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post Sep 8 2008, 11:27 PM

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Umm...a friend of mine is interested in landscape architecture. Which university offers that program or is it just architecture in general? Help please, thank you!

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QUOTE(melvin91motorola @ Sep 8 2008, 02:04 PM)
eh! i dun see any U here in sabah have the courses for architeture=_=''....help!!! uitm(no)......T_Tdamit and i dont want to continue stpm!
PS: im pretty sure uitm sabah dont have arc. program, som1 can clarify me this?? cuz when uitm ppl come to my school, they didn even mention it.( i alrdy read pg1)
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as far as i know, there's not a single architecture school in sabah, including UiTM. the only UiTM that offers architecture are UiTM shah alam and UiTM seri iskandar (perak).
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QUOTE(azarimy @ Aug 12 2008, 06:57 PM)
it's very hard to imagine a draftperson that is NOT some form of a kuli to the architect. in the architect's office, the draftpersons are the bottom feeders. they are the lowest paid employees, even the receptionists are paid higher. but that's not exactly why draftpersons are referred to as the architect's slaves.

it's about the job specification. draftpersons primary job is to draw and visualize an architect's ideas. design is not their priority. ofcourse they could add their own interpretation of the architect's instructions, but this is strongly limited by the architect's final say. simply means, if u add too much, u'd be wasting ur time bcoz that's not what the architect pays u to do. ur job is to draw and draft from presentation drawings to 3D to final working drawing.

lets look at it this way:

secretaries are sometimes referred to as the boss' slave. they take calls, set appointments, manage their schedules, make coffees and so on. draftpersons are in a way very similar, but they're specialized in architectural stuffs - they do drawings, organizes technical drawings, visualize and so on.
however, with a Part 1, u're not a draftperson but a junior architect or architect's assistant. to become a draftperson u just need a politeknik certificate (2 years after SPM).
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maybe some of us not really clear about draftperson, cad operator, cad designer, assistant architect, junior architect.. hmm.gif
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QUOTE(shiinkuro31 @ Sep 10 2008, 01:53 AM)
maybe some of us not really clear about draftperson, cad operator, cad designer, assistant architect, junior architect.. hmm.gif
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hmmm... fair enough.

the easiest way to describe the architect's office is to break it down into smaller groups. group divisions are based on how close they are to the client.

the furthest group, the drafters (sijil autocad or draftmanship):
i. draftperson - those who draft drawings from the beginning to the submission.
ii. cad operator - those who draft drawings using cad. basically the same with draftperson.

the technical group (diploma or part 1 degree):
i. technicians, architect's assistants or junior architects - these are the backbone of the office. they're the intermediaries between the architect's sketch on a tissue paper and the final production drawings by the drafters. they are responsible to visualize, test, research and to basically do whatever the architect asks them to do. they are also responsible to check whatever the drafters did. they also responsible for submissions, running around to the local authorities, bomba, QS, planners at the lower levels.

the designers (part 2 degree):
i. the architects - these are the brains of the outfit. every design will be attributed to them. they are also the front line of the office, meeting up with clients, managing other consultants, managing budgets as well as conduct meetings. basically if the principles are not present, they have full authority in the office.

the ARs (part 3):
chartered architects or professional architects - they carry the title AR infront of their names. these are the walking behemoth of designers, and nobody sits on top of them. they usually have some share one way or another in the office, be it the principles, the partners or the associates.
i. principles - primary owner of the practice
ii. partners - have full authority over the practice, although not necessarily owns the practice
iii. associates - one notch below partners


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QUOTE(x_far_x @ Sep 8 2008, 11:27 PM)
Umm...a friend of mine is interested in landscape architecture.  Which university offers that program or is it just architecture in general?  Help please, thank you!

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Limkokwing has the program...but I wouldn't recommend because it's a very new course, they are having first batch students....only 2 if I'm not mistaken tongue.gif.


Added on September 20, 2008, 12:28 am
QUOTE(Benjamin911 @ Aug 29 2008, 10:35 PM)
Currently, the building analysis assignment is really giving me a very big headache...

I am analyzing the following site & building: (It is a very beautiful work of architecture in my opinion.)

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The big problem is, I cannot find enough information about this building & site on the internet.

I have to state the design theory of the architect, the design intention of the project, the design concept/idea which drives the project, and the design issue/determinant which was important to the design process.

In addition to the above, I would also have to analyze how the ideas and issue have been translated into the architectural forms and spaces of the project. 

I really like this building & site a lot, but it is very frustrating not to be able to obtain adequate information about it.

It would be good if someone in here can link me to resources containing detailed information about this building & site.

I would also have to produce diagrams & analytical sketches to show my analysis.

It would be great if there are diagrams of the building & site too. (Which I can work on.)

Hope you guys can help me out. I already have plenty of photos of the building and site to work on, but not enough information...

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This building by Tadao Ando looks familiar...saw it in my recent culture lecture...under Assemblage biggrin.gif

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UPM has a great landscape architecture course...
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currently doing some research of deconstructivism. Can Mr.Aza and other friends here give some clues of wad it is. probably a few simple factors of deconstructivism architecture will do...

thanks in advance...
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This building by Tadao Ando looks familiar...saw it in my recent culture lecture...under Assemblage biggrin.gif
It is so huge that it would not be appropriate to be called a building. wink.gif

It is a HUGE complex consisting of a geometry of interlocking, overlapping, intersecting, multi-directional, circular, and irregular spaces that altogether make up a whole. It contains a hotel, a chapel, a mist garden & reflection pool, a shell garden of a thousand fountains, an outdoor theater, an oval & circular forum, an observation terrace, an International Conference Center (This in itself is already as big, or even bigger than the entire Taylors itself), a large greenhouse of exotic plants, a beach of a million scallop shells, a garden of a hundred levels, and plazas that are animated through light & shadow, and sounds of running water. In addition to all of that, there are also restaurants and shopping centers within. The complex even have a proper port of its own.

All in all, this complex is impressive, interesting, & inspiring.

The One-Hundred Platform-Terraced Flower Garden of the complex:
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Is it necessary for an architect to excel in arts? Does maths or science matters to an architect? What makes an architect successful?
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QUOTE(tomatos @ Sep 23 2008, 03:50 PM)
Is it necessary for an architect to excel in arts? Does maths or science matters to an architect? What makes an architect successful?
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arts in general? no. but drawing, yes.

most people confuse about visual arts and drawings. yes, to produce visual arts, u have to draw. but drawing isnt necessarily an art skill. all architects need to be able to draw, but they dont need to draw as an art. get what i mean?

and they dont have to excel in it either. but having it as a skill is quite crucial as a means of communication. architecture is all about communication, be it in drawing, 3D modelling, verbal, writing etc. whatever an architect choose to use, he must excel in it. that's why u see some architect can talk their way using a blank piece of paper but cant draw shit, while others can draw beautiful designs but cant even begin to describe it verbally or in writing.

science and maths are not integral to an architect, but as a designer, a good architect must have a firm grasp in all aspects that relates to architecture, science, maths, geography, history, culture, sociology and so on.




what makes an architect successful? now, that is a very subjective question with a million ways to answer it. to put it simply, there is no single way to excel in architecture. worst part is, one architect's successful path might be not spell the same to the next. everybody is unique.
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Is RIBA regconised in Malaysia? I'm planning to go to Northumbria University in the Uk to study architecture. And it has RIBA. Some agency told me that it is not accredited in Northumbria University yet.
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QUOTE(azarimy @ Sep 24 2008, 03:10 AM)
arts in general? no. but drawing, yes.

most people confuse about visual arts and drawings. yes, to produce visual arts, u have to draw. but drawing isnt necessarily an art skill. all architects need to be able to draw, but they dont need to draw as an art. get what i mean?

and they dont have to excel in it either. but having it as a skill is quite crucial as a means of communication. architecture is all about communication, be it in drawing, 3D modelling, verbal, writing etc. whatever an architect choose to use, he must excel in it. that's why u see some architect can talk their way using a blank piece of paper but cant draw shit, while others can draw beautiful designs but cant even begin to describe it verbally or in writing.

science and maths are not integral to an architect, but as a designer, a good architect must have a firm grasp in all aspects that relates to architecture, science, maths, geography, history, culture, sociology and so on.
what makes an architect successful? now, that is a very subjective question with a million ways to answer it. to put it simply, there is no single way to excel in architecture. worst part is, one architect's successful path might be not spell the same to the next. everybody is unique.
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Communication is important because architect gives consultation and so on?

For years since primary school I have been taking maths and science. I have no knowledge of of architecture or designs even till now, in my current pre-university course.

Is the architecture field like the fashion industry where creativity plays an important role?

An architect designs a building. What about the structure of it? Like the beams,foundation and rigidness?
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QUOTE(yuanling @ Sep 24 2008, 06:08 AM)
Is RIBA regconised in Malaysia? I'm planning to go to Northumbria University in the Uk to study architecture. And it has RIBA. Some agency told me that it is not accredited in Northumbria University yet.
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RIBA is recognized in malaysia as the international industry standard for architectural practice. if u plan to study abroad, opting for those with RIBA accreditation secures ur future. u can also opt for RAIA for australian schools, which is also recognized by malaysia. i'm not sure about northumbria univ, though, but u can check at RIBA's website.

QUOTE(tomatos @ Sep 24 2008, 09:45 AM)
Communication is important because architect gives consultation and so on?

For years since primary school I have been taking maths and science. I have no knowledge of of architecture or designs even till now, in my current pre-university course.

Is the architecture field like the fashion industry where creativity plays an important role?

An architect designs a building. What about the structure of it? Like the beams,foundation and rigidness?
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communication is important bcoz that's the architect's main tool of the trade. architects design buildings. in the design process, they will encounter problems that need solving. so the architect needs to relay the solution in his head to the next person (the engineers, local authorities, building contractors, clients). so communication IS crucial to the trade. if he cant talk or draw, then the architect will be just an engine that doesnt have an outlet.

an architect is naturally creative. but creativity means nothing if he couldnt relay his creativity out of his brains. compared to other design industries, architecture is basically the most complex creative process - fashion industry doesnt even begin to compare. an architect designs every single aspect of the building. look around u. from the type of wallpaper or the colour of walls, to the joints in ur window jambs, the structures (column, beam, foundation, roof etc), to the social aspects of how people live in a building.

it's not just math and science. sociology plays quite a big role as well. it's not easy to design a house as what most people think. u have to figure out if the master bedroom is private enough from the rest of the house (for private business biggrin.gif), while being close to the rest of bedrooms (to take care of the young children). u have to figure out how the triangular relations in a kitchen works (between the sink, the fridge and the oven/stove) so that it doesnt intersect with the circulation and so on. u have to design the entrance of the house so that u can have a better view while maintaining good relations with ur neighbours, while keeping whatever in ur house private biggrin.gif. it's not just about building a building.

dont worry about having no knowledge in architecture before. nobody does. architecture is such a different education that the curriculum is tuned to train a person from scratch until finally equipped enough to gain industrial training. so we treat 1st year students as absolute zero, more often called the uninitiated. even i didnt have any knowledge about architecture when i joined in. i was a pure science student with no formal arts training. i dont even know any architects or what their actual work are. so dont worry about it.


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I need help for the "disjunction of architecture" by tschumi benard. Not really have a clear idea of wad it is. hope someone here can help...
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Some agency told me architecture is still not accredited in Northumbria University yet. But I am sure it provides RIBA as I've read through the prospectus of the University. Yet, should i feel safe to study in that Uni?
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northumbria university is only accredited for part 1. if u're only going for part 1, sure, u should feel safe enough. but u might wanna look for other places to do ur part 2. or maybe u should just opt for a fully accredited university that has parts 1, 2 and 3. those schools would have a really strong reputation to actually carry out all three parts compared to just one, dont u think?
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QUOTE(azarimy @ Sep 24 2008, 08:30 PM)
RIBA is recognized in malaysia as the international industry standard for architectural practice. if u plan to study abroad, opting for those with RIBA accreditation secures ur future. u can also opt for RAIA for australian schools, which is also recognized by malaysia. i'm not sure about northumbria univ, though, but u can check at RIBA's website.
communication is important bcoz that's the architect's main tool of the trade. architects design buildings. in the design process, they will encounter problems that need solving. so the architect needs to relay the solution in his head to the next person (the engineers, local authorities, building contractors, clients). so communication IS crucial to the trade. if he cant talk or draw, then the architect will be just an engine that doesnt have an outlet.

an architect is naturally creative. but creativity means nothing if he couldnt relay his creativity out of his brains. compared to other design industries, architecture is basically the most complex creative process - fashion industry doesnt even begin to compare. an architect designs every single aspect of the building. look around u. from the type of wallpaper or the colour of walls, to the joints in ur window jambs, the structures (column, beam, foundation, roof etc), to the social aspects of how people live in a building.

it's not just math and science. sociology plays quite a big role as well. it's not easy to design a house as what most people think. u have to figure out if the master bedroom is private enough from the rest of the house (for private business biggrin.gif), while being close to the rest of bedrooms (to take care of the young children). u have to figure out how the triangular relations in a kitchen works (between the sink, the fridge and the oven/stove) so that it doesnt intersect with the circulation and so on. u have to design the entrance of the house so that u can have a better view while maintaining good relations with ur neighbours, while keeping whatever in ur house private biggrin.gif. it's not just about building a building.

dont worry about having no knowledge in architecture before. nobody does. architecture is such a different education that the curriculum is tuned to train a person from scratch until finally equipped enough to gain industrial training. so we treat 1st year students as absolute zero, more often called the uninitiated. even i didnt have any knowledge about architecture when i joined in. i was a pure science student with no formal arts training. i dont even know any architects or what their actual work are. so dont worry about it.
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Alright thanks.

Now there is the finance issue. I've calculated the total fees for that 5 years would be +RM350k with the 2 years of part 2 in Australia. For now that is the only way to become an accreditted part 2 architect? I've discussed with my parents, they are alright but i know that is all their savings they got for me since they need to pay for my brothers education too. Would be taking up PTPTN loan for the local degree. Do i have to start paying back after my part 1 ends?

Besides Australia there's University of Hong Kong. It's alot cheaper due to the currency exchange. But what are the chances of being accepted into their MArch?
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my advise is, currency exchange rate is the least of ur problems when calculating ur budget. hongkong is one of the most expensive cities in the world. refer to this thread for more info. here's an excerpt:

1. Moscow
2. London
3. Seoul
4. Tokyo
5. Hong Kong
6. Copenhagen
7. Geneva
8. Osaka
9. Zurich
10. Oslo
11. Milan
12. St. Petersburg
13. Paris
14. Singapore
15. New York City
16. Dublin
17. Tel Aviv
18. Rome
19. Vienna
20. Beijing

there is no way on earth that hongkong is cheaper than australia. even the most expensive australian cities like melbourne and sidney didnt even come close.

look into the cities where u plan to study, not the country. for example, in the UK, london, birmingham and glasgow are few of the most expensive cities, but smaller cities like sheffield are cheaper than australia.



for PTPTN, u would have to pay when u start working or after 6 months of graduation. i'm not sure how it would be if u continue studying. u gotta check with PTPTN themselves.
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QUOTE(azarimy @ Sep 25 2008, 02:36 AM)
my advise is, currency exchange rate is the least of ur problems when calculating ur budget. hongkong is one of the most expensive cities in the world. refer to this thread for more info. here's an excerpt:

1. Moscow
2. London
3. Seoul
4. Tokyo
5. Hong Kong
6. Copenhagen
7. Geneva
8. Osaka
9. Zurich
10. Oslo
11. Milan
12. St. Petersburg
13. Paris
14. Singapore
15. New York City
16. Dublin
17. Tel Aviv
18. Rome
19. Vienna
20. Beijing

there is no way on earth that hongkong is cheaper than australia. even the most expensive australian cities like melbourne and sidney didnt even come close.

look into the cities where u plan to study, not the country. for example, in the UK, london, birmingham and glasgow are few of the most expensive cities, but smaller cities like sheffield are cheaper than australia.
for PTPTN, u would have to pay when u start working or after 6 months of graduation. i'm not sure how it would be if u continue studying. u gotta check with PTPTN themselves.
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Alright will take that into mind.

We have SPM to determine a high school leaver academic achievement. After BArch, what determines our achievement? Like after Part 1 BArch, I would apply MArch. With what qualifications do i apply? Are there any reasons to be rejected for admission?
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normally a graduate will be gauged by their CGPA achievements. other aspects like winning design competitions (especially international and prestigious ones) are also taken into consideration. architecture is not all about academics, so any involvements in co-curricular or extra-curricular activities are also taken into account. which is why most of my students are always encouraged to participate in extra activities that would set them apart from the others.

but remember, the architect is always gauged by their design flair. there are certain cases that a grade does not reflect ur design outcome. ur design might be A quality, but u did not submit on time (which usually accumulates to a maximum of C-) or some other reasons. so these kinda stuffs would be gauged also.

but it's safe to say that CGPA is the main achievement that u will be gauged upon. and remember, architecture is one of the most sought after courses in the world. rejection would most probably due to high competition for a very limited number of spaces.



finally, do note that only australian and new zealand schools offer masters for part 2. the common qualifications are:

Part 1 - BSc or BA in architecture (not BArch)
Part 2 - BArch or MArch (usually carry honors)

there's a difference, dont confuse urself. as far as i know, there's no BArch part 1. BArch is always part 2. what does the difference between BArch and MArch? technically, nothing. but those not familiar with the system would probably give higher salary to MArch holders. other than that, malaysian BArch part 2 is equivalent to aussie's MArch.

and owh, MArch would cost more, definitely biggrin.gif.

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