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Dear Readers,
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I'm writing this guide as universal as possible so that anybody who's interested in pursuing this field can get a definitive idea of what to do, where to go and how. I will update this as frequent as possible. There have been several inquiries on studying architecture, so I wish I could redirect them to this topic. Although I'm attached to UTM, my intention is purely altruistic and to provide information as neutral as possible.

This is the second version of the thread. The information is updated to cater for the 2008 intake coming soon.





The Architecture Profession: A Brief Introduction

1.0 What is an Architect?

Architecture is one of the oldest profession in the world. An architect is a designer of buildings. They don't actually construct them, because they have builders working for them. Architects are the leader in the construction industry, usually second only to the client or developer. They don't just design buildings, architects also take into consideration the clients needs and requirements and protects their rights.



2.0 Governing Bodies
The architecture profession in Malaysia is protected by law. The regulating and governing body of the architecture profession in Malaysia is known as Lembaga Akitek Negara (LAM). They govern the entire profession starting from the definition of an architect under the Malaysian Constitution, licensing, practice, acts and enactments as well as education.

The other body that concerns the well being of architects themselves is Pertubuhan Akitek Malaysia. It functions as an association that takes care of its members, organize functions and manages the professional development of an architect from the lowest to highest qualification.



3.0. Practicing Architecture

Just like Bar exams for lawyers, architects also require certain level of qualification that is a standard worldwide. The qualifications are known as PAM Part 1, 2 and 3. The equivalent of this is RIBA (Royal Institute of British Architects), AIA (American Institute of Architects) and RAIA (Royal Australian Institute of Architects).

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The diagram above shows the career path of an architect. After graduating with Part 2, a person is known as an architect, and will be able to practice according to the job specification of an architect. This should be the minimum target of anyone pursuing this profession. Anything less is a waste of time.

These qualifications can be obtained in two ways:
    i. Obtaining a fully accredited degree (or equivalent) that carries Part 1 or 2 equivalent.
    ii. Sitting for individual exams after obtaining a non-accredited degree for Part or 2.
Part 3 can only be obtained after practicing as an architect for a minimum of 2 years and fulfilling all the project requirements set by LAM. Fulfilling these needs, the architect will then submit themselves to a series of interviews and exams to determine that they are capable and absolutely qualified. These exams are conducted by PAM.

So how do one study to become an architect?



4.0. Common Paths to Studying Architecture

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BLUE - degrees that lead to LAM accredited Part 2 architecture.
GREEN - degrees that lead to LAM accredited Part 1 architecture.
YELLOW - degrees that in currently unaccredited by LAM, but is of Part 1 or 2 equivalent.
ORANGE - diplomas that are sub-Part 1.
GREY - pre-university certificates.
RED - LAM qualifications exams to be taken independently.


List of Abbreviations:

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The diagram above illustrates, as simple as possible, the route to become an architect after SPM. There are several ways to do so, and it is totally up to a person. The choices are quite open, where students can generally study fulltime in Malaysia, partly in Malaysia+overseas, or fully overseas.

Each of the choices above have its own advantage and disadvantages. This I will elaborate further in the future. Most important factors are time and money. So the next question would be: where can you study architecture?



4.1. Schools, Accreditation and Level of Qualification

LAM in collaboration with Lembaga Akreditasi Negara (LAN) frequently assesses schools (once every 5 years) in order to maintain the standard of education for architecture. New schools will need to be assessed fully before given accreditation. As I've mentioned before, to obtain Part 1 and 2 qualifications, the diploma or degree must be accredited by LAM and LAN.

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Schools not currently accredited usually have a partner or twinning programmes with other accredited universities. LUCT for example is partnering with Curtin University, which by the time a student graduates from Curtin, they will acquire a PAM part 2 equivalent qualification.

Important note: In architecture education, there are two bodies awarding recognition/accreditation: LAN/MQA and LAM. LAN/MQA is responsible in ensuring that the course offered complies to the standard of awarding an academic certificate (diploma, degree etc). Not having a LAN/MQA recognition simply means the school does not have high enough standard to award a single degree, let alone an architectural degree. LAM on the other hand monitors the quality of architecture education, ensuring that a degree produces qualified architect for practice. Not having LAM accreditation means the degree still has value, but not enough to become a legally licensed architects. However graduates still have the option to take LAM exams independently.


4.2. Accredited International Schools


Studying overseas is one of the recommended option to study architecture. It is advised that an architect to travel as much as they can, to understand other buildings, arts and cultures. I personally would recommend studying in Europe, as you can really benefit a lot from travel. Listed below are accredited schools by LAN & LAM, which upon graduation, you will be automatically awarded PAM part 2, an additional qualification apart from the given RIBA equivalent.

(Meaning if you graduated from these schools, you can work both overseas and in Malaysia.)

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4.3. Common Paths after Finishing Part 1


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The diagram above illustrates common paths that most architecture students with Part 1 took after finishing up their first degrees. Yellow choices indicate academic paths, and blue choices indicate work/practice paths. It is also common that students choose to work for a year or two before continuing for their Part 2. Having work experience tremendously boosts their chances to land a place in a university, not to mention the advantage of experience they have over other students who went straight from Part 1.



5.0. Planning Your Studies

5.1. SPM Subject Relevance

Due to so many questions about what subject(s) to take during SPM that would be considered relevant to architecture, I've tabled out all the SPM subjects (not including vocational subject category) and explained more or less on its relevancy to architecture education.

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    i. Subject - Subjects that have been categorized according to its similar contribution towards architecture education.
    ii. Category - Keywords of relevant knowledge or skills that is attributed to the subject in architecture education.
    iii. Description - A brief description on what the subject could contribute when studying architecture.
    iv. Relevance - The value of taking that particular subject in relation to learning architecture.
This table is not to be confused with the intake requirement for any university. This list compiles the relevance of the subjects according to the typical architecture curriculum. Meaning, not taking a "Very Relevant" subject does not put you at a disadvantage when applying for architecture compared to those taking it.

The other reason for this table is to demystify the common misconception that students need Math, AddMath, Physics and Arts in architecture, where in actual fact, those requirements are only needed when applying for the course. The purpose of this table is to provide general knowledge so anyone who just finished PMR could decide which subject they want to take for SPM in order to benefit the most during architecture education.



Updated :
(4 Jan) List of LAM Accredited International Schools
(4 Jan) Updated diagram 4.0 to include Taylor's and LUCT paths
(4 Jan) Inserted spoiler tags to keep everything tidy
(26 Jan) Inserted item 4.3: Common paths after finishing part 1
(2 Feb) Added section 5.0. Planning Your Studies
(2 Feb) Inserted diagram 5.1.
(23 Mar) Updated diagram 4.0.
(17 Dec) Updated the accreditation list
(30 Jan 08) Updated diagram 4.0 with new information and format
(30 Jan 08) Updated diagram 5.1. with new relevancy
(30 Jan 08) Inserted Architectural FAQs
(30 Jan 08) Started Version 2 of the discussions
(2 Feb 08) Updated diagram 4.0. to include Kolej Negeri, Kolej Shahputra, ITP YPJ and UCI
(2 Feb 08) Added abbreviation guide
(20 Oct 08) Added UPM into the list of LAM Part 1 Accredited Schools
(5 Apr 09) Updated diagram 4.0 with new information and format
(5 Apr 09) Added UPM and UIAM into the list of LAM Part 2 Accredited Schools
(5 Jan 10) Updated some details

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Architecture FAQs


1.0. Planning Towards Architecture as a Profession


1.1. Planning your route to architecture

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1.2. Where to study?

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1.3. Switching to architecture


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1.4. Financing your studies


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1.5. Accreditation, Recognition and Qualification Issues


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1.6. Applying to a school of architecture


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1.7. School specific questions

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2.0. Architecture Education


2.1. Studying architecture


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2.2. Subjects and topics offered


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2.3. Skills and abilities


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2.4. Computing in architecture education


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2.5. References on architecture education


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2.6. University life in Malaysia


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3.0. POST ARCHITECTURE EDUCATION


3.1. Prospects after studies


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3.2. About the profession and industry


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good questions. will be added into the FAQ later on. for the time being, let me answer them first.

QUOTE(Benjamin911 @ Feb 2 2008, 12:20 PM)
What will Architecture be like as a profession? (What will an Architect be doing?)


this has been outlined in item 3.0. in the 1st post. to detail out:

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ur question is actually quite huge. it would help if u could narrow it down. however, to sum up simply, a part 2 and a part 3 architect generally do the same thing, but part 3 architects have the authority to endorse, engage and disengage a project, client, suppliers at will. well part 2 can do that too, if they're the boss.

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An example scenario of an Architect on the job will be ideal. (What would you be doing in the office, and what would be your assignments, etc...as such.)

Thanks a lot in advance. (In addition, thanks a lot for the informations provided in this thread as well.)
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it's hard to find a description that best describe the profession as an architect. one office may practice it entirely different from the next. one office could run a tough, militaristic, iron claw management of the practice; while another is a very casual, google like environment with lots of flirting around and relaxing. one architect might be PC bound as primarily a designer; while another jumps from local authorities to government departments to client meetings to manage and negotiate the business; and another may prefer sticking around construction sites supervising the construction of their brainchild. i know my boss never bothered about the design, he just talk cock to the client and with uncanny ability he will convince them that this is a good design. i dunno how he did it, i just design the stuff. he sold it.

a good architect is one who could have a multitude of abilities, from coming up with good ideas; good negotiation skills with clients, suppliers, contractors and authorities; to having strong presence and leadership skills in managing other designers and workers in the office. ofcourse, being able to do everything may mean that the office will be your new home, and u only go back to ur house maybe once a week.

will add to this later.


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i'm not sure to what depth i should explain here. but i'll try to be brief yet detailed.

a design project always start with the brief. the brief details out the idea, the intention, objective, approach, style and specific requirements. during education of an architect, the student will be eased in from first year to final year with a multitude of briefs.

in the 1st year, the brief is small, straight forward and often very prescriptive. it means the project is usually no bigger than a small house, a clear objective of what u need to do, and a detailed checklist of stuff that needs to be in it.

towards final year, especially thesis, the brief gets more subjective, analogues and very open. and usually during thesis itself, there is no brief given at all. u, as the next architect, is incharge of coming up with a brief and finally a full scheme all on ur own. u find ur own client, ur own site, ur own project - everything.

so addressing ur question...

usually a client will come to an architect with 3 things:
i. what he wants (objective, intention, scheme etc)
ii. where he wants it (location, site)
iii. how much he's got (the budget)

with these three, very basic things, an architect will be able to compose a detailed brief. this brief will be discussed with the clients, where an architect will convince the client that this is the best deal he can get with the money he's got. this stage is one of the initial stage of design, and usually without drawings. perhaps 1 or 2 sketches, but very minimal, just to hook the client to step into the first stage of design: conceptualization.

in this stage, the client will be required to fork out some money for the conceptualization fees. at this point, a whole scheme will be produced in presentation drawings. regardless whether the client engages in the project or not, this is a paid service. this stage can take as quickly as 2 weeks or as long as 2 years. some clients are very, very cerewet with their money, but hey, it's what this business is all about - the very best bang for the buck. and yes, an architect should be able to come up with a full scheme for a hospital from scratch in two weeks.

remember that an architect has a huge database of architectural design in his head as a result of the training. he can assemble and compose a new design at will, just like a kid could assemble a bunch of legos.

after the client agrees with the proposal, then it starts into the production stage where the working drawings are produced. with this, the QS, civil engineers, interior designers, landscape architects and local authorities came in. engineers will need to approve that the design can be built. QS needs to approve that the cost of the building is within the client's budget. landscape architect does the landscape, and ID do the interiors.

after all is approved, the architect will instruct the beginning of the next stage. at this point, the client will have to pay the next round of fees. appointed contractors will start construction as soon as the budget's in. at this point the architect, engineers and all involved will continuously inspect the construction until it's done.

once done, the local authorities will inspect it one last time. when satisfied, they will issue a CF (certificate of fitness), and people can move in immediately. at this stage the client settles the final fees.

that's roughly how it goes. i only have about 2 years worth of industrial experience, and i do tend spend most of my time on conceptual/ideation stage rather than construction bcoz that's my specialty. i can cook up designs from scratch overnight. so my boss gave me the time and space needed for me to work, and let other people take care the other stuff.



u stressed on an issue of an architect coming up stuff from scratch. if u've read enough books, observed enough designs and so on during education, u will build a vast architectural vocabulary that is unique and accessible only to u. this is very important, just as language vocabulary is as crucial to a writer. u can only use the same words a certain amount of time. or else, the book will get very boring and repetitive fairly quickly wink.gif.
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QUOTE(Lon3LyJay @ Feb 3 2008, 10:26 AM)
wow... moved to version 2 already... congraz~

by the way, azarimy, the Architecture FAQs section 1.7 School specific questions, missing some questions haven't been answered yet? or 4gotten to replace the answer into it?
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it's not been answered yet coz i dont know the answer. i'm still trying to get hold with those school's management, and will update it later on. if any of u knew the answer confidently, just pop the answer here and i'll update the info wink.gif.
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i'm not too sure about designing C&C maps, but as far as i can see, C&C maps lack one very crucial thing in architecture: scale.

scale is very important in architecture, as it determines the relationship of one form or space to the other as well as its functionalities. when u talk about function and practicality of the maps, u're not talking about daily usage but about balancing gameplay. but ofcourse, it has its design elements as well, but it doesnt have the complexity of architecture. come to think of it, architecture is the most complex design of all in the first place.

what u have there is probably some good experience in the design process. design process is the process of exploration, testing, experimentation and purification and it goes round and round until u get the very best end product. if u think designing a C&C map is tough, wait till u had to juggle between budget, intention, site, engineering, function, form, outlook, environmental impacts and thousands other issues interlaced in architectural design. and these are real issues biggrin.gif.

during my masters, i did quite a number of virtual designs using VRML, C++ and a little bit of processing. we did a small counterstrike map, which was a little too realistic (bcoz all 7 of us were graduate architects and only 2 of us had any experience with CS). i would say maps for FPS carry more detail and depth compared to RTS maps.

scale is important in design, but alot of virtual stuff does not care about scale. but yeah, atleast u do got some experience in designing. that would count, although not directly.


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malaysia has a lot of green buildings than most people think. it's just that it never been made popular. owh who am i kidding? there's nothing popular about architecture in malaysia. ask people to name one famous architect in malaysia, i bet not many can do it biggrin.gif.

to put it simply, alot of resorts and hotels between 3 to 5 star hotels in malaysia are a variation of green architecture. as mentioned earlier, ken yeang's architectures are some of the best green architecture (or bio-climatic architecture as he calls it) in the world. mesiniaga (subang jaya) utilizes a passive system that minimizes energy usage to cool the building. menara UMNO (penang) uses the bernoulli principles to ventilate its interiors, making less use of airconditioning.

there are all sorts of green architecture. some goes for full sustainability, as what most called it as the penultimate pinnacle of green architecture; some goes for good climatic response (like most resorts in malaysia are); some go for low energy usage (which most hirise buildings post 1990 are equipped with) and so on.

malaysian just dont know it bcoz everytime they see a new building, they see politics. to them, the more glorious the building, the more money government spent on it, even if most of it actually are privately funded. ah, who am i kidding? tongue.gif
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QUOTE(destroyer @ Feb 7 2008, 02:19 PM)
nice topic azarimy. lot of quality information. i have already applied for SENIBINA as my first choice for ipta. Is senibina is what we called architecture in english? i apply for UTM. quite scared bout the first stage interview since i've not well in my drawing. can't even sketch. so, any tips from u guys on how 2 imagine?
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yes, senibina = architecture.

u can find a guide for the interviews here. the guide is based on UTM's interview format, so it's the best guide u can ever find for UTM architecture interview.
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QUOTE(destroyer @ Feb 7 2008, 02:38 PM)
yup. i've already read the info you write before. juz that my hand are like tangan kayu. i have no art talent. dunno how i score in my engineering drawing. i can imagine, but i can't draw. i've practice a lot. stil no improve. any method u guys?
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there are lots of subsets of arts that an architect can benefit from, and drawings are just one of them. a person who can draw can visualize their designs faster. one who is articulate could write or even talk their way to sell their designs. those who can act can convince others that their designs are good. those who can sculpt/model can provide convincing and realistic models of their designs.

if u're good in engineering drawings, no doubt u'll pawn others in technical drawings. it's hard to imagine one who can do technical drawings who cant design. remember, architecture does not rely so much in ur ability to draw as much as ur ability to design. if u cant draw, bring a bunch of lego sets and show off what u can do.
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in the UTM diploma vs UiTM degree, it practically boils down to where u wanna study. the duration of the course is almost exactly the same.

a. UTM diploma is 3 years after SPM. if u've managed to be in the top 10 of ur batch, u have a good chance of continuing straight to UTM part 2 degree for another 3 years, which means 6 years total. u also have a chance to apply to other schools, but most will require u to take 2 years of part 1 and 2 years of part 2, totalling to 7 years total.

b. UiTM part 1 degree is 4 years after SPM. UiTM degree does not require a pre-u course, bcoz it's already integrated in its 1st year. after finishing part 1 degree, u can continue ur part 2 degree anywhere in UiTM, UTM, UM or USM for another 2 years, totalling to 6 years.

so it's basically almost the same thing, although UiTM does have a significant advantage in available choices. now lets go into the schools itself.

UTM and UiTM are rival schools with almost equal facilities and expertise. probably the only difference is UTM has no race quotas, and the distribution is about 50-50 bumi-non bumi.

location wise, UTM degree school is in skudai. most may see this as a disadvantage, but they're just about an hours drive from singapore. UiTM on the other hand has 2 schools, one in shah alam and the other in sri iskandar (perak). shah alam is considerably close to KL, and the fun parts tend to rub off them fairly easily compared to sri iskandar.

there are other aspects we could compare as well, but the differences are quite subtle. like i said, it boils down to where u wanna be.
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QUOTE(destroyer @ Feb 8 2008, 11:54 AM)
i live in jb. only few minutes ride 2 UTM. which qualification promise better job oppoturnity when graduated? normally architectural company will choose UTM graduate or UiTM? Or is it just the same?

One more thing i curious 2 know. How do we apply for job oversea after we finish study? Coz a father of my friend got paid almost USD25K by working in Dubai. We have 2 look for them or they will look for us?
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there's no apparent preference by potential employers between the graduates of UTM, USM, UM and UiTM. these four schools have been certified with part 2, which is the most important thing most employers care about. other than that, some might prefer alumni from their alma mater. meaning if the office is predominantly USM graduates, they will usually prefer USM graduates as well. this is fairly evident in firms with predominantly UiTM students, but not so much in other firms. so to put it simply, the job opportunity is fairly the same.

but u should know that each school has their own specialty and niche area. USM are into management+business practice and housing, UTM is more technical, experimental and environmental and so on. so u should try and find out what u interests u when u start part 1 studies, and focus during part 2.



applying for overseas jobs is fairly simple. u can either:

i. find an agent in malaysia. they'll find the job for u.
ii. contact the firm directly or apply for the job through the internet.
iii. get somebody who have connection with the overseas firm to consider u.

never go to another country using a visitors visa to look and apply for a job, bcoz that's a misuse of visa. when the immigration finds out, u'll never get the work permit.
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QUOTE(destroyer @ Feb 8 2008, 02:10 PM)
tanx azarimy. actlly, bfore u explain about the oversea job, i knew nothing about it. you must be an architect am i right? btw, can u give me an example of firms that provide job for architect. does architect design the whole building or some part of it. i've went 2 ur website. very nice drawing u have. u must be talented in art. do u develop ur art skill while studying architecture or before studying?
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i. i'm a lecturer attached to UTM and not a full time architect. but i do some freelance works with a couple of firms like ALMA architect in JB and AKB in KL (PM saari of UM is attached there too). but currently i'm on study leave in sheffield, UK.

ii. there are a couple of firms that manages job vacancies internationally. u can just google them straight. no, i'm not gonna do that for u, bcoz it's BLOODY easy to find them. wink.gif

iii. the architect's job has been explained by clayclws as well as in the description in the 1st post.

iv. i've had a profound interest in arts since pre-school, but only seriously developed in in form 4. i did apply for art & design in UiTM which was my first choice, but was rejected bcoz i was over qualified (mainly bcoz i'm from pure science stream). long story short, i ended up in UTM, which i further developed my skills under tutorship from a fine art lecturer who taught design there. towards end of my architecture studies i joined up with a couple of friends from UiTM who started the Urban Comics magazine as a part time artist.

anyways, art skills are not directly taught in architecture, but it runs parallel to studying. meaning, u could spend time to develop art skills, ur friend might go in 3D modelling, others probably into photography and so on. so it's totally up to u when and how u wanna develop ur art skills.


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QUOTE(destroyer @ Feb 8 2008, 03:00 PM)
tanx. maybe can ask him more bout architecture since i apply for utm diploma.
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what do u wanna know about UTM diploma?

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QUOTE(destroyer @ Feb 8 2008, 05:18 PM)
ive just applied for utm diploma. but my father insists me to take UiTM degree now in dilemma. I just dun know which provide better study. In terms:

1. Facilities provided

2. cost<---how much i will spend if i take architecture until part2 degree in UTM and UiTM?

3. Which is better in teaching. UTM or UiTM?
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1. if we're talking about UTM diploma in KL, then i'd have to say UiTM's facilities are more complete. UTM KL currently about to undergo a massive upgrade, so if u join in now, u will be studying in a construction site. if u could wait a year or two, UTM KL would have one of the most advanced facilities compared to other universities.

2. people just dont ask about fees in IPTAs, bcoz it's feeble compared to IPTS. what is RM700 per semester compared to RM9000-RM15000 per semester?

3. there's no real gauge to differentiate this. not many people have studied in both universities in their life time. if u ask UiTM students, they're very proud of their school that if u ask them to compare with anything, they'd put their school first biggrin.gif.
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QUOTE(destroyer @ Feb 8 2008, 05:37 PM)
i'm interested in UTM skudai. the big one. does it have better facilities than UiTM KL? Do UTM skudai provide architecture studies? will they sent me to UTM branch instead of the HQ in skudai?

Edited: seems i have 2 studi in kl. i'll choose UiTM.
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if u're taking diploma, u'll go to UTM KL. UTM skudai is the degree and grad school of architecture (up to PhD). i havent been to UiTM shah alam for quite some time, i'm not sure about the facilities since 3 years ago. last i check UiTM and UTM has more or less the same facilities.
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QUOTE(destroyer @ Feb 9 2008, 08:06 AM)
huhu. i'm curious about the utm kl. do i have 2 move out after 1st year?
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move out of the college? i'm not sure, but looking at how small the accommodation and the entire campus is, it might be so. however, it's not that hard to find accommodations around the campus.

QUOTE(seeker archi @ Feb 9 2008, 08:39 AM)
azari,
which petter in architecture course um or utm ? and what is each sckool specialized in ? .
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ok here's the deal. i'm from UTM. i do believe that UTM is the best, but anyone can point out the biasness of that statement. and because of no real gauge or benchmark in ranking architecture schools exists in malaysia, i dont see the point of anyone comparing the 4 leading schools - UTM, UM, UiTM and USM. u can ask UTM students, and they'll say UTM is better. if u ask UM, UM will say they're better and so on. however, at the moment we do compare ourselves by architectural competitions. like i said, it's not a real gauge, but it gives u an idea.
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UTM diploma in KL takes about 30 students per batch, while UTM degree in skudai takes about 50 per batch.

rent rates in KL is comparable to JB to be honest. and the food costs almost the same too.

i. actually, before 2005 the diploma school is conducted in JB. but the recent expansion of the school caused the integrated school to be split into two schools - the diploma goes to KL, and degree stays in skudai. so u're just born a few years too late tongue.gif
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normally, how many people will be called for the interview? before they are selected? if i fail the interview, can i go for another course in ipta?


this has been discussed in point 1.6 in the architecture FAQs. refer to first page. however to further elaborate:

usually a school will call between 100 to 200 students for the interview, and they will sort out the top students that complies to the schools' criteria. meaning about 1 out of 4 of those interviewed will get in.

the interview process is part of the UPU selection process. meaning u may be called for an interview by 3 different schools if u applied for them in the UPU application form. if u've applied for other courses in the UPU list, u still have a fair chance to go to other course. but remember, only one course will be offered to u by UPU, according to ur order of preference in the list.

for example, u applied 5 courses:

i. architecture in UTM
ii. architecture in UM
iii. architecture in UiTM
iv. civil engineering in UPM
v. town planning in USM

architecture and town planning may conduct interviews, while civil does not. so u might be called to 3 or 4 interviews. after the interviews were done, each school will submit their decision to UPU. UPU will look into the results they have.

i. if UTM offers u a place, u will not get offers from others despite they called u for an interview and passed.
ii. if UTM rejects, they'll check 2nd choice = UM. if UM offers u a place, u will not get offers from others.
iii. this process goes on until all choices have been exhausted.
iv. if all choices have been exhausted, and u still not offered a place, UPU will check ur overall results. if u have above average results, UPU will opt to offer u a place to any courses that has an opening or availability.
v. this is usually outside ur choice, most of the time these are the unpopular choices. the reason for doing this is that UPU does not wanna waste potential students and just give any course available. u can take it if u want, and if u reject it doesnt matter much.


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QUOTE(seeker archi @ Feb 9 2008, 02:27 PM)
thanx alot dr azari.
I want to contact you if thats possible by email or any other mean .

and thank u again
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no problem. u can contact me via MSN messenger at azarimy@hotmail.com, which i'm occasionally online. or u could email me straight to azarimy@gmail.com


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QUOTE(destroyer @ Feb 9 2008, 02:47 PM)
guess what. i just search architect job using jobseeker. architect are in demand. haha. bright future. there's a job offering in mauritius 2.

Does it exceed rm10k for studying until part2 degree? hehe. since u work in utm i might be bugging u for sum teaching when i do my degree there. i want 2 ask ur own opinion. does u draw plan or etc everyday when u're working?

do UiTM provide accomodation till the end of my study?
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the fees will exceed RM10k for a 5 year study. include expenses, accommodation and study-related expenditures, studying in IPTA will easily reach RM20k. remember that architecture is one of the courses that requires a lot of money throughout studies, for computing, printing, photocopying, model-making, plotting, reproduction etc.

u're welcome to bug me in UTM, regardless if u study in UTM or not, as long as u're studying architecture.

i'm not sure if UiTM provides full accommodation, but according to some of my friends, most of them prefers to stay outside around shah alam. more flexibility, independent living and ability to cook their own food (which seriously is cheaper than the cheapest hawkers). but this does not mean they were forced to stay outside. i believe each IPTA in malaysia can provide full accommodations to atleast 60% of its student population. priority is definitely given to those who're active in co-curricular activities. but i can say for sure that UTM skudai are currently housing 100% of its students in campus, including postgraduate families. and they even provide housing for staff bujang. yes, UTM skudai has one of the largest campus in malaysia, second only to UPM.

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