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Household [Home Appliances] Water Filter, for drinking water purpose

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NightFelix
post May 27 2015, 12:02 PM

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QUOTE(jackchong890 @ May 27 2015, 08:03 AM)
ya.. thats why i always put MLM products at last of my consideration.. their product is good.  but their sales talk is like my product WORLD NO.1 , you dont buy my product a, will kena cancer you know if you use others.

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btw, thanks dude for your opinion , then maybe i will go for espring then
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Diffinately something wrong with the way of the sales talk. LOL laugh.gif

QUOTE(d_goh @ May 27 2015, 08:45 AM)
Bro, it is based on unit. It will not carry any meaning if it is based on revenue. There are filter costing 7k, 10k, 16k. VWA, Electrolux, Kangen....
That one is a fake, beware. Ppl knew it is good, and make an imitation product.
NSF certificate cannot be bought, if it can bought, Philips, Panasonic, Pensonic, Cosway.....will be on the list, which they are not currently certified.

Philips were certified once, but not meeting the standard in later batches of the production...
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How much I wish there were alternative and much more budget to eSpring with UV NSF 55. Too bad Philips discontinued the model already.

QUOTE(supersound @ May 27 2015, 08:53 AM)
Not really, to get the certificate to renew, they need to pay. If they refuse to pay, no certificate will be released. Same as ISO standard certifications, you can get every certificate by paying and follow some standards.
Even Secret Recipe got their Halal certification revoked.
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Well, certificate can't buy but the stickers can buy one. A lot of people doesn't aware of those water purifier are stickers stick on top on it instead direct printed on it. Any OEM water purifier reseller here, I can offer printing service for you as well, bulk order can nego too. lol. brows.gif
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post May 27 2015, 12:08 PM

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QUOTE(NightFelix @ May 27 2015, 12:02 PM)
Diffinately something wrong with the way of the sales talk. LOL laugh.gif
How much I wish there were alternative and much more budget to eSpring with UV NSF 55. Too bad Philips discontinued the model already.
Well, certificate can't buy but the stickers can buy one. A lot of people doesn't aware of those water purifier are stickers stick on top on it instead direct printed on it. Any OEM water purifier reseller here, I can offer printing service for you as well, bulk order can nego too. lol. brows.gif
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haha, you also know that Philips model. Cheaper and certified by WQA using NSF standard, but not tested in NSF labs.

Then after a while WQA also not showing it is certified.


Hehe, yeah, can print, cosway likes printing that, and stick outside of the box.....the unit got no NSF logo on it. doh.gif
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post May 27 2015, 12:37 PM

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QUOTE(d_goh @ May 27 2015, 08:45 AM)
Bro, it is based on unit. It will not carry any meaning if it is based on revenue. There are filter costing 7k, 10k, 16k. VWA, Electrolux, Kangen....
That one is a fake, beware. Ppl knew it is good, and make an imitation product.
NSF certificate cannot be bought, if it can bought, Philips, Panasonic, Pensonic, Cosway.....will be on the list, which they are not currently certified.

Philips were certified once, but not meeting the standard in later batches of the production...
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I know you are agent, want to sell, anjua also promote it as No.1... but we are not stupid man....
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Philips not meeting standard? You got proof? Or you "heard internal source" or "reliable source from NSF" or "Philips OEM manufacturer claims"?

For a company like Philips, they can maintain their standard, production issue can be solved with money. Philip has plenty of money.

I also can say Panasonic water filter no.1... based on Jason's research. Cause its on Jason's kitchen counter.

EDIT: I'm not against Amway or agents, just don't spew bullshit and call facts like it is lah..xxxx

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post May 27 2015, 12:38 PM

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d_goh Now I'm interested on how to make my eSpring at home with Purple Glow color like that in the photo. laugh.gif
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QUOTE(Terbulance @ May 27 2015, 09:28 AM)
Sorry for not linking the report. Here you go: Verify Markets
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NSF is a non-profit organisation in USA, not Malaysia. It cannot be bought. Like what is mentioned above, if the certification can be bought, big companies certainly will be able to afford to pay for it and buy it.

To be certified by NSF, the water filters need to be tested again and again every year to maintain its certification.
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QUOTE(d_goh @ May 27 2015, 10:42 AM)
Yes, other cert you can buy. NSF, you can't buy. And that's why it is special. The "number" underneath the water bottles (1,3,5,7) are also standards set by NSF.

Every month, the new batch of products are tested. Random units are selected to be retested. This is how serious NSF is to protect the consumer.
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If NSF are run by people that has brain problem, then I'll take your word.
But if it is run by westerners, nope, I won't trust them, especially after worked with them for 1 year. Experience tells me that they are just a high level cheater doh.gif
Like last time US put their troops for a long period of time in Iraq, just because they are trying to find Saddam's properties. Once they got it and no more profit, they leave Iraq shakehead.gif
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QUOTE(NightFelix @ May 27 2015, 12:38 PM)
d_goh Now I'm interested on how to make my eSpring at home with Purple Glow color like that in the photo. laugh.gif
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hehe, water mark only....but you can color the back (inside) of the black panel of the cover with a layer of red transparency....


It will do the trick. smile.gif
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QUOTE(supersound @ May 27 2015, 12:38 PM)
If NSF are run by people that has brain problem, then I'll take your word.
But if it is run by westerners, nope, I won't trust them, especially after worked with them for 1 year. Experience tells me that they are just a high level cheater doh.gif
Like last time US put their troops for a long period of time in Iraq, just because they are trying to find Saddam's properties. Once they got it and no more profit, they leave Iraq shakehead.gif
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Nope, you shouldn't take anyone's words, you should do your own homework, get a lab, and start testing the different water filters.

I have equipment to do basic test, covered diamonds(3 diff models), elken, coway(many models), nesh, bacfree, panasonic, philips...

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post May 27 2015, 06:15 PM

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QUOTE(d_goh @ May 27 2015, 05:32 PM)
Nope, you shouldn't take anyone's words, you should do your own homework, get a lab, and start testing the different water filters.

I have equipment to do basic test, covered diamonds(3 diff models), elken, coway(many models), nesh, bacfree, panasonic, philips...

cheers  thumbup.gif
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What is the basic test covered?
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post May 27 2015, 06:41 PM

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will like to ask expert here
1) will filter have expired date, as if we buy from US and stock up for 2 to 3 year?
2) I am thinking to connect EZ1 and EZ4 serially so the water go to EZ1 and than pass to EZ4 hope can help to extend the life time of EZ4 filter.
Will this combination is applicable?
or it is redundant to do so?


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post May 27 2015, 08:05 PM

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QUOTE(aeiou228 @ May 26 2015, 10:57 PM)
I have both.
Filtered Water quality : same. Because I can't tell the difference.
Installation method : same
Convenience : same
Form factor : Culligan EZ4 is heavier and twice the size of 3M, I prefer 3M compact size.
RC capacity : C-complete 750gallon Vs EZ4 500gallon, therefore 3M RC can last 50% longer than EZ4. $$$$$$ icon_idea.gif
Initial cost : Culligan EZ4 is cheaper if buy from Amazon but not available locally. 3M is about RM780 and available locally.
RC cost : Culligan EZ4 USD40 + international shipping cost + waiting + risks ( definitely exceed RM2xx when reach your home) Vs 3M C-complete under RM250 available locally + no need to keep stock.

It's pretty obvious that 3M easy complete is cheaper in maintenance in the long run.
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My friend is selling it here on his lelong web-site (http://www.lelong.com.my/culligan-ic-ez-4-water-filter-nsf-42-53-certified-blueoceanmkt-I1561966-2007-01-Sale-I.htm)

His price for one full set is RM 399.00. Yes, you can get it much cheaper on Amazon.com and he probably got it from Amazon.com, so he absorbed all the risks and charges for a higher price (that''s just business). I am not sure if 3M can lasts x2 if compared to Culligan EZ-4 but Culligan EZ-4 is almost half price of 3M. My friend is selling the replacement filter cartridge for RM 299.00, if compared to 3M this is about RM 49.00 more expensive and the capacity is 500gal compared to 3M 750 gallon capacity. But you must understand that Culligan EZ-4 is certified to be NSF 42 and NSF 53 and for myself this alone justifies the higher price. Maybe for other people price is more important but if using price alone as a criteria, you might as well get a cheap China water filter. I rather not sacrifice my own health and my family health on cheaper water filter. For me, i am comfortable with Culligan EZ4 and i have recommended it to my family and friends.


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post May 27 2015, 08:47 PM

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QUOTE(systaksis @ May 27 2015, 06:41 PM)
will  like to ask expert here
1) will filter have expired date, as if we buy from US and stock up for 2 to 3 year?
2) I am thinking to connect EZ1 and EZ4 serially so the water go to EZ1 and than pass to EZ4 hope can help to extend the life time of EZ4 filter.
Will this combination is applicable?
or it is redundant to do so?
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First of all, EZ4 is 500 gallon or 6 months which ever comes first, your original intention to prolong lifespan of the filter may not be applicable unless you want to ignore the 6 months filter replacement recommendation.
Secondly, The water pressure came out from my EZ4 filter is already too weak to go thru another stage of filtering. you need to take note of this.
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QUOTE(happyhome @ Nov 23 2012, 01:36 PM)
well done weikee, cant imagine u can changed it by yourself. BTW you are right, brass valve is much much reliable than PVC ball valve.
It is very good infor for those end user who not install yet 1.
Js share some little infor with you, if you have another 3M pre-filter(model:AP055T) before AP902, then your AP902 filter can be more lasting. thumbup.gif 
because replacement AP055T pre-filter cost is cheaper a lot than AP902 filter..
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How much does it help to extend the lifespan of AP902 filter? How often do you need to replace the AP055T filter ?

Thanks for sharing, cheers.

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post May 28 2015, 12:19 AM

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QUOTE(leo2010 @ May 27 2015, 10:27 PM)
How much does it help to extend the lifespan of AP902 filter? How often do you need to replace the AP055T filter ?

Thanks for sharing, cheers.
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Actually the reason why people buy ap902 is because of the convenience of without backwash just change cartridge once a year and the compact size. If you install the small ap055t, it is so small,definitely you need to change it more frequent and troublesome. Adding it will make your overall installation look ugly n bulky.

My advise, if your water is very dirty, you have high consumption and landed property use sand filter like my perfect steel. If condo which do not have place for backwash and limited space then get 3m ap902.

Trust me as i installed and tested ap902 close to two years in my house with high usage (all rooms with 10" rain shower and a strong grundfos water pump), filter got clogged in 10 months, then i manually backwash it to prolong the capacity hahahaha.

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hi, i've a new condo unit. anyone had installed outdoor water filter in condo.
need advise. i dont think management allow to install the unit in the meter room.

so if inside the condo itself ? where ? any pictures of those who had such experience before .
would be grateful for all the advise given . tq
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post May 28 2015, 10:13 AM

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QUOTE(wiwi @ May 28 2015, 09:56 AM)
hi, i've a new condo unit. anyone had installed outdoor water filter in condo.
need advise. i dont think management allow to install the unit in the meter room.

so if inside the condo itself ? where ? any pictures of those who had such experience before .
would be grateful for all the advise given . tq
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You are pretty much opt for the 3M AP902 for the compact size and user replaceable friendly.
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QUOTE(wiwi @ May 28 2015, 09:56 AM)
hi, i've a new condo unit. anyone had installed outdoor water filter in condo.
need advise. i dont think management allow to install the unit in the meter room.

so if inside the condo itself ? where ? any pictures of those who had such experience before .
would be grateful for all the advise given . tq
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Yup 3m ap902 is your best choice.
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QUOTE(zheilwane @ May 27 2015, 03:24 AM)
Actually cant really find much spec on culligan like how many micron is the filtration? After checking in nsf website it is under norminal particulate class III (5 to 15 micron)
http://www.ezclearwater.com/nsf-standards.php

Just my understanding, most 3m filters are using carbon block like culligan but why 3m cartridges around 600 to 700 gallons but culligan can filter 3000 gallons? I believe the filter is just a basic one that filters very limited comtaminants that is why they are able to claim higher capacity.

Aquaphor solo on the other hand has aqualen in their carbon block, hence evenly distribute the flow of water, preventing "dead zone" problem and prolonging the filter life. With aqualen, they are able to add microsilver to filter bacteria as well only 3m dws 2500 (cost above 2k) can filter bacteria other models cant and amway espring (cost close to 3k) can as well with uv light. Comparing the cost, aquaphor crystal eco with 3 layers of bacteria filtration (cost rm 1350) is definitely much cheaper or crystal solo single stage bacteria filtration (cost rm 550)

Actually there are too many things to explain and it would be difficult to explain all here. For members who would like to know more about drinking filters do drop by my showroom after 3rd june 2015. We got feedback from customers and we are using several brands of drinking filter in shop and house, therefore we are able to compare base on our drinking experience.
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Please use following format if you have a good indoor filter for comparison.

Brand: Culligan
Model: IC-EZ-1
Make: USA
Capacity: 3000 gallons or change yearly
Standard: NSF42
Cost: RM66

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QUOTE(skydreamer1978 @ May 27 2015, 07:22 AM)
Please show the fact find which report show that eSpring is the world no. 1. If just say only, this is just pointless.
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Actually it's true.

eSpring is world no. 1 in the category of most expensive water filter.
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QUOTE(lowya @ May 28 2015, 12:11 PM)
Please use following format if you have a good indoor filter for comparison.

Brand: Culligan
Model: IC-EZ-1
Make: USA
Capacity: 3000 gallons or change yearly
Standard: NSF42
Cost: RM66
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Maybe we should compile all NSF certified water filter here with initial fee and replacement fee in one whole table form list, so that in the future anyone visit this thread can pick whatever based on their budget/need. icon_idea.gif
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QUOTE(zheilwane @ May 28 2015, 12:19 AM)
Actually the reason why people buy ap902 is because of the convenience of without backwash just change cartridge once a year and the compact size. If you install the small ap055t, it is so small,definitely you need to change it more frequent and troublesome. Adding it will make your overall installation look ugly n bulky.

My advise, if your water is very dirty, you have high consumption and landed property use sand filter like my perfect steel. If condo which do not have place for backwash and limited space then get 3m ap902.

Trust me as i installed and tested ap902 close to two years in my house with high usage (all rooms with 10" rain shower and a strong grundfos water pump), filter got clogged in 10 months, then i manually backwash it to prolong the capacity hahahaha.
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New landed property with moderate consumption. I am trying to understand the total cost of ownership & ease of maintenance between AP902 & POE sand filter.

Thanks.

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