may i know what is the selling price of Amway Espring and also the maintenance cost? thanks

no offense. Just out of curiosity. May i know what is the logic of placing a 0.8 micron filter after a 0.1 micron filter?

BTW, may i know wat is the price of Crystal Eco and also the maintenance cost?

On the other hand, i saw someone share panasonice PJ-37MRF also having a 0.1 micron filter which is RM381 only (according to its website). However, very little info in its website. My question is, choosing a good water filter, is it the level of filtration precision is the guideline?

Many thanks in advance for answering me as i need a indoor water filter for my new house. I bought an outdoor unit which is look like a big tank with several levels of sands, stone &etc filtration.

Thanks bro. I saw others promote cosway too. Just RM625 only with 3 cartridge filters. This 1 seem like reasonable.
https://forum.lowyat.net/uploads/attach-35/...-1372672479.jpg

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Done a check in lowyat, wow, there are many members selling Cosway Filter, seems like a good profit direct sales product However, most of them are either closed or not updated since 2012 or 2013.


Well Cosway have 3 cartridges but they are not the same as Aquaphor or 3M or Amway.
As we know Carbon Block (used in 3M and Amway, Aquaphor CarbFibre block) is the most efficient Chlorine filtration media and also to filter contaminants but look at this photo i found online, the carbon is so little, looks like granular carbon not even carbon block. To me, it seems that the filter emphasizes on alkaline more than the cleanliness or purity of the water. Tried to google, cant even find a proper specification in their website such as certification NSF or LGA or etc? Micron filtration? Specific media used.


If the media in the cartridge is too little, it might not be off any benefit. For Example, Orange contains Vitamin C and Vitamin C could lighten our skin. However, by consuming one orange alone could not make our skin lighter, the dosage of Vitamin C in orange (60-70mg) is just too little to have any effect as the dosage require is (1,000 – 3,000 mgs). That is why brands like Aquaphor, 3M and Amway emphasize on selected media (carbon block) rather than giving many different medias with very little quantity.

Source from :
http://www.whiterskin.info/how-taking-extr...-lightens-skin/

This post has been edited by zheilwane: Jun 18 2015, 08:49 PM

Bro, this video is some ppl in taiwan doing a test on cosway.

https://www.facebook.com/chiawei.feng/video...36/?pnref=story


The cost for cosway is 1.4k - 2.2k depending on the different model, price is lower but then can't even filter colouring, which has really big particle size than other chemicals.

Wow, seems scary. Too many different type of mineral stones inside, seems like not doing a good job as per your video.

Actually the promotion price is RM 3150 for DWS2500T + a set of replacement cartridge as per advertised above lowyat.

I think most people overlook the replacement cost for DWS2500T-CN @ RM 850. Initially i got one testing set for FREE and installed in my house happily. However after one year it is time to change the replacement, we finally feel the pain (replacement too expensive). That is why for most members who came to my shop before will know that i dont display DWS2500 and will not recommend customers to buy unless they are ready to pay the high maintenance cost, after explaining the details and they still decide to buy only i will order for them. Few months later after i used up the capacity, i will change to Aquaphor Crystal Eco, replacement is 50% cheaper even with 3 cartridges, initial cost is RM 1000 cheaper...

If you ask me Amway Espring and Aquaphor Crystal Eco would definitely be a better buy than DWS2500T, no doubt these 3 models are good but Amway and Aquaphor are more value for money.



This post has been edited by zheilwane: Jun 19 2015, 12:58 PM

Hi guys,

I just got Coway 2 months ago and 1st maintenance was done last week.
But the technician only do sanitation instead of changing any supposed filters.

Is that normal practice if the filters are not very dirty?


Btw isnt this discussion thread? Why i see so many sellers pm here pm there?

Aquaphor looks impressive. I'm in the habit of must boil water before drinking (using Panasonic filter now ) as I've no confidence in my condo's water quality. So, is Solo sufficient?. And if I opt for Eco and still boil the water, does that affect level of mineral loss, or basically is that ok?

This post has been edited by honkkydorry: Jun 19 2015, 12:59 PM

Bro, may i know any NSF certificate for Aquaphor Crystal Eco?
Thanks.

Yeah.. if you are renting, usually service is between 2months for 5 years (the last 3 years iinm is 3months/once) if out -right purchase then is first year free, the second year onward have to pay annually premium fee but 3months/once. Not sure the practice gonna work, since after they checked it if no problem then mean no change.

Yes you can direct drink from the tap with crystal eco without boiling as it will remove harmful contaminants and bacteria.

No mineral loss as this is not RO filter. If you checked on the aquaphor video that i posted previously Aqualen inside is like a magnet and it will absorb heavy metals while Minerals like calsium and magnesium will not be absorbed.

Aquaphor is from Europe, hence they use European standards and certificates LGA and TUV. Only aquaphor Morion RO system is mainly targeted for USA market has NSF. While Aquaphor crystal eco is mainly for European market hence they use LGA.

It is costly for one brand to have two certifications LGA and NSF but with either one of these it is already good to prove that the filter is as good as it claims to be.

Aquaphor has more than 20 years history in manufacturing high tech water filtration system and it is not a regular OEM brand from china, just do a google search and you will know Aquaphor is among the top brands in water filtration in Russia and several european countries. Aquaphor is available in 35countries (now 36 including malaysia) and has over 70 patents. www.aquaphor.com

This post has been edited by zheilwane: Jun 20 2015, 04:51 PM

NSF is not only limited for USA market.

Coway was a brand from Korea also certified by NSF standards.
Kinetico is selling in France, UK but didn't bother to get certify by LGA even, currently certified by WQA using NSF standards.
Philips (Europe) also certified by WQA using NSF standards.


To get certified under NSF labs is a serious ordeal, NSF test products towards the end of their life span (aged cartridge) for effectiveness. This is why you see some brands just rather get WQA certifications using NSF standards instead of sending it to NSF labs for the actual tests.

In Philips Water filter brochure, it was documented, Certified under NSF-53, NSF-55 by an independent laboratory.

Even Kinetico, with 35 years experience started to cut some corners, it was certified by NSF labs & WQA labs, now only WQA labs using NSF standards.


I strongly urge everyone to not just look at the standard numbers, but dwell deeper into the reports, what it can really filter, how long is the contaminants list. This is important, make sure VOC, THM, TTHM is in the list, TTHM is one of the major cause of breast cancer!!


Search NSF reports here: (key in brand name or manufacturer name)
http://info.nsf.org/Certified/DWTU/


Search WQA reports here:
http://www.wqa.org/Find-Products#/

This post has been edited by d_goh: Jun 21 2015, 02:11 PM

Culligan water filters are also tested NSF certified. Go go Culligan !!! It does't cut corners, really affordable but unfortunately many here prefer other brands.

Hi guys
Regarding NSF, i believe the below link will provide a clear pictures for all of us

http://info.nsf.org/Certified/DWTU/Listing...00&Standard=053

Try to have a look, its a great and directly information to every user and for those buyers who need to know about NSF compliances in 3M water filters!

I think u misunderstood my reply. AQUAPHOR crystal eco is mainly sold in european market and europeans do recognize LGA that is why they didnt bother to get NSF as it is expensive to get two certifications. While Dwm101 or Morion system is mainly sold in USA and USA customers only know NSF that is why Aquaphor send it in for NSF.

This is similar to accountants in malaysia will get either CPA or ACCA rather than both as companies in malaysia do recognize these two. It would be time consuming and expensive to have both. Some malaysian accountants do have MIA (malaysian institute of accountants) as well. However, if you are in Australia and wanna get a well paid job with only MIA most probably they wont hire you as they would prefer to hire someone with CPA

According to web,
1) kinetico is USA company, definitely they will go for NSF instead LGA
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kinetico

This post has been edited by zheilwane: Jun 21 2015, 10:05 PM

Hi is there any promotion for replacement catridge fro 3m -AP-DWS1000.?