SAM A different SAM from above reporting in LOL

You tot wrong My fren
On the international level the Radiated are even more endangered

The Indian Star are on CITES II but the Radiated are on the I list LOL

Mine like fowl more ( head ,neck , legs are cheap and easy to get )

And thats beside prawn and aquatic snail LOL

Live day old chick and rats are thrown in once in a while to let them have some live actions !!!

You sure about chelonia.net as they are up for sale now LOL

Anyway most of those website are western country or northern based ( almost non are tropical based ) thus their recomanded species are mostly low humidity tolerance one ie Sulcata , Leopard , Herman , Russian ...etc as their country has a lower average humidity than ours ( Malayisa)

Better to hear from ex-keeper speaking from experience who are locally based ( kept that species here in Malaysia ) !!!

Curious about which 12 species you are keeping ? Do you mind telling us ?
How big enclosure you giving them or you mixing certain species in one ?

Thanks in advance

Unless that Radiated are either CB fom parents with CITES paper or imported as CB with CITES paper ( legal way ) !!!

How I wish I was born pre-CITES period or befoe Malaysia signed as a CITES member .Then I can legalised all my CITES listed animals once Malaysia sign in as a member !!!

Many of our crocodiles and Arowana breeder / farm are form this way beside buying pogeny from existing farms who own them !!!

This post has been edited by SAMPERTH: Feb 3 2008, 01:49 PM

Just a correction on your statement "where the tortoise died cause too long under the hot sun" too long in the sun wont kill anything just that under direct sunlight with nowhere to go will kill it be it Tortoise or any living things !!!

Just povide a hide so that it can choose to hide away if it get too hot !!!

This post has been edited by SAMPERTH: Feb 5 2008, 11:40 AM

Nice link !! Enjoyed it a lot !!

Just for your information that the article was in MAY 2007 REPTILES magazine

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Added on February 5, 2008, 2:10 pmYou should have check them out early last year ( 2007 ) similar size specimen selling for around the RM 5 K mark only !!!

This post has been edited by SAMPERTH: Feb 5 2008, 02:10 PM

Many species available on display ( including dead one LOL)

Not one of the best place to see our beloved species ie chelonian suffer in dirty , small enclosure !!!

WC animals will always be cheaper especially local species ( Elongata can be found in Malaysia too ) !!!

Radiated are more expensive due to 2 other factors
- Demand as pets
- Listed on CITES I

Thanks and keep them up !! another me in the making !!!

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Added on February 10, 2008, 1:48 pmThey use to be based out of Johore !!!

This post has been edited by SAMPERTH: Feb 10 2008, 01:48 PM

I have too many to list but many not with me anymore after I moved to Australia !

Used to have more than 100 of them spaning over 20+ species !! Will start cllecting them when I move back Malaysia in a couple of years !!

This post has been edited by SAMPERTH: Feb 11 2008, 06:46 AM

- Change a different type of substrate ie. saw dust , wood chip , paper pellets

- Avoid water dish inside enclosure

- Use a bigger enclosure

- Use a dehumifier to decrease humidity

- Use a bigger wattage basking light ie. 120 W ,150 W or more ( place it higher or else temp will rise too high )

How high is the said humidity ? by the look at your setting - Paper pellets , basking light ..etc

Your enclosure's humidity wont get over 60 % I think , even on rainy days unless your tank is placed near an opened window ( cool air coming in ) !!

How rare are they ?? They have being " exported" out of their country by the thousand for so long !! And you can still see hatchlings being offered

Just go to Jalan Pasar - just a few months ago each store can be seen offering them by the tank-ful( few dozen a tank )





How exorbitant are the price
Hatchlings fetching RM 50 a pc retail ( less than USD 15)
3inch RM 100 a pc (USD 30 )

Why dont the article mention countries like USA, EU , JAPAN , Taiwan where Indian star are sold at USD 300 or more


So everyone of you in the forum come clean , which one of you guys / gals buy them to eat LOL

My thoughts when reading such articles ( regarding " endangered" wildlife written elsewhere , locally and with motives ) mostly contain makeup bull shit with only a small portion of facts

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Added on February 15, 2008, 5:28 am
5 k is very cheap compared these past months

5 k is end 2006 to early 2007 pricing !!!

How do you think these Yni come into our shores ( CB locally or CITES papered export ) after you posted so many articles regarding their " status" back home in Madagascar , you still intend to support this trade by wanting to get one ? ?

This post has been edited by SAMPERTH: Feb 15 2008, 06:08 PM

If I am you , and can afford it or them all I will buy no matter what As they are getting harder and harder to get unless more people are breeding them !!

Buying many with breeding them in mind , I am all in for that !!

But how many of their so call natural habitat still stand , may I ask ? Not many from what I understand !!

Some species like the Leopard , Sulcata , Red footed , Common snapper , alligator snappe ...etc are CB in other parts of the world and legally ( but some may not have arrived onto our shore legally )

While other species like the Indian Star , Spider , Yni , Pig-nose , Pancake are mostly of WC origin ( only few are bred in any number in captivity )

Thus ask the seller to show their import paper ( CITES , health cert from export country ...etc ) Not targeting or focusing does not mean its legal to do so ( sell , buy , own/keep ...etc )

Anyway unless you really trust your " visitor " , friends dont bring any to see your pets !!! I would rather bring one or two to shop or other place to show them !!!

Not really my friend !!!

Depends on what you want out of them for your animals
- one has a higher protein , calcium content when compared to the other ie. Alfafa Hay

- the other has a higher fiber content but lower of the other 2 when compared ie Timothy Hay
Refer to above pic for more details

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Added on March 14, 2008, 6:21 amTimothy can be kept short to be laid as lawn in people's house !!!

While Alfafa will grow very tall and deep rooted and only good to be harvested as fresh fodder for grazing animals or dried to become hay

But both are good source of fiber no doubt !!!!

This post has been edited by SAMPERTH: Mar 14 2008, 06:21 AM

Best not as Spider are very shy animals and stress easily especially if the Star are bigger than them !! Beside they require a higher humidity to do well ie.70 % and Star may get sick from that level of humidity !!

Food wise they like fruits better but do offer them green to varied the diet ( some insect once in a while will be good as they are forrest dweller after all ) Mushroom are also consumed !!!


My 2 sen anyway !!