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TSMr.Lonely
post Jan 12 2012, 01:39 AM, updated 14y ago

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The SSD Optimization Guide
http://thessdreview.com/ssd-guides/optimiz...zation-guide-2/

SSD related Tools and Ultilities
HDDTune ~ http://www.hdtune.com/files/hdtunepro_500_trial.exe
AS SSD Benchmark ~ http://alex-is.de/PHP/fusion/downloads.php...4&download_id=9
ATTO Disk Brench ~ http://www.attotech.com/products/product.p...=Disk_Benchmark
CrystalDiskMark ~ http://crystalmark.info/software/CrystalDi...rk/index-e.html
Intel SSD toolbox ~ http://downloadcenter.intel.com/Detail_Des...Y&DwnldID=18455
SSDlife ~ http://ssd-life.com/eng/download.html

SDD Controllers
Some Basic idea about SSD and SSD controller
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Sources:

http://www.anandtech.com/print/2829

http://benchmarkreviews.com/index.php?opti...d=444&Itemid=60

http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/storage/2...sd-controller/1[/U]

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post Jan 12 2012, 01:40 AM

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Latest News!!

7/2/2012
Intel 520 Series solid-state drive -A new muse for Intel's 25-nm NAND

01/13/2012
-New Firmware 0309 Released to fix M4 Hourly Reboot Bug
http://www.crucial.com/support/firmware.as...D=11h8yj9kv3mo7

12/1/2012
-The Crucial M4 SSD 5000hours random BSOD
http://forum.crucial.com/t5/Solid-State-Dr...p/76392/page/15
-Crucial announced super slim SSD for ultrabook
http://www.techpowerup.com/158188/Crucial-...tate-Drive.html
-Crucial join the SSD caching party with new Adrenaline SSD
http://www.tomshardware.com/news/Crucial-A...-RST,14435.html
-OCZ the Z-drive R5 SSD enterprise class PCIE gen3 SSD
http://icrontic.com/article/ocz-technology-at-ces-2012
- Muskin SF2281 mSATA SSD
http://www.anandtech.com/show/5377/mushkin...281-ssds-at-ces
- OCZ Indilinx Everest 2 Launching!
http://www.anandtech.com/show/5320/oczs-in...dom-performance

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SSD firmware and updates

OCZ
http://www.ocztechnology.com/ssd_tools/

Corsair
http://forum.corsair.com/v3/showthread.php?t=100162

Crucial
http://www.crucial.com/support/firmware.aspx

Intel
http://downloadcenter.intel.com/Detail_Des...Y&DwnldID=18455

ps. if u u wish to have others brand listed here pls PM me thank you

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Owner List

The owner list will be write in this format <username> | <family model> | <size> | <addon info , raid etcs> |
pls feel free to let me know if u wish your name added to the list.

Crucial
1) owikh84 | M4 | 128GB x 2 | RAID-0
2) Mr.Lonely | M4 | 128GB |
3) raikko | M4 | 128GB |
4) bryan | Crucial M4 | 256gb |
5) skycrawler | Crucial M4 | 128gb |
6) Qavs | Crucial M4 | 256GB |
7) stormaker | Crucial M4 | 256GB |
8) torino | Crucial M4 | 128GB |

Intel
1) owikh84 | X18-M G2 | 160GB |
2) Colonel Cabuk | X25-M G2 | 160GB |
3) TDUEnthusiast | Intel 330 Series | 120GB |
4) lucidlts | Intel 330 & Intel 520 | 60GB & 120GB |
5) Farizul | Intel 330 | 120GB |

OCZ Technology
1) abafamny_90 | Vertex 3 | 120GB |
2) kherel77 | OCZ Vertex Plus | 60GB |

Corsair
1) EricCYL | Force GT | 120GB X 2 | RAID-0
2) PandoraV | Force GT | 90GB &120GB |
3) soundsyst64 | Corsair Force 3 SATA3 | 120GB |

Samsung
1) Shufferlz | Samsung 830 Series | 128GB |
2) Shufflerz | Samsung 470 Series | 256GB

LiteOn
1) Shufflerz | Liteon M2S MLC | 128GB |

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post Jan 12 2012, 01:41 AM

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any suggestion to improve the SSD thread are welcomed! please feel free to PM me if u have anything wanted to share with us in the front page... drool.gif

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post Jan 12 2012, 07:18 AM

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nice one bro... i got 1 suggestion, maybe u can put links to firmware upgrades too, at least for the few most used ssds locally. that wud be much help.
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there is also some videos by sandisk explaining SSD chips in technical...

http://www.youtube.com/user/SanDiskSSD
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post Jan 12 2012, 11:17 AM

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SSD related Tools and Ultilities
HD Tune 5.00

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post Jan 12 2012, 01:44 PM

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i know HDD price increase a lot due to thailand flood. Any idea about SSD price. my 120gb pecah, need to get more. Thinking of HDD but price is double jor.
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QUOTE(kuekwee @ Jan 12 2012, 01:44 PM)
i know HDD price increase a lot due to thailand flood. Any idea about SSD price. my 120gb pecah, need to get more. Thinking of HDD but price is double jor.
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darn price wait so long only see price drop about RM30...

anyway congrat v2.
can't wait for intel ssd520
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post Jan 12 2012, 04:10 PM

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QUOTE(kakicam @ Jan 12 2012, 07:18 AM)
nice one bro... i got 1 suggestion, maybe u can put links to firmware upgrades too, at least for the few most used ssds locally. that wud be much help.
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yea actually i thinking to do tat but recently i having exam till 20th of this month, more update and organise will come soon once i m free =) pls hold tight mean while blush.gif
btw could u pls suggest a list of firmware that should included in the front page? laugh.gif

QUOTE(antonio @ Jan 12 2012, 10:57 AM)
there is also some videos by sandisk explaining SSD chips in technical...

http://www.youtube.com/user/SanDiskSSD
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thank for the video will update it once, i m free

QUOTE(owikh84 @ Jan 12 2012, 11:17 AM)
SSD related Tools and Ultilities
HD Tune 5.00
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thank you for contribution boss!

QUOTE(kuekwee @ Jan 12 2012, 01:44 PM)
i know HDD price increase a lot due to thailand flood. Any idea about SSD price. my 120gb pecah, need to get more. Thinking of HDD but price is double jor.
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SSD do not make use of rotor tat made in thailand so there will be no price hike as long nand flash stay low =)


how about creating a owner list of SSD user across all the brand?

for example, Crucial M4 user list, Corsair Force Series, OCZ Vertex series etcs?

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post Jan 12 2012, 05:47 PM

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QUOTE(kuekwee @ Jan 12 2012, 01:44 PM)
i know HDD price increase a lot due to thailand flood. Any idea about SSD price. my 120gb pecah, need to get more. Thinking of HDD but price is double jor.
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i think ssd price is decreasing laaa. just check a 320 80 gb last time more than rm500 now only rm430
QUOTE(Mr.Lonely @ Jan 12 2012, 04:10 PM)
yea actually i thinking to do tat but recently i having exam till 20th of this month, more update and organise will come soon once i m free =) pls hold tight mean while  blush.gif
btw could u pls suggest a list of firmware that should included in the front page?  laugh.gif
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i'll pm u later

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QUOTE(Mr.Lonely @ Jan 12 2012, 04:10 PM)
how about creating a owner list of SSD user across all the brand?

for example, Crucial M4 user list, Corsair Force Series, OCZ Vertex series etcs?
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hmmm owner list not necessary i think. but thats not up to me.. let see what other users say??

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QUOTE(Mr.Lonely @ Jan 12 2012, 04:10 PM)

how about creating a owner list of SSD user across all the brand?

for example, Crucial M4 user list, Corsair Force Series, OCZ Vertex series etcs?
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nice...it would be a good addition as we'll know which SSD is the most popular among LYN'ers rclxms.gif
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QUOTE(antonio @ Jan 12 2012, 10:08 PM)
nice...it would be a good addition as we'll know which SSD is the most popular among LYN'ers  rclxms.gif
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no problem as long as TS could accept "hi, pls add me to the list" PMs or this thread will be bombarded with this kind of replies.

btw, add me to the list laugh.gif

2x Crucial M4 128GB in raid0

raid0 on MIVE-Z / i7 2600K @ 5.0GHz, dram 2133 7-9-7-20
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raid0 on RIVE / i7 3930K @ 5.0GHz, dram 2400 9-11-10-28
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QUOTE(owikh84 @ Jan 13 2012, 08:38 AM)
no problem as long as TS could accept "hi, pls add me to the list" PMs or this thread will be bombarded with this kind of replies.

btw, add me to the list  laugh.gif

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+1 ... LOL, plus the list will be very messy since every brand has so many models too. and some users have more than 1 models and brands too like myself LOL.. icon_idea.gif
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QUOTE(kakicam @ Jan 12 2012, 05:47 PM)
i think ssd price is decreasing laaa. just check a 320 80 gb last time more than rm500 now only rm430

i'll pm u later
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when will M4 256GB less then RM600? cry.gif

QUOTE(iaknesnah @ Jan 12 2012, 07:42 PM)
hmmm owner list not necessary i think. but thats not up to me.. let see what other users say??
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haha anyway thank for the input!

QUOTE(antonio @ Jan 12 2012, 10:08 PM)
nice...it would be a good addition as we'll know which SSD is the most popular among LYN'ers  rclxms.gif
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yup that what i m thinking brows.gif so we know who is the largest bad ass over there sucking all our money

QUOTE(owikh84 @ Jan 13 2012, 08:38 AM)
no problem as long as TS could accept "hi, pls add me to the list" PMs or this thread will be bombarded with this kind of replies.

btw, add me to the list  laugh.gif

2x Crucial M4 128GB in raid0

raid0 on MIVE-Z / i7 2600K @ 5.0GHz, dram 2133 7-9-7-20
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raid0 on RIVE / i7 3930K @ 5.0GHz, dram 2400 9-11-10-28
user posted image
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haha u r sure be the 1st one in the list =)

QUOTE(iaknesnah @ Jan 13 2012, 09:46 AM)
+1 ... LOL, plus the list will be very messy since every brand has so many models too. and some users have more than 1 models and brands too like myself LOL.. icon_idea.gif
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i think i will organise it according to brand with a sub classification of series/model range instead of specific model
for example
OCZ Vertex( consisit of all vertex regardless of vertex 2 3 enterprise etcs)
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anyway more update will come soon but not so soon having final exam!!
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Sometimes i just too curious to know that ssd maker claim their ssd with MTBF=2 million hours rated.If this is so,why only 3 years warranty which is even shorter than mechanical hhd's 5 years warranty with MTBF=100,000 hours ?

Let's say,i put 2000 pieces of ssd into test and run for 2000 hours,but unfortunately 1 of the 2000 fails after duration of the 2000 hours test.
So i could declare that my ssds that running fine after 2000 hours has a MTBF=4 million hours. smile.gif

That probability distribution before failure will be acceptably low,but that does not guarantee the remaining working ssd will not fails after,says 2001 hours.

Opinions welcome.
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is Kingston HyperX 120gb a good SSD?
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Silly question but...

Since SSDs have a limited amount of times it can write... What happens when it runs out? Its gonna become un-useable like a bad sector?
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On my company's notebook running 128GB SSD and Windows 7 Ultimate, I find that when I right click on any file or any icon on the drive, it takes like 10 minutes or so before I can get any menu. I can move the mouse but the mouse arrow changes to busy during that time. Anything wrong?
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QUOTE(scyap @ Jan 14 2012, 12:34 AM)
Silly question but...

Since SSDs have a limited amount of times it can write... What happens when it runs out?  Its gonna become un-useable like a bad sector?
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it will become read only.
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New Firmware 0309 Released to fix M4 Hourly Reboot Bug

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Release Date: 01/13/2012
Change Log:

Changes made in version 0002 (m4 can be updated to revision 0309 directly from either revision 0001, 0002, or 0009)

Correct a condition where an incorrect response to a SMART counter will cause the m4 drive to become unresponsive after 5184 hours of Power-on time. The drive will recover after a power cycle, however, this failure will repeat once per hour after reaching this point. The condition will allow the end user to successfully update firmware, and poses no risk to user or system data stored on the drive.

This firmware update is STRONGLY RECOMMENDED for drives in the field. Although the failure mode due to the SMART Power On Hours counter poses no risk to saved user data, the failure mode can become repetitive, and pose a nuisance to the end user. If the end user has not yet observed this failure mode, this update is required to prevent it from happening.

If you are using a SAS Expander please do not download this Firmware. As soon as we have a Firmware Update that will work in these applications we will release it.
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QUOTE(jchue73 @ Jan 14 2012, 07:36 AM)
On my company's notebook running 128GB SSD and Windows 7 Ultimate, I find that when I right click on any file or any icon on the drive, it takes like 10 minutes or so before I can get any menu. I can move the mouse but the mouse arrow changes to busy during that time. Anything wrong?
Answering to my own reply...

I initially turned off Windows Search under Services. I switched it back on and now it works fine.

QUOTE(owikh84 @ Jan 14 2012, 08:04 AM)
New Firmware 0309 Released to fix M4 Hourly Reboot Bug

Download Link
Thanks for the post. Since getting the 64GB and 128GB M4 last October and installed in my Toshiba M9 and Acer 1410 respectively, I have only shutdown for like 5 times in total. 5184 hours equals 216 days. Will update it.
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anyone can let me know the comparison between SSD with 15k RPM 6GB/s SAS, 7.2k RPM near line SED SAS, seagate momentus XT ?

I was thinking to use 300GB SSD, 3 seagate momentus XT. It's seaget momentus hybrid drive work slower than thos 15k RPM 6GB/s SAS
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anyone can let me know the comparison between SSD with 15k RPM 6GB/s SAS, 7.2k RPM near line SED SAS, seagate momentus XT ?

I was thinking to use 300GB SSD, 3 seagate momentus XT. It's seaget momentus hybrid drive work slower than thos 15k RPM 6GB/s SAS
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Sometimes if my PC BSOD'ed, when it restarted my OCZ Agility 3 won't be detected in the BIOS and I have to restart the PC again for it to be detected. Is this normal?
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QUOTE(DrBlueBox @ Jan 15 2012, 01:35 AM)
Sometimes if my PC BSOD'ed, when it restarted my OCZ Agility 3 won't be detected in the BIOS and I have to restart the PC again for it to be detected. Is this normal?
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yup sounds pretty normal to me. thats what happen to me when i was using sandforce. have u updated the firmware?
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yup sounds pretty normal to me. thats what happen to me when i was using sandforce. have u updated the firmware?
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Never thought of doing it before. Link for the new firmware please?
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QUOTE(Dackson @ Jan 15 2012, 01:33 AM)
anyone can let me know the comparison between SSD with 15k RPM 6GB/s SAS, 7.2k RPM near line SED SAS, seagate momentus XT ?

I was thinking to use 300GB SSD, 3 seagate momentus XT. It's seaget momentus hybrid drive work slower than thos 15k RPM 6GB/s SAS
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i think you should go look for reviews for SSD and reviews for HDD as well as reviews for seagate momentus XT. their difference are obvious.

i advice you do some product research before asking difference between SSD and HDD and Momentus XT (HYBRID)
No offense to you, but i recommended this because it will be more easier for you to look at the graph that reviews provided rather than Wall of text people written here, or having people posting separated graph.
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QUOTE(DrBlueBox @ Jan 15 2012, 05:12 AM)
Never thought of doing it before. Link for the new firmware please?
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here u go bro

http://www.ocztechnology.com/ssd_tools/OCZ...2_and_Synapse_/
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QUOTE(Dackson @ Jan 15 2012, 01:33 AM)
anyone can let me know the comparison between SSD with 15k RPM 6GB/s SAS, 7.2k RPM near line SED SAS, seagate momentus XT ?

I was thinking to use 300GB SSD, 3 seagate momentus XT. It's seaget momentus hybrid drive work slower than thos 15k RPM 6GB/s SAS
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Don't think it's worth it for you to use 3 seagate momentus XT.
Getting 3x Samsung F3 1TB is a much better investment. You can RAID 2 of them and the other use it as an extra backup.

Performance difference between them is pretty much non-existant, as I assume you're using it for data purposes.
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all suggestion and updates to today date is updated.
a new owner list is added to the main page! feel free to let me know if u wish to added into the owner list. thank you
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my 1st time using ssd and this is my intel 320 120gb ssd. is this mark ok?

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and how come i cant update my firmware using the intel SSD tools? need help

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QUOTE(KoYuKii @ Jan 15 2012, 07:03 PM)
my 1st time using ssd and this is my intel 320 120gb ssd. is this mark ok?

and how come i cant update my firmware using the intel SSD tools? need help


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your read speed is pretty slow..shud be like mine and your write speed is ok i think
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have u tried what the toolbox ask u to do
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is this okay? i bought it 2nd hand, d first owner used it for 5 months.

I just installed windows 7 to it.

I'm about to apply all the optimization smile.gif
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So... Those memory storage in iPhones etc are flash-nand storage too right?
and they'll eventually run out of writes too isn't it?
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QUOTE(KoYuKii @ Jan 15 2012, 07:03 PM)
my 1st time using ssd and this is my intel 320 120gb ssd. is this mark ok?
and how come i cant update my firmware using the intel SSD tools? need help

connect SSD to SATA2 port, instead of SATA3
in BIOS set SATA mode to IDE, ensure that S.M.A.R.T is enabled.
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QUOTE(Cyclonechuah @ Jan 15 2012, 05:34 AM)
i think you should go look for reviews for SSD and reviews for HDD as well as reviews for seagate momentus XT. their difference are obvious.

i advice you do some product research before asking difference between SSD and HDD and Momentus XT (HYBRID)
No offense to you, but i recommended this because it will be more easier for you to look at the graph that reviews provided rather than Wall of text people written here, or having people posting separated graph.
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I ald read SSD and SAS. Just dnt hv SAS 6GB/s vs SSD. The test of momentus TX vs SAS 6GB/s.
Momentus using 4GB SSD as memory. It only faster in reading but writing just like normal hard disc.

QUOTE(SSJBen @ Jan 15 2012, 03:27 PM)
Don't think it's worth it for you to use 3 seagate momentus XT.
Getting 3x Samsung F3 1TB is a much better investment. You can RAID 2 of them and the other use it as an extra backup.

Performance difference between them is pretty much non-existant, as I assume you're using it for data purposes.
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I'm thinking to use 300GB SSD 6GB/s as main drive, 64 GB SSD as virtual drive,1 drive as application, 2 as data storage (use for data reading by application).
Samsung F3, Momentus, WD15k RPM SAS 6GB/s. no idea which one performance/price wise.
1T 7.2k RPM 6GB/s near liner SAS cost RM1.6k
300GB 15k RPM 6GB/s SAS cost RM1.3k
500GB seagate momentus TX ~RM500++ ~RM1/GB (reading should be around 140Mb/s)

I failed to search the benchmark result about them.
It's good to use 2x Corsair 120GB SSD (550/520mb/s read and write).
It's impossible to RAID 5 of them ?
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QUOTE(iaknesnah @ Jan 15 2012, 08:12 PM)
your read speed is pretty slow..shud be like mine and your write speed is ok i think
have u tried what the toolbox ask u to do

ur seq write speed is lower than specs, i think should update mobo chipset + Intel RST driver.
my scores for G3 160GB running is as below:
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is my read/write good? please advice.

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QUOTE(owikh84 @ Jan 15 2012, 11:41 PM)
connect SSD to SATA2 port, instead of SATA3
in BIOS set SATA mode to IDE, ensure that S.M.A.R.T is enabled.
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anyone can teach me how to configure RAID ?
If got two same SSD, 1 7.2k RPM 64mb buffer, and 10k RPM
Can i RAID them all to Raid 1 and RAID 5 ?
Or can i RAID 10 to two SSD, and dnt RAID the remaining drive since remaining is SAS and non SAS?


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QUOTE(abafamny_90 @ Jan 16 2012, 12:16 AM)
is my read/write good? please advice.

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your read/write is good. but pls post another bench after u done with optimization icon_rolleyes.gif

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QUOTE(owikh84 @ Jan 15 2012, 11:46 PM)
ur seq write speed is lower than specs, i think should update mobo chipset + Intel RST driver.
my scores for G3 160GB running is as below:
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no bro . i am using 80gb only.. thats y my sequential write is about half of what u got blush.gif

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QUOTE(Dackson @ Jan 16 2012, 12:43 AM)
anyone can teach me how to configure RAID ?
If got two same SSD, 1 7.2k RPM 64mb buffer, and 10k RPM
Can i RAID them all to Raid 1 and RAID 5 ?
Or can i RAID 10 to two SSD, and dnt RAID the remaining drive since remaining is SAS and non SAS?
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From what i know, people usually recommend same type of HDD for RAID.

You can't raid SSD with HDD.

btw, Raid can be configured with your Motherboard Bios, as long as your mobo supports RAID Configuration. Btw do you understand RAID?(judging from what you said RAID 1 and RAID 5 and RAID 10, i believe you don't understand them)
More Information on RAID : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RAID
RAID Explained in Diagrams : http://www.thegeekstuff.com/2010/08/raid-levels-tutorial/

Currently, i don't recommend you doing RAID with SSD since they still not yet have Trim support.(sorry, i`m quite slowpoke in this, i only know Trim support for RAID will be available in future, if it's already available, please point out, thanks)
More Information on SSD TRIM Support : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TRIM

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your read/write is good. but pls post another bench after u done with optimization  icon_rolleyes.gif
After optimization, but out of all those optimizations, i left out 4 i think cuz i'm too noob

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after change port i got the speed what my SSD sud have. icon_rolleyes.gif

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QUOTE(abafamny_90 @ Jan 16 2012, 02:21 AM)
After optimization, but out of all those optimizations, i left out 4 i think cuz i'm too noob

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funny coz your 4k speed before optimization was better than latest result although there are some improvements in sequential but u lost a lot on 4k.
QUOTE(KoYuKii @ Jan 16 2012, 02:29 AM)
after change port i got the speed what my SSD sud have.  icon_rolleyes.gif


isit normal for my 4k qd32 read speed?
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i'd say u still not getting the right speed. your 4k shud be more than or at least 20mb/s. have u installed the latest intel RST driver? then do the optimization shown in the 1 post. but pls be reminded that some optimization are not for intel ssd and some are not for sandforce. it is written in the optimization page.

look at my result. this is what u shud be getting for read speed.
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U r really a master. I connected to sata3 port coz I tot I need the achi mode. Will try connect other port and test later. Thanks
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yupe, u need to use ACHI mode to enable TRIM.
the IDE mode is just to sort out problem u had during firmware upgrade.
but now it seems to work fine for u. Congratz!
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QUOTE(Cyclonechuah @ Jan 16 2012, 02:12 AM)
From what i know, people usually recommend same type of HDD for RAID.

You can't raid SSD with HDD.

btw, Raid can be configured with your Motherboard Bios, as long as your mobo supports RAID Configuration. Btw do you understand RAID?(judging from what you said RAID 1 and RAID 5 and RAID 10, i believe you don't understand them)
More Information on RAID : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RAID
RAID Explained in Diagrams : http://www.thegeekstuff.com/2010/08/raid-levels-tutorial/

Currently, i don't recommend you doing RAID with SSD since they still not yet have Trim support.(sorry, i`m quite slowpoke in this, i only know Trim support for RAID will be available in future, if it's already available, please point out, thanks)
More Information on SSD TRIM Support : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TRIM
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I had read those link yesterday.
I was thinking whether should i use the advantage of RAID or not.
First, i can not afford any failure data. 2nd, It's use for critical performance.
RAID 0 totally out of my mind. I need to set a duplicate back up. It's RAID 1 is the good option ?
Can i just raid 3 of the Hard disc leaving SSD un-RAID ?? I saw a benchmark that RAID 5 of the samsung SAS greatly improve the performance.
By the way, any good idea to customize hard drive with SSD.
Install main OS on SSD. Application on 2nd hard disc. read data from storage 1. Keep data in to storage 2 and storage 3 which may be used again by application.
I hv no idea which hard drive to use for the rest of it. using 5 SSD or 1 SSD 4 SAS which is over budget.
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QUOTE(Dackson @ Jan 16 2012, 11:06 AM)
I had read those link yesterday.
I was thinking whether should i use the advantage of RAID or not.
First, i can not afford any failure data. 2nd, It's use for critical performance.
RAID 0 totally out of my mind. I need to set a duplicate back up. It's RAID 1 is the good option ?
Can i just raid 3 of the Hard disc leaving SSD un-RAID ?? I saw a benchmark that RAID 5 of the samsung SAS greatly improve the performance.
By the way, any good idea to customize hard drive with SSD.
Install main OS on SSD. Application on 2nd hard disc. read data from storage 1. Keep data in to storage 2 and storage 3 which may be used again by application.
I hv no idea which hard drive to use for the rest of it. using 5 SSD or 1 SSD 4 SAS which is over budget.
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Read intensive application such as 3D editing, Photoshop and OS should be in SSD.
While Media and additional important files can be store in HDD.
Single SSD performance is good enough for users without the need to RAID.

May i ask what's your intention for RAID?

Only same size of HDD can be RAID.
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/HETERO...-WORK,1789.html
You can't raid a 500gb with 1tb.

Plus, if you're saving cost and RAID a 7.2k rpm HDD and 10k rpm HDD(if they are in same size)
The performance will be bottleneck by the 7.2 rpm HDD because 7.2k rpm HDD has inferior performance compare to 10k rpm

RAID HDD does not means, HDD 1 Performance + HDD 2 Performance = Total Performance.

RAID 5 Requires atleast 3 SSD or 3 SAS HDD.
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QUOTE(Cyclonechuah @ Jan 16 2012, 12:43 PM)
Read intensive application such as 3D editing, Photoshop and OS should be in SSD.
While Media and additional important files can be store in HDD.
Single SSD performance is good enough for users without the need to RAID.

May i ask what's your intention for RAID?

Only same size of HDD can be RAID.
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/HETERO...-WORK,1789.html
You can't raid a 500gb with 1tb.

Plus, if you're saving cost and RAID a 7.2k rpm HDD and 10k rpm HDD(if they are in same size)
The performance will be bottleneck by the 7.2 rpm HDD because 7.2k rpm HDD has inferior performance compare to 10k rpm

RAID HDD does not means, HDD 1 Performance + HDD 2 Performance = Total Performance.

RAID 5 Requires atleast 3 SSD or 3 SAS HDD.
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The application i use is process, ram, reading and writing intensive.
I saw the benchmark showing RAID can increase the performance provided it full fill the condition.
I hope with RAID it can speed the process and reduce time consuming.

In order to use RAID 5, I need to increase my budget. Budget 2.5k kind hard to use 3 SAS + 3 SSD.
WD Raptor 160GB cost RM899 ... that why i go to momentus TX
My target is Performance/price. Reading form storage is important, yet writing on storage should be fine for me.

Got ppl said that Dell Tower server T610 can not simply plug in hard drive. The BIOS may be can not support certain SSD and else T.T
Currently, I'm customizing it in order to reduce cost.
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u shud know momentus xt only read a specific amount of data which are frequently used with high speed. other than that it will take some time to read non frequent data, correct me if i am wrong
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u shud know momentus xt only read a specific amount of data which are frequently used with high speed. other than that it will take some time to read non frequent data, correct me if i am wrong
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I assume that the largest file will be use for application read will be about 13GB ++ with ~10m to 100m small files. I/O also important...
Then, should use SSD since it's stable >__<
5pcs of 120GB SSD ...OMG ... over budget...

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SSD is not recommended for Write intensive since it will degrade it's performance.

If you're going for Write intensive work load, go for SAS HDD
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QUOTE(Cyclonechuah @ Jan 16 2012, 03:01 PM)
SSD is not recommended for Write intensive since it will degrade it's performance.

If you're going for Write intensive work load, go for SAS HDD
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OMG ... I want to cry ald.
So, my combination should 2x SSD (Read 550mb/s; Write 520Mb/s), 1 15k RPM 6GB/s SAS for application (Intensive application), 1 normal, 2 storage ?
Look like this server really user inconvenient >.<
If read intensively, it's ok ?

Just Hard drive itself causing so much problem.
HVnt go to controller, RAM, Processor, networking controller sweat.gif sweat.gif

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SSD write is actually a lot more durable than it sounds, even if it is limited at 3,000 writes per block. Say you get an Intel 320 160GB and then write 160GB to it every day, it will easily last you for 5 years and have an upper limit of 8 years and 2 months.

Most small and medium businesses will find it impossible to exhaust any given SSD's write limit and most large businesses will find it very challenging to accomplish. When Cyclonechuah says write-intensive, it means writing more than 1x the SSD's storage capacity per day. And by per day, I mean every day, including weekends and holidays. So it really depends on how and where the SSD is going to be used. And it is possible to roughly estimate how long any SSD would last you, and most estimates actually over-estimate how much writes you'll consume.

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SSD write is actually a lot more durable than it sounds, even if it is limited at 3,000 writes per block. Say you get an Intel 320 160GB and then write 160GB to it every day, it will easily last you for 5 years and have an upper limit of 8 years and 2 months.

Most small and medium businesses will find it impossible to exhaust any given SSD's write limit and most large businesses will find it very challenging to accomplish. When Cyclonechuah says write-intensive, it means writing more than 1x the SSD's storage capacity per day. And by per day, I mean every day, including weekends and holidays. So it really depends on how and where the SSD is going to be used. And it is possible to roughly estimate how long any SSD would last you.
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Then should be ok. Mostly 10GB for a day up to 1 month, project done. Probably i will direct out put the data directly into storage rather keep it on SSD. Hope storage possess high reading rate.
Just SSD can handle millions (10-100) of read as single input or not ?
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QUOTE(Dackson @ Jan 16 2012, 03:59 PM)
Then should be ok. Mostly 10GB for a day up to 1 month, project done. Probably i will direct out put the data directly into storage rather keep it on SSD. Hope storage possess high reading rate.
Just SSD can handle millions (10-100) of read as single input or not ?
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read shouldnt be a problem but write yes smile.gif
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read shouldnt be a problem but write yes  smile.gif
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At 10GB per day for 30 days, write is not a problem either. doh.gif

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QUOTE(Dackson @ Jan 16 2012, 03:59 PM)
Then should be ok. Mostly 10GB for a day up to 1 month, project done. Probably i will direct out put the data directly into storage rather keep it on SSD. Hope storage possess high reading rate.
Just SSD can handle millions (10-100) of read as single input or not ?
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You can keep it on the SSD, unless you have better things to do with the SSD that needs the space.

There is no read limit, so it would be safe to assume that it won't be an issue.

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noted.
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You can keep it on the SSD, unless you have better things to do with the SSD that needs the space.

There is no read limit, so it would be safe to assume that it won't be an issue.
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That sound great.
I can option 1 SSD as main, 2nd SSD for virtual, 3rd small SSD for temporally raw data reading by application, 1x 300GB SAS application, 2x WD clavior black 500GB storage (can i RAID this two drive only ?).
2 SSD 120GB =1.2k
1 64GB SSD= 378
SAS = no idea how much it's
clavior black = unknown the price
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QUOTE(Dackson @ Jan 16 2012, 04:39 PM)
That sound great.
I can option 1 SSD as main, 2nd SSD for virtual, 3rd small SSD for temporally raw data reading by application, 1x 300GB SAS application, 2x WD clavior black 500GB storage (can i RAID this two drive only ?).
2 SSD 120GB =1.2k
1 64GB SSD= 378
SAS = no idea how much it's
clavior black = unknown the price
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Why you need SAS HDD? i'm quite confused by this. =X
Since on Performance comparison, SAS HDD that is 15k RPM, you will still need to RAID 0 them to try to outperform a single SSD.
Why not just get a big size SSD for Main OS and Applications?

My suggestion for you would be.

Intel 320 Series 300gb SSD as Main OS and Application.
2nd or 3rd SSD for Virtual/Scratch Disk.

2x Caviar Black 500gb for RAID 1
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QUOTE(Cyclonechuah @ Jan 16 2012, 06:00 PM)
Why you need SAS HDD? i'm quite confused by this. =X
Since on Performance comparison, SAS HDD that is 15k RPM, you will still need to RAID 0 them to try to outperform a single SSD.
Why not just get a big size SSD for Main OS and Applications?

My suggestion for you would be.

Intel 320 Series 300gb SSD as Main OS and Application.
2nd or 3rd SSD for Virtual/Scratch Disk.

2x Caviar Black 500gb for RAID 1
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Yalo~ put SAS into sound weird biggrin.gif tongue.gif . I can not take the risk of failure on RAID 0 in the output.
Intel SSD 320 300GB damn expensive and the read just 250mb/s ++ =__= Intel 320 SSD 160GB cost RM900++
120GB corsair Read 550mb/s cost RM589. I prefer other brand SSD for cheaper and better speed. Why intel SSD so expensive ?

300GB SSD will make me over budget. If i need to put in 2nd SSD for virtual and 2 storage RAID1.
Claviar black dnt hv 2.5' one >_<

WHy a server make suffer.
In order to save time, i just make the server offline

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QUOTE(Dackson @ Jan 16 2012, 06:51 PM)
Yalo~ put SAS into sound weird  biggrin.gif  tongue.gif . I can not take the risk of failure on RAID 0 in the output.
Intel SSD 320 300GB damn expensive and the read just 250mb/s ++ =__= Intel 320 SSD 160GB cost RM900++
120GB corsair Read 550mb/s cost RM589. I prefer other brand SSD for cheaper and better speed. Why intel SSD so expensive ?

300GB SSD will make me over budget. If i need to put in 2nd SSD for virtual and 2 storage RAID1.
Claviar black dnt hv 2.5' one >_<

WHy a server make suffer.
In order to save time, i just make the server offline
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Intel is actually not that expensive
Corsair are decent too but remember anything over 2xxmb/s need SATA 6 to use that speed smile.gif
But sequential is not everything,random access etc is where SSD make a big difference
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QUOTE(Dackson @ Jan 16 2012, 02:16 PM)
Got ppl said that Dell Tower server T610 can not simply plug in hard drive. The BIOS may be can not support certain SSD and else T.T
Currently, I'm customizing it in order to reduce cost.
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I'm using a Dell T610 with Intel 320 SSDs, had to get a bay from Ebay though (lol seriously).
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QUOTE(OC4/3 @ Jan 16 2012, 07:14 PM)
Intel is actually not that expensive
Corsair are decent too but remember anything over 2xxmb/s need SATA 6 to use that speed  smile.gif
But sequential is not everything,random access etc is where SSD make a big difference
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huh~ OMG ....
Most board is SATA 3 right ?

QUOTE(wKkaY @ Jan 16 2012, 09:07 PM)
I'm using a Dell T610 with Intel 320 SSDs, had to get a bay from Ebay though (lol seriously).
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T610 sata 6 right ?
The server come with nice stuff ??
Got any hardware issue from it ? Their management software can one click open virtual window ?

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QUOTE(Dackson @ Jan 16 2012, 10:00 PM)
huh~ OMG ....
Most board is SATA 3 right ?
T610 sata 6 right ?
The server come with nice stuff ??
Got any hardware issue from it ? Their management software can one click open virtual window ?
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hi guys i want to ask abt uncompressed data, does it plays an important role in our everyday use ? any examples abt uncompressed data ? hmm
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just curious what are you building your server for ??
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It's education purposes ^.^
I'm really noob, forgotten to check sata ... too long didnt up to date tongue.gif
It's not my field, i just step one leg on it.
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QUOTE(Dackson @ Jan 17 2012, 12:17 AM)
It's education purposes ^.^
I'm really noob, forgotten to check sata ... too long didnt up to date  tongue.gif
It's not my field, i just step one leg on it.
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next time open a thread asking for opinion that would be better..

i read until no road.. haha thats why i ask directly what your trying to achieve smile.gif
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next time open a thread asking for opinion that would be better..

i read until no road.. haha thats why i ask directly what your trying to achieve smile.gif
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Sorry. I only up to date during the 1st generation of momentus hybrid drive. The rest i hv no idea.
May be i will buy one SSD and put it into my laptop. So, i may be can run some programme efficiently. I still got alot of server thing remain unknown.
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hi guys i want to ask abt uncompressed data, does it plays an important role in our everyday use ? any examples abt uncompressed data ?  hmm
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everyday no but if u play with photo, video then only yes.. smile.gif
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QUOTE(Dackson @ Jan 17 2012, 12:53 AM)
Sorry. I only up to date during the 1st generation of momentus hybrid drive. The rest i hv no idea.
May be i will buy one SSD and put it into my laptop. So, i may be can run some programme efficiently. I still got alot of server thing remain unknown.
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I dont think you need a server to run your apps,a decent built desktop/workstation would just suffice.
Also look for laptop equipped with
http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/chi...e-chipsets.html
http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/chi...m-chipsets.html

chipsets to fully utilize sata 3 6Gb/s ssd,or just look for a macbook with sata 3 port enable.




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Is it a must to change user profile And program files directory? I'm really confusing here.
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Is it a must to change user profile And program files directory? I'm really confusing here.
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y change?

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QUOTE(PandoraV @ Jan 17 2012, 11:20 AM)
I dont think you need a server to run your apps,a decent built desktop/workstation would just suffice.
Also look for laptop equipped with
http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/chi...e-chipsets.html
http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/chi...m-chipsets.html

chipsets to fully utilize sata 3 6Gb/s ssd,or just look for a macbook with sata 3 port enable.
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My supervisor want a server. However, most of those program run by server with Xeon.
They want remote access by few ppl. Need to use it to connect to other server may be.
I'm fine with either server or workstation. As long as can make my job done in minutes and stable.
Dell precesion workstation laptop just can slot in 16GB RAM, 32GB RAM totally cost a BoOm.

Added on January 17, 2012, 1:00 pm
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I'm using a Dell T610 with Intel 320 SSDs, had to get a bay from Ebay though (lol seriously).
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can you give me the plat number of 8Gb and 4GB RAM, LV ECC RDIMM Dual RANK used by dell ?

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what i mean are like those programs cache files..coz dun wan use too much write on my SSD. doh.gif
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can you give me the plat number of 8Gb and 4GB RAM, LV ECC RDIMM Dual RANK used by dell ?
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We're using 12 x 2GB sticks. Pretty standard stuff - unbuffered ECC DDR3. If you want more than 24GB RAM you'll need buffered DIMMs. Refer to their service manual for more info.

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QUOTE(Dackson @ Jan 16 2012, 10:00 PM)
T610 sata 6 right ?
The server come with nice stuff ??
Got any hardware issue from it ? Their management software can one click open virtual window ?
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Don't remember if it's SATA 6. Don't know what you mean by "nice stuff".

There's one issue we're facing where the server won't POST until you unplug/replug its power from the wall. Started doing this after one very bad lightning strike.

We bought the server cheap anyway - less than RM3k, thanks to Dell DFO biggrin.gif
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what i mean are like those programs cache files..coz dun wan use too much write on my SSD.  doh.gif
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QUOTE(wKkaY @ Jan 17 2012, 03:31 PM)
We're using 12 x 2GB sticks. Pretty standard stuff - unbuffered ECC DDR3. If you want more than 24GB RAM you'll need buffered DIMMs. Refer to their service manual for more info.

Added on January 17, 2012, 3:33 pm
Don't remember if it's SATA 6. Don't know what you mean by "nice stuff".

There's one issue we're facing where the server won't POST until you unplug/replug its power from the wall. Started doing this after one very bad lightning strike.

We bought the server cheap anyway - less than RM3k, thanks to Dell DFO biggrin.gif
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I got read the manual, just didnt aware the buffered.
The RAM, u buy it urself or get from Dell ??
I plan to plug in 32GB RAM, (2x8GB, 4x4GB). Still got 6 empty Dimm >_<
Nice stuff, such as those function and blabla ?

My place, always got lightning =_=
Should i consider un-interrupted power supply ?
How come T610 less than 3k ?? DFO ?

Dual Xeon E5620
32GB RAM
300GB 15k SAS
1T 7.2k SAS
3yrs Pro Support
Monitor, keyboard
No SSD ...
Cost 14k =___=

Ur server using which OS ?
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QUOTE(Dackson @ Jan 18 2012, 12:17 AM)
1. I got read the manual, just didnt aware the buffered.
2. The RAM, u buy it urself or get from Dell ??
3. I plan to plug in 32GB RAM, (2x8GB, 4x4GB). Still got 6 empty Dimm >_<
4. Nice stuff, such as those function and blabla ?
5. My place, always got lightning =_= Should i consider un-interrupted power supply ?
6. How come T610 less than 3k ?? DFO ?

Dual Xeon E5620
32GB RAM
300GB 15k SAS
1T 7.2k SAS
3yrs Pro Support
Monitor, keyboard
No SSD ...
Cost 14k =___=

7. Ur server using which OS ?
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1. You should really read it, here: http://support.ap.dell.com/support/edocs/s.../pdf/hom_en.pdf
2. Bought it ourselves.
3. That's why you should read the manual. What you want to do isn't a supported config and your server probably won't boot. The manual has details on the restrictions on how you can configure the RAM on page 123.
4. What functions specifically?
5. Yes, if budget allows for it.
6. DFO = Dell Factory Outlet, i.e. refurbished systems
7. We're using Debian Linux.
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1. You should really read it, here: http://support.ap.dell.com/support/edocs/s.../pdf/hom_en.pdf
2. Bought it ourselves.
3. That's why you should read the manual. What you want to do isn't a supported config and your server probably won't boot. The manual has details on the restrictions on how you can configure the RAM on page 123.
4. What functions specifically?
5. Yes, if budget allows for it.
6. DFO = Dell Factory Outlet, i.e. refurbished systems
7. We're using Debian Linux.
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So i plug memory like this is ok right ?
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I'm curious that, possible to use SSD + SATA or not.
There not listed =___=
SSD must put at 1 slot follow by the rest.

This RAM can be used by server ?

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How come 8GB just RM300++, I'm doubt with it ....

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QUOTE(Dackson @ Jan 18 2012, 09:57 AM)
So i plug memory like this is ok right ?
» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «

I'm curious that, possible to use SSD + SATA or not.
There not listed =___=
SSD must put at 1 slot follow by the rest.

This RAM can be used by server ?

» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «

How come 8GB just RM300++, I'm doubt with it ....
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RAM placement does not matter IMO, as long as the system support it, some system has restriction of 4GB per rank.
SSD + SATA? You mean SSD + HDD? As long as it's configured properly, you can have any combination of SSD and/or HDD.
But if RAID must be between the same mechanic, i.e. SSD + SSD or HDD + HDD.

8GB DDR3 for RM300? Probably the non-ECC, for the buffered or ECC (server RAM) the price could be double or higher, you can't mix ECC with non-ECC RAM, it's most recommended to use ECC RAM for critical workstation and server, although the performance could be lower.

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So i plug memory like this is ok right ?
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Only the third config is supported. I'm not going to spoonfeed you why the first two aren't - you need to figure it out yourself from the manual. Read and understand it.
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RAM placement does not matter IMO, as long as the system support it, some system has restriction of 4GB per rank.
SSD + SATA? You mean SSD + HDD? As long as it's configured properly, you can have any combination of SSD and/or HDD.
But if RAID must be between the same mechanic, i.e. SSD + SSD or HDD + HDD.

8GB DDR3 for RM300? Probably the non-ECC, for the buffered or ECC (server RAM) the price could be double or higher, you can't mix ECC with non-ECC RAM, it's most recommended to use ECC RAM for critical workstation and server, although the performance could be lower.
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SSD + HDD
I google, it's ECC =___=. I direct contact Kingston Asia Pacific dealer, In Malaysia. One of three.
I doubt, I go oversea retailer. 1 8B need about RM800+ without promotion.
DRAM is

That Asia distributor said only can sold it to dealer not end-user. Dealer sell it double price.
University purchase is End-user ?

QUOTE(wKkaY @ Jan 18 2012, 11:02 AM)
Only the third config is supported. I'm not going to spoonfeed you why the first two aren't - you need to figure it out yourself from the manual. Read and understand it.
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eh~
The 1st two config, need to multiply by two for dual processor.
It should be
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Adv ECC is
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6x8GB better or 12x4GB ?

Honestly speaking, 3 channel really work faster than 2 channel ??

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QUOTE(Dackson @ Jan 18 2012, 11:38 AM)
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6x8GB better or 12x4GB ?

Honestly speaking, 3 channel really work faster than 2 channel ??
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thanks to wKkaY for helping, i'm starting to lose my patients.

Between 6x8GB better or 12x4GB ?

Both of them are gonna be 3 channels. why you're asking 2 channel.

Differences aren't big, go google. thanks.

i suggest you go create a thread on here.
https://forum.lowyat.net/TechnicalSupport
or here.
https://forum.lowyat.net/HardwareQuestions&Answers

Since what you're asking is slowly derailing this thread.
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Currently looking at the Crucial M4, but seems that Samsung 830 is also a viable option for non-sandforce ssds. Anyone here uses the 830? Would like to know the general reliability of it.
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QUOTE(Kclee2002 @ Jan 18 2012, 04:54 PM)
Currently looking at the Crucial M4, but seems that Samsung 830 is also a viable option for non-sandforce ssds. Anyone here uses the 830? Would like to know the general reliability of it.
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The 830 hasn't been out long enough to comment on reliability issues.
But judging from Samsung's history, their 470 series was about as reliable as Intel's.

They do place reliability above all else.
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Does format alone able to restore the SSD to its original performance?
Long or quick format?

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planning to get ocz vertex3 max iops ! u guys got better opinion ?
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Max IOPS is mostly marketing, very much like gaming RAM, and it is very unlikely that end-users will feel a difference between a Vertex 3 Max IOPS and a regular Vertex 3 - even more so once your honeymoon with your new SSD is over.

If you don't have an SSD, any decent SSD will make you swear off HDDs for your boot drive. If you already have an SSD, the only reason you should upgrade is to increase your storage capacity. Anything else and you're just burning money for the luxury; better to save a little to spend on a GPU upgrade or something else.
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QUOTE(everling @ Jan 20 2012, 12:11 PM)
Max IOPS is mostly marketing, very much like gaming RAM, and it is very unlikely that end-users will feel a difference between a Vertex 3 Max IOPS and a regular Vertex 3 - even more so once your honeymoon with your new SSD is over.

If you don't have an SSD, any decent SSD will make you swear off HDDs for your boot drive. If you already have an SSD, the only reason you should upgrade is to increase your storage capacity. Anything else and you're just burning money for the luxury; better to save a little to spend on a GPU upgrade or something else.
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im new in ssd ! tats mean jz get agility3 enuf ? already planning 7970 ! haha ! jz dunno whether 750w bronze psu enuf or not
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QUOTE(tskhang @ Jan 19 2012, 09:21 PM)
Does format alone able to restore the SSD to its original performance?
Long or quick format?
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It depends whether you are going to perform it on TRIM or non TRIM ssd,quick or long format does not restore your drive performance in long run but short term.
Download hpparm and run secure erase option,
http://hdparm.sourceforge.net/

You could test it on your own before and after secure erase to see whether your drive goes back to initial new condition with read/write speed.
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QUOTE(ah_fong @ Jan 20 2012, 07:28 PM)
im new in ssd ! tats mean jz get agility3 enuf ? already planning 7970 ! haha ! jz dunno whether 750w bronze psu enuf or not
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Yes, the Agility 3 will be enough for your situation.

Games are optimised to minimise the impact of slow HDDs as much as possible, so SSDs are unlikely to improve performance for some games. You are likely to see a bigger performance difference in your OS boot up, web browsing, virus scans and etc than you would in your games by changing to an SSD.
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Does the capacity affect the speed?
I have 1 Samsung 830 128GB on hand.
Don't know whether to keep it myself or sell it off.
Anandtech YouTube video review mentioned about speed differences between 128GB & 256GB.
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I planning to replace my current SATA HDD 2,5" (for laptop) and my friend suggest to buy SSD to replace it but my laptop is Acer Aspire 4930. My questions are:

1. Is my laptop able to use SSD ? since I need to buy the SSD casing that fit with my laptop character
2. How much is the current price for SSD ? because when I check on here, the price is almost same as 2,5" HDD

Thank You

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QUOTE(PandoraV @ Jan 20 2012, 08:08 PM)
It depends whether you are going to perform it on TRIM or non TRIM ssd,quick or long format does not restore your drive performance in long run but short term.
Download hpparm and run secure erase option,
http://hdparm.sourceforge.net/

You could test it on your own before and after secure erase to see whether your drive goes back to initial new condition with read/write speed.
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Meaning if you format a TRIM enabled SSD using Windows 7, it will restore back to its original performance?
I read somewhere that secure erase is used for non TRIM enabled SSD.
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QUOTE(tskhang @ Jan 20 2012, 09:34 PM)
Meaning if you format a TRIM enabled SSD using Windows 7, it will restore back to its original performance?
I read somewhere that secure erase is used for non TRIM enabled SSD.
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Format,or write all data to zero does not restore back to full performance,but improves drastically.
Yes,you could do it with start command prompt 'diskpart' and choose your ssd partition to proceed with in TRIM enabled ssd.But that's just a format and there's no guarantee whether you could restore back fully to initial performance.
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Is Kingston HyperX 120G good SSD? I heard SF chip is bad. any idea?
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QUOTE(Shufflerz @ Jan 20 2012, 08:19 PM)
Does the capacity affect the speed?
I have 1 Samsung 830 128GB on hand.
Don't know whether to keep it myself or sell it off.
Anandtech YouTube video review mentioned about speed differences between 128GB & 256GB.
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It isn't exactly the capacity that effects the performance, but the number of NAND chips. The more NAND chips you have, the better it can divide the data amongst them; it is very much like RAID-0. 256GB would naturally have more NAND chips than a 128GB SSD.

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Hi, wanna ask smile.gif

I planning to replace my current SATA HDD 2,5" (for laptop) and my friend suggest to buy SSD to replace it but my laptop is Acer Aspire 4930. My questions are:

1. Is my laptop able to use SSD ? since I need to buy the SSD casing that fit with my laptop character
2. How much is the current price for SSD ? because when I check on here, the price is almost same as 2,5" HDD

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1. I can't guarantee 100%, but it is very likely that your laptop will be able to handle an SSD. I had an old laptop with similar specs and it worked fine.
2. A lot of 120GB or 128GB SSDs are at the RM599 price point.

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Is Kingston HyperX 120G good SSD? I heard SF chip is bad. any idea?
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It seems that most of SF's problems have been fixed recently. Regardless, I feel that it is overpriced because you're not likely to be able to distinguish the performance difference for the given price premium.
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QUOTE(everling @ Jan 21 2012, 01:25 AM)

It seems that most of SF's problems have been fixed recently. Regardless, I feel that it is overpriced because you're not likely to be able to distinguish the performance difference for the given price premium.
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what SSD do you recommend then? I find that Kingston is the cheapest.
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what SSD do you recommend then? I find that Kingston is the cheapest.
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The Vertex 3 is cheaper and there are plenty of decent 120/128GB choices at the RM599 price point.
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which brand better ?
i want 240GB SSD
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QUOTE(AlphaBeta @ Jan 20 2012, 11:18 PM)
Is Kingston HyperX 120G good SSD? I heard SF chip is bad. any idea?
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is the matter of what u looking for =)
reliability -> intel(but recently also using Sandforce chip for new models)
world record in speed -> sandforce
mix of reliability and speed -> Crucial M4 ( homebrew chip + intel & crucial joint venture nand a.k.a asian fry rice)

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The Vertex 3 is cheaper and there are plenty of decent 120/128GB choices at the RM599 price point.
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Get M4 if u hav lubang to get it from US whistling.gif it cost me RM603

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which brand better ?
i want 240GB SSD
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its depend on what you looking for, speed or reliability? rolleyes.gif
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QUOTE(Mr.Lonely @ Jan 21 2012, 10:56 PM)
is the matter of what u looking for =)
reliability -> intel(but recently also using Sandforce chip for new models)
world record in speed -> sandforce
mix of reliability and speed -> Crucial M4 ( homebrew chip + intel & crucial joint venture nand a.k.a asian fry rice)
Get M4 if u hav lubang to get it from US  whistling.gif it cost me RM603
its depend on what you looking for, speed or reliability? rolleyes.gif
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Dnt know which local shop got sell it.
Amble distributor got stock in or not ?
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Dnt know which local shop got sell it.
Amble distributor got stock in or not ?
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idk =) i get from us
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It's not for personally use.
I was thinking should i swap my laptop hard drive to SSD. So, i can use that 500GB.
Alternative, i will get MyBook ..
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http://www.guru3d.com/article/ocz-revodrive-3-x2-review/1
This stuff nice ?
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QUOTE(Dackson @ Jan 22 2012, 02:26 PM)
http://www.guru3d.com/article/ocz-revodrive-3-x2-review/1
This stuff nice ?
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It is all in that article. It's nice if you don't mind plugging it in to your motherboard's PCI connector or the insane price.
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It is all in that article. It's nice if you don't mind plugging it in to your motherboard's PCI connector or the insane price.
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Got any different plug into PCiE ?
So far, I didnt use PCiE.
It's any RAID controller cheap but good ?
I probably will get a SSD for my laptop use ^.^
120GB need RM600++, i get a news date. After CNY, 30 Jan that RAM and HDD price will drop down ~
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Does the capacity affect the speed?
I have 1 Samsung 830 128GB on hand.
Don't know whether to keep it myself or sell it off.
Anandtech YouTube video review mentioned about speed differences between 128GB & 256GB.

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I don't know if this is good or not, let you all discuss.

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I don't know if this is good or not, let you all discuss.
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I checked on BootRacer ranking most of the top 10 got either M4 or 830.
And some of the top ranking only using i5.
Does mobo affect boot time?
What else I have to do other than follow the optimization guide?
Below is some details of my pc.
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QUOTE(Shufflerz @ Jan 25 2012, 10:00 AM)
I checked on BootRacer ranking most of the top 10 got either M4 or 830.
And some of the top ranking only using i5.
Does mobo affect boot time?
What else I have to do other than follow the optimization guide?
Below is some details of my pc.
- i7-2600k @ stock
- DP67BG
- 4GB value @ stock
- HD6950 @ stock
- FPS 500w (probably needa change, reason see below)
- 3 x 1TB Black
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in general intel's SATA3 is faster than 3rd party's SATA3 ie. marvel on R4E
mobo chipset does affect the performance. Z68/P67 is better than immature X79's C600

most important is update to the latest mobo chipset driver as well as Intel RST driver.
Other than these don't really give significant boost to the performance.
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QUOTE(owikh84 @ Jan 25 2012, 10:29 AM)
in general intel's SATA3 is faster than 3rd party's SATA3 ie. marvel on R4E
mobo chipset does affect the performance. Z68/P67 is better than immature X79's C600

most important is update to the latest mobo chipset driver as well as Intel RST driver.
Other than these don't really give significant boost to the performance.
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QUOTE(Shufflerz @ Jan 25 2012, 10:37 AM)
Already did all I can, its a fresh installed OS with latest drivers. shakehead.gif
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Another update on my working rig.

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QUOTE(Shufflerz @ Jan 25 2012, 11:15 AM)
Another update on my working rig.

Shufflerz | Liteon M2S MLC | 128GB | Single ACHI

Under performed cause only able to run on SATA II. sad.gif

ok lah..although 4K Q32 lost alot to my 320s G3 biggrin.gif

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Wanna ask I set ACHI through CMD, but my bios still at ATA.
Does that matter?
I also don't know why my bios will at ATA mode eh in the first place. shakehead.gif
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QUOTE(Shufflerz @ Jan 25 2012, 11:43 AM)
Wanna ask I set ACHI through CMD, but my bios still at ATA.
Does that matter?
I also don't know why my bios will at ATA mode eh in the first place. shakehead.gif
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Can u set SATA mode to ACHI in bios?
to enable TRIM support u must:
1) enable to ACHI in windows/OS, reboot and
2) enable ACHI in bios

http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...post&p=45511093

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Can u set SATA mode to ACHI in bios?
to enable TRIM support u must:
1) enable to ACHI in windows/OS, reboot and
2) enable ACHI in bios

http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...post&p=45511093
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Is there anyway to do without screwing up my current OS?
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If I set in bios I'm unable to boot into OS.
Is there anyway to do without screwing up my current OS?
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hmm... always do this step before setting ACHI in bios:

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hmm... always do this step before setting ACHI in bios:

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QUOTE(Shufflerz @ Jan 25 2012, 11:15 AM)
Another update on my working rig.

Shufflerz | Liteon M2S MLC | 128GB | Single AHCI
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your score still very high....i am using Corsair Force 3 120GB Sata 3 on Sata 2 port but only managed to get 167MB read and 100MB write. I got a few question want to ask expert here as below:

a) Will it because my mobo dont support ACHI so the speed is so slow?
b) Any effect by using it for dual OS booting? Using it with 3 partitions : OSX Lion 1| Lion 2| Win7
c) besides, TRIM is enabled inside Win 7. This partition is about 60GB. But inside OSX cant support TRIM. In this situation, TRIM is covered 60GB under Win 7 or is covered whole SSD?
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QUOTE(Shufflerz @ Jan 25 2012, 01:18 AM)
I don't know if this is good or not, let you all discuss.

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QUOTE(amenlo9 @ Jan 25 2012, 09:20 PM)
your score still very high....i am using Corsair Force 3 120GB Sata 3 on Sata 2 port but only managed to get 167MB read and 100MB write. I got a few question want to ask expert here as below:

a) Will it because my mobo dont support ACHI so the speed is so slow?
b) Any effect by using it for dual OS booting? Using it with 3 partitions : OSX Lion 1| Lion 2| Win7
c) besides, TRIM is enabled inside Win 7. This partition is about 60GB. But inside OSX cant support TRIM. In this situation, TRIM is covered 60GB under Win 7 or is covered whole SSD?
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For my SATA II score. smile.gif
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Have you guys heard of fancy cache? http://www.romexsoftware.com/en-us/fancy-cache/

You can cache all your date from your HD onto your SSD/ram-disk; kind of like the OCZ synapse.

Seems like all these caching programs and new hardware are going to be the next big thing.
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QUOTE(amenlo9 @ Jan 25 2012, 09:20 PM)
your score still very high....i am using Corsair Force 3 120GB Sata 3 on Sata 2 port but only managed to get 167MB read and 100MB write. I got a few question want to ask expert here as below:

a) Will it because my mobo dont support ACHI so the speed is so slow?
b) Any effect by using it for dual OS booting? Using it with 3 partitions : OSX Lion 1| Lion 2| Win7
c) besides, TRIM is enabled inside Win 7. This partition is about 60GB. But inside OSX cant support TRIM. In this situation, TRIM is covered 60GB under Win 7 or is covered whole SSD?
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As your force 3 will only run on ide mode not even sata 1 speed.Currently running force GT 90GB & 120GB on sata 2 board with 280MB read and 272MB write,that's the max speed a sata 2 ssd can get.TRIM is enable only when you set it on win 7(even without achi),not the entire ssd.

Ps:Ts,pls look for post #77(page 4) to be include in the list.
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Guys,would something like a Crucial M4 feel faster in real life situations compared to a Intel G2 ?
I was wondering whether the speed is noticeable or not since the M4 is about 2 times faster than the G2 in Crystaldiskmark

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QUOTE(Racerx @ Jan 26 2012, 10:37 AM)
Guys,would something like a Crucial M4 feel faster in real life situations compared to a Intel G2 ?
I was wondering whether the speed is noticeable or not since the M4 is about 2 times faster than the G2 in Crystaldiskmark

In fact raid0 M4 vs G2 would not make any difference at all.
All of them have less than 1 ms access time.
but buying these M4s is not a waste, coz i use it for competition like PCMark7 & won prizes biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(Shufflerz @ Jan 25 2012, 10:35 PM)
I have a Liteon too on post #132.
For my SATA II score. smile.gif
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QUOTE(PandoraV @ Jan 26 2012, 10:24 AM)
As your force 3 will only run on ide mode not even sata 1 speed.Currently running force GT 90GB & 120GB on sata 2 board with 280MB read and 272MB write,that's the max speed a sata 2 ssd can get.TRIM is enable only when you set it on win 7(even without achi),not the entire ssd.

Ps:Ts,pls look for post #77(page 4) to be include in the list.
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QUOTE(Racerx @ Jan 26 2012, 10:37 AM)
Guys,would something like a Crucial M4 feel faster in real life situations compared to a Intel G2 ?
I was wondering whether the speed is noticeable or not since the M4 is about 2 times faster than the G2 in Crystaldiskmark
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by right if using normally without breaking the benchmarks, G2 and M4 wont make any different as they r SSD and u will feel faster then conventional HDD
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QUOTE(PandoraV @ Jan 26 2012, 10:24 AM)
As your force 3 will only run on ide mode not even sata 1 speed.Currently running force GT 90GB & 120GB on sata 2 board with 280MB read and 272MB write,that's the max speed a sata 2 ssd can get.TRIM is enable only when you set it on win 7(even without achi),not the entire ssd.

Ps:Ts,pls look for post #77(page 4) to be include in the list.
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thanks for your info. mind to tell me why my SSD only running on IDE mode? is it because of motherboard limitation?

I am using budget mobo below:

http://www.gigabyte.com/products/product-p...spx?pid=3960#ov

Both hardisk seem like display as ATA device. but i do have SATA controller on my mobo
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QUOTE(amenlo9 @ Jan 26 2012, 03:22 PM)
thanks for your info. mind to tell me why my SSD only running on IDE mode? is it because of motherboard limitation?

I am using budget mobo below:

http://www.gigabyte.com/products/product-p...spx?pid=3960#ov
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Read post #137.
Your board has 4 x SATA 3Gb/s connectors supporting up to 4 SATA 3Gb/s devices .
After change in Windows and BIOS (AHCI),you must install Intel® Rapid Storage Manager (10.8.0.1003):
http://downloadmirror.intel.com/20710/eng/...10.8.0.1003.exe

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QUOTE(stasio @ Jan 26 2012, 04:08 PM)
Read post #137.
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yes i did all the tips about SSD and optimization. ACHI inside my WIndows 7 is on but no effect due to my mobo don't have ACHI features.
now just wonder why my SSD is running at ATA speed. hmm.gif
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QUOTE(amenlo9 @ Jan 26 2012, 03:22 PM)
thanks for your info. mind to tell me why my SSD only running on IDE mode? is it because of motherboard limitation?

I am using budget mobo below:

http://www.gigabyte.com/products/product-p...spx?pid=3960#ov


update your mobo chipset driver aka INF.
G41 mobo supports IDE only but won't be that far behind AHCI.
i'd say the mobo as well as the CPU are limiting the speed.

SSD in IDE vs AHCI

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Yeah,your mobo only IDE mode. sad.gif
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QUOTE(owikh84 @ Jan 26 2012, 04:17 PM)
update your mobo chipset driver aka INF.
G41 mobo supports IDE only but won't be that far behind AHCI.
i'd say the mobo as well as the CPU are limiting the speed.

SSD in IDE vs AHCI
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yup. updated to latest INF still the same..... rclxub.gif

at first i thought since it got SATA 2 port sure will have SATA's speed. din't know G41 only support IDE speed on SATA's port. kinda weird biggrin.gif

but still that the best new LGA775 mobo i can buy from the shop since no more mid-high range LGA775 mobo in production anymore.

still kinda waste under utilized so much more. sweat.gif sweat.gif

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http://www.ocztechnology.com/ocz-agility-3...ii-2-5-ssd.html

http://www.mushkin.com/Digital-Storage/SSD...SSDCR120GB.aspx


wanna ask which one perform better ?? reliability ? both price almost same !
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QUOTE(amenlo9 @ Jan 26 2012, 08:26 PM)
kinda still kinda waste under utilized so much more. sweat.gif  sweat.gif
It's ok. The SSD is still playing its role to be A LOT faster than any conventional HDD. Access/seek time under 1ms is more important & noticeable during apps loading.
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QUOTE(owikh84 @ Jan 27 2012, 09:04 AM)
It's ok. The SSD is still playing its role to be A LOT faster than any conventional HDD. Access/seek time under 1ms is more important & noticeable during apps loading.
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All this chasing for top performance seems quite unnecessary, because 90% of the performance difference that you can feel can be had with any SSD. It'll be an extremely rare occasion when you can feel the value of 500MB/s read/write.
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Houston, we have a problem.

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Here's the story.
I did a fresh OS install on THIS M17X in the SSD.
Once installed, without any setting, straight away I CrystalDiskMark and get this.
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After that I checked on bios and I realized it is on RAID mode instead of AHCI.
Immediately I changed it and did another fresh install.
And after installed all the drivers, I did the optimization thingy on 1st post, and this is what I get.
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Drop performance after optimized?
Enlighten me.
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QUOTE(Shufflerz @ Jan 27 2012, 01:46 PM)
Houston, we have a problem.

Shufflerz | Samsung 470 Series | 256GB

Here's the story.
I did a fresh OS install on THIS M17X in the SSD.
Once installed, without any setting, straight away I CrystalDiskMark and get this.

After that I checked on bios and I realized it is on RAID mode instead of AHCI.
Immediately I changed it and did another fresh install.
And after installed all the drivers, I did the optimization thingy on 1st post, and this is what I get.

Drop performance after optimized?
Enlighten me.
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The optimization steps sometimes can hurt the performance.
I'm not sure which step is the culprit may be u could sort it out one by one with restore point set or revert to default settings. hmm.gif

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QUOTE(owikh84 @ Jan 27 2012, 02:08 PM)
The optimization steps sometimes can hurt the performance.
I'm not sure which step is the culprit may be u could sort it out one by one with restore point set or revert to default settings. hmm.gif
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I don't have overwhelmed PC knowledge, so some settings I just blindly follow only.
What setting are you using?
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QUOTE(Shufflerz @ Jan 27 2012, 02:13 PM)
I don't have overwhelmed PC knowledge, so some settings I just blindly follow only.
What setting are you using?
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i followed exactly all the steps from the Optimization Guide; except for the pagefile in which i needed it for some games ie. Dirt3 etc...
then the SSD gives lower score than before optimization.

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i followed exactly all the steps from the Optimization Guide; except for the pagefile in which i needed it for some games ie. Dirt3 etc...
then the SSD gives lower score than before optimization.
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I did not turn off the write buffer thingy.
Because during 1st run with buffer off, the result is worse, get like 7;12 for 4k write. shakehead.gif
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ok realized that the score i posted earlier was on IDE mode.
the right side is on AHCI with optimization (except for restore point, write buffer, shutdown and pagefile tweaks)

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Need some opinion on ssd. Which one is a better choice between 2x intel 320 80gb ssd on raid0 or 1x intel 320 160gb ssd? I choose intel of the reliability.

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Need some opinion on ssd. Which one is a better choice between 2x intel 320 80gb ssd on raid0 or 1x intel 320 160gb ssd? I choose intel of the reliability.
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a question for u guys that i not so clear abt:

whenever i copy/paste few GB of files, my computer lags everytime i tried to open softwares/browsers/music players etc.
my pc spec is at my sig. Is it due to slow hdd? not enough ram? or CPU?
if its abt hdd, will i get performance boost if i add in an intel 320 ssd??

appreciate someone can help me.. thx
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My M4s finally arrived, although sadly I got taxed sad.gif

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My M4s finally arrived, although sadly I got taxed sad.gif
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QUOTE(Kclee2002 @ Jan 27 2012, 04:50 PM)
My M4s finally arrived, although sadly I got taxed sad.gif
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why got taxed bro? I ordered 4pcs tax-free.
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QUOTE(chaics85 @ Jan 27 2012, 04:48 PM)
a question for u guys that i not so clear abt:

whenever i copy/paste few GB of files, my computer lags everytime i tried to open softwares/browsers/music players etc.
my pc spec is at my sig. Is it due to slow hdd? not enough ram? or CPU?
if its abt hdd, will i get performance boost if i add in an intel 320 ssd??

appreciate someone can help me..  thx
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Yes, this is indeed because of your HDD. It will end up trying to copy your files and load your programs at the same time and your HDD's slow access time will then cause a severe performance loss. More RAM or a faster CPU will not help because the bottleneck is at the HDD. SSDs access times are roughly 100x faster than HDDs, so you may find it difficult to notice the lag or it won't bother you as much. You will definitely experience the difference if your OS and applications are on the SSD. Come and join us! thumbup.gif
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QUOTE(owikh84 @ Jan 27 2012, 06:03 PM)
why got taxed bro? I ordered 4pcs tax-free.
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As his purchase is more than RMX00 and he's from KL,not surprise caught by customs.
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QUOTE(PandoraV @ Jan 27 2012, 08:28 PM)
As his purchase is more than RMX00 and he's from KL,not surprise caught by customs.
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The most important thing is how the shipper declared the item. By right ssd is not supposed to be taxed. It is on the kastam database under computer storage category


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QUOTE(Kclee2002 @ Jan 27 2012, 04:50 PM)
My M4s finally arrived, although sadly I got taxed sad.gif

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Whats the difference between the intel 320 120gb and 160gb beside the capacity?
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Whats the difference between the intel 320 120gb and 160gb beside the capacity?
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need ur experience + opinion for this ssd.. tq .. smile.gif
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wanna ask... is it SSD Crucial m4 is da best ssd rite now??

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One of best value for $$$ SSD now biggrin.gif
Best SSD is subjective and that is subjected to user need/want and budget
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look at all the post, many forumer using M4..

what type of user is suitable for ssd m4? gaming? or others?
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wanna ask... is it SSD Crucial m4 is da best ssd rite now??
need ur experience + opinion for this ssd.. tq .. smile.gif
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No doubt Crucial M4 is currently the best SSD in terms of performance/price, good support, low return rate.
Intel 510s falls at the same performance bad too pricey, despite having good reliability.
another rival is the Samsung 830s, which is still new to the market.
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QUOTE(tskhang @ Jan 27 2012, 09:16 PM)
The most important thing is how the shipper declared the item. By right ssd is not supposed to be taxed. It is on the kastam database under computer storage category
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It is wrong to declare it under value,they will follow the rules strictly with no exception.I'm pretty sure that pc components including ssd is taxable,even books and clothing as well.And the duty imposed ranging from 5% to 15%
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QUOTE(owikh84 @ Jan 27 2012, 06:03 PM)
why got taxed bro? I ordered 4pcs tax-free.
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Initially the computer generated tax-slip was 0% tax, but they made some amendments manually, and suddenly added 10% sales tax shakehead.gif shakehead.gif
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QUOTE(raiKKo @ Jan 27 2012, 11:39 PM)
look at all the post, many forumer using M4..

what type of user is suitable for ssd m4? gaming? or others?
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I wonder they all bought it from oversea since no crucial distro here. blink.gif
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QUOTE(Kclee2002 @ Jan 28 2012, 12:40 AM)
Initially the computer generated tax-slip was 0% tax, but they made some amendments manually, and suddenly added 10% sales tax  shakehead.gif  shakehead.gif
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Sales tax is most probably due to u bought more than 1 of the same item? Sorry to hear that dude
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Which online sites best to get this crucial m4 from? Amazon? Newegg? Etc? I got a friend going to LA for 2 weeks.
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Which online sites best to get this crucial m4 from? Amazon? Newegg? Etc? I got a friend going to LA for 2 weeks.
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If you chose to RMA with these etailers, pls refer to newegg vs amazon
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This seller claims to have local warranty for Crucial M4 though:
http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...6393&hl=crucial
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QUOTE(PandoraV @ Jan 28 2012, 12:30 AM)
It is wrong to declare it under value,they will follow the rules strictly with no exception.I'm pretty sure that pc components including ssd is taxable,even books and clothing as well.And the duty imposed ranging from 5% to 15%
SSDs being computer components memang tax free.

When I got my 128GB and 64GB M4 SSDs last year, I bought some Compact Flash cards as well. They only taxed me on the CF cards. I did not argue and paid as they were correct. So confirm there should be NO TAX on computer parts.
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QUOTE(lingloong @ Jan 28 2012, 12:57 PM)
My Intel 320 Series 120GB just died on my in my lappy today. My first brand/model of SSD to died in my hand  sad.gif

Using OCZ & Mushkin on other rig, still kicking fine  laugh.gif
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how the ssd die?? =( feel sad to hear tat
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QUOTE(Lurker @ Jan 28 2012, 02:43 AM)
Which online sites best to get this crucial m4 from? Amazon? Newegg? Etc? I got a friend going to LA for 2 weeks.
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amazon easier..RMA wise also easier,i can return items i dun want and get quick refund also..

last time bought 3 unit M4 also no tax..but must use DHL thumbup.gif
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How to check if buy n ship to LA would inccur any sales tax?
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Initially the computer generated tax-slip was 0% tax, but they made some amendments manually, and suddenly added 10% sales tax  shakehead.gif  shakehead.gif
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How was the item declared on the airway bill, and is there any U.S harmonized code?

From which retailer did you buy the SSD from?
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QUOTE(jchue73 @ Jan 28 2012, 12:56 PM)
SSDs being computer components memang tax free.

When I got my 128GB and 64GB M4 SSDs last year, I bought some Compact Flash cards as well. They only taxed me on the CF cards. I did not argue and paid as they were correct. So confirm there should be NO TAX on computer parts.
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Will forever hate the customs. I think they taxed me wrongly, but I'm not sure how to fight the case since I already paid for it >_>

This was listed in their tarriffs

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My god, kastams self declared it as a part of sound recorders.

If you refer to this, this person's SATA card was declared as under sound recorders as well.
http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...post&p=46238897

Does it mean that all IT stuffs will be declared as sound recorders which are taxable when they reach our KASTAM?
Really unbelievable. shakehead.gif
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I think they interpreted the word "Flash" for flash memory cards. You should challenge them on this.
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hmm when UPS called me what's the content inside the parcel i just told them it's solid state drive, something like hard disk to use for pc so got away from tax.

like everling said, they might be wrong declaring your SSD as flash mem card. nowadays customs silently added in new taxable items into tariff. update from time to time that's why their tax collection amount is increased year by year. smile.gif

i also hate customs officers sometimes they seem to be so cocky. damn my uncle sir Owi is now at LCCT as the senior asst director. Otherwise he will still be here to gimme a hand sad.gif
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want to buy a second budget SSD for another OS. Looking for 60GB Sata 2 with price under RM300. does Kingston v100 64GB a good choice?

Not the fastest drive around, but at great value.
WEI score of 6.9. A little lower than other SSDs.
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What shops in KL stock the 300GB Intel 320?
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Seems like only Viewnet has them on their price lists. No idea if they have local stock however.
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Not the fastest drive around, but at great value.
WEI score of 6.9. A little lower than other SSDs.
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no need fastest since my mobo cant go so fast. rclxms.gif ......as long as can get back 170mb/100mb speed of my Force 3 already happy tongue.gif

is it reliable? any other SSD recommended around that price range?

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no need fastest since my mobo cant go so fast. rclxms.gif ......as long as can get back 170mb/100mb speed of my Force 3 already happy  tongue.gif

is it reliable? any other SSD recommended around that price range?
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QUOTE(amenlo9 @ Jan 31 2012, 02:23 PM)
no need fastest since my mobo cant go so fast. rclxms.gif ......as long as can get back 170mb/100mb speed of my Force 3 already happy  tongue.gif

is it reliable? any other SSD recommended around that price range?
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Comparable to those SF based SSDs biggrin.gif
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very nice! although the write 4K score is still behind M4
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owikh84 bro,

How you manage to get such high 4K writes? Benchmarks on the internet on this drive mostly showing a range of around 80MB/s.
What version of Intel RST are you using? Alignment?
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owikh84 bro,

How you manage to get such high 4K writes? Benchmarks on the internet on this drive mostly showing a range of around 80MB/s.
What version of Intel RST are you using? Alignment?
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Actually this single M4 benchmark result is grabbed from google. Cant recall which RST version for my raid0 but confirmed it's the latest one as of Sep 2011.

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hello everyone.. i'm thinking of getting a 80-120GB SSD with good reliability and balanced performance...

any recommendation?

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Actually this single M4 benchmark result is grabbed from google. Cant recall which RST version for my raid0 but confirmed it's the latest one as of Sep 2011.

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My 4k writes are insanely low compared to the chart, any way to increase 4k writes? Or is it due to me using P67 chipset? =\

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My 4k writes are insanely low compared to the chart, any way to increase 4k writes? Or is it due to me using P67 chipset? =\
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FW0309 installed, the only thing i didnt do was the Intel RST installation(F6) while installing Windows, I only installed RST after Windows installation was completed. Am I doing it wrong?

EDIT: 4K writes significantly jumped after enabling Write-Back cache on Intel RST app.

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FW0309 installed, the only thing i didnt do was the Intel RST installation(F6) while installing Windows, I only installed RST after Windows installation was completed. Am I doing it wrong?

EDIT: 4K writes significantly jumped after enabling Write-Back cache on Intel RST app.

congratz that's a great score thumbup.gif
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Personally, I would go for Samsung 830 or Crucial M4. They have better read performance , and seems to be more reliable than Sandforce SSD.
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Personally, I would go for Samsung 830 or Crucial M4. They have better read performance , and seems to be more reliable than Sandforce SSD.
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Also found M4 there at 110 usd but for shipping need to pay 30+ usd.
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Amazon US. I just bought the 64gb from there for 142 usd, shipping included. Most stores there don't ship to MY, but I found one called MemoryC who ship to MY for only 12 usd.
Also found M4 there at 110 usd but for shipping need to pay 30+ usd.
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ok~ now i hv install window7 64bit on this ssd~
but is kind of SLOW when booting~
anyone know y???
corsair force3 64GB
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Try post Crystal Mark score and see for the 830.
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I just ordered it 2 days ago, will only arrive after 2-3 weeks. Try google it, I think Anandtech or Tomshardware did some benchmarks for it. Also my MB is SATA2, so scores should be lower.

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I just ordered it 2 days ago, will only arrive after 2-3 weeks. Try google it, I think Anandtech or Tomshardware did some benchmarks for it. Also my MB is SATA2, so scores should be lower.
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This retailer ships international.
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ok~ now i hv install window7 64bit on this ssd~
but is kind of SLOW when booting~
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Will be getting 2 Corsair Force GT 120GB and going RAID 0 on it replacing my HDD RAID 0 since I have been using a lot of Photoshop and Pinnacle on it.
My configuration will be:-
1. OS - 2 SSD RAID 0
2. 1 TB WD Caviar Green 64MB (another 1 TB will be given to my kids Llano PC) since the price of HDD still high
3. 2TB Element USB 2 (Really slow after I tried the the USB 3 external HDD
I have a conflicting issue whether to Image my OS from the previous RAID 0 HDD to the new RAID 0 SSD. Will there be any conflicting issues?. Plus I'm replacing my MOBO to Sabertooth 990FX from 870 AMD Chipset. Plus I will be losing TRIM on SSD RAID 0. Any advice? Most of the time I will be multitasking using Photoshop, Lightroom and Pinnacle at the same time. Thanxs
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ok~ now i hv install window7 64bit on this ssd~
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QUOTE(1qaz1qaz @ Feb 3 2012, 08:28 PM)
ok~ now i hv install window7 64bit on this ssd~
but is kind of SLOW when booting~
anyone know y???
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how many seconds/minutes recorded by Boot Timer?
how about access time recorded by AS SSD?
set SATA mode to AHCI already?
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how many seconds/minutes recorded by Boot Timer?
how about access time recorded by AS SSD?
set SATA mode to AHCI already?
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boot timer > 8.860 second~ but after the mobo screen it will be black for 10 second b4 the window welcome screen
Benchmark >
but after i change to AHCI it bcum faster abit~

Added on February 4, 2012, 2:12 pmis my Benchmark normal???

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boot timer > 8.860 second~ but after the mobo screen it will be black for 10 second b4 the window welcome screen
Benchmark >
but after i change to AHCI it bcum faster abit~

Added on February 4, 2012, 2:12 pmis my Benchmark  normal???
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what about bootracer?
your benchmark is fine, as your SSD specs is based on ATTO

Also try installing the AHCI driver again from your driver CD.

read THIS


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what about bootracer?
your benchmark is fine, as your SSD specs is based on ATTO

Also try installing the AHCI driver again from your driver CD.

read THIS
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here is the software u gv~
but my benchmark is quit un-normal rite?? hmm.gif
i thought corsair f3 is faster??

Added on February 4, 2012, 5:07 pmhow about this 1??

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here is the software u gv~
but my benchmark is quit un-normal rite?? hmm.gif
i thought corsair f3 is faster??
Added on February 4, 2012, 5:07 pmhow about this 1??

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this 1??

your bootracer & ATTO looks fine.
usually boot time takes longer when windows is initializing one of your hardware. ie. sound card, slow HDD etc.
try remove your HDD & just boot with the SSD alone.
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your bootracer & ATTO looks fine.
usually boot time takes longer when windows is initializing one of your hardware. ie. sound card, slow HDD etc.
try remove your HDD & just boot with the SSD alone.
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this mean can boot into it rite?
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A-Data S510 or S511?
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A-Data S510 or S511?
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I dnt know which one. Got problem ? I saw it at PC expo.
THinking to buy since i can not found any WD Mybook ><

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my X25-M with RST driver  shocking.gif  shocking.gif  shocking.gif

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I dnt know which one. Got problem ? I saw it at PC expo.
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If S511 is cheap, S510 not cheap.
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In core2duo, the read mostly stick to 200mb/s++.
It's worth to buy 120GB RM580 for Adata ??
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Hi,

I'm looking at getting an SSD to replace my current HDD. I have a SATA II and after some research come to a conclusion to get Intel 320 120GB.

From my reading it seems that some ppl are facing issues with the SF based SSD giving BSOD and that the amount spend for any SATA III enabled SSD (for future proof sake) simply too much.

- Anyone has any other suggestion other then the Intel 320 SSD?
- Where is the best shop/person can I get it from?
- I notice there is several version of this. OEM and K5 stepping which is listed as reseller edition. Which should I be looking for? Warranty difference I believe correct?
- What is the current estimate price of the Intel 320 120GB rite now?

TQ
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Oh~ Thx.
In core2duo, the read mostly stick to 200mb/s++.
It's worth to buy 120GB RM580 for Adata ??
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You can get Intel 320 serise enrough, unless you 1 to upgrade your pc.
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QUOTE(owikh84 @ Feb 4 2012, 08:28 PM)
your bootracer & ATTO looks fine.
usually boot time takes longer when windows is initializing one of your hardware. ie. sound card, slow HDD etc.
try remove your HDD & just boot with the SSD alone.
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hey bro~
b4 i change to ssd~ my pc run into this~
but now i change to ssd ady~ my pc still hv the same problem~ do u know why??
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yes can get 320 series otherwise just upgrade to latest
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hey bro~
b4 i change to ssd~ my pc run into this~
but now i change to ssd ady~ my pc still hv the same problem~ do u know why??
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i don't know why bro without seeing it with my own eyes laugh.gif
could be you got too many startup stuffs loaded or slow mobo bios
swap to other SATA port
make sure device managers doesn't show any exclamation marks means all hardware have driver installed.
lastly get a another mobo to try.
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i don't know why bro without seeing it with my own eyes  laugh.gif
could be you got too many startup stuffs loaded or slow mobo bios
swap to other SATA port
make sure device managers doesn't show any exclamation marks means all hardware have driver installed.
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haha my Crucial M4 finally reached me today!
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this is my test results can any1 tell me izzit good or bad? brows.gif
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dunno lorh.
thinking to change to other brand cry.gif
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ohh mind to tell whats the problem? firmware issue? nand issue ? or power failure?
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the LED is still on but cannot boot aka cannot detect

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just finished upgrade firmware and chipset driver and RST but still cant achieve ur results

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ur M4 77GB why
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Here is benchmark result from my Intel 320 Series 80GB:
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what is the best budget ssd for sata 2 mobo? and is there any pci-e ones?
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but malaysia doesnt have that?
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Not sure about the distri here, you can try PM linglong see whether he still sell them or not.

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Intel SSD 520 Review
It's a 2nd gen Sandforce based drive that costs higher than other Sandforce based drives but should be more reliable.
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btw no matter how i try i cant get the results he posted
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M4 SSD is very good
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intel 520 ssd
crucial m4
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samsung 830
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120gb range
which 1 is teh bestest?
ignore corsair coz my f60 just died, lazy sent for rma yet

and wat is higher IOPS actually for?

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yeah,same question.where can get ^samsung 830 in msia?or lyn?
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Hi SSD gurus,

My Intel SSD just died on me while I was copying 50GB data onto it from an external HDD. It just BSODed, rebooted and I was presented with "Operating System Not Found" error msg. I have Win7 installed on it and have been using it for 6 months.

I unplugged all attached external drives and tried another reboot with no luck. I have also used MiniXP and nimbleX to try accessing my data but both could not detect my drive although it is still detected in the BIOS.

I then proceeded to remove the SSD and plug it to another PC via external USB. When I checked under Disk Management, it says that my SSD drive is not initialized.

Has anyone experienced this problem before and how can I recover my data?
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Intel's 520 Series solid-state drive - A new muse for Intel's 25-nm NAND

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The Intel 510 Series uses older 34-nm NAND, so it's long overdue for a transition to cheaper, faster, 25-nm flash. Rather than sticking with the Marvell controller, Intel dumped it for a new muse: SandForce's SF-2281, which you'll recognize from SSDs like the OCZ Vertex 3, Corsair Force Series GT, Kingston HyperX, and a stack of others. The SandForce controller has been widely praised for its performance, but much of its early life was tarnished by a pesky BSOD bug.

Intel took its time with the controller, which is why Cherryville, otherwise known as the 520 Series SSD, is hitting the market long after rival drive makers released similar offerings. With only the finest Intel NAND and exclusive firmware improvements, this latest entry into the high-end SSD market promises better performance than existing SandForce implementations and solid reliability that Intel is backing up with a five-year warranty. Is this the SandForce SSD you've been waiting for? Let's take a closer look to find out.

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Anandtech recommends Samsung 830...

But why no one is selling in Malaysia?
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if wan buy samsung 830 maybe can try buy from english gmarket
but i dunno how about the warranty for oversea

anyway 830 good? compared to m4 or intel 520?
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but i dunno how about the warranty for oversea
anyway 830 good? compared to m4 or intel 520?
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M4 has slightly better performance than 830, great after sales service & support; but lack of accessories & software

830 comes with lots of accessories, 7mm-to-9mm spacer, software that lets you update firmware and clone drives and stuff, free Norton Ghost; slightly more expensive than M4

520 is SF so good luck with BSOD. laugh.gif

In my opinion 830 is a better buy than the M4.
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120GB choices:
intel 520 ~ 270k korean won ~ RM720
samsung 830 ~ 235k ~ RM 635
crucial m4 ~ 240k ~ RM640
vertex3 ~ 240k ~ RM640

I am having hard time to choose... while my f60 is dead... i already format my windows in HDD, so SSD is not a MUST but is now a LUST

another question:
why the catalog of vertex3, intel 520 show max ~ 550/500 r/w speed, while m4 and samsung 830 only show ~ 500/300 r/w speed
then most reviews says these 4 are actually just on par, almost same performance
THEN why they wan to put 550/500 and 500/300 while they are almost same actually?

source:
http://blog.danawa.com/prod/?prod_c=159166...te_c4=&keyword=
http://blog.danawa.com/prod/?prod_c=139949...te_c4=&keyword=
http://blog.danawa.com/prod/?prod_c=151247...te_c4=&keyword=
http://blog.danawa.com/prod/?prod_c=134576...te_c4=&keyword=

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hmm besides slower R/W speeds, any downside of using SATA3 ssd in a SATA2 slot?

i'm planning to get my second corsair force3 120GB for my sata2 lappie since pricing of sata3 & sata2 ssd is quite similar

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QUOTE(fr0sti3 @ Feb 7 2012, 10:52 PM)
hmm besides slower R/W speeds, any downside of using SATA3 ssd in a SATA2 slot?

i'm planning to get my second corsair force3 120GB for my sata2 lappie since pricing of sata3 & sata2 ssd is quite similar

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If the pricing is quite similar, then there is no real downside.
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QUOTE(881118 @ Feb 7 2012, 05:05 PM)
120GB choices:
intel 520 ~ 270k korean won ~ RM720
samsung 830 ~ 235k ~ RM 635
crucial m4 ~ 240k ~ RM640
vertex3 ~ 240k ~ RM640

I am having hard time to choose... while my f60 is dead... i already format my windows in HDD, so SSD is not a MUST but is now a LUST

another question:
why the catalog of vertex3, intel 520 show max ~ 550/500 r/w speed, while m4 and samsung 830 only show ~ 500/300 r/w speed
then most reviews says these 4 are actually just on par, almost same performance
THEN why they wan to put 550/500 and 500/300 while they are almost same actually?

source:
http://blog.danawa.com/prod/?prod_c=159166...te_c4=&keyword=
http://blog.danawa.com/prod/?prod_c=139949...te_c4=&keyword=
http://blog.danawa.com/prod/?prod_c=151247...te_c4=&keyword=
http://blog.danawa.com/prod/?prod_c=134576...te_c4=&keyword=
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The very normal example of marketting hype and tactics.
Just simply basing an SSD performance on read/write speeds is honestly, one of the worst ways to compare performances.

There are alot of other variables.
The Vertex 3 and Intel 520 are SF-based drives, obviously under incompressible data they're faster.
When it comes to compressed data, you'd see they drop more than half of their advertised speed, where as the Marvell based or Samsung's own controllers doesn't change its performance much (if at all, really in real-world situations I'd be surprised you can notice it).

Do more research on SSDs.
They're just like CPUs in-terms of marketing "the more the better" doesn't mean it really is faster.



QUOTE(fr0sti3 @ Feb 7 2012, 10:52 PM)
hmm besides slower R/W speeds, any downside of using SATA3 ssd in a SATA2 slot?

i'm planning to get my second corsair force3 120GB for my sata2 lappie since pricing of sata3 & sata2 ssd is quite similar

thanks for your time smile.gif
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Read this: http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/sata-6...3gbps,3110.html

Summary:
It doesn't matter if you slot a SATAIII SSD into a SATAII only port, you'll lose performance but it isn't enough to sway you away because a SATA2 and SATA3 SSD price deficit is rather minimal these days.
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The very normal example of marketting hype and tactics.
Just simply basing an SSD performance on read/write speeds is honestly, one of the worst ways to compare performances.

There are alot of other variables.
The Vertex 3 and Intel 520 are SF-based drives, obviously under incompressible data they're faster.
When it comes to compressed data, you'd see they drop more than half of their advertised speed, where as the Marvell based or Samsung's own controllers doesn't change its performance much (if at all, really in real-world situations I'd be surprised you can notice it).

Do more research on SSDs.
They're just like CPUs in-terms of marketing "the more the better" doesn't mean it really is faster.
no time to research due to project deadline =(
tats y i come here to ask

from wat u explained
SF based drives is fast for incompressible data and normal for compressed data
while Marvell based drives is normal for both data

so still SF based is better?
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you dont just look at what controller they have(indilinx,sandforce,marvel,etc2..),but also what type of NAND do they combine it with for example toggle,synchronous,asynchronous..a lot of reading if really wnat to know what kind of ssd is the best.i'm no pro myself as i'm still learning bout this ssd technology.
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Initially I was interested on the Intel 520, but after reading further, it still doesn't solve the irrecoverable performance issue. So do you need to perform a secure erase to restore it to it's original performance? As with the current intel x-25m, it does restore to original performance after you perform a full format.
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Yeah, just finished imaging my RAID 0 SSD from my previous RAID 0 HDD. Got Windows Experience for Data Transfer 7.9. Gonna do some benchmark and some optimization from Sean's Windows 7 Install Guide & Optimization for SSDs/HDDs. Put me on the Owner List for Corsair Force GT 120GB X 2 RAID 0.

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QUOTE(fr0sti3 @ Feb 7 2012, 10:52 PM)
hmm besides slower R/W speeds, any downside of using SATA3 ssd in a SATA2 slot?

i'm planning to get my second corsair force3 120GB for my sata2 lappie since pricing of sata3 & sata2 ssd is quite similar

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I pick a SATA 3 SSD if I have a SATA 2 controller just because it's a newer drive with newer tech.
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QUOTE(881118 @ Feb 8 2012, 01:45 AM)
no time to research due to project deadline =(
tats y i come here to ask

from wat u explained
SF based drives is fast for incompressible data and normal for compressed data
while Marvell based drives is normal for both data

so still SF based is better?
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I wouldn't say SF based drives are the best?
They're the fastest, that's a given... but honestly, I'd still take the Samsung 830 for a more balanced performance throughout all kinds of different scenarios, eventhough it isn't as fast.

If you want the absolute fastest, SF drives.. atleast for now, is still the fastest.
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QUOTE(SSJBen @ Feb 8 2012, 02:11 PM)
I wouldn't say SF based drives are the best?
They're the fastest, that's a given... but honestly, I'd still take the Samsung 830 for a more balanced performance throughout all kinds of different scenarios, eventhough it isn't as fast.

If you want the absolute fastest, SF drives.. atleast for now, is still the fastest.
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personally not very confident in samsung ssd =x
their hw is great but their sw sucks, especially in providing firmware update (smartphone)

anyway
why mushkin chronos 240gb is much cheaper than others 240-256gb range ssd?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...N82E16820226237
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QUOTE(881118 @ Feb 8 2012, 02:37 PM)
personally not very confident in samsung ssd =x
their hw is great but their sw sucks, especially in providing firmware update (smartphone)

anyway
why mushkin chronos 240gb is much cheaper than others 240-256gb range ssd?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...N82E16820226237
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The software has been absolutely fine to me.
You can always manually update the firmware if you hate their firmware utility.

If that's your qualm and it is such a deal breaker for you, get a Crucial M4 then.
They perform similarly to the Samsung 830, trading blows and even somtimes outpacing the 830 too.

Mushkin has always old its stuff cheap in the US.
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The software has been absolutely fine to me.
You can always manually update the firmware if you hate their firmware utility.
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The SSD.
We're on a SSD thread aren't we? tongue.gif
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Mind to show? I'm having problem updating my 830.

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Mind to show? I'm having problem updating my 830.
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LOL tis sucks man
what is the problem actually?
is it ur fault or samsung fault?
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LOL tis sucks man
what is the problem actually?
is it ur fault or samsung fault?
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I've done a bit of Google.
People over Dell forum discussed that maybe its an OEM product that's why Samsung SSD Magician unable to detect it as an actualy Samsung product.
I'm not sure how big will improve for firmware update, but since I cannot do anything, I'm cool with current firmware, and its performance.
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QUOTE(Shufflerz @ Feb 9 2012, 11:09 AM)
I've done a bit of Google.
People over Dell forum discussed that maybe its an OEM product that's why Samsung SSD Magician unable to detect it as an actualy Samsung product.
I'm not sure how big will improve for firmware update, but since I cannot do anything, I'm cool with current firmware, and its performance.
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i dont know much about SSD but i think firmware update is very important to SSD
if the current release of firmware wont giv much performance boost, what about the next, next next update?
ur problem must be fix asap, hopefully samsung wont treat it like treating their smartphone firmware
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Damn. Its quite hard to find Intel 320 SSD at good price.. the price diff from shop to shop is so much...
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QUOTE(Shufflerz @ Feb 9 2012, 12:35 AM)
Mind to show? I'm having problem updating my 830.
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I've done a bit of Google.
People over Dell forum discussed that maybe its an OEM product that's why Samsung SSD Magician unable to detect it as an actualy Samsung product.
I'm not sure how big will improve for firmware update, but since I cannot do anything, I'm cool with current firmware, and its performance.
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Usually you can just download the firmware, then place it onto a USB drive and then flash the SSD through BIOS.
But now... uhm, it seems the software can't detect your SSD at all? hmm.gif
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Afaik this will happen after a firmware update. Most prolly need a special firmware from Intel to clear off the SMART Attributes, which is not possible for end users unless RMA.

Could you install OS on it & is there any error msg poped up during operation? What abt running Intel SSD Toolbox Fast Diagnostics scan & Full Diagnostics?



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QUOTE(owikh84 @ Feb 9 2012, 03:35 PM)
Afaik this will happen after a firmware update. Most prolly need a special firmware from Intel to clear off the SMART Attributes, which is not possible for end users unless RMA.

Could you install OS on it & is there any error msg poped up during operation? What abt running Intel SSD Toolbox Fast Diagnostics scan & Full Diagnostics?
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Newbie here. Seek for advice to buy Intel 320 40GB or OCZ Agility 3 60GB. Budget very tight :(
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QUOTE(Foo Mun @ Feb 10 2012, 05:14 PM)
Newbie here. Seek for advice to buy Intel 320 40GB or OCZ Agility 3 60GB. Budget very tight sad.gif
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40GB is really only going to suffice for Windows 7 install on the SSD and nothing else.
Don't forget you need to have space for updates too... and the fact that you need to save 3-5GB of space for the SSD to perform at its best, it's just too tight.

Go for a 60GB Agility 3 or Corsair Force 3 instead.
Both are the same price.
Or if you can pony up an extra RM100, the Intel 320 80GB is a pretty nifty choice.
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I think Intel SSD have less problem right? Others brand like always seen other people complain about BSOD...
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I think Intel SSD have less problem right? Others brand like always seen other people complain about BSOD...
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It does have less problems.

If your budget is really tight, I'd suggest buying Kingston V 100 64GB. I think you would get 64GB (59.6GiB) of actual capacity while the other SSDs will give you much less. While it may be slower than either Intel or the others, you will still feel the difference between an SSD and a HDD, and we also haven't heard of any problems with Kingston.
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QUOTE(ralyon @ Feb 3 2012, 05:48 PM)

Amazon US. I just bought the 64gb from there for 142 usd, shipping included. Most stores there don't ship to MY, but I found one called MemoryC who ship to MY for only 12 usd.
Also found M4 there at 110 usd but for shipping need to pay 30+ usd.
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Confident in the enhanced reliability features of its recently introduced third-generation solid-state drive (SSD), Intel announced it has extended its limited warranty for the Intel® SSD 320 Series from three years to five years. The extended warranty term will apply to all Intel SSD 320 Series drives, including those already purchased. Additional limitations apply to enterprise usage levels. See full warranty details.


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I sell 240GB Kingston HyperX SSD due to underutilized the space and downgrade to 120GB Corsair Force 3. Here's the image and test result

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I sell 240GB Kingston HyperX SSD due to underutilized the space and downgrade to 120GB Corsair Force 3. Here's the image and test result

120GB enuf ka? my 128GB x2 is about to fully utilize.

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I think it's about time to upgrade asap. WTS later laugh.gif

btw, for those who's interested to grab M4 128GB. bhphoto is now offering each for USD$157+50 ship ~ RM627

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I think it's about time to upgrade asap. WTS later  laugh.gif

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Guys , does OCZ AGILITY 3 SATA III 60Gb is a good model? Its for my acer 5750G . What do u guys thinks ? and also what is current market price for this model smile.gif


This laptop does support SATA III nod.gif
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120GB enuf ka? my 128GB x2 is about to fully utilize.
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QUOTE(soundsyst64 @ Feb 12 2012, 06:51 AM)
I don't gaming much though. Just few graphics program + few games + other programs are good enuff for me. biggrin.gif
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Guys , does OCZ AGILITY 3 SATA III 60Gb is a good model? Its for my acer 5750G . What do u guys thinks ? and also what is current market price for this model smile.gif
This laptop does support SATA III nod.gif
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I am using Kingston 64GB for my tablet PC (uses SATA 1) and its good. But 60GB might be limited , so you may need to use external storage unless you plan to solely use for business purpose like what I am currently doing

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I am using Kingston 64GB for my tablet PC (uses SATA 1) and its good. But 60GB might be limited , so you may need to use external storage unless you plan to solely use for business purpose like what I am currently doing
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I think i will stick with the same brand, either M4 256GB x2 or 512GB.
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Anyhow , any comment on this product ?

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Anyhow , any comment on this product ?

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As all OCZ drives, simply because they're the most popular... that means alot of failures.
But that was before the BSOD bug was fixed.

Otherwise for an Asynchronous SSD, it's pretty okay.
Fast and cheap. The other widely available alternative is Corsair's Force 3.

If you can however, get a Crucial M4 64GB.
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i was thinking of getting pcie based drives instead of sata

i think i saw a revodrive 3 x2 in viewnet .. 240GB .. the quoted price was 2.4K

any benefits over sata?

or get 2 vertex 3 in raid 0?

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QUOTE(jinaun @ Feb 13 2012, 08:08 AM)
i was thinking of getting pcie based drives instead of sata

i think i saw a revodrive 3 x2 in viewnet .. 240GB .. the quoted price was 2.4K

any benefits over sata?

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But a relative strength in all of those benchmarks doesn't necessarily translate into a positive gain in user experience. Does an extra 25% jump in testable data throughput cut your Windows boot time or make backing up a game on Steam faster by a corresponding percentage? Does it even directly translate into file copies that finish that much faster? Not at all.

So, here's the thing. Yes, there are clear cases, particularly if you're a power user, where owning a motherboard with 6 Gb/s is going to allow your 6 Gb/s-capable SSD to shine. However, if a friend were to ask us if he should hold off on an SSD purchase until he could upgrade his old Core 2 machine to something newer with 6 Gb/s connectivity, we'd say no. For someone using a hard drive today, a fast SSD (even one artificially hobbled by a 3 Gb/s port) will yield massive and immediate gains in nearly every aspect of computing.

Snagging one that does work with 6 Gb/s link rates ensures you get the most out of it after an upgrade, sure. However even Intel's SSD 320, based on an older proprietary controller constrained to 3 Gb/s remains an admirable piece of hardware.

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We've used this chart before, but it tells a compelling story. There's a huge gap between the cluster of SSDs, the high-end hard drive in the middle of the graph, and the low-end hard drive in the upper right-hand corner. You have to zoom in quite a bit, though, to distinguish between high- and low-end SSDs. At the end of the day, even if you're a fairly hardcore enthusiast, there's fairly little sense in agonizing over which SATA 6Gb/s SSD is the fastest. As we mentioned, even Intel's 320 still stacks up remarkably well.

So banish any thought that you must save for the newest, most expensive, and highest-rated SSD. If you have the money for a platform upgrade, there are certainly measurable gains to be had from upgrading to a SATA 6Gb/s-capable motherboard and the best solid-state drive. On a tighter budget, however, buying the SSD that everyone says is the fastest isn't as important as buying an SSD you can afford, particularly if it means replacing a hard disk as your system drive.

Source: Buy The SSD You Can Afford, Not The Fastest One

The Real-World Tests page will further hammer in the message.

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As all OCZ drives, simply because they're the most popular... that means alot of failures.
But that was before the BSOD bug was fixed.

Otherwise for an Asynchronous SSD, it's pretty okay.
Fast and cheap. The other widely available alternative is Corsair's Force 3.

If you can however, get a Crucial M4 64GB.
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Source: Buy The SSD You Can Afford, Not The Fastest One

The Real-World Tests page will further hammer in the message.
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Indeed.
That's why buying a SATA3 SSD if one can afford it (look, prices between SATA2 and SATA3 SSDs are pretty minimal) even only having a SATA2 slot on the mobo is a good choice.


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Maybe you can ask from this forumer as well:
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hey guys need some opinion, im planning to buy the hp pavillion dm1-4018.
which ssd would u recommend me, as im looking for a stable and cheap ssd, dun wan la so cheap but useless.

is 60gb enuf aa? recommend me the type and price. thanks alot in advance
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I think i will stick with the same brand, either M4 256GB x2 or 512GB.
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M4 is best i know 128GB AND 256GB AND 512GB a lot diffrent speed

128GB
Sustained Sequential Read: Up to 500 MB/s(SATA 6Gb/s)
Sustained Sequential Write: Up to 175 MB/s(SATA 6Gb/s)
4KB Random Read: Up to 45,000 IOPS
4KB Random Write: Up to 35,000 IOPS

256GB
Sustained Sequential Read: Up to 500 MB/s(SATA 6Gb/s)
Sustained Sequential Write: Up to 260 MB/s(SATA 6Gb/s)
4KB Random Read: Up to 45,000 IOPS
4KB Random Write: Up to 50,000 IOPS

512GB
Sustained Sequential Read: Up to 500 MB/s(SATA 6Gb/s)
Sustained Sequential Write: Up to 260 MB/s(SATA 6Gb/s)
4KB Random Read: Up to 45,000 IOPS
4KB Random Write: Up to 50,000 IOPS

i know 128GB diffrent speed 256GB is speed faster then 128GB

i know why 256GB And 512GB both same speed but what diffrent

if 250GB Raid or 512GB Raid so be great

i was think if i buy new rig i pick M4 only
which i choose 256GB Raid or 512GB Raid

we dont want BSOD lol i like faster loading lol
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we dont want BSOD lol i like faster loading lol
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Mine is 20-25 sec tops (from POST to web browser) biggrin.gif
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Not impossible, but very unlikely to happen. And if it does happen, it is less worrying than when it happens on a HDD.
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Anybody interested in OEM Samsung 830?
I'm currently using 128GB wanted to change to 256GB so wanted to sell off the 128GB one.
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How much are you letting it go?
I might wanna RAID my 830 as well lol.
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why on crucial m4 128Gb , the write speed is really far from read speed ? unlike other SSDs , the diff between read speed and write speed is not too much .
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Not impossible, but very unlikely to happen. And if it does happen, it is less worrying than when it happens on a HDD.
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i was think if i buy new rig i pick M4 only
which i choose 256GB Raid or 512GB Raid
we dont want BSOD lol i like faster loading lol
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i'd choose to raid0 256GBx2 instead of single 512GB.
the speed is doubled & better redundancy. If one gone still got another one as a spare biggrin.gif
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i'd choose to raid0 256GBx2 instead of single 512GB.
the speed is doubled & better redundancy. If one gone still got another one as a spare biggrin.gif
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i know 128GB diffrent speed 256GB is speed faster then 128GB

i know why 256GB And 512GB both same speed but what diffrent
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i know 128GB diffrent speed 256GB is speed faster then 128GB

i know why 256GB And 512GB both same speed but what diffrent
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yah different in capacity but speed will be same 100% right
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Given that the number of channels are already fully utilized on both 256GB and 512GB models, they will yield the identical performance. Durability wise, since the data can spread across an even broader base, the 512GB will last longer, theoretically.
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and no tax rite?
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Click the link & calculate.
USD$179.54 + 30 shipping = 209.54 ~ RM635
or latest rate RM638

SSD is a computer part so no tax.

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Why on crucial m4 128Gb , the write speed is really far from read speed ? unlike other SSDs , the diff between read speed and write speed is not too much .

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intel or microsoft AHCI driver?

BTW, this is my laptop with intel rst driver...........

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I didn't run the test for that part.
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intel or microsoft AHCI driver?

BTW, this is my laptop with intel rst driver...........

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microsoft AHCI driver i think.
where to dload the intel rst driver. I'm using Compaq CQ40 laptop btw.
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hi guys i m back in town! after losing my internet connection for 1 week! ( good job maxis home narrowband)

anyway is anyone i missed or any news i missed in pass week and u wish to have it posted in the front page please let me know.

just to report back after 30 hours of playing with the Crucial M4 SSD i can only comments that it awesome! so far no BSOD or any sort of problems yet! xD

btw can i know how is there garbage collection function in the m4? and is there any optimisation need to be done in OSX lion?
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Unfortunately, SATA2.
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Not at all. This problem was already long solved since the firmware updated, if not mistaken. I've already written and read about 300GB of data so far.
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please advice..is the speed ok. for sata 3..use ggbyte p67 UD4

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microsoft AHCI driver i think.
where to dload the intel rst driver. I'm using Compaq CQ40 laptop btw.
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not a good benchmark i think, all setting done but still got this result.. huhu..  hmm.gif
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the low scores are quite normal for non Sandy Bridge platforms since your mobo only has 3rd party SATA3 ports instead of native Intel SATA3.
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Hi guys, looking to join the club. Those of you who have one, how did you get a hold of your Samsung 830?
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A question. Does the overall speed reduced if we fill the data in SSD up to 80% (for example)?
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the low scores are quite normal for non Sandy Bridge platforms since your mobo only has 3rd party SATA3 ports instead of native Intel SATA3.
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lol ive been trying to understand this ssd by reading from the 1st page, and after 20 pages, still could not understand. i guess i might be joining the group much later i guess haha
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lol ive been trying to understand this ssd by reading from the 1st page, and after 20 pages, still could not understand. i guess i might be joining the group much later i guess haha
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haha maybe u need to read from ssd thread v1 also... hahahaha... biggrin.gif
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lol ive been trying to understand this ssd by reading from the 1st page, and after 20 pages, still could not understand. i guess i might be joining the group much later i guess haha
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okay let say im buing a hp dm1-4018, and i want to change the hdd to ssd, which one is okay? i see that all mentioning that not all mobo have sata 3, but is that dm1 come with sata 3?

and what which ssd u all suggest me to buy for that dm 1 for a budget let say 300 ringgi?
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okay let say im buing a hp dm1-4018, and i want to change the hdd to ssd, which one is okay? i see that all mentioning that not all mobo have sata 3, but is that dm1 come with sata 3?

and what which ssd u all suggest me to buy for that dm 1 for a budget let say 300 ringgi?
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SATA 3 (aka SATA 6.0 Gbps) is backwards compatible with SATA 2 (aka SATA 3.0 Gbps). You will lose maximum performance, but that is acceptable for your situation.

But unless you can have both HDD and SSD running in your laptop at the same time, your budget of RM300 will not be sufficient. For RM300, your only first-hand option would be an Intel 40 GB SSD. Everything else seems to be at least RM350, which are 60GB SSDs. Or you could buy second-hand SSDs. However, these capacities are much to small when compared to to the DM1's default HDD capacity of 640GB. Unless you do not need most of the capacity or you can have both SSD and HDD at the same time, buying an SSD will be a bad idea for you. A similarly sized SSD will be Intel's 600GB SSD that goes for RM3599.

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SATA 3 (aka SATA 6.0 Gbps) is backwards compatible with SATA 2 (aka SATA 3.0 Gbps). You will lose maximum performance, but that is acceptable for your situation.

But unless you can have both HDD and SSD running in your laptop at the same time, your budget of RM300 will not be sufficient. For RM300, your only first-hand option would be an Intel 40 GB SSD. Everything else seems to be at least RM350, which are 60GB SSDs. Or you could buy second-hand SSDs. However, these capacities are much to small when compared to to the DM1's default HDD capacity of 640GB. Unless you do not need most of the capacity or you can have both SSD and HDD at the same time, buying an SSD will be a bad idea for you. A similarly sized SSD will be Intel's 600GB SSD that goes for RM3599.
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nah i planning to make the hard disk out to make it external. and only to plan to put in os and documents in the laptop. all media files will be put into the external hard disk. so what ssd u suggest?
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nah i planning to make the hard disk out to make it external. and only to plan to put in os and documents in the laptop. all media files will be put into the external hard disk. so what ssd u suggest?
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I am not sure of the current price in the Malaysian market. But you can try drives like Crucial M4 64GB, Corsair Force 3 64GB, Agility 3 64GB and so on. Basically you will be looking at 64GB drives. TomsHardware.com has an article on the impact between SATA2 and SATA3 ports. In short, the conclusion is that you should upgrade to SSD without considering this difference too seriously as you will still get significant performance boost.

By the way, I think there will be a price cut-down soon since the distributors in Hong Kong are recently cutting down the prices of 128GB SSD aggressively. A SLC drive - Team Xtreem S3 costs only around HKD1,199 which is less than RM500. I got my Agility 3 120GB around RM450.
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I am not sure of the current price in the Malaysian market. But you can try drives like Crucial M4 64GB, Corsair Force 3 64GB, Agility 3 64GB and so on. Basically you will be looking at 64GB drives. TomsHardware.com has an article on the impact between SATA2 and SATA3 ports. In short, the conclusion is that you should upgrade to SSD without considering this difference too seriously as you will still get significant performance boost.

By the way, I think there will be a price cut-down soon since the distributors in Hong Kong are recently cutting down the prices of 128GB SSD aggressively. A SLC drive - Team Xtreem S3 costs only around HKD1,199 which is less than RM500. I got my Agility 3 120GB around RM450.
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haha am i getting this the way around? is the statement should be insignificant? confused reading ur comment.

owh ic. 450 is a good price for a 120gb.
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haha am i getting this the way around? is the statement should be insignificant? confused reading ur comment.

owh ic. 450 is a good price for a 120gb.
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Simply said, whether you use SATA2 or SATA3, it doesn't matter much.
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Simply said, whether you use SATA2 or SATA3, it doesn't matter much.
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Any SSD will be at least 4x better than a HDD, even a cheap budget one like Kingston.

I have poisoned a good friend of mine by selling him an old Kingston cheaply, and now he can't live without an SSD and wonder how people can live on HDDs. And there was the other time when I sat down on a computer and I wondered if its Windows 7 had crashed during boot, but it turned out that it was simply loading from the HDD like normal. Once you have been properly poisoned by any SSD, using HDDs will frustrate you.
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Any SSD will be at least 4x better than a HDD, even a cheap budget one like Kingston.

I have poisoned a good friend of mine by selling him an old Kingston cheaply, and now he can't live without an SSD and wonder how people can live on HDDs. And there was the other time when I sat down on a computer and I wondered if its Windows 7 had crashed during boot, but it turned out that it was simply loading from the HDD like normal. Once you have been properly poisoned by any SSD, using HDDs will frustrate you.
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haha its the same thing about audiophiles. well gonna survey the price 1st.
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i think ur budget is too low already. i find the best balance between price and performance is those around 120/128GB SSD. After all the normal software my PC already took about 30GB. Imagine if you install games etc.. You wont have enough space. Plus I notice from review, SSD tend to perform faster the larger the SSD size. Its important also you find out which SATA ur mobo support. Not much point to get SATA3 if you only support SATA2. In SSD case not much point finding a future proof device because in the future SSD might drop price some more. You might as well just change new one by then...
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i think ur budget is too low already. i find the best balance between price and performance is those around 120/128GB SSD. After all the normal software my PC already took about 30GB. Imagine if you install games etc.. You wont have enough space. Plus I notice from review, SSD tend to perform faster the larger the SSD size. Its important also you find out which SATA ur mobo support. Not much point to get SATA3 if you only support SATA2. In SSD case not much point finding a future proof device because in the future SSD might drop price some more. You might as well just change new one by then...
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ic. thanks for the advice, anyhow how are we going to find out if the mobo can support sata 2 or 3. ive been searching using google, but failed
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ic. thanks for the advice, anyhow how  are we going to find out if the mobo can support sata 2 or 3. ive been searching using google, but failed
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look for laptop equipped with
http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/chi...e-chipsets.html
http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/chi...m-chipsets.html

chipsets to fully utilize sata 3 6Gb/s ssd,or just look for a macbook with sata 3 port enable.

Also laptop's mobo with achi enable,you are no where even you do have sata 3 port but will run on ide mode instead.

You wont/hard to understand ssd as you dont have your own one at hand,by the same analogy hard for you to practice piano even you know the theory and music sheets but without a 'physical' piano.
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look for laptop equipped with
http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/chi...e-chipsets.html
http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/chi...m-chipsets.html

chipsets to fully utilize sata 3 6Gb/s ssd,or just look for a macbook with sata 3 port enable.

Also laptop's mobo with achi enable,you are no where even you do have sata 3 port but will run on ide mode instead.

You wont/hard to understand ssd as you dont have your own one at hand,by the same analogy hard for you to practice piano even you know the theory and music sheets but without a 'physical' piano.
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I mean since budget is a concern, why not move to OEM stuffs?
Too cheap to be truth?
Or really need retail product badly?
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i got dead link for both
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http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/chi...e-chipsets.html
http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/chi...m-chipsets.html

There's another one for budget chipsets,i dont think you need it anyway.
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http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/chi...e-chipsets.html
http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/chi...m-chipsets.html

There's another one for budget chipsets,i dont think you need it anyway.
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thanks for the info. how about the laptop im about to buy? using AMD E-450. it should not be included inside the intel website right?

well since i someone said i cant differentiate the speed of sata 2 or 3 if used in a dm1, i should just get the sata 2, since ill be using it for 2-3 years,

and after that, new and cheaper technology will come out if i want to change my lappy, and i wont be using the same ssd then?

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since hdd is expensive due to the flood, ssd is getting more popularity.

but sadly my team extreem g1 60gb died within 6 months. to RMA, will cost half of the price i bought the ssd. sad.gif

better look for more reputable ssd with local warranty if possible.
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thanks for the info. how about the laptop im about to buy? using AMD E-450. it should not be included inside the intel website right?

well since i someone said i cant differentiate the speed of sata 2 or 3 if used in a dm1, i should just get the sata 2, since ill be using it for 2-3 years,

and after that, new and cheaper technology will come out if i want to change my lappy, and i wont be using the same ssd then?
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AMD proc sure wont appear at intel's website mah,lol.
The speed differences is there,may be you're not aware of it but i can feel it especially when you open photoshop cs5,boot up time and alike.
Sata 3 is just last year tech,if the price difference is minimal i'd to get sata 3 instead.
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i think ur budget is too low already. i find the best balance between price and performance is those around 120/128GB SSD. After all the normal software my PC already took about 30GB. Imagine if you install games etc.. You wont have enough space. Plus I notice from review, SSD tend to perform faster the larger the SSD size. Its important also you find out which SATA ur mobo support. Not much point to get SATA3 if you only support SATA2. In SSD case not much point finding a future proof device because in the future SSD might drop price some more. You might as well just change new one by then...
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WTA ..better raid .or single for ssd

Raid support trim or not ?
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QUOTE(WhitE LighteR @ Feb 19 2012, 03:54 AM)
i think ur budget is too low already. i find the best balance between price and performance is those around 120/128GB SSD. After all the normal software my PC already took about 30GB. Imagine if you install games etc.. You wont have enough space. Plus I notice from review, SSD tend to perform faster the larger the SSD size. Its important also you find out which SATA ur mobo support. Not much point to get SATA3 if you only support SATA2. In SSD case not much point finding a future proof device because in the future SSD might drop price some more. You might as well just change new one by then...
I mentioned this before and it's not about having a future proof drive... SATA 3 SSDs are just built more recently and are generally newer tech than SATA 2 drives. Besides, there is very little price difference (if at all) between SATA 2 and SATA 3 SSDs. Its a no brainer to get SATA 3 drives even if your mobo is SATA 2 as they are backward compatible.

Running my M4s in a Toshiba M9 (64GB) and Acer 1410 (128GB) and both notebooks are with SATA 2 mobos.
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Is it normal to get occasional BSOD when running on a SSD?

I am on a OEM Samsung 830 128GB drive and running it on a C2D E8400 and a P43 Mobo. Fresh Windows 7 64 install even.

Bought it from here: http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...&#entry48644735

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QUOTE(jchue73 @ Feb 19 2012, 03:37 PM)
I mentioned this before and it's not about having a future proof drive... SATA 3 SSDs are just built more recently and are generally newer tech than SATA 2 drives. Besides, there is very little price difference (if at all) between SATA 2 and SATA 3 SSDs. Its a no brainer to get SATA 3 drives even if your mobo is SATA 2 as they are backward compatible.

Running my M4s in a Toshiba M9 (64GB) and Acer 1410 (128GB) and both notebooks are with SATA 2 mobos.
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little price difference?

(Sata 2)
Intel 320 120GB = RM580
OCZ Vertex 2 120GB = RM589

(Sata 3)
Intel 501 120GB = RM899
OCS Vertex 3 = RM729
Mushkin Cronos Duluxe = RM750

580 vs 729

That is 150 ringgit difference minimum. I know the amount is depend on a person perspective of value. But that is consider alot to me.

Price example taken from: http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/1293022
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Is it normal to get occasional BSOD when running on a SSD?

I am on a OEM Samsung 830 128GB drive and running it on a C2D E8400 and a P43 Mobo. Fresh Windows 7 64 install even.

Bought it from here: http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...&#entry48644735
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I have been using 830 64gb in my htpc for almost 2 weeks now, never got any BSOD.
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Is it normal to get occasional BSOD when running on a SSD?

I am on a OEM Samsung 830 128GB drive and running it on a C2D E8400 and a P43 Mobo. Fresh Windows 7 64 install even.

Bought it from here: http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...&#entry48644735
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could be caused by other hardware.
What's the ending code of BSOD?
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- <Event xmlns="http://schemas.microsoft.com/win/2004/08/events/event">
- <System>
 <Provider Name="Microsoft-Windows-Kernel-Power" Guid="{331C3B3A-2005-44C2-AC5E-77220C37D6B4}" />
 <EventID>41</EventID>
 <Version>2</Version>
 <Level>1</Level>
 <Task>63</Task>
 <Opcode>0</Opcode>
 <Keywords>0x8000000000000002</Keywords>
 <TimeCreated SystemTime="2012-02-20T01:15:25.712007400Z" />
 <EventRecordID>5014</EventRecordID>
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 <Execution ProcessID="4" ThreadID="8" />
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 <Data Name="BugcheckCode">244</Data>
 <Data Name="BugcheckParameter1">0x3</Data>
 <Data Name="BugcheckParameter2">0xfffffa80056e4450</Data>
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0x8000000000000002
Pls kindly provide your PC specs as well.
Could be audio driver conflicts. Assume that you're using an ATI GC there would be 2 audio drivers shown in Device Manager, disable one of them. Either
ATI High Definition Audio Device or High Definition Audio Device. Reboot.
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C2D E8400
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GB GA-EP43-DS3L
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C2D E8400
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GB GA-EP43-DS3L
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Ok. Disable onboard audio in BIOS & check the audio drivers in Device Manager. Disable the unnecessaries. Same thing for nVidia GC, there might be more ghan one audio related drivers.

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Disabled the onboard already. Even my network card also is a separate D-Link card with onboard also turned off.
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QUOTE(WhitE LighteR @ Feb 19 2012, 11:46 PM)
little price difference?

(Sata 2)
Intel 320 120GB = RM580
OCZ Vertex 2 120GB = RM589

(Sata 3)
Intel 501 120GB = RM899
OCS Vertex 3 = RM729
Mushkin Cronos Duluxe = RM750

580 vs 729

That is 150 ringgit difference minimum. I know the amount is depend on a person perspective of value. But that is consider alot to me.

Price example taken from: http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/1293022
Sorry. Thanks for the correction as I have not bought SSDs locally. Just base from my M4 buying experience from the internet.
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I'm new in studying the SSD in my VAIO FW (age 2 yrs), how fast will my laptop improved & where is the significant differ if I replace my HDD to SSD?

As I heard it will boot my laptop within 15s for consistently, is that true? And my laptop will have less heat too? Other than that, anything else?

Anyone heard of Force brand SSD? I got a quote of RM449 for 60GB.
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I'm new in studying the SSD in my VAIO FW (age 2 yrs), how fast will my laptop improved & where is the significant differ if I replace my HDD to SSD?

As I heard it will boot my laptop within 15s for consistently, is that true? And my laptop will have less heat too? Other than that, anything else?

Anyone heard of Force brand SSD? I got a quote of RM449 for 60GB.
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Yes,changing from HDD to SSD,you will feel your system significantly faster biggrin.gif
Boot Up Time(In my case,timed) reduced to 33's from 60's(Stopwatch start the moment press power button)
You will feel SSD launch program much much faster than HDD laugh.gif
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I think you mean corsair force. I feel that is expansive, you can already get crucial m4 for 110 usd or samsung 830 for 140 usd, that is if you don't mind ordering online.
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I think you mean corsair force. I feel that is expansive, you can already get crucial m4 for 110 usd or samsung 830 for 140 usd, that is if you don't mind ordering online.
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if ordering it online, how do we claim warranty? need to send back?
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Aww that's a lot of work. How about we buy from here? Warranty overseas too?
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Aww that's a lot of work. How about we buy from here? Warranty overseas too?
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If you buy from here, you claim directly with the distributors (or go thru resellers, but there is additional time taken for them to return to distributor). But sometimes, the distributors themselves will send back to the manufacturer, and this takes time because it very much depends on when they would send it back.

So it very much depends on the situation, if the distributor can exchange it on the spot, then good. If they need to send it back to manufacturer, I would rather RMA it myself with the manufacturer as it is faster.

Actually, RMA is not a lot of work as you think once you done it yourself. smile.gif

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CyntrixTech is selling Crucial M4 at dirt cheap prices
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better ask the seller for the exact price.
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better ask the seller for the exact price.
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Prices for the Crucial M4 256GB in the US are getting more outrageous day by day biggrin.gif

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/7688...m4_SSD_2_5.html
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...N82E16820148443 (this one is a record price drop/discount, worthwhile if you have someone in the US to ship it to you)

So boss owikh84, is it time yet to get yourself two of these babies? brows.gif
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I take a plunge on Samsung 830 256gb from B&H photo too..
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Prices for the Crucial M4 256GB in the US are getting more outrageous day by day  biggrin.gif

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/7688...m4_SSD_2_5.html
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...N82E16820148443 (this one is a record price drop/discount, worthwhile if you have someone in the US to ship it to you)

So boss owikh84, is it time yet to get yourself two of these babies?  brows.gif
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hi guys is anybody bringing in intel 520 series ?

hmm.but still M4 is a good buy yea . ?

im thinking of M4, Samsung 830, and intel 520 series.

donno which one ! sad.gif
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hi guys is anybody bringing in intel 520 series ?

hmm.but still M4 is a good buy yea . ?

im thinking of M4, Samsung 830, and intel 520 series.

donno which one ! sad.gif
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The 520 uses SF controller which old revisons had been famous for BSOD.
The M4 uses Marvell controller and shares NAND memory with Intel drives except for 520.
Samsung 830 uses it's own controller and NAND memory.
Both are very reliable from record.
Go with whichever is cheaper, the M4 biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(owikh84 @ Feb 23 2012, 03:31 PM)
The 520 uses SF controller which old revisons had been famous for BSOD.
The M4 uses Marvell controller and shares NAND memory with Intel drives except for 520.
Samsung 830 uses it's own controller and NAND memory.
Both are very reliable from record.
Go with whichever is cheaper, the M4  biggrin.gif
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520 uses different firmware than standard SF and gone through intel validation

But price/performance ratio wise, M4 would win.
Unless owikh84 starts selling OEM Intel 520 SSDs . If it ever happens anyway:P

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I'm new to SSD and still doing survery..
I've a question here,
OCZ agility 3 60GB and OCZ vertex 2 60GB,
the price is very close and one is sata2 , one is sata 3,
which will provide better performance ? what's their difference?
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user posted imageKINGMAX ssd good and reliable ?

60gb rm32x only ..

http://www.kingmax.com/en_03_product_content.asp?sn=126





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This one was 240G ...smallest

1.5G transfer per sec

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Price:
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Hello to all the sifu here
I'm new to SSD and still doing survery..
I've a question here,
OCZ agility 3 60GB and OCZ vertex 2 60GB,
the price is very close and one is sata2 , one is sata 3,
which will provide better performance ? what's their difference?
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Vertex 2 uses the older generation of Sandforce controller.
Agility 3 uses the latest generation of Sandforce controller.

Interms of speed, the Agility 3 is way faster.
But the older generation of SF controller has lesser problems (although latest firmwares seems to have alleviate the current BSOD issues with SF-2281).

Honestly I wouldn't buy either one... when a price of an Crucial M4 is this: http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopic=2046393&hl=


QUOTE(nagflar @ Feb 23 2012, 08:55 PM)
user posted imageKINGMAX ssd  good and reliable ?

60gb rm32x only ..

http://www.kingmax.com/en_03_product_content.asp?sn=126
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Uses SF-2281 controller, Async memory.
It's pretty much the same thing as an OCZ Agility 3 or Corsair Force 3.

Having BSOD problems or not these days is a hit or miss thing with the SF-2281 controller.
I'm not sure how up to date Kingmax firmwares are, so do double check before buying.

Otherwise for RM32x, it's cheaper than the Agility 3 and Force 3.
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http://www.tomshardware.com/news/NAND-Flas...rupp,14728.html

Some news…
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There seems to be quite a lot of misunderstanding and sarcasm in the comments in that article.

It is good to do such analysis, so that we may know of the potential future of NAND memory and work to mitigate it. But we also have other potential technologies already in the works that may render NAND memory obsolete by 2024. NAND may be doomed, but SSDs can still improve.

And even if all possible alternate technologies are dead-ends as NAND's successors, HDDs will still lose to NAND-based SSDs in random read/write performance, probably forever. Don't worry. icon_rolleyes.gif
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hmm.. thanks for your information .
just pm-ed them for the best price for crucial m4 ,
wonder how much it would be,
and agility 3 and vertex are having a lot of problem? blue screen of death?
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1. Force Series™ GT 120GB
2. Intel 510 120GB
3. OCZ Vertex 3 SATA III 120GB

which one better in time of speed and reliability?
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since it's a SSD thread, thought i should ask here ..

was wondering if digital mall at section 14 carries the 3.5" bracket for SSD mounting?

if so, which shop can i get it? got myself a crucial m4, but lacking of the bracket.

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hmm.. thanks for your information .
just pm-ed them for the best price for crucial m4 ,
wonder how much it would be,
and agility 3 and vertex are having a lot of problem? blue screen of death?
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Just go do a google search on BSOD for Agility 3/Vertex 2.
As always, depends on your luck sometimes.

QUOTE(keaizer @ Feb 23 2012, 10:50 PM)
guys between

1. Force Series™ GT 120GB
2. Intel 510 120GB
3. OCZ Vertex 3 SATA III 120GB

which one better in time of speed and reliability?
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Reliability: Intel 510.
Speed: Force GT/Vertex 3

Interms of speed, the 510 isn't really too shabby on its own but the price you pay for an Intel SSD is really.... doh.gif
Considering the price of Crucial M4 now, theres really no reason to get a 510.

As for the Force GT and Vertex 3 on reliability, they're pretty much the same thing really.
OCZ gets firmware updates faster than anyone else though.


QUOTE(Jehuty @ Feb 23 2012, 11:10 PM)
hi,

since it's a SSD thread, thought i should ask here ..

was wondering if digital mall at section 14 carries the 3.5" bracket for SSD mounting?

if so, which shop can i get it? got myself a crucial m4, but lacking of the bracket.

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I'm sure you should be able to find a 3.5" bracket mostly anywhere?
Plenty in LYP.
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okay thanks
i made up my mind for crucial m4 biggrin.gif
thanks for your info bro!
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hi guys,
want to ask, m4 crucial and samsung 830 which 1 is better? should i wait for samsung 830 to reach here?
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want to ask, m4 crucial and samsung 830 which 1 is better?  should i wait for samsung 830 to reach here?
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Samsung 830 since the price is almost same as M4 and It is very reliable like Intel SSD.
My 256gb Samsung 830 is shipped today. drool.gif drool.gif
Should arrive in a week+
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Samsung 830 since the price is almost same as M4 and It is very reliable like Intel SSD.
My 256gb Samsung 830 is shipped today.  drool.gif  drool.gif
Should arrive in a week+
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drool.gif bro mind to share where u purchase the ssd? im interested in your obtibay super drive brows.gif still available?
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drool.gif bro mind to share where u purchase the ssd? im interested in your obtibay super drive  brows.gif still available?
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Brought from here: http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/8284...s_SSD_with.html
Shipping is around USD50+
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want to ask, m4 crucial and samsung 830 which 1 is better?  should i wait for samsung 830 to reach here?
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They trade blows with each other on various benchmarks.
Yes, only in benchmarks.

In real world usage... honestly, go for whichever you can get cheaper.
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Anyone selling the samsung cheaper than m4 from cyntrix?
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Is this micro SATA?
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I still confuse, do they have any caddy or converter to normal SATA and SATA power port?
Is this micro SATA?
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That's mini PCIE. Not mini SATA (mSATA) nor microSATA (uSATA)
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AHCI checked
TRIM checked.

Anything else I need to install ?
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Anything else I need to install ?
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Install chipset & RST drivers from mobo driver CD
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hi..all.need a coment

just instal samsung 256gb 470 oem

all driver install

but health still 79%

already do optimize

is it normal for oem samsung or have solution or ssd have a problem

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Crucial M4 128GB is now $150 USD only = RM452
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thats the price before shipping rite? or where can i find that price in msia?
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thats the price before shipping rite? or where can i find that price in msia?
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yep price before shipping but i'm just showing that RM4XX as claimed earlier is possible.
M4's price plunged down drastically recently maybe because of the 5200 hours issue.
altho they've fixed it with the latest firmware, consumer confidence has been lost.

QUOTE(skycrawler @ Feb 26 2012, 04:12 AM)
Guys , how to buy from newegg USA?
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newegg doesn't accept Malaysian credit card, so best way is to find a US friend to grab it for you.
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My new 128 crucial m4

Why so slow one??

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Anyone want to group buy Crucial M4 128GB ? I may order one from Newegg and we share the shipping fee. I ask my friend in USA to pay it using his USA Paypal Account
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Only the SSD already RM 460 , maybe the shipping around RM 40 - RM 65


QUOTE(dopp @ Feb 26 2012, 02:27 PM)
Amazon ship direct to MY
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Amazon ship the SSD with the shipping already USD 200 x 3.0 = RM 600, more expensive
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Amazon ship direct to MY
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QUOTE(limhongwoon @ Feb 26 2012, 01:33 PM)
Only the SSD already RM 460 , maybe the shipping around RM 40 - RM 65
Amazon ship the SSD with the shipping already USD 200 x 3.0 = RM 600, more expensive
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Price is not cheap after adding all. See the screenshot below.
Need to add "Import Fee Deposit" too. rclxub.gif
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I got mine from amazon usd160++ add ship less than 200. Got it in 3 days
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Price is not cheap after adding all. See the screenshot below.
Need to add "Import Fee Deposit" too.  rclxub.gif
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I think better buy it from Newegg, anyone want to join it ?
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I'm not interested, but I am curious about how the warranty would work.
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should i plug it to GSATA (Marvell 88SE9172 chip ) or
SATA which controlled by z68 intel ?

QUOTE(dopp @ Feb 26 2012, 09:30 AM)
My new 128 crucial m4

Why so slow one??

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HOHOHO ... I changed from GSATA to SATA , which both are also SATA 6gb
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if samsung 830 120gb vs intel 520 ssd 120gb
the price difference is only RM60
which 1 to get?
samsung 1 faster in overall while intel faster in sequential
samsung 3 years warranty intel 5 years

i dont really need the norton ghost and bracket offer by samsung

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damn sad...i think my 120GB OCZ Vertex 2 kong-ed. The other day I just power up my rig and then all of a sudden it couldn't load the Boot OS. BIOS could not even detect the SSD except for my other 3 HDDs. Plug the SSD to another PC also can't be detected. All my important data was kept inside there. Looks like it's dead.

I did some reading on other tech forums and it seems like i'm not alone on this but so far there's no other remedy but to RMA it. Anyone faced similar issues before? I'm still hesitating to RMA for the moment coz still finding ways to revive it and hopefully can retrieve my data.
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if samsung 830 120gb vs intel 520 ssd 120gb
the price difference is only RM60
which 1 to get?
samsung 1 faster in overall while intel faster in sequential
samsung 3 years warranty intel 5 years

i dont really need the norton ghost and bracket offer by samsung
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Not quite, actually the 520 is faster than the 830 on overall terms.
Honestly if it's only RM60, I'd go with the 830 for now eventhough Intel took their time to polish up the SF firmware and so far after over a month, there hasn't been problems yet.
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QUOTE(SSJBen @ Feb 27 2012, 10:40 PM)
Not quite, actually the 520 is faster than the 830 on overall terms.
Honestly if it's only RM60, I'd go with the 830 for now eventhough Intel took their time to polish up the SF firmware and so far after over a month, there hasn't been problems yet.
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really? intel faster in overall? do u mean the 256gb?
but i am only targeting the 120gb 1
it is only RM60 difference in my place, with 2 years more warranty
maybe i shall observe the intel 520 for awhile more
while waiting the price to drop again XD

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really? intel faster in overall? do u mean the 256gb?
but i am only targeting the 120gb 1
it is only RM60 difference in my place, with 2 years more warranty
maybe i shall observe the intel 520 for awhile more
while waiting the price to drop again XD
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Not worth waiting for a price drop. That 830 will provide 95% of the 520's value. And after three years, 120GB SSD prices will likely be cut to at least 50% to 25%, which should be quite affordable and we assume that your 830 dies by then. Furthermore, unless Intel bothers to react to the market, I am not expecting them to change their price significantly in the next couple of months.

I'd recommend getting an SSD now, so that you may fall in love with it and agree that getting your first SSD now (when there is no expected price drops or market correction) is much better than getting it a few months down the line. This statement only applies for your first SSD. Once you have lost your SSD virginity, it is acceptable to be conservative because subsequent SSDs will likely not be as life changing as your first one.
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QUOTE(everling @ Feb 28 2012, 08:09 AM)
Not worth waiting for a price drop. That 830 will provide 95% of the 520's value. And after three years, 120GB SSD prices will likely be cut to at least 50% to 25%, which should be quite affordable and we assume that your 830 dies by then. Furthermore, unless Intel bothers to react to the market, I am not expecting them to change their price significantly in the next couple of months.

I'd recommend getting an SSD now, so that you may fall in love with it and agree that getting your first SSD now (when there is no expected price drops or market correction) is much better than getting it a few months down the line. This statement only applies for your first SSD. Once you have lost your SSD virginity, it is acceptable to be conservative because subsequent SSDs will likely not be as life changing as your first one.
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hi very much thanks for ur input
i previously own a corsair f60 but it dead twice
after secure erase, it is now working "temporary"
i dont know when will it die again
so i plug it into laptop instead
my pc windows in on samsung spinpoint f3 now
but i dont know why it is very slow and keep hang
maybe becoz i was addicted to ssd speed?
but it seems like my f3 have bad sector now, it crashes completely when i open certain folder

i have been monitoring the ssd price
and recently it drop by almost RM40 in just few days
i may as well as wait for few more weeks

anyway
if samsung 830 and intel 520 is almost on par
RM60 for extra 2 years warranty isnt a steal?
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