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post Jan 30 2008, 07:29 PM, updated 15y ago

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I'm writing this guide as universal as possible so that anybody who's interested in pursuing this field can get a definitive idea of what to do, where to go and how. I will update this as frequent as possible. There have been several inquiries on studying architecture, so I wish I could redirect them to this topic. Although I'm attached to UTM, my intention is purely altruistic and to provide information as neutral as possible.

This is the second version of the thread. The information is updated to cater for the 2008 intake coming soon.





The Architecture Profession: A Brief Introduction

1.0 What is an Architect?

Architecture is one of the oldest profession in the world. An architect is a designer of buildings. They don't actually construct them, because they have builders working for them. Architects are the leader in the construction industry, usually second only to the client or developer. They don't just design buildings, architects also take into consideration the clients needs and requirements and protects their rights.



2.0 Governing Bodies
The architecture profession in Malaysia is protected by law. The regulating and governing body of the architecture profession in Malaysia is known as Lembaga Akitek Negara (LAM). They govern the entire profession starting from the definition of an architect under the Malaysian Constitution, licensing, practice, acts and enactments as well as education.

The other body that concerns the well being of architects themselves is Pertubuhan Akitek Malaysia. It functions as an association that takes care of its members, organize functions and manages the professional development of an architect from the lowest to highest qualification.



3.0. Practicing Architecture

Just like Bar exams for lawyers, architects also require certain level of qualification that is a standard worldwide. The qualifications are known as PAM Part 1, 2 and 3. The equivalent of this is RIBA (Royal Institute of British Architects), AIA (American Institute of Architects) and RAIA (Royal Australian Institute of Architects).

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The diagram above shows the career path of an architect. After graduating with Part 2, a person is known as an architect, and will be able to practice according to the job specification of an architect. This should be the minimum target of anyone pursuing this profession. Anything less is a waste of time.

These qualifications can be obtained in two ways:
    i. Obtaining a fully accredited degree (or equivalent) that carries Part 1 or 2 equivalent.
    ii. Sitting for individual exams after obtaining a non-accredited degree for Part or 2.
Part 3 can only be obtained after practicing as an architect for a minimum of 2 years and fulfilling all the project requirements set by LAM. Fulfilling these needs, the architect will then submit themselves to a series of interviews and exams to determine that they are capable and absolutely qualified. These exams are conducted by PAM.

So how do one study to become an architect?



4.0. Common Paths to Studying Architecture

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BLUE - degrees that lead to LAM accredited Part 2 architecture.
GREEN - degrees that lead to LAM accredited Part 1 architecture.
YELLOW - degrees that in currently unaccredited by LAM, but is of Part 1 or 2 equivalent.
ORANGE - diplomas that are sub-Part 1.
GREY - pre-university certificates.
RED - LAM qualifications exams to be taken independently.


List of Abbreviations:

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The diagram above illustrates, as simple as possible, the route to become an architect after SPM. There are several ways to do so, and it is totally up to a person. The choices are quite open, where students can generally study fulltime in Malaysia, partly in Malaysia+overseas, or fully overseas.

Each of the choices above have its own advantage and disadvantages. This I will elaborate further in the future. Most important factors are time and money. So the next question would be: where can you study architecture?



4.1. Schools, Accreditation and Level of Qualification

LAM in collaboration with Lembaga Akreditasi Negara (LAN) frequently assesses schools (once every 5 years) in order to maintain the standard of education for architecture. New schools will need to be assessed fully before given accreditation. As I've mentioned before, to obtain Part 1 and 2 qualifications, the diploma or degree must be accredited by LAM and LAN.

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Schools not currently accredited usually have a partner or twinning programmes with other accredited universities. LUCT for example is partnering with Curtin University, which by the time a student graduates from Curtin, they will acquire a PAM part 2 equivalent qualification.

Important note: In architecture education, there are two bodies awarding recognition/accreditation: LAN/MQA and LAM. LAN/MQA is responsible in ensuring that the course offered complies to the standard of awarding an academic certificate (diploma, degree etc). Not having a LAN/MQA recognition simply means the school does not have high enough standard to award a single degree, let alone an architectural degree. LAM on the other hand monitors the quality of architecture education, ensuring that a degree produces qualified architect for practice. Not having LAM accreditation means the degree still has value, but not enough to become a legally licensed architects. However graduates still have the option to take LAM exams independently.


4.2. Accredited International Schools


Studying overseas is one of the recommended option to study architecture. It is advised that an architect to travel as much as they can, to understand other buildings, arts and cultures. I personally would recommend studying in Europe, as you can really benefit a lot from travel. Listed below are accredited schools by LAN & LAM, which upon graduation, you will be automatically awarded PAM part 2, an additional qualification apart from the given RIBA equivalent.

(Meaning if you graduated from these schools, you can work both overseas and in Malaysia.)

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4.3. Common Paths after Finishing Part 1


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The diagram above illustrates common paths that most architecture students with Part 1 took after finishing up their first degrees. Yellow choices indicate academic paths, and blue choices indicate work/practice paths. It is also common that students choose to work for a year or two before continuing for their Part 2. Having work experience tremendously boosts their chances to land a place in a university, not to mention the advantage of experience they have over other students who went straight from Part 1.



5.0. Planning Your Studies

5.1. SPM Subject Relevance

Due to so many questions about what subject(s) to take during SPM that would be considered relevant to architecture, I've tabled out all the SPM subjects (not including vocational subject category) and explained more or less on its relevancy to architecture education.

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    i. Subject - Subjects that have been categorized according to its similar contribution towards architecture education.
    ii. Category - Keywords of relevant knowledge or skills that is attributed to the subject in architecture education.
    iii. Description - A brief description on what the subject could contribute when studying architecture.
    iv. Relevance - The value of taking that particular subject in relation to learning architecture.
This table is not to be confused with the intake requirement for any university. This list compiles the relevance of the subjects according to the typical architecture curriculum. Meaning, not taking a "Very Relevant" subject does not put you at a disadvantage when applying for architecture compared to those taking it.

The other reason for this table is to demystify the common misconception that students need Math, AddMath, Physics and Arts in architecture, where in actual fact, those requirements are only needed when applying for the course. The purpose of this table is to provide general knowledge so anyone who just finished PMR could decide which subject they want to take for SPM in order to benefit the most during architecture education.



Updated :
(4 Jan) List of LAM Accredited International Schools
(4 Jan) Updated diagram 4.0 to include Taylor's and LUCT paths
(4 Jan) Inserted spoiler tags to keep everything tidy
(26 Jan) Inserted item 4.3: Common paths after finishing part 1
(2 Feb) Added section 5.0. Planning Your Studies
(2 Feb) Inserted diagram 5.1.
(23 Mar) Updated diagram 4.0.
(17 Dec) Updated the accreditation list
(30 Jan 08) Updated diagram 4.0 with new information and format
(30 Jan 08) Updated diagram 5.1. with new relevancy
(30 Jan 08) Inserted Architectural FAQs
(30 Jan 08) Started Version 2 of the discussions
(2 Feb 08) Updated diagram 4.0. to include Kolej Negeri, Kolej Shahputra, ITP YPJ and UCI
(2 Feb 08) Added abbreviation guide
(20 Oct 08) Added UPM into the list of LAM Part 1 Accredited Schools
(5 Apr 09) Updated diagram 4.0 with new information and format
(5 Apr 09) Added UPM and UIAM into the list of LAM Part 2 Accredited Schools
(5 Jan 10) Updated some details

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Architecture FAQs


1.0. Planning Towards Architecture as a Profession


1.1. Planning your route to architecture

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1.2. Where to study?

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1.3. Switching to architecture


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1.4. Financing your studies


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1.5. Accreditation, Recognition and Qualification Issues


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1.6. Applying to a school of architecture


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1.7. School specific questions

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2.0. Architecture Education


2.1. Studying architecture


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2.2. Subjects and topics offered


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2.3. Skills and abilities


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2.4. Computing in architecture education


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2.5. References on architecture education


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2.6. University life in Malaysia


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3.0. POST ARCHITECTURE EDUCATION


3.1. Prospects after studies


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3.2. About the profession and industry


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What will Architecture be like as a profession? (What will an Architect be doing?)

An example scenario of an Architect on the job will be ideal. (What would you be doing in the office, and what would be your assignments, etc...as such.)

Thanks a lot in advance. (In addition, thanks a lot for the informations provided in this thread as well.)

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good questions. will be added into the FAQ later on. for the time being, let me answer them first.

QUOTE(Benjamin911 @ Feb 2 2008, 12:20 PM)
What will Architecture be like as a profession? (What will an Architect be doing?)


this has been outlined in item 3.0. in the 1st post. to detail out:

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ur question is actually quite huge. it would help if u could narrow it down. however, to sum up simply, a part 2 and a part 3 architect generally do the same thing, but part 3 architects have the authority to endorse, engage and disengage a project, client, suppliers at will. well part 2 can do that too, if they're the boss.

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An example scenario of an Architect on the job will be ideal. (What would you be doing in the office, and what would be your assignments, etc...as such.)

Thanks a lot in advance. (In addition, thanks a lot for the informations provided in this thread as well.)
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it's hard to find a description that best describe the profession as an architect. one office may practice it entirely different from the next. one office could run a tough, militaristic, iron claw management of the practice; while another is a very casual, google like environment with lots of flirting around and relaxing. one architect might be PC bound as primarily a designer; while another jumps from local authorities to government departments to client meetings to manage and negotiate the business; and another may prefer sticking around construction sites supervising the construction of their brainchild. i know my boss never bothered about the design, he just talk cock to the client and with uncanny ability he will convince them that this is a good design. i dunno how he did it, i just design the stuff. he sold it.

a good architect is one who could have a multitude of abilities, from coming up with good ideas; good negotiation skills with clients, suppliers, contractors and authorities; to having strong presence and leadership skills in managing other designers and workers in the office. ofcourse, being able to do everything may mean that the office will be your new home, and u only go back to ur house maybe once a week.

will add to this later.


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ur question is actually quite huge. it would help if u could narrow it down.
Basically, I would like to have more details about the Architect's job, or his assignments.

For example, what will the Architect need to do when up comes a need for a very important building to be constructed; but no one have any idea where to place the building, nor know how the building is going to look like, nor know about the facilities of the building, nor know any other physical details about the building; all they know is that, it is going to be a Hospital!

Without any drawings, plans, and models etc yet, with only the client's words that he wants a Hospital to be build, what will the Architect need to do from there onwards? (I am very interested to know!)

I am not sure whether will there be such a client in the real world, but lets imagine that he totally do not know anything at all then the fact that he wants a Hospital to be build. He would tell you; "I would need you to go and figure out the Hospital, where would be the best location for it, how will it look like, how much will it cost, how big will it have to be, and how many facilities will it need to have because I do not know anything about buildings and their construction processes at all; but I assume that you are the professional and trust you for the job! Anything else that is needed or required, you go and figure it out!" "I want the Hospital to be ready by the APRIL of next year; that would give you like 14 months for the completion of my Hospital from now. All the best to you!"

Lets imagine that the client left everything for you to do on your own, including leaving you to determine the budget for the project and the overall construction cost. You have to figure everything out about the Hospital yourself, including determining the number and type of professions needed for the job and to complete the job.

What will the Architect have to do from there onwards until the Hospital is ready to accept and house the patients? (Keeping in mind that at this stage, no one even knows how the Hospital is going to look like and be like yet.)

Lets get into the details if they are needed!

Thanks a lot in advance.

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i'm not sure to what depth i should explain here. but i'll try to be brief yet detailed.

a design project always start with the brief. the brief details out the idea, the intention, objective, approach, style and specific requirements. during education of an architect, the student will be eased in from first year to final year with a multitude of briefs.

in the 1st year, the brief is small, straight forward and often very prescriptive. it means the project is usually no bigger than a small house, a clear objective of what u need to do, and a detailed checklist of stuff that needs to be in it.

towards final year, especially thesis, the brief gets more subjective, analogues and very open. and usually during thesis itself, there is no brief given at all. u, as the next architect, is incharge of coming up with a brief and finally a full scheme all on ur own. u find ur own client, ur own site, ur own project - everything.

so addressing ur question...

usually a client will come to an architect with 3 things:
i. what he wants (objective, intention, scheme etc)
ii. where he wants it (location, site)
iii. how much he's got (the budget)

with these three, very basic things, an architect will be able to compose a detailed brief. this brief will be discussed with the clients, where an architect will convince the client that this is the best deal he can get with the money he's got. this stage is one of the initial stage of design, and usually without drawings. perhaps 1 or 2 sketches, but very minimal, just to hook the client to step into the first stage of design: conceptualization.

in this stage, the client will be required to fork out some money for the conceptualization fees. at this point, a whole scheme will be produced in presentation drawings. regardless whether the client engages in the project or not, this is a paid service. this stage can take as quickly as 2 weeks or as long as 2 years. some clients are very, very cerewet with their money, but hey, it's what this business is all about - the very best bang for the buck. and yes, an architect should be able to come up with a full scheme for a hospital from scratch in two weeks.

remember that an architect has a huge database of architectural design in his head as a result of the training. he can assemble and compose a new design at will, just like a kid could assemble a bunch of legos.

after the client agrees with the proposal, then it starts into the production stage where the working drawings are produced. with this, the QS, civil engineers, interior designers, landscape architects and local authorities came in. engineers will need to approve that the design can be built. QS needs to approve that the cost of the building is within the client's budget. landscape architect does the landscape, and ID do the interiors.

after all is approved, the architect will instruct the beginning of the next stage. at this point, the client will have to pay the next round of fees. appointed contractors will start construction as soon as the budget's in. at this point the architect, engineers and all involved will continuously inspect the construction until it's done.

once done, the local authorities will inspect it one last time. when satisfied, they will issue a CF (certificate of fitness), and people can move in immediately. at this stage the client settles the final fees.

that's roughly how it goes. i only have about 2 years worth of industrial experience, and i do tend spend most of my time on conceptual/ideation stage rather than construction bcoz that's my specialty. i can cook up designs from scratch overnight. so my boss gave me the time and space needed for me to work, and let other people take care the other stuff.



u stressed on an issue of an architect coming up stuff from scratch. if u've read enough books, observed enough designs and so on during education, u will build a vast architectural vocabulary that is unique and accessible only to u. this is very important, just as language vocabulary is as crucial to a writer. u can only use the same words a certain amount of time. or else, the book will get very boring and repetitive fairly quickly wink.gif.
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wow... moved to version 2 already... congraz~

by the way, azarimy, the Architecture FAQs section 1.7 School specific questions, missing some questions haven't been answered yet? or 4gotten to replace the answer into it?
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QUOTE(Lon3LyJay @ Feb 3 2008, 10:26 AM)
wow... moved to version 2 already... congraz~

by the way, azarimy, the Architecture FAQs section 1.7 School specific questions, missing some questions haven't been answered yet? or 4gotten to replace the answer into it?
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it's not been answered yet coz i dont know the answer. i'm still trying to get hold with those school's management, and will update it later on. if any of u knew the answer confidently, just pop the answer here and i'll update the info wink.gif.
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azarimy,

The life of an Architect certainly sounds interesting to me. smile.gif

BTW, I would like to ask whether designing maps for strategy games like Command & Conquer will be having any contribution to the Architecture learning curve and experience? I would like to ask this because I have been designing maps for a C&C strategy game. Currently, I am designing a big map involving many buildings, bridges, structures, roads, cities, bases, facilities, cliffs, and strategies. I just got the passion and inspiration for designing maps that are developed and established. However, I am very worried that I might be wasting the tenths of hours to weeks on map designing alone if it is not going to benefit me Architecturally in any sense. I have been spending many hours in each of the days of the last few weeks designing this present map of mine alone; which is admittedly, a very big one, and it is containing the most buildings, bridges, roads, cliffs, units, and strategies among all of my previous maps. (My computer also hung many times in the development of this current map.) There are also the separate challenges of making sure that the map can function and work well, or else everything would have been done in vain. (A beautiful map that cannot work, or function well; or a map that is very beautiful in the outlooks, but have poorly thought out designs, or contain bad planning.) Many a times, I had to compromise between nicer outlooks with poor functionality, or not as nice looking outlooks with better, or more efficient functionality. (I have been going for the latter due to my frustrations during game play with the not smart enough Artificial Intelligence.) They are MANY other problems...But, have I been wasting my time on all this? unsure.gif

Anyway, I always feel a sense of great achievement and satisfaction whenever I have completed a portion of the map! rclxm9.gif (The map is always in the never complete status though...either there would always be more ideas for me to add to it, or I would just have to go in again and alter this, alter that....sometimes it even involved massive revamp to accommodate new ideas, new thoughts...sometimes just to design something purely for the feeling or mood of it - which I could not feel in the previous designs.)

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QUOTE(Benjamin911 @ Feb 3 2008, 10:37 PM)
azarimy,

The life of an Architect certainly sounds interesting to me. smile.gif

BTW, I would like to ask whether designing maps for strategy games like Command & Conquer will be having any contribution to the Architecture learning curve and experience? I would like to ask this because I have been designing maps for a C&C strategy game. Currently, I am designing a big map involving many buildings, bridges, structures, roads, cities, bases, facilities, cliffs, and strategies. I just got the passion and inspiration for designing maps that are developed and established. However, I am very worried that I might be wasting the tenths of hours to weeks on map designing alone if it is not going to benefit me Architecturally in any sense. I have been spending many hours in each of the days of the last few weeks designing this present map of mine alone; which is admittedly, a very big one, and it is containing the most buildings, bridges, roads, cliffs, units, and strategies among all of my previous maps. (My computer also hung many times in the development of this current map.) There are also the separate challenges of making sure that the map can function and work well, or else everything would have been done in vain. (A beautiful map that cannot work, or function well; or a map that is very beautiful in the outlooks, but have poorly thought out designs, or contain bad planning.) Many a times, I had to compromise between nicer outlooks with poor functionality, or not as nice looking outlooks with better, or more efficient functionality. (I have been going for the latter due to my frustrations during game play with the not smart enough Artificial Intelligence.) They are MANY other problems...But, have I been wasting my time on all this?  unsure.gif

Anyway, I always feel a sense of great achievement and satisfaction whenever I have completed a portion of the map!  rclxm9.gif (The map is always in the never complete status though...either there would always be more ideas for me to add to it, or I would just have to go in again and alter this, alter that....sometimes it even involved massive revamp to accommodate new ideas, new thoughts...sometimes just to design something purely for the feeling or mood of it - which I could not feel in the previous designs.)
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Man, if you are into games, I suggest SimCity 4 at least...Now THAT, is city planning.
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i'm not too sure about designing C&C maps, but as far as i can see, C&C maps lack one very crucial thing in architecture: scale.

scale is very important in architecture, as it determines the relationship of one form or space to the other as well as its functionalities. when u talk about function and practicality of the maps, u're not talking about daily usage but about balancing gameplay. but ofcourse, it has its design elements as well, but it doesnt have the complexity of architecture. come to think of it, architecture is the most complex design of all in the first place.

what u have there is probably some good experience in the design process. design process is the process of exploration, testing, experimentation and purification and it goes round and round until u get the very best end product. if u think designing a C&C map is tough, wait till u had to juggle between budget, intention, site, engineering, function, form, outlook, environmental impacts and thousands other issues interlaced in architectural design. and these are real issues biggrin.gif.

during my masters, i did quite a number of virtual designs using VRML, C++ and a little bit of processing. we did a small counterstrike map, which was a little too realistic (bcoz all 7 of us were graduate architects and only 2 of us had any experience with CS). i would say maps for FPS carry more detail and depth compared to RTS maps.

scale is important in design, but alot of virtual stuff does not care about scale. but yeah, atleast u do got some experience in designing. that would count, although not directly.


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i'm not too sure about designing C&C maps, but as far as i can see, C&C maps lack one very crucial thing in architecture: scale.

scale is very important in architecture, as it determines the relationship of one form or space to the other as well as its functionalities. when u talk about function and practicality of the maps, u're not talking about daily usage but about balancing gameplay. but ofcourse, it has its design elements as well, but it doesnt have the complexity of architecture. come to think of it, architecture is the most complex design of all in the first place.

what u have there is probably some good experience in the design process. design process is the process of exploration, testing, experimentation and purification and it goes round and round until u get the very best end product. if u think designing a C&C map is tough, wait till u had to juggle between budget, intention, site, engineering, function, form, outlook, environmental impacts and thousands other issues interlaced in architectural design. and these are real issues biggrin.gif.

during my masters, i did quite a number of virtual designs using VRML, C++ and a little bit of processing. we did a small counterstrike map, which was a little too realistic (bcoz all 7 of us were graduate architects and only 2 of us had any experience with CS). i would say maps for FPS carry more detail and depth compared to RTS maps.

scale is important in design, but alot of virtual stuff does not care about scale. but yeah, atleast u do got some experience in designing. that would count, although not directly.
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Alright, thanks a lot Azarimy! smile.gif

I am glad to know that I have not really been wasting my time designing those maps. (I really enjoy designing C&C Tiberian Sun Firestorm maps. I really enjoyed putting everything together in Harmony. I will continue to design and develop a great and interesting map. smile.gif)

BTW;

I will be going to the MPH bookstore tomorrow to get a book called;

Ecological Architecture - A Critical History by James Steele.

The book have the words Thames & Hudson printed on the bottom left corner.

If you have anything else to tell me, you are most welcome to.

Regards.

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QUOTE(Benjamin911 @ Feb 4 2008, 12:50 AM)
Alright, thanks a lot Azarimy! smile.gif

I am glad to know that I have not really been wasting my time designing those maps.

BTW;

I will be going to the MPH bookstore tomorrow get a book called;

Ecological Architecture - A Critical History by James Steele.

The book have the words Thames & Hudson printed on the bottom left corner.

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James Steele...if you have the time, do come over to FBE, UM on the starting of every 1st semester. Steele is from USC and our 4th year have a co-op every year with USC, and Steele is their Prof that brings them (USC students, not UM) all over Asia and stop in UM for the co-op, which last roughly around 2 months. Can look him up for chit chat. Sometimes he gives talk and others can join.

Mind you, most Westerners have really good grasp of English and their talk is very "deep" within the architecture world. Most people can't appreciate because they can't muster the language well enough.


Added on February 4, 2008, 1:12 amBenjamin911, how far along into architecture are you?

Oh, and by the way, I realized that my institution always teach us the "legendary icons" of architecture first, before the "contemporary" ones. You know, Frank Lloyd Wright, Le Corb, Phillip Johnson, etc. before talking more on Fosters, Rogers, Koolhaas, etc. I guess it is the understanding of history and origins of architecture and arts (yes, we do need to learn arts) before going into the mainstream.

If you are in the first year, that book that you are going to buy, Benjamin, I'm not sure if it's going to be of any use to you as of yet. You would only be "preferring" a certain style much later on into your later years...say 3rd or maybe 5th. As a student, you should experiment every style there is. Ecological may not mean a certain style, but it does limit your capability at your initial years...assuming that you are first year.

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James Steele...if you have the time, do come over to FBE, UM on the starting of every 1st semester. Steele is from USC and our 4th year have a co-op every year with USC, and Steele is their Prof that brings them (USC students, not UM) all over Asia and stop in UM for the co-op, which last roughly around 2 months. Can look him up for chit chat. Sometimes he gives talk and others can join.

Mind you, most Westerners have really good grasp of English and their talk is very "deep" within the architecture world. Most people can't appreciate because they can't muster the language well enough.


Added on February 4, 2008, 1:12 amBenjamin911, how far along into architecture are you?

Oh, and by the way, I realized that my institution always teach us the "legendary icons" of architecture first, before the "contemporary" ones. You know, Frank Lloyd Wright, Le Corb, Phillip Johnson, etc. before talking more on Fosters, Rogers, Koolhaas, etc. I guess it is the understanding of history and origins of architecture and arts (yes, we do need to learn arts) before going into the mainstream.

If you are in the first year, that book that you are going to buy, Benjamin, I'm not sure if it's going to be of any use to you as of yet. You would only be "preferring" a certain style much later on into your later years...say 3rd or maybe 5th. As a student, you should experiment every style there is. Ecological may not mean a certain style, but it does limit your capability at your initial years...assuming that you are first year.
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Well, actually I have not even started studying Architecture yet. I will be going for the March intake in Taylor's School of Architecture & Build Environment.

Basically, I plan to get that book to know more about Ecological/Environmental Architecture...(I am curious to know about it. It looks and sounds interesting to me.)

Thanks for the additional information. notworthy.gif

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Well, actually I have not even started studying Architecture yet. I will be going for the March intake in Taylor's School of Architecture & Build Environment.

Basically, I plan to get that book to know more about Ecological/Environmental Architecture...(I am curious to know about it. It looks and sounds interesting to me.)

Thanks for the additional information.  notworthy.gif

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Well, good on you rclxms.gif Salute your enthuthiasm notworthy.gif Keep it up for the next few years. You're going to need it wink.gif While you're at it, you can look up our local legend that made famous the Ecological/Environmental Architecture, Ken Yeang. Well, actually it sent him to stardom. Most universities will be emphasizing on sustainability, so I guess it's good to take an early step. It's hard to comprehend though...that book that you'll be buying...you'll have different outlook of it every year.

If you have the time, do read through 3 books from Francis D.K. Ching: 1. Form, Space and Order; 2. Design Drawing; 3. Building Construction Illustrated.
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Well, good on you  rclxms.gif  Salute your enthuthiasm  notworthy.gif  Keep it up for the next few years. You're going to need it  wink.gif  While you're at it, you can look up our local legend that made famous the Ecological/Environmental Architecture, Ken Yeang. Well, actually it sent him to stardom. Most universities will be emphasizing on sustainability, so I guess it's good to take an early step. It's hard to comprehend though...that book that you'll be buying...you'll have different outlook of it every year.

If you have the time, do read through 3 books from Francis D.K. Ching: 1. Form, Space and Order; 2. Design Drawing; 3. Building Construction Illustrated.
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Wow, this is getting interesting...

Is Malaysia starting to emphasize on Ecological & Environmental/Green Architecture? Because, I certainly think that we desperately need it!

P.S., Architecture combined with Agriculture is really going to be interesting...

BTW, Malaysia should start looking towards "Green Buildings" for the sake of nature, environment, health, cleanliness, and hygiene...They can spend so much on buildings like the Patronas Twin Towers for example...why not use all those $$$$ for environmental friendly buildings that are crucial for our well being instead? wink.gif

Regards.

BTW, as for those three books that you have mentioned, I will be trying to get them as well. (Perhaps my College would require them.)

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Wow, this is getting interesting...

Is Malaysia starting to emphasize on Ecological & Environmental Architecture? Because, I certainly think that we desperately need it!

P.S., Architecture combined with Agriculture is really going to be interesting...

BTW, Malaysia should start looking towards "Green Buildings" for the sake of nature, environment, health, cleanliness, and hygiene...They can spend so much on buildings like the Patronas Twin Towers for example...why not use all those $$$$ for environmental friendly buildings that are crucial for our well being instead?

Regards.

BTW, as for those three books that you have mentioned, I will be trying to get them as well. (Perhaps my College would require them.)

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Not sure if your College requires it of you, but it is recommended by our seniors when I entered the Uni, and had passed on the same wisdom ever since. None of the juniors don't have any of these. If you find it expensive in MPH or Borders or Popular, come to UM bookstore. They sell them pretty cheap there.

Green buildings...hmmm...you'll learn more about it soon wink.gif But here's a little hint: 1. It's not as idyllic as you think; 2. It's not as easy as you think; & 3. Malaysia do have green buildings...and no, it's not green in colour or filled with flora. wink.gif
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Not sure if your College requires it of you, but it is recommended by our seniors when I entered the Uni, and had passed on the same wisdom ever since. None of the juniors don't have any of these. If you find it expensive in MPH or Borders or Popular, come to UM bookstore. They sell them pretty cheap there.

Green buildings...hmmm...you'll learn more about it soon  wink.gif  But here's a little hint: 1. It's not as idyllic as you think; 2. It's not as easy as you think; & 3. Malaysia do have green buildings...and no, it's not green in colour or filled with flora.  wink.gif
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Alright, I would get those three books even when my college does not require it!! wink.gif (Seeing that all your juniors of UM are having those.) biggrin.gif

BTW, until today, I still do not have a solid idea of where UM is located; except for one of it's entrance located near the University Hospital area: Where my uncle used to work! laugh.gif

I am sure that you know what is Green Building about. wink.gif

For my case now, I have Wikipedia!!! thumbup.gif

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_building

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_architecture

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sustainable_design

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BTW, does Malaysia already have Green Buildings? shocking.gif

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Green architecture such as sustainable, energy saving buildings? well, our country and govt nvr really emphasized on this issue so not many ppl are going the green way. Besides that the technology involved cost a lot more.
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It seems to me that nowadays, the lecturers had a hand in telling the juniors of getting those books as well, particular Form, Space and Order.

Aah... smile.gif Well, it's hard to define what a green building actually is eh? Hmmm, told you that Ken Yeang is our local icon right? Why not look him up? And then, there's Hijjas Kasturi. Oh, don't forget GDP. Well, there are a few others, why not take sometime to research around?
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It seems to me that nowadays,  the lecturers had a hand in telling the juniors of getting those books as well, particular Form, Space and Order.

Aah... smile.gif Well, it's hard to define what a green building actually is eh? Hmmm, told you that Ken Yeang is our local icon right? Why not look him up? And then, there's Hijjas Kasturi. Oh, don't forget GDP. Well, there are a few others, why not take sometime to research around?
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OK, I wrote down those 3 books into my buying list! biggrin.gif Thanks for informing me about them.

Yes, it is time to be a researcher and research more about the R&D of Green Buildings and Green Architecture.

BTW, in my imagination, the new Taylor's Lakeside Campus really looks like a Futuristic State of the Art Greenhouse. [Heck, it should be one, I can imagine how nice it would be to study Architecture in a Flagship State of the Art Greenhouse!]


http://www.taylors.edu.my/about/about_landing.php?id=91

Anyway, I would be studying in that massive Greenhouse in 2010! (Migrating from a smaller Greenhouse to an even larger Greenhouse!)


In the future, I shall make my house a Greenhouse too!

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malaysia has a lot of green buildings than most people think. it's just that it never been made popular. owh who am i kidding? there's nothing popular about architecture in malaysia. ask people to name one famous architect in malaysia, i bet not many can do it biggrin.gif.

to put it simply, alot of resorts and hotels between 3 to 5 star hotels in malaysia are a variation of green architecture. as mentioned earlier, ken yeang's architectures are some of the best green architecture (or bio-climatic architecture as he calls it) in the world. mesiniaga (subang jaya) utilizes a passive system that minimizes energy usage to cool the building. menara UMNO (penang) uses the bernoulli principles to ventilate its interiors, making less use of airconditioning.

there are all sorts of green architecture. some goes for full sustainability, as what most called it as the penultimate pinnacle of green architecture; some goes for good climatic response (like most resorts in malaysia are); some go for low energy usage (which most hirise buildings post 1990 are equipped with) and so on.

malaysian just dont know it bcoz everytime they see a new building, they see politics. to them, the more glorious the building, the more money government spent on it, even if most of it actually are privately funded. ah, who am i kidding? tongue.gif
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My 3 months practical training at TR Hamzah and Yeang made me realize that Malaysian architect is capable to design such hi tech and sustainable building...For sure that Dr. Ken Yeang is an icon in Malaysian architecture field...


Added on February 5, 2008, 3:36 amOne more thing...UIAM is going to take accredetation evaluation this coming May and my batch (current 5th year/final year) will be the benchmark of this coming accredetation. in the other words, our thesis is everything...we're praying really hard that we will success...

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My 3 months practical training at TR Hamzah and Yeang made me realize that Malaysian architect is capable to design such hi tech and sustainable building...For sure that Dr. Ken Yeang is an icon in Malaysian architecture field...


Added on February 5, 2008, 3:36 amOne more thing...UIAM is going to take accredetation evaluation this coming May and my batch (current 5th year/final year) will be the benchmark of this coming accredetation. in the other words, our thesis is everything...we're praying really hard that we will success...
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am i late to join the fun of 2nd new home ?
anyway , it has been a very good experience over here , i was guided by mr.azarimy and Ultracooljustintimberlake from mid-upper six to STPM to taking STPM result to entering LUCT and at last i entered UTM after some tough time facing the interview problem .
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I think that Malaysia has the potiential to develop/design interesting building if they put alot of effort on it....
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My 3 months practical training at TR Hamzah and Yeang made me realize that Malaysian architect is capable to design such hi tech and sustainable building...For sure that Dr. Ken Yeang is an icon in Malaysian architecture field...


Added on February 5, 2008, 3:36 amOne more thing...UIAM is going to take accredetation evaluation this coming May and my batch (current 5th year/final year) will be the benchmark of this coming accredetation. in the other words, our thesis is everything...we're praying really hard that we will success...
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nice topic azarimy. lot of quality information. i have already applied for SENIBINA as my first choice for ipta. Is senibina is what we called architecture in english? i apply for UTM. quite scared bout the first stage interview since i've not well in my drawing. can't even sketch. so, any tips from u guys on how 2 imagine?
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nice topic azarimy. lot of quality information. i have already applied for SENIBINA as my first choice for ipta. Is senibina is what we called architecture in english? i apply for UTM. quite scared bout the first stage interview since i've not well in my drawing. can't even sketch. so, any tips from u guys on how 2 imagine?
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yes, senibina = architecture.

u can find a guide for the interviews here. the guide is based on UTM's interview format, so it's the best guide u can ever find for UTM architecture interview.
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yup. i've already read the info you write before. juz that my hand are like tangan kayu. i have no art talent. dunno how i score in my engineering drawing. i can imagine, but i can't draw. i've practice a lot. stil no improve. any method u guys?
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BTW, in my imagination, the new Taylor's Lakeside Campus really looks like a Futuristic State of the Art Greenhouse. [Heck, it should be one, I can imagine how nice it would be to study Architecture in a Flagship State of the Art Greenhouse!][/color]

http://www.taylors.edu.my/about/about_landing.php?id=91

Anyway, I would be studying in that massive Greenhouse in 2010! (Migrating from a smaller Greenhouse to an even larger Greenhouse!)


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Lol. Is TCPJ a small greenhouse? There are air-con exhausts in the corridors also, know. Every morning we get a fresh blast of hot air as we walk to class. But they integrated these things into the face of the buildings also, seems quite a good idea la. Only weird thing is they are also in the corridors.



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yup. i've already read the info you write before. juz that my hand are like tangan kayu. i have no art talent. dunno how i score in my engineering drawing. i can imagine, but i can't draw. i've practice a lot. stil no improve. any method u guys?
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there are lots of subsets of arts that an architect can benefit from, and drawings are just one of them. a person who can draw can visualize their designs faster. one who is articulate could write or even talk their way to sell their designs. those who can act can convince others that their designs are good. those who can sculpt/model can provide convincing and realistic models of their designs.

if u're good in engineering drawings, no doubt u'll pawn others in technical drawings. it's hard to imagine one who can do technical drawings who cant design. remember, architecture does not rely so much in ur ability to draw as much as ur ability to design. if u cant draw, bring a bunch of lego sets and show off what u can do.
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one more thing. which is better. from what i've read, it is better to take the sarjana muda than diploma.

1.takin diploma in architecture, UTM

or

2.taking sarjana muda sains(architecture), UiTM


Edited: during the interview, can i bring sculpture or a house model made from paper to replace the drawing thingy?

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one more thing. which is better. from what i've read, it is better to take the sarjana muda than diploma.

1.takin diploma in architecture, UTM

or

2.taking sarjana muda sains(architecture), UiTM
Edited: during the interview, can i bring sculpture or a house model made from paper to replace the drawing thingy?
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there's no so called better or not better path. Obviously its better to take degree than diploma, but u may only do so if you hav STPM, apply and manage to get a place at any of da accredited local IPTA. For the rest who dun hav good results and not willing to do STPM, they may go the diploma route. Diploma is 3 yrs after SPM n u'll usually be equipped wif sufficient skills to work after that but may require excellent portfolio and results to enter any IPTA to continue ur degree.
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yup but i'm applying for category A which is for spm leavers. there are 2 course open for architecture. one is diploma. while the other is degree. which is better? which institution provide better facilities , UTM or UiTM?
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in the UTM diploma vs UiTM degree, it practically boils down to where u wanna study. the duration of the course is almost exactly the same.

a. UTM diploma is 3 years after SPM. if u've managed to be in the top 10 of ur batch, u have a good chance of continuing straight to UTM part 2 degree for another 3 years, which means 6 years total. u also have a chance to apply to other schools, but most will require u to take 2 years of part 1 and 2 years of part 2, totalling to 7 years total.

b. UiTM part 1 degree is 4 years after SPM. UiTM degree does not require a pre-u course, bcoz it's already integrated in its 1st year. after finishing part 1 degree, u can continue ur part 2 degree anywhere in UiTM, UTM, UM or USM for another 2 years, totalling to 6 years.

so it's basically almost the same thing, although UiTM does have a significant advantage in available choices. now lets go into the schools itself.

UTM and UiTM are rival schools with almost equal facilities and expertise. probably the only difference is UTM has no race quotas, and the distribution is about 50-50 bumi-non bumi.

location wise, UTM degree school is in skudai. most may see this as a disadvantage, but they're just about an hours drive from singapore. UiTM on the other hand has 2 schools, one in shah alam and the other in sri iskandar (perak). shah alam is considerably close to KL, and the fun parts tend to rub off them fairly easily compared to sri iskandar.

there are other aspects we could compare as well, but the differences are quite subtle. like i said, it boils down to where u wanna be.
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i live in jb. only few minutes ride 2 UTM. which qualification promise better job oppoturnity when graduated? normally architectural company will choose UTM graduate or UiTM? Or is it just the same?

One more thing i curious 2 know. How do we apply for job oversea after we finish study? Coz a father of my friend got paid almost USD25K by working in Dubai. We have 2 look for them or they will look for us?
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i live in jb. only few minutes ride 2 UTM. which qualification promise better job oppoturnity when graduated? normally architectural company will choose UTM graduate or UiTM? Or is it just the same?

One more thing i curious 2 know. How do we apply for job oversea after we finish study? Coz a father of my friend got paid almost USD25K by working in Dubai. We have 2 look for them or they will look for us?
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there's no apparent preference by potential employers between the graduates of UTM, USM, UM and UiTM. these four schools have been certified with part 2, which is the most important thing most employers care about. other than that, some might prefer alumni from their alma mater. meaning if the office is predominantly USM graduates, they will usually prefer USM graduates as well. this is fairly evident in firms with predominantly UiTM students, but not so much in other firms. so to put it simply, the job opportunity is fairly the same.

but u should know that each school has their own specialty and niche area. USM are into management+business practice and housing, UTM is more technical, experimental and environmental and so on. so u should try and find out what u interests u when u start part 1 studies, and focus during part 2.



applying for overseas jobs is fairly simple. u can either:

i. find an agent in malaysia. they'll find the job for u.
ii. contact the firm directly or apply for the job through the internet.
iii. get somebody who have connection with the overseas firm to consider u.

never go to another country using a visitors visa to look and apply for a job, bcoz that's a misuse of visa. when the immigration finds out, u'll never get the work permit.
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tanx azarimy. actlly, bfore u explain about the oversea job, i knew nothing about it. you must be an architect am i right? btw, can u give me an example of firms that provide job for architect. does architect design the whole building or some part of it. i've went 2 ur website. very nice drawing u have. u must be talented in art. do u develop ur art skill while studying architecture or before studying?
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tanx azarimy. actlly, bfore u explain about the oversea job, i knew nothing about it. you must be an architect am i right? btw, can u give me an example of firms that provide job for architect. does architect design the whole building or some part of it. i've went 2 ur website. very nice drawing u have. u must be talented in art. do u develop ur art skill while studying architecture or before studying?
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My...aren't you the inquisitive one. I would like to welcome you to LYN Architecture thread...everybody, a round of applause rclxms.gif thumbup.gif rclxms.gif rclxm9.gif icon_idea.gif rclxms.gif notworthy.gif laugh.gif rclxms.gif tongue.gif biggrin.gif rclxms.gif thumbup.gif rclxm9.gif rclxms.gif

Now...let's see your questions.
1. I think he's a lecturer from UTM. He'll have more to answer about this.
2. Examples? Hmm, GDP, Veritas, Garis, Majubina, HKAS, TR Hamzah & Yeang, etc.
3. Most architects design the whole building. Some even design the furnitures and appliances to go with the building as well. Nouvel is an example.
4. Architects are usually skilled with arts BEFORE they take architecture...it's one of their passion and that's why they end up pursuing architecture. And architects always develop, refine, improve, etc. their skills till they die or something.
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tanx. maybe can ask him more bout architecture since i apply for utm diploma.
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tanx. maybe can ask him more bout architecture since i apply for utm diploma.
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Hmm...UTM diploma? I'm not sure of the current structure of UTM Architecture syllabus. xtracooljustin should be able to enlight you on that since he's from UTM. But my suggestion is, if you can't get straight into UTM degree, it's best that you go straight into matriculation or A-Levels, and then take the architecture degree from whichever University you prefer. Maticulation and A-Levels are only 1 year.

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should i go for UitM degree?
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Dunno. Got a few friends from there, seems like a great place to be. But if you are not a Malay or Bumi, chances are very slim (none if I understand correctly).
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i'm a malay. actlly prefer somewhere where mixing happen since meeting more people with more idea
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haha. in dilemma right now. bcoz UiTM pilah come 2 my school 2 use lab for experiment. afraid they dun have good facilities
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haha. in dilemma right now. bcoz UiTM pilah come 2 my school 2 use lab for experiment.  afraid they dun have good facilities
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can i choose which uitm 2 study after i success interview?
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tanx azarimy. actlly, bfore u explain about the oversea job, i knew nothing about it. you must be an architect am i right? btw, can u give me an example of firms that provide job for architect. does architect design the whole building or some part of it. i've went 2 ur website. very nice drawing u have. u must be talented in art. do u develop ur art skill while studying architecture or before studying?
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i. i'm a lecturer attached to UTM and not a full time architect. but i do some freelance works with a couple of firms like ALMA architect in JB and AKB in KL (PM saari of UM is attached there too). but currently i'm on study leave in sheffield, UK.

ii. there are a couple of firms that manages job vacancies internationally. u can just google them straight. no, i'm not gonna do that for u, bcoz it's BLOODY easy to find them. wink.gif

iii. the architect's job has been explained by clayclws as well as in the description in the 1st post.

iv. i've had a profound interest in arts since pre-school, but only seriously developed in in form 4. i did apply for art & design in UiTM which was my first choice, but was rejected bcoz i was over qualified (mainly bcoz i'm from pure science stream). long story short, i ended up in UTM, which i further developed my skills under tutorship from a fine art lecturer who taught design there. towards end of my architecture studies i joined up with a couple of friends from UiTM who started the Urban Comics magazine as a part time artist.

anyways, art skills are not directly taught in architecture, but it runs parallel to studying. meaning, u could spend time to develop art skills, ur friend might go in 3D modelling, others probably into photography and so on. so it's totally up to u when and how u wanna develop ur art skills.


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tanx. maybe can ask him more bout architecture since i apply for utm diploma.
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ive just applied for utm diploma. but my father insists me to take UiTM degree now in dilemma. I just dun know which provide better study. In terms:

1. Facilities provided

2. cost<---how much i will spend if i take architecture until part2 degree in UTM and UiTM?

3. Which is better in teaching. UTM or UiTM?

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ive just applied for utm diploma. but my father insists me to take UiTM degree now in dilemma. I just dun know which provide better study. In terms:

1. Facilities provided

2. cost<---how much i will spend if i take architecture until part2 degree in UTM and UiTM?

3. Which is better in teaching. UTM or UiTM?
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1. if we're talking about UTM diploma in KL, then i'd have to say UiTM's facilities are more complete. UTM KL currently about to undergo a massive upgrade, so if u join in now, u will be studying in a construction site. if u could wait a year or two, UTM KL would have one of the most advanced facilities compared to other universities.

2. people just dont ask about fees in IPTAs, bcoz it's feeble compared to IPTS. what is RM700 per semester compared to RM9000-RM15000 per semester?

3. there's no real gauge to differentiate this. not many people have studied in both universities in their life time. if u ask UiTM students, they're very proud of their school that if u ask them to compare with anything, they'd put their school first biggrin.gif.
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i'm interested in UTM skudai. the big one. does it have better facilities than UiTM KL? Do UTM skudai provide architecture studies? will they sent me to UTM branch instead of the HQ in skudai?

Edited: seems i have 2 studi in kl. i'll choose UiTM.

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i'm interested in UTM skudai. the big one. does it have better facilities than UiTM KL? Do UTM skudai provide architecture studies? will they sent me to UTM branch instead of the HQ in skudai?

Edited: seems i have 2 studi in kl. i'll choose UiTM.
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if u're taking diploma, u'll go to UTM KL. UTM skudai is the degree and grad school of architecture (up to PhD). i havent been to UiTM shah alam for quite some time, i'm not sure about the facilities since 3 years ago. last i check UiTM and UTM has more or less the same facilities.
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huhu. i'm curious about the utm kl. do i have 2 move out after 1st year?
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which petter in architecture course um or utm ? and what is each sckool specialized in ? .

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huhu. i'm curious about the utm kl. do i have 2 move out after 1st year?
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move out of the college? i'm not sure, but looking at how small the accommodation and the entire campus is, it might be so. however, it's not that hard to find accommodations around the campus.

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which petter in architecture course um or utm ? and what is each sckool specialized in ? .
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ok here's the deal. i'm from UTM. i do believe that UTM is the best, but anyone can point out the biasness of that statement. and because of no real gauge or benchmark in ranking architecture schools exists in malaysia, i dont see the point of anyone comparing the 4 leading schools - UTM, UM, UiTM and USM. u can ask UTM students, and they'll say UTM is better. if u ask UM, UM will say they're better and so on. however, at the moment we do compare ourselves by architectural competitions. like i said, it's not a real gauge, but it gives u an idea.
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that's the prob. bcoz house in kl will cost a bomb. even if share. anyway. i will go for UTM. normally, how many student per batch?

1.hehe. can you recommend UTM 2 do the diploma architecture in skudai? haha juz kidding

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UTM diploma in KL takes about 30 students per batch, while UTM degree in skudai takes about 50 per batch.

rent rates in KL is comparable to JB to be honest. and the food costs almost the same too.

i. actually, before 2005 the diploma school is conducted in JB. but the recent expansion of the school caused the integrated school to be split into two schools - the diploma goes to KL, and degree stays in skudai. so u're just born a few years too late tongue.gif
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normally, how many people will be called for the interview? before they are selected? if i fail the interview, can i go for another course in ipta?

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this has been discussed in point 1.6 in the architecture FAQs. refer to first page. however to further elaborate:

usually a school will call between 100 to 200 students for the interview, and they will sort out the top students that complies to the schools' criteria. meaning about 1 out of 4 of those interviewed will get in.

the interview process is part of the UPU selection process. meaning u may be called for an interview by 3 different schools if u applied for them in the UPU application form. if u've applied for other courses in the UPU list, u still have a fair chance to go to other course. but remember, only one course will be offered to u by UPU, according to ur order of preference in the list.

for example, u applied 5 courses:

i. architecture in UTM
ii. architecture in UM
iii. architecture in UiTM
iv. civil engineering in UPM
v. town planning in USM

architecture and town planning may conduct interviews, while civil does not. so u might be called to 3 or 4 interviews. after the interviews were done, each school will submit their decision to UPU. UPU will look into the results they have.

i. if UTM offers u a place, u will not get offers from others despite they called u for an interview and passed.
ii. if UTM rejects, they'll check 2nd choice = UM. if UM offers u a place, u will not get offers from others.
iii. this process goes on until all choices have been exhausted.
iv. if all choices have been exhausted, and u still not offered a place, UPU will check ur overall results. if u have above average results, UPU will opt to offer u a place to any courses that has an opening or availability.
v. this is usually outside ur choice, most of the time these are the unpopular choices. the reason for doing this is that UPU does not wanna waste potential students and just give any course available. u can take it if u want, and if u reject it doesnt matter much.


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tanx. haha. very high competition. i choose utm architecture as 1st choice, followed by mechanical, aeronautic, and mechatronic. will try my best. tanx a lot azarimy. does it exceed rm10k for studying until part2 degree? hehe. since u work in utm i might be bugging u for sum teaching when i do my degree there. i want 2 ask ur own opinion. does u draw plan or etc everyday when u're working?
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I want to contact you if thats possible by email or any other mean .

and thank u again
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guess what. i just search architect job using jobseeker. architect are in demand. haha. bright future. there's a job offering in mauritius 2.

Does it exceed rm10k for studying until part2 degree? hehe. since u work in utm i might be bugging u for sum teaching when i do my degree there. i want 2 ask ur own opinion. does u draw plan or etc everyday when u're working?

do UiTM provide accomodation till the end of my study?

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guess what. i just search architect job using jobseeker. architect are in demand. haha. bright future. there's a job offering in mauritius 2.

Does it exceed rm10k for studying until part2 degree? hehe. since u work in utm i might be bugging u for sum teaching when i do my degree there. i want 2 ask ur own opinion. does u draw plan or etc everyday when u're working?

do UiTM provide accomodation till the end of my study?
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the fees will exceed RM10k for a 5 year study. include expenses, accommodation and study-related expenditures, studying in IPTA will easily reach RM20k. remember that architecture is one of the courses that requires a lot of money throughout studies, for computing, printing, photocopying, model-making, plotting, reproduction etc.

u're welcome to bug me in UTM, regardless if u study in UTM or not, as long as u're studying architecture.

i'm not sure if UiTM provides full accommodation, but according to some of my friends, most of them prefers to stay outside around shah alam. more flexibility, independent living and ability to cook their own food (which seriously is cheaper than the cheapest hawkers). but this does not mean they were forced to stay outside. i believe each IPTA in malaysia can provide full accommodations to atleast 60% of its student population. priority is definitely given to those who're active in co-curricular activities. but i can say for sure that UTM skudai are currently housing 100% of its students in campus, including postgraduate families. and they even provide housing for staff bujang. yes, UTM skudai has one of the largest campus in malaysia, second only to UPM.

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haha. wow. normally, job seeker will search for worker with experience. only few offer for fresh grads. how can u work for experience when they only want experience worker.
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haha. wow. normally, job seeker will search for worker with experience. only few offer for fresh grads. how can u work for experience when they only want experience worker.
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there are also firms that look for fresh graduates. but most of the time most graduates use the practical training/year out period to present themselves to a firm for about 6 months. students look at practical training as a way to gain professional experience before working in the real world, but the employers see it as a 6 months long interview wink.gif. the best way is to show ur best in that 6 months, and before u finish, try and convince the boss to offer u a job by the time u graduate. alot of my friends did this and so did i. my boss in AKB was pretty disappointed when i chose the academic line coz at that time AKB was about to open a branch in bosnia herzegovina, and i was one of the staff he planned to spearhead the firm there. so practical training is not just some work u need to do, it has its benefits that most students never realized.

however, some students dont realize that firms \"talk\". for example, if u do shitty job in firm A during ur 6 months practical, the boss might one way or another talk to boss in firm B and C. so when u wanna apply for a job at firm B or C, they wont take u in bcoz of what u did in firm A.

bottom line is, there are lots of jobs out there. firms are just not that willing to spend time for 6 months to a year just to realize that u are incapable of doing certain jobs.
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haha. wow. normally, job seeker will search for worker with experience. only few offer for fresh grads. how can u work for experience when they only want experience worker.
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In this line of work? You kidding? Go to any of the schools, and you'll see lots of architectural firm putting up advertisement to get fresh grads to join them. Seriously. Come to UM alone and there are already about 10. Plus, there are architects who do part time here, or give crits or interim, etc. They constantly look for people o join them. Mouth to mouth advertisement through lecturers and seniors are also aplenty.
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Yeah...at my school also (IIUM) there are some architecture firms that looking for fresh graduate...even, during portfolio day, there are several prominent architects comes and observing our works, they offer some of the best students to work with them...For example, some of my senior joined Hijas as Ar. Hijas himself offer them work...(after graduate, don't forget to send ur resume to my office...he said)
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what do you all think about architecture in the next 6-10 years? still worth 2 study architect?
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In my opinion...still worth...i received BA (Berita Akitek, from PAM, u got it for free if u're a member)...they said that the government need 4700 architects in 2015 where we have to produce 383 architects per year. Currently, we only produce 148 archtects per year. The ratio is 1:8000 (architect:population)...

That's only the figure for architect, while the other technical staffs like draughtman, technical assistant and others which are related to the architectural field also have the ratio 1:5 (architect:technical support staffs).


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as an academic, i'll say: malaysia will continuously need architects until it becomes a fully developed nation. and even after that, private sector will thrive and will continuously demand architects. this is thanks to the architecture legislation that requires construction projects to be endorsed by architects. even if it is just a simple house renovation.

as an architect, i'll say: no, malaysia is dying. u should go find job in some other sector. (the lesser architects out there, the more jobs for me laugh.gif)

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wow azarimy. you're so "nice". is it true that architect is dying in malaysia or you were just kidding?
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as an academic, i'll say: malaysia will continuously need architects until it becomes a fully developed nation. and even after that, private sector will thrive and will continuously demand architects. this is thanks to the architecture legislation that requires construction projects to be endorsed by architects. even if it is just a simple house renovation.

as an architect, i'll say: no, malaysia is dying. u should go find job in some other sector. (the lesser architects out there, the more jobs for me laugh.gif)
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well. i was thinking about taking asasi alam bina at UM.

1.how long is the duration? 6 or 7 year. already read ur guide. asasi take 2 year or 1 year?

2.what is the difference with diploma?

3.accomodation in UM. can i stay there till i finish degree?

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well. i was thinking about taking asasi alam bina at UM.

1.how long is the duration? 6 or 7 year. already read ur guide. asasi take 2 year or 1 year?

2.what is the difference with diploma?

3.accomodation in UM. can i stay there till i finish degree?
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1. asasi alam bina is 1 year if i recall correctly. after that it's another 5 years (3+2) for part 1 and part 2 degrees.

2. asasi alam bina is a foundation programme. it sets out to bridge students' knowledge and understanding between O-levels/SPM and a degree course, practically what any pre-u courses do technically. pre-U does not instill any appliable or practical knowledge of the profession. it just introduces what's what, who's who, which's which etc.

diploma on the other is a professional qualification that allows u to work in the industry. bottom line is, u DONT stop at asasi alam bina. it's like taking lesen L but didnt get a full license.

3. i have no idea. ask clayclws.
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azarimy. from ur statement above, do u mean it that malaysia is dying or you juz being evil ?
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i dun know. but i think you're juz joking rite? hehe. based on all the answers, i think they will still demand architect after 6-7 years.
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well. i was thinking about taking asasi alam bina at UM.

1.how long is the duration? 6 or 7 year. already read ur guide. asasi take 2 year or 1 year?

2.what is the difference with diploma?

3.accomodation in UM. can i stay there till i finish degree?
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Hmm, most people PM me about this. Well, accomodation (called Residential College or RC) is provided for the 1st year (and so is food). So you don't need to worry about it once you enter the Uni. But to continue on for 2nd and 3rd year, you'll need to be active within the RC. Currently there are 13RCs: 1st until 12th RC plus RC Sec17. How active you are will depend on the RC. If you come into UM, you'll most likely be placed at 1st, 2nd and 6th RC, all of which, requires very active people to continue staying. Most architectural undergraduates are too busy to bother about RC activities, and thus, most of them opt out of RC after the first year. Chinese do that mostly due to the food...and since you are a Malay, I don't think you'll have a problem with the food. Also, you must pay for accomodation AND food for those 3 RCs, as far as I know. Also, you shouldn't worry about accomodation and stuffs like that. You'll get along easily and find your own place to stay in no time smile.gif Oh, and they consider 4th year (beginning of Part 2) as 1st year as well, so you get another year of accomodation, of which, you can decline, if you already have a place to stay. You can't decline 1st year Part 1 though.
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right now am very confused. Have 3 choices. I need ur guys opinion.

1. go for utm diploma <--my father don't recommend this bcoz he afraid that i won't continue my degree after finish study.

2. go for Uitm degree <-- i'm curious about UiTM bcoz in kuala pilah, the Uitm there have to come 2 my school 2 use the school lab. maybe lack of facilities. and will employer look at their grads?

3. take the asasi alam bina at UM <--don't know much bout this. need more source.heh. dun have to go through interview.

im in dilemma . help me. i need ur guys opinion on which course should i choose.
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right now am very confused. Have 3 choices. I need ur guys opinion.

1. go for utm diploma  <--my father don't recommend this bcoz he afraid that i won't continue my degree after finish study.

2. go for Uitm degree <-- i'm curious about UiTM bcoz in kuala pilah, the Uitm there have to come 2 my school 2 use the school lab. maybe lack of facilities. and will employer look at their grads?

3. take the asasi alam bina at UM <--don't know much bout this. need more source.heh. dun have to go through interview.

im in dilemma . help me. i need ur guys opinion on which course should i choose.
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1. yes, that is the tendency of most graduates from any diploma programme. u will only continue straight to degree IF u score ur diploma, mainly in the top 20%. if u couldnt, u're recommended to gain 1 or 2 years experience working in related field. this is the requirement of the profession as well as the university. the downside is students who've started earning usually dont wanna study anymore.

2. there are only 2 schools of architecture in UiTM, one is in shah alam, the other in sri iskandar. both have complete facilities, and even more that u can say about any IPTS offering architecture in malaysia. not sure what's going on with UiTM kuala pilah though. it could probably that ur school have a deal with UiTM where the school lets the university use its facilities while the school gain certain things from them.

3. asasi alam bina is a foundation course. look at UIA, UCSI and limkokwing, they have foundations too. UTM used to have its alam bina foundation too, but we scrapped it bcoz it consumed too much resources and some other technical issues.

also, UM does not conduct interviews for any of its architecture courses. this is a prerogative of the ministry. it means that only the top academic achievers will ever find their way into architecture in UM. interview system practiced by other IPTAs allows lower achievers with great talent to join the course.
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tanx azarimy. UiTM pilah come 2 my school bcoz they dun have their own lab. so i'll take UiTM if my score isn't good and will take UM if i score good. i'll inform u my spm rsult. that way. u can give better opinion.

right now am practicing my art. arghh. anybody have a guide on how to draw better. i can make sum sketches. but it suck.
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QUOTE(destroyer @ Feb 11 2008, 12:27 PM)
tanx azarimy. UiTM pilah come 2 my school bcoz they dun have their own lab.  so i'll take UiTM if my score isn't good and will take UM if i score good. i'll inform u my spm rsult. that way. u can give better opinion.

right now am practicing my art. arghh. anybody have a guide on how to draw better. i can make sum sketches. but it suck.
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i dont think u get how uitm orgazination is. each university caters for specific purposes and function indendently. UiTM kuala pilah is the newest branch which started in 1999, and it is not a permanent campus. this explains why they dont have enough facilities yet. to provide a permanent branch, u need to have the students and staffs ready to go. so UiTM KP is opened to pave way for the bigger, permanent UiTM branch in negeri sembilan.

dont use UiTM KP as a gauge for how big UiTM campuses are. especially not UiTM shah alam. it is the only university in malaysia that has 3 satellite campuses biggrin.gif.
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i've got some questions here...

as for private universities or colleges such as LUCT, Taylor, Alfa, UCSI.. etc...
1. what are the differences between them?
2. which is the best to study architecture in malaysia? (private unis and colls only)
3. what is the competitive between them?
4. is there any difference, after completing part 1 part 2 from these private unis and colls?
5. which one will you suggest?
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lonelyjay,

1. there's not much difference, other than slightly different structure of learning, level of certificate, location and environment of studies, facilities and resources and probably some difference in approach to design focus. the only big difference might be the fees and different lecturers.

2. personally, taylor's and UCSI is on top of my list. but i must stress that the difference between the private schools are minute. it boils down to which path u wanna take (refer to page 1).

3. WHAT?

4. since NONE of them are accredited with part 1 or part 2, then no, there's no difference. but it's a huge difference when u compare them with accredited IPTAs.

5. refer to page 1. i will only suggest a school that will eventually award u with a part 2. which means u should opt for overseas studies eventually according to each university's partner/twinning programme.
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lonelyjay,

1. there's not much difference, other than slightly different structure of learning, level of certificate, location and environment of studies, facilities and resources and probably some difference in approach to design focus. the only big difference might be the fees and different lecturers.

2. personally, taylor's and UCSI is on top of my list. but i must stress that the difference between the private schools are minute. it boils down to which path u wanna take (refer to page 1).

3. WHAT?

4. since NONE of them are accredited with part 1 or part 2, then no, there's no difference. but it's a huge difference when u compare them with accredited IPTAs.

5. refer to page 1. i will only suggest a school that will eventually award u with a part 2. which means u should opt for overseas studies eventually according to each university's partner/twinning programme.
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thanks for the info..
but i heard that UCSI doesn't have any australia or UK partnership rite.?
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thanks for the info..
but i heard that UCSI doesn't have any australia or UK partnership rite.?
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Well well well, I just came back from Singapore. smile.gif

I could not find for those four books in Borders, Orchard Road. Nevertheless, my time at the Borders bookstore was well spend in the Architecture section, looking through the various books about Architecture. smile.gif

The four books that I was looking for are as follows;

Ecological Architecture - A Critical History by James Steele.

Form, Space and Order - By Francis D.K. Ching.

Design Drawing - By Francis D.K. Ching.

Building Construction Illustrated - By Francis D.K. Ching.

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I came across a book entitled "Architecture Drawing" that was highly technical. I could see Geometry and probably even Trigonometry being used in the technical/working drawings. (The book was not by Francis D.K. Ching which I was recommended to get though...)

I came across some books about Green Architecture and Sustainable Designs that were pretty interesting.

I was especially indulged in a book concerning about the designs of the prominent buildings in Malaysia, such as those buildings in Putrajaya for example. (There is also where I got to know "Hijas Casturi"! biggrin.gif) The title of the book is "Metal, Glass, & Concrete" if I am not mistaken. (I was especially looking at the "Steel & Glass" chapter! biggrin.gif)

Sadly, I came back empty handed. sad.gif

It looks like I have to go to the UM bookstore and search for those books, and perhaps the MPH bookstore for the book about Ecological Architecture.

Regards.


Added on February 14, 2008, 7:23 pmBTW, how does the Architecture program in local universities such as UM or UTM compare to the full Architecture program in private universities such as Taylors or Limkokwing; bringing into account the final years oversea?

{For my case, I would be taking Taylor's 3 + 1 + 2 route that would eventually lead me to the University of Melbourne for my Part I & Part II Architectural Degrees/Masters; totaling up to six full years of Architecture studies.}

I would like to know how will this compare to the full Architecture program in the local universities. (Comparing the quality of education, and assuming that money is not a factor.)

Regards.

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I would like to find out if arts, technical drawing etc are really important in applying for ipta as there is a note stating students who take up these subjects for stpm/spm will be given priority. Are there many who take up these subjects?

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QUOTE(Benjamin911 @ Feb 14 2008, 10:37 AM)
BTW, how does the Architecture program in local universities such as UM or UTM compare to the full Architecture program in private universities such as Taylors or Limkokwing; bringing into account the final years oversea?

{For my case, I would be taking Taylor's 3 + 1 + 2 route that would eventually lead me to the University of Melbourne for my Part I & Part II Architectural Degrees/Masters; totaling up to six full years of Architecture studies.}

I would like to know how will this compare to the full Architecture program in the local universities. (Comparing the quality of education, and assuming that money is not a factor.)

Regards.

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i'm not sure how to really compare the two. in a way, the path is quite different, but in the end it goes on to the same thing: becoming an architect.

society have been trying to understand about the architecture profession, and found it very confusing. architects have specializations, yet they have a very open and broad degree which all architects subscribe to. sometimes the paths are straight, sometimes its intertwining, yet everything will eventually make one an architect. just look at medicine, after their MD, they start specializing. after that they'll become a proper doctor. MD alone is not enough.

architects specialize at the lower levels, but eventually lead up to a single degree of architecture that makes u an architect. but the path taken is very different. if u join UTM u'll go into a very technical yet theoretical approach. if u join UM it'll be very practical yet progressive approach. so does any other school. but whatever whichever path u take, u'll end up as an architect.

the only problem with twinning programmes is that, it's very hard for a third part like LAN or LAM to accredit it bcoz it is a very "closed-door" learning. it's a very taylors-melbourne business, and others dont get to mess into that. hence LAN and LAM took the easier solution: to NOT accredit that path. what they do is to accredit the students AFTER they finished part 2, come back and sit for the exams. easier. no need for automatic accreditations.

but this also means there's no third party guarantee that ur path is "safe". if melbourne suddenly say "no, we dont wanna be partners anymore with taylor's", then u're screwed. but that dont happen too often, but it did happen when UTM stopped accrediting a college some year ago bcoz the failure of the college to maintain the high standards of UTM's architecture diploma.

hey, dont worry about it. whichever path u take, as long as u end up with an accredited part 2 architecture degree, it's fine by me.


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I would like to find out if arts, technical drawing etc are really important in applying for ipta as there is a note stating students who take up these subjects for stpm/spm will be given priority. Are there many who take up these subjects?

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there are two issues here:

i. are art skills important to studying architecture?
ii. are art subjects important to apply for architecture?

it does seem u're focusing on the 2nd point, so lets talk about that. yes, those with basics in art subjects (including all sorts of technical/engineering drawings) will be given priorities. but that does not mean those without them will not be given priorities at all. that's why the interview is there. it serves to gauge at what level each of the candidate is at that moment. alot of candidates without art background actually manage to get in simply bcoz of superior academic background, and usually they'll pick up their art skills later on in architecture. those who have both superior academic background AND art skills will definitely be given priority. u dont get priority on art skills alone. architecture has more science in it that most people believe.

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I really need some help here. Does anyone know how does a waterfall glass wall's sectioned part (that shows the internal structure and functioning, including the hose/pipe that deliver the water from the bottom to the top) look like? The one you normally see in houses or hotels with a transparent glass wall and water cascading down all over it. I need some detaillings on it like the structure, normal measurements etc. I've been searching all over the web but I can't seem to find a diagram illustrating it in detail. icon_question.gif sad.gif

*** i'll appreciate ur help if u could draw me a detailed illustration with the basic terms, dimensions etc.

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Azarimy, thanks a lot.

BTW, regarding my future difficulty of getting a Part III accreditation from LAM or PAM if I got my Part I & Part II Architectural Degrees from the University of Melbourne, will I be able to come back and practice as a Part III Architect later on (in Malaysia) after I have obtain the Part III Architect status from Melbourne/Australia?

I guess the answer will be a no and I will just have to remain back in Australia and practice as a Part III Architect there? (Assuming that the Part III exam in Malaysia is going to be a very hard one; that it would not be worth the effort to come all the way back for it and take the risk of failing it, and then go all the way back to Melbourne/Australia again if I did not pass the Part III exam in Malaysia.)

It looks like the best & safest thing for me to do will be to continue working as an Architect in Australia after I have finished my Architecture studies in Melbourne. (Am I right?) Instead of coming back to work in Malaysia after I have finished my Part II and realize that I could not get my Part III after working the years for it.

Or even worse;

Not being able to practice as a Part III Architect in Malaysia even after passing the Part III exam.

Because I am not accredited with Part III even after having the Part III exam?


Added on February 16, 2008, 2:56 pmBTW, mind I ask why do you place Taylors & UCSI on the top of your list?

What happened to Limkokwing? biggrin.gif

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2. personally, taylor's and UCSI is on top of my list.
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europology, i dont have the details at the moment. i've seen the construction drawings for that. the construction is simple enough, but the mechanism for the water distribution differs from manufacturer to manufacturer. most of the time architects just allocate a space big enough for the installation of the distributor.

and yes, not all distributors has a pump on top of the glass wall. most of it installed the pumps at the bottom or hidden somewhere that wont be noisy. water is then pumped from bottom to the upper part of the wall for silent distribution.

ben,

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BTW, regarding my future difficulty of getting a Part III accreditation from LAM or PAM if I got my Part I & Part II Architectural Degrees from the University of Melbourne, will I be able to come back and practice as a Part III Architect later on (in Malaysia) after I have obtain the Part III Architect status from Melbourne/Australia?


although part 2 is interchangeable cross countries of practice, part 3 is an exclusive license. holding a RIBA/RAIA part 3 in australia doesnt give u exclusive rights to practice in malaysia and vise versa. what people with RIBA part 3 usually do is attach themselves with a LAM part 3 holder an practice in malaysia until they sat for their own LAM part 3.

RIBA part 3 and LAM part 3 is about equally hard.

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Or even worse;

Not being able to practice as a Part III Architect in Malaysia even after passing the Part III exam.

Because I am not accredited with Part III even after having the Part III exam?


what?

i think u should start to specify which part 3 u're talking about. we have LAM, RIBA and RAIA. part 3.

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BTW, mind I ask why do you place Taylors & UCSI on the top of your list?

What happened to Limkokwing? biggrin.gif


UTM has alot of collaboration with taylor's, and we can see that despite being am unaccredited new school, taylor's are quite capable in producing good sub-part 1 graduates, while providing a decent facilities and teaching expertise. the same can be said to UCSI.

LKW however is equally good, but being located in cyberjaya which is quite far away from the hectic areas of architectural concentrations, they become too secluded for my own preference. the group of students become less diverse: u get a massive amount of rich students who're either brats or snobs. the philosophy of the school that the "students are the clients" even makes this worse.

but this is my personal opinion.


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Azarimy, I am confused...

After I have finished the entire Taylor's program (Including the Melbourne part) in the future, I would already "Logically" be awarded with the Part I and Part II Architecture degrees from the University of Melbourne. (This definitely cannot be wrong now.)

Then;

Assuming that I come back to Malaysia later on and work for the Part III, I would be having great difficulty in obtaining the Part III? (Because PAM/LAM would be reluctant to give Part III to Twining students?)

Or;

I would not be having a problem in getting a Part III later on, but I would be having great difficulty in getting accredited for Part III? (Because LAM/PAM does not accredit Twining students?)

Or, I would be having great difficulty in obtaining both Part III, and getting accredited for Part III by LAM/PAM in the future?

Please help me, I am confused.

I am only worried about my future practicing as an Architect in Malaysia. (It has got nothing to do with RIBA or Melbourne, or any of the other countries with their respective Parts.) I know I would not be having any problem in getting fully accredited and recognized Part I, Part II, & Part III Architectural degrees in Australia; since I would logically be lead to those destinations by the university. However, I may want to come back and practice in Malaysia later on...(Which may lead me to those problems with LAM and PAM...)

Regards.

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ben, obtaining RIBA part 2 through taylor's>melbourne>melbourne does not put u at any disadvantage when sitting part 3. u may have to sit for LAM part 2 exam if LAM is not satisfied with ur RIBA part 2 portfolio. yes, holding a RIBA does not automatically gets u LAM, u will be interviewed during LAM part 2 registration.

this is perhaps the main issue may arise. but worse comes to worse, u will need to sit for LAM part 1 exam, and then LAM part 2 exam, before u can start ur part 3. it shouldnt be hard, u dont need to study hard for those exams, just a couple of assignments.

so, assuming u've completed ur LAM Part 2 successfully, u can start ur part 3 qualifications. remember that u cant start LAM part 3 with RIBA part 2. so ur fear of being discriminated bcoz of not having an LAM unaccredited degree/path does is moot. u simply CANT take LAM part 3 without LAM part 2 wink.gif.

also: passing LAM part 3 exam means u're accredited with LAM part 3. it's the same thing with any LAM exams. if u pass the exam, no one's gonna dispute ur accreditations wink.gif.
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ben, obtaining RIBA part 2 through taylor's>melbourne>melbourne does not put u at any disadvantage when sitting part 3. u may have to sit for LAM part 2 exam if LAM is not satisfied with ur RIBA part 2 portfolio. yes, holding a RIBA does not automatically gets u LAM, u will be interviewed during LAM part 2 registration.

this is perhaps the main issue may arise. but worse comes to worse, u will need to sit for LAM part 1 exam, and then LAM part 2 exam, before u can start ur part 3. it shouldnt be hard, u dont need to study hard for those exams, just a couple of assignments.

so, assuming u've completed ur LAM Part 2 successfully, u can start ur part 3 qualifications. remember that u cant start LAM part 3 with RIBA part 2. so ur fear of being discriminated bcoz of not having an LAM unaccredited degree/path does is moot. u simply CANT take LAM part 3 without LAM part 2 wink.gif.

also: passing LAM part 3 exam means u're accredited with LAM part 3. it's the same thing with any LAM exams. if u pass the exam, no one's gonna dispute ur accreditations wink.gif.
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So to simply put;

As long as I want to come back in the future and practice Architecture in Malaysia (even after already having the RIBA Part I, Part II, & Part III from the University of Melbourne & from the working experience in Australia), I would STILL have to sit for the LAM/PAM Part I, Part II, and Part III exams in order to practice Architecture back in Malaysia LEGALLY. (Am I correct?)

So, the only problem back in Malaysia is that I would just have to sit for the LAM/PAM Part I, Part II, & Part III exams that's all. (Am I right?)

Mann..., I would seriously need to be desperate enough to practice Architecture in Malaysia later on to see the need for myself to go through all of those trouble in the future! biggrin.gif (Depending on the situation though...If the Architecture job prospect is better in Malaysia comparing to Australia during that Conundrum period of mine; why would I not choose the path to come back and practice?)

Nevertheless, I know of students who went overseas for their final years of education and never came back...nor even have any plans of returning...(Sometimes, I really wonder what is the fantastic factor in those oversea countries that it can make those people don't want to come back...)

For my case, only time would tell...Right now, it is still too early for me to assume that I would end up being like those oversea bound students...

Regards.

(Then on the other hand, there is also those people who are too local, or too Malaysia orientated...My uncle, who is a pure Chinese, is one such living example today. He studied in University Malaya, practiced in the government sector, married a Malay Wife, converted to Islam, shifted to the Kampung, and somewhat practiced the Malay culture as well. biggrin.gif (He is now a Bumiputra and a lecturer of UM.) biggrin.gif) Well, he never went overseas for his education. (Everything, he did it locally in the government universities.)

I believe the Malaysian government really desires the rest of us to be like him; with that level of Patriotism. wink.gif (Joking.)

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QUOTE(Benjamin911 @ Feb 17 2008, 11:58 PM)
As long as I want to come back in the future and practice Architecture in Malaysia (even after already having the RIBA Part I, Part II, & Part III from the University of Melbourne & from the working experience in Australia), I would STILL have to sit for the LAM/PAM Part I, Part II, and Part III exams in order to practice Architecture back in Malaysia LEGALLY. (Am I correct?)

So, the only problem back in Malaysia is that I would just have to sit for the LAM/PAM Part I, Part II, & Part III exams that's all. (Am I right?)

Mann..., I would seriously need to be desperate enough to practice Architecture in Malaysia later on to see the need for myself to go through all of those trouble in the future! biggrin.gif (Depending on the situation though...If the Architecture job prospect is better in Malaysia comparing to Australia during that Conundrum period of mine; why would I not choose the path to come back and practice?)

Nevertheless, I know of students who went overseas for their final years of education and never came back...nor even have any plans of returning...(Sometimes, I really wonder what is the fantastic factor in those oversea countries that it can make those people don't want to come back...)
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Sigh...Let's get this straight...

PART 1 & 2...it doesn't matter where you get them. Say, if you get Part 1 & 2 from Melbourne U, or Curtin U, or AA or wherever...as long as PAM recognizes it, you are accredited with PART 1 & 2 PAM. Note that usually more than an institute would recognize that qualification. RAIA (Royal Australian Institute of Architects) would recognize Melbourne U as well. So would RIBA (Royal British Institute of Architects). It has NOTHING to do with PART 3. It merely means you are qualified for PART 1 & 2 in Australia, Malaysia and Britain (and whichever country's institute of architects that accredited Melbourne U). You DO NOT need to sit for PART 1 & 2 exams within Malaysia or Australia or Britain (and whichever country's institute of architects that accredited Melbourne U).

Note that, usually, when a country's institute accredit that particular Uni for PART 1 & 2, that country's board would do the same as well. In Malaysia's case, LAM. BUT THAT IS NOT ALWAYS THE CASE. Just usually. Check their website for a list of accreditted schools. Melbourne U is accreditted by LAM & PAM. So far, my bosses had told me that a graduate from universities that LAM accredits would not have any problem sitting for LAM Part 3.

Part 3 is different. Institute can do nothing on Part 3. Only the Board, in Malaysia's case, LAM, would be the one to register you as a Professional Architect. And you can only get Part 3 by sitting for exams within that particular country. Say for example, you get Part 1 & 2 in Melbourne U, you can sit for Part 3 exams in Australia and Malaysia (not sure about Britain). Note that if you are not Malaysian, you wouldn't be able to sit for exam within Malaysia because of our dasar-tutup-pintu. That is not the case in Australia and Britain - if I'm not mistaken. Azarimy, correct me if I'm wrong.

Malaysia
LAM - The board that sets the rule, etc. and the one that you need to register with...the governing body. You need to register to practice in Malaysia...
PAM - It's just an institute...just like Persatuan Bulan Sabit Merah...just that it is for Architects. You need to be an undergraduate in an accredited or recognized school (anywhere in the world as long as PAM accredits/recognizes), or have Part 1, 2, or 3 (Malaysia) to enter though.

Australia
AACA - Actually there are several boards within Australia, South, Western, etc. You need to register with each of them to practice at their jurisdiction.
RAIA - Institute as well...like Pengakap. You need to be an undergraduate in an accredited or recognized school (anywhere in the world as long as RAIA accredits/recognizes), or have Part 1, 2, or 3 (Australia) to enter though.

Britain
ARB - The board, the government, the law, etc.
RIBA - Institute, like Girl's Scout. You need to be an undergraduate in an accredited or recognized school (anywhere in the world as long as RIBA accredits/recognizes), or have Part 1, 2, or 3 (Britain) to enter though.


So, simply put, if you finish your Part 1 & 2 in Melbourne University, you are accredited with Part 1 & 2 PAM & LAM, RAIA & AACA (not sure which jurisdiction) and RIBA (not sure about ARB though). You can sit for Part 3 in Malaysia (under LAM) and Australia (under AACA or whichever jurisdiction Melbourne is under). Not sure about Britain though.


Coming back to Malaysia to work? Well, Malaysia has lots of opportunity. But currently, it is still the Chinamen busniess model at play, that's quickly design, quickly build route. Don't care much about design, arts, etc. Just want a building for profit to come in...whether it's residential, industrial, commercial, etc. So, you like that scenario? It's changing, but at a slow pace. More and more architects have a say...but only a few. Even the contractors don't respect architects much. You like that in Malaysia? That is just 1% of the problem. There are many problems as well, such as planners trying to rob our architect's rights.

In Britain, the architects have the ultimate authority. The contractors have to follow the architect and the clients usually respect the architects, because the architects is A GOD-DAMN PROFESSIONAL WHO KNOW HIS GOD-DAMN TRADE FOR HE/SHE HAD STUDIED, RESEARCHED, WORKED, LIVED, AND SACRIFICED FOR THAT FIELD FOR A DAMN @#$%^& PERIOD compared to the client. So, your choice: a place where you are respected and get to design albeit less work (due to Britain/Australia being well developed) or; a place where you are everyone else's kuli and have lots of jobs in hand...


Sorry...too emotional tongue.gif

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just a slight correction:

if u dont hold a LAM part 2, u cant sit for LAM part 3. if u've got RIBA part 2, u need to register for ur LAM part 2. the registration process is straightforward 2 steps:

i. a showcase of portfolio
ii. a brief interview

this is to ensure ur RIBA part 2 is really up to par. we dont want a RIBA part 2 with sub-2.00cgpa, if u know what i mean. if LAM is satisfied, u'll be registered as a part 2 architect, and ready to start ur LAM part 3. but if LAM is not satisfied with ur part 2 (in case of twinning programmes and such), they will require u to sit for an exam, usually in the form of assignment/logbook as well as written.


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Coming back to Malaysia to work? Well, Malaysia has lots of opportunity. But currently, it is still the Chinamen busniess model at play, that's quickly design, quickly build route. Don't care much about design, arts, etc. Just want a building for profit to come in...whether it's residential, industrial, commercial, etc. So, you like that scenario? It's changing, but at a slow pace. More and more architects have a say...but only a few. Even the contractors don't respect architects much. You like that in Malaysia? That is just 1% of the problem. There are many problems as well, such as planners trying to rob our architect's rights.


well, that's due to a turn-key / design-and-build methodology that we've adapted in order to cut the red tape. it's not necessarily bad. but most of the time people rather cut the design process short and not the construction process. this is the problem.

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In Britain, the architects have the ultimate authority. The contractors have to follow the architect and the clients usually respect the architects, because the architects is A GOD-DAMN PROFESSIONAL WHO KNOW HIS GOD-DAMN TRADE FOR HE/SHE HAD STUDIED, RESEARCHED, WORKED, LIVED, AND SACRIFICED FOR THAT FIELD FOR A DAMN @#$%^& PERIOD compared to the client. So, your choice: a place where you are respected and get to design albeit less work (due to Britain/Australia being well developed) or; a place where you are everyone else's kuli and have lots of jobs in hand...


well, not exactly so in the UK. remember that in the UK, ANYBODY can submit. so who needs architects? haha.

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Azarimy...since u're from UTM...what is ur opinion of fresh graduate of architecture part II start working in Singapore?
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well, that's due to a turn-key / design-and-build methodology that we've adapted in order to cut the red tape. it's not necessarily bad. but most of the time people rather cut the design process short and not the construction process. this is the problem.

well, not exactly so in the UK. remember that in the UK, ANYBODY can submit. so who needs architects? haha.
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in a way, architectural practice in the UK is very much an expert service provider. meaning, anyone can design their own house, but when they submit, they'll have lots of things to consider like construction, buildability and most importantly - liability. but if they wanna make their lives easier, hire an architect.

something like, anybody can repair their plumbing in their house given time and determination, but to make ur life easier, just hire a plumber.

albirri,

fresh graduates working in singapore? err, good lah! i'd support anyone who're keen to widen their horizons first before settling to work in malaysia for good. most of my friends are working overseas: singapore, UK, US, china/hongkong as well as the middle-east. although quite a few of them have already starting to move back to msia...
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QUOTE(azarimy @ Feb 18 2008, 02:23 AM)
in a way, architectural practice in the UK is very much an expert service provider. meaning, anyone can design their own house, but when they submit, they'll have lots of things to consider like construction, buildability and most importantly - liability. but if they wanna make their lives easier, hire an architect.

something like, anybody can repair their plumbing in their house given time and determination, but to make ur life easier, just hire a plumber.

albirri,

fresh graduates working in singapore? err, good lah! i'd support anyone who're keen to widen their horizons first before settling to work in malaysia for good. most of my friends are working overseas: singapore, UK, US, china/hongkong as well as the middle-east. although quite a few of them have already starting to move back to msia...
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believe me, that's what people in the UK compares architects to. either that, or the design whore. take ur pick LOL.
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believe me, that's what people in the UK compares architects to. either that, or the design whore. take ur pick LOL.
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UK...I think AA is the best...which school r u going?
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UK...I think AA is the best...which school r u going?
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Sorry...interrupting in the middle...My senior went there last July. She's in Manchester now...She worked here for three years at T.R Hamzah & Yeang and she is one of the best staff and Dr. Ken Yeang really like her...
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ken yeang likes ALL girls wink.gif.

anyways, there are several good schools for architecture studies in the UK. AA and bartlett are pretty strong in undergraduate studies, and focus on theories and design explorations. cambridge, sheffield and edinburgh are very strong in research, making them the best post-grad archi schools in the UK.

there are also schools which has their own specializations that some of the top schools arent that good in. for example, bath has the best conservation/archaeological research, strathclyde in architectural computings and so on.
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Sorry...interrupting in the middle...My senior went there last July. She's in Manchester now...She worked here for three years at T.R Hamzah & Yeang and she is one of the best staff and Dr. Ken Yeang really like her...
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Dr. Ken like her as one of the best staff he ever had...this girl won a few international competition and very hardworking. That's why this lady actually (already married) was put in the contract admin in TR Hamzah & Yeang. Actually I was in TR Hamzah also for my practical training...hehe
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albirri, which Uni or Col are you from? Which year? You seem to admire Yeang so much...
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albirri, which Uni or Col are you from? Which year? You seem to admire Yeang so much...
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I'm from UIAM...Now in final year, my part II. Bachelor of Architecture. I got about a month to finish up my thesis..."International Watersports Complex at Pulau Duyong, Kuala Terengganu"..not really admire him, but kinda like his bioclimatic and sustainable approach...
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Sigh...Let's get this straight...

PART 1 & 2...it doesn't matter where you get them. Say, if you get Part 1 & 2 from Melbourne U, or Curtin U, or AA or wherever...as long as PAM recognizes it, you are accredited with PART 1 & 2 PAM. Note that usually more than an institute would recognize that qualification. RAIA (Royal Australian Institute of Architects) would recognize Melbourne U as well. So would RIBA (Royal British Institute of Architects). It has NOTHING to do with PART 3. It merely means you are qualified for PART 1 & 2 in Australia, Malaysia and Britain (and whichever country's institute of architects that accredited Melbourne U). You DO NOT need to sit for PART 1 & 2 exams within Malaysia or Australia or Britain (and whichever country's institute of architects that accredited Melbourne U).

Note that, usually, when a country's institute accredit that particular Uni for PART 1 & 2, that country's board would do the same as well. In Malaysia's case, LAM. BUT THAT IS NOT ALWAYS THE CASE. Just usually. Check their website for a list of accreditted schools. Melbourne U is accreditted by LAM & PAM. So far, my bosses had told me that a graduate from universities that LAM accredits would not have any problem sitting for LAM Part 3.

Part 3 is different. Institute can do nothing on Part 3. Only the Board, in Malaysia's case, LAM, would be the one to register you as a Professional Architect. And you can only get Part 3 by sitting for exams within that particular country. Say for example, you get Part 1 & 2 in Melbourne U, you can sit for Part 3 exams in Australia and Malaysia (not sure about Britain). Note that if you are not Malaysian, you wouldn't be able to sit for exam within Malaysia because of our dasar-tutup-pintu. That is not the case in Australia and Britain - if I'm not mistaken. Azarimy, correct me if I'm wrong.

Malaysia
LAM - The board that sets the rule, etc. and the one that you need to register with...the governing body. You need to register to practice in Malaysia...
PAM - It's just an institute...just like Persatuan Bulan Sabit Merah...just that it is for Architects. You need to be an undergraduate in an accredited or recognized school (anywhere in the world as long as PAM accredits/recognizes), or have Part 1, 2, or 3 (Malaysia) to enter though.

Australia
AACA - Actually there are several boards within Australia, South, Western, etc. You need to register with each of them to practice at their jurisdiction.
RAIA - Institute as well...like Pengakap. You need to be an undergraduate in an accredited or recognized school (anywhere in the world as long as RAIA accredits/recognizes), or have Part 1, 2, or 3 (Australia) to enter though.

Britain
ARB - The board, the government, the law, etc.
RIBA - Institute, like Girl's Scout. You need to be an undergraduate in an accredited or recognized school (anywhere in the world as long as RIBA accredits/recognizes), or have Part 1, 2, or 3 (Britain) to enter though.
So, simply put, if you finish your Part 1 & 2 in Melbourne University, you are accredited with Part 1 & 2 PAM & LAM, RAIA & AACA (not sure which jurisdiction) and RIBA (not sure about ARB though). You can sit for Part 3 in Malaysia (under LAM) and Australia (under AACA or whichever jurisdiction Melbourne is under). Not sure about Britain though.
Coming back to Malaysia to work? Well, Malaysia has lots of opportunity. But currently, it is still the Chinamen busniess model at play, that's quickly design, quickly build route. Don't care much about design, arts, etc. Just want a building for profit to come in...whether it's residential, industrial, commercial, etc. So, you like that scenario? It's changing, but at a slow pace. More and more architects have a say...but only a few. Even the contractors don't respect architects much. You like that in Malaysia? That is just 1% of the problem. There are many problems as well, such as planners trying to rob our architect's rights.

In Britain, the architects have the ultimate authority. The contractors have to follow the architect and the clients usually respect the architects, because the architects is A GOD-DAMN PROFESSIONAL WHO KNOW HIS GOD-DAMN TRADE FOR HE/SHE HAD STUDIED, RESEARCHED, WORKED, LIVED, AND SACRIFICED FOR THAT FIELD FOR A DAMN @#$%^& PERIOD compared to the client. So, your choice: a place where you are respected and get to design albeit less work (due to Britain/Australia being well developed) or; a place where you are everyone else's kuli and have lots of jobs in hand...
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clayclws,

I really thank you a lot for your great informations.

Finally, I also understood what azarimy was trying to tell me about LAM/PAM.

In the end, I know that I would just need to be good in my Architectural studies, or else, I would just need to sit for the LAM/PAM Part I and Part II exams in order to qualify for legal Architectural practices in Malaysia.

As for the Part III, I can just come back and work for it in Malaysia if I want to.
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clayclws,

I really thank you a lot for your great informations.

Finally, I also understood what azarimy was trying to tell me about LAM/PAM.

In the end, I know that I would just need to be good in my Architectural studies, or else, I would just need to sit for the LAM/PAM Part I and Part II exams in order to qualify for legal Architectural practices in Malaysia.

As for the Part III, I can just come back and work for it in Malaysia if I want to.
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As always, my advice would be, work overseas, get enough experience and good portfolio first before coming back. You may want to evaluate Malaysia's current architectural scene at that moment before coming back. If everything is ok, then, come back.
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Actually, i want to make a statement. i am in dilemma but now i've solve it. I was a spm leaver and now in dilemma in choosing course for my future. After a lot of thinking, i finally will choose architecture. I was attracted with engineering, actuary, and architecture. I was attracted 2 actuary because of the high pay when working. But, mathematics is really not my stuff. Then i don't want to choose actuary because i dun want to spend my working life in misery because of something i'm not interested (if i ever pass the course). So i go back to my first choice which is architecture and engineering. But now i'm kinda stuck between this two. During in high school, i choose technical science stream. Manage to get good grades in my engineering drawing which my marks is always 90+. But i'm not good in drawing/art. i'm interested in art lyk anime,manga,n many more. just that i can't draw well.So, i kinda stuck to engineering because engineering is one of my choice too. But, i always thinking if malaysia is flooded by engineer. I wanted to be automotive engineer. but in malaysia there is no R&D going on for foreign company. They only do assembly. I'm interested to get involve in making, designing, and anything on clean/environmental friendly car. So i want to ask your guys opinion. I wanted to create something not just sit in the office and do some quality checking. I wanted to use anything i've learn so that all my hard work learning wouldn't wasted just like that.

1. Architecture: i'm good in engineering drawing, and engineering technology. Interested in anything that include building, or something that i create for other people benefit. But, i can;t draw. i have interest in drawing and art.
So, i want to ask:
a)what is the worldwide demand for architects in the next 5-10 years?
b)can i really put my skill on the creation or just be someone puppet/robot when i'm working?
c)the most important, do you think architect salary in malaysia is underpaid or nice?
d)job chances for working oversea? i want to exchange idea with other people.

2. Mechanical/automotive engineering: i'm also quite good in my engineering technology. My dream is to build something which can be useful in human life and the earth.
So, i want to ask:
a)what is the worldwide demand for mechanical/automotive engineering in the next 5-10 years?
b)can i really put my skill on the creation or just be someone puppet/robot when i'm working?
c)the most important, do you think mechanical/automotive engineer salary in malaysia is underpaid or nice?
d)job chances for working oversea? i want to exchange idea with other people.

Please help me. i'm in dilemma right now.

Edited: I can draw, just not very good at it. Can i improve my skill since i'll be 18 this march?

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Actually, i want to make a statement. i am in dilemma but now i've solve it. I was a spm leaver and now in dilemma in choosing course for my future. After a lot of thinking, i finally will choose architecture. I was attracted with engineering, actuary, and architecture. I was attracted 2 actuary because of the high pay when working. But, mathematics is really not my stuff. Then i don't want to choose actuary because i dun want to spend my working life in misery because of something i'm not interested (if i ever pass the course). So i go back to my first choice which is architecture and engineering. But now i'm kinda stuck between this two. During in high school, i choose technical science stream. Manage to get good grades in my engineering drawing which my marks is always 90+. But i'm not good in drawing/art. i'm interested in art lyk anime,manga,n many more. just that i can't draw.So, i kinda stuck to engineering because engineering is one of my choice too. But, i always thinking if malaysia is flooded by engineer. I wanted to be automotive engineer. but in malaysia there is no R&D going on for foreign company. They only do assembly. I'm interested to get involve in making, designing, and anything on clean/environmental friendly car. So i want to ask your guys opinion. I wanted to create something not just sit in the office and do some quality checking. I wanted to use anything i've learn so that all my hard work learning wouldn't wasted just like that.

1. Architecture: i'm good in engineering drawing, and engineering technology. Interested in anything that include building, or something that i create for other people benefit. But, i can;t draw. i have interest in drawing and art.
So, i want to ask:
a)what is the worldwide demand for architects in the next 5-10 years?
b)can i really put my skill on the creation or just be someone puppet/robot when i'm working?
c)the most important, do you think architect salary in malaysia is underpaid or nice?
d)job chances for working oversea? i want to exchange idea with other people.

2. Mechanical/automotive engineering: i'm also quite good in my engineering technology. My dream is to build something which can be useful in human life and the earth.
So, i want to ask:
a)what is the worldwide demand for mechanical/automotive engineering in the next 5-10 years?
b)can i really put my skill on the creation or just be someone puppet/robot when i'm working?
c)the most important, do you think mechanical/automotive engineer salary in malaysia is underpaid or nice?
d)job chances for working oversea? i want to exchange idea with other people.

Please help me. i'm in dilemma right now.
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You already know the good prospect of actuary. You think since you are not interested in maths, you may not like actuary. I've got news for you...my friend's boyfriend is into actuary, and no, it is not just maths. You better think twice about actuary. People that I know personally taking the course are loving it...for what reason? Lots that I'm not really well versed in. Anyway...

Question 1
a) Worldwide demand? No one knows. But in Malaysia, in high demand. Developed countries - low demand.
b) That depends on your skills.
c) Underpaid unless you have Part 3 and you're the Boss. Same thing overseas, but because of the exhange rate, it totals to very high pay. And when you come back, you'll be well paid due to your experience and portfolio and having the brand "Made in UK" (or Australia or US or wherever more prominent) - provided you are really good.
d) Good...I think. Architecture firms love to have people from all walks of life. From what my seniors and bosses had told me, lots of foreigners love Malaysians because we worked like dogs, very proficient in lots of software (due to high piracy rate where we can use and experiment with all types of software), multi-lingual (due to our rojak racial mix: English, BM, Mandarin, Hokkien, Hakka, Cantonese, Japanese, Korean, etc.), we adapt easily with other people (due to our rojak culture), we perform under pressure (most Malaysians can drive while using their handphone and eating at the same time...), and of course, the one reason no one talked much about but is really important, we are friendly (most of us are...).

Question 2
a) No idea, but Malaysia is saturated with engineers dy.
b) You don't get to design independently in most cases. Architects are more independent in that they can design a building based upon their concept. Engineers don't. You work in a team and your design is always a combination of ideas...wait, not your design...your bosses' design. You can never get to design that chrome chassis you want so badly. At least as an architect, your house design is at your mercy (and wife's).
c) No idea...you'll want to go Germany for automotive industry. My friend did and he's earning Euro 4k basic at the moment.
d) Hmm...no idea as well...automotive...I know of other engineering fields that has high demand overseas lah, such as chemical and petro-chemical. But not sure about automotive. My friend in Germany...that guy studied there...
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a little correction bout my statement.

I can draw, just not very good at it. Can i improve my skill since i'll be 18 this march?
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Alright, it is time for reality TV! blink.gif

I am prepared to die for the King "Architect" title! mega_shok.gif

Please tell me what are the scary (or you would rather call it the difficulty) aspects of Architecture during its study period? unsure.gif

Now it is time to try to scare the hell out of me and try to make me change my mind (which is definitely already firmly set in onto Architecture). wink.gif

Come on, try to punch the bitter and agonizing reality of studying Architecture into me and try to open up my eyes to the non glamorous part of the Architecture education. shocking.gif

I am prepared to listen for the possibly worse of the woes I can even imagine I would be having in my Architectural education in the near future. wink.gif

Azarimy/Clayclws, would you mind sharing a little with me? smile.gif (Both of you have went through the hardships of the Architecture education and will live to testify about it!) notworthy.gif

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1. Architecture: i'm good in engineering drawing, and engineering technology. Interested in anything that include building, or something that i create for other people benefit. But, i can;t draw. i have interest in drawing and art.
So, i want to ask:
a)what is the worldwide demand for architects in the next 5-10 years?
b)can i really put my skill on the creation or just be someone puppet/robot when i'm working?
c)the most important, do you think architect salary in malaysia is underpaid or nice?
d)job chances for working oversea? i want to exchange idea with other people.


a. there's no way to know for sure. just look at the world economy, then macro and micro economies in each country. from there u can derive some understanding of whether architecture has a future or not. remember that architecture is one of the fields most reliant on the economy. when the economy is good, they can be one of the largest money makers amongst the professions, but if economy goes down, they'd be the first to go.

b. it depends on what skills u have.

c. it is adequate. the starting pay is still pretty low, but after 5 years it should be good. by average my friends earn RM1800 starting pay (this was in 2001, economy is not strong enough after 1997 recession), but now their average is about RM3000, which is quite good, just after 6-7 years. if u manage to outperform ur boss and acquire a higher post in the firm, u can earn pretty high. the highest grosser amongst my friends is already earning RM6,700 working in KL. he's already setting up his own firm now.

d. jobs are everywhere. and u dont need to work overseas to exchange ideas.


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Alright, it is time for reality TV!  blink.gif

I am prepared to die for the King "Architect" title! mega_shok.gif

Please tell me what are the scary (or you would rather call it the difficulty) aspects of Architecture during its study period?  unsure.gif

Now it is time to try to scare the hell out of me and try to make me change my mind (which is definitely already firmly  set in onto Architecture). wink.gif

Come on, try to punch the bitter and agonizing reality of studying Architecture into me and try to open up my eyes to the non glamorous part of the Architecture education.  shocking.gif

I am prepared to listen for the possibly worse of the woes I can even imagine I would be having in my Architectural education in the near future. wink.gif

Azarimy/Clayclws, would you mind sharing a little with me? smile.gif (Both of you have went through the hardships of the Architecture education and will live to testify about it!)  notworthy.gif
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i'm not sure there is a really scary experience in architecture, for me, that could make anyone NOT want to study architecture. there are some really bad experience i could share with u, but i doubt it'll shake ur foundations.

i guess the most grueling experience anyone WILL go through is the crit. or the worst: the final crit/assessment/judgement/review. i dread every time i walk into the halls. some background first:

the crit (short for critique) is a presentation session at certain points of the project. early crits are just casual sessions where u talk about ur design intentions and stuff like that. u dont have a substantial design at this point, but u're brainstorming ideas infront of the class. i ALWAYS put the craziest ideas first, and most of the time the tutors arent open enough to accept crazy ideas. u progress through a series of crits along the semester until u present ur final finished product amongst 3 or more panel of judges. this is the make or break point of the semester.

u will be grilled like no tomorrow. every aspect of u and ur design will be scrutinized, from the approach u took, the idea, up to the font size u picked on the presentation boards. i remember this one time during my thesis, i was the last person to present. all other panels have finished their presentations, so the lecturers and architects are waiting for my presentation to finish before they can all go to eat. my original judges already have an architect (i forgot his name) and 3 other judges who openly critiques my designs.

then suddenly all the other judges, tutors and architects from 5 other panels came into my presentation bcoz they're waiting for me to finish. at that point there were more judges than students in that room. so i got smashed from every different angels imaginable. PM saari (UM), prof parid (LKW) and prof tajuddin (UTM and prominent writer in the star) were some of the loudest. in that situation, u can only hold on to what u believe in, and fight all u can. if u think debating amongst ur friends in LYN are challenging enough, try debating against 12-15 architects who're more experienced than u will ever be. and non of them backed me!

it eventually took 2 hours to finish my presentation. i know that one of the reason was because my thesis was a bit radically, labeled as an anomaly in the thesis group. but it was worth it. people know me bcoz of that day, the day i stood up against 12 architects. yup, i was totally spent after that, but i got an A for it tongue.gif. so it's totally worth it.

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As always, my advice would be, work overseas, get enough experience and good portfolio first before coming back. You may want to evaluate Malaysia's current architectural scene at that moment before coming back. If everything is ok, then, come back.
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senior,wat is current malaysia architectural scene?

i wonder if you guys read this book before? i just got it from local bookstore; have not got time to go thru it doh.gif
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i havent read it, but if u notice my post about the crit earlier:

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then suddenly all the other judges, tutors and architects from 5 other panels came into my presentation bcoz they're waiting for me to finish. at that point there were more judges than students in that room. so i got smashed from every different angels imaginable. PM saari (UM), prof parid (LKW) and prof tajuddin (UTM and prominent writer in the star) were some of the loudest. in that situation, u can only hold on to what u believe in, and fight all u can. if u think debating amongst ur friends in LYN are challenging enough, try debating against 12-15 architects who're more experienced than u will ever be. and non of them backed me!


that tajuddin is the same tajuddin who wrote the book wink.gif. he is a prominent writer and critique in malaysian architecture, having studied numerous approach and the evolution of architectural styles, history and philosophy. i'd recommend his writings anytime.
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i havent read it, but if u notice my post about the crit earlier:
that tajuddin is the same tajuddin who wrote the book wink.gif. he is a prominent writer and critique in malaysian architecture, having studied numerous approach and the evolution of architectural styles, history and philosophy. i'd recommend his writings anytime.
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azarimy,

That was certainly a pretty interesting experience for you. smile.gifwink.gifbiggrin.gif
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Previously, I was very interested in Engineering actually...

However, the reason why I choose Architecture over Engineering was because I do not want to find myself getting stuck somewhere in my Engineering education later on...

Based from my past experience of solving Mathematical application problems, I realize that I could get stuck in a particular Mathematical application problem as long as I do not know how to solve it, such as forgetting the formula, or a particular systematic pattern of approach to the solution...This can be really scary as it can seriously hinder the progress, you would find yourself stuck in that position, unless you can find the solution to the problem! (It is either a know it and progress, or do not know it and get stuck.) The feeling is rather terrible when you continue to stare at the problem trying to figure out how to solve it, while feeling the pressure of time on you! (Knowing that you are not making any progress!)

Unlike Arts & Design, the thing about Science & Mathematics is that it is either black or white, either you get it right or wrong. (It is objective) Thus, I could spend an hour solving an application problem trying out everything that I know, but there would only be one correct answer/solution to it that I would need to know, or else remain stuck in frustration.

This is the reason why I do not dare to choose Engineering. (Which is very much about problem solving concerning Science and Mathematics!)

I do not have any experience with Architecture yet, but I know that it is going to be similar to the following example;

Designing a map for a strategy game has never been an easy task for me, and I often spend tens of hours to days on one single multi player map. (For some, I spend weeks on.) It includes many sleepless nights.

However, one thing is different, I have never got stuck in one place like the way I got stuck when solving Mathematical Application Problems. I am always progressing, I just need to work hard and be diligent in it. I could not even feel the time pass as I was designing those maps, suddenly, five hours can have passed when I glance at the clock. Admittedly, the designing process is addictive and indulging. No doubt it is stressful, but the end is always rewarding. (In the end, I get to fulfill my dream/vision!) (It is just something that I would want to do and without complains.) To put it this way, although it is hard work, I would feel that it is something that I would just have to achieve, and I would have to get to work at it to achieve the vision.

Architecture is definitely going to be much more than the above example, because Architects will be planning and designing complex buildings involving Science & Technology as well. However, I imagine the experience will be something like my above example, albeit in a more complicated and technical manner in the real world. (That is why Architects need to be Professionals!)

Am I correct in my wild assumption regarding the similarity of my map designing experience with the Architecture design experience in university?

Or have I got my imaginations dreadfully wrong about Architecture that it is going to get me seriously stuck in the mud? shocking.gif

Regards.

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QUOTE(Benjamin911 @ Feb 20 2008, 05:13 PM)
Alright, it is time for reality TV!  blink.gif

I am prepared to die for the King "Architect" title! mega_shok.gif

Please tell me what are the scary (or you would rather call it the difficulty) aspects of Architecture during its study periodunsure.gif

Now it is time to try to scare the hell out of me and try to make me change my mind (which is definitely already firmly  set in onto Architecture). wink.gif

Come on, try to punch the bitter and agonizing reality of studying Architecture into me and try to open up my eyes to the non glamorous part of the Architecture educationshocking.gif

I am prepared to listen for the possibly worse of the woes I can even imagine I would be having in my Architectural education in the near future. wink.gif

Azarimy/Clayclws, would you mind sharing a little with me? smile.gif (Both of you have went through the hardships of the Architecture education and will live to testify about it!)  notworthy.gif
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Ok, my biggest shock was first day in school. There I walked into a studio, all dirty, full of rubbish and chairs and tables were piled up everywhere...normal scene for a studio whereby seniors have graduated and leave every possible "loot" behind...That's not the shock. Then, came in our studio master, he saw the mess and said, "Hey, I have a wonderful idea. Clean up the studio by 2pm and use all the rubbish to come up with a design. Any design. Group up or you can work alone. Flatter or surprise me. This will cover 10% of your semester's design mark." Then he left. It was 10am. 4 hours...design? We haven't even learn anything about design. I'm always a performer...the one living up to everyone's expectation and always submit everything nicely done, complete and on time. This time however...I have no idea what to do, and my heart was pumping like mad...what the heck. Did I just sign up for the wrong course?

A few years passed, and I learned that in Architectural Education (note: education and not real life working condition), you only need to live up to your own expectation. Not everyone else's. Do the best you can and make sure you have reasonably high and doable ambition. Don't bother to compete. You'll only be disappointed if you fail to compete...Architecture is very subjective, so it's hard to judge whether you've done it right or wrong. It's not maths.

Like Azarimy said, crit session is the hardest. Usually there'ld be desk crits and interim crits as well. In UM, desk crits are done by the Studio Master and his/her cohorts of other lecturers and invited regular architects. Interim will feature external panel of more prominent architects. Final crits will have the clients (sometime interim does too), authorities and even more prominent architects. Studio master and lecturers will usually just sit back and watch you get crucified. The regular architects and external panel love to bombard you wih real world scenarios and this is where you learn the most wink.gif

Not sure if that's difficult, but yeah...it is that difficult. Other parts like writing thesis, building analysis, measured drawings, projects, etc. will be incredibly hard for the first time around, especially measured drawing. But you'll learn to live with it and they would all be a piece of cake because they have right answers...more objective, if I must say so.

You asked about scary/difficult/non-glamorous parts in architectural education. The thing is...the scary part is not in the education. It's in the real life working world. I won't tell you much about it till you understand more about architecture...you'll learn about it in school and training wink.gif



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senior,wat is current malaysia architectural scene?
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Erm...that's really hard to say. I've mentioned about the Chinesemen business model...and there are others. Planners stealing our roles. Authorities being a pain in the ass. Unethical architects, clients and contractors. Don't think Architecture as glamourous...it is not. It just seemed so. Work in an architecture office, preferably in KL, and you'll understand why.



QUOTE(Benjamin911 @ Feb 20 2008, 11:59 PM)
Previously, I was very interested in Engineering actually...

However, the reason why I choose Architecture over Engineering was because I do not want to find myself getting stuck somewhere in my Engineering education later on...

Based from my past experience of solving Mathematical application problems, I realize that I could get stuck in a particular Mathematical application problem as long as I do not know how to solve it, such as forgetting the formula, or a particular systematic pattern of approach to the solution...This can be really scary as it can seriously hinder the progress, you would find yourself stuck in that position, unless you can find the solution to the problem! (It is either a know it and progress, or do not know it and get stuck.) The feeling is rather terrible when you continue to stare at the problem trying to figure out how to solve it, while feeling the pressure of time on you! (Knowing that you are not making any progress!)

Unlike Arts & Design, the thing about Science & Mathematics is that it is either black or white, either you get it right or wrong. (It is objective) Thus, I could spend an hour solving an application problem trying out everything that I know, but there would only be one correct answer/solution to it that I would need to know, or else remain stuck in frustration.

This is the reason why I do not dare to choose Engineering. (Which is very much about problem solving concerning Science and Mathematics!)

I do not have any experience with Architecture yet, but I know that it is going to be similar to the following example;

Designing a map for a strategy game has never been an easy task for me, and I often spend tens of hours to days on one single multi player map. (For some, I spend weeks on.) It includes many sleepless nights.

However, one thing is different, I have never got stuck in one place like the way I got stuck when solving Mathematical Application Problems. I am always progressing, I just need to work hard and be diligent in it. I could not even feel the time pass as I was designing those maps, suddenly, five hours can have passed when I glance at the clock. Admittedly, the designing process is addictive and indulging. No doubt it is stressful, but the end is always rewarding. (In the end, I get to fulfill my dream/vision!) (It is just something that I would want to do and without complains.) To put it this way, although it is hard work, I would feel that it is something that I would just have to achieve, and I would have to get to work at it to achieve the vision.

Architecture is definitely going to be much more than the above example, because Architects will be planning and designing complex buildings involving Science & Technology as well. However, I imagine the experience will be something like my above example, albeit in a more complicated and technical manner in the real world. (That is why Architects need to be Professionals!)

Am I correct in my wild assumption regarding the similarity of my map designing experience with the Architecture  design experience in university?

Or have I got my imaginations dreadfully wrong about Architecture that it is going to get me seriously stuck in the mud?  shocking.gif

Regards.
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You'll get stuck in designing as well. Where to put that toilet? Near the fire escape staircase? The smoke core? Hmm, how about that AHU? Wait, where did I put my chillers again? Oh darn, that's where the suction tanks are supposed to be. Hmm, where is my TNB? Oh no, the security room took it. Ok, let's put tat TNB near that servce ingress. Oh no, the rubbish truck can't get through, not enough turning space. If only I make it bigger...oh darn, there goes the MDF. Let's put the loading & unloading somewhere else...oh no~! The service lift can't be moved away. Cold storage blocking dead storage~! Aargh~! Where's the Imhoff tank? Oh no~! Blocked my basement carpark...oh wait...isn't there where I put my basement water pump? How come the exhaust fan room is there instead? Aarggh~!!!! rclxub.gif doh.gif ohmy.gif cry.gif sad.gif shakehead.gif
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like clayclws said, being stuck in design is as hard as being stuck in maths. u need a solid creativity basis to navigate urself in design. designing maps may seem like a complex thing, being in 3D and all, but designing a building with components and dependent in 3D is not a simple feat.

just when u though u've solved one floor in plan, u realized that the next floor does not match the previous ones. when u start moving things around, u'll realize that ur building section does not fit the profile u intent anymore. then u start moving on in circle. the most dangerous thing in design is not being stuck, but not knowing u're stuck.

in maths, u know u're stuck when u cant progress towards the solution anymore. in design, u thought u're progressing forward, while in reality u're actually running around in circle. that's the time killer.

another important thing about design is that, everybody is a good designer. given enough time, everybody can produce an A scheme. the difference is, within the specified time frame, how far can u go? can u reach A scheme within 4 weeks? or do u need 6 weeks? in school, everybody is given the exact same timeframe. u work ur ass off to make sure u submit on time. when the bell rings, if u're incomplete, u're in trouble. in UTM, incomplete = total failure. u can still complete it if u want, but u can only earn minimum passing grade, which is C-.

now imagine the earlier scenario, where u thought u were progressing, but infact u're not... and time still moves on in a linear fashion... biggrin.gif
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ooo I'm in such a dilemma. I'd love to do architecture but I've been offered engineering at Purdue! Purdue seems to be everything I want, except that its engineering!! Mind you, I'm not totally adverse to engineering and I wouldn't really mind doing it but I guess this means giving up architecture?
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i think you still go do engineering later come back do master in architecture? possible ?
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Yea thats possible, though it will be a really really loooong time. tongue.gif
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I heard that most mental cases are from architect fields. Is that true?

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Hmmm...I think that is depend on the person itself...stress and pressure control are very important to whoever and whatever field...I feel stress and pressure when it comes to submission but I can handle it wisely...a lot of things can be done...

Anyway guys, I find this article...maybe it was an old news...

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clayclws,

Thanks man! smile.gif

I really appreciate it that you can share some of your experiences in here. smile.gif

Sometimes when I am designing a map, I will also encounter problems like the ones that you have mentioned. At such point of time, I would need to start making compromises...which can start making me feel rather unsatisfied...(Thinking that the perfection factor is already gone from the design.) One of the reasons why such problem can exist is due to limited space. Say I have allocated an area in a map with a fixed parameter for designing a city, I would just have to design the city the best I can with that limited space...(There would always be compromises towards the end...which are sometimes unacceptable...)

Map designing is basically just my micro experience in designing something Architecture like... smile.gif

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azarimy,

Indeed, I have quite a number of maps that was never complicated due to those very factors you mentioned. unsure.gif

After spending a great deal of time and effort on a map, I would suddenly realize that something have gone very wrong...

One such example happened recently when I was busy designing a Tiberium garden high up on a plateau...After completing everything and feeling very happy, I clicked on a button for a framed view of the terrain and discovered to my horror that I have forgotten to heighten and level the terrain that the garden sits on with the high plateau. I realized that there was absolutely no way I could raise the terrain with the garden on it to match the height of the plateau, due to the fact that the raising of the terrain needs to be done precisely and manually. (The garden immediately started to mess and break up when I attempted to raise the ground beneath...)

Guess what I had to do to solve the problem? Yes, you got it right; I had to go through the painful process of removing every detail and do everything all over again! (Thankfully, the area of mistake for that particular map was not a very big one comparing to some of the areas of my other maps; which contains huge fully developed bases/cities! Imagine what would happen if I have made such a mistake on those terrains...) shocking.gif

Nevertheless, I would say that all of this are anytime better than getting stuck in Mathematical problems which I could do absolutely nothing about, other than trying to crack my brains on them! biggrin.gif

Sometimes it is just good to make mistakes and do everything all over again, because you can never predict when a better idea will just come in. wink.gif

My designs also improved when I attempted them again.

Regards.

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Oh well, I guess my hopes for studying architecture pretty much ends today. For the past three weeks I was 50-50 between doing engineering at Purdue or doing Taylor's+Australia architecture course. Today, a letter arrived in my mail, stating that I am the recipient of a scholarship from Purdue. Can't bring myself to turn that down can I? tongue.gif Maybe next time...
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Hey azarimy, any ideas on the history of local architectural practice during the pre-regulation period? Before there were Architect's Act, UBBL, PAM and LAM... How did the architects cope? Who were the governing bodies then? etc. Even people in PAM have no idea... what the heck. Any books to refer?
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QUOTE(BurgaFlippinMan @ Feb 21 2008, 05:57 PM)
Oh well, I guess my hopes for studying architecture pretty much ends today. For the past three weeks I was 50-50 between doing engineering at Purdue or doing Taylor's+Australia architecture course. Today, a letter arrived in my mail, stating that I am the recipient of a scholarship from Purdue. Can't bring myself to turn that down can I? tongue.gif Maybe next time...
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well, too bad then wink.gif. all the best!


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QUOTE(clayclws @ Feb 21 2008, 06:02 PM)
Hey azarimy, any ideas on the history of local architectural practice during the pre-regulation period? Before there were Architect's Act, UBBL, PAM and LAM... How did the architects cope? Who were the governing bodies then? etc. Even people in PAM have no idea... what the heck. Any books to refer?
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wow... i really have no idea. not my cuppatea, if u know what i mean wink.gif. i could tell u about architectural education and its history in malaysia, but practice? hmmm... biggrin.gif come to think of it, i've never actually tied architecture education in malaysia to practice, which funnily enough it is SUPPOSED to be connected haha. thanks for pointing another gap in my knowledge!

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QUOTE(azarimy @ Feb 22 2008, 02:36 AM)
wow... i really have no idea. not my cuppatea, if u know what i mean wink.gif. i could tell u about architectural education and its history in malaysia, but practice? hmmm... biggrin.gif come to think of it, i've never actually tied architecture education in malaysia to practice, which funnily enough it is SUPPOSED to be connected haha. thanks for pointing another gap in my knowledge!
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well, too bad then wink.gif. all the best!

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Thanks! But who knows...since its a graduate course in the US...and if I happen to stay on...maybe some years down the road...hehe...just maybe. smile.gif
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Yo, Purdue's a great University. Don't let go the chance. Working as an Engineer in the US is not the same as in Malaysia wink.gif Enjoy your studies there~!
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QUOTE(BurgaFlippinMan @ Feb 22 2008, 02:57 AM)
Oh well, I guess my hopes for studying architecture pretty much ends today. For the past three weeks I was 50-50 between doing engineering at Purdue or doing Taylor's+Australia architecture course. Today, a letter arrived in my mail, stating that I am the recipient of a scholarship from Purdue. Can't bring myself to turn that down can I? tongue.gif Maybe next time...
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Congrats.

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QUOTE(Virgle @ Feb 21 2008, 09:59 PM)
I heard that most mental cases are from architect fields. Is that true?
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whats the different between accounting ppl going haywire also? rolleyes.gif
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QUOTE(Virgle @ Feb 21 2008, 10:59 PM)
I heard that most mental cases are from architect fields. Is that true?
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No idea...ask your source to show you the source.
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I got it from my friend who went to mental hospital to do a project survey.

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I heard that most mental cases are from architect fields. Is that true?
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whats the different between accounting ppl going haywire also? rolleyes.gif
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I do not think that accounting will have much mental cases. It is more to actuarial science.

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What is the maximum loan you can get from PTPTN for architecture?

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I got it from my friend who went to mental hospital to do a project survey.
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Unless the source is published and recognized by numerous institution, it is not concrete. Anyone can say anything. Show us a link to the source, or a publication (if it's publication, there should be an ISBN number). If it's a thesis, tell us the university and faculty so we could enquire with the respective authority. If it's just a project, it's not reliable, but tell us the university and hospital anyway, so we can enquire to get proofs - you'll have to give us the name of the author though.



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Same as other science course. I have no idea how much it goes now these days. In my days in Part 1, it was RM7000 per year, but I heard it was increased. I'm not sure as I didn't apply for it.
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Same as other science course. I have no idea how much it goes now these days. In my days in Part 1, it was RM7000 per year, but I heard it was increased. I'm not sure as I didn't apply for it.
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It is a good news for me.

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i doubt architect would make the most mental case in hospitals. reason:

architect is one of the smallest professional population in malaysia. there's only about 1600 chartered architects, and roughly produces about 500-600 architects per year. how many of those would end up in hospitals, as opposed to, lets say, accountancy, which is equally stressful, yet have larger numbers and continuously churn out about 3000-4000 graduates each year?

if u calculate the probability between courses that are equally stressful with architecture, there's a small chance that architecture would dominate the number of mental cases simply bcoz of its small number in the first place.

akitek tak ramai kat malaysia babe. it's numbers is impossibly small compared to the population. 1600 architects vs 12million other professionals, and we dominate the mental cases in hospitals?
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IUCTT - B.Arch unacc LAM Part 1 & 2 equiv

Can someone please confirm if IUCTT is offering Part 1 & 2 equiv as stated in the first page by azarimy. It is stated on their site that they offer a Bachelor of Architectural which is a 3 years programme and students are accepted based on STPM/A Levels. Therefore, I am implying that at best, it will be considered equivalent to a part 1 as opposed to both part 1 and part 2.

http://www.iuctt.edu.my/iuctt/fabe/course.htm

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begining of the course...10 students...after one year, left one....second year, left 2 and one new student come in(he stopped the course 3 years ago and now come back study again)...in the very end, almost 3/4 going to give up...but 8 survived...thanks god, im one of the survivor...

architectural is complex...it is doctrine in arts....


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a little correction bout my statement.

I can draw, just not very good at it. Can i improve my skill since i'll be 18 this march?
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QUOTE(schizophrenic @ Feb 23 2008, 03:19 PM)
IUCTT - B.Arch unacc LAM Part 1 & 2 equiv

Can someone please confirm if IUCTT is offering Part 1 & 2 equiv as stated in the first page by azarimy. It is stated on their site that they offer a Bachelor of Architectural which is a 3 years programme and students are accepted based on STPM/A Levels. Therefore, I am implying that at best, it will be considered equivalent to a part 1 as opposed to both part 1 and part 2.

http://www.iuctt.edu.my/iuctt/fabe/course.htm

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dude, read properly. it states:

diploma in architecture = 6 semesters (3 years), intake from SPM (non part 1)
degree of architecture = 10 semesters (5 years), intake from STPM (part 1 & 2)

IUCTT is a twinning with UTM, using UTM's exact same curriculum. well, except the expertise, resources, facilities and the environment lah biggrin.gif. also note that they're NOT accredited with LAM part 1 or 2. the degree is equivalent with it. meaning u will need to sort out ur professional qualifications urself after graduating.


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QUOTE(azarimy @ Feb 24 2008, 02:32 AM)
dude, read properly. it states:

diploma in architecture = 6 semesters (3 years), intake from SPM (non part 1)
degree of architecture = 10 semesters (5 years), intake from STPM (part 1 & 2)

IUCTT is a twinning with UTM, using UTM's exact same curriculum. well, except the expertise, resources, facilities and the environment lah biggrin.gif. also note that they're NOT accredited with LAM part 1 or 2. the degree is equivalent with it. meaning u will need to sort out ur professional qualifications urself after graduating.
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ok thanx
that means that someone who got a part 1 qualification LAM will be able to proceed to the 4th and 5th year of their degree so as to complete part 2 equivalent and take the part 2 professional course right? if they accept of course.
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ok thanx
that means that someone who got a part 1 qualification LAM will be able to proceed to the 4th and 5th year of their degree so as to complete part 2 equivalent and take the part 2 professional course right? if they accept of course.
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QUOTE(azarimy @ Feb 24 2008, 07:20 PM)
yup. more or less.
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How am I going to apply Architecture course in UTM?

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QUOTE(Virgle @ Feb 25 2008, 04:23 AM)
How am I going to apply Architecture course in UTM?
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Ok, I'm going to be frank...refer to first page, first post, point 4.0. Common Paths to Studying Architecture. In case you have a hard time finding it, let me post the chart here again (hopefully azarimy won't mind me copy and paste his copyright-ed chart biggrin.gif )
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Route No. 1 is the common path.

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i doubt architect would make the most mental case in hospitals. reason:

architect is one of the smallest professional population in malaysia. there's only about 1600 chartered architects, and roughly produces  about 500-600 architects per year. how many of those would end up in hospitals, as opposed to, lets say, accountancy, which is equally stressful, yet have larger numbers and continuously churn out about 3000-4000 graduates each year?

if u calculate the probability between courses that are equally stressful with architecture, there's a small chance that architecture would dominate the number of mental cases simply bcoz of its small number in the first place.

akitek tak ramai kat malaysia babe. it's numbers is impossibly small compared to the population. 1600 architects vs 12million other professionals, and we dominate the mental cases in hospitals?
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How am I going to apply Architecture course in UTM?
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Ok, I'm going to be frank...refer to first page, first post, point 4.0. Common Paths to Studying Architecture. In case you have a hard time finding it, let me post the chart here again (hopefully azarimy won't mind me copy and paste his copyright-ed chart  biggrin.gif )
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Route No. 1 is the common path.
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What I mean is, Should I go to UTM to register? It is because I cannot find any information on UTM website about online applying.
What is UPU form? Mind to elaborate on this?

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What I mean is, Should I go to UTM to register? It is because I cannot find any information on UTM website about online applying.
What is UPU form? Mind to elaborate on this?
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doesnt evybody know that govt university intakes are all control by the govt and the ministry?

anyway, anybody here worked in UK before? Whats the fresh grad salary for a B. Arch degree, say in London? Actually im considering doing my internship in London, would love to work at Norman Foster's or Grimshaw's office for this coming holiday.
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Hmmm...justin, last time when i worked with Dr. Ken Yeang, one of the staff was working with Foster, he said that, although the salary is high but the cost living in London is really make u sick... blink.gif

Better u go somewhere in Manchester (haha...MU fan), my senior is there now, and her salary is almost 3k pound sterling...anyway, she'll be there only for a year, this coming June she'll be working at Melbourne, Australia. I asked her why, she said that Aussie is much more better than UK currently...maybe that just her opinion...but it depends...if u really going there (UK)...let us know in here... icon_idea.gif

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Hmmm...justin, last time when i worked with Dr. Ken Yeang, one of the staff was working with Foster, he said that, although the salary is high but the cost living in London is really make u sick... blink.gif

Better u go somewhere in Manchester (haha...MU fan), my senior is there now, and her salary is almost 3k pound sterling...anyway, she'll be there only for a year, this coming June she'll be working at Melbourne, Australia. I asked her why, she said that Aussie is much more better than UK currently...maybe that just her opinion...but it depends...if u really going there (UK)...let us know in here... icon_idea.gif
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wow, banyak architect come to melb blink.gif blink.gif
if all architects run ard, who going to solve our malaysia architecture problem/ crisis and mess?

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The less architect there is in Malaysia, the better it is. Architect can demand better pay. Maybe next time Scale of Minimum Fees would be revised to 10-15% laugh.gif
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how much would it cost to take the architecture course? (rough estimation)
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QUOTE(aprisis @ Feb 26 2008, 09:08 AM)
how much would it cost to take the architecture course? (rough estimation)
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depends on where u wanna study and for how long. refer to the architectural route diagram in the 1st post. there are various paths u can take both in malaysia, abroad or a combination of the two, as long as u get to part 2 accreditation.

if u're going through IPTA path for 5 years, it'll cost u about RM15k - RM20k for fees and accommodations for the entire duration of study (total 5 years) + about RM25k - RM30k for various other expenses (food, transport, mobile phone, living essentials, stationaries, printing etc).

going through IPTS for full 5 years can take between RM100k - RM250k for fees and accommodations, and about RM25k - RM30k for other expenses.


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doesnt evybody know that govt university intakes are all control by the govt and the ministry?

anyway, anybody here worked in UK before? Whats the fresh grad salary for a B. Arch degree, say in London? Actually im considering doing my internship in London, would love to work at Norman Foster's or Grimshaw's office for this coming holiday.
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there have been a number of UTM alumni working in foster's, and most of them quit after a few years due to unfavourable environment. i wont badmouth another practice since i myself have never worked there, but i could forward some contacts with those who've worked there if u want. and do join facebook (if u havent), coz there's a group called "malaysian architects in the UK", which is a good contact basis if u wanna do ur practical training here.

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QUOTE(azarimy @ Feb 26 2008, 06:51 PM)
there have been a number of UTM alumni working in foster's, and most of them quit after a few years due to unfavourable environment. i wont badmouth another practice since i myself have never worked there, but i could forward some contacts with those who've worked there if u want. and do join facebook (if u havent), coz there's a group called "malaysian architects in the UK", which is a good contact basis if u wanna do ur practical training here.
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well.. thanks for the info.. i just join the group... but where is u mr azarimy?? cool2.gif
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well.. thanks for the info.. i just join the group... but where is u mr azarimy?? cool2.gif
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well.. thanks for the info.. i just join the group... but where is u mr azarimy?? cool2.gif
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QUOTE(azarimy @ Feb 26 2008, 06:51 PM)
there have been a number of UTM alumni working in foster's, and most of them quit after a few years due to unfavourable environment. i wont badmouth another practice since i myself have never worked there, but i could forward some contacts with those who've worked there if u want. and do join facebook (if u havent), coz there's a group called "malaysian architects in the UK", which is a good contact basis if u wanna do ur practical training here.
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Oh goodies. Going to join Facebook soon then...
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eh...i juz read from the taylors website see that the new Bachelor of science(Hons) (Architecture) had juz been started by taylors...i wonder is that part 1? i hope somebody knows about it share something here...thanks...
Im a diploma archi student in taylors though...
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thanks for the update mars. i've checked and it's pretty obvious it is a part 1 equivalent. however, it's not accredited by LAM yet. the accreditation process will only take AFTER they've produced the first batch, so if u're it, dont expect an accreditation anytime soon wink.gif.
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QUOTE(azarimy @ Feb 27 2008, 06:08 PM)
thanks for the update mars. i've checked and it's pretty obvious it is a part 1 equivalent. however, it's not accredited by LAM yet. the accreditation process will only take AFTER they'vproduced the first batch, so if u're it, dont expect an accreditation anytime soon wink.gif.
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Well well, unless the student wants to practice legally in Malaysia. wink.gif

For those Taylor's Part 1 holder who will proceed to the University of Melbourne later on to finish their Architecture Studies, those people will not be affected by the LAM accreditation. wink.gif

In addition, those who plan to take Taylor's Part 1 Architecture degree may continue straight to the University of Melbourne later on for the Masters of Architecture (x2 years). wink.gif

This provide the freedom for Taylor's Architecture students to choose their Part 1 Architecture degree from the University of Melbourne, or from Taylors University College.

Ultimately, both Part 1 degrees will lead to the same path and destination. smile.gif

Regards.

Oh, and what about the fact that if I opt for Taylor's Part 1 Degree, I would be having the opportunity to study for an extra year in their new Lakeside Campus. rclxm9.gif


Added on February 27, 2008, 7:38 pmBTW, now Taylors also seems to have a United Kingdom partnership as well;

http://www.taylors.edu.my/courses/arc/arc_...ing2.php?id=251

Hmmm...that would leave me with another choice in the future. thumbup.gif

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do note that taylor's UK path has one additional year for RIBA part 1. it means from STPM:

3 years degree in taylor's + 1 year RIBA part 1 + 2 years RIBA part 2 (not to mention 1 year practical training in between the RIBAs).

it means u're going through 6 years after STPM instead of 5 years in any other paths. given how most of u seems to make a fuss even with 2 extra months, i dont think most of u would opt for one extra year wink.gif. and it didnt mention which UK school either. that's another catch. if they managed to get a deal with a good/top schools, they'd be promoting it in their website. just hope it's not some obscure schools nobody have ever heard of...
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QUOTE(azarimy @ Feb 29 2008, 09:56 AM)
do note that taylor's UK path has one additional year for RIBA part 1. it means from STPM:

3 years degree in taylor's + 1 year RIBA part 1 + 2 years RIBA part 2 (not to mention 1 year practical training in between the RIBAs).

it means u're going through 6 years after STPM instead of 5 years in any other paths. given how most of u seems to make a fuss even with 2 extra months, i dont think most of u would opt for one extra year wink.gif. and it didnt mention which UK school either. that's another catch. if they managed to get a deal with a good/top schools, they'd be promoting it in their website. just hope it's not some obscure schools nobody have ever heard of...
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Well, I personally do not see the extra years of education as a problem, I see it as an excuse to enjoy my study life for longer + to gain more knowledge. wink.gif

Well, why should other people complain? (It is like that if one desires to have good education overseas in a good university.) cool2.gif

Regarding Taylor's (would be) UK partnership, I doubt they would ever partner with some obscure schools nobody have ever heard of, judging by their present partnership with the University of Melbourne; which is one of the top schools for Architecture.

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Are there even obscure schools in the UK anyway? biggrin.gif

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there are LOTS of obscure schools in the UK. come here and i'll show u wink.gif. some of the standard are even lower than IPTAs in malaysia, but they still could offer RIBA part 1 and 2.

anyways, if u weigh the one extra year between experience and another GBP10k per year, i'm pretty sure they'd choose to save the GBP10k and go to australia instead. that's RM 70k extra for learning stuff that u've already learned in taylor's, just to satisfy RIBA's requirement.
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Today, I was "Officially" accepted into the Taylor's Architecture program. Before that, Taylors had to consult the University of Melbourne and the Malaysian board regarding my entry requirements, which was their standard procedure of admitting a student into their program.

Finally, the result was out; which was very surprising to say the least. According to the Taylor's admission officer, it was "Ridiculous".

The University of Melbourne accepted me, but the Malaysian board did not! hmm.gif

The reason the Malaysian board did not accept me was because I do not have the SPM! The Taylor's admission officer said that it was simply ridiculous because the American program that I took was having a higher academic standard than the SPM.

As a result;

The ideal option for me in the future, according to the Taylor's admission officer, is to continue working in Melbourne and not come back to Malaysia and work, because the Malaysian government will not recognize me.

Anyway to be honest, before I was even given the news, I was already having the feeling that something like this is bound to happen; where if there is going to be a problem, the problem will not lay with the Melbourne's side, but with the local Malaysian board's side.

It was all so predictable! I can still remember that I was walking to the kitchen during that time, telling myself that "IF there is going to be a problem with my admission, it would not be because of the University of Melbourne, but it would be the problem with the local Malaysian board." When I was presented with the news today, I was somehow not surprised, but yet, it was kinda scary because I realized how true I was earlier...

Anyway, the great news is;

I am finally going to be studying Architecture for real. (The "Doctor" of the complicated buildings around us today, just like the Doctor is to our complex human bodies.)

I will be making sure that I work hard to fulfill my dream; to become a great Architect. However, that is NOT the most important to me. The MOST important to me is to acquire the CAPABILITY to design buildings that are functional, durable, economical, cost effective, efficient, flexible, self sustainable, environment friendly, user friendly, prepared for the worse case scenarios, state of the art, interesting, orderly, impressive, outstanding, hassle free, easy to maintain, and easily manageable. (The most irritating and annoying aspects of our buildings today.) I want to correct all of this and change things for the better of mankind. (I want to BUILD a BETTER tomorrow for mankind!)

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May I ask. If I take Part I from UCSI, can I continue Part II in a different uni? Or must I take both from the same uni?

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May I ask. If I take Part I from UCSI, can I continue Part II in a different uni? Or must I take both from the same uni?

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UCSI is not accredit with part 1. it is only part 1 equivalent. switching to another university is a limited option. if u're a certified part 1 holder, then it is no problem. UCSI's degree would mean u still have to take proper part 1 before u start ur part 2. joining an IPTA with part 1 and 2 would mean u will have to go through 3rd year again, finish ur part 1, then only continue for ur 2nd degree in part 2.
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From what I understand from PAM's site, If my degree is from an institution that is not accredited by them, I'll have to go for a 2 stage process which includes and interview and a presentation of my portfolio. Only if I fail the 2 stage process will I be required to sit for an additional exam in order for my 1st degree to be recognised as a Part 1 qualification.

Did I get it wrong?

Assuming I managed to pass the 2 stage process and my qualification is deemed to be a part 1 qualification, will I be able to continue with my 2 year degree from any accredited institution thereby satisfying Part 2 in order to be a graduate architect.

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From what I understand from PAM's site, If my degree is from an institution that is not accredited by them, I'll have to go for a 2 stage process which includes and interview and a presentation of my portfolio. Only if I fail the 2 stage process will I be required to sit for an additional exam in order for my 1st degree to be recognised as a Part 1 qualification.

Did I get it wrong?

Assuming I managed to pass the 2 stage process and my qualification is deemed to be a part 1 qualification, will I be able to continue with my 2 year degree from any accredited institution thereby satisfying Part 2 in order to be a graduate architect.

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that's correct.

however, when referring to holding a degree from an unaccredited institution, it basically means RIBA or RAIA schools which already has an equivalent accreditation. this is bcoz they've already obtained accreditation from their own respective board of architects. UCSI on the other hand is not accredited by any body. it is almost certain that u will have to go through the third stage of the examination.

however, if u do manage to pass the part 1 exam, then yes, u will join the part 2 straight at 4th year (also known as 1st year 2nd degree).

but to be honest, it is far easier to get through final year of part 1 than to take the exams.

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UCSI is not accredit with part 1. it is only part 1 equivalent. switching to another university is a limited option. if u're a certified part 1 holder, then it is no problem. UCSI's degree would mean u still have to take proper part 1 before u start ur part 2. joining an IPTA with part 1 and 2 would mean u will have to go through 3rd year again, finish ur part 1, then only continue for ur 2nd degree in part 2.
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Just a correction, specifically to UM: If anyone was to do that in UM, they will have to go through 2nd year, not 3rd year.
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Just a correction, specifically to UM: If anyone was to do that in UM, they will have to go through 2nd year, not 3rd year.
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not quite sure about that. i do know for a non-part 1 diploma u'd go through 2nd year. but this is a part 1 degree equivalent. i will check on this later.
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QUOTE(azarimy @ Mar 2 2008, 06:25 AM)
that's correct.

however, when referring to holding a degree from an unaccredited institution, it basically means RIBA or RAIA schools which already has an equivalent accreditation. this is bcoz they've already obtained accreditation from their own respective board of architects. UCSI on the other hand is not accredited by any body. it is almost certain that u will have to go through the third stage of the examination.

however, if u do manage to pass the part 1 exam, then yes, u will join the part 2 straight at 4th year (also known as 1st year 2nd degree).

but to be honest, it is far easier to get through final year of part 1 than to take the exams.
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QUOTE(azarimy @ Mar 2 2008, 06:01 PM)
not quite sure about that. i do know for a non-part 1 diploma u'd go through 2nd year. but this is a part 1 degree equivalent. i will check on this later.
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Hmmm...I'm also unsure, but so far there's only diploma holders entering UM after Part 1...so I thought it may be the same.
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I am really looking forward to be taught how to design buildings. (E.g. planning out the floor plans, planning out the build in units/facilities, planning out the DESIGN/LAYOUT of the building etc...I am feeling very excited about all this!)

I wonder in Architecture, will I get to determine the PERSPECTIVE of the people on the buildings, cities, or facilities, as they are approaching it, or leaving it? (Lets imagine that I am designing a city. I want to determine the views the people would be having on the city as they are approaching it. Perhaps, I would like the people to enter into the city's region via a high bridge that will continue to lead them all the way to the main city. Then perhaps I would like to place the interesting buildings onto reclaim lands located further out from the main city, and then make the high bridge cross directly over those region containing those interesting buildings, as it leads the people on to the main city. In other words, I want to plan the people's perspective on the city, building, or facility as they are approaching it, or leaving it.

Will the Architect be having the power to perform all of those above?




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anyways, there are several good schools for architecture studies in the UK. AA and bartlett are pretty strong in undergraduate studies, and focus on theories and design explorations. cambridge, sheffield and edinburgh are very strong in research, making them the best post-grad archi schools in the UK.

there are also schools which has their own specializations that some of the top schools arent that good in. for example, bath has the best conservation/archaeological research, strathclyde in architectural computings and so on.
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what about plymouth?

neway,jz to inform..im from uia pj..will be finishing my foundation in architecture probably by junr smile.gif
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QUOTE(Benjamin911 @ Mar 4 2008, 11:25 AM)
I am really looking forward to be taught how to design buildings. (E.g. planning out the floor plans, planning out the build in units/facilities, planning out the DESIGN/LAYOUT of the building etc...I am feeling very excited about all this!)

I wonder in Architecture, will I get to determine the PERSPECTIVE of the people on the buildings, cities, or facilities, as they are approaching it, or leaving it? (Lets imagine that I am designing a city. I want to determine the views the people would be having on the city as they are approaching it. Perhaps, I would like the people to enter into the city's region via a high bridge that will continue to lead them all the way to the main city. Then perhaps I would like to place the interesting buildings onto reclaim lands located further out from the main city, and then make the high bridge cross directly over those region containing those interesting buildings, as it leads the people on to the main city. In other words, I want to plan the people's perspective on the city, building, or facility as they are approaching it, or leaving it.

Will the Architect be having the power to perform all of those above?
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first, dont put ur expectations too high. design is a training that must go through a process. one of the most famous advice in architecture is "dont jump the gun", meaning dont skip the essential steps just because u wanna get there faster. process is the most important element in architecture and design, and this includes ur education to become an architect.

all that aside, yes, u will get to design literally everything in a building. it's the closest profession to playing god (aside from politicians) - u get to play with people's lives. u can do all that, with only one shortcoming - will u be able to convince others? biggrin.gif.

hence why people also say - architects are the greatest salesman. they sell a product that is not even built yet, and they get paid to design whatever they want!
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first, dont put ur expectations too high. design is a training that must go through a process. one of the most famous advice in architecture is "dont jump the gun", meaning dont skip the essential steps just because u wanna get there faster. process is the most important element in architecture and design, and this includes ur education to become an architect.

all that aside, yes, u will get to design literally everything in a building. it's the closest profession to playing god (aside from politicians) - u get to play with people's lives. u can do all that, with only one shortcoming - will u be able to convince others? biggrin.gif.

hence why people also say - architects are the greatest salesman. they sell a product that is not even built yet, and they get paid to design whatever they want!
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Azarimy, thanks a lot for adding even more motivation and inspiration in me to become an Architect! biggrin.gif

I never have any plans to jump any guns! (I am not the type that like to take any shortcuts!.) icon_rolleyes.gif

I hope to enjoy my Architecture education really. cool2.gif

Any idea what would I be doing in my first semester, all the way up to my first year? (I believe I would be performing intensive Arts and Crafts right?) sweat.gif sweat.gif sweat.gif





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what about plymouth?

neway,jz to inform..im from uia pj..will be finishing my foundation in architecture probably by junr smile.gif
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not sure about plymouth's specialization or reputation. perhaps u should refer to the rankings.


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Azarimy, thanks a lot for adding even more motivation and inspiration in me to become an Architect! biggrin.gif

I never have any plans to jump any guns! (I am not the type that like to take any shortcuts!.)  icon_rolleyes.gif

I hope to enjoy my Architecture education really.  cool2.gif

Any idea what would I be doing in my first semester, all the way up to my first year? (I believe I would be performing intensive Arts and Crafts right?)  sweat.gif  sweat.gif  sweat.gif
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1st semester are usually the orientation semester. typically, the objectives of this semester are:

i. to level the playing field
each student came from a different background. an urban student may be more exposed to various designs and more outgoing, a characteristics crucial for architecture. so what 1st sem does is to bridge the gap between the students.

ii. to use the same language
not BM, BI, mandarin or anything, but the vocabulary in architecture is very different from layman's terms. "open space" could mean a multitude of different descriptions of a space, and it doesnt necessarily mean a space outside a building.

iii. to introduce the culture of design
design is a culture, a collection of behaviours of designers in the production of design. u will be introduced on what the design process is all about, and how to use them to structure ur thoughts, ur abilities and skills in order to achieve the objective of each project.

iv. to instigate designer's attitude
this is so that each individual designer complies to the nature of design.

v. to train essential design/production skills
and finally this is to train u how to draw, visualize, reiterate ur thoughts, manipulate the media and so on with a sole purpose: to communicate.



basically those are the typical objectives for 1st semester (and sometimes the entire 1st year) for architecture. but different schools may approach it differently. some schools may have nothing architectural in 1st semester, while others just simply jump straight into the warm waters of architectural designing. u may explore the nature of fine arts, contemporary designs and so on, or u may be brought straight to design ur own room and eventually ur dream house. it varies alot, but in essence, the 1st year objective remains the same, give or take a few.

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Lets say if I take STPM, what stream should I take? Art Stream or Science Stream?
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Lets say if I take STPM, what stream should I take? Art Stream or Science Stream?
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read the first post. either way also can wink.gif.
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first, dont put ur expectations too high. design is a training that must go through a process. one of the most famous advice in architecture is "dont jump the gun", meaning dont skip the essential steps just because u wanna get there faster. process is the most important element in architecture and design, and this includes ur education to become an architect.

all that aside, yes, u will get to design literally everything in a building. it's the closest profession to playing god (aside from politicians) - u get to play with people's lives. u can do all that, with only one shortcoming - will u be able to convince others? biggrin.gif.

hence why people also say - architects are the greatest salesman. they sell a product that is not even built yet, and they get paid to design whatever they want!
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1. We don't get to design whatever we want...
2. We don't get to set the pricing much...and some just don't get paid the way it was meant to be...



QUOTE(Benjamin911 @ Mar 4 2008, 08:07 PM)
Azarimy, thanks a lot for adding even more motivation and inspiration in me to become an Architect! biggrin.gif

I never have any plans to jump any guns! (I am not the type that like to take any shortcuts!.)  icon_rolleyes.gif

I hope to enjoy my Architecture education really.  cool2.gif

Any idea what would I be doing in my first semester, all the way up to my first year? (I believe I would be performing intensive Arts and Crafts right?)  sweat.gif  sweat.gif  sweat.gif
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Specifically, you will be dealing with the meaning of space (what is space? does it need to have a wall? does it need roof? does it need to be enlcosed?). Then, you deal with anthropometry and ergonomics (in LimKokWing and UM, you get to build one-to-one-scale furniture). Next, you will be dealing with concept and intentions (very hard for me to give example for new undergrads). After that, you deal with style and substance or form and function. Mix and match with design presentation, drawing skills, drawing standards and schemes, etc. And your final for 1st year may be to design a house or something of that size. I did a writer's retreat in Gunung Ledang...and yes, you get to travel a lot to sites.
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Hi hi , sorry. I don't know where to ask. Therefore, I posted here.

Do anybody know URA colour codes? It's something like the indications of colours for types or functions of the buildings in the map. icon_question.gif

I need it urgently for my assignment. I tried to search from the internet but I just couldn't find. Anyone knows it , please tell me where i could get it from, or send the files to me, or simple type the link for me. Thank you very much.

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Azarimy & Clayclws, thanks a lot; those were so informative! notworthy.gif

Azarimy, what do you mean when you said that Architecture students need to be "Outgoing"? (Outgoing in the sense of socializing around with the other students? Isn't that what every students are doing in colleges/universities? biggrin.gif)

What is the "particular" outgoing characteristic that the Architecture student need to have?

Thanks a lot in advance.

BTW, what would I basically be drawing in the first year?

When will I get the chance to start designing buildings? (This is one of the primary reasons why I am looking forward to study Architecture!)

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I am not sure whether this will be healthy for my Architecture education, but I tend to favor "Systematic/Geometrical" looks over "non Systematic/non Geometrical" looks. I like it to look technical, futuristic, orderly, systematic, and geometrical, instead of it looking unpredictable, erratic, disorganized, messy, free flow, and uncontrolled like. In addition to that, I also tend to control my designs too much, and tend to restrict it to a certain style, or rule. My designs have rules in it! (Think of rigid designing.)

I am not sure whether this will be having a negative impact on my designs in the future...

*When I talk about "my" designs, I am referring to the rigid design mentality that is in me today. As long as I have to design/draw something out of my mind, the result would be looking rather "industrial" and technical like, rather then looking truly Artistic.

Formally, I thought of "Architecture" as technical, full of complicated geometry/straight lines, full of precision in the drawings, full of technical looking buildings/skylines (Think of glass & steel buildings), full of measurements, full of technical drawings etc...which I really like a lot....

Today, Architecture seems to be more than just those to me, which makes me feel the urgency to get myself prepared for the new found challenges...(Challenges which I am currently very weak in...)

To be very honest, I am very weak in the social aspect, the communication aspect, the free flow of thought aspect (my thoughts are always somehow rigid and controlled), the design freely aspect (My designs are always fixed and always bounded by some sort of rules), and in the Arts & Crafts! shocking.gif (Arts & Crafts is indeed one of my greatest weakness!) unsure.gif I have always dreaded Arts & Crafts! unsure.gif You want me to talk about my drawing as well??? shocking.gif I am really bad in drawing you know, unless you pass me a ruler and ask me to draw everything in straight lines and polygons. unsure.gif

OMG, perhaps the next thing I will hear is that "Architecture isn't for me"! shocking.gif

Perhaps Architecture is only suitable for those who are truly Artistic and outgoing? unsure.gif (I get afraid whenever I hear of the words "Artistic" and "Outgoing"; simply because I am very weak in those aspects... unsure.gif )

Anyway;

I decided on Architecture by using the POE (Process of elimination) method. Instead of choosing a course from the list of all the courses, I eliminated the courses slowly one by one until I ended up with the likely remaining candidates. Finally, I narrowed down the list even further and ended up with Architecture and Engineering. I decided that Engineering was too unpredictable (I do not have the confidence that I can make it!), too risky to attempt (What if I cannot pass it no matter how hard I try???), very Mathematic intensive (I can imagine what a calculator dependent guy like me would be facing!), and based from my pass bad experience of getting stuck in Math problems! (Math is NOT fun! I am only motivated when I can show to other people that I can perform such complicated equations! But for how long can I live with such nonsense??? It won't be a big deal anymore in the future when I would also be faced with the truth of Engineering...)

So that left Architecture for me, nothing else. Considering that Architecture managed to make it to the top of the list and be the only one remaining in my list of courses; it is "Logically" the choice. (I could not find any other courses that could take its place.) [Engineering was the closest course to take its place, but Architecture was more convincing, assuring, and secured to me.]

I prefer something that I can work hard to achieve, and the results will show it! Not something like some evil quiz where you either know it and pass (Progress), or do not know it and fail (Get Stuck!). Math is one such thing!

Getting stuck in design is not as bad as getting stuck in Maths IMO! wink.gif The latter is irritating, frustrating, nail biting, head/brain cracking, sore to the eyes, agonizing, and 100% stagnant!! At least getting stuck in design, you get to explore, try out new things, explore out new concepts, and continue to mess around and explore even more...By the time you have solved the problem, you would have learned so many things; and have designed (Achieved) so many things! thumbup.gif (You might even end up with something even more remarkable!) cool2.gif

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QUOTE(clayclws @ Mar 5 2008, 01:58 AM)
1. We don't get to design whatever we want...
2. We don't get to set the pricing much...and some just don't get paid the way it was meant to be...

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context, my dear friend. i was referring to the part where u become the greatest salesman. u're not an architect yet if u still succumb to what the client wants wink.gif. the architect should be able to coerce the client to do whatever he wants, that's why we do what we do.


Added on March 5, 2008, 7:36 pmoutgoing:

most college/university students tend to be outgoing. but none of those courses REQUIRE them to be outgoing. architects will be trained to socialize, and they live in an environment where if u dont socialize, there's only so much u can gain.

in architecture, u learn more from ur peers than ur teachers. from my readings on architecture education, peers contribute to about 50% of ur knowledge gained in architecture, 20-30% from lecturers/educators, and the rest from personal reading, ideas and experience. if all this time u've been stuck in ur room reading and doing work alone, u're missing 50% of the potential knowledge that u could gain in architecture.

that's why architects work in the studio amongst other designers, not working alone in their room like an anti-social dork biggrin.gif.

it is not only for studying. in practice, architects are bound to interact with various different people, from professionals to authorities to clients. all requires the social skills to convince them to do what the architect wants. most often, u'll need to convince the civil engineers that ur weird design is buildable, and they have to calculate and endorse it. civil engineers are a tight bunch in malaysia, most of them arent willing to go outside the box and do weird stuff. so u gotta convince them to do it.

and what about clients? clients are the hardest people to convince. there are lots of stuff that architects can/want to do, but how do u convince the clients to agree? they havent even seen the product yet, how do u expect them to say yet? imagine a direct seller coming to ur home trying to sell a product that's not even in production yet... biggrin.gif

social skills are essential for the architect. if u cant socialize, then u'll become the designer who sits at the back of the office, infront of the computer doing work. the real architect will be the frontman of the firm, and that's where the money is. designers are worth less bcoz they only produce designs, the frontman gets the projects into the firm. no frontman, no designer laa biggrin.gif.



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Azarimy, doesn't the outgoingness that you are talking about also applies to the other courses and professions too? Wouldn't the Engineer, the Technician, the Quantity Surveyor, the Construction Manager, the Interior Designer, and the Business man all need to be "Outgoing" as well?

I can believe that the Craftsman, Draftsman, and Scientist does not have to be as "Outgoing" as the Architect; due to the fact that they would usually be performing the job upon command, or personally in the laboratory. However, the Engineer, the Technician, the Construction Manager, the Quantity Surveyor, the Interior Designer, and the Business man, (like the Architect), all have to be performing supervisions, interactions, and discussions with the team. (Am I correct?)

The Architect does not seems to be the exception in here.
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Hi hi , sorry. I don't know where to ask. Therefore, I posted here.

Do anybody know URA colour codes? It's something like the indications of colours for types or functions of the buildings in the map. icon_question.gif

I need it urgently for my assignment. I tried to search from the internet but I just couldn't find. Anyone knows it , please tell me where i could get it from, or send the files to me, or simple type the link for me. Thank you very much.

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URA? As in the Urban Redevelopment Authority of Singapore? You're not looking at the right place. Most ppl here wont know. You need to ask probably in a Singaporean architecture forum. Try this link.

http://tas.informe.com/forum/


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Azarimy, doesn't the outgoingness that you are talking about also applies to the other courses and professions too? Wouldn't the Engineer, the Technician, the Quantity Surveyor, the Construction Manager, the Interior Designer, and the Business man all need to be "Outgoing" as well?

I can believe that the Craftsman, Draftsman, and Scientist does not have to be as "Outgoing" as the Architect; due to the fact that they would usually be performing the job upon command, or personally in the laboratory. However, the Engineer, the Technician, the Construction Manager, the Quantity Surveyor, the Interior Designer, and the Business man, (like the Architect), all have to be performing supervisions, interactions, and discussions with the team. (Am I correct?) 

The Architect does not seems to be the exception in here.
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well, u gotta go through it to really understand what i mean.

ask any of the current architecture students here about the "design studio", and u'll realize it's not just a classroom where u do ur work. social skills is trained and embedded into the designers as a hard skill, landscape and interior included. but technicians, engineers, const.managers etc arent trained that way. it is a soft skill that they pick up along the line.

social skills to the architect/designers is as essential as drawing skills. it's not something u can do without. try and differentiate between soft skill and hard skill, u'll understand what i mean wink.gif.
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QUOTE(azarimy @ Mar 5 2008, 09:21 PM)
well, u gotta go through it to really understand what i mean.

ask any of the current architecture students here about the "design studio", and u'll realize it's not just a classroom where u do ur work. social skills is trained and embedded into the designers as a hard skill, landscape and interior included. but technicians, engineers, const.managers etc arent trained that way. it is a soft skill that they pick up along the line.

social skills to the architect/designers is as essential as drawing skills. it's not something u can do without. try and differentiate between soft skill and hard skill, u'll understand what i mean wink.gif.
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Alright, thanks a lot...

I think that this is the problem I would have to overcome...

Edited: Replaced "conquer" with "overcome". This is not command & conquer! laugh.gif


Added on March 7, 2008, 3:15 amI would just like to know...;

How does taking a *Diploma route >>> to a Degree route* compare to taking a *Foundation route >>> to a Degree route*?

[As you all may already know, I will be taking a Diploma in Architecture first, before proceeding on to the First Degree in Architecture.]

Thanks a lot in advance.

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(After finishing Taylor's 3 years Diploma in Architecture, I am not sure for how many years will I have to study in their Part 1 Architecture Degree program [Which is a 3 years degree program by nature)...I do know that I would just have to study another year for my Part 1 if I choose the University of Melbourne for the Part 1 [Bachelor of Environments] Architecture Degree...I would get to study in the third year of the Part 1 Architecture degree in the University of Melbourne later on; with my Taylor's Diploma in Architectural Technology.)


Added on March 8, 2008, 12:55 amSorry...I have another question;

I wonder how come those three courses (below) from Taylor's University College;

1: Diploma in Architectural Technology

2: Diploma in Quantity Surveying

and the;

3: Diploma in Construction Management

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I wonder why these 3 Diplomas from Taylor's University College all twin to the same "Bachelor of Environments (Third year)" in the University of Melbourne... (Wasn't that supposed to be the Part 1 of their Architecture program?)

I am confused...

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I jz got my STPM result...
I already bought the UNIK ID from BSN..
So i wonder which local UNI is better???
and how much is the chances of getting it???
Should i try those unpopular local UNI..??

I study science stream in stpm.. physics...

How is the interview..?? i didn't take Seni during my SPM...
but i have a good sense in imagine plus drawing... especially geometric stuff..
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QUOTE(Benjamin911 @ Mar 5 2008, 03:09 PM)
I would just like to know...;

How does taking a *Diploma route >>> to a Degree route* compare to taking a *Foundation route >>> to a Degree route*?

[As you all may already know, I will be taking a Diploma in Architecture first, before proceeding on to the First Degree in Architecture.]

Thanks a lot in advance.


what would u want to compare? can u be more specific?

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(After finishing Taylor's 3 years Diploma in Architecture, I am not sure for how many years will I have to study in their Part 1 Architecture Degree program [Which is a 3 years degree program by nature)...I do know that I would just have to study another year for my Part 1 if I choose the University of Melbourne for the Part 1 [Bachelor of Environments] Architecture Degree...I would get to study in the third year of the Part 1 Architecture degree in the University of Melbourne later on; with my Taylor's Diploma in Architectural Technology.)


usually, u'll need only 1 year to finish the degree (which is part 1 equivalent, not LAM part 1) with their diploma. but i'm not sure if a degree from taylor's would warrant u to straight part 2 intake in melbourne. u wont be able to in IPTAs.

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Sorry...I have another question;

I wonder how come those three courses (below) from Taylor's University College;

1: Diploma in Architectural Technology

2: Diploma in Quantity Surveying

and the;

3: Diploma in Construction Management

I wonder why these 3 Diplomas from Taylor's University College all twin to the same "Bachelor of Environments (Third year)" in the University of Melbourne... (Wasn't that supposed to be the Part 1 of their Architecture program?)

I am confused...
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i believe their part 1 equivalent degree is called Bachelor of Science (Hons) in Architecture, not bachelor of environments. i'm not sure where u found the bachelor of environments, coz it isnt indicated in the website.

QUOTE(shinichi88 @ Mar 11 2008, 02:42 PM)
I jz got my STPM result...
I already bought the UNIK ID from BSN..
So i wonder which local UNI is better???
and how much is the chances of getting it???
Should i try those unpopular local UNI..??

I study science stream in stpm.. physics...

How is the interview..?? i didn't take Seni during my SPM...
but i have a good sense in imagine plus drawing... especially geometric stuff..
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i will avoid to answer which school is better, but i will guide u in selecting the school of architecture that best suite ur needs. there are several aspects that u might wanna consider, commonly:

i. study duration
ii. prestige and accreditation
iii. cost, location and socio-environment
iv. opportunity and potentials of its graduates

and so on. so it depends on ur criterias. it would be best if u could express them, after u've read the first page of this thread, that is wink.gif. so lets talk about this first before going into the details of the chances in getting in, the interview and what u gonna learn. some of these have already been discussed or addressed in the FAQ.
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what would u want to compare? can u be more specific?
In terms of the Architecture Academic? Will I be having a more wholesome Architecture education by taking the Diploma route >>> to the Degree route, compared to taking the foundation route >>> to the Degree route?

I would really like to know the difference.

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usually, u'll need only 1 year to finish the degree (which is part 1 equivalent, not LAM part 1) with their diploma. but i'm not sure if a degree from taylor's would warrant u to straight part 2 intake in melbourne. u wont be able to in IPTAs.
According to the Taylor's University College, yes, I would be able to go straight to the PART II in the University of Melbourne after my Part I in Taylors'. smile.gif

Thanks for your answers BTW.

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i believe their part 1 equivalent degree is called Bachelor of Science (Hons) in Architecture, not bachelor of environments. i'm not sure where u found the bachelor of environments, coz it isnt indicated in the website.
I was in reference to the University of Melbourne's Bachelor of Environments.

Why would the Quantity Surveyor and the Construction Manager students from the Taylor's University College be taking the Bachelor of Environments in the University of Melbourne as well? [Formally, I thought that the Bachelor of Environments was the Part 1 Degree for students taking the Taylor's Diploma in Architectural Technology; students who wish to get their Part 1 Degree from the University of Melbourne instead.]

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In terms of the Architecture Academic? Will I be having a more wholesome Architecture education by taking the Diploma route >>> to the Degree route, compared to taking the foundation route >>> to the Degree route?


experience wise, u would accumulate more through the diploma>degree route. u will spend atleast 6 years (3+1+2) studying architecture, and not to mention the most probably 1-2 year working experience in between them. it's not a requirement, but most universities make it a special attachment to boost ur chances into degree.

but do note that more doesnt necessarily mean better. going straight to degree has its perks. u have only one break in between, and work experience is not a requirement.

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I was in reference to the University of Melbourne's Bachelor of Environments.

Why would the Quantity Surveyor and the Construction Manager students from the Taylor's University College be taking the Bachelor of Environments in the University of Melbourne as well? Formally, I thought that the Bachelor of Environments was the Part 1 Degree for students taking the Taylor's Diploma in Architectural Technology; students who wish to get their Part 1 Degree from the University of Melbourne instead.
this, i'm not very sure. they may actually have Bachelor of Environments in Architecture, but the name wasnt mentioned in full. for example, BSc in architecture's full title is "Bachelor of Science in Architecture". so melbourne's might be BEnv in Archtiecture, BEnv in Quantity Surveying, BEnv in whateverelse.

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this, i'm not very sure. they may actually have Bachelor of Environments in Architecture, but the name wasnt mentioned in full. for example, BSc in architecture's full title is "Bachelor of Science in Architecture". so melbourne's might be BEnv in Archtiecture, BEnv in Quantity Surveying, BEnv in whateverelse.
Ahh, I see, thanks!

I was basically curious and excited to know whether will I actually be getting the chance to study some Q.S. (Quantity Surveying) subjects as well. smile.gif He he...

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experience wise, u would accumulate more through the diploma>degree route. u will spend atleast 6 years (3+1+2) studying architecture, and not to mention the most probably 1-2 year working experience in between them. it's not a requirement, but most universities make it a special attachment to boost ur chances into degree.

but do note that more doesnt necessarily mean better. going straight to degree has its perks. u have only one break in between, and work experience is not a requirement.
What!!!??? Working experience???!!!

The rest certainly sounds great.

Thanks a lot.
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QUOTE(azarimy @ Mar 11 2008, 11:42 PM)
i will avoid to answer which school is better, but i will guide u in selecting the school of architecture that best suite ur needs. there are several aspects that u might wanna consider, commonly:

i. study duration
ii. prestige and accreditation
iii. cost, location and socio-environment
iv. opportunity and potentials of its graduates

and so on. so it depends on ur criterias. it would be best if u could express them, after u've read the first page of this thread, that is wink.gif. so lets talk about this first before going into the details of the chances in getting in, the interview and what u gonna learn. some of these have already been discussed or addressed in the FAQ.
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Duration : I don mind study for how long...
prestige and accreditation : as long as the gov. and LAM acknowlegde
cost: i can find my why
location: anywhere
socio-env : whatever , i jz want to study
opportunity and potentials of its graduates : easily get job in local & overseas if can...

erm, i read through the 1st page b4...
BTW, do i need to send all my photocopies of cert, co-co and so-on, to the UNI i applied in the Online application form..?
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QUOTE(shinichi88 @ Mar 11 2008, 04:35 PM)
Duration : I don mind study for how long...
prestige and accreditation : as long as the gov. and LAM acknowlegde
cost: i can find my why
location: anywhere
socio-env : whatever , i jz want to study
opportunity and potentials of its graduates : easily get job in local & overseas if can...

erm, i read through the 1st page b4...
BTW, do i need to send all my photocopies of cert, co-co and so-on, to the UNI i applied in the Online application form..?
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in that case, ur choices are UTM, UM, USM, UIAM and UPM, in no particular order. these are the only local universities accredited with LAM part 1. if u wanna go abroad, the cost will be considerably higher, but after reaching part 2, u should hold equally recgonized qualification by LAM.




i'm not sure about the certificates. inquire with UPU, or maybe some topics here in LYN.
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QUOTE(azarimy @ Mar 12 2008, 12:44 AM)
in that case, ur choices are UTM, UM, USM, UIAM and UPM, in no particular order. these are the only local universities accredited with LAM part 1. if u wanna go abroad, the cost will be considerably higher, but after reaching part 2, u should hold equally recgonized qualification by LAM.
i'm not sure about the certificates. inquire with UPU, or maybe some topics here in LYN.
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I think i jz have to pray hard and read something on arch.
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I've got my STPM results and my cgpa overall is 2.67 which is pretty low. Is it still possible for me to get a place in the local uni?

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QUOTE(azarimy @ Mar 12 2008, 12:44 AM)
in that case, ur choices are UTM, UM, USM, UIAM and UPM, in no particular order. these are the only local universities accredited with LAM part 1. if u wanna go abroad, the cost will be considerably higher, but after reaching part 2, u should hold equally recgonized qualification by LAM.
i'm not sure about the certificates. inquire with UPU, or maybe some topics here in LYN.
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Wait, that means you do something like 3 years in a public uni for the Part I and transfer abroad for Part II?

Burga - who is leaning heavily towards engineering at Purdue but will not make the final decision until all options are on his table and wants to see what his pretty decent STPM scores can get him.
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Azarimy, regarding about the Diploma in Architecture, I am still pretty unsure;

Earlier you told me that taking a Diploma in Architecture to prepare myself for the Degree is indeed going to provide me with a more solid foundation in Architecture, compared to just taking the typical one year Degree Foundation program; because I would be having a total of six formal years of Architectural education overall when I take the Diploma route.

However, I just realized that I would also be having six formal years of Architectural education if I take the Foundation route.

Foundation (1 year) > Part 1 Degree program (3 years) > Part 2 Degree program (2 years). The total will also be 6 years like the Diploma route.

You see, the characteristics are like that;

If I take the Diploma route, I would be studying for 3 years in the Diploma program, which would then bring me on to the final year of the Part 1 degree later on; the total duration for my Part 1 would be 4 years. Finally, the Part 2 Degree will be taking another 2 years further on. (The total would be 6 years of Architectural education.)

If I take the Degree route instead, I would be studying for 1 year in the Foundation program, which would then bring me on to the 3 years Part 1 Degree program later on; the total duration for my Part 1 would also be 4 years. Finally, the Part 2 Degree will be taking another 2 years further on. (The total would also be 6 years of Architectural education.)

Look at that, both paths are having the same six years!

So once again, I would like to ask the question that have been bugging me;

What is the difference if I study the 3 years Diploma and take the final year of the Part 1 degree, compared to taking the 1 year Foundation for the 3 years (Part 1) degree? (2 versions of Part 1 that takes the same 4 years, which one is better?)

I am very curious on this.

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For one, by taking the Foundation route, you spend one year less overseas, which you may want to consider if you are concerned about financial cost.
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Hey, must Architecture students be hectic?
Sometimes, I wonder why they don't let us much time for some works. Erm, is it the same when we are working outside?
I soemtimes really don't agree with soem tutors, but I couldn't do anything as they don't even want to listen. I also found that some of them are very mean, and discouraging. They tend to give themselves excuses , saying that we should have beared with comments , as when you work outside, you will face the same. I can understand that. But don't you think they should not discourage so much, as it would be better to encourage people and make them more aware of their creativity ?

For example, I do have tutors they will say " i think you should stop now, I don't really want to listen to you" to their students . And this kind of tutors are not few. Sometimes, I really think they are mean. I just wonder why they want to be so discouraged, Aza, would you be like that?! hehe..I know it's still up to us if we choose to listen to them or not. But sometimes found that in school, we are learning, we should have more opportunies to learn through mistakes. We could have done wrongly as we are stiull new to a lot . if they don't even want to listen to us ,can they enlighten us by pointing our mistakes? and could we learn from our mistakes ? as we don't even have chance to finish our words or sentence.we do not know what happened and do not really what mistakes we have done.

I think some of them are favorism, once tehy have some kind of mindset, it's hard to convince, they will stop you anytime when you are trying to convince, it's even hard for those whose llanguage are not really good.

I just want to know if it is all the same in every schools of archi. I thought they should let us to enjoy and be interested or faith in what we are doing. I am not saying they should not give comments , but i think they should be more diplomatic. A simple manner... to let people finish their words .

Have a nice day-

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For one, by taking the Foundation route, you spend one year less overseas, which you may want to consider if you are concerned about financial cost.
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BurgaFlippinMan, Taylor's Diploma students can also choose to study locally;

If I am not mistaken, students taking the Taylor's Diploma in Architectural Technology program can also choose to obtain their Part 1 (Bachelor [Hons] of Science in Architecture) from the Taylor's University College itself, or (The Bachelor of Environments) from the University of Melbourne. (They have two options.)

Education is so fun yeah?

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QUOTE(*serenity* @ Mar 12 2008, 01:43 AM)
I've got my STPM results and my cgpa overall is 2.67 which is pretty low. Is it still possible for me to get a place in the local uni?

Thanks
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well, we have taken 2.50 in the past with an excellent portfolio. but to tell u the truth, there are alot of applicants with pointers around 2.70, so u really need to have an impressive portfolio to stand a chance of getting into an architecture course in an IPTA. however, if u mean ANY local university, then IPTS is still an option for u.


Added on March 12, 2008, 7:20 pm
QUOTE(BurgaFlippinMan @ Mar 12 2008, 02:33 AM)
Wait, that means you do something like 3 years in a public uni for the Part I and transfer abroad for Part II?

Burga - who is leaning heavily towards engineering at Purdue but will not make the final decision until all options are on his table and wants to see what his pretty decent STPM scores can get him.
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yes. it means exactly that.


Added on March 12, 2008, 7:28 pm
QUOTE(Benjamin911 @ Mar 12 2008, 03:38 AM)
Azarimy, regarding about the Diploma in Architecture, I am still pretty unsure;

Earlier you told me that taking a Diploma in Architecture to prepare myself for the Degree is indeed going to provide me with a more solid foundation in Architecture, compared to just taking the typical one year Degree Foundation program; because I would be having a total of six formal years of Architectural education overall when I take the Diploma route.

However, I just realized that I would also be having six formal years of Architectural education if I take the Foundation route.

Foundation (1 year) > Part 1 Degree program (3 years) > Part 2 Degree program (2 years). The total will also be 6 years like the Diploma route.

You see, the characteristics are like that;

If I take the Diploma route, I would be studying for 3 years in the Diploma program, which would then bring me on to the final year of the Part 1 degree later on; the total duration for my Part 1 would be 4 years. Finally, the Part 2 Degree will be taking another 2 years further on. (The total would be 6 years of Architectural education.)

If I take the Degree route instead, I would be studying for 1 year in the Foundation program, which would then bring me on to the 3 years Part 1 Degree program later on; the total duration for my Part 1 would also be 4 years. Finally, the Part 2 Degree will be taking another 2 years further on. (The total would also be 6 years of Architectural education.)

Look at that, both paths are having the same six years!

So once again, I would like to ask the question that have been bugging me;

What is the difference if I study the 3 years Diploma and take the final year of the Part 1 degree, compared to taking the 1 year Foundation for the 3 years (Part 1) degree? (2 versions of Part 1 that takes the same 4 years, which one is better?)

I am very curious on this.
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the argument here is about whether foundation is recognized as part of architecture education or not.

commonly in any universities local or abroad, foundation programme is just another pre-university programme. u're not engaged in anything substantial that would contribute to ur education in architecture. despite what the programme provider would say, foundation programmes did not attempt to do what the 1st year in architecture supposed to do - alignment, leveling the playing field etc (stuff that i've mentioned a few pages back).

so what do u learn in foundation? an introduction to all the basics. that's about it. they introduce to u: here's how u use a pencil. stop. here's how u use a computer. stop. there's no applied skills involved. architecture courses do not need foundation courses bcoz there's nothing to bridge between SPM/O-levels and the 1st year of architecture. u will learn totally new stuff from O-levels. heck, most architecture academics believe that u could start architecture after PMR, bcoz virtually nothing in SPM will contribute to ur education as an architect!

hence why foundations was never included in the total year of studying architecture. it is just a method of standardizing architecture education so that it complies with the other courses. sad, but true. we have been assimilated with the rest! biggrin.gif


Added on March 12, 2008, 7:56 pm
QUOTE(Jia0924 @ Mar 12 2008, 06:28 AM)
Hey, must Architecture students be hectic?
Sometimes, I wonder why they don't let us much time for some works. Erm, is it the same when we are working outside?
I soemtimes really don't agree with soem tutors, but I couldn't do anything as they don't even want to listen. I also found that some of them are very mean, and discouraging. They tend to give themselves excuses , saying that we should have beared with comments , as when you work outside, you will face the same. I can understand that. But don't you think they should not discourage so much, as it would be better to encourage people and make them more aware of their creativity ?

For example, I do have tutors they will say " i think you should stop now, I don't really want to listen to you" to their students . And this kind of tutors are not few. Sometimes, I really think they are mean. I just wonder why they want to be so discouraged, Aza, would you be like that?! hehe..I know it's still up to us if we choose to listen to them or not. But sometimes found that in school, we are learning, we should have more opportunies to learn through mistakes. We could have done wrongly as we are stiull new to a lot . if they don't even want to listen to us ,can they enlighten us by pointing our mistakes? and could we learn from our mistakes ? as we don't even have chance to finish our words or sentence.we do not know what happened and do not really what mistakes we have done.

I think some of them are favorism, once tehy have some kind of mindset, it's hard to convince, they will stop you anytime when you are trying to convince, it's even hard for those whose llanguage are not really good.

I just want to know if it is  all the same in every schools of archi. I thought they should let us to enjoy and be interested or faith in what we are doing. I am not saying they should not give comments , but i think they should be more diplomatic. A simple manner... to let people finish their words  . 

Have a nice day-
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have u watch any reality TV shows? especially those with judges that comments on participants? like american idol, strictly come dancing, x-factor, dragon's den/american inventor or stuff like that? i u havent, then u should. i particularly recommend dragon's den (BBC), bcoz it greatly resembles what architects face on a daily basis. find em. torrent them down if u have to. find dragon's den. this goes to all of u architecture students!

responding to the matters u've raised, there are generally two school of thoughts amongst the academics here. those who believe that rigorous training would make u buck up and be stronger - something ur tutors seem to subscribe to; and those who believe that nurturing is the best way to build a character. i am a combination of both, and i do incline on the rigor.

if u watch those reality TV shows, u often see people with absolutely no talent, and just armed with their beliefs that they are good enough. they came infront of the judges and sing. it was crap. everyone could see it. it takes somebody like simon cowell to bluntly give it to them that they are not good enough. he knows, coz he has seen thousands of others like them. this is similar in architecture: most tutors are experienced enough to know that certain designs just couldnt go anywhere. yes, the design maybe new to u, but it's not to the architecture as a whole. this is the big dilemma here.

students may pickup something relatively new to his knowledge, but absolutely obsolete in terms of architecture. tutors come by, and tell u that u're not going anywhere with that design. should u seek to improve and challenge his beliefs, or do u agree with him and venture into another path instead?

ofcourse, this could be approached in a diplomatic way. i believe so too. but there are times i just had to smack u in the face so that u would accept the fact that there are things u just DONT do. it's not bcoz nobody have thought about doing it, it's bcoz people have tried AND FAILED!

architecture students also need to be strong. in architecture, u dont learn theories that much as compared to other courses. in architecture, u'll learn architecture by simulating the real practice environment. the studio greatly resembles the office, as do the tutors=clients/bosses. if u expect things will be easier once u've graduated, u'd be wrong. graduation is just the beginning...



with all that said, u have to think about what is being said, and not how it is said. that's the best advice i could give u. the best practice is to record the conversation/crit/assessment/presentation, and transcribe it all in words. then u read it again, without any intonations. flat and straightforward. u'll realize that most comments are valid, but they are just not delivered in a most receivable way.

u can ask justin here of how i teach. i often let my students go out on a leash. like kites on a string. if u stray too far, i'll pull u down. if u're good, i'll let go more strings so that u can climb higher. i've made this approach so clear that alot of the tutors in UTM agreed to adopt it as a teaching method. i'm halfway towards my plan to dominate the world!

here's a book, written by my supervisor, that will assist u in getting through the crits.

The Crit: An Architectural Students' Handbook by Charles Doidge, Rosie Parnell and Rachel Sara (2004).

i believe most architecture school would have this book in their libraries.


Added on March 12, 2008, 7:57 pm
QUOTE(Benjamin911 @ Mar 12 2008, 08:50 AM)
BurgaFlippinMan, Taylor's Diploma students can also choose to study locally;

If I am not mistaken, students taking the Taylor's Diploma in Architectural Technology program can also choose to obtain their Part 1 (Bachelor [Hons] of Science in Architecture) from the Taylor's University College itself, or (The Bachelor of Environments) from the University of Melbourne. (They have two options.)

Education is so fun yeah?

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ARCHITECTURE education is fun.

u dont get this kind of flexibility in most other courses wink.gif.

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today spm result just out, my question is how much are the requirement to enter architectural course in IPTA now? any spm leavers know? is it still based on merit?

btw thanks azarimy for very useful FAQ.
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QUOTE(*serenity* @ Mar 12 2008, 09:43 AM)
I've got my STPM results and my cgpa overall is 2.67 which is pretty low. Is it still possible for me to get a place in the local uni?

Thanks
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do more architecture studies in this month .
i am 2.92 , my friend is 2.7x . and most of us are 2.9-3.2 range .
just put utm as ur first choice , or else they wont call u up for interview .

my friend got 3.5 , i got 2.9 . i appeal to come utm , my friend no need appeal also got the interview . in the end i got the course and my friend didnt get anything at all although he went to usm and utm for interview . u really need to do well in ur interview .
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QUOTE(malayneum @ Mar 12 2008, 12:01 PM)
today spm result just out,  my question is how much are the requirement to enter architectural course in IPTA now? any spm leavers know? is it still based on merit?

btw thanks azarimy for very useful FAQ.
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if u're looking for a degree, then u still have another step to go -> pre-university. it means STPM, matrics, foundation, a-levels etc. but if u do plan to join an IPTA, then u're limited to STPM and matrics only.

intake requirements in architecture is always based on merit. there're no more race based quotas. for example in UTM we would rather not fill the empty spaces with below average students, and let the seat be empty to be filled by diploma students or polytechnics. the requirement itself is pretty low. u just need 2.00 in STPM to apply. but to get in, u need atleast 3.00 to stand a good chance. anything below that, u must hold a good portfolio and pray for a smooth interview.



with SPM u could also go through the less popular path: diploma or polytechnic (diploma or certificate).
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perghh..v2 sudah

aaa...wanna ask 2 question

what book/website can i refer to research about Frank Llyod Wright?other than wiki

what book/website can i refer to get floor plan,section of a bungalow made by famous architect or firm?

thnx in adv
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I understand , but i think most of the time , we do think of what the tutors had told us. We do think of that but our execuation may not be so good to show. it doesn't mean that we don't have that kinf of knowledge. I know architecture is always about how to express and apply what we think on what we have done. This is what we are learning. But don't you think it would be better if tutors could let us finish words first and then just point out our weakness.For example .tell us why we shouldn't show like that, how we could show that. Because what I think is tutors they sometimes, don't even know we have that kind of knowledge ,and then thier comments make us really in dilemma by giving again some advices that we have actually thought about that , but this is still the result we got. Some how , i found taht those comments really make us confused and don't know what's wrong with our things.
Example, we may think a lot like ..".1. fact 2 fact 3 fact "to design a book
Every part of the book, we considered a lot and come out with a design . When presenting , we just got to say two sentences like " this book is designated for chilren and some parents, this is because in 1819 we ..." the tutor suddenly stopped you and said " i don't wnat to listen to u as i don't see what you ahve told " Don't you think it's really unfair to us. don't you think it's mean? Honestly some of my tutors were liek that, I met some , too.

You know, when tutor said " i think u should stop now, i don't want to listen to you , I don't see what you have just said from teh thing you have shown" i really think tht this kind of comments are not really useful enough, don't u think so?It is just the same like I could say " I hate your work , i don't see what you intedn to design" I really feel tht that is unfair .As in , Don't you think it would be betetr , if I let you finish your words, and I gave you comment like " I can understand , you do not have to finsih so long story but this part i don't think it shows clearly as i think it would be better if you could use some otehr methoid to show because to me now, this part is showing " ....." " this kind of comment, don't you think it's mroe useful and make sense ? I MEAN to say that the comments should always come out with a reason and a suggestion " It would be only fair if it's like that
Not only our works have to convince them i think their comments somehow have to convince us as well.

Have a nice day~


Added on March 12, 2008, 10:53 pmAza, your example " the singing competition" makes sense . Thanks. I do like Simon .
THANKS smile.gif
I understand more about the tutors' teaching method now . Thanks .smile.gif
Anyway, Archi is fun in the sense of learning to deal alot with the communication and thought , the way you speak , the way you act , the way you apply , i think . It's not like study and study . Yes, we do have to study but something tht you have found from the book doesn't really mean it can fix the current problem that you face.

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QUOTE(kazasho @ Mar 12 2008, 08:29 PM)
perghh..v2 sudah

aaa...wanna ask 2 question

what book/website can i refer to research about Frank Llyod Wright?other than wiki

what book/website can i refer to get floor plan,section of a bungalow made by famous architect or firm?

thnx in adv
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there are books. I have seen a very expensive book that contains all the drawings of FLW famous works. Forgot the title though.
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QUOTE(Jia0924 @ Mar 12 2008, 10:47 PM)
Hi,
I understand , but i think most of the time , we do think of what the tutors had told us. We do think of that but our execuation may not be so good to show. it doesn't mean that we don't have that kinf of knowledge. I know architecture is always about how to express  and apply what we think on what we have done. This is what we are learning. But don't you think it would be better if tutors could let us finish words first and then just point out our weakness.For example .tell us  why we shouldn't show like that, how we could show that. Because what I think is tutors they sometimes, don't even know we have that kind of knowledge ,and then thier comments make us really in dilemma  by giving again some advices that we have actually thought about that , but this is still the result we got. Some how , i found taht those comments  really make us confused and don't know  what's wrong with our things.
Example, we may think a lot like ..".1. fact 2 fact 3 fact "to design a book
Every part of the book, we considered a lot and come out with a design . When presenting , we just got to say two sentences like " this book is designated for chilren and some parents, this is because in 1819 we ..." the tutor suddenly stopped you and said " i don't wnat to listen to u as i don't see what you ahve told " Don't you think it's really unfair to us. don't you think it's mean? Honestly some of my tutors were liek that, I met some , too.

You know, when tutor said " i think u should stop now, i don't want to listen to you , I don't see what you have just said  from teh thing you have shown" i really think tht this kind of comments are not really useful enough, don't u think so?It is just the same like  I could say " I hate your work , i don't see what you intedn to design" I really feel tht that is unfair .As in ,  Don't you think it would be betetr , if I let you finish your words, and I gave you comment like " I can understand , you do not have to finsih so long story but this part i don't think it shows clearly as i think it would be better if you could use some otehr methoid to show because to me now, this part is showing " ....."   " this kind of comment, don't you think it's mroe useful and make sense ? I MEAN to say that the comments should always come out with a reason and a suggestion " It would be only fair if it's like that
Not only our works have to convince them i think their comments somehow have to convince us as well.

Have a nice day~


Added on March 12, 2008, 10:53 pmAza, your example " the singing competition" makes sense . Thanks. I do like Simon .
THANKS smile.gif
I understand more about the tutors' teaching method now . Thanks .smile.gif
Anyway, Archi is  fun in the sense of learning to deal alot with the communication and thought , the way you speak , the way you act , the way you apply , i think . It's not like study and study . Yes, we do have to study but something tht you have found from the book doesn't really mean it can fix the current problem that you face.
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The way you form opinions regarding the lecturers already show that you are maturing towards a personality that can't be easily formed from other courses. You have already achieved something there, fellow architect-wannabe wink.gif


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QUOTE(kazasho @ Mar 12 2008, 08:29 PM)
perghh..v2 sudah

aaa...wanna ask 2 question

what book/website can i refer to research about Frank Llyod Wright?other than wiki

what book/website can i refer to get floor plan,section of a bungalow made by famous architect or firm?

thnx in adv
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I would imagine it's so easy to get books about him in major bookstores. It's not like he's an unknown. How bout your library?


Added on March 13, 2008, 12:24 am
QUOTE(BurgaFlippinMan @ Mar 12 2008, 10:33 AM)
Wait, that means you do something like 3 years in a public uni for the Part I and transfer abroad for Part II?

Burga - who is leaning heavily towards engineering at Purdue but will not make the final decision until all options are on his table and wants to see what his pretty decent STPM scores can get him.
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What the heck lah...Purdue is one of the best engineering universities in the world~! And it's in the US~!! And you got a freaking scholarship~!!! What are you unsure about?!!!!

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I heart architecture....

How did I make my choice to be in this course?
click jingle.experience.capture.share! -simple explanation about the route

It has always been my choice and I am enjoying it...

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do more architecture studies in this month .
i am 2.92 , my friend is 2.7x . and most of us are 2.9-3.2 range .
just put utm as ur first choice , or else they wont call u up for interview .

my friend got 3.5 , i got 2.9 . i appeal to come utm , my friend no need appeal also got the interview . in the end i got the course and my friend didnt get anything at all although he went to usm and utm for interview . u really need to do well in ur interview .
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Thanks

Anyway, why did you say 'put utm as the first choice or else they wont call u up for interview'? Does it make any difference to which uni I put as my first choice?

And may I know what kind of questions did they ask you?

Thanks smile.gif

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Thanks

Anyway, why did you say 'put utm as the first choice or else they wont call u up for interview'? Does it make any difference to which uni I put as my first choice?

And may I know what kind of questions did they ask you?

Thanks smile.gif
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hmm i also put utm as my first choice.... and i dont see ukm offering it. am i wronG? anyone see ukm offering architect???
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QUOTE(*serenity* @ Mar 13 2008, 11:36 AM)
Thanks

Anyway, why did you say 'put utm as the first choice or else they wont call u up for interview'? Does it make any difference to which uni I put as my first choice?

And may I know what kind of questions did they ask you?

Thanks smile.gif
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QUOTE(WinnieH @ Mar 13 2008, 11:41 AM)
hmm i also put utm as my first choice.... and i dont see ukm offering it. am i wronG? anyone see ukm offering architect???
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well , UKM DO OFFER Architecture Course if i am not mistaken as my classmate has been there for interview session . probably you have missed the UKM architecture thing as sometimes they might type is other words .

as for the UTM , yes . The whole 2007 admission , my batch , everyone put UTM as their first choice EXCEPT me . i put it at 2nd choice , so i have to use the 2nd route , that is to appeal for interviewing session .
most of the students here who got the interview got into UTM basically has been to USM or UKM to perform their interviewing session .

the interview might be formal or not formal .
it all depends on who interview you, dont htink they are going to kill u in the interview . i used to think that . hehehe . the thing is , the interview is just to check out are you the type of person who can really study in this course . Well , Drawing is NOT a nessesary , but u must be really average in drawing , at lease can draw something simple in shape . but the most important thing of the drawing is to the 3d thin that can be seen .

some interviewers might just ask or scold you to see what type of person you are , USM interviewers got the most complaints among my frineds . somme might just ask u something about normal stuff , liek u sit in the room witht he interview , and he would ask you , 'how do you think we should renovate this room' ? . but the most biasa one is ask u something aobut what do u choose architecture . anyway , the most basic thing u must prepare for the architecture interview based on what i know .

1-why do you want to be an architects ?
2-who is your favorite architect ? why ? name 2 of it's architecture ?
3-name 2 local architects and 2 foreign architects you know ? at least 2 reasons why you know them . name 2 of each of their design/work.


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Hi,
I understand , but i think most of the time , we do think of what the tutors had told us. We do think of that but our execuation may not be so good to show. it doesn't mean that we don't have that kinf of knowledge. I know architecture is always about how to express  and apply what we think on what we have done. This is what we are learning. But don't you think it would be better if tutors could let us finish words first and then just point out our weakness.For example .tell us  why we shouldn't show like that, how we could show that. Because what I think is tutors they sometimes, don't even know we have that kind of knowledge ,and then thier comments make us really in dilemma  by giving again some advices that we have actually thought about that , but this is still the result we got. Some how , i found taht those comments  really make us confused and don't know  what's wrong with our things.
Example, we may think a lot like ..".1. fact 2 fact 3 fact "to design a book
Every part of the book, we considered a lot and come out with a design . When presenting , we just got to say two sentences like " this book is designated for chilren and some parents, this is because in 1819 we ..." the tutor suddenly stopped you and said " i don't wnat to listen to u as i don't see what you ahve told " Don't you think it's really unfair to us. don't you think it's mean? Honestly some of my tutors were liek that, I met some , too.

You know, when tutor said " i think u should stop now, i don't want to listen to you , I don't see what you have just said  from teh thing you have shown" i really think tht this kind of comments are not really useful enough, don't u think so?It is just the same like  I could say " I hate your work , i don't see what you intedn to design" I really feel tht that is unfair .As in ,  Don't you think it would be betetr , if I let you finish your words, and I gave you comment like " I can understand , you do not have to finsih so long story but this part i don't think it shows clearly as i think it would be better if you could use some otehr methoid to show because to me now, this part is showing " ....."   " this kind of comment, don't you think it's mroe useful and make sense ? I MEAN to say that the comments should always come out with a reason and a suggestion " It would be only fair if it's like that
Not only our works have to convince them i think their comments somehow have to convince us as well.

Have a nice day~


Added on March 12, 2008, 10:53 pmAza, your example " the singing competition" makes sense . Thanks. I do like Simon .
THANKS smile.gif
I understand more about the tutors' teaching method now . Thanks .smile.gif
Anyway, Archi is  fun in the sense of learning to deal alot with the communication and thought , the way you speak , the way you act , the way you apply , i think . It's not like study and study . Yes, we do have to study but something tht you have found from the book doesn't really mean it can fix the current problem that you face.
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u know, this whole issue between the tutor and the student in architecture/design studio have been debated in the academic world since 1960s. most popular is the protocols of quist and petra by Schon, where petra, a pragmatic, enthusiastic female student, found herself climbing a very steep hill when trying to go against petra, the very experienced yet self centred tutor. this protocol have been used as a reference worldwide, and a lot have been written about it.

yes, the academics do acknowledge the fact that there are such people in abundance, but it is currently the norm. we cant have pleasing tutors dominating the school, bcoz it will create a whole bunch of lame students who only study and study, but not improving themselves. to put it simply, we accept the existence of hard tutors bcoz we acknowledge the need of their harsh methods to become the hammer for most students.

maybe u should come to the bartlett where i used to study. the hard tutors are literally 95% of the line-up. so imagine if 10-12 of them decides to come to YOUR presentation... hehehe.




anyways, i do agree with clayclws. if u start noticing these issues early on, u will have ample time to tune and improve urself against such elements. this is not something u can teach. i mean, how do u lecture students about "how to become a good cyclist?" - you cant. each student MUST learn to cycle themselves, and then improve their technique as they go along practicing. there's no other way around it.

that's why architecture is known to adopt very practical teaching method. think about it. how many lectures do u have compared to the studio? about 50%, isnt it? in UTM we have 60%. that's huge compared to other courses which are 80% lectures and tests.


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QUOTE(*serenity* @ Mar 13 2008, 03:36 AM)
Thanks

Anyway, why did you say 'put utm as the first choice or else they wont call u up for interview'? Does it make any difference to which uni I put as my first choice?

And may I know what kind of questions did they ask you?

Thanks smile.gif
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because of overwhelmingly huge numbers of students applying for architecture in UTM, we have the luxury to only choose those who put UTM as the first choice for the interview. but this is not always so.

u see, last two intakes, there are lots of top achievers applying to UTM, and all of them put UTM as 1st choice. now, if u're a slightly less than spectacular and put 2nd or 3rd choice, there's a huge chance u wont even make it to the interview session.

what i'm trying to say is, it's not the system, but situation. if for example this year not many people put UTM as first choice, then we can go to 2nd, 3rd or even 8th choice, if we still couldnt find the best candidate. so it depends on those applying with u. few ways ontop of my head to help u boost ur chances:

i. convince them all to NOT apply for UTM.
ii. convince them to put UTM as 4th choice and above.
iii. kill them all off...

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Is it possible to change from diploma (taylors) to the new arch. degree in taylors?
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Is it possible to change from diploma (taylors) to the new arch. degree in taylors?
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what do u mean by "change"?

i. do u mean top-up? meaning finishing off 3 year diploma, and then do 1 year degree?

ii. or do u mean change ur current diploma into degree?

if the answer is ii, then several other question comes to mind. what is ur current status right now? what year are u in? what qualifications do u hold prior to ur diploma?
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Azarimy, thanks for your earlier responses to my post regarding the diploma and degree matter...

Based on your this statement;

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that's why architecture is known to adopt very practical teaching method. think about it. how many lectures do u have compared to the studio? about 50%, isnt it? in UTM we have 60%. that's huge compared to other courses which are 80% lectures and tests.
I am curious to know what is the "Studio" all about, does it only involves model making/arts & crafts or does it also involves the other respect of Architecture as well; such as the drawing designing aspect? What does the "Studio" actually includes?

I am just curious to know since apparently the "Studio" seems to take up a large portion of the Architecture curriculum. smile.gif

Thanks a lot in advance.


Added on March 14, 2008, 1:02 amOh yeah, I also have another question to ask (If you don't mind wink.gif);

What would the Architecture students be doing the most in their Architecture education?

What would Architecture students be doing in the course, would they be performing a lot of floor plan designing, working drawing production, building technology study, building drawing/design using the computer, building drawing/design using the pencil, and dream building designing? Would Architecture students also be performing a lot of building designing using their mind, creativity, and imagination?

The whole reason why I want to study Architecture is because I am very interested in the constructions, the development, the build environment, and in the buildings and cities. I want to get involve in the construction and development of buildings, and plan the build environment for the benefit/betterment of mankind as well.

I want to build a better tomorrow for mankind.

It is not just "I want, or I desire", but I am also "Excited" about it!

This is the whole reason why I want to study Architecture.

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QUOTE(Benjamin911 @ Mar 13 2008, 04:33 PM)
Azarimy, thanks for your earlier responses to my post regarding the diploma and degree matter...

Based on your this statement;
I am curious to know what is the "Studio" all about, does it only involves model making/arts & crafts or does it also involves the other respect of Architecture as well; such as the drawing designing aspect? What does the "Studio" actually includes?

I am just curious to know since apparently the "Studio" seems to take up a large portion of the Architecture curriculum. smile.gif

Thanks a lot in advance.


the studio could be referring to two things:

i. the studio facility (physical space); or
ii. the learning method (system of education)

lets not get in too deep, bcoz i could ramble long and hard about the studio, as it is quickly becoming my focus in my research.

the studio as a physical space is where students in design initiate, develop and produce designs. it has the characteristics of three common elements that we can find in schools: classroom + laboratory + workshop. it is a classroom bcoz it is where u learn, meet up with ur tutors and discuss matters that relates to virtually anything. it is a workshop bcoz it is where u experiment - exploring, finding, testing, solving etc. it is a workshop bcoz it is where u produce the end product through a process of rigor.

however, it could not be independently one of those either. it cannot be only a classroom bcoz learning is not tutor oriented, and most of the time students learn by themselves or amongst peers - something that does not happen in normal classrooms. it is not just a laboratory, bcoz it is also where students socialize, chat, lepak, do weird stuff, have unsafe unprotected liberal sex and so on. it is not just a workshop bcoz u dont just produce, u explore and develop a product that is merely an idea of the final design (as in the real building).

as a learning method, the studio is a self-centered education system, quite unlike the common classroom. designers are involved constantly in a dialogue - either amongst friends, tutors, experts or even to their own self, the drawings, designs etc. what goes on in the studio is a process commonly known as the design process. students engage the brief provided by the tutors from the beginning of the project, explore the brief, expand the ideas, seek the problems and issues, and solve them - and not necessarily in that order. it's a cycle of thoughts that will eventually dominate how the architect thinks.

this system is used in virtually everything in the life of the architect. hence why all architects has the ability to dissect or reverse engineer any designs given to them. it also deliberately increase ur IQ. if u dont believe me, u can take an IQ test right before u start architecture. by the end of ur studies, u'll gain a considerable increase definitely.



so what do the students do in the studio? everything. it's where u live. it's ur nest, ur incubator and ur launch platform. what is in the studio? everything. it can range between tables and chairs for each students, but more often is that students will bring their own furnitures etc to make it their home - sometimes even bed. u'll be spending atleast 70% of ur time awake in the studio throughout ur studies. so what does a studio look like? here are some examples in UTM:

user posted image

the studio is both formal and informal space. it's very similar to working in ur own room, it's just u get to hangout with ur friends (or girlfriendS) at the same time. tongue.gif

user posted image

and yes, it is also where u construct models, build sculptures, design and so on. do note that each cubicle is a space big enough for 4 students. the girl above apparently is dominating the entire cubicle for her.

user posted image

and who says u can only study at the table? on the table also can, nobody's gonna stop u.

user posted image

yes, it is where u sleep!

user posted image

lepak, mabuk2, main gitar, engage in homo-erotic male-bondings etc... tongue.gif

user posted image

and yes, it can be formal as well.

user posted image

and finally, at the end of the day, it is also where u pin up ur handiworks to be scrutinized by the juries. this happens on a weekly basis, usually called a crit, tutorial, demo and so on. it is where put whatever u've done, and we'll talk whether u've achieved ur objectives or not, ur weaknesses and strength and what to do next.



this should give u an idea what the studio is, and how it is central to the life of the architect - from student till a master.
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well , UKM DO OFFER Architecture Course if i am not mistaken as my classmate has been there for interview session . probably you have missed the UKM architecture thing as sometimes they might type is other words .

as for the UTM , yes . The whole 2007 admission , my batch , everyone put UTM as their first choice EXCEPT me . i put it at 2nd choice , so i have to use the 2nd route , that is to appeal for interviewing session .
most of the students here who got the interview got into UTM basically has been to USM or UKM to perform their interviewing session .

the interview might be formal or not formal .
it all depends on who interview you, dont htink they are going to kill u in the interview . i used to think that . hehehe . the thing is , the interview is just to check out are you the type of person who can really study in this course . Well , Drawing is NOT a nessesary , but u must be really average in drawing , at lease can draw something simple in shape . but the most important thing of the drawing is to the 3d thin that can be seen .

some interviewers might just ask or scold you to see what type of person you are , USM interviewers got the most complaints among my frineds . somme might just ask u something about normal stuff , liek u sit in the room witht he interview , and he would ask you , 'how do you think we should renovate this room' ? . but the most biasa one is ask u something aobut what do u choose architecture . anyway , the most basic thing u must prepare for the architecture interview based on what i know .

1-why do you want to be an architects ?
2-who is your favorite architect ? why ? name 2 of it's architecture ?
3-name 2 local architects and 2 foreign architects you know ? at least 2 reasons why you know them . name 2 of each of their design/work.
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Thanks BridgestoneRE711 and Azarimy...
Just hope that I'm in luck...

Anyway BridgestoneRE711, you said you appealed right? Did you go for the interview at the same time as the first batch or...? When was your interview? Thanks

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What the heck lah...Purdue is one of the best engineering universities in the world~! And it's in the US~!! And you got a freaking scholarship~!!! What are you unsure about?!!!!


I know I know! I'm like 98 to 99% sure...but since I don't have to inform them until May, i'm the kind of guy who likes an escape clause, relevant or not. tongue.gif but yes, what you said is exactly what everyone i know is screaming at me too..

But anyway I submitted my applications for architecture at UTM just for the hell of it, since I already sat for the silly STPM and my stupid school extorted the money for the UPU pin code from me by holding the whole class's payment hostage (regardless of whether I even intended to apply for public universities or not). tongue.gif

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Thanks BridgestoneRE711 and Azarimy...
Just hope that I'm in luck...

Anyway BridgestoneRE711, you said you appealed right? Did you go for the interview at the same time as the first batch or...? When was your interview? Thanks
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well , i am with the same batch with the first batch interview .
the first batch got the interview letter , i but i got the letter telling me that i have not chosen for the interview . so via contact to UTM administration, i am able to appeal for the interview . thanks for mr.azarimy, mr.xtracooljustin and my dad who have given me so much guides in getting the interview and passed the interview .
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QUOTE(azarimy @ Mar 14 2008, 04:31 AM)
the studio could be referring to two things:

i. the studio facility (physical space); or
ii. the learning method (system of education)

lets not get in too deep, bcoz i could ramble long and hard about the studio, as it is quickly becoming my focus in my research.

the studio as a physical space is where students in design initiate, develop and produce designs. it has the characteristics of three common elements that we can find in schools: classroom + laboratory + workshop. it is a classroom bcoz it is where u learn, meet up with ur tutors and discuss matters that relates to virtually anything. it is a workshop bcoz it is where u experiment - exploring, finding, testing, solving etc. it is a workshop bcoz it is where u produce the end product through a process of rigor.

however, it could not be independently one of those either. it cannot be only a classroom bcoz learning is not tutor oriented, and most of the time students learn by themselves or amongst peers - something that does not happen in normal classrooms. it is not just a laboratory, bcoz it is also where students socialize, chat, lepak, do weird stuff, have unsafe unprotected liberal sex and so on. it is not just a workshop bcoz u dont just produce, u explore and develop a product that is merely an idea of the final design (as in the real building).

as a learning method, the studio is a self-centered education system, quite unlike the common classroom. designers are involved constantly in a dialogue - either amongst friends, tutors, experts or even to their own self, the drawings, designs etc. what goes on in the studio is a process commonly known as the design process. students engage the brief provided by the tutors from the beginning of the project, explore the brief, expand the ideas, seek the problems and issues, and solve them - and not necessarily in that order. it's a cycle of thoughts that will eventually dominate how the architect thinks.

this system is used in virtually everything in the life of the architect. hence why all architects has the ability to dissect or reverse engineer any designs given to them. it also deliberately increase ur IQ. if u dont believe me, u can take an IQ test right before u start architecture. by the end of ur studies, u'll gain a considerable increase definitely.
so what do the students do in the studio? everything. it's where u live. it's ur nest, ur incubator and ur launch platform. what is in the studio? everything. it can range between tables and chairs for each students, but more often is that students will bring their own furnitures etc to make it their home - sometimes even bed. u'll be spending atleast 70% of ur time awake in the studio throughout ur studies. so what does a studio look like? here are some examples in UTM:

user posted image

the studio is both formal and informal space. it's very similar to working in ur own room, it's just u get to hangout with ur friends (or girlfriendS) at the same time. tongue.gif

user posted image

and yes, it is also where u construct models, build sculptures, design and so on. do note that each cubicle is a space big enough for 4 students. the girl above apparently is dominating the entire cubicle for her.

user posted image

and who says u can only study at the table? on the table also can, nobody's gonna stop u.

user posted image

yes, it is where u sleep!

user posted image

lepak, mabuk2, main gitar, engage in homo-erotic male-bondings etc... tongue.gif

user posted image

and yes, it can be formal as well.

user posted image

and finally, at the end of the day, it is also where u pin up ur handiworks to be scrutinized by the juries. this happens on a weekly basis, usually called a crit, tutorial, demo and so on. it is where put whatever u've done, and we'll talk whether u've achieved ur objectives or not, ur weaknesses and strength and what to do next.
this should give u an idea what the studio is, and how it is central to the life of the architect - from student till a master.
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Wow Azarimy! I really do not know what to say... laugh.gif

First of all, thanks so much for putting in all those efforts to upload all those images and display them in here. I like to see photographs, because they speak a thousand words. Thanks for giving more insides about the "Studio".

The conclusion that I could draw from those is that;

Architecture education is really informal! biggrin.gif It is really interactive, flexible, and casual. I do not think that Architecture will be a relaxed course though! (The opposite will most probably be true instead!) brows.gif

BTW, is Architecture education strict on punctuality and attendance? (I guess not?) biggrin.gif

Does Architecture also have a strict timetable like in the other usual courses? (Where you will be having a fixed amount of time for a certain class/subject?) Or will the Architecture students be able to simply drop into, say the studio class/subject, anytime they wish to do their work? (Or would they be having a fixed timetable/time for, say the studio? - where they would have to arrive on time and depart on time?)

Any idea where are the technical studies usually held? (Building technology studies, building science studies, building structure studies, environmental studies, building construction studies, building material studies etc...as such.) I got the list from the Taylor's Diploma & Part 1 Degree Architecture program manual.

There are also, Introduction to Design, Integrated Project, Design Theory, Technical English 1, Technical English 2, Computer-aided Design 1, Computer-aided Design 2, Industrial Training, Building Materials, Structures, Environmental Science, Building Services 1, Building Services 2, Design Communication, Environment Sustainable Design, Building Construction 1, Computer Applications 1, Methods of Documentation, Measured Drawing, Asian Architecture, Building Science 1, Building Construction 2, Computer Applications 2, Theories of Architecture & Urbanism, Building Services, Elective, Working Drawings: Detailing, Working Drawings: Documentation, Building Science 2, Building Technology 1, Elective, Architectural Design Project, Building Technology 2, Project Management, Elective,

There also seems to be Mathematics [MAT 005] as well;

Basic Algebra.
Limits.
Continuity.
Derivatives of Algebraic Functions.
Derivatives of Trigonometric Functions.
Application of Derivatives.
Matrices Integration.
Probabilities.
Statistics.

The Electives are, Interior Behavioral Study, Interior Materials & Finishes, Furniture Design, and Mathematics.

Finally, those are the studio and Art/Culture subjects; biggrin.gif

Architectural Design Studio 1.
Architecture Culture & History 1.
Malaysian Studies.
Architectural Design Studio 2.
Architecture Culture & History 2.
Architectural Design Studio 3.
Asian Architecture.
Architectural Design Studio 4.
Architectural Design Studio 5.
National Language A/B.
Islamic Studies/Moral Education.

Mann..., Architecture is really seriously a combination of Arts/Culture & Science/Technical studies! cool2.gif

One's brain can go "Berserk" trying to tackle Arts and Science at the same time!! (No wonder every single one when asked would say that Architecture education is tough, and those were from the adults!)

Nevertheless, I was not discouraged by all of those "scary" statements, I knew what I wanted! cool2.gif

BTW, other than the Diploma in Architectural Technology, and the Bachelor (Hons) Of Science in Architecture, Taylors also seems to have a Foundation in the Natural & Build Environments...

If the Diploma and the Part 1 of the Architecture program can already be like that, I really wonder how is the Part 2 in the University of Melbourne going to be like...The Bachelor/Masters of Architecture. blink.gif

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QUOTE(Benjamin911 @ Mar 14 2008, 01:42 PM)
Wow Azarimy! I really do not know what to say... laugh.gif

First of all, thanks so much for putting in all those efforts to upload all those images and display them in here. I like to see photographs, because they speak a thousand words. Thanks for giving more insides about the "Studio".

The conclusion that I could draw from those is that;

Architecture education is really informal! biggrin.gif It is really interactive, flexible, and casual. I do not think that Architecture will be a relaxed course though! (The opposite will most probably be true instead!) brows.gif


interactive: yes. u learn primarily by doing rather than reading, listening to lectures and memorizing. to put it simply, it is more about what u put out rather than what u put in. in school, u put more into ur brain than u let out. in architecture, it's input, output, output, output.

flexible and casual: yes. bcoz there's no one way to output. u can do whatever u want to achieve an end product. more importantly, u are not restricted to a specific way to learn or study.

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BTW, is Architecture education strict on punctuality and attendance? (I guess not?) biggrin.gif

Does Architecture also have a strict timetable like in the other usual courses? (Where you will be having a fixed amount of time for a certain class/subject?) Or will the Architecture students be able to simply drop into, say the studio class/subject, anytime they wish to do their work? (Or would they be having a fixed timetable/time for, say the studio? - where they would have to arrive on time and depart on time?)


in contrast to contemporary beliefs, architecture works in a very tight schedule, and punctuality are held at absolute high. it is normal that we fail a student bcoz they're late for a crit or assessment. and it is even more normal that we fail a student for an incomplete work. it is about professional ethics of the architect, not just a student. it is easier if u see architecture education as being apprentice to an architect. the tutor is both ur boss and ur client. if ur client wants a job done by friday morning, u work like hell to make sure ur work is complete by friday morning, and attend the meeting at the designated time. failure to do so may mean the client would walk away, and u will not get paid for the work u've done. and since the currency of education is grades, then u will not get ur grades for late attendance or incomplete works. simple as that wink.gif.

architecture do have a more open timetable than most other courses. although u spend most of ur time in the studio, it doesnt mean u're required to do so all the time. usually each school will designate about 2 days a week specifically for studio events (class, lecture, crit, tutorial, talks, debates , field trip etc), and often takes the whole day. it doesnt mean u're gonna sit for a lecture the entire day. crazy ah?

it means everybody involved in the studio (tutors, students, external experts, seniors etc) are required to be present in the studio. usually tutors will follow the syllabus of what to do each week, but the syllabus are basically quite flexible. most of the time u will engage in talks about design, crits and casual debates either with ur tutor or ur peers. but u could also sit in the corner like a kera sumbang and do ur own work biggrin.gif. but u are required to be present during studio hours.

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Any idea where are the technical studies usually held? (Building technology studies, building science studies, building structure studies, environmental studies, building construction studies, building material studies etc...as such.) I got the list from the Taylor's Diploma & Part 1 Degree Architecture program manual.

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technical studies could be held either in class/lecture or in the studio, or both. what u have listed are a list of subjects, including the studio. ofcourse, in this list u cant see the percentage given by each of those subjects. but the studio, combined, will take about half of the entire education, and the rest are all the subjects. how each subjects especially technical studies depend on each school and their curriculum.

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Mann..., Architecture is really seriously a combination of Arts/Culture & Science/Technical studies! cool2.gif

One's brain can go "Berserk" trying to tackle Arts and Science at the same time!! (No wonder every single one when asked would say that Architecture education is tough, and those were from the adults!)

Nevertheless, I was not discouraged by all of those "scary" statements, I knew what I wanted! cool2.gif

BTW, other than the Diploma in Architectural Technology, and the Bachelor (Hons) Of Science in Architecture, Taylors also seems to have a Foundation in the Natural & Build Environments...

If the Diploma and the Part 1 of the Architecture program can already be like that, I really wonder how is the Part 2 in the University of Melbourne going to be like...The Bachelor/Masters of Architecture. blink.gif
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so now u know biggrin.gif.

but believe me, by the end of first year, u'll realize that the stuff u learn in architecture are hardly anything bizarre. culture and history are technically like sejarah, but u focus on architectural history and how culture affects it. structures are basically applied physics (moments, load, pressure, tensile strength bla bla bla). behavioural studies are basically something u can just read and observe, but properly structured. it's not hard at all. rationale and logic applies all the time, mind u wink.gif
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interactive: yes. u learn primarily by doing rather than reading, listening to lectures and memorizing. to put it simply, it is more about what u put out rather than what u put in. in school, u put more into ur brain than u let out. in architecture, it's input, output, output, output.

flexible and casual: yes. bcoz there's no one way to output. u can do whatever u want to achieve an end product. more importantly, u are not restricted to a specific way to learn or study.
in contrast to contemporary beliefs, architecture works in a very tight schedule, and punctuality are held at absolute high. it is normal that we fail a student bcoz they're late for a crit or assessment. and it is even more normal that we fail a student for an incomplete work. it is about professional ethics of the architect, not just a student. it is easier if u see architecture education as being apprentice to an architect. the tutor is both ur boss and ur client. if ur client wants a job done by friday morning, u work like hell to make sure ur work is complete by friday morning, and attend the meeting at the designated time. failure to do so may mean the client would walk away, and u will not get paid for the work u've done. and since the currency of education is grades, then u will not get ur grades for late attendance or incomplete works. simple as that wink.gif.

architecture do have a more open timetable than most other courses. although u spend most of ur time in the studio, it doesnt mean u're required to do so all the time. usually each school will designate about 2 days a week specifically for studio events (class, lecture, crit, tutorial, talks, debates , field trip etc), and often takes the whole day. it doesnt mean u're gonna sit for a lecture the entire day. crazy ah?

it means everybody involved in the studio (tutors, students, external experts, seniors etc) are required to be present in the studio. usually tutors will follow the syllabus of what to do each week, but the syllabus are basically quite flexible. most of the time u will engage in talks about design, crits and casual debates either with ur tutor or ur peers. but u could also sit in the corner like a kera sumbang and do ur own work biggrin.gif. but u are required to be present during studio hours.
technical studies could be held either in class/lecture or in the studio, or both. what u have listed are a list of subjects, including the studio. ofcourse, in this list u cant see the percentage given by each of those subjects. but the studio, combined, will take about half of the entire education, and the rest are all the subjects. how each subjects especially technical studies depend on each school and their curriculum.
so now u know biggrin.gif.

but believe me, by the end of first year, u'll realize that the stuff u learn in architecture are hardly anything bizarre. culture and history are technically like sejarah, but u focus on architectural history and how culture affects it. structures are basically applied physics (moments, load, pressure, tensile strength bla bla bla). behavioural studies are basically something u can just read and observe, but properly structured. it's not hard at all. rationale and logic applies all the time, mind u wink.gif
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Alright, thanks a bunch man! cool2.gif

I would have to prepare myself for the interesting events in Architecture. smile.gif

Just now, I was searching for Architecture, buildings, constructions, and developments. Here is what I got so far;

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:TelstraDomeDocklands.jpg
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Glaspaleis_balustrade.jpg
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Glaspaleis_penthouse.jpg
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Dubailand2006.jpg
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Jumeira...ctober_2007.jpg
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Armada_...anuary_2008.jpg
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Signaturetowersdubai.jpg
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Dubaisi...erssoiltest.jpg
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:3458419...498003c55_o.jpg
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Hudson_Place.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/3...uture_Dome2.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/5...EnshaaTower.jpg
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:150_Gre...%28WTC_4%29.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/f5/Tower22.jpg
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:53_West_53rd_Street.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f...th_Street_3.jpg
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Acico_T...2007_Pict_3.jpg
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Model_of_Aqua.jpg
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:AquaBui...go_09_08_07.jpg
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:AquaBui...go_07_29_07.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/c...ect-Calgary.png
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Auroralarge.jpg
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Aurora.gif
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/2/2c/Axis_tower.jpg
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Metal_waves_breaking.jpg
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Buenos_Forum.jpg
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Burj_Dubai.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/3...inium_tower.jpg
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:City_hall_01.jpg
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Model_of_Detroit.jpg
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Render03nocturna4rj.jpg
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Dubai_M...2007_Pict_4.jpg
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Dubai_M...2007_Pict_1.jpg
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Dubai_marina.jpg
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:EMPSQ.jpg
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Empire_World_Towers.jpg
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:New_ECB_building_2.jpg
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:New_ECB_building.jpg
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fayetteville-...ius_High_School
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_Tower
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Gate_of_the_Orient02.jpg
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Metropolis.JPG
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Marina-Towers-Beirut.jpg
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:2007012...ales_Center.JPG
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Model_o...m_park_west.jpg
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Pendergardens.jpg
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Rexburg...April_2007.jpeg
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Elysian_Cork.JPG
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:TrumpTo...go_01_27_08.jpg
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:2007091...r_-_Chicago.JPG
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:2007050...ago_%282%29.JPG
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/5...28Custom%29.JPG
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/3...aterview_01.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/comm...tad_station.jpg
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:VM_husene_orestad.jpg
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Lightho...ective2svo8.jpg
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Mmtower.jpg
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:WTC_Towers_Memorial.jpg
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X-Seed_4000

The search is still on! biggrin.gif

The question I would like to ask you is;

Is Architecture going to be like this? smile.gif

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QUOTE(Benjamin911 @ Mar 15 2008, 01:29 AM)
Alright, thanks a bunch man! cool2.gif

I would have to prepare myself for the interesting events in Architecture. smile.gif

Just now, I was searching for Architecture, buildings, constructions, and developments. Here is what I got so far;

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The search is still on! biggrin.gif
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Alamak...you should be looking at:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beaux-Arts_architecture
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bauhaus
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_Stijl
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modernism
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Postmodernism
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brutalist_architecture
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metabolist

Many more...but I hope you get the idea.
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What is the difference? unsure.gif
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Realize you are looking at buildings? You are 1st year. The buildings won't be easily analyzed by you unless you have a good foundation. And those I suggested are parts of architectural history. Understand how architecture begins. You like command & conquer no? Remember what the game preached? "He who controls the past commands the future. He who commands the future conquers the past." Actually that phrase belongs to George Orwell.
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You like command & conquer no? Remember what the game preached? "He who controls the past commands the future. He who commands the future conquers the past."
OMG!!! shocking.gif shocking.gif shocking.gif

You can be my hero mann!!! notworthy.gif notworthy.gif notworthy.gif

Now, the next thing is;

How can you interpret that phase for the relevance of Architecture? wink.gif


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You need to understand why things happen. Everything happens for a reason. You eat because you are hungry. You are kind to that girl because you love her. You vote because you want a better government. Architecture is in the same reality. You need to understand why things happen in the past so that you'll understand why it is so in the present, and what will and may happen in the future. I'll let you ponder hmm.gif
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You need to understand why things happen. Everything happens for a reason. You eat because you are hungry. You are kind to that girl because you love her. You vote because you want a better government. Architecture is in the same reality. You need to understand why things happen in the past so that you'll understand why it is so in the present, and what will and may happen in the future. I'll let you ponder  hmm.gif
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OK BOSS, no problem!!! icon_rolleyes.gif

Anyway, the reason why I was looking at buildings was simply because I am very interested in buildings!

At the same time, I am also getting more ideas about building designs.

In the future, those building references would also be helpful to me when I have to design buildings/structures during my Architecture education.

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history and theory of architecture ties directly to the evolution of the world. for example, world war II paved way for modernism. what does modernist architecture look like?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modernism

u see this quite a lot in malaysia especially 50s-70s. the parliament, masjid negara, hospital besar KL are all modernist architecture. where does it come from?

before WW2, the art&craft movement generally dominates architecture spawning off from renaissance and all the artsy fartsy european movements. these art movements are quite reluctant to embrace technology and mass production - they believe architecture, as the mother of all arts, should be made by hand - all of it! means u must lay bricks layer by layer, sculpt the columns bit by bit and all that. it takes too long to produce a building, but each are beautiful, no doubt.

then WW2 happened, and all hell broke loose in europe.

in the aftermath, people realize they dont have any expertise in construction, but they need buildings fast. so mass production began and modernism took over. it eventually catches on with mass printing and mass communication, allowing the entire world to embrace modernism.

the rest is history.




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well , i am with the same batch with the first batch interview .
the first batch got the interview letter , i but i got the letter telling me that i have not chosen for the interview . so via contact to UTM administration, i am able to appeal for the interview . thanks for mr.azarimy, mr.xtracooljustin and my dad who have given me so much guides in getting the interview and passed the interview .
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Thanks loads. I heard they want to see if you can draw first before proceeding to the interview. Is it true?

Anyway, BridgestoneRE711, did you take Arts for your SPM?

Thanks alot for answering my questions smile.gif
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Hai~ sorry to interrupt your, um, conversation like this (=.=) but i need to ask: from what i've read in the first page, concerning the paths to becoming an architect, i gathered that you can switch from civil engineering or interior design to archi? is it true? and as Azarimy said, the transferring of courses is handled on a case-by-case basis, does it mean you have to attend interviews and such?

I just got my STPM result and am trying to choose my courses. since there are only so many IPTAs that are accredited by LAM, I still have 4 or 5 choices to fill in. For now I am considering choosing UM and UKM's Civil, and also USM's ID. So that If i really couldn't get through the interviews (If i do get called to attend, that is) at least I can do one year Civil then apply for transfer... Any advice? (My bro says, 'Just leave the other choices blank! Show 'em you really really Only want to be an Architect! =.=)
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QUOTE(azarimy @ Mar 15 2008, 05:54 AM)
history and theory of architecture ties directly to the evolution of the world. for example, world war II paved way for modernism. what does modernist architecture look like?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modernism

u see this quite a lot in malaysia especially 50s-70s. the parliament, masjid negara, hospital besar KL are all modernist architecture. where does it come from?

before WW2, the art&craft movement generally dominates architecture spawning off from renaissance and all the artsy fartsy european movements. these art movements are quite reluctant to embrace technology and mass production - they believe architecture, as the mother of all arts, should be made by hand - all of it! means u must lay bricks layer by layer, sculpt the columns bit by bit and all that. it takes too long to produce a building, but each are beautiful, no doubt.

then WW2 happened, and all hell broke loose in europe.

in the aftermath, people realize they dont have any expertise in construction, but they need buildings fast. so mass production began and modernism took over. it eventually catches on with mass printing and mass communication, allowing the entire world to embrace modernism.

the rest is history.
i'm a modernist, and it is not dead tongue.gif.
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Mann, you can also be the lecturer of the C&C Arsenal! cool2.gif

Are the following buildings Modernism Architecture? (I really like those types of designs a lot, a lot....lust.gif)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:150_Gre...%28WTC_4%29.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/f5/Tower22.jpg

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:WTC_Towers_Memorial.jpg

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Burj_Dubai.jpg

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Hudson_Place.jpg

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:VM_husene_orestad.jpg

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Pendergardens.jpg

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Model_o...m_park_west.jpg

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_Tower

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:New_ECB_building.jpg

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Render03nocturna4rj.jpg

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Metal_waves_breaking.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/2/2c/Axis_tower.jpg

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Auroralarge.jpg

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Model_of_Aqua.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f...th_Street_3.jpg

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:53_West_53rd_Street.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/5...EnshaaTower.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/3...uture_Dome2.jpg

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Glaspaleis_penthouse.jpg

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:TelstraDomeDocklands.jpg

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QUOTE(yuexia @ Mar 15 2008, 08:37 AM)
Hai~ sorry to interrupt your, um, conversation like this (=.=) but i need to ask: from what i've read in the first page, concerning the paths to becoming an architect, i gathered that you can switch from civil engineering or interior design to archi? is it true? and as Azarimy said, the transferring of courses is handled on a case-by-case basis, does it mean you have to attend interviews and such?

I just got my STPM result and am trying to choose my courses. since there are only so many IPTAs that are accredited by LAM, I still have 4 or 5 choices to fill in. For now I am considering choosing UM and UKM's Civil, and also USM's ID. So that If i really couldn't get through the interviews (If i do get called to attend, that is) at least I can do one year Civil then apply for transfer... Any advice? (My bro says, 'Just leave the other choices blank! Show 'em you really really Only want to be an Architect! =.=)
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as i've said before, u can change courses, but it is dealt on a case-by-case basis. it means u will need to bring whatever u've achieved to the new school, and they will determine whether a transfer is possible. transfer here means u stop wherever u are and continue at a new school to pickup wherever u've left off. changing courses are not "transfers". u can only transfer from one school to another school within the same course and the same certificate. so careful when using that term wink.gif.

to be honest, it is easier to change courses within the same faculty. for example, if ur target is architecture in UTM, it is best to look for other courses under the same faculty (faculty of built environment) like landscape architecture, QS, planning or building const. changing courses within the faculty is dealt by the dean, and does not require involvement from university administrations other than the registrar. changing courses of different faculties within the same uni involves atleast two deans, several head departments and a whole bunch of people. and changing from one university to the other involves a alot more people.

so u can imagine the difficulty of changing courses.

the best option is to finish what u're studying before changing. the most suitable way is to start with diploma, bcoz with a diploma ur option to change/switch courses is very, very easy. but i do see that u already have STPM, so it might not be an option. best case scenario, if u're holding an engineering degree, u will start ur architecture part 1 at 2nd year. that's the best promise i can give u. i wouldnt dare say u can start at anything higher than 2nd year. interior design, maybe. but not engineering.
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sorry. right. will use 'transfer' and 'change' more carefully next time. thanks for the correction and informations smile.gif

well. then i guess i'll have to ditch civil...never really thought of myself as an engineering person anyway sweat.gif hmm..i've looked at UTM's available programmes quite a few times already, and from what i know, they don't have interior design, right? that ia actually the next thing i think i would like to do, after archi. landscape arr...but i don't have 'green fingers'. never plant anything in my life so far blink.gif don't think it suits me.

another question. i know you (i mean Azarimy) dont really approve of studying arch in a non-accredited school (i.e. UKM, UPM); but then...who goes there to study? i'm yet to know anyone who studies at non-acc schools.. Is it very difficult to pass PAM I and II? besides preparing your portfolio, are there any tests? interviews? i'm asking this because i don't know whether i should put UKM and UPM as my choices or not. Does anyone know anything about arch fac in those schools?

thank you~! biggrin.gif


Added on March 15, 2008, 8:37 pmgosh. just went to look up 'landscape architecture' and realize my huge mistake. have thought all along that landscape arch means garden design! i. am. such. a. fool.

anyway. am starting to think that perhaps landscape arch is quite interesting too. anyone have anything to say on that ? (...i dont think i should post this here..this is, after all, "So you're interested in ARCHITECTURE?" =.=)

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what do u mean by "change"?

i. do u mean top-up? meaning finishing off 3 year diploma, and then do 1 year degree?

ii. or do u mean change ur current diploma into degree?

if the answer is ii, then several other question comes to mind. what is ur current status right now? what year are u in? what qualifications do u hold prior to ur diploma?
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what i mean is after i study diploma for 3 years, for taylors i hv to go to overseas(melbourne) rite? but since taylors has new degree, can i study that instead of going to overseas? hehe smile.gif

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i'd registered for the diploma of architectural technology which offered by taylor's college today.
the intake is start on 24 march,may i know i should ready anything before start my study of architecture?
gosh,i'm start to feel nervous~
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what i mean is after i study diploma for 3 years, for taylors i hv to go to overseas(melbourne) rite? but since taylors has new degree, can i study that instead of going to overseas? hehe  smile.gif
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sorry. right. will use 'transfer' and 'change' more carefully next time. thanks for the correction and informations  smile.gif

well. then i guess i'll have to ditch civil...never really thought of myself as an engineering person anyway  sweat.gif hmm..i've looked at UTM's available programmes quite a few times already, and from what i know, they don't have interior design, right? that ia actually the next thing i think i would like to do, after archi. landscape arr...but i don't have 'green fingers'. never plant anything in my life so far  blink.gif  don't think it suits me.


no, UTM does not offer ID. it is in the plan to offer ID as well as graphic/multimedia design, but we're talking atleast 5-10 years time.

i guess the question about landscape have already been answered by ur previous post wink.gif.

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another question. i know you (i mean Azarimy) dont really approve of studying arch in a non-accredited school (i.e. UKM, UPM); but then...who goes there to study? i'm yet to know anyone who studies at non-acc schools.. Is it very difficult to pass PAM I and II? besides preparing your portfolio, are there any tests? interviews? i'm asking this because i don't know whether i should put UKM and UPM as my choices or not. Does anyone know anything about arch fac in those schools?

thank you~!  biggrin.gif


why do anyone would wanna go there? first of all, the competition is less fierce, meaning easier to get in. schools like UKM and UPM are working hard for their accreditation right now, so if u join in this year, u should be able to graduate with atleast a part 1 within 3 years. i'm 80% positive on this especially for UPM.

why would anyone gamble going to an unaccredited school? well, atleast u're still studying architecture rather than some other course that u might not like. it's easier to take the exam later than not at all, isnt it? biggrin.gif.

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why would anyone gamble going to an unaccredited school?
I remembered hearing from you that a graduated student from an unaccredited school can always seek out the accreditation process himself/herself individually in the future, am I right?

BTW, how does one show ALL of their works during the accreditation process? Do you take photos of all the works that you have done since day one, or what?

How does one compile a portfolio of ALL the works that he or she have ever done in the Architecture school?

How about those assignments that had involved teamwork? (Such as a HUGE model for example...)
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QUOTE(Benjamin911 @ Mar 15 2008, 03:17 PM)
I remembered hearing from you that a graduated student from an unaccredited school can always seek out the accreditation process himself/herself individually in the future, am I right?


it was a rhetorical question...

so yes, there are ways to seek accreditation individually.

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BTW, how does one show ALL of their works during the accreditation process? Do you take photos of all the works that you have done since day one, or what?

How does one compile a portfolio of ALL the works that he or she have ever done in the Architecture school?

How about those assignments that had involved teamwork? (Such as a HUGE model for example...)
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for drawings, usually they require original works only, so u're gonna have to compile everything into a portable portfolio. u could also reproduce it into a smaller scale, but u are still required to have the originals available for verification. some of my friends reproduced everything in A3, and kept the originals in several folio bags.

for models, u can take photos.

for assignments and project reports, u are required to have the original available.

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QUOTE(azarimy @ Mar 16 2008, 12:57 AM)
it was a rhetorical question...

so yes, there are ways to seek accreditation individually.
for drawings, usually they require original works only, so u're gonna have to compile everything into a portable portfolio. u could also reproduce it into a smaller scale, but u are still required to have the originals available for verification. some of my friends reproduced everything in A3, and kept the originals in several folio bags.

for models, u can take photos.

for assignments and project reports, u are required to have the original available.
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OK, it sounds simple enough if I ever want to deal with the LAM/PAM Accreditation thingy. (Anyway, it is very likely that the College would be guiding me through the LAM/PAM exemption examination process in the future; as part of their responsibility.)

Thanks a lot.

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may i know what's the difference between Bach. of Environment and other B.Sc.? They're still part 1 right?


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QUOTE(Benjamin911 @ Mar 16 2008, 01:44 AM)
OK, it sounds simple enough if I ever want to deal with the LAM/PAM Accreditation thingy. (Anyway, it is very likely that the College would be guiding me through the LAM/PAM exemption examination process in the future; as part of their responsibility.)

Thanks a lot.
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what does LAM/PAM exemption examination means? hmm.gif

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what does LAM/PAM exemption examination means? hmm.gif


At this present stage of yours, you must have already gone through all the Taylor's Architecture overview, inquiry, counseling, and registration process, where they would have briefed you on the "Exemption examination" matter that you would be encountering with LAM later on at the end of your Architecture studies in Taylors.

It is surprising that you do not know what it is. wink.gif

It is as simple as that, LAM will be interviewing you at the end of the Taylor's Architecture program. (I heard that it would be a one to one verbal interview.) After the interview, if you are up to the mark, LAM would accredit YOU; then you will be "Exempted" from the respective LAM examination.

This is what I was told, if you wish to make any further inquiries; Taylors is always just a call away.

Good luck.

P.S., you can always use your common sense for things like that. wink.gif

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OK, there is a small mistake there...

You will be joining the LAM-PAM PART ONE and PART TWO Exemption Examination AFTER your MASTER of Architecture in the University of Melbourne. Finally, you can join the LAM-PAM PART THREE Examination later on.

Note that there is LAM and PAM.

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QUOTE(HBK90 @ Mar 16 2008, 06:20 AM)
may i know what's the difference between Bach. of Environment and other B.Sc.? They're still part 1 right?


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what does LAM/PAM exemption examination means? hmm.gif
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the only difference between the two degrees are the title and probably the focus of the curriculum. other than that, they should be equal to part 1.

do u mean LAM/PAM examination exemption? coz exemption examination doesnt quite make sense to me.

examination exemption is what LAM accredited courses award u. part 1, 2 and 3 are 3 levels of licenses in the architecture profession. normally, individuals who wants to be an architect must obtain all three licenses to practice in malaysia. and u can obtain these licenses through LAM examinations.

but, there are ways to skip the examinations for part 1 and 2. u can do this by going through 2 accredited degree courses. first for part 1 (3 years) and 2nd for part 2 (2 years). passing the degrees would mean u're exempted from taking the part 1 and 2 examinations.
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In the Taylor's prospectus, thr's a Professional Registration Pathways in page 17.

Thr's written Joint LAM-PAM Part I & II Exemption Examination after Master of Architecture.

I don't really understand the word 'Exemption'. That's why I ask you all.

Sorry yea... Hehe smile.gif
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the only difference between the two degrees are the title and probably the focus of the curriculum. other than that, they should be equal to part 1.

do u mean LAM/PAM examination exemption? coz exemption examination doesnt quite make sense to me.

examination exemption is what LAM accredited courses award u. part 1, 2 and 3 are 3 levels of licenses in the architecture profession. normally, individuals who wants to be an architect must obtain all three licenses to practice in malaysia. and u can obtain these licenses through LAM examinations.

but, there are ways to skip the examinations for part 1 and 2. u can do this by going through 2 accredited degree courses. first for part 1 (3 years) and 2nd for part 2 (2 years). passing the degrees would mean u're exempted from taking the part 1 and 2 examinations.
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Are the PART 1 & PART 2 exams a problem? (After all, the PART 3 exam is inescapable anyway.)

The respective exams would only be taking up to a day am I right? (If that is the case, then I really cannot see any problems in taking the exams.)

[Plus the fact that those with the RIBA, RAIA or equivalent qualification will not have to sit for the exams if they are up to the mark.] (When they satisfy the requirements; which should not be a problem if you are serious in your study.)

BTW, according to the manual, Taylor's students taking the Bachelor of Science [HONS] [Architecture] will be subjected to accreditation by the Board of Architects Malaysia.

If my guess is correct, that means all Taylor's Architecture students will be accredited by the Board of Architects Malaysia (LAM-PAM), if they satisfy the requirements; which should not be a problem if the student study accordingly. nod.gif

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QUOTE(Benjamin911 @ Mar 16 2008, 03:24 PM)
Are the PART 1 & PART 2 exams a problem? (After all, the PART 3 exam is inescapable anyway.)

The respective exams would only be taking up to a day am I right? (If that is the case, then I really cannot see any problems in taking the exams.)

[Plus the fact that those with the RIBA, RAIA or equivalent qualification will not have to sit for the exams if they are up to the mark.] (When they satisfy the requirements; which should not be a problem if you are serious in your study.)

BTW, according to the manual, Taylor's students taking the Bachelor of Science [HONS] [Architecture] will be subjected to accreditation by the Board of Architects Malaysia.

If my guess is correct, that means all Taylor's Architecture students will be accredited by the Board of Architects Malaysia (LAM-PAM), if they satisfy the requirements; which should not be a problem if the student study accordingly. nod.gif
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ok, on the bolded part, that's what we call "sugar coating".

what the sentence means is that after u finish BSc architecture, u will have to sit for LAM part 1 exam. it's not automatic accreditation. there's only two ways to gain accreditation of part 1: u finish ur degree in an accredited university, or take the exam individually.

what the sentence imply is probably a centralized application for the exam. meaning after ur batch finishes the degree, the school will organize LAM to come over the school at conduct examination all in one go rather than each students apply individually.

it was worded that way to gently tell the prospective students that they are not fully accredited, but didnt want to put the students off from studying there. if u look into other schools like UCSI, LUCT and twintech, u can find similar phrases wink.gif.
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what the sentence imply is probably a centralized application for the exam. meaning after ur batch finishes the degree, the school will organize LAM to come over the school at conduct examination all in one go rather than each students apply individually.
That would be so cool! cool2.gif

I bet by that time, I would have missed exams so much that any exams would be a welcome treat to me. cool.gif whistling.gif
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Hi. I'm just getting my STPM result (GCPA3.67) and i wonder if I perform badly during interview, will it jeopardize my chances to get in UTM Bachelor of Architecture?
And what is the differences between civil engineering and architecture besides
one is planning while one is responsible for building? Any example??
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Hi. I'm just getting my STPM result (GCPA3.67) and i wonder if I perform badly during interview, will it jeopardize my chances to get in UTM Bachelor of Architecture?
And what is the differences between civil engineering and architecture besides
one is planning while one is responsible for building? Any example??
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i. yes, it will. architecture is not all about top achievers. we've rejected a couple of 3.70s before just bcoz their absolute inability to draw, and have very low self-confidence/unable to speak properly.

ii. huge differences that it is practically two different field altogether.

architecture is about design, merging arts and science together. u not only plan, but u take into consideration construction, technology, social welfare of the users, usability, practicality and everything in the building.

civil eng. is the science of construction. they dont do designs, they dont really care about the clients' needs, but concentrate primarily on making the building buildable through science of engineering. so the buildings are designed by the architects, while all the calculations are done by the engineers.




architecture and civil eng. cant live without each other. it's like the difference between a tailor and fashion designer. a fashion designer designs the attire, while a tailor builds it. another example would be a writer and a publisher. a writer writes the story into a book, while the publisher prints and publish them. so can one person be both? ofcourse.
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one is planning while one is responsible for building? Any example??
OK, I shall try to have a go at this. icon_rolleyes.gif

Civil Engineering and Architecture is different.

Using a building as an example, the Civil Engineer's job is to ensure that the building, (which the Architect have designed), can stand safely. He will also be the one to ensure that the Architect's design is safe, and can be build in the first place. The Civil Engineer will have to use the respective laws of Physical Science (Physics) and perform a lot of Engineering calculations in the process of determining the structural integrity of the building; which are many. (A building is very complicated.) As a specific example of the Civil Engineer's role, he will have to make sure that the pillars/columns can support the floor - floors above. In the process, he will have to determine the best material/cement type - grade to be used for the pillars/columns in respect & accordance to the Architect's design. Perhaps, the Architect's design is such that the area is an "Open Space Design Concept" where there is absolutely no pillars or columns in the vicinity. In such a situation, the Civil Engineer will have to use extra Critical thinking skills and extra knowledge of Structural Engineering to try to solve the problem. (There would always be a lot of complex Engineering calculations in the process, it is part of the Engineer's life; Maths must be his second nature and he must be proficient + fluent + efficient at mathematics, because there would always be a lot of calculations to perform. You need to like math a lot.) The Architect's design may involve floating walkways/bridges, to entire floor design sections indoors - outdoors that are (hanging/suspended) supported by steel cables & steel sections/beams. The Civil Engineer will have to calculate all of those structural and support factors, and perhaps even have to suggest to the Architect a more efficient or cost saving design that can still maintain the Architect's primary design concept. The Civil Engineer and the Architect will always have to perform technical discussions with each other. The Civil Engineer will have to be responsible for the efficiency of the structural designs. For example, the Architect's design for a certain part of the building may be using more supports for every section than it is needed...It will be the Civil Engineer's duty and responsibility to seek out and re-study the design to implement a more clever/ingenious/efficient design that can still hold, but with less supports...perhaps with equivalent support strength as the previous design as well... In such a case, the Civil Engineer will have to perform his calculations and apply the laws of Physics appropriately to come across a suitable & practical - cost saving design that is not at the expense of the building's safety. The Civil Engineer need to study the Architect's design as well. The Architect may use 6 columns to support a section of the building, but when the Civil Engineer study the design and perform his calculations, he may find out that 3 columns is enough to support the section, when they are designed more ingeniously and placed more efficiently. (Every decision the Engineer makes must is backed up by his calculations; which must be "crucially" correct and accurate.) The Civil Engineer have many other roles as well. He would also have to deal with the sewage/waste deposit system, the drainage system, infrastructures (Flyovers, highways, roads, railways, dams, tunnels, airports etc...), as such...(Basically, the Civil Engineer will be working very closely with the Architect.)

What about the Architect???

Well, the Architect is known as the "Master Builder", and he is in charge of the build environment, which includes everything; the social and cultural aspect as well. The Architect initiates projects that ranges from small personal houses to huge office complexes, he also get to design the houses and the office complexes based on the client's needs or desires. The Architect will follow up with the project until it is ready for the public. He will be supervising everyone in the build environment throughout the project, and those are the Engineers, the Quantity Surveyors, the Workers, the Construction Managers, the Technicians, the Interior Designers, etc...It will be the Architect's responsibility to produce designs that are functional and efficient for the benefit/betterment of mankind, and that apply to the building, landscape, city, or the build environment in its entirety that the Architect have designed. (A lot of brain power will be needed.) Basically, the Architect will be involve in "Design". When the Architect design a building, he has to take into consideration the function and purpose of the building. He would have to design every floor plan and layouts of the building. (He would have to plan and visualize a lot, using a lot of his brain power.) When the Architect design a building, he would also have to take into consideration and plan the traffic flow of the people. He will determine how the people will access and exit the building as one of the many examples, and the design of the building have to be efficient, functional, yet pleasing. (Beautiful, functional, & efficient will apply throughout the Architect's design.) The Architect will also get to choose building materials such as glass & steel/concrete to convey his design. (All in all, the building have to be durable, cost effective, & pleasing.) The Architect will also plan the wind flow and lighting of the building. (The Architect will have various designs in mind for those kind of wind or lighting applications, and he will try to make the designs pleasing while at the same time serve its purpose.) The main thing that the Architect need to do, regarding the building, is to "Design" the building; plan the layouts, design the floor plans for each and every individual floors, plan the building traffic, and plan/design the building surroundings as well. There are also a lot of technicalities that the Architect have to handle, such as the air-conditionings, the airflows, the ventilations, and the lightings as such. (Basically, the Architect is in charge of the building that he design; and that includes being in charge of the construction team as well.) The Architect will supervise the construction process to make sure that his designs are correctly build and according to his blueprint. Today, the Architect will also have to bring "Sustainable Designs" into account. Architects today have to make sure that their buildings are environmentally friendly. They have to control the power consumption/efficiency, waste output, and resource consumption/efficiency of their buildings. They would have to think of more environmentally friendly designs for their buildings. (Ecological Architecture, Green Architecture, Sustainable Architecture, as such...) The Architect have to research and develop [R&D] more environmentally sound/efficient designs. They would have to get involve in maximizing the productivity and minimizing the waste products of their buildings with the help of the specialized Engineers. (Recycling, reprocessing, and reconverting are some of the keys.)

The following concept will be a good start towards Green Architecture, involving buildings that will have less negative impact on the environment >>>

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:MEC%27s...mong_others.jpg

It will be the Architect's role to think, research, experiment, and carry out all this. They have to be the innovators of this field in the build environment; which they are in charge of.

*Build a better tomorrow for all mankind*

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I've been told thr's a taylors foundation in natural and built environment coming on july and it's 1 n half year long!

i've asked them is it possible to switch to taylors new degree after i finish foundation in other recognized (not accredited) uni and they say should be no prob but hv to match the subs.

what if some subs are not matched? or taylors hv extra subs? what will happen? smile.gif
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QUOTE(Jack88 @ Mar 17 2008, 03:27 AM)
Hi. I'm just getting my STPM result (GCPA3.67) and i wonder if I perform badly during interview, will it jeopardize my chances to get in UTM Bachelor of Architecture?
And what is the differences between civil engineering and architecture besides
one is planning while one is responsible for building? Any example??
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well , i believed that if you are accepted to the interview , they will look on your interview more than your result . but this must be confirm by mr.azarimy . personally i think the cgpa does carry a part of it .
as what i have experience , my frined got 3.5 , got interview in USM UTM . i didnt get any interview and i was quite upset, i appeal until i got the chance to show myself in UTM interview, with my 2.92 result . my friend didnt get anything at the end , while i got UTM now .

3.5+automatically accepted to Interview USM UTM : 2.92+only got the interview by appealing to UTM .
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Is UTM better than USM and other universities because only UTM can offer degrees that lead to LAM accredited Part 2 architecture while others cannot??

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QUOTE(HBK90 @ Mar 17 2008, 09:07 AM)
I've been told thr's a taylors foundation in natural and built environment coming on july and it's 1 n half year long!

i've asked them is it possible to switch to taylors new degree after i finish foundation in other recognized (not accredited) uni and they say should be no prob but hv to match the subs.

what if some subs are not matched? or taylors hv extra subs? what will happen? smile.gif
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Regarding the Taylor's Foundation in the Natural & Build Environment;

Wow, 1.5 years for a pre-university program is already like the A-Levels...whistling.gif (Pretty Extensive.)

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btw, just curious. What happens if you get the interview at a local uni but fail it? bye bye local universities for any course?

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QUOTE(Jack88 @ Mar 17 2008, 11:47 AM)
Is UTM better than USM and other universities because only UTM can offer degrees that lead to LAM accredited Part 2 architecture while others cannot??
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no.

UTM's degree is 5 years, that awards u with both parts 1 and 2 with a single degree.

USM, UM, UiTM and other universities splits the course into two separate degree. 3 years for part 1 and 2 years for part 2, totaling to 5 years, exactly the same with UTM.

so it's neither better or worse. it caters for different needs or preference of the students. if u go to UTM, u dont have to worry about graduating and continuing for the 2nd degree, and u will become an architect after just a single degree. the disadvantage is that u dont have any breaks - it's full five years of studies. separate degrees offered by other universities allow u to take a breather after the first 3 years, maybe work for a year as an architect's assistant and gain more practical knowledge before joining part 2. the disadvantage is that it may take longer, and the intake for part 2 is usually more strict than part 1.


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btw, just curious. What happens if you get the interview at a local uni but fail it? no more going to local universities?
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no.

it simply means u will fail the interview for that particular application. meaning u can still apply again next year again and again. do note that if u apply to several other courses with interview filtering in a single application (u have 8 choices in UPU), u may be interviewed by up to each and every course u've applied (assuming ur score is nothing less than extraordinary). it is quite normal that u get called for 2-3 interviews from different schools, like some of our friends here have experienced.

so if u fail a particular interview, it doesnt mean u will fail the others or the subsequent interviews u will have in ur life biggrin.gif. like i said, if u fail, try again.

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it simply means u will fail the interview for that particular application. meaning u can still apply again next year again and again. do note that if u apply to several other courses with interview filtering in a single application (u have 8 choices in UPU), u may be interviewed by up to each and every course u've applied (assuming ur score is nothing less than extraordinary). it is quite normal that u get called for 2-3 interviews from different schools, like some of our friends here have experienced.

so if u fail a particular interview, it doesnt mean u will fail the others or the subsequent interviews u will have in ur life biggrin.gif. like i said, if u fail, try again.
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Thanks. But what I meant was like say I put down UTM Architecture in choice 1 and some course which doesnt require an interview in choice 2. Is it possible to get called for the interview AND be accepted for choice 2?
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QUOTE(HBK90 @ Mar 17 2008, 01:07 AM)
I've been told thr's a taylors foundation in natural and built environment coming on july and it's 1 n half year long!

i've asked them is it possible to switch to taylors new degree after i finish foundation in other recognized (not accredited) uni and they say should be no prob but hv to match the subs.

what if some subs are not matched? or taylors hv extra subs? what will happen? smile.gif
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two things can happen:

i. u will need to take a short foundation course (maybe 1 semester) to finish off the extra subjects. or

ii. u will start 1st year of the degree, but u will have to take several subjects from foundation (meaning u will have extra load during 1st year).


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QUOTE(BurgaFlippinMan @ Mar 17 2008, 05:20 PM)
Thanks. But what I meant was like say I put down UTM Architecture in choice 1 and some course which doesnt require an interview in choice 2. Is it possible to get called for the interview AND be accepted for choice 2?
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yes.

when u apply, UPU will send out ur application to all 8 choices. each will decide through the selection process, and will give the verdict back to UPU. from here UPU will observe who said yes and no, and only send u the highest choice that said yes.

the interview is part of the selection process, and each does not interfere with another school's interview. example: if u fail UTM interview (1st choice), u may still be offered UM (2nd choice).

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I would like to ask, if i am offered another course besides architecture in a local uni and i accept it for the time being, will i be able to change course after one semester or will i need to wait for a year or it depends on the procedures? How long does it normally take?

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Hi, i'm Sastera Student STPM 2007 . my result mixed to 2.84 T__T , so bad coz i alwasy get 3.00 above normaly at school . so here what i got

Pengajian AM = 3.00
Pendidikan Seni = 3.00
Ekonomi = 2.67
Geografi = 2.67
Bahasa Melayu = 2.67

Total is 2.84

my Kokorikulm i got 83.45% , MUET is ben 3 , and got 1 special sijil "HeadBoy"
hmm..
this what i applying in UPU

Pilihan 1 * - KH03 SAINS SENI BINA# - UKM
Pilihan 2 * - PH11 BACELOR REKA BENTUK (SENI BINA) -UPM
Pilihan 3 * - MH03 SAINS SENIBINA -UM
Pilihan 4 * - KE00 EKONOMI - UKM
Pilihan 5 - PE00 BACELOR EKONOMI - UPM
Pilihan 6 - MP06 PENTADBIRAN PERNIAGAAN -UM
Pilihan 7 - MS69 SAINS (GEOGRAFI) -UM
Pilihan 8 - KA18 SAINS SOSIAL (GEOGRAFI) -UKM

i was hopping to take S.SENI BINA.
is't i still got chance for it?

or which one more suitable for me by looking for my result.?
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I am a SPM graduate who wanna study architecture.. My dad wants me to take the form 6 route while i am more interested in furthering my sudies at ALFA international college.

i just need some opinion.. which route actually is more beneficial? If my choice is better, what shud i say 2 convince my dad?mellow.gif





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QUOTE(*serenity* @ Mar 18 2008, 11:47 AM)
I would like to ask, if i am offered another course besides architecture in a local uni and i accept it for the time being, will i be able to change course after one semester or will i need to wait for a year or it depends on the procedures? How long does it normally take?

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its possible but very rarely happens. That also only for courses in the same uni. Like my fren who switched from engineering to architecture during first year second semester.


Added on March 19, 2008, 12:52 am
QUOTE(LuLu90 @ Mar 19 2008, 12:45 AM)
I am a SPM graduate who wanna study architecture.. My dad wants me to take the form 6 route while i am more interested in furthering my sudies at ALFA international college.

i just need some opinion.. which route actually is more beneficial? If my choice is better, what shud i say 2 convince my dad?mellow.gif
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if you have achieved excellent results for SPM i would suggest going the STPM route. AS in the first page of this topic, going through other means requires you to "most" likely further ur studies at partner universities overseas after ur local diploma.

You wanna convince ur dad? Tell him this then. Take into account the cost of finishing up ur degree studies, for example Tasmania (Australia) as its one of the cheapest option, is roughly RM300K (inclusive of fees and living expenses) for 3 years.

Remember STPM opens up more choices. And if you manage to get into an IPTA, fees are likely to be less than RM25K for the whole duration.



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I got 6A's for my SPM.. i think dat is considered as moderate result.. which is not so good T_T

If i complete a 3 yrs diploma in ALFA n passed the part 1 LAM exam, izzit possible 4 me 2 continue part 2 in local uni's? If yes, what r my chaneces of getting in? What will happen if i fail de LAM exams? wacko.gif
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QUOTE(LuLu90 @ Mar 18 2008, 05:07 PM)
I got 6A's for my SPM.. i think dat is considered as moderate result.. which is not so good T_T

If i complete a 3 yrs diploma in ALFA n passed the part 1 LAM exam, izzit possible 4 me 2 continue part 2 in local uni's? If yes, what r my chaneces of getting in? What will happen if i fail de LAM exams? wacko.gif
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unfortunately, 3 years diploma will never enable u to sit for a LAM part 1 exam. u need a 3 year degree to gain equal qualifications to enable u to sit for the LAM part 1 exam. simply put, u need at least 3 years after STPM or 4 years after SPM for architecture education to be eligible to sit for part 1.

but if through which ever way u actually managed to sit and pass the LAM part 1 exam, yes, it is very possible for u to continue part 2 in any local universities.

if u've taken the exam but failed, take again. and take again until u pass, however long it takes, or until u quit wink.gif.


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QUOTE(*serenity* @ Mar 18 2008, 03:47 AM)
I would like to ask, if i am offered another course besides architecture in a local uni and i accept it for the time being, will i be able to change course after one semester or will i need to wait for a year or it depends on the procedures? How long does it normally take?

Thanks smile.gif
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like justin's said, it's very unlikely. and even if u wanna change, it's a helluva process.

ultimtely, it depends if the target course would wanna accept u or not wink.gif.


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Hi, i'm Sastera Student STPM 2007 . my result mixed to 2.84 T__T , so bad coz i alwasy get 3.00 above normaly at school . so here what i got

Pengajian AM = 3.00
Pendidikan Seni = 3.00
Ekonomi = 2.67
Geografi = 2.67
Bahasa Melayu = 2.67

Total is 2.84

my Kokorikulm i got 83.45% , MUET is ben 3 , and got 1 special sijil "HeadBoy"
hmm..
this what i applying in UPU

Pilihan 1 * - KH03 SAINS SENI BINA# - UKM
Pilihan 2 * - PH11 BACELOR REKA BENTUK (SENI BINA) -UPM
Pilihan 3 * - MH03 SAINS SENIBINA -UM
Pilihan 4 * - KE00 EKONOMI - UKM
Pilihan 5 - PE00 BACELOR EKONOMI - UPM
Pilihan 6 - MP06 PENTADBIRAN PERNIAGAAN -UM
Pilihan 7 - MS69 SAINS (GEOGRAFI) -UM
Pilihan 8 - KA18 SAINS SOSIAL (GEOGRAFI) -UKM

i was hopping to take S.SENI BINA.
is't i still got chance for it?

or which one more suitable for me by looking for my result.?
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looking at ur results, i cant say for sure whether u r competitive enough to secure a place in an IPTA, but it shouldnt stop u from applying. i just question why u put UKM and UPM's architecture as top choices as both of them are not accredited by LAM (lembaga akitek malaysia). u should sort out to atleast put UM, USM, UTM or UiTM (if applicable), bcoz those are the accredited schools.

headboy (ketua pelajar/pengawas?) should be a great boost to ur application, especially during interviews.

so yes, architecture might be for u, assuming u will upgrade/brush up ur art skills for ur portfolio, ofcourse wink.gif.

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QUOTE(LuLu90 @ Mar 19 2008, 01:07 AM)
I got 6A's for my SPM.. i think dat is considered as moderate result.. which is not so good T_T

If i complete a 3 yrs diploma in ALFA n passed the part 1 LAM exam, izzit possible 4 me 2 continue part 2 in local uni's? If yes, what r my chaneces of getting in? What will happen if i fail de LAM exams? wacko.gif
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i reserved my comment as tracooljustin n azarimy already voiced out .

i got 3A 5B 3 C in spm . Dad asked me to go to Limkokwing as he scared that i couldn't take the pressure in form 6. But i have chosen form 6 , i've selected my path , i did well in stpm , my well doesn't mean good superb result. And now i am in UTM .
i saved more than 200K and i saved one of my dad's property as my dad initially wanted to sell of our Alor Star house to fund my studies .

u take form 6 , u probably can enter public uni . If u cannot , u can save one Semester in foundation . You might think you have lost your 2 years in form 6 , but i would like to tell u something that the thing u studied in form 6 is very very useful to gain ur own knowledge , don't go mind the time if you are using it for education benefaction .

ALFA college quality is good, my friend have met people over there . the problem is the size of the college and if not mistaken, it is lack of accreditation .


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unfortunately, 3 years diploma will never enable u to sit for a LAM part 1 exam. u need a 3 year degree to gain equal qualifications to enable u to sit for the LAM part 1 exam. simply put, u need at least 3 years after STPM or 4 years after SPM for architecture education to be eligible to sit for part 1.

but if through which ever way u actually managed to sit and pass the LAM part 1 exam, yes, it is very possible for u to continue part 2 in any local universities.

if u've taken the exam but failed, take again. and take again until u pass, however long it takes, or until u quit wink.gif.


Added on March 19, 2008, 1:24 am

like justin's said, it's very unlikely. and even if u wanna change, it's a helluva process.

ultimtely, it depends if the target course would wanna accept u or not wink.gif.


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looking at ur results, i cant say for sure whether u r competitive enough to secure a place in an IPTA, but it shouldnt stop u from applying. i just question why u put UKM and UPM's architecture as top choices as both of them are not accredited by LAM (lembaga akitek malaysia). u should sort out to atleast put UM, USM, UTM or UiTM (if applicable), bcoz those are the accredited schools.

headboy (ketua pelajar/pengawas?) should be a great boost to ur application, especially during interviews.

so yes, architecture might be for u, assuming u will upgrade/brush up ur art skills for ur portfolio, ofcourse wink.gif.
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i got 2.92 in my cgpa , and my frined in the course now is 2.8 only . i think it is ok , bu tit would be a risk as it is very very competitive
i would say avoid putting the kl-based university at first choice as they are so HOT , most ppl will look at the city-based uni .

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hello guys,

i've got some questions here, and it has been surrounding me for quite some times here....

what's the differences between the IR and AR?
i know that, AR is more into designing and environmentally and IR is more into calculating and logically.. but when come in to housing development project, where those houses are not so depending on design (my dad's company is developing low-mid income housing)
i wants to know the POWER, QUALIFICATION, PERFORMANCE, CAPABILITY and JOB AREA between them.

can AR do IR job? or Via versa..
why i ask this? because in my dad's company, AR is juz design something out and sign to certify it, but still need to go through IR instead of everything, and IR can do AR job whether those houses are stable and those construction work is working under good performance, they even fight against those design plan designed by AR, where those plan sux much.. and IR have the right to change the drawing into more qualified plan and stable structure... (well indeed the AR hired by my dad's company really sux...)

for my point of view... IR is more powerful and capable than AR. hmm.gif doh.gif
correct me if im wrong...

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no comment , but as far as i know AR has higher priority than IR .
meanwhile, IR canot do AR's stuff . same goes to Ar cannot do Ir stuff . Although on paper Ar is higher ranked , but each different levels has different stuff to do .
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IR and AR are simply not related. AR is the title professional architects used in front of their names. IR is the title professional engineers (those accredited with BEM). No one is higher than another. Both are different disciplines.


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no comment , but as far as i know AR has higher priority than IR .
meanwhile, IR canot do AR's stuff . same goes to Ar cannot do Ir stuff . Although on paper Ar is higher ranked , but each different levels has different stuff to do .
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As per my reply to the previous post, ur statement is not quite right. Check up on Santiago Calatrava. He is first and foremost a structural engineer. Yet he is also able to practice as an architect. So an architect with an engineering background gives you an edge over most of ur peers wink.gif

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QUOTE(Lon3LyJay @ Mar 19 2008, 04:19 AM)
hello guys,

i've got some questions here, and it has been surrounding me for quite some times here....

what's the differences between the IR and AR?
i know that, AR is more into designing and environmentally and IR is more into calculating and logically.. but when come in to housing development project, where those houses are not so depending on design (my dad's company is developing low-mid income housing)
i wants to know the POWER, QUALIFICATION, PERFORMANCE, CAPABILITY and JOB AREA between them.

can AR do IR job? or Via versa..
why i ask this? because in my dad's company, AR is juz design something out and sign to certify it, but still need to go through IR instead of everything, and IR can do AR job whether those houses are stable and those construction work is working under good performance, they even fight against those design plan designed by AR, where those plan sux much.. and IR have the right to change the drawing into more qualified plan and stable structure... (well indeed the AR hired by my dad's company really sux...)

for my point of view... IR is more powerful and capable than AR. hmm.gif  doh.gif
correct me if im wrong...
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engineer doing architects job? sure, they sure would like to think they can.

there are hundreds of different things that could not be handled by an engineer simply bcoz they're not trained in it. one of it is the architect-client relationship. in construction, the architects are more similar to lawyers, protecting the needs and interests of the client from conniving thieves. this does not relate to design at all, which engineers are simply not qualified to do. if anything should happen to a project, dealings through an architect is protected by law, hence the client is legally safe. if the client did ever skip the architect and straight to the contractor for the example, it will expose them to all sorts of legal lawsuit.

it's not just what the architect can do, it's about what the profession offers legally. that's just one example.

in ur dad's company, it does seem that the IR are doing more than their job specifies, which is quite unprofessional of them. engineers only have right to suggest a change in the design, but it is still up to the architects' decision to do so. the architect has the ultimate final say as to agree or disagree with the engineer. if he is unsatisfied, he could just fire the engineer and get a different opinion, simple as that. remember that the engineer may suggest that the structure is unsound or very uneconomical, but in no way is the engineer qualified to say a design sucks. u dont wanna piss off an architect, bcoz architects talk - ALOT. if one architect bad mouths u, be sure the architects in the immediate vicinity will know about it wink.gif. and this is well within the architect's professional code of conduct.

simply put, although there are certain areas that the architecture and engineering profession overlaps, there are more areas that they dont, and u cant assume that an architect can do engineers job or vice versa, unless they are qualified (by certification or professional accreditation) to do so. if u're interesting in becoming both, there are architecture-engineering degrees (double major) being offered in UK schools.


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QUOTE(xtracooljustin @ Mar 19 2008, 03:15 PM)
IR and AR are simply not related. AR is the title professional architects used in front of their names. IR is the title professional engineers (those accredited with BEM). No one is higher than another. Both are different disciplines.


Added on March 19, 2008, 3:17 pm

As per my reply to the previous post, ur statement is not quite right. Check up on Santiago Calatrava. He is first and foremost a structural engineer. Yet he is also able to practice as an architect. So an architect with an engineering background gives you an edge over most of ur peers wink.gif
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sorry , i dont mean to compare structer engineers to architects .
based on the rank on the board or on the paper , the listing of architect is above eng. and ar. is ranked before eng. as they are supposed to meet the client. *as told by my brother.tongue.gif
what i mean is in terms of Ar or Ir who is ranked higher in terms of their job, i would say both got thier own thing . Ir cant do Ar thing , Ar cant do Ir stuff, each of them got their own expertise . i might get the thing wrong but that is what i know .
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Anybody who uses Sketchup software should check out this forum for like-minded ppl

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pushpullbar is a good forum which talking alot of architecture stuff & sketchup stuff.. I think that sketchup nowadays is common with alot of people.


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hello~

i just gradute from stpm and interest in taking architecture course in usm,upm and ukm.
As i know fron page 1,that both ukm and upm are currently unaccredited by LAM, and is only 3 years course.
May i know wat the path i can take to continue my part 2 in local uni?
is it necessary to have working experience to continue part 2 in usm,upm as well as ukm?
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As per my reply to the previous post, ur statement is not quite right. Check up on Santiago Calatrava. He is first and foremost a structural engineer. Yet he is also able to practice as an architect. So an architect with an engineering background gives you an edge over most of ur peers wink.gif


Hmmm...if I am not mistaken...

Architecture itself is already a very long and extensive course that one can be spending his/her entire life learning about it, am I right? (Kind of like a Doctor or Medicine course already where people can be spending their entire life learning the Art... am I right?)

Civil Engineering itself is also a very tough and extensive course as well, one that people can also be spending their entire life pursuing the knowledge of it, am I correct?

I am really baffled at how one can possibly become BOTH an Architect and a Civil Engineer as well. (Having the POWER and AUTHORITY in both fields...)

I am very impressed...

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if u're interesting in becoming both, there are architecture-engineering degrees (double major) being offered in UK schools.
Ahh, yeah, Taylor's also have Partnership Universities (I cannot recall how many) in the U.K. that offer such a Degree. (It is all written down in the broacher.)

Wait, I checked;

It is Loughborough University, England:

BSc (HONS) of Architectural Engineering & Design Management - 2 years.

BTW, how come some of the Degrees from various Universities either look Artistic (Arts type), whereabout some look Scientific (Technical type)?

For example;

University of Strathclyde, Scotland: Bachelor of Science (HONS) (Architectural Studies) - 2 years.

Robert Gordon University, Scotland: Bachelor of Science (HONS) (Architectural Technology) - 2 years.

Northumbria University, England: BSc (HONS) Architectural Technology - 2 years.

The rest are the Bachelor (BSc), or the BA, or the Masters of Architecture. (BTW, what is the difference between the BA and the BSc type Degrees?)

Part 1 type degrees;

The University of Melbourne: Bachelor of Environments - 1 year.

University of New South Wales: Bachelor of Built Environment (Architectural Studies) - 1 year.

Queensland University of Technology: Bachelor of Built Environment (Architectural Studies) - 1 year.

Deakin University: Bachelor of Arts (Architecture) - 1 year.

University of Newcastle: Bachelor of Design (Architecture) - 1 year.

University of Technology Sydney: Bachelor of Arts in Architecture - 1 year.

University of Tasmania: Bachelor of Environment Design - 1 year.

Victoria University of Wellington: Bachelor of Arts in Architectural Studies - 1 year (2 Trimesters)

What are the differences between the Arts and the Science type Architecture Degrees?

Will I get to learn the more technical stuffs in those Science type Degrees? (Or are all of the Degrees learning the same thing with just the difference in the names only?)

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QUOTE(Benjamin911 @ Mar 20 2008, 05:36 PM)
Hmmm...if I am not mistaken...

Architecture itself is already a very long and extensive course that one can be spending his/her entire life learning about it, am I right? (Kind of like a Doctor or Medicine course already where people can be spending their entire life learning the Art... am I right?)

Civil Engineering itself is also a very tough and extensive course as well, one that people can also be spending their entire life pursuing the knowledge of it, am I correct?

I am really baffled at how one can possibly become BOTH an Architect and a Civil Engineer as well. (Having the POWER and AUTHORITY in both fields...)

I am very impressed...
Check up Lilian Tay of Veritas. She's both as well...and a woman too. Girl power... laugh.gif

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hello guys,

i've got some questions here, and it has been surrounding me for quite some times here....

what's the differences between the IR and AR?
i know that, AR is more into designing and environmentally and IR is more into calculating and logically.. but when come in to housing development project, where those houses are not so depending on design (my dad's company is developing low-mid income housing)
i wants to know the POWER, QUALIFICATION, PERFORMANCE, CAPABILITY and JOB AREA between them.

can AR do IR job? or Via versa..
why i ask this? because in my dad's company, AR is juz design something out and sign to certify it, but still need to go through IR instead of everything, and IR can do AR job whether those houses are stable and those construction work is working under good performance, they even fight against those design plan designed by AR, where those plan sux much.. and IR have the right to change the drawing into more qualified plan and stable structure... (well indeed the AR hired by my dad's company really sux...)

for my point of view... IR is more powerful and capable than AR. hmm.gif  doh.gif
correct me if im wrong...
Wait...Let me guess...

The Architect is the one having the knowledge to design a building.

The Architect is the one having the capability to visualize, and imagine a building with his Spatial ability.

The Architect is the one having the knowledge of the buildings and the build environment.


The Architect is the one having the necessary skills, trainings, capabilities, knowledges, and qualities to design a building.

In short, the Architect is the "Specialist", the "Professional" & the "Expert" of the building & the build environment, and it is only the Architect who possesses the knowledge, expertise, skills, capabilities, qualities, & trainings that is necessary & required for the creation & designing of the buildings and the build environment in its entirety.

The Architect is the "SIFU!" of the Buildings and the Build Environment. (You do not touch my Expertise & Profession because you do not have the Knowledge for it OK???!!!)

Correct me if I am wrong. smile.gif

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QUOTE(Benjamin911 @ Mar 20 2008, 09:36 AM)
BTW, how come some of the Degrees from various Universities either look Artistic (Arts type), whereabout some look Scientific (Technical type)?

For example;

University of Strathclyde, Scotland: Bachelor of Science (HONS) (Architectural Studies) - 2 years.

Robert Gordon University, Scotland: Bachelor of Science (HONS) (Architectural Technology) - 2 years.

Northumbria University, England: BSc (HONS) Architectural Technology - 2 years.

The rest are the Bachelor (BSc), or the BA, or the Masters of Architecture. (BTW, what is the difference between the BA and the BSc type Degrees?)

Part 1 type degrees;

The University of Melbourne: Bachelor of Environments - 1 year.

University of New South Wales: Bachelor of Built Environment (Architectural Studies) - 1 year.

Queensland University of Technology: Bachelor of Built Environment (Architectural Studies) - 1 year.

Deakin University: Bachelor of Arts (Architecture) - 1 year.

University of Newcastle: Bachelor of Design (Architecture) - 1 year.

University of Technology Sydney: Bachelor of Arts in Architecture - 1 year.

University of Tasmania: Bachelor of Environment Design - 1 year.

Victoria University of Wellington: Bachelor of Arts in Architectural Studies - 1 year (2 Trimesters)

What are the differences between the Arts and the Science type Architecture Degrees?

Will I get to learn the more technical stuffs in those Science type Degrees? (Or are all of the Degrees learning the same thing with just the difference in the names only?)
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u're confusing urself between degree specializations and degree types. degree specialization is the title of the course, for example "architectural studies" or "architectural technology". degree types are the categorization of the degree based on the family of faculty that the school belongs to in the university's tree. architecture could be either arts or science, bcoz these are the two primary category in the world of knowledge. a university may put architecture into an arts faculty, while another puts them in a science faculty. some even have specialized into a built environment faculty.

there's no big difference in degree types, other than how they're managed by the university administration. what u should look for is the degree specialization if u seek to learn specific things in ur degree.

architectural technology obviously leans heavily on applied technologies in architecture, while architectural history is more on theory, philosophy and history.


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hello~

i just gradute from stpm and interest in taking architecture course in usm,upm and ukm.
As i know fron page 1,that both ukm and upm are currently unaccredited by LAM, and is only 3 years course.
May i know wat the path i can take to continue my part 2 in local uni?
is it necessary to have working experience to continue part 2 in usm,upm as well as ukm?
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i. accredited part 2 in malaysia is available at UTM, UM, USM and UiTM, while unaccredited part 2 is available at UPM, UKM and UIAM. do note that all part 1 courses are 3 years, and part 2 courses are 2 years. one exception is UTM, which combines both courses into one degree of 5 years that awards part 1 and 2 in one go.

ii. work experience is only necessary if u did not obtain good enough results to continue straight into degree. UM for example only allows those with exceptional results in part 1 to continue straight into part 2 without any industrial experience.

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u're confusing urself between degree specializations and degree types. degree specialization is the title of the course, for example "architectural studies" or "architectural technology". degree types are the categorization of the degree based on the family of faculty that the school belongs to in the university's tree. architecture could be either arts or science, bcoz these are the two primary category in the world of knowledge. a university may put architecture into an arts faculty, while another puts them in a science faculty. some even have specialized into a built environment faculty.


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there's no big difference in degree types, other than how they're managed by the university administration. what u should look for is the degree specialization if u seek to learn specific things in ur degree.
Oooo, I see...Thanks.

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architectural technology obviously leans heavily on applied technologies in architecture, while architectural history is more on theory, philosophy and history.
So, does the names of the Diplomas and the Degrees really indicate their focus/concentration?

For example, does a Bachelor (HONS) of Arts (Architecture) focus more on the Artistic aspects of Architecture and a Bachelor (HONS) of Science (Architecture) focus more on the Scientific aspects of Architecture?

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QUOTE(Benjamin911 @ Mar 20 2008, 10:57 AM)
Oooo, I see...Thanks.
So, does the names of the Diplomas and the Degrees really indicate their focus/concentration?

For example, does a Bachelor (HONS) of Arts (Architecture) focus more on the Artistic aspects of Architecture and a Bachelor (HONS) of Science (Architecture) focus more on the Scientific aspects of Architecture?
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no. u dont understand what i've said.

lets take an example: Bachelor of Arts (Hons) in Archtiectural Studies

Bachelor of Arts = degree type
Hons = degree achievement/distinction
Architectural Studies = degree specialization.



degree type does not indicate specialization. it is just how each university categorizes the degree system organized through each faculty. in this world, there are two primary fields: arts and science. hence why most courses u see out there starts either with BSc or BA. but there are other fields that doesnt really belong into these two fields like business, and there are others that are both like design. so how each university categorizes the degrees does not reflect on what u will learn.

my wife graduated with a Bachelor of Arts in Architectural Studies, but have a substantial amount amount science/engineering subjects that outweighs the art subjects. whatever category ur degree is in, it does not reflect specifically what u learn. as u can see, this is one of things that common rules doesnt apply in architecture wink.gif.
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QUOTE(azarimy @ Mar 20 2008, 08:09 PM)
no. u dont understand what i've said.

lets take an example: Bachelor of Arts (Hons) in Archtiectural Studies

Bachelor of Arts = degree type
Hons = degree achievement/distinction
Architectural Studies = degree specialization.
degree type does not indicate specialization. it is just how each university categorizes the degree system organized through each faculty. in this world, there are two primary fields: arts and science. hence why most courses u see out there starts either with BSc or BA. but there are other fields that doesnt really belong into these two fields like business, and there are others that are both like design. so how each university categorizes the degrees does not reflect on what u will learn.

my wife graduated with a Bachelor of Arts in Architectural Studies, but have a substantial amount amount science/engineering subjects that outweighs the art subjects. whatever category ur degree is in, it does not reflect specifically what u learn. as u can see, this is one of things that common rules doesnt apply in architecture wink.gif.
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OK thanks a lot, I understand it now.

However, do you have any idea on why the Taylor's school of Architecture entitled their Diploma;

Diploma in Architectural Technology when their Part 1 Degree is entitled Bachelor of Science (HONS) (Architecture)? In this case, is the Taylor's Diploma concentrating on Architectural Technology? (Or is it just another Science field name as well?)

BTW, just for information only, the University of Portsmouth, England entitled their degree as BA (HONS) Architecture. (It is a Part 2 Degree.)

Thanks for enlightening me that BA means Bachelor of Arts and BSc means Bachelor of Science. (Earlier I did not know that.)

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QUOTE(Benjamin911 @ Mar 20 2008, 04:33 PM)
OK thanks a lot, I understand it now.

However, do you have any idea on why the Taylor's school of Architecture entitled their Diploma;

Diploma in Architectural Technology when their Part 1 Degree is entitled Bachelor of Science (HONS) (Architecture)? In this case, is the Taylor's Diploma concentrating on Architectural Technology? (Or is it just another Science field name as well?)

BTW, just for information only, the University of Portsmouth, England entitled their degree as BA (HONS) Architecture. (It is a Part 2 Degree.)

Thanks for enlightening me that BA means Bachelor of Arts and BSc means Bachelor of Science. (Earlier I did not know that.)
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now u're getting it.

diploma on the other hand does not have any certificate types. all diploma are diplomas. no diploma of science in architecture or whatever. so taylor's diploma "Diploma in Architectural Technology" should be read as:

"[certificate type] in [field of specialization]" = "[diploma] in [architectural technology]"
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now u're getting it.

diploma on the other hand does not have any certificate types. all diploma are diplomas. no diploma of science in architecture or whatever. so taylor's diploma "Diploma in Architectural Technology" should be read as:


OK.

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"[certificate type] in [field of specialization]" = "[diploma] in [architectural technology]"


OK, I am glad to hear that the Taylor's Diploma in Architectural Technology is indeed concentrating, or focusing in "Architectural Technology"; and that the title is not just a name.

Since that is the case above..., I am now also curious about the Taylor's Bachelor [HONS] of Science (Architecture), whether is it also concentrating/focusing in "Architectural Technology"; thus being certified, or classified as a BSc.

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Added on March 22, 2008, 10:02 pmA question just pop up in my head just now;

Can the Architect also plan and design the road system? (Or is that the job of the Civil Engineer?)

Thanks a lot in advance.

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helo azarimy! im new here. i get to know this forum from my friend. im glad u share all infos bout architecture here . i get to know clearer bout it.
i juz finished my stpm n would like to know more bout d courses.

btw, can u explain a little bout landscape architecture? does its scope as big as d ordinary architecture? how bout d work load?
if i like plants, m i suitable for taking this course?
n i heard tat LA salary is quite low .

thanks !
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OK.
OK, I am glad to hear that the Taylor's Diploma in Architectural Technology is indeed concentrating, or focusing in "Architectural Technology"; and that the title is not just a name.

Since that is the case above..., I am now also curious about the Taylor's Bachelor [HONS] of Science (Architecture), whether is it also concentrating/focusing in "Architectural Technology"; thus being certified, or classified as a BSc.

Regards.


to tell u the truth, dont rely too much in the name. in malaysia, only part 2 degrees could use the title Bachelor of Architecture. any other degrees must use other names, hence why u have BSc in Architectural Studies, Architectural Science, Architectural Technology and so on. it may give u an idea of the emphasis that they have, but it's not necessarily must emphasis on that.

to really determine the school's emphasis, look into its subject list, and figure out the weightage of each subject. from there u can see roughly what the emphasis of the school really is.

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A question just pop up in my head just now;

Can the Architect also plan and design the road system? (Or is that the job of the Civil Engineer?) 

Thanks a lot in advance.

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yes, they can. part of the training in malaysia is urban design, where the student is trained to develop a large scale project, normally about the size of a small town (pekan). this is ofcourse conducted in groups. but the architect is not fully qualified to endorse road system alone. they must work with the planners. however, if they want, they could specialize in urban design and town planning with masters that would give proper qualifications to do just that.

road system is normally the work of the town/regional planner or road/transport/traffic engineer.
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to tell u the truth, dont rely too much in the name. in malaysia, only part 2 degrees could use the title Bachelor of Architecture. any other degrees must use other names, hence why u have BSc in Architectural Studies, Architectural Science, Architectural Technology and so on. it may give u an idea of the emphasis that they have, but it's not necessarily must emphasis on that.

to really determine the school's emphasis, look into its subject list, and figure out the weightage of each subject. from there u can see roughly what the emphasis of the school really is.
yes, they can. part of the training in malaysia is urban design, where the student is trained to develop a large scale project, normally about the size of a small town (pekan). this is ofcourse conducted in groups. but the architect is not fully qualified to endorse road system alone. they must work with the planners. however, if they want, they could specialize in urban design and town planning with masters that would give proper qualifications to do just that.

road system is normally the work of the town/regional planner or road/transport/traffic engineer.
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OK Azarimy. smile.gif

Thank you very much for your answers to my questions, my Architecture education will be starting from tomorrow onwards. cool2.gif

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OK Azarimy. smile.gif

Thank you very much for your answers to my questions, my Architecture education will be starting from tomorrow onwards.  cool2.gif

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and i know Friday we're going beach for site visiting~~ rclxm9.gif


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QUOTE(Little Fang)
helo azarimy! im new here. i get to know this forum from my friend. im glad u share all infos bout architecture here . i get to know clearer bout it.
i juz finished my stpm n would like to know more bout d courses.

btw, can u explain a little bout landscape architecture? does its scope as big as d ordinary architecture? how bout d work load?
if i like plants, m i suitable for taking this course?
n i heard tat LA salary is quite low .

thanks !
regards.


hello little fang,

landscape architecture is more of an environmental designer rather than what most people would think - a glorified gardener.

landscape architect is something between a designer and a botanist, where they have the essential design skills just like an architect, interior or graphic designers, but at the same time have substantial knowledge in botany and sociology with some basic construction knowledge.

and yes, u do get to learn all the scientific names of plants, its properties and characteristics, and how to apply them in ur design. if architects play around with materials such as concrete, steel, timber and what not, landscape architects play with plants and all that.

salary wise, landscape architects are paid about the same with interior designers - slightly less than an architect. workload is about the same, although landscape architects do learn an entirely different deal from what architects learn. so it's quite hard to say if the workload is REALLY the same or not.




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Hi, i come from an average family and thanks to my parents, they had work hard to provide me with education. Engineering is my 1st choice if i were to compare it to architecture. The main reason is a Master in Architecture(RIBA/RAIA/ PAM part 2) is very expensive and the whole progress takes at least 5 years. Another thing is that it's 2 separate degree. Let's say i take Bachelor of Science(Hons) Architecture in Taylor's. What are the requirements for me to enter a university for a masters degree that is PAM part 2 equivalent? Is there possibility of not getting enrolled? NUS offers Master of Architecture(RIBA) and has a very low cost comparing to other RAIA/RIBA master degrees overseas. But since it's a public university, does it accept BSc from private institutes?
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Today i attended a career talk, and the guys in charged (from taylor or sunway cant recall) said that taking English Literature actually helps in landing a job on the architecture field. izit really that necessary?
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Hi, i come from an average family and thanks to my parents, they had work hard to provide me with education. Engineering is my 1st choice if i were to compare it to architecture. The main reason is a Master in Architecture(RIBA/RAIA/ PAM part 2) is very expensive and the whole progress takes at least 5 years. Another thing is that it's 2 separate degree. Let's say i take Bachelor of Science(Hons) Architecture in Taylor's. What are the requirements for me to enter a university for a masters degree that is PAM part 2 equivalent? Is there possibility of not getting enrolled? NUS offers Master of Architecture(RIBA) and has a very low cost comparing to other RAIA/RIBA master degrees overseas. But since it's a public university, does it accept BSc from private institutes?


first things first.

not all part 2 qualification is offered via masters degree. in malaysia and most UK unis offer part 2 as a degree programme. it doesnt matter really in architecture, bcoz all the industry cares about is whether u hold a part 2 or not, not how far u've studied.

but it does concern the students, as the masters, a post-graduate degree, usually costs a few thousands more per year than an undergraduate degree. if money is an issue, u might be better off looking for a part 2 degree programme.

going into ur issues:

if u take degree in taylor's, the requirement for any part 2 universities is primarily a part 1 qualification. remember that taylor's degree is not accredited with part 1. so even if u graduate from there, u still do not hold sufficient qualifications to proceed to part 2.

so without a part 1, there's a possibility u wont get enrolled. however, most universities may consider u, if ur results are good with an exceptional portfolio, to join in at final year part 1 (3rd year 1st degree). finishing off the final year will award u with a proper part 1 qualifications, and later u will be able to continue with their part 2 programme. yes, it does take longer.

optionally, u could attempt to take ur part 1 exam independently. inquire with taylor's as how u can do that.

NUS do accept degrees from private universities, but similar to malaysian IPTAs, they would only consider u to a part 2 programme IF u've fulfilled the part 1 requirements.

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Today i attended a career talk, and the guys in charged (from taylor or sunway cant recall) said that taking English Literature actually helps in landing a job on the architecture field. izit really that necessary?


that's rubbish.

what u need is exquisite language proficiency, be it in BM or english, although it is preferred that u could master both. in malaysian architecture, u tend to juggle between both languages when u deal with clients (english/BM), contractors (english/BM), other consultants (english), local authorities (BM) and so on.

u need to be good, but not to the point u need to take english literature. i dont think those incharge knew exactly what english literature is all about. tell me their names, i'll get them fired from their school tongue.gif.




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that's rubbish.

what u need is exquisite language proficiency, be it in BM or english, although it is preferred that u could master both. in malaysian architecture, u tend to juggle between both languages when u deal with clients (english/BM), contractors (english/BM), other consultants (english), local authorities (BM) and so on.

u need to be good, but not to the point u need to take english literature. i dont think those incharge knew exactly what english literature is all about. tell me their names, i'll get them fired from their school tongue.gif.
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Based on some articles that I have read before, that is true actually.

The Arts definitely have a play in Architecture, be it Music (Different Genres), Humanity, English Literature, Religion, History, Culture, or even Psychology.

In addition to the above (Based on different Articles that I have read), it was also stated that Architecture also have its interest in the Sciences, Astronomy, Physics, Mathematics, Engineering, Innovations, Inventions and Technology.

In fact, a book that I read states;

Architects have a high degree of interest in designing and creating solutions to problems that involve both Engineering and Artistic principles. The Architect is interested in improving the buildings in which we live so that they are in keeping with the needs of today. Consequently, he is very observant of the problems around him - Social as well as Technical. He has an Appreciation for beauty and can see beauty in a well - Engineered Project.

The Architect must have the Engineer's ability to communicate graphically, orally, and in writing, but he will probably have greater Artistic Aptitude than the Engineer. His profession will require that he develop many drawings and pictorials that must be clearly understood, not only by people within the industrial field, but also by the client, who may have little understanding of detailed working drawings. Therefore, the Architect uses perspectives and Artistic methods to transmit his ideas so that they can be understood, approved, and finally realized in buildings.

The Architect must understand the Technical aspects of Engineering well enough to know how to obtain help when it is needed. A typical project requires him to be a coordinator of many Technical Fields. It is virtually impossible for him to be proficient in all the relevant fields, such as structures, air conditioning, heating, and landscaping; consequently, he must use consultants on large projects.

The Architect should have aptitude in Mathematics, Graphics, English, Social Topics, Physics, and Art. His need for Chemistry is less than that of the Engineer.

College training for the Architect is a five-year program with design emphasized throughout the entire period. He will take basic courses in Mathematics, Graphics, Materials, Physics, Engineering Mechanics, History, Structures, Environment Studies, City Planning, Mechanical & Electrical Equipment, and Landscaping. During each year of his college training, he will work on realistic design problems that will prepare him for entry into his profession.

Many Architects carry double majors whereby they obtain an Engineering Degree or a Business Administration Degree in addition to Architecture. The Master's Degree is being taken by more Architects now than in the past. However, the Master's Degree is less important for the Architect than for the Engineer.
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first things first.

not all part 2 qualification is offered via masters degree. in malaysia and most UK unis offer part 2 as a degree programme. it doesnt matter really in architecture, bcoz all the industry cares about is whether u hold a part 2 or not, not how far u've studied.

but it does concern the students, as the masters, a post-graduate degree, usually costs a few thousands more per year than an undergraduate degree. if money is an issue, u might be better off looking for a part 2 degree programme.

going into ur issues:

if u take degree in taylor's, the requirement for any part 2 universities is primarily a part 1 qualification. remember that taylor's degree is not accredited with part 1. so even if u graduate from there, u still do not hold sufficient qualifications to proceed to part 2.

so without a part 1, there's a possibility u wont get enrolled. however, most universities may consider u, if ur results are good with an exceptional portfolio, to join in at final year part 1 (3rd year 1st degree). finishing off the final year will award u with a proper part 1 qualifications, and later u will be able to continue with their part 2 programme. yes, it does take longer.

optionally, u could attempt to take ur part 1 exam independently. inquire with taylor's as how u can do that.

NUS do accept degrees from private universities, but similar to malaysian IPTAs, they would only consider u to a part 2 programme IF u've fulfilled the part 1 requirements.
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Does the Part 1 exam has grades? If i passed it and have a bachelor degree, is my chances of going to NUS for MArch still tough?
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Hi, i come from an average family and thanks to my parents, they had work hard to provide me with education. Engineering is my 1st choice if i were to compare it to architecture. The main reason is a Master in Architecture(RIBA/RAIA/ PAM part 2) is very expensive and the whole progress takes at least 5 years. Another thing is that it's 2 separate degree. Let's say i take Bachelor of Science(Hons) Architecture in Taylor's. What are the requirements for me to enter a university for a masters degree that is PAM part 2 equivalent? Is there possibility of not getting enrolled? NUS offers Master of Architecture(RIBA) and has a very low cost comparing to other RAIA/RIBA master degrees overseas. But since it's a public university, does it accept BSc from private institutes?
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Do not worry. Relax, things are looking very good for Diploma in Architecture students who are studying in Taylors School of Architecture & Building Design. smile.gif

Firstly, we will all be having the choice of the following universities after our Diploma in Architectural Technology; Universities that will be accepting us with a minimum cumulative average (achiever) of 60% only!!! rclxm9.gif That is too good to be true, and we (Diploma in Architecture) will also be going straight to the "Final" (3rd) year of their Part 1 Degree program.

You know, in the Malaysian Government Universities, you will only be allowed to enter into the 2nd year of their Part 1 Degree Program at the very best of your luck (I do not think that they would even accept you with a 60% cumulative average; you will need to be much better than that). In addition, the Malaysian Government Universities can also just reject you, seeing that you are from a private university.

On the other hand, those oversea universities listed out below will be ever willing to accept you at a 60% cumulative average and give you a place in the final year of their Part 1 Degree; smile.gif (These Universities also have their own Part 2 Architecture Degrees as listed in the parenthesizes.)

Loughborough University, England. [Part 2: BSc (HONS) of Architectural Engineering & Design Management - 2 years.]

University of Strathclyde, Scotland. [Part 2: Bachelor of Science (HONS) (Architectural Studies) - 2 years.]

Robert Gordon University, Scotland. [Part 2: Bachelor of Science (HONS) (Architectural Technology) - 2 years.]

Northumbria University, England. [Part 2: BSc (HONS) Architectural Technology - 2 years.]

The University of Melbourne, Australia. (Part 2: Upgraded to the Masters of Architecture - 2 years.)

The University of New South Wales. (Part 2: Bachelor of Architecture - 2 years.)

Queensland University of Technology. (Part 2: Bachelor of Architecture - 2 years.)

Deakin University. (Part 2: Bachelor of Architecture - 2 years.)

University of Newcastle. (Part 2: Bachelor of Architecture - 2 years.)

University of Technology Sydney. (Part 2: Bachelor of Architecture - 2 years.)

University of Tasmania. (Part 2: Bachelor of Architecture - 2 years.)

Victoria University of Wellington. (Part 2: Bachelor of Architecture - 2 years [4 Trimesters].)

University of Portsmouth, England. (BA [HONS] Architecture - 2 years.)

Secondly, we, Taylor's Diploma in Architectural Technology today, will be having the chance to study in the new Taylor's Flagship State of the Art Lakeside University Campus upon its completion next year. smile.gif

Thirdly, we will be having the option to remain back in Taylors by taking their Bachelor (Hons) of Science (Architecture), and then proceed to any of the universities listed up above straightaway into their Part 2 Degree! thumbup.gif

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just received offer for Taylor Bachelor 3yr Arch Degree this March intake but still pending if i should accept it and pay rm 58 k
(plus oversea 2yrs to get B.Arch + spend over 200k)

[Note: Not yet accr. by PAM nor LAM /JPA (so cant get PTPTN loan yet as no RUJ no.) .. just subject approved lo doh.gif ]

OR

go to study in 'King Mongkut's University of Technology Thonburi' School of Architecture in thailand straight down 5YRs B.Arch. for rm60k only
(need SAT 1 pass/ TOEFL or A-Level pass plus Portfolio ..i can make it rolleyes.gif )

Which path to choose.. i have very tight budget. . self supporting for next 5 yrs . sweat.gif


any comments recommendations..


Added on March 26, 2008, 7:01 pm

Secondly, we, Taylor's Diploma in Architectural Technology today, will be having the chance to study in the new Taylor's Flagship State of the Art Lakeside University Campus upon its completion next year. smile.gif


Taylor's new lake side will be completed in 2010-11 ..delay news from taylor s director

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to benjamin...Ya..u can continue ur study at taylors degree program after taylors own diploma..but u will have to start from 2nd year too,no different wif other local uni in malaysia....so i rather go Melb for my final year biggrin.gif


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to benjamin...Ya..u can continue ur study at taylors degree program after taylors own diploma..but u will have to start from 2nd year too,no different wif other local uni in malaysia....so i rather go Melb for my final year biggrin.gif
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Since that is clearly the case now, then I would be having the opportunity to stay in the new Taylor's lakeside campus for an even longer period of time! wink.gif

P.S., I am liking the Leisure Commerce Square building more and more as well... (It is pretty interesting...If you proceed to the roof level of the Hospitality & Tourism section for instance, you will discover that up there contains a surprising amount of greeneries and tons of air-conditioning units humming away...it will be a very peaceful place up there for me to perform my sketching assignments in the future.) smile.gif


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That is why we need to quickly support them! (You know that the rich G will only fund & support their own universities...)

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QUOTE(aprisis @ Mar 25 2008, 02:38 PM)
i dunno their names since i listened only partially. but i was sure i heard, "if employers see 2 applications, 1 with EL and another 1 without, the 1 with EL will be put in a category and will be considered 1st. that moment i was like, omgwtfbbq?
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even more rubbish. if i'm their boss, they'll be fired right then and there wink.gif.

QUOTE(Benjamin911 @ Mar 26 2008, 09:04 AM)
Based on some articles that I have read before, that is true actually.

The Arts definitely have a play in Architecture, be it Music (Different Genres), Humanity, English Literature, Religion, History, Culture, or even Psychology.

In addition to the above (Based on different Articles that I have read), it was also stated that Architecture also have its interest in the Sciences, Astronomy, Physics, Mathematics, Engineering, Innovations, Inventions and Technology.

In fact, a book that I read states;

Architects have a high degree of interest in designing and creating solutions to problems that involve both Engineering and Artistic principles. The Architect is interested in improving the buildings in which we live so that they are in keeping with the needs of today. Consequently, he is very observant of the problems around him - Social as well as Technical. He has an Appreciation for beauty and can see beauty in a well - Engineered Project.

The Architect must have the Engineer's ability to communicate graphically, orally, and in writing, but he will probably have greater Artistic Aptitude than the Engineer. His profession will require that he develop many drawings and pictorials that must be clearly understood, not only by people within the industrial field, but also by the client, who may have little understanding of detailed working drawings. Therefore, the Architect uses perspectives and Artistic methods to transmit his ideas so that they can be understood, approved, and finally realized in buildings.

The Architect must understand the Technical aspects of Engineering well enough to know how to obtain help when it is needed. A typical project requires him to be a coordinator of many Technical Fields. It is virtually impossible for him to be proficient in all the relevant fields, such as structures, air conditioning, heating, and landscaping; consequently, he must use consultants on large projects.

The Architect should have aptitude in Mathematics, Graphics, English, Social Topics, Physics, and Art. His need for Chemistry is less than that of the Engineer.

College training for the Architect is a five-year program with design emphasized throughout the entire period. He will take basic courses in Mathematics, Graphics, Materials, Physics, Engineering Mechanics, History, Structures, Environment Studies, City Planning, Mechanical & Electrical Equipment, and Landscaping. During each year of his college training, he will work on realistic design problems that will prepare him for entry into his profession.

Many Architects carry double majors whereby they obtain an Engineering Degree or a Business Administration Degree in addition to Architecture. The Master's Degree is being taken by more Architects now than in the past. However, the Master's Degree is less important for the Architect than for the Engineer.
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what u should also understand is that architects may venture to give more emphasis on one aspect of architecture and lessen the others. a single school may even produce a multitude of architects with various different emphasis and skillset. an example of UTM, we have generally 7 specializations: urban, environmental, socio-cultural, architectonic/technology, history/conservation, vernacular/regionalism and theory/philosophy. so a student may specialize in environmental design and become an expert in anything about it, but at the same time absolutely crap in theory and philosophy.

relating back to whether english literature would contribute to higher chance of getting a job? i highly doubt so. mainly bcoz it doesnt relate directly to design and architecture. english literature might fit as a sub-topic in theory/philosophy, but for environment-prone practices currently popular in malaysia, i doubt firms would give priority of english literature over, say, an expertise in tropical climate designs.

QUOTE(tomatos @ Mar 26 2008, 09:40 AM)
Does the Part 1 exam has grades? If i passed it and have a bachelor degree, is my chances of going to NUS for MArch still tough?
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no. LAM exams only have a pass and fail. i cant really say much about ur chances in NUS other than u're competing with hundreds of other singaporeans, not to mention other international students.

QUOTE(Benjamin911 @ Mar 26 2008, 10:22 AM)
Do not worry. Relax, things are looking very good for Diploma in Architecture students who are studying in Taylors School of Architecture & Building Design. smile.gif

Firstly, we will all be having the choice of the following universities after our Diploma in Architectural Technology; Universities that will be accepting us with a minimum cumulative average (achiever) of 60% only!!! rclxm9.gif That is too good to be true, and we (Diploma in Architecture) will also be going straight to the "Final" (3rd) year of their Part 1 Degree program.

You know, in the Malaysian Government Universities, you will only be allowed to enter into the 2nd year of their Part 1 Degree Program at the very best of your luck (I do not think that they would even accept you with a 60% cumulative average; you will need to be much better than that).


the 60% average is a "deal" that taylor's have made with those universities. it should never be translated as the diploma programme holds a higher quality than others. this is what partnership/twinning programmes all about.

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In addition, the Malaysian Government Universities can also just reject you, seeing that you are from a private university.


no we dont. we reject students with low achievements, regardless whether they're from private or public. never assume about such things.

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On the other hand, those oversea universities listed out below will be ever willing to accept you at a 60% cumulative average and give you a place in the final year of their Part 1 Degree; smile.gif (These Universities also have their own Part 2 Architecture Degrees as listed in the parenthesizes.) 

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Secondly, we, Taylor's Diploma in Architectural Technology today, will be having the chance to study in the new Taylor's Flagship State of the Art Lakeside University Campus upon its completion next year. smile.gif

Thirdly, we will be having the option to remain back in Taylors by taking their Bachelor (Hons) of Science (Architecture), and then proceed to any of the universities listed up above straightaway into their Part 2 Degree! thumbup.gif

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part 2 equivalent, not accredited with part 2 yet wink.gif.

QUOTE(iphonegizmo @ Mar 26 2008, 10:52 AM)
just received offer for Taylor Bachelor 3yr Arch Degree this March intake but still pending if i should accept it and pay rm 58 k 
(plus oversea 2yrs to get B.Arch + spend over 200k)

[Note: Not yet accr. by PAM nor  LAM /JPA  (so cant get  PTPTN loan yet as no RUJ no.) .. just subject approved lo doh.gif ]

OR

go to study in 'King Mongkut's University of Technology Thonburi' School of Architecture in thailand straight down 5YRs B.Arch. for rm60k only
(need SAT 1 pass/ TOEFL  or A-Level pass  plus Portfolio ..i can make it  rolleyes.gif )

Which path to choose.. i have very tight budget. . self supporting for next 5 yrs . sweat.gif
any comments recommendations..


i'm not quite sure about king mongkut's university of technology, so i cant really give good replies to assist ur judgement.


QUOTE(iphonegizmo @ Mar 26 2008, 03:10 PM)
LAM
Part I and II  Examination.. anyone know what kind of exam (interview, academic writing, or  ..?
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it usually includes a review of past works and an interview. if those two are unsatisfactory, u will be required to sit for an assignment (report writing or that sort of thing). u can find more info about the exam in LAM's website.

QUOTE(aprisis @ Mar 26 2008, 05:05 PM)
is there actually much difference between ADP and the one offered in Taylor (not sure which)? from what my counselor told me ADP is only 4 years while the latter 1 is 6 years. She also said the syllabus are identical but a 2 years gap?
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ADP? american degree programme?
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QUOTE(aprisis @ Mar 26 2008, 09:54 PM)
Yeah american degree program smile.gif
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i still dont get u. u're comparing which ADP with which course?

if u're talking in general, american architecture courses are very different and not widely accepted in malaysia. a close colleague of mine, a Phd already with an associate professor title, had to take the LAM part 1 and 2 exams bcoz his archtiecture degree from university of miami (one of the prestigious architecture schools in the UK) is not recognized in malaysia.

my point is, they are VERY different.


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QUOTE(azarimy @ Mar 27 2008, 06:05 AM)
i still dont get u. u're comparing which ADP with which course?

if u're talking in general, american architecture courses are very different and not widely accepted in malaysia. a close colleague of mine, a Phd already with an associate professor title, had to take the LAM part 1 and 2 exams bcoz his archtiecture degree from university of miami (one of the prestigious architecture schools in the UK) is not recognized in malaysia.

my point is, they are VERY different.
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sorry sorry tongue.gif

i had to wait for a friend of mine to confirm.

its ADP and Melbourne Degree Programme. do u know anything about them?
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QUOTE(aprisis @ Mar 27 2008, 08:25 AM)
sorry sorry  tongue.gif

i had to wait for a friend of mine to confirm.

its ADP and Melbourne Degree Programme. do u know anything about them?
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still, u havent told us which ADP u're referring to. in the US, each state has its own code of practice for architecture. if malaysia has LAM, UK has RIBA and australia has RAIA, each state in the US has its own governing body for the practice. so u gotta be very specific which school are u gonna end up with in the US before we can start to compare anything.

and after u've decided that, do tell us what sorta difference r u looking for wink.gif. and dont ask about quality, bcoz there's no way to compare them.
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not very detail, but i juz wanna know y the difference in years doh.gif
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not very detail, but i juz wanna know y the difference in years doh.gif
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without knowing where u gonna end up in, it's very hard to tell u what's the difference and why. i suggest u try to wiki more info on american architecture programmes to get an idea of how different they are. u can start by understanding that US universities do not require a pre-u programme.
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there is few quality staff at king mongkut's university of technology
KMUTT SoAD with Phds from MIT.. and many awards ,few foreigners .. umm

how about taylor college..

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there is few quality staff at king mongkut's university of technology
KMUTT SoAD with Phds from MIT.. and many awards ,few foreigners .. umm

how about taylor college..
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Based on what I was told, the minimum qualification of the lecturers in the School of Architecture & Building Design is a Masters Degree, and that all of them are having good English proficiency. (Based from my observations so far, the lecturers were capable of giving good lectures, and they were also fluent in English.)

The "Standard" is clearly there, at Taylors. (BTW, if their Architecture course is being moderated by the University of Melbourne, then it would definitely need to be having the standard.)

Recently, there was a famous Architect who came to share his works with all of us, his works was great to say the least. (I really cannot describe how fantastic the works are, you will need to see it to know how awesome it is.)

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Based on what I was told, the minimum qualification of the lecturers in the School of Architecture & Building Design is a Masters Degree, and that all of them are having good English proficiency. (Based from my observations so far, the lecturers were capable of giving good lectures, and they were also fluent in English.)

The "Standard" is clearly there, at Taylors. (BTW, if their Architecture course is being moderated by the University of Melbourne, then it would definitely need to be having the standard.)

Recently, there was a famous Architect who came to share his works with all of us, his works was great to say the least. (I really cannot describe how fantastic the works are, you will need to see it to know how awesome it is.)
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which as compared to IPTAs, where the minimum qualification for a lecturer is a PhD.

by the way, taylor's use melbourne's curriculum, hence why it is being moderated by melbourne. a good school would be able to moderate themselves rather than having another school tell them which should pass, and which shouldnt. what it basically says is that "taylor's, u may use our curriculum and teach however u want, but we have the final say of what happens to the student".

u shouldnt confuse between moderation and external examination. external examination determines the standard between schools, where independent experts gather in ur school and assess the school's standards.
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Excuse me fellow seniors, i'd like to ask something.

Will i be called for interview if my choices during UPU application is as follow.

1) diploma sains aktuari <---- heh, although it is my first choice but i'm not eligible to enter their program.
2) diploma kejuruteraan mekanikal UTM < they'll only choose top student.
3) diploma senibina UTM
4) diploma kejuruteraan elektrik perhubungan UTM.


basically, will i be called for interview for architectural since it is 3rd in my choice? i'm think i might not be getting the first 2 choice. any chances for me to get called for interview for architectural?

btw, here is my SPM 2007 result,

A1= BM, BI
A2= Sej, Pendidikan Islam, Math
B3= LK, TK, EST
B4= Chem
C5= phy, add math


i came from SBP school. is it true that student from sbp will be given priority? as far as i know, they only get priority for matriculation.

heh, not doing well for my spm. any chances for interview. btw, azarimy once mention that i might be called for interview, juz wanna ask from different people opinion.
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QUOTE(azarimy @ Mar 28 2008, 03:30 AM)
which as compared to IPTAs, where the minimum qualification for a lecturer is a PhD.

by the way, taylor's use melbourne's curriculum, hence why it is being moderated by melbourne. a good school would be able to moderate themselves rather than having another school tell them which should pass, and which shouldnt. what it basically says is that "taylor's, u may use our curriculum and teach however u want, but we have the final say of what happens to the student".

u shouldnt confuse between moderation and external examination. external examination determines the standard between schools, where independent experts  gather in ur school and assess the school's standards.
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That was my point. wink.gif

I am glad to know that Taylor's Architecture program is moderated by the University of Melbourne. (Considering that the University of Melbourne is a top Architecture school.) smile.gif

When I was enrolling into the Architecture program at Taylors, the admission officer had to inquire with the University of Melbourne on whether I could be accepted into the Architecture program or not. (The Melbourne U had to screen through my high school accomplishments and results.)

If Taylor's program is moderated by the University of Melbourne, then Taylors need to live up to the standard. icon_idea.gif

[I cannot imagine Taylor's students graduating from a below par program, and then getting twinned to the University of Melbourne at a 60% cumulative average...] Taylors have to be good for the University of Melbourne to be able to accept their students at a 60% cumulative average.

It is not just the University of Melbourne that will be the only one accepting Taylor's students at a 60% cumulative average, but the following list of Universities will too >>>

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Regarding the lecturers, a Masters Degree should already be adequate for the Diploma program, and for the Part 1 Degree program as well.

Why waste more $$$$ to employ PHD holders to lecture subjects that could be taught just as well by Masters Degree holders??? (Do you need to pay an Automotive Engineer to become your car mechanic, when a car mechanic, for less $$$$, could do the job for you just as well at this level???)

Anyway, the lecturers of Taylors is not a problem at all, as they are good.

BTW, I just came across the following statements from the student's handbook >>>

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Review of Student Work:

Student work completed during the semester that has been reviewed by Taylor's
School of Architecture · Building · Design lecturers will be retrieved and presented at a
scheduled time to moderators from the Faculty of Architecture, Building and Planning
of The University of Melbourne (for the Diploma in Architectural Technology, Diploma
in Quantity Surveying and Diploma in Construction Management) and the Faculty of
Built Environment and Engineering of Queensland University of Technology (for the
Diploma in Interior Design).

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THE UNIVERSITY OF MELBOURNE
FACULTY OF ARCHITECTURE, BUILDING AND PLANNING:

Internationally recognised for its high standards in teaching, learning and research, the
University of Melbourne is one of Australia's largest universities with over 37,000
undergraduate and postgraduate students enrolled in teaching and research
programmes supported by over 5,000 staff. With 150 years of excellence, it is ranked
as Australia's top university in the Times Higher Education Guide 2005, and was
awarded the Australian University of the Year 2001-2002.
The University of Melbourne introduced architecture studies in the 1860s, with the first
full time course in 1927. The Faculty of Architecture, Building and Planning has an
outstanding reputation for educating top-class professionals in the wide range of
disciplines involved in the planning, design, production and management of the built
and natural environment. As a partner university, the role of The University of
Melbourne is to provide moderation and quality assurance of the Architectural
Technology, Quantity Surveying and Construction Management programmes, through
the Faculty of Architecture, Building and Planning.




"Moderated by The University of Melbourne." Taylors have to be up to the standard. icon_idea.gif

This is what I meant when I said;

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If Taylor's Architecture program is being moderated by the University of Melbourne, then they would definitely need to be having the standard.


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QUOTE(Benjamin911 @ Mar 28 2008, 08:08 AM)
That was my point. wink.gif

I am glad to know that Taylor's Architecture program is moderated by the University of Melbourne. (Considering that the University of Melbourne is a top Architecture school.) smile.gif

When I was enrolling into the Architecture program at Taylors, the admission officer had to inquire with the University of Melbourne on whether I could be accepted into the Architecture program or not. (The Melbourne U had to screen through my high school accomplishments and results.)

If Taylor's program is moderated by the University of Melbourne, then Taylors need to live up to the standard.  icon_idea.gif

[I cannot imagine Taylor's students graduating from a below par program, and then getting twinned to the University of Melbourne at a 60% cumulative average...] Taylors have to be good for the University of Melbourne to be able to accept their students at a 60% cumulative average.

It is not just the University of Melbourne that will be the only one accepting Taylor's students at a 60% cumulative average, but the following list of Universities will too >>>


it is very possible for someone to graduate below par from taylor's. they just dont get to further their studies in melbourne.


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Regarding the lecturers, a Masters Degree should already be adequate for the Diploma program, and for the Part 1 Degree progrm as well.

Why waste more $$$$ to employ PHD holders to lecture subjects that could be taught just as well by Masters Degree holders??? (Do you need to pay an Automotive Engineer to become your car mechanic, when a car mechanic, for less $$$$, could do the job for you just as well at this level???)


that's what most people think. in actual fact, a masters degree doesnt carry much weight in conducting academic programmes, as they are not the expert in the fields they're teaching. they are not qualified to review or change the syllabus, hence depraved from being a full academic. why waste more money to employ phd holders? bcoz they own the knowledge they're teaching. it's copyrighted to their name. u will learn first hand knowledge from the person who discovers it.

i wouldnt argue that there are good lecturers holding only a masters. i'll let to go through tertiery education first. u will realize ur perception will change, that masters is not much different from a degree, but a long-long way from a PhD. more over, holding a masters doesnt guarantee they can teach. remember, lecturers are NOT trained to teach. if u expect lecturers to teach, u're already way off in ur expectations wink.gif.

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@azarimy

let's say i do take up architecture, from ur view, which kind of course should i take?

sry if i'm bugging..coz i'm a form5 without much knowledge about these but dun wanna wait till spm is over to get knowing doh.gif
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@azarimy

let's say i do take up architecture, from ur view, which kind of course should i take?

sry if i'm bugging..coz i'm a form5 without much knowledge about these but dun wanna wait till spm is over to get knowing doh.gif
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what kind of course to take?

err... architecture laa. what else? biggrin.gif
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oops..i thought there's different kind of them?
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oops..i thought there's different kind of them?
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not so much. there's no differentiation in architecture courses, unlike engineering, where u have mechanical, electrical, electronic etc.

all architectural programmes will train u the same basics, more or less, with some emphasis according to the school's philosophy. emphasis doesnt carry much difference. u still learn the same thing, u just spend more time learning things that they emphasis about.
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erm..ok..

how do i become a full fledged architect? is gaining work experience a must? or once i graduate i'm officially one?
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erm..ok..

how do i become a full fledged architect? is gaining work experience a must? or once i graduate i'm officially one?
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depends on what u mean by "full-fledged". if u're talking about becoming a chartered architect with part 3, then yes, u need at least 2 years work experience or accumulate enough experience in the logbooks. graduation only makes u an architect (part 2).

this have been discussed in page 1. do refer.
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it is very possible for someone to graduate below par from taylor's. they just dont get to further their studies in melbourne.


Emm...60% cumulative average for Taylor's students to get accepted into all those oversea universities listed up above, including the University of Melbourne, is already a very good deal IMO! wink.gif

What is the minimum cumulative average that UTM's Part 1 Degree would require of it's Diploma graduates? (Is it a 60% as well?)

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that's what most people think. in actual fact, a masters degree doesnt carry much weight in conducting academic programmes, as they are not the expert in the fields they're teaching. they are not qualified to review or change the syllabus, hence depraved from being a full academic. why waste more money to employ phd holders? bcoz they own the knowledge they're teaching. it's copyrighted to their name. u will learn first hand knowledge from the person who discovers it.

i wouldnt argue that there are good lecturers holding only a masters. i'll let to go through tertiery education first. u will realize ur perception will change, that masters is not much different from a degree, but a long-long way from a PhD. more over, holding a masters doesnt guarantee they can teach. remember, lecturers are NOT trained to teach. if u expect lecturers to teach, u're already way off in ur expectations wink.gif.


Alright, what you said might be true, and I wouldn't want to dispute it.

However, regardless of whether the lecturers of Taylors School of Architecture & Building Design are Masters Degree holders or PHD holders, I have the confidence that all of them need to be good enough to conduct the program, considering that Taylor's Architecture program is being moderated by the University of Melbourne today. (Taylors is already in partnership with the University of Melbourne, and Taylor's students will be furthering their studies in the University of Melbourne later on, how can Taylors afford to be sub par?)

According to the handbook;

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In February 2000, SBE students successfully transferred to The University of Melbourne
to pursue degree studies in Architecture and Quantity Surveying.
This proved to be a
watershed in the development of the School that would have its effect to the present
day. The College's management instigated a plan to upgrade the quality of the built
environment programmes to respond to the government's call for world-class designs
for buildings and international standards of building and infrastructure management.
The School was also undergoing expansion and a new partnership was sought through
discussions with many universities around the world.
Furthermore, that was before Taylors had the partnership with the University of Melbourne! Which only happened later on;

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In 2001, The University of Melbourne, internationally recognised for its high standards
in teaching, learning and research, was unanimously selected to offer degree pathways
for Diploma graduates of SBE.
A new programme named the Diploma in Building
Studies (Architectural Technology/Quantity Surveying) was developed by the staff of
SBE and an agreement was signed with the Dean of the Faculty of Architecture,
Building and Planning, to provide moderation and quality assurance services.


Ehem..., Taylors need to be good, and their lecturers need to be capable. smile.gif (BTW, I only heard that the minimum qualification that the lecturers are having at Taylors School of Architecture & Building Design is a Masters Degree...there might easily be some who are PHD holders as well.) Some of the S.A.B.D. lecturers look pretty old...I would not be surprise that they are PHD holders, whereabout the younger ones are the Masters Degree holders.

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Full fledge? Eat lots of junkies every night that you are up. Sure you'll be full fledge soon laugh.gif Anyway, to be a master architect (another definition of full fledge), you need to excel in your field of specialization and be able to design anything ranging from furniture to follies, bridges to airports, renovating heritage buildings to introducing new ones to complement the heritage buildings...not an easy job.
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Erm....i'm kinda new here..... mind to let me know whether UIA AED foundation that is offer in UPU has an interview 1st b4 entering it?

and can u explain me more details bout the portfolio? 1 more thing.....

my spm result was 2a1=english,modmath 2a2=agama islam,addmath 3b3=b.melayu,sejarah,physics 2b4=biology,sport sc.

so am i qualified enuff for UIA AED foundation? icon_question.gif
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ill make this clear n short

i applied UCAS n got this conditional offers for undergraduate studies (architecture):

-->>UNI OF PLYMOUTH<<--
-->>UNI OF PORTSMOUTH<--

duration: 3 years
tuition fees: 8,750 pounds
course start: 22sept 08


i am really,badly in need of financial support! sweat.gif u know how expensive studying in uk will be...
but that will not stop me cz im very determine to study there!

i got 6A in spm (yeah..i wish i could get better..huuu) n will finish my foundation in architecture at Center Of Foundation Studies of IIUM (CFS IIUM) in june..but i already finish all my core course.
my personal estimation is to get 3.4-3.5 cgpa.


really hope u guys reading this could help me. rolleyes.gif
ive been browsing for days searching scholarships (if i cant get one, i should probably need to get a loan instead whistling.gif ) but there's prob like:

-only for LOCAL UNI
-ARCHITECTURE course is EXCLUDED
-not QUALIFIED (like for sime darby n Yayasan Khazanah Global Scholarship)
-wont sponsor for students GOING TO UK (yes..mara n jpa)
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ok, so after i graduate, i'm a part 2 architect, another 2 years of work experience i'm into part 3 already?


Added on March 29, 2008, 6:21 pmfrom the chart there isnt part 3. so i assume everyone automatically upgrades to part 3 after 2 years?

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QUOTE(aNNd33 @ Mar 28 2008, 07:13 PM)
Erm....i'm kinda new here..... mind to let me know whether UIA AED foundation that is offer in UPU has an interview 1st b4 entering it?

and can u explain me more details bout the portfolio? 1 more thing.....

my spm result was 2a1=english,modmath 2a2=agama islam,addmath 3b3=b.melayu,sejarah,physics 2b4=biology,sport sc.

so am i qualified enuff for UIA AED foundation?  icon_question.gif
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u need to check with UIA's foundation requirement. i'm only familiar with intakes AFTER pre-university levels.

refer to the FAQs (in page 1) for details on the portfolio.

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hello! smile.gif
ill make this clear n short

i applied UCAS n got this conditional offers for undergraduate studies (architecture):

-->>UNI OF PLYMOUTH<<--
-->>UNI OF PORTSMOUTH<--

duration: 3 years
tuition fees: 8,750 pounds
course start: 22sept 08
i am really,badly in need of financial support! sweat.gif u know how expensive studying in uk will be...
but that will not stop me cz im very determine to study there!

i got 6A in spm (yeah..i wish i could get better..huuu) n will finish my foundation in architecture at Center Of Foundation Studies of IIUM (CFS IIUM) in june..but i already finish all my core course.
my personal estimation is to get 3.4-3.5 cgpa.
really hope u guys reading this could help me. rolleyes.gif
ive been browsing for days searching scholarships (if i cant get one, i should probably need to get a loan instead whistling.gif ) but there's prob like:

-only for LOCAL UNI
-ARCHITECTURE course is EXCLUDED
-not QUALIFIED (like for sime darby n Yayasan Khazanah Global Scholarship)
-wont sponsor for students GOING TO UK (yes..mara n jpa)
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i'm not sure how i could help here. i'm not very familiar with fundings.

QUOTE(aprisis @ Mar 29 2008, 10:18 AM)
ok, so after i graduate, i'm a part 2 architect, another 2 years of work experience i'm into part 3 already?


Added on March 29, 2008, 6:21 pmfrom the chart there isnt part 3. so i assume everyone automatically upgrades to part 3 after 2 years?
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the chart stops at part 2 bcoz that's where ur formal education in architecture stops. this section is called the education essentials, hence i just summarized it in one paragraph. there's only one way to get part 3, that is via part 2, practice for about 2 years and fill the logbook, and sit for the part 3 exam. it's not automatic, and the exam could be too hard for some, which is why we only have about 1600 part 3 architects in malaysia right now, despite producing roughly 500 part 2 architects per year.


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ok, so after i graduate, i'm a part 2 architect, another 2 years of work experience i'm into part 3 already?


Added on March 29, 2008, 6:21 pmfrom the chart there isnt part 3. so i assume everyone automatically upgrades to part 3 after 2 years?
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In Architecture, there are two (2) degrees; the Part 1 Degree and the Part 2 Degree.

If you start your Architecture education today, you will be starting straightaway at the Part 1 Degree if you have any Pre-U (A-Levels, HSC, etc...) or the Foundation of the Part 1 Degree program. (The Foundation need to be the Foundation of that Particular Part 1 Degree program.) In addition, you can also take a Diploma in Architecture and then continue into the second (2nd) year of the Part 1 Degree program. Unlike the Foundation, which only applies to it's Part 1 Degree program, the Diploma can be used to apply to any of the Part 1 Degree programs around the World! (However, bear in mind that taking the Diploma route is longer, but it will give you a more solid grounding of Architecture.)

Finally, after you have finished your Part 1 Degree program, you can either choose to work for a while, or continue to the Part 2 Degree program to finish off your Architecture studies. For your Part 2 Degree, you will have the option to continue it locally, or continue it overseas.

According to Azarimy;

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4.2. Accredited International Schools

Studying overseas is one of the recommended option to study architecture. It is advised that an architect to travel as much as they can, to understand other buildings, arts and cultures. I personally would recommend studying in Europe, as you can really benefit a lot from travel. Listed below are accredited schools by LAN & LAM, which upon graduation, you will be automatically awarded PAM part 2, an additional qualification apart from the given RIBA equivalent.

(Meaning if you graduated from these schools, you can work both overseas and in Malaysia.)

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BTW, I did not know that some of Taylor's partnership Universities are having two (2) Accreditations! blink.gif

From the list:

Robert Gordon University, Scotland.

University of Strathclyde, Scotland.

University of Portsmouth, England.

Deakin University.

The University of Melbourne, Australia.

University of Newcastle.

The University of New South Wales.

WTH??? Even Curtin University of Technology is accredited by LAM - PAM??? (That is LIMKOKWING's partnership university lol! laugh.gif)

This is a surprise to me! (Azarimy, are you sure that the University of Melbourne is also accredited by LAM - PAM??? biggrin.gif) Why haven't I known this before??!! rclxms.gif

To continue from where I left just now;

When you finish your Part 2 Degree, you are finally known as the real Architect; the one who can practice Architecture! (The MASTER BUILDER!) cool2.gif

You will have the option to register with the Board of Architects Malaysia to become a Chartered (Professional) Part 3 Architect. After registering as a Part 3 Architect, you will have to work for a minimum of two (2) years and fulfill the requirements, and then finally sit for the Part 3 exam in order to qualify as a Part 3 (Chartered/Professional) Architect.

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hello. i would like to ask something.
i would like to apply diploma seni bina for politeknik. So, i would like to ask students or lecturer in architecture. I would lyke to ask you have you meet any student from politeknik diploma? how do they perform? because i heard thet politeknik student don't perform well in their degree. how bout politeknik students for architecture?

Edited: any other experienced stuedent or lecturer can give their opinion?

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QUOTE(Benjamin911 @ Mar 29 2008, 11:30 AM)

WTH??? Even Curtin University of Technology is accredited by LAM - PAM??? (That is LIMKOKWING's partnership university lol! laugh.gif)

This is a surprise to me! (Azarimy, are you sure that the University of Melbourne is also accredited by LAM - PAM??? biggrin.gif) Why haven't I known this before??!! rclxms.gif


where did i say melb or curtin is accredited by LAM/PAM? no they are not.

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To continue from where I left just now;

When you finish your Part 2 Degree, you are finally known as the real Architect; the one who can practice Architecture! (The MASTER BUILDER!) cool2.gif


i would refrain from using the term "master builder". master builder is a term reserved from super architects who not only have built prestigious designs, but more importantly, have significantly contributed to the architectural world and influenced other architects. holding a part 3 with the title AR infront of ur name does not allow u to call urself a master builder. especially dont simply use the term infront of other architects/lecturers, coz u'll become the laughing stock of the community biggrin.gif.

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You will have the option to register with the Board of Architects Malaysia to become a Chartered (Professional) Part 3 Architect. After registering as a Part 3 Architect, you will have to work for a minimum of two (2) years and fulfill the requirements, and then finally sit for the Part 3 exam in order to qualify as a Part 3 (Chartered/Professional) Architect.
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haih... no.

first, after graduating with a part 2, u will register urself with LAM as a part 2 architect. this will start ur journey to fill in the log book by practicing for 2 years and fulfill the requirements. at the end of the day, the committee will review ur logbook. and if they're satisfied, u will be able to sit for the exam. once passed, u will register urself as a part 3 architect.

u dont register as part 3 to take the part 3 exam. the term registration assumes u've already achieved all the requirements.

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hello. i would like to ask something.
i would like to apply diploma seni bina for politeknik. So, i would like to ask students or lecturer in architecture. I would lyke to ask you have you meet any student from politeknik diploma? how do they perform? because i heard thet politeknik student don't perform well in their degree. how bout politeknik students for architecture?

Edited: any other experienced stuedent or lecturer can give their opinion?
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i've had a lot of experience with poly students, both from diploma and certificate. if anything u can say about them, not performing well is not one of them. remember that architecture is more of a hands on learning, where u will spend more time doing than reading. this is something the poly students are damn good at: DOING. with rigorous trainings in poly, they have a firm technical foundations with drawing skills that most straight to degree students could ever dream of.

ofcourse, those i've experienced are top poly students who got selected into UTM. it means i have not met anybody from the lower end of the food chain. regardless, the poly students that i've met have extremely good drawing skills. when most mainstream students would spend time trying to draw their ideas for the entire night, the polys just stream through their ideas at 10 A3s per hour. when they're good, they're THAT good.

i think the 'bad perception' about poly students starts off from the low SPM intake. people always say if u cant qualify for a degree or diploma, go poly. this ends up with people saying polys are only a place for those who didnt score SPM. in actual fact, it's not. poly is a higher level of vocational training. it's totally different from mainstream academic. architecture itself is totally different from mainstream academic, hence why poly students fare pretty well in it.

i cant say the same for other courses though.
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where did i say melb or curtin is accredited by LAM/PAM? no they are not.


Then what is this >>>

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4.2. Accredited International Schools

Studying overseas is one of the recommended option to study architecture. It is advised that an architect to travel as much as they can, to understand other buildings, arts and cultures. I personally would recommend studying in Europe, as you can really benefit a lot from travel. Listed below are accredited schools by LAN & LAM, which upon graduation, you will be automatically awarded PAM part 2, an additional qualification apart from the given RIBA equivalent.

(Meaning if you graduated from these schools, you can work both overseas and in Malaysia.)

AUSTRALIA

Adelaide, Canberra, Deakin, Melbourne, Royal Melbourne Institute of Technology (RMIT), Newcastle, New South Wales (NSW), New South Wales Institute of Technology, Queensland, Queensland Institute of Technology, Tasmania-Launceston, Sydney, South Australia, Curtin University of Technology and Western Australia.


EIRE DUBLIN

University College Dublin


HONG KONG

University of Hong Kong


NEW ZEALAND

University of Auckland and Victoria University of Wellington


UNITED KINGDOM

Robert Gordon (Aberdeen), Bath, The Queen's University (Belfast), Central England Univ (Birmingham), Brighton, Cambridge, Kent Inst. of Art&Design (Canterbury), Wales (Cardiff), Greenwich (Dartford), Dundee, Heriot-Watt (Edinburgh), Mackintosh (Glasgow), Strathclyde (Glasgow), Huddersfield, Humberside (Hull), Leeds Metropolitan, De Montford (Leicester), Liverpool John Moores, Liverpool, Architecture Association (London), The Bartlett (London), Kingston, North East London Polytechnic, Westminster (London), North London, South Bank (London), Manchester, Manchester Metropolitan, Newcastle Upon Tyne, Nottingham, Oxford Brookes, Plymouth Polytechnic, Portsmouth and Sheffield.


List above are courtesy of Lembaga Akitek Malaysia


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Tanx a lot azarimy. heh. at first i want to enroll into their aircraft maintainence programme. now you burn my spirit up. i think i'll apply for architecture diploma in politeknik. since i do not have good drawing skills, enrolling into politeknik maybe can help improve my skills.

although it may take longer to achieve part 2, but i dun care much about it. i'm more concern on how will i perform during work.

tanx a lot azarimy. i really appreciate your help.

btw, do i need to attend interview for architecture course in politeknik?


btw, tanx a lot azarimy. i was almost give up on architecture because i am not very good in my basic art. but your talking really burn my spirit.

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i would refrain from using the term "master builder". master builder is a term reserved from super architects who not only have built prestigious designs, but more importantly, have significantly contributed to the architectural world and influenced other architects. holding a part 3 with the title AR infront of ur name does not allow u to call urself a master builder. especially dont simply use the term infront of other architects/lecturers, coz u'll become the laughing stock of the community biggrin.gif.


Then what is this from Architecture Malaysia (am) >>>

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What is Architecture?

Architecture is the art and science of building, the word being derived from Latin `architectura' and Greek `arkitekton' (Master Builder).


And >>>

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The word "architecture" comes from the Latin, "architectura" and ultimately from Greek,"arkitekton", αρχιτεκτων, an architect, or more precisely "master builder", from the combination of αρχι a "chief" or "leader" and τεκτων, a "builder" or "carpenter."


From Wikipedia.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Architecture

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Added on March 29, 2008, 8:37 pm
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first, after graduating with a part 2, u will register urself with LAM as a part 2 architect. this will start ur journey to fill in the log book by practicing for 2 years and fulfill the requirements. at the end of the day, the committee will review ur logbook. and if they're satisfied, u will be able to sit for the exam. once passed, u will register urself as a part 3 architect.

u dont register as part 3 to take the part 3 exam. the term registration assumes u've already achieved all the requirements.


OK, thanks a lot for clarifying this part.

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btw, is it easy to enter degree in UTM if i'm using my polytechnic diploma? is there any discrimination towards poly students in U?

how much polytechnic diploma pointer do i need to enter UTM architectural degree? do i still need to attend interview for degree?

btw, do architectural diploma in polytechnic require me to go through interview?
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QUOTE(Benjamin911 @ Mar 29 2008, 12:33 PM)
Then what is this from Architecture Malaysia (am) >>>
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From Wikipedia.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Architecture

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Added on March 29, 2008, 8:37 pm

OK, thanks a lot for clarifying this part.
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u see, u're reading, but u're not understanding the context of the word. the word architect is derived from the meaning master builder. architects call themselves architects. in the architecture community, master builder is a high ranking architect, not just any. it's someone who is respected in the industry who have contributed alot of things. some master builders in malaysia would be ken yeang or hijjaz kasturi. but u dont call someone who just graduated and designed a bungalow a master builder. get what i mean?

if an architect is a master builder, then how does interior architect, landscape architect or computer systems architect come into context? do they really "build", or more towards designing? do they actually build anything? this is what we call context. one word could mean a lot of things, we call it semantics. u'll see alot of this later on.

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btw, is it easy to enter degree in UTM if i'm using my polytechnic diploma? is there any discrimination towards poly students in U?

how much polytechnic diploma pointer do i need to enter UTM architectural degree? do i still need to attend interview for degree?

btw, do architectural diploma in polytechnic require me to go through interview?
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easy? like i said, u need top grades. UTM treats all diploma as the same, intakes will go straight into 2nd year. poly dip will compete with other dip holders from UTM dip school, IPTS and other institutions that awards architectural diplomas.

u will need at least 3.50 to stand a chance, preferrably with 1 or 2 years experience, and u will still need to attend the interview.
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so that's mean after i get my diploma, i have to get a working experience for entering UTM degree?


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u will need at least 3.50 to stand a chance, preferrably with 1 or 2 years experience, and u will still need to attend the interview.

does this apply only to poli student or to all diploma holder who is trying to apply for architecture degree? sorry for asking a lot of question?
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so that's mean after i get my diploma, i have to get a working experience for entering UTM degree?
does this apply only to poli student or to all diploma holder who is trying to apply for architecture degree? sorry for asking a lot of question?
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after diploma, it is always recommended that u get some working experience first. it's not a requirement, but UTM only offers 8-12 places for diploma students per year, and we have applications averaging between 50-80 per year. so competitions are fierce. u need all the bonus stuff u can get to boost ur chances.

it applies to all diploma, including UTM's own diploma students.
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owh. i see. tanx azarimy.

normally, diploma grads will go for draughtman position or architect assistant?
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owh. i see. tanx azarimy.

normally, diploma grads will go for draughtman position or architect assistant?
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either one or both. most firms in malaysia dont really differentiate between them. with experience a diploma holder can become an architect assistant. one of architect assistant's job description is draughtmanship biggrin.gif. so either way, u'll do both.
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btw azarimy, do we need to attend interview for architect diploma in politeknik?

yeah. btw, i really thank you very much for helping me. you help me a lot.

i've came across an article somewhere in newspaper that architecture grads all manage to get job. it is the same level as doctor. 100% grads manage to get job.
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btw azarimy, do we need to attend interview for architect diploma in politeknik?

yeah. btw, i really thank you very much for helping me. you help me a lot.

i've came across an article somewhere in newspaper that architecture grads all manage to get job. it is the same level as doctor. 100% grads manage to get job.
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i dont know. check with polytechnic' intake requirements.


in other news:

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UTM Architecture Student Top Winner of Just Jerusalem Global Competition

Skudai, 23rd March: Universiti Teknologi Malaysia's (UTM) architecture student has been declared top prize winner in the Just Jerusalem Competition, an international competition organized by the Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT), Cambridge, Massachusetts, USA.

The result was announced at MIT on March 21st and released simultaneously on the competition official website. Just Jerusalem was an open global competition attempted at seeking ideas and proposals that addressed different aspects of urban life in a futurist Jerusalem. The news was announced by the Vice Chancellor, Tan Sri Datuk Ir. Dr. Mohd Zulkifli bin Tan Sri Mohd Ghazali, in his officially address during the 40th Convocation held at UTM Skudai campus today.

Initially a total of 1,150 people from 85 countries registered for the competition. Eventually only 125 eligible proposals were accepted by the organizer which later undergone review by world-class panel of jury convened at MIT. Among the nine-member jury were Suha Ozkan and Herman Hertzberger, both a well-known scholars and architects.

Chan Wai Lai, a senior architecture student decided to take up the competition as her final year Design Thesis project at beginning of the academic session. She hoped and aspired to see Jerusalem as city of peace through the idea of sharing. In her project abstract, she elaborated,

"Without raising awareness of the need for sharing, energies devoted to constructing iconic architecture or designing beautiful buildings do not make sense. To achieve new and true peace, we must solve the problems of man, not of buildings, facilities or land division -- because all these problems come from man alone."

As an expression of hope for future Jerusalem she adopted "Children's Village for Jerusalem" as the title for her competition entry. It is in the children that she hoped the future community of peace would be nurtured and raised out of a built environment that she have designed, and hopefully in the end the proposed dwelling environment would help to address social equality and harmony among citizenry of Jerusalem.

As top winner she will be given the opportunity to spend up to an academic semester in residence at MIT as Jerusalem Visionary Fellow, with all expenses paid, including travel, housing, and stipend. It is estimated that a total amount USD50,000 been allocated for her appointment as visionary fellow.


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all right, i'll give them a call this Monday.

Btw, from ur experience, do u remember mostly, the polytechnic student studying in UTM for degree come from which poly?

just asking. tanx in advance
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all right, i'll give them a call this Monday.

Btw, from ur experience, do u remember mostly, the polytechnic student studying in UTM for degree come from which poly?

just asking. tanx in advance
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cant remember. it doesnt really matter bcoz all use the same syllabus and have more or less the same facilities. perhaps the only difference is lecturers/teaching staff.
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yeah, rite now am searching or the right poly to study. i'm worry a bit about the lecturer. heh. but i don't expect myself to just live by spoon fed till i grad.

btw azarimy, you're continuing ur study in UK under sponsorship or self-sponsor?
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yeah, rite now am searching or the right poly to study. i'm worry a bit about the lecturer. heh. but i don't expect myself to just live by spoon fed till i grad.

btw azarimy, you're continuing ur study in UK under sponsorship or self-sponsor?
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u know, it would be easier to put ALL ur questions in one post. this isnt a chat room, u know.

i am under sponsorship, ofcourse. i'm not from a wealthy family tongue.gif. o
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hah. i believe that u r not from wealthy famly, but i don't believe that urself r not wealthy. hak3.

who sponsor you to study in UK? mind sharing how you get there?
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Hi , im new to this thread and i find it very helpful indeed.If it wasn't for azarimy i would have known nothing bout architecture.Thank you arazimy !Well , there's something i would like to enquire about.If i were to study in a non-accredited school and have taken the LAM exam independently, does it mean my degree would then be accredited by LAM ?

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hah. i believe that u r not from wealthy famly, but i don't believe that urself r not wealthy. hak3.

who sponsor you to study in UK? mind sharing how you get there?
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QUOTE(Erozx` @ Mar 29 2008, 08:51 PM)
Hi , im new to this thread and i find it very helpful indeed.If it wasn't for azarimy i would have known nothing bout architecture.Thank you arazimy !Well , there's something i would like to enquire about.If i were to study in a non-accredited school and have taken the LAM exam independently, does  it mean my degree would then be accredited by LAM ?
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ur degree wont, but u will.

doing an accredited degree kills two birds in one throw - u accumulate knowledge and skill + getting the license. doing an unaccredited degree only awards u with the knowledge and skills, but u'd have to get the license independently.
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if for example a building collapses or something similar, will the architect in charge of it be found responsible? from what i heard even if there's flaw in the design the architects will be exempted.
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if for example a building collapses or something similar, will the architect in charge of it be found responsible? from what i heard even if there's flaw in the design the architects will be exempted.
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Usually, the Civil Engineer & the Structurer Engineer are the ones responsible for any structurer failures in the building.

If the building collapses, expect the entire construction team to be responsible. (In the future, when I am the Architect, I will never want such thing to happen to my building.)

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Usually, the Civil Engineer & the Structurer Engineer are the ones responsible for any structurer failures in the building.

If the building collapses, expect the entire construction team to be responsible. (In the future, when I am the Architect, I will never want such thing to happen to my building.)
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entire construction team? does that include architects? or they're in the designer team?
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if for example a building collapses or something similar, will the architect in charge of it be found responsible? from what i heard even if there's flaw in the design the architects will be exempted.
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in such events, it is hard to point the responsibilities to the architect, bcoz it usually boils down to two parties: the engineers and the contractors/builders.

in constructing the building, the engineers' job is to verify that the building is buildable and safe in engineering sense. meaning the structure is safe, all the the parts are actually buildable and able to take all the loads and so on. when this process is complete, they will issue endorsed drawings with their signature on it. the signature means everything has been verified and the engineer takes full responsibility of it.

the contractors' job, on the other hand, is to build EXACTLY to the architect's and engineers' specification (using the drawings). they may not, in whatsoever way differ from the drawings.

so as u can see, when the building collapses, people will first look at the engineers drawings. they'll check whether everything is truely safe. if it werent, then they'll hang the engineer. if the drawings are sound, they'll look into the contractors. if the contractors didnt follow the drawings, then it's the contractor's fault.

in such events, it's hard to blame the architect, bcoz certain responsibilities were delegated to the experts. unless the architect did the engineering calculations or constructing the building themselves, it'll be very hard to take down the architect. however, this does not mean the architect is 100% responsibility free. they will still be responsible for SELECTING the faulty engineer or contractors in the first place. so they still have a hand on it.



building collapsing is usually the least of the architect's worries. there are lots of other things where the architect can be directly at fault. for example, failure to design according to the fire-safety standards; or if tenants complain about rooms being too hot to live in; or social problems created by their designs (usually at low cost, high density houses like flats). these sort a thing is something the architect will be directly responsible for.
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Hi , im new to this thread and i find it very helpful indeed.If it wasn't for azarimy i would have known nothing bout architecture.Thank you arazimy !Well , there's something i would like to enquire about.If i were to study in a non-accredited school and have taken the LAM exam independently, does  it mean my degree would then be accredited by LAM ?
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For my case, it is controversial; biggrin.gif

Before I got to know about this topic, I already knew what was Architecture all about and that it fits my interest type, but when I started to join this topic, I began to feel doubtful about what I knew about Architecture! (I mean, after reading through this topic, I suddenly became doubtful about what is Architecture all about!) shocking.gif To the extend that I would suddenly feel the need to ask; "What does the Architect do in the Architecture profession?". biggrin.gif

Anyway;

As long as the Architect can plan - design buildings, can plan - design cities, and can plan - design the build environment, I feel that that is where my interest and ambition lays...(The word "buildings", "cities", or "the build environment" is already enough to spark my interest!)

[I just like to plan and design, or research and develop something that can benefit, and impress mankind.]

So far, I can see that Architecture is like that, aside from Engineering. (But somehow, Architecture seems to be more prestigious than Engineering...one of the reason why is because Architecture builds BIG, or MEGA!)

Isn't a house biggg? smile.gif What about a shopping mall? biggrin.gif (What about the Patronas Twin Towers?) laugh.gif

EDITED because of incorrect English usage!!

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the engineers and contractors are selected not by the developer but architect?
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entire construction team? does that include architects? or they're in the designer team?
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The entire construction team (Which does not include the client of course.) = The Architect (The Topman! biggrin.gif), The Engineers (Other than the Civil Engineer, there might also be engineers from other fields), The Quantity Surveyor, The Construction Manager (They CM would also be the one supervising everyone), The Craftsman (Workers), and probably the Interior Designer or the Technician as well...There might also be other specialist who may be involved in the project. Basically, I have named the main ones.


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the engineers and contractors are selected not by the developer but architect?
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Even if that is the case, I cannot see what is there to worry about. smile.gif

I can imagine that by the time I reach the stage in the office and working world, I would already be having the level of confidence in me; that making such arrangements with the Engineers and the Contractors would be second nature. biggrin.gif

Although I am an "introvert" today where I am not socializing around with people, I can imagine that in the future, things would change and I would be working together in a team to build a better tomorrow for mankind! rclxm9.gif (The trill to work together in a team to discuss, plan, and design is there for me!)

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architects would often take charge of the appointments of consultants on behalf of the developers, assuming the developers did not appoint anyone yet. even if they do, the architect has the authority to say yes or no to the suggested consultants. heck, they could even fire consultants if they want to. remember, the architect holds the plans. they have authority to give or not give it to anyone. the architect has the obligation over the client/developer, protecting their rights and interests.

usually, the architect already have a list of consultants that they could work with. so when the developer selects an architect, they always come in a package, so the developer/clients dont need to look for the consultants themselves.


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The entire construction team (Which does not include the client of course.) = The Architect (The Topman! biggrin.gif), The Engineers (Other than the Civil Engineer, there might also be engineers from other fields), The Quantity Surveyor, The Construction Manager (They CM would also be the one supervising everyone), The Craftsman (Workers), and probably the Interior Designer or the Technician as well...There might also be other specialist who may be involved in the project. Basically, I have named the main ones.
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usually, the construction consultancy consists of:

architects
civil/structural engineers
town planners
electrical engineers
landscape architects
interior designers
quantity surveyors
builders (contractor, construction manager, clerk of works etc)

all except builders have technicians that work under them, usually those holding a diploma in specific course. other specialists are not always needed, unless the client/developer/architect specifically requires one. for example, specialist on EIA (environment impact assessment), conservationists, historian, mechanical engineers etc.

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usually, the construction consultancy consists of:

architects
civil/structural engineers
town planners
electrical engineers
landscape architects
interior designers
quantity surveyors
builders (contractor, construction manager, clerk of works etc)

all except builders have technicians that work under them, usually those holding a diploma in specific course. other specialists are not always needed, unless the client/developer/architect specifically requires one. for example, specialist on EIA (environment impact assessment), conservationists, historian, mechanical engineers etc.
Oh, I was in reference to the entire construction team of a building.

Thanks anyway.

The build environment surely requires more specialist and professionals!
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actually, the construction team usually refers to the builders that includes the contractors and what not. basically phua chu kang is the leader of the construction team, while phua chu beng is the leader of the entire consultancy.
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heh. just fill up the polytechnic application form. i choose architecture as my first choice.

btw, is it important for diploma student to get a laptop? because i'm thinking of only buying laptop when doing my degree. i've read the 1st post and it is recommended for architecture student to have a laptop. juz that do diploma student use much of a laptop?

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when architects design a building, must it be detailed? or will a simple sketching with angles, scale, etc do? i mean, must the blueprint consists of everything like, "will the building withstand the wind force..etc"?
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actually, the construction team usually refers to the builders that includes the contractors and what not. basically phua chu kang is the leader of the construction team, while phua chu beng is the leader of the entire consultancy.
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Sorry, I am confused. cry.gif

For a building to be build, what will be the required professionals other than the ones listed below (?);

The Architect. (Design the building, the floor plans and the layouts etc...)

The Quantity Surveyor. (Determine the cost of the building and materials.)

The Construction Manager. (Supervise/manage everyone in the Construction team.)

The Craftsman (Workers). [Build the building, fix up the steel beams and install the glass sheets accordingly; screwing them into place etc...]

The Civil Engineer. (Make sure the structurer integrity of the building is intact, and that the sewage system of the building is functioning the way it should be, and etc...as such...)

The Electrical & Electronic Engineer. (Make sure the E&E systems of the building is functioning.)

The Interior Designer. (Furnish the interior of the buildings.)

Any idea about the rest, and the roles that they play in a building project?

Thanks a lot in advance.

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heh. just fill up the polytechnic application form. i choose architecture as my first choice.

is it important for diploma student to get a laptop? because i'm thinking of only buying laptop when doing my degree. i've read the 1st post and it is recommended for architecture student to have a laptop. juz that do diploma student use much of a laptop?


just wanna tell. i'm one of the contestant for last year national bridge competition in UTM. yeah, me n my team enter the competition. is it categorized more into architecture or civil engineering?
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QUOTE(azarimy @ Mar 30 2008, 05:48 AM)
doing an accredited degree kills two birds in one throw - u accumulate knowledge and skill + getting the license. doing an unaccredited degree only awards u with the knowledge and skills, but u'd have to get the license independently.
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Thanks for the info.How do i get the license after i've competed my diploma ?I am most probably taking up the course at a non-accredited school.Any advice ?

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when architects design a building, must it be detailed? or will a simple sketching with angles, scale, etc do? i mean, must the blueprint consists of everything like, "will the building withstand the wind force..etc"?
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When the Architect design a building, it will definitely have to be very detailed, because no one else is going to, or will be having the knowledge to, design the building. (The closest, the Civil Engineer, will not know how to design the floor plans and the layouts of the buildings for example, which the Architect can do; the Civil Engineer will be doing his part.)

I read that the Architect will also have to bring into consideration the natural wind flow and the natural ambient/lighting/intensity/illumination of the building as well.

Will the building withstand the wind force?

Let me see, aren't Architects suppose to test out their designs in the wind tunnel as well? (As for the real thing, I guess the Civil/Structural Engineers have to make sure that the building can stand.) biggrin.gif

The Architect design a nice/beautiful/pleasing and functional building that serves it's purpose, intent, function, and the client's needs/desires.

The Civil/Structural Engineers make sure that the building which the Architect have designed can stand on it's own and hold itself together - forever; to serve it's function, purpose and intent, and for the people to admire and appreciate...smile.gif

But;

RM 10 per entry (per person) please. brows.gif

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QUOTE(aprisis @ Mar 30 2008, 03:02 PM)
when architects design a building, must it be detailed? or will a simple sketching with angles, scale, etc do? i mean, must the blueprint consists of everything like, "will the building withstand the wind force..etc"?
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detailed. very detailed and preferably everything. refer to the section drawing below:

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this is just one portion of a technical drawing that architects produce on a daily basis. u can see that the architect will not only design the building, but specifies what material, dimensions, colour and other properties on every single part of the building.

QUOTE(Benjamin911 @ Mar 30 2008, 03:12 PM)
Sorry, I am confused. cry.gif

For a building to be build, what will be the required professionals other than the ones listed below (?);

The Architect. (Design the building, the floor plans and the layouts etc...)

The Quantity Surveyor. (Determine the cost of the building and materials.)

The Construction Manager. (Supervise/manage everyone in the Construction team.)

The Craftsman (Workers). [Build the building, fix up the steel beams and install the glass sheets accordingly; screwing them into place etc...]

The Civil Engineer. (Make sure the structurer integrity of the building is intact, and that the sewage system of the building is functioning the way it should be, and etc...as such...)

The Electrical & Electronic Engineer. (Make sure the E&E systems of the building is functioning.)

The Interior Designer. (Furnish the interior of the buildings.)

Any idea about the rest, and the roles that they play in a building project?

Thanks a lot in advance.
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landscape architects - design landscapes and the surroundings
town planner - involves when the design involves large scale planning that includes roads/traffic planning and multiple land properties.
who else u wanna know about?

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heh. just fill up the polytechnic application form. i choose architecture as my first choice.

is it important for diploma student to get a laptop? because i'm thinking of only buying laptop when doing my degree. i've read the 1st post and it is recommended for architecture student to have a laptop. juz that do diploma student use much of a laptop?
just wanna tell. i'm one of the contestant for last year national bridge competition in UTM. yeah, me n my team enter the competition. is it categorized more into architecture or civil engineering?
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well, it depends on the syllabus. certain diploma courses may depend on computers more than others. i'm not that familiar with poly syllabus.

the bridge competition is both architecture AND civil engineering.


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Thanks for the info.How do i get the license after i've competed my diploma ?I am most probably taking up the course at a non-accredited school.Any advice ?
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u need to acquire a part 1 equivalent degree to qualify to take the exam. diploma is below the part 1 equivalent, so u cant sit for the exam directly. u still could though, but u need about 5 years experience just to qualify.

my advice - go for unaccredited degree, not diploma. or atleast plan for a degree straight after diploma.

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Let me see, aren't Architects suppose to test out their designs in the wind tunnel as well? (As for the real thing, I guess the Civil/Structural Engineers have to make sure that the building can stand.) biggrin.gif
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wind tunnels is to check the cross-ventilation in the interior through fenestrations. we dont test buildings to withstand wind shears. civil engineers do that. architects dont wink.gif.

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is that a design of a wall?
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is that a design of a wall?
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yes, it's a design of a wall. specifically, a cavity wall that is common in 4 seasoned countries. it is a two layered wall with a gap in between for insulation. in malaysia we use single layer walls, but the detailing on the connections at the windows, doors, roof etc are still the same.
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Gosh, I am learning so much just by sharing what I know! blink.gif shocking.gif

Anyway, the time have come for me to start listening & learn. biggrin.gif

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I'm quite confused.lets say after i've obtained the melbourne degree for part 1 ,i mean since it's accredicted by LAM, issit necessary to take the LAM part 1 exams ?
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I'm quite confused.lets say after i've obtained the melbourne degree for part 1 ,i mean since it's accredicted by LAM, issit necessary to take the LAM part 1 exams ?
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melbourne degree, or any overseas degrees, are NOT accredited by LAM. it is accredited by the regulating board of each country - UK = RIBA, australia = RAIA and so on. but bcoz commonwealth countries follow RIBA system, then the examination is considered "equal" to each counterpart. what this means is that, if u take RAIA part 1, it is considered equivalent to LAM part 1. but this does not mean u automatically get LAM accreditation. u still need to sit for the LAM exam as a final verification of ur abilities.

the reason for this is that, LAM has no way to check whether an architect graduated through the proper ways or some illegal/obscure/cheating ways at ana overseas university. so what they do is to require all overseas graduate to sit for the LAM exams. the exams are divided into 3 sections. if u've really gone through the proper ways, sections 1 and 2 should be very easy, and u can skip section 3 altogether. those who did not follow the proper syllabus will have some problem at sections 1 and 2, and would have to sit for section 3.
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Thanks a lot.I have a clear-cut on things now .Btw ,if i have obtained a non-part 1 diploma in ALFA college ,does this mean i can straightaway pursue for a fully accredited degree that carries part 2 in the overseas ?Well the process only takes 5 years , just wanna make sure smile.gif

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Thanks a lot.I have a clear-cut on things now .Btw ,if i have obtained a  non-part 1 diploma in ALFA college ,does this mean i can straightaway pursue    for a fully accredited degree that carries part 2 in the overseas ?Well the process only takes 5 years , just wanna make sure smile.gif
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if u somehow obtained a part 2 five years after SPM/O-levels, LAM will not recognize u. the requirement is clearly stated: it's either 5 years after STPM/matrics/A-levels or 6 years after SPM/O-levels. any shorter way, LAM will assume that u've cheated ur way through.
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btw, if i finish my diploma in polytechnic, then i applied for degree in UTM. but during the process, i've been rejected from being enrolled into UTM. Can i apply again for the next year or i've to wait.

heh, i want to continue my study fast because i'm afraid i'll lose the knowledge that i've learn during my diploma if i'm about to work.
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excuse me, i've been told that for architecture course, we'll be interviewed. usually what do they ask in the intervieW?
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read the 2nd post on the first page. search for (1.6. Applying to a school of architecture) . hope it helps.

azarimy have written something about the interview.
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btw, if i finish my diploma in polytechnic, then i applied for degree in UTM. but during the process, i've been rejected from being enrolled into UTM. Can i apply again for the next year or i've to wait.

heh, i want to continue my study fast because i'm afraid i'll lose the knowledge that i've learn during my diploma if i'm about to work.
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u can apply again and again for as many times u want/are willing. we also dont have an age requirement, and we've had a 35 year old guy doing his degree during my time, so it doesnt really matter. remember, rejection doesnt always mean u dont qualify. it usually means there are more people better qualified that u are, and the number of places available are not big enough to include u. earning more working experience boosts ur chances, so ur chance of getting a place is always better the next year round.

u'll hardly loose any knowledge if u work, bcoz architecture is a well rounded, applied and practical knowledge+skills. meaning, u will never stop learning during practice, and learning is life long process in architecture. it may be hard to comprehend now, but u'll understand what i mean later on. it's a skill that needs to be practiced, like chess, where the more u play, the better u become. and the knowledge can never be enough.

there may be those who tells u that they have enough skills and knowledge that they can stop learning architecture. honestly, i believe this is a complete bull and the persons are too naive.

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i've included the interview format in the first page. refer to the FAQ.
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After i've finished my taylors non-part 1 and part 1 programme in melbourne and have completed the LAM part 1 exams , do i have to continue for my part 2 degree in government based university ?i mean thats written down in your academic route.
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I see. btw, i'd like to ask.

is it easy to score more than 3.5 CGPA for architecture diploma?

and, if i've failed to get 3.5 for my diploma, where should i continue study beside? do UM is hard to enter as UTM? for example, if i got CGPA 3.4 for my diploma, but i've 2years working experience. will my application be considered?
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same results with what? from where? i dont get what u mean.

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After i've finished my taylors non-part 1 and part 1 programme in melbourne and have completed the LAM part 1 exams , do i have to continue for my part 2 degree in government based university ?i mean thats written down in your academic route.
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it depends on what u wanna do. apart from the option u've mentioned, u could come back after finishing melbourne's part 1 and sit for LAM part 1, or u could continue to any non-LAM part 2 universities (RAIA or RIBA), and then come back to sit for ur LAM part 1 and 2. whichever's easier for u.

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I see. btw, i'd like to ask.

is it easy to score more than 3.5 CGPA for architecture diploma?

and, if i've failed to get 3.5 for my diploma, where should i continue study beside? do UM is hard to enter as UTM? for example, if i got CGPA 3.4 for my diploma, but i've 2years working experience. will my application be considered?
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i cant say if it's easy. if u can score 10As in SPM, i'm pretty sure it's very easy to get 4.00cgpa tongue.gif

UM is harder to enter because of their small number of students. UM is now what... 40-50 students per batch? compared to UTM which currently running at 100 students per batch. so based on the total number of students per year, u can see how much students from diploma they're willing to take. it's usually between 5-10% of the total.
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So, if i can't continue my study in local IPTA, is there any chances for me to continue my degree at a affordable cost?

i only get 5a for spm. heh, but i think i can cope with architecture because it doesn't involve extreme math. i think i can do it.

btw, your talking about the polytechnic students in your past post always keep my spirit burning. In fact, i'm reading it everyday to keep my spirit and passion towards architecture rising. heh. it's just like me gaining a new hope to continue my study in architecture.
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Any idea of interesting buildings in the Klang Valley area? unsure.gif

I have to search for an interesting building (one that is composed of many different types of materials), and then study & analyze the different materials that is used for the building... unsure.gif

In addition to that, I would also need to be taking photos and perform some sketches of my research... unsure.gif

This assignment is for the "Building Materials" subject...

Oh yeah, I would have to be writing a research report about it (together with photographs and sketches).

This is the first assignment of the course and I am already dealing directly with complex buildings...

The lecturer also said that it would be good if I can obtain the plans and the layouts of the building from the owner...

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Hi Ben ,
I've gone through the replies in this thread and it seems your currently taking the diploma non-part 1 at taylors right?Which course am i suppose to take ? the Bachelor of Science(Hons) or Diploma in architectural technology?Am most probably registering for taylors on the next intake.
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Hi Ben ,
I've gone through the replies in this thread and it seems your currently taking the diploma non-part 1 at taylors right?Which course am i suppose to take  ? the Bachelor of Science(Hons) or Diploma in architectural technology?Am most probably registering for taylors on the next intake.
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Hi, if you decide to study Taylors diploma in AT, you may have to prepare yourself to further your Architecture studies overseas in the future... hmm.gif

I suggest you also look at the other colleges and universities to make up your mind; which may be offering you a cheaper/more affordable option...

Regards.

You can also opt for Taylor's bachelor of science architecture...but you will still be facing the same problem in the future...

The main problem of studying overseas is often the $$$$ factor...

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^ i mean izit same as studying in UK/Aus?
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i'm inclined to say yes, but to tell u the truth, i tried looking back at the conversations, and i still dont understand what u're asking. could u take some time and write the entire question including the example/context?

QUOTE(destroyer @ Mar 31 2008, 12:42 PM)
So, if i can't continue my study in local IPTA, is there any chances for me to continue my degree at a affordable cost?

i only get 5a for spm. heh, but i think i can cope with architecture because it doesn't involve extreme math. i think i can do it.

btw, your talking about the polytechnic students in your past post always keep my spirit burning. In fact, i'm reading it everyday to keep my spirit and passion towards architecture rising. heh. it's just like me gaining a new hope to continue my study in architecture.
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if u're talking about IPTS, ofcourse u can. they have lower intake requirements, but ofcourse with higher fees. but u can always obtain PTPTN or some other loans wink.gif.

to tell u the truth, during my studies, i've always found myself competing with poly students, simply bcoz they are very fast workers. however, i know that i'm good at theories, concepts and formulation, which i use to gain advantage. typically poly students are well trained in technical aspect, but some of them struggle at theories and concepts, bcoz these are not given emphasis during their poly years. so although they can draw pretty fast, they spend more time trying to come up with new ideas, concepts and so on. well, i'm not saying that STPM/matric students are good at idea formulations, bcoz most of them sucked anyways hahaha!

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so azarimy, do you mind telling me story on how architecture start for you.

i will like to hear ur story on how architecture started for you. btw, how do you venture into architecture world after you finish secondary school? you came from diploma or matric? n where did u study for diploma/matric/asasi?
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so azarimy, do you mind  telling me story on how architecture start for you.

i will like to hear ur story on how architecture started for you. btw, how do you venture into architecture world after you finish secondary school? you came from diploma or matric? n where did u study for diploma/matric/asasi?
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ambition

architecture was never my ambition. i was interested either in fine art or graphic design. i was so keen in becoming a comic artist that i submitted a portfolio to marvel comics in 1994 and was short listed for a junior penciller post (but didnt follow up bcoz SPM was too near).

deciding architecture

i was in pure science, but i was never really good at it. so i took extra subject - arts. no objections from anyone at this point. it was only until i received my results did i realize i was quite good (LOL), and would sure to qualify to any courses in IPTAs except for medicine and law. but i wanted to take fine art or graphic design.

this decision came to a full opposition from my parents and virtually ALL my relatives. my science subject was strong, it'll be waste to take arts instead. so for a period of 2 weeks it was chaos, i never felt so rebellious. eventually my dad stepped in, and we talked man to man. i was headstrong in taking art & design that he eventually suggested architecture, which is a blend of art n science. i had to say i was tempted, but i was still going for art & design. so we came to a compromise.

i was going to apply to ITM (now UiTM) for art & design, and at the same time apply UTM for architecture. if i get ITM, i'll go there. if not, i'll go to UTM. i was pretty sure that i'll land a place in UiTM. (back then, application through UPU is only for UM, USM, UPM and UKM. all other universities must apply individually). so i sent the applications. in the mean while, i went into form 6 in highschool klang for about 2 weeks.

the interviews

i got both interviews. i went for UTM's architecture first. bcoz i didnt really wanna go to UTM, i was lalala happy go lucky and just be a cocky little prick. i turned the interview into a casual chat and talk cock. funnily enough, at they were very impressed and offered me a place right then and there! now that really boosted my ego.

so 5 days later i went for UiTM's art & design interview. i was still my cocky self, but unfortunately, that's a complete turn off in ITM. they even blasted me for applying a place there, bcoz with my results, they told me i could apply virtually ANY course i wanted. it's a waste of brainpower they told me. i tried to fight off, but realized it was circling down the drain pretty fast. so i gathered whatever integrity i had left and went home.

into architecture

so 3 months after getting SPM results, i was strolling down UTM's corridor in skudai registering for my diploma course (3 years). i never received an offer from ITM, so i had no where else to go but UTM. i never thought i'd like doing architecture, but the first exercise was right what i wanted to do - painting. right then i knew this is what i wanted to do. i'm able to apply both my artistic and scientific side at the same time. i couldnt imagine doing anything else.

revelations

it was until i graduated my diploma that i realized what really happened. 2 days before i went to ITM interview, my dad made a few calls to ensure that i wouldnt get a place in ITM. yes, most fathers would use their influence to ensure their children gets a place, my dad did the exact opposite. so that's why my interview in ITM was quite harsh. coz i'm pretty sure if my portfolio could get me short listed at marvel comics, how the F couldnt it get me a place in ITM? haha. but that's that.

practice

i love architecture. and fortunately i've got pretty high rank to qualify straight into degree (only 1 out of 3 would get the offer). i've had no problem finishing the degree. even before finishing i was offered a place in akitek karya budi (PM saari omar's from UM). i took the offer after i graduated, and worked part time for a year while teaching part time in UTM. after that i was offered a full academic post in both UM (via PM saari) and UTM, but i decided to stay in UTM, which where i'm at until now.

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QUOTE(Benjamin911 @ Mar 31 2008, 09:19 PM)
Hi, if you decide to study Taylors diploma in AT, you may have to prepare yourself to further your Architecture studies overseas in the future... hmm.gif

I suggest you also look at the other colleges and universities to make up your mind; which may be offering you a cheaper/more affordable option...

Regards.

You can also opt for Taylor's bachelor of science architecture...but you will still be facing the same problem in the future...

The main problem of studying overseas is often the $$$$ factor...
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Thanks for the advice.Anyways, in terms of financial ,it won't be a problem for me as my dad wants to send me overseas to study.I suggested to study locally 1st then only going overseas.Right now i have two choices , is to either study in Alfa college or in talyors college.Any recommendations ?
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tanx azarimy. it was a very nice story to read. I'd never thought that at first you never thinking about architecture, because i was thinking that by all your post, you must've ambition to be an architect since your younger age. Heh, never thought that you thinking of venturing architecture after you get your SPM result.

i think you should put ur story into the guide. so everybody can read it.

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if u're talking about IPTS, ofcourse u can. they have lower intake requirements, but ofcourse with higher fees. but u can always obtain PTPTN or some other loans wink.gif.

to tell u the truth, during my studies, i've always found myself competing with poly students, simply bcoz they are very fast workers. however, i know that i'm good at theories, concepts and formulation, which i use to gain advantage. typically poly students are well trained in technical aspect, but some of them struggle at theories and concepts, bcoz these are not given emphasis during their poly years. so although they can draw pretty fast, they spend more time trying to come up with new ideas, concepts and so on. well, i'm not saying that STPM/matric students are good at idea formulations, bcoz most of them sucked anyways hahaha!



What are the context of theories, concepts and formulation? in architectural studies, what do we need to learn about that? And how can I master the theories, concepts and formulation if i'm a poly student? to make it more simple, what do we learn in context of theories, concepts and formulation? can anybody help me by giving me an example?

Btw, if there is some poly students doing well in their university studies, do they perform until they graduate or they drop-out half-way? is there any poly students in your batch become a good architect?

right now i'm scared if i can never continue my study ffor degree after diploma. heh. i'll do my best in my diploma. don't want to work as a draftsman for my whole life.

btw, if i'm grads from polytechnic with pointer 3.5 n above, is it easy for me to look for a job as a architect assistant of draftsman(for experience purpose and saving money to buy laptop for degree study)? because somebody from another forum saying that their friends who were polytechnic architecture graduate are working in 7eleven. is it true that polytechnic architecture graduates are difficult to find job?

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Thanks for the advice.Anyways, in terms of financial ,it won't be a problem for me as my dad wants to send me overseas to study.I suggested to study locally 1st then only going overseas.Right now i have two choices , is to either study in Alfa college or in talyors college.Any recommendations ?
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i'm inclined to say taylor's as well as UCSI, as some of my friends teaching in IPTS mentioned that a lot of good lecturers have moved to these colleges. other than that, both should be enough to provide good education for a sub-part 1 diploma.

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What are the context of theories, concepts and formulation? in architectural studies, what do we need to learn about that? And how can I master the theories, concepts and formulation if i'm a poly student? to make it more simple, what do we learn in context of theories, concepts and formulation? can anybody help me by giving me an example?


theories are technically very straighforward. u can learn about them by reading LOTS of books (and not look at pretty pictures, mind u). a lot of theories have been written and published, literally hundreds of them. u just need to pick a few up and formulate ur own concepts later on.

now that is the hard part: formulating the concepts and developing it through the design process. this is a practice that u will go through in design. it is a process where the designer is involved in a series of dialogs with his design, questioning purpose, objectives, method, problems, issues and so on. and then he attempts to solve it in a unified manner, and test it out. after understanding the results, the designer might wanna come up with a new improved design. and the cycle goes on and on.

it's quite hard to summarize the design process. concepts govern the design process. so it's an entire chicken and egg thing. tell u what, google design process to know more about this. but remember, design process is not just another theory that u can learn by reading it. u MUST go through the design process to really understand what it's all about.

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Btw, if there is some poly students doing well in their university studies, do they perform until they graduate or they drop-out half-way? is there any poly students in your batch become a good architect?

right now i'm scared if i can never continue my study ffor degree after diploma. heh. i'll do my best in my diploma. don't want to work as a draftsman for my whole life.


most of them did well, hardly any of them quit halfway. they are mostly mature students, usually 2-3 years older than the other students in their batch in degree. so being mature allows them to concentrate more, doesnt really care about anything else but study, study and study so that they could go out to work as fast as possible. what u need to be aware is that the poly path is not the shortest of all routes, but have a more lenient learning curves.

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btw, if i'm grads from polytechnic with pointer 3.5 n above, is it easy for me to look for a job as a architect assistant of draftsman(for experience purpose and saving money to buy laptop for degree study)? because somebody from another forum saying that their friends who were polytechnic architecture graduate are working in 7eleven. is it true that polytechnic architecture graduates are difficult to find job?
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there's always low end job lying around in architecture. there are only a handful of architects, and some offices require a lot of draftpersons or technicians to get the job done, especially in the big offices. small offices would rather employ well-rounded architects who can do from idea formulation to submitting the drawings all the way. this way they can save money from paying dedicated technicians. big offices prefer to have more specialists so that they can do the job faster without having to do anything else.

and u must also understand that there are two levels of poly grads: diploma and certificate. certificate is valued as a pre-u programme like matrics or STPM. look at it as architecture foundation from taylor's or LKW - u need a lot of luck finding jobs with those. so always go for poly diploma.

jobs highly depends on the person, especially when they're in architecture line. alot of my friends didnt end up in practice simply bcoz they enjoy doing other things: one opened a boutique in melaka, three of them now in business of supplying furnitures and equipments for schools, a few opened restaurants in skudai, gombak and kota bahru, another opened a cyber cafe, and another bunch went into academics like me.

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Thanks for the advice.Anyways, in terms of financial ,it won't be a problem for me as my dad wants to send me overseas to study.I suggested to study locally 1st then only going overseas.Right now i have two choices , is to either study in Alfa college or in talyors college.Any recommendations ?
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Hi, in Taylors, the lecturers are good in that all of them are fluent in the English language, flexible, and have good communication skills with the students. smile.gif

The environment of Taylors S.A.B.D. is also good in the sense that it is located in a professional office working environment setting, where things are more formal, organized, and sensible. (An additional bonus is that, you can basically get all your things done within the place, without needing to go out to get it done somewhere outside...)

My dad's Chartered (Part III) Architect friend highly recommend Taylors for Architecture. (He was in the examination board before, and he says that Taylor's students are good.)

For me today, it is time for me to buck up! (After experiencing the last few days at Taylors, I began to feel the need to improve myself in order to cope smoothly with the program.) Trust me, there is the "Standard" in the programs at Taylors.

I hope that you will be able to make a good and satisfying decision. smile.gif

[Most importantly, you must feel satisfied with your choice, and have the confidence that your choice is a good one.] smile.gif

Regards.

P.S., we will all be going to visit the Pavilion shopping complex in K.L. with one of the Architects that designed it. smile.gif (That Architect is one of our lecturers at Taylors, who will be having a session with us at the Pavilion!) thumbup.gif

[The Pavilion is one of the largest shopping complexes in Malaysia.]

We will be going there to perform some sketching and photography as well. icon_rolleyes.gif

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You sure helps me a lot azarimy. Thank you.

I actually don't care much about long path of architecture. The first reason i want to enter architecture diploma in poly is not because it is easy to enter or cheap. But because it focus more on practical. i'm not doing well for my drawing and imagination right now. so, mybe entering polytechnic can help me build my skills. Heh, if i go into diploma in U, afraid that i might left behind because many of the students who enter it might been skillful than me in terms of imagination and drawing because they might had passion for architecture earlier than me. I'm only interested in architecture after finish spm. but my father discourage me to enter architecture because i don't have good drawing skills. It was then i came across the web about architecture in poly. And your talking about polytechnic student doing well during their university time is like a new hope for me. Later, my father support me because he is also polytechnic certificate holder. And now he is pengarah jabatan akauntan negara cawangan johor(he continue his degree in ukm) and he said it is ok for me to go into poly. Yeah, i'm going for polytechnic diploma in architecture. Will try my best to score more than 3.5 CGPA in every exam.

actually, i think i want to get into academic line like you. because i can travel oversea for my study. haha. btw, can architect still work as an architect after they reach our government retirement age(56)?


Added on April 1, 2008, 7:34 pmbtw azarimy, is there any chances for me to go into UTM interview if i put the architecture course as my 3rd choices? heh, at that time i'm seem to be lost on what to choose. if i know earlier what i'm going to get into sure i'll choose architecture as my first choice.

btw, i'm already not eligible to enter the 1st and 2nd choice that i choose for my upu. so, any chances for me to get called for architecture interview?

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i'm inclined to say yes, but to tell u the truth, i tried looking back at the conversations, and i still dont understand what u're asking. could u take some time and write the entire question including the example/context?
if u're talking about IPTS, ofcourse u can. they have lower intake requirements, but ofcourse with higher fees. but u can always obtain PTPTN or some other loans wink.gif.

to tell u the truth, during my studies, i've always found myself competing with poly students, simply bcoz they are very fast workers. however, i know that i'm good at theories, concepts and formulation, which i use to gain advantage. typically poly students are well trained in technical aspect, but some of them struggle at theories and concepts, bcoz these are not given emphasis during their poly years. so although they can draw pretty fast, they spend more time trying to come up with new ideas, concepts and so on. well, i'm not saying that STPM/matric students are good at idea formulations, bcoz most of them sucked anyways hahaha!
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In Malaysia we can only complete Part 1 equivalent right?

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QUOTE(destroyer @ Apr 1 2008, 10:50 AM)
actually, i think i want to get into academic line like you. because i can travel oversea for my study. haha. btw, can architect still work as an architect after they reach our government retirement age(56)?
academic line is not as easy as u think, especially since it requires masters and phd that is simply another extra 5 years of studies. to be honest, i've spent 3/4 of my life studying until now... biggrin.gif.

and yes, archtiects can work past government retirement age bcoz they're technically self-employed (assuming u own ur own practice by then).

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Added on April 1, 2008, 7:34 pmbtw azarimy, is there any chances for me to go into UTM interview if i put the architecture course as my 3rd choices? heh, at that time i'm seem to be lost on what to choose. if i know earlier what i'm going to get into sure i'll choose architecture  as my first choice.

btw, i'm already not eligible to enter the 1st and 2nd choice that i choose for my upu. so, any chances for me to get called for architecture interview?
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i wont say u dont have a chance, but it's quite slim. competitions are high. usually we dont have to look beyond 2nd choice to fill all the places. if u did, consider urself lucky wink.gif.

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In Malaysia we can only complete Part 1 equivalent right?

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owh. i see. although a bit dissapointed here, but it's ok for me. luckily still have polytechnic. wondering if i can get into their diploma with my result. but now just praying for the best.

btw, tanx a lot azarimy. i'll ask for your help again if i have any questions.
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QUOTE(azarimy @ Apr 1 2008, 10:35 PM)
academic line is not as easy as u think, especially since it requires masters and phd that is simply another extra 5 years of studies. to be honest, i've spent 3/4 of my life studying until now... biggrin.gif.

and yes, archtiects can work past government retirement age bcoz they're technically self-employed (assuming u own ur own practice by then).
i wont say u dont have a chance, but it's quite slim. competitions are high. usually we dont have to look beyond 2nd choice to fill all the places. if u did, consider urself lucky wink.gif.
no. u can complete parts 1, 2 and 3 in malaysia. parts 1 and 2 in local universities, and part 3 via practice.
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There is no IPTS in Malaysia that offers Part 2? There is a issue that if i were to take part 1 and is not financially able to do Part 2 overseas i might stuck at part 1. Local public university in malaysia accepts IPTS part 1 but chances are very slim right since i would be competing with IPTA architecture students.
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QUOTE(tomatos @ Apr 1 2008, 03:16 PM)
There is no IPTS in Malaysia that offers Part 2? There is a issue that if i were to take part 1 and is not financially able to do Part 2 overseas i might stuck at part 1. Local public university in malaysia accepts IPTS part 1 but chances are very slim right since i would be competing with IPTA architecture students.
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there's no IPTS that offers part 2, and actually, there's no IPTS in malaysia that offers part 1 either. check the 1st page again to see the list of which school is accredited and which isnt. IPTAs accept IPTS degrees/diploma, but not as equivalent to part 1. so u wont be competing with part 1 students from other IPTAs.
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there's no IPTS that offers part 2, and actually, there's no IPTS in malaysia that offers part 1 either. check the 1st page again to see the list of which school is accredited and which isnt. IPTAs accept IPTS degrees/diploma, but not as equivalent to part 1. so u wont be competing with part 1 students from other IPTAs.
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So it means if i take Part 1 exam i would compete with part 1 IPTA. If i don't then what is the pathway? Let's say Bsc Architecture from UCSI.
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QUOTE(tomatos @ Apr 1 2008, 04:35 PM)
So it means if i take Part 1 exam i would compete with part 1 IPTA. If i don't then what is the pathway? Let's say Bsc Architecture from UCSI.
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yes, if u take ur part 1 exam independently, u will compete with part 1 from IPTAs.

if not, taking ur example above, u could find out which overseas university UCSI have partnership with, and make ur way until part 2 there;

or

u could wait until UCSI offers a part 2 equivalent degree and continue there;

or

u could find other malaysia universities that offer part 2 equivalent (UIAM, UPM, UKM and LKW).



after all these, u still need to take ur LAM part 1 and 2 exams.
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Thanks Ben and arazimy for providing me with helpful information =) Will be registering for taylors soon.
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Hey. I've just find thid on LYN home. A competition which i think related to architecture.

http://south-apac.autodesk.com/adsk/servle...7326&id=8825740


Added on April 5, 2008, 8:45 pmbtw, does reading book like anjung seri & impiana help build my architecture thinking?

heh, i notice some of my mom book. and provide pretty good information. but it focus more into interior design?

btw, do diploma or degree in seni bina covers interior design and landscaping topic or we have to take degree in interior design or landscaping to work as a interior designer/landscape architect?

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whoa..V2 ady ? been ages since im last ere..

hmm..you will be doing the interiors and landscaping if u took architecture..but its just the basic knowledge am i right ? correct me if i'm wrong..hehe..

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whoa..V2 ady ? been ages since im last ere..

hmm..you will be doing the interiors and landscaping if u took architecture..but its just the basic knowledge am i right ? correct me if i'm wrong..hehe..

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both are using more or less the same theories in architecture. it's the same game, but the playground is different.

in architecture, u will learn more about interior design than landscape. infact, there i cant even say u'll spend 5% to learn landscape architecture, but atleast 1 semester to learn interior design.
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Hi Azarimy, considering that I do not have the SPM, will I be allowed to sit for the LAM - PAM Part 1, Part 2, and Part 3 exam later on after finishing my Architecture studies? (I have an SPM equivalent.)

Most importantly, will I be allowed to practice Architecture legally in Malaysia without the SPM? (Or is my future in Malaysia already doomed because I do not have the SPM?)

Will I be able to receive the Part 1, the Part 2, and the Part 3 accreditation from LAM - PAM in the future?

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Hi Azarimy, considering that I do not have the SPM, will I be allowed to sit for the LAM - PAM Part 1, Part 2, and Part 3 exam later on after finishing my Architecture studies? (I have an SPM equivalent.)

Most importantly, will I be allowed to practice Architecture legally in Malaysia without the SPM? (Or is my future in Malaysia already doomed because I do not have the SPM?)
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SPM is not a requirement for LAM examinations, neither it is a requirement for anything in architectural practice other than intake into diploma/degree course. even so, u could still use O-levels or american high-school equivalent.
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SPM is not a requirement for LAM examinations, neither it is a requirement for anything in architectural practice other than intake into diploma/degree course. even so, u could still use O-levels or american high-school equivalent.
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So will LAM - PAM accredit me with their Part 1, Part 2, and Part 3 later on when I fulfilled the requirements?

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Azarimy. i want to ask something.

is politeknik diploma(architecture) equivalent to university diploma?

juz curious because someone said that politeknik diploma(architecture) is lower standard compared to university diploma thus harder to continue for degree. do local University(IPTA) like UTM treat all diploma(polytechnic) holder who want to apply for their degree course the same as university diploma holder?

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So will LAM - PAM accredit me with their Part 1, Part 2, and Part 3 later on when I fulfilled the requirements?
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fulfilled the requirements AND passed the exams. yes. there are a lot of people out there who've fulfilled the requirements but continuously failed the exams u know biggrin.gif.

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Azarimy. i want to ask something.

is politeknik diploma(architecture) equivalent to university diploma?

juz curious because someone said that politeknik diploma(architecture) is lower standard compared to university diploma thus harder to continue for degree. do local University(IPTA) like UTM treat all diploma(polytechnic) holder who want to apply for their degree course the same as university diploma holder?
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IPTAs treat ALL diploma as the same. however each IPT would always give priority or special treatment to diploma holders from their own school simply bcoz of integrated/unified syllabus that is often used. for example, UTM will allow UTM diploma holders to go straight into 3rd year instead of 2nd year for other diplomas. it's the same with UiTM, taylor's, LKW and UCSI.

but for diploma holders from any other institutions, they'll be treated the same.

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fulfilled the requirements AND passed the exams. yes. there are a lot of people out there who've fulfilled the requirements but continuously failed the exams u know biggrin.gif.
Thanks a lot, I am relieve to hear that I can get accredited by LAM - PAM in the future.

I have another question;

After I have finished Taylor's Diploma in A.T. (Architectural Technology), will U.T.M. (University Technology Malaysia) be able to accept me into their Architecture course to further my Architecture studies? (Other than my Diploma results, will UTM be looking for the SPM too?)

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Thanks a lot, I am relieve to hear that I can get accredited by LAM - PAM in the future.

I have another question;

After I have finished Taylor's Diploma in A.T. (Architectural Technology), will U.T.M. (University Technology Malaysia) be able to accept me into their Architecture course to further my Architecture studies? (Other than my Diploma results, will UTM be looking for the SPM too?)
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SPM is not important there after. What is important is what are ur grades during the Diploma years and the portfolio of ur diploma works. Other than that, acing that entry interview is just as important.
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SPM is not important there after. What is important is what are ur grades during the Diploma years and the portfolio of ur diploma works. Other than that, acing that entry interview is just as important.
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Thanks a lot xtracooljustin.

I am really enjoying my Architecture studies. For one, I am getting addicted to sketching. I enjoyed sketching out the perspective of the interiors and corridors of buildings.

I am looking forward to more.
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QUOTE(Benjamin911 @ Apr 6 2008, 12:59 PM)
Thanks a lot, I am relieve to hear that I can get accredited by LAM - PAM in the future.

I have another question;

After I have finished Taylor's Diploma in A.T. (Architectural Technology), will U.T.M. (University Technology Malaysia) be able to accept me into their Architecture course to further my Architecture studies? (Other than my Diploma results, will UTM be looking for the SPM too?)
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yes, u will be eligible to apply for UTM.

on the other hand actually they will look into ur SPM too, but just to verify that u have fulfilled the minimum requirements. in most IPTAs, u still credit in BM, BI and maths. so they will need to check that first. but they wont use ur SPM results as a determining factor. they will do so the same with SPM-equivalent results.
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Hi , There's a few questions i would like to ask about architecture:
1)What is the average salary(starting pay) of an architect?
2)Are architects in demand in malaysia right now ?
3)Am i guarenteed a job after i've graduated from uni/after part 2.
4)Is the architecture course as hard as we think ?
5)Do we need to be tremendously good in drawing if we want to take up
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P/s: I'm 19 this year and i'm wondering if architecture would be the right route for my future. sweat.gif

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Hi , There's a few questions i would like to ask about architecture:
1)What is the average salary(starting pay) of an architect?
2)Are architects in demand in malaysia right now ?
3)Am i guarenteed a job after i've graduated from uni/after part 2.
4)Is the architecture course as hard as we think ?
5)Do we need to be tremendously good in drawing if we want to take up
  architecture?

P/s: I'm 19 this year and i'm wondering if architecture would be the right route for my future. sweat.gif
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Average starting pay varies.... currently in Malaysia is Rm2500...can be as high as Rm3000 if ur really good/impressive.

Architects are not really that hot in demand but wif a good portfolio, u can eventually get someone to employ you.

NOBODY IS GUARANTEED A JOB. Like i said, wif a good portfolio, you can always get urself hired.

Architecture is not hard... a lot of mental stress n physical stress though.

You do not need to b good in drawing, if you can imagine da spaces and put it into paper for others to see well enuf. When most ppl cant draw, they use computer tools to substitute that.

All the best!
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in relation to mrg18's questions, i'm gonna expand on justin's answers:




1) Average starting pay varies.... currently in Malaysia is Rm2500...can be as high as Rm3000 if ur really good/impressive.

to be more accurate, the average pay in urban areas like KL/lembah klang, penang, kuching and JB should be about RM2300-2500. but sub-urban areas or less densely populate urban areas have considerably lower starting pay average, usually between RM1800-RM2200.

2) Architects are not really that hot in demand but wif a good portfolio, u can eventually get someone to employ you.

i would say the demand of architects is quite ok. meaning there's not much to worry about for the next few years. but architecture is a field depending highly on expert skills. if u're an average student, i'd say "good luck finding a job". the profession craves the very best. u will also find that architecture is one of the courses that have consistently high drop out rate.

3) NOBODY IS GUARANTEED A JOB. Like i said, wif a good portfolio, you can always get urself hired.

agreed. but at the moment architecture graduates (with full parts 1 and 2) has a pretty high employability rate, near 100% within 1 year of graduation. but what this doesnt tell u is that, how many students were "held" in school bcoz the school doesnt think they're good enough for practice wink.gif.

4) Architecture is not hard... a lot of mental stress n physical stress though.

well, i would say no. architecture is even HARDER than u think wink.gif

5) You do not need to b good in drawing, if you can imagine da spaces and put it into paper for others to see well enuf. When most ppl cant draw, they use computer tools to substitute that.

yup, as what he said.


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Wanna ask something for help. I really want to go into architecture, but my father don't want me to go for architecture because he said architecture have no future. he want me to go for engineering. but i'm not good in mathematics. So, how do i convince my father that choosing architecture is not a bad choice?

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Wanna ask something for help. I really want to go into architecture, but my father don't want me to go for architecture because he said architecture have no future. he want me to go for engineering. but i'm not good in mathematics. So, how do i convince my father that choosing architecture is not a bad choice?
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although this is a very common situation, there's no single answer. every parent is different, and since they're ur parents, u're the best person to choose which approach is best. some points that u could ponder upon:

i. architecture HAS future, as much as any other fields. however it depends heavily on the individual's skills and capabilities. graduating with minimum achievements DOES NOT GUARANTEE anything!

ii. i've mentioned earlier that architecture dont need form 5 maths. but it doesnt mean u wont use form 5 maths at all. architecture uses geometrical maths and a blended/applied physics calculations. to learn these, u dont need form 5 maths, but there will be applied maths that u would need to grasp.

i could expand and touch every other thing, but like i said, every parent is different. go back through the entire thread, u're bound to pick up a few points. i just cant bring myself to repeat it again and again.
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yeah. i've already have the point. in fact, i've already shown my father the statistic showing that architecture student mostly get employed. just that right now i'm trying to find the best approach to tell my father.

before this, he keep saying that i've no art talent and don't have imagination. but i told him that i will be taught about the skills when i'm studying.

might be consulting a counselor for help.
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I've asked quite alot of ppl on this questions, these are usually what I get:
1) Average starting pay varies.... currently in Malaysia is Rm2500...can be as high as Rm3000 if ur really good/impressive.

the lowest I've heard is rm1600. architecture don't have a good starting pay, it's a bad investment to study unless you really interested in it

2) Architects are not really that hot in demand but wif a good portfolio, u can eventually get someone to employ you.

demand is there, preferably experienced ones. you can always look at the newspaper and usually would be three advertisements hiring experienced architects. in malaysia, architecture is not as highly regarded as in overseas, the malaysian public doesn't recognize the role of architects in construction industry second only to developers, but you gotta wait until malaysia is developed.

3) NOBODY IS GUARANTEED A JOB. Like i said, wif a good portfolio, you can always get urself hired.

high employability rate, depends on how you find opportunities

4) Architecture is not hard... a lot of mental stress n physical stress though.

one word. architorture. be prepared to have sleepless nights in a row

5) You do not need to b good in drawing, if you can imagine da spaces and put it into paper for others to see well enuf. When most ppl cant draw, they use computer tools to substitute that.

during studying, drawing skills are very often needed, architects communicate through sketches and models. without sketches, youre half paralyzed. but in malaysia's architectural profession, most still depend on autocad (yeah, client's design not architect's)

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1) Average starting pay varies.... currently in Malaysia is Rm2500...can be as high as Rm3000 if ur really good/impressive.


depends. my friend father got basic rm12k. do you guys know about commission they get for each project finished. for each project finished, he get mostly around rm600k for commission(depends on project). but, he is already working for 28years. moreover, by being an architect, you're not bound by age restriction for retirement. you can work as long as you capable.

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depends. my friend father got basic rm12k. do you guys know about commission they get for each project finished. for each project finished, he get mostly around rm600k for commission(depends on project). but, he is already working for 28years. moreover, by being an architect, you're not bound by age restriction for retirement. you can work as long as you capable.
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average starting pay.

maximum pay doesnt count. architecture is one of the few profession that doesnt have a maximum income/salary limit. my ex-boss in JB measures his earning by how many porsche he could buy per year. that's how much he earns tongue.gif
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if then, how much porsche do you have azarimy? haha. actually, by being an architect, we can work by ourself. correct me if i'm wrong. moreover like azarimy said, there were only 1600 part3 architect. architect is required in almost anything related to construction.

haha. just my opinion, correct me if i'm wrong.


edited: azarimy, i want to ask something. if an architect design a house, and in the contract he will be given 1% commission. will he get commission for just 1 house or number of the houses built?


just checked my name. haha. i dun get the UTM architecture interview. huhu. pretty sad actually. but there's another route for me to get into architecture.

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yes, u will be eligible to apply for UTM.

on the other hand actually they will look into ur SPM too, but just to verify that u have fulfilled the minimum requirements. in most IPTAs, u still credit in BM, BI and maths. so they will need to check that first. but they wont use ur SPM results as a determining factor. they will do so the same with SPM-equivalent results.
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if then, how much porsche do you have azarimy? haha. actually, by being an architect, we can work by ourself. correct me if i'm wrong. moreover like azarimy said, there were only 1600 part3 architect. architect is required in almost anything related to construction.

haha. just my opinion, correct me if i'm wrong.
edited: azarimy, i want to ask something. if an architect design a house, and in the contract he will be given 1% commission. will he get commission for just 1 house or number of the houses built?
just checked my name. haha. i dun get the UTM architecture interview. huhu. pretty sad actually. but there's another route for me to get into architecture.
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the architect's fees are based on the entire project. if it is a housing project, the architect will receive a percentage of the cost of the entire housing project, everything included, and not just depending on numbers of houses built.

lets take for example, 1 house costs RM200k. in the development, there are 100 houses that totals to RM20mil. lets estimate other amenities like road works, electrical & water supply etc at RM5mil. so the architect will receive a percentage of RM25mil. so individual buildings included, as well as the other costs of the projects that the architect would need to supervise.

also, a semi-detached house is considered as two separate buildings, as well as a row of shophouses. so u will get a fee for the individual buildings.

and to be clear, the minimum fees for the architect is 5.0%, and this is for something that is simple as a gudang, hangar or storage buildings. a house is typically 7.5%-10%.
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Azarimy, i would like to ask something. Can architecture grads then add another degree which is naval architecture? do university(IPTA) allow it? does architecture and naval architecture almost the same or just a whole different thing? i understand that naval architecture is about designing a ship and they learn different theories than what is learn in architecture. but, is it possible for people to jump from architecture into naval architecture?

one more thing. Do you find that learning architecture during your diploma and degree interesting? for example, what subject do you think is the most interesting in architecture?
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Azarimy, i would like to ask something. Can architecture grads then add another degree which is naval architecture? do university(IPTA) allow it? does architecture and naval architecture almost the same or just a whole different thing? i understand that naval architecture is about designing a ship and they learn different theories than what is learn in architecture. but, is it possible for people to jump from architecture into naval architecture?

one more thing. Do you find that learning architecture during your diploma and degree interesting? for example, what subject do you think is the most interesting in architecture?
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if u're talking about doing a naval arch after finishing ur arch degree, ofcourse u can. what's stopping u? it's just a matter of how much u will use it wink.gif. the university not allow u to do both at the same time, that's all.

naval architecture is actually more of naval engineering. beats me why they call it architecture. but they do lots of designing, u just simply take one portion out of it - making it beautiful. so all those "i wanna design something gempak; lets design something cool; or jom design kapal paling cantik" - all that goes down the drain. u wont be doing any of that. u will be designing something that is purely functional, efficient and practical.

i've had a friend who switched after finishing his arch diploma into naval arch, both in UTM, and he seems to be doing well now. my bestfriend and his wife worked with simeUEP in pasir gudang, occassionally building stuff on oil platforms and marine structures, which is part of naval architecture. both him and his wife are architects, not naval architects though.



well, most of it are interesting. personally i love design, and i love behavioural subjects too. this subject studies about human behaviours and how they respond or affected by their surroundings. this is an applied knowledge that u will use regardless whether u become an architect or not. unfortunately it's just a small component in the entire architecture education syllabus. example on stuff u learn:

i. why people will frequent the booth on the far side of a public toilet rather than the one closest to the entrance.

ii. how to design a kitchen based on triangular action nodes: the fridge (for storing food), the sink/prep (for washing and preparing food) and the stove/oven (to cook).

iii. why living rooms is always centred around the TV first, and not the main window/view.

u will spend most of ur time studying on site rather than reading about it. meaning u'll be interviewing people, observing behaviours from a far, taking videos and so on. what a way to become a stalker tongue.gif
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i got info that the interview is going to be held by this coming 25-30april range . so , please get ready .
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i got info that the interview is going to be held by this coming 25-30april range . so , please get ready .
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which interview is that? UTM has already finished its interviews last week.

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I am just curious to know what you think;

When comparing Architecture education to Engineering education.

Which is harder, and what makes it harder?

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i want to ask something.

if i choose politeknik route it'll be like this

diploma(3 years) + 1 year working experience + 4 year degree = 8 years.

is it too long? since right now i'm 18, by the time i get my degree, i'll be 26. and by the time i start to work, i'll be earning rm2.2k per month. in this case, how to improve productivity and my value so that I can get bigger project?

do part 2 architect can go straight into designing building or they just do drafting job when they started working. normally, fresh part 2 architect will do what kind of work in architectural firm. my question is for freshly graduated part 2 architect.

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QUOTE(Benjamin911 @ Apr 13 2008, 12:32 AM)
I am just curious to know what you think;

When comparing Architecture education to Engineering education.

Which is harder, and what makes it harder?
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to me..in my opinion..I shall say...Architecture..lol..i have no idea hows engineering like since I didnt study them so its kinda hard to compare..but if u were to ask architecture vs biotech..i'd still say architecture. lol..

to me which makes it hard is the workload..you also gotta learn the things that other courses do like econs or chem or physics etc...even if its just the basic things..then it comes to the designing part..gotta do a lot of research and thinking and god..thinking can be very tiring..lol..the workload you have, compared to the other courses are like double..i mean..not only you gotta do ur assignments (written or typed; whichever ur lecturer wants..just like the other courses and if written you gotta do lettering ya know.. tongue.gif ) you got to remember also you have your drawings and model to be done..and the submission for ur written assignments and drawing/model might be close to each other or even on the same date..you wont be getting much sleep and prolly wont be eating right..or you wont be able to go back when you have your study break (like whats going on wif me now..) and prolly wont be able to go out and enjoy compared to ur other frens from the other course..

*phew..tiring ya know ;p

but then again..to me..it also falls down to time management laa..if you can manage ur time well enough..no matter how hard or easy the course is..you can cope with it well and score..

but others might have diff views though wink.gif

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to me..in my opinion..I shall say...Architecture..lol..i have no idea hows engineering like since I didnt study them so its kinda hard to compare..but if u were to ask architecture vs biotech..i'd still say architecture. lol..

to me which makes it hard is the workload..you also gotta learn the things that other courses do like econs or chem or physics etc...even if its just the basic things..then it comes to the designing part..gotta do a lot of research and thinking and god..thinking can be very tiring..lol..the workload you have, compared to the other courses are like double..i mean..not only you gotta do ur assignments (written or typed; whichever ur lecturer wants..just like the other courses and if written you gotta do lettering ya know.. tongue.gif ) you got to remember also you have your drawings and model to be done..and the submission for ur written assignments and drawing/model might be close to each other or even on the same date..you wont be getting much sleep and prolly wont be eating right..or you wont be able to go back when you have your study break (like whats going on wif me now..) and prolly wont be able to go out and enjoy compared to ur other frens from the other course..

*phew..tiring ya know ;p

but then again..to me..it also falls down to time management laa..if you can manage ur time well enough..no matter how hard or easy the course is..you can cope with it well and score..

but others might have diff views though wink.gif

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Thanks a lot for your views.

So did you find the Architecture education enjoyable? (Do you think it was fun?)

Do you find it interesting?

Do you feel that the time you had spend on your Architecture education was worth it?

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yea i did compared to biotech or MUFY or A-levels..i love architecture even if the workload is heavy..even to my friends..we love doing what we're doing and we dun mind the lack of sleep..lol..the challenge in design and other subjects..we might complaint about it but it is still fun for us..


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do part 2 architect can go straight into designing building or they just do drafting job when they started working. normally, fresh part 2 architect will do what kind of work in architectural firm. my question is for freshly graduated part 2 architect.


some correction. heh. not for freshly grad part 2 tp answer my question. but what they were doing during working.

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yea i did compared to biotech or MUFY or A-levels..i love architecture even if the workload is heavy..even to my friends..we love doing what we're doing and we dun mind the lack of sleep..lol..the challenge in design and other subjects..we might complaint about it but it is still fun for us..

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That's good!

I hope that I too, can enjoy and have fun in the Architecture education like you did! wink.gif

All the best.

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i want to ask something.

if i choose politeknik route it'll be like this

diploma(3 years) + 1 year working experience + 4 year degree = 8 years.

is it too long? since right now i'm 18, by the time i get my degree, i'll be 26. and by the time i start to work, i'll be earning rm2.2k per month. in this case, how to improve productivity and my value so that I can get bigger project?


that's about right. and no, it's not too long. in previous system, it could take u up to 10 years to finish ur part 2 degree. but hey, u've already had 1 year working experience. those graduating with u had none. so u'd be paid atleast RM50-150 more than ur STPM->degree friends for ur starting pay.

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it depends on ur office. in small firms, they usually give u to do everything, from proposing to designing to visualizing to drafting. it's a one man's job. boss gives u a job, u do everything.

in bigger offices, they can afford to segregate the jobs into designers, technicians, visualizers and so on. so chances are u'd be spending time doing specialized areas and less in other areas. this can be good and bad. good bcoz u can hone ur skills and be the best at ur specific area. but this is bad for ur part 3, bcoz u need experience in all areas.



when i started my practice, i was given two projects to handle on my own, with 2 technicians under me. imagine a noob 23 year old designer having 2 very well experienced technicians aged 30++ to obey all his commands? what an ego stroker that was. but handling everything takes too much time especially when one project is in PJ while the other in keramat. u just dont have time for anything else...
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Do you find it interesting?

Do you feel that the time you had spend on your Architecture education was worth it?
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do i find it interesting ? yes..its not a boring subject to me..i am able to express my opinions and thoughts openly in class when we have our presentation..and the discussions that we have with the lecturers regarding designs, or about the understanding of architecture..or on other issues is very interesting too..and of course the other part that is interesting is the traveling..lol..

worth it ? yes because i wanna be an architect..so whatever time i had spent on my work is well worth it to me..plus u gotta remember..i'm enjoying every bit of it.. smile.gif but i have yet to graduate from part 1..hehe

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good bcoz u can hone ur skills and be the best at ur specific area. but this is bad for ur part 3, bcoz u need experience in all areas.
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so is it better to be in a small office then ? about the drafting for small offices..will it be done wholly by the technicians right down to the details and rendering ?
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so is it better to be in a small office then ? about the drafting for small offices..will it be done wholly by the technicians right down to the details and rendering ?
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most of the time, small offices dont even have a technician/draftperson post to boot. and even if they do, they're the ultimate b****es, serving their masters LOL. so if u wanna become a technician/draftperson, i strongly suggest u join a big office. they pay is better, and ur job is more secure.

becoming an architect in small office has its advantages. if u join early enough, u can become a senior in the firm fairly quickly. u also have a better rapport amongst those in the office. however, the disadvantage is, small offices dont usually get big projects, so ur projects would be from interior designs, renovations and perhaps bungalows. that would mean that small offices have bigger chance of closing down when the nation's economy takes a trip to the bottom.
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do i find it interesting ? yes..its not a boring subject to me..i am able to express my opinions and thoughts openly in class when we have our presentation..and the discussions that we have with the lecturers regarding designs, or about the understanding of architecture..or on other issues is very interesting too..and of course the other part that is interesting is the traveling..lol..

worth it ? yes because i wanna be an architect..so whatever time i had spent on my work is well worth it to me..plus u gotta remember..i'm enjoying every bit of it.. smile.gif  but i have yet to graduate from part 1..hehe

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Good for you. smile.gif

I am getting nervous about presentations and model making though... shocking.gif

I agree that the traveling part is interesting, recently all of us at Taylors went to K.L. Central to perform our first ever assignment! biggrin.gif Later on, we will also be visiting the Pavilion shopping complex in K.L. city and so on so fourth...thumbup.gif

Oh yeah, one of our lecturers is the Architect who designed the Pavilion shopping complex. (We will all be going to the place to learn out the secrets!) cool2.gif

There would also be other venues to visit such as the double story sky bridge on the 40+ floor of the Petronas Twin Towers and etc...

The sky bridge of the Petronas Towers looks really nice BTW!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:SkyBridge.JPG

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my first post. Haha.

hi, i'm a a-levels student here and about to take finals soon. So basically i won't be aiming for local U. And i'm trying and finding it hard to make choices for what i want to do in the future.
I like art though i'm not very good in it (but i took art for spm tongue.gif) but i decided not to take it for further studies. So i was planning to take biological/environmental science or smtg related to that field because i really like nature and stuff like that. Then one day i stumbled upon landscape architecture which really interest me because it's kind of like a combination of science and art from what i've read. Trying to get more info about it, hopefully this is the right place because it is someway connected with architecture.

Does landscape architecture deals with anything else besides garden, botanic parks and surrounding area of a building?
do you have to take B.Architecture before you can specialize to landscape architecture?
A normal bachelor degree only offer till's part1? so does it means we must continue towards master before we can even be a qualified architect?
a very minimum of studies is five years right?( i nv had any idea bout any part 1 or 2 until i checked this thread out)
What are the propects for landscape architects in malaysia compare to other countries?


if anybody can answer any of my Qs thankyou very much. It'll be really helpful. And really sorry if this isn't the right place to ask.

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my first post. Haha.

hi, i'm a a-levels student here and about to take finals soon. So basically i won't be aiming for local U. And i'm trying and finding it hard to make choices for what i want to do in the future.
I like art though i'm not very good in it (but i took art for spm tongue.gif) but i decided not to take it for further studies. So i was planning to take biological/environmental science or smtg related to that field because i really like nature and stuff like that. Then one day i stumbled upon landscape architecture which really interest me because it's kind of like a combination of science and art from what i've read. Trying to get more info about it, hopefully this is the right place because it is someway connected with architecture.
i'll focus straight on the questions. the questions are in bold.

Does landscape architecture deals with anything else besides garden, botanic parks and surrounding area of a building?

landscape architecture is basically environmental design. u design the natural environment from the front yard of ur house to an entire city. so the context is pretty big. however, i'm not sure if landscape architects are qualified to do anything else. but remember than landscape architecture is quite specialized - they're a blend of a designer and a botanist. u'd need to be well off about the science of flora.

do you have to take B.Architecture before you can specialize to landscape architecture?

no. u can take bachelor in landscape architecture straight away from STPM. however, u could also take architecture diploma (after SPM) before going into landscape degree.

A normal bachelor degree only offer till's part1? so does it means we must continue towards master before we can even be a qualified architect?
a very minimum of studies is five years right?( i nv had any idea bout any part 1 or 2 until i checked this thread out)


landscape degrees does not have a part 1, 2 or 3 like architecture. u need a single degree that usually lasts between 4 to 4.5 years. masters is optional, something u take just to specialize into something. finishing ur landscape degree will make u a "Graduate Landscape Architect".

What are the propects for landscape architects in malaysia compare to other countries?

malaysia, as a tropical country, pays more attention to landscape mainly bcoz we are very used to the idea that more trees/plants = better for health/well being. and the best part is, we have a wider range and more importantly a very different range of plant species at our disposal. so if u wanna practice in malaysia, it might be a good idea to do landscape architecture in malaysia, or perhaps in a country which has similar climate as malaysia. what i'm trying to say is, the prospects are still wide. u can see in cities like shah alam, landscape plays a big part in its identity. heck, it is where most landscape architects "experiment" their designs biggrin.gif.

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Azarimy, why some university put architecture course under faculty of arts? shouldn't architecture be under build environment?
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bro aza talked about this once..as far as i understand..its really up to the university to which faculty architecture is to be put or whats the title of the course/degree is as long as it is the same/has the part 1 accreditation..is that right ? correct me if i'm wrong though biggrin.gif

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not necessarily. architecture is one of those courses that could fall into just about any faculty. in UTM KL it is under engineering school. in skudai, before it is known as built environment, it was known as fakulti senibina. sheffield and the bartlett it is under its own school of architecture. leicester is under faculty of arts. UiTM is under FPSU (fakulti perancangan, senibina dan ukur bahan) while USM under HBU (housing building and planning). there are other schools that are under faculty of science, social science, history or even sociology.

so as u can see, it doesnt really matter bcoz architecture could be any of those things. it is just how the university organizes its courses.


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I would like to ask;

Is it true that I will be performing a lot of calculations in Architecture?

Is it true that there will be a lot of Mathematics in Architecture?

I have been told by various people that there will be a lot of Mathematics and calculations to perform in Architecture. (All of the personnels whom my mother have consulted about Architecture so far have all basically said the same thing about Architecture being calculation & Mathematic intensive!)

I would like to know whether what I was told is true?
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I'd like to ask some question.

I've read an advertisement from newspaper for Unity College International course which is Diploma Teknologi Senibina. They said that their diploma is a "Collaboration Program With Universiti Teknologi Malaysia". does that means i'll be treated the same as UTM diploma students when applying for degree? can i jump straight into 3rd year or the diploma is just the same as politeknik diploma?

heres the link for UCI

http://www.unity.edu.my/v4/arch/Diploma_Te...i_Senibina.html
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I would like to ask;

Is it true that I will be performing a lot of calculations in Architecture?

Is it true that there will be a lot of Mathematics in Architecture?

I have been told by various people that there will be a lot of Mathematics and calculations to perform in Architecture. (All of the personnels whom my mother have consulted about Architecture so far have all basically said the same thing about Architecture being calculation & Mathematic intensive!)

I would like to know whether what I was told is true?
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not as much as engineering. we do lots of calculations, true enough, but not mathematical calculations per se. u do a lot of figuring out and calculating pros and cons, decision making, choices to make and so on. in BM u refer that as pertimbangan or perbandingan.

but we still do mathematical calculations, most of the time using simple formula or abit of algebra. nothing fancy, bcoz most of the structural calculations are done by the engineers. during drawing productions, u do alot of geometrical calculations, stuff u do in form 4/5. there are also some ledger check & balance, but only basics, bcoz most of these are done by QS. so that's about it.

is that mathematical intensive? if u failed ur maths during SPM, it'll probably be intensive LOL.

QUOTE(destroyer @ Apr 14 2008, 10:56 AM)
I'd like to ask some question.

I've read an advertisement from newspaper for Unity College International course which is Diploma Teknologi Senibina. They said that their diploma is a "Collaboration Program With Universiti Teknologi Malaysia". does that means i'll be treated the same as UTM diploma students when applying for degree? can i jump straight into 3rd year or the diploma is just the same as politeknik diploma?

heres the link for UCI

http://www.unity.edu.my/v4/arch/Diploma_Te...i_Senibina.html
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i'm not sure. i know several universities have a collaboration programme with UTM, but i'm not sure how far it'll take u in terms of UTM's degree. i'll inquire about it and inform u later.
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ok. tanx a lot azarimy. hope to hear from you later on. tanx again.


Added on April 14, 2008, 8:49 pmone more thing. i think many student don't want to go into architecture fields because long years of studying. haha. correct me if i'm wrong

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ok. tanx a lot azarimy. hope to hear from you later on. tanx again.


Added on April 14, 2008, 8:49 pmone more thing. i think many student don't want to go into architecture fields because long years of studying. haha. correct me if i'm wrong
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my early sources told me that they will NOT be joining UTM KL's diploma into 3rd year. i've indicated this in page 1. i've just emailed the head-department, and we'll have to wait for his reply.

and yes, most were put off by the long duration. but hey, that's the price of elitism wink.gif. if u're in a party, three group of people will stand out - doctors, lawyers and architects. all these professions take longer to study, has rigorous professional examinations, and cost a lot. elitism is over rated. but hey, as long as a huge majority of the society thinks these are elite professions, we just enjoy the living wink.gif.
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allright. does that mean that it does not have the same privileges as the diploma hold by UTM KL diploma holder in terms of going into degree? so even i've received diploma from UTM, but not studying it in UTM KL, i'll just have the same diploma as politeknik (in terms of getting the privileges to go into 3rd years in utm which only apply to UTM KL student). am i right?


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my early sources told me that they will NOT be joining UTM KL's diploma into 3rd year. i've indicated this in page 1. i've just emailed the head-department, and we'll have to wait for his reply.

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QUOTE(destroyer @ Apr 14 2008, 06:56 PM)
I'd like to ask some question.

I've read an advertisement from newspaper for Unity College International course which is Diploma Teknologi Senibina. They said that their diploma is a "Collaboration Program With Universiti Teknologi Malaysia". does that means i'll be treated the same as UTM diploma students when applying for degree? can i jump straight into 3rd year or the diploma is just the same as politeknik diploma?

heres the link for UCI

http://www.unity.edu.my/v4/arch/Diploma_Te...i_Senibina.html
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sorry, i think there's some mistake from my earlier question. i mean that. it is

can i jump straight into 3rd year degree in UTM with the "collaboration diploma"

or the diploma(from the collaboration uni) will be treated the same as politeknik diploma when applying for UTM degree

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not as much as engineering. we do lots of calculations, true enough, but not mathematical calculations per se. u do a lot of figuring out and calculating pros and cons, decision making, choices to make and so on. in BM u refer that as pertimbangan or perbandingan.

but we still do mathematical calculations, most of the time using simple formula or abit of algebra. nothing fancy, bcoz most of the structural calculations are done by the engineers. during drawing productions, u do alot of geometrical calculations, stuff u do in form 4/5. there are also some ledger check & balance, but only basics, bcoz most of these are done by QS. so that's about it.

is that mathematical intensive? if u failed ur maths during SPM, it'll probably be intensive LOL.


Thanks, that clears it up for me.

I did not fail in my Mathematics BTW. biggrin.gif

I am looking forward to it all in Architecture. smile.gif

Regards.
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sorry, i think there's some mistake from my earlier question. i mean that. it is

can i jump straight into 3rd year degree in UTM with the "collaboration diploma"

or the diploma(from the collaboration uni) will be treated the same as politeknik diploma when applying for UTM degree
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i understand exactly what u're saying. the answer is the same.

QUOTE(Benjamin911 @ Apr 14 2008, 03:40 PM)
Thanks, that clears it up for me.

I did not fail in my Mathematics BTW. biggrin.gif

I am looking forward to it all in Architecture. smile.gif

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i'm not implying that u did. i said that u (the reader) will only feel that architecture is math intensive if they failed their SPM maths. if u pass or even scored, it should be easy.


Added on April 15, 2008, 1:44 amok, i've received the reply clarifying the UCI or any other diploma in collaboration with UTM. here's how it goes:

alot of colleges interested in hosting architecture courses now adopts UTM's diploma teknologi senibina. reason being the prestige and recognition that UTM offers as one of the most established school of architecture. however, bcoz of UTM's policy on quality control, we can not allow a UTM programme be run by others. so in order to solve this problem, we designed a new programme based on UTM's diploma senibina called diploma teknologi senibina.

so from this point on, any college wanting to use UTM's diploma curriculum will use the diploma teknologi senibina. it will be conducted entirely by the college, using its own resource. the product (ie: the students) will still be monitored by UTM, and if satisfactory, will be awarded UTM's diploma teknologi senibina.

now the issue:

diploma teknologi senibina is not equal to diploma senibina. to put it straight: it's a dumbed down version of UTM's diploma senibina. the criteria of award is less strict than diploma senibina, fairly easier and less rigor.

the implication:

UTM does not consider its diploma teknologi senibina to be as good as UTM's diploma senibina, hence they dont qualify to join 3rd year. infact, i was informed that UTM degree considers its diploma teknologi senibina barely qualifies for 2nd year! meaning if ur results arent exemplary, u'd probably couldnt even join 2nd year.

at the moment, UTM ranks its diploma senibina and UiTM's old part 1 diplomas the highest, then poly diploma, then the other diplomas, and eventually UTM's own collaborated diploma teknologi senibina. it's not necessarily how other schools would rank it, but if u're applying to UTM, u might wanna consider about this. so destroyer, since u're already considering poly diploma, i think u're in the right track to join UTM.

hope this clarifies everything.

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Haha. tanx a lot Azarimy. I never thought that top uni like UTM will treat polytechnic diploma like that. hehe. because most of my family and friends don't want me to go into polytechnic because they said it's hard for polytechnic students to get a job and to continue their study. but you've clarifies that polytechnic diploma is not that bad. tanx again azarimy.

now waiting for 12may for polytechnic result.

edited: does polytechnic diploma recognized worldwide?

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Azarimy, would you mind listing out all the subjects making up UTM's Diploma in Architecture and UTM's Diploma in Architectural Technology?

I am very curious to know.

Thanks a lot in advance.

[I performed a search at the UTM's webside just now; but without success.]

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now waiting for 12may for polytechnic result.

edited: does polytechnic diploma recognized worldwide?
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it should be good enough for u to skip first year, just as any other diploma would be.

QUOTE(Benjamin911 @ Apr 15 2008, 04:52 AM)
Azarimy, would you mind listing out all the subjects making up UTM's Diploma in Architecture and UTM's Diploma in Architectural Technology?

I am very curious to know.

Thanks a lot in advance.

[I performed a search at the UTM's webside just now; but without success.]
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i dont have the subject listings. u could email colleges offering diploma teknologi senibina for the subject listing. i'll try and get the subject listing for UTM diploma.

what i'm expecting is that the subject is more or less the same. but the content is different. since subject content (curriculum) is an intellectual property, i doubt any college/university would openly divulge to any inquests about that.
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so far, currently in malaysia, which school is number 1 in architecture? is it UTM? well... that's the reason i want to be in UTM. to get into among the best in Malaysia. azarimy, how much is the current tuition fee per sem in UTM architecture degree?

normally, how many part 2 degree do utm produce each year.

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so far, currently in malaysia, which school is number 1 in architecture? is it UTM? well... that's the reason i want to be in UTM. to get into among the best in Malaysia. azarimy, how much is the current tuition fee per sem in UTM architecture degree?

normally, how many part 2 degree do utm produce each year.
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nobody can claim their school is the best. it's a biased opinion. also, there's no real gauge or benchmark that could be used to determine which architecture school is the best in malaysia. hence why i always use accreditation as my own personal benchmark - because it is easier to follow and more importantly, it is more credible.

if i were to say UTM is the best, UM has RIBA. if i were to say UM is the best, UiTM produces more part 2 than UM. and USM is more diverse than UiTM, while UTM are stronger in technical sense than USM. so each school is better in something than the other. and each school strives to be really strong in their niche area.




the fees per semester is about RM1600, which is generally the average of any course in an IPTA (except medicine).

normally UTM produces 40 part 2 graduates per year. but recently the average have risen to 60-70 students. the number might go down again due to new control exerted by the faculty members.
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hey azarimy

Based on da pic/chart 4.0. Common Paths to Studying Architecture, does Alfa Diploma Non-Part 1 (3 years) can take the LAM Part 1 Exam without having a degree ? can u list some of the other diplomas from other institution that can do so please and thank you..
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from my survey and some reading, i've indicate that so far, architecture degree holder can work in, interior design, furniture design, landscape architecture, and of course as an architect.

if anyone know more field, just add in the list.

btw azarimy. regarding the naval architecture. can people with just architecture degree work as naval architect without taking another degree of naval architecture.

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i've had a friend who switched after finishing his arch diploma into naval arch, both in UTM, and he seems to be doing well now. my bestfriend and his wife worked with simeUEP in pasir gudang, occassionally building stuff on oil platforms and marine structures, which is part of naval architecture. both him and his wife are architects, not naval architects though.


does your friends have degree in naval architecture or architecture degree? sorry. i cannot fully understand what r u saying. very2 sorry.

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hey azarimy

Based on da pic/chart 4.0. Common Paths to Studying Architecture, does Alfa Diploma Non-Part 1 (3 years) can take the LAM Part 1 Exam without having a degree ? can u list some of the other diplomas from other institution that can do so please and thank you..
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hello sogoatticus,

as far as i know, only one diploma is accredited with part 1, that is the UiTM diploma (4 years after SPM). however, i believe the last batch of this group graduated in 2007 (or 2006). now all part 1 certificates in malaysia are degree programmes. there's no diploma of architecture in malaysia that would allow u to take LAM part 1 exam independently.

QUOTE(destroyer @ Apr 15 2008, 01:46 PM)
if anyone know more field, just add in the list.

btw azarimy. regarding the naval architecture. can people with just architecture degree work as naval architect without taking another degree of naval architecture.


technically, no. but there's a huge shortage of naval architects in malaysia, so both architects and naval engineers had to combine their expertise to lfill the need.

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does your friends have degree in naval architecture or architecture degree? sorry. i cannot fully understand what r u saying. very2 sorry.
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no. they only have architecture degree.

like i said before, although they're not certified naval architects/engineers, there are alot of areas in naval architecture that overlaps with architecture, so we (the architects) will fill what the engineers couldnt do.

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Azarimy, i'd like to ask you for architecture programme under matriculation route. wanna ask. How much matric pointer i need to have to get into UTM architecture?

I already considering to go into politeknik. just wanna ask for matriculation route. how do they perform in their degree. which is better matric or politeknik?

matric= time wise.

politeknik= basic, technic, skill, and knowledge wise. include more matured thinking


I'm just asking in case my family force me to go into matriculation.

btw azarimy, when you finish your study, you'll be teaching degree student am I right. one more thing. can you provide route to get into academic field as you are. what is your salary when you start to work as lecturer after getting phd? can lecturer involve in building design project but he is currently a lecturer. will university allow it?

have you taken the part 3 exam? haha. out of topic. just asking.

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Azarimy, i'd like to ask you for architecture programme under matriculation route. wanna ask. How much matric pointer i need to have to get into UTM architecture?


the number varies from year to year. generally u need atleast 3.50 to stand a chance. anything lower than that, u need a helluva portfolio and an absorbing personality. remember that nothing u learn in matriculation will eventually be used in architecture, so portfolio wise, u're gonna have to start from scratch.

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I already considering to go into politeknik. just wanna ask for matriculation route. how do they perform in their degree. which is better matric or politeknik?

matric= time wise.

politeknik= basic, technic, skill, and knowledge wise. include more matured thinking
I'm just asking in case my family force me to go into matriculation.


i'd say, poly would fare better. but to tell u the truth, poly takes more time, although easier and less competitive. i'd always opt for poly anytime.

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btw azarimy, when you finish your study, you'll be teaching degree student am I right. one more thing. can you provide route to get into academic field as you are. what is your salary when you start to work as lecturer after getting phd? can lecturer involve in building design project but he is currently a lecturer. will university allow it?

have you taken the part 3 exam? haha. out of topic. just asking.
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i. normally, it's hard to get an offer straight from degree into academia. u need atleast a few years experience. but i've already made my intentions clear to the entire faculty by 4th year, geared all my assignments, projects and thesis towards academic (rather than practical/professional practice), and most importantly, i became a teaching assistant when i was in my final year, teaching 1st year studio. so by the time i graduated, the school was well aware of my capabilities and interests. they offered me a part-time teaching job (while i practiced for a year) before they finally offered a permanent job.

ii. the starting salary with a phd should be around RM4k (not including allowances etc). it varies depending on field specialization, seniority and the post i will hold eventually (ketua jabatan, ketua penyelidik etc).

iii. yes, all lecturers are even encouraged to practice. this is the only way academicians could be up-to-date with the current practices, as well as becoming the industry experts. most of the lecturers i know are practicing part time or freelancing. a few actually owns their own firm.

iv. no i havent taken the part 3 exam. it's very low in my priority. taking part 3 exam is one thing, maintaining the license is another. if u cant fulfill enough criteria per year, ur license will expire. although there are perks for lecturers to maintain their part 3, but it would get in the way of my research at the moment. so i'm not thinking of taking it right now. but i'm sure eventually i will, just to get the AR infront of my name, along with professor, datuk, doktor, tan sri, kapten, haji or whatever...

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i see. right now, politeknik result will clash with matric registration day. hope i'll be able to get into poli. want to get into architecture as soon as possible.
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now i'm in some deep shit. my father doesn't agree with my choice of taking up architecture. he keeps pressing that i'd be working like a contractor if i do. and he prefers me taking business related courses instead = =
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QUOTE(aprisis @ Apr 16 2008, 11:12 AM)
now i'm in some deep shit. my father doesn't agree with my choice of taking up architecture. he keeps pressing that i'd be working like a contractor if i do. and he prefers me taking business related courses instead = =
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well, u should tell him that architects and contractors are two different profession, requiring two different qualifications. to become a contractor, u need a degree/diploma in building construction or construction management. architects do learn about those, but not as deep or specialized. so even if u hold an architecture degree, u should leave expert builders to do the construction. we architects are simply less qualified than they are.
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QUOTE(azarimy @ Apr 16 2008, 07:30 PM)
well, u should tell him that architects and contractors are two different profession, requiring two different qualifications. to become a contractor, u need a degree/diploma in building construction or construction management. architects do learn about those, but not as deep or specialized. so even if u hold an architecture degree, u should leave expert builders to do the construction. we architects are simply less qualified than they are.
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architects can work pass the retirement age izit true?
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architects can work pass the retirement age izit true?
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definitely. as the same with any other self-working people. how old do u think most top architects in the world are? biggrin.gif
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does it cost a lot to take up architecture?
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Azarimy once said it cost around rm1600 per sem(degree) for tuition fee in ipta. might cost higher in IPTS

mybe cost will be slightly higher for computer/lappy purpose or model making.

mybe Azarimy can provide further explaination.
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obviously gonna cost more than rm1600++ if ur planning to study overseas..i dun know the exact number though.. smile.gif
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per sem means per year or?
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rm1600 per sem in IPTA.

in oberc i dunno. sure cost even higher. same applied to IPTS.
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local..one year..2 sem..so per sem is just for half a year..correct not ?

for overseas i'm not sure..i think its for the whole year..hmm..the best is to check the website urself..they even have the cost of living there... smile.gif

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local IPTS can cost between RM8k - 16k per year.
UK schools are currently has an average of GBP10k to 12k per year.
australian schools cost something around AUD17-25k per year.

these are only for the fees; does not include living costs, equipments or whatever else u need for studying.

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QUOTE(azarimy @ Apr 16 2008, 10:07 PM)
local IPTS can cost between RM8k - 16k per year.
UK schools are currently has an average of GBP10k to 12k per year.
australian schools cost something around AUD17-25k per year.

these are only for the fees; does not include living costs, equipments or whatever else u need for studying.
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the fees, and the tuition fees, are count separately?

seriously though, i have no idea wats the difference between the 2 sad.gif

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QUOTE(aprisis @ Apr 16 2008, 02:27 PM)
the fees, and the tuition fees, are count separately?

seriously though, i have no idea wats the difference between the 2  sad.gif
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fees = tuition fees.

tomahto tomayto. same thing, different sound.
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can i know all the private universities that offers degree in architecture in malaysia that is not a university college ?
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can i know all the private universities that offers degree in architecture in malaysia that is not a university college ?
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i believe only limkokwing is the only full private university that offers architecture degree.

taylor's, UCSI and twintech are all university colleges.
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i believe only limkokwing is the only full private university that offers architecture degree.

taylor's, UCSI and twintech are all university colleges.
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sorry for asking the inappropriate, but wats the difference between university and university college?
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@azarimy, how much time do you take to finish from diploma until you get your part 2 degree? 7 years?

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