Phenom x3 and x4 now in Malaysia, The new K10
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  Nov 19 2007, 11:53 PM
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 maybe they release it at a lower clock juz so tat OC'ers can OC kaw kaw for tat price...? i don see any point of launching something so desperately tat can barely match conroe and going against Penryn... it's like seeing a kancil vs Skyline GTR 34 on a drag race... i can't even think about the gap... |
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Dec 19 2007, 01:40 AM
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QUOTE(X.E.D @ Dec 19 2007, 01:29 AM) Maybe if you actually knew how the dual memory controllers work, the option to use ganged or unganged modes, and the compromise between benchmark/real-world performance, you wouldn't spout such crap. so... u got any real world performance u wanna show wif ur X2...? i got bad enough exp wif X2 3800+ wif 4x512MB RAM on a MSI nforce 4 ultra chipset... lost to Celeron 430 on Intel 945chipset + 1GB RAM in term of software loading, networking speeds(file sharing and remote monitoring), etc... every real world performance also lost... but i partly blame it on MSI's crappy mobo...   My "hands on" exp as a technician proof tat Intel's core architechture outperformed AMD's X2... i also built PC's for CCTV monitoring systems... and Intel Celeron 430 on Intel 945 chipset is my best choice for best value/performance... and even reliability... This post has been edited by t3chn0m4nc3r: Dec 19 2007, 01:46 AM |
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Dec 19 2007, 09:39 PM
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QUOTE(X.E.D @ Dec 19 2007, 06:24 PM) The Phenoms are not like the X2s. They have 2 memory controllers (compared to 1). They can run in ganged mode or unganged mode. err... yeah... obviously Phenom has new architecture... i was juz thinking if AMD will execute their price war campaign to beat Intel on ur claim... real time performance is a better reference than designs and technologies(AMD proof tat point during the Athlon XP vs P4 battle wif AMD's victory)... and no end users will care bout how many controllers how much clocks n wat knot... direct performance comparison and benchmarking are wat determines the price diff between products regardless of brand and categories(even costs)... i'm not implying tat Phenon sux or wat knot... in fact i'm praying for them to beat the crap outta Intel's 455 so tat their prices will crumble and we shall benefit... One mode is faster in real-world, the other one is faster in benchmarks. I forgot which was which though. But yeah, making conclusions on single comparision numbers without descriptions = fail. My X2 works great on a 480X mobo, it's not the best OCing mobo though. For poor performance I'd blame your nForce 4 Ultra. Definitely the problem there, especially with Vista (but problems with XP too) nForce 5 is better (much better) on hard disks, and AMD's 790X is the "X38" of AMD chipsets, at P35 prices.   cuz in the end... i'm not buying the 1 wif the best performance... but i will buy the 1 which has better performance at a lower price...  tat's wat the majority of end users want...  and BTW... nForce4 is suppose to be equal to somewhere around Intel's 945 chipset rite...? and bout ur claim bout AMD790X = X38(performance wise) i don really think so for now...  This post has been edited by t3chn0m4nc3r: Dec 19 2007, 09:51 PM |
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Jan 4 2008, 07:35 PM
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QUOTE(timljh @ Dec 30 2007, 08:11 PM) .... u pay more for tat core performance as well as electricity for long term. for us maybe few bucks of electricity doesnt matter but try to think on the point of view for business, they can save a lot for electricity per month basis. not tat Intel Celeron can't fix tat problem...  performance per core Celeron also beat AMD Athlon...This post has been edited by t3chn0m4nc3r: Jan 4 2008, 07:36 PM |
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Jan 10 2008, 02:42 PM
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QUOTE(En.Vader @ Jan 10 2008, 01:18 AM) I dont think the unlock multiplier will burn your cpu if you use high number or max it, it will only affect the stability. Now here is where you adjust the voltage <-- the danger part. Still the possibility is there. i dunno bout AMDoverdrive but usually there are limitations of how far u can OC wif official software from hardware vedors... which only allow OC of around 10% increase... which is considered safe by the vendors... and also OC seem to be a trend these days and more and more noobs want to follow so AMD decided to use it as a gimmick... ever since ATIoverdrive... I dont have much knowledge in oc, but i think this is correct. Anyway even if AMD afraid of end users rma their cpu from oc fault, why do they even release the AMDoverdrive software that clearly a support for oc? |
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Jan 12 2008, 12:11 AM
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QUOTE(davidmak @ Jan 11 2008, 06:37 PM) Yeah, its really disappointing. I think AMD has been making strategic mistakes every step of the way. Seems like a perfect storm. The only reason Intel can be that strong is because of its manufacturing advantage it has over AMD. Thats a classic rule why strong companies with cash and manufacturing capability can outrun any competitive company and flood the market with competitive products. i would say technical mistakes.... AMD really woke up the sleeping giant. The element of surprise is lost and Intel shouldn't be asleep real soon until they get relaxed again. |
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