Jayhan bro is a light master you know hehehe... He's a well known strobist from the other forums Jayhan... nice light setup you have there and good to see you here.

I'm sure it can accommodate better lenses and Olympus is building the Micro Zuiko lens family. This is a new product/family and there's just 2 lens to begin with. Also the Zuiko family has some pretty nice lenses some even rivaling Canon/Nikon's flagship.

But you're right at this moment. F3.5 is not enough for bokeh. Heck some even think F2.8 is not good enough. But I wonder if this can take a Zuiko 14-35mm F2 ED SWD?

This post has been edited by davidmak: Jul 29 2009, 09:01 AM

woah?!
u must be kidding rite?

U can mount anything from m42 to M mount to even F mount lense on this little thinggamajiggy!

Therefore i dun recall ANY of the said mounts restrict their lense to f3.5....
There's Noctilux 50 f/0.95...
There's Nokton 50 f/1.1...
There's Summilux 50 f/1.4
There's Nikkor Ai-S 50 f/1.2...
There's Summilux 24 f/1.4...
and so on and so forth...

so...thats not a limiting factor at all...

It can be a DSLR replacement. if u dun mind the lack of speed and optical view finder. =)

I m sure u already are aware of this yes?
Since u urself are a d700 user...

Not kidding, I would never replace my D700 with EP-1, take it as a backup, definitely. Maybe I should be more detail in my statement, I am referring to the KIT LENS which come with this camera, it has a f/3.5-5.6, right ? :-)

if u r refering to kit lens...
then u shud refer to DSLR kit lens too...
which also have a max of f3.5...
so it's the same...still limited in the bokeh department...
right?

=)

I believe this is better... I copied my post from Lumix LX3 thread. Bought it for my LX3 and TTL works!

For those who are interested with the Metz Mecablitz 36 AF-4 here are some product information:



Product Name/Model: Metz Mecablitz 36 AF-4O <-- O for Olympus/Panasonic FourThirds
Product Page: HERE
Specification: HERE
Place of purchase: KeyColor Midvalley
Price: RM380 (Cash Price)
Promotion: If you buy this in Midvalley, remember the MasterCard and Midvalley Megasale promotion

If you checkout the photo of this Mecablitz 36 AF-4, the hot shoe locking mechanism (right at the bottom) is a screw down lock type. This is the old version. The new version features a quick release locking mechanism. Yes something like Canon 580EX II but this is more plastic and flimsy. Remember to check the pins and to make sure they match the ones on the Lumix LX3 hotshoe.

Also please avoid this model which is considered old. Its the Metz Mecablitz 36 C-2. This one does not feature TTL but can also do automatic flash exposure. It uses auto-thyristor which can be tricky to use and is more like a 90s film technology. This is the product page for the C-2. CLICK HERE

Here are some of the feature tested:

+ TTL totally works!
+ In-flash body TTL indicator works!
+ Flash compensation works! (via in-camera menu)
+ Flash sync tested until 1/125, 1/200 not yet try
+ Automatic fill-in mode depending on setting
+ Vertical flash bounce
+ Pin to pin compatible
+ Fast locking/unlocking mechanism
+ Serviceable via flashing (future proof)
+ Pretty quick recharge. 3fps no problem
+ Recharge after full blast is fast too

- Manual zoom head (no auto)
- No swivel (horizontal)
- Plastic mount
- IR beam not working (only on camera body)

In conclusion this looks to be a nice external flash for the Lumix LX3. The size isn't really big like the EX580 II (LoL!!!) and it fits the camera just nice. Although it is still not balanced but this is the smallest external flash with head bounce I can find.

This post has been edited by davidmak: Jul 29 2009, 11:21 AM

wah, are you saying ZhaoYun's Nikon D700 - Nikkor 24-85 f/2.8-4D, Nikkor 70-200 F/2.8 AF-S
cannot have bokeh and DOP?

Anyway, E-P1 kitlens have f/2.8 la. I think the 17mm is f/2.8. Does that means E-P1
is equivalent to D700 due to E-P1 having f/2.8 as ZhaoYun's D700????

This is E-P1 bokeh with kitlens 17mm f/2.8:







This post has been edited by gogo2: Jul 29 2009, 11:44 AM

erm i heard u need an adapter for 4/3 to micro 4/3 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Micro_Four_Thirds

Some lens will be on Manual focus

I mean some... some... hehehe Bokeh depends on subject positioning. A lens at tele and focusing to a close subject with the background far away will also become very blur... Round diaphragms will also give nice bokeh. Optical characteristic will also give out soft focusing which is very pleasing to the eye and dreamy.

The people I know, thinks 2.8 is not blur enough unless you try hard. Like how the picture you show is focused close while background is far far away. Its easy to get a blur background. But the degree of blur is very subjective. Some go to extends of F1.2. You get what I mean?

But bokeh should not be the only thing we should strive for. Not everything must be blur. That is not the only thing in photography. Thats very amateur. Anyone with such a lens can produce such an effect. Proper use of bokeh requires creativity and the use of right equipment. Now that is a difference.

This post has been edited by davidmak: Jul 29 2009, 01:13 PM

Walaoyeh. Just now say ZhaoYun's f/2.8 cannot get bokeh. Now you his concern about bokeh is very amateur...
Cham lor you. Later he come back shoot you liao

Anyway, the example of bokeh I give is very terrible. Very distracting bokeh.

Aiyer bro... you misunderstand me lar... I never attack anyone. Don't be so sensitive. I believe our bro here is very understanding. I DID NOT SAY his F2.8 cannot get bokeh. Depending on personal preference and requirement, 2.8 may not be good enough. Some people wanting even 1.2 and lower (if any).

I'm just saying photography is not about pictures of a single object in the frame with the rest of it wasted into bokeh. Thats just one type of photography. Getting this sort of bokeh is so easy if you have the lens to do the job (one with lower F number).

None of these statement attack anyone. Ooh... maybe you're just flaming a bigger flame. Want me to flag you? hehehehehe....

ZhaoYun :
for the DOF arguments sake, try shoot something like dat flower or a full face portrait at say, f5 (now dats more smaller than a f3.5) at 300mm. See if you get bokeh or not. so your argument of purely based on aperture which doesnt give good DOF (not DOP!) is not very solid ler...

davidmak :
me being a strobist master is an overstatement ler... glad u like the lights though...

http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/olympusep1/

Dpreview finally releases their review of the e-p1

Davidmak: reason i want the 20-C is because of the size. Its about the same size as the FL14/FL20/270ex/SD400 and yet has bounce like the latter two.

seaotter bro...
where can i get the 20-C?
looks good enuff for the PEN!

Try asking around. i'm waiting to see if the shop i got my pen is getting it.
If all else fails, there's www.shashinki.com

before the pen, my original plan was to get the 1000D, the 50mm f1.8 and the 270ex.
I thought its going to be compact enough... then the pen arrive hehehe

hmmm... 20-C, does he meant this one?
20-C

Yes silverstan. that is the one.

where can buy the PEN ar? always thinking to buy a DSLR to learn but too bulky hehehehhe to me la. Now quite interested the PEN ... but most of the shops dun have stocks. anyone got it recently in KL? can share the shops in KL which got stock? thanks alot

do u guys recommend the single or twin lens package?

go for twin lens kit.
can try photo Edar at BB plaza or photo shangri-la.

if you only want to get single lens kit, let me know, i can top up to get 17mm lens.

ok bro..
do update me when u get urs!
it's always good to share poison!

u bought there also?? thanks for the infor. how much for the twin lens package ar? thanks alot for sharing bro~