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 Turtles, Terrapins and Tortoises V3, Shell reptiles please enter here...

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post Jan 27 2008, 03:31 PM, updated 18y ago

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WELCOME To The TTT Club!! Enjoy your stay here!!

A present for all of you for succesfully launch of TTT V3.

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TTT Quick Guide 01 - Habitat Setup:
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TTT Quick Guide 02 - Lighting & Basking:
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TTT Quick Guide 03 - Food Source (Vege):
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TTT Quick Guide 04 - Teaching them to eat (Pellets -> Vege):
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TTT Quick Guide 05 - Determining the age :
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TTT Quick Guide 06 - Determining the gender :
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TTT Quick Guide 07 - Carapace problems counter measure:
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TTT Quick Guide 08 - Straight Carapace Length (SCL) How to measure:
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post Jan 27 2008, 03:39 PM

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Usefull Link :-

TTT V1

TTT V2


http://www.chelydra.org
http://www.chelonia.org
http://turtlepimp.com/
http://www.turtletimes.com
http://www.turtlesales.com/
http://www.turtleforum.com/
http://www.turtlepuddle.org/
http://www.austinsturtlepage.com/
http://www.empireoftheturtle.com/

Caresheet :-

Star Tortoise:
http://www.chelonia.org/articles/Geleganscare.htm
http://www.tortoisetrust.org/care/celegans.html
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Asian Leaf Turtle:
http://www.chelonia.org/Articles/Cyclmeyscare.htm
www.petco.com/caresheets/turtles/Turtle_AsianLeaf.pdf
www.asianturtle.org/htm/species_Cyclemys_dentata.html
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Red Eared Slider (RES):
http://www.brentozar.com/turtles/Frequentl...edQuestions.php (FAQ)
http://www.anapsid.org/reslider.html
http://www.tortoise.org/archives/elegans.html
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/FWSubWebIndex/redearsliders.htm
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Painted Turtle Caresheet:
http://www.smm.org/warnernaturecenter/prog...nted_turtle.php (FAQ)
http://www.tortoise.org/archives/chrysemy.html
http://www.fcps.k12.va.us/StratfordLanding...nted_turtle.htm (Plenty of pics-Eastern Painted)
http://home.insightbb.com/~deenak/turtle.htm
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Map Turtle Caresheet:
http://www.unc.edu/~dtkirkpa/stuff/maps.html (Lots of reading)
http://www.austinsturtlepage.com/Care/miss...p-caresheet.htm
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Box Turtle Caresheet:
http://plato.phy.ohiou.edu/~mash/herp/boxturtlefaq.html (FAQ)
http://www.pogospals.com/pogospals/Box_Tur...ealth_Pg_1.html
http://www.pogospals.com/pogospals/Box_Tur...ealth_Pg_2.html
http://www.turtlepuddle.org/cuora/caresheet.html (Asian Box Turtle)
http://www.chelonia.org/Articles/Camboinensiscare.htm (Malayan Box Turtle)
http://www.chelonia.org/Articles/Terrapenecare.htm (North American Box Turtles (Terrapene)
http://www.chelonia.org/Articles/TerrapenecareSZ.htm (Info and Pics)
http://www.boxturtlesite.org/ (Box turtle information page)
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Snapper Caresheet:
http://www.fcps.k12.va.us/StratfordLanding...ping_turtle.htm (mostly pics)
http://www.tortoise.org/archives/macrocl.html (The Alligator Snapping Turtle)
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Spiny Softshell Turtle:
http://www.smm.org/warnernaturecenter/prog...hell_turtle.php (FAQ)
http://www.tortoise.org/archives/apalone.html
http://www.chelonia.org/Articles/softshellcare.htm
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Stinkpot turtle:
http://gctts.org/WS/WS.php/Public/StinkpotTurtle
http://www.herpnet.net/Iowa-Herpetology/re...s/stinkpot.html
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Sideneck turtle:
http://www.chelonia.org/acanthochelys_gallery.htm (Pics of different sidenecks)
http://www.austinsturtlepage.com/Care/cs-y...eadedamazon.htm (Yellow headed sideneck)
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Longneck turtle:
http://www.chelonia.org/Articles/easternlongneck.htm (Eastern longneck)
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Musk Turtle:
http://www.chelonia.org/Articles/sternotheruscare.htm
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Geochelone Sulcata:
http://sulcata-station.org/
http://www.anapsid.org/sulcata.html
http://www.chelonia.org/articles/sulcatacare.htm
http://africantortoise.com/


Something usefull :-

Metabolic Bone Desease (MBD)
http://exoticpets.about.com/cs/reptilesgen...metabolicbd.htm

Light and Heat
http://exoticpets.about.com/cs/reptiles/a/reptlightheat.htm

UV
http://dermatology.about.com/od/glossaryu/g/uvb.htm




# Credit to uzairi,infinitevoid & titansulcata

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Turtle & Tortoise Anatomy
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TTT Jargon

WC - Wild Caught
CB - Captive Bred
CH - Captive Hatched
LTC - Long Term Captive
SCL - Straight Carapace Length
RNS - Runny Nose Syndrome
MBD - Metabolic Bone Desease

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post Jan 27 2008, 03:40 PM

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Head count (sorted by V1 post counts):-

1. uzairi
2. crazymouse_yyh
3. dai86
4. ntlc87
5. hwa107
6. titansulcata
7. funkychips
8. meiteoh
9. UPM_Parasite
10. sayasebuk

11. aliftaufiq
12. Drascox
13. prophet007
14. ekiddie
15. long3016
16. kamekame8888
17. hammyhuggies
18. Balthasar
19. jasp3r
20. ken2fast
21. eyerule
22. Austin
23. c0c0nut
24. InfiniteVoid
25. suppaman
26. rickyfan8888
27. Jysw1986
28. bodyrules
29. aimeh
30. hao
31. tsg
32. fantagero
33. X-Free!
34. EuJax
35. tom_k3nt
36. cjtune
37. cReepx
38. SoFastSoFurious
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40.

History Maker :-

1. Drascox - V1
2. uzairi - V2

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post Jan 27 2008, 03:41 PM

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V3 is here!!!! icon_idea.gif rclxm9.gif
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post Jan 27 2008, 04:41 PM

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Wah. Cepatnya. Congrats!
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post Jan 27 2008, 04:53 PM

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My Star Tortoise reporting in!


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QUOTE(White Palace @ Jan 27 2008, 05:29 PM)
My Star Tortoise reporting in!
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how big is ur star?
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post Jan 27 2008, 06:38 PM

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Wah Wah the radiated so pretty.

White palace, what's that ur Stars are eating?
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post Jan 27 2008, 07:01 PM

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nice shots of ur radiated, dzi921... u bot de bigger or de smaller one? coz' u haf 1 d so can't compare and to know which haf u bot... hehe...

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QUOTE(ekiddie @ Jan 27 2008, 07:01 PM)
nice shots of ur radiated, dzi921... u bot de bigger or de smaller one? coz' u haf 1 d so can't compare and to know which haf u bot... hehe...

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I bought the smaller one. The bigger radiata's shell a bit out of shape (but no pyramid)

Before I bought mine, I went to Natural Aquatic today. They have 2 around the same size and price. Unfortunately, the pyramid sign is quite obvious


Added on January 27, 2008, 7:29 pmStatus: It is still very scared. When I hold her up. I can hear it's loud breathing sound. It hasn't move a bit in her aquarium

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how much does it cost?
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QUOTE(NewbieBetta @ Jan 27 2008, 08:35 PM)
how much does it cost?
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RM1500
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QUOTE(dzi921 @ Jan 27 2008, 09:30 PM)
RM1500
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post Jan 27 2008, 10:29 PM

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but tat's de price lor... neway, u din bargain wif petsmore as tat was it's list price too...

maybe she's still unfamiliar wif de new environment... did she eat?

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QUOTE(ekiddie @ Jan 27 2008, 10:29 PM)
but tat's de price lor... neway, u din bargain wif petsmore as tat was it's list price too...

maybe she's still unfamiliar wif de new environment... did she eat?

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I ask for discount, but they don't want to give. They said, this species is hard to find.

No. It didn't move nor eat. Starting to worry liao. Anyway, will see how it goes tomorrow
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new v3 yay..
hmm..every year tortoise grow about how many cm in diameter?
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sheit...i miss the opening ceremony cry.gif cry.gif
congrats to alll !!!!!!!!!!!! thumbup.gif thumbup.gif
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post Jan 28 2008, 02:00 AM

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QUOTE(dzi921 @ Jan 27 2008, 05:05 PM)
Just bought my Radiated Tortoise from Pets More Kepong (Carrefour)
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More photos here:
Radiated Tortoise
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nice radiated man! thumbup.gif

QUOTE(White Palace @ Jan 27 2008, 05:29 PM)
My Star Tortoise reporting in!
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Welcome to the family, do remember to chop the food before giving them since they are very small. 50 cent size from the picture. smile.gif

QUOTE(StraxorX @ Jan 27 2008, 10:47 PM)
new v3 yay..
hmm..every year tortoise grow about how many cm in diameter?
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Depends on species. smile.gif What do you have in your collection ?

QUOTE(inexsis @ Jan 28 2008, 12:00 AM)
sheit...i miss the opening ceremony  cry.gif  cry.gif
congrats to alll !!!!!!!!!!!! thumbup.gif  thumbup.gif
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yes, you missed the opening ceremony. We are also waiting for your st. brows.gif
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Finally decided my radiata's name

Name: SAM

So if it's a
boy = SAMuel
girl = SAMmy


Added on January 28, 2008, 11:05 amSAM is super shy sad.gif Haven move a cm since yesterday

It is awake but just refused to move since it moved into the new aquarium


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i think he/she not comfort yet with the new enviroment. give him/her some time... haha.....
nice tort....
oh ya... dai86 reporting to ttt v3. haha...
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QUOTE(dzi921 @ Jan 28 2008, 11:04 AM)
Finally decided my radiata's name

Name: SAM

So if it's a
boy = SAMuel
girl = SAMmy


Added on January 28, 2008, 11:05 amSAM is super shy sad.gif Haven move a cm since yesterday

It is awake but just refused to move since it moved into the new aquarium
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HAHAHAH! That name reminds me to one of my friend.. laugh.gif

QUOTE(dai86 @ Jan 28 2008, 11:16 AM)
i think he/she not comfort yet with the new enviroment. give him/her some time... haha.....
nice tort....
oh ya... dai86 reporting to ttt v3. haha...
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brows.gif How's life bro ?
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sayasebuk reporting in

meet my first turtles for 2008. bought them last thursday

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QUOTE(dzi921 @ Jan 28 2008, 12:04 PM)
Finally decided my radiata's name

Name: SAM

So if it's a
boy = SAMuel
girl = SAMmy


Added on January 28, 2008, 11:05 amSAM is super shy sad.gif Haven move a cm since yesterday

It is awake but just refused to move since it moved into the new aquarium
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SAM A different SAM from above reporting in LOL
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post Jan 28 2008, 08:44 PM

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QUOTE(sayasebuk @ Jan 28 2008, 07:32 PM)
sayasebuk reporting in

meet my first turtles for 2008. bought them last thursday

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Boxie craze eh ? brows.gif

QUOTE(SAMPERTH @ Jan 28 2008, 07:54 PM)
SAM A different SAM from above reporting in LOL
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Welcome to TTT V3 Sam! notworthy.gif
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my contribution to version 3. too bad cannot post all pics in 1 single post wink.gif

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eh sham...since whe n u turn to FEMALE d???lol..
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the one u usually met is my proxy.. of course i wouldn't waste my precious time just to meet some shrimp-size you-know-what like you. hands.gif

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QUOTE(dzi921 @ Jan 28 2008, 10:09 PM)
Finally Sam is eating smile.gif
i'm gonna have some good laugh here... doh.gif sorry sam

of all the names in the world, you opted to call him that...
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QUOTE(camillenoir @ Jan 28 2008, 10:25 PM)
i'm gonna have some good laugh here...  doh.gif sorry sam

of all the names in the world, you opted to call him that...
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Sorry ya. Really so happened

I put a list of names, then did a random pick and ended up with Sam

PS, I didn't know that Sam (the person) is a tortoise lover here too notworthy.gif
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dzi... i guess ur torts is lonely and miss his/her partner in carrefour... from wat i see... he's OK and no health problem... so worry not...

let time cures... maybe he/she is still not used to de new environment yet...

neway, camillenoir... what turtle is the most last bottom right pic u posted... very nice... a snakeneck family? which species is tat??

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QUOTE(camillenoir @ Jan 28 2008, 09:44 PM)


nice contribution camillenoir!! finally get to see almost all of the species that you have..(but im pretty sure thats not even 50% of the type of species that you have, and not even 20% of the total number that you have LOL)
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guys... wanna ask sumthin...
is there any way to bring turtle go on flight?
I was thinking to bring back my Red Eared to my hometown cuz i got no time to take care of them... if can bring back home I can ask my dad to take of them cuz he likes turtle....
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tortoise from wildlife park at sunway lagoon.....

1. Sulcata

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2. Atas Sulcata(not sure...looks like emys emys pon ade), below elongata

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3. 22 year old sulcata....weight = 40kg

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all species type name credit to uzairi....he comformkan accept pic 2 laugh.gif

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QUOTE(inexsis @ Jan 28 2008, 11:44 PM)
tortoise from wildlife park at sunway lagoon.....

1. waiting for uzairi conformation

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2. waiting for uzairi conformation

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3. 22 year old sulcata....weight = 40kg

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Sulcata

Upper - looks like Emys Emys but not clear enough
Lower - Elongated

Sulcata

Sulcata
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post Jan 29 2008, 12:25 AM

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Just got my Alligator Snapping Turtle today! It was a hard decision actually cuz the smaller one was much more interesting but with a broken tail. I made sure the big one was eating and healthy before i finally chose it.

It has moved into its tank and has already started eating (although it doesn't seem too bright. It's frequently trying to lure fishes at the wrong side. like fishes on right side it open mouth lure on left side).

Also has a peculiar habit. The small one, when you touch its head it will open its mouth in defense. The big one that I bought, when you touch its head it will make its butt stand higher than its head (like made its legs straight up). An odd lil snapper. But very cute. Hehe...




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Yeah, they have different personalities and they make great pets for me. Just remember not to poke inside their mouth. LOL
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how much usually alligator snapper cost ? small one....
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QUOTE(ekiddie @ Jan 28 2008, 10:49 PM)
neway, camillenoir... what turtle is the most last bottom right pic u posted... very nice... a snakeneck family? which species is tat??
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that's a Parker's Snake-necked.

QUOTE(Jamien @ Jan 29 2008, 12:25 AM)
Also has a peculiar habit. The small one, when you touch its head it will open its mouth in defense. The big one that I bought, when you touch its head it will make its butt stand higher than its head (like made its legs straight up). An odd lil snapper. But very cute. Hehe...
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Both mouth wide open and butts-up are normal defense mechanism in alligator snappers.

Be careful when the snapper do the 'butts-up', because it can jump, turn and snap quite fast from that pose.


Added on January 29, 2008, 6:35 am
QUOTE(sayasebuk @ Jan 28 2008, 10:57 PM)
nice contribution camillenoir!! finally get to see almost all of the species that you have..(but im pretty sure thats not even 50% of the type of species that you have, and not even 20% of the total number that you have LOL)
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still got a few suprises tongue.gif .. maybe i'll reveal later on. bro, you game for this saturday?

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Is it OK for me to feed my Radiata french beans as it's main meal everyday?


Added on January 29, 2008, 8:29 amHow often should I feed it? Once a day or twice a day?

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nice ally jamien... hehe... it's nice to see ally opens it mouth big big to lure fishes into it's fake worm... hahaaa! very stylish O...

btw, u pet them in a plastic or glass tank?

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QUOTE(camillenoir @ Jan 29 2008, 06:33 AM)
Both mouth wide open and butts-up are normal defense mechanism in alligator snappers.

Be careful when the snapper do the 'butts-up', because it can jump, turn and snap quite fast from that pose.

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Wah. I didn't know butt up means that. It didn't even open its mouth, so I thought its "opening" the wrong end.

I put it in a large glass tank. It has lots of space to swim unlike the little plastic tank I saw them in when I bought. Its more interested in hiding under the driftwood though.

The tank is put outside, currently it's bare bottomed with only 1 driftwood and several little fishes. Anything else I need? When it grows up a little more, I'm planning to shift it to a slightly larger tank with filter.

I think the small Alligator Snapping Turtle is still available although the aunty mentioned that someone spoke of his interest to purchase the little fella. No deposit has been placed on the small one yet so it is still available. You can ask for RM 330, I think the aunty will sell lar.

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QUOTE(Jamien @ Jan 29 2008, 12:21 PM)
Wah. I didn't know butt up means that. It didn't even open its mouth, so I thought its "opening" the wrong end.

I put it in a large glass tank. It has lots of space to swim unlike the little plastic tank I saw them in when I bought. Its more interested in hiding under the  driftwood though.

The tank is put outside, currently it's bare bottomed with only 1 driftwood and several little fishes. Anything else I need? When it grows up a little more, I'm planning to shift it to a slightly larger tank with filter.

I think the small Alligator Snapping Turtle is still available although the aunty mentioned that someone spoke of his interest to purchase the little fella. No deposit has been placed on the small one yet so it is still available. You can ask for RM 330, I think the aunty will sell lar.
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That someone could be me. Cause that day I showed interest, but didn't promise anything
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^^" Ic. So you're actually interested or not? She was trying to sell it off. I have to admit it's rare since ally is hard to find and definitely not in that size.
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QUOTE(Jamien @ Jan 29 2008, 12:47 PM)
^^" Ic. So you're actually interested or not? She was trying to sell it off. I have to admit it's rare since ally is hard to find and definitely not in that size.
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Wow, so you'd better not. I have to say, allies grow quite large. About 26" when full grown. I'm going to have to build a pond just for it when I have my own house. Counting the spaces, just about all the space in the house will get taken by my pets. I was tempted to take the small one too but I can't afford the space it needs when it grows up.
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diamondback terrapin....under uzairi care....
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QUOTE(Jamien @ Jan 29 2008, 12:21 PM)
Wah. I didn't know butt up means that. It didn't even open its mouth, so I thought its "opening" the wrong end.

I put it in a large glass tank. It has lots of space to swim unlike the little plastic tank I saw them in when I bought. Its more interested in hiding under the  driftwood though.

The tank is put outside, currently it's bare bottomed with only 1 driftwood and several little fishes. Anything else I need? When it grows up a little more, I'm planning to shift it to a slightly larger tank with filter.

I think the small Alligator Snapping Turtle is still available although the aunty mentioned that someone spoke of his interest to purchase the little fella. No deposit has been placed on the small one yet so it is still available. You can ask for RM 330, I think the aunty will sell lar.
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herm still available? im looking for an ally snapper but rm350 is maximum market value....
when you say broken tail do you mean, tail biten off or the tail crooked?

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@lessilly : ur diamondback terrapin looks nice!!! feel like gettin one.. but since I can't commit to keep them now I'll just have to view ur picts only... hehe

anyway... since no one can answer me.. T.T
I've been thinking that... If I gave up on my terrapin.. is there any of u wan to sheltered them? It's kinda hard to let them go.. but I dun have enough space for them as they grown bigger now... ><
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haha...life is a bit buzy here but i will try my best to come back here. haha.... my tortie is healthy and naughty as always also. but currently no much time for him. see him so lonely. thinking to get him a partner also. haha.....

diamond back.... my god... so nice turtle. haha... but i like tortoise more. haha.....
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wha..so quick..jus been off for 3 days already v3.congratz on v3!!! rclxm9.gif rclxm9.gif rclxm9.gif

dzi921: nice radiated there..congratz!!!finally u got.

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QUOTE(sayasebuk @ Jan 29 2008, 02:34 PM)
herm still available? im looking for an ally snapper but rm350 is maximum market value....
when you say broken tail do you mean, tail biten off or the tail crooked?

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It is kinda pricey but I've been looking for quite some while. They just don't come in that size anymore (My ally is compared to a 50 cents at my picture above) and ally is just plain hard to find. Many people just try to pass off common as ally.

In fact, I went to Creepy Creatures at USJ Summit when I heard they have ally. The fella told me I have to be ready to offer RM 800 at the very least to get an ally! He kept telling me it's impossible to get an ally which is less than 5-6" in size (just the shell). So I was very excited when dzi921 mentioned ally selling, and small ones at that. Compared to the bombastic prices that I keep hearing in my ears (RM380 - RM800) I was thrilled. Plus I've been wanting it for a couple of years.

I think the one in the shop is still for sale. You can get it at RM 330 la. That's the price I got. Its got a very hearty appetite and is a true snapper with a super cool looking pose when it opens its mouth. I personally made sure it ate and was healthy (except the tail).

About the tail, when I first saw it, it looked like 2 white spots on the tail. When I went again on Monday, there's only 1 white spot left but... I really think it's broken. It probably got snapped by my snapper or something. It's oddly crooked and has a funny angle. It doesn't look flexible like the rest of the tail. The part of the tail broken is the bottom quarter (I think).

The tiny plastic tank they're kept in has hardly enough space for it to turn so its tail can't be spread full length. I think it made the condition worse. When it does that, you can see the bottom quarter of the tail bending almost 75 degrees, and I'm not talking about the elegant S shape or C shape that tails get when they're bent. I mean like the hands of a clock at 4 o'clock or similar.

I was really more interested in the small one but the ridges on the big one's shell was better looking and the small one's broken tail really helped me make a decision. If you don't mind the tail, it'll be great.

If you really decided to get it, maybe point out the broken tail and ask for a lower price?

^^ If you've decided to get it anyway, then I hope you're ready for the commitment and that you enjoy having it. I'm glad I bought mine.

@mamba : ^^ Thanks. I did mention that my snapper is odd? It just makes the butt up signal, it's hard to catch him in action out of tank with open mouth. The fella scared i'll eat his tongue or something. If can I'll try to get the shot la.

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hello all there....very love to join this forum...i have been here about 2-3weeks ago n i finished my timeto read the ttt v2.so that i know the member of this forum a little bit..n i really love to read this forum.hehehehe..

FYI, i have just stated this hobby(collecting ttt) around 1years ago.i am intersted in ttt since i was a boy.but only 1 years ago i started to collect them.hehehe.emm i am a student,so my budget is not that big.so i collect them slowly.but now i have about 11 spp of them..still not enough for me.huhuhu.

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QUOTE(camillenoir @ Jan 28 2008, 09:44 PM)
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SHOWOFF!!! LOL brows.gif notworthy.gif

QUOTE(camillenoir @ Jan 28 2008, 10:25 PM)
i'm gonna have some good laugh here...  doh.gif sorry sam

of all the names in the world, you opted to call him that...
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laugh.gif LOL, 2nd that.

QUOTE(muchan86 @ Jan 28 2008, 10:57 PM)
guys... wanna ask sumthin...
is there any way to bring turtle go on flight?
I was thinking to bring back my Red Eared to my hometown cuz i got no time to take care of them... if can bring back home I can ask my dad to take of them cuz he likes turtle....
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Im not sure about the procedure but it would be a troublesome process. Btw, how big is the turtle ? hmm.gif

QUOTE(dzi921 @ Jan 29 2008, 08:29 AM)
Is it OK for me to feed my Radiata french beans as it's main meal everyday?


Added on January 29, 2008, 8:29 amHow often should I feed it? Once a day or twice a day?
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Nope, not recommended. Variety is the way to go, try to alternate the food given to it such as Sawi, Lady Fingers, long beans (once in a while) and carrots.

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why not under your care ah? they are your's right?
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You know la leslie, a lazy fatso. doh.gif

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hello all there....very love to join this forum...i have been here about 2-3weeks ago n i finished my timeto read the ttt v2.so that i know the member of this forum a little bit..n i really love to read this forum.hehehehe..

FYI, i have just stated this hobby(collecting ttt) around 1years ago.i am intersted in ttt since i was a boy.but only 1 years ago i started to collect them.hehehe.emm i am a student,so my budget is not that big.so i collect them slowly.but now i have about 11 spp of them..still not enough for me.huhuhu.

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QUOTE(kaseinogen @ Jan 29 2008, 06:07 PM)
hello all there....very love to join this forum...i have been here about 2-3weeks ago n i finished my timeto read the ttt v2.so that i know the member of this forum a little bit..n i really love to read this forum.hehehehe..

FYI, i have just stated this hobby(collecting ttt) around 1years ago.i am intersted in ttt since i was a boy.but only 1 years ago i started to collect them.hehehe.emm i am a student,so my budget is not that big.so i collect them slowly.but now i have about 11 spp of them..still not enough for me.huhuhu.

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not that big also la... xD
a pair of male red eared terrapin... both of them are 1year++ now and both are 9 cm long....

I really wish to keep them... but since they kinda grown up now and I have no time to take care of them recently... also scare later when they grow bigger I can't provide them biggest space.. T.T

is there anyone willing to shelter them? if not then just help me to take care of them while I'm goin back for CNY.. my housmate scare of them @.@
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QUOTE(muchan86 @ Jan 29 2008, 07:03 PM)
not that big also la... xD
a pair of male red eared terrapin... both of them are 1year++ now and both are 9 cm long....

I really wish to keep them... but since they kinda grown up now and I have no time to take care of them recently... also scare later when they grow bigger I can't provide them biggest space.. T.T

is there anyone willing to shelter them? if not then just help me to take care of them while I'm goin back for CNY.. my housmate scare of them @.@
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jamien, as for tat ally... i've taken it out before... the whole tail can be bent over... i mean making the whole shell round and not seeing the tail if u look it down from the top... it's still a good tail... just tat there's a few white spots there like wat jamien said... previous saw 2... now 1... guess another one really had fall off...

but worry not... they will heal as they grow...

jamien... u see de ridges on the bigger ones are nicer as de bigger it grows... de nicer de ridges... try asking uzairi to show u his predator... or izzit hunter... damn nice ridges... hehe...

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QUOTE(sayasebuk @ Jan 29 2008, 02:34 PM)
why not under your care ah? they are your's right?
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very fortunate those are with uzairi, otherwise don't know what happened to them already.

no animals stay with leslie more than a month, no matter what he says all get sold off. lazy fatso LOL!

QUOTE(mamba @ Jan 29 2008, 06:48 PM)
welcome and show us urs!!!  rclxms.gif
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QUOTE(ekiddie @ Jan 29 2008, 09:50 PM)
jamien, as for tat ally... i've taken it out before... the whole tail can be bent over... i mean making the whole shell round and not seeing the tail if u look it down from the top... it's still a good tail... just tat there's a few white spots there like wat jamien said... previous saw 2... now 1... guess another one really had fall off...

but worry not... they will heal as they grow...

jamien... u see de ridges on the bigger ones are nicer as de bigger it grows... de nicer de ridges... try asking uzairi to show u his predator... or izzit hunter... damn nice ridges... hehe...

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QUOTE(camillenoir @ Jan 29 2008, 11:35 PM)
very fortunate those are with uzairi, otherwise don't know what happened to them already.

no animals stay with leslie more than a month, no matter what he says all get sold off. lazy fatso LOL!
aiyah... this guy always ask people to show their things in a very 'happy' tone. (you know what i mean by 'happy' LMAO)
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LOL, you are damn true about that! You can see leslie getting lazier and getting more meat on his stomach!

And about mamba, only when you point it out i can sense something unusual in his way of asking us to show him ours! sweat.gif Scary and wicked i can say! sweat.gif
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QUOTE(kaseinogen @ Jan 29 2008, 06:07 PM)
hello all there....very love to join this forum...i have been here about 2-3weeks ago n i finished my timeto read the ttt v2.so that i know the member of this forum a little bit..n i really love to read this forum.hehehehe..

FYI, i have just stated this hobby(collecting ttt) around 1years ago.i am intersted in ttt since i was a boy.but only 1 years ago i started to collect them.hehehe.emm i am a student,so my budget is not that big.so i collect them slowly.but now i have about 11 spp of them..still not enough for me.huhuhu.

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11 spp in a year.... student some more?? that's quite an achievement. please share
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KUALA LUMPUR: The Indian star tortoise is an endangered species but it can be brought into Malaysia without a permit because there are no laws to prevent this.

However, that will change in March when the animal is listed as a protected species in the country and the International Trade in Endangered Species Act 2007 (Flora and Fauna) is enforced.

"The new law makes our work easier," said Natural Resources and Environment Ministry parliamentary secretary Datuk Sazmi Miah at the Second Asean Wildlife Enforcement Network Workshop on Task Force and Working Groups Development here yesterday.

The penalties under the law would be tough, with a jail term of up to five years or a fine of up to RM100,000.

The Indian star tortoise is listed under Appendix II of the Convention on International Trade in Endangered Species (CITES), which allows for trade but is regulated by a permit system. Malaysia is a signatory of CITES.

However, it is not in the protected species list under the Protection of Wildlife Act 1972.

With the new law, authorities would also be able to take action against illegal traders who smuggle out Malaysia's wild flora and fauna or bring in such items, or re-export them. 

"The Act deals with transborder cases while domestic cases are charged under the Protection of Wildlife Act," said Sazmi.

The International Trade in Endangered Species Act 2007 (Flora and Fauna) was passed in Parliament last month.

To enforce the law and fight against trafficking of wildlife species, enforcement officers would be stationed at 17 official points of entry in the country, said Sazmi.

"They will be trained and equipped with the necessary information," he said, at the two-day workshop which began yesterday. 

"We have been lagging in establishing this law but now we have done it," he said. 
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Does this mean we have to sneak our tortoise around every time when taking them for sun basking? sad.gif
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Does this mean we have to sneak our tortoise around every time when taking them for sun basking? sad.gif
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@Uzairi : shocking.gif WAH!!! I'm soooooo jealous! Your snapper looks awesome! What do you feed it? How old izzit? You let it bask?

sad.gif Suddenly I also feel scared to take my star out for basking... Later police stand in front of my gate "Kura-kura tu you beli dari mana? Salah dari segi undang-undang tau?! Cepat balik ke stesen polis dengan saya". Die... doh.gif

My Star is just a tad bigger than my new snapper.




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QUOTE(Jamien @ Jan 30 2008, 11:57 AM)
@Uzairi :  shocking.gif WAH!!! I'm soooooo jealous! Your snapper looks awesome! What do you feed it? How old izzit? You let it bask?

sad.gif Suddenly I also feel scared to take my star out for basking... Later police stand in front of my gate "Kura-kura tu you beli dari mana? Salah dari segi undang-undang tau?! Cepat balik ke stesen polis dengan saya". Die... doh.gif

My Star is just a tad bigger than my new snapper.
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According to someone...

Do you know that those officers do not have the right to enter your house without a warrant? And I don't think they are police. They will be some officer. So most likely they will not target home owners, cause too much procedures.

So no worries. Ask them to show warrant, else you say you will make police report for trespassing. By then quickly ask your tortoise to run...

I doubt they will target home owners, UNLESS they suspect you have 100 radiatas at the backyard la... (if you know who I'm referring)
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QUOTE(dzi921 @ Jan 30 2008, 01:11 PM)
According to someone...

Do you know that those officers do not have the right to enter your house without a warrant? And I don't think they are police. They will be some officer. So most likely they will not target home owners, cause too much procedures.

So no worries. Ask them to show warrant, else you say you will make police report for trespassing. By then quickly ask your tortoise to run...

I doubt they will target home owners, UNLESS they suspect you have 100 radiatas at the backyard la... (if you know who I'm referring)
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i tot only ST is illegal....and endangered..... unsure.gif unsure.gif
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QUOTE(inexsis @ Jan 30 2008, 03:25 PM)
uyooo.....  shocking.gif  shocking.gif
i tot only ST is illegal....and endangered..... unsure.gif  unsure.gif
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You tot wrong My fren
On the international level the Radiated are even more endangered

The Indian Star are on CITES II but the Radiated are on the I list LOL


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QUOTE(SAMPERTH @ Jan 30 2008, 02:30 PM)
You tot wrong My fren
On the international level the Radiated are even more endangered

The Indian Star are on CITES II but the Radiated are on the I list LOL
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Should be ok for us gua... We are not trading
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We should not worry about it, coz we are not trading. brows.gif

QUOTE(Jamien @ Jan 30 2008, 11:57 AM)
@Uzairi :  shocking.gif WAH!!! I'm soooooo jealous! Your snapper looks awesome! What do you feed it? How old izzit? You let it bask?

sad.gif Suddenly I also feel scared to take my star out for basking... Later police stand in front of my gate "Kura-kura tu you beli dari mana? Salah dari segi undang-undang tau?! Cepat balik ke stesen polis dengan saya". Die... doh.gif

My Star is just a tad bigger than my new snapper.
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I feed mine with those feeding fish rm5 per week, sometimes when he is happy he can take more around rm10 worth of feeding fish. brows.gif He's already 5 years plus minus and growing. brows.gif
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So you're suppose to feed it as much as it can eat?

Who's the one with 100 radiatas out back?
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LOL, you are damn true about that! You can see leslie getting lazier and getting more meat on his stomach!

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LOL, you are damn true about that! You can see leslie getting lazier and getting more meat on his stomach!

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QUOTE(Jamien @ Jan 30 2008, 03:34 PM)
So you're suppose to feed it as much as it can eat?

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Mine is quite big already, and because they dont hunt their food i put Rm5-10 worth of feeding fish so that more fishes leads to more food. tongue.gif

QUOTE(camillenoir @ Jan 30 2008, 05:07 PM)
where got meat.. only lard kekekeke...
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QUOTE(camillenoir @ Jan 29 2008, 11:35 PM)
aiyah... this guy always ask people to show their things in a very 'happy' tone. (you know what i mean by 'happy' LMAO)
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And about mamba, only when you point it out i can sense something unusual in his way of asking us to show him ours!  sweat.gif Scary and wicked i can say!  sweat.gif
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Mine is quite big already, and because they dont hunt their food i put Rm5-10 worth of feeding fish so that more fishes leads to more food. tongue.gif


mine are given ikan belanak and kembung... those monsters are eating machines, if i give feeder fish i'll bankrupt fast LOL!

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any snappers are eating machines... isK! watever u put it... *karp* it eats... isK!

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QUOTE(ekiddie @ Jan 30 2008, 08:07 PM)
any snappers are eating machines... isK! watever u put it... *karp* it eats... isK!

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QUOTE(camillenoir @ Jan 30 2008, 05:56 PM)
mine are given ikan belanak and kembung... those monsters are eating machines, if i give feeder fish i'll bankrupt fast LOL!
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Wow... I was googling for Radiata's info and stumbled across

http://www.adpost.com/my/
Search: radiated

There are so many people selling Radiatas in Malaysia ranging RM1k and above. Found a few nice looking ones too


Added on January 30, 2008, 10:01 pmThese 2 looks good... Too bad I've bought mine

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the second specimen is not 2 years old. duh, another seller who know nuts.
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the second specimen is not 2 years old. duh, another seller who know nuts.
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Roughly how old should it be?

Btw, did you notice the background picture of the 2nd pic for the 2nd seller? A lot of radiatas behind
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The size doesnt reflect the age as the diet might change the growth rate of the tortoises. So i cant give an exact age for the tortoise.
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Ally
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wah uzairi... very good pictorial explaination... thumbup.gif hehe...

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emm thanx all...cannot wait to post my ttt picture..but i dont have the digital camera,so i have to pinjam with my friend..heheheh.so i willpost it a.s.a.p

emm i really minat ally snaper.bcause it was too cool.hehehe..but it was so expensive.hatchling around rm400(is it right??)

emm i just kumpul my ttt sedikit demi sedikit la.just now i just bought indonesian spiny hill turtle n common snaping turte.veryhappyjavascript:add_smilie(":clap:")

emm i just go to the 88 pet shop in the evening n there are alot of tortoise there. they have rusian tortoise,spider tortoise n many more(cannot ingat semua lah)hehehe.

em right now im still student n living in the college, all my friend come to my room to look at my ttt. the best part was when my friend said "WAH!!!SO COOL LA BRO"...at that time i feel the money that i used to buy ttt not membazir la.n i feel like to buy more..hehehehe..

ok..that all for today.got class tomorrow..

long life ttt!!!!!!!!!!!!


Added on January 31, 2008, 3:25 amoh one more..in ikano they have big headed turtle rm650..(really want to buy,but dont have money)huhuhu
n also they have 2hatchling common snaping turtle rm250..(but they labelled its as ally snaping turtle) n 1 subadult common snaping turtle rm 800..


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Ally hatchling is only RM 350. Common is a lot cheaper. ^^" A bit shocked that pet safari also trying to pose common as ally. The subadult snapper i see before. The pet shop fella purposely irritate for me to see so can show how expert he is at handling and how dangerous the snapper is.

What is big headed turtle?
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QUOTE(camillenoir @ Jan 30 2008, 05:56 PM)
mine are given ikan belanak and kembung... those monsters are eating machines, if i give feeder fish i'll bankrupt fast LOL!
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so they take dead fish too?
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QUOTE(kaseinogen @ Jan 31 2008, 03:17 AM)
emm thanx all...cannot wait to post my ttt picture..but i dont have the digital camera,so i have to pinjam with my friend..heheheh.so i willpost it a.s.a.p

emm i really minat ally snaper.bcause it was too cool.hehehe..but it was so expensive.hatchling around rm400(is it right??)

emm i just kumpul my ttt sedikit demi sedikit la.just now i just bought indonesian spiny hill turtle n common snaping turte.veryhappyjavascript:add_smilie(":clap:")

emm i just go to the 88 pet shop in the evening n there are alot of tortoise there. they have rusian tortoise,spider tortoise n many more(cannot ingat semua lah)hehehe.

em right now im still student n living in the college, all my friend come to my room to look at my ttt. the best part was when my friend said "WAH!!!SO COOL LA BRO"...at that time i feel the money that i used to buy ttt not membazir la.n i feel like to buy more..hehehehe..

ok..that all for today.got class tomorrow..

long life ttt!!!!!!!!!!!!


Added on January 31, 2008, 3:25 amoh one more..in ikano they have big headed turtle rm650..(really want to buy,but dont have money)huhuhu
n also they have 2hatchling common snaping turtle rm250..(but they labelled its as ally snaping turtle) n 1 subadult common snaping turtle rm 800..
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so they take dead fish too?
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QUOTE(camillenoir @ Jan 30 2008, 06:56 PM)
mine are given ikan belanak and kembung... those monsters are eating machines, if i give feeder fish i'll bankrupt fast LOL!
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Mine like fowl more ( head ,neck , legs are cheap and easy to get )

And thats beside prawn and aquatic snail LOL

Live day old chick and rats are thrown in once in a while to let them have some live actions !!!
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yeah, although snappers are garbage cans, wriggling pinkies are indeed appetizing in their own way!

currently, all my turtles are served feeding fish only once weekly as i'm trying to avoid copper buildup. might not be critical to most keepers, but i just to avoid problem.
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hey hey, between sulcata and leopard... which one u guys will choose?
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QUOTE(dai86 @ Jan 31 2008, 10:45 PM)
hey hey, between sulcata and leopard... which one u guys will choose?
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Sulcata smile.gif More macho but prone to pyramid if don't take care well
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QUOTE(dai86 @ Jan 31 2008, 10:45 PM)
hey hey, between sulcata and leopard... which one u guys will choose?
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haha. now i am choosing wether to have a ulcata or leopard. how lah? both of u gave the different chooice.. haha..
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given me... i like sulcata more... hehe...

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I like both. Either one is thumbs up for me!
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buy both la senang tongue.gif
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other than this brand.....

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can sumone suggest other brand of vitamins gud for torts ? unsure.gif unsure.gif

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QUOTE(inexsis @ Feb 1 2008, 11:15 AM)
other than this brand.....

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can sumone suggest other brand of vitamins gud for torts ? unsure.gif  unsure.gif
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JBL TerraVit Powder
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Actually repti vite is good mar. My star was weak when i bought it from the store. This repti-vite is vet recommend to get wan. I'm still using it. It's good.
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QUOTE(Jamien @ Feb 1 2008, 12:02 PM)
Actually repti vite is good mar. My star was weak when i bought it from the store. This repti-vite is vet recommend to get wan. I'm still using it. It's good.
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Quite a useful article

Should I give my Tortoise a Bath?
from Tortoise Trust web site (the site has been down for a while)

People seem to have many different ideas regarding "outside" care for a healthy tortoise, that is, the part that he lives in!

One thought is that since turtles are "wild" animals, they needn't be bathed. Exactly the opposite is true.

Another misconception is preparations of some type (many of which are commercial) are recommended, to be placed on the shell, to "give it nutrients" and make it shiny. Many, if not most of these products, are potentially harmful.

Both the carapace and the plastron of a tortoise or turtle is comprised of living tissue. It needs oxygen and exposure to sunlight to keep healthy.

The build-up of soils, waxes, oils, or other preparations, is actually harmful to a tortoise's shell. The keratin and bony layers contain millions of microscopic pores, and things such as the products mentioned actually clog the pores, causing problems.

It is perfectly safe to give your chelonian friend a bath, in fact he/she might actually like it!

All one needs is a toothbrush, a tub of some sort large enough to accommodate the tortoises, and tepid water, no deeper than is necessary to cover the entire plastron, and a few centimetres of the carapace.

Allow your tortoise awhile to rehydrate itself, usually 15 to 20 minutes, then replace the water. Often, tortoises will often take advantage of this time to replace their water stores, voiding the old, and replacing it with fresh.

Take the toothbrush and gently brush the entire carapace, being particularly attentive to any areas of build up, between the scutes, and beneath the carapace as well, to include all areas above the head, surrounding the legs, and around the tail.

Repeat the same for legs, tail, and neck. Be careful of any areas not covered with scales, as these areas can be more sensitive.

Repeat the same procedure with the plastron, paying careful attention that all dirt is removed from between the scutes.

Finally, rinse well. DO NOT use any type of detergent, shampoo, or other product unless recommended by your veterinarian. Some of these products, while safe for dogs, cats, or people, can be potentially harmful, and sometimes even fatal to turtles.

Turtles and terrapins, even though most always in water, appreciate a shell cleaning on occasion as well. Algae, shedding skin, and normal peeling of the scutes in paper-thin fragments can all be removed from the turtle, allowing for healthier shell growth.

After your turtle is clean and dry, if healthy and on a good diet, should have a shell which shines all by itself. No additional treatment should be necessary.

This procedure gives the owner an excellent opportunity to examine the animal in detail for any problems, such as injuries, shell rot, or abrasions.

Regular, monthly cleaning and inspection make for a healthier, happier turtle, with less chance of potential for skin or shell problems.
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i gave my tortie bath when i feel he is dirty, since all the poo stick under his shell. but will choose the day where the sun is a little hot. after cleaning will let him have a sunbath to let him dry.......

but buy 2 is very expensive lah. huh.... anyone want to buy together with me ah? hehe.... (i think i will choose leopard lah...) tat seller offer me rm5++ for a 4 inch lol... u guys think tat price ok ah?

by the way, did u guys give those 'worm medicine' to ur tortoise??

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QUOTE(dai86 @ Feb 1 2008, 01:44 PM)
i gave my tortie bath when i feel he is dirty, since all the poo stick under his shell. but will choose the day where the sun is a little hot. after cleaning will let him have a sunbath to let him dry.......

but buy 2 is very expensive lah. huh.... anyone want to buy together with me ah? hehe.... (i think i will choose leopard lah...) tat seller offer me rm5++ for a 4 inch lol... u guys think tat price ok ah?

by the way, did u guys give those 'worm medicine' to ur tortoise??
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RM5++ for 4 inch... wow seems cheap

In Pets Safari they are selling leopards (2inch+) at RM500

If you can afford RM5++, why not save more and buy Radiata smile.gif

I think if want buy can start buying now, after March or when actions are being taken, pet shops will not sell it liao
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RM5++ for 4 inch... wow seems cheap

In Pets Safari they are selling leopards (2inch+) at RM500

If you can afford RM5++, why not save more and buy Radiata smile.gif

I think if want buy can start buying now, after March or when actions are being taken, pet shops will not sell it liao
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the person who sell to me is not a petshop lol. is a trader i think. i dun like radiated, cos it's pattern seems like star's one. haha... and radiated is so expensive. haha... scared i can't handle it. but leopard can easily adapt to enviroment. haha... (readed from chelonia.net) and i think 4 inch radiated will cost me about rm15++ right?? is 3 times the laopard price. haha...
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leopard tortoise can die fast if the humidity is too high. it is more sensitive to humidity than stars, even in specimens 10" and up. i experienced that before.


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QUOTE(dai86 @ Feb 1 2008, 03:08 PM)
the person who sell to me is not a petshop lol. is a trader i think. i dun like radiated, cos it's pattern seems like star's one. haha... and radiated is so expensive. haha... scared i can't handle it. but leopard can easily adapt to enviroment. haha... (readed from chelonia.net) and i think 4 inch radiated will cost me about rm15++ right?? is 3 times the laopard price. haha...
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You sure about chelonia.net as they are up for sale now LOL

Anyway most of those website are western country or northern based ( almost non are tropical based ) thus their recomanded species are mostly low humidity tolerance one ie Sulcata , Leopard , Herman , Russian ...etc as their country has a lower average humidity than ours ( Malayisa)

Better to hear from ex-keeper speaking from experience who are locally based ( kept that species here in Malaysia ) !!!
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QUOTE(dai86 @ Feb 1 2008, 02:08 PM)
the person who sell to me is not a petshop lol. is a trader i think. i dun like radiated, cos it's pattern seems like star's one. haha... and radiated is so expensive. haha... scared i can't handle it. but leopard can easily adapt to enviroment. haha... (readed from chelonia.net) and i think 4 inch radiated will cost me about rm15++ right?? is 3 times the laopard price. haha...
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In Malaysia, I think 4 inch radiated can range from RM2200 to RM2900

But check out the price for radiata at other countries (I think the price is in US currency). These are new adverts

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Some old news but worth reading. So beware malaysians for posting out their tortoise for sale in the internet

Indictment charges crime of Illegal Commercialization of Wildlife
http://www.oag.state.ny.us/press/2004/dec/dec23a_04.html

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Ok, this news is quite fresh

Illegal pet trade threatens freshwater turtles and tortoises
http://www.wwf.org.my/index.cfm?uNewsID=5200
08 Jan 2008

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QUOTE(SAMPERTH @ Feb 1 2008, 03:37 PM)
You sure about chelonia.net as they are up for sale now LOL

Anyway most of those website are western country or northern based ( almost non are tropical based ) thus their recomanded species are mostly low humidity tolerance one ie Sulcata , Leopard , Herman , Russian ...etc as their country has a lower average humidity than ours ( Malayisa) 

Better to hear from ex-keeper speaking from experience who are locally based ( kept that species here in Malaysia ) !!!
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dai: i checked on the net, there is indeed a caresheet on chelonia.org (not chelonia.net lol) that mentioned about leopard easily adapting to their environments in Africa

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Natural history: This is the most widely distributed tortoise in southern Africa. Found throughout the savannas of Africa, from Sudan to the southern Cape. They are commonly kept as pets and adapt well to captivity in most areas barring coastal Natal where the humidity affects them adversely.


malaysia is literally surrounded by coasts..

dzi: i think you could use the spoiler tag to post those articles, looks neater that way.

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QUOTE(dai86 @ Feb 1 2008, 01:44 PM)
i gave my tortie bath when i feel he is dirty, since all the poo stick under his shell. but will choose the day where the sun is a little hot. after cleaning will let him have a sunbath to let him dry.......

but buy 2 is very expensive lah. huh.... anyone want to buy together with me ah? hehe.... (i think i will choose leopard lah...) tat seller offer me rm5++ for a 4 inch lol... u guys think tat price ok ah?

by the way, did u guys give those 'worm medicine' to ur tortoise??
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I think you can feed them pumpkin as it served as natural dewormer . . .i read about this in malaysia fauna forum .. .

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OMG... pyramid can be quite bad sad.gif
http://tortues-terrestres.forumactif.com/a...ille-t27879.htm

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http://tortues-terrestres.forumactif.com/a...inee-t15786.htm

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Leopard also can suffer from pyramid

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freshwater turtles in jakarta? i'm wondering which species are they talking about? hehe...

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>.< The pyramids look... Scary? Not quite what I imagined.

BTW guys, I bought RM1 of shrimp, and in the packet came with an insect that swims and live in water. It has 2 wing like thingy and no other visible legs. What izzit????
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QUOTE(Jamien @ Feb 1 2008, 11:26 PM)
>.< The pyramids look... Scary? Not quite what I imagined.

BTW guys, I bought RM1 of shrimp, and in the packet came with an insect that swims and live in water. It has 2 wing like thingy and no other visible legs. What izzit????
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QUOTE(inexsis @ Feb 1 2008, 11:15 AM)
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can sumone suggest other brand of vitamins gud for torts ? unsure.gif  unsure.gif
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They are good enough imho, no need for other unless u cannot get it.

QUOTE(dzi921 @ Feb 1 2008, 12:03 PM)
I went to look for repti vite & calcium, but mostly going to expire soon
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Why no get some from other members? I have and if u want some let me know. smile.gif

QUOTE(dzi921 @ Feb 1 2008, 08:17 PM)
OMG... pyramid can be quite bad sad.gif
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Too much protein.

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uzairi: take lots of pictures from today's gathering. i'll be watching, from somewhere wink.gif

and all you guys are welcomed to drop by. the more, the merrier.

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hehe... sorry about the webpage name. yup, is chelonia.org. haha... mmm... if like that then i will just end up buy another star lah... haha... but even star are hard to find now a days. i went to 6 pet shop around my house here, only one who still have few stars. other one also dun have anymore...... should say happy or sad?
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QUOTE(camillenoir @ Feb 2 2008, 08:36 AM)
uzairi: take lots of pictures from today's gathering. i'll be watching, from somewhere  wink.gif

and all you guys are welcomed to drop by. the more, the merrier.

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I'm around the area at that time. What is the gathering all about?
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QUOTE(dai86 @ Feb 2 2008, 09:13 AM)
hehe... sorry about the webpage name. yup, is chelonia.org. haha... mmm... if like that then i will just end up buy another star lah... haha... but even star are hard to find now a days. i went to 6 pet shop around my house here, only one who still have few stars. other one also dun have anymore...... should say happy or sad?
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the only one wif star got how many 3inch & above?price? smile.gif

a lot of sellers hold their stock till march then jack the price up. mad.gif

went to jln pasar yesterday, only 1 shop got star and she said "all already bought by sum1" when i said im interested wif 3inchabove star..

they only sell hacthling..
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QUOTE(dai86 @ Feb 2 2008, 09:13 AM)
hehe... sorry about the webpage name. yup, is chelonia.org. haha... mmm... if like that then i will just end up buy another star lah... haha... but even star are hard to find now a days. i went to 6 pet shop around my house here, only one who still have few stars. other one also dun have anymore...... should say happy or sad?
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aiya bro... you can buy the leopard and sulcata what.. just make sure the husbandry requirement is fulfilled, especially on the humidity. many people had successfully raised leopard tortoise here in malaysia.

stars.. expect sellers to hide stocks and raise the price come march.

QUOTE(dzi921 @ Feb 2 2008, 09:21 AM)
I'm around the area at that time. What is the gathering all about?
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many animal lovers (and posers) would be there

but please don't bring furkids, the venue is a restaurant.

i think mamba and rafiqos will bring their human pet tongue.gif

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mamba wont be there..only Ali's friend, Abu, the goat lover maybe there!LoL!!!
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QUOTE(camillenoir @ Feb 2 2008, 09:50 AM)
many animal lovers (and posers) would be there

but please don't bring furkids, the venue is a restaurant.

i think mamba and rafiqos will bring their human pet  tongue.gif
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non-lyn endorsed. organized by another forum. most attendees already known each other.

end of story.

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They are good enough imho, no need for other unless u cannot get it.
Why no get some from other members? I have and if u want some let me know.  smile.gif
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u sell ka this brand ? kinda hard to find....mostly old stock.....
i bought 1 n forgot to check the date....bought in january.....expired in march vmad.gif vmad.gif
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better get ur star ASAP b4 march inexsis..or else ur pocket will get burnt!!!
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>.< The pyramids look... Scary? Not quite what I imagined.

BTW guys, I bought RM1 of shrimp, and in the packet came with an insect that swims and live in water. It has 2 wing like thingy and no other visible legs. What izzit????
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it's some waterbug... just throw it to ur turtles... they luv it... hahaaa! my snakeneck luv those...

confem the law will be enforce on march ka?? hmm... gotto go hunt for more star after cny? hehe...

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just get myself a 3 inch plus star. hehe... that shop only have 2 more 3 inch plus and 2 other slightly 3 inch. anyone want to get if have to be fast lol... here the pic.... what u guys think bout it? just today only i know that my old star are 5 inch plus di. haha....


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nice looking..how much issit?
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just rm100 plus. haha.... have to bargain with that shop person. haha...
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nice stars dai... hehe...

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Yalor... I think March onwards harder to buy tortoise liao

If enforcer caught someone and slam him with big summon... that will cause chain effect and all other traders will be scared to sell
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damn! wanna go out and buy more tortoises or not ar?? hahaaa!

neway, does de law oso applies on turtles?

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I hope there is way to let us apply for license soon. At least that will not make our tortoises illegal immigrant. hehe
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i got a message today that M. Auliya just launched a new book, something like identification guide to the tortoise and freshwater turtles of brunei, indonesia, malaysia, papua, philippines, singapore and timor leste. the book is to be used with the new law, so now you can expect wildlife officers to be more knowledgeable, to a certain limited extent.

license? that would be impossible to obtain unless your animals have all the legal documentations. you can try to apply and get your animals confiscated.

FYI, radiated is in CITES 1 so no license could be rightfully issued

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this is the picture of big headed turtles


Added on February 3, 2008, 5:25 amemm today i got my 12th spesies...fly river terrapin...hehehehehehe...so happyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy.... rclxm9.gif rclxm9.gif

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waaaaa! u guys got really cool turtles!

may i know where u guys keep them? will they be dirty n smelly like those normal red slider terrapins?
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turtles do need more maintanence compared to tortoises... actually, it's easy... just change the water when u see they are dirty and that will do just fine...

the bigger they are... they bigger they poo lor... tat's why bigger turtles are more dirty...

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QUOTE(kaseinogen @ Feb 3 2008, 06:24 AM)
this is the picture of big headed turtles


Added on February 3, 2008, 5:25 amemm today i got my 12th spesies...fly river terrapin...hehehehehehe...so happyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy.... rclxm9.gif  rclxm9.gif
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How big enclosure you giving them or you mixing certain species in one ?

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QUOTE(dai86 @ Feb 2 2008, 05:20 PM)
just get myself a 3 inch plus star. hehe... that shop only have 2 more 3 inch plus and 2 other slightly 3 inch. anyone want to get if have to be fast lol... here the pic.... what u guys think bout it? just today only i know that my old star are 5 inch plus di. haha....
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where is d shop??? drool.gif
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QUOTE(camillenoir @ Feb 3 2008, 03:15 AM)
i got a message today that M. Auliya just launched a new book, something like identification guide to the tortoise and freshwater turtles of brunei, indonesia, malaysia, papua, philippines, singapore and timor leste. the book is to be used with the new law, so now you can expect wildlife officers to be more knowledgeable, to a certain limited extent.

license? that would be impossible to obtain unless your animals have all the legal documentations. you can try to apply and get your animals confiscated.

FYI, radiated is in CITES 1 so no license could be rightfully issued
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Unless that Radiated are either CB fom parents with CITES paper or imported as CB with CITES paper ( legal way ) !!!

How I wish I was born pre-CITES period or befoe Malaysia signed as a CITES member .Then I can legalised all my CITES listed animals once Malaysia sign in as a member !!!

Many of our crocodiles and Arowana breeder / farm are form this way beside buying pogeny from existing farms who own them !!!

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New member reporting in. Just got a pair of star tortoise today. Tried my best to read previous version and post but too much rclxub.gif

Hope I can get advise from all you experts.

My first question, my ST sleeps a lot during the afternoon. Is that normal ?
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QUOTE(killdavid @ Feb 3 2008, 06:05 PM)
New member reporting in. Just got a pair of star tortoise today. Tried my best to read previous version and post but too much  rclxub.gif

Hope I can get advise from all you experts.

My first question, my ST sleeps a lot during the afternoon. Is that normal ?
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Where did you bought your stars? Any photos to upload rclxms.gif
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My stars bought from Malacca. Kindly give comments and advise smile.gif I'm seriously noob.
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what size is ur star ?
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Roughly about 3 to 3.5 inch from front to back tip of the shell.
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u need basking lamp.......
very2 important


anyone here knows how to contact dai86 ?
h/p number mayb ? urgent !!!!!
need to buy that ST icon_question.gif icon_question.gif icon_question.gif

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QUOTE(inexsis @ Feb 3 2008, 09:08 PM)
u need basking lamp.......
very2 important
anyone here knows how to contact dai86 ?
h/p number mayb ? urgent !!!!!
need to buy that ST  icon_question.gif  icon_question.gif  icon_question.gif
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Wah so fast people go rush to buy tortoises ah

If you are looking for Star Tortoise

88 Pets Mart got around 4 to 5 2inch stars. Quite good looking. They placed 2 at the downstairs counter and a few more at upstairs

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hmmm...basking lamp ? You mean the lamp that I use has no effect on calcium absorption ? It does provide some UV light needed by the stars right ?
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QUOTE(dzi921 @ Feb 3 2008, 09:24 PM)
Wah so fast people go rush to buy tortoises ah

If you are looking for Star Tortoise

88 Pets Mart got around 4 to 5 2inch stars. Quite good looking. They placed 2 at the downstairs counter and a few more at upstairs

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been there.....no stock
i need 3inch n above one !!!!!!!! icon_question.gif icon_question.gif
dai86~~~~ where are u~~~~ rclxub.gif rclxub.gif

QUOTE(killdavid @ Feb 3 2008, 09:31 PM)
hmmm...basking lamp ? You mean the lamp that I use has no effect on calcium absorption ? It does provide some UV light needed by the stars right ?
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that light only giv 1 type of uv....u torts need both uva/uvb light....
so u need basking lamp tooo.....

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Can the normal tungsten bulb be a basking lamp ?
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QUOTE(inexsis @ Feb 3 2008, 09:49 PM)
been there.....no stock
i need 3inch n above one !!!!!!!!  icon_question.gif  icon_question.gif
dai86~~~~ where are u~~~~ rclxub.gif  rclxub.gif
that light only giv 1 type of uv....u torts need both uva/uvb light....
so u need basking lamp tooo.....
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No stock? So fast? I just went 2 weeks ago

Wow... Either ppl sapu all or they have kept it for later
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Yes in Malacca also hard to find. The aquarium dealer said that they placed orders but so far the supplier have not come back to them. Think their price going to go up again.
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QUOTE(killdavid @ Feb 3 2008, 09:54 PM)
Can the normal tungsten bulb be a basking lamp ?
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Is your normal bulb hot?

I use these which can be bought at Pet Safari (Ikano)

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i am backed..
cny, busy with a lot of stuff...expecially shopping and hang out. haha...
i used hay for bedding. hehe...
i buy it in the selayang shop lol which i tell u guys. huh....

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killdavid... where in m'cca got alot of torts and turts to see ar?? if no plan change, i might be heading down to mcca during cny holiday... hehe...

what's de price of those stars say like 3inch liddat now in de market?

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wow everyone is sapu star tortoise now lol...

anyway, today i went to 88 Pets Mart and saw only left 2 more than 3 inches star at upstairs and 2 smaller one at counter there, one of the 3 inches has sticker on it so i assume that it's reserved already. other than that i saw 2 russian tortoise and another 2 dunno what spider tortoise upstairs, and also 2 pig nose turtle at counter there.

btw may i know in Ikano still got star or not? last time i went there around 2-3 months ago there got quite a lot of stars.

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i just came back from ikano yesterday... i mean today... errr... it's yesterday as it's over 12am d now... hahaaa!

well... got an adult alligator snapper... 2 hatchling common snapper... a few leopard tortoises... 2 big head turtles... and NO star tortoises!! isK!! shakehead.gif

now... where can i find any of it? wah... it's being grab up or being hidden up? hmm...

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QUOTE(ekiddie @ Feb 4 2008, 12:54 AM)
adult alligator snapper
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may i know how much is it? tongue.gif

in Pets Family there got sell common snapper + aquarium + stand for RM1k
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QUOTE(ekiddie @ Feb 3 2008, 11:49 PM)
killdavid... where in m'cca got alot of torts and turts to see ar?? if no plan change, i might be heading down to mcca during cny holiday... hehe...

what's de price of those stars say like 3inch liddat now in de market?

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Like I said right now hard to find. Most of the places i went to sold out already. The store i bought mine left the last 2 both 3.5 inch at RM 100. Store owner also don't entertain bargaining cause he say now hard to find. The other place is the aquarium near Bukit Baru traffic junction. They have a pair for sale but less than 3 inch for RM100.
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Got someone selling a star tortoise at the garage sale
http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...494&hl=tortoise
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wah lau ... 2 inch star for RM 200 !!
that's 100% more than i paid for. What's the market price actually? I bought my as an impulse buy so i didn't do much survey.
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QUOTE(hwa107 @ Feb 4 2008, 12:24 AM)
wow everyone is sapu star tortoise now lol...

anyway, today i went to 88 Pets Mart and saw only left 2 more than 3 inches star at upstairs and 2 smaller one at counter there, one of the 3 inches has sticker on it so i assume that it's reserved already. other than that i saw 2 russian tortoise and another 2 dunno what spider tortoise upstairs, and also 2 pig nose turtle at counter there.

btw may i know in Ikano still got star or not? last time i went there around 2-3 months ago there got quite a lot of stars.
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But after looking further, I notice that their shell colour is not too bright. A bit dull and faded

QUOTE(killdavid @ Feb 4 2008, 11:00 AM)
wah lau ... 2 inch star for RM 200 !!
that's 100% more than i paid for. What's the market price actually? I bought my as an impulse buy so i didn't do much survey.
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RM200 for 2inch is definately expensive

Around RM100 to RM130 should be ok
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QUOTE(SAMPERTH @ Feb 1 2008, 03:37 PM)
You sure about chelonia.net as they are up for sale now LOL

Anyway most of those website are western country or northern based ( almost non are tropical based ) thus their recomanded species are mostly low humidity tolerance one ie Sulcata , Leopard , Herman , Russian ...etc as their country has a lower average humidity than ours ( Malayisa) 

Better to hear from ex-keeper speaking from experience who are locally based ( kept that species here in Malaysia ) !!!

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QUOTE(inexsis @ Feb 2 2008, 11:24 AM)
u sell ka this brand ? kinda hard to find....mostly old stock.....
i bought 1 n forgot to check the date....bought in january.....expired in march  vmad.gif  vmad.gif
dah la tors aku xsampai2 lg dry.gif
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mine's untill october 2008. but still i dont think i can finish it by then... unless i buy more tortoises by then LOL....anyone want to "pow" sikit no prob...

p.s: feel sorry for inexsis... so desperate to find stars for so long... but other members seem to be able to buy them without not much effort LOL

QUOTE(ekiddie @ Feb 4 2008, 12:54 AM)
i just came back from ikano yesterday... i mean today... errr... it's yesterday as it's over 12am d now... hahaaa!

well... got an adult alligator snapper... 2 hatchling common snapper... a few leopard tortoises... 2 big head turtles... and NO star tortoises!! isK!!  shakehead.gif 

now... where can i find any of it? wah... it's being grab up or being hidden up? hmm...

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QUOTE(camillenoir @ Feb 2 2008, 08:36 AM)
uzairi: take lots of pictures from today's gathering. i'll be watching, from somewhere  wink.gif

and all you guys are welcomed to drop by. the more, the merrier.

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u sell ka this brand ? kinda hard to find....mostly old stock.....
i bought 1 n forgot to check the date....bought in january.....expired in march  vmad.gif  vmad.gif
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im not selling them. tongue.gif
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sayasebuk,

Wow, I just checked our pets album and was amazed how your tortoises shell recovered

Good job man smile.gif
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QUOTE(dai86 @ Feb 2 2008, 05:30 PM)
just rm100 plus. haha.... have to bargain with that shop person. haha...
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QUOTE(killdavid @ Feb 4 2008, 07:42 AM)
Like I said right now hard to find. Most of the places i went to sold out already. The store i bought mine left the last 2 both 3.5 inch at RM 100. Store owner also don't entertain bargaining cause he say now hard to find. The other place is the aquarium near Bukit Baru traffic junction. They have a pair for sale but less than 3 inch for RM100.
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i think for that low of a price, the petshop wanted to sell off his stock quickly and wash off his hands..

so i guess there is a possiblity that some petshop will sell stars below market price
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QUOTE(killdavid @ Feb 3 2008, 08:29 PM)
My stars bought from Malacca. Kindly give comments and advise smile.gif I'm seriously noob.
Here is my humble rig

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substrate: those pine/cedar/whatever odorous shavings should be changed ASAP. at the mean time, you could just use newspaper. and next time you use substrate, make it thicker.

lighting: those aquarium lighting provides neither suitable heat nor UVB. use a combination of normal osram bulbs and uvb bulb. in this rainy season, those tortoises are going to have some serious problem without proper heating.

please make changes ASAP (aka TODAY), don't wait after CNY.
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QUOTE(killdavid @ Feb 3 2008, 08:29 PM)
My stars bought from Malacca. Kindly give comments and advise smile.gif I'm seriously noob.
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QUOTE(camillenoir @ Feb 4 2008, 02:59 PM)
substrate: those pine/cedar/whatever odorous shavings should be changed ASAP. at the mean time, you could just use newspaper. and next time you use substrate, make it thicker.

lighting: those aquarium lighting provides neither suitable heat nor UVB. use a combination of normal osram bulbs and uvb bulb. in this rainy season, those tortoises are going to have some serious problem without proper heating.

please make changes ASAP (aka TODAY), don't wait after CNY.
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Hmmm.... thanks for your advise. I really don't know where to get the thicker substrate. What effects will the wood shavings have on the stars ?

When you mean bulb, you're referring to tungsten filament bulbs ?
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wood shavings that are odorous (pine, cedars) could cause respiratory toxicity. you could try chips from non-odorous woods, bark chips or paper cat litter

what i mean by thicker is put more substrates, from your pictures many parts of the aquarium floor are uncovered. tortoises should have at least inch-thick substrate (unless you use newspaper that get changed every single day)

yup.. tungsten bulb for heat.

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QUOTE(sayasebuk @ Feb 4 2008, 11:37 AM)
a simple yet very important (life & death important) advice
mine's untill october 2008. but still i dont think i can finish it by then... unless i buy more tortoises by then LOL....anyone want to "pow" sikit no prob...

p.s: feel sorry for inexsis... so desperate to find stars for so long... but other members seem to be able to buy them without not much effort LOL
wow big-headed turtles? have never been able to seen them up close
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waaaaaaaaaaaa.............. i juz came back from Selayang baru....... Juz bought my new pair of Stair Tortoise !!!!!!!!!!! rclxm9.gif rclxm9.gif
i bought it from the petshop that dai86 also bought from....... toooo far.........but worthy brows.gif brows.gif
can sumone translate the vege name that gud for Torts....only 1 i know...sawi....others...never heard it before tongue.gif
if RNS...whats the medicine i should use to cure them ?
waaaaaaaa...........soooo excited rclxub.gif rclxub.gif
finnally !!!!!!!!! doh.gif
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How much did you get yours for ? Is kangkung good for them ?
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QUOTE(inexsis @ Feb 4 2008, 06:09 PM)
waaaaaaaaaaaa.............. i juz came back from Selayang baru....... Juz bought my new pair of Stair Tortoise !!!!!!!!!!!  rclxm9.gif  rclxm9.gif
i bought it from the petshop that dai86 also bought from....... toooo far.........but worthy brows.gif  brows.gif
can sumone translate the vege name that gud for Torts....only 1 i know...sawi....others...never heard it before tongue.gif
if RNS...whats the medicine i should use to cure them ?
waaaaaaaa...........soooo excited  rclxub.gif  rclxub.gif
finnally !!!!!!!!! doh.gif
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Still got how many stars left? Is the left overs good?

What other tortoises do they have?

Edit: Post some PHOTOOOOSSS smile.gif

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QUOTE(uzairi @ Feb 4 2008, 11:59 AM)
TT was a so so only lol.  laugh.gif
im not selling them. tongue.gif
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because i wasn't there LOL

QUOTE(dzi921 @ Feb 4 2008, 12:13 PM)
sayasebuk,

Wow, I just checked our pets album and was amazed how your tortoises shell recovered

Good job man smile.gif
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QUOTE(inexsis @ Feb 4 2008, 06:09 PM)
waaaaaaaaaaaa.............. i juz came back from Selayang baru....... Juz bought my new pair of Stair Tortoise !!!!!!!!!!!  rclxm9.gif  rclxm9.gif
i bought it from the petshop that dai86 also bought from....... toooo far.........but worthy brows.gif  brows.gif
can sumone translate the vege name that gud for Torts....only 1 i know...sawi....others...never heard it before tongue.gif
if RNS...whats the medicine i should use to cure them ?
waaaaaaaa...........soooo excited  rclxub.gif  rclxub.gif
finnally !!!!!!!!! doh.gif
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congratz.. i went there too

btw, anyone knows any place else selling ally snappers? the ones at selayang are actually common snappers. the last specimen at kin fatt is already booked by someone, apparently just before my arrival. (that someone was very lucky since i was planning to cash and carry)

selayang and kepong are unknown territories for me. sesat for more than 2 hours LOL (tak berkat sebab lari time ofis hours brows.gif ).

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QUOTE(sayasebuk @ Feb 4 2008, 09:29 PM)
because i wasn't there LOL
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not so bad la..

they got free entrance into the exhibition at 1U (where uzairi flirted with you-know-who's spouse LOL!)

plus, there were a quartet of long-legged, hot brunettes and half-blondes joining them.

well... your loss.. kekeke.

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QUOTE(camillenoir @ Feb 4 2008, 09:40 PM)
not so bad la..

they got free entrance into the exhibition at 1U (where uzairi flirted with you-know-who's spouse LOL!)

plus, there were a quartet of long-legged, hot brunettes and half-blondes joining them.

well... your loss.. kekeke.
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QUOTE(camillenoir @ Feb 4 2008, 05:28 PM)
wood shavings that are odorous (pine, cedars) could cause respiratory toxicity. you could try chips from non-odorous woods, bark chips or paper cat litter
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regarding the wood chip, today i found 2 small pieces of wood chip in my 3 inches star poo, i think he might be accidentally eat the wood chip... sad.gif

i think we might have to reconsider which substrate is good for our tortoise, another thing about the wood chip is that they seem to keep moisture and kinda hard for them to dry. to me the best would be the turned upside down tile.

btw the wood chip im using is as the image below, the star in the picture is around 2 inches big.

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QUOTE(inexsis @ Feb 4 2008, 06:09 PM)
waaaaaaaaaaaa.............. i juz came back from Selayang baru....... Juz bought my new pair of Stair Tortoise !!!!!!!!!!!  rclxm9.gif  rclxm9.gif
i bought it from the petshop that dai86 also bought from....... toooo far.........but worthy brows.gif  brows.gif
can sumone translate the vege name that gud for Torts....only 1 i know...sawi....others...never heard it before tongue.gif
if RNS...whats the medicine i should use to cure them ?
waaaaaaaa...........soooo excited  rclxub.gif  rclxub.gif
finnally !!!!!!!!! doh.gif
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QUOTE(killdavid @ Feb 4 2008, 07:35 PM)
How much did you get yours for ? Is kangkung good for them ?
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kangkung is not good for them since it can cause calcium binding. try sawi, carrots, lady finger and french bean and long bean(once a week for the beans)

QUOTE(sayasebuk @ Feb 4 2008, 09:29 PM)
because i wasn't there LOL
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QUOTE(camillenoir @ Feb 4 2008, 09:40 PM)
not so bad la..

they got free entrance into the exhibition at 1U (where uzairi flirted with you-know-who's spouse LOL!)

plus, there were a quartet of long-legged, hot brunettes and half-blondes joining them.

well... your loss.. kekeke.
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QUOTE(sayasebuk @ Feb 4 2008, 09:44 PM)
hey.. no one mentioned there was an after tea thingy  mad.gif
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QUOTE(hwa107 @ Feb 4 2008, 10:22 PM)
regarding the wood chip, today i found 2 small pieces of wood chip in my 3 inches star poo, i think he might be accidentally eat the wood chip... sad.gif

i think we might have to reconsider which substrate is good for our tortoise, another thing about the wood chip is that they seem to keep moisture and kinda hard for them to dry. to me the best would be the turned upside down tile.

btw the wood chip im using is as the image below, the star in the picture is around 2 inches big.

user posted image
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Is it this brand?

Would it help if you buy XXL size? This brand hard to find sometimes. Pet Safari got 5 packets of XXL, I sapu all that day. RM24/each. Now left with small size type

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QUOTE(hwa107 @ Feb 4 2008, 10:22 PM)
regarding the wood chip, today i found 2 small pieces of wood chip in my 3 inches star poo, i think he might be accidentally eat the wood chip... sad.gif

i think we might have to reconsider which substrate is good for our tortoise, another thing about the wood chip is that they seem to keep moisture and kinda hard for them to dry. to me the best would be the turned upside down tile.

btw the wood chip im using is as the image below, the star in the picture is around 2 inches big.

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You are using XL size or what ? For now the safest i think so far is the recyled paper pellets. Forest bark also have some slight percentage to be swallowed by the st. nod.gif


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QUOTE(dzi921 @ Feb 4 2008, 10:31 PM)
Is it this brand?

Would it help if you buy XXL size? This brand hard to find sometimes. Pet Safari got 5 packets of XXL, I sapu all that day. RM24/each. Now left with small size type

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Wah, you sapu all 5 ? ohmy.gif ohmy.gif

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QUOTE(uzairi @ Feb 4 2008, 10:33 PM)
You are using XL size or what ? For now the safest i think so far is the recyled paper pellets. Forest bark also have some slight percentage to be swallowed by the st.  nod.gif


Added on February 4, 2008, 10:34 pm
Wah, you sapu all 5 ?  ohmy.gif  ohmy.gif
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Do you have a photo of the recycled paper pellets? Is it sticky when it is et?

Ya, I sapu the last 5. Since it has not expiry date. At least can last me for 6 months gua
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QUOTE(hwa107 @ Feb 4 2008, 10:22 PM)
i think we might have to reconsider which substrate is good for our tortoise, another thing about the wood chip is that they seem to keep moisture and kinda hard for them to dry. to me the best would be the turned upside down tile.
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that's why we have the hygrometer... anything below 50 should be fine

please also note that humidity that is too low (very dry habitat) might contribute to pyramiding (proven in sulcata)


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QUOTE(dzi921 @ Feb 4 2008, 09:06 PM)
Still got how many stars left? Is the left overs good?

What other tortoises do they have?

Edit: Post some PHOTOOOOSSS smile.gif
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ok laaa..... seems sihat for me.....n hyperactive.....
i got both for rm210... tongue.gif
i bargain like crazyyyy.....even said that dai86 bought much more cheaper....then he ended up lowering his price.... laugh.gif

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QUOTE(sayasebuk @ Feb 4 2008, 09:29 PM)
congratz.. i went there too

btw, anyone knows any place else selling ally snappers? the ones at selayang are actually common snappers. the last specimen at kin fatt is already booked by someone, apparently just before my arrival. (that someone was very lucky since i was planning to cash and carry)

selayang and kepong are unknown territories for me. sesat for more than 2 hours LOL (tak berkat sebab lari time ofis hours  brows.gif ).
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i follow dai86 direction....i dont even sesat sikit pon laugh.gif
yep...the one in selayang is common snapper.....got 1 ally, but already booked.....very2 small ally
i'm very2 excited....... rclxm9.gif rclxm9.gif rclxm9.gif
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QUOTE(dzi921 @ Feb 4 2008, 10:43 PM)
Do you have a photo of the recycled paper pellets? Is it sticky when it is et?

Ya, I sapu the last 5. Since it has not expiry date. At least can last me for 6 months gua
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You can see inesix using the recycled paper pellets.

QUOTE(inexsis @ Feb 4 2008, 11:36 PM)
ok laaa..... seems sihat for me.....n hyperactive.....
i got both for rm210...  tongue.gif
i bargain like crazyyyy.....even said that dai86 bought much more cheaper....then he ended up lowering his price.... laugh.gif

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i follow dai86 direction....i dont even sesat sikit pon laugh.gif
yep...the one in selayang is common snapper.....got 1 ally, but already booked.....very2 small ally
i'm very2 excited....... rclxm9.gif  rclxm9.gif  rclxm9.gif
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Too excited until forgot to open the feeding dish sticker ka bro ? laugh.gif
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QUOTE(uzairi @ Feb 5 2008, 03:28 AM)
You can see inesix using the recycled paper pellets.
Too excited until forgot to open the feeding dish sticker ka bro ?  laugh.gif
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wakakakakakak......i didnt open it.....already put sayur in it.... laugh.gif
is it safe for the torts if my room fan is at max speed and i live in 7th floor...soo constant cold air coming from window....kinda sejuk in my room....
is it ok for the torts ? or i need to cover the tank with sumthing so the cold air doesnt enter the tank ?

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QUOTE(dzi921 @ Feb 4 2008, 10:31 PM)
Is it this brand?

Would it help if you buy XXL size? This brand hard to find sometimes. Pet Safari got 5 packets of XXL, I sapu all that day. RM24/each. Now left with small size type

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QUOTE(inexsis @ Feb 4 2008, 11:36 PM)
ok laaa..... seems sihat for me.....n hyperactive.....
i got both for rm210...  tongue.gif
i bargain like crazyyyy.....even said that dai86 bought much more cheaper....then he ended up lowering his price.... laugh.gif

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QUOTE(inexsis @ Feb 5 2008, 03:45 AM)
wakakakakakak......i didnt open it.....already put sayur in it.... laugh.gif
is it safe for the torts if my room fan is at max speed and i live in 7th floor...soo constant cold air coming from window....kinda sejuk in my room....
is it ok for the torts ? or i need to cover the tank with sumthing so the cold air doesnt enter the tank ?
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i wonder wat's left in de selayang's aquarium shop ha?

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QUOTE(ekiddie @ Feb 5 2008, 09:31 AM)
i wonder wat's left in de selayang's aquarium shop ha?

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Yesterday, I have thoughts of getting a Star to befriend my lonely Sam. Wanted to go to the selayang aquarium to sapu. But unfortunately I didn't know the exact location, so didn't go a buy

If I really go inexsis will be disappointed tongue.gif Anyway, good for him to get them

Ya, so inexsis how many left? Any more nice tortoise/turtle there?
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i feels like buying a turtle to celebrate cny lar... hahaaa! wonder what's nice to buy? hehe...

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QUOTE(ekiddie @ Feb 5 2008, 10:18 AM)
i feels like buying a turtle to celebrate cny lar... hahaaa! wonder what's nice to buy? hehe...

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The big head turtle in Pets Safari la rclxms.gif
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hahaa! i saw tat... but to me... i doesn't like it much... it's ugly! hahaaa!

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QUOTE(inexsis @ Feb 5 2008, 03:45 AM)
wakakakakakak......i didnt open it.....already put sayur in it.... laugh.gif
is it safe for the torts if my room fan is at max speed and i live in 7th floor...soo constant cold air coming from window....kinda sejuk in my room....
is it ok for the torts ? or i need to cover the tank with sumthing so the cold air doesnt enter the tank ?
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just measure the humidity and temperature at different ends of your enclosure, at different times of the day. as long as the readings are within accepted range, you dont have to worry about anything.

having your first tortoise(s) you'll practically worry about everything.. just take the readings and you'll be fine. else you'll go bonkers worrying about every minor detail LOL

QUOTE(dzi921 @ Feb 5 2008, 09:36 AM)
Yesterday, I have thoughts of getting a Star to befriend my lonely Sam. Wanted to go to the selayang aquarium to sapu. But unfortunately I didn't know the exact location, so didn't go a buy

If I really go inexsis will be disappointed  tongue.gif  Anyway, good for him to get them

Ya, so inexsis how many left? Any more nice tortoise/turtle there?
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yesterday i went they have one baby star, some common snappers, and some baby snake necks. however, they didn't bother of removing the dead specimens. not a good sign if you ask me.

QUOTE(ekiddie @ Feb 5 2008, 10:24 AM)
hahaa! i saw tat... but to me... i doesn't like it much... it's ugly! hahaaa!

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New member reporting in! (after 11th pages of V3 sweat.gif )

Just bought my niece a star last weekend. Bought it from Selayang Baru shop (i don't know whether this is the shop you guys were saying about) but the shop have all kind of exotic animals. Saw 2 big ally and long neck there, monkeys, birds, marine fishes (this tow key is all rounder man!!) Also there is an alligator (or is it crocodile) in the shop!! drool.gif drool.gif

BTW, last night went to PS Ikano to find basking lamp for the star . Luckily the staff there quite friendly and he guide me to buy which kind of bulb. plus there is 1 guy (customer there) also give piece of advice on the bulb. sweat.gif sweat.gif


here it is (dont know the gender yet, and no name yet)


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BTW, how long should i puts on the heat lamp? during the night i bring the tortise into my room (fully aircond, set to 23deg temp) so i puts on the lamp for whole night. Day time im not that worry because my maid will help me to let the star out for sunlight (also for my niece to play with)


notworthy.gif notworthy.gif notworthy.gif ***Sila beri tunjuk ajar!!** notworthy.gif notworthy.gif notworthy.gif


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just a reminder.

after the recent announcement of stricter trade laws of wildlife, seems that everyone is rushing to buy new tortoise/turtles.

just be sure that you are well prepared (mentally, financially, responsibility, socially, etc). too much pets at one go will be quite overwhelming.

cheers

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QUOTE(teewai @ Feb 5 2008, 10:55 AM)
New member reporting in! (after 11th pages of V3  sweat.gif  ) 

Just bought my niece a star last weekend. Bought it from Selayang Baru shop (i don't know whether this is the shop you guys were saying about) but the shop have all kind of exotic animals. Saw 2 big ally and long neck there, monkeys, birds, marine fishes (this tow key is all rounder man!!) Also there is an alligator (or is it crocodile) in the shop!!  drool.gif  drool.gif

BTW, last night went to PS Ikano to find basking lamp for the star . Luckily the staff there quite friendly and he guide me to buy which kind of bulb. plus there is 1 guy (customer there) also give piece of advice on the bulb.  sweat.gif  sweat.gif
here it is (dont know the gender yet, and no name yet)
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BTW, how long should i puts on the heat lamp? during the night i bring the tortise into my room (fully aircond, set to 23deg temp) so i puts on the lamp for whole night. Day time im not that worry because my maid will help me to let the star out  for sunlight (also for my niece to play with)
notworthy.gif  notworthy.gif  notworthy.gif  ***Sila beri tunjuk ajar!!** notworthy.gif  notworthy.gif  notworthy.gif
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QUOTE(sayasebuk @ Feb 5 2008, 10:56 AM)
just a reminder.

after the recent announcement of stricter trade laws of star tortoise, seems that everyone is rushing to buy new tortoise/turtles.

just be sure that you are well prepared (mentally, financially, responsibility, socially, etc). too much pets at one go will be quite overwhelming.

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I wonder Sulcata & Leopard is under the same trade law?
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QUOTE(sayasebuk @ Feb 5 2008, 10:56 AM)
just a reminder.

after the recent announcement of stricter trade laws of star tortoise, seems that everyone is rushing to buy new tortoise/turtles.

just be sure that you are well prepared (mentally, financially, responsibility, socially, etc). too much pets at one go will be quite overwhelming.

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International Trade in Endangered Species Act 2007 (Flora and Fauna).. figure that.

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dont put in aircon la bro...walao.. shakehead.gif
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QUOTE(dzi921 @ Feb 5 2008, 12:08 PM)
Have to be careful ya and remember your tortoise is outside under the sun. We have heard many cases where the tortoise died cause too long under the hot sun
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Just a correction on your statement "where the tortoise died cause too long under the hot sun" too long in the sun wont kill anything just that under direct sunlight with nowhere to go will kill it be it Tortoise or any living things !!!

Just povide a hide so that it can choose to hide away if it get too hot !!!

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teewai... not recommended to put ur star in a/c... it's best on norm temp...

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icon_rolleyes.gif icon_rolleyes.gif all points noted!!

Did called home just now to make sure that my maid did used the drift wood that i provide for the star whenever she let the tortoise out...it will be a good shelter for the star....

was thinking to put a rack at the 2nd living room upstairs so i can place the tank there....
after all my wife had warned me that she don't want to see any tortoise inside the bedroom when she came back this wednesday doh.gif doh.gif (even i bribe her with a new "corner litter pan" for her bunny she still say "NO TORTOISE IN THE ROOM!" ) ..... but then again from your inputs it is bad to put the star in airconded room so i guess wife will be very pleased to see the star inside the living room rclxms.gif rclxms.gif


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QUOTE(teewai @ Feb 5 2008, 11:47 AM)
icon_rolleyes.gif  icon_rolleyes.gif  all points noted!!

Did called home just now to make sure that my maid did used the drift wood that i provide for the star whenever she let the tortoise out...it will be a good shelter for the star....

was thinking to put a rack at the 2nd living room upstairs so i can place the tank there....
after all my wife had warned me that she don't want to see any tortoise inside the bedroom when she came back this wednesday  doh.gif  doh.gif  (even i bribe her with a new "corner litter pan" for her bunny she still say "NO TORTOISE IN THE ROOM!" ) ..... but then again from your inputs it is bad to put the star in airconded room so i guess wife will be very pleased to see the star inside the living room  rclxms.gif  rclxms.gif
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Madagascar - the Tortoise Tour
http://www.bluechameleon.org/2006%20Jan-Fe...%20Part%201.htm
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I came across this advert and this guy is selling it at RM8k... Wow

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I'm curious to have a look
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QUOTE(dzi921 @ Feb 5 2008, 01:47 PM)
Nice link !! Enjoyed it a lot !!

Just for your information that the article was in MAY 2007 REPTILES magazine


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I came across this advert and this guy is selling it at RM8k... Wow

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I'm curious to have a look
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You should have check them out early last year ( 2007 ) similar size specimen selling for around the RM 5 K mark only !!!

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QUOTE(SAMPERTH @ Feb 5 2008, 02:05 PM)
You should have check them out early last year ( 2007 ) similar size specimen selling for around the RM 5 K mark only !!!
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Is this species the most expensive species? Why is it so expensive?
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QUOTE(inexsis @ Feb 5 2008, 03:45 AM)
wakakakakakak......i didnt open it.....already put sayur in it.... laugh.gif
is it safe for the torts if my room fan is at max speed and i live in 7th floor...soo constant cold air coming from window....kinda sejuk in my room....
is it ok for the torts ? or i need to cover the tank with sumthing so the cold air doesnt enter the tank ?
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New member reporting in! (after 11th pages of V3  sweat.gif  ) 

Just bought my niece a star last weekend. Bought it from Selayang Baru shop (i don't know whether this is the shop you guys were saying about) but the shop have all kind of exotic animals. Saw 2 big ally and long neck there, monkeys, birds, marine fishes (this tow key is all rounder man!!) Also there is an alligator (or is it crocodile) in the shop!!  drool.gif  drool.gif

BTW, last night went to PS Ikano to find basking lamp for the star . Luckily the staff there quite friendly and he guide me to buy which kind of bulb. plus there is 1 guy (customer there) also give piece of advice on the bulb.  sweat.gif  sweat.gif
here it is (dont know the gender yet, and no name yet)
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BTW, how long should i puts on the heat lamp? during the night i bring the tortise into my room (fully aircond, set to 23deg temp) so i puts on the lamp for whole night. Day time im not that worry because my maid will help me to let the star out  for sunlight (also for my niece to play with)
notworthy.gif  notworthy.gif  notworthy.gif  ***Sila beri tunjuk ajar!!** notworthy.gif  notworthy.gif  notworthy.gif
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QUOTE(dzi921 @ Feb 5 2008, 12:43 PM)
I think bedrooms are not meant for any pets. Not too hygiene
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Is this species the most expensive species? Why is it so expensive?
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Exp - endangered - rare - limited - trend

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QUOTE(teewai @ Feb 5 2008, 10:55 AM)
Just bought my niece a star last weekend. Bought it from Selayang Baru shop (i don't know whether this is the shop you guys were saying about) but the shop have all kind of exotic animals. Saw 2 big ally and long neck there, monkeys, birds, marine fishes (this tow key is all rounder man!!) Also there is an alligator (or is it crocodile) in the shop!!  drool.gif  drool.gif
teewai... where is tis selayang baru shop tat u said ha? can gip directions to it? izzit de same as dai86 and de others talked about as i can't figure out where it is as i'm not very familiar wif selayang...

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Pets Safari got 4 elongated tortoise and 1 big unknown species (looks like sulcata)

The elongated tortoise seems cheap. The price tag on the tank was RM500/each. Around 5 to 7 inch


Added on February 5, 2008, 9:48 pmThe big head turtle is RM650. Looks quite cute leh...

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QUOTE(dzi921 @ Feb 5 2008, 09:47 PM)
Pets Safari got 4 elongated tortoise and 1 big unknown species (looks like sulcata)

The elongated tortoise seems cheap. The price tag on the tank was RM500/each. Around 5 to 7 inch


Added on February 5, 2008, 9:48 pmThe big head turtle is RM650. Looks quite cute leh...
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elongated as in Indotestudo Elongata?
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QUOTE(sayasebuk @ Feb 5 2008, 11:10 PM)
elongated as in Indotestudo Elongata?
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Anyone been to

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The Live Turtle and Tortoise Museum @ Singapore

http://www.turtle-tortoise.com/exhibits01.html
http://www.turtle-tortoise.com/profile02.html

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QUOTE(dzi921 @ Feb 6 2008, 01:02 AM)
Anyone been to

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The Live Turtle and Tortoise Museum @ Singapore

http://www.turtle-tortoise.com/exhibits01.html
http://www.turtle-tortoise.com/profile02.html
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QUOTE(uzairi @ Feb 6 2008, 02:14 AM)
Not sure if anyone went there before. hmm.gif
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Many species available on display ( including dead one LOL)

Not one of the best place to see our beloved species ie chelonian suffer in dirty , small enclosure !!!
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QUOTE(dzi921 @ Feb 5 2008, 09:47 PM)
Pets Safari got 4 elongated tortoise and 1 big unknown species (looks like sulcata)

The elongated tortoise seems cheap. The price tag on the tank was RM500/each. Around 5 to 7 inch


Added on February 5, 2008, 9:48 pmThe big head turtle is RM650. Looks quite cute leh...
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i think they got 4 elongata and 2 emy emys last saturday IINM.


Added on February 6, 2008, 8:40 amemy emys rm550 each

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QUOTE(mamba @ Feb 6 2008, 08:40 AM)
i think they got 4 elongata at rm200each and 2 emy emys at rm550 last saturday IINM.


Added on February 6, 2008, 8:40 amemy emys rm550 each
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Wah.. The elongata so cheap ah? It looks big
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yup, elongata is better & SUMTIMES cheaper (wild caught specimen i think) than star.they are locals so its easier to take care.still there is responsibility.MHO though. smile.gif
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QUOTE(ekiddie @ Feb 5 2008, 09:05 PM)
teewai... where is tis selayang baru shop tat u said ha? can gip directions to it? izzit de same as dai86 and de others talked about as i can't figure out where it is as i'm not very familiar wif selayang...

wink.gif
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i dont remember the name but this is some map i tried to sketch it for you. (but let me warn you this shop punye price a little expensie!! rclxub.gif rclxub.gif )

(disclaimer : I dont have any share nor associate with this shop/towkey)

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i know this shop..they got emys also..
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QUOTE(teewai @ Feb 6 2008, 11:12 AM)
i dont remember the name but this is some map i tried to sketch it for you. (but let me warn you this shop punye price a little expensie!! rclxub.gif  rclxub.gif )

(disclaimer : I dont have any share nor associate with this shop/towkey)

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Wow. Thanks smile.gif
Will take a look after CNY

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Based on wiki

Elongata is Endangered and Radiated is Vulnerable

So how come Elongata is cheaper?

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QUOTE(dzi921 @ Feb 6 2008, 12:38 PM)
Based on wiki

Elongata is Endangered and Radiated is Vulnerable

So how come Elongata is cheaper?

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WC animals will always be cheaper especially local species ( Elongata can be found in Malaysia too ) !!!

Radiated are more expensive due to 2 other factors
- Demand as pets
- Listed on CITES I
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hahaaa! thanks for de detailly map teewai... appreciate tat...

happy chinese mouse new year to all! (remember not to feed any mice to ur turts as this year is their year... at least not on de first day... hahaaa! tongue.gif )

njoy!

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Happy CNY all!!!!
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happy2.....chinese new year~~~~~
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all de petshops today are celebrating cny! hahaaa! de turts and torts too hor... hehe... it's alwiz so darn hot on de first day of cny... every year is de same... isK!

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I'm now at hometown... missed my SAM
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anyone here know where i can get digital hygrometer beside petsafari n natural aquatic ?


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beware all my TTT friends......
i dont know what will happen if they found out if "sumone" got almost 1000 radiata in backyard of their home tongue.gif tongue.gif

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You all aware of this?
A company at Puchong

Chitra chitra
http://www.chitrachitra.com/morphology.htm
http://www.chitrachitra.com/breeding.htm
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chitra chitra...im living in puchong tongue.gif so where issit?
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the shop that teewai went is different with the shop i refer to you guys. haha... the shop i refer u guys is at selayang utama/jaya there...
btw, i think there is some problem with the map. it seems so 'mixed up'. huh... fainted to see the map. haha....


Added on February 10, 2008, 1:20 amoh ya, yesterday found out that my new star get 'running nose'. scared me. i put her for sun bath the whole day (of course not direct sun light lah) with a bow of water which she can 'dive' in, and guess what? she recover from tat! huh... thank god~


Added on February 10, 2008, 1:22 ammmmm... wanna ask. can give stars eat aloe vera?

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QUOTE(kaseinogen @ Feb 3 2008, 06:24 AM)
this is the picture of big headed turtles

Added on February 3, 2008, 5:25 amemm today i got my 12th spesies...fly river terrapin...hehehehehehe...so happyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy.... rclxm9.gif rclxm9.gif
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Curious about which 12 species you are keeping ? Do you mind telling us ?
How big enclosure you giving them or you mixing certain species in one ?

Thanks in advance


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emmmm this is my ttt spp list...very looking fwd to show the pic but dont have digital cam...huhuhu\
1) 2 RES
2) 2 Common Snaping Turtles
3) 2 Malayan Box turtles
4) 2 long-neck turtles
5) 2 Yellow bellie turtle
6) 2 Reeve's turtles
7) 2 Pig-nose terrapins
8) 2 chinese soft shelled terrapin
9) 2 star tortoise
10) 1 asian leaf turtle
11) 1 indonesia spiny hill turtle
12) 2 black kampung turtle(his face got white spot n look like smiling)(dont know wat it call)
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ok...see u again guys...

long live ttt....................
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QUOTE(kaseinogen @ Feb 10 2008, 04:26 AM)
SAMPERTH

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QUOTE(kaseinogen @ Feb 3 2008, 06:24 AM)
this is the picture of big headed turtles

Added on February 3, 2008, 5:25 amemm today i got my 12th spesies...fly river terrapin...hehehehehehe...so happyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy.... rclxm9.gif  rclxm9.gif
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Curious about which 12 species you are keeping ? Do you mind telling us ?
How big enclosure you giving them or you mixing certain species in one ?

Thanks in advance
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emmmm this is my ttt spp list...very looking fwd to show the pic but dont have digital cam...huhuhu\
1) 2 RES
2) 2 Common Snaping Turtles
3) 2 Malayan Box turtles
4) 2 long-neck turtles
5) 2 Yellow bellie turtle
6) 2 Reeve's turtles
7) 2 Pig-nose terrapins
8) 2 chinese soft shelled terrapin
9) 2 star tortoise
10) 1 asian leaf turtle
11) 1 indonesia spiny hill turtle
12) 2 black kampung turtle(his face got white spot n look like smiling)(dont know wat it call)
\

ok...see u again guys...

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They are called Malayan Black Mud Turtle (Siebenrockiella Crassicollis). smile.gif
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QUOTE(sirius.fighter @ Feb 10 2008, 12:52 AM)
hello everybody . New member report in together with my 5 stars.  biggrin.gif  tongue.gif

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Wow smile.gif Nice

Did you just purchase them? or long ago?

QUOTE(NewbieBetta @ Feb 10 2008, 12:59 AM)
chitra chitra...im living in puchong  tongue.gif so where issit?
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WACO EXOTIC REPTILE ENTERPRISE
No.15 JALAN TEMPUA
PUCHONG JAYA
47100 PUCHONG SELANGOR
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QUOTE(sirius.fighter @ Feb 10 2008, 12:52 AM)
hello everybody . New member report in together with my 5 stars.  biggrin.gif  tongue.gif

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hello sirius~~~~
finally u came here..... rclxms.gif rclxms.gif
welcome2 to TTT family thumbup.gif thumbup.gif
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QUOTE(kaseinogen @ Feb 10 2008, 05:26 AM)
SAMPERTH


emmmm this is my ttt spp list...very looking fwd to show the pic but dont have digital cam...huhuhu\
1) 2 RES
2) 2 Common Snaping Turtles
3) 2 Malayan Box turtles
4) 2 long-neck turtles
5) 2 Yellow bellie turtle
6) 2 Reeve's turtles
7) 2 Pig-nose terrapins
8) 2 chinese soft shelled terrapin
9) 2 star tortoise
10) 1 asian leaf turtle
11) 1 indonesia spiny hill turtle
12) 2 black kampung turtle(his face got white spot n look like smiling)(dont know wat it call)
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ok...see u again guys...

long live ttt....................
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QUOTE(dzi921 @ Feb 9 2008, 01:15 AM)
You all aware of this?
A company at Puchong

Chitra chitra
http://www.chitrachitra.com/morphology.htm
http://www.chitrachitra.com/breeding.htm
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They use to be based out of Johore !!!

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Wow smile.gif Nice

Did you just purchase them? or long ago?
the bigger 4 i feed for more than 2years n the smaller about 6months. biggrin.gif


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QUOTE(inexsis @ Feb 10 2008, 12:21 PM)
hello sirius~~~~
finally u came here.....  rclxms.gif  rclxms.gif
welcome2 to TTT family thumbup.gif  thumbup.gif
thumbup.gif nice to meet all.

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thanx uzairi for ur info..

hmmmm..samperth,what spp did u have???just want to know...hehehe
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QUOTE(kaseinogen @ Feb 11 2008, 04:35 AM)
thanx uzairi for ur info..

hmmmm..samperth,what spp did u have???just want to know...hehehe
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I have too many to list but many not with me anymore after I moved to Australia !

Used to have more than 100 of them spaning over 20+ species !! Will start cllecting them when I move back Malaysia in a couple of years !!

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QUOTE(dzi921 @ Feb 10 2008, 08:48 AM)
WACO EXOTIC REPTILE ENTERPRISE
No.15 JALAN TEMPUA
PUCHONG JAYA
47100 PUCHONG SELANGOR
MALAYSIA
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their farm is in johor and they are not interested in selling to individuals, only wholesales.

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QUOTE(SAMPERTH @ Feb 11 2008, 06:45 AM)
I have too many to list but many not with me anymore after I moved to Australia !

Used to have more than 100 of them spaning over 20+ species !! Will start cllecting them when I move  back Malaysia in a couple of years !!
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i have 1 question too all old timer....sifu....otai of TTT...... notworthy.gif notworthy.gif
can u all give me advice on how too kept a balance level of humidity in a tank...?
and.... what to do if the tank humidity level is too high... ? how to reduce it.... ?

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QUOTE(inexsis @ Feb 12 2008, 09:36 PM)
i have 1 question too all old timer....sifu....otai of TTT...... notworthy.gif  notworthy.gif
can u all give me advice on how too kept a balance level of humidity in a tank...?
and.... what to do if the tank humidity level is too high... ? how to reduce it.... ?

thanks~~~~  icon_question.gif  icon_question.gif
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- Change a different type of substrate ie. saw dust , wood chip , paper pellets

- Avoid water dish inside enclosure

- Use a bigger enclosure

- Use a dehumifier to decrease humidity

- Use a bigger wattage basking light ie. 120 W ,150 W or more ( place it higher or else temp will rise too high )
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QUOTE(SAMPERTH @ Feb 12 2008, 09:26 PM)
- Change a different type of substrate ie. saw dust , wood chip , paper pellets

- Avoid water dish inside enclosure

-  Use a bigger enclosure

- Use a dehumifier to decrease humidity

- Use a bigger wattage basking light ie. 120 W ,150 W or more ( place it higher or else temp will rise too high )
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dehumifier ? where i can find it ? how much does it cost ?
any a pic ? if have one...show me~~~~
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Bro, Thirsty Hippo is an example of a dehumidifier.
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uzairi... my turn to have something to ask u... in tis coOL pic of urs ar...

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how can u manage to keep it's carapace so clean? u scrub it often? and is ur snapper's tank water level din cover de snapper's carapace? is tis better for snappers?

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Bro, Thirsty Hippo is an example of a dehumidifier.
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ok laaa..... seems sihat for me.....n hyperactive.....
i got both for rm210...  tongue.gif
i bargain like crazyyyy.....even said that dai86 bought much more cheaper....then he ended up lowering his price.... laugh.gif

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i have 1 question too all old timer....sifu....otai of TTT...... notworthy.gif  notworthy.gif
can u all give me advice on how too kept a balance level of humidity in a tank...?
and.... what to do if the tank humidity level is too high... ? how to reduce it.... ?

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How high is the said humidity ? by the look at your setting - Paper pellets , basking light ..etc

Your enclosure's humidity wont get over 60 % I think , even on rainy days unless your tank is placed near an opened window ( cool air coming in ) !!


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QUOTE(SAMPERTH @ Feb 13 2008, 07:58 AM)
How high is the said humidity ? by the look at your setting - Paper pellets , basking light ..etc

Your enclosure's humidity wont get over 60 % I think , even on rainy days unless your tank is placed near an opened window ( cool air coming in ) !!
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i put my torts outside when i'm at home.....no place to put inside....
btw...i'm using analog hygrometer n thermometer....
many people already told me that analog 1 is not accurate and i'm trying to buy a digital 1.....
but cant find any. at pets safari already sold out.....now still searching for 1.....aihhh....got a very2 bad luck in tiz hobby cry.gif cry.gif

my thermometer is at yellow entering red level....kinda gud for ST...but my hygrometer showing green entering blue level....not gud for ST.....
so i'm wandering...is the hygrometer is not accurate enough or my tank humidity level is high..... unsure.gif unsure.gif

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QUOTE(ekiddie @ Feb 12 2008, 10:53 PM)
uzairi... my turn to have something to ask u... in tis coOL pic of urs ar...

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how can u manage to keep it's carapace so clean? u scrub it often? and is ur snapper's tank water level din cover de snapper's carapace? is tis better for snappers?

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Yup, mine. How to make it clean ? Just put a Powerhead Top Filter is enough to make it clean. About the water level, the pic was taken when i relocated him that day. The water in his tank is 4x his height. Hope that clears your doubt.

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u have tried it bfore ? is it working ?
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i put my torts outside when i'm at home.....no place to put inside....
btw...i'm using analog hygrometer n thermometer....
many people already told me that analog 1 is not accurate and i'm trying to buy a digital 1.....
but cant find any. at pets safari already sold out.....now still searching for 1.....aihhh....got a very2 bad luck in tiz hobby  cry.gif  cry.gif

my thermometer is at yellow entering red level....kinda gud for ST...but my hygrometer showing green entering blue level....not gud for ST.....
so i'm wandering...is the hygrometer is not accurate enough or my tank humidity level is high..... unsure.gif  unsure.gif
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They are not accurate so better if you use a digital hygrometer. Some analog hygrometer might work but some might not.


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thx uzairi... and de carapace is all time in de water... what's de weight of ur snapper now i wonder... it looks huge... i'm oso wondering how u take it out? their neck can't get to turn to their side's carapace, rite?

neway... no doubt urs a nice ally wif nice ridges... thumbup.gif coOL!

o yah... how's de smaller ones? hehe...

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Just bought my Radiated Tortoise from Pets More Kepong (Carrefour)

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jurassic park ha? hahaaa! nice one dzi...

u saw tat radiated in kepong? whoa... u can recognized it well ha? hehe... coOL! well, guess de one u saw had been bought by our fren here d... rclxms.gif

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"Just bought my Radiated Tortoise from Pets More Kepong (Carrefour)"

As in buying it inside Carrefour? Or there is a Pet Shop name "Pets More" nearby?

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QUOTE(ekiddie @ Feb 13 2008, 09:18 PM)
thx uzairi... and de carapace is all time in de water... what's de weight of ur snapper now i wonder... it looks huge... i'm oso wondering how u take it out? their neck can't get to turn to their side's carapace, rite?

neway... no doubt urs a nice ally wif nice ridges...  thumbup.gif  coOL!

o yah... how's de smaller ones? hehe...

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QUOTE(zjei @ Feb 13 2008, 11:39 PM)
nice tortise fren...hw much u bought???last time i saw it at kepong oso...
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"Just bought my Radiated Tortoise from Pets More Kepong (Carrefour)"

As in buying it inside Carrefour? Or there is a Pet Shop name "Pets More" nearby?
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there's one more radiated there... go get it tortoise lover... hehe...

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there's one more radiated there... go get it tortoise lover... hehe...

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But the shell a bit kemek one side
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Madagascar's tortoises at high risk of extinction
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QUOTE(dzi921 @ Feb 14 2008, 09:44 AM)
Inside Carrefour building there are a lot of small units. Pets More is one of them
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there's one more radiated there... go get it tortoise lover... hehe...

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I have four pcs  baby yni but only two for sale .Size 6-7cm,eating.
good price 5k each. Only serious buyer.only contack thru e-mail by wipharat-new@hotmail.com


taken from http://www.petslover.com.my/viewtopic.php?t=791 ...........
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QUOTE(inexsis @ Feb 14 2008, 06:23 PM)
got other species ?
got ST there ? how much ?


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I have four pcs  baby yni but only two for sale .Size 6-7cm,eating.
good price 5k each. Only serious buyer.only contack thru e-mail by wipharat-new@hotmail.com


taken from http://www.petslover.com.my/viewtopic.php?t=791 ...........
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I don't think there are other species in Pets More Carrefour

Just now I left Pets More Desa Park City. They have one baby Star. Very lonely. Kesian

I'm interested in the yni, but have not read much about it. Guess I'll spend sometime first before making a move. For it's size, is the RM5k reasonable price or overpriced?


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Tortoise smuggling racket busted
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Police recovered five sacks filled with tortoises, they said, adding some of them were Star tortoises, which is a rare species.
How rare are they ?? They have being " exported" out of their country by the thousand for so long !! And you can still see hatchlings being offered

Just go to Jalan Pasar - just a few months ago each store can be seen offering them by the tank-ful( few dozen a tank )



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These tortoises are first smuggled to Bengal and from there to countries like Indonesia and Malaysia, where they are sold at exorbitant prices.


How exorbitant are the price
Hatchlings fetching RM 50 a pc retail ( less than USD 15)
3inch RM 100 a pc (USD 30 )

Why dont the article mention countries like USA, EU , JAPAN , Taiwan where Indian star are sold at USD 300 or more


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The tortoises fetch big money because they are used in the making of some medicines and also because some people in these countries eat them.
So everyone of you in the forum come clean , which one of you guys / gals buy them to eat LOL

My thoughts when reading such articles ( regarding " endangered" wildlife written elsewhere , locally and with motives ) mostly contain makeup bull shit with only a small portion of facts


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I don't think there are other species in Pets More Carrefour

Just now I left Pets More Desa Park City. They have one baby Star. Very lonely. Kesian

I'm interested in the yni, but have not read much about it. Guess I'll spend sometime first before making a move. For it's size, is the RM5k reasonable price or overpriced?
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5 k is very cheap compared these past months

5 k is end 2006 to early 2007 pricing !!!

How do you think these Yni come into our shores ( CB locally or CITES papered export ) after you posted so many articles regarding their " status" back home in Madagascar , you still intend to support this trade by wanting to get one ? ?

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QUOTE(SAMPERTH @ Feb 15 2008, 05:23 AM)
5 k is very cheap compared these past months

5 k is end 2006 to early 2007 pricing !!!

How do you think these Yni come into our shores ( CB locally or CITES papered export ) after you posted so many articles regarding their " status" back home in Madagascar , you still intend to support this trade by wanting to get one ? ?
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After thinking it over, I guess I'll not buy

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Traffic's guidebook to identify illegal turtle trade
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After thinking it over, I guess I'll not buy

I'm planning on getting my first pet dog instead
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If I am you , and can afford it or them all I will buy no matter what As they are getting harder and harder to get unless more people are breeding them !!
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I feel bad about these lovely creatures. I feel that we should no create a glut by purchasing so many it will cause their demand to surge. After all the best place for them is their natural habitat. If you want to raise then i think 1 or 2 is enough.
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QUOTE(killdavid @ Feb 15 2008, 07:01 PM)
I feel bad about these lovely creatures. I feel that we should no create a glut by purchasing so many it will cause their demand to surge. After all the best place for them is their natural habitat. If you want to raise then i think 1 or 2 is enough.
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Buying many with breeding them in mind , I am all in for that !!

But how many of their so call natural habitat still stand , may I ask ? Not many from what I understand !!
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QUOTE(killdavid @ Feb 15 2008, 06:01 PM)
I feel bad about these lovely creatures. I feel that we should no create a glut by purchasing so many it will cause their demand to surge. After all the best place for them is their natural habitat. If you want to raise then i think 1 or 2 is enough.
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raise one or two? THAT IS ONE OF THE BIGGEST CONTRIBUTING FACTORS TO EXTINCTION.

if everyone decides to keep one or two without any captive breeding initiatives, the turtles would die in vain without having any successors to their genes.

only serious keepers which keep many turtles of the same species can help in the cause.

natural habitat is just a sorry excuse for prime harvesting ground, period.

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Agree with sam and camillenoir, some people think they should be left alone in the wild but its totally wrong. In fact in the wild their numbers are declining fast because of deforestation etc etc.

Something a friend made for the election fever.
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wow!that was cool..ttt party!yeah..long live ttt..then our country will turn to ttt paradise..hehehe..ttt everywhere and every house must breed 1 species of ttt.. tongue.gif
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QUOTE(uzairi @ Feb 16 2008, 03:06 AM)
Agree with sam and camillenoir, some people think they should be left alone in the wild but its totally wrong. In fact in the wild their numbers are declining fast because of deforestation etc etc.

Something a friend made for the election fever.
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once upon a time ago, leaving them alone in the wild does equate to their survival

but now, leaving them alone is no different than being completely ignorant

just an excuse to not do anything

my personal opinion

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QUOTE(uzairi @ Feb 16 2008, 03:06 AM)
Agree with sam and camillenoir, some people think they should be left alone in the wild but its totally wrong. In fact in the wild their numbers are declining fast because of deforestation etc etc.

Something a friend made for the election fever.
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u vote pedo bear la uzari....kamon man~~~~ tongue.gif tongue.gif
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congratz on the new babies bro!
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congratz on the new baby~~~~ rclxms.gif rclxms.gif rclxms.gif


Added on February 17, 2008, 9:34 pmis it normal for ST to have dried skin(kulit menggelupas) ?

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the baby is so cute. haha..... congratulaion..
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new member adding to my star collection.....juz bought it tiz evening...............at 88mart....

1. the biggest....3.7inch

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uzairi,what spp are the baby turtle???
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Thanks for the wishes.

About the baby spp, its Asian Giant Pond Turtle (H.Grandis).
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coloration is very different from mine, confirmed different bloodline.

remember to spare a couple for me smile.gif

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want to ask.....are uvb light is for the torts to know its a day or night ?
because....i open my uva and uvb at nite only.......when i opened it.....
all my torts became active n starting moving around and eat everything on the food plate.
but when enough 8 hour...i off the light...they sleep till i open it back.......is tis natural or because of the light ?
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want to ask.....are uvb light is for the torts to know its a day or night ?
because....i open my uva and uvb at nite only.......when i opened it.....
all my torts became active n starting moving around and eat everything on the food plate.
but when enough 8 hour...i off the light...they sleep till i open it back.......is tis natural or because of the light ?
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it's because of the light. they become confused and think that it is daytime.

that's why it is best to imitate the actual photoperiod. use a timer. you can find cheap ones at carrefour. costs below RM15
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QUOTE(sayasebuk @ Feb 19 2008, 02:24 AM)
it's because of the light. they become confused and think that it is daytime.

that's why it is best to imitate the actual photoperiod. use a timer. you can find cheap ones at carrefour. costs below RM15
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QUOTE(camillenoir @ Feb 18 2008, 08:10 PM)
are you sure no orlitias raped the grandis?  laugh.gif

coloration is very different from mine, confirmed different bloodline.

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QUOTE(anbusan @ Feb 19 2008, 10:07 PM)
I just got this one la can ka? ahaha belaan adik aku huhu

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QUOTE(camillenoir @ Feb 20 2008, 05:31 AM)
welcome.

you obviously need a bigger housing for those turtles (not enough depth) and certainly a bigger basking spot (that bridge is tad too small).
thanks to all of you who have made me feel so welcome here, I'll get a bigger housing for those turtles soonest. want to ask you about water should I put 3-4 inches water for those turtles?

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QUOTE(anbusan @ Feb 19 2008, 10:07 PM)
I just got this one la can ka? ahaha belaan adik aku huhu

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RES are highly aquatic, so dont worry about the water being too deep. but as a precaution for hatchlings, make sure there is a basking spot for them to rest on.


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xpaham.....what do u mean by that ?  unsure.gif  unsure.gif
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you can just google the termla

basically photoperiod just means the length of time of exposure to light,
actual photoperiod means daytime la. so any 8 hours between dawn to dusk is ok.
i turn on mine from 9.30 to 5.30

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QUOTE(sayasebuk @ Feb 20 2008, 10:14 AM)
welcome!! frankly you ARE at home. most of us here nowadays only keep RES too.

RES are highly aquatic, so dont worry about the water being too deep. but as a precaution for hatchlings, make sure there is a basking spot for them to rest on.
ooo before this I just put little water for those turtles hehe then I read on first page that said should put enough water about 3-4 inches for them to swim. erk about food can give kangkung or sawi too eh? I just give them pallet for feed.
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i just left irene and i must say i'm impressed with the collection they have for sale

Do u guys know that they have more tortoises upstairs?

I think they have 13 star tortoise around 3 inch for sale, few big star, few leopard, few redfoot, few radiata, 1 sulcata, 1 pancake, 1 elongated, 2 matamata, few other types of turtle that i dont know off

The stars they have upstairs looks healthty. They just polished then, so it all looked beautiful and clean
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QUOTE(dzi921 @ Feb 20 2008, 04:27 PM)
i just left irene and i must say i'm impressed with the collection they have for sale

Do u guys know that they have more tortoises upstairs?

I think they have 13 star tortoise around 3 inch for sale, few big star, few leopard, few redfoot, few radiata, 1 sulcata, 1 pancake, 1 elongated, 2 matamata, few other types of turtle that i dont know off

The stars they have upstairs looks healthty. They just polished then, so it all looked beautiful and clean
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yep2...they juz opened upstair section....still new n kosong......but got lot of tortoise
when i was looking for star...i'm afraid to buy from them...many people told me...many animal in the shop not healthy oooo....
the last time i was there....their star mostly got RNS....larger star only healthier....but expensive laa~~~ tongue.gif

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QUOTE(inexsis @ Feb 20 2008, 06:10 PM)
yep2...they juz opened upstair section....still new n kosong......but got lot of tortoise
when i was looking for star...i'm afraid to buy from them...many people told me...many animal in the shop not healthy oooo....
the last time i was there....their star mostly got RNS....larger star only healthier....but expensive laa~~~  tongue.gif
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The upstairs is now full of aquariums for sale

They sell dogs, rabbits, hedgehog and hamster there too

Today from what I saw, the tortoises upstairs looks healthy and is quite beautiful. I think can buy gua

But the downstairs one doesn't look that healthy
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Some new videos (shot from N82 - quality tak bagus)

Sam (Feeding Time)


Sam (Walking Time)


Sam (Stroked on the head)

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QUOTE(dzi921 @ Feb 20 2008, 04:27 PM)
i just left irene and i must say i'm impressed with the collection they have for sale

Do u guys know that they have more tortoises upstairs?

I think they have 13 star tortoise around 3 inch for sale, few big star, few leopard, few redfoot, few radiata, 1 sulcata, 1 pancake, 1 elongated, 2 matamata, few other types of turtle that i dont know off

The stars they have upstairs looks healthty. They just polished then, so it all looked beautiful and clean
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will definitely go for a visit then
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QUOTE(anbusan @ Feb 20 2008, 01:12 PM)
ooo before this I just put little water for those turtles hehe then I read on first page that said should put enough water about 3-4 inches for them to swim. erk about food can give kangkung or sawi too eh? I just give them pallet for feed.
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kangkung and sawi is better for them compared to pellets.

QUOTE(dzi921 @ Feb 20 2008, 10:20 PM)
Some new videos (shot from N82 - quality tak bagus)

Sam (Feeding Time)


Sam (Walking Time)


Sam (Stroked on the head)

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"SAM" is really active LOL!
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QUOTE(uzairi @ Feb 21 2008, 01:37 AM)
"SAM" is really active LOL!
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Must have got used to me harassing him nearly everyday biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(dzi921 @ Feb 21 2008, 11:57 AM)
Must have got used to me harassing him nearly everyday  biggrin.gif
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what kind of harassing that is ? unsure.gif unsure.gif unsure.gif
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Added on February 21, 2008, 3:42 pmwoooo...got many kind of TTT this guy selling... -> many kind of TTT for sale
is the price is ok ?
aiyoooo....if got money...sure will buy....my next mission is to get atleast 1 radiated torts in near future thumbup.gif
wish me luck !!!! rclxub.gif rclxub.gif

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QUOTE(inexsis @ Feb 21 2008, 03:34 PM)
what kind of harassing that is ?  unsure.gif  unsure.gif  unsure.gif
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Added on February 21, 2008, 3:42 pmwoooo...got many kind of TTT this guy selling... -> many kind of TTT for sale
is the price is ok ?
aiyoooo....if got money...sure will buy....my next mission is to get atleast 1 radiated torts in near future  thumbup.gif
wish me luck !!!!  rclxub.gif  rclxub.gif
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Sam now knows when is makan time.
Cause I on the basking light when feeding time only
So when I on the basking light, Sam will look up waiting for food
So when I put the food in, it will come to me. Can feed from hand already wub.gif

Since it is now active, I let it out more often already
It will roam around, exploring all the lubang lubang

One thing I noticed is that Sam will not eat uncut food (eg french beans, tomato). I have to cut into small small pieces that it can bite easily. Quite lazy

Ya inexsis, save money quick quick and buy Radiata. They are indeed beautiful and friendly. I believe price will increase very soon. Perhaps harder to buy once they start taking action from March onwards


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I think my Snapper is very traumatized but not enough to recognize and ignore me like Sam. She backs away under a log whenever she sees me. Why ar?
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QUOTE(dzi921 @ Feb 21 2008, 04:51 PM)
Sam now knows when is makan time.
Cause I on the basking light when feeding time only
So when I on the basking light, Sam will look up waiting for food
So when I put the food in, it will come to me. Can feed from hand already  wub.gif

Since it is now active, I let it out more often already
It will roam around, exploring all the lubang lubang

One thing I noticed is that Sam will not eat uncut food (eg french beans, tomato). I have to cut into small small pieces that it can bite easily. Quite lazy

Ya inexsis, save money quick quick and buy Radiata. They are indeed beautiful and friendly. I believe price will increase very soon. Perhaps harder to buy once they start taking action from March onwards
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i can only let my tortoise out when at home...now in college got no space looo......
radiated easy to take care then star ka ?

QUOTE(Jamien @ Feb 21 2008, 04:54 PM)
I think my Snapper is very traumatized but not enough to recognize and ignore me like Sam. She backs away under a log whenever she sees me. Why ar?
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mayb she's afraid u makan her kot laugh.gif
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QUOTE(Jamien @ Feb 21 2008, 04:54 PM)
I think my Snapper is very traumatized but not enough to recognize and ignore me like Sam. She backs away under a log whenever she sees me. Why ar?
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That is normal so dont worry, its their natural instinct to do so. More likely a safety precaution for them.
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I dont' have UV Lamp in my house, so i take my RES outside for at least an hour everyday in the morning. is this ok, or do i have to get her a lamp?....and one of my RES(female) won't eat and always sleep huhu what should I do?

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QUOTE(inexsis @ Feb 21 2008, 06:15 PM)
i can only let my tortoise out when at home...now in college got no space looo......
radiated easy to take care then star ka ?
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From what I read, radiated is more hardy and star have to be more cautious

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QUOTE(anbusan @ Feb 21 2008, 08:10 PM)
I dont' have UV Lamp in my house, so i take my RES outside for at least an hour everyday in the morning. is this ok, or do i have to get her a lamp?....and one of my RES(female) won't eat and always sleep huhu what should I do?
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If u can do that, its better coz natural sun is better compared to the UV lamp.
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QUOTE(uzairi @ Feb 21 2008, 06:30 PM)
That is normal so dont worry, its their natural instinct to do so. More likely a safety precaution for them.
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Hmmm... Will she be able to get over it? Because I can't wait for her to stop shrinking at the sight of me.

Maybe she really think I'll eat her. laugh.gif
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QUOTE(Jamien @ Feb 21 2008, 11:29 PM)
Hmmm... Will she be able to get over it? Because I can't wait for her to stop shrinking at the sight of me.

Maybe she really think I'll eat her.  laugh.gif
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So fast know is her liao ah? Have you got a name for her yet?

Anyway, how I made Sam to be more courageous is that I place it's habitat in the living room. Initial it will not move. Not an inch. But after some time, it got used to people keep walking around in the living room

But then I'm not too sure about your alli. Maybe different species has different character. I don't think you can play too much with it. Later bite. biggrin.gif
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She's pretty much like a piece of rock in water... sweat.gif I think it's a snapper thing. So far no biting antics yet. Maybe too young.

smile.gif Everyone just calls her lui lui since we are quite sure it's female. Maybe it'll be her permanent name.
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hehe..later if confirm male it become bapuk already tongue.gif

but nevermind..bapuk ally still ganas.
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QUOTE(dzi921 @ Feb 20 2008, 04:27 PM)
i just left irene and i must say i'm impressed with the collection they have for sale

Do u guys know that they have more tortoises upstairs?

I think they have 13 star tortoise around 3 inch for sale, few big star, few leopard, few redfoot, few radiata, 1 sulcata, 1 pancake, 1 elongated, 2 matamata, few other types of turtle that i dont know off

The stars they have upstairs looks healthty. They just polished then, so it all looked beautiful and clean
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can you please tell me where is the place? im thinking to add in 2 leopards for my collection... biggrin.gif thank you
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QUOTE(sirius.fighter @ Feb 23 2008, 01:10 AM)
can you please tell me where is the place? im thinking to add in 2 leopards for my collection... biggrin.gif thank you
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in ss2 petaling jaya.......near one utama or ikano power center(not that near la~~~) tongue.gif
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in ss2 petaling jaya.......near one utama or ikano power center(not that near la~~~) tongue.gif
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can draw me a details map please? biggrin.gif tongue.gif
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QUOTE(sirius.fighter @ Feb 23 2008, 01:10 AM)
can you please tell me where is the place? im thinking to add in 2 leopards for my collection... biggrin.gif thank you
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The leopards are adults. No price tagv

The map is as per below. You must at least know where is Computer War SS2 (same row as RHB bank SS2).

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QUOTE(sirius.fighter @ Feb 23 2008, 07:34 AM)
can draw me a details map please? biggrin.gif tongue.gif
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u can easily find the map in wikimapia......
click this link Wikimapia
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Guys... what is the good veggie to feed terrapin? wanna try to feed them veggie... cuz the pellet sometimes they dun wan to eat.. also it makes the water easily get dirty...

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If we were to mix some pellets as a diet to our star tortoise or radiated, actually which brand is recommended?

Also, to place them under sun, what time is good, and for how long per day? Require any shed to do so?
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QUOTE(Jamien @ Feb 21 2008, 11:29 PM)
Hmmm... Will she be able to get over it? Because I can't wait for her to stop shrinking at the sight of me.

Maybe she really think I'll eat her.  laugh.gif
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QUOTE(Jamien @ Feb 22 2008, 04:49 PM)
She's pretty much like a piece of rock in water... sweat.gif I think it's a snapper thing. So far no biting antics yet. Maybe too young.

smile.gif Everyone just calls her lui lui since we are quite sure it's female. Maybe it'll be her permanent name.
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That's normal for an ally snapper, so dont worry. And the ally is still small so its hard to distinguish whether its male or female.

QUOTE(mamba @ Feb 22 2008, 06:31 PM)
hehe..later if confirm male it become bapuk already tongue.gif

but nevermind..bapuk ally still ganas.
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tongue.gif LMAO

QUOTE(sirius.fighter @ Feb 23 2008, 01:10 AM)
can you please tell me where is the place? im thinking to add in 2 leopards for my collection... biggrin.gif thank you
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Please a thorough reading of their caresheet before getting them because they are very easy to get RNS. Prepare necessary stuff before getting them.

QUOTE(White Palace @ Feb 23 2008, 12:19 PM)
If we were to mix some pellets as a diet to our star tortoise or radiated, actually which brand is recommended?

Also, to place them under sun, what time is good, and for how long per day? Require any shed to do so?
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Exo Terra, Gex, JBL to name a few.
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QUOTE(dzi921 @ Feb 23 2008, 09:46 AM)
The leopards are adults. No price tagv

The map is as per below. You must at least know where is Computer War SS2 (same row as RHB bank SS2).

user posted image
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thanks thanks.. rclxms.gif but i still duno where is it..hehehe..


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u can easily find the map in wikimapia......
click this link  Wikimapia
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thanks.. rclxms.gif

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QUOTE(sirius.fighter @ Feb 25 2008, 11:22 AM)
thanks thanks.. rclxms.gif but i still duno where is it..hehehe..
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Time to buy GPS phone smile.gif
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is this vitamin product good for our TTT ?
any comment ?

Vitamin For Reptiles

sumone is importing these vitamins from US. if its gud....should we joint them to import these vitamins ? unsure.gif unsure.gif
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one of my RES turtle just died today huhu, I don't know why she won't eat and just sleep always... do you have any idea guys? I buy a male and female turtle at the same time and one of them(male) still alive and active.
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QUOTE(anbusan @ Feb 25 2008, 06:43 PM)
one of my RES turtle just died today huhu, I don't know why she won't eat and just sleep always... do you have any idea guys? I buy a male and female turtle at the same time and one of them(male) still alive and active.
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sad.gif RIP. Let's hope she's in a better place. I used to have RES too, 1 male 1 female, both very active and with me till 3 years (then got stolen).

hmm.gif The condition of your female turtle was like the condition of my Star before she passed away. She used to sleep all day except during feeding time. After feeding time, she'll go straight to sleep. And she used to eat so very little... Almost like didn't eat. According to the vet who attempted to treat my star, when you keep 2 TTT together, there's a hierarchy of sorts. The stronger one gets the better portion of food and the better basking spot, the better everything, sometimes leaving the weaker one deprived of the basic necessities it needs.

Also, its weak condition means that it has some sort of sickness. My star had an infection of some sort because the place we bought her from was not very clean. But the male star from the same place and bought at the same time is still ok lar.

My RES had deep swimming water space and a large basking rock where they can choose to bask any time of the day as long and often as they like without fighting. I tried basking them when the time suits me but they don't like it... So I moved their tank outside, and they became outdoor turtles but their health was superb and was more active than being indoors. Any sight of a person used to drive them into swimming frenzy. My family used to call them "hungry ghost". biggrin.gif Since they both ate like hungry ghost, neither one of them was deprived. sweat.gif I used to watch over them eating to make sure of that. They can finish a lot of food in very little time...

cry.gif I miss them a lot and hope they're ok, wherever they're stolen to.

smile.gif I also wish you luck with your remaining RES.

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haa I don't know why when my younger sister buy a female turtle she won't eat and always sleep, already seperate her from the others in the tank coz when feeding time she always sleep and I'm afraid she will never get her food...but finaly she passed away today huhu. cry.gif

your turtle got stolen ke? hoo sure you'll miss them, hope both of them still alive and healthy

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RIP

however, i'd like to ask: how do you distinguish the sex between those turtles?

the pic from your earlier post shows 3 small sized turtles, no visible sexual dimorphism in specimens of that size.
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QUOTE(camillenoir @ Feb 26 2008, 01:20 AM)
RIP

however, i'd like to ask: how do you distinguish the sex between those turtles?

the pic from your earlier post shows 3 small sized turtles, no visible sexual dimorphism in specimens of that size.
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Indonesian government moves to regulate turtle trade
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QUOTE(anbusan @ Feb 26 2008, 10:22 AM)
I read article about turtle that said we not be able to tell the gender of our turtle until it is 3 - 4 years old but my younger sister said, the seller tell her to see from pattern of the lower parts hehe don't know it's true or not... just a clue maybe
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That's what the seller said to me also when I got my RES. One of the gender's lower shell seems somewhat narrower than the other wan. ^^" Or maybe I'm just trying to see it a lot.
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camillenoir is right, even at 4" size its still 50/50 as the growth rate might differ in captivity.
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I have a question, my snapper is very small, like the picture i posted earlier. When I first bought her, she only eats 3 feeder fishes. After a while, she eats 5 fishes a day. Now she eats 5 fishes and still eats. Is it healthy to feed her so much? Should I let her eat as much as she can?
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Dont worry because it is still small and growing, so eating a lot is normal. Your ally snapper chase the fish or wait the fish to come to its mouth and snap it ?
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She usually waits and snaps the fish. When impatient, she will sometimes kinda lunge forward and snap the fish if it's close enough. ^^" But happens rarely. So I let her eat as much as she wants ar.
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last two days...i dont have time to buy my ST sawi...so i gave them carrot without vitamins......i think carrot is my ST fav food.
then today, i gave them savi with vitamin...usually they finish it so fast....but now, they seems like they didnt like to eat sawi with vitamins...
smell2...then jalan.....smell2...then blah..... unsure.gif unsure.gif doh.gif
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It should be ok dont worry. smile.gif
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QUOTE(inexsis @ Feb 27 2008, 07:05 PM)
last two days...i dont have time to buy my ST sawi...so i gave them carrot without vitamins......i think carrot is my ST fav food.
then today, i gave them savi with vitamin...usually they finish it so fast....but now, they seems like they didnt like to eat sawi with vitamins...
smell2...then jalan.....smell2...then blah.....  unsure.gif  unsure.gif  doh.gif
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Carrot so hard, how they eat?
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QUOTE(uzairi @ Feb 27 2008, 07:09 PM)
It should be ok dont worry. smile.gif
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yep2....at 1st...my so called ewin(one of the big one female) look likes a gangster to me....
she run around looking here and there...then looked at me....she seems angry coz got no carrot.... laugh.gif
tp poyo jeee....atlast...she still eat the sawi.....
btw.... hye uzairi..missed u wub.gif tongue.gif

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Carrot so hard, how they eat?
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i cut it into smaller pieces.....
for the 2 liltle one...kinda hard...but still eat a lot.....
for the 2 bigger ones...ngap2.....finish the whole plet doh.gif

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i juz found sumone selling Star tortoise 4inch. he's selling at rm110 and get rm200 if take both...he even said that he can nego more....
seems like desperate....anyone interested ? i cant confirm the condition of the animal....but freaking cheap !!!!!!!!!!!! if i got extra cash...sure buy punye..... click here if interested... VERY2 CHEAP STAR TORTOISE


Added on February 28, 2008, 6:38 pmwhat happen if accidently tortoise fall down from stomach level height ?

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QUOTE(inexsis @ Feb 28 2008, 12:32 AM)
i juz found sumone selling Star tortoise 4inch. he's selling at rm110 and get rm200 if take both...he even said that he can nego more....
seems like desperate....anyone interested ? i cant confirm the condition of the animal....but freaking cheap !!!!!!!!!!!! if i got extra cash...sure buy punye..... click here if interested... VERY2 CHEAP STAR TORTOISE


Added on February 28, 2008, 6:38 pmwhat happen if accidently tortoise fall down from stomach level height ?
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Er... Depends on age? But should be nothing. My friend's tortoise fell from the top of stairs before and luckily nothing happen. sad.gif But don do it la... Sakit right... And you won't know if something will happen...
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new setup for my RES hehe

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Wah! Looks good. What's the floating stuff? I used to keep them in the niggest plastic tank available when they were that size too! But I keep the bottom bare because I read somewhere that they may swallow gravel if it's small enough. sweat.gif considering that mine were "hungry ghost" I thought for safety precaution btter bare bottom. Some more bare bottom easy to clean. Pour all water out, scrub, refill, done!

My RES didn't quite like floating islands and as they grew older the island can't support both of them. So I found a perfect large rock that fills a bit of one side. So they can bask securely lor. Also, when they don wanna bask but don wanna swim, they just grab on to the side. smile.gif They love that rock. I still have the rock. sweat.gif now the rock's job is to support my mum's flower pots.
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I use plat moto for they basking area hehe...my RES like swimming and bask for short time only huhu. Before this I use small rock for basking area but it's too heavy la nak angkat2 ahaha...when they grow up may be will looking for biggest house for them. I have 20 gallon tank in my house, one not used and 2 tank buat bele ikan betik dengan kapi la hehe will modify that tank latter.

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The water is too deep for them and the platform looks hard to climb on to. Looks slippery to me. smile.gif
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The water is too deep for them and the platform looks hard to climb on to. Looks slippery to me. smile.gif
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*update. This is regarding the supplements.

My supplier said that the price is going up next month so we're gonna have to order soon.

Only 6 tubs left. Help promote!

and the shipment might arrive earlier than 2 weeks : )
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Hi ppl..i'm in nd of some help..if you guys/gals are willing plz visit this thread >.<

http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/642896

Thx in advance..

Read a few posts back. A pet shop owner once told me that to differentiate the sex of the star tortoises is to see if the back of the shell is going straight down or curves out like a skirt. Obviously the one with the out curved 'skirt' is a female n the one with the back of the shell going straight downwards is a male. For me, it was quite accurate because the male has been caught 'humping' the female many times over the course of 8 years. heh blush.gif but no offsprings though >.<

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QUOTE(abesabraham @ Mar 1 2008, 11:06 AM)
*update. This is regarding the supplements.

My supplier said that the price is going up next month so we're gonna have to order soon.

Only 6 tubs left. Help promote!

and the shipment might arrive earlier than 2 weeks : )
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http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/638801

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Links and images so that it can help your sales.

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Hi ppl..i'm in nd of some help..if you guys/gals are willing plz visit this thread >.<

http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/642896

Thx in advance..

Read a few posts back. A pet shop owner once told me that to differentiate the sex of the star tortoises is to see if the back of the shell is going straight down or curves out like a skirt. Obviously the one with the out curved 'skirt' is a female n the one with the back of the shell going straight downwards is a male. For me, it was quite accurate because the male has been caught 'humping' the female many times over the course of 8 years. heh  blush.gif but no offsprings though >.<
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So they are already 8 years with you ? How big are they now, both of them in SCL. And do you have any closeup pictures of both their tails ?
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By The way, will snappers choke? I've been feeding her some longish silver fish and wonder if I should cut it up or something.

@blazin_fir3: I hope your TTT gets well... We can only hope. Keep our fingers crossed!
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Hey thanx..went to the vet already..doc said its a bad lung infection..gave a jab..going back to clinic on tuesday and jab again >.< she kinda cried when doc was examining..coz press the swollen area n jab..got tears.. so sad..

and er..wats SCL? sry not well versed with the jargon. Only one is closing to 8 years the other one is about 7 years or so..coz we got 2 from 2 batches at different time. Now only got 1 from each batch.

Bout the photos,i don't have them but can take once my other one is feeling better alrite. Btw,how do i attach the pic yea? I'm not to sure.. >.<

Thx in advance.

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QUOTE(Jamien @ Mar 2 2008, 04:49 AM)
By The way, will snappers choke? I've been feeding her some longish silver fish and wonder if I should cut it up or something.

@blazin_fir3: I hope your TTT gets well... We can only hope. Keep our fingers crossed!
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QUOTE(blazin_fir3 @ Mar 2 2008, 02:13 PM)
Hey thanx..went to the vet already..doc said its a bad lung infection..gave a jab..going back to clinic on tuesday and jab again >.< she kinda cried when doc was examining..coz press the swollen area n jab..got tears.. so sad..

and er..wats SCL? sry not well versed with the jargon. Only one is closing to 8 years the other one is about 7 years or so..coz we got 2 from 2 batches at different time. Now only got 1 from each batch.

Bout the photos,i don't have them but can take once my other one is feeling better alrite. Btw,how do i attach the pic yea? I'm not to sure.. >.<

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Ok thx..my healthy one is about 5.8 or 5.9 inches long.

The unhealthy one still has running nose with blood mucus. >.<
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Hi Fat^Cat..

Uzairi, i transfer my questions to this thread alrite? den we dun haf to go both threads..
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hi all, just wondering if any of your star tortoises have very dry skins?

one of mine has a piece of skin on its leg half-peeled off, but the leg looks fine. looks something like a dried-off skin replaced, or something like that in description.

does it have anything to do with leaving in the sun for too long? i usually sun them for around 1 hours the most, several times a week. i also set a basking lamp at one side of the tank.
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QUOTE(blazin_fir3 @ Mar 3 2008, 05:30 PM)
Hi Fat^Cat..

Uzairi, i transfer my questions to this thread alrite? den we dun haf to go both threads..
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Okay no problem.

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QUOTE(livingmonolith @ Mar 3 2008, 07:11 PM)
hi all, just wondering if any of your star tortoises have very dry skins?

one of mine has a piece of skin on its leg half-peeled off, but the leg looks fine. looks something like a dried-off skin replaced, or something like that in description.

does it have anything to do with leaving in the sun for too long? i usually sun them for around 1 hours the most, several times a week. i also set a basking lamp at one side of the tank.
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do you have any pictures? if its not excessively peeled then i dont think its a problem. smile.gif
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ok..thx uzairi.. so i've talked to my dad and we are planning to totally change their diet and all. So do u still give them pellet food once a week? If so, wat brand/name do you recommend.

Plus my dad has asked wat brand for the calcium supplement do you all recommend? For both indoor and outdoor coz sumtimes when its rainy season, its hard to take them out for basking plus the whole area would be wet.
Thx in advance.
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ok..thx uzairi.. so i've talked to my dad and we are planning to totally change their diet and all. So do u still give them pellet food once a week? If so, wat brand/name do you recommend.

Plus my dad has asked wat brand for the calcium supplement do you all recommend? For both indoor and outdoor coz sumtimes when its rainy season, its hard to take them out for basking plus the whole area would be wet.
Thx in advance.
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For calcium and vitamin supplement, we are planning to buy this

http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?act=ST&f=11&t=638801

Edit: Seems like order is closed

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QUOTE(blazin_fir3 @ Mar 4 2008, 12:09 AM)
ok..thx uzairi.. so i've talked to my dad and we are planning to totally change their diet and all. So do u still give them pellet food once a week? If so, wat brand/name do you recommend.

Plus my dad has asked wat brand for the calcium supplement do you all recommend? For both indoor and outdoor coz sumtimes when its rainy season, its hard to take them out for basking plus the whole area would be wet.
Thx in advance.
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Yeah i did give them pellets once in a week, i use Exo Terra and Gex Tortoise pellets. For supplement, try to scout around for Aristopet Repti-Vite and Repti-Cal. That's the best supplement you can get here locally.
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QUOTE(uzairi @ Mar 4 2008, 10:26 AM)
Yeah i did give them pellets once in a week, i use Exo Terra and Gex Tortoise pellets. For supplement, try to scout around for Aristopet Repti-Vite and Repti-Cal. That's the best supplement you can get here locally.
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should i wet the pellet 1st bfore give it to them ?
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>.< I juz got back from ikano. I tried looking for the Repti-Vite & Repti-Cal but they don't even have the brand there so i got JBL Microcalcium and JBL Herbil pellet food. Is this alrite? I took this brand coz dzi921 said in pg 6 that the MicroCalcium can be used. And there is no JBL TerraVit Powder, oni got fluid form juz now. Expiry at 2010.

If both are alrite to be given, den like inexsis said, should wet pellet 1st?

@dzi921 : I saw that the other day but closed d >.<

will try looking for Repti-Vite now. Btw, even if the brands are the same rite, can u mix both vite and calcium together in the food? Plus, do you add the cal n vite to pellet food?

Just an update coz reading the previous threads, you all seem to be scouting for TTT. At ikano, there are:

3 leopard tortoises
1 star tortoise (about 3 inches) [price tag: RM250]
1 big head turtle
1 (big) ally snapper
1 (small) snapper (dunno ally or common)
1 (I THINK) red-footed tortoise

How do you all choose the wattage for basking lamps? *this is juz for my info coz my torts are outdoor kept*

Thx in advance >.<

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WTH!

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Last time Pet Family sell a lot of tortoise. Hypocrite
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QUOTE(dzi921 @ Mar 4 2008, 02:08 PM)
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Does this mean we can't bring out torts out for basking anymore? >.<
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QUOTE(uzairi @ Mar 3 2008, 11:55 PM)

do you have any pictures? if its not excessively peeled then i dont think its a problem. smile.gif
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umm, i don't really know how to upload the photos here...wink.gif

thanks for the assurance anyway, just wanted to be sure, because the piece of skin has been dangling over the leg for a few weeks already, it doesn't let me peel off, it'll either retract its leg or keep kicking my hand, nor does it seem to be bothering the tortoise as well, hopefully it's okay.
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QUOTE(blazin_fir3 @ Mar 4 2008, 02:18 PM)
Does this mean we can't bring out torts out for basking anymore? >.<
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Under newly passed laws, you face a fine of up to RM100,000 for having one of those reptiles.


If your neighbor/friends don't like you and saw you have those tortoise and made a report, so what will happen?

From what I see, you have to take risk to rear a tortoise and you must have RM100k standby each
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is the petstore in tmn megah, pj, called pet family?

if yes, they are STILL selling tortoises as of yesterday.

just saw a star tortoise on sale at RM228 (or around there) when i drop by to buy some cat food.

the authorities should raid them first, hahaha...
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QUOTE(livingmonolith @ Mar 4 2008, 02:49 PM)
is the petstore in tmn megah, pj, called pet family?

if yes, they are STILL selling tortoises as of yesterday.

just saw a star tortoise on sale at RM228 (or around there) when i drop by to buy some cat food.

the authorities should raid them first, hahaha...
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Lucky new law didn't offer reward for people who make report YET. If yes, sure a lot of golden fingers poking around for quick money
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Actually its all talk and no action coz if there was a case of pet shops being raided den i'm sure most of the pet shops will keep their torts d. Many places still selling.
Btw, there are a few star torts at Damansara Uptown shop name called Galaxy.
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Seems like serious sh*t!
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so will this thread be close down?
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If the enforcer hires me to be their spy... sure a lot of people will be brought down including myself

Just do a google, and you can find many sellers. All they need to do is pretend to be buyer

Well, if all of us are scared then better delete thread including old ones lor. Imagine now the enforcers can search without warrant
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my fren bought this pair of star tortoise last weekend, actually i the one who interested in buying them but i dun hav budget . lol tongue.gif . end up my fren bought it. but doesnt matter.

Can u guys tell me the sex of this two tortoise??... the tokey at Irene said its a pair - male n female ... but i dunno, it seems not...uh...

hellps !! icon_question.gif --->

The tale part pic......

[attachmentid=410618]


Some more pic....

[attachmentid=410620]


do tell me if more picture is needed...tq...

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this is the 1st time i saw a tortoise xxx liaw .... thanx 4 the pics .. biggrin.gif
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eh .. i read newspaper today .. say indian , indonesia had banned export of those star tortoise .. its illegal now in malaysia to having those as pet .. if caught duno need pay how much saman .. not very sure .. u read the star tuesday de
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this is the 1st time i saw a tortoise xxx liaw .... thanx 4 the pics .. biggrin.gif
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eh .. i read newspaper today .. say indian , indonesia had banned export of those star tortoise .. its illegal now in malaysia to having those as pet .. if caught duno need pay how much saman .. not very sure .. u read the star tuesday de
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guys...hye...i'm just a newbie here... well, can pay a visit to this page,its about star tortoise.... --->http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/645203...tq smile.gif
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QUOTE(Skatila @ Mar 5 2008, 01:30 AM)
my fren bought this pair of star tortoise last weekend, actually i the one who interested in buying them but i dun hav budget .  lol  tongue.gif . end up my fren bought it. but doesnt matter.

Can u guys tell me the sex of this two tortoise??... the tokey at Irene said its a pair - male n female ... but i dunno, it seems not...uh...

hellps !!  icon_question.gif  --->

The tale part pic......

[attachmentid=410618]
Some more pic....

[attachmentid=410620]
do tell me if more picture is needed...tq...
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They are still small bro, at 3 inch would be fine to sex them. Even some at 4 inch still 50/50.

QUOTE(Nadia_1510 @ Mar 5 2008, 01:45 AM)
this is the 1st time i saw a tortoise xxx liaw .... thanx 4 the pics .. biggrin.gif
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You should ask it here, that's the purpose of this thread tongue.gif
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QUOTE(sheahann @ Mar 5 2008, 01:49 AM)
eh .. i read newspaper today .. say indian , indonesia had banned export of those star tortoise .. its illegal now in malaysia to having those as pet .. if caught duno need pay how much saman .. not very sure .. u read the star tuesday de
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QUOTE(dzi921 @ Mar 5 2008, 11:27 AM)
yalo .. i no bluff u all de .. so sent the tortoise to me .. i take care of it ... rclxm9.gif
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Her story :
It was a cold windy evening before anyone noticed the epic battle that has ensued. She already had swollen eyes and neck by that time. We did everything we could to help her cause.
Rushing from vet to vet only to find that it has to be the next morning before a vet that handles exotic pets can see her. However she endured the night waiting to see the person whom might be able to give her a solution.

The next morning, she went out to bask in the bright yellow sun for a lil while hoping that it would stop her running nose. When she finally got to see the vet, she must have been in so much pain that her head couldn't even retract to the safety of her shell. During the examination, with tears in her eyes she allowed the vet to check her symptoms without letting out a squeak. The vet said that it was a serious lung infection. She could not hold her tears back when the vet injected her but the medicine seemed to have allowed her pain to subside as she was a lil more active now, moving around to find a better place for her to lie down and sleep waiting for the medicine to take its full effect.

She slept throughout the day, not even having the energy to eat but still made the effort to give her supporters eye contact to let them know that she's still here fighting her battle the hardest she could. She wasn't able to do much until it was time to meet the vet again. However this time she was able to retract back into the comfort of her shell which was a good sign. The vet wanted to confirm her condition therefore an X-ray was performed. The X-ray showed that her right lung was filled with water due to the infection. Another jab was performed, maybe she was used to it, maybe she just didn't have the strength for another tear, she accepted it without any acknowledgment. Thinking that she needed her rest like the last time, her supporters placed her in her sleeping area.

Come feeding time, her supporters found her not moving, not even a smallest reaction when gently nudged. Stroking her softly, her supporters was unwilling to believe that she has left them. Still believing that she might have still been fighting hard, her supporters left her there, checking whether she moved even if a little. However, body started to get even more stiff and there was still no sign of movement. Still doubting the fact, her supporters left her in her sleeping area over night, waking early in the morning to check on her but sadly she did not even move throughout the night.

She lost the battle but she will always be remembered by her supporters. Her name was Decimus.

*sry for such a long post but i just wanted to vent it out*

The doctor said that she most probably died due to pneumonia. At the vet, the doctor said that torts metabolism rate is very slow which may be one of the reason why they can live so long but it was a setback in this situation as it took the medicine much longer to take effect. So as an advise, if theres anything wrong with ur tort, administer med as soon as possible as it takes longer for them to heal. Btw Uzairi can answer sum questions at the previous few posts bout the food n all plz. Tq.
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Why all new threads emerged when most stuff here? LOL.... newbies, refer lah to the thread the sifus created.... anyway, will merge.
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QUOTE(blazin_fir3 @ Mar 5 2008, 12:46 PM)
Her story :
  It was a cold windy evening before anyone noticed the epic battle that has ensued. She already had swollen eyes and neck by that time. We did everything we could to help her cause.
Rushing from vet to vet only to find that it has to be the next morning before a vet that handles exotic pets can see her. However she endured the night waiting to see the person whom might be able to give her a solution.
 
The next morning, she went out to bask in the bright yellow sun for a lil while hoping that it would stop her running nose. When she finally got to see the vet, she must have been in so much pain that her head couldn't even retract to the safety of her shell. During the examination, with tears in her eyes she allowed the vet to check her symptoms without letting out a squeak. The vet said that it was a serious lung infection. She could not hold her tears back when the vet injected her but the medicine seemed to have allowed her pain to subside as she was a lil more active now, moving around to find a better place for her to lie down and sleep waiting for the medicine to take its full effect.
 
She slept throughout the day, not even having the energy to eat but still made the effort to give her supporters eye contact to let them know that she's still here fighting her battle the hardest she could. She wasn't able to do much until it was time to meet the vet again. However this time she was able to retract back into the comfort of her shell which was a good sign. The vet wanted to confirm her condition therefore an X-ray was performed. The X-ray showed that her right lung was filled with water due to the infection. Another jab was performed, maybe she was used to it, maybe she just didn't have the strength for another tear, she accepted it without any acknowledgment. Thinking that she needed her rest like the last time, her supporters placed her in her sleeping area.
 
Come feeding time, her supporters found her not moving, not even a smallest reaction when gently nudged. Stroking her softly, her supporters was unwilling to believe that she has left them. Still believing that she might have still been fighting hard, her supporters left her there, checking whether she moved even if a little. However, body started to get even more stiff and there was still no sign of movement. Still doubting the fact, her supporters left her in her sleeping area over night, waking early in the morning to check on her but sadly she did not even move throughout the night.

She lost the battle but she will always be remembered by her supporters. Her name was Decimus.

*sry for such a long post but i just wanted to vent it out*

The doctor said that she most probably died due to pneumonia. At the vet, the doctor said that torts metabolism rate is very slow which may be one of the reason why they can live so long but it was a setback in this situation as it took the medicine much longer to take effect. So as an advise, if theres anything wrong with ur tort, administer med as soon as possible as it takes longer for them to heal. Btw Uzairi can answer sum questions at the previous few posts bout the food n all plz. Tq.
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can anyone here advice me how to make my ST not scare of me ? 1 of my biggest ST....sooooo scared of everything...paranoid laugh.gif
everytime i open my tank cover, he/she already in defence mode(masuk dlm carapace 100%)...... my other 3 not even scared of me. everytime i hold them on my palm....they tried to run or push my hand.....but the biggest 1...aiyoooo.... pengecut....
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QUOTE(inexsis @ Mar 5 2008, 06:39 PM)
can anyone here advice me how to make my ST not scare of me ? 1 of my biggest ST....sooooo scared of everything...paranoid laugh.gif
everytime i open my tank cover, he/she already in defence mode(masuk dlm carapace 100%)...... my other 3 not even scared of me. everytime i hold them on my palm....they tried to run or push my hand.....but the biggest 1...aiyoooo.... pengecut....
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I had the same issue with Sam. Took me nearly 2 weeks of bonding. Now it is friendly already. Can even pet on it's head now

How I bond?
1) Time
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3) Play / Pet it often

It will get use to you. Most important is that it must eat
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QUOTE(blazin_fir3 @ Mar 5 2008, 12:46 PM)
Her story :
   It was a cold windy evening before anyone noticed the epic battle that has ensued. She already had swollen eyes and neck by that time. We did everything we could to help her cause.
Rushing from vet to vet only to find that it has to be the next morning before a vet that handles exotic pets can see her. However she endured the night waiting to see the person whom might be able to give her a solution.
  
The next morning, she went out to bask in the bright yellow sun for a lil while hoping that it would stop her running nose. When she finally got to see the vet, she must have been in so much pain that her head couldn't even retract to the safety of her shell. During the examination, with tears in her eyes she allowed the vet to check her symptoms without letting out a squeak. The vet said that it was a serious lung infection. She could not hold her tears back when the vet injected her but the medicine seemed to have allowed her pain to subside as she was a lil more active now, moving around to find a better place for her to lie down and sleep waiting for the medicine to take its full effect.
  
She slept throughout the day, not even having the energy to eat but still made the effort to give her supporters eye contact to let them know that she's still here fighting her battle the hardest she could. She wasn't able to do much until it was time to meet the vet again. However this time she was able to retract back into the comfort of her shell which was a good sign. The vet wanted to confirm her condition therefore an X-ray was performed. The X-ray showed that her right lung was filled with water due to the infection. Another jab was performed, maybe she was used to it, maybe she just didn't have the strength for another tear, she accepted it without any acknowledgment. Thinking that she needed her rest like the last time, her supporters placed her in her sleeping area.
  
Come feeding time, her supporters found her not moving, not even a smallest reaction when gently nudged. Stroking her softly, her supporters was unwilling to believe that she has left them. Still believing that she might have still been fighting hard, her supporters left her there, checking whether she moved even if a little. However, body started to get even more stiff and there was still no sign of movement. Still doubting the fact, her supporters left her in her sleeping area over night, waking early in the morning to check on her but sadly she did not even move throughout the night.

She lost the battle but she will always be remembered by her supporters. Her name was Decimus.

*sry for such a long post but i just wanted to vent it out*

The doctor said that she most probably died due to pneumonia. At the vet, the doctor said that torts metabolism rate is very slow which may be one of the reason why they can live so long but it was a setback in this situation as it took the medicine much longer to take effect. So as an advise, if theres anything wrong with ur tort, administer med as soon as possible as it takes longer for them to heal. Btw Uzairi can answer sum questions at the previous few posts bout the food n all plz. Tq.
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My ST which passed away had some infection too, but when took injection she didn't even have the strength to shrink into her shell and struggled very little. She also won't eat so I had to force feed her for about 2 weeks. She didn't make it...

If your ST looks very sleepy and hardly moves regardless of how much you bask it, and seems to have anything swollen or look a bit ballooning, please faster bring to vet. A soft shell is also very bad.

RIP Decimus... At least she suffers no more.

This post has been edited by Jamien: Mar 5 2008, 09:31 PM
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QUOTE(siokjinlim @ Mar 5 2008, 11:35 AM)
wei, saman up to rm100,000 lah.. dun pray pray... better be careful
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QUOTE(crazymouse_yyh @ Mar 5 2008, 12:58 PM)
Why all new threads emerged when most stuff here? LOL.... newbies, refer lah to the thread the sifus created.... anyway, will merge.
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QUOTE(uzairi @ Mar 6 2008, 02:35 AM)
Nothing to worry if you only keep RES like me.  smile.gif
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blink.gif Uzairi don't keep Star tortoise and leapord Tortoise?
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QUOTE(Jamien @ Mar 6 2008, 07:01 AM)
blink.gif Uzairi don't keep Star tortoise and leapord Tortoise?
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I wonder why you guys so worry about the New Laws. They are many Laws came out before this, but its just by the name of it. People still selling, breeding & buy. So, funny lah you guys, KAN CHONG like hell when the New Laws came out... We keep pets because we love them & of course we care about them. So, dont lets the Laws stop our interest. As long we know how to keep our pets safely & care them nicely. Its enough....
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QUOTE(Fat^Cat @ Mar 6 2008, 02:35 PM)
I wonder why you guys so worry about the New Laws. They are many Laws came out before this, but its just by the name of it. People still selling, breeding & buy. So, funny lah you guys, KAN CHONG like hell when the New Laws came out... We keep pets because we love them & of course we care about them. So, dont lets the Laws stop our interest. As long we know how to keep our pets safely & care them nicely. Its enough....
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Same like piracy here in Malaysia...
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QUOTE(dzi921 @ Mar 6 2008, 03:00 PM)
Same like piracy here in Malaysia...
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If you really think so...why create such a hoohaa? Love the attention?
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Added on March 6, 2008, 5:58 pmcan we feed bread to our tortoise ?

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QUOTE(rafiqos @ Mar 6 2008, 05:13 PM)
If you really think so...why create such a hoohaa? Love the attention?
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Biasa lah bai... some of people here like to like to cari cheap2 publisity & attention from everyone to let ppl know who are they... Same like bought a tortoise, then possed picture everywhere in the circle. To show off what he have... Come on lah... the reason we keep animals is becoz love them not to show off to everyone what we have...


Added on March 6, 2008, 8:06 pmWe all as pets lovers allready know & used with those Laws. So, i dont think we need to put those Laws as an issues or as a topic here & no need to foward the link to our friend who are selling or buying some pets here... We are not doing any cruel things of animals. Do you know what happend to those animals that they RAMPAS? They just let the animals suffer without a proper care... Alots of them died b4 they sell back to the new owner... So, as a pets lovers, we should HELP EACH OTHER & keep silent to make sure the animals are not suffer & died by the LAWS, but let them having a such of good life on our hand & by our caring.

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guys for UV Lamp 40W I should put 1 meter from basking area or what? on first page said put 1 meter from basking area but some picture I saw the UV Lamp very close with basking area.
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QUOTE(rafiqos @ Mar 6 2008, 05:13 PM)
If you really think so...why create such a hoohaa? Love the attention?
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Do I need the attention? I am not going to be elected?

I am just posting for those that don't read news la!

QUOTE(Fat^Cat @ Mar 6 2008, 07:52 PM)
Biasa lah bai... some of people here like to like to cari cheap2 publisity & attention from everyone to let ppl know who are they... Same like bought a tortoise, then possed picture everywhere in the circle. To show off what he have... Come on lah... the reason we keep animals is becoz love them not to show off to everyone what we have...


Added on March 6, 2008, 8:06 pmWe all as pets lovers allready know & used with those Laws. So, i dont think we need to put those Laws as an issues or as a topic here & no need to foward the link to our friend who are selling or buying some pets here... We are not doing any cruel things of animals. Do you know what happend to those animals that they RAMPAS? They just let the animals suffer without a proper care... Alots of them died b4 they sell back to the new owner... So, as a pets lovers, we should HELP EACH OTHER & keep silent to make sure the animals are not suffer & died by the LAWS, but let them having a such of good life on our hand & by our caring.
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Say that to the Pets Picture v2 thread people
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come on la..just ignore it..honestly,thanx to you for that useful info..but no need to post it around..enough in 1 or 2 thread..everywhere pun can c ur "info"..thats makes u look like seeking for attention..its up to the owner la..u want to keep it,just keep it la..no need to tell here and there "wei, we're done!we have to hide our identity!no net, no handphone!"..u make it look like its the end of our hobby..why dont u think how to educate others(including the enforcer) the benefit of enthusiast like us..
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QUOTE(mamba @ Mar 6 2008, 10:42 PM)
come on la..just ignore it..honestly,thanx to you for that useful info..but no need to post it around..enough in 1 or 2 thread..everywhere pun can c ur "info"..thats makes u look like seeking for attention..its up to the owner la..u want to keep it,just keep it la..no need to tell here and there "wei, we're done!we have to hide our identity!no net, no handphone!"..u make it look like its the end of our hobby..why dont u think how to educate others(including the enforcer) the benefit of enthusiast like us..
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QUOTE(Jamien @ Mar 6 2008, 07:01 AM)
blink.gif Uzairi don't keep Star tortoise and leapord Tortoise?
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Nope i dont. smile.gif

QUOTE(dzi921 @ Mar 6 2008, 08:52 AM)
Haha... You believed him ah???
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QUOTE(inexsis @ Mar 6 2008, 05:42 PM)
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Added on March 6, 2008, 5:58 pmcan we feed bread to our tortoise ?
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Elongated Tortoise and Asian Giant Pond can consume them based on experience. Not recommended for non tropical species especially.
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[quote=dzi921,Mar 6 2008, 08:53 PM]
I am just posting for those that don't read news la!


You seems posted it everywhere here, even at Garage Sales Coloum when our friends are trying to sell their stuffs there. Just enough for you put 1 at the Topic Tittle's Coloum or at Forum Topics like you done at http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/644806 We appreacite that. We dont mind to share some informations but not too much like you had done !!!
You also posted at :
http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/620626/+380
http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/635740
http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/634652
It's also seems like threating our own friends indirectly.

Come on lah... we all pet lovers should help & protect each others. This is not the right way to share some informations or telling people who dont read news !!!


Added on March 7, 2008, 3:54 am[quote=inexsis,Mar 5 2008, 06:39 PM]
can anyone here advice me how to make my ST not scare of me ? 1 of my biggest ST....sooooo scared of everything...paranoid laugh.gif
everytime i open my tank cover, he/she already in defence mode(masuk dlm carapace 100%)...... my other 3 not even scared of me. everytime i hold them on my palm....they tried to run or push my hand.....but the biggest 1...aiyoooo.... pengecut....
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That's mean your Biggest & 3 others ST still dont have KAMCING with you yet. You need to play with them everyday to make them know & reconise you. Try to feed them by your hand, talk to them nicely when everytime you play with them, you clean them or etc. ( this is sound crazy ) but it's works !!!
Animals can understand when we talk to them.
All my ST have KAMCING with me allready. When i stand beside their tank, all of them will come closer to me. When everytime i passby their tank, they will up their heads & look at me, especially the Biggest Female. She will the first one come closer to me.
I always feed them with my hand. This is 1 way to know they are allready reconised you & not scared of you anymore. I treat all my pets same way not only for ST. All of my pets now have KAMCING with me as their owner. But, it's need some times & 'Kesabaran' lah....
You also can put your used shirt inside your pets cage or tank ( dont do this for your fish !!! ) Let them have more of your smells. I tried this method with some of my pets & it's works !!!
Animals need more attentions & lovely caring from us as their owner !!!
Good Luck... sorry for my poor English....

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I am just posting for those that don't read news la!


You seems posted it everywhere here, even at Garage Sales Coloum when our friends are trying to sell their stuffs there. Just enough for you put 1 at the Topic Tittle's Coloum or at Forum Topics like you done at http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/644806 We appreacite that. We dont mind to share some informations but not too much like you had done !!!
You also posted at :
http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/620626/+380
http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/635740
http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/634652
It's also seems like threating our own friends indirectly.

Come on lah... we all pet lovers should help & protect each others. This is not the right way to share some informations or telling people who dont read news !!!
fat^cat: come on la. I can post whatever i want. If u think it is not right, just click report button. No need to dig out my post.

Now who is the attention whore now? Really too free ah? Get a life, posting such uninformative post at 3:13am. Ok fine, i'm out of this thread thanks to people like you

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QUOTE(dzi921 @ Mar 7 2008, 08:18 AM)
fat^cat: come on la. I can post whatever i want. If u think it is not right, just click report button. No need to dig out my post.

Now who is the attention whore now? Really too free ah? Get a life, posting such uninformative post at 3:13am. Ok fine, i'm out of this thread thanks to people like you
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LOL.....man u make me laughing like hell....what fat cat n others say its true.to me ur just an attention seeker too.yeah u got ur 1st tortoise SAM.I know u enjoying it!since u pay such a price..keep it n enjoy it urself la.n to QUIT from this thread becoz of such thing proved tht everyone is right.ur childish to do so!come on!its ur lost leaving this thread witsuch small matter!
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QUOTE(lessilly @ Mar 7 2008, 08:33 AM)
LOL.....man u make me laughing like hell....what fat cat n others say its true.to me ur just an attention seeker too.yeah u got ur 1st tortoise SAM.I know u enjoying it!since u pay such a price..keep it n enjoy it urself la.n to QUIT from this thread becoz of such thing proved tht everyone is right.ur childish to do so!come on!its ur lost leaving this thread witsuch small matter!
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Lets this newbie play with his SAM puas2 lah... He wanna quit or not.. let him be..... Maybe he cant face the reality & cant take other people adviced. This type of people better sit at one corner & play with their toys reither than mix up the community. Arios.....
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i post the comments in that 2 bulk thread to inform the ts about the possibility of him getting in trouble which one of them is not aware (if i recall correctly). The ts there also did not state that the tortoises are illegal without documents. Would you want buyer who bought it without knowing they are breaking the law and regret later. Who knows the buyer will just throw the tortoise away?

I create a new thread so that other exotic pets owners will know too (who does not read tortoise thread)

I post it here cause that's the first place i post and care

I'm usually not a small gas person and take people's advice where necessary. When u guys said the first few times, i've already understood, but then to go to the extend of digging out my other post and put it here, what does that mean?

Anyway, lets change topic now.
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dzi921: i can understand your initial intention was pure & good. But after too many posts/links on the subject, it seems that your action has done quite some "harm" too.

for example here

mods, i seriously think that the above thread should not be closed

1-his wrong was because he didnt post in garages sales - so just move it there
2-the law is not officially exercised yet (i doubt anytime soon)
3-if permit needed, than just let him get the permit la, no need to close the thread.

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hahaha, guys, i think we can put an end to all these unnecessary disagreements here. i'm sure everyone who has posted here are responsible pet lovers, there's no need to quarrel over something that's beyond our control.

dzi921 was trying to make everyone aware of the law, and i believe the majority of us got the point. he was right as some of those in the garage sales are really unaware of the new law, although he may sound overenthuastic.

i understand that everyone else are quite unhappy to be brought to the headlines with all these postings, but i believe it's best for us to let this news die down and let us discuss our hobby here happily...smile.gif

peace people, peace...
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dzi921.....

Im here to being friends & sharing ideas, opinions with all friends which having same interest nod.gif I dont want to make enemy with you or anyone here. I know you care about us thumbup.gif but dont too much lah sometimes..... It's makes people 'TULAN' you know.....
Im sure you are so happy with your SAM, but no need to post all his movements here or anywhere to tell everyone that u have a Radiated. Some of our friends here having many collections of Tortoise & Turttles, even can open a farm, but they never show off at all..... They are hiding... whistling.gif
Anyway, i would like to say SORRY & APPOLOGIZE to you & everyone here icon_rolleyes.gif if the way i give some comments & advices make you all unhappy, angry or etc.
PEACE cheers.gif Let change Topic
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I'm not hating you with a passion either. Too much of anything has just got to be bad. Just had an unpleasant day at work. LOL. Didn't really expect my questioning you would spiral into something as complicated as this. Let's hold our horses and choose our words better next time around then.
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QUOTE(Fat^Cat @ Mar 7 2008, 04:32 PM)
dzi921.....

Im here to being friends & sharing ideas, opinions with all friends which having same interest nod.gif I dont want to make enemy with you or anyone here. I know you care about us thumbup.gif but dont too much lah sometimes..... It's makes people 'TULAN' you know.....
Im sure you are so happy with your SAM, but no need to post all his movements here or anywhere to tell everyone that u have a Radiated. Some of our friends here having many collections of Tortoise & Turttles, even can open a farm, but  they never show off at all..... They are hiding... whistling.gif
Anyway, i would like to say SORRY & APPOLOGIZE to you & everyone here icon_rolleyes.gif  if the way i give some comments & advices make you all unhappy, angry or etc.
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Apology accepted and no harm done smile.gif

I'm excited over my pet and wish to share my expirience. Didnt know that you guys will feel otherwise. Perhaps if my tortoise is a res then it wouldnt be a prob

Like other thread eg suger glider, dogs, etc people do post their pets photos, videos and experiences. Else what can we post here? Is it when tortoise have prob only can post but not good moments?

Anyway, my apology for posting too much on my excitement. I will tone it down now smile.gif
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QUOTE(dzi921 @ Mar 7 2008, 06:59 PM)
Apology accepted and no harm done smile.gif

I'm excited over my pet and wish to share my expirience. Didnt know that you guys will feel otherwise. Perhaps if my tortoise is a res then it wouldnt be a prob

Like other thread eg suger glider, dogs, etc people do post their pets photos, videos and experiences. Else what can we post here? Is it when tortoise have prob only can post but not good moments?

Anyway, my apology for posting too much on my excitement. I will tone it down now smile.gif
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Brother.... Better SOROK lah... Always beware & becareful too... TT & other repltiles are not same with those Sugar Gliders, Dogs, Cats, Hamsters, Guinea Pig & etc. They not yet have such LAWS like what you posted & you know. So, by posting too much pictures might course you a trouble too. As a friend, i told you this lor... Maybe you never heard that some of pet owners get caught by GOVERMENT just becoz of they posted some of their illegal pets pictures around in the forums or some other websites. So... pandai-pandai lah......

Its ok to post some of pictures which are needed to do so.... Like some problems, proven or etc.

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QUOTE(Fat^Cat @ Mar 7 2008, 07:44 PM)
Brother.... Better SOROK lah... Always beware & becareful too... TT & other repltiles are not same with those Sugar Gliders, Dogs, Cats, Hamsters, Guinea Pig & etc. They not yet have such LAWS like what you posted & you know. So, by posting too much pictures might course you a trouble too. As a friend, i told you this lor... Maybe you never heard that some of pet owners get caught by GOVERMENT just becoz of they posted some of their illegal pets pictures around in the forums or some other websites. So... pandai-pandai lah......

Its ok to post some of pictures which are needed to do so.... Like some problems, proven or etc.
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Since I posted the news... I've already removed my photos (those that can). Takut juga
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we going to have "underground meeting"...lol!
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QUOTE(mamba @ Mar 8 2008, 01:56 AM)
we going to have "underground meeting"...lol!
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just left pet safari. Some addition

5 three inch leopard
3 two inch leopard

I wonder now can post messages like this. Later enforcers go raid them pulak
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they do have proper paper for it.
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erm....does shell polish is necessary? also...are there some side effect if i use shell polisher that are sold at kedai??


Added on March 9, 2008, 4:03 pmjust back from irene aqua at ss2 pj n pet family at tmn megah...both not selling any tort anymore due to the new bill......but there are still one normal snap at pet family.... y are pet safari and pet wonderland mid valley are still selling leopard? i thought dat the leopard also illegal ? hurm...

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pet shop at sg. besi also got a lot leopard. 2.5" - 3.5" for rm0.7k-0.8k.
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What i've been informed by some of sellers, Leopard is ok... still can sell only now enforces focus more to ST
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QUOTE(Skatila @ Mar 9 2008, 11:46 AM)
erm....does shell polish is necessary? also...are there some side effect if i use shell polisher that are sold at kedai??


Added on March 9, 2008, 4:03 pmjust back from irene aqua at ss2 pj n pet family at tmn megah...both not selling any tort anymore due to the new bill......but there are still one normal snap at pet family.... y are  pet safari and pet wonderland mid valley are still selling leopard? i thought dat the leopard also illegal ? hurm...
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Some species like the Leopard , Sulcata , Red footed , Common snapper , alligator snappe ...etc are CB in other parts of the world and legally ( but some may not have arrived onto our shore legally )

While other species like the Indian Star , Spider , Yni , Pig-nose , Pancake are mostly of WC origin ( only few are bred in any number in captivity )

Thus ask the seller to show their import paper ( CITES , health cert from export country ...etc ) Not targeting or focusing does not mean its legal to do so ( sell , buy , own/keep ...etc )

Anyway unless you really trust your " visitor " , friends dont bring any to see your pets !!! I would rather bring one or two to shop or other place to show them !!!
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can someone help me,my ST really didnt like sunbath.when i expose them to sunlight,they will run even early in the morning..
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vampire Star Tortoise mayb ? i'm melting~~~ i'm melting~~~~ sweat.gif sweat.gif
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anyone here know when will the supplement from the oversea sumone in garage sale selling will arrive ? my reptivite juz expired last week......
aiyyyoooooo.................... icon_question.gif icon_question.gif

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thx for jamien and dzi's condolences..lost 2 in 2 weeks..sad..now must take care of the remaining one properly..although he has pyramiding d..so trying 2 introduce him to mustard green now.. but he takes a chomp den stop..really worried if he doesn't eat much at all..same goes for hibiscus leaves..

@slackers: They will choose when they wanna bask. Maybe its just too hot or they wanna explore. I think its normal but should get them sum UVB from time to time. Plus can share size and all?
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QUOTE(inexsis @ Mar 10 2008, 05:04 PM)
vampire Star Tortoise mayb ? i'm melting~~~ i'm melting~~~~  sweat.gif  sweat.gif
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anyone here know when will the supplement from the oversea sumone in garage sale selling  will arrive ? my reptivite juz expired last week......
aiyyyoooooo....................  icon_question.gif  icon_question.gif
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you can pow some from me. i doubt that ill be able to finish it by it's expiry date in october
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QUOTE(sayasebuk @ Mar 10 2008, 07:31 PM)
you can pow some from me. i doubt that ill be able to finish it by it's expiry date in october
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really ? thanks man.....can u give me ur number ?
i got chipsi extra medium 10L......to eager to buy ST.....i buy all kind of bedding... laugh.gif
so i never used or open it.....u want ? i'll give it for free...... thumbup.gif
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QUOTE(mamba @ Mar 9 2008, 07:32 PM)
pet shop at sg. besi also got a lot leopard. 2.5" - 3.5" for rm0.7k-0.8k.
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helo brother where is the location of the pet shop?which part of sungai besi? are them look goods? im finding a pair of leopard..hehe
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QUOTE(slackerz @ Mar 10 2008, 04:43 PM)
can someone help me,my ST really didnt like sunbath.when i expose them to sunlight,they will run even early in the morning..
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You didnt put your ST in a container or Square Tray? I put mine inside a square tray, so they didnt run away. Best time for sunbath is from 9m -11am.


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thx for jamien and dzi's condolences..lost 2 in 2 weeks..sad..now must take care of the remaining one properly..although he has pyramiding d..so trying 2 introduce him to mustard green now.. but he takes a chomp den stop..really worried if he doesn't eat much at all..same goes for hibiscus leaves..
I think its not too late for me to say condolance to you too. Sound like your ST having internal problem. Have you deworms your ST before? May i know how big is your ST? You can try salad, dont put any calsium or vitamins on it, let your ST have a original smell of it. I know, some of ST dont really like mustard green, even mine too. But they crazy with salad. Pumkin is good for natural dewormer.

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@slackers: They will choose when they wanna bask. Maybe its just too hot or they wanna explore. I think its normal but should get them sum UVB from time to time. Plus can share size and all?
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my ST size average dlm 3 inch la.still kanak2 lg.i hav 4 of them..setiap kali hujan they must got RNS,even i let basking light ON.but when i force them to have sunbath,hingus kat hidung diorg will dissapear quickly.. rclxub.gif
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Thx for ur condelences..Salad hurh, i will try if i fail 2 introduce mustard greens..yea,haf to get a pumpkin soon..dunwan to intro 2 many things at once..

Ur STs haf RNS everytime it rains? Thats weird..do u administer any medication? Coz i only have one incident with RNS but mine is severe till it became pneumonia and subsequently death. Whenever RNS accurs, got bubbles coming out from nose? U'll have to constantly sun them in natural sunlight if you wanna get rid of RNS plus give them multivites. U'll also need feedback from other ppl as i have lil experience with RNS.
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wah, din know now got laws to ban certain sps of pet tortoise. I was keeping one. But i guess banning them when the demand is high for that species will actually motivate some people to start breeding them in captive, eventually making owing them legal again if enough is produced. This is good for the species and also for the pet lovers. Banning only trys to curb catching them in the wild, but like most people said, the wild itself ain't protected by other human activities like housing, development etc.


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QUOTE(Fat^Cat @ Mar 11 2008, 02:14 AM)
You didnt put your ST in a container or Square Tray? I put mine inside a square tray, so they didnt run away. Best time for sunbath is from 9m -11am.


Added on March 11, 2008, 2:27 am

I think its not too late for me to say condolance to you too. Sound like your ST having internal problem. Have you deworms your ST before? May i know how big is your ST? You can try salad, dont put any calsium or vitamins on it, let your ST have a original smell of it. I know, some of ST dont really like mustard green, even mine too. But they crazy with salad. Pumkin is good for natural dewormer.
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i already put them in container.but they become more aggresif when expose to sunlight.like want to climb up the container..


Added on March 11, 2008, 4:29 pmanyone know where can i get uvb bulb (not the long pendaflour one)within kl and selangor area? i have been to almost all petsafari n pet wonderland outlet in both area but i still cant find one. preferably reptiglo 2.0 n 5.0 compact.help me please..

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QUOTE(slackerz @ Mar 11 2008, 04:10 PM)
i already put them in container.but they become more aggresif when expose to sunlight.like want to climb up the container..


Added on March 11, 2008, 4:29 pmanyone know where can i get uvb bulb (not the long pendaflour one)within kl and selangor area? i have been to almost all petsafari n pet wonderland outlet in both area but i still cant find one. preferably reptiglo 2.0 n 5.0 compact.help me please..
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when they became aggresif..that's mean, its too hot for them...sumtimes they will poo a lot n pee too when too hot n try too find shelter...
u can go to natuaral aquatic ss19, pets lover center sunway pyramid.....they both got repti glo.....i recommend natural aquatic...bit cheaper then other pet shop(not all items)....


Added on March 11, 2008, 6:02 pmtomatoes is good for tortoise rite ?
i want to introduced them tomatoes for dinner tonite~~~~ bon appetite~~~~ brows.gif

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Err slackers, u shouldn't pm me info..lolz..u should post here so more ppl can help u..like i said, i have little experience as my Torts' RNS was a severe type which had blood coming out. One side of the lungs was filled with water.

About finding a Vet, you can check Dr. Yeoh at Tmn Megah. The address can be found at the pinned up section 'list of vets'. Med was injected into the torts because if i remember correctly, someone in v2 mentioned that torts wun open their mouth willingly or unwillingly so easily.

Off topic: I juz read finish v1 and v2..took me a while >.<

Edit: The best time to sun ur torts would be from around 8am till around 10am coz after 10am (i feel) tat its too hot especially for younger torts. Ur torts bout 3inch i think about 20 - 30 minutes is enuff d and should alwiz haf a place for them to be in the shade so that they can avoid the sun if its too hot already.

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QUOTE(inexsis @ Mar 10 2008, 05:04 PM)
vampire Star Tortoise mayb ? i'm melting~~~ i'm melting~~~~  sweat.gif  sweat.gif
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anyone here know when will the supplement from the oversea sumone in garage sale selling  will arrive ? my reptivite juz expired last week......
aiyyyoooooo....................  icon_question.gif  icon_question.gif
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The temps are a bit too high or they dont need the heat since their body heat is enough aside from the UVB.

QUOTE(slackerz @ Mar 11 2008, 10:33 AM)
@slackers: They will choose when they wanna bask. Maybe its just too hot or they wanna explore. I think its normal but should get them sum UVB from time to time. Plus can share size and all?

my ST size average dlm 3 inch la.still kanak2 lg.i hav 4 of them..setiap kali hujan they must got RNS,even i let basking light ON.but when i force them to have sunbath,hingus kat hidung diorg will dissapear quickly.. rclxub.gif
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If its raining just open the basking light to maintain the humidity and increase the ambient temp.

QUOTE(inexsis @ Mar 11 2008, 05:38 PM)
when they became aggresif..that's mean, its too hot for them...sumtimes they will poo a lot n pee too when too hot n try too find shelter...
u can go to natuaral aquatic ss19, pets lover center sunway pyramid.....they both got repti glo.....i recommend natural aquatic...bit cheaper then other pet shop(not all items)....

tomatoes is good for tortoise rite ?
i want to introduced them tomatoes for dinner tonite~~~~ bon appetite~~~~ brows.gif
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Tomatoes should not be fed that frequently, i stopped feeding mine with tomatoes for like 1 year already.

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QUOTE(inexsis @ Mar 11 2008, 05:38 PM)
u can go to natuaral aquatic ss19, pets lover center sunway pyramid.....they both got repti glo.....i recommend natural aquatic...bit cheaper then other pet shop(not all items)....
Yeah. Natural Aquatic is good. I saw they got selling UVB bulbs there. Some more the price can less & bargain thumbup.gif
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QUOTE(uzairi @ Mar 11 2008, 08:50 PM)
Tomatoes should not be fed that frequently, i stopped feeding mine with tomatoes for like 1 year already.
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ouh....this is my 1st time introducing tomatoes to them...then i better stop la.....
i want to find varieties of fruit/food that they like so i can feed them new fruit/food once a week.......any recommendation....?
i feed them mustard green every 5 days.....2 days i feed them carrot......exoterra tortoise pellet good ? i think want to introuced them to pellet pulak... brows.gif

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I feed mine with Exo Terra and Gex Tortoise Pellets.
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QUOTE(uzairi @ Mar 12 2008, 02:35 AM)
I feed mine with Exo Terra and Gex Tortoise Pellets.
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I feed my RES with Aquadene Turtle Pallet ... is it ok feeding RES with pallet more then kangkung? it seem my RES eat only little kangkung and sawi.
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If i'm not wrong..sum1 posted be4 (most prob uzairi or Samperth) that pellets tend to make them grow faster than normal therefore shortening their lifespan and natural greens are the best. But let the pros confirm tat 4 ya..
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can i keep my ST under uv light(UVA & UVB) all the time?except the the time that i put them under sunlight la..
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QUOTE(Skatila @ Mar 12 2008, 08:02 PM)
can i keep my ST under uv light(UVA & UVB) all the time?except the the time that i put them under sunlight la..
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put under uva & uvb for only 8-10 hours daily only.....direct sunlight around 30mins to 1 hour(3-4 times per week)
<<<sumone taught this to me...my beloved friends wub.gif

any fruits that are dangerous or not good for star tortoise ??
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QUOTE(inexsis @ Mar 12 2008, 08:07 PM)
put under uva & uvb for only 8-10 hours daily only.....direct sunlight around 30mins to 1 hour(3-4 times per week)
<<<sumone taught this to me...my beloved friends  wub.gif

any fruits that are dangerous or not good for star tortoise ??
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wonder what will happens if put it bawah uva n uvb for 24-7 .... tq for the info nways smile.gif .... if i'm not mistaken, i read sumwhere that said any fruits is not good for the tort... give it as appetizer is ok, especialy when they are to lazy to eat... they go crazy for red fruit such as strawberry and papayas... smile.gif
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QUOTE(anbusan @ Mar 12 2008, 05:32 PM)
I feed my RES with Aquadene Turtle Pallet ... is it ok feeding RES with pallet more then kangkung? it seem my RES eat only little kangkung and sawi.
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Its not ok, please reduce the pellet intake and introduce more vege to them especially kangkung and sawi.

QUOTE(blazin_fir3 @ Mar 12 2008, 05:42 PM)
If i'm not wrong..sum1 posted be4 (most prob uzairi or Samperth) that pellets tend to make them grow faster than normal therefore shortening their lifespan and natural greens are the best. But let the pros confirm tat 4 ya..
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Yes you are right, aside from that pellets contains a lot of protein and that would make the shell flat and soft.

QUOTE(Skatila @ Mar 12 2008, 08:02 PM)
can i keep my ST under uv light(UVA & UVB) all the time?except the the time that i put them under sunlight la..
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Nope, not recommended. It is best to simulate the natural light.

QUOTE(inexsis @ Mar 12 2008, 08:07 PM)
put under uva & uvb for only 8-10 hours daily only.....direct sunlight around 30mins to 1 hour(3-4 times per week)
<<<sumone taught this to me...my beloved friends  wub.gif

any fruits that are dangerous or not good for star tortoise ??
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Fruits are not recommended to be given to ST.

QUOTE(Skatila @ Mar 13 2008, 01:00 AM)
wonder what will happens if put it bawah uva n uvb for 24-7 .... tq for the info nways  smile.gif  .... if i'm not mistaken, i read sumwhere that said any fruits is not good for the tort... give it as appetizer is ok, especialy when they are to lazy to eat... they go crazy for red fruit such as strawberry and papayas...  smile.gif
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ST should not be fed with strawberry, papayas or bananas. Fruits are only to be given to tropical species. Please take note.
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QUOTE(uzairi @ Mar 13 2008, 01:56 AM)
ST should not be fed with strawberry, papayas or bananas. Fruits are only to be given to tropical species. Please take note.
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then after vege...what else they can consume ? unsure.gif
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They are not recommended to be given any fruits because of the high level sugar content of the said fruits.

For me i only fed fruits to tropical species chelonians.
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then after vege...what else they can consume ?  unsure.gif
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Just give your ST veges & pallets should be enough lah... For so long, i feed my ST with Sawi, Salad, Butternut Squash, Eggplant, Endive, Long Bean, Bendi, Kacang Buncis, Pumkin, Chicory Green, Watercress, Hibiscus flower & leaves rolleyes.gif

For Butternut Squash, Eggplant, Endive & Chicory Green, you can find it at TESCO while Watercress at PASAR... Sometimes TESCO also have too. Normally CHINESE people buy to make soup. If not mistaken, the Chinese named for Watercress is SAK YANG CHOY. Buy RM1 can get alots smile.gif

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Pumpkin is a good dewormer, i feed them once a month. About hibiscus flower and leaves they get to eat it when i go back to my hometown or i find any of those beside of the road tongue.gif
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hu huh uhu ...... 7 leopard with me...LOL

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hu huh uhu ...... 7 leopard with me...LOL
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wow... shocking.gif ....dats rich...
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QUOTE(lessilly @ Mar 13 2008, 03:06 PM)
hu huh uhu ...... 7 leopard with me...LOL
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Make sure they are not UNDER your bed rclxs0.gif
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post Mar 13 2008, 08:14 PM

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@les: until when those 7 will be with u? brows.gif
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post Mar 13 2008, 08:23 PM

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SEVEN!!! Share pics with us! How do you house them?
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post Mar 13 2008, 09:19 PM

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QUOTE(mamba @ Mar 13 2008, 08:14 PM)
@les: until when those 7 will be with u?  brows.gif
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wahahahha
only 2 will b with me...rest will go to their respective owner.LOL!
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post Mar 13 2008, 09:28 PM

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QUOTE(inexsis @ Mar 11 2008, 05:38 PM)
when they became aggresif..that's mean, its too hot for them...sumtimes they will poo a lot n pee too when too hot n try too find shelter...
u can go to natuaral aquatic ss19, pets lover center sunway pyramid.....they both got repti glo.....i recommend natural aquatic...bit cheaper then other pet shop(not all items)....


Added on March 11, 2008, 6:02 pmtomatoes is good for tortoise rite ?
i want to introduced them tomatoes for dinner tonite~~~~ bon appetite~~~~ brows.gif
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I think it is MORE GOOD for you! rclxms.gif rclxm9.gif Try some Alfalfa hay, that may stir he appetite... blush.gif


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QUOTE(lessilly @ Mar 13 2008, 03:06 PM)
hu huh uhu ...... 7 leopard with me...LOL
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Ow... Definately need to show us photos! drool.gif

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post Mar 13 2008, 11:55 PM

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QUOTE(lessilly @ Mar 13 2008, 09:19 PM)
wahahahha
only 2 will b with me...rest will go to their respective owner.LOL!
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haha... boarding ker? tongue.gif


Added on March 14, 2008, 12:02 am[quote=lessilly,Mar 13 2008, 03:06 PM]
hu huh uhu ...... 7 leopard with me...LOL
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peh,kayonyo..anok sapo ni..

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post Mar 14 2008, 01:10 AM

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QUOTE(Chinchillas @ Mar 13 2008, 09:28 PM)
I think it is MORE GOOD for you! rclxms.gif  rclxm9.gif  Try some Alfalfa hay, that may stir he appetite... blush.gif


Added on March 13, 2008, 9:28 pm

Ow... Definately need to show us photos! drool.gif
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Alfafa hay is not recommended for them imho, try timothy hay. smile.gif
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post Mar 14 2008, 01:28 AM

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QUOTE(uzairi @ Mar 14 2008, 01:10 AM)
Alfafa hay is not recommended for them imho, try timothy hay.  smile.gif
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whats the different between alfafa and timothy?
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QUOTE(uzairi @ Mar 14 2008, 02:10 AM)
Alfafa hay is not recommended for them imho, try timothy hay.  smile.gif
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Not really my friend !!!

Depends on what you want out of them for your animals
- one has a higher protein , calcium content when compared to the other ie. Alfafa Hay

- the other has a higher fiber content but lower of the other 2 when compared ie Timothy Hay
Refer to above pic for more details


Added on March 14, 2008, 6:21 am
QUOTE(Skatila @ Mar 14 2008, 02:28 AM)
whats the different between alfafa and timothy?
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Timothy can be kept short to be laid as lawn in people's house !!!

While Alfafa will grow very tall and deep rooted and only good to be harvested as fresh fodder for grazing animals or dried to become hay

But both are good source of fiber no doubt !!!!

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Hi,

Im new here,been lurking around for quite awhile now.
Does anyone know whats the best food for spider tortoise?And is it safe to put it together with star tortoises?

Thanks.
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QUOTE(shellmaster86 @ Mar 14 2008, 09:41 AM)
Hi,

  Im new here,been lurking around for quite awhile now.
  Does anyone know whats the best food for spider tortoise?And is it safe to put it together with star tortoises?

Thanks.
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Best not as Spider are very shy animals and stress easily especially if the Star are bigger than them !! Beside they require a higher humidity to do well ie.70 % and Star may get sick from that level of humidity !!

Food wise they like fruits better but do offer them green to varied the diet ( some insect once in a while will be good as they are forrest dweller after all ) Mushroom are also consumed !!!


My 2 sen anyway !!
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post Mar 14 2008, 12:12 PM

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Sam, the image u post can't be seen >.< thx for inputs =)
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QUOTE(blazin_fir3 @ Mar 14 2008, 01:12 PM)
Sam, the image u post can't be seen >.< thx for inputs =)
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http://home.att.net/~horsenutrition101/hay.html

Image posted from the above link - Table 1
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post Mar 14 2008, 05:17 PM

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as i remember...TTT also need other source of vitamin that can be found on meat for example......
can anyone eloborate on that n what type of food that has that kind of vitamin we can feed them...example star tortoise.....
sumone in here said that they feed their TTT with dog biscuit to get that kind of vitamin.... unsure.gif unsure.gif
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post Mar 14 2008, 08:37 PM

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Alrite the pic can be seen now..thx
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post Mar 15 2008, 03:35 AM

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QUOTE(SAMPERTH @ Mar 14 2008, 06:14 AM)
user posted image

Not really my friend !!!

Depends on what you want out of them for your animals
- one has a higher protein , calcium content when compared to the other ie. Alfafa Hay

- the other has a higher fiber content but lower of the other 2 when compared ie Timothy Hay
Refer to above pic for more details


Added on March 14, 2008, 6:21 am
Timothy can be kept short to be laid as lawn in people's house !!!

While Alfafa will grow very tall and deep rooted and only good to be harvested as fresh fodder for grazing animals or dried to become hay

But both are good source of fiber no doubt !!!!
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Thanks for the info sam. I forgot what and why it is not recommended. Its not about the calcium or protein level but something else which i cant recall correctly. I will try to search around the article again and post it here.

QUOTE(inexsis @ Mar 14 2008, 05:17 PM)
as i remember...TTT also need other source of vitamin that can be found on meat for example......
can anyone eloborate on that n what type of food that has that kind of vitamin we can feed them...example star tortoise.....
sumone in here said that they feed their TTT with dog biscuit to get that kind of vitamin....  unsure.gif  unsure.gif
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Some people do give dog/cat biscuit to give the other vitamin trace but like 2 weeks once or monthly. This is because the biscuit contains high level of protein which is not good for ST especially.

To get the best vitamin and minerals we are advised to alternate the food and have more variety of vege to balance the pro and cons of each vege. Apart from that, do sprinkle some multivitamins on to their food to help give minerals and vitamins which cannot be taken from the vege.

One thing to take note, from my exp it is best to alternate the use of the calcium supplement and multivitamins from different make to balance out the minerals and vitamin intake.

My 0.05 cents biggrin.gif

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