The long await that phenom finally launched. Although cant over performance intel quad core, still is a good start.
Being priced slightly lower, phenom will be a cheaper quad core CPU to date.

Review:
Phenom, AMD790FX n HD3800 (aka spider) review

This post has been edited by Alexes: May 4 2008, 06:17 PM

Your URL not working dude.

Link should be this:

http://www.tomshardware.com/2007/11/19/the..._weaves_its_web

Thanks. New here.

And it's not even near the word king.... although it's a well-thought and ambitious design to roll out the spider platform.

price in malaysia?

wah .. waiting the benchmark our see if its beating core2 haha

1 die....... tri-core

nice idea........

This post has been edited by syazwanreno: Nov 19 2007, 08:46 PM

can u unlocked the fourth core??

Check the review. The results are very obvious d

-pWs-

thats what i want to know too LoL

Probably no. That core should be spoilt IIANM

-pWs-

The review already shows that Phenom X4 not able to beat QX9650

Yea....Even Q6600
Kinda sad

-pWs-

well..let see if they can win for price over ratio match

i think they are going for another market segment, budget concious customers who do not mind sacrificing a little performance for better value

Em... may be not. There're using old software to test new processor. Between AMD and Intel there already using new concept and new technology with different architecture to create their processor, may be old software are not included the new feature from new processor. AMD fans don't be so disappointed Why don't we wait the up-coming 3Dmark v2008 release and check the benchmark again ? Pls correct me if i'm wrong

Just my 8cents...Cheers

This post has been edited by Faint: Nov 19 2007, 09:20 PM

and down came the rain, and washed the spider off lol, phenom can't compete with intel's quad cores.

note neccesarily, for the value and mainstream consumers it is looking quite good though

the CnQ II looks very promising as well, if only the price segment is good

agreed. This the 1st phenom launched.

Aspected to c some more near future. For mainstream, AMD will be a better choice.

This post has been edited by Alexes: Nov 19 2007, 10:13 PM

if the price is around e6750 price then it will be selling like hot cake? maybe
the gap between intel amd become near a little bit only

Phenomenal failure is more like it.
Compare Phenom to a Penryn and the lead becomes even bigger.
Surprisingly a bug was discovered so late into production that they couldn't produce a stable 2.4 GHz model (some TLB thingy).

I'm waiting for X.E.D. to give his take...

kinda disappointed with the review result... miss the moment when amd athlon xp beat p4

waiting AMD back to throne

aiyo.. we dun wan price cheap then intel then slow then intel.. wad we wan is price exp abit then pawn intel haha

Problem here is Phenom is gonna carry AMD through next year. That means they are competing against Penryn, not current quads.

AMD should price this current range of chips much lower than it is now, if they wants to remain somewhat competitive. Penryn will be 45nm, cheaper fab and faster. I mean, they can't afford to wait around till intel cuts their price for them to start doing something about their own (AMD) price.

Of course there's a limit to how low the price can be before they goes into deficit. But I believe they can do better with the price.

maybe they release it at a lower clock juz so tat OC'ers can OC kaw kaw for tat price...? i don see any point of launching something so desperately tat can barely match conroe and going against Penryn... it's like seeing a kancil vs Skyline GTR 34 on a drag race... i can't even think about the gap...

The demo systems revealed that the phenom hardly overclock. It fails in that area too.

anyone check the sisandra memory benchmark of these phenom babes? it seems that it is slower than current K8. this is one of the main reason why phenom isnt phenomenal. The L3 cache is the culprit here, the latency is just so high that overall it might cancel out the advantage of having integrated memory controller.


"Phenom is much like the solemn relative, visiting during a time of great sorrow within the family" . quote from anandtech.

which translate into...less competitive CPU market for the next 3 years or more. . unless AMD can do something to remedy the slow memory bandwidth. But that was impossible unless a architecture update is being planned.

This post has been edited by sparrowed: Nov 20 2007, 12:37 AM

Still, the B2 revision need to be revised asap. For now, ppl using C2Q have no reason to "upgrade".

come on amd.. intel already gave 1600fsb proc to be tested..
i'm in the middle..

But my heart still with AMD..

hahaha! although phenom cannot win penryn but 4 mainstream users, this is definitely the best bang 4 the buck processor now.

Not true
Price too high

but the pricing 4 phenom between c2d e6750 and c2q q6600 wasnt that bad what

Truly a BIG BIG dissapointment from AMD!!!
They've been boasting their performance for like a year now.. What 40% better than Intel!! hahaha
I was thinking it could b better a little than the current Intel products on market.. gosh was I WRONG.
All empty gas from the AMD pretenders
Penryn is gonna smoke this Phenom(menon failure!)

oh. it is still ok for me as i dont need a proc that too high end.
but i really interested to know the OC ability.

after reading the benchmark tests and results, AMD poses a good fight, but ain't a winner over Intel yet, but i'm impressed with the performance they have produced with such tight budget.

I'll just wait for K10 Athlon X2 I guess.

no comparison with intel cpu?
not yet able to beat intel's quad

or atleast can bring down the intel processor price(s)

This post has been edited by gengstapo: Nov 20 2007, 12:34 PM

Phenom's a disappointment if u ask me.... Better wait for better ones to come out.... the 2.66GHz comes out later but dunno got improvements or not.... I guess it will be the same....

Price/Performance ratio is crap compared to both of the Intel's proc, even if it's cheaper. Which is suprising considering teh hype I've read about this proc. And I'm looking forward for Intel to slash down their price too...

Me too hope so as Penrynn ans Phenom launched.

I don't recall any of such claim. Link?

Quoted from page 10...

"Therefore, the Phenom processor does not require a new motherboard with Socket AM2+. The CPU will run in a socket AM2 board as well without any problems. In this case, the processor reverts to either Hypertransport 2.0 or 1.0, depending on the motherboard and operates completely normally. A BIOS update may be required, though. Even future processors manufactured on a 45 nm process and supporting DDR3 memory will run in socket AM2 and AM2+ boards. The 45 nm CPUs are slated for release in 2009 and will add support for socket AM3."
It's very interesting to know that AM3 will run in AM2 boards. This is a big plus for the AMD platform I guess.

http://www.amd.com/us-en/Corporate/Virtual...~117115,00.html

Yup, this really interest. Just like AM2 support AM2+

I thought that Phenom is going to replace Athlon in the future. So there will be Phenom X4 first to launch, then Phenom X3 (disable 1 core) and lastly Phenom X2. No?

Check this:



from this site.

the price place it squarely against Q6600, which the performance is about the same, roughly (Q6600 sometimes beats it but at a very small, not-practically-noticeable margin)

What AMD need to do is actually sell them cheaper than Q6600, and they need to do it fast because intel may cut Q6600 price when all the new 45nm processor is in the market.

If AMD waits for intel to cut their price, nobody is going to buy it. They have to bring their price down to be the cheapest quad core CPU, right now, so they will sort of like be a budget quad core and people will actually buys it. Those who looking to set up a budget quad core system will go for AMD. They have to do it now if they wants a share of the market

ever u guy wonder nvidia is creating chipset to support amd phenom using 7series chipset... on the other side nvidia is fighting with ATI for king of GFX

what to do.. nvidia pair with penryn also got problem.. need bios update..
atleast nvidia can create for budget line..

whutever~~
a bit dissappointment for amd, huge dissappointment for me, buying intel's...
~sigh~

If the pricing on Anandtech is correct, the 2.3Ghz is priced HIGHER than the Q6600 and performs a dismal 14% lower. The nearest challenger would be the unreleased 9900, and even that is projected to JUST match the Q6600

or maybe just wait for AMD Fusion

The price can be change after Phenom X4 launch, AMD will has their own business plans. What we should wonder are the price is cheap or expensive...

personally.. i think AMD is rather slow in term of product launching nowadays ... if AMD cannot compete ... then it gonna be reaalllly bad news for us as consumer

Seems that amd is banking on current amd platform users to upgrade to phenom. No reason for anyone (besides fanboyism) to get a phenom for a new pc. Thats not a good marketing strategy imo.

Dunno when will AMD beat Intel again???Really hope that AMD can come out best processor to beat Intel!!Waiting for that moment to come!!

they are having trouble rolling out the new chips. if im not wrong anand believes AMD will lower the Phenom prices. even if they cant afford to, they will.

At least Phenom has a strong point (although still cannot beat the current crop of Intel's offering C2E QX9650 and QX6850), which is in 3D rendering. The margin is not that much compared to Intel's proc. This is ideal for animators where they can build a reasonable priced PC for rendering without sacrificing much of performance.

Have to wait very loong. the Chipzilla has awoken after a kick by AMD with their AMD64. Intel is no longer the old sluggish company. They are restructuring themselves to be more efficient and pushing themselves to the limit to compete in this cut throat business.

The boom of the late 90's has made Intel proud n lazy n complacent but not now.

U think AMD is the first with integrated memory controller or CSI?? Intel have similar plans long time ago, just some bad management and foresight failed them.

Intel is now in the lead and they wont let go of it so easily now.

AMD now is tight, and I mean very tight on resources.

And they have to compete against two, independent giant, nVidia and Intel, both of them having bigger budget than AMD.

It's gonna be very tough...

I wonder if they had consider this situation when they decided to buy ATi. Without the merge, I think both company would be doing much better then they are now. ATi was very strong before they got pulled into this situation with AMD. I mean, their long term plan may be beneficial but for now, it seems like AMD doesn't have the budget for such thing yet. IMO, they aren't financially prepared for it.

This post has been edited by Hornet: Nov 20 2007, 06:32 PM

ATI wasnt pulled down by AMD. The suckage you saw in the R600 was not amd's fault in any way. They would have been pwned regardless.

i think phenom will be a better buy coz of its backward as well as future compatible platform. looking at intel roadmap...the next gen quad proc QX9770 wont be compatible with its X38 chipset. u'll hv to upgrade ur mobo to X48 to get this proc running. whereas phenom is compatible with 939, AM and AM+ platform....granted the performance is not on par with intel Q6600...but it presents the best value for money for those who wants to run quad processors on the budget...checkout tomshardware review of phenom on the links below...

tomshardware phenom


just offering my 2 cents...

im also seeking this baby benchmarks ... but seem in hardwarezone its show it more slowwer then core 2 quad with same speed

If I'm not mistaken, when AMD acquire ATi, they cut down on the number of staff. Of course I don't know how the distribute their R&D spendings all, but I guess had they both remained independent companies, they could each focus on their own GPU / CPU with their own resources.

@chimera

if u say phenom can fit to s939.. sure no complaints 1-2 years back..

ppl always compare which more faster...
but actually most everage users can't afford to buy them..
so by everage just pick which suit the needs..

Phenom is not compatible with socket 939.

Not too sure with AM2 but I read somewhere that with AM2, the CPU won't be able to individually throttle the speed and vcore of each individual core.....

hopefully d final retail price for it x4 is nearly with E6750 600-700 ... then i will consider wana 2 grab one o not.....

It cannot beat the Q6600 even tho it's price higher. If I want to buy a Quad Core now I'd take the Q6600 anytime looking at the priceIt works on an AM2 board, but really, while you can use it on that board it will severely limit the proc potential even more.

amd gonna bankrup soon, fast2 grab their product if you love them.
save amd.

seriously with higher price than q6600 but less performance than q6600, price cut is a must now.

yup... tomshardware has better thought of AMD
Anandtech's Phenom review
anandtech however, think phenom is all doom and gloom

it's hard to say amd or ati gonna bankrup.there still have money to build new one cpu,maybe k11 or k12.who know

AMD wont go bankrupt one. The OEM and ODM wont want to see a scenario where Intel is the only player on the market.
The worst is we see AMD being taken over by another investment group or large company.

AMD has been losing money for years before Athlon and AMD64 comes along

^ yea u' r prob right. two more failure in a row (k11 k12), now will kill them. but that prob wont happen (damn why am i talking bout this?)

but now really disappointed, waited for like a year for this thing.

the processor have been release ?? Cant find the price for amd phenom processor in pc shops yet...

I think that the target group for amd phenom x4 is a different market then anticipated, because i feel the target groups are mainstream instead of the niche extreme performance market.

The pricing and strategy of phenom x4 is reflecting what i see.

Ermm... IMO, AMD did their job well by introducing native quad core w several improvements.
Although the performance still lose to Intel, but AMD will have it own market.

-pWs-

@ bolded part

Because its david vs. goliath story mar hahaha... and Athlon was the kick to the nut sacks of intel

yah i am saving money for Amd phenom and going to upgrade my old faithful comp which is a Amd Sempron 2800 + that has been around since 2005 and still kick ass

^ well well well good for you. me? i'm still under great consideration to go intel. haih

Anadtech was miffed that they are trying to be too much like Intel when Intel is now going the AMD way. And also the fact that they feel the tahoe trip was a waste of money on AMD's part

Can I play crysis smoothly with this processor?

better go with Intel Processor.

My bro using E6550 core 2 duo with 8800 ultra can play smoothly.
ram 2gb
anything quad should be ok i guess

The AMD quad is not worth it you can read the full review here http://www.tomshardware.com/2007/11/19/the...weaves_its_web/

As it seems even an Intel E6550/E6600 can match its performance!!

Actually the processor has not much effect in Crysis. Maybe just 2-3 fps.

Even Phenom priced lower than smallest Q6600, the processor cannot even stable at 3GHz. New revision may solve this but it may be too late coz Penryn superior clocks.

how much for amd x4?

Should be around Q66 price

-pWs-

Not necessarily, i suspect the market they are targeting at is to be the mainstream, so next year Q1 2008, the price would be quite competitively priced against Intels offerings

They cut down a little, but not on the engineering side. And by the time AMD bought them, the R600 was pretty much done (and b0rked) already. So the failure has nothing to do with AMD buying them.


It cannot adjust the vcore and vNB independently. Speed adjustment still works. And the phenom cannot adjust the vcore of each core independently. All cores share a common voltage.


AMD taken over = intel can terminate their x86 license.
Yes they lost money, but never on this scale. It will take them years to make up for what they lost.

So meaning that if AMD was taken over, it would literally spell the end of AMD processors as we know it?

And does that also mean that intel does not want AMD to go bust as well?

Pls enlighten this noob, ikanayam

The x86 license agreement with intel has some clauses that say that intel can terminate the license if AMD goes bankrupt or gets bought over.

Deep down inside, intel wants AMD to go bust. Else they wouldn't be pushing as hard as they are now. Of course publicly they have to say they like competition and whatnot, but intel wants to be a monopoly, if possible. And i think they see TSMC as their main competition in the future, not AMD, because unless AMD pulls off another K8 within the next year or so, i don't think they will ever fully recover from this hit. In less than a year, i think they have lost more money than they have ever made in their entire existence (certainly more than they made the last 10 years).

Intel is evil,amd is trying everything they can to prevent them from monopoly

No, amd just wants to make money. They are not doing it for any other reason. Certainly there is no noble cause involved.

This post has been edited by ikanayam: Nov 21 2007, 03:22 AM