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QUOTE(jackchong890 @ May 26 2015, 05:29 PM)
seriously? ...lol...

but actually got so good this machine ?

because now i quiet interested with Coway water filter because they included Hot and Cold water and the water are ready just push a button to drink. is it sound good compare to eSpring ? except eSpring got one NSF certified... so important that certified?
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eSpring is the world’s No. 1 selling brand of home water treatment systems. However, whether it suits your requirement or not depends on you.

Coway is RO water which is demineralised water. WHO did a report on the health risks from drinking demineralised water. So it is not recommended to drink RO water.

NSF certification certifies what the water filters can filter. It is proof that the claims from the manufacturer on what the water filter can filter is true. It also shows what contaminants can be filtered. That is why all water filters want to be certified by NSF, but not all can.

eSpring has 4 NSF standards (42, 53, 55 and 401). You can check it on NSF website.
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QUOTE(jackchong890 @ May 26 2015, 05:29 PM)
seriously? ...lol...

but actually got so good this machine ?

because now i quiet interested with Coway water filter because they included Hot and Cold water and the water are ready just push a button to drink. is it sound good compare to eSpring ? except eSpring got one NSF certified... so important that certified?
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Espring filtered about 140 types of harmful contaminants.

Coway only tested by NSF to filter around 10 contaminants.

Coway= RO water....mild acidic.

Yup, hot and cold water is convenient, then you if you want a hot and cold water, really no point to pay RM3500.
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comparing 3M c-complete vs Culligan-IC-EZ-4, ----- Which is better???
NFS 53 for Culligan-IC-EZ-4 - 500 gallon
Cyst Reduction
Lead Reduction
Mercury Reduction
MTBE Reduction
Turbidity Reduction
VOC Reduction

VOC cliam
alachlor endrin simazine
atrazine ethylbenzene styrene
benzene ethylene dibromide (EDB) 1,1,2,2-tetrachloroethane
carbofuran haloacetonitriles tetrachloroethylene
carbon tetrachloride bromochloroacetonitrile toluene
chlorobenzene dibromoacetonitrile 2,4,5-TP(silvex)
chloropicrin dichloroacetonitrile tribromoacetic acid
2,4-D trichloroacetonitrile 1,2,4-trichlorobenzene
dibromochloropropane (DBCP) haloketones 1,1,1-trichloroethane
o-dichlorobenzene 1,1-dichloro-2-propanone 1,1,2-trichloroethane
p-dichlorobenzene 1,1,1-trichloro-2-propanone trichloroethylene
1,2-dichloroethane heptachlor trihalomethanes (TTHM)
1,1-dichloroethylene heptachlor epoxide bromodichloromethane
cis-1,2-dichloroethylene hexachlorobutadiene bromoform
trans-1,2-dichloroethylene hexachlorocyclopentadiene chlorodibromomethane
1,2-dichloropropane lindane chloroform
cis-1,3-dichloropropylene methoxychlor xylenes
dinoseb pentachlorophenol




NFS 53 for AP Easy Complete
Asbestos Reduction
Atrazine Reduction
Benzene Reduction
Carbofuran Reduction
Cyst Reduction
Lead Reduction
Lindane Reduction
Mercury Reduction
P-Dichlorobenzene Reduction
Toxaphene Reduction
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QUOTE(jackchong890 @ May 26 2015, 05:29 PM)
seriously? ...lol...

but actually got so good this machine ?

because now i quiet interested with Coway water filter because they included Hot and Cold water and the water are ready just push a button to drink. is it sound good compare to eSpring ? except eSpring got one NSF certified... so important that certified?
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ESpring actually is the golden standard among all water filter, if you looking for equivalent quality and performance of it, mostly only available in US or Europe countries.

The importance of NSF certification, I believe some above already explained to you. Simply Google for NSF Wikipedia, more detail are there.

Like one of above said very true, if you have a healthy budget to spend on the indoor water filter, why consider not consider a better brand with better quality and as well better long term usage. A OEM brand RO water purifier with condenser could costs less than rm1k.
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QUOTE(systaksis @ May 26 2015, 08:04 PM)
comparing 3M c-complete vs  Culligan-IC-EZ-4, ----- Which is better???
NFS 53 for Culligan-IC-EZ-4 - 500 gallon
Cyst Reduction
Lead Reduction
Mercury Reduction
MTBE Reduction
Turbidity Reduction
VOC Reduction

VOC cliam
alachlor                      endrin                          simazine 
atrazine                      ethylbenzene                    styrene
benzene                      ethylene dibromide (EDB)        1,1,2,2-tetrachloroethane
carbofuran                    haloacetonitriles              tetrachloroethylene
carbon tetrachloride            bromochloroacetonitrile      toluene
chlorobenzene                  dibromoacetonitrile          2,4,5-TP(silvex)
chloropicrin                    dichloroacetonitrile          tribromoacetic acid
2,4-D                          trichloroacetonitrile        1,2,4-trichlorobenzene
dibromochloropropane (DBCP)  haloketones                    1,1,1-trichloroethane
o-dichlorobenzene              1,1-dichloro-2-propanone      1,1,2-trichloroethane
p-dichlorobenzene              1,1,1-trichloro-2-propanone  trichloroethylene
1,2-dichloroethane            heptachlor                      trihalomethanes (TTHM)     
1,1-dichloroethylene          heptachlor epoxide                bromodichloromethane
cis-1,2-dichloroethylene      hexachlorobutadiene              bromoform
trans-1,2-dichloroethylene    hexachlorocyclopentadiene        chlorodibromomethane
1,2-dichloropropane          lindane                          chloroform
cis-1,3-dichloropropylene    methoxychlor                    xylenes                     
dinoseb                      pentachlorophenol               
NFS 53 for AP Easy Complete
Asbestos Reduction
Atrazine Reduction
Benzene Reduction
Carbofuran Reduction
Cyst Reduction
Lead Reduction
Lindane Reduction
Mercury Reduction
P-Dichlorobenzene Reduction
Toxaphene Reduction
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Actually what this both capable to filter doesn't matter as long they both meet the minimum requirements of NSF lab test standard.

I would pick the 3m one since long term usage costs cheaper than culligan which have been discussed here long time ago. Try search this thread. Culligan is more to those who have tight initial budget.
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QUOTE(systaksis @ May 26 2015, 08:04 PM)
comparing 3M c-complete vs  Culligan-IC-EZ-4, ----- Which is better???
NFS 53 for Culligan-IC-EZ-4 - 500 gallon
Cyst Reduction
Lead Reduction
Mercury Reduction
MTBE Reduction
Turbidity Reduction
VOC Reduction

VOC cliam
alachlor                      endrin                          simazine 
atrazine                      ethylbenzene                    styrene
benzene                      ethylene dibromide (EDB)        1,1,2,2-tetrachloroethane
carbofuran                    haloacetonitriles              tetrachloroethylene
carbon tetrachloride            bromochloroacetonitrile      toluene
chlorobenzene                  dibromoacetonitrile          2,4,5-TP(silvex)
chloropicrin                    dichloroacetonitrile          tribromoacetic acid
2,4-D                          trichloroacetonitrile        1,2,4-trichlorobenzene
dibromochloropropane (DBCP)  haloketones                    1,1,1-trichloroethane
o-dichlorobenzene              1,1-dichloro-2-propanone      1,1,2-trichloroethane
p-dichlorobenzene              1,1,1-trichloro-2-propanone  trichloroethylene
1,2-dichloroethane            heptachlor                      trihalomethanes (TTHM)     
1,1-dichloroethylene          heptachlor epoxide                bromodichloromethane
cis-1,2-dichloroethylene      hexachlorobutadiene              bromoform
trans-1,2-dichloroethylene    hexachlorocyclopentadiene        chlorodibromomethane
1,2-dichloropropane          lindane                          chloroform
cis-1,3-dichloropropylene    methoxychlor                    xylenes                     
dinoseb                      pentachlorophenol               
NFS 53 for AP Easy Complete
Asbestos Reduction
Atrazine Reduction
Benzene Reduction
Carbofuran Reduction
Cyst Reduction
Lead Reduction
Lindane Reduction
Mercury Reduction
P-Dichlorobenzene Reduction
Toxaphene Reduction
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I have both.
Filtered Water quality : same. Because I can't tell the difference.
Installation method : same
Convenience : same
Form factor : Culligan EZ4 is heavier and twice the size of 3M, I prefer 3M compact size.
RC capacity : C-complete 750gallon Vs EZ4 500gallon, therefore 3M RC can last 50% longer than EZ4. $$$$$$ icon_idea.gif
Initial cost : Culligan EZ4 is cheaper if buy from Amazon but not available locally. 3M is about RM780 and available locally.
RC cost : Culligan EZ4 USD40 + international shipping cost + waiting + risks ( definitely exceed RM2xx when reach your home) Vs 3M C-complete under RM250 available locally + no need to keep stock.

It's pretty obvious that 3M easy complete is cheaper in maintenance in the long run.

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QUOTE(Terbulance @ May 26 2015, 07:31 PM)
eSpring is the world’s No. 1 selling brand of home water treatment systems. However, whether it suits your requirement or not depends on you.

Coway is RO water which is demineralised water. WHO did a report on the health risks from drinking demineralised water. So it is not recommended to drink RO water.

NSF certification certifies what the water filters can filter. It is proof that the claims from the manufacturer on what the water filter can filter is true. It also shows what contaminants can be filtered. That is why all water filters want to be certified by NSF, but not all can.

eSpring has 4 NSF standards (42, 53, 55 and 401). You can check it on NSF website.
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hahaaa... World's No 1 ? hmm.gif hmm.gif bro you are Amway agent right? sorry even if eSpring is good but i dont think it can be world No.1

hahaaa funny ...



QUOTE(d_goh @ May 26 2015, 07:37 PM)
Espring filtered about 140 types of harmful contaminants.

Coway only tested by NSF to filter around 10 contaminants.

Coway= RO water....mild acidic.

Yup, hot and cold water is convenient, then you if you want a hot and cold water, really no point to pay RM3500.
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i see.... hmmm seem like Espring quiet good... but not world no1 as like the previous agent told me... hahaha



QUOTE(NightFelix @ May 26 2015, 08:45 PM)
ESpring actually is the golden standard among all water filter, if you looking for equivalent quality and performance of it, mostly only available in US or Europe countries.

The importance of NSF certification, I believe some above already explained to you. Simply Google for NSF Wikipedia, more detail are there.

Like one of above said very true, if you have a healthy budget to spend on the indoor water filter, why consider not consider a better brand with better quality and as well better long term usage. A OEM brand RO water purifier with condenser could costs less than rm1k.
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hmmm... then should consider Espring... when the TV come can you please come announce in here... thumbup.gif thumbup.gif
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post May 26 2015, 11:15 PM

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QUOTE(jackchong890 @ May 26 2015, 11:05 PM)
hahaaa... World's No 1 ?  hmm.gif  hmm.gif  bro you are Amway agent right? sorry even if eSpring is good but i dont think it can be world No.1

hahaaa funny ...
i see.... hmmm seem like Espring quiet good... but not world no1 as like the previous agent told me... hahaha
hmmm... then should consider Espring... when the TV come can you please come announce in here... thumbup.gif  thumbup.gif
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I dunno if its world no.1 or not, but with NSF 42, 53 and 55 (UV)..i dunno what is NSF 401.. its very complete package in the sense it covers almost everything. Previously there was a Philips water filter that had 42, 53 and 55 as well.. and it was half the price of the eSpring, but it is no longer sold here... of course it would be better choice over eSpring due to the price.

I am not aware of any other water filters locally that is certified NSF 42, 53 and 55.

RO water is not suitable for human consumption as proven by WHO.

Bro..Amway is MLM.. you ask...sure many fanboys and downline come support their product 9 9 lor. But if that's the kinda budget you wanna spend...better buy eSpring than Diamond lah..Diamond can throw longkang.

As for Coway, don't bother, most of it no NSF. Some don't even have specification.
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QUOTE(jackchong890 @ May 26 2015, 11:05 PM)
hahaaa... World's No 1 ?  hmm.gif  hmm.gif  bro you are Amway agent right? sorry even if eSpring is good but i dont think it can be world No.1

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QUOTE(jackchong890 @ May 26 2015, 11:05 PM)
hmmm... then should consider Espring... when the TV come can you please come announce in here... thumbup.gif  thumbup.gif
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Well, if you want to get one, you still have to approach one of their Agents/Distributors/Introducer/Upline (whatever like to call) to buy, although we know GST implemented in Malaysia, but my memory serve me correctly, one unit eSpring can instant get 6% cash back based on their marketing plan. Next month first day can straight away walk in into your nearest Amway shop to buy, but don't forget to bring along your introducer, the rest procedure leave to them to tell you la.

QUOTE(Jason @ May 26 2015, 11:15 PM)
I dunno if its world no.1 or not, but with NSF 42, 53 and 55 (UV)..i dunno what is NSF 401.. its very complete package in the sense it covers almost everything. Previously there was a Philips water filter that had 42, 53 and 55 as well.. and it was half the price of the eSpring, but it is no longer sold here... of course it would be better choice over eSpring due to the price.

I am not aware of any other water filters locally that is certified NSF 42, 53 and 55.

RO water is not suitable for human consumption as proven by WHO.

Bro..Amway is MLM.. you ask...sure many fanboys and downline come support their product 9 9 lor. But if that's the kinda budget you wanna spend...better buy eSpring than Diamond lah..Diamond can throw longkang.

As for Coway, don't bother, most of it no NSF. Some don't even have specification.
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Doesn't need to be MLM to be support one, go check our forum Apple section or Droid section, got many fans to support their brand too. whistling.gif Worst case, /k flame war debate always start. doh.gif

Meanwhile, Coway does have NSF, is the NSF 58 RO certified. whistling.gif Really don't support Diamond brand, is the worst brands ever, not only cheating customers with fake filter or overpricing (reseller problem and many years ago story) somemore cheat their reseller commission somemore.. Talk here in forum can already.
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QUOTE(Terbulance @ May 27 2015, 12:12 AM)
Claim is based on revenue numbers. Not unit sold or number of household. If based on revenue sure its among the highest lah due to the price!
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QUOTE(lowya @ May 26 2015, 11:34 AM)
IC-EZ-1 cartridge can do 3000 gallons (NSF42, need boiling) for RM66/year, what about yours? or any other filter for that matter.
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Actually cant really find much spec on culligan like how many micron is the filtration? After checking in nsf website it is under norminal particulate class III (5 to 15 micron)
http://www.ezclearwater.com/nsf-standards.php

Just my understanding, most 3m filters are using carbon block like culligan but why 3m cartridges around 600 to 700 gallons but culligan can filter 3000 gallons? Also culligan ez 3 or 4 capacity is only 500galloon. I believe the filter (ez1)is just a basic one that filters very limited comtaminants that is why they are able to claim higher capacity it is more like a prefilter if you ask me rather a drinking filter.

Aquaphor solo on the other hand has aqualen in their carbon block, hence evenly distribute the flow of water, preventing "dead zone" problem and prolonging the filter life. With aqualen, they are able to add microsilver to filter bacteria as well only 3m dws 2500 (cost above 2k) can filter bacteria other models cant and amway espring (cost close to 3k) can as well with uv light. Comparing the cost, aquaphor crystal eco with 3 layers of bacteria filtration (cost rm 1350) is definitely much cheaper or crystal solo single stage bacteria filtration (cost rm 550)

Actually there are too many things to explain and it would be difficult to explain all here. For members who would like to know more about drinking filters do drop by my showroom after 3rd june 2015. We got feedback from customers and we are using several brands of drinking filter in shop and house, therefore we are able to compare base on our drinking experience.

This post has been edited by zheilwane: May 28 2015, 05:04 PM
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QUOTE(Terbulance @ May 26 2015, 07:31 PM)
eSpring is the world’s No. 1 selling brand of home water treatment systems. However, whether it suits your requirement or not depends on you.

Coway is RO water which is demineralised water. WHO did a report on the health risks from drinking demineralised water. So it is not recommended to drink RO water.

NSF certification certifies what the water filters can filter. It is proof that the claims from the manufacturer on what the water filter can filter is true. It also shows what contaminants can be filtered. That is why all water filters want to be certified by NSF, but not all can.

eSpring has 4 NSF standards (42, 53, 55 and 401). You can check it on NSF website.
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Please show the fact find which report show that eSpring is the world no. 1. If just say only, this is just pointless.
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QUOTE(Jason @ May 26 2015, 11:15 PM)
I dunno if its world no.1 or not, but with NSF 42, 53 and 55 (UV)..i dunno what is NSF 401.. its very complete package in the sense it covers almost everything. Previously there was a Philips water filter that had 42, 53 and 55 as well.. and it was half the price of the eSpring, but it is no longer sold here... of course it would be better choice over eSpring due to the price.

I am not aware of any other water filters locally that is certified NSF 42, 53 and 55.

RO water is not suitable for human consumption as proven by WHO.

Bro..Amway is MLM.. you ask...sure many fanboys and downline come support their product 9 9 lor. But if that's the kinda budget you wanna spend...better buy eSpring than Diamond lah..Diamond can throw longkang.

As for Coway, don't bother, most of it no NSF. Some don't even have specification.
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ya.. thats why i always put MLM products at last of my consideration.. their product is good. but their sales talk is like my product WORLD NO.1 , you dont buy my product a, will kena cancer you know if you use others.

LOL laugh.gif

btw, thanks dude for your opinion , then maybe i will go for espring then



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QUOTE(jackchong890 @ May 26 2015, 05:29 PM)
seriously? ...lol...

but actually got so good this machine ?

because now i quiet interested with Coway water filter because they included Hot and Cold water and the water are ready just push a button to drink. is it sound good compare to eSpring ? except eSpring got one NSF certified... so important that certified?
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Emm, you need to prepared to pay extra rm50-100 a month for TNB bills.
Not to mention drinking reboiled water for long period of time will post you other health issues, like stone in kidney shocking.gif
If it is a RO water, better still you drink distilled water, both of them are the same, flush out your body's minerals and post you health issues also if drink long term.
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QUOTE(Jason @ May 26 2015, 11:15 PM)
I dunno if its world no.1 or not, but with NSF 42, 53 and 55 (UV)..i dunno what is NSF 401.. its very complete package in the sense it covers almost everything. Previously there was a Philips water filter that had 42, 53 and 55 as well.. and it was half the price of the eSpring, but it is no longer sold here... of course it would be better choice over eSpring due to the price.

I am not aware of any other water filters locally that is certified NSF 42, 53 and 55.

RO water is not suitable for human consumption as proven by WHO.

Bro..Amway is MLM.. you ask...sure many fanboys and downline come support their product 9 9 lor. But if that's the kinda budget you wanna spend...better buy eSpring than Diamond lah..Diamond can throw longkang.

As for Coway, don't bother, most of it no NSF. Some don't even have specification.
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Certification in Malaysia can be bought, so I never bother to see those.
Amway's water filter are selling for rm2+++ few years back, now should be more expensive. I've been approached before to buy this water filter without Amway brand on it for rm400 from the same factory that manufacture it shakehead.gif
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QUOTE(Jason @ May 27 2015, 01:52 AM)
Claim is based on revenue numbers. Not unit sold or number of household. If based on revenue sure its among the highest lah due to the price!
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Bro, it is based on unit. It will not carry any meaning if it is based on revenue. There are filter costing 7k, 10k, 16k. VWA, Electrolux, Kangen....


QUOTE(supersound @ May 27 2015, 08:16 AM)
Certification in Malaysia can be bought, so I never bother to see those.
Amway's water filter are selling for rm2+++ few years back, now should be more expensive. I've been approached before to buy this water filter without Amway brand on it for rm400 from the same factory that manufacture it shakehead.gif
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That one is a fake, beware. Ppl knew it is good, and make an imitation product.
NSF certificate cannot be bought, if it can bought, Philips, Panasonic, Pensonic, Cosway.....will be on the list, which they are not currently certified.

Philips were certified once, but not meeting the standard in later batches of the production...
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QUOTE(d_goh @ May 27 2015, 08:45 AM)
Bro, it is based on unit. It will not carry any meaning if it is based on revenue. There are filter costing 7k, 10k, 16k. VWA, Electrolux, Kangen....
That one is a fake, beware. Ppl knew it is good, and make an imitation product.
NSF certificate cannot be bought, if it can bought, Philips, Panasonic, Pensonic, Cosway.....will be on the list, which they are not currently certified.

Philips were certified once, but not meeting the standard in later batches of the production...
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Not really, to get the certificate to renew, they need to pay. If they refuse to pay, no certificate will be released. Same as ISO standard certifications, you can get every certificate by paying and follow some standards.
Even Secret Recipe got their Halal certification revoked.
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QUOTE(skydreamer1978 @ May 27 2015, 07:22 AM)
Please show the fact find which report show that eSpring is the world no. 1. If just say only, this is just pointless.
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Sorry for not linking the report. Here you go: Verify Markets
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QUOTE(supersound @ May 27 2015, 08:16 AM)
Certification in Malaysia can be bought, so I never bother to see those.
Amway's water filter are selling for rm2+++ few years back, now should be more expensive. I've been approached before to buy this water filter without Amway brand on it for rm400 from the same factory that manufacture it shakehead.gif
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QUOTE(supersound @ May 27 2015, 08:53 AM)
Not really, to get the certificate to renew, they need to pay. If they refuse to pay, no certificate will be released. Same as ISO standard certifications, you can get every certificate by paying and follow some standards.
Even Secret Recipe got their Halal certification revoked.
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NSF is a non-profit organisation in USA, not Malaysia. It cannot be bought. Like what is mentioned above, if the certification can be bought, big companies certainly will be able to afford to pay for it and buy it.

To be certified by NSF, the water filters need to be tested again and again every year to maintain its certification.
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QUOTE(supersound @ May 27 2015, 08:53 AM)
Not really, to get the certificate to renew, they need to pay. If they refuse to pay, no certificate will be released. Same as ISO standard certifications, you can get every certificate by paying and follow some standards.
Even Secret Recipe got their Halal certification revoked.
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Yes, other cert you can buy. NSF, you can't buy. And that's why it is special. The "number" underneath the water bottles (1,3,5,7) are also standards set by NSF.

Every month, the new batch of products are tested. Random units are selected to be retested. This is how serious NSF is to protect the consumer.


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