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post Jan 15 2012, 03:27 PM

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QUOTE(Dackson @ Jan 15 2012, 01:33 AM)
anyone can let me know the comparison between SSD with 15k RPM 6GB/s SAS, 7.2k RPM near line SED SAS, seagate momentus XT ?

I was thinking to use 300GB SSD, 3 seagate momentus XT. It's seaget momentus hybrid drive work slower than thos 15k RPM 6GB/s SAS
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Don't think it's worth it for you to use 3 seagate momentus XT.
Getting 3x Samsung F3 1TB is a much better investment. You can RAID 2 of them and the other use it as an extra backup.

Performance difference between them is pretty much non-existant, as I assume you're using it for data purposes.
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post Jan 18 2012, 10:52 PM

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QUOTE(Kclee2002 @ Jan 18 2012, 04:54 PM)
Currently looking at the Crucial M4, but seems that Samsung 830 is also a viable option for non-sandforce ssds. Anyone here uses the 830? Would like to know the general reliability of it.
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The 830 hasn't been out long enough to comment on reliability issues.
But judging from Samsung's history, their 470 series was about as reliable as Intel's.

They do place reliability above all else.
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post Jan 28 2012, 12:43 PM

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This seller claims to have local warranty for Crucial M4 though:
http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...6393&hl=crucial
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post Feb 8 2012, 01:18 AM

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QUOTE(881118 @ Feb 7 2012, 05:05 PM)
120GB choices:
intel 520 ~ 270k korean won ~ RM720
samsung 830 ~ 235k ~ RM 635
crucial m4 ~ 240k ~ RM640
vertex3 ~ 240k ~ RM640

I am having hard time to choose... while my f60 is dead... i already format my windows in HDD, so SSD is not a MUST but is now a LUST

another question:
why the catalog of vertex3, intel 520 show max ~ 550/500 r/w speed, while m4 and samsung 830 only show ~ 500/300 r/w speed
then most reviews says these 4 are actually just on par, almost same performance
THEN why they wan to put 550/500 and 500/300 while they are almost same actually?

source:
http://blog.danawa.com/prod/?prod_c=159166...te_c4=&keyword=
http://blog.danawa.com/prod/?prod_c=139949...te_c4=&keyword=
http://blog.danawa.com/prod/?prod_c=151247...te_c4=&keyword=
http://blog.danawa.com/prod/?prod_c=134576...te_c4=&keyword=
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The very normal example of marketting hype and tactics.
Just simply basing an SSD performance on read/write speeds is honestly, one of the worst ways to compare performances.

There are alot of other variables.
The Vertex 3 and Intel 520 are SF-based drives, obviously under incompressible data they're faster.
When it comes to compressed data, you'd see they drop more than half of their advertised speed, where as the Marvell based or Samsung's own controllers doesn't change its performance much (if at all, really in real-world situations I'd be surprised you can notice it).

Do more research on SSDs.
They're just like CPUs in-terms of marketing "the more the better" doesn't mean it really is faster.



QUOTE(fr0sti3 @ Feb 7 2012, 10:52 PM)
hmm besides slower R/W speeds, any downside of using SATA3 ssd in a SATA2 slot?

i'm planning to get my second corsair force3 120GB for my sata2 lappie since pricing of sata3 & sata2 ssd is quite similar

thanks for your time smile.gif
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Read this: http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/sata-6...3gbps,3110.html

Summary:
It doesn't matter if you slot a SATAIII SSD into a SATAII only port, you'll lose performance but it isn't enough to sway you away because a SATA2 and SATA3 SSD price deficit is rather minimal these days.

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QUOTE(881118 @ Feb 8 2012, 01:45 AM)
no time to research due to project deadline =(
tats y i come here to ask

from wat u explained
SF based drives is fast for incompressible data and normal for compressed data
while Marvell based drives is normal for both data

so still SF based is better?
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I wouldn't say SF based drives are the best?
They're the fastest, that's a given... but honestly, I'd still take the Samsung 830 for a more balanced performance throughout all kinds of different scenarios, eventhough it isn't as fast.

If you want the absolute fastest, SF drives.. atleast for now, is still the fastest.
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QUOTE(881118 @ Feb 8 2012, 02:37 PM)
personally not very confident in samsung ssd =x
their hw is great but their sw sucks, especially in providing firmware update (smartphone)

anyway
why mushkin chronos 240gb is much cheaper than others 240-256gb range ssd?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...N82E16820226237
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The software has been absolutely fine to me.
You can always manually update the firmware if you hate their firmware utility.

If that's your qualm and it is such a deal breaker for you, get a Crucial M4 then.
They perform similarly to the Samsung 830, trading blows and even somtimes outpacing the 830 too.

Mushkin has always old its stuff cheap in the US.
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QUOTE(Shufflerz @ Feb 8 2012, 11:39 PM)
[Question] Manually update firmware as in SSD or phone?
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The SSD.
We're on a SSD thread aren't we? tongue.gif
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QUOTE(Shufflerz @ Feb 9 2012, 12:35 AM)
Mind to show? I'm having problem updating my 830.
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QUOTE(Shufflerz @ Feb 9 2012, 11:09 AM)
I've done a bit of Google.
People over Dell forum discussed that maybe its an OEM product that's why Samsung SSD Magician unable to detect it as an actualy Samsung product.
I'm not sure how big will improve for firmware update, but since I cannot do anything, I'm cool with current firmware, and its performance.
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Usually you can just download the firmware, then place it onto a USB drive and then flash the SSD through BIOS.
But now... uhm, it seems the software can't detect your SSD at all? hmm.gif
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QUOTE(Foo Mun @ Feb 10 2012, 05:14 PM)
Newbie here. Seek for advice to buy Intel 320 40GB or OCZ Agility 3 60GB. Budget very tight sad.gif
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40GB is really only going to suffice for Windows 7 install on the SSD and nothing else.
Don't forget you need to have space for updates too... and the fact that you need to save 3-5GB of space for the SSD to perform at its best, it's just too tight.

Go for a 60GB Agility 3 or Corsair Force 3 instead.
Both are the same price.
Or if you can pony up an extra RM100, the Intel 320 80GB is a pretty nifty choice.
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QUOTE(skycrawler @ Feb 13 2012, 12:54 AM)
Anyhow , any comment on this product ?

OCZ AGILITY 3 SATA III 60Gb
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As all OCZ drives, simply because they're the most popular... that means alot of failures.
But that was before the BSOD bug was fixed.

Otherwise for an Asynchronous SSD, it's pretty okay.
Fast and cheap. The other widely available alternative is Corsair's Force 3.

If you can however, get a Crucial M4 64GB.
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QUOTE(everling @ Feb 13 2012, 09:22 AM)
Source: Buy The SSD You Can Afford, Not The Fastest One

The Real-World Tests page will further hammer in the message.
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Indeed.
That's why buying a SATA3 SSD if one can afford it (look, prices between SATA2 and SATA3 SSDs are pretty minimal) even only having a SATA2 slot on the mobo is a good choice.


QUOTE(skycrawler @ Feb 13 2012, 11:53 AM)
Thanks , I do heard a lot about ocz problems , anyway , now im going for Crucial M4 64Gb . Any problem if I ordered from taobao.com?
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None, I think?

Maybe you can ask from this forumer as well:
http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...3278&hl=crucial
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QUOTE(Shufflerz @ Feb 14 2012, 04:17 PM)
Anybody interested in OEM Samsung 830?
I'm currently using 128GB wanted to change to 256GB so wanted to sell off the 128GB one.
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How much are you letting it go?
I might wanna RAID my 830 as well lol.
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QUOTE(xiia0ha0 @ Feb 23 2012, 08:39 PM)
Hello to all the sifu here
I'm new to SSD and still doing survery..
I've a question here,
OCZ agility 3 60GB and OCZ vertex 2 60GB,
the price is very close and one is sata2 , one is sata 3,
which will provide better performance ? what's their difference?
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Vertex 2 uses the older generation of Sandforce controller.
Agility 3 uses the latest generation of Sandforce controller.

Interms of speed, the Agility 3 is way faster.
But the older generation of SF controller has lesser problems (although latest firmwares seems to have alleviate the current BSOD issues with SF-2281).

Honestly I wouldn't buy either one... when a price of an Crucial M4 is this: http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopic=2046393&hl=


QUOTE(nagflar @ Feb 23 2012, 08:55 PM)
user posted imageKINGMAX ssd  good and reliable ?

60gb rm32x only ..

http://www.kingmax.com/en_03_product_content.asp?sn=126
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Uses SF-2281 controller, Async memory.
It's pretty much the same thing as an OCZ Agility 3 or Corsair Force 3.

Having BSOD problems or not these days is a hit or miss thing with the SF-2281 controller.
I'm not sure how up to date Kingmax firmwares are, so do double check before buying.

Otherwise for RM32x, it's cheaper than the Agility 3 and Force 3.
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QUOTE(xiia0ha0 @ Feb 23 2012, 10:19 PM)
hmm.. thanks for your information .
just pm-ed them for the best price for crucial m4 ,
wonder how much it would be,
and agility 3 and vertex are having a lot of problem? blue screen of death?
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Just go do a google search on BSOD for Agility 3/Vertex 2.
As always, depends on your luck sometimes.

QUOTE(keaizer @ Feb 23 2012, 10:50 PM)
guys between

1. Force Series™ GT 120GB
2. Intel 510 120GB
3. OCZ Vertex 3 SATA III 120GB

which one better in time of speed and reliability?
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Reliability: Intel 510.
Speed: Force GT/Vertex 3

Interms of speed, the 510 isn't really too shabby on its own but the price you pay for an Intel SSD is really.... doh.gif
Considering the price of Crucial M4 now, theres really no reason to get a 510.

As for the Force GT and Vertex 3 on reliability, they're pretty much the same thing really.
OCZ gets firmware updates faster than anyone else though.


QUOTE(Jehuty @ Feb 23 2012, 11:10 PM)
hi,

since it's a SSD thread, thought i should ask here ..

was wondering if digital mall at section 14 carries the 3.5" bracket for SSD mounting?

if so, which shop can i get it? got myself a crucial m4, but lacking of the bracket.

cheers
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I'm sure you should be able to find a 3.5" bracket mostly anywhere?
Plenty in LYP.

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QUOTE(Lukr3va @ Feb 23 2012, 11:35 PM)
hi guys,
want to ask, m4 crucial and samsung 830 which 1 is better?  should i wait for samsung 830 to reach here?
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They trade blows with each other on various benchmarks.
Yes, only in benchmarks.

In real world usage... honestly, go for whichever you can get cheaper.
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QUOTE(881118 @ Feb 27 2012, 07:23 PM)
if samsung 830 120gb vs intel 520 ssd 120gb
the price difference is only RM60
which 1 to get?
samsung 1 faster in overall while intel faster in sequential
samsung 3 years warranty intel 5 years

i dont really need the norton ghost and bracket offer by samsung
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Not quite, actually the 520 is faster than the 830 on overall terms.
Honestly if it's only RM60, I'd go with the 830 for now eventhough Intel took their time to polish up the SF firmware and so far after over a month, there hasn't been problems yet.
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You honestly won't go wrong with either.
That 5 years warranty sure is a good deal for peace of mind.

Only reason I'm still somewhat on the fence of the 520 is because that it is still a relatively new drive and eventhough Intel's reliability is legendary, I won't for one hop onto a new drive so quickly.
Atleast not for now, perhaps give it another 3 months to see the reactions from users.

That's just me of course.
If you're feeling confident (again, given that both Intel and Samsung's reliability record is the best in the industry), get the Intel 520.
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QUOTE(881118 @ Feb 28 2012, 02:35 PM)
thanks for ur long reply
but seriously I still dont have an answer yet
honestly I would prefer the samsung 830, but the RM60 difference for extra 2 years warranty keep running in my head  rclxub.gif
and there is not much samsung 830 vs intel 520 comparison in the net
most of them are comparing the 256gb version, which the price different is alot (around 150usd)
for the 120gb version, the price different is almost negligible, so I think I should focus more on the performance and reliability, since my f60 has failed me twice
again thanks for ur long explanation
but is SF controller really that bad?
then why could those vertex3, force 3 have sales figure too?
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Doesn't matter if the comparisons were between 256gb or 128gb... they're really for benchmarks only.
128gb variants are slower yes, but on the same level playing field, the 128gb samsung 830 and intel 520 drives are just about as fast as each other, with the 520 perhaps eeking out a few wins here and there.

This should be the be-all, end-all review you need for Intel 520: http://www.anandtech.com/show/5508/intel-s...ty-to-sandforce

As for the reason why SF controller was so bad, because it just is.
It was rushed out to the market, it was hyped over the fact of having ridiculous transfer speeds -- this is the same when Intel went addicted over achieving the highest clock speeds for the Pentium 4 CPUs--.
Vertex 3, Force 3, Force GT, Agility 3... all these SF drives has strong sale figures because they were the first out of the gate when the SF-2200 controller arrived.
They simply oblirated the entire field of current SSDs during then, it was FAST.
But what people didn't expect was that it is unreliable as heck.

Hope you get your idea now and come up with your own decission. smile.gif
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Guess because they haven't advertise enough yet that they're holding Crucial M4s.
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QUOTE(dopp @ Mar 1 2012, 05:30 PM)
Amazon price dropped beats newegg now:-
Crucial 128 GB m4 2.5-Inch Solid State Drive SATA 6Gb/s CT128M4SSD2 by Crucial
$164.99
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The shipping itself is RM90.. lol.
Might as well just buy from Cyntrix.

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