898 @ Jul 18 2012, 07:51 AM)
I am confident that he knew there were 2 missing screws when he's trying to sell the lens...if he's really innocent, why don't he just upload a picture of the lens showing the 2 screws were still there while it's in his possession...it's really clear...but still, with his safe trader tag buyers will sometimes ignore those little details like what happened to me...I'm just frustrated that he's still with his safe trader tag when clearly he's not really honest when trying to sell his things...clearly not...
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If you actually browse through all my threads of lens selling, you will notice that of 3 or 4 threads I'm selling lens, only 1 of them had a photo of the back of the lens. Again, all these threads had never been edited since the day said items/lenses are sold.

You think that I have a photo of every back of every lens? Sorry, I do not. Its not a standard to take a photo of the back of the lens. As a matter of fact, do you have a photo of the back of the lens dated 2 months ago?

I accuse of you of nothing yet you accuse me of everything. From the beginning of the deal, you had always threatened to open a dispute thread to defame me yet I held no grudge.
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post Jul 18 2012, 10:45 PM

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I urge all forumers to read thoroughly before posting a reply regarding the matter on hand.

QUOTE(779364 @ Jul 18 2012, 10:38 PM)
I think its abit irresponsible for the seller to wash his hand off just because he is selling something on behalf of his friend. You should have inspected the item condition before agreeing to sell it for your friend.

And, you mention the lens has warranty by nikon. Now, Nikon refuse to honor the warranty so you have to settle this dispute. Unless it was agreed that TS is buying an item without any warranty, then you can ignore his request for refund.

Seriously, TS should check the item thoroughly and not only after 1 month you report the two missing screw. All in all, both party are at fault here
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I'm gonna make this point clear again, not sure if some people just read only the first post.

I'm not selling on behalf of my friend, that is where TS is mistaken. I got it from a friend, not selling on behalf.

Another point to note:
You used the lens for almost 2 months, you attach/reattach it to your DSLR, and you failed to notice missing screws? I'm sorry I can't see how you overlook that. While I had it, I certainly did not notice missing screws.

You're confident that I knew, well I'd say karma's is in effect. As a matter of fact, I did not know until you notified me on 1st July.

Me having a Safe Trader tag do not mean I come with a lifetime warranty, even lifetime warranty has policies that do not cover consumer misconduct or mishandle of product. To be honest, other than it being a demo unit(which I've compensated) and me having a Safe Trader tag, what else can you complaint about, really?

So if you're confident that I'm at fault here, I don't see why you have to remove me from your Friend list on Facebook, seeing you added me in the first place. Guilty, perhaps?

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post Jul 18 2012, 10:53 PM

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QUOTE(Izwan898 @ Jul 18 2012, 10:49 PM)
U got it from your friend so it's already 3rd hand...did u mentioned it in your advertisement safe trader sir?


Added on July 18, 2012, 10:51 pm

I removed u because I'm so annoyed with u. Don't want to see your blue hair face. Thought u're an honest person. But guess not.
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There is no need to call me sir, of age I'm younger, of experience I'm short.

Let's see... I asked you 1, 2, 3, 3 questions, yet you failed to give any satisfactory answer to any of these questions.

Oh so my face annoys you, that's most unfortunate for you. This is getting dumb and personal. Do you really want to continue this?

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post Jul 19 2012, 12:19 AM

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QUOTE(Axell @ Jul 19 2012, 12:13 AM)
Previous case, but this was 4 years ago. http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...5&hl=Silverfire

His friend involved & reason no money to refund, nearly same reasons to this case hmm.gif

but maybe now Seller more matured
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That case was long resolved. Admins and moderators were notified of that situation. But if you had read thoroughly you should know the reasons for that incident is nowhere near as this one.
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post Jul 19 2012, 12:39 AM

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The dupe matter was resolved, I would prefer people not to talk about it here as would our kind TS who's really happy about the fact that I was once accused of duping. Accusations of this sort, actually of any sort, can turn out very ugly.

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post Jul 19 2012, 03:22 PM

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I'm not sure if you can or cannot read, perhaps you simply chose to slide through what I said. Read thoroughly. I'm not going to repeat what I have already stated. Cheers mate.
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post Jul 19 2012, 03:30 PM

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So you're saying I'm a victim here as well?
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post Jul 19 2012, 03:34 PM

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QUOTE(0168257061 @ Jul 19 2012, 03:33 PM)
Show the previous quotation to justify your says.
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As a matter of fact, show a photo of missing screws. You have been ranting it for days yet no one has seen a photo to prove your claim.

It seems you are all talk and no proof. Just wondering, but meh.

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post Jul 19 2012, 04:11 PM

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According to images you've provided and image below, the mounting ring and aperture ring simply cannot fall off due to 2 missing screws. As a person as meticulous as you, who repeated more than once that he take cares of his belonging very well, I don't see how you failed to notice to missing screws when you attach/reattach the lens.
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Whether or not I have photo of the rear lens, it is already immaterial. I take it you want to know the reason why I said this? Alright here goes:
As a person as meticulous as you, who repeated more than once that he take cares of his belonging very well, I don't see how you failed to request a photo of rear lens before me shipping the parcel to you. That being your standard and all.

I cannot extract exif from your image so I'm going to assume these 2 photos were taken around 1st July. Still doesn't verify or prove what may have happened while the lens was with you, you being the cause or not.

Regarding the lens being submitted twice for repair, I advice you to provide proof before making any more accusations of any sorts. If what you say is true, it simply means you and I are both victim of foul play. I have no issues with making a joint police report.

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post Jul 20 2012, 12:26 AM

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QUOTE(kazibul @ Jul 19 2012, 11:04 PM)
i support u TS...made a police report is a gud idea...we will see u will "kena"....


Added on July 19, 2012, 11:57 pmcorrect me if i'm wrong...does seller mentioned the item he selling is demo unit ? for me in term on "DEMO" unit and "USED" unit got a huge different meaning...demo unit for me used/tested/tried/etc by 1 person,10 person, 100 person ,100person...so and so on..used unit for me refer to a personal item mean somebody bought it and then want to sell it...maybe the way item taken care very different from demo unit...and logically maybe only 1 or 2 person used it..for me seller should stated item is demo unit...and imho demo unit price is way cheaper than used item ( in case the item still under warranty)...)
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If you read thoroughly you will know the demo unit issue is resolved and compensated.
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post Jul 20 2012, 02:13 AM

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QUOTE(Axell @ Jul 20 2012, 01:59 AM)
I don't know, and you also don't know. Nobody know, but if TS did drop it then 100% there is scratch on the lens.
There is one more thing to clarify, is the item already missing the 2 screws before delivery and receive by TS.
Some people in Lowyat said DEMO = USED  rclxub.gif at my POV both of the terms are totally different

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Apparently dropping a lens or knocking it do not guarantee a 100% scratch. People who have sent lens for repair will know.

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post Jul 20 2012, 01:57 PM

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QUOTE(Izwan898 @ Jul 20 2012, 12:54 PM)
user posted image
Missing screws highlighted in red circles...

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Previous report reference number highlighted in red circle...

My previous ranting about nikon sc trying to con me was made in anger and pressure...I apologize for that... notworthy.gif


Added on July 20, 2012, 12:57 pm

Maybe at that time, only the screw holes were loose...the lens was still usable...like when it reached my hands...still working fine... yawn.gif
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Invoice dated 6th July 2012? There's something really off here. Just some time ago you were still ranting about Nikon not letting you have back your lens.
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post Jul 20 2012, 04:06 PM

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QUOTE(Izwan898 @ Jul 20 2012, 03:40 PM)
U cannot read? It says quotation not invoice. The lens still in their hands.


Added on July 20, 2012, 3:43 pm

What if the screws already missing before he sent it to me?
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Oh so sorry, I must have picked that habit up somewhere. But still doesn't make sense to your senseless ranting about Nikon holding your lens.
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post Jul 20 2012, 07:27 PM

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QUOTE(yuyuyu @ Jul 20 2012, 05:37 PM)
The truth is not known yet, but let me give u an example below:

-I have a new laptop under warranty, however i open up until bare motherboard to do mods, reapplied thermal paste etc.
-Got bored and sold the laptop to you, still under warranty.
-One day the laptop cannot start, you bring go claim warranty. However SC said cant claim warranty cuz void liao bcuz of what i did. Quote u rm1.2k for repair. How??
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There's a catch here. What you say may be true but its not detectable, unlike the lens where said missing screws are clearly visible. And there's no sticker to rip there either.
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post Jul 20 2012, 08:11 PM

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QUOTE(kazibul @ Jul 20 2012, 07:34 PM)
totally agreed...dishonest issue here.. for a safe trader , silverware must mention it was a demo unit at first..although the issue was settled maybe TS will not buy this lens from silverware at first if he knew this lens is demo unit...for me i'll will avoid seller like this..thanks..
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If so he could've asked for a full refund, not compensation. Learn the difference. By the way, who's silverware?

Not sure if I'm blind or they can't learn the difference between refund and compensation.
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post Jul 21 2012, 05:41 PM

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Me being a student or not has no hand in this matter. Do not post unless you have something useful to contribute. Ranting is not useful contribution.

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