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Household [Home Appliances] Water Filter, for drinking water purpose

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Jason
post May 28 2015, 05:10 PM

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QUOTE(leo2010 @ May 28 2015, 04:59 PM)
New landed property with moderate consumption. I am trying to understand the total cost of ownership & ease of maintenance between AP902 & POE sand filter.

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I'm in the same boat as you. AP902 you have to change cartridge every year or sooner according to the PDF. The cartridge is RM5xx.
http://multimedia.3m.com/mws/media/517695O...ouse-system.pdf

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• The disposable fi lter cartridge MUST be replaced every twelve (12) months, at the rated
capacity or sooner if a noticeable reduction in fl ow rate occurs.


I'm looking for RM5xx multi layer sand filter, or the Diamond master filter.
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QUOTE(Jason @ May 28 2015, 05:10 PM)
I'm in the same boat as you. AP902 you have to change cartridge every year or sooner according to the PDF. The cartridge is RM5xx.
http://multimedia.3m.com/mws/media/517695O...ouse-system.pdf
I'm looking for RM5xx multi layer sand filter, or the Diamond master filter.
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zheilwane got sell perfect steel too but not sure fit your budget or not.
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post May 28 2015, 07:27 PM

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QUOTE(leo2010 @ May 28 2015, 04:59 PM)
New landed property with moderate consumption. I am trying to understand the total cost of ownership & ease of maintenance between AP902 & POE sand filter.

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For POE, this backwash-able filter system is value for money. RM450 (NW1 cartridge) only. Installation is RM150.
Replacement cartridge got 2 types: NW1 RM40 and NW3 (Pleated) RM80
http://newworld.com.my/secure_back_wash.html
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post May 28 2015, 09:27 PM

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QUOTE(NightFelix @ May 28 2015, 06:01 PM)
zheilwane got sell perfect steel too but not sure fit your budget or not.
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doubt it! lately no more groupon deals. just need one for my home. low water use. sand one just use for 8 to 10 years then throw. no maintenance. leaning towards that.

no maintenance other than backwash i mean.

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post May 28 2015, 09:28 PM

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QUOTE(aeiou228 @ May 28 2015, 07:27 PM)
For POE, this backwash-able filter system is value for money. RM450 (NW1 cartridge) only. Installation is RM150.
Replacement cartridge got 2 types: NW1 RM40 and NW3 (Pleated) RM80 
http://newworld.com.my/secure_back_wash.html
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you using? how often change filter? RM450 for the filter casing very expensive
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post May 29 2015, 12:21 AM

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QUOTE(aeiou228 @ May 27 2015, 08:47 PM)
First of all, EZ4 is 500 gallon or 6 months which ever comes first, your original intention to prolong lifespan of the filter may not be applicable unless you want to ignore the 6 months filter replacement recommendation.
Secondly, The water pressure came out from my EZ4 filter is already too weak to go thru another stage of filtering. you need to take note of this.
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U mean after go thru EZ1 the water pressure will be too low to go thru one more EZ4?
how about exp date of the filter? will water filter have exp date if not use, cause thinking to buy more to stoke up ez4.
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post May 29 2015, 02:11 AM

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QUOTE(systaksis @ May 29 2015, 12:21 AM)
U mean after go thru EZ1 the water pressure will be too low to go thru one more EZ4?
how about exp date of the filter? will water filter have exp date if not use, cause thinking to buy more to stoke up ez4.
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Most filter comes with shelf life 1 to 2 years but once use (water flow into cartridge) is one year.

I guess is ok to use ez1 as a prefilter since is only nsf 42 class 3 (5 to 15micron) then ez4 is class 1 (0.5 to 1 micron) better filtration.

Alternatively for better filtration aquaphor could filter bacteria while culligan cant. Pm me if interested can customize for you two units of solo one with 5 micron as prefilter and the other one is 0.7 micron as main filter.

Or cheaper get a ceramic filter as prefilter then aquaphor with 0.8 micron (K7 cartridge).

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QUOTE(Jason @ May 28 2015, 09:28 PM)
you using? how often change filter? RM450 for the filter casing very expensive
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Nope, I use the Carrefour's cheapo RM25 10" sediments housing. If RM450 back washable filter is expensive, then you can consider the RM25 ones.

QUOTE(systaksis @ May 29 2015, 12:21 AM)
U mean after go thru EZ1 the water pressure will be too low to go thru one more EZ4?
how about exp date of the filter? will water filter have exp date if not use, cause thinking to buy more to stoke up ez4.
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If you want to instal prefilter, you can use the cheaper standard 10" housing as mentioned above. At least the water outlet is 3/4" before reducing to culligan 4mm water inlet.
You can buy ceramic filter for you prefilter.
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post May 29 2015, 05:54 PM

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QUOTE(zheilwane @ May 29 2015, 02:11 AM)
Most filter comes with shelf life 1 to 2 years but once use (water flow into cartridge) is one year.

I guess is ok to use ez1 as a prefilter since is only nsf 42 class 3 (5 to 15micron) then ez4 is class 1 (0.5 to 1 micron) better filtration.

Alternatively for better filtration aquaphor could filter bacteria while culligan can't. Pm me if interested can customize for you two units of solo one with 5 micron as prefilter and the other one is 0.7 micron as main filter.

Or cheaper get a ceramic filter as prefilter then aquaphor with 0.8 micron (K7 cartridge).
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I'm pretty sure the EZ-4 is better than the Solo in every way.
How is the Aquaphor Crystal have better filtration than Culligan EZ-4?

Bacteria is removed with 0.1 micron filtration or UV.
Are you saying Aquaphor filters down to 0.1 micron? Or does it have UV? If not, then your statement is false!

Wah lau, damn a lot of convincing man here trying to do sales. Caveat emptor!

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post May 29 2015, 06:43 PM

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Bacteria inside water after going through Culligan EZ-4 is killed by the boiling water, or is killed by the Chlorine in the water before filtration. Water after going through EZ-4 need to be boiled or go through a good UV light filter / purifier. Thank you.
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post May 29 2015, 07:51 PM

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Actually i already shared the catalog and also a video previously

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B4orAkJ_n8...pX2M/view?pli=1

Both Aquaphor solo and eco has aqualen (patented technology) and with this, it could have silver which is use to filter bacteria. There are many other benefits of Aqualen just check them out in my catalog, i did explain some of them previously. However Aquaphor Solo is using K2 cartridge with 3 micron filtration and yes ez4 will be better since it is 0.5 to 1 micron. That is why i suggested to customize Solo with K7 cartridge (0.7 micron). K7 is used for Crystal Eco. We are able to change the cartridge because both solo, eco and also their famous RO system all three using the same compatible cartridge, that means if Aquaphor were to develop a new and better filter you can always upgrade your filter by changing the cartridge. Most brands even 3m once they develop a new model, the cartridge is not compatible with the new models, forcing you to spend more $$ if you want to upgrade.


Only Eco is 0.1 micron.

Official web : www.aquaphor.com.my

Just suggesting another alternative. For those who need to get a drinking filter should read through all the info and then decide what is best for them. If you do not have time then just drop by my showroom for me to explain the details. Thanks.

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Somehow, I'm not so much convinced by filter are able to filter Bacteria/Viruses/Cysts etc other than Ultraviolet or Heat.
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post May 29 2015, 10:17 PM

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Actually there are many methods in bacteria filtration. 3m dws2500 uses 0.2 micron nylon membrane to filter bacteria. Amway epsring uses UV light. Aquaphor crystal eco uses two cartridges with silver and one cartridge with 0.1 micron membrane.

Just google search Silver Bacteria and you can find more information about it. Hospitals use silver for bandages and even some bed sheets also have silver.
I got to know this from a video shared on lowyat previously and that is how i found Aquaphor.

Watch "Dr Richard Wukich Slippery Rock University SRU Potters For Peace, Pots with Silver" https://youtu.be/_viaZH3puIQ

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I read your Aquaphor brochure and spec, which is why I know it is a false statement to say Aquaphor could filter bacteria and Culligan can't. You were misleading people in your statement that I highlighted in bold.

Aquaphor Solo is not suitable for drinking straight since it doesn't filter bacteria, nor does it filter down to 1 micron even. The Culligan EZ-4 and even the 3M AP Easy Complete is a better choice.

If one were to upgrade the Solo's filtration cartridge, then the pricing is significantly more than the EZ-4 (RM399), and probably close to 3M AP Easy Complete pricing.

Another critical spec missing from Aquaphor documents is the filter lifespan. Is it 100 gallons? 500 gallons? 750 gallons?

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QUOTE(Jason @ May 30 2015, 01:51 AM)
I read your Aquaphor brochure and spec, which is why I know it is a false statement to say Aquaphor could filter bacteria and Culligan can't. You were misleading people in your statement that I highlighted in bold.

Aquaphor Solo is not suitable for drinking straight since it doesn't filter bacteria, nor does it filter down to 1 micron even. The Culligan EZ-4 and even the 3M AP Easy Complete is a better choice.

If one were to upgrade the Solo's filtration cartridge, then the pricing is significantly more than the EZ-4 (RM399), and probably close to 3M AP Easy Complete pricing.

Another critical spec missing from Aquaphor documents is the filter lifespan. Is it 100 gallons? 500 gallons? 750 gallons?
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First of all, both Solo and Eco has silver to filter bacteria. For direct drinking then definitely go for Crystal Eco. The upgrade from Solo K2 to K7 is cheap as we are just changing the cartridge (rm 600 after upgrading).

Doubtful with the effectiveness of silver?
Watch "Dr Richard Wukich Slippery Rock University SRU Potters For Peace, Pots with Silver" https://youtu.be/_viaZH3puIQ

Thanks for pointing it out, overlook to include the capacity info.
As per website Crystal solo capacity 4000L
K1-02 - Replacement filter for deep purification of drinking water. Reduces all common impurities including chlorine, lead, BACTERIA and solid particles sized down to 5μm

http://old.aquaphor.com/filters/crystal-solo.htm

For price comparison,
Ez 4 as per your lelong price is rm 399 does not include a filter tap and i believe do not have the convertor adaptor for under sink installation both will cost approximately rm 120 (average price) if you get a premium filter tap like Sorento gonna cost rm 200+.
Cost inclusive tap is rm 519. Replacement is rm 299 as per lelong.

Aquaphor crystal with K7 (0.7micron, with silver and aqualen) just a refresher Aqualen prevent chanelling effect, evenly distribute water flow to prevent dead zone, highly effecient in absorbing heavy metals and etc can read them in catalog. Cost rm 600 inclusive filter tap and brass under sink adaptor. Replacement rm 200.

From my experience any single cartridge filter with 1micron filtration or lesser like AP easy complete, Solo with K7 and Ez4 better get a prefilter if your water is too dirty and you do not have an outdoor filter (especially old condos).

Btw Jason if i missed out anything or anything else you need to know can just ask smile.gif thanks.

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post May 31 2015, 05:16 PM

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QUOTE(zheilwane @ May 30 2015, 05:03 AM)
Btw Jason if i missed out anything or anything else you need to know can just ask smile.gif thanks.
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Thank you for the information rclxms.gif NOW we are having a real discussion and not salesman talk.

Based on the info, the Crystal Solo with K1-07B filter would outperform both the 3M AP Easy Complete and Culligan EZ-4. As it will filter down to 0.1 micron, while reducing other contaminants in line with NSF 42 and 53.

At RM600 for the set and RM200 for the replacement, I think we have a worthy competitor in the market. With the filter life at 4000L ~ 1056 gallons, it is double the Culligan and 30% more than the 3M at a lower price.

I do hope you recommend to upgrade the Solo with the K1-07B filters to your customers. Judging at the price, no reason not to.

Bravo zheilwane. Are you the distributor for Aquaphor in Malaysia?
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zheilwane What is the price for 3M C-Complete RC now?
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QUOTE(Jason @ May 31 2015, 05:16 PM)
Thank you for the information  rclxms.gif NOW we are having a real discussion and not salesman talk.

Based on the info, the Crystal Solo with K1-07B filter would outperform both the 3M AP Easy Complete and Culligan EZ-4. As it will filter down to 0.1 micron, while reducing other contaminants in line with NSF 42 and 53.

At RM600 for the set and RM200 for the replacement, I think we have a worthy competitor in the market. With the filter life at 4000L ~ 1056 gallons, it is double the Culligan and 30% more than the 3M at a lower price.

I do hope you recommend to upgrade the Solo with the K1-07B filters to your customers. Judging at the price, no reason not to.

Bravo zheilwane. Are you the distributor for Aquaphor in Malaysia?
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I wouldnt recommend jus k1-07b alone. 0.1 micron with just single cartridge it is gonna get clogged very fast and the amount of carbon block with silver in the cartridge is very little as 50% to 60% of the cartridge is membrane. I have customers using 3M ap easy complete didnt install outdoor filter got clogged in 2 months. So, for direct drinking i would strongly recommend Crystal Eco. Sometimes spec doesnt explain everything, i have choosen Aquaphor based on my experience and customer feedback from using 3M. We understand that there are many people who are concern about bacteria in their drinking water and opt for amway espring which has uv light, 3m also develop dws2500 to cater for this need but reputable filters that can filter bacteria is just too expensive (espring rm 3000+ and 3m dws2500 rm 2300+). That is why we got Aquaphor Crystal Eco @ rm 1350 (after promo is rm 1500).

We are currently the Sole distributor for Aquaphor in Malaysia, that is why we are able to sell so cheap compared to singapore pricing. (Solo with k2 now rm 550 while singapore rm 800). The more tiers in selling a product, the more expensive it will become.

Btw, if with K7b will be more expensive than K7. For better performance with K7b then better must get Crystal Eco (with prefilter and also extra cartridges with carbon block and silver). If need more info just drop by my showroom and ask for zean.

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QUOTE(lowya @ May 28 2015, 12:11 PM)
Please use following format if you have a good indoor filter for comparison.

Brand: Culligan
Model: IC-EZ-1
Make: USA
Capacity: 3000 gallons or change yearly
Standard: NSF42
Cost: RM66
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Still waiting for Aquaphor contender to fill up the blanks:

Brand: Aquaphor
Model:
Make:
Capacity:
Standard:
Cost:

Let's do a real product comparison.

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QUOTE(lowya @ Jun 1 2015, 01:01 PM)
Still waiting for Aquaphor contender to fill up the blanks:

Brand: Aquaphor
Model:
Make:
Capacity:
Standard:
Cost:

Let's do a real product comparison.

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Brand: Aquaphor
Model: Crystal Solo / Crystal Eco
Make: Europe mainly russia and some parts germany
Capacity: 4000L / 8000 L
Standard: LGA and TUV
Cost: rm 550 / rm 1350
Technology :
1) both models have Aqualen (read catalog for the benefits) and Silver to kill bacteria.

2) Crystal eco only has 0.1 micron membrane (made by mitsubishi japan)

3) CarbFibre block technology

Note : Culligan and 3M do not have the above, they are only using the regular carbon block.

It is not acurate to compare like this. Will be kinda lengthy for me to retype. Do read back my previous replies and the links. It is a little time consuming but getting the facts right will help you to make a better decision or drop by my showroom for more information and also try direct drinking the water after going through Aquaphor crystal eco, we have a unit installed in our shop.

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