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post Jun 16 2009, 03:09 PM, updated 16y ago

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m43 is for who?
~ m43 is suitable for people who demand small camera with dSLR picture quality and with interchangeable lens
~ although small, its still not pocketable compare to best compact like LX3, S90, F200EXR, WX1...etc
is this a dSLR?
~ yes and no. Yes in terms of picture quality, its comparable to dSLR (YMMV). No, because dSLR means
there's a mirror reflex system and m43 does not have mirror. That's why its so small.
Olympus or Panasonic?
~ Olympus for people who want in body stabilizer. Panasonic for faster Autofocus.
Price?
~ RM2100 for single lens system (Olympus E-PL1)
Flexible?
~ Yes. By using adapter, you can use any brand of lenses (Olympus , Panasonic, Canon, Nikon etc)

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looks like a leica M...
interesting...
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post Jun 16 2009, 03:25 PM

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Dunno how much is this?
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post Jun 16 2009, 03:28 PM

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technically it is not a dslr..since no mirror.. doh.gif

but,larger sensor than usual compact.. thumbup.gif
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I think we should forego the real technical meaning of a DSLR, and just use it with cameras which have interchangeable lenses and a higher range of configuration options (aperture, metering, etc) that DSLR's have.

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post Jun 16 2009, 03:34 PM

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Compare to G1 with no IS, this one got IS. I think Panasonic G1 no need to sell already.
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post Jun 16 2009, 04:06 PM

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no need to go to the extend of eat dust
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QUOTE(ifer @ Jun 16 2009, 04:06 PM)
no need to go to the extend of eat dust
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post Jun 16 2009, 04:10 PM

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Its based on micro 4/3 system, not a true SLR (no mirror to flex about). So the title is a bit misleading. It definitely has the modern meets retro feel to it. It will attract enthusiast, not sure about the consumers in general though. Don't think it will replace a true SLR or even a compact camera anytime soon though.
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The ISO 3200 sample result looks amazing in DPReview... Arghhhh, seems the same as my E-420 ISO 800, and that's the max I would go with it... sad.gif

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post Jun 16 2009, 04:21 PM

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LX3 plus 24mm f2.0 lens is only rm1500 and EP1 body + kit lens is rm2999 ..so LX3 still have their own market..

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It's a micro four thirds camera. So four third sized sensor = quality like four third sized DSLRs.

You can change lenses but having multiple lenses defeats the purpose of having a compact. Although the lenses are smaller in size it is no less cumbersome to pack multiple lenses.

One disadvantage is that the camera is unable to mount current four thirds lenses without the use of an adapter so you are basically starting off with a new system and have its own lenses to collect.

I think at best it's gonna be a niche market appealing to techy gearheads rather than true photo enthusiast.
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QUOTE(shootkk @ Jun 16 2009, 05:22 PM)
It's a micro four thirds camera. So four third sized sensor = quality like four third sized DSLRs.

You can change lenses but having multiple lenses defeats the purpose of having a compact. Although the lenses are smaller in size it is no less cumbersome to pack multiple lenses.

One disadvantage is that the camera is unable to mount current four thirds lenses without the use of an adapter so you are basically starting off with a new system and have its own lenses to collect.

I think at best it's gonna be a niche market appealing to techy gearheads rather than true photo enthusiast.
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post Jun 16 2009, 04:38 PM

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it'll be great if the managed to squeeze in an internal flash
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post Jun 16 2009, 04:43 PM

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Imagine someone holding a PEN and someone else commenting on it...

"WOW your PENis small!" rolleyes.gif

doh.gif biggrin.gif

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Wow, can use leica M lens to this camera.....but of course using adapter la...
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QUOTE(gogo2 @ Jun 16 2009, 03:34 PM)
Compare to G1 with no IS, this one got IS. I think Panasonic G1 no need to sell already.
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G1 lens got IS whistling.gif
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QUOTE(harrychoo @ Jun 16 2009, 04:59 PM)
G1 lens got IS  whistling.gif
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Yeah. But will all G1 lens have IS? Body IS really reduce cost a lot.
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QUOTE(xandman @ Jun 16 2009, 03:25 PM)
looks like a leica M...
interesting...
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yeah man..
the retro design caught me off guard!
damn this PEN!
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QUOTE(gogo2 @ Jun 16 2009, 05:08 PM)
Yeah. But will all G1 lens have IS? Body IS really reduce cost a lot.
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U think G1 got so many lens meh doh.gif
So far all got IS.

But i'll still get Olympus la, combo with my LX3 rclxms.gif
Unless G1H gonna drop more, then i'll get G1H laugh.gif

Anyway, this need lens converter to use 4/3rd Zuiko lens or not like G1?
I not yet read the article, go back read.
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ill definitely get this over the G1...
it looks like a leica...
and if i mount a leica lens on it...
phhhwwooooaahhhh!!!
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Emmm.. it doesn't make sense to me...

I have a DSLR and a compact camera. When I need to take serious photo, I will get my DSLR and leave compact at home...

Whenever I need camera for casual shooting, I will get a compact camera.. fast and easy! That's the main purpose of getting a compact camera... If get "PEN", have to change lens pulak... -zzz-

Might as well use my DSLR then laugh.gif

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btw u cant call this an slr right? since the mirror mechanism is stripped off now.
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SHit, this camera is making me thinking of getting a cheap DSLR.....or this compact changeable lens system....

btw, the Pen was also launched in kl!

http://www.mycen.com.my/buzz/160609_new_ol...pen_ep1_01.html


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QUOTE(seaotter @ Jun 16 2009, 06:46 PM)
SHit, this camera is making me thinking of getting a cheap DSLR.....or this compact changeable lens system....

btw, the Pen was also launched in kl!

http://www.mycen.com.my/buzz/160609_new_ol...pen_ep1_01.html
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The flash is small and cute. I hope they have promotional price instead of selling at RM2999!!!
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Nice, at last Oly got 3:2 ratio on it. rclxms.gif

And HD video too which much cheaper than the G1H.

But no articulated LCD and built-in EVF for PEN sad.gif

Dunno how much the 4/3rd adapter too


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QUOTE(harrychoo @ Jun 16 2009, 06:58 PM)
Nice, at last Oly got 3:2 ratio on it. rclxms.gif

And HD video too which much cheaper than the G1H.

But no articulated LCD and built-in EVF for PEN  sad.gif

Dunno how much the 4/3rd adapter too
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Personally i dont care about the articulated LCD as it is a bit unwieldy sometimes and is a breakage hazard. Pity about the EVF though, but then the fact that they managed to fit essentially the E-620 into a body of a canon G9 is amazing.


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you sure you want to get this when it's out xandman?
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Oh, shit.
this camera launched in malaysia already??
Deep poison!!

Btw the noise is visible on ISO 400 le

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QUOTE(kimurastanley @ Jun 16 2009, 07:30 PM)
Oh, shit.
this camera launched in malaysia already??
Deep poison!!

Btw the noise is visible on ISO 400 le
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@kimurastanley,
so fast kena poison ah? laugh.gif

i think its a good alternative for ppl who dream to own a leica smile.gif
unless it's almost same price wif leica then no difference tongue.gif
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QUOTE(General_Nic @ Jun 16 2009, 07:51 PM)
@kimurastanley,
so fast kena poison ah?  laugh.gif

i think its a good alternative for ppl who dream to own a leica  smile.gif
unless it's almost same price wif leica then no difference  tongue.gif
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Leica don't have interchangeable lenses do they?
The Price is 800 USD for kit zoom lens, and 900 for pancake + viewfinder

While i WANT the camera now, i would wait a bit until reviews are out, and the price turun sikit.

Besides - money still being collected.
But now i have an alternative to both cheap DSLR AND super/ultrazoom cameras i.e panny's TZ9/ canon's SX200 etc etc
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QUOTE(xandman @ Jun 16 2009, 06:15 PM)
ill definitely get this over the G1...
it looks like a leica...
and if i mount a leica lens on it...
phhhwwooooaahhhh!!!
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yeah, an adapter.
many people did that on G1 also brows.gif
MF all the way biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(joyyy @ Jun 16 2009, 04:43 PM)
Imagine someone holding a PEN and someone else commenting on it...

"WOW your PENis small!"  rolleyes.gif

doh.gif  biggrin.gif
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My PEN have IS (Image Stabilization). LOL.
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QUOTE(gogo2 @ Jun 16 2009, 08:02 PM)
My PEN have IS (Image Stabilization). LOL.
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Also, my PEN(IS) is small, but it can expand big big rclxm9.gif rclxm9.gif rclxm9.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif

(check out the tele zoom lens to get what i mean)
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QUOTE(seaotter @ Jun 16 2009, 08:06 PM)
Also, my PEN(IS) is small, but it can expand big big  rclxm9.gif  rclxm9.gif  rclxm9.gif  laugh.gif  laugh.gif

(check out the tele zoom lens to get what i mean)
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LOL, i think extend long long would b more accurate brows.gif brows.gif tongue.gif tongue.gif
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QUOTE(General_Nic @ Jun 16 2009, 07:51 PM)
@kimurastanley,
so fast kena poison ah?  laugh.gif

i think its a good alternative for ppl who dream to own a leica  smile.gif
unless it's almost same price wif leica then no difference  tongue.gif
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It's so portable le.
If this camera has good review in term of photo quality, then i'll sell all my nikon stuffs and buy this instead rclxms.gif
But all depends on how good this camera is 1st.
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QUOTE(kimurastanley @ Jun 16 2009, 08:29 PM)
It's so portable le.
If this camera has good review in term of photo quality, then i'll sell all my nikon stuffs and buy this instead rclxms.gif
But all depends on how good this camera is 1st.
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Ooo, if u gonna sell your Nikon, will u b selling your other lens? whistling.gif
when that time comes sell me your Sigma cheap cheap~ brows.gif
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finally lx3 lost in the compact king of camera section...no doubt bout it

but wait panasonic to come out with their micro 4/3 camera as well

coz panasonic and olympus joined venture to create mini dslr digicam
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QUOTE(ifer @ Jun 16 2009, 07:26 PM)
you sure you want to get this when it's out xandman?
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after i have recovered from the laptop damage...
then might be...
but then again...at that price i could get a used Hasselblad 500cm or M6 TTL d!
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too many choices...too little $$!
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QUOTE(General_Nic @ Jun 16 2009, 08:33 PM)
Ooo, if u gonna sell your Nikon, will u b selling your other lens?  whistling.gif
when that time comes sell me your Sigma cheap cheap~  brows.gif
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hehe, if really wanna buy this, surely will sell all Nikon items lo tongue.gif
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QUOTE(RoxyGal @ Jun 16 2009, 08:44 PM)
finally lx3 lost in the compact king of camera section...no doubt bout it

but wait panasonic to come out with their micro 4/3 camera as well

coz panasonic and olympus joined venture to create mini dslr digicam
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Roxy, they already did you know. its called the G1, then later on with HD recording, so it became GH1

I would love to get the 14-200 GH1 lens for the P1 though....
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we shall wait and see....but i doubtly taught it is a flop.....so can i join other poison group??
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the HD video samples are the bomb!
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err someone say kl launch already rite? how much and wat included in the package?
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QUOTE(seaotter @ Jun 16 2009, 09:17 PM)
Roxy, they already did you know. its called the G1, then later on with HD recording, so it became GH1

I would love to get the 14-200 GH1 lens for the P1 though....
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g1 is different..what i meant is wait for lx4
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when that would be??? LX 4??? lol day dreaming
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This is a mirrorless interchangeable lens camera. Dont confuse forumers with your DSLR term
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I love the features and size, but low ISO is kinda underwhelming.

And color rendition seems so-so, DSLR overemphasis on certain tones and such all present.


Does Olympus' interface still suck?
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uh god. Just saw the pricing listed on the olympus malaysia facebook.

the body + 14-42 zoom lens - 2999
the body + zoom lens + pancake lens + viewfinder - 3799

This is a bit of a setback for me i think....

blink.gif blink.gif yawn.gif shocking.gif shakehead.gif doh.gif sad.gif

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Eeeek. I guess I'll import the DP2 (~RM2400) instead.
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QUOTE(seaotter @ Jun 17 2009, 12:36 PM)
uh god. Just saw the pricing listed on the olympus malaysia facebook.

the body + 14-42 zoom lens - 2999
the body + zoom lens + pancake lens + viewfinder - 3799

This is a bit of a setback for me i think....

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first day launch ma..later sure drop price one..
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Olympus Malaysia - 2999
Market price - 2700

After 2 months - 2400 thumbup.gif
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QUOTE(harrychoo @ Jun 17 2009, 01:19 PM)
Olympus Malaysia - 2999
Market price - 2700

After 2 months - 2400  thumbup.gif
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yay! Better than buy DP2 right? (I think more E-P1 more feature)

Here is the high ISO comparison between DP2 and E-P1:

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp...essage=32146877
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Hey guys, i found this engineering sketches from another site previewing the P1. Check out the engineering.

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That is some serious engineering mindbogglingness!

Also, i think the thread should be renamed to its real technical term:

New era of Interchangable Lens Digital Camera Olympus E-P1 aka Pen(IS)

....ILDC eh?

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QUOTE(gogo2 @ Jun 17 2009, 01:31 PM)
yay! Better than buy DP2 right? (I think more E-P1 more feature)

Here is the high ISO comparison between DP2 and E-P1:

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp...essage=32146877
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No comparison inside the link lol.

If the E-P1 price goes down to 2.6-2.7k alone with the 17mm F/2.8 + OVF, it'd be a sure buy for me. The zoom lens seems extremely kit-tish if you know what I mean.

Under no circumstance will I pay 3k+ (keyword) for a compact that is nice but doesn't do any crazy things.

Same for the Sigma DPs irregardless of features (2.5k below or GTFO) because the image quality is there.
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QUOTE(X.E.D @ Jun 17 2009, 04:02 PM)
No comparison inside the link lol.

If the E-P1 price goes down to 2.6-2.7k alone with the 17mm F/2.8 + OVF, it'd be a sure buy for me. The zoom lens seems extremely kit-tish if you know what I mean.

Under no circumstance will I pay 3k+ (keyword) for a compact that is nice but doesn't do any crazy things.

Same for the Sigma DPs irregardless of features (2.5k below or GTFO) because the image quality is there.
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Personally i want both the lenses, but not the OVF. i can frame my shots nicely with LCD only. And EVFs are not really same as a true optical viewfinder so...*shrugs*
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July 4 in Singapore, list price 1300SGD (RM3,152.01)

At least we get to see the street price soon lol.
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white body looks cool smile.gif
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QUOTE(X.E.D @ Jun 17 2009, 05:48 PM)
July 4 in Singapore, list price 1300SGD (RM3,152.01)

At least we get to see the street price soon lol.
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XED: which price is that? the 17mm or the zoom lens price?

its going to be 2999 for the body + zoom lens and RM 3799 for the twin lens set + optical viewfinder in malaysia. In early july.


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white body looks cool smile.gif
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And you know what is nice about it? the body is fully metal. Stainless steel body with alu tops.
So nice.

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QUOTE(nairud @ Jun 17 2009, 07:36 AM)
This is a mirrorless interchangeable lens camera. Dont confuse forumers with your DSLR term
another common term is EVIL

EVIL=Electronic Viewfinder, Interchangeable Lenses. biggrin.gif

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QUOTE(goldfries @ Jun 17 2009, 06:50 PM)
another common term is EVIL

EVIL=Electronic Viewfinder, Interchangeable Lenses. biggrin.gif
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BUT, that is only good for the Panasonic camera - they don't have the EVF here biggrin.gif

So this is not EVIL then hahaha rclxm9.gif icon_idea.gif
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oh wait, this one no EVF ah? LOL. hrm......... then ILC liao lor. smile.gif
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RM3k plus for this is a it steep if they are looking at jumpers from compact market.....
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and that's just the STARTING price. not counting lens yet.

most people woul've just considered an SLR, say the Alpha A200 is around RM 1.6k with kit lens. the spare RM 1.4k could be used for flash, additional tele-zoom and prime.

does more wonders than a single camera like this.
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just now just view it info ...

finally it came out !!!


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1300 SGD is the zoom (kit) lens. Ugh.

Looks like they're not selling EP-1 + 17mm together in ASEAN. People like their f***ing zooms here >_>
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QUOTE(goldfries @ Jun 17 2009, 09:47 PM)
and that's just the STARTING price. not counting lens yet.

most people woul've just considered an SLR, say the Alpha A200 is around RM 1.6k with kit lens. the spare RM 1.4k could be used for flash, additional tele-zoom and prime.

does more wonders than a single camera like this.
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Alot people do, but some people are just too afraid of the bulk of DSLRs - even me.
Hence the P1 is quite perfect.

Now i just need to wait for it to go down a wee bit more...
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QUOTE(seaotter @ Jun 17 2009, 10:55 PM)
Alot people do, but some people are just too afraid of the bulk of DSLRs - even me.
Hence the P1 is quite perfect.

Now i just need to wait for it to go down a wee bit more...
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Agree with you. I bought Canon 40D and I find it just too big to bring anywhere. Thus
I sell it and wait for something like this. Initially, was thinking of DP1/DP2. Now this is
more awesome.

Waiting for price drop. if it don't drop price, probably will go for Pentax K-7 sad.gif
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QUOTE(seaotter @ Jun 17 2009, 10:55 PM)
Alot people do, but some people are just too afraid of the bulk of DSLRs - even me.
Hence the P1 is quite perfect.

Now i just need to wait for it to go down a wee bit more...
your post just supported my point - PRICE! it's not worth it at that price point.

could just settle for the LX3 instead.
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QUOTE(goldfries @ Jun 17 2009, 11:21 PM)
your post just supported my point - PRICE! it's not worth it at that price point.

could just settle for the LX3 instead.
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Its an early adopter price anyhow - remember how much higher was the A200 when it first came out? (ok maybe not much. never followed the pricing)
While the price is also a factor, its the physical size of it. If i want an LX3, i'll go for an LX3. But it doesnt have the capability to change lenses - with olympus promising a faster prime lens, a WA lens in the pipeline, i will be very stuck with what i have if i go with fixed lens camera.

This camera is the best of both world - LX3-like size with interchangeable lens. With an adaptor, i can easily fit someone's massive tele lens, then later after i am done, put the body in my shirt pocket (ok, jacket, but you get my point).

This + 17mm lens = best walkabout camera. Much more than the A200 + prime lens. Smaller too.

But this is my opinion so thumbup.gif
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of course if we go by what you posted and not counting the $$$, then of course it's already dead obvious of its advantages la.

but this is not the case, the PRICE AT THIS POINT OF TIME is just not worth it and one could have other options.

check out the bulk orders in TZ, they have the LX3 wide / tele adapters. smile.gif

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Is this thing out already in Malaysia?
It this a gadget or a real camera with good IQ?
A camera that will win a photographer’s heart in no-time as one reviewer put it! hmm.gif
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adapters yes, but not true lenses.

Also, the main problem here is the sensors are two different beings - one is about 40-50mm square big, while the other is about 230mm square big. That difference in information taken in is what i want in the camera.

The P1 should be nice in low-light - and from the sample pics, the images are very workable until ISO6400.
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biggrin.gif why keep defending this Oly E-P1 la? it's not like anyone's disagreeing with you la - it is indeed GOOD but it's just that at this price, no matter how good it is, it's just not worth the $$$ compared to what's available now.

btw i think got that adapter also makes stuff like LX3 more adaptable already.

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Actually i also dunno why i am defending it to the gills lol biggrin.gif
But yeah, this is my next camera, damn the rest what they say about DSLR and whatnot. Coming from a compact world - this is a godsent!

Oh do check out this link http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/EP1/EP1A.HTM and read his love story with the camera biggrin.gif

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i also looking for compact camera ler. smile.gif but most likely LX3 instead of this one........... perhaps something like this for a later upgrade.
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QUOTE(goldfries @ Jun 18 2009, 12:01 AM)
i also looking for compact camera ler. smile.gif but most likely LX3 instead of this one........... perhaps something like this for a later upgrade.
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yeah, if need it now, then LX3. Else, just wait for the price drop. Kakaka... the awesomeness of interchangeable lens with compact
body is just too irresistible... icon_rolleyes.gif
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Aiyah, olympus price drop quite fast 1. Retail 2999 means street will be around 2700.

Wait few more months sure drop till G1 price. Even G1 at RM2400 i think still worth than getting those D40 la, A200 la, etc.

But 1 thing doubtful in the preview (sample unit) is the AF speed, it said similar to E620 and slower than G1.
Hopefully the final product will be faster than it was in the preview else it would be disappointing (even though much better than nikon and canon liveview)
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QUOTE(harrychoo @ Jun 18 2009, 12:06 AM)
Aiyah, olympus price drop quite fast 1. Retail 2999 means street will be around 2700.

Wait few more months sure drop till G1 price. Even G1 at RM2400 i think still worth than getting those D40 la, A200 la, etc.

But 1 thing doubtful in the preview (sample unit) is the AF speed, it said similar to E620 and slower than G1.
Hopefully the final product will be faster than it was in the preview else it would be disappointing (even though much better than nikon and canon liveview)
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I don't care AF speed. I'm slow shooter.
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wah, don't make me happy man. I dun wan to get K-7 coz its still big.  doh.gif
I don't care AF speed. I'm slow shooter.
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AF speed is important la, else it make it like a normal compact camera.

G1 AF is dam fast, i rate it faster than Nikon AF-S, i have an E520 now, so i know the Olympus E-series liveview is definitely slower than the G1.

I sold all my D90 + lenses and get ready for this thing, at last laugh.gif
Superb combo with my LX3
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QUOTE(shootkk @ Jun 16 2009, 04:22 PM)
It's a micro four thirds camera. So four third sized sensor = quality like four third sized DSLRs.

You can change lenses but having multiple lenses defeats the purpose of having a compact. Although the lenses are smaller in size it is no less cumbersome to pack multiple lenses.

One disadvantage is that the camera is unable to mount current four thirds lenses without the use of an adapter so you are basically starting off with a new system and have its own lenses to collect.

I think at best it's gonna be a niche market appealing to techy gearheads rather than true photo enthusiast.
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1) Body + 14-42mm (28-84mm eq) is RM2,999/-
2) Body + twin kit lens 14-42mm (28-84mm eg.) & 17mm (34mm eq) is RM3,799/-

Expensive? Not sure..try compare price with other DSLR with HD movie as benchmark...but to me EP-1 is not a DSLR cos it got no mirror box to reflex...maybe DILC..digital interchangable lens cam?

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no offence but, it's only a camera... and you guys can do a thesis out of it

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QUOTE(ifer @ Jun 18 2009, 12:19 AM)
no offence but, it's only a camera... and you guys can do a thesis out of it
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is like this la, same as car.

car even more thesis and discussion, it's only car laugh.gif
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QUOTE(harrychoo @ Jun 18 2009, 12:13 AM)
AF speed is important la, else it make it like a normal compact camera.

G1 AF is dam fast, i rate it faster than Nikon AF-S, i have an E520 now, so i know the Olympus E-series liveview is definitely slower than the G1.

I sold all my D90 + lenses and get ready for this thing, at last  laugh.gif
Superb combo with my LX3
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ha? did I read it right? You sold all D90 and lens to get ready for E-P1?
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ha? did I read it right? You sold all D90 and lens to get ready for E-P1?
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What is D90 if it only live inside drybox 90% of the time
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nod.gif  nod.gif

What is D90 if it only live inside drybox 90% of the time
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wahahaha... my 40D did that and that's the last time I see it cry.gif that's why, size is very important. E-P1 + 17mm pancake for the win.
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The Prototype! (Click Me!!!)

I have been POISONED!

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The Prototype! (Click Me!!!)

I have been POISONED!
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Not only you. Harry already sold his D90. Even dpreview got poisoned by publishing a lot of preview and video in short time.
Never happened with other Olympus release. This must be the most poisonous product Olympus ever released drool.gif
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QUOTE(goldfries @ Jun 18 2009, 12:01 AM)
i also looking for compact camera ler. smile.gif but most likely LX3 instead of this one........... perhaps something like this for a later upgrade.
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why not g10 but lx3 leh?

hmm.gif hmm.gif hmm.gif rclxm9.gif rclxm9.gif rclxm9.gif
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QUOTE(RoxyGal @ Jun 18 2009, 01:04 AM)
why not g10 but lx3 leh?
LX3 wide
LX3 wider aperture
LX3 smaller

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anyway Olympus is aggressive liao, i went to my blog just now and saw the pop-up ad showing the E-P1. smile.gif
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LX3 vs E-P1?
A Panasonic saleslady tells me that LX3 will be superseded by a newer and better model some time this year. (One of the reason why I opted to buy TZ7.) The chances of this happening will be greater since Olympus introduce the E-P1.
In the world of compacts, Olympus' IQ has nothing to shout, correct me if I'm wrong.
As of now, LX3 vs E-P1, we can only compare the compact size, and pre-production image quality of E-P1.
But the pricing of E-P1 is a major let down!
More expensive than dSLR?

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Wow...attractive!!

It small, light, lens changable, quality like DSLR,classic look(Personally like it), built in IS.....lol...
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Hey guys, i have more pics of the E-P1 for your eyes to see.

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp...essage=32169971 <--- some dude in KL managed to get a unit for review.

user posted image
(the camera concepts before the current form)

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(accessories options)

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(the E-P1 cut in half. Look at the stuff the crammed inside!)

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(an E-3 i presume cut in half. Its so complex....)

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(Panasonic G1 cut in half - same tech/mount - smaller volume usage)

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(The E-P1 with a FT adaptor and lens)

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(the E-P1 with OM adaptor and lens)

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(E-P1 with Panasonic's 14-200 lens)

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Pictures thanks to dc.watch.impress.co.jp
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lol,
how you think 300mm f/2 mount on E-P1 rclxm9.gif
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lol,
how you think 300mm f/2 mount on E-P1 rclxm9.gif
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I tink dat be like a male ballet dancer lah. Too skimpy, with a big bulge in front. shocking.gif And yes he's wearing WHITE tights. biggrin.gif

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QUOTE(HiroBoroi @ Jun 18 2009, 09:05 PM)
I tink dat be like a male ballet dancer lah. Too skimpy, with a big bulge in front.  shocking.gif  And yes he's wearing WHITE tights.  biggrin.gif

[img]http://www.quaytickets.com/Images/Carlos%20MAIN.jpg[/img
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haha... typo,
its f/2.8 instead of f/2
this E-p1 using ZD lens mount kan, so... 300mm f/2.8 not a problem there brows.gif
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I just have an issue with the way they're marketing this camera. They say it's the best of both worlds (SLR and Compact) in a small package, but...

The lens doesn't retract so it's not a compact package when carrying around. (yes yes.. small when compared to an SLR)

But the main place that I feel that it fails to live up to the "convinience of a compact" factor is that there's no built in Flash! Would a non enthusiast photog want a 'compact' where you have to remember to pack the flash?
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QUOTE(marauderz @ Jun 18 2009, 08:23 PM)
I just have an issue with the way they're marketing this camera. They say it's the best of both worlds (SLR and Compact) in a small package, but...

The lens doesn't retract so it's not a compact package when carrying around. (yes yes.. small when compared to an SLR)

But the main place that I feel that it fails to live up to the "convinience of a compact" factor is that there's no built in Flash! Would a non enthusiast photog want a 'compact' where you have to remember to pack the flash?
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The LX3 doesnt have a flash. People (enthusiasts) still flock to buy it.
Also, the ISO performance is already good, that the time you really need a flash baru you use a flash. A bounce flash even. Direct flash is too harsh la.
The compactness is to compare a SLR, not a compact camera. Actually the lens can be changed i.e. taken off, so the camera is very flat when there is no lens. And the 14-42 mm (x2 to get 35mm range) zoom lens is collapsable, so there is your retracting lens biggrin.gif

edit: ugh, should have seen the NON in the non-enthusiast. In any case, this is not for everybody i admit. But if they can show those non-enthusiasts that they can print good pics without flash, i know ppl will buy it. Have you seen the sample pics at www.dpreview.com ? the ISO performance is nice!


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While I agree that it has some great high ISO performance end of the day is, who's the target market?

For us enthusist who want more in a slightly smaller camera?

Or for our non enthusiast spouses who when told they can take our the lens to make it smaller so it can fit in their handbags, would probably put the two things in their hand bags then smack us over the head with it.

Not to mention... the PRICE!!
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The LX3 doesnt have a flash. People (enthusiasts) still flock to buy it.
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Sorry ah...which country you buy LX3 have no built-in flash? Are we talking about the Panasonic LUMIX DMC-LX3?

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QUOTE(marauderz @ Jun 18 2009, 09:12 PM)
While I agree that it has some great high ISO performance end of the day is, who's the target market?

For us enthusist who want more in a slightly smaller camera?

Or for our non enthusiast spouses who when told they can take our the lens to make it smaller so it can fit in their handbags, would probably put the two things in their hand bags then smack us over the head with it.

Not to mention... the PRICE!!
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I presume it will be for those pro-sumer owners, rather than those tiny ixus users. But then, maybe the tiny ixus users want to get better camera or something?

QUOTE(DarkNite @ Jun 18 2009, 09:25 PM)
Sorry ah...which country you buy LX3 have no built-in flash? Are we talking about the Panasonic LUMIX DMC-LX3?
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Geh, I made an information mistake there. Sorry notworthy.gif sad.gif
What I think I meant to say is LX3 doesnt have viewfinder - ppl still buy it.
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i think canon will be pressured to released its own version of micro four third camera.. so the more competitions in the market, hopefully the price will be down..
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i think canon will be pressured to released its own version of micro four third camera.. so the more competitions in the market, hopefully the price will be down..
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if canon make 4/3 system
i think what mount will be used,
EF 4/3 laugh.gif
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APS-C Sensor is big la. Susah want to shove into a Canon G10 body. And from the "heated discussion" i am following in another channel, they want an EVF and no LCD. dunno why - i can live with only LCD, but EVF not bad also. So canon needs to listen to the customers if they want to go against Olympus.
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QUOTE(seaotter @ Jun 18 2009, 09:46 PM)
What I think I meant to say is LX3 doesnt have viewfinder - ppl still buy it.
er, that's because it's a compact! people buy compacts don't care about viewfinder. biggrin.gif

anyway with lens on like 14-140, the fella looks rather big. defeats the purpose already.

i was thinking la. the weight of the lens + EP1 would be on the lens. furthermore more no EVF so you have to hold it in such a way you can view the screen and zoom. might be inconvenient, just a thought. smile.gif
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That's why I'm wondering whose the market for the camera?

Let's face it most of us who do photography as a hobby can only support one system of lenses. And if they could afford the PEN as well, they would be constantly asking themselves why not just buy another body?

Then for most of the people who are currently using compacts the first thing that would probably hit them in the face is the sticker shock, then when they realize that the camera isn't as thin, has as high a zoom as their current compact, doesn't have a flash. What would they think?

It feels quite a niche product to me.

I guess people who are getting into the hobby might consider getting it instead of a SLR.
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QUOTE(gogo2 @ Jun 18 2009, 01:00 AM)
Not only you. Harry already sold his D90. Even dpreview got poisoned by publishing a lot of preview and video in short time.
Never happened with other Olympus release. This must be the most poisonous product Olympus ever released  drool.gif
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seriously? Harry sold his D90 already (btw, who's harry??)? really planning to get the E-P1? is the full accessories out already? alot of things need to be considered also...

QUOTE(marauderz @ Jun 18 2009, 10:49 PM)
That's why I'm wondering whose the market for the camera?

Let's face it most of us who do photography as a hobby can only support one system of lenses. And if they could afford the PEN as well, they would be constantly asking themselves why not just buy another body?

Then for most of the people who are currently using compacts the first thing that would probably hit them in the face is the sticker shock, then when they realize that the camera isn't as thin, has as high a zoom as their current compact, doesn't have a flash. What would they think?

It feels quite a niche product to me.

I guess people who are getting into the hobby might consider getting it instead of a SLR.
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I guess it's not for all people.. for me, I'd still stick to my current DSLR since I'm already used to it... It's a good system for those who's getting into photography and wants a smaller body...

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QUOTE(goldfries @ Jun 18 2009, 10:36 PM)
er, that's because it's a compact! people buy compacts don't care about viewfinder. biggrin.gif

anyway with lens on like 14-140, the fella looks rather big. defeats the purpose already.

i was thinking la. the weight of the lens + EP1 would be on the lens. furthermore more no EVF so you have to hold it in such a way you can view the screen and zoom. might be inconvenient, just a thought. smile.gif
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Actually from what i read - the lens is very light, and most of the weight is on the body. Saw pics of ppl using it and i dont see any problem. Even so, ppl will get used to the usage stance after a few shots anyway.

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That's why I'm wondering whose the market for the camera?

Let's face it most of us who do photography as a hobby can only support one system of lenses. And if they could afford the PEN as well, they would be constantly asking themselves why not just buy another body?

Then for most of the people who are currently using compacts the first thing that would probably hit them in the face is the sticker shock, then when they realize that the camera isn't as thin, has as high a zoom as their current compact, doesn't have a flash. What would they think?

It feels quite a niche product to me.

I guess people who are getting into the hobby might consider getting it instead of a SLR.
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Yeah. Its for ppl who are choosing between slrs. They want the IQ, but not the bulk - like me.
Which is why i am fanboying like crazy lolol.

Seeing the camera is reaching our shores next month - cant wait to see how it feels like.



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I wonder how's the autofocus performance? Isit using contrast detection like the compact cam?
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just for your info....iinm samsung working on a mirrorless SLR using APS-C sensor...
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QUOTE(enhaw82 @ Jun 19 2009, 12:27 AM)
just for your info....iinm samsung working on a mirrorless SLR using APS-C sensor...
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Personally, i like the retro look of the Pen better. But that is just me.
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QUOTE(Braynumb @ Jun 18 2009, 10:53 PM)
seriously? Harry sold his D90 already (btw, who's harry??)? really planning to get the E-P1? is the full accessories out already? alot of things need to be considered also...
I guess it's not for all people.. for me, I'd still stick to my current DSLR since I'm already used to it... It's a good system for those who's getting into photography and wants a smaller body...
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if anybody buy this....may i borrow it....sighh....POISON!!!!!!!!!
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my informer told me the body is full Metal solid.. only the lens is plastic..IS got IS mode 1 ,2 ,and 3

will molest it during TT..huhuhu

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http://photorumors.com/2009/06/17/the-guts...3-olympus-e-p1/

Unfortunately its not a full metal body. BUT it is rock solid so it still good.
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Whichever way you look at it, it will still be a niche market.

PnS users will still stick to their PnS, especially if they do not want the hassle of changing lenses.

Pro users will ask why buy a micro four thirds when you already have a full fledged DSLR?

Which leaves the niche market for pro users who just want to use it with the pancake lens on - that's the only time it's really compact in size - and for gear heads who like the novelty.

Mounting it with normal four thirds telephoto lenses with an adapter will make the camera feels really off balance in weight. And how will you hold it? The weight will be on the lens weighing it down towards the front. It's compact size will make it hard to grip steadily plus it has no viewfinder so you have to hold it at arms length to see the LCD to compose - all of which makes for a really strange pose.
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Camera body is getting smaller and smaller, but the lens are still bulky. So theres not much different when you mount it with some after market lenses smile.gif and price to pay is scrifice of the pictures quality. Maybe will attract some techies gearhead for a short while.

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QUOTE(zarule7 @ Jun 19 2009, 04:48 AM)
if anybody buy this....may i borrow it....sighh....POISON!!!!!!!!!
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Borrow I don't think can la... but "Molest" can la... hehehe... I wan to join also!

QUOTE(gogo2 @ Jun 19 2009, 12:45 AM)
read back a few post before that post of mine. Harry usernick is harrychoo.
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got it... knows who harry is now... but seriously... selling off his D90 for this? damn... now that's someone who's been poisoned KAWKAW
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QUOTE(shootkk @ Jun 19 2009, 11:31 AM)
Whichever way you look at it, it will still be a niche market.

PnS users will still stick to their PnS, especially if they do not want the hassle of changing lenses.

Pro users will ask why buy a micro four thirds when you already have a full fledged DSLR?

Which leaves the niche market for pro users who just want to use it with the pancake lens on - that's the only time it's really compact in size - and for gear heads who like the novelty.

Mounting it with normal four thirds telephoto lenses with an adapter will make the camera feels really off balance in weight. And how will you hold it? The weight will be on the lens weighing it down towards the front. It's compact size will make it hard to grip steadily plus it has no viewfinder so you have to hold it at arms length to see the LCD to compose - all of which makes for a really strange pose.
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No need to change lens that often. Pro user who buy E-P1 is those who getting sick of lugging around big dSLR.
They can just buy E-P1 instead of compact camera.

By the way, I can see that there's a lot of people who wants a dSLR quality in compact bodies. That's not niche market I think.
I think the market for this type of people is huge. I would say girl who want good quality camera will go for this. As a matter
of fact, I'm also being poisoned kaw kaw. At first I thought of getting K-7 since its small. But this is dream come true.

Conclusion:- This will be big. Majority of people will go for E-P1 instead of dSLR now.

QUOTE(yehlai @ Jun 19 2009, 12:22 PM)
Camera body is getting smaller and smaller, but the lens are still bulky. So theres not much different when you mount it with some after market lenses smile.gif and price to pay is scrifice of the pictures quality. Maybe will attract some techies gearhead for a short while.
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That's why I'm aiming for pancake 17mm f/2.8.
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QUOTE(Braynumb @ Jun 19 2009, 12:29 PM)
Borrow I don't think can la... but "Molest" can la... hehehe... I wan to join also!
got it... knows who harry is now... but seriously... selling off his D90 for this? damn... now that's someone who's been poisoned KAWKAW
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it's not the matter being poisoned or not.

it just a photographer finally knows what he want and what type of camera suit him best.

having said that, frankly i still prefer G1 over E-P1 in term of usability but E-P1 have video over G1 (and G1H too expensive).
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QUOTE(harrychoo @ Jun 19 2009, 01:09 PM)
it's not the matter being poisoned or not.

it just a photographer finally knows what he want and what type of camera suit him best.

having said that, frankly i still prefer G1 over E-P1 in term of usability but E-P1 have video over G1 (and G1H too expensive).
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you really sold the DSLR after saw this P1? Really enthusiast.
Shere some shoots here and poison more people laugh.gif

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QUOTE(yehlai @ Jun 19 2009, 01:13 PM)
you really sold the DSLR after saw this P1? Really enthusiast.
Shere some shoots here and poison more people laugh.gif
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Not really, I sold few months ago already as I already decided to go for mFT.

Tried G1, impressed and feel want to buy it. Pros : EVF, fast focusing, good grip, nice articulating LCD, built in flash. Cons : No video.
Decided to wait for Olympus and see what they offer on their lineup.

Price around RM2700 for E-P1 is still quite steep to be honest, so I'll wait a while for the price to drop before getting it.
Hopefully can get it before Oct for my Bali trip, else I'll settle it wth my LX3 and wait for more mFT camera from Panasonic and Olympus.
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like i say the price will definitely drop and be patient..and using Ep1 with 4/3 lens is just a bonus..ep1 will have their own m43 lens line up... 14-42 and 17mm is just the beginning..+ 7-14 from panasonic m43 also cool..these lens are all m43 and interchangeable..
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Really wish Olympus will release a black 17mm Pancake so I can use it with my E-420... sad.gif Then I'll have nice walkaround focal range, 17, 25, 50... smile.gif
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QUOTE(gogo2 @ Jun 19 2009, 12:59 PM)
No need to change lens that often. Pro user who buy E-P1 is those who getting sick of lugging around big dSLR.
They can just buy E-P1 instead of compact camera.

By the way, I can see that there's a lot of people who wants a dSLR quality in compact bodies. That's not niche market I think.
I think the market for this type of people is huge. I would say girl who want good quality camera will go for this. As a matter
of fact, I'm also being poisoned kaw kaw. At first I thought of getting K-7 since its small. But this is dream come true.

Conclusion:- This will be big. Majority of people will go for E-P1 instead of dSLR now.
That's why I'm aiming for pancake 17mm f/2.8.
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That's what I say ler... pro with DSLR will only get the E-P1 with a pancake lens for portability and convenience. To stand in for their compacts. Other lenses and accessories are non-priority items. It not like they are gonna get another system or replace their existing DSLR. It's like "I'm going to a party/clubbing and I don't wanna lug my DSLR around so the E-P1 (with pancake lens) will do as I can carry it in my pocket." kinda thing. Not like - "I am into landscape/sports/wedding photography and I don't like big DSLR... so I am gonna get the E-P1 instead!"

If the market is that large, the G1 and the GH1 would have exploded ler before the E-P1. The G1 is the first micro-four thirds system camera in the market and it has an electronic viewfinder too, which the E-P1 lacks. Not to mention a fully articulating LCD!

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QUOTE(shootkk @ Jun 19 2009, 02:28 PM)
That's what I say ler... pro with DSLR will only get the E-P1 with a pancake lens for portability and convenience. To stand in for their compacts. Other lenses and accessories are non-priority items. It not like they are gonna get another system or replace their existing DSLR. It's like "I'm going to a party/clubbing and I don't wanna lug my DSLR around so the E-P1 (with pancake lens) will do as I can carry it in my pocket." kinda thing. Not like - "I am into landscape/sports/wedding photography and I don't like big DSLR... so I am gonna get the E-P1 instead!"

If the market is that large, the G1 and the GH1 would have exploded ler before the E-P1. The G1 is the first micro-four thirds system camera in the market and it has an electronic viewfinder too, which the E-P1 lacks. Not to mention a fully articulating LCD!
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There is another very small (i admit) subset of people who would love the E-P1.

Ultrazoom/prosumer users. I am not talking about LX3 or similar - i am talking about Pana's TZ7/Canon's S-series users.
They know the power of manual settings. But the sensors in their cameras are not up to par yet - so the E-P1 is a very viable way to keep their camera's form factor, and yet have the power of a larger sensor - and changable lens to boot.

but then, there are people who are fed-up with lugging back-pack full of dslr stuff. Now they only need to carry a pouch for the camera! biggrin.gif


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QUOTE(shootkk @ Jun 19 2009, 02:28 PM)
That's what I say ler... pro with DSLR will only get the E-P1 with a pancake lens for portability and convenience. To stand in for their compacts. Other lenses and accessories are non-priority items. It not like they are gonna get another system or replace their existing DSLR. It's like "I'm going to a party/clubbing and I don't wanna lug my DSLR around so the E-P1 (with pancake lens) will do as I can carry it in my pocket." kinda thing. Not like - "I am into landscape/sports/wedding photography and I don't like big DSLR... so I am gonna get the E-P1 instead!"

If the market is that large, the G1 and the GH1 would have exploded ler before the E-P1. The G1 is the first micro-four thirds system camera in the market and it has an electronic viewfinder too, which the E-P1 lacks. Not to mention a fully articulating LCD!
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maybe i can be the sample laugh.gif

i'm the one who "like to travel but dun want to carry a big ass camera, like to yumcha without a attention seeker big ass camera but still want better quality than compact" and "occasionally like the flexibility of changing to longer lens for event purpose like concert and candid shots"

and i think this camera is the perfect partner for ppl that like to blog nod.gif
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QUOTE(harrychoo @ Jun 19 2009, 02:49 PM)
maybe i can be the sample  laugh.gif

i'm the one who "like to travel but dun want to carry a big ass camera, like to yumcha without a attention seeker big ass camera but still want better quality than compact" and "occasionally like the flexibility of changing to longer lens for event purpose like concert and candid shots"

and i think this camera is the perfect partner for ppl that like to blog  nod.gif
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So we are two of a kind then biggrin.gif

What is your current camera?
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QUOTE(harrychoo @ Jun 19 2009, 02:49 PM)
maybe i can be the sample  laugh.gif

i'm the one who "like to travel but dun want to carry a big ass camera, like to yumcha without a attention seeker big ass camera but still want better quality than compact" and "occasionally like the flexibility of changing to longer lens for event purpose like concert and candid shots"

and i think this camera is the perfect partner for ppl that like to blog  nod.gif
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Ya lor... the market appeals to people who thinks the same as you. I am not saying that this is wrong. It's prefectly ok but truth is how many people will have the same kind of thinking? Niche market lor.

You're looking for better IQ because you have been exposed to the DSLR IQ range before and can never go back to PnS.

For the average PnS user, most of them don't care that much about IQ. You see them talking about size lah, megapixels lah, how many times zoom lah, design lah and what not. So given the price range of the EP-1, it will only appeal to a subset of these PnS users as the price is on the high side compared even to entry level DSLR.

I won't be the least bit surprised if a typical AhBeng PnS user goes like:

PnS user : Wah! This E-P1 very nice leh. How many times zoom ar, this camera?
Shopkeeper : This kit lens is 14-40mm so about 3x zoom.
PnS user : Wahlau! So big lens only 3x zoom ar? Other camera with so big lens can go 18x zoom leh!
Shopkeeper : You can get a telephoto lens if you want to zoom further. Can change lenses one, this camera!
PnS user : Wah! Now the view is zoomed in. How to get back to the wide view?
Shopkeeper : That one have to change lens again..
PnS user : Hah?! Change again ar... why so mafan one? Better I buy the other camera... rclxub.gif
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LOL...some of the arguments really funny.
Actually all cameras are niche market if you think about it. You want a big ass camera, get a DSLR, you want a small ass camera get a P&S, you want something medium - get the Pen.... rclxms.gif

Why so work up over a product? No one product will please everyone. What you think works for you then buy it, and remember what works for you doesnt mean it works for others. There is no logic in the decision making.

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does anybody know how long does the battery lasts? and for what image resolution?

I've always bought Olympus, and one of the main reasons is because of their really really long battery life. so many shots at one time. really a life-saver for me.
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Ya lor... the market appeals to people who thinks the same as you. I am not saying that this is wrong. It's prefectly ok but truth is how many people will have the same kind of thinking? Niche market lor.

You're looking for better IQ because you have been exposed to the DSLR IQ range before and can never go back to PnS.

For the average PnS user, most of them don't care that much about IQ. You see them talking about size lah, megapixels lah, how many times zoom lah, design lah and what not. So given the price range of the EP-1, it will only appeal to a subset of these PnS users as the price is on the high side compared even to entry level DSLR.

I won't be the least bit surprised if a typical AhBeng PnS user goes like:

PnS user : Wah! This E-P1 very nice leh. How many times zoom ar, this camera?
Shopkeeper : This kit lens is 14-40mm so about 3x zoom.
PnS user : Wahlau! So big lens only 3x zoom ar? Other camera with so big lens can go 18x zoom leh!
Shopkeeper : You can get a telephoto lens if you want to zoom further. Can change lenses one, this camera!
PnS user : Wah! Now the view is zoomed in. How to get back to the wide view?
Shopkeeper : That one have to change lens again..
PnS user : Hah?! Change again ar... why so mafan one? Better I buy the other camera...  rclxub.gif
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Firstly, this one will have dSLR IQ. That's why its easier for dSLR people to move to this camera.
Second, its so small that you can bring it anywhere.
So this will definitely move a lot of dSLR people who want smaller camera to E-P1.

I actually believe this is breakthrough product. People who waited at the side line to buy dSLR but decide otherwise because of the bulk might be
scrambling to buy this camera.

QUOTE(idoblu @ Jun 19 2009, 04:50 PM)
LOL...some of the arguments really funny.
Actually all cameras are niche market if you think about it. You want a big ass camera, get a DSLR, you want a small ass camera get a P&S, you want something medium - get the Pen.... rclxms.gif

Why so work up over a product? No one product will please everyone. What you think works for you then buy it, and remember what works for you doesnt mean it works for others. There is no logic in the decision making.
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QUOTE(C-Fu @ Jun 19 2009, 06:15 PM)
does anybody know how long does the battery lasts? and for what image resolution?

I've always bought Olympus, and one of the main reasons is because of their really really long battery life. so many shots at one time. really a life-saver for me.
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300 pics only.

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QUOTE(RoxyGal @ Jun 19 2009, 08:14 PM)
booked a unit... with 2 kits lense and flash...cant wait for it....
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QUOTE(RoxyGal @ Jun 19 2009, 07:14 PM)
booked a unit... with 2 kits lense and flash...cant wait for it....
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OMG!!! I still remember you're the first person who take up Panasonic LX3. Congratulations! Post some pics and do some review. drool.gif
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QUOTE(C-Fu @ Jun 19 2009, 06:15 PM)
does anybody know how long does the battery lasts? and for what image resolution?

I've always bought Olympus, and one of the main reasons is because of their really really long battery life. so many shots at one time. really a life-saver for me.
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i thought Casio has the best long lasting battery.. although their camera not famous here..
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QUOTE(shootkk @ Jun 19 2009, 04:38 PM)
Ya lor... the market appeals to people who thinks the same as you. I am not saying that this is wrong. It's prefectly ok but truth is how many people will have the same kind of thinking? Niche market lor.

You're looking for better IQ because you have been exposed to the DSLR IQ range before and can never go back to PnS.

For the average PnS user, most of them don't care that much about IQ. You see them talking about size lah, megapixels lah, how many times zoom lah, design lah and what not. So given the price range of the EP-1, it will only appeal to a subset of these PnS users as the price is on the high side compared even to entry level DSLR.

I won't be the least bit surprised if a typical AhBeng PnS user goes like:

PnS user : Wah! This E-P1 very nice leh. How many times zoom ar, this camera?
Shopkeeper : This kit lens is 14-40mm so about 3x zoom.
PnS user : Wahlau! So big lens only 3x zoom ar? Other camera with so big lens can go 18x zoom leh!
Shopkeeper : You can get a telephoto lens if you want to zoom further. Can change lenses one, this camera!
PnS user : Wah! Now the view is zoomed in. How to get back to the wide view?
Shopkeeper : That one have to change lens again..
PnS user : Hah?! Change again ar... why so mafan one? Better I buy the other camera...  rclxub.gif
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i agree with shootkk.... If one is really into photography, he/she will not complain about the size of DSLR or wht ever. However, i will still get this PEN for events where i can't bring along my bulky DSLR and still get a good quality photos. I see no reason why getting a d90 then selling it off to get this PEN. My guess would be he/she attracted to the style of this PEN and sold his dslr to fund for this, a typical gearhead.
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Look like this is the alternative solution for my sister who always wanted good quality dslr-like photos but not so heavy n big.

Few times she wanted to get DSLR but to think she need to bring such big camera everytime.. she afraid it might end up at home most of d time.

I suggest her LX-3 or G1, since for her.. she says price is not a problem.. indeed d more expensive the better sleep.gif" but for her G1 still too big!

I hope she will b getting this one so i can play with it. heheh.. but first i need to make sure it is worth it.. so she will not kill me for recommend her this. So need to check more review first hehe.
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QUOTE(RoxyGal @ Jun 19 2009, 07:14 PM)
booked a unit... with 2 kits lense and flash...cant wait for it....
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Fast you get poisoned. You get from Shashinki rite? Mind to share how much for twin lens?
Should be RM4500+ i think.
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QUOTE(clivengu @ Jun 20 2009, 12:54 AM)
Few times she wanted to get DSLR but to think she need to bring such big camera everytime.. she afraid it might end up at home most of d time.
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QUOTE(navilink @ Jun 19 2009, 11:36 PM)
i thought Casio has the best long lasting battery.. although their camera not famous here..
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I have one casio point n shoot, forgot the model. The exilim type. battery life is good for the size, but not as great as my olympus super zoom.

with 4 AA batteries i managed about 400-500 pics. perfect camera for travelling IMO, as I could zoom as close as I want to, and never run out of power as AA batteries are everywhere.
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QUOTE(hellfire8888 @ Jun 19 2009, 07:48 PM)
how much dude
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wat dude?wanna get a the panasonic dslr but it's too big for me...so get a ep-1
booked d..no stock yet....dont know the real price yet...

QUOTE(gogo2 @ Jun 19 2009, 07:56 PM)
OMG!!! I still remember you're the first person who take up Panasonic LX3. Congratulations! Post some pics and do some review.  drool.gif
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later i make a new ep-1 thread for lyn user lor..kekekek

hopefully..panasonic wont make their own micro 4/3rd cam so soon....


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QUOTE(RoxyGal @ Jun 20 2009, 03:40 AM)
later i make a new ep-1 thread for lyn user lor..kekekek
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Have a malaysian's POV of the E-P1

Also guys, check out this ISO comparison of the E-P1, Canon 500D, Olympus's E-30, Nikon D5000 and Panasonic's GH1

http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/EP1/EP1A.HTM

Staggering!

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QUOTE(seaotter @ Jun 20 2009, 01:03 PM)
http://thru-the-zuiko.blogspot.com/

Have a malaysian's POV of the E-P1

Also guys, check out this ISO comparison of the E-P1, Canon 500D, Olympus's E-30, Nikon D5000 and Panasonic's GH1

http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/EP1/EP1A.HTM

Staggering!
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The 14-42mm kitlens is already converted to 35mm equivalent or is it 28-84mm in 35mm





QUOTE(seaotter @ Jun 16 2009, 07:59 PM)
Leica don't have interchangeable lenses do they?
The Price is 800 USD for kit zoom lens, and 900 for pancake + viewfinder

While i WANT the camera now, i would wait a bit until reviews are out, and the price turun sikit.

Besides - money still being collected.
But now i have an alternative to both cheap DSLR AND super/ultrazoom cameras i.e panny's TZ9/ canon's SX200 etc etc
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Leica dont have intechangeable lens???? Even got lens for rm50k ler. laugh.gif





QUOTE(RoxyGal @ Jun 19 2009, 07:14 PM)
booked a unit... with 2 kits lense and flash...cant wait for it....
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Woot! Roxy divorced the LX3 oredi?

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sorry to post here. i couldnt find any gh1 thread.
anyone know when lumix gh1 coming to msia market ? and i heard its around 4500-5k, is that true ? thats really expensive .
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QUOTE(seaotter @ Jun 20 2009, 01:03 PM)
http://thru-the-zuiko.blogspot.com/

Have a malaysian's POV of the E-P1

Also guys, check out this ISO comparison of the E-P1, Canon 500D, Olympus's E-30, Nikon D5000 and Panasonic's GH1

http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/EP1/EP1A.HTM

Staggering!
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wow awesome! i beg to differ in the Detail Comparison, i think E-P1 (left) is more detailed than 500D (right)!!!

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wow awesome! i beg to differ in the Detail Comparison, i think E-P1 (left) is more detailed than 500D (right)!!!

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With this kind of performance (better than dSLR), no wonder people are scrambling to get their hand on one.
I think I might get one soon... hopefully.... icon_rolleyes.gif
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QUOTE(AlphaBeta @ Jun 20 2009, 12:39 AM)
i agree with shootkk.... If one is really into photography, he/she will not complain about the size of DSLR or wht ever. However, i will still get this PEN for events where i can't bring along my bulky DSLR and still get a good quality photos. I see no reason why getting a d90 then selling it off to get this PEN. My guess would be he/she attracted to the style of this PEN and sold his dslr to fund for this, a typical gearhead.
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1st bold : So DSLR is the only way if someone really into photography? laugh.gif

2nd bold : Sorry to prove u wrong tongue.gif
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QUOTE(ianho @ Jun 20 2009, 03:27 PM)
The 14-42mm kitlens is already converted to 35mm equivalent or is it 28-84mm in 35mm
Leica dont have intechangeable lens????  Even got lens for rm50k ler.  laugh.gif
Woot! Roxy divorced the LX3 oredi?
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noler...both different type of camera..still using it
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i got a good feeling that the FL-14 flash will work on the LX3 too...then can share share....smile.gif
now i regret a bit didnt get the silver LX3 sweat.gif

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Oh, full Singapore prices out. Saw it on Hardwarezone.sg.

1299 (14-42)
1499 (17 + VF) ... wtf
1599 (14-42 + 17 + VF)
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Yeah, E-P1 is quite expensive since its just introduced. And furthermore, price drop will be slow because of the demand is high.

But I don't dig 17mm f/2.8 anymore. Because 20mm f/1.7 has come out:
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QUOTE(gogo2 @ Jun 21 2009, 11:57 AM)
Yeah, E-P1 is quite expensive since its just introduced. And furthermore, price drop will be slow because of the demand is high.

But I don't dig 17mm f/2.8 anymore. Because 20mm f/1.7 has come out:
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Imagine fast lens in small body  drool.gif
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Any idea on how much it is?

was thinking of getting the zoom kitlens only for now.

Also maybe in the future, someone owning a G1 or from ebay, i want to get the 14-140. Just for the heck of it lol.


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QUOTE(harrychoo @ Jun 21 2009, 12:28 AM)
1st bold : So DSLR is the only way if someone really into photography?  laugh.gif

2nd bold : Sorry to prove u wrong  tongue.gif
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I agree with harry. SLR is not the only way to enjoy photography. I use all kinds of cameras n I do enjoy photography very much. Even old ancient film cameras are fun for me.






QUOTE(idoblu @ Jun 21 2009, 08:43 AM)
i got a good feeling that the FL-14 flash will work on the LX3 too...then can share share....smile.gif
now i regret a bit didnt get the silver LX3 sweat.gif

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Can work oso pointless mar. FL-14 is most likely GN14 as most times they name it after GN power. The LX3 already has a GN11 built in flash so it'll be pretty pointless to buy a GN14 flash.





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Oh, full Singapore prices out. Saw it on Hardwarezone.sg.

1299 (14-42)
1499 (17 + VF) ... wtf
1599 (14-42 + 17 + VF)
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The 1599 package is pretty yummy. Well worth the 300 for the 17mm + VF.
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QUOTE(ianho @ Jun 21 2009, 12:54 PM)
I agree with harry. SLR is not the only way to enjoy photography. I use all kinds of cameras n I do enjoy photography very much. Even old ancient film cameras are fun for me.
Can work oso pointless mar. FL-14 is most likely GN14 as most times they name it after GN power. The LX3 already has a GN11 built in flash so it'll be pretty pointless to buy a GN14 flash.
The 1599 package is pretty yummy. Well worth the 300 for the 17mm + VF.
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From that price - the singaporeans are getting it a bit more expensive than us.
Olympus Malaysia's facebook page (yep, facebook) has the same full set at 3799


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I just saw this and I'm getting very appalled again. WTF is this love-hate relationship with the E-P1...


"Watanabe explained the extent to which the company has gone to minimize size, including automatic correction of distortion: "We are doing distortion corrections. Panasonic is doing this and likewise we're doing the same to allow us to make the lens smaller."

LX3 redux? I want to puke. These people need to learn from either Ricoh or Sigma, just STFU and make proper optics.



p/s: If they forgo correction for the 17mm they're forgiven. biggrin.gif

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QUOTE(RoxyGal @ Jun 20 2009, 03:40 AM)
wat dude?wanna get a the panasonic dslr but it's too big for me...so get a ep-1
booked d..no stock yet....dont know the real price yet...
later i make a new ep-1 thread for lyn user lor..kekekek
panasonic got DSLR? if referring to the change lens one, it's not DSLR. smile.gif

QUOTE(harrychoo @ Jun 21 2009, 12:28 AM)
1st bold : So DSLR is the only way if someone really into photography?  laugh.gif

2nd bold : Sorry to prove u wrong  tongue.gif
i think you misunderstood what the fella was saying. biggrin.gif

btw i use Powershot A1000 and my N81 for photography. hu hu........... very backwards.

QUOTE(yehlai @ Jun 19 2009, 01:13 PM)
you really sold the DSLR after saw this P1? Really enthusiast.
Shere some shoots here and poison more people laugh.gif
selling off DSLR to buy P1 doesn't make anyone more or less an "enthusiast". smile.gif

QUOTE(harrychoo @ Jun 19 2009, 02:49 PM)
and i think this camera is the perfect partner for ppl that like to blog  nod.gif


why people keep thinking small size stuff good for blogger la? smile.gif

seriously it's not a matter of blog or not, it's a matter of preference (eg, convenience of carrying around vs blog content requirement)

personally i think a good phone camera is still best la for people who like to write about things.
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is it the noise performance much more better then d5000??? if that so...damn cool weyh.....sigh....just bought dlux4....now tempted to buy this....crap..... =(
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is there really a need to compare this with any DSLR?
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goldfries, if I am not mistaken, Panasonic used to have a full size DSLR (aps-c). I was not famous at all... they probably had one model I think.
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QUOTE(goldfries @ Jun 21 2009, 09:44 PM)
is there really a need to compare this with any DSLR?
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btw, not all people enjoying viewing live view LCD, and not all people would like to pay extra for the "view finder"
some people enjoy viewing "'lens reflected' view finder" laugh.gif

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QUOTE(soulfly @ Jun 21 2009, 08:54 PM)
goldfries, if I am not mistaken, Panasonic used to have a full size DSLR (aps-c). I was not famous at all... they probably had one model I think.
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Yep

Panasonic DMC-L1 and L10.
Used L10 before. not bad lah
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QUOTE(goldfries @ Jun 21 2009, 08:44 PM)
is there really a need to compare this with any DSLR?
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Even their marketing materials keep comparing this as a revolutionary DSLR replacement mar, that's why people are going to keep comparing it with DSLRs.


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btw, not all people enjoying viewing live view LCD, and not all people would like to pay extra for the "view finder"
some people enjoy viewing "'lens reflected' view finder"  laugh.gif
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I think it was the Imaging Resource hands on that mentioned that the extra view finder is for the Ultrawide lens cause the Live View image cannot give a good depiction of the actual image taken. Though I'd have to wonder how bad is bad until they decided that they have to make an extra accesory for fixing the problem.

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aiya, let them compare la....so despo  doh.gif
btw, not all people enjoying viewing live view LCD, and not all people would like to pay extra for the "view finder"
some people enjoy viewing "'lens reflected' view finder"  laugh.gif
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for me i do enjoy live view, at least no need to press nose against the camera make it oily and dirty smile.gif
but some like 'lens reflected' view finder".. coz it taking photos thru it looks more PRO haha tongue.gif
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QUOTE(seaotter @ Jun 21 2009, 09:24 PM)
Yep

Panasonic DMC-L1 and L10.
Used L10 before. not bad lah
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QUOTE(soulfly @ Jun 21 2009, 08:54 PM)
goldfries, if I am not mistaken, Panasonic used to have a full size DSLR (aps-c). I was not famous at all... they probably had one model I think.
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QUOTE(seaotter @ Jun 21 2009, 09:24 PM)
Panasonic DMC-L1 and L10.
Used L10 before. not bad lah
thanks for the info.

i've tested the GH1 and i must say it's a love / hate thing.

don't like EVF yet found it interesting.


Added on June 22, 2009, 2:09 amsorry if this link was posted........

http://thru-the-zuiko.blogspot.com/2009/06...ort-review.html

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Even their marketing materials keep comparing this as a revolutionary DSLR replacement mar, that's why people are going to keep comparing it with DSLRs.


Added on June 21, 2009, 9:31 pm

I think it was the Imaging Resource hands on that mentioned that the extra view finder is for the Ultrawide lens cause the Live View image cannot give a good depiction of the actual image taken. Though I'd have to wonder how bad is bad until they decided that they have to make an extra accesory for fixing the problem.
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How can they call the lens ultrawide when the micro 4/3 is 2x crop factor. That makes the 17mm lens a 34mm lens. That's not even near wide angle in 35mm terms. Or have Olympus labelled the lenses specifically for the camera meaning the 17mm label is already after the 2x crop factor.
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How can they call the lens ultrawide when the micro 4/3 is 2x crop factor. That makes the 17mm lens a 34mm lens. That's not even near wide angle in 35mm terms. Or have Olympus labelled the lenses specifically for the camera meaning the 17mm label is already after the 2x crop factor.
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yes 17mm is not super wide...

7-14 is..so in 35mm equivalent it is 14mm wide..
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QUOTE(ianho @ Jun 22 2009, 12:00 PM)
How can they call the lens ultrawide when the micro 4/3 is 2x crop factor. That makes the 17mm lens a 34mm lens. That's not even near wide angle in 35mm terms. Or have Olympus labelled the lenses specifically for the camera meaning the 17mm label is already after the 2x crop factor.
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Nah! If I remember correctly, Olympus has an 8mm ultrawide lens so with the 2x crop it becomes 16mm. So 14-42 is actually 28-84mm lah.

When I went to check out the G1 with the 14-42mm kit lens, I don't remember it being ultrawide in any sense so I guess the E-P1 is the same.

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this is the wide lens they are talking about..

m4/3 7-14mm

http://www.slrgear.com/reviews/showproduct...uct/1252/cat/69

14-42 is just the kit lens..

anyway just to share:--

Detail: Olympus E-P1 vs E-30, Panasonic GH1, Canon T1i, and Nikon D5000

http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/EP1/EP1A.HTM

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this is the wide lens they are talking about..

m4/3 7-14mm

http://www.slrgear.com/reviews/showproduct...uct/1252/cat/69

14-42 is just the kit lens..

anyway just to share:--

Detail: Olympus E-P1 vs E-30, Panasonic GH1, Canon T1i, and Nikon D5000

http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/EP1/EP1A.HTM
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The 150mm f2 lens looks damn cool on the lil E-P1. thumbup.gif
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wish olympus had chosen to put in an evf. dat will make it an true contender.
the omission of a build in flash is still acceptable but without a viewfinder... it might be a little harder to do manual focussing.

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wish olympus had chosen to put in an evf. dat will make it an true contender.
the omission of a build in flash is still acceptable but without a viewfinder... it might be a little harder to do manual focussing.
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Personally, i like that it has no EVF. Manual focusing is like Panasonic's G1. DO check it out on the web or at the shops if you are not sure how. I also cannot really explain it lol.


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you guys can be really serious about the camera sometimes... it's all about the photographs, not the camera dude
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you guys can be really serious about the camera sometimes... it's all about the photographs, not the camera dude
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a cheapo camera can still produce good photographs. my lens are not even nano crystal, AFS IS VR CKK WTH SDJGI EJFJKSF leh
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nice add. I thought it was a real episode where they were gonna blend the E-P1. laugh.gif
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dun trust imaging resource result la... their sony alpha also looks better than d300 lolz


pro say d5000 high iso much better than d300 wor. so E-P1 = d3 lolz

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d5000 so keng meh ?  sweat.gif
This I hadn’t planned on
If there was one thing I hadn’t planned on it was this; I fell in love with the D-5000. In fact, I’m keeping it. I was absolutely shocked at its high ISO performance. I took shots, hand held at 1250 ISO in a square in the town of Siena, and when my brother and I looked at them that night—full screen on my computer, you could barely see any noise at all. It was like ISO 400 on my D300. I was just amazed!!!! So, I pushed that thing up to 1600 ISO any ol’ time, and I was shooting at night handheld without a second thought.

Also, it has so many of the features of my D300 that I felt surprisingly at home. In fact, I could only find one thing that I really wished it did that I couldn’t figure out how to get it to do; I wanted to assign the center OK button to zoom in to a 100% view (like I do on my D-300), but I don’t think it offers that feature.

I was also surprised to learn that the image quality was fantastic (very D-300-like, but if you shoot in JPEG mode I would set the Picture Control setting to Vivid to make the color more punchy. While there, I would increase the amount of sharpening as well, but outside of that, I love that camera for travel work because it’s so light, compact, and takes such great images (even in low light). By the way; I never used the video! (I only had one 4GB SD memory card. It’s a long story, but that’s all I had. I should have bought more, but that’s another story).

The Fate of My D-300
So, what’s going to happen to my beloved D300? I’m selling it. It was my back-up camera, and the one I used for travel photography, but now I have a new low-noise, lightweight, replacement that even shoots video, so it’s time to wave bye to my D300 (and its sale will help offset the cost of my original problem).

What Was Your Wife’s “Big Surprise” shoot?
Are you ready for this? On Thursday morning, up pulls a red convertible Ferrari F-430, which my wife had rented for the day for me to drive through the hills of Tuscany and find a place for a sunset shoot of the car. Does it get any better than that?!!!

I’ve always been a Ferrari freak (which is why my wife chose to rent a Ferrari in the first place), but however great I thought driving a Ferrari would be—honestly, it was 10 times better than I imagined. Totally a surreal experience. I drove it from Montaione to Pisa, and everywhere in between. It really felt like you’d imagine a Ferrari would feel. It was more than just great looking and really fast. It was a race car on the street. Oh yeah, I got some cool shots, too! (You’ll see some tomorrow. I had my brother take it through some curves as I shot—-he really hated that—wink, wink) and then we took turns driving and shooting, and just having a ball. It’s a day I’ll never forget. Do I have a rockin’ wife or what!!!!!

OK, Let’s See Some Photos
Tomorrow I’m running a series of photos from the trip, so I hope you’ll stop by and check them out. I’m back home now, (and probably back in the office by the time you read this, taking lots of ribbing for leaving my camera gear behind). But hey, I lived a dream—-I went to Italy and fell in love (does it still count if the thing you fell in love with was a camera?).

Shooting Time vs. Family Time
Although I limited my shooting time (after all, this was a family vacation first), I did get to shoot for five hours by myself on Friday, which was great fun (although four hours of it was driving time to and from my shooting location in “The Crete” area of Tuscany). Tuscany is just a magical place, and it’s a very target rich environment for photography (and for food, and architecture, and landscapes, and history, and…..)

I really tried my best to make sure my photography didn’t get in the way of our family time, so I just took my camera along wherever we went, and I shot along the way (kind of like a photo walk). Of course, my wife went out of her way to make sure I’d get interesting things to shoot during the week, and anytime I needed a few extra minutes to “get the shot” she was totally cool with it. I took far fewer shots than any previous trip (less than 950 photos for the entire week-long trip), but I had such a relaxing time; got some great time with the wife and kids, got my internal batteries totally recharged, and still got at least a few decent shots, which I’ll share here tomorrow.
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Hi Rogier Bos:
I get asked this question a lot. The main reason I bring the D300 instead of the D3 is that I can usually get away with using just one lens the entire trip—my 18-200mm f/3.5 - f/5.6 VR. That’s all I used in Italy all of last year, and it worked wonderfully. If I put that lens on my full-frame D3, it gets cropped. So basically, I was trading low-noise for something more lightweight and not having to change lenses ever—which relieves me from saying, “Rats, I don’t have the right lens for this shot!” which I’ve said over and over before I started using that 18-200mm lens.

Of course remember; I’m on vacation with my family, so I want to travel light and not make myself a burden. If I was shooting for an article on travel, then I’d bring all kinds of gear, and an assistant to help me lug it all around, but for shooting while on vacation I want a lighter weight body and ideally, one lens. Now, with the D-5000, I have an even better solution, because it’s:

(a) Lighter weight (by far)
(b) Much better in low light
© I have video built-in just in case

Hope that helps show you were I’m coming from. Every time I leave to go shooting I have to sit there and try to figure out, “Well, what should I take for this,” but now at least I know what to take when I travel.

Take care,

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" pro say d5000 high iso much better than d300 wor. so E-P1 = d3 lolz "

i dont see any logic in this statement.. if d5000 is better than d300 how come suddenly E-P1 = D3?

D3 is FF la..
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QUOTE(hellfire8888 @ Jun 24 2009, 11:54 AM)
" pro say d5000 high iso much better than d300 wor. so E-P1 = d3 lolz "

i dont see any logic in this statement.. if d5000 is better than d300 how come suddenly E-P1 = D3?

D3 is FF la..
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coz ts say E-P1 better than D5000, which better than D300 lo.
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anyway pre production unit all sold out..got money also cannot buy now....
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On par with D3 only 2999?! D3 is ff leh... unless u have concrete comparison XD

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On par with D3 only 2999?! D3 is ff leh... unless u have concrete comparison XD
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Aiyoooo he was being sarcastic when he said E-P1=D3 coz some of those biased sites say E-P1 is better than D5000 and since Scot Kelby said D5000 is better than D300
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launched in KL ka? went to all shops in one utama and curve also say dun have the funniest thing is that they dont even know that it exist heheheh
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QUOTE(Sp00kY @ Jun 24 2009, 01:33 PM)
launched in KL ka? went to all shops in one utama and curve also say dun have the funniest thing is that they dont even know that it exist heheheh
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Not yet - only coming to msia early july, like the rest of the world.

Not all shops knows the existence of the camera. They salesman only. So sad.
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QUOTE(nightc @ Jun 24 2009, 10:13 PM)
Anyway, it's NOT a dSLR
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Which is why i recomend to use DILC instead

(DILC - Digital interchangable Lens Camera)

And this is not an EVIL camera either.
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this camera is exp..it's gonna sell at around Rm3.7k according to star newspaper
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QUOTE(miyakochan89 @ Jun 24 2009, 11:12 PM)
this camera is exp..it's gonna sell at around Rm3.7k according to star newspaper
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3799 actually - but it comes with the kit zoom lens, kit pancake lens and the viewfinder.

for the price, this is quite good. Not a bargain, but quite good.
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Anyway, it's NOT a dSLR
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So what? SLR is not everything. Just take a look at the Magnum photographers. U think they all use SLRs?



QUOTE(miyakochan89 @ Jun 24 2009, 11:12 PM)
this camera is exp..it's gonna sell at around Rm3.7k according to star newspaper
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It's not expensive. U wanna see expensive, take a look at Sigma DP2 n Leica D-Lux 4. Those r expensive considering they're only P&S cams.
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hmm just saw the iso 1600 and 3200 from EP-1 very impressive... arghh cant wait to get 1 ...
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this could be THE camera for underwater photography..

physically small, full time live view, good high iso performance..

add underwater casing, UWA, macro, and TTL strobe... that's an underwater dream machine.
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unless you got 2 sets if not i dont see an ultra wide angle lens and a macro lens together...
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They're even advertising this camera on Fly FM now.
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QUOTE(ianho @ Jun 28 2009, 01:01 PM)
They're even advertising this camera on Fly FM now.
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Of course la - Phat Fabes and Ben was part of the advert campaign

http://www.thebigcameradebate.com/


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Cant wait to get bac to KL next 2 weeks to try dis cam out. Looks promising. So, can we swap pana-g1 lens wif dis cam?

EDIT: Oh found out da links posted by thread starter already confirmed they can b swapped.

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Cant wait to get bac to KL next 2 weeks to try dis cam out. Looks promising. So, can we swap pana-g1 lens wif dis cam?

EDIT: Oh found out da links posted by thread starter already confirmed they can b swapped.
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yes confirm can..Panasonic G1 is also m 4/3 gang..so all lens between them can be swap and use..
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QUOTE(hellfire8888 @ Jun 29 2009, 10:27 AM)
yes confirm can..Panasonic G1 is also m 4/3 gang..so all lens between them can be swap and use..
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If not mistaken, you'll need an adapter to use the other lenses other than original E-P1 lenses. correct me if I'm wrong on this...
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QUOTE(Braynumb @ Jun 29 2009, 02:12 PM)
If not mistaken, you'll need an adapter to use the other lenses other than original E-P1 lenses. correct me if I'm wrong on this...
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You're wrong dear. All m4/3rd no need adapter. You only need adapter for 4/3rd lens (those e-series olympus lens).
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QUOTE(gogo2 @ Jun 29 2009, 03:47 PM)
You're wrong dear. All m4/3rd no need adapter. You only need adapter for 4/3rd lens (those e-series olympus lens).
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for example now i am using Olympus E3 4/3 format. i can swap lens with panasonic L10 user. No adapter require.

so for EP-1 they can also swap lens with G1 user cause both also micro 4/3 format.

However if EP-1 wanna use lens from 4/3 format then they need an adapter.

so same format no need apater..diff format need adapter..
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QUOTE(gogo2 @ Jun 29 2009, 02:47 PM)
You're wrong dear. All m4/3rd no need adapter. You only need adapter for 4/3rd lens (those e-series olympus lens).
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QUOTE(hellfire8888 @ Jun 29 2009, 03:04 PM)
for example now i am using Olympus E3 4/3 format. i can swap lens with panasonic L10 user. No adapter require.

so for EP-1 they can also swap lens with G1 user cause both also micro 4/3 format.

However if EP-1 wanna use lens from 4/3 format then they need an adapter.

so same format no need apater..diff format need adapter..
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Thanks for clarifying. rclxms.gif Any cons or restrictions for ep-1 or g1 when using adapater for 4/3 lens? Do they still retain sharpness, no vigentte, etc? Looking forward for the kit lenses offered by third parties as well for m4/3.
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QUOTE(gogo2 @ Jun 29 2009, 02:47 PM)
You're wrong dear. All m4/3rd no need adapter. You only need adapter for 4/3rd lens (those e-series olympus lens).
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right... sorry bout that... missed the m... tongue.gif my bad...
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will be available next week and the street price for single lens will be rm2600,double lens will be rm3300

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QUOTE(wcs2798 @ Jul 3 2009, 02:52 PM)
will be available next week and the street price for single lens will be rm2600,double lens will be rm3300
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double lens are wat? 14-42 + pancake? got EVF also?

how about the 4/3rd adapter price?
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QUOTE(wcs2798 @ Jul 3 2009, 02:52 PM)
will be available next week and the street price for single lens will be rm2600,double lens will be rm3300
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Oh hey, the price is lower than what they say on the facebook group.

Good for my wallet biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(harrychoo @ Jul 3 2009, 04:33 PM)
double lens are wat? 14-42 + pancake? got EVF also?

3 set available

E-P1 Silver Kit (Silver Body + Black M. Zuiko Digital ED 14-42mm f3.5-5.6)

E-P1 White Kit (White Body + Silver M. Zuiko Digital ED 14-42mm f3.5-5.6)

E-P1 Silver Twin Lens Kit (Silver Body + Black M. Zuiko Digital ED 14-42mm f3.5-5.6 + Silver M. Zuiko Digital 17mm f2.8 + VF-1 Optical View Finder)


how about the 4/3rd adapter price?

MMF-1 Four Thirds Adapter selling around RM450

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Thanks for the price list rclxms.gif

I wonder whether the adapter compatible on G1 or not hmm.gif
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QUOTE(harrychoo @ Jul 3 2009, 11:17 PM)
Thanks for the price list  rclxms.gif

I wonder whether the adapter compatible on G1 or not  hmm.gif
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The adaptor from panasonic fits on the E-P1 so why shouldnt it fit the G1?
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The adaptor from panasonic fits on the E-P1 so why shouldnt it fit the G1?
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I read from other forum that it is identical. So just buy the cheapest one.

I'll update front page with Price and LYN seller. Any seller want to put in front page can PM me.
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twin lens kit got no white body and silver lens?
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I read from other forum that it is identical. So just buy the cheapest one.
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Panasonic DMW-MA1 selling around RM500 while Olympus MMF-1 selling around RM450

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Hi girls and guys, good day.

I'm planning to get the E-P1 for my girlfriend (then myself can hak milik and play play also of course, hehehe) and hope to get it by the week as she will be travelling on the coming w/end and wish to use it. No problem rite??? Yep, but i'm planning to get her the body and 17mm pancake itself only. She dont really like to care too much on zooms, VF, etc etc so i thought that it'll be great suit for her, the EP-1 with pancake only, with LV and good single focal lens.

Just wondering if there's anybody offering the silver body + 17mm pancake itself only? If no, i'll have to settle with the twin kit lens + VF package. If that's so, anyone interested on the 14-42mm and VF? I'm willing to let go as it'll be rather redundant.

Hope you girls and guys can help me out, thnks.


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QUOTE(KittyKat @ Jul 5 2009, 10:19 AM)
Hi girls and guys, good day.

I'm planning to get the E-P1 for my girlfriend (then myself can hak milik and play play also of course, hehehe) and hope to get it by the week as she will be travelling on the coming w/end and wish to use it. No problem rite??? Yep, but i'm planning to get her the body and 17mm pancake itself only. She dont really like to care too much on zooms, VF, etc etc so i thought that it'll be great suit for her, the EP-1 with pancake only, with LV and good single focal lens.

Just wondering if there's anybody offering the silver body + 17mm pancake itself only? If no, i'll have to settle with the twin kit lens + VF package. If that's so, anyone interested on the 14-42mm and VF? I'm willing to let go as it'll be rather redundant.

Hope you girls and guys can help me out, thnks.
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i would suggest u to get the twin lens kit and resell the 14-42 and vf.
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QUOTE(KittyKat @ Jul 5 2009, 10:19 AM)
Hi girls and guys, good day.

I'm planning to get the E-P1 for my girlfriend (then myself can hak milik and play play also of course, hehehe) and hope to get it by the week as she will be travelling on the coming w/end and wish to use it. No problem rite??? Yep, but i'm planning to get her the body and 17mm pancake itself only. She dont really like to care too much on zooms, VF, etc etc so i thought that it'll be great suit for her, the EP-1 with pancake only, with LV and good single focal lens.

Just wondering if there's anybody offering the silver body + 17mm pancake itself only? If no, i'll have to settle with the twin kit lens + VF package. If that's so, anyone interested on the 14-42mm and VF? I'm willing to let go as it'll be rather redundant.

Hope you girls and guys can help me out, thnks.
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If you got the twin lens kit, you can sell off your 14-42mm and VF in LYN garage sales. But ask ur gf to use it first. Maybe she'll like it
after she got the whole set. smile.gif
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If you got the twin lens kit, you can sell off your 14-42mm and VF in LYN garage sales. But ask ur gf to use it first. Maybe she'll like it
after she got the whole set. smile.gif
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Neh... I've seen here use her bro's DSLR. She dont need to zoom zoom one, but frame like a pro flex.gif with primes. VF pulak, kena complain by her bro cuz messed up the LCD cool2.gif hahaha...

Yep, testing market see if anyone interested on the 14-42 and VF. Hope will turn out lucky.


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You willing to eat back at a certain price-tag if purchase the twin kit-lens set from you, William??? blush.gif

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QUOTE(KittyKat @ Jul 5 2009, 03:09 PM)
Neh... I've seen here use her bro's DSLR. She dont need to zoom zoom one, but frame like a pro  flex.gif  with primes. VF pulak, kena complain by her bro cuz messed up the LCD  cool2.gif  hahaha...

Yep, testing market see if anyone interested on the 14-42 and VF. Hope will turn out lucky.


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You willing to eat back at a certain price-tag if purchase the twin kit-lens set from you, William???  blush.gif
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http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/readflat...thread=32316249

It said that 14-42mm can do great macro. Probably your gf will like it. tongue.gif
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QUOTE(wcs2798 @ Jul 4 2009, 03:27 PM)
Panasonic DMW-MA1 selling around RM500 while Olympus MMF-1 selling around RM450
nope,unless u get the white kit and purchase silver 17mm seperately
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Any idea when and how much Olympus and Panasonic gonna release their own respective tele?
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You mean their long tele?
Next year they are going to intro their UW tele and long tele (olympus la)
Panasonic already have two good tele for mFT - the 14-140 and 50-200. freaking expensive though.
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according to this - got white plus 2 silver colour twin lens kit
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according to this - got white plus 2 silver colour twin lens kit
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Wow,

great, finally olympus come out of tis micro 4/3 camera. love it, love it.

anyone own a E-P1 already? hows the IQ compare to others DSLR? still satisfied?

Thn can tis camera do trigger wireless flash? Yes? No?

If above 2 issue is good thn I might be getting one too.

Am looking for E-P1 wif 17mm package? Possible to found at msia?

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Wow,

great, finally olympus come out of tis micro 4/3 camera. love it, love it.

anyone own a E-P1 already? hows the IQ compare to others DSLR? still satisfied?

do your own judgement according to previous post

Thn can tis camera do trigger wireless flash? Yes? No?

nope

If above 2 issue is good thn I might be getting one too.

Am looking for E-P1 wif 17mm package? Possible to found at msia?

u have to get twin lens kit in order to get 17mm,maybe future olympus malaysia will bring in pancake kit

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QUOTE(seaotter @ Jul 5 2009, 08:30 PM)
You mean their long tele?
Next year they are going to intro their UW tele and long tele (olympus la)
Panasonic already have two good tele for mFT - the 14-140 and 50-200. freaking expensive though.
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I know Pana coming soon on their 45-150 and ya the price is dam expensive.

Not sure about what Olympus gonna offer though.

A cheap tele is my main concern now, else i have to buy the adapter and use FT tele lens.
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for twin lens kit,currently only silver body with black 14-42mm + silver 17mm available
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thank you. this twin lens kit offer not limited right? meaning its on ongoing offer?

i wonder what is the lens line-up for the E-P1? anybody knows? I wish got a ultra wide to wide zoom soon with a big aperture

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got ultra wide ok... 7-14mm


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I wonder y they dont sell the black color 1. So ugly lar silver body black lens, white body silver lens.
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i second that..why no all black like lx3
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i second that..why no all black like lx3
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i know LX3 got silver..what i am saying is why EP1 do not have an all black model like LX3

anyway just to poison u guys.. EP-1 shot with Panasonic Leica 25mm f1.4

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i second that..why no all black like lx3
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QUOTE(hellfire8888 @ Jul 6 2009, 01:25 PM)
i know LX3 got silver..what i am saying is why EP1 do not have an all black model like LX3

anyway just to poison u guys.. EP-1 shot with Panasonic Leica 25mm f1.4

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Do you think flash is necessary based on this photo? (taking photo indoor). Not sure
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QUOTE(hellfire8888 @ Jul 6 2009, 01:25 PM)
i know LX3 got silver..what i am saying is why EP1 do not have an all black model like LX3

anyway just to poison u guys.. EP-1 shot with Panasonic Leica 25mm f1.4

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bro,
tis one is with the adapter right?
so how u found the camera figure. even without a OVF is it good to have one?

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yes EP1 is good to have...f1.4 no need flash la inside restaurant.. smile.gif

to use EP1 and leica 25 f1.4 u need adapter.

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add in info

according to olympus malaysia,the E-P1 case will be release in september and price TBA so there is no olympus case provided with E-P1
so they decided to came out a case(locally) to fit the E-P1,price TBA

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add in info

according to olympus malaysia,the E-P1 case will be release in september and price TBA so there is no olympus case provided with E-P1
so they decided to came out a case(locally) to fit the E-P1,price TBA
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Hopefully they give it free as introductory price. Haha...

Anyway, as ianho said, the kit combination is a bit weird. At least, all silver kit is more making sense. From dpreview, there's silver kit:
E-P1 Kit Silver/Silver
(E-P1 body silver & M. ZUIKO DIGITAL ED 14-42mm 1:3.5-5.6 lens silver)

But I hope for all silver dual lens kit too.
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Actually got black E-P1 but why aren't they selling it in black?
I found this pic of it.
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This is so much nicer than the silly white n silver combos.

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QUOTE(ianho @ Jul 7 2009, 12:13 AM)
Actually got black E-P1 but why aren't they selling it in black?
I found this pic of it. 
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This is so much nicer than the silly white n silver combos.
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That is what you call the power of photoshop.
Besides, I'm getting bored with black now.
So the white is a nice change - have you seen the Pentax K7D in white?
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yalor photoshopped ma! anyway I already explained - the black is reserved for the Pro model of E-P1. wait for the pro-version if you want black.

the twin lens kit is cacat - one silver and one black lens. cant understand that. anyway I will wait for white with 2 silver twin lens.
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QUOTE(hellfire8888 @ Jul 6 2009, 07:28 PM)
yes EP1  is good to have...f1.4 no need flash la inside restaurant.. smile.gif

to use EP1 and leica 25 f1.4 u need adapter.
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hows the EP1 looks like if match it up wif an adaptor and the 25mm f1.4 leica ya? poisoning. how i wish oly only sell EP-1 body thn i can straight go for some pancake lens.

Btw guys, where i can found the real product in KL ya? lowyat? wanna to moles it. drool.gif

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QUOTE(OldKidz @ Jul 7 2009, 09:49 AM)
hows the EP1 looks like if match it up wif an adaptor and the 25mm f1.4 leica ya? poisoning. how i wish oly only sell EP-1 body thn i can straight go for some pancake lens.

Btw guys, where i can found the real product in KL ya? lowyat? wanna to moles it.  drool.gif
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http://www.four-thirds.org/en/products/matching/index.html

Check this website out - i wonder if C or N has a similar site?
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the black camera looks like an inverted version of the white
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Actually got black E-P1 but why aren't they selling it in black?
I found this pic of it. 
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This is so much nicer than the silly white n silver combos.
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Ifer you're right. The shadow is at the same place.... laugh.gif

This is my failed inversion:
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rotate 10 degree CW.


Added on July 7, 2009, 11:52 pmoh wait, where my viewfinder???


Added on July 8, 2009, 4:51 pmSteve Digicam review:

OLYMPUS UNVEILS A NEW ERA WITH THE E-P1: NOT A POINT & SHOOT. NOT AN SLR. IT'S A PEN. WHAT WILL YOU CREATE?

http://www.steves-digicams.com/2009_reviews/olympus_ep1.html

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Added on July 8, 2009, 4:51 pmSteve Digicam review:

OLYMPUS UNVEILS A NEW ERA WITH THE E-P1: NOT A POINT & SHOOT. NOT AN SLR. IT'S A PEN. WHAT WILL YOU CREATE?

http://www.steves-digicams.com/2009_reviews/olympus_ep1.html

He stole my title laugh.gif
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which title u mean?

need to read more reviews before deciding whether it's really good in other departments.. IQ alone doesnt make a camera great..
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which title u mean?

need to read more reviews before deciding whether it's really good in other departments.. IQ alone doesnt make a camera great..
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Just talking about the New Era title.

Anyway, how do you find the stevedigicam review? I would consider stevedigicam as one of the better review on the net.
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i am taking a poll here see which color you boys and girls prefer for E-P1. I got a feeling Olympus Malaysia thinks white is not popular therefore will have more stock for silver body.

http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/1090077
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Just got the White E-P1. Got both lenses and OVF. Currently charging it now, and taking it later to Paris for photoshoot in Disneyland Paris. Newbie here so my pics may be not good. This is my first "better than PnS" camera I have since my crappy Cybershot, so I cant wait to see the image quality jump.
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QUOTE(stringfellow @ Jul 9 2009, 05:04 PM)
Just got the White E-P1. Got both lenses and OVF. Currently charging it now, and taking it later to Paris for photoshoot in Disneyland Paris. Newbie here so my pics may be not good. This is my first "better than PnS" camera I have since my crappy Cybershot, so I cant wait to see the image quality jump.
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congra bro. remember to post ur review here n pm me ur review ya. am eye-ing on tis camera jus donno how good it can go.

wat i will consider is the IQ - Image Quality in low light condition. means indoor or at night.

Thn the handiness, whether it is comfort to hold...

Enjoy.
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QUOTE(stringfellow @ Jul 9 2009, 05:04 PM)
Just got the White E-P1. Got both lenses and OVF. Currently charging it now, and taking it later to Paris for photoshoot in Disneyland Paris. Newbie here so my pics may be not good. This is my first "better than PnS" camera I have since my crappy Cybershot, so I cant wait to see the image quality jump.
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France got sell white body with 2 lenses?
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I'm not in France. In KL. The twin lense was from my friend who bought the silver twin lense kit.
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QUOTE(gogo2 @ Jul 8 2009, 08:58 PM)
Just talking about the New Era title.

Anyway, how do you find the stevedigicam review? I would consider stevedigicam as one of the better review on the net.
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i like DCResource review more.. Steve digicam kinda.. uhmm more like a preview than review..
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what is Four Third? is it a new camera manufacturer?

tq
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I'm not in France. In KL. The twin lense was from my friend who bought the silver twin lense kit.
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but silver twin lens kit is not available in malaysia. the twin lens kit sold here is one black and one silver. sorry i didnt mean to doubt your purchase, i am just saying the silver twin lens is not available to me..... sweat.gif

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QUOTE(stringfellow @ Jul 9 2009, 05:04 PM)
Just got the White E-P1. Got both lenses and OVF. Currently charging it now, and taking it later to Paris for photoshoot in Disneyland Paris. Newbie here so my pics may be not good. This is my first "better than PnS" camera I have since my crappy Cybershot, so I cant wait to see the image quality jump.
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welcome mr string to the photog world!
worry not of the pics taken...as we all are still learning here... rclxms.gif
i m sure u'll have a blast with it in EuroDisney!
post pics please after ur trip... brows.gif


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what is Four Third? is it a new camera manufacturer?

tq
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it is a sensor format.
with 2x crop ratio.

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what is Four Third? is it a new camera manufacturer?

tq
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Four Third

Micro Four Third

Olympus E-P1 consider as Micro Four Third

btw,just got a chance to hold this camera on this afternoon.

and not sure how real it is,but according to the salesman,we are having white twin kit in market
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http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/readflat...thread=32356251

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gogo2...u bought already.,what is the best deal u get..? so how was it..any mini review? the pic u show is from the 17mm f2.8 rite?
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QUOTE(hellfire8888 @ Jul 10 2009, 10:54 AM)
gogo2...u bought already.,what is the best deal u get..? so how was it..any  mini review? the pic u show is from the 17mm f2.8 rite?
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Ahh even kennysia is using Olympus PEN now... is he just reviewing or he owns one now? He was using D40... Now PEN T_T
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QUOTE(zellleonhart @ Jul 10 2009, 11:20 AM)
Ahh even kennysia is using Olympus PEN now... is he just reviewing or he owns one now? He was using D40... Now PEN T_T
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I think PEN will become ultimate blogger camera.

http://www.kennysia.com/archives/2009/07/adv-olympus-e-p.php
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Yea... Easy to carry around and with similar quality with DSLR.... XD
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Yea... Easy to carry around and with similar quality with DSLR.... XD
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I'm drooling over it. If no bad review from now until next month, I'll definitely get it....
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Yea... Easy to carry around and with similar quality with DSLR.... XD
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At least easier to carry than DSLR doh.gif and PEN looks so cool XD
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Noise seems extremely acceptable. I'm not surprised by the LPF, BUT i do wish it were removable as i prefer sharpness over Moire protection. Long bulb mode is pretty awesome. 3 FPS is also quite good if you ask me, but the 10 shot RAW buffer is small by my count.

Shall buy one tomorrow from Brissy laugh.gif
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this camera handling is slow, not responsive, and not intuitive. hence, not suitable for street photography.
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QUOTE(maknyuus @ Jul 10 2009, 01:59 PM)
this camera handling is slow, not responsive, and not intuitive. hence, not suitable for street photography.
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Well, its not going to have D300 performance. But from other forum, the handling is better than expected due
to earlier preview that AF is slow. Due to low expectation, people are actually feel happy with the E-P1 performance.
It's definitely faster than P&S. Street photography is ok. But not sport photography.

Anyway, E-P1 has now achieve 19.3% market share in Japan and is growing:
http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=e...%3DSF2%26sa%3DG


Added on July 10, 2009, 2:51 pmanyway, are you dgrebel? long time no see man.

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My colleague bought one just now and i manage to test it for a while.

The silver body is looks nicer than expected or in brochure.

The 14-42 kitlens very small, smaller than G1's due to built in IS in G1's kitlens.

AF is up to my expectation, it is a bit slower than G1 but as fast as DSLR with those 3rd party lens like Tamron if not faster.
AF hunting abit weird though when close to locking the focus of the subject.

Overall, the AF is fast. I'm sold thumbup.gif

One more thing, the EVF is rubbish like a toy

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QUOTE(maknyuus @ Jul 10 2009, 01:59 PM)
this camera handling is slow, not responsive, and not intuitive. hence, not suitable for street photography.
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It's cheap, compact, has low noise and above all it doesn't look like i spent a gizillion bucks on it and thus people assume i'm a dumb tourist.

Everything has it's flaws i guess, but this seems like the best compromise for digital street for now.
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how the pancake?
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The pancake is good, it AF faster than the 14-42.
Sharpness wise i'm not sure as i play a while only, lol.

Now i'm wonder how it fair against the 25mm f2.8 fourthird pancake. hmm.gif

G1 kitlens will focus faster than E-P1 kitlens on E-P1 body.



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I am going to watch Tour De France in a week time, do you recommend this camera when I take pics of the cyclists zooming past me? I dont want to bring a big SLR camera as I will cycling for two days to follow the Tour. Dont want to carry heavy items, sakit belakang nanti... smile.gif

For video wise, I will be using my iphone 3gs and tweetreel application to post my video. I just need a camera to capture the cyclists face when the climb tough Mt Ventoux aka Mt Baldy..
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The pancake is good, it AF faster than the 14-42.
Sharpness wise i'm not sure as i play a while only, lol.

Now i'm wonder how it fair against the 25mm f2.8 fourthird pancake.  hmm.gif

G1 kitlens will focus faster than E-P1 kitlens on E-P1 body.
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QUOTE(harrychoo @ Jul 10 2009, 04:28 PM)
The pancake is good, it AF faster than the 14-42.
Sharpness wise i'm not sure as i play a while only, lol.

Now i'm wonder how it fair against the 25mm f2.8 fourthird pancake.  hmm.gif

G1 kitlens will focus faster than E-P1 kitlens on E-P1 body.
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Sharing some shots on the announcement day. sexy little device =)
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QUOTE(hellfire8888 @ Jul 10 2009, 04:51 PM)
thanks for the feedback..is ok i think i will stick to pana leica 25mm f1.4 if i get this EP1
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how is the zuiko 25mm pancake performance anyway?

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still cant find it at low yat. saw one at 1u but still in the box.
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woah, the 3rd photo.
terus can see the mesmerizing blue green metallic sensor.

kinda dangerous wei
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I am going to watch Tour De France in a week time, do you recommend this camera when I take pics of the cyclists zooming past me? I dont want to bring a big SLR camera as I will cycling for two days to follow the Tour. Dont want to carry heavy items, sakit belakang nanti... smile.gif

For video wise, I will be using my iphone 3gs and tweetreel application to post my video. I just need a camera to capture the cyclists face when the climb tough Mt Ventoux aka Mt Baldy..
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Depend on situation. If the cyclist zooming towards you and you want to have focus tracking with high speed shots, then it might not do the trick.
But if you manual focus and high speed shutter, yes, I think you'll be able to take those photos.

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woah, the 3rd photo.
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Easier to clean sensor with cotton bud whistling.gif
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25mm f1.4 tested on pen and the result is faster AF on EP-1..donno why..but it is faster
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25mm f1.4 tested on pen and the result is faster AF on EP-1..donno why..but it is faster
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just went to boeing sg wang..twin kit lens sold out...new stock arive next week..just book mine tongue.gif
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just took a look at a silver body with the zoom lens. really disappointed with the LCD display. When reviewing photos, to go forward and back is very slow. It will be a pain to look for a photo if you got like a few hundred pictures stored sad.gif

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Can't wait for the flash coming end of this month. Already got a small Olympus bag to go with the camera, so it is light, portable and in theme with the whole Olympus thing. biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(stringfellow @ Jul 12 2009, 10:31 PM)
Can't wait for the flash coming end of this month. Already got a small Olympus bag to go with the camera, so it is light, portable and in theme with the whole Olympus thing. biggrin.gif
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Can't wait for the flash coming end of this month. Already got a small Olympus bag to go with the camera, so it is light, portable and in theme with the whole Olympus thing. biggrin.gif
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Just bought the Panasonic m4/3 45-200mm telephoto zoom lens. Will test it later on the Frankfurt trip.

Bloody YL is poisoning me, they're dangling the FL-14 flash infront of me. cry.gif Money is tight after the lens. sad.gif
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QUOTE(stringfellow @ Jul 13 2009, 04:05 PM)
Just bought the Panasonic m4/3 45-200mm telephoto zoom lens. Will test it later on the Frankfurt trip.

Bloody YL is poisoning me, they're dangling the FL-14 flash infront of me. cry.gif Money is tight after the lens. sad.gif
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How much and where u bought the pana 45-200mm?

I'm interested too. Can't find stock unless order.
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How much and where u bought the pana 45-200mm?

I'm interested too. Can't find stock unless order.
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Bintang Maju in Maju Junction. Got it at Shashinki's price of RM1485. YL is offering me RM1390, but I'm not the type that waits.

End of the month with be a toss-up between FL-36R, or staying in theme with white, with the FL-15 flash. The fact that the FL-15 flash does not tilt is giving me second thoughts. But FL-36R is spoiling the whole look with its stonkin' black color.
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go wit the theme...
u can always get the higher end model later.... =)

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Well for my opinion this camera is awesome in compact and nice ISO noise control than mosts of the rivals BUT there are few con's that annoy people

first the so called the ''DSLR & Compact'' actually should be looks more compact Micro Four Thirds System, I did actually see the sized well is compact THAN the DSLR only, to compare certain Premium Compact this camera was quite bulky.

Secondly, well maximum 2'' Shutter Speed might not be a problem due for the ISO performance but no af assist (in dim light, hardly focus or take more time) no onboard flash and horrible AF in over bright or dark light

Lastly no built in viewfinder and the price is wow it expensive just it's less bulky than DSLR !?

well some said build in built-in IS is cool well however like Sony SSS you will not ''feel'' the stabilization, luckily Olympus E-P1 has the IS effect for the Live View so it will not be the con for the IS function in this camera unless u want an option for the viewfinder features.

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Good idea. I've already told myself, never to get myself into DSLRs in the first place, so sticking with the theme seems pretty apt. Good call.

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QUOTE(stringfellow @ Jul 13 2009, 08:00 PM)
Bintang Maju in Maju Junction. Got it at Shashinki's price of RM1485. YL is offering me RM1390, but I'm not the type that waits.

End of the month with be a toss-up between FL-36R, or staying in theme with white, with the FL-15 flash. The fact that the FL-15 flash does not tilt is giving me second thoughts. But FL-36R is spoiling the whole look with its stonkin' black color.
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Thanks. How much Bintang Maju offer?

The price is quite steep in Malaysia here, singapore just around $460.
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Thanks. How much Bintang Maju offer?

The price is quite steep in Malaysia here, singapore just around $460.
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QUOTE(stringfellow @ Jul 13 2009, 08:49 PM)
Good idea. I've already told myself, never to get myself into DSLRs in the first place, so sticking with the theme seems pretty apt. Good call.
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just it's less bulky than DSLR !?
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only a gearhead knows another very well...
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i so wanna see ur shots from the PEN!
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QUOTE(wingster @ Jul 13 2009, 08:28 PM)
Secondly, well maximum 2'' Shutter Speed might not be a problem due for the ISO performance but no af assist (in dim light, hardly focus or take more time) no onboard flash and horrible AF in over bright or dark light
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only max 2 second shutter speed?? shocking.gif omg now this fact has made the camera out of my contention.. can't take stars pictures sad.gif
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only max 2 second shutter speed?? shocking.gif omg now this fact has made the camera out of my contention.. can't take stars pictures sad.gif
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that's wrong my friend. It is 60 second.

60-1/4000 sec

http://www.dpreview.com/previews/olympusep1/page4.asp
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QUOTE(stringfellow @ Jul 13 2009, 10:10 PM)
Malu lah. I dont want to bring out the trolls. Private exhibition perhaps? I'll pass you the password to the gallery later. Need more pointers from you also. notworthy.gif
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QUOTE(stringfellow @ Jul 13 2009, 10:10 PM)
Malu lah. I dont want to bring out the trolls. Private exhibition perhaps? I'll pass you the password to the gallery later. Need more pointers from you also. notworthy.gif
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Requesting for some low-light pics with the e-p1.
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I have not much doubts on low light photos capabilities of E-P1, instead i worry about the AF performance at low light, especially without assist lamp
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lowlight AF? get LX3
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lowlight AF? get LX3
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Got good meh???
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currently the best compact camera  sweat.gif
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In some sense yes, but in some other sense, not really leh. The AF isnt that perky, especially under poor lighting, IMHO lar...

Tried the E-P1 yesterday also, quite impressed with it. AF quite fast, completely usable up to ISO1600 if not pixel peeping. Operation's quite slow though and not very used to its interface. But one thing's that the silver body very "bling-bling" leh. Mnayak action one if found using it.
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QUOTE(KittyKat @ Jul 14 2009, 12:39 PM)
In some sense yes, but in some other sense, not really leh. The AF isnt that perky, especially under poor lighting, IMHO lar...

Tried the E-P1 yesterday also, quite impressed with it. AF quite fast, completely usable up to ISO1600 if not pixel peeping. Operation's quite slow though and not very used to its interface. But one thing's that the silver body very "bling-bling" leh. Mnayak action one if found using it.
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control, IQ and DOF. rclxms.gif
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QUOTE(gogo2 @ Jul 14 2009, 12:55 PM)
wah, if E-P1 AF is as good or better than LX3, then E-P1 is good enough for casual shooter who demand
control, IQ and DOF.  rclxms.gif
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Big/bulky also leh, for casual shooting. But small and awkward at the same time when talking about handling its zoom lens.
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Big/bulky also leh, for casual shooting. But small and awkward at the same time when talking about handling its zoom lens.
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QUOTE(gogo2 @ Jul 14 2009, 01:54 PM)
true la. hopefully e-p2 will be even smaller and come with built in flash
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unless they can miniaturize the focusing motor, the anti-dust cleaning system, the circuitry, also in an odd way fit a big enough capacitor for the flash that they have in a normal dslr - i think the e-p1 is the smallest they can do it with the technology today.

And if you counter with ' the small cameras got flash what' - remember, the smaller cameras have smaller sensors, so they have more space to stuff inside in their tiny body for a tiny flash
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true la. hopefully e-p2 will be even smaller and come with built in flash
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I am thankful that I am not predisposed with the previous experiences using DSLRs and about the transition between the different sizes. My take is that Im more inclined to carry lighter, smaller equipments than bulkier ones. My non-experience on how DSLR pictures and their quality looks like also keeps my expectation low. I'd like to keep it that way.

I'm moving up from PnS so size is basically an easy transition by the way. No chimneys or laser cannons on my chest, no thanks.
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so how many owner here already..so much hype and yet so lil ppl buy it..
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QUOTE(stringfellow @ Jul 14 2009, 03:48 PM)
I am thankful that I am not predisposed with the previous experiences using DSLRs and about the transition between the different sizes. My take is that Im more inclined to carry lighter, smaller equipments than bulkier ones. My non-experience on how DSLR pictures and their quality looks like also keeps my expectation low. I'd like to keep it that way.

I'm moving up from PnS so size is basically an easy transition by the way. No chimneys or laser cannons on my chest, no thanks.
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But don't u think it much larger than PnS since u said u only exposed to PnS only prior to this.

QUOTE(hellfire8888 @ Jul 14 2009, 03:49 PM)
so how many owner here already..so much hype and yet so lil ppl buy it..
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Me. *puts money where mouth is*

Another member here also have, just that he don't spend much time in this section. I don't blame him. Learning from him, we're cross-poisoning each other, he poisoned me to finally get into photography, and I just made him purchase his own iPhone 3G[S]. Balances out. tongue.gif

We both have the twin lens kit, his is the silver with black accent, mine is white with tan accent. In addition, i've just got the Panny 45-200mm for my aircraft-in-flight photo-taking opportunities. I've just missed that very chance on my last trip to Paris, when an SQ A380 is cruising below us and I had a clear shot but the 14-42mm lens fall shot of being able to capture the A380 with vaportrail and vortices billowing behind it. Not anymore hopefully, with the 45-200mm.


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QUOTE(harrychoo @ Jul 14 2009, 03:57 PM)
But don't u think it much larger than PnS since u said u only exposed to PnS only prior to this.
still deciding a G1 or this  laugh.gif
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My previous PnS is not that slim anyway. My required "getting the hang of" thing is with the addition of interchangable lens, or the fact that I can fiddle with the zoom/focus manually and physically with the rings, something that had been handled automatically on my previous PnS.

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QUOTE(stringfellow @ Jul 14 2009, 04:06 PM)
Me. *puts money where mouth is*

Another member here also have, just that he don't spend much time in this section. I don't blame him. Learning from him, we're cross-poisoning each other, he poisoned me to finally get into photography, and I just made him purchase his own iPhone 3G[S]. Balances out. tongue.gif

We both have the twin lens kit, his is the silver with black accent, mine is white with tan accent. In addition, i've just got the Panny 45-200mm for my aircraft-in-flight photo-taking opportunities. I've just missed that very chance on my last trip to Paris, when an SQ A380 is cruising below us and I had a clear shot but the 14-42mm lens fall shot of being able to capture the A380 with vaportrail and vortices billowing behind it. Not anymore hopefully, with the 45-200mm.


Added on July 14, 2009, 4:11 pm

My previous PnS is not that slim anyway. My required "getting the hang of" thing is with the addition of interchangable lens, or the fact that I can fiddle with the zoom/focus manually and physically with the rings, something that had been handled automatically on my previous PnS.
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laugh.gif Just now someone PM wanna buy E-P1 from me.

Anyway, a lot of good thing being said about E-P1:
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/readflat...thread=32394350

But I think a lot of people not jumping in because its quite pricey and most of the people who wants a dSLR still think only Canikon can produce great IQ.
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i still think ep-1 somehow stuck in the middle like...not compact than a compact camera and not up to the performance of dslr. well it could be a different way on how u look at it...just my 2cents
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I would it's able to par DSLR (at least to some extend). With its size, it's remarkable actually. Just that as Gogo2 pointed out, its kinda pricey. With that price-tag, anyone can get her/himself some bazooka to mount on them for sime tanks, aeroplanes, birds, scenery, models shooting. Why such weird not a PnS but not a DSLR??? I wouldnt mind owning it though...
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Because it is not a given, it is not a norm. When that happen, the general populace plays it safe by sticking with the safer option:DSLR.

Believe it or not, there are those like me who abhorred and loathe the size of the DSLR, and wants something smaller. There are those who are in the same camp as I am but because of time constraint and pressing need, relented and bedrudgingly went with DSLR because that was the only option available at that time. Those of us who waited for the right form factor to come in, finally get our wish with the E-P1. Those who were in the same camp but went DSLR, there are those who, believe it or not, got their DSLR sold off and went with the E-P1. Our needs was not that much demanding that we needed the DSLR in the first place, just that the step-up after PnS was DSLR and there weren't any other options to choose from there.

The same with camcorders. I wanted a HD camcorder but not with the current hold-it-by-the-barrel monstrosity models in the market, I want something mobile yet with not many sacrifices in terms of performance and quality of the recording result. Enter Xacti HD1010 pistol-grip HD camcorder.

My take? As what I've stated on my sig, get it based on your needs, not just because everyone else picks a model that you have to pick the same model to be on the safe side. I never was a sheep when it comes to my purchasing habits, because my needs are exclusively unique to what I plan to do with these purchases.
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i'm wondering if olympus overpriced their camera since it's first and only kind of camera of its size in the market as for now.. if competitors came out with similar cam, then i believe price will dropped drastically.. so waiting waiting waiting for end of year, early next year smile.gif
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sry no news on the canon or nikon on coming with PEN or slr size sensor camera in a compact body..better luck in year 2011

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this little thing has caught my interest since its intro...
but only now i noticed...it reminds me of my ex-M8! cry.gif

this is not a good sign!

i can use back my fav lense...Summilux-M 50!

but but but...

can anyone help me regarding the focusing?
is there a way to do manual focus on this little baby?
i'd do anything to have M8 performance...on a cheaper body!
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QUOTE(xandman @ Jul 14 2009, 10:12 PM)
this little thing has caught my interest since its intro...
but only now i noticed...it reminds me of my ex-M8! cry.gif

this is not a good sign!

i can use back my fav lense...Summilux-M 50!

but but but...

can anyone help me regarding the focusing?
is there a way to do manual focus on this little baby?
i'd do anything to have M8 performance...on a cheaper body!
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Some one did use it:
http://www.rangefinderforum.com/forums/sho...?threadid=76608
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QUOTE(navilink @ Jul 14 2009, 08:39 PM)
i'm wondering if olympus overpriced their camera since it's first and only kind of camera of its size in the market as for now.. if competitors came out with similar cam, then i believe price will dropped drastically.. so waiting waiting waiting for end of year, early next year smile.gif
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it's not overpriced....
it's priced to rival the potential contender...G1....another micro 4/3 adopter...

pricing may change in the future to reflect the current situation of micro 4/3 cams at that time...

*dreaming on*
a micro 4/3 Leica M! drool.gif
*dreaming off*


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QUOTE(gogo2 @ Jul 14 2009, 10:15 PM)
Some one did use it:
» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «

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gogo....
thx for the pics...

but i m not asking for pics...
i can get that from Mr. String brows.gif

but i'd like to know how does the E-P1 handles manual focus... thumbup.gif

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manual focus not sure..but here is the list of cons for PEN

http://lucifer-doom.blogspot.com/2009/07/o...-and-lousy.html
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QUOTE(xandman @ Jul 14 2009, 10:19 PM)
it's not overpriced....
it's priced to rival the potential contender...G1....another micro 4/3 adopter...

pricing may change in the future to reflect the current situation of micro 4/3 cams at that time...

*dreaming on*
a micro 4/3 Leica M! drool.gif
*dreaming off*


Added on July 14, 2009, 10:22 pm

gogo....
thx for the pics...

but i m not asking for pics...
i can get that from Mr. String brows.gif

but i'd like to know how does the E-P1 handles manual focus...  thumbup.gif
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You should read dpreview for the leica lenses info
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/forum.asp?forum=1041

Because i have read people using zeiss, leica, volt, nikon AND canon lenses on the E-P1.
Manual focus apaprently is a dream on the e-p1
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QUOTE(hellfire8888 @ Jul 15 2009, 01:13 PM)
manual focus not sure..but here is the list of cons for PEN

http://lucifer-doom.blogspot.com/2009/07/o...-and-lousy.html
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Thanks. I can finally say I've found the lowest denominator in the human evolution cycle. Simply put, he's an idiot.
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No review this time around string? sad.gif

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QUOTE(stringfellow @ Jul 15 2009, 01:47 PM)
Thanks. I can finally say I've found the lowest denominator in the human evolution cycle. Simply put, he's an idiot.
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Hey string - some question.

Where did you get your camera from?
how many shots are you getting so far with one battery?
How long the battery needs to recharge?


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QUOTE(stringfellow @ Jul 15 2009, 02:47 PM)
Thanks. I can finally say I've found the lowest denominator in the human evolution cycle. Simply put, he's an idiot.
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would you please clarify your statement? most noob here would not know the real con of this PEN and i just share those info..so what the matter with that? unless u are not smart enuff to diff between fact n fiction between those line from my blog.
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QUOTE(stringfellow @ Jul 15 2009, 01:47 PM)
Thanks. I can finally say I've found the lowest denominator in the human evolution cycle. Simply put, he's an idiot.
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I think he is just joking. He really wants to buy E-P1. But other side of him tell him not. So he try to find
reason not to buy E-P1.

QUOTE(hellfire8888 @ Jul 15 2009, 02:07 PM)
would you please clarify your statement? most noob here would not know the real con of this PEN and i just share those info..so what the matter with that? unless u are not smart enuff to diff between fact n fiction between those line from my blog.
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I think he thought the blog is someone else. If he know its ur blog, I'm sure he won't comment is that way...

Cool guys.... E-P1 is just a camera... sweat.gif


Added on July 15, 2009, 2:21 pm
QUOTE(seaotter @ Jul 15 2009, 01:41 PM)
You should read dpreview for the leica lenses info
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/forum.asp?forum=1041

Because i have read people using zeiss, leica, volt, nikon AND canon lenses on the E-P1.
Manual focus apaprently is a dream on the e-p1
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dream means what? Its good or bad? Hehe.. I can read it as "dream on la if you want to manual focus with E-P1".
But for so many thread I read, Manual Focus is one of the best out there for E-P1.

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ok chill ...anyway ordered mine not yet got stock..plan to use it with leica 25 f1.4 muhahaha

hopefully those con will be fix in EP2
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No review this time around string? sad.gif
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QUOTE(seaotter @ Jul 15 2009, 02:04 PM)
Hey string - some question.

Where did you get your camera from?
how many shots are you getting so far with one battery?
How long the battery needs to recharge?
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YL Photo. Around 300 shots.I left it charging overnight. There is some residual charge, but the amber light turned blue at less than 2 hours. I left it charging nonetheless. May be buying spare BLS-1 battery for those overzealous moments.

QUOTE(hellfire8888 @ Jul 15 2009, 02:07 PM)
would you please clarify your statement? most noob here would not know the real con of this PEN and i just share those info..so what the matter with that? unless u are not smart enuff to diff between fact n fiction between those line from my blog.
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Your supposed "con" are contrived and trivial to me. To keep the E-P1 within its form factors, some of the things you posted there, needs to be sacrificed. But not to a point where it encroaches and impacts the usage and performance of the camera itself. Your post at that blog sounds more like excuses you are making for not wanting to buy the camera.

Anyway, THIS is the reason why I'd rather keep things mum, than anything else. I left my BLS-1 battery pack to charge my posting power back at home, so I don't have the energy or interest to deal with things like this.
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well i did not mention tat the con will impact the overall performance and usability of the camera....
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Then you shouldn't have tagged the title of that blog article as "Bad and Lousy" unless you are fishing for angry responses. I usually dont response to these "baits" but it was posted here, and it was my mistake to even click the link and continue reading it.

If it is meant as your own personal "deterrent" to not get poisoned into getting the E-P1, then I totally get what you mean, but it should be labelled appropriately on the title. But if it is meant as a "bait" to fish angry responses, well...I rest my case.

This will be my last response to this, I dont want to drag this further. The thread is about the E-P1, not about trivial arguments between two strangers.
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Cool guys, i think hellfire just being sarcastic in his blog.

It is ok to state pros and cons as long as it is fact.

Let me analyze hellfire cons based on my own opinion and usage

1. No Auto focus assist light... -> this is really a pain of a$$ for me and the biggest doubt to my purchase
2. No build in flash.. -> it is important whn go clubing or yumcha, but if go out for travel, it doesn't matter as i'll use FL36 anyway. if street shoot, i won't use flash. Understandable due to the size reduction of EP1
3. No viewfinder.. -> I can live with it. If i want it, the only reason is to reduce power consumption from LCD
4. No remote wireless commander.. -> not an issue for me, i dun shoot wireless tongue.gif
5. Not much m4/3 lens available.. -> not an issue for me, no $ to buy anyway laugh.gif i'll buy that panny 45-200 or just use back my 45-150 MK1 FT
6. No matching pouch at the moment.. -> dun like use pouch, love to let it naked tongue.gif
7. Not cheap -> True, i think fair value should be 2200-2300, if too cheap will eventually kill their own entry E-series DSLR
8. Resolution of LCD not the highest in industry.. -> higher is good, but sometimes higher made the picture in LCD looks much nicer than on PC, i admit that I fooled by nice LCD from the DSLR i have previously laugh.gif If i want to request, i would rather have rotating LCD instead but it will also increase the size of EP1
9. No build in GPS.. -> not even in my mind at all
10. No buildin wireless card... -> not even in my mind at all
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the more i stay here...
the more i want this PEN.

argh!

O Stringy One (Stringfellow).
Poison me with your pics. notworthy.gif
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QUOTE(xandman @ Jul 15 2009, 03:14 PM)
the more i stay here...
the more i want this PEN.

argh!

O Stringy One (Stringfellow).
Poison me with your pics. notworthy.gif
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Heh.
Thank god you didnt go to the olympus user group meetup then.
I was already poisoned since last year when olympus showed the mockup.
Then the leaks started to get out a couple of months ago.

By then i was already almost committed.

Then Olympus did the E-P1 meetup.
Habis. biggrin.gif

Now just waiting for my money to come in to get the camera.

Also stringfellow: do you hang your camera around your neck or you have a small bag for the whole kit?
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Xandman & Seaotter,

If you like, I can let you try it out this Friday. I have to be at KLIA early in the morning (7am) to pick up a unit of iPhone 3G[S], and I should be free the entire day after that. I need all the pointers I can get, and I want to learn. You will be surprised how much of a noob I am when it comes to photography.

We can set the meet-up at a venue convenient for everyone, and you pros can test it out, and I'll learn from you guys. I know how to make "this thing blur" here, and "that thing clear there" but that is probably the extent of my skills. sad.gif

Only this Friday I'm free. Tomorrow got a course in Kelana Jaya, and Saturday I'm off to Frankfurt. So, your call.
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QUOTE(stringfellow @ Jul 15 2009, 03:39 PM)
Xandman & Seaotter,

If you like, I can let you try it out this Friday. I have to be at KLIA early in the morning (7am) to pick up a unit of iPhone 3G[S], and I should be free the entire day after that. I need all the pointers I can get, and I want to learn. You will be surprised how much of a noob I am when it comes to photography.

We can set the meet-up at a venue convenient for everyone, and you pros can test it out, and I'll learn from you guys. I know how to make "this thing blur" here, and "that thing clear there" but that is probably the extent of my skills. sad.gif

Only this Friday I'm free. Tomorrow got a course in Kelana Jaya, and Saturday I'm off to Frankfurt. So, your call.
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Oh wow, i am called a pro biggrin.gif
Unfortunately you mislabel me with that misnomer haha.

I will be free after prayers till before 6 - so anywhere in subang/kj would be nice.
Now wait for Xandman.

Also you will make me want (WANT) the Pen more ;_;
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QUOTE(stringfellow @ Jul 15 2009, 03:39 PM)
Xandman & Seaotter,

If you like, I can let you try it out this Friday. I have to be at KLIA early in the morning (7am) to pick up a unit of iPhone 3G[S], and I should be free the entire day after that. I need all the pointers I can get, and I want to learn. You will be surprised how much of a noob I am when it comes to photography.

We can set the meet-up at a venue convenient for everyone, and you pros can test it out, and I'll learn from you guys. I know how to make "this thing blur" here, and "that thing clear there" but that is probably the extent of my skills. sad.gif

Only this Friday I'm free. Tomorrow got a course in Kelana Jaya, and Saturday I'm off to Frankfurt. So, your call.
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SF...
thats very nice of u to poison...i mean invite us for a test drive of the PEN.
But I am afraid I wont be able to make it this Friday.
I'll b having a meeting the whole day.
Thanks for the invitation though.

wah...
dun call me pro.
nowhere near pro!
hahahaha...
but sharing some techniques is not a problem...
i m only good at buying stuff actually... wink.gif


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Alrighty then. Seaotter if you are still keen, Friday after 2pm I can still make it. Need to bring notepad to jot down some pointers from you. tongue.gif

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didnt know u guys were discussing bout this beauty so much in here,tot only in screwscrew.

i just got my hand on EP1 yesterday.nice camera.i love the feeling.it look small,but quite heavy which will provide u the stability. tried with 14-42mm+flash.feels like wana lari from dat kedai with the camera.haha..then tried with 17mm and VF.super classy!i get the same feeling when i try Leica M8.now i dream bout EP1 all day all nite.haishh..no money.
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String, do u find the clip(use to attach the strap) get on the way u hold the camera?

I try and abit uncomfortable as it block my palm.
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String, do u find the clip(use to attach the strap) get on the way u hold the camera?

I try and abit uncomfortable as it block my palm.
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It does actually. The section that attaches to the clip does get entangled sometimes. I'm waiting for September for the white strap + holster combo as per my avatar, it looks elegant that way. It made me extra clumsier as my palm is prone to sweating when I'm trying to compose a shot. Are there any other options that is much better than the included strap? I was informed that metal clip-ons is a no-no that it may be prone to breakage, plus the clink from the metal-on-metal may slip into your movie recording. Hand strap maybe? But I dont know if there are any that is compatible with the E-P1.
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QUOTE(stringfellow @ Jul 15 2009, 11:44 PM)
It does actually. The section that attaches to the clip does get entangled sometimes. I'm waiting for September for the white strap + holster combo as per my avatar, it looks elegant that way. It made me extra clumsier as my palm is prone to sweating when I'm trying to compose a shot. Are there any other options that is much better than the included strap? I was informed that metal clip-ons is a no-no that it may be prone to breakage, plus the clink from the metal-on-metal may slip into your movie recording. Hand strap maybe? But I dont know if there are any that is compatible with the E-P1.
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Most probably I'll just use back my Optech strap that I used on DSLR previously. It is better than normal strap to distribute weight.
Handstrap is a good idea but not sure any handstrap that compatible with EP1 or not currently.

I really found the clip placement odd, it did get on my way how I hold camera normally, unless i change my holding style, else i feel my palm pain.

Well, nothing is perfect I think sweat.gif
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Today went to ask around, many shop don't have twin lens kit available...
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anyone know where have stock with best price?
single lens or twin lens kit also can. smile.gif
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QUOTE(incubrand @ Jul 15 2009, 11:36 PM)
didnt know u guys were discussing bout this beauty so much in here,tot only in screwscrew.

i just got my hand on EP1 yesterday.nice camera.i love the feeling.it look small,but quite heavy which will provide u the stability. tried with 14-42mm+flash.feels like wana lari from dat kedai with the camera.haha..then tried with 17mm and VF.super classy!i get the same feeling when i try Leica M8.now i dream bout EP1 all day all nite.haishh..no money.
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@bolded
if that is true...then i m sold...120% sold!
so u sure bro? brows.gif

please say no!
hahahaa..


Added on July 16, 2009, 8:53 am
QUOTE(stringfellow @ Jul 15 2009, 07:10 PM)
Alrighty then. Seaotter if you are still keen, Friday after 2pm I can still make it. Need to bring notepad to jot down some pointers from you. tongue.gif
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poison him kaw kaw! brows.gif
i wish i could be there to be poisoned!
its been long since anyone managed to poison me... =(
anyway string...
gallery? brows.gif


Added on July 16, 2009, 8:57 amoh one more thing...
is there a 'body only' option for this baby? sweat.gif

bcoz an ultra wide heliar juz caught my attention!
12mm bebeh! brows.gif

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Hey string, i saw this
http://www.leicagoodies.com/sling.more.html
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QUOTE(stringfellow @ Jul 15 2009, 07:10 PM)
Alrighty then. Seaotter if you are still keen, Friday after 2pm I can still make it. Need to bring notepad to jot down some pointers from you. tongue.gif
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Where can we meet up?


QUOTE(xandman @ Jul 16 2009, 08:50 AM)
.......oh one more thing...
is there a 'body only' option for this baby? sweat.gif

bcoz an ultra wide heliar juz caught my attention!
12mm bebeh! brows.gif
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Unfortunately there is no body only option as yet.
How much is the heliar?
Because panasonic has just released a 7-14 (SEVEN MM~!!!) lens for the micro 4/3rds.
So its a 35mm equivalant of 14 mm. That is WIDE.
do check how it looks like here http://www.four-thirds.org/en/products/matching/index.html
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QUOTE(seaotter @ Jul 16 2009, 09:40 AM)
Where can we meet up?
Unfortunately there is no body only option as yet.
How much is the heliar?
Because panasonic has just released a 7-14 (SEVEN MM~!!!) lens for the micro 4/3rds.
So its a 35mm equivalant of 14 mm. That is WIDE.
do check how it looks like here http://www.four-thirds.org/en/products/matching/index.html
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the heliar is arnd 2k.
7-14??? sweat.gif thats very wide indeed!
but its panasonic glass...
not German glass! rclxub.gif
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QUOTE(xandman @ Jul 16 2009, 10:50 AM)
@bolded
if that is true...then i m sold...120% sold!
so u sure bro? brows.gif

please say no!
hahahaa..


Added on July 16, 2009, 8:53 am

NO!..hahaha..well leica will be leica and olympus is olympus. u cant feel like u're driving ferrari when u were driving lambo(both has it own class) and dat is wut i meant.the class.the elegance of EP1. well..EP1 is an option other then Leica.hahaha..u can brag bout it if u own one or both. go buy ler dude,wont regret.owh..get 17mm and VF, and b****es be crazy man!..jk drool.gif drool.gif drool.gif
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QUOTE(xandman @ Jul 16 2009, 09:52 AM)
the heliar is arnd 2k.
7-14??? sweat.gif thats very wide indeed!
but its panasonic glass...
not German glass!  rclxub.gif
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here's some real world and lab samples of the 7-14 glass

http://dc.watch.impress.co.jp/docs/review/...715_302157.html

personally i want to wait for olympus's take on this (or even a new glass based on their 4/3 7-14)
but damn the image samples looks good....


Added on July 16, 2009, 11:04 amguys - check this out. Someone in japan made skins for the e-p1

http://blog.livedoor.jp/e_p1/archives/51247985.html
http://blog.livedoor.jp/e_p1/archives/51247922.html

I LOVE the wood grain. really makes it feel retro.

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DANGEROUS!
this thread is dangerous!!!!!
very bad la all of u!!!!
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QUOTE(xandman @ Jul 16 2009, 11:15 AM)
DANGEROUS!
this thread is dangerous!!!!!
very bad la all of u!!!!
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I'm already drawn to the white side so there is no saving me.
Run xandman run! before you swipe out your credit card! hmm.gif rclxm9.gif icon_idea.gif icon_idea.gif thumbup.gif
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sorry i found the answer...
the ability to shoot 6x6!
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QUOTE(xandman @ Jul 16 2009, 11:33 AM)
sorry i found the answer...
the ability to shoot 6x6!
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All i can say is - when are you buying yours?


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QUOTE(silverstan @ Jul 16 2009, 12:50 AM)
Today went to ask around, many shop don't have twin lens kit available...
sad.gif
anyone know where have stock with best price?
single lens or twin lens kit also can. smile.gif
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You can try this shop - dslr in subang parade. its in the IT center area there, after the phone booths. Ask for edwin. He can help with the twin lens kit.

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looking at the currect poison level : it shud be soon! brows.gif
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QUOTE(seaotter @ Jul 16 2009, 12:56 PM)
All i can say is - when are you buying yours?


Added on July 16, 2009, 11:57 am

You can try this shop - dslr in subang parade. its in the IT center area there, after the phone booths. Ask for edwin. He can help with the twin lens kit.
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wat price they sell there? u got the tel? can pm me?
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QUOTE(hellfire8888 @ Jul 16 2009, 01:35 PM)
wat price they sell there? u got the tel? can pm me?
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Didnt get the number coz i went there personally to ask.

Cant remember the price also. Sorry
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Officially a Pen owner, truly CAN'T resist the temptation... doh.gif
Got the Silver E-P1 with a Silver 14-42mm... DAMN SEXY!!! wub.gif Now to sell my E-420+25mm Pancake... wink.gif

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QUOTE(ae8za @ Jul 16 2009, 07:00 PM)
Officially a Pen owner, truly CAN'T resist the temptation...  doh.gif
Got the Silver E-P1 with a Silver 14-42mm... DAMN SEXY!!!  wub.gif  Now to sell my E-420+25mm Pancake... wink.gif
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Wah congrats... I think I need to update first page for owner....
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QUOTE(ae8za @ Jul 16 2009, 07:00 PM)
Officially a Pen owner, truly CAN'T resist the temptation...  doh.gif
Got the Silver E-P1 with a Silver 14-42mm... DAMN SEXY!!!  wub.gif  Now to sell my E-420+25mm Pancake... wink.gif
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Maybe you should hold the pancake first.
Try and get the MMF-1 adaptor and put on the pancake. see how it feels like.
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QUOTE(ae8za @ Jul 16 2009, 09:00 PM)
Officially a Pen owner, truly CAN'T resist the temptation...  doh.gif
Got the Silver E-P1 with a Silver 14-42mm... DAMN SEXY!!!  wub.gif  Now to sell my E-420+25mm Pancake... wink.gif
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apa lagi..show off la dude..haha..post some pic taken with EP1 here.nway,congrats!! rclxms.gif rclxms.gif
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i agree!
show off kaw kaw!
i need some serious knock in the head now!
to knock some sense so i would buy it faster! brows.gif
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QUOTE(ae8za @ Jul 16 2009, 07:00 PM)
Officially a Pen owner, truly CAN'T resist the temptation...  doh.gif
Got the Silver E-P1 with a Silver 14-42mm... DAMN SEXY!!!  wub.gif  Now to sell my E-420+25mm Pancake... wink.gif
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Is this a grey import set? I called Olympus Malaysia this afternoon to check whether they brought in silver E-P1 with silver 14-42mm kit lens and was told by them that Olympus Malaysia did not bring in this combination.


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Got myself a Silver E-P1 today!

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another poison.haihh...ui..come,show ur pic take with EP1 ler..wana see..then i can kumpul duit,buy EP1.
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QUOTE(pst999 @ Jul 16 2009, 10:45 PM)
Is this a grey import set? I called Olympus Malaysia this afternoon to check whether they brought in silver E-P1 with silver 14-42mm kit lens and was told by them that Olympus Malaysia did not bring in this combination.
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Nope, Olympus Malaysia set... rclxms.gif Just need to be nice to the Taukeh and exchange with the White E-P1's kitlens... brows.gif
WALAH!!! Custom All Silver E-P1... thumbup.gif
Now to take photo with it and hopefully can post in my Flickr by weekend... biggrin.gif
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Guys - my bank book is crying now - because i am a proud owner of a silver e-p1!

Haha. So now i join the short list on the front to explore with this wonderful new gadget.
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seaotter!
hahahaha...congrats!
wats the damage like?

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QUOTE(xandman @ Jul 17 2009, 11:23 PM)
seaotter!
hahahaha...congrats!
wats the damage like?

any pics? brows.gif
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Bought it at RM2880 at dslr in Subang parade, and also bought an extra BLS-1 battery for another RM 250, so it was RM3130 altogether.

Now i am just waiting for the boss to bring in Metz flashes so i can get one :3

lol. Going to Bon Odori tomorrow so hope some good ones turn up ya.
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Owner pls PM me what you bought (color etc) and price so that I can update the front page.


Added on July 17, 2009, 11:56 pmBy the way, seems like all owner haven't post any pic here.. laugh.gif

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QUOTE(gogo2 @ Jul 17 2009, 11:55 PM)
Owner pls PM me what you bought (color etc) and price so that I can update the front page.


Added on July 17, 2009, 11:56 pmBy the way, seems like all owner haven't post any pic here.. laugh.gif
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Ala nanti la. We all just got the camera. Give us some time to get used to the camera and all.

Also stringfellow will be taking pics of frankfurt so we will be getting some nice non-malaysian shots
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woah...
all have gotten theirs!
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seaotter...show some poison later! brows.gif
ill be waiting! hehehe..
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i went to sg wang..none of them have twin kit set...arghhhhh
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QUOTE(seaotter @ Jul 17 2009, 11:46 PM)
Bought it at RM2880 at dslr in Subang parade, and also bought an extra BLS-1 battery for another RM 250, so it was RM3130 altogether.

Now i am just waiting for the boss to bring in Metz flashes so i can get one :3

lol. Going to Bon Odori tomorrow so hope some good ones turn up ya.
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Hmmm, kinda expensive price you paid there. hmm.gif Got mine in KK for RM2650, even BLS-1 is selling RM190 here... I thought it should be selling cheaper in Peninsular Malaysia... blink.gif
Haven't had the time to shoot with it yet, SC still 3 as only took pics of my cat to test low light capabilities. laugh.gif
In Miri shooting events now so brought the big twin guns only... thumbup.gif
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QUOTE(ae8za @ Jul 18 2009, 07:40 PM)
Hmmm, kinda expensive price you paid there.  hmm.gif  Got mine in KK for RM2650, even BLS-1 is selling RM190 here... I thought it should be selling cheaper in Peninsular Malaysia...  blink.gif
Haven't had the time to shoot with it yet, SC still 3 as only took pics of my cat to test low light capabilities.  laugh.gif
In Miri shooting events now so brought the big twin guns only...  thumbup.gif
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I was in YL Camera today. Met some guy who got his EP-1 today.

YL Camera has it in stock as of late afternoon Saturday. RM2.6K for Single kit lens. Donno if they have white color or not. Don't think so.
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http://www.memerang.com/Photogallery/index...=bon-odori-2009

Have some pics from last night Bon Odori.

No other post production done other than resizing.
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QUOTE(calvin_gsc @ Jul 19 2009, 01:03 AM)
I was in YL Camera today. Met some guy who got his EP-1 today.

YL Camera has it in stock as of late afternoon Saturday. RM2.6K for Single kit lens. Donno if they have white color or not. Don't think so.
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I think I am the one who bought the Pen from YL this afternoon, twin kit lens. Bought it expensive cause they think they have the only unit in KL. Anyway, I bought the camera and the flash. Use it mainly for traveling and when I do not feel like carrying my A900 along.
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I think I am the one who bought the Pen from YL this afternoon, twin kit lens. Bought it expensive cause they think they have the only unit in KL. Anyway, I bought the camera and the flash. Use it mainly for traveling and when I do not feel like carrying my A900 along.
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Were you the guy I met? Cause I spoke to the guy about his camera.
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I dont think so. I didnt speak to anyone.
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I dont think so. I didnt speak to anyone.
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haha, means another guy.

Looks like YL just brought in the stock y'day. Explains why a lot of people got their's from YL yesterday.
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Be careful, they charging it higher now...Not very honest ppl
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Be careful, they charging it higher now...Not very honest ppl
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QUOTE(seaotter @ Jul 19 2009, 04:34 PM)
http://www.memerang.com/Photogallery/index...=bon-odori-2009

Have some pics from last night Bon Odori.

No other post production done other than resizing.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BRM7U9pfsQs

And a short clip of the event. Straight from camera to youtube - no PP.

I feel i spent the appropriate amount of money to get the E-P1 event though its cheaper else where.
Its the follies of being the 'FIRST~~!' people to get it, but i am really liking this camera.

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Have a bit more poison guys :3
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the twin kit lesn some say can sell rm3300 ..fot**em say rm3500 and others even at rm3800 to rm3900 ..so the price diff is damn huge due to the high demand for it..
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hi everybody, is there any1, specialised in Olympus E620. Just bought one. need some tips to take good pix in functions without flash. Pls help. Thx.


Added on July 19, 2009, 9:43 pmhi everybody, is there any1, specialised in Olympus E620. Just bought one. need some tips to take good pix in functions without flash. Pls help. Thx. Please send the tips to pv_vp@hotmail.com. thank you so much.

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QUOTE(seaotter @ Jul 19 2009, 07:42 PM)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BRM7U9pfsQs

And a short clip of the event. Straight from camera to youtube - no PP.

I feel i spent the appropriate amount of money to get the E-P1 event though its cheaper else where.
Its the follies of being the 'FIRST~~!' people to get it, but i am really liking this camera.

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nice!
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but now...
i hate u! sweat.gif

hahahaha...
alamak...this is not good!!!!!

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I've changed the title to Olympus E-P1 and Panasonic mFT user at the request of Harrychoo and also the fact that dpreview did the same due to avalanche of E-P1 thread in Olympus FT forum. tongue.gif

Any new user for any mFT can PM to add in to user database smile.gif
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QUOTE(kumageet @ Jul 19 2009, 10:38 PM)
hi everybody, is there any1, specialised in Olympus E620. Just bought one. need some tips to take good pix in functions without flash. Pls help. Thx.


Added on July 19, 2009, 9:43 pmhi everybody, is there any1, specialised in Olympus E620. Just bought one. need some tips to take good pix in functions without flash. Pls help. Thx. Please send the tips to pv_vp@hotmail.com. thank you so much.
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u join the wrong thread ..there is another oly thread for 4/3 format...


anyway to get good pic without flash depend on what you shoot....is it events , nite scene? etc..u need to be specific what u shoot....


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QUOTE(calvin_gsc @ Jul 19 2009, 01:03 AM)
I was in YL Camera today. Met some guy who got his EP-1 today.

YL Camera has it in stock as of late afternoon Saturday. RM2.6K for Single kit lens. Donno if they have white color or not. Don't think so.
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i got my single kit lens for RM 2650.
1st shop i went at BB plaza offered me RM 2600, but they don't have silver color.
Then i went to lowyat plaza, they have silver color but lowest they can give is RM 2650 without any free gift.


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QUOTE(seaotter @ Jul 19 2009, 04:34 PM)
http://www.memerang.com/Photogallery/index...=bon-odori-2009

Have some pics from last night Bon Odori.

No other post production done other than resizing.
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You pedo little girl:
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QUOTE(gogo2 @ Jul 20 2009, 01:19 PM)
You pedo little girl:
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They are all pretty yukatas though biggrin.gif rclxms.gif
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can post something abt lumix g1 or gh1 here ?
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O man...
I just came back from testing this little cam...
and i liked it! icon_question.gif

it feels like a M8 jr.! minus the rangefinder of coz!

Seaotter...
where did u get urs from?

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QUOTE(xandman @ Jul 21 2009, 02:22 PM)
O man...
I just came back from testing this little cam...
and i liked it! icon_question.gif

it feels like a M8 jr.! minus the rangefinder of coz!

Seaotter...
where did u get urs from?
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I got mine from a camera shop in subang parade. I did pay a bit more than the shops you can find in KL, but it was less than the 2999 advertised by Olympus malaysia.
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owh ok...
u r the one that says it feels like a leica rite?
that saying is true!
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rclxms.gif

now i can officially join this thread!

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silver unit!
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Congrats Xandman... wink.gif
Anybody selling the silver 17mm pancake??? Serious buyer here... smile.gif Or can swap with my 25mm pancake...

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hahahaha....
the lense is sold separately actually...
1199...ive been told... biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(xandman @ Jul 23 2009, 09:48 PM)
hahahaha....
the lense is sold separately actually...
1199...ive been told... biggrin.gif
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SAY WHATTTT??? shocking.gif
That's damn expensive, I was expecting RM6xx-7xx region. Might not be worth buying then as 14-42mm is far sharper, also the obvious CA with wide aperture... shakehead.gif
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thats wat i tot too at first...
so the kitty lense will suffice for the time being...
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until the 20 1.7 comes out...
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Everyday I open The Star paper, see this gwailo lenglui holding shiny thing drool.gif. Where is the Olympus Malaysia office ah? Maybe can go there get brochure. Wat to do. Pocket koyak oledi cry.gif cry.gif cry.gif. Get brochure only la. biggrin.gif

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brochure?
j-1 oso got brochure la bro!
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brochure?
j-1 oso got brochure la bro!
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J-One? No thanks shakehead.gif . I only wan to go to Olympus Malaysia. Olympus Malaysia for sure don't sell 16-85 DX Nikon lens, SB-600 Speedlight, Hoya filter and wat not. icon_idea.gif

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hhhahaha...
now i get u! wink.gif
i dunno la bro where is oly msia!
hehehe..
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QUOTE(xandman @ Jul 23 2009, 08:22 PM)
rclxms.gif

now i can officially join this thread!

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silver unit!
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congrat! u only got 14-42mm? is it silver color too?

I wonder why so many people get E-P1 silver. I thought white will be the order of the day hmm.gif
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the lense is black...
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y i got the silver...
it's easy...
bcoz it matches well with black or silver lenses from leica, zeiss or voigtlander... brows.gif
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QUOTE(gogo2 @ Jul 24 2009, 08:19 AM)
congrat! u only got 14-42mm? is it silver color too?

I wonder why so many people get E-P1 silver. I thought white will be the order of the day  hmm.gif
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QUOTE(xandman @ Jul 24 2009, 09:10 AM)
the lense is black...
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y i got the silver...
it's easy...
bcoz it matches well with black or silver lenses from leica, zeiss or voigtlander... brows.gif
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That, and the white is RIDICULOUSLY out of stock ALL Over the world right now cry.gif cry.gif
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not really seaotter...
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i compared them both side to side yesterday...
and silver won my heart! biggrin.gif


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Guys,

Malaysia is not selling the EP-1 + 17mm package right? Where can I get it ya? Btw any accouncement on new micro 4/3 lenses? upcoming pancake etc?

Regards,

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QUOTE(xandman @ Jul 24 2009, 10:28 AM)
not really seaotter...
biggrin.gif
i compared them both side to side yesterday...
and silver won my heart! biggrin.gif
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go for the japan modification skin. drool.gif

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Actually the Pearl White version won my heart too... wink.gif
But as Xandman noted, the silver version is easier to match with all the lense you can stick on the PEN... smile.gif
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One question though.

What are you guys using for a bag for the E-P1?
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bag?
what bag?
hahahahaha... biggrin.gif
tourist style...no bag juz strap! wink.gif
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Have some more poison from the E-P1.

ISO1600 f3.5@ 1.6 seconds.
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QUOTE(seaotter @ Jul 24 2009, 12:43 PM)
One question though.

What are you guys using for a bag for the E-P1?
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Either I'm hand holding it (not using the strap, only wrist strap), rclxms.gif
or it's in my TTP Speed Demon with the FL-36R and E-420+25mm Pancake and 50 f/2... laugh.gif
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QUOTE(ae8za @ Jul 24 2009, 09:41 PM)
Either I'm hand holding it (not using the strap, only wrist strap), rclxms.gif
or it's in my TTP Speed Demon with the FL-36R and E-420+25mm Pancake and 50 f/2...  laugh.gif
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The Speed Demon is nifty....but is huge for me.
I am thinking of getting the Crumpler 2 million or Large Bundle or 4 million.

One of these days i will be going to KLCC to see it.
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QUOTE(seaotter @ Jul 24 2009, 07:49 PM)
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Have some more poison from the E-P1.

ISO1600 f3.5@ 1.6 seconds.
Photoshoped via manipulating the curves and cropping off glass reflection. Nothing more
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thats a very clean ISO1600 indeed!
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but the overblown highlights distract me a bit...
other than that... thumbup.gif
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anyone got any idea when they'll have the white EP1 with twin lens package?
I understand the 1st launch is only for silver EP1 with twin lens.


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QUOTE(ASAP @ Jul 19 2009, 05:05 PM)
Be careful, they charging it higher now...Not very honest ppl
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Oh, how much they charged you for the EP1+twin lens package?
As I was there after the 1st batch sold out, i think they told me is around RM3200 or RM3300 and I checked around, that's the cheapest price.

And how much you bought for the flash?

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QUOTE(qtee @ Jul 25 2009, 09:15 PM)
anyone got any idea when they'll have the white EP1 with twin lens package?
I understand the 1st launch is only for silver EP1 with twin lens.
Oh, how much they charged you for the EP1+twin lens package?
As I was there after the 1st batch sold out, i think they told me is around RM3200 or RM3300 and I checked around, that's the cheapest price.
And how much you bought for the flash?
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wont have any chance getting white twin lens kit in malaysia
FL-14 flash around RM500
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wcs...
u sell the flash?
i m looking for one! biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(wcs2798 @ Jul 25 2009, 11:39 PM)
wont have any chance getting white twin lens kit in malaysia
FL-14 flash around RM500
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really? any idea why?
If bought it separately, is about rm1100?
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Anyone know where to find Pen in JB area?
Price range?
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What's the longest exposure of E-P1? Is it 60s?
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QUOTE(Mr.LKM @ Jul 26 2009, 01:49 PM)
What's the longest exposure of E-P1? Is it 60s?
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60sec, same as most DSLR.

Should be set to BULB mode as well.
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I have a minor question here.

How do you guys hold/hand position on the ep-1 when taking pictures?

i.e. : For a slr you put your eye onto the viewfinder while your hands grip the lens and camera body.

Considering the PEN do not have a viewfinder, how do you guys do it?
The same method as a PnS?

Thanks
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QUOTE(harrychoo @ Jul 26 2009, 06:50 PM)
60sec, same as most DSLR.

Should be set to BULB mode as well.
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Do you mean if I set it to BULB mode I can exceed 60s?
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dear sifus.. wink.gif
i owned a E-410 together wif FL-36R..
but now,im poisoned with this PEN..im considering in trade-in/selling my dslr,since PEN for my opinion is more easy to carry,n not big as dslr and practical to use as daily camera..
now,i need all the sifus some comment..do images/setting/quality etc from this PEN is more syiok/best/excellent (generally) from my E-410??..and if im to get this PEN,FL-36R is better from FL-14 right??
plzz help me to make the decision..hehe
thank u,dear all sifus notworthy.gif notworthy.gif notworthy.gif
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QUOTE(amirmunzir @ Jul 26 2009, 07:25 PM)
dear sifus.. wink.gif
i owned a E-410 together wif FL-36R..
but now,im poisoned with this PEN..im considering in trade-in/selling my dslr,since PEN for my opinion is more easy to carry,n not big as dslr and practical to use as daily camera..
now,i need all the sifus some comment..do images/setting/quality etc from this PEN is more syiok/best/excellent (generally) from my E-410??..and if im to get this PEN,FL-36R is better from FL-14 right??
plzz help me to make the decision..hehe
thank u,dear all sifus notworthy.gif  notworthy.gif  notworthy.gif
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Hi there,
I own a E-420+25mm Pancake and also the FL-36R. At first. when I 'accidentally' brows.gif bought the PEN, first thought came to mind is selling the E-420 but now that I used the PEN thoroughly, decided not to sell it anymore. smile.gif
Reason being that the PEN is not suitable for fast action photography and composing can be a challenge if you're used to using the viewfinder. Image quality wise, the PEN smoked my E-420 flat out including high ISO shots. wink.gif
The FL-36R is just nice IMHO combined with the PEN and you get swivel head and bounce action. FL-14 is nice but it's too P&S direct lighting. Never like direct flash... tongue.gif
Whatever your decisions are, I don't think any of it will be wrong as the PEN is a GREAT camera... thumbup.gif
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QUOTE(ae8za @ Jul 26 2009, 09:26 PM)
Hi there,
I own a E-420+25mm Pancake and also the FL-36R. At first. when I 'accidentally'  brows.gif  bought the PEN, first thought came to mind is selling the E-420 but now that I used the PEN thoroughly, decided not to sell it anymore.  smile.gif
Reason being that the PEN is not suitable for fast action photography and composing can be a challenge if you're used to using the viewfinder. Image quality wise, the PEN smoked my E-420 flat out including high ISO shots.  wink.gif
The FL-36R is just nice IMHO combined with the PEN and you get swivel head and bounce action. FL-14 is nice but it's too P&S direct lighting. Never like direct flash...  tongue.gif
Whatever your decisions are, I don't think any of it will be wrong as the PEN is a GREAT camera...  thumbup.gif
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hurm..1stly,thank u for comment my post..
bout the viewfinder,its ok with me to switch back to use liveview..but,ur comment bout "is not suitable for fast action photography" worried me..maybe i shud take that as one of factor, in considering..bout ur other comment on quality wise etc, i believe this PEN is more in every aspect compared to my E-410 right?..aaa personally i dun like my E-410..huhu

btw,thanks,ae8za notworthy.gif ...looking foward for another comment..thanks sifuss notworthy.gif

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Somehow, I believe this camera is more for casual use. Fast action photography is definitely not an area for this camera.
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nothing can beat a pure breed DSLR.

but the PEN can almost give most DSLR a run for its money.

so keep ur DSLR for serious shoots.
use PEN for everything else!


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Somehow, I believe this camera is more for casual use. Fast action photography is definitely not an area for this camera.
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exactly!
it's more towards rangefinder style photography. =)

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QUOTE(xandman @ Jul 26 2009, 10:17 PM)
nothing can beat a pure breed DSLR.

but the PEN can almost give most DSLR a run for its money.

so keep ur DSLR for serious shoots.
use PEN for everything else!


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keep the DSLR?? hmm.gif ..then no PEN unsure.gif ..huhu..need to consider n reconsider n think n rethink rclxub.gif
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get both!
i have both!
and i m happy with....both!
ahahahaha...
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For events and serious shooting, I got my twin 5DIIs and L lenses... smile.gif
The E-420 and PEN will be my travel and street cam definitely... laugh.gif
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hish cry.gif ..one more consideration,single or twin lens?..sory sifuss,if this question make u guys feels like u r deciding for me sweat.gif ..heheh..danmm this PEN really giv me a headache!!..which one is better,since im just taking all type of photos and just for hobby icon_idea.gif

QUOTE(xandman @ Jul 26 2009, 11:09 PM)
get both!
i have both!
and i m happy with....both!
ahahahaha...
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bro xandman,get both?..then both of my backpocket will tear doh.gif ..haha

QUOTE(ae8za @ Jul 27 2009, 12:49 AM)
For events and serious shooting, I got my twin 5DIIs and L lenses...  smile.gif
The E-420 and PEN will be my travel and street cam definitely...  laugh.gif
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u do businesses with ur cam,no wonder u can keep ur E-420..huhu..me,just student,get into photography just as a hobby.. cool2.gif
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QUOTE(amirmunzir @ Jul 27 2009, 01:12 AM)
hish cry.gif ..one more consideration,single or twin lens?..sory sifuss,if this question make u guys feels like u r deciding for me sweat.gif ..heheh..danmm this PEN really giv me a headache!!..which one is better,since im just taking all type of photos and just for hobby icon_idea.gif
bro xandman,get both?..then both of my backpocket will tear doh.gif ..haha
u do businesses with ur cam,no wonder u can keep ur E-420..huhu..me,just student,get into photography just as a hobby.. cool2.gif
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koyak is ok...as long as ur heart is happy... biggrin.gif

believe me or not...
i use the d3 oso for play2 only... biggrin.gif

get the PEN...it's damn good!

owh and juz get the single lense first if ur pocket doesnt permit...
u can always upgrade later in the future...
like wat i did... biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(xandman @ Jul 27 2009, 08:37 AM)
koyak is ok...as long as ur heart is happy... biggrin.gif

believe me or not...
i use the d3 oso for play2 only... biggrin.gif

get the PEN...it's damn good!

owh and juz get the single lense first if ur pocket doesnt permit...
u can always upgrade later in the future...
like wat i did... biggrin.gif
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i like ur statement "as long as ur heart is happy" brows.gif ..hahah..money can be find later,heart must alway be happy right..hurm..need to buy it more earlier laa..hahah..perhaps at this weekned pc fair??..aiyoo..money3..

xandman,share laa some picture from pro like u snap using this PEN..

sory if i OT alot sweat.gif
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pic from pro?
sweat.gif u must be kidding rite? tongue.gif

hahahahaha...

i m only pro at buying stuff! biggrin.gif

I'll share some later...but i m no pro...trust me!
hahaha...
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2 images from my trip to France. Both taken using the Olympus PEN, I am new in photography so please dont bantai me so much...
This picture is taken at Bedoin which is the last town before the climb to Mt Ventoux. It was such a hot day, I was carrying the camera in bike bag and I got to cycle 55km to get to this town from my hotel.
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This picture is taken yesterday in Paris city itself the last stage of Tour De France. Sorry that I couldnt any closer to the riders, I was late to get to the race.
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QUOTE(miniacs @ Jul 28 2009, 05:47 AM)
2 images from my trip to France. Both taken using the Olympus PEN, I am new in photography so please dont bantai me so much...
This picture is taken at Bedoin which is the last town before the climb to Mt Ventoux. It was such a hot day, I was carrying the camera in bike bag and I got to cycle 55km to get to this town from my hotel.
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This picture is taken yesterday in Paris city itself the last stage of Tour De France. Sorry that I couldnt any closer to the riders, I was late to get to the race.
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It's too small to judge anything in particular. But it does look like the first photo is underexposed because of backlighting.
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Wah...Got alot of PEN sifu in photographer here.... anyway i would like to ask a few opinion here since i still "green" in photography skill....

For E-Pen 1, What the best lens to used for night shot ? 14-42mm 1:3.5-5.6 lens or 17mm 1:2.8 Pancake lens silver ?
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QUOTE(d33pbluez @ Jul 28 2009, 09:19 AM)
Wah...Got alot of PEN sifu in photographer here.... anyway i would like to ask a few opinion here since i still "green" in photography skill....

For E-Pen 1, What the best lens to used for night shot ? 14-42mm 1:3.5-5.6 lens or 17mm 1:2.8 Pancake lens silver ?
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if u have a tripod...
any lense is good...

else...anything with a big aperture helps...and also a flash! biggrin.gif


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ic...thanks xandman.....hmm~! speaking of flash i heard alot of user dislike using FL-14 flash....say what flash would you recommend ?
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ic...thanks xandman.....hmm~! speaking of flash i heard alot of user dislike using FL-14 flash....say what flash would you recommend ?
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if i,i would say FL-36R..
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if u ask me...
i'll say fl-14!

it fits nicely with the PEN...
and i dun understand y one wouldnt like the flash.... hmm.gif

bocz if i need some powerful flash...i'd go with my nikon rig...

actually if u know how to actually use the flash...
it's damn useful... biggrin.gif

FL-36R would look....awkward on the PEN...
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QUOTE(xandman @ Jul 28 2009, 02:22 PM)

it fits nicely with the PEN...
and i dun understand y one wouldnt like the flash.... hmm.gif
Well mostly i read they are had less function then the normal flash...like FL -36R mention by amirmunzir....

and i read alot of FL-36R with PEN....

I'm still considering which package i going to get maybe the twin lens or the single lens + flash....because i love to take night scene photo alot.... biggrin.gif

if i would get twin lens + flash ...this will blow my pocket real wide open.... cry.gif
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fl-14 has a GN of 20 at iso200...
thats good enuff for a recreational camera for me.. biggrin.gif

i bought PEN for it's small size...i wouldnt want to add a big flash to it...it's pointless... biggrin.gif

but if PEN is ur one and only camera...then it makes more sense.. biggrin.gif

if u know how to control the flash...
even a small flash is useful...despite the limited range...and underpowered of coz... biggrin.gif
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well xandman, if budget is 3.5k what package would you choose ?
With twin lens - flash or single lens + flash ?

Understand the flash is important aspect of PEN during the night shot.... hmm.gif



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if u ask me...
i'll get the single lense + flash!
u could do a lot more things with a flash than with a 17mm!
trust me...u wont be disappointed!
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Anyway is the view finder must have ? .... i heard the LCD will not be switch off even with view finder .... that bad...sure LCD get alot of power consumption....
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the viewfinder is of no use actually...
except to make the PEN a bit more pro...
the LCD is able to show the composition of the 17mm lense accurately...
so the vf is redundant i shud say. biggrin.gif
unless u off the lcd and use the vf for composition...
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Hmm....i can imagine how weird on holding the camera when taking picture ... with zoom kit lense...
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seriously bro.
thats wat i tot too at first...
but actually...
it's no problem at all! biggrin.gif
try it first...then ull know...
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If you want an alternative to the FL-36,

You can always try the Metz 20-C.

No TTL mode, only manual and auto BUT it has a GN of 20 just like the FL-14, and can tilt up to 90 degrees for bounce, like a higher end camera would.
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This shot was taken by using the Olympus E-P1 smile.gif
Sure is a nice small camera to be having around apart from the bulks of DSLR systems.

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QUOTE(jayhan1978 @ Jul 28 2009, 07:01 PM)
This shot was taken by using the Olympus E-P1 smile.gif
Sure is a nice small camera to be having around apart from the bulks of DSLR systems.

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Nice one there. f13? that is a very high f-stop value. If i am not mistaken - very small apature?
Also, what flash did you use to fill in the model?
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O ye da lighting mastah!
da shot iz rulz!

Radio trigger?
i hate u mastah!

hahahahaha...

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yeah radio trigga!
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radio trigga on da little thingamajig iz da bomb!

thou rocketh hardeth mastah! notworthy.gif


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ok la. saja main main. review unit sent to me wan...
so tried out the hotshoe and see if this thing works or not.
surprisingly it can sync faster than normal 1/200th!!
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wth?
i was told this PEN only syncs up to 1/180???!!!!
u mean PEN can sync faster than 1/180?
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dude this shot alone i was syncing at 1/250sec tongue.gif
check the exif which is still intact
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serious shit?
this i have to try... biggrin.gif
thx for the tips man!
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Hey JayHan,
What trigger did you use? Popper? Wizard?? Or the PT-04??? smile.gif
Nice capture there... wink.gif
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radiopopper is out of the question...
i m thinking PW or cactus...
last i played with his trigga...it's the pt-04...
maybe masta upgrade d! biggrin.gif

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Whoah, I got the PT-04... Been itching to try it with the E-P1 but afraid to fry the hot shoe... smile.gif
Confirm using with the PT-04???
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nope not PT04
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PWs????!!!! shocking.gif
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Must be Poppers then... wink.gif
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hahahahha... brows.gif

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QUOTE(xandman @ Jul 26 2009, 10:17 PM)
nothing can beat a pure breed DSLR.

but the PEN can almost give most DSLR a run for its money.

so keep ur DSLR for serious shoots.
use PEN for everything else!


Added on July 26, 2009, 10:17 pm

exactly!
it's more towards rangefinder style photography. =)
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Fully agree. EP-1 as a backup maybe, but no way it is going to fully replace a DSLR. With a lens of f/3.5, you lose the bokeh and control of DOP.
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QUOTE(ZhaoYun @ Jul 29 2009, 12:10 AM)
Fully agree. EP-1 as a backup maybe, but no way it is going to fully replace a DSLR. With a lens of f/3.5, you lose the bokeh and control of DOP.
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As you are a d700 user, I don't get why you said lens of f/3.5 blah blah blah. You know E-P1 lens is interchangeable right? And
Panasonic is coming out with 20mm f/1.7.

The only reason I can think of why E-P1 is not able to fully replace dSLR yet, is because the speed and some people like to use OVF.
Besides that, I think every other feature of E-P1 is same as lowest end dSLR. Of course its not comparable to D700.

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