Hai~ sorry to interrupt your, um, conversation like this (=.=) but i need to ask: from what i've read in the first page, concerning the paths to becoming an architect, i gathered that you can switch from civil engineering or interior design to archi? is it true? and as Azarimy said, the transferring of courses is handled on a case-by-case basis, does it mean you have to attend interviews and such?

I just got my STPM result and am trying to choose my courses. since there are only so many IPTAs that are accredited by LAM, I still have 4 or 5 choices to fill in. For now I am considering choosing UM and UKM's Civil, and also USM's ID. So that If i really couldn't get through the interviews (If i do get called to attend, that is) at least I can do one year Civil then apply for transfer... Any advice? (My bro says, 'Just leave the other choices blank! Show 'em you really really Only want to be an Architect! =.=)

sorry. right. will use 'transfer' and 'change' more carefully next time. thanks for the correction and informations

well. then i guess i'll have to ditch civil...never really thought of myself as an engineering person anyway hmm..i've looked at UTM's available programmes quite a few times already, and from what i know, they don't have interior design, right? that ia actually the next thing i think i would like to do, after archi. landscape arr...but i don't have 'green fingers'. never plant anything in my life so far don't think it suits me.

another question. i know you (i mean Azarimy) dont really approve of studying arch in a non-accredited school (i.e. UKM, UPM); but then...who goes there to study? i'm yet to know anyone who studies at non-acc schools.. Is it very difficult to pass PAM I and II? besides preparing your portfolio, are there any tests? interviews? i'm asking this because i don't know whether i should put UKM and UPM as my choices or not. Does anyone know anything about arch fac in those schools?

thank you~!

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Added on March 15, 2008, 8:37 pmgosh. just went to look up 'landscape architecture' and realize my huge mistake. have thought all along that landscape arch means garden design! i. am. such. a. fool.

anyway. am starting to think that perhaps landscape arch is quite interesting too. anyone have anything to say on that ? (...i dont think i should post this here..this is, after all, "So you're interested in ARCHITECTURE?" =.=)

This post has been edited by yuexia: Mar 15 2008, 08:37 PM

OH MY GOD OH MY GOD OH MY GOD
I just checked the mohe web and I GOT THE INTERVIEW on this Sun!! *beams* XD
...sorry. couldn't control myself. i simply Have to tell someone >___< cos' i honestly thought i wasn't going to get the interview after all >____<
(um. sorry to interrupt your conversations...ignore me ignore me XD)

hehe XD (okay, still in the hyperactive/overjoyed mode)

(oh and to Destroyer: yes, i just did STPM last year, going into undergraduate studies )

i went to the UKM interview last Sat (2 days, er, *glances at the time*, no, 3 days ago) and the interview this Sun is from UTM~~ ^^

but i didn't get the interview from USM though (which falls on this coming Thursday, my friend got the phone call). but then USM is my third choice so...guess i sort of saw it coming ><

neeeway, too happy now. not sure whether i can sleep tonight

oh ya, opinions opinions: in the surat tawaran we were only asked to 'membawa alat tulis seperti pencil 2B, getah pemadam untuk ujian melukis'. but a senior of mine (currently 1st year in UTM Arch ^^) told me when her batch was invited for the interview last year they were specifically asked to bring one coloured drawing and one sketch. so...any particular reason for the change in this year's interview? do you think i should bring some drawings? not that i have any right now...but if i Have to...i mean, if there are advantages...

it's me again

i'm preparing for the interview and am trying to read up on famous architects. i found one website the other day Famous architects. there are 33 architects listed and i realized that i'm never going to be able to read And remember all of them >.<

So here are the names and i was wondering can anyone who knows these famous people give me some pointers as to which one i should know by heart? thanks~~ heheh.

Adolf Loos -- Albert Kahn -- Aldo Rossi -- Alvar Aalto -- Alvaro Siza -- Antonio Gaudi -- Carlo Scarpa -- Eliel Saarinen -- Frank Lloyd Wright -- Frank Owen Gehry -- Fumihiko Maki -- Gottfried Boehm -- Kevin Roche -- Marcel Breuer -- Charles Ormond Eames -- Christopher Wren -- Ieoh Ming Pei -- James Stirling -- Kenzo Tange -- Henry Hobson Richardson -- Le Corbusier -- Louis Henry Sullivan -- Louis Isadore Kahn -- Luis Barragan -- Ludwig Mies van der Rohe -- Mario Botta -- Michael Graves -- Oscar Niemeyer -- Paolo Soleri -- Renzo Piano -- Richard Meier -- Robert Venturi -- Tadao Ando

So far I only know(...okay, sort of know) Frank Lloyd Wright, Frank Gehry and Le Corbusier. and also Dr Ken Yeang, Tengku Robert Hamzah, Cesar Pelli. i went to the public library and found a biography of John Nash, but turned out he wasn't on this list so...would anyone like to comment on these names? maybe there are others that i should know of but aren't listed above?

thanks veryvery much~~~

Thanks azarimy!! will go search for them now~~

and also one more thing. i've been trying to search for forum or sites that give comments on buildings, i.e. its practicality, influences towards the surroundings, etc but to no avail. are there sites like those? or maybe discussion forums? i read about the design of the umno penang building (by TR Hamzah & Yeang) and have some questions on it...

This post has been edited by yuexia: Apr 23 2008, 07:00 PM

gosh!! saw your post and straightaway went to check my mail...i got it too! ^^

but i applied for Archi and Industrial Design and it's stated in my email that 'the test will be conducted in 4 different venues'. so i was just wondering...are you required to go to 4 places too? or is it 2 places for Archi and 2 for Industrial Design?

also i have sth to ask bout UTM's interview: are we allowed to use mechanical pencils to draw? i mean, i know we're told to bring 2B pencils, but i really don't like using them...cos' the lines tend to get broader by the end of the stroke haih. but i guess it's not really 'professional' to use mechanical pencils, huh? ...or maybe it's exactly the skill of using 2B pencil to draw and Yet draw out even lines that really shows your, er, 'pro'-ness? ....i think i'm talking nonsense =.=

neway, i just talked to my friend who went to USM's Archi interview and she said they actually asked her bout 'who's the CM of Penang?' 'who's the menteri besar of Selangor?' 'who's the menteri besar of Kedah?' she was so shocked...in the end she only managed to answer questions about Penang...(we're penangites-- mah ^^) ...will questions like these come out in UTM's interview? i mean, did they ask bout current issues in the past years? i know as malaysians we are supposed to know all these, but they didn't even ask her about local/international architects nor the basic question 'Why do you want to read architecture?'....That is what i call Weird >.< (plus my family only read chinese newspapers...now i have to go find out the menteri-menteri's names in eng =.=)

came back from KL yesterday after the UTM interview ^^

i sort of realised sth...there is a reason for interviews to be called INTER-view. besides being assessed by the interviewer, it is also a chance for the prospective student to have a clearer idea of how the university is like.

I really really like my interviewers ^^ too bad i didn't take down their names. the session was really relaxed (...is that a good thing? ) and they were really really nice. i actually sort of regretted that i put UTM as second choice i think they were shocked when i said UTM's not my first choice...then they told me i'll only get UTM IF i put it as first *sob* but if they aren't going to consider second-choicers, then why call them up for interviews in the first place?

compared to the warm and cheerful(?) impression that the UTM interviewers gave me, UM feels a bit distanced and cold now...why oh why don't the UM people conduct interviews? >.<

This post has been edited by yuexia: Apr 28 2008, 08:16 AM

um. well. i went into the room situated on the side of the corridor leading towards Dewan Jumaah (my interview centre was the KL campus). there were 2 interviewers, the man was quite tall i think (he was sitting down all the time. i just instictively felt that he's quite tall ) , wasn't wearing specs and with no moustache. the lady wore specs, average height (i think). both were really jovial

but then again, i'm Really veryvery poor at remembering what people wore and stuff like that. so...

um. i think both are around 30+ to 40. both are malays, and she was wearing a tudung. (still don't think i'm of much help here =.=)

actually, he commented that i have a good drawing ^^ and he said 'i don't know what else to ask you' right after i sat down hmm. i really think you guys (UTM lecturers and interviewers) have similar way of thinking. cos' he mentioned the word 'steal' too.

i really don't think i'll get UM (yes, it is my 1st choice =.=), because they specify 'Physics' in their programme requirements and i'm a Biology student (to Azarimy: i actually asked you about it once...long long time ago: does UTM accept bio students?' )

when i ask them (my interviewers): 'so...if UM doesn't want me, can i appeal to UTM?' they said, 'if UM doesn't want you then you'll definitely come to UTM.' is it true? does the system really work this way? but what if too many applicants put UTM as 1st choice? (and you said even if those who got offered don't show up, the places will be given to diploma holders ) i'm still not going to get UTM, right? and then they'll randomly give me something

to *serenity*: well, i wouldn't say that it's good news yet...but i do really really hope so

eheh...sorry for not being helpful at all...my vocab for describing people is veryvery limited

but why does this --- --- sounds like universities brochures? but it's a comfort to know that you really do mean what you say. i have talked to 2 UTM Arch students before (one in first year, the other in 6th year cos' he took the diploma course) and from what they told me i can tell that they really enjoy their university lives and also the environment. at that point i thought to myself, 'if a student can enjoy him/herself That much in a school, then it must be a very good school indeed.'

gosh. am i allowed to do random chit-chat here? everyone here seems to be asking questions or answering people's questions most of the time

This post has been edited by yuexia: Apr 29 2008, 04:47 PM

gosh...i feel dizzy.

one of my teachers (i'm temporary teaching in my former high school ^^) lent me 2 discs and a book on AutoCAD and i'm *trying to* learn how to use it. but i'm so confused by all the commands! totally alien to me. Mass-Group? RCP? FLR? >.<

i'm actually following the 'AutoDesk Learning Assistance': read the instruction, click on the other window, apply the instruction, click the assistance window, read instructions again, click the other window, back and forth, back and forth. i do Not think this is at all productive nor effective. why can't i just find someone to teach me?!! =.= ...now That's a good idea maybe i'll ask around see if any of my friends knows how to use it

neeeway, i was just thinking, do i really need to know how to use this AutoCAD thing? (honestly i didn't even know such a software exists until that teacher mentioned it to me. cos' he knows i'm applying for Architecture. then turns out even my Dad has heard about it!! cos' he asked me about the software when he saw me struggling with it in front of the computer ) do archi students really use this software? or is there any particular software recommended? that teacher said it would be better if i know how to use it cos' then i can do 3D stuffs

i heard that people use CorelDraw too? or is it only for graphic design? i've used it before but only to arrange texts and pics a group of us were compiling a book (sort of like an anthology) comprising students' poems, short stories, etc. i suppose there is still a lot other functions i have not really explored...

to azarimy:

you have no idea how relief i am to hear someone telling me not to 'jump the gun' cos' everyone keeps asking me, 'so how are you preparing so far?' (and i usually 'er...' i think the reason they ask is because they don't know what else to talk about. haih) okay, i'll try the box thing you mention, just to know the basics. i've actually considered going to (maybe) work/help out in an archi firm, if they need someone (and my friends are all saying, 'you know, i have an uncle/auntie/cousin/etc who's an architect...maybe he/she can help you...' >_< how come everyone except me has relatives who are architects?!!) then someone gave me a veryvery appreciated piece of advice, 'if you're going to (i mean, since you planned to) work with buildings and drawings for the rest of your life, shouldnt you enjoy these last few months before moving on to that other stage of your life? cos' after these few months, i think you wont be able to stop thinking about buildings and floor plans even if you wanted to.'

plus he told me it wouldn't have worked out anyway because 1) the real architects will be too busy to teach me anything 2) i don't have any skills that they need anyway i.e. drafting skills/...(okay, i don't even now what they need...i have not the slightest idea what goes on inside an archi firm ) 3) even if they do hire me, it'll be for doing paperwork like photocopying or sending documents to other places and i wont learn anything useful for my future.

SO

to gildil:

thanks for your info. but i guess i'll just have to wait till i start reading archi and learn the softwares along with my course mates but i'll keep in mind Archicad, 3D Max and (from azarimy) illustrator.

thanks a lot!

Hey...i need some advice here.

I got admission into HKU architecture. but i'm only offered HKD35000 and my parents will still have to pay up to nearly RM56000, plus all expenses PER　ＹＥＡＲ. Which is quite impossible for two retired teachers living on their pensions.

So, any advice? i couldn't find any scholarship that offers architecture overseas. plus even if there are such scholarships it'll be well over their deadlines now.

I don't want to sound ignorant or anything, cos' i know it's ranked 18th among 200 unis in THES, but what do you guys think about HKU architecture? is it really very good? i am thinking about writing letters to corporations, asking for sponsorship (though i don't really think we're supposed to do that and i'm probably wasting my time, but i really don't know what else to do).

>.<

hi it's me again.

i would like to ask about HKU architecture. i went to the website and it says there the bachelor's degree takes 3 years, and the master's degree takes 2 years. and since HKU's degree is accredited by PAM, does it mean that i have to complete the master's degree in order to get PAM part 1 and part 2? (assuming i can find financial aid =.=)

and when i went for interview in NUS, the interviewer told me their course is 4+1. so all this 3+2(HKU), 4+1(NUS), 3+2 but not 'master'(UM, USM) and 5 but not master(UTM) are actually the same? i remember someone (i think it's aza lar) said that all these just differ in the 'title', but does it mean if i aim to get my master's, i have to take 7 years to achieve it in local unis but 5 years only in NUS/HKU?

this is weird. do people really acknowledge you as a 'master degree person' when you graduate from NUS/HKU?

another thing (i think i got it right but just want to confirm my 'tafsiran'): i only got scholarship for the first 3 years(bachelor's degree) in HKU. if (unfortunately) i can't get further scholarship to continue my 'master's' there and have to come back, does it mean i only have Part 1? and where else can i go from there? can i apply to local unis to continue my part 2? (UTM doesn't accept Part 1 undergrads like that, right? or is it possible for me to apply for UTM's fourth year?)

thanks

hey..anyone got the interview for the MBAM Education Fund? i'm going on the 12th june.

Sir Azarimy, can you tell me why you think HKU is one of the best archi schools in Asia? i'm still considering HKU or local unis...

i personally think the most exciting thing about HKU is its visiting lecturers i read that Jean Nouvel and I.M.Pei lectured in HKU before (*_*) to think those people actually standing in front of the lecture hall talking to you!! (*_*) okay, maybe i'm overreacting so, question: do students really benefit from these visiting lecturers? how long do they usually stay at the university? i went to UTM's website but couldn't find any news relating to its previous/current visiting lecturers...can forumers from UTM Arch or other unis share your views on your lecturers/visiting lecturers? how do the universities invite these famous architects anyway?

i'm not trying to imply that local unis are not good (cos' i'm most probably going to local uni after all ) but what is the difference between local archi schools and other overseas archi schools? the facilities? we have labs and studios complete with the latest designing softwares for students, don't we? the teaching methods? i believe our lecturers and profs probably graduated from renowned schools too (although their CVs are not listed on the UTM FBE's website so i can't really check) and from the quotes below---

---i know that UTM profs/lecturers are great too...so? what else?

whenever i tell my mom the reason *i think* HKU Arch is a good school, she'll say 'how do you know local unis don't have/do that?'. that's what i want to know too. what is it that makes our unis less sought-after than Cambridge, Bartlett, etc? (i mean architecture schools in those unis)

i'm here to express my gratitude to everyone who helped me during my application and interview for UTM architecture.

and i got it!! XD so thank you...especially to sir azarimy for this thread.

though i'm still a lil uncertain about my decision, but i still feel very happy to know that UTM actually thinks i'm good enough for them (or maybe i have the potential for development, heheh) ^^ and that i have what it takes [albeit only initially...??] to become an architect! you have no idea how much that means to me. seriously. i feel totally confident and top-of -the-world after the UTM interview.

so THANKS A BUNCH!! *hugses*

did anyone here take a loan to study architecture in overseas university? i'm contemplating on getting one because my parents cant afford it.

i might go to hku and i probably need rm150k for 3 years, maybe more. i will be going to different banks to ask about their loan repayment system and stuffs like that tomorrow, but first i need to know: how much will i be getting paid every month when i graduate with a PAM I and II? have anyone ever heard of someone not being able to pay back the bank?

how long will it usually take for a fresh graduate with a Part I and II to get his/her Part III? or do people usually work for 5, 6, or 7 years before trying to get their Part III?

one more thing: i went to PAM's website to look at the accreditation list but the link is broken. so i went to the LAM website instead but found that HKU wasn't in that list but i'm 100% SURE i saw 'HKU' in PAM's list because that's how i came across this university in the first place. so what could cause this discrepancy?

(btw, HKU is still in the list in the first post of this thread by sir azarimy)

Click this link for the LAM accreditation list

Can a university suddenly Not be accredited? okay, i suppose there is that possibility, but...hku?

'fine' as in....i'll get a job in HK and UK but not in malaysia? that means i can't come back to look for a job until i pass my Part I and II, right? *sigh* what is the procedure of sitting for a part I and II exam? am i only required to mail my portfolios (accumulated during my university education, i suppose?) and wait for their assessments then go sit for an interview on a fixed date? then they'll determined whether i'm qualified? and that'll usually takes up...half a year?

and thanks for the info

This post has been edited by yuexia: Jun 22 2008, 09:32 AM